1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:49,439 Then the the the the the the the building, the the the the the 2 00:00:50,119 --> 00:01:46,719 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 3 00:01:47,400 --> 00:02:43,039 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 4 00:02:44,080 --> 00:03:23,639 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 5 00:03:28,360 --> 00:04:21,399 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 6 00:04:23,079 --> 00:05:25,079 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 7 00:05:28,040 --> 00:06:28,079 the the don't then the the the the the the the the the the the 8 00:06:43,439 --> 00:08:03,160 the the the the the the the the Oh ho ho, humble Pastor Man 9 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:11,360 is back in his cardigan, ready to enlighten you about what's really going on 10 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:20,639 in the world, and with all of our beloved YouTubers, I thought, 11 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,879 why not check in on all of our YouTube friends from the Roman Catholic world 12 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:39,080 and see what kind of wonderful, mind bending logical gymnastics are at work. 13 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,080 I'm talking about Olympic level mental gymnastics. We're going to have fun. We're 14 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,679 also going to check in on a couple of things that I forgot about that 15 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:56,519 I meant to discuss many live streams. Back was Cameron from Cucking Christianity, 16 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:05,440 I mean, Capturing Christianity. Interesting channel title why he converted to Roman Catholicism, 17 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,559 because you remember he made this video. And then we want to check 18 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:16,639 in on our good buddy Carbohydrate Lofton to see what his solid argumentation was. 19 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,240 We want to see what Trent Horne had to say about Oh Papa Frank and 20 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:31,279 what was happening, because I mean, for me, remember, aside from 21 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:37,279 Tim Gordon, that whole sphere has been nothing but sass a, right, 22 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,559 I mean, they've been nothing but vitriol, and now they're in a tail 23 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:52,360 spin because now they're don't go Orthodox, don't go Orthodox, and Trent's even 24 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:58,000 having to turn to Ben Shapiro to help prop up the boring Catholic Answers podcast. 25 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:11,919 Now I've noticed, but wait a minute, how are these channels growing 26 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:20,159 given the mountains of absurdity and ridiculous augmentation that we've seen from all of these 27 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:26,320 actors except for one, except for our buddy Tim, who is honest, 28 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,399 all of these other people, to put it in the words of the templar 29 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:41,720 in Indiana, Jones and the last crusade, you chose poorly, and now 30 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:48,399 you have to cope and deal with the poor choices that you made because a 31 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,120 lot of them literally thought that it was going to be a sufficient objection to 32 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,399 the stuff that I've said and the arguments that UBI and people in our sphere 33 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,240 have raised for so long, that it was just going to work to go 34 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:09,159 after people on a personal level and do all the backhanded nonsense that a lot 35 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,039 of people have figured out now right, And I wasn't worried about this ultimately, 36 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:20,679 because I know and have been vindicated and it's been born out that when 37 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,320 you go down this track of the course the Vatican is set on, it 38 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:31,120 will not correct. It will only get worse and worse, because I actually 39 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,120 know the forces and the powers that Francis is beholden to. And remember, 40 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:39,159 to these normy people that were going to be looking at tonight, except for 41 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:45,039 Tim, they're all complete normies. They have no idea what the new world. 42 00:11:45,039 --> 00:11:48,200 They don't even know that there is such a thing. They've actually commented 43 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,159 on it says that they still think it doesn't exist. You've got people who 44 00:11:52,240 --> 00:12:03,000 promoted all the stab stuff and they're even doing podcasting together. Right by the 45 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:09,000 way, Shout out to arch Angel Mike Angel, Archangel Michael Orthodox Church because 46 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:16,679 they sent me a cool cop. You can go to their website and support 47 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:22,919 them. I think they have for a long time been big supporters and fans 48 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,799 of the work that we do, so shout out to them. Don't worry. 49 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:35,679 I do have my cough jobs on hand, and Father Zacharia Lynch and 50 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,000 everybody at that church are big fans and supporters of the work we do, 51 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,559 and we like the We love the essays that Father Zacharia Lynch does. I 52 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:56,200 can't even type today, so I'll give you for those interested in the Colorado 53 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,600 region, if you're looking for an Orthodox church up there, you can support 54 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:05,679 them there. They probably have a building fund as well, and so there's 55 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:13,000 their church if you want to support them. One of the few people who 56 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:15,840 in the OCA, well, I wouldn't say a few. A lot of 57 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:20,879 the OCA does like what we do, but they actually underwent persecution for not 58 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:24,559 going along with the KOOF and for supporting the work that we do, and 59 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:31,480 they're still disliked. So I'll be sure and support them if you support the 60 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:37,360 work that we do. Times are pretty tough everywhere, So you know, 61 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,200 the point here is not to say that there's no problems in the Orthodox world 62 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,200 and therefore we're right and you're wrong. Because we don't have any problems. 63 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,279 The issue is what are the problems and are they problems of a systemic nature? 64 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:54,840 Now I strive over and over and over on this channel to constantly demonstrate 65 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:00,840 from the documents. We've got the documents, as Alex says, to prove 66 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:09,480 that Roman Catholic dogma has absolutely changed. Even though have you noticed of late 67 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:18,279 that the typical, the classical Roman Catholic arguments that you always hear, they've 68 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:22,360 been real quiet on those lately. Have you noticed that, remember the classic 69 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:28,679 argument that we always hear is well, we have the Pope to give us 70 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:39,480 doctrinal certitude. That's Michael Lofton's favorite argument. Interesting how that tagline, that 71 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,039 cliche. They've been real quiet on that one. They've been sitting on that 72 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,840 one. How come we're not hearing all the advantages of the papacy giving us 73 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:54,240 the certitude that we have, even though a person from an epistemology one on 74 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,639 one class could be able to tell you that that doesn't work as a consistent 75 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:05,000 argument, to say that this the papsy actually grants you epistemic certitude just moves 76 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:07,720 the problem back and stuff. How do I know him interpreting the papal documents 77 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:16,879 correctly, and hence why I brought up basic epistemological challenges to Trent Horn in 78 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,840 our debate, and he had no idea what we're talking about, didn't know 79 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:24,759 what circularity in terms of foundational critiques was all about. Totally flush or totally 80 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:33,240 lost. But I more and more realized that this whole domain of these people, 81 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:43,679 it's really just appealing to normies for just a low tier numbers operation. 82 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:50,799 I've been overthinking a lot of this, right, And you know, they 83 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,480 get freaked out. Remember when Matt Frat was doing a strange with Thumbnails where 84 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:02,039 he's crying, And that's because they're worried about losing their numbers and their audience, 85 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:07,080 their market share. And in fact, I would venture that a lot 86 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:18,840 of people's conversions might even relate to attempts to gain numbers, and that's why 87 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:26,720 they're immediately funneled into the neocon normy Roman Catholic world, which is not really 88 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:32,360 the tradcat world. Right. I would class Tim more so in the tradcat 89 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:38,679 world. But Tim has enough of a basis in Ariskitilian logic that he can 90 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:44,720 recognize flat out contradictions and be honest about it. So again, we appreciate 91 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:52,639 that, but the rest of these goofballs can't even do that. I mean, 92 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:57,600 they're not even able to do that. Remember when Michael often wanted to 93 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:02,559 do a debate, but he wanted to do written debate. Okay, Boomer, 94 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,000 Yeah, what what era is this? You want to do written debates 95 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:10,680 like two thousand and five, bloggosphere? Come on, man, So I'm 96 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,640 trying to convey to you guys, and I don't understand why you guys can't 97 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:19,079 see this, that this whole domain of the normy apologists is a kind of 98 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:25,279 a grift, right, And I get tired of people. This is overused 99 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,680 now, right, everybody calls everyone a grifter. But I mean it makes 100 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:36,920 perfect sense why Cameron would convert because it's a lot more a lot more numbers 101 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,319 in market share that you can get through these these angles, and you can 102 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:48,200 with evangelical idiocy on YouTube, right, So why not enter into the domain 103 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:55,680 of the mainstream popestplanners. So nice market share there, and it does look 104 00:17:55,839 --> 00:18:00,640 like these channels have grown, right, So Pines with Aquinas is up to 105 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:07,039 four hundred and seventy four thousand, Trent is up to one hundred and eleven, 106 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,559 So their channels are still growing, but have the argument's gotten any better? 107 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,839 And when I read the comments of what's underneath these channels, I'm not 108 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:30,400 surprised at just the overwhelming volume of just absolutely low tier sort of newbie normy 109 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:34,079 takes. Right. It's a lot of new people to you know, people 110 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,039 realizing, hey, something's wrong with the world, maybe there is a god. 111 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,279 What's the big churches? Oh, Roman Catholic, let's look at this, 112 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:45,160 And so they tumble down the rabbit hole of a bunch of these normy 113 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:55,960 apologists, these pop apologists. But have the pop apologists actually made good arguments? 114 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,000 Are they actually that good? Of course, the answer is no. 115 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:07,160 Their arguments are terrible. Their arguments are intentionally kept at a super low level 116 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:15,839 so that you don't go outside of their magic circle. And so they repeat 117 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:22,559 over and over and over very low tier arguments because that is enough to gain 118 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,880 a lot of numbers. So ironically, they're actually playing the evangelical game. 119 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:33,279 It's not surprising, right, they're playing the sort of megachurch model, except 120 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,480 now it's online, right, So the model of the megachurches used to be 121 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,319 like ten to fifteen years ago. Do whatever that brings the numbers in, 122 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:48,160 right, and it worked to grow megachurches as a business model into these gigantic 123 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,640 you know, rock concert arenas, you know, smoke a mirror and all 124 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,160 that stuff. But the problem is that they learned, as they did studies, 125 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,200 Pew research and all that back in the day, like ten years ago, 126 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,559 that even though the number the megachurches were bringing these giant numbers, they 127 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,359 had a very high turnover rate and they're actually losing as many people as they 128 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:21,799 were bringing in. And the average stay behind stay around rate was like some 129 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:29,000 minuscule percent, and the average length of time was something like two or three 130 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:34,799 weeks. So the megachurches would boast about having you know, like friends, 131 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:40,599 We've convuted over forty thousand people in the last month, and then a month 132 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:48,880 later, forty thousand people left. Right. So yeah, I'll get to 133 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:55,759 the challenges to debate here in a moment. Thank you for those super chats. 134 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:02,880 Appreciate that. So when it comes to the challenges to debate, well, 135 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,759 what I'm saying about the all right, gotta have my damn cough drop, 136 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,400 because I still got the vatakouf. I got the same throat aids from 137 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:26,759 Francis from being in Rome seven weeks ago. Francis gave me aids, give 138 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:32,599 me theological aids. I have already asked all of the people that you're asking 139 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,039 me to debate. Do you think I haven't asked all those people to debate? 140 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,559 Now here's the thing. The more that I've studied and gone down the 141 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:47,519 rabbit hole of the papacy and Vatican two, which is I began studying that 142 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,279 in two thousand and three, specifically, you know, Catholic theology and Catholic 143 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,720 dogmatics. I mean, we've got more than one entire shelf of Catholic dogmatic 144 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:02,359 works, not counting Church. I'm just talking about pure Catholic theology over here, 145 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:08,640 right. That eventually got me into geopolitics, I mean, not Catholic 146 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,279 theology, but the geopolitics of the Vatican, because that becomes more and more 147 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:17,039 of an issue as you get deeper into history, as you get deeper into 148 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,799 Church, you realize the Vatican becomes a world power, and that seems to 149 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:30,519 affect its approach to doctrine and theology. And if the Vatican is a world 150 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,319 power and it affects its theology, then we begin to see other explanations for 151 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:41,839 why the Vatican is doing what it's doing, and so what we eventually get 152 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:48,359 is different narrative accounts. So Trent would have a narrative account that the Vatican 153 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,759 the Papacy is an infallible, divine institution guided by the Holy Spirit, preserved 154 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:59,000 from error, and when I encounter difficulties, I can go into the documents 155 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:03,039 to try to make the system work. And here's my post planning example. 156 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,400 For me, I have a completely different narrative and account, and I don't 157 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:18,079 even I don't think there's anything at all supernatural about the Vatican anymore other than 158 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:25,839 it being essentially satanic connected to all kinds of organized crime. The Vatican, 159 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:32,680 bank scandals, the mafia, the CIA, all very well known public scandals. 160 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:38,440 People have been convicted over this, All the names are well known for 161 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:45,680 them. That plays no role in the practice of the Vatican and the Papacy 162 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:52,240 at all. They never mentioned it, and that's because they don't even know 163 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,160 about it. And I'm not talking about going down some conspiracy rabbit hole. 164 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,680 I'm talking about a line history. If you want to call in, I'll 165 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:11,759 open it up. You can call in right here on Twitter x right here, 166 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:18,240 and I'll open it up to people here in a moment. So that's 167 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:22,319 that's and I think that narrative actually makes perfect sense, and it makes perfect 168 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:30,240 sense why what Francis does actually echoes the same sentiments of the world economic for 169 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:33,440 him and Klaus Schwab and Davos. But remember Trent Horn doesn't even know about 170 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:37,279 that, or he tells you intentionally not to look at that because there aren't 171 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,000 conspiracies and it doesn't work and it doesn't matter. It's crazy. I mean, 172 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:45,839 if you remember Trent's initial critique was that I was the equivalent of a 173 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,000 chick trap. So remember to even talk about there being a new world order 174 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,960 and the papacy being involved, even though Francis openly says he supports Klaus Schwab, 175 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:07,559 that's the less vel of chick track. Now, I think that when 176 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,160 we had our debate, Trent saw that. No, actually, the level 177 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,839 of debate that we are doing here is not chick track level. We've read 178 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:21,079 through about sixty big fat tons of the global elite. Do you think Jack 179 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,880 Chick did that nothing to do with chick tracks? So again, all of 180 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:34,000 these people are literally relying on your ignorance and your low tier laziness to just 181 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:41,839 accept their copes and accept their here, allow me to creatively invent something to 182 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,119 make the system work. That's what they do. And anyone who goes beyond 183 00:25:47,799 --> 00:26:00,960 like baby tear stuff in theology or geopolitics, right uh, pretty soon moves 184 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,680 out of the sphere of these people. But these people know that in order 185 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,359 to capture a sizeable number of people and market share, they want to appeal 186 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:22,039 to the broadest normy neocon con inc crowd that they can. It shouldn't be 187 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:40,039 better if I do this. Mm hmm yep. I look at all the 188 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,079 lovely people. Do do do do? Do? Do? Do? Do 189 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:52,079 do? Look at all the lovely people. Okay, we should be back. 190 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,400 Hopefully it's got all. Hopefully it'll even out now we won't have the 191 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,119 interruptions. But I'll have to go back to the la inn here in a 192 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:15,119 moment. All right, Stream Health says is excellent. Well, that ended 193 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:22,960 my freaking. I'll have to open up another room if you guys want to 194 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,519 call in, because there were people in line to call in here, So 195 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:41,640 let me make another one of these. Has Catholic dogma changed? And it's 196 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:48,279 interesting that there is this interesting connection between Daily Wire individuals and the normy Novasorto 197 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,200 world, and they're all in a tailspin now trying to make all this work 198 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:02,400 right because we've been absolutely correct and everything that we said would happen. So 199 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:22,680 I started a new Twitter space here if people want to join. So the 200 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:30,799 new space is under the old space because the Internet went out. Of course, 201 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:32,839 it would go out when I'm trying to do this stream, right, 202 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:44,920 so you'll have to join underneath that stream. So let's see what Cameron's arguments 203 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:51,119 were. Cameron's arguments were why he left Evangelicalism for Roman Catholicism. And as 204 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,880 I was explaining before we had the issues there, Cameron said that initially, 205 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,559 if I recall, this is my memory of the events, right, Cameron 206 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:06,519 said, oh, Jay's wiping the floor with Matt Dilla Hunty, right, 207 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,960 and then later after the debate when we had the fallout with him and inspiring 208 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,240 philosophy, he switches to actually, Matt Dilla Hunty mopped the floor with Jay. 209 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,680 So this is a guy that says that Matt Dilla Hunty mopped the floor 210 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,079 with me in that debate. That loads here, right, So just a 211 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:30,640 seething, passive, aggressive emo sort of character. I would say grifter man, 212 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,119 right, because the same he also pushed the stabbs on you all. 213 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,279 Has he said sorry for that, by the way, has any of you 214 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:41,480 have you any of these people said they're sorry for doing that, by the 215 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:48,039 way, And remember I'm bad because I talked about conspiracies and told you about 216 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,720 that, right. But all of these people pushed all this normy stuff, 217 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,160 and their army of normy still pushes all the same normy stuff. So I 218 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:03,200 can only imagine that these are bad faith actors, or grifters, or just 219 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:12,400 completely ignorant. But soon after that, a year ago or so, Cameron 220 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,599 became a Catholic. Now I wonder, are any of these people doubting their 221 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:26,720 decisions? Remember how bad though, Remember how awful? And they're all of 222 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,839 your argumentation was about me as a person, nothing to do with argumentation, 223 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:37,039 nothing to do with the theology. Remember when Matt fred said that he'd be 224 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:40,759 open to inviting Ubi Petris on his channel and then ghosted him. Of course 225 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,559 he wasn't gonna have Uby on his channel. Why did he say he would 226 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,880 never have me on a channel? He just said, because I'm an evil, 227 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,359 bad person or something. Why because I get heated in debates, and 228 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:56,640 then he says to people coming on his channel, feel free to get heated 229 00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:03,079 and debate as much as you want. So again, it's all just hypocrisy. 230 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:15,400 And so this goof is with this ridiculous like five year old haircut. 231 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,480 I mean like literally like haircuts that were popular like what like actually like seven 232 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:32,079 years ago, right, this diplo spencer cut. Let's hear why we're supposed 233 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,519 to be Roman Catholic. Now, if I remember in this video and I 234 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:41,079 just forgot to ever cover it, if I remember his his argent, he 235 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:48,839 ran an algorithm or something in some sort of a calculator that told him that 236 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,559 it was highly unlikely that. I mean, let's see what he said. 237 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,640 If he used this stupid calculator argument, that I could say, okay, 238 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:32,480 yeah, here's this piece of data. Here's this piece of data. I 239 00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:38,480 created what I call a Bayesian like analysis of all of the evidence born against 240 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:45,680 the papacy, and so I use the Bayesian framework because I think, yes, 241 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,279 I know, I had to click the stupid thing to make the sound 242 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,279 come on for you. So he had just said, yes, it is 243 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:59,240 an algorithm based on Bayesian analysis. So he came, right, we're supposed 244 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,640 to believe that he's like I guess, I guess we're supposed to think, 245 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,039 Oh, he's a genius mathematician, and so he's going to prove the papacy 246 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:12,640 with mathematics. Uh huh, what's the Bayesian analysis of butt stuff? Can 247 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,359 you get? Can we get a Bayesian analysis from Cameron about the legitimacy of 248 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:22,000 blessings of butt stuff or or not variety? Right? And so the fact 249 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,319 that he was impressed with that, and then you assigned what points to each 250 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,319 line of evidence against So what I did was I created what I call a 251 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,839 Bayesian like analysis of all of the evidence born against the papacy. And so 252 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,039 I use the Bayesian framework because I think that it's a more formal way of 253 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,960 doing Like, I mean, is this not like the ultimate sort of Sperg 254 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,039 approach? Right? I mean, maybe they're just trying to appeal to Internet 255 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:52,279 spurgs with this argument. I'm gonna put all of the pieces of evidence into 256 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:59,400 a spreadsheet. We'll call this the quick Books Cameron's quick Books analysis. Remember 257 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,680 quick books for the papacy, Right, Cameron's quick Books argument for the papacy. 258 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:07,160 I'll put put all of the arguments into a spreadsheet. How do we 259 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,679 even know you're putting good arguments in there? I'll link the spreadsheet below. 260 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,360 You could go through it and deduct the mathematical quantification of the argument. This 261 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:22,800 is ridiculous, a Bayesian spreadsheet argument for the papacy. You can't make this 262 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,320 up. This probably has what thirty one thousand views? At least it's not 263 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,480 three hundred thousand views because this is utterly ridiculous. Everyday probabilistic calculations that you 264 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:37,679 do in your own like in your head, Yeah, everyday probabilistic calculations that 265 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,880 we do in our head. I mean, do you sit around doing everyday 266 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:49,800 probabilistic Bayesian calculations in your head? Did you ever consider that that might be 267 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480 an argument for the papacy? But how is an argument for the butt stuff? 268 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,039 That's that's what we want to know next, right, And I'm sure 269 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:59,679 we're going to get some amazing explanations as to how it doesn't mean what it 270 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,599 says it means in paragraph arety one, Right, you're like, Okay, 271 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:06,440 how likely is this happens? And you'll say, oh, it's really likely. 272 00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:08,079 That might be some you know, some example that you would just come 273 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:12,880 up with but in invasion terms, like what you'll do is you'll assign a 274 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,119 figure to that probability, and so you can be a little bit more precise 275 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,519 in seeing like, Okay, well, how much of an effect probabilistically, 276 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:28,960 but what's the probability of the ding dong touching the other ding dong in the 277 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,199 Roman Catholic blessing services? Right, what's that probability? I would say it's 278 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:39,159 ninety eight point nine percent probability abut stuff. But again I just Cameron, 279 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,559 did you figure in that into your equations? Please let me know, as 280 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,800 opposed to just going on the sort of more informal Okay, this is some 281 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,760 evidence, here's some evidence, here's some evidence. Here's a lot of evidence. 282 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,880 There's a lot of evidence. But then you know, but then you 283 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,199 don't really know at the end of that how it all combines. How many 284 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,239 lines of evidence did you have full and against the Papa seed? Roughly, 285 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,559 there weren't a lot for the papacy. There was the biblical there were the 286 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:07,159 biblical arguments I see, and there's a lot of Protestant objections, there's a 287 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:15,159 lot of what so there aren't a lot of arguments for the papacy except for 288 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,360 the biblical arguments, of which there are none, at least the Vatican One. 289 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,480 Papacy is nowhere in the Bible. There is the successor to Peter via 290 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:30,320 having the keys argument, which is an orthodox argument. Sure, but a 291 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,800 Bayesian spreadsheet that now it's getting ridiculous, and I actually think this is a 292 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,719 bunch of actual just total bs flim flam. He put into his Bayesian spreadsheet 293 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,000 mostly anti Catholic arguments and he still comes out of this. I mean, 294 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,000 I smell total grifter here. Counting in love, I probably had like four 295 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,280 for the papacy and about fifteen against the papacy. And it seems to me 296 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,599 that what's interesting about this analysis is that rather than going on you will kind 297 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:07,760 of intuition, you actually don't know what the evidence is going to show you 298 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,559 because you're going through the one by one and signing a number. This is 299 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,440 who would fall for this? Let's say, I gotta see these comments. 300 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:24,039 If people actually think that this would be a good argument, This is a 301 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:30,840 brave man. Are you serious? Who in the who did Cameron ever actually 302 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,360 debate? I asked to debate this, dude, I mean I immediately wanted 303 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,880 to debate this dude when he had a falling out with me, and all 304 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,519 he did was post all the DMS, trying to make me look like a 305 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:45,320 bad man, right, which is what they do. Which if I actually 306 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,519 was a bad man in the DMS, I don't care, right, because 307 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,239 I'll post a DM if you're talking a bunch of bull crap to me. 308 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,280 Sure, But what happened was they wanted me to not I kid you not. 309 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,639 They wanted me to have a debate but not say anything mean. And 310 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,920 I'm like, I'm not gonna subject my free speech to your arbitrary deciding. 311 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,760 I don't know what you think is mean, because debates include rhetoric, and 312 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,920 if I utilize rhetoric, which is a central part of debate, I'm not 313 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:22,559 gonna submit to your evangelical arbitrary that's mean. It's not pious. So I 314 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:24,880 said, no, the debate was already agreed upon. You introduced a new 315 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,880 criteria that I cannot be mean in the debate, which is just ridiculous. 316 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,840 And I said no, I wouldn't concede to that because we had already agreed 317 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719 on the debate terms. And then he said, oh, well, then 318 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,039 there won't be a debate and I'm gonna leak all the dms and make you 319 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,559 look bad. Okay, Yeah, good job dude. Right, So I 320 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,960 guess it kind of worked in that people still think that I'm mean because I 321 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:57,760 wouldn't agree to their arbitrary decisions to not be mean. I mean, do 322 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,159 you guys understand what this is? The crap that I deal with? And 323 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,639 then it's like, dude, come on, just do the damn debate. 324 00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:09,719 We've already agreed to it now ironically inspiring philosophy, and I already made up, 325 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,719 and we don't care about this anymore, right, so we let this 326 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,920 go. H haven't heard from this guy, don't expect to. Don't care 327 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:27,400 anyway. But the ignorance of these commenters. Roger says, this is a 328 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:32,840 brave man who never failed to debate any Catholic. What solid Orthodox person did 329 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:43,920 he ever debate? And is nobody in the question the comments here even remotely 330 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:49,880 questioning his Baysian algorithm for the papacy that he just made up. I mean, 331 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,800 this is ridiculous. Yeah, here's at least one solid commenter here, 332 00:39:55,199 --> 00:40:04,000 both sides as if orthodox he doesn't exist exactly. But look, Orthodoxy isn't 333 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,400 necessarily going to give you a big market share. So did anybody consider that 334 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,239 that might have had something to do with his decision? Right? I mean 335 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:20,559 these comments are just ridiculous. As ridiculous says that the quick Books argument for 336 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,320 the papacy. All right, I got to hear more of this. This 337 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,679 is gold. I didn't even I forgot about this, this this whole thing 338 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,960 here. I'm glad I went back to this. Right now, he's going 339 00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:36,400 to have to have a Gayzian argument for the papacy. Thank you. Shout 340 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,239 out to William in the chat. Right, because we need to know the 341 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,159 probability. What was the probability in twenty when was this a year ago, 342 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:52,280 twenty twenty two of the legitimacy of butt stuff back then? Well, I 343 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:58,079 would say it's ninety eight percent, right according to the Gayzean algorithm. Yeah. 344 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,320 And so what I did at the beginning was I wanted to be charitable 345 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,599 to both sides. Again, I'm trying to fight my bias, so I'm 346 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,280 trying to be charitable to the Catholics. I'm also trying to be charitable to 347 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,000 the Protestants. And so what I would do is I would assign a charitable 348 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,639 oh, he assigned a charitable number. So this is like utilitarian calculus, 349 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,880 right, where this is like Jeremy Bentham's argument for the papacy, right, 350 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,400 which actually works. I could see Jeremy Bentham making an argument for the papacy 351 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,920 because Jeremy Bentham was an outright ped oh right, So Jeremy Bentham would have 352 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,280 made a great Jeremy Jeremy Bentham should have been the pope, I mean, 353 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:42,039 being an open ped oh right, we get a straight up Pedosian analysis, 354 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:49,719 right to go to go to to to Rome. Are they sitting up on 355 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,840 a on a balcony outside of Saint Peter's This is ridiculous. So again I'm 356 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,119 glad that it's charitable, and I'm glad that he assigned the charity number to 357 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,360 the various arguments. Yes, you heard him right, he assigned charitable numbers 358 00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:12,239 too. What's the charito is that like a seven or a six or maybe 359 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,400 a six six six, Maybe that's the most charitable number that we coubscribe to 360 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,800 the papal arguments? Right, I mean this is this is Jeremy Bentham's moral 361 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:29,719 calculus argument from Cameron Bertutez of the pieces of data, and you're like, 362 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,320 Okay, well, yeah, how likely is this? Like let's give the 363 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,199 Protestants something here, and so we'll give him a little like this is a 364 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,760 little bit of evidence against the papacy. I can't really stay this a whole 365 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,800 lot, but this is still being charitable and so, but what you can 366 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,199 do with the with the Protestant case is you can by the way, I 367 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,760 forgot, I just remembered. This is the guy who hates the transcendental argument, 368 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,239 by the way, which I think is literally just too high IQ for 369 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,599 him to get. He just doesn't get it, and that's part of the 370 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,639 reason. It makes him mad, and that's why that's the real reason that 371 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:07,000 he insists that I totally lost the debate that Matt Dilhundy wiped the floor with 372 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:12,039 me, according to Cameron, And I think it's because he just can't get 373 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,920 TAG. He doesn't get it and no idea what it is. And so 374 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:21,000 you're getting the most ridiculous evidentialist argument I've ever heard for anything in the religious 375 00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:28,559 world. I mean, Jeremy Bentham's moral calculus argument is dumb and completely like 376 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:36,360 Internet spurg coomer Man level stuff. But in a naturalistic, atheistic universe, 377 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,760 I can at least see why Kumerman Bentham would make that kind of an argument 378 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,199 if that's the universe that he lives in, and we're all just machines determined 379 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:50,840 by this giant, you know, mechanistic universe. We're all in this in 380 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:58,440 the machine. Welcome my son to the machine. But to make this argument 381 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,719 in some evidential us stack up the arguments in an algorithm for the papacy is 382 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:09,239 so dumb. This is preposterous. So no wonder kimra Bertozi would never debate 383 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,679 anything. I asked this guy multiple times. Okay, you think I'm dumb, 384 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:16,199 You think Matt del Honey wiped the floor with me. How about you 385 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,880 come on and we'll have a debate. Oh you're mean. I don't have 386 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,320 to. I got an excuse your mean, So remember the excuses he's me. 387 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:32,159 Meanwhile, he's got a quick books argument for the bay. They've got 388 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:36,559 the dedicay, They've got these different documents, these early church documents where you 389 00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:42,960 don't see, like why is Matt Fratt smoking a cigar on top of a 390 00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:50,280 in front of the Vatican? Are we supposed to think that like I can 391 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:57,679 be some like some sort of like Australian James Bond in Rome. He's like 392 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,039 he's trying to do pull a Daniel Craig, Like when Daniel Craig goes to 393 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:07,159 the Vatican. It's trying to be like the Aussie James Bond home Hero and 394 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:14,159 a mission for Francis to make sure the world accepts the quick books. Gaysy 395 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:19,599 in argument for the Papacy. By the way, he sounds like he sounds 396 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:23,440 like the guy who sells you ship in Resident Evil. Hey there, stranger, 397 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:30,320 want to buy a little bit of butt stuff. Welcome to Vatican City, 398 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,039 stranger. You might need some pendance to ward off the Setanic Evil and 399 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:40,039 say the Vatican got a news, got some items for sale, stranger. 400 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,159 Literally the dude that I was just talking to in Resident Evil, all right, 401 00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:50,920 that's Matt frad laid out and specific names and everything. And so they'll 402 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,000 say this is a document, we would expect to find the papacy in this, 403 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:58,400 in this early, this early document, and so and then. But 404 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:00,320 there are obviously Catholics who want to respond to that, like Jimmy Aikan and 405 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,159 be like, well, no, there's actually reason to suspect that they wouldn't 406 00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:10,000 have named specific names in the early Church because does Jimmy Aiken respond to that 407 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,039 while he's doing his Star Wars streams? Or is it after the Star Wars 408 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,440 stream? So, because I can't, I can't remember who like as an 409 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:23,639 actual like Star Wars? Soy man right? Jay Dyer is worldly? Johnny 410 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,840 g would you like to come on the chat and debate? So again, 411 00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,800 I sense I sense a Roman Catholic in the chat. Since a Roman Catholic 412 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,880 in the chat? Now, if I did a Star Wars stream, it 413 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,400 would be to make fun of it. It would not be because it's cool. 414 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:43,960 Resident Evil actually is cool, though, who would have ever thought that 415 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:49,480 Resident Evil would be more based in Chad one day than Star Wars would be? 416 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,880 And yet here we are. If you remember when Resident Evil five came 417 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:59,840 out, they were already trying to cancel it because they said it was Resident 418 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:06,280 Pepi fit. Anyway, Hey Jamie, could you make me a coffee? 419 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,400 I don't know if you heard me or not. Uh, you have a 420 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:19,119 gift for impressions, Thank you. I did impressions for my entire high school, 421 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,519 my senior year. I think I do have somewhat of a gift. 422 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:29,760 Maybe one day'll be really good. Anyway, this is too funny, go, 423 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,280 this is better. This is more comical than I ever dreamt of. 424 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,320 Why is being persecuted? So you're not going to just spell out all the 425 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,159 names of the most important figures in your religion so that people can just read 426 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,719 the letter and then go hunt them down and kill them. And so there's 427 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,559 there's reasonable responses to that, But nevertheless, I was still being charitable to 428 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,519 the Protestants and giving it some weight of evidence against You would think if you 429 00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:00,920 have around fifteen arguments against the papacy and only four, yeah, favor of 430 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,320 the papacy, that it's going to be hard for the papacy to come out 431 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,360 on top unless those four arguments are very strong. Yeah. So there's there's 432 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:14,400 really three passages in the New Testament that are sort of relevant to the papacy 433 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,119 in terms of like giving some positive boost to it, which is Matthew sixteen, 434 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,039 John twenty one, and Luke twenty two. And you if you look 435 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:30,440 at the interesting So I like the admission there that there's really only three passages 436 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:37,960 that we build this entire edifice on and allow me to explain via intense isid 437 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:42,199 Jesus we don't know what isaid Jesus is. That's where you read back into 438 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,039 a passage something that was never there initially or in the minds of the author 439 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:53,000 is said Jesus. Is very common when people like to bolster a new doctrine 440 00:48:55,159 --> 00:49:01,000 via mining the passages for something that was never there than creatively constructing an argument. 441 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,400 For example, allow me to start out. Let's say I started a 442 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:17,599 cult, right, and my cult was centered around the idea that instead of 443 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:25,199 having a male patriarchal tyrant, or even a female run things, the fairest 444 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,360 type of governance should be kids. Kids rule, kid order. Dude, 445 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:37,039 shout out hashtag kids rule. Now, why would I want kids to rule? 446 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:44,760 Because there's a passage in Isaiah it says a child shall lead them. 447 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:52,360 Clearly, that's talking about the true head of the church should be a teen 448 00:49:52,519 --> 00:50:01,559 dude, teen pope, thank you. I mean the passage says a child 449 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,960 shall lead them, the pope is the leader. Clearly, that's saying we 450 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,920 need a kid pope. By the way, a teen pope would be better 451 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,639 than Francis. I mean, let's bring in Pope Jeoffrey. Put Pope Jeoffrey 452 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,280 up in there, he'd be better than Francis. Dude, Geoffrey isn't even 453 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,239 as Geoffrey wouldn't be making people, you know, sign on to the boute 454 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:30,639 stuff. But the passage says that a child shall leave them, and all 455 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,679 the passages are about the Pope. Isaiah twenty two. The Steward, the 456 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,440 Steward, the Steward of Gondor. He's a symbol of the Pope for Gondoor. 457 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:50,920 Right, Remember seeing Bean, Remember Sean Bean, the Steward of Gondor 458 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000 basically is the Pope him over there, right, But he's over there suckling 459 00:50:54,079 --> 00:51:00,480 on them berries with meat giblets running down his face. But hell, I'd 460 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:07,039 rather have the Steward of Gondor as the Pope than Francis. Who would y'all 461 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:16,239 rather have the Steward of Gondor or Geoffrey either want to be better than Francis 462 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,639 because neither one of them and they were corrupt, but they didn't make anybody 463 00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:32,519 do butt stuff for Gondor. Fu girdle. Right. If the Steward of 464 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:39,360 Gondor was pope, then you'd have a Borimir over there, who's Geoffrey. 465 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:45,159 People don't know who Geoffrey is, right, you'd have Sean being over there 466 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:51,400 going fu girdle. Come on, now, that was pretty good jokes. 467 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:55,480 That was all right? Right, let's three. I mean I think being 468 00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:59,159 charitable you can say, okay, this does give a little bit of weight 469 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:06,320 to Is this a buzzword that him and Lofton all just decided to suddenly hammer 470 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,519 everybody with being charitable while being charitable? Being charitable, being charitable, being 471 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:15,079 charitile, church charitable, charitable? Is this this thing to beat people's heads 472 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:22,079 over with as some sort of lame like one time over blanket excuse for everything? 473 00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,039 Right? What do you even mean being charitable? I mean, I 474 00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:29,280 know what the word means, but what do you mean? Because I feel 475 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:36,159 like it's getting over used here? Right, yeah, exactly what legit would 476 00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:40,119 have a hard time choosing between Francis or Pope denethor or Pope Geoffrey, Like 477 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,800 you could go either way. This is why I spent so much time posting 478 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:50,320 on this one piece of data. Or it's just a ridiculous grift argument that 479 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,679 you thought would dupe a lot of dummies into thinking that you had a mathematical 480 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:59,559 Bayesian proof of the papacy. I mean, who actually believe did you? 481 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:08,519 Guys who believed this a Baysian spreadsheet argument for the PAP I mean, is 482 00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:15,800 this due truble? Maybe he's troubling. Maybe Cameron is actually super based Baisdian. 483 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,159 I'm gonna give you a Baisdian spreadsheet right now from Quick Books as to 484 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:29,480 how this argument is tarted, a Basian spreadsheet for the PAP. I remember 485 00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,599 what I remember when I saw this video a year ago, I was like, 486 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,000 is that real? And I totally forgot about it. I'm so glad 487 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,679 I remembered this thing. This is a This is a gem, dude. 488 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,440 I want to remind y'all because we've got a bunch of young boys in the 489 00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:52,800 chat. We got a bunch of young boys. Does this even exist anymore? 490 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:59,159 Didn't Bill Gates put this on everybody's computer back in the day. I 491 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,199 want to see an and here we go. Check this out. This is 492 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,920 what we're talking about right here, Yes, really quick, especially not those 493 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,000 crap for those that don't know. And you want to would you like to 494 00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:16,880 construct your own Baysian argument for the papacy. Allow me to show you Quick 495 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:24,480 Books. Just install Windows XP or whatever they had in nineteen ninety seven. 496 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,559 What if we have in nineteen ninety seven. I don't remember. So for 497 00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:37,159 those that don't know, here's Windows Quick Books nineteen ninety seven. Bad yours 498 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:43,719 is okay o that quick Books to County software from the makers of Quickens. 499 00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,320 I called a total free number and got a free trial version. My system 500 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,880 works fine for me, That's what I thought. But if you have bills 501 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,400 to pay a customers who owe your money, you really ought to try this. 502 00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:59,440 Yeah, Or if you have apologetic work that's super lazy and dumb and 503 00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:07,559 grifty and like kind of a joke, you can also use quick books like 504 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:24,320 Number or a religion that would like to easily make dumb people convinced. I 505 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,920 think Vatican City is more door. So what are you'all talking about? Right? 506 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,800 More door or back door? Y'all tearing it up in the chat. 507 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,639 It's on fire tonight. This is the quick book. This is the Pope 508 00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:45,119 Francis edition. Right here, you get a you get a remember remember in 509 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,599 Microsoft word that little clippy, right, you get a little you get a 510 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:53,159 little a little dollar sign with a with a papal with a pope hat that 511 00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:59,559 pops up helps you out on on Pope books. Now quick books, what 512 00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:02,000 do we want to call it? Trying to think of the right word Microsoft, 513 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:09,039 Microsoft Pope Splaner, Microsoft Pope Splainer. By the way, you could 514 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:15,840 literally write a program for this crap, the Microsoft Pope Splaner program like quick 515 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:23,119 Books. Type in your problem and it will spit out a Gaysian algorithm based 516 00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:32,719 on camera member twos these calculations and you'll never lose an argument. Yeah, 517 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,599 but does it do the Vatican banks payroll? Because that funds a lot of 518 00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:42,920 organized crime and money laundering and weapons trades. Remember how it came out that 519 00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:47,360 all the weapons sales that were being funneled to Vatican bank accounts. So does 520 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,880 quick Books work with the Vatican Bank or is that a separate private bank? 521 00:56:53,199 --> 00:57:01,320 So that's probably that's probably off the records right to report that you control. 522 00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:13,280 I'm so every Roman Catholic pop apologist should I don't over here and get quick 523 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:19,079 Books because Cameron solved the I mean, who knew you thought you had to 524 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:23,000 do all this boring as apologetic work, read all these books. You only 525 00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:30,480 needed one book Quick Books. The typological there's there's all sorts of names for 526 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:35,280 it, but the typological Eliakhan argument, you call it something like that. 527 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,360 But there's a connection, there's a textual illusion. Ah, you see three 528 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,880 passages that have nothing to do with Batican one. And now let's move to 529 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:52,679 the Eliakim type of logical argument of the steward of gondor right is somehow equal 530 00:57:52,800 --> 00:58:00,360 to the quisa the God Emperor on Earth. I'm gonna remind you what this 531 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,960 doctrine actually was in history, because all of these goobers don't even talk about 532 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,639 it, and they don't even know. Like, I can't stress to you 533 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:15,559 how low tier normy pop apologetics for the Roman Catholic world actually is. And 534 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,280 I know because I was in it, and I did it for a while 535 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:25,519 when I was dumb, before I learned about quick books. I'm gonna show 536 00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:30,159 you another change that nobody ever talks about except over here on this show. 537 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:37,079 No one talks about one of the biggest changes that, by the way, 538 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,760 was backed up in part via the stupid is of Jesus. Of what he's 539 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:49,400 talking about, the steward Eliah Kim is Christ. First of all, it's 540 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:55,199 not a worldly office of Peter that mirrors a worldly steward in the Old Testament 541 00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:01,400 kingdom. I mean, they're literally like owing back in time to Old Testament 542 00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:07,480 relations to try to make the papacy into the equivalent of an earthly high priest, 543 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,679 which would be a version of judaizing heresy. It's just so stupid. 544 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,880 I mean by this type of argument, everyone in the Old Testament who is 545 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,920 the leader of anything is now a type of the pope. You see how 546 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,760 stupid this is. Now, let's get creative with our isogesis. Oh, 547 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,199 well, we had some female judges, didn't we, In the Book of 548 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:43,679 Judges. I think a name is Deborah. Oh to quote back, remember 549 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,519 Deborah. Why Deborah was a type of the pope. You see, she 550 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:52,639 was a head of Israel. The New Testament needs a living, earthly head. 551 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,559 The pope should be woman. Oh but wait a minute, that's a 552 00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,599 violation of paper code. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh really 553 01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:07,360 is it? You mean, like how blessing unions was a violation. Oh 554 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,639 but that's changed. But it didn't. But nothing changed, ain't it? 555 01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:16,679 Damn thing changed? All? Ain't nothing changed? All yo doesn't change? 556 01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:20,320 Why doesn't he? He should have a rap song about that, right, 557 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,679 loft dog dn't change, dog under durn ding change. By the way, 558 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,719 we're gonna we had an awesome clip of Michael Lofton lying, So we'll play 559 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,480 that just in a second. How many times did I tell you these guys 560 01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:39,880 were just complete goobers. Number One, they're actually not that smart. The 561 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,199 lack of the reason they're not debating with me has nothing to do with me 562 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,480 being mean. And by the way, all of these people, except for 563 01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:57,039 Tim, are totally passive, aggressive and totally cunning and shifty in the background, 564 01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:01,119 so they present you this pious case the face, and in the background, 565 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:07,599 they're not pious. These people are ridiculous. Now, maybe Trent does. 566 01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:10,519 I don't know Trent so, but the rest of these goons are goons, 567 01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:20,280 and we're seeing that they're goons because I'm not waiting. It's about Jay's 568 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,360 being we I'm not wasted. I'm wasted. This is normal me, dude, 569 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,519 I'm not wasted. I did take chalk today, so if I'm ramped 570 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:30,679 up, it's because of chalk. But I'm not wasted. In fact, 571 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,320 I'm never wasted. I do not I never ever drink. I know people 572 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,480 are surprised when they hear that I had one glass of wine for the first 573 01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:45,480 time in five years when we met the Italian Strotzy Joccardini family, the nobility, 574 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,199 and I did that because they have a winery and I don't want to 575 01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:53,440 be rude and not drink their wine. But Jamie can tell you that I 576 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:58,559 hate alcohol and I don't drink, and I quit drinking. We're coming up 577 01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:01,039 close to a decade, dude, Like we're getting up towards a decade. 578 01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:08,199 I just I don't like alcohol. I quit liking it, like almost seven 579 01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:10,960 eight years ago. Just woke up and I was like, you know, 580 01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:14,400 this sucks. I don't like it anymore. And by the way, I 581 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,000 drank enough of my twenties anyway. And every time I tell this story, 582 01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:21,480 they're like, you were an alcoholic. We got him exposed. I think 583 01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:25,119 I could have become an alcoholic if I had constantly kept drinking. But no, 584 01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:28,639 I wasn't an alcoholic. I never went to AA or any of this 585 01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,599 stuff. I just one day woke up and said, you know what, 586 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,960 I don't get much work done when I drink, and it's not fun anymore. 587 01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:37,760 Once you get to about age thirty, you can't drink like it you 588 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,480 did when you're in your twenties, and you wake up feeling like crap and 589 01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,679 you're you feel like garbage for three days in a row. It's like, 590 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:51,440 all right, I'm done drinking. And then by age thirty. Anyway, 591 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,679 all your friends are married and have kids and they don't go out to bars 592 01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:58,079 anyway, So you're just gonna drink it home alone. That's that's freaking losory 593 01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:05,440 dude. Anyway, we gotta get back to Cameron. This is too good. 594 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,480 This is by the way, thank you for the super chat, so 595 01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,199 much appreciated. Uh, we're gonna get to Trent and we're gonna get to 596 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:21,679 loft Dog and is that it? Oh there was a Scott Han clip here, 597 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:29,840 so I think Cameron. Yeah, it gives me heartburn too. By 598 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,639 the way, when I quit drinking, all my ascid reflux in a way, 599 01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:36,360 so people are always complaining about acid reflux. Oh cool, gooble, 600 01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:39,800 gonna take all these pills, gonna take zero tech and blah blah blah, 601 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:45,840 but taking all these alien planet name I gotta take zero tech from the planet 602 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,719 play at eight. Why are you taking alien name pills? Dude? You 603 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,199 want a big secret. Stop eating cake and drinking alcohol and you won't get 604 01:03:52,480 --> 01:04:01,559 acid reflux anymore. Revelation. All right, this is too good. This 605 01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:11,599 is comedy gold. And by the way, if somebody would actually like to 606 01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:15,320 see a complete deconstruction of this dumb argument from Isaiah twenty two of eliak Him 607 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,199 as if it's a proof of the papacy. There was the classic debate on 608 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:27,239 Suan's channel with ubi Uh and I don't remember who he debated. Maybe it 609 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:34,079 was it was Suan. W wasn't it the new Eliah? And the funniest 610 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:39,639 thing about this debate, I'm not kidding if you go, if you really 611 01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:45,880 want to go watch it is that Suan ends up going into Uh quoting elements 612 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:51,800 of the Talmud to prove how Jews viewed Eliakim and the I mean, so 613 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,360 I love that. I mean, let's go to the Talmud to prove the 614 01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:04,440 earthly temporals premacy power of the papacy exactly again demonstrating that the real essence of 615 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:15,119 the papacy is a step back into Old Testament methodology and ideology when what Jesus 616 01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:18,159 was setting up was not an earthly power in kingdom. That does not mean, 617 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,159 you guys know, I'm not a Baptist, right, I'm not some 618 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:29,760 kind of goofball that thinks that the state has no role. The dual headed 619 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:36,559 eagle is the role. Okay, the dual headed eagle doesn't fit anywhere into 620 01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:43,480 the papacy, because if the pope is the church and state, then it's 621 01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:54,079 a single headed eagle, not a dual headed eagle. But everybody knows that 622 01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:57,719 the classic image and symbol of the Church from the Patristic Byzantine period is a 623 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:03,719 dual headed eagle. I'm not lit. I don't know what you're talking on 624 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,679 chocolate. If you're talking about lit, I'm on chalk. I'm not on 625 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,800 any drugs. I ain't lit. And it's a textual allusion back to this 626 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,239 Old Testament character alike him. And so the argument goes is that Peter that's 627 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:24,280 mentioned in Matthew sixteen nineteen is the fulfillment of alake Him. So he is 628 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:29,760 the new aliak Him. He's the type that's the typological. Interesting you notice 629 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,000 that for the first thousand years of the Church, as far as I'm aware, 630 01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:39,280 Isaiah twenty two is never used as a Vatican one style proof of the 631 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:45,320 papacy. Naturally, it would only become in a creative exigesi or isigesis after 632 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,719 the Gregorian reforms. After the eleventh century when we get the papal revolution. 633 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:56,559 Shocker, right, You think any church father exegted Isaiah twenty two has a 634 01:06:56,639 --> 01:07:02,880 proved that the pope has not just universal jurisdiction, but also that he has 635 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,920 temporal supremacy. And I'm gonna show you that that's where the doctrine goes. 636 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:15,400 Because none of these people ever talk about the dogma. The audio of what 637 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:21,400 is too low. I'm my audio is too lower his. Let's see if 638 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:28,159 I can turn cameraon up any turn it up, bring the noise. All 639 01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:30,400 right, we got cameraon up as far as he'll go. Let's see if 640 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,960 that helps. Let's see if we can try one more thing to make it 641 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:41,480 even. That's about as loud as we can get it. So let's see. 642 01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:46,840 Because they don't talk about the fact that the temporal supremacy of the pope 643 01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:57,199 became a dogmatic definition that was necessary for salvation, you see. And I'm 644 01:07:57,199 --> 01:08:04,000 gonna have to freaking turn the dang internet. I'm gonna have to turn the 645 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:14,480 dang WiFi on because the battery is running down. I'm to grab another cough 646 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:21,159 drop and to remind you to smash that like button. Support the show via 647 01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:27,840 super chat function if you have a question, comment topic, feel free to 648 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:33,319 bring it up. I was inspired today, Yes, a literally, I 649 01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:38,199 have the vaticouf. Some id said, are you sick? I've had Vatican 650 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:44,000 cough since I was at the Vatican seven weeks ago where I was smoking cigars 651 01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:51,239 on the balconies of the Vatican. Psich I would turn down smoking cigars on 652 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:58,039 the balcony bat it actually sounds like somebody that's actually sounds like something Skittles, 653 01:08:58,119 --> 01:09:01,359 Rainbow meet up. Let's smoke some cigars on the balcony of the Votic and 654 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:06,319 if you know what I mean, it's a big fabulous all right, let's 655 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:11,239 get back to the Bayesian proof of the papacies. Oh, this was about 656 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:15,159 real Isaiah twenty two Eli, I can it's fulfilled in Christ has nothing to 657 01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:21,560 do with a temporal papal ruler, the Old Testament character the New Testament character. 658 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,800 And what you did then is you see that the office of the Old 659 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,079 Testament office is going to be very similar in all sorts of ways to the 660 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:31,840 New Testament office. Not in every way. Obviously, there's going to be 661 01:09:32,119 --> 01:09:38,680 because the Jesus' kingdom was greater than David's kingdom. There's going to be greater 662 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:44,319 properties that are going to exist in the anti type, the type that you 663 01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,840 see the fulfillment that you see in the New Testament. So it's not going 664 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,399 to be a one to one correspondence between the two, but you're nevertheless going 665 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,319 to see some correspondences. Now you might think, well, now, wait 666 01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:58,399 a minute. Surely when we object to this and point out that this is 667 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,159 creative is to Jesus and nobody in the New Testament thought of Isaiah twenty two 668 01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:09,000 as a reference to a temporal papacy with universal supremacy and jurisdiction and all scope 669 01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:13,319 and the Quisa's Hotterock doctrine. Surely right, the universe is super being. 670 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,600 Right, Surely they have a response to that. What do you think the 671 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:26,399 response is high IQ, beloved audience, and I'm not trolling my audience, 672 01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,880 actually is high IQ. We don't fall for these dumb quick books arguments for 673 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:39,039 the papacy. What do you think the response is doctrinal development? Ah, 674 01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:47,199 yes, the great umbrella uber mention argument. Right. Well, you see 675 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:54,479 it wasn't necessarily immediate there in Isaiah twenty two or in the Patristic exegesis for 676 01:10:54,560 --> 01:11:00,199 the first thousand years it's a doctrine that developed where we learned the seeds coming 677 01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:05,079 to full fruition of the papacy to become the temporal ruler. And how exactly 678 01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:11,960 was the temporal authority of the pope backed up for many many centuries? Oh, 679 01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:16,640 the forgeries? Exactly were the forgeries also seed doctrines contained in Isaiah twenty 680 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,479 two. Well, you see there's a development, and then it takes time 681 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:27,159 to weed out the bad Oh okay, interesting, So it's taken time to 682 01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:30,560 weed out the bad arguments and the bad reasoning as to why it's wrong to 683 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:38,640 bless skittles unions. You see, you see that doctrinal development is the same 684 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:49,880 basis for moral development. Dummies, what properties the life had? Then it 685 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:56,079 was very close to the papal office. And so then the question is does 686 01:11:56,159 --> 01:12:00,199 that really transfer over? Does that office transfer over to Peter? And so 687 01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:04,000 I was not convinced about this argument for a while. But what I saw 688 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,800 so even he knew this was a stupid argument, right, But what was 689 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,840 the thing that changed his mind on this Isaiah twenty two argument? I gotta 690 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:20,000 hear this was that if this argument is true, And again I was trying 691 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:26,640 to be charitable to both sides. If this argument is true, it is 692 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:32,760 so unlikely that Protestantism or Orthodoxy is true. Again, this is the distinctive 693 01:12:33,079 --> 01:12:40,319 doctrine, is the papacy. And so basically it's like, now, wait 694 01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:44,560 a minute. This started out as a quick books Bayesian argument of some sort 695 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,079 of algorithm, some sort of Suss algorithm that he came up with, and 696 01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:57,079 now he's decided that Isaiah twenty two is the lynchpin of all arguments. This 697 01:12:57,359 --> 01:13:03,760 is the lynch pin. Again. Please go watch uh Ubi's debate with Sewan 698 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,239 Suna on this stupid ass argument. This is so dumb. I can't believe 699 01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:15,520 that people think this is the clincher for the papacy. I mean, how 700 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,520 are people how are people falling for this? I'm trying to figure it out. 701 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:23,199 I do remember the first time that I heard this argument back in maybe 702 01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,840 two thousand and five. I think I heard it from its front. It 703 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,880 was in the Butler, Dolgren and Hass book, which is a popular Roman 704 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,039 Cawolic apologetics book, Peter and the Keys or whatever. I got it over 705 01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:40,119 here, and I remember thinking, interesting, that's a fascinating argument. That 706 01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:44,920 is an interesting take. But I was not very well studied in the Book 707 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:49,880 of Isaiah at the time, nor was I really good in New Testament theology 708 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:59,279 either, So I have to think that this could only be a convincing argument 709 01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:03,840 to really low tier, low information voters. That's all. That's all all 710 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:09,880 I can think here, because I mean, in Suan's case, it took 711 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:16,279 him going to the Talmut and digging up ridiculous out of nowhere Jewish tradition, 712 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:21,680 exegesis isa Jesus inventing stuff about Isaiah twenty two, and they're, you know, 713 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:26,800 the high priest or something, I mean, just crazy stuff that would 714 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:38,920 have nothing to do with the practice of the church obviously. And he's got 715 01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:44,960 these people like qualities with his office being the new alike him. How likely 716 01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:50,720 is that on the papacy seems pretty likely. So interestingly, he just stated 717 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,560 the thing that was in question. So you've got Peter who's got these papal 718 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,399 like things in the office. That's what he said. That's not me making 719 01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,119 fun of him. You've got Peter that's got these papal like things of the 720 01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:09,399 office. Let's hear this beautiful, eloquent, wonderful statement again. And so 721 01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:14,680 basically it's like if he's got Peter, he's got these people like qualities. 722 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,880 If you've got Peter, he's got these paple like qualities. Well that's the 723 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:25,600 thing in question, Cameron. So you notice that it's not surprising by the 724 01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,600 way that this is also the guy that can't get tagged. He doesn't he 725 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:34,359 can't understand tag literally, and so he doesn't understand that. Your presupposition is 726 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:40,640 that Peter equals Vatican One, and that's not what's been demonstrated. I guarantee 727 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:45,079 you, I guarantee you one percent that this guy hasn't read Vatican One, 728 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,479 much less any of the other councils. With his office being the new Elia 729 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:56,520 Him, how likely is that on the papacy seems pretty likely. Is no 730 01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,079 one going to talk about how eliak him is a type of Christ. The 731 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:04,479 very office and the statements of a like him, and what he does is 732 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:09,720 the thing that Christ has. So in the liac and passage it does state 733 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,800 that he's the he will open and close right as the steward of the House 734 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:25,600 of David. And remember when we had the debate with a certain Catholic and 735 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,479 the Book of Revelation came up, and the quote where it says I have 736 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,479 the keys of Death and Hades, and this certain Catholic person said, that's 737 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:39,399 Peter, when it's Jesus talking to the seven churches. Do you notice the 738 01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:45,159 pattern there of type and fulfillment type anti type things that are typically referred to 739 01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:51,560 as fulfilled in Christ and in his ministry the person of Christ are transferred consistently 740 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:57,520 from Roman Catholics to the Pope. Now, to be fair, we would 741 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:03,159 agree that you could say that every bishop and every priest in a way also 742 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:13,359 represents the Father and represents Christ. It doesn't follow from that that that becomes 743 01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:20,520 then a retroactive proof of Vatican Ones claims that should be so obvious in their 744 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:30,039 own church. In the Alexandria document admits this even more forcefully than the Chi 745 01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:36,359 eighty document. But of course they haven't read that, because this is all 746 01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:43,880 relying on little information voters who haven't read the documents and don't know what all 747 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,039 this stuff actually says. We did a whole live stream going through the entirety 748 01:17:47,119 --> 01:18:01,560 of the Alexandria document. Do you even know what that is? That's where 749 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:12,720 they admit all of our positions again again under a papally approved commission me David 750 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:18,560 and snacky right here. We put the whole thing on the screen for you 751 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:26,279 because you're all lazy and won't read it. Roman Catholics and every Roman remember 752 01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:32,199 when this came out, what six months ago? I posted this? I 753 01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,199 sent this to every Roman Catholic I could think of. Do you know what 754 01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:43,800 I got in response? Silence? Silence, absolute silence. No one responded. 755 01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:49,119 Remember that trad cap mom that would call into the streams and talk for 756 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:57,039 an hour she said, oh uh, I'll watch this later. Silence. 757 01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,359 By the way, have any of the Roman Catholic apologists commented on the Alexandria 758 01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:10,479 document? How come? Where's the Pope's planning on the Alexander Dark? Now? 759 01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:14,640 Maybe they have, because I don't watch these gebers. But if they 760 01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,960 have, feel free to enlighten me and put it in the Chat or something. 761 01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:23,319 Maybe we can go watch it. But I mean, here's the Papal 762 01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:28,439 Commission admitting about ninety percent of the Orthodox complaints and arguments. And guess what 763 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:35,960 if that's true, then Vatican One's not true. Fred says, I've watched 764 01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,439 a lot of you, and I find you hard to follow. We'll ask 765 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:48,039 a question, what is hard to follow? I? Mean, how many 766 01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:53,800 are how difficult is it to understand that? Unam Sankdam says that you have 767 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,920 to believe in the temporal supremacy of the Pope to be saved, And now 768 01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:02,000 that's no longer Roman Cathlic dogma post Vatican two. The Pope took off the 769 01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:04,439 triple tr Do you know what that is? Do you know why he took 770 01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:10,000 the triple tr off? To signify that he no longer cares about supposedly temporal 771 01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:17,640 supremacy. The triple crown symbolized that, and Roman Catholics no longer confess that 772 01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,800 post Vatican two. So that's a thing that was necessary for salvation in when 773 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:27,760 I'm sunktum, But you don't have to believe anymore. Do you want an 774 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:34,319 easier example? How about Urban the second calling a crusade versus. Now you 775 01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:39,640 can go and pray in the mosques with the Muslims. How about that? 776 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,039 Is that clear enough for you? Do? Do people not have any discernment 777 01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:46,199 to understand that you can't as a Christian go pray in mosques towards Mecca? 778 01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:54,119 Do you not know this? What kind of Christianity? What do you even 779 01:20:54,119 --> 01:21:02,880 think this religion is? And do you understand that the trad pope Benedict did 780 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:11,960 the exact same thing, And do you know the pulpsplanners never tell you this 781 01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:17,439 because there is no explanation for this except that it's just simply an apostate religion 782 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:25,439 that's a tool of geopolitical power. But remember there's no a thing as a 783 01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:29,760 new World order, so that doesn't exist. So problem solved. I mean, 784 01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:39,039 why are you falling for these people? Oh it's a liberal publication. 785 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,760 Oh so it didn't happen because it's a liberal publication. You can go find 786 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:49,159 it in a thousand publications. You can't as a Christian pray in a mosque 787 01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:56,920 because it's a public sign of defecting from the Christian faith in Roman Catholic theology, 788 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,840 it's that moral theology tells you that. Does this not make it clear 789 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:08,399 for you that that's a different religion? Is this the same religion that Urban 790 01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:15,680 the second believed, that called for a crusade against the godless infidel Turks? 791 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:30,279 Is building an Abrahamic faith center the same religion. And it's not just francis 792 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:36,560 what that frenchs? No, you mean Benedict? You mean, like right 793 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:47,960 here, trad based trad Benedig going praying in the moss towards Mecca. He 794 01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:59,119 just praying silently to Jesus. That's called casusedrie consused tree. That means that 795 01:22:59,239 --> 01:23:08,119 you justify obvious moral infractions with Pube's blaming and Roman Catholics are notorious for this. 796 01:23:11,159 --> 01:23:15,279 This is a surrendering of the religion because it signifies by the action that 797 01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:23,359 you are giving credence to blessing, just like their skittles blessings. You're blessing. 798 01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:31,239 You're affirming that Mecca is a site of God and that the mosque genuinely 799 01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:38,159 worships and has a connection to God. And that is not Christian teaching. 800 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:45,800 Islam is an aryan anti christ religion. They completely reject the deity of Christ 801 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:53,000 and the Trinity, and that everyone knows this. Is that clear enough for 802 01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:56,680 you? Is that clear enough to signify that this is a different religion. 803 01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:02,760 So we had one tried cat the other day saying that, oh, it's 804 01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:09,600 not a change, because it's a change in practice about how we operate with 805 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:15,119 Muslims. No, No, you understand. You can't go and worship publicly 806 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:25,840 with other religions in your own theology. You can't build a Brahmic faith center 807 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:33,119 together with Muslims and Jews, unless you actually do have a false religion that 808 01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:39,159 is the same God of Muslims and Jews, which is essentially not the Trinity. 809 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:45,000 So actually it is more honest for Francis allah Vatican two's natural theology to 810 01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:48,119 build an Islamic faith center and a Jewish faith center together with his Vatican two 811 01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:53,159 faith. That is more honest. And they do worship the same Little g 812 01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:58,960 God together, which is not the Trinity. So all of you in communion 813 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,720 with Francis are partaking of that spirit, and that is a spirit of delusion, 814 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,399 and it's odd again. Yeah, exactly why does this even need to 815 01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:16,199 be explained to a person who persons who profess to be Christians? M h, 816 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:29,119 what are the what are the what are they saying about? Do the 817 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:35,199 do the Catholic apologists even talk about this? I mean, are they not 818 01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:45,439 telling you that this exists? I mean, so here it is. Oops, 819 01:25:47,279 --> 01:25:55,159 we're not playing London grammar. So I remember, according to Trent Horne, 820 01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:59,640 this should be absolutely okay. What's wrong with because we have in common, 821 01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,199 suppose with Muslims and Jews, the worship of one generic God, that's 822 01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:08,880 natural theology. So there's nothing wrong with an Abrahamic faith center, because as 823 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,920 Vatican two says, we share the same God as the Muslims and the Jews, 824 01:26:13,319 --> 01:26:16,800 even though they're not Tranitarian, so we don't. But I mean, 825 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:26,399 Trent shouldn't have a problem with this. Maybe he doesn't loten all these idiots. 826 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:56,319 So here they are all at this Masonic looking ceremony, and they're bringing 827 01:26:56,359 --> 01:27:00,399 their cubes of light, which is all very ominous here, bizarre ominous thing. 828 01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:09,720 And this came about from Francis's joint declaration with the Grand Emam. For 829 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,399 you Pope's planners out there that are ignorant and trying to say Pullridges have known 830 01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,359 to do with this. It comes from his document. Of course, he 831 01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:23,720 has something to do with this. And have you all forgotten this? Did 832 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,479 you forget Pacha Mama? Did you forget the Amazons and on? Did you 833 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:34,279 forget all these Francis' greatest hits. But remember, the papacy provides certainty, 834 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:43,399 epistemic certainty, doctrinal clarity, moral support and guarding of and maintenance of tradition. 835 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:49,600 Remember that's what the tradcats and the Pope's planners and all these Roman Catholics 836 01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:55,359 have been saying for years. Oh, but they've been pretty quiet on that 837 01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:00,800 one, haven't they remember they were quiet on this And they're not using this 838 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,840 trump card of the papacy making everything clear anymore, are they? How come? 839 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:12,760 How come? Well, because nothing changed? Ain't nothing changed? Oh? 840 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,800 If nothing changed, then why did Francis have to issue a new document? 841 01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:21,319 And how come the they're all going wild with it with their schedule stuff. 842 01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:27,960 Nothing changed because the document says in one paragraph nothing changed. Oh yeah, 843 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,399 that's called double speak. That's called a contradiction, as even doctor Ed 844 01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:39,000 Fazer pointed out about the document. So wait a minute. I thought Francis's 845 01:28:39,119 --> 01:28:42,920 documents make things clear and they're the final court of appeal. But no, 846 01:28:43,079 --> 01:28:46,880 no, you need all the pop Catholic apologists to interpret the interpretation of the 847 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:54,439 interpretation. What would Francis do without Michael Lofton to interpret the papal documents? 848 01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:02,640 Yeah? Right, you have to interpret the magisterium. But wait a minute. 849 01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:10,159 The Magistarium was supposed to be the final court of appeals. Why do 850 01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:15,439 I need Michael Lofton all these papal apologists If the Magistarium is the final court 851 01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,399 of a view, why do we need them? Why do I need an 852 01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,039 army of pope splainers? And by the way, the popes players themselves now 853 01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:30,560 have their own mini army of Lofton splainers on Twitter. But let's let's finish 854 01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,560 Cameron's Bayesian quick books argument for the papers. This is the stupidest stuff I've 855 01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:41,000 ever heard. But if you're doing this Bayesian analysis, and then you ask 856 01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:46,920 how likely is that data given something other than Catholicism, something other than the 857 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,920 papacy, so like Protestantism or Orthodoxy, how likely is that data? And 858 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:57,479 I have to say, I just have to say, Now, the whole 859 01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,560 question is do these texts actually prove the in one doctrine of the papacy? 860 01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,000 And his move is just basically say, well, look let's have Peter with 861 01:30:04,039 --> 01:30:09,640 all that papally stuff, all that papal equalities, papal equalities, he said, 862 01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:15,239 papally papish qualities. And then how likely is it that Orthodoxy or Protestants 863 01:30:15,279 --> 01:30:18,039 could explain these texts? Not very likely. So there you go. This 864 01:30:18,199 --> 01:30:25,840 is the dumbest slide of hand, stupidest argument. This is the crowning dumb 865 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,960 argument for the papacy of all time. It is dumber than all of the 866 01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:33,800 like it's this is dumber than a forgery. Like a forgery is a better 867 01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,880 I mean, because it's at least kind of cunning, you know what I 868 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:46,039 mean. But this is just looney tunes, dude, Looney Tunes against super 869 01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:50,560 Low. It's gotta be very very low. I see. And so this 870 01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:58,479 this is really strong. Even Matt Fraser, uh huh, I see. 871 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,159 I mean it's by that little giggly I see there. It's almost like maybe 872 01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:04,720 even Matt fraz kind of doubting. This is like that, this is a 873 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:09,600 little this a little goofy here, this is well a no fault. I 874 01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,920 don't know about these. How do you do? It's stranger? Could I 875 01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:23,279 sell you a bit of argument, our resident evil merchant, evidence for the 876 01:31:23,359 --> 01:31:26,399 papacy if you're convinced of the type of loge I see. So if you're 877 01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,079 not, it doesn't do much damage. Oh that was an interesting admission. 878 01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,840 So if you're convinced of the typology, then it's a great argument for the 879 01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:40,039 paper. So in other words, grant me my papal presuppositions, and then 880 01:31:40,119 --> 01:31:44,279 we can read into Isaiah twenty four or twenty two. All the Vatican one 881 01:31:44,359 --> 01:31:51,319 stuff. Wow, amazing, how this is a strong argument. Is that 882 01:31:51,399 --> 01:31:57,600 what you're saying, there's a caveat there? So I was going to wait 883 01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,720 to talk about that a little bit later. Let me, do you mind 884 01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,880 if i'm of course, and just while you're doing that, just so for 885 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:08,920 those when we talk about does quick books run on an iPhone? So I'm 886 01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:13,680 confused here, So he's trying to pull up his quick books? Uh that 887 01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:19,319 does it still run on the Mac operating system? I wonder a person's places 888 01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:25,359 events in the Old Testament foreshadow of greater reality in the New. So Saint 889 01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,319 Augustin says, the New Testament is concealed in the Old, the Old is 890 01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:32,680 revealed in the New. And this is not some medieval invention. Saint Paul 891 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:39,520 talks about Christ is the New Adam and many other examples. Yeah, yeah, 892 01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:46,760 nobody doubts typology, but you are creative isigesis of reading Vatican one into 893 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:51,800 Isaiah twenty two is is just ridiculous. That's what people doubt, not not 894 01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,520 typology. Notice he doesn't even think his audience is like intelligent enough to even 895 01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,920 know what that is. Right, So again this is like, let's speak 896 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,159 to the lowest tier people who have no clue about anything, and rope them 897 01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:10,279 in with this mathematical Bayesian argument for the papacy. This is just unbelievable. 898 01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:15,640 Recently said that Christianity is a type of logical religion. And this is one 899 01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:19,960 of the things that's really gave me, given me like a better appreciation for 900 01:33:20,079 --> 01:33:25,279 the Bible is the fact that the New Testament ties in to the Old Testament. 901 01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:28,239 It's the fulfillment of the Old Testament. It's not as if, I 902 01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:30,800 mean, as a Protestant, my view was kind of like, oh, 903 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,600 we could kind of like get rid of the Old Testament, like let's forget 904 01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:40,279 about it. Let's try to forget about it, because well, that's interesting 905 01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:48,199 because that runs counter to the type of approach that the Vatican put out on 906 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:54,279 It's the document on the Relationship of the Church to the Jews. Remember that 907 01:33:54,439 --> 01:34:00,680 document, because it actually said that rejecting type is a valid way to read 908 01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:05,239 the Old Testa. Remember that that was a huge scandal. All the Roman 909 01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:16,119 Catholics were in an uproar for years over this document. What was the name 910 01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:20,560 of that document. It's escaping me at the moment. The Church's relationship to 911 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:30,239 the jewsus not no stratate. It's a document that they put out in the 912 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:36,520 two thousands, because even people like Jimmy Aiken and even the all the normy 913 01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,359 Catholic even they had to try to explain this thing away back in the day. 914 01:34:42,319 --> 01:34:45,479 Can anybody remember the name of that document. I haven't thought about this 915 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,359 in a long time, but actually, if you read rat Singer's book, 916 01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:50,720 he basically says the same thing in his book too. Two religions, one 917 01:34:50,800 --> 01:35:06,880 covenant. Excuse me, many religions, one Covenant. It's a real book. 918 01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:13,119 I know none of you Knube Catholics have read this, but I've actually 919 01:35:13,159 --> 01:35:25,840 read about six or seven of Ratzinger's books, and rat Singer refers to the 920 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,560 document in this book. I mean, even Ratzinger's book was kind of a 921 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:34,920 scandal because it says that the Jewish reading of the Old Testament is a valid 922 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:40,079 reading. Oh but that would mean that all the prophecies of Christism, Assiah 923 01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:45,600 and all the typologies are also no longer the case. You see, So 924 01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:53,359 just classic Vatican double speak. People ain't talking about Rusia. Russia don't have 925 01:35:53,359 --> 01:35:55,159 anything to do with what we're talking about tonight. No, it's not no 926 01:35:55,279 --> 01:35:59,840 sertate. They it's a separate document in the two thousands that came out. 927 01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:12,000 Let me see, maybe it's mentioned here. It's something like this the relationship 928 01:36:12,079 --> 01:36:17,319 of the Church to the Jews or something like that. He caused the big 929 01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:20,800 start. They also had to downplay it. They all tried to downplay it, 930 01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:27,279 like even E. MJ. He says stuff like, oh, this 931 01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:30,359 document has been canceled out, it doesn't matter anymore, and when and when 932 01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:35,119 do the Vatican do that exactly? It's just they just say this stuff, 933 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:38,479 right, Oh, well, we don't care about that anymore. I'm sure 934 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:44,840 you don't because it's pretty like it's pretty contradictory. Right, there's nobody remembers 935 01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:57,800 this document. Let me think, all right, it'll probably be in this 936 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:14,600 article here somewhere. I'm trying to think what the name of it was. 937 01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:20,840 Now. It might have even been a document specifically put out by the US, 938 01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:30,720 like the American US Conference Catholic Bishops, and the document came out maybe 939 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,920 even then. It's either the nineties or the two thousands, and it's one 940 01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:42,039 of these things that people have forgotten, like the Joint Declaration with the Lutherans, 941 01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,600 I mean, the joint Declaration with the Lutherans is another example of contradiction, 942 01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:53,640 because Lutheranism is an infallibly condemned heresy, and the joint Declaration says that, 943 01:37:54,079 --> 01:37:57,319 well, that doesn't really apply anymore. Okay, sure, I mean 944 01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:04,119 Lutherans still believe Lutheranism. Oh maybe this is it. This is back to 945 01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:10,279 twenty fifteen. New document doesn't seek for conversion. Yeah, it had all 946 01:38:10,359 --> 01:38:14,560 kinds of stuff in it like this. Maybe this is it. Oh, 947 01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:19,079 come on, now, a damn pay article. Come on, let's see 948 01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:29,640 if we can cheat. The Catholic Church does not seek to convert Jews anymore. 949 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,119 The document says, yes, this is it. What's the document? 950 01:38:31,199 --> 01:39:00,680 Though? It's not nosratat this is a post Vattican two document. Hmm, 951 01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:06,560 that's not it. I want to find this because everybody's forgotten this. Here 952 01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:20,359 we go, everybody's forgotten this. I didn't forget it. Let's see new 953 01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:30,039 document. You Catholics should not try to make converts. None of these docum, 954 01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:32,720 none of these things say what the document is. Oh, the document 955 01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,239 is called the Gifts and Calling of God are irrevocable. Here we go, 956 01:39:38,079 --> 01:40:02,840 bingo, this is it. Aha, that's it. So this was a 957 01:40:03,039 --> 01:40:11,560 document that was put out on the fiftieth anniversary of nosretate about it in two 958 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:17,880 and it specifically says that the Old Testament is there's a valid way to read 959 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,560 the Old Testament that Jews have. We're not going to convert Jews anymore. 960 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:27,199 It's all just totally like surrendering the entire mission of the church. Right. 961 01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:36,159 I'm trying to see what year this came out, twenty fifteen. I think 962 01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:42,880 there's actually an older document than twenty fifteen. But here is that document if 963 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,119 you want to read that one. I mean, there's a ton of these. 964 01:40:45,159 --> 01:40:49,079 By the way, Oh here we go, we should just go here 965 01:40:49,199 --> 01:41:15,680 with relations with Judaism. So basically there's a bunch. I'm not sure which 966 01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:23,439 one it is, So let's see commission documents. To the Commission, there 967 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:32,079 was a specifically notorious one though, and it prompted all the Roman Catholic apologists 968 01:41:32,079 --> 01:41:40,279 to go into overdrive hyperdrive to make it work. Do we have any former 969 01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:50,720 tradcats that remember this the address to Mines? No, that's not it confide 970 01:41:50,720 --> 01:42:04,640 it on EWTN. Hmm. It just seems like so I thought Gifts and 971 01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:23,279 Calling of God document was older, But I mean the covenant that God has 972 01:42:23,319 --> 01:42:30,600 with Israel is irrevocable. That's actually I mean, God says he will divorce 973 01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,880 Israel. It's simply not true. And Roman Catholic dogma actually says in the 974 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:39,359 Middle Ages that the Covenant of the Old Testament is no longer in force. 975 01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:43,600 I think it's a I think that's that Cantade Domino at Florence. So this 976 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,239 is just an outright contradiction right there. But I remember, these are papally 977 01:42:46,279 --> 01:42:51,720 approved dialogues, right, and of course they're all just going to say, 978 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:55,000 oh, we don't have to listen to that. Yeah, but the Pope 979 01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,640 has approved these documents. Even if you don't like it or you don't listen 980 01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,760 to it, the Pope has approved it. So this is what he that 981 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,039 what this is what he thinks, right, he agrees with this, So 982 01:43:03,159 --> 01:43:13,399 that means that he doesn't believe the Christian faith. Cardinal Koch And by the 983 01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,920 way, if Francis disagreed with these documents, he would simply say, do 984 01:43:16,039 --> 01:43:19,319 not follow with these documents. I'm the supreme teaching authority of the Romancolic Church. 985 01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:23,680 These documents are telling you not to make converts of other religions and that 986 01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:30,920 is a horrendous evil action, because to make converts is an action of love. 987 01:43:31,159 --> 01:43:34,520 Anyway, if you really want to though, I mean, there's a 988 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:40,159 whole host of these documents here if you go to the Vatican's website for Ecumenism, 989 01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,920 and all of the documents are right here, so it's actually a giant 990 01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,560 trove of them. And the joint declaration with the Lutherans I'm sure is also 991 01:43:48,640 --> 01:44:00,399 on here. There's too many documents on this thing. You have to go 992 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,520 fish for if you want it. But anyway, there's the link. Let's 993 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:09,800 get back to Cameron here. Remember these documents say to not make converts, 994 01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:16,239 right, Remember how Lofton was saying that Francis never said that. By the 995 01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:20,560 way, I lost my place. Where are we at with the quick books 996 01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:26,680 here and attacking Hilder It's like, let's can we just forget about the Can 997 01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:29,880 we just forget about that and just focus on the New Testament? Because it's 998 01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:32,279 all about love and the MASSI and Harry's heresy, isn't it. It's not 999 01:44:32,359 --> 01:44:35,399 a new well, it's something that I was just sort of like drawn to, 1000 01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:40,840 like you know, unconsciously, I was like I wish that I could 1001 01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,840 just do away with the Old Testament, yes, because it was just like 1002 01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,920 yeah. But Benedict also says similar things like when it comes to modernists, 1003 01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:55,920 exe Jesus of passages too. So I mean the Vatican has adopted higher criticism 1004 01:44:56,000 --> 01:45:00,800 and higher critical methods at least pre Vatican to and then pretty much dominates in 1005 01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:04,960 the Roman Catholic world. So they're trying to sell you on this, uh, 1006 01:45:05,159 --> 01:45:11,800 you know, classical patristic exegesis when the Vatican has already accepted modernist, 1007 01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:16,600 higher critical ext to Jesus and doesn't do typology in their seminaries anymore. So 1008 01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,199 he could say, well, but I'm not I'm talking about at the church 1009 01:45:20,359 --> 01:45:26,159 level. Yeah, but the Vatican promotes the modernism that you're critiquing. So 1010 01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:32,600 I'm talking about the head of your church level with atheists. Yeah, when 1011 01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:36,439 he's embarrassing. By the way, keep in mind his debates with atheists. 1012 01:45:38,039 --> 01:45:45,000 This is the uber evidentialist man. It's not It's not accidental that he went 1013 01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:50,439 to Rome, isn't it? Because evidentialism is bound up with foundationalism and bound 1014 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:58,760 up with foundationalists epistemology and natural theology. So interesting that it's very telling that 1015 01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,119 he went to Roman Catholicism. I love that. Yeah, helped me see 1016 01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:05,800 the importance of the Old Testament and how important it is for the New Testament 1017 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:12,880 authors, including Jesus. Jesus went through and Luke all the Old Testament scriptures 1018 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,239 and was like, yeah, this is what Moses had to do, this 1019 01:46:15,399 --> 01:46:20,399 and all that. And but wait a minute, Cameron, if Jesus went 1020 01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:26,000 through Luke and told him that the Old Testament was about him and all those 1021 01:46:26,079 --> 01:46:30,560 passages were typological to Christ, to his ministry, then that would mean that 1022 01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,039 the Old Testament is not validly read by the Jews, which the Vatican says 1023 01:46:33,079 --> 01:46:36,880 it is. So so you're going to get the Vatican there, Cameron, 1024 01:46:38,039 --> 01:46:44,000 did you know that? And so it is a typological religion Christianity. Would 1025 01:46:44,039 --> 01:46:46,319 you mind if I pressed back against this, maybe try to play a devil's 1026 01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:49,319 advocate with this, or would you rather not do that? Well, I 1027 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:56,079 let me you mind if I just continue the journey. So at this point 1028 01:46:56,159 --> 01:47:00,439 I did start to look into this one argument, so because I saw if 1029 01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:05,800 this argument actually works, then it's really powerful evidence, and so then I 1030 01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:11,600 wanted to actually study it. Yeah, so again accept on my presuppositions, 1031 01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:16,000 and then I'll overwhelm you with this wowing is Ofgesis passage from Isaiah twenty So 1032 01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:21,359 I thought he started with Baysian quick books. And now we spent the last 1033 01:47:21,399 --> 01:47:26,880 five minutes on Isaiah twenty two as the killer killed, the kill shot papacy 1034 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:32,800 argument, and so as I studied it, I continue to remain sort of 1035 01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:36,239 agnostic about it. I continue to just see I mean, yeah, like 1036 01:47:38,039 --> 01:47:43,039 this argument, there are good reasons to think that it's successful. Right, 1037 01:47:43,159 --> 01:47:46,239 But then you hear objections from Gavin ORTLND like a typology run a monk, 1038 01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:49,640 right, like that seems like a good objection. Yeah, I don't really 1039 01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:56,760 know what you're just reading into this, Yeah exactly. I mean, for 1040 01:47:56,840 --> 01:48:00,920 example, we should expect to see in the first eight hundred years of the 1041 01:48:00,039 --> 01:48:06,359 church, anybody, any counsel, any church father utilizing Isaiah twenty two about 1042 01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:10,800 the papacy, Right, wouldn't we expect to see that? If this was 1043 01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:15,920 so obvious and has anyone shown this? I mean again, perhaps there is 1044 01:48:15,239 --> 01:48:20,319 a church father somewhere that utilizes Isaiah twenty two in some tip of lige. 1045 01:48:20,359 --> 01:48:30,399 I've never seen this. I would be surprised perhaps it exists. Do you 1046 01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:36,039 want to come on the stream. So we got a bunch of people in 1047 01:48:36,079 --> 01:48:39,159 the chat. We've got eight hundred nine undred people over here in the chat. 1048 01:48:40,079 --> 01:48:46,000 Make it a bunch of fuss. So you can call in. If 1049 01:48:46,039 --> 01:48:49,640 you're gonna fuss in the chat, just come talk to me, call in 1050 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:57,079 right here via Twitter. Otherwise, stop fussing in the chat. I'm talking 1051 01:48:57,159 --> 01:49:02,840 to the pope'splainers in the chat. So yes, Marco JB. Come to 1052 01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:10,199 the to the chat here, because we're going to go. We'll go to 1053 01:49:10,319 --> 01:49:14,199 more documents. We've got all the documents you want. I've got papal documents 1054 01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:19,880 out the wazoo here. You don't know that. And so I remained agnostic 1055 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,960 about it, and so I was. But I was talking one day with 1056 01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:28,359 a friend of mine who's an expert in Bayesian analysis, and I was like, 1057 01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:30,920 so what do I do at this point? Do I do? So? 1058 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,760 Wait a minute, it's not actually Cameron's argument. It's his friend that's 1059 01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:43,039 an expert in Bayesian analysis that's going to give us the quick Books Baysian proof 1060 01:49:43,079 --> 01:49:45,680 of the paper. So you can't make this up. This was the dombin 1061 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:51,119 this again, worst papal argument of all time? Or what do I do 1062 01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:55,560 with it? If I'm not convinced about this this data being an actual data 1063 01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:59,760 point, do I ignore it? And then just like go with whatever the 1064 01:50:00,119 --> 01:50:01,159 evidence that I've got. And he was like, no, you don't ignore 1065 01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:06,520 it. What you do is you cut its probabilistic force in half. If 1066 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:11,560 you're unsure about that piece of data, then you cut its probabilistic force in 1067 01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:16,920 half. And so naturally I went directly to my document and I did that, 1068 01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:24,039 and the probability after I cut the probability in half came out two point 1069 01:50:24,119 --> 01:50:31,319 ninety one. I think, all right, I've had I've had about enough 1070 01:50:31,359 --> 01:50:34,039 of this, this argument, this is this is We're gonna move on. 1071 01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:41,039 I mean, so point nine to one chance that the Isaiah Isaiah twenty two 1072 01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:44,000 is not about the papacy, Okay, yeah, and that's why you're a 1073 01:50:44,079 --> 01:50:46,359 Roman Catholic. Good luck with that, and we'll see how long that lasts. 1074 01:50:47,279 --> 01:50:55,439 I imagine it could last infinitely because these people It's like Dolinger said, 1075 01:50:55,560 --> 01:51:00,159 right that once Vatican One happens, the entirety of Roman Catholic pologetics would become 1076 01:51:00,319 --> 01:51:04,760 papal lawyurism, meaning that everybody would no longer defend Christianity, the d do 1077 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:09,840 Christ, the Trinity, all that it would be now to defend the papacy 1078 01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:14,600 in Vatican One? What did ninety nine percent of the papal apologists do argue 1079 01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:18,279 the papacy? And so Trent. Someone reached out the other day and said 1080 01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:23,000 it wasn't for Trent and was reaching out independently of Trent, said why won't 1081 01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:26,920 you have the Trent debate? We had a Trent debate? What are you 1082 01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,800 talking about? No, the papacy. Oh, I've offered twice to off 1083 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:34,840 to debate Trent on the papacy because I think that the papacy is a geopolitical 1084 01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:41,520 power and institution under the sway of things like the econom World Economic Forum and 1085 01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,720 the State Department. And Trent had no interest in debating that. Trem will 1086 01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:53,359 only debate the topic of the infallibility and errancy of the papacy as a institution 1087 01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:59,000 created by Christ. When that debate has been had about a million times, 1088 01:52:00,399 --> 01:52:03,479 and so how many times do we have to see the same proof text, 1089 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:08,800 the same quote, mining I mean, it just gets old that debate has 1090 01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:14,439 Ubi's had this debate with every one of these Catholic apologists already, So I 1091 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:20,319 want to know because the papacy has a tremendous amount of geopolitical connections. There 1092 01:52:20,399 --> 01:52:27,039 have been countless public scandals in court cases. Can somebody please help me understand 1093 01:52:27,159 --> 01:52:29,760 the meaning of those things? Because that actually seems to make a lot more 1094 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:34,399 sense to explain the papacy than your pope's planning. But they will not debate 1095 01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:38,640 that. Why will they not debate that? None of them. I have 1096 01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:44,760 reached out to professors, I have messaged everybody who has Catholic scholar friends. 1097 01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:50,840 I've asked all of them, somebody please debate the geopolitics of the papacy. 1098 01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:58,359 Not one of them will touch it with a ten foot pole, because remember, 1099 01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:01,680 according to Trent, there are conspiracies. It doesn't I'm Jack Chick. 1100 01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:14,479 That was literally what he said, literally the I mean sure, right right, 1101 01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:17,319 I'm Jack. I wrote sixty plus writings of the elite we've lectured through. 1102 01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:21,920 I'm Jack Chick. Uh huh. But I'm telling you they won't debate 1103 01:53:24,319 --> 01:53:31,079 that topic because I will demolish them because even their own trad cats write gigantic 1104 01:53:31,159 --> 01:53:39,319 scholarly tones and go on their buddies channels to talk about geopolitical influence and control 1105 01:53:39,319 --> 01:53:44,279 of the papacy, like David Wimhoff, the lawyer, and so if I've 1106 01:53:44,319 --> 01:53:46,600 read that book, it's like eight in our pages. And he goes on 1107 01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:56,640 Flanders podcast and all these people and I talk about the same stuff. They 1108 01:53:56,760 --> 01:54:02,560 call that crazy conspiracies. When the very guy who writes the book goes on 1109 01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:10,199 people in their circles podcasts, meaning they support by a proxy, crazy conspiracies. 1110 01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:16,720 It's so ridiculous. None of these people wanted to have a serious debate 1111 01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:25,000 about real on the ground world issues. They want to already have you debating 1112 01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:43,760 fan fiction infallible papacy nonsense. So I'm talking about probably the last two years. 1113 01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:48,159 I've asked specifically to find Roman Catholics that would debate the geopolitics of the 1114 01:54:48,199 --> 01:54:53,479 papacy, and there are none. I've gotten a resounding no from every one 1115 01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,680 of them. And I've even reached out to guys I don't even know I've 1116 01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,239 never heard of. Like I asked him, I said, tell tell me 1117 01:55:00,319 --> 01:55:06,600 the scholars, tell me the papal historians that can explain to me the Vatican 1118 01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:17,399 banking scandals and the p two mafia and Gladio. Nobody, and again, 1119 01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,840 have any of these people ever even talked about those things. No, they 1120 01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:26,880 don't even know about it, and they have the gall to call me Jack 1121 01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:33,920 chick. So I want to hope that maybe Trent just doesn't know about those 1122 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:43,399 things, right. But I can guarantee you this, if we did have 1123 01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:46,680 that debate, not one of these goobers would last five minutes, would they? 1124 01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:48,520 And they know better. That's why they don't have it. And the 1125 01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:53,880 excuse that I mean is an excuse. So that's it. So let's see 1126 01:55:53,920 --> 01:56:00,319 what Trent's explanation is and who does Trent go to interesting Ben Shapiro, Hey, 1127 01:56:00,319 --> 01:56:03,239 everyone, welcome to the Council Trent Podcasts. I'm your host, Cat 1128 01:56:03,279 --> 01:56:08,720 Against' apologist and speaker Tren Horne. I wasn't planning on talking about the issue 1129 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:13,239 of the new Vatican document on Blessings for same sex couples and couples in your 1130 01:56:13,279 --> 01:56:15,880 regular situation. He wasn't planning on talking about it. I wonder why do 1131 01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,520 you want to talk about it? Maybe because it's another big contradiction Trent. 1132 01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:24,760 Is that why or is there an other reasons? Because a lot of other 1133 01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:28,600 voices were addressing it. But Ben Shapiro asked me to come on to his 1134 01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,520 show to give my perspective. So I thought this would be a good opportunity 1135 01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:38,800 to discuss this issue and the Catholic faith in a broader way. Well, 1136 01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:42,199 I'm curious, Trent, did you abide by the Vatican documents that tell you 1137 01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,479 not to try to attempt to convert Ben Shapiro? Did you stick to that 1138 01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:49,760 or did you want to try to convert him because you know that deep down 1139 01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:53,920 that's what Christians do as they try to convert people. Or did were you 1140 01:56:54,000 --> 01:57:00,840 faithful to the Vaticans apostasy telling you not to convert Jewish people to his audience. 1141 01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:04,039 In the interview that I have with Ben, which i'll share with you 1142 01:57:04,279 --> 01:57:11,079 shortly, I wanted to communicate that some reports about this new Vatican document are 1143 01:57:11,319 --> 01:57:15,600 simply not true, like reports that the Church has changed its teaching on marriage, 1144 01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:21,399 or that the Church is now allowing for formal liturgical blessings for same sex 1145 01:57:21,479 --> 01:57:26,560 couples that resemble gay weddings. That's not true. The Church has not changed. 1146 01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:35,960 False, the Church has changed because the response of twenty twenty one about 1147 01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:43,920 the blessing of same sex couples was what what did the CDF say in twenty 1148 01:57:44,079 --> 01:57:49,960 twenty one about the blessing? Do you remember the word? For this reason, 1149 01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:58,159 it is not listed to a part of blessing to these relationships. Did 1150 01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:02,199 you notice that he changed that He cleverly said sacraments in marriage. No, 1151 01:58:02,279 --> 01:58:06,520 no, we know that it's not sacraments in marriage. It's the blessing, 1152 01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:13,760 the priestly blessing of the couples twenty twenty one. Can you read response on 1153 01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:19,920 twenty twenty one? Holy Office of the Inquisition? Can we do but stuff? 1154 01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:25,439 If we're on our way to do the butt stuff? But we're also 1155 01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:29,319 sorry for it, but also we're not and also please bless us, yes, 1156 01:58:30,399 --> 01:58:33,520 yes, please give us this CDF. No, it is not listed 1157 01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:41,319 to impart the blessings. So you just heard Trent say nothing changed, nothing 1158 01:58:41,439 --> 01:58:45,800 changed. Oh but wait a minute, what does the new document say paragraph 1159 01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:56,800 thirty one, fiduccia. Can you guys read within the horizon outline here appears 1160 01:58:56,840 --> 01:59:00,760 the possibility of blessings of couples in irregular situations and for the couples of the 1161 01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:10,319 same sex. Oh but it's not liturgical, so what stop with the sophistry? 1162 01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:15,720 Trent and Michael Lofton are liars because the document clearly is a change. 1163 01:59:17,319 --> 01:59:21,079 What does the document right here say for this reason it does not listen? 1164 01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:28,439 The Vatican's Doctrinal Office, the CDF, in twenty twenty one the other day, 1165 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:40,680 blessings are possible. You are being lied to. These people are liars, 1166 01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:46,800 and they are forced to lie because they are bought into a system that 1167 01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:54,119 they are coping for with their mental gymnastics. When it clear as day says 1168 01:59:55,079 --> 02:00:01,000 a change, not listit can now be done. Can you read? Can 1169 02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:08,960 you read? Stop lying? All of you lying liars? Do you know 1170 02:00:09,039 --> 02:00:15,399 what their response is? Can you guess? Oh? But in the earlier 1171 02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:18,800 paragraph it says you can't do it, and nothing the earlier paragraphs is nothing 1172 02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:25,199 changed. Oh so if there's an earlier paragraph saying nothing changed, and then 1173 02:00:25,239 --> 02:00:30,880 a later paragraph says that you can now do this, that's called a contradiction. 1174 02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:41,359 And even your famous professor, doctor Ed Fazer went on Twitter to show 1175 02:00:41,439 --> 02:00:47,640 you that that's a a contradiction. So you're lying because it is a change, 1176 02:00:49,039 --> 02:00:54,359 And if nothing changed, there was no need for a document because the 1177 02:00:54,439 --> 02:00:59,840 CDF had already said you can't do it right here, And that has all 1178 02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,159 always been the teaching back to the two thousand and three document from Ratzinger that 1179 02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:06,279 we covered last time. So two thousand and three you can't do it, 1180 02:01:06,479 --> 02:01:11,800 two thousand and one can't do it. Twenty twenty three you can do it, 1181 02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:17,720 and all those skills men immediately started doing it. So you are liars, 1182 02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:26,880 Trent, You're lying. Matt Frad lying, Actually Matt Frad. Now, 1183 02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:32,640 wait a minute, does Matt Frad differ from Trent Horn? Because why 1184 02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:35,279 is it Matt Frad say, want nothing changed? Maybe it is. Let's 1185 02:01:35,319 --> 02:01:40,880 see episode might say what did I say? Thanks to Trent Horn for letting 1186 02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:45,199 me use his studio. I want to read what the head of the Ukrainian 1187 02:01:45,279 --> 02:01:49,720 Greek Catholic Church, the church of which I am a member, just had 1188 02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:55,600 to say about Fiducia supplicants. So we'll read together. By the way, 1189 02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:58,560 as the church basically run by the CIA, So if you don't know, 1190 02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:03,000 I mean the Ukrainian Catholics or we're big involved in trying to split the Orthodox 1191 02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:08,000 Church in the Ukraine, which thank God has failed. It did lead to 1192 02:02:08,199 --> 02:02:13,000 basically the persecution of the Orthodox Church in the Ukraine. But the thing he's 1193 02:02:13,039 --> 02:02:15,760 touting that he's all because by all these rumman Catholic pap Apologists. They don't 1194 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,000 go to the Novasordo by the way. You know that, right. They're 1195 02:02:18,039 --> 02:02:26,359 all involved in the subversion of passing themselves off as LARPing Orthodox because their state 1196 02:02:26,399 --> 02:02:30,600 department run churches are basically all about that. So that's another element to this 1197 02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:32,720 that people don't know, right. So he's basically saying, oh, I 1198 02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:38,600 got to the fid chitch out of Ukraine, and let's convit to Orthodox people 1199 02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:42,840 as I wit Orthodox t shits and present myself like I'm the Orthodox, but 1200 02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:49,159 I'm trying to get everybody in union with Frenzies. Hey, stranger got some 1201 02:02:49,319 --> 02:02:53,600 new ways. But it's a pretty short documented about it, quite powerful. 1202 02:02:54,600 --> 02:03:02,239 So communicate regarding the reception in the UGCC that's Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church of the 1203 02:03:02,359 --> 02:03:06,760 declaration of the Decastroy of the Doctrine of the Faith for Ducius Supplicans on the 1204 02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:14,720 pastoral meaning of Blessings. In response to numerous appeals from bishop's clergy, monastics, 1205 02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:19,520 ecclesial movements and individual laity of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church regarding the declaration 1206 02:03:19,680 --> 02:03:25,359 of the Decastrey of the Doctrine of the Faith for ducias supplicans on the pastoral 1207 02:03:25,479 --> 02:03:30,880 meaning of blessings, and after consulting with relevant experts and competent institutions, I 1208 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:34,680 wish to inform you of the following and as four short paragraphs is the first. 1209 02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:42,880 The above mentioned declaration interprets the pastoral meaning of blessings in the Latin Church, 1210 02:03:43,039 --> 02:03:46,199 not in the Eastern Catholic Churches. It does not address questions of Catholic 1211 02:03:46,319 --> 02:03:51,000 faith or morals, nor does it refer to any prescriptions of the Code of 1212 02:03:51,239 --> 02:03:58,560 Canons of the Eastern Churches or c CEO, nor does it mention Eastern Christians. 1213 02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:02,239 So they're clever out is that, oh, we don't have to listen 1214 02:04:02,279 --> 02:04:08,079 to it because we're under another canon law, Eastern Canons and the Roman Calloary 1215 02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:12,199 Church. Have you read Vatican One? You have to accept Vatican one. 1216 02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:15,840 If you're a Roman Catholic. You don't get to not accept Vatican ones teaching 1217 02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:20,159 about the universal jurisdiction and supremacy of the Pope because you're in an Eastern Rite. 1218 02:04:20,399 --> 02:04:26,359 This is a fiction that Eastern Catholics have made up to make Eastern Catholicism 1219 02:04:27,079 --> 02:04:30,640 some offer and some opportunity to Orthodox people. This scam has gone on for 1220 02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:33,920 way too long. People that have watched David's video begin to figure out that 1221 02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:41,079 it's LARPing because there's nothing in Vatican One that gives Eastern Rite people some excuse 1222 02:04:41,239 --> 02:04:45,359 to not have to not to submit to the papacy. The papacy when it 1223 02:04:45,399 --> 02:04:51,439 speaks on faith and morals, is authoritative. That's his ordinary teaching. So 1224 02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:57,920 Michael Lafton is actually more consistent than these people because Lofton understands what Vatican One 1225 02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,439 says about the ordinary teaching of the papers, meaning that you have to follow 1226 02:05:00,479 --> 02:05:05,279 it. You don't get to go to a national group of churches. Look 1227 02:05:05,319 --> 02:05:11,279 at what these guys are doing. How long have they said and critiqued Orthodoxy 1228 02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:17,319 Orthodox He's nationalistic. Now he's going to a nationalist church, the Ukrainian Catholic 1229 02:05:18,079 --> 02:05:26,199 Nation State Church. He's repealing to a nation synod of church to be more 1230 02:05:26,279 --> 02:05:32,920 correct than Francis. That's not how papism works, Matt. Vatican One doesn't 1231 02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:40,600 allow you to pick and choose Eastern rights that aren't subject to papal rulings. 1232 02:05:42,359 --> 02:05:45,840 Now you might think you can do that, and you might think the papal 1233 02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:49,520 system allows for that, that's just the incoherence and contradiction of the papal system. 1234 02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:57,920 That's not true Eastern sonodal practice. That's called orthodoxy. So he wants 1235 02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:03,399 orthodoxy within papers, which is the whole scam of Eastern Catholicism. And he's 1236 02:06:03,439 --> 02:06:06,520 going to say, I'm going to saw it with a bunch of bishops in 1237 02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:12,439 a nation state against Francis. That's called schism. Have you ever heard of 1238 02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:16,880 nation states going against the pope in papism, that's called schism. Have you 1239 02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:25,840 ever heard Old Catholics. So these people have no concern for consistency. They 1240 02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:29,720 have a ministry of grift that they've erected over the last several years. And 1241 02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:32,199 that's why they won't to ever a debate anybody who's serious. Why have a 1242 02:06:32,279 --> 02:06:38,319 debate when you can just keep this nonsense going us on the basis of Canon 1243 02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:44,560 fourteen ninety two of the Cceoh this correct, By the way, I'm skipping 1244 02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:50,960 this because Eastern Canons have absolutely nothing to do with this. The Eastern Catholics 1245 02:06:51,039 --> 02:06:56,399 pretend that they're not governed by the pope, and that they're governed by some 1246 02:06:56,640 --> 02:07:00,560 mythical Eastern canon law which is not subject to the Pope. I'm not saying 1247 02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:03,720 that canon law is mythical. The idea that they're not under the pope is 1248 02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:11,119 mythical. Vatican one says anyone who does not accept Vatican one is excommunicated and 1249 02:07:11,319 --> 02:07:15,319 damned. So for you to say, I don't have to accept Vatican One 1250 02:07:15,319 --> 02:07:18,399 because I'm an Eastern Catholic and we're governed by our own canons. Your canons 1251 02:07:18,439 --> 02:07:26,199 have nothing to do with the Pope's overruling and supreme universal jurisdiction. And by 1252 02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:29,680 the way, that's proven by the fact that the Pope determines what the Eastern 1253 02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:34,720 canons are. This is so stupid. This is all deception. They're coming 1254 02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:39,560 up with creative ways to lie to you because they're liars at all. Be 1255 02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:45,720 separated from the rest of the priests, always has an evangelical and catechetical dimension 1256 02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:50,239 and therefore can in no way contradict the teaching of the Catholic Church about the 1257 02:07:50,359 --> 02:07:55,399 family as a faithful, insoluble Oh but wait a minute, So but I 1258 02:07:55,439 --> 02:08:00,439 thought there was no contradictions. I thought nothing changed. If nothing changed, 1259 02:08:00,479 --> 02:08:03,199 then why do we have to listen to the Ukrainian Catholic Church disagree with the 1260 02:08:03,319 --> 02:08:07,680 document, but remember, nothing changed. These people are in free fall. 1261 02:08:09,359 --> 02:08:13,000 They're frauds, they're liars, and they have to repent and turn from this, 1262 02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:20,479 but they won't do it because of pride. I hope everyone can see 1263 02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:24,199 how ridiculous this is. And these are the same people who have dissed me, 1264 02:08:24,439 --> 02:08:28,560 come after me, same people try to get me deplatformed, all the 1265 02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:33,279 skullduggery that they've engaged in lying about me, coming up with nonsense for years 1266 02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:39,439 and the last we haven't made a stream like this in years, right, 1267 02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:43,199 we did a lofton stream two years ago. I don't even pay attention to 1268 02:08:43,239 --> 02:08:46,560 these people, So don't come over here be like, oh you're all salty, 1269 02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:50,680 will you have such a bird altitude? Dude, I don't don't. 1270 02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:54,199 I don't pay any attention to these people, but I will pay attention to 1271 02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:58,760 them when some big scandal comes out. Which is a contradiction where francis completely 1272 02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:09,000 check whether it is morally appropriate to bless people engaged in what they call mortal 1273 02:09:09,039 --> 02:09:13,600 sin, and it changed, and Trent just flat out lied and said nothing 1274 02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:16,560 changed. But now, if nothing changed, why is this guy having to 1275 02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:20,479 side with people that say that the document is wrong and fruitful union of love 1276 02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:24,960 between a man and a woman, which our Lord Jesus Christ raised the dignity 1277 02:09:26,439 --> 02:09:33,399 of the holy sacrament of matrimony. Pastoral prudence urges us to avoid ambiguous gestures, 1278 02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:39,279 expressions, and concepts that would distort or misrepresent God's word and the teaching 1279 02:09:39,479 --> 02:09:46,079 of the Catholic Church. The blessing of the Lord be upon you Spiatu's love. 1280 02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:54,640 Right, So this LARPer who pretends to be Orthodox is knowingly going against 1281 02:09:54,800 --> 02:10:01,399 the teaching of Rome, siding with a national church. Guys, remember how 1282 02:10:01,279 --> 02:10:09,079 how many thousand times have the tradcats said your church fails because it's nationalistic, 1283 02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:15,600 as if Roman Catholicism isn't, by the way, completely nationalistic throughout Europe and 1284 02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:22,800 many countries. Right now, we're supposed to listen to the Ukrainian Catholic Nation 1285 02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:31,520 Church against Francis Matt You were selling people on the papacy and its ability to 1286 02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:37,680 provide clarity, unity and certitude. But wait now we're supposed to listen to 1287 02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:45,560 the Eastern Ukrainian Catholic bishops. Well, but that's Orthodox, that's not papalism. 1288 02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:54,600 So that's about enough of that. I'm not going to play this nonsense 1289 02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:56,800 of him trying to explain this for an hour. All right, let's listen 1290 02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:01,000 to this, because this one was gold. This is pure gold, because 1291 02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:07,720 of course a popeplanner in chief, Michael Lofton. What does Michael Lfton say 1292 02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:13,640 about this? And does he contradict himself that the blessings which he also extended 1293 02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:20,119 and remarried couples could take place in churches in the Diocese of Spire. The 1294 02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:24,600 ceremony must differ from a church wedding ceremony in terms of words and signs, 1295 02:11:26,199 --> 02:11:33,279 and should explicitly now here's a kicker reinforce the love commitment, love commitment and 1296 02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:41,279 mutual responsibility in the couple's relationship as an act of blessing. So for context, 1297 02:11:43,079 --> 02:11:48,600 this is just a month ago when German bishops were saying that there could 1298 02:11:48,600 --> 02:11:54,680 be a blessing for sames, for unions, for skittles unions. And what 1299 02:11:54,880 --> 02:12:01,880 was Michael Lofton's argument? It violates the magisterium, the very thing that this 1300 02:12:01,359 --> 02:12:07,239 new document says can be done. Do you see this? So let's listen 1301 02:12:07,319 --> 02:12:11,319 to him. You can hear himself, you can hear him yourself. As 1302 02:12:11,439 --> 02:12:20,239 I said, you know some people disguise certain things in very cunning ways. 1303 02:12:22,279 --> 02:12:24,960 I mean, like Francis's documents, here's how they're going to try to sell 1304 02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:30,720 it. They're going to try to sell it as well. We're not blessing 1305 02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:35,880 sin oh disordered in this union. By the way, this is the very 1306 02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:41,960 thing that this liar now uses to Pope explain about the document. Do you 1307 02:12:43,039 --> 02:12:46,239 hear this? The very thing that the document that he's critiquing a month ago 1308 02:12:46,399 --> 02:12:52,760 says is now what he says, We're just blessing whatever good is found in 1309 02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:58,439 this union, such as monogamy, commitment, friendship. We're just blessing the 1310 02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:07,640 good there not that the very thing that Francis's documents tut. The very thing 1311 02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:15,399 that the armies of Novasorto people are now doing to explain Francis's document, Michael 1312 02:13:15,479 --> 02:13:18,880 Lofton in this video says, is the trick they would use. This liar 1313 02:13:20,119 --> 02:13:24,119 uses the tricks now because he's a frawl and he's a liar. You see 1314 02:13:24,199 --> 02:13:26,600 the way that they're going to try to couch it, and in fact we're 1315 02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:33,159 seeing him couching it in just that way. And you're probably familiar with what 1316 02:13:33,439 --> 02:13:37,840 my response has been to that, which is exactly what the magisterium actually said. 1317 02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:45,319 In response, as we'll look at here in a moment. Oh right, 1318 02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:48,800 So magisterium within a month develops to be the opposite of what it said 1319 02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:52,800 a month ago, according to you, So now we have the opposite on 1320 02:13:52,039 --> 02:14:00,199 the blessing. The magistrum has developed within a month. My response is he's 1321 02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:07,680 been. You can't isolate any good that you find, such as fidelity and 1322 02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:13,399 commitment. You can't isolate them from the context in which they are found. 1323 02:14:13,680 --> 02:14:24,319 We can speak of commitment, dude, uh Jocal in the chat Joker in 1324 02:14:24,399 --> 02:14:33,119 the chat, I already addressed this stupid objection. It does not say the 1325 02:14:33,239 --> 02:14:37,439 document literally says it is. Can you read. You're sitting there saying it 1326 02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:43,079 doesn't say what it says right there and all I know what you're gonna do. 1327 02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:45,800 You're gonna say. But in another place in the document it says that 1328 02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:54,439 nothing has changed. That's called a contradiction, Jokal, What does it say 1329 02:14:54,640 --> 02:14:58,960 right there? And what did if nothing changed? Why do the Ukrainian bishops 1330 02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:05,399 say that it's wrong? What do you mean nothing change? You're just lying. 1331 02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:11,479 It's called a contradiction. Look at this, What does it say for 1332 02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:16,560 this reason, it is not listit to impart this this is twenty twenty one. 1333 02:15:18,399 --> 02:15:28,560 And then the new document. The new document says, what within the 1334 02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:35,920 horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations of the 1335 02:15:35,039 --> 02:15:41,760 same sex. It literally says it right there for you. And you are 1336 02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:46,760 lying and you can't either you can't read, or like battered wife syndrome, 1337 02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:52,560 you double down and look to the other places in the document where it seems 1338 02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:58,439 to say what you want, and ignore the part that's a contradiction. So 1339 02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:01,399 tell me how it's not a contradiction, jocal. And by the way, 1340 02:16:01,399 --> 02:16:13,159 why don't you call in It says only people can be blessed. It says 1341 02:16:13,479 --> 02:16:20,800 cop boles, cop boles, couples, couples. The document is on the 1342 02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:26,199 screen for you. Look at the Roman Catholic lying in the chat as the 1343 02:16:26,279 --> 02:16:30,680 document is on the screen. What does he say right here? It says 1344 02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:35,719 that only people can be blessed. The headlines or the media lied about it, 1345 02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:41,319 No, Jocal, you're lying, joker. The media did not misrepresent 1346 02:16:41,399 --> 02:16:48,319 it because it says couples, couppules. It's even in the headline of the 1347 02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:56,360 section how do you lie right there to everyone's face? Are you gaslating us? 1348 02:16:56,399 --> 02:17:03,840 Do you think that we can't read it says couples? Are you running 1349 02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:09,319 a capturing Christianity? Quick books Bayesian analysis, which tells you that couples just 1350 02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:13,719 means two individuals? Is that how you make it work? This is why 1351 02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:20,639 your religion is collapsing because you're lying to yourself. You're liars. Couples is 1352 02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:24,959 a neutral term? A neutral term? Was it an Oh my gosh, 1353 02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:30,079 this is his code. Couples is a neutral term. Doesn't even make any 1354 02:17:30,159 --> 02:17:37,520 sense. A neutral term. The fricking term was in the old document it 1355 02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:41,520 said you can't do it? Was it a neutral term? Then you are 1356 02:17:41,520 --> 02:17:45,159 a liar. Dude. Just boot this liar. These people are unbelievable, 1357 02:17:45,520 --> 02:17:48,600 And this is why your church is collapsing because you can lie all day long 1358 02:17:48,680 --> 02:17:52,600 to yourself. But guess what, this empire of lies isn't gonna work because 1359 02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:58,920 Francis is doing our work for us. Joker, Get this liar out of 1360 02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:01,840 here. I'm so sick of these people. I'm putting out with these people 1361 02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:07,959 for years. Look at the level of lying that these people resort to. 1362 02:18:09,239 --> 02:18:13,440 Just made up some nonsense. The word couple is a neutral term. What 1363 02:18:13,600 --> 02:18:20,680 does that? That doesn't even make any sense a neutral term. These people 1364 02:18:20,760 --> 02:18:22,920 are disgusting. That's why, well you get so mean on the look, 1365 02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:28,000 because these people are disgusting. They act ridiculous, They lie all the time, 1366 02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:33,040 and they pretend and present to everybody that they're pious. Like Michael Lofton's 1367 02:18:33,079 --> 02:18:37,639 big giant crucifix, go big dog crucis fix bha my head? Do you 1368 02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:43,120 go, Paus by the way, buy my new repp dog. Listen to 1369 02:18:43,239 --> 02:18:48,239 his liar again with his nonsense. Blessing whatever good is found in this union, 1370 02:18:48,639 --> 02:18:56,159 such as monogamy, commitment, friendship. We're just blessing the good found 1371 02:18:56,319 --> 02:19:01,319 there, not the bad. You see they that they're going to try to 1372 02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:05,760 couch it, and in fact we'd seeing him. I mean for you utterly 1373 02:19:07,079 --> 02:19:11,360 super slow people. Let me explain it. This is Michael Often a month 1374 02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:16,200 ago explaining when the German bishops in his in his organized crime sect that he 1375 02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:24,040 worships in, when they wanted to do union blessings. Michael often is saying 1376 02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:28,319 it's against the magistarium, and he's even picking apart the logic they use now 1377 02:19:30,159 --> 02:19:35,239 in Francis's document. They're doing that very thing, and so he's contradicting himself. 1378 02:19:35,399 --> 02:19:39,719 Hopefully everyone can see this. And if you can't see this, then 1379 02:19:39,879 --> 02:19:43,840 just go somewhere else. Man, don't even come to these dreams because I 1380 02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,639 don't want you to be here. This is not for you. Go lie 1381 02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:52,120 to yourself elsewhere. Go have your patcha Mama and your voodoo elsewhere. Go 1382 02:19:52,239 --> 02:19:54,680 do your butt things elsewhere. Man, we don't want you here. This 1383 02:19:54,879 --> 02:20:01,360 is not for lying liars who wanted tolude themselves. Go to Michael Lofton's chat. 1384 02:20:01,399 --> 02:20:05,280 That's where you should be. You should go buy into his grift and 1385 02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:09,159 provide him with more donuts and go download his ridiculous, horrible rap songs. 1386 02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:16,479 By the way I can. I'm a joke rapper better than he ish in 1387 02:20:16,680 --> 02:20:22,760 just that way. And you're probably familiar with what my response has been to 1388 02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:28,239 that, which is exactly what the Magisterium actually said in response, as we'll 1389 02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:33,440 look at here in a moment. My response has always been, you can't 1390 02:20:35,959 --> 02:20:41,200 any good that you find, such as fidelity and commitment, you can't isolate 1391 02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:46,239 them from the context in which they are found. We can speak of commitment 1392 02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:56,239 fidelity, friendship isolated. Objectively speaking, these are goods, right, but 1393 02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:05,079 we relate. We don't live in the world of ideas Plato's ethereal realm. 1394 02:21:56,159 --> 02:22:01,040 Why are all the people apologies contradicting each other? I thought the papacy provided 1395 02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:07,440 clarity and certitude, and yet all of the pawp apologists are all having different 1396 02:22:07,479 --> 02:22:11,520 takes and contradicting it. They're they're melting down. Bro, This system is 1397 02:22:11,639 --> 02:22:18,959 itself melting down because the system itself is a geopolitical power structure in reality. 1398 02:22:20,520 --> 02:22:26,120 In reality, you'll find what's going on in books like this, not in 1399 02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:30,399 Trenthorne's apologetic pop books, but in books that show you the history of the 1400 02:22:30,479 --> 02:22:35,719 papacy becoming a world power and becoming a giant banking institution. That's the real 1401 02:22:35,879 --> 02:22:41,040 explanation and narrative of the papacy. That's what's really going on, not the 1402 02:22:41,159 --> 02:22:43,760 stories of the Pope splaneers, and they're made up narratives at all contradict Again, 1403 02:22:43,879 --> 02:22:50,120 why are they contradicting each other? Is it no change or a change? 1404 02:22:52,799 --> 02:22:56,600 Which of the pope splanners is the correct interpreter of the interpreters? You 1405 02:22:56,680 --> 02:23:01,280 see? Do we need a pope splainer, for the popes splainers for the 1406 02:23:01,319 --> 02:23:07,479 popes splanners. How many levels removed do we need to be before we can 1407 02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:11,159 get an accurate interpretation of the interpretation of the interpretation? Remember the video that 1408 02:23:11,319 --> 02:23:16,840 I made six years ago, six years ago, laughing and making fun of 1409 02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:22,280 the interpretation of the interpretation of the interpretation of the interpretation. What do we 1410 02:23:22,520 --> 02:23:26,760 have? The very thing I put in my damn video. That's what we 1411 02:23:26,879 --> 02:23:35,520 have. Let me find my video and see if we're not vindicated. Remember 1412 02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:43,600 my video. The papacy is circular. By the way, just a little 1413 02:23:45,079 --> 02:23:50,239 note for the Roman Catholic paup apologists. I have had an influx, a 1414 02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:58,520 mountain of people saying, even salty Roman Catholic submitting it you were right. 1415 02:23:58,639 --> 02:24:03,920 I'm sorry. Have been a mountain of people saying I am leaving Rome and 1416 02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:09,079 I'm gonna look into Orthodoxy or become Orthodox. An avalanche is coming and it's 1417 02:24:09,079 --> 02:24:15,399 only gonna get bigger. And as I told you guys before, it's not 1418 02:24:15,559 --> 02:24:20,680 gonna work to say, well, he's mean. I mean. I tried 1419 02:24:20,719 --> 02:24:26,639 to tell you guys like three or four years ago, when we were already 1420 02:24:26,719 --> 02:24:28,920 seeing thousands of people convert to orthodoxy. I was already trying to tell you 1421 02:24:28,959 --> 02:24:33,040 guys then that it's not gonna work to just keep saying Jay's mean, Jay's 1422 02:24:33,079 --> 02:24:37,360 mean, Jay's mean. That's all they've had is personal attacks and Michael Lofton's 1423 02:24:37,399 --> 02:24:41,239 low tier, five hour boring ass streams that nobody can make it all the 1424 02:24:41,239 --> 02:24:48,639 way through. So what did I say? Let's say I know how it 1425 02:24:48,719 --> 02:24:54,440 works. Fact, because as soon as you start trying to figure out who's 1426 02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:58,920 interpreting the popes or the councils correctly in Rome, there's a million different debates 1427 02:24:58,959 --> 02:25:01,239 and nobody can know. Nobody can decide for sure, And it doesn't matter 1428 02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:05,079 how many times to the pope reaffirms what have we seen in the last few 1429 02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:07,840 months? What have we seen in the last few months? This is my 1430 02:25:07,959 --> 02:25:11,520 video from five years ago. So who are we supposed to listen to, 1431 02:25:11,639 --> 02:25:18,559 Tim Gordon, Matt frad Carblohydrate Lofton, Like, who's the correct pubs planner 1432 02:25:18,639 --> 02:25:22,799 that we're all supposed to look to because they're all contradicting. Do we look 1433 02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:28,840 to the Ukrainian Catholic bishops? Do we look to James Martin? I thought 1434 02:25:28,879 --> 02:25:37,520 we were supposed to look to Francis. But oh, that doesn't work, 1435 02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:43,360 does it. Now we're in the position of interpreting the interpretation of the interpretation 1436 02:25:43,399 --> 02:25:48,159 of interpretation. And then I did this in the video, I drew father 1437 02:25:48,360 --> 02:25:52,360 Bruce. Father Bruce is the one that really interprets Francis, not Michael Walfton. 1438 02:25:52,399 --> 02:25:56,680 It's Father Bruce. Come to the guitar mouth, by the way, 1439 02:25:56,959 --> 02:26:01,840 makes sure feedback there haad to fix that. So here's our little Pope figure 1440 02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:09,079 and here's a little we're gonna put a little lowly normy Roman Catholic guy here. 1441 02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:13,760 Now, Pope Figure just decides one day that it is time for an 1442 02:26:13,799 --> 02:26:20,120 infallible declaration. Now he doesn't just simply cite in the document that it is 1443 02:26:20,200 --> 02:26:24,120 infallible, which would make it pretty easy for everybody wouldn't know. What he 1444 02:26:24,200 --> 02:26:30,360 does is he says that with full apostolic authority. Uh, by the way, 1445 02:26:30,799 --> 02:26:33,120 that is actually I think a good question to keep asking, why don't 1446 02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:37,440 they conveniently identify for everyone when this is infallible? I mean, perhaps they 1447 02:26:37,479 --> 02:26:43,840 could actually just say this is ex cathedra infallible teaching. But have they ever 1448 02:26:43,959 --> 02:26:46,920 given us an actual list of infallible ex cathedra teaching. No they haven't, 1449 02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:52,280 Which wouldn't that make it a lot easier if you were the supreme pastor? 1450 02:26:52,680 --> 02:26:56,760 Maybe the supreme pastor could give us a list of the infallible teachings. Remember 1451 02:26:58,159 --> 02:27:05,159 they always ask us this, Where to ortodogs listened to infallible things? Where 1452 02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:09,319 did you listen to you valible things? Yeah? Where's the list of the 1453 02:27:09,360 --> 02:27:11,719 infallible papal things? Oh there's not one. Oh wait a minute, is 1454 02:27:11,799 --> 02:27:16,559 it? Is it this book? No, it's not just this book. 1455 02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:18,200 Uh oh dang. See, I thought I could just read Densier. No, 1456 02:27:18,440 --> 02:27:20,840 sorry, I got to read a lot more than that, because there's 1457 02:27:20,879 --> 02:27:24,840 also these ecumenical councils and Vatican two, and I'll see that that's also part 1458 02:27:24,879 --> 02:27:31,799 of it. Where did you used to do? Impeibook things? The chair 1459 02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:39,280 right, Herry, he's gonna be proclaiming it in his proclamation bubble I decree 1460 02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:41,879 blah blah blah blah blah blahlah blahlah blahlah blah blah. And then later he 1461 02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:50,719 issues an encyclical that helps interpret this, and then later there's I don't know 1462 02:27:52,280 --> 02:27:58,399 another Uh. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issues a proclamation that 1463 02:27:58,479 --> 02:28:03,760 helps interpret this, and then later there's another I don't know, papal whatever, 1464 02:28:03,879 --> 02:28:07,120 it doesn't matter. Just come up with all the different layers and levels 1465 02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:16,799 PC, papal claim clarification, papal claim clarification. Now let's say this is 1466 02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:18,840 how because also works. I'm I'm not joking, right, this is really 1467 02:28:18,879 --> 02:28:28,319 how it works. Okay, Now, what is what is necessary for something 1468 02:28:28,399 --> 02:28:33,280 to be ex cathedral from the chair? Well, it's for the whole universal 1469 02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:39,680 Church. It's proclaim a full apstock authority right from the chair and supposedly, 1470 02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:45,000 or I'll put an inverted cross on him here, since they they love those 1471 02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:52,239 inverted crosses in Rome. Just Chair Proclamation xxx, which is also clarified in 1472 02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:56,840 encyclical b c D, which is also clarified by the Congregation of the Doctrine 1473 02:28:56,840 --> 02:29:01,079 of Faith with Rattinger as its head, suppose years ago. Now you notice 1474 02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:05,159 what I was doing in this video, ironically, is the very thing that's 1475 02:29:05,159 --> 02:29:09,360 happened now, right. We didn't get an ex cathedral statement from Francis about 1476 02:29:09,440 --> 02:29:15,079 butt stuff, but we got multiple statements from Francis which have then become a 1477 02:29:15,479 --> 02:29:20,440 devolving kicking the can down the road operation of the new document that interprets the 1478 02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:24,920 Dubia, which interprets the previous statements of Francis, which relates to the previous 1479 02:29:24,920 --> 02:29:28,920 CDF documents from twenty twenty one, which relates to the previous CDF documents from 1480 02:29:28,959 --> 02:29:33,799 twenty two thousand and three. So do you see the spiraling out of control 1481 02:29:37,239 --> 02:29:39,559 that's going on here? That's what I was illustrating in this video from five 1482 02:29:39,639 --> 02:29:43,799 years ago, and that's exactly what's happening right now. Because this is how 1483 02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:48,639 Roemancatholicism works. You can see I drew it on the famous whiteboard right there 1484 02:29:48,719 --> 02:29:54,079 for you. Look what I drew five years ago on the whiteboard is happening 1485 02:29:54,280 --> 02:30:01,600 in live time for you? Is it working? Is it providing clarity, 1486 02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:09,159 unity, certitude, preservation of faith and morals? Is it? Come on? 1487 02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:13,239 And you all know the answer to that question. Except for the lying 1488 02:30:13,360 --> 02:30:18,040 joker in the chat who said that couples is a neutral term just made up, 1489 02:30:18,520 --> 02:30:20,559 pulled that out of his butt. Couples is a neutral term. It 1490 02:30:20,559 --> 02:30:24,159 didn't make any sense. Couples is a neutral term. But I mean, 1491 02:30:24,200 --> 02:30:30,120 I guess if we're gonna use quick books to prove the papacy, then that's 1492 02:30:30,159 --> 02:30:31,879 where we're at, right, I mean, we're at quick books level arguments 1493 02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:37,479 for the papacy. Then uh, the papal clarification that comes later down the 1494 02:30:37,559 --> 02:30:43,440 road. And here's a U lowly little Roman guy. And you think we 1495 02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:46,719 just need the pope to solve these questions of theology. It solves it, 1496 02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:52,440 does it, really? But see what we've already done is we've introduced the 1497 02:30:52,040 --> 02:30:58,920 mysterious chair of authority that isn't always made clear when and yes, Roman cal 1498 02:31:00,280 --> 02:31:03,799 will debate ad nauseum which statements are ex cathedral and which ones aren't, which 1499 02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:09,360 shows us where's the ex cathedral list of the ex cathedra statements Roman Catholics. 1500 02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:11,680 I mean, that's what you should have if your system. If you want 1501 02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:13,760 me to buy into your system, at least give me that. Oh it 1502 02:31:13,799 --> 02:31:18,440 doesn't exist and it never will. This whole nonsense doesn't really do anything like 1503 02:31:18,520 --> 02:31:20,200 it's supposed to. It doesn't solve the problems it's supposed to. If we're 1504 02:31:20,200 --> 02:31:26,479 all sitting around for decades debating which ones are the ex cathedral pronouncements, that's 1505 02:31:26,559 --> 02:31:30,319 because it just moves the problem back a step? Can you not see that? 1506 02:31:31,879 --> 02:31:33,799 So here's can you not see it five years later, six years later, 1507 02:31:33,879 --> 02:31:37,120 with it in front of your face in real time. Can you guys 1508 02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:39,200 not see this? Everything I was telling you five years ago is happening in 1509 02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:43,280 live time for you now want to He says, all right, I'm gonna 1510 02:31:43,319 --> 02:31:50,719 interpret this so in his mind. And by the way, think about all 1511 02:31:50,760 --> 02:31:54,639 the Orthodoxic humanists who want to join with Rome. What does it say All 1512 02:31:54,719 --> 02:31:58,719 those gubers have just as much egg on their face too, right? And 1513 02:31:58,879 --> 02:32:01,200 this is, by the way, I think deep secretly, they're all a 1514 02:32:01,239 --> 02:32:05,920 bunch of They're into the the skittles, you know, touching pps thing too. 1515 02:32:05,040 --> 02:32:07,959 So that's that's what they want deep down. And I say, go 1516 02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:11,959 for it. Go to Rome. You don't need to join the Orthodox Church 1517 02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:18,479 that you can just go have that. Go have that over there. He's 1518 02:32:18,520 --> 02:32:24,479 got to be sure that the improper interpretation of all this layers of gobbledinggook is 1519 02:32:24,719 --> 02:32:28,959 proper, properly entering into his mind and interpreted correctly. Now, guess what 1520 02:32:30,079 --> 02:32:33,079 every Roman Catholic will tell you to do in this process. Oh, you 1521 02:32:33,159 --> 02:32:35,680 can't just do this. This is kind of this is kind of Protestant, 1522 02:32:35,719 --> 02:32:41,680 bro, It's kind of Protestant, going directly to these papal proclamations, assuming 1523 02:32:41,719 --> 02:32:43,879 that you can figure this out. Yeah, right, like in the Roman 1524 02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:48,920 gallic system kind of. I thought I could just go read Francis's statements and 1525 02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:50,760 that made it clear, right, and that's his that's the point of the 1526 02:32:50,799 --> 02:32:56,120 papacy that these pope sellers, these car salesmen of the papacy have been selling 1527 02:32:56,239 --> 02:33:01,040 us. Aha, Orthodox don't have it, we got the go ha haha. 1528 02:33:03,239 --> 02:33:05,280 Oh okay, So now that I'm Roman Catholic, as these goofuses have 1529 02:33:05,399 --> 02:33:09,159 been themselves saying, I can just read Francis right. Oh well, wait 1530 02:33:09,159 --> 02:33:11,719 a minute. Now the whole church is an uproar trying to figure out what 1531 02:33:11,799 --> 02:33:16,719 France has meant. So who's right? Oh well, you see now you 1532 02:33:16,799 --> 02:33:20,559 need to go to a postplanner doctor so and so, postplanner x y Z. 1533 02:33:22,639 --> 02:33:26,840 So the very thing that you bought into the system for doesn't actually work, 1534 02:33:26,879 --> 02:33:30,040 as I told you years ago, because I bought into the same thing 1535 02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:31,559 years ago, back in two thousand and three. I fell for these dumb 1536 02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:35,520 arguments. I didn't fall for the quick books papacy argument, but I felt 1537 02:33:35,559 --> 02:33:39,639 for the other arguments back in two thousand and three. Also, you too, 1538 02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:43,200 Before you can do that, you need to go talk to your local 1539 02:33:43,399 --> 02:33:48,120 priest, because your priest is there, Father so and so, Father Bru, 1540 02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:52,959 Father Bruth, Father Bruth is there for you. Yeah, So where 1541 02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:58,079 do I get the authoritative, correct interpretation of the interpretation of the interpretation? 1542 02:33:58,680 --> 02:34:01,639 Do you know? I see now why I took the entire debate with Trent 1543 02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:07,799 to epistemology. This is why I made the debate about epistemology, and Trent 1544 02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:13,680 miserably failed in the debate. 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Tim actually broke 1576 02:36:50,159 --> 02:36:52,440 down the grammar for you slow boys. And I don't even remember my grammars, 1577 02:36:54,959 --> 02:36:58,399 right, I don't remember a freaking grammar. But Tim, because he 1578 02:36:58,479 --> 02:37:05,200 homeschooled, he remembers grammar, and he breaks down the grammar of what it 1579 02:37:05,319 --> 02:37:09,760 actually means, especially the joker over there talking about neutral terms. No, 1580 02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:15,920 the word couples is the word used in the document on purpose. And would 1581 02:37:15,959 --> 02:37:20,280 you like a grammatical breakdown? October the ninth, I played you the clip 1582 02:37:20,559 --> 02:37:24,399 I told you so, then he's going to do the same thing. Create 1583 02:37:24,479 --> 02:37:31,239 this false middle category that's really meant to be that which is proscribed blessings women 1584 02:37:31,319 --> 02:37:37,239 deacons. He's going to do that later in the year, and so I 1585 02:37:37,360 --> 02:37:45,360 have a few things I want to do really quickly. I'm playing this because 1586 02:37:45,399 --> 02:37:48,120 I thought it was funny. This is like, you need people to break 1587 02:37:48,200 --> 02:37:52,159 the grammar down for you as to what the sentence means if you're being lied 1588 02:37:52,200 --> 02:38:00,760 to or gas lit. In twenty twenty one, Cardinal Ladaria optional chief at 1589 02:38:00,799 --> 02:38:05,879 the time, who got fired. It is whispered for this document, for 1590 02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:13,399 this defense of teaching, for censuring Fernandez and especially Heiner Wilmer. The two 1591 02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:20,399 CDF replacements that Francis tried immediately afterwards. This is the document in twenty twenty 1592 02:38:20,520 --> 02:38:24,680 one. It is not lisicit to impart a blessing on relationships or partnerships. 1593 02:38:24,760 --> 02:38:31,879 He's talking about the document right here that involve sexual activity outside marriage, as 1594 02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:35,879 is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex. This is 1595 02:38:35,959 --> 02:38:48,440 not civil unions, just any relationships partnerships. Unions three three synonyms for couple. 1596 02:38:48,520 --> 02:38:52,920 It is not listen to a part of blessing on any relationships or partnerships 1597 02:38:52,680 --> 02:38:56,719 involving sexual activity outside marriage. Is this the case of the unions between persons 1598 02:38:56,760 --> 02:39:01,879 of the same sex. That's twenty twenty one. If your lying friends tell 1599 02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:05,479 you no change. Here's the document in twenty twenty three from December the eighteenth. 1600 02:39:05,399 --> 02:39:11,959 Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular 1601 02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:18,040 situations and for couples of the same sex twenty twenty one. It is not 1602 02:39:18,200 --> 02:39:26,120 listed to impart a blessing on dot dot dot, relationships, partnerships, unions 1603 02:39:26,120 --> 02:39:28,000 between persons of the same sex, any of those three twenty twenty three. 1604 02:39:28,159 --> 02:39:33,520 One more time, this is an ad phaser quote. Who's been great on 1605 02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:39,399 this? The possibility of blessings for couples of the same sex. Those are 1606 02:39:39,479 --> 02:39:43,639 dense quotes from twenty one to twenty three. This is a reversal of doctrine. 1607 02:39:43,920 --> 02:39:50,559 This is formal heresy. There's no question about it. The text is 1608 02:39:50,760 --> 02:39:56,200 that clear. Twenty one, twenty twenty three. And I even because I'm 1609 02:39:56,200 --> 02:40:01,040 a grammar master, I even diagrammed the sentence for you paragraph thirty one of 1610 02:40:01,079 --> 02:40:11,239 Fiduccia Supplicans. Uh. Here appears the possibility Grammars mean exactly mean grammar. 1611 02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:15,680 So here we have. This is Western says oppressive grammar. This is this 1612 02:40:15,840 --> 02:40:24,520 clear there we go, So, uh, who champion the white board? 1613 02:40:24,600 --> 02:40:33,920 Who champion the white board? Who champion the white Let's let's let everyone see 1614 02:40:33,040 --> 02:40:39,000 this. Okay, So what we have and this is also free homeschooling lesson 1615 02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:43,520 because I told you the main thing your grammar school aged children need to be 1616 02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:48,280 doing ninety percent of the day should be grammar. Here appears, Here is 1617 02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:56,079 the subject of a sentence? Appears is the verb the possibility. Then we 1618 02:40:56,200 --> 02:41:01,360 have a bunch of possibility. Is either a direct object or predicate nominative, 1619 02:41:01,639 --> 02:41:05,559 depending on how you qualify appears, which is a unique kind of verb that 1620 02:41:05,639 --> 02:41:09,399 can either count as an action. So listen, dom Roman Catholics. Here's 1621 02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:16,479 a smart Roman Catholic breaking down grammar for you. Because you can't read. 1622 02:41:16,079 --> 02:41:20,680 That's why we're doing this verb which takes a direct object noun on the other 1623 02:41:20,760 --> 02:41:24,600 side, or a linking verb, which takes a predicate nominative noun on the 1624 02:41:24,680 --> 02:41:30,799 other side. This is a vague sentence. Appears can be one of those 1625 02:41:30,920 --> 02:41:35,440 rare verbs that's like is or becomes. There aren't that many linking verbs. 1626 02:41:35,639 --> 02:41:43,079 So the possibility is either the direct object receiving the action, or more likely 1627 02:41:43,159 --> 02:41:48,399 it's a linking verb appears, and possibility is the renaming of the subject the 1628 02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:52,440 predicate nominative. So what appears is the possibility. That's why I like this 1629 02:41:52,559 --> 02:41:56,440 sentence is a linking verb sentence. Now, of blessings, four couples of 1630 02:41:56,639 --> 02:42:05,719 the same sex. These are three prepositional phrases. The first is of blessings 1631 02:42:05,799 --> 02:42:13,920 is an adjectibal phrase of blessings describes possibility. I mean, imagine how dumb 1632 02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:18,440 this actually is that we're having to use grammar to break down the sentences for 1633 02:42:18,559 --> 02:42:24,600 people in the Roman Catholic documents. We just just stop for a moment and 1634 02:42:24,719 --> 02:42:28,280 think about the absurdity of this. Supposedly, Francis was gonna be the thing 1635 02:42:28,479 --> 02:42:35,360 that would give a certitude clarity in doctrine, but we need Roman Catholic apologists, 1636 02:42:35,639 --> 02:42:41,120 which I'm glad he did this. I'm not dissingc Tim, but it 1637 02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:45,959 illustrates the absurdity of the notion that this that Francis is giving. Anybody need 1638 02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:50,799 clarity. Now, we gotta have robic like just doing grammar to show people 1639 02:42:50,879 --> 02:42:58,520 what the freaking grammar actually says. Dude, come on four couples is an 1640 02:42:58,639 --> 02:43:05,479 adverse verrbial prep phrase describing an adjectible prep phrase. The one of blessings and 1641 02:43:05,719 --> 02:43:13,719 of the same sex describes couples, meaning it is another uh, what kind 1642 02:43:13,719 --> 02:43:18,159 of couples? Couples of the same sex, So it's another adjectible prep phrase. 1643 02:43:18,440 --> 02:43:22,719 Obviously, prep praises are almost always adverbial or adjectable. They act just 1644 02:43:22,799 --> 02:43:26,120 like an adverb or an adjectide. What means, what this all means is 1645 02:43:26,159 --> 02:43:33,559 that what appears here? What mean this is existing? Here is a possible? 1646 02:43:33,959 --> 02:43:43,879 What means this? This means all right? All right? I mean 1647 02:43:43,319 --> 02:43:46,040 if you don't get it after this point, then just go some go to 1648 02:43:46,120 --> 02:43:50,840 some other channel. Man Roman Catholics in the chat mad but her, just 1649 02:43:50,920 --> 02:43:54,479 go somewhere else. Like we're done. That's it. There's nothing else I 1650 02:43:54,559 --> 02:43:56,920 have to say to you. You don't like me, We're good, that's 1651 02:43:56,000 --> 02:44:03,399 fine. Go for it. Go go have a uh purple source res and 1652 02:44:03,479 --> 02:44:05,159 donuts with Michael lofton all day long. Let's open up the chat. We've 1653 02:44:05,159 --> 02:44:11,280 got a few people here requested to fuss cozy Kevin, what's up, Kevin? 1654 02:44:18,239 --> 02:44:35,159 You gotta un mute dude? Are you gonna unmute hm hm, yes, 1655 02:44:35,319 --> 02:44:41,440 not bones. What's up the Roman baron? Uh oh, that sounds 1656 02:44:41,479 --> 02:44:46,440 like a Roman Catholic. Let's set it straight. I gotta ummute, Tony. 1657 02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:52,719 Can you hear me? Yes, Christ is born. I just wanted 1658 02:44:52,760 --> 02:44:58,920 to say I'm a former Roman Catholic. And as soon as I saw this, 1659 02:45:01,239 --> 02:45:05,399 I read the entire document because I knew people would just be reread the 1660 02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:07,520 document. No, no, no, you haven't read the document. Well 1661 02:45:07,559 --> 02:45:11,680 I read the document and I'm not retarded. And it says too blessed a 1662 02:45:11,840 --> 02:45:18,520 sodomy. I just you know, I don't understand how Catholics can't read that 1663 02:45:18,879 --> 02:45:24,360 in plain language, and it's lying. And doesn't this illustrate, by the 1664 02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:30,120 way, that evidentialism isn't true. I mean, here's the evidence, hawk 1665 02:45:30,120 --> 02:45:35,159 com everybody isn't clearly interpreting the clear meaning of the passage. Right. It 1666 02:45:35,559 --> 02:45:41,719 also gives credence to like the Western heresy of gradualism, right, And I 1667 02:45:41,799 --> 02:45:48,000 mean it's pretty powerful because I'm suspecting maybe here in a year it will probably 1668 02:45:48,079 --> 02:45:52,760 be full blown homosexual marriage. Now that's my schizo theory. But I mean 1669 02:45:52,799 --> 02:45:56,120 they did the same thing for quote communion in the hand, they did the 1670 02:45:56,200 --> 02:46:01,200 same thing for quote older women, Well, we have altered girls, which 1671 02:46:01,280 --> 02:46:05,000 is the preparation for female deacons. Deacon Essa's right, yeah, and that's 1672 02:46:05,040 --> 02:46:09,879 the preparation for female priests. I also saw your show on predictive programming on 1673 02:46:09,920 --> 02:46:15,200 avoiding Babylon, and this is, in my opinion, like the predictive programming 1674 02:46:15,360 --> 02:46:20,200 of the Roman see I mean, if that makes sense. Yeah, I 1675 02:46:20,280 --> 02:46:24,920 think they throw ideas out to test the waters and see how far they can 1676 02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:28,639 go. And actually, actually Tim did an entire stream on incrementalism and he's 1677 02:46:28,680 --> 02:46:31,840 totally nail. He's absolutely spot on. Yeah, absolutely, And if there's 1678 02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:39,319 any Catholics here who I mean are still coping that Catholic who whoever that was, 1679 02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:43,840 who completely dismantled the you know, the the grammar theory. I mean, 1680 02:46:43,920 --> 02:46:48,719 he did such a good job on proving that the document reads in plain 1681 02:46:48,760 --> 02:46:54,760 English, and you know, the verbiage used is very clear. Yeah, 1682 02:46:54,799 --> 02:46:58,639 it's Tim Gordon, who's the buddy of ours, who is basically, along 1683 02:46:58,680 --> 02:47:03,520 with a waiting Babylon, about the only Roman Catholics that we can still interact 1684 02:47:03,639 --> 02:47:07,879 with of it. We haven't completely run off or whatever. So I you 1685 02:47:07,920 --> 02:47:11,079 know, I appreciate them, and I like, on a personal level Tim 1686 02:47:11,159 --> 02:47:13,040 quite a bit. He's really cool. Yeah, we fung out in person. 1687 02:47:15,360 --> 02:47:18,319 But there's the full video if you guys want to watch Tim's full discussion 1688 02:47:18,479 --> 02:47:24,399 of the the incrementalism that the guy's talking about. So any other points I 1689 02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:28,680 appreciate that. Yeah, no, no, no, none other God bless 1690 02:47:28,719 --> 02:47:33,920 me man. Good, thank you you as well. Bones. What's up, 1691 02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:46,159 Bones? I'm you hey, Jay, thanks for having me on, 1692 02:47:46,559 --> 02:47:54,399 Sir. I just I kind of debased the Roman Catholics online rather frequently, 1693 02:47:54,479 --> 02:47:58,760 actually, and one of their biggest arguments against the Orthodox Church is that it's 1694 02:47:58,799 --> 02:48:05,120 autocephalus, and they're trying to make autocephally akin to Protestantism. They're trying to 1695 02:48:05,159 --> 02:48:07,879 be like, oh, you're basically well, that's awesome, because that's the 1696 02:48:07,959 --> 02:48:11,719 great one of the greatest owns that you could ever have, because they don't 1697 02:48:11,719 --> 02:48:18,319 even know that autocephalosy comes out of the Council of Ephesus. Really, oh 1698 02:48:18,440 --> 02:48:24,600 yeah, So that's how dumb they are. They think that that would then 1699 02:48:24,760 --> 02:48:28,479 mean that the Council of ephicis taught Protestanism, so that's a great So they're 1700 02:48:28,559 --> 02:48:33,000 just owning themselves, right, yeah, yeah, I always thought that was 1701 02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:37,600 ridiculous that and I also tried to use your argument that I watched in your 1702 02:48:37,840 --> 02:48:43,719 debate with Nick Flint, is about the Old Testament Church is being a decentralized 1703 02:48:43,920 --> 02:48:48,319 unit and kind of what Christ wanted in the church going forward, and they 1704 02:48:48,440 --> 02:48:50,680 just they think that that's ridiculous and they're like, oh, well there was 1705 02:48:50,799 --> 02:48:54,639 kings in the Old Testament. I'm like, what what does that have to 1706 02:48:54,680 --> 02:48:58,360 do with the I don't know. Yeah, well, they just think everything's 1707 02:48:58,360 --> 02:49:01,680 fulfilled in the pope because the religion basically is the religion of the pope. 1708 02:49:01,799 --> 02:49:07,719 So, as you can go read about Council of Ephesus, autocephalasy autocephaly of 1709 02:49:07,840 --> 02:49:15,440 the Church of Cyprus was granted at the third Ecamenical Council of Ephesus. The 1710 02:49:15,559 --> 02:49:22,440 Jerusalem Church was declared a patriarchate and autocephalus at quintessext and this is also accepted 1711 02:49:22,479 --> 02:49:26,280 in the canons of the six Ecmenical So two Econmical councils recognized autocephalus churches. 1712 02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:31,479 And they don't even know that. They're completely ignorant they because they just think 1713 02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:35,120 everything is about the pope. So yeah, classic, that's a classic m 1714 02:49:35,639 --> 02:49:39,520 thank you m Jason to be the last one that we got to go. 1715 02:49:50,200 --> 02:49:54,600 Yes, sir, all right. I just wanted to ask, so, 1716 02:49:54,840 --> 02:49:58,879 Okay, have you read that new or maybe it's something of the article of 1717 02:50:00,040 --> 02:50:05,799 of what the bartholowing me, the hecy medical patriarch has been saying about Constantinople. 1718 02:50:07,280 --> 02:50:11,479 No, but I'm guessing that he says something about the concept of being 1719 02:50:11,559 --> 02:50:28,079 like a pope. Hello, are you there? Well, I guess he's 1720 02:50:28,239 --> 02:50:41,120 gone beardy. What's up beardy? Last one gotta gotta un mute beardy. 1721 02:50:43,600 --> 02:50:48,879 Yeah, thanks for bringing us on. Appreciate it, Jay. I wanted 1722 02:50:48,879 --> 02:50:52,479 to bring up what Michael Knowles was saying. So he just agrees with you. 1723 02:50:54,399 --> 02:51:03,319 He says that the the so called blessing is is outside of the we'll 1724 02:51:03,360 --> 02:51:11,680 say this spiritual inner circle of the church, outside of the spiritual inner circle. 1725 02:51:11,799 --> 02:51:15,799 Okay, So he didn't use those words. I'm sorry, I'm paraphrasing. 1726 02:51:16,280 --> 02:51:18,840 I don't actually remember exactly what he said, but I don't know if 1727 02:51:18,840 --> 02:51:22,760 you watched his little borb on it. No, I don't keep up with 1728 02:51:22,840 --> 02:51:26,239 these people. I did ask him to debate, though, and it was 1729 02:51:26,280 --> 02:51:35,239 all of course ignored. Yeah, so I mean he's basically saying that the 1730 02:51:35,440 --> 02:51:43,319 so called blessing is for people that are not professing Christians, you know, 1731 02:51:43,479 --> 02:51:48,079 that aren't part of the Catholic Church. Total baloney. I think so too, 1732 02:51:48,760 --> 02:51:52,799 total one, because the same blessing was asked for people in the church 1733 02:51:54,360 --> 02:51:58,719 in the twenty twenty one document very clearly, and Michael often even pointed out 1734 02:51:58,760 --> 02:52:03,719 that the same question asked and by the German bishops who are trying to do 1735 02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:07,520 blessings of people in the church. Of course, I mean this is just 1736 02:52:07,639 --> 02:52:13,520 sophistry that they use because these people are salesman. So yeah, I mean 1737 02:52:13,440 --> 02:52:20,559 that's that's I will give them a point for the creative attempts here to act 1738 02:52:20,719 --> 02:52:24,040 like to act like these are people called outside the church. Give me a 1739 02:52:24,079 --> 02:52:31,680 freaking break. Everybody knows that this is about blessings from the bishops and the 1740 02:52:31,799 --> 02:52:39,879 priests towards people who will come to how many non Catholic. First of all, 1741 02:52:39,959 --> 02:52:45,799 it doesn't make any sense anyway that the priests can bless people outside of 1742 02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:48,799 the church. As a same sex couple, that doesn't even make any sense. 1743 02:52:48,280 --> 02:52:52,120 Secondly, it's not for people outside the church, because this is not 1744 02:52:52,239 --> 02:52:58,319 some giant scandal where millions of gay couples are rushing to roam to Novasorto priests 1745 02:52:58,600 --> 02:53:01,159 to get blessed outside of the church. Church. Everyone knows this is an 1746 02:53:01,159 --> 02:53:07,120 attempt to bring in skittled marriage. It's clear as that, well, what 1747 02:53:07,239 --> 02:53:13,719 it is is grooming. It's prepping for the next stage, because it's incrementalism. 1748 02:53:13,559 --> 02:53:20,360 So I mean, that's just that's just another example of sophistry. But 1749 02:53:20,799 --> 02:53:26,840 thank you for that last one. We don't really have time for anymore BMX 1750 02:53:26,959 --> 02:53:31,719 since twenty bucks, Thank you so much, BMX. Catholic becoming Orthodox. 1751 02:53:31,799 --> 02:53:35,319 There we go. That's a nice name. One dollar. Robertson Jenas says 1752 02:53:35,319 --> 02:53:39,719 that the Church fathers agreed about a geocentric universe and that if you deny at 1753 02:53:39,799 --> 02:53:45,479 least to a foundation of atheism, does Orthodoxy generally believe in this. I 1754 02:53:45,520 --> 02:53:48,959 don't think there is any general Orthodox statement on this. I think that you're 1755 02:53:48,040 --> 02:53:52,959 free to believe either of these positions. And I don't have any problems saying, 1756 02:53:52,000 --> 02:53:56,239 you know, I'm sure there are good arguments for geocentrism. Sat Herman 1757 02:53:56,280 --> 02:54:00,520 of Alaska ten dollars jay I was baptized and receiving in the church a Nativity. 1758 02:54:01,959 --> 02:54:03,920 Thank you. You helped bring me out of atheism and you led me 1759 02:54:03,959 --> 02:54:07,479 into the church. So thanks, thank you. Glad to hear that Chase 1760 02:54:07,520 --> 02:54:13,520 Haggard three dollars. He waited each piece of evidence in the analysis. Oh, 1761 02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:20,920 he's a Chase's talking about the Bayesian quick books. So it was an 1762 02:54:20,040 --> 02:54:26,639 arbitrary spreadsheet waited on his presuppositions, classical foundationalist moment exactly, Fumpel three dollars. 1763 02:54:28,520 --> 02:54:35,879 Honestly, imagine Michael Lofton defending the election of a child pope. Of 1764 02:54:35,959 --> 02:54:39,879 course he would right, So if the Roman College voted and accepted the Joffrey 1765 02:54:39,920 --> 02:54:43,280 as pope, they would have to go with it. Fumple three dollars. 1766 02:54:45,000 --> 02:54:50,600 Is there a Bayesian argument for orthodoxy? No, but good question, Punky 1767 02:54:50,719 --> 02:54:56,159 Dennis five dollars. Jay Catholics are always droning on about it only counts off 1768 02:54:56,159 --> 02:55:00,120 its ex cathedral. Vatican One teacher that they have to submit to things an 1769 02:55:00,120 --> 02:55:03,319 outside of excothed exactly, it's called ordinary magisterium. So where do this ExCathedra 1770 02:55:03,440 --> 02:55:07,040 come from? Well, I mean there is a doctrine that the pope has 1771 02:55:07,120 --> 02:55:11,719 the ability to pronounce doctrines ex Cathedra if he chooses to. So that's sort 1772 02:55:11,760 --> 02:55:16,239 of like this thing he has as like his backup right, but that's for 1773 02:55:16,559 --> 02:55:24,520 supposedly extreme or extraordinary circumstances. Who even knows when that is. But you 1774 02:55:24,639 --> 02:55:30,639 see it's clear. It's it's never laid out as to what the exact instances 1775 02:55:30,680 --> 02:55:33,440 are, and it's I believe it's left vague on purpose, because if you 1776 02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:37,479 leave it vague on purpose, this allows the papacy to have this ultimate kind 1777 02:55:37,479 --> 02:55:43,239 of bait and switched thing to where it can always be interchangeably dogmatic or not 1778 02:55:43,399 --> 02:55:50,000 dogmatic as the situation calls for. So if they need to say something retroactively, 1779 02:55:50,280 --> 02:55:54,159 oh well that wasn't a dogmatic definition, does it appears to contradict? 1780 02:55:54,360 --> 02:55:58,280 Oh well, then you see it wasn't dogmatic. So it's dogmatic when it 1781 02:55:58,399 --> 02:56:01,159 needs to be, is what that amounts to. So you're absolutely correct, 1782 02:56:01,520 --> 02:56:05,360 doctor Badges at one dollar. The Pope consulted the church fathers, and TD 1783 02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:09,719 Jakes and P Diddy agree with his decree as long as Alexander Soros is officiating 1784 02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:16,399 the blessings. Another creative attempt to maybe give an account of what's going on, 1785 02:56:16,600 --> 02:56:20,440 Thank you so much, doctor badgetself, Frankie E ten dollars. So 1786 02:56:20,799 --> 02:56:24,079 we can all then just go to mosque's bower a head and say that secretly 1787 02:56:24,120 --> 02:56:28,760 we're praying to Jesus and not Allah. And if this is the case, 1788 02:56:28,799 --> 02:56:31,479 then how come all the early Christians didn't do this when they were being martyred? 1789 02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:33,520 Exactly. Yeah, they could have just said, oh, I'm just 1790 02:56:33,639 --> 02:56:39,079 praying secretly to Jesus, not to Zeus sort of the Roman emperor. Yeah, 1791 02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:43,399 we would have never had any martyrs exactly, because everybody knows that this 1792 02:56:43,559 --> 02:56:46,239 is maloney. Gary twenty five dollars, think it's much gre Ricky five dollars. 1793 02:56:46,280 --> 02:56:48,639 Pope slayers will go all the way until they eventually have to defend the 1794 02:56:48,639 --> 02:56:52,959 blessings of the Skittle's marriage. Yeah, and then it'll go on into I 1795 02:56:52,040 --> 02:56:56,639 mean, the floodgates have been opened. Pandora's box is open. And the 1796 02:56:56,920 --> 02:57:01,680 area where I disagree with Tim is that thinks that some conservative band of cardinals 1797 02:57:03,040 --> 02:57:07,559 will be able to like come together maybe and like stop Francis, I don't 1798 02:57:07,559 --> 02:57:15,360 think so, Siggy five dollars Catholic. Uh is that Muslim youth marriage? 1799 02:57:15,360 --> 02:57:18,719 I guess? Uh? When will that happen. Well, who knows. 1800 02:57:18,760 --> 02:57:22,440 I guess the floodgates have been open, right, tag Hua three dollars. 1801 02:57:22,159 --> 02:57:28,479 There's no definitive definitive teach Excuse me if there's no definitive list of infallible teachings. 1802 02:57:28,559 --> 02:57:31,319 This is illuminating. Creating a document would be too strong of a claim, 1803 02:57:33,120 --> 02:57:37,639 just like some sort of new Biblical revelation. It's better to just have 1804 02:57:37,760 --> 02:57:39,600 a vague do it yourself, and fallibility exactly as the point I was just 1805 02:57:39,639 --> 02:57:46,639 making exactly. Thus, Roman Catholics would lack Roman cause also then lacks the 1806 02:57:46,799 --> 02:57:50,360 courage of its own convictions. Sometimes I'm very bad at reading super chats, 1807 02:57:50,360 --> 02:57:54,479 and I kind of miss stuff. And somebody got mad the other day because 1808 02:57:54,479 --> 02:57:56,840 I thought I was skipping their super chat. Sometimes I skip them because there's 1809 02:57:56,879 --> 02:58:00,959 just a small window of what I can see. So if a bunch of 1810 02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:03,079 them commit at once and you scroll a little bit, it scrolls past a 1811 02:58:03,159 --> 02:58:07,719 bunch of them, And if somebody walks in, or if I get distracted, 1812 02:58:07,879 --> 02:58:11,280 I might miss a super chat, or I might miss half of it 1813 02:58:11,399 --> 02:58:13,440 if it's a long one or something like. It's not I'm not doing it 1814 02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:18,440 on purpose. Sometimes I'm in a hurry sometimes I get distracted, So any 1815 02:58:18,520 --> 02:58:20,799 people that I missed your super jazz, forgive me. I'm not doing it 1816 02:58:20,879 --> 02:58:26,879 on purpose. Remember, you can subscribe and go to the shop at the 1817 02:58:26,879 --> 02:58:31,000 website get the books at Jason Elsion dot com. We have in my Big 1818 02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:37,040 Red Book there's actually about three hundred pages critiquing Rome Catholicism, so that's not 1819 02:58:37,479 --> 02:58:39,840 I mean the book six hundred pages, but about two or three hundred of 1820 02:58:39,879 --> 02:58:43,879 its critiquing Rome, about two hundred of it critiquing Protestant stuff, and then 1821 02:58:43,959 --> 02:58:46,680 geopolitical philosophical essays in the Red Book. You can get that in the shop 1822 02:58:46,719 --> 02:58:54,239 at Jasonelsis dot com, as well as all my other books, and be 1823 02:58:54,319 --> 02:58:58,040 sure and subscribe to Jamie as well. Heading over to Rockfinn all of our 1824 02:58:58,079 --> 02:59:01,319 great buddies and friends over at rockfinn dot com. Also, Tristan and I 1825 02:59:01,440 --> 02:59:05,520 will be streaming this week. We've chosen an amusing little ditty known as Stepford 1826 02:59:05,600 --> 02:59:13,319 Wives. We thought that would be a fun feminist film which oddly has a 1827 02:59:13,360 --> 02:59:16,719 bunch of m K ultra stuff and it you think you're watching some kind of 1828 02:59:16,760 --> 02:59:20,079 conspiracy m culture thing, and then it turns into this like total feminist propaganda 1829 02:59:20,120 --> 02:59:26,600 thing. So we will be deconstructing Stepford Wives, the original movie. I 1830 02:59:26,600 --> 02:59:30,799 don't know if we're gonna do the stupid remake one with Ferris Buehler, but 1831 02:59:31,639 --> 02:59:37,079 there is the an Ai Pope might actually do better than Francis. People are 1832 02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:39,360 dissing an Ai. I think we make it. Actually, I should have 1833 02:59:39,440 --> 02:59:46,639 an Ai Pope anyway. Subscribe to me over on Rock fin as well as 1834 02:59:46,760 --> 02:59:50,559 all of our buddies and friends over there, and look for the upcoming stream 1835 02:59:50,600 --> 02:59:50,000 this week with