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and welcome. It is that time
again, Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are

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etcetera, etcetera. Today is Wednesday, August thirtieth, two thousand twenty three,

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so nice to have you all with
me. A quick a programming note

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about today's show. It is Wednesday, which usually means I get to spend

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the first hour with my favorite conservative
via Skype, of course, Eric Pilcher

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from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. And
he also does the classic film reviews on

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Fridays for us. But unfortunately Eric
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committed. Uh no, he's not
on John Hopwood's show. No, he's

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got something else he has to do, so so he is sadly not able

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to join us today. In fact, I don't have a guest, so

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With Eric's absence today, I had some

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other things I was I'd figured,
well, you know, I've got things

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that we haven't gotten to yet this
week that are in the news that I'd

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like to talk about. And usually
when I have a show where it's just

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me, we sort of catch up
on things. And then I heard something

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earlier today that I want to talk
about that I heard on somebody else's radio

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show. But this bit of news
has not yet sort of filtered its way

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through the media sphere, if you
will. So this isn't anything that's been

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widely reported. But I heard someone
talking about it, someone you know,

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with the credentials, So it's not
like it's some fringe blogger or something.

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An actual, very accomplished a journalists
talking about this. And I said,

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oh, that's interesting, and it
has to do with the twenty twenty four

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election, and it may not be
the rematch that we've been dreading after all.

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And you might say, Matt,
not the rematch we've been dreading.

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So are you saying someone might actually
have a shot at taking out Trump?

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No, I firmly believe still that
Trump will be the Republican nominee. It's

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on the Democratic ticket that there might
be a change. But again, this

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isn't something that's really kind of made
its way through. If you google this,

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you won't find anything really recent,
but I would imagine by this time

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tomorrow you will. So I've given
you a little teaser there. We will

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get to it. We'll get to
all of it today, and we have

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some other things as well. But
I was quite stunned at what I heard

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earlier. But before we get into
that, I do want to say hello

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everybody in the Facebook live chat let's
see. Charles Richardson joins us in there

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and says, greetings everybody, Charles. I hope you and your family are

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safe. Charles is of course in
Florida, and I don't know if you

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all have heard, but they've had
quite the hurricane and a pretty a pretty

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severe one. So obviously I assume
you're you and your family are safe if

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you're in the chat room, Charles, but I hope everything's good there,

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or as good as it can be
under the circumstances. Melanie La Liberty also

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joins us in the chat room from
the great state of Vermont. Hello,

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Jenny is in the chat room,
of course, and says shalom peeps.

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Charles says greetings from the great wet
state of Florida. Yes. Indeed,

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Charles also said too black, too
bad the hurricane didn't blow away to Santis.

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Although I will say this, and
I'm no fan of Ron de Santis

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myself, however, I do recall
the last time you guys had a hurricane,

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a pretty severe hurricane, he got
generally, from what I could perceive,

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he got generally high marks for his
handling of the of the clean up

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afterward, and it may present who
was it. I think it was Ram

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Emmanuel who said never never let a
good crisis go to waste, or something

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to that effect. Ram Emmanuel,
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staff at the beginning of his presidency, and also the former mayor of Chicago

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and so forth. But so,
in thinking about that, if de Santis

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also Garner's high marks for his handling
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this natural disaster, if you will, that might actually help him somewhat in

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his race for the presidency. Well
and again no, not really, because

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it's going to be Trump. Miriam
Banish joins us in the Chatirman says,

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oh, I'm thinking about it.
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that, hadn't played that in a
little bit dark Brandon's think about what you'd

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think about by the remix bros.
And before that we played some Randy Rainbow

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don't arraign on his parade. Hans
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and says, Sup, Matt,
Sup, Hans, So welcome everybody.

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Charles says, we did not get
the brunt of it like last year,

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just forty to fifty mile per hour
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coastal flooding, but nothing like last
year. Oh that's good, that's good.

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Yeah, I saw some on the
news today. I saw some pretty

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severe flooding. And you know,
there's always those people who want to ride

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it out too, and they don't. They don't leave when they're told to

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evacuate. And you really should if
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told to, because what happens is
I heard someone speaking about this earlier,

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is that very often people in places
like Florida, where you get a lot

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of these hurricanes, if they've been
through multiple hurricanes, if they've lived in

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Florida a long time, maybe they
grew up there, they get a little

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bit complacent and they say, oh, I'm just gonna ride it out.

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I'm just gonna ride it out.
You know, I've been through this before.

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It's no big deal, doesn't phase
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Well I guess i'd say that more
in Texas and Florida. Well, not

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my first hurricane. But but then
what happens is people say, you know,

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people don't leave when they're told to
evacuate, and then they end up

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oftentimes dead. So it's a good
idea to uh. I know, sometimes

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people think that, you know,
it's like pro freedom and pro liberty to

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do the opposite of whatever the government
tells you. And that's been on my

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mind today too because of another subject
that I don't even want to get into

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talking about today. But but no, sometimes when the government tells you something,

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it really is for your own good. You know, like when there's

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a huge hurricane coming toward you and
the government says you should evacuate. Yeah,

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go ahead and go ahead and evacuate. They're not They're not telling you

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to evacuate because as some sort of
weird conspiracy against you to try to control

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you. They're telling you to evacuate
so you don't end up, you know,

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dead, because all that freedom and
liberty isn't gonna help you much when

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you're dead. Scott Robinson says in
the chat room, being dead can really

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put a wrench in your plans.
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you know, for example, that's
I'm glad you brought that up,

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Scott. For example, if I
were dead, I probably wouldn't be doing

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this radio show. I mean,
I don't know how I would even get

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here. You know, if I
were dead, I'd probably have to figure

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out a way to send an email
or maybe text Peter and just say,

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hey, I'm not going to be
You might have to run a best of

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today I'm you know, I'm dead. I'm not even sure how that would

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work. I've never thought about it. I don't have a contingency plan,

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Jenny says in the chat room.
Also, it means EMS and fire don't

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have to risk their lives to save
you. Yeah, that's true. That's

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another reason why when they tell you
to evacuate, you should evacuate so that

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you don't get into a position where
where emergency services first responders have to try

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to come get you and uh and
risk themselves to do that, and uh,

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yeah, it's it's not helpful.
So anyway, six three two five

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six seven six zero three two five
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intended to talk about today, but
I will because I think this is very

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interesting. So, oh, Carol
Zawarrowitz is in the Facebook lap chat.

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Hello Carol. She says, my
daughter and husband are safe in Florida and

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my son is stuck in Nashville because
they closed all the bridges in Savannah,

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Georgia. Ah, yes, and
of course yeah, other states are affected

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by this too. Oh and Eric
Pilcher says, sorry, I'm not on

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today, peeps. Well, we
shall miss you, sir, but it's

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nice to see you in the Facebook
lap chat. Today I was listening to

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Michael Smerconish. And if you're not
familiar with Michael Smerconish, he is a

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longtime broadcaster. Actually, he's had
quite a career. He worked in politics.

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He worked in the George H.
W. Bush administration. He but

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eventually, you know, like a
lot of people who work in politics to

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he transitioned into broadcasting and he's he
has a radio show. He also he's

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done a lot of television. He
used to fill in years ago. This

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was when I first kind of became
aware of him. He would fill in

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occasionally for Chris Matthews on Hardball when
he was working hard Time at MSNBC.

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And now he has a weekend show
on CNN. But but he also has

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his radio show that runs during the
week and I try to catch it when

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I can. And Smurkanish, I've
I've always liked him. He's probably the

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closest thing you'll find to a genuine
centrist in political talk radio, and he's

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not. He tells you what he
thinks, but he's he doesn't go out

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of his way necessarily he to tell
you what he thinks. He tries to

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have open, free and open discussion, much like I try to do here

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with this show. But but I
probably go out of my way to let

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you know what I think a little
bit more than Smirkanish does. I think

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he holds some back, but he
and I believe, if I'm not mistaken,

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he's an independent, but he used
to be. I think he used

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to be a Republican if I have
his story straight from what I've read about

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him, he was a Republican,
but then during the George W. Bush

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administration because he worked for Bush Senior. But during the administration he was very

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bothered with the foreign policy approach that
that administration took and decided to no longer

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be a Republican, but to become
an independent. If I'm not mistaken anyway,

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Just so little background if you're not
familiar with Michael smerconish, but he

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has a lot of really great guests
on and a lot of fellow journalists and

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so forth. Well, today he
had Mark Halperin on his show, Now,

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Mark Halperin. If you're not familiar
with him, and I'm sure some

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of you are, he's pretty well
known, and he's he was a fixture

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on cable news quite a bit.
He worked for NBC News for a long

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time, and you'd see him regularly
on MSNBC. He's worked a lot with

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Mark I'm sorry, John Hilman,
who still is a fixture on MSNBC,

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and they've written books together, and
they had that show on Showtime called The

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Circus and which is obviously about politics. But halper In was fired from NBC

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News number of years ago because of
sexual harassment allegations, and so ever since

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then he's been trying to kind of
publicly rehabilitate himself and work his way back.

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He also recently was a part of
No Labels, that organization which one

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of these days, who knows,
maybe we'll get to it today, even

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one of these days we need to
do a segment on No Labels. I

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have a lot of feelings about that, some conflicting feelings. Actually, I'm

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conflicted about how I feel about No
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though, But that's another subject,
but then he left no labels,

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he's no longer affiliated with that group. So anyway, I'm just part of

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why I'm telling you all of that
about Mark Halperin though, is in case

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you don't know who he is.
I just want you to understand when I

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share what I'm about to share of
what he shared with Michael Smerconish live on

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the radio today. I just want
everyone to understand that this isn't coming from

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you know, just some ringe want
to be journalist who has a website or

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something and puts out crazy theories.
This is a guy, Mark Halperin,

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who is well connected and has legitimate
news sources and so forth. And I

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don't think he would have said what
he said today which I'm about to share

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with you did he not have sources
that he was confident in. And again

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this is not unless you listen to
Smirkanish's show. You probably don't know about

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this because it hasn't made its way
yet through the media sphere. I do

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believe by this time tomorrow a lot
more people will be talking about it.

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But here's what he said, and
there's a whole discussion that came out of

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what he said initially. But what
he said to Smerconish was that he has

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sources. Halperin has sources, high
level sources. He didn't name who they

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are, of course, can't do
that or they wouldn't talk to him again.

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But he has high level sources close
to President Biden who are telling him

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that Biden is actually reconsidering his run
for a second term and that he may

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back out. I was very surprised
to hear that. Now, if you

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are a regular listener, you know
my feelings. I often talk about how

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twenty twenty four is going to be. It looks like the rematch that nobody

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wants. On the Republican side,
you've got, you know, you've got

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that what thirty five to forty percent, that core base of the party that

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is ride or die for Trump.
You know, maga people, they're very

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excited about Trump. But then you've
got that other sixty percent that would like

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an alternative and are ready to move
on from Trump. But the forty percent

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is going to win out because among
that sixty percent, you know, the

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support that the candidates that they're interested
in, you know, that disperses over

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a range of the field of Republican
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so it's most likely going to be
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sixty percent would rather have somebody else. On the Democratic side, recent polling

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has shown seventy percent roughly seventy percent
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Joe Biden. They want Biden to
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to move on from Biden, largely
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is interesting. The key concern on
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will, is different with Trump.
It's concerned about how, look, he's

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got four criminal indictments against him.
That makes him a phenomenal That makes a

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that makes for a phenomenal Uh,
makes him a phenomenal potential nominee, right

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because he's managed to convince that MAGA
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for them, and he's going through
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know, he's effectively martyring himself and
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be the nominee. I'm convinced of
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other sixty percent that's going, well, that's gonna yeah. Uh, the

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forty percent is thrilled, but we
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not looking forward to our nominee losing
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make him a great nominee, makes
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or even you know, moderate suburban
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twenty for whatever various reasons they were
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mm, well, you know I
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now that he's got four criminal indictments, giving him a second look, I

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think you know that's not going to
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majority that doesn't want Trump, it's
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the other baggage too. I'm sure, I'm sure you know, while many

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of them they will tell you,
you know, the vindictiveness, and you

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know, he doesn't really talk about
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twenty twenty election. And all the
victimhood and all that. But on the

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left side of the Ledger, it's
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there are other issues that flow from
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Williamson, who is also challenging for
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last week here in studio with us, she even said, you know,

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she pointed out Biden's recent comments in
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known for being able to project empathy, but sometimes he screws it up and

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again, well, you know,
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to the people there he was speaking
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relate to them. I kind of
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a fire comes and forget exactly how
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we had a fire at one of
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corvette and my cat, and uh, you know, it's just't it didn't

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go over well. And I said
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that a product of his age?
Because I asked her, I said flat

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out, I said, look,
it's an indelicate question, but is Biden

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too old? And she didn't want
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she pretty much answered it implicitly when
she she's the one who brought up Biden's

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comments and MAUI, and then I
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of his age? Because I don't
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old man is going to say something
like that. Again, I hate to

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be agist, but it's unavoidable.
It's unavoidable. That's an eighty year old

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man, seventy year old Biden,
even seventy five year old Biden. I

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don't think would have been standing there
with that microphone in his hand going.

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I understand, you know, I
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don't think that would have happened.
I think he's you know, he's old.

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I mean, I'm sorry, and
I know some people don't like it,

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and it's uncomfortable. I understand it's
uncomfortable. Look, nobody wants to

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have to have that conversation with grandpa, right. This happens in many families,

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and sometimes there's family arguments over who's
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it, Who's going to be the
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look, I think it's I think
it's time you gotta give me your

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car keys. You can't drive anymore. It's just time, and nobody wants

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to be the one to do that
because it's uncomfortable and Grandpa's feelings are going

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to be hurt. The only problem
is if you don't, if somebody doesn't

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step up and have that conversation with
Grandpa because it's uncomfortable or because you just

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don't want to be agist and you're
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going to feel guilty. That's fine. But when you get a call one

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day the grandpa got a little confused
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break and drove into the front door
of a seven to eleven, then you're

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gonna wish you had had that conversation. You're gonna wish you could go back

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in time and maybe be the one
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And listen. I'm not saying Biden
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I'm just saying he shouldn't see seek
a second term. That's all. Just

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like with Grandpa. I'm not saying
you have to take Grandpa's keys right now.

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I'm saying, you know, if
his license is expiring, maybe sometime,

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you know, next year, maybe
you'd tell him, Hey, why

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don't you just let this one expire? And then that'll be it, you

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know what I'm saying. But I
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where the media is now I've seen
examples where they're they're not being as polite

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about it. Now. I don't
have the clip ready, I didn't.

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I didn't think of it until now. I didn't remember it until now.

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But Jay Tapper on CNN he had
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and and he's asking her, you
know, he said to her, Look,

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people are worried about the president's age. And that's a little bit of

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a shift. Usually the media tries
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not the graveyard, and the whistle
pass the assisted living facilities. Should I

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say it that way? But I
think that's that's shifting. Melody in the

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chat room says, oh, just
say it. You hate old people.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, listen, it

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it is about age, and it's
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again I think that Look, I
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the right or the left, no
matter who you support or don't like.

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I think that we can benefit from
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we keep electing older and older presidents, maybe maybe at this point, maybe

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the Overton window has moved in terms
of what we consider youthful. I mean

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again, I feel like at this
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whipper snapper, fresh faced, you
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sixty five. He seems like a
kid compared to I mean, you know,

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that makes him fifteen years younger than
Joe Biden. Oh my god.

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You know, but when we've had
in the past, when we've had younger

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presidents, there has been I've noticed
a sort of sense of it does have

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a positive effect. I think,
you know, when Bill Clinton was elected,

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I remember hearing a lot of that, A lot was made of that

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alwa's young, He's he's in his
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might be a good thing, that
might give us a little boost, especially

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when part of why Bill Clinton was
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the recession we were in, and
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I'm sure, I mean this was
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was elected you know, another another
one only in his mid forties, you

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know. And and of course people
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some people thought he might be too
young. But now I got us through

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the Cuban missile crisis, So turns
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right, So so I think there's
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you know. I mean, there's
a lot to be said for wisdom

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and experience too. But man,
he's not I mean, I'm sorry,

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but he's he's not looking to spry. Scott Robinson in the chat says,

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I heard the sources Rudy Giuliani.
There's some some news and he just sent

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me Giuliani. We'll probably get to
it later. Juliani's been he lost a

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civil suit over his defaming of in
Georgia. I'm forgetting their names now,

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Shay Moss and Ruby Freeman. Yes, Scott Robinson says, boy that trump

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Shire is one hell of a guy. We should all thank him by sending

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him a cash donation, referring to
Trump's martyrdom. Yes. But so circling

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back to what halper And said today, So halper In claims, and if

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you're just joining us, Mark Halperin
said this to day on Michael Smerconish's radio

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show, that he has high level
sources close to President Joe Biden who are

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saying that Biden is actually quietly but
he is reconsidering his run for a second

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term and may in fact get out
now. That would be fascinating to see

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what happens next. And they did
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And did explore some of that,
and we'll get to that in a moment

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too. I'm trying to you know, I was in the car driving when

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I was listening to this, so
I could couldn't write it down or anything.

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I'm doing this from memory. But
but helper And said, there's a

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specific line of persuasion that people are
using to try to get bied and to

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change his mind. And what they're
what they're saying to him is look,

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this is how they're trying to convince
him. They're saying, Look, your

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legacy is secure. You you were
able to beat Trump in twenty twenty,

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so you got Trump out of there, you got the vaccines distributed, so

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you got us through the pandemic.
We have a growing economy. You know,

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You've passed some So he's got a
few big legislative accomplishments under his belt.

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You got us out of Afghanistan.
Although we're going to come back to

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that. This month is a two
year anniversary of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

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you want to think of it in
terms of, you know, he said

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he'd get us out, and he
got us out again. This is I'm

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talking about what people are saying to
Biden. So they're telling him, look,

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here's your list of accomplishments. Your
legacy is secure, so put it

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in your pocket and let someone else
get in here. Your legacy is secure.

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You can go after this term.
Because what they're also telling him is

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you're taking a hell of a risk
with your legacy if you stick around,

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because if you do run for a
second term and you lose to Trump,

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what will your legacy be? Then
your legacy will be you were the guy

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who beat Trump in twenty twenty only
to hand the White House right back over

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to him four years later. That
will be your legacy, mister president,

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That will be your legacy. And
that is the risk you take. And

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from what Mark Halperin was saying today, that message might actually be getting through

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to him because he is. In
fact, according to him, he says

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he's got high level sources telling him
Biden is reconsidering. Now, then we

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get to and that was the substance
of what halper And had to say,

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the crux of it. But then
he and Smerconish got into a discussion about

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well what will that mean, because
it will be fascinating. Melanie says that

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actually makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I mean, he's risking everything

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if he stays, and he could
lose. Don't think for a second he

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can't lose sit Trump. I know
there's this idea out there among some Democrats,

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by the way, that oh no, you know, Biden, he

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beat Trump once, he'll beat him
again, no problem. If anything,

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this time it will be even easier
because of all the criminal indictments. Remember,

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doesn't go by popular vote. It
goes by the electoral college. That

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can screw you up. So for
you know, just ask Hillary Clinton,

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right, she beat Trump in twenty
sixteen by three million votes, But in

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the end it doesn't matter. We
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even with all of the baggage that
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four criminal indictments. I'd say that's
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even a lot of Republicans don't like
about him. Even with all of that,

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Joe Biden, and you know,
we should mention this too because it

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relates Mitch McConnell. If you didn't
know, it just happened a couple of

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hours ago. Apparently today Mitch McConnell
froze up again for thirty seconds. He

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froze up, and I'll explain how
this relates to Biden. But he froze

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up. He was asked if he
intends to seek reelection at the end of

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his current term, and he froze
up. He locked up, couldn't talk

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for thirty seconds. And Jenny and
I were watching the video of that,

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and I said to Jenny, I
said, well, actually he did answer

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the question by freezing up like that. That answers the question. Not to

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be flipping about it. I'm just
saying, though, that answers the question.

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The answer clearly is no, because
that's the second time, and we

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never got an explanation about the first
time. We still don't know why he

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locked up the first time. How
does that relate to Biden? Biden's only

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one year younger than Mitch McConnell and
Biden. If anything like that happens to

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Joe Biden, can you imagine I've
said this before, if in the middle

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of a debate, say he's debating
Trump and Biden freezes up like that,

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or in the middle of a speech, or even even if it doesn't happen

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publicly, it could happen in private. It could happen in the White House,

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but then it leaks out, it
gets out into the media that had

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happened he's done. Anything like that
happens, He's done. Mike Doyle's online.

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Hey, yeah, you had a

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perfect segue to one of my two
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But the first was the first was
we were talking about age. The

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you know, we're so polar opposite
in our in our politics that you know,

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all the Republicans run to their behive
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their behive when they're in the Senate, in the Congress. That and nobody's

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looking out for the states that they
actually are representing, and we're voted to

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represent and the and nobody wants to
lose one of those numbers in each in

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each haul, you know what I
mean. Let me take, for instance,

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Diane Feinstein. Democrats are crazy worried
about losing her vote. But it's

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been reported in multiple sources that in
a meeting last week or two weeks ago,

407
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she turned to a colleague and said, where am I? Oh?

408
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,799
Yeah, you know what I mean, Mike, there's been there's actually there.

409
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,559
There's actually been a whole bunch of
stories about Feinstein. Yeah, she

410
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:22,240
it is. It is unbelievable that
she's there. She should have resigned.

411
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,559
I mean, how long was she
out because it was months and months right

412
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:30,200
that she was out. Yeah,
she should have she should have resigned when

413
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,759
after being out for a month.
But part of there, there's there's another

414
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:42,200
ulterior motive, though specifically with Feinstein. I think Adam Schiff wants I think

415
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,079
Adam Schiff has something to do with
it. I think he wants her there

416
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:51,319
because if she does resign and Governor
Gavin Newsom has to then appoint somebody,

417
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,640
and a shift is worried about losing
his opportunity to run for that seat.

418
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,519
So I think Schiff wants her sticking
around is part of the problem. And

419
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,279
he obviously has some influence in that, but yeah, she shouldn't. It's

420
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:07,960
it's beyond an excusable and it's actually
cruel. It's cruel to her. She

421
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,079
doesn't even know where she is,
and they and they're propping her up like

422
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,199
weekend at Bernie's. It's really it's
disgusting in so many ways, Mike,

423
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,960
it's awful. Yeah, I agree, I agree, and I'm not that's

424
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,480
not from a writer, it's from
me. Yeah, you're right about cruel.

425
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,440
You see him, you see him
wheeling her down the hallway, and

426
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,880
she's looking around like a my aunt
Disney World. Yeah, you know what

427
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,079
I mean. And and you feel
bad for the lady. She did a

428
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:36,000
lot of good things. You know, she was always considered a staunch Democrat

429
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,840
and a staunch senator, you know
what I mean, and and did probably

430
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,079
over the years many many good things. But now the representation she's getting our

431
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:50,519
giving is probably nil at this point. And just you know, they probably

432
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,599
when it's time for a vote,
they hold up her hand to say,

433
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,800
raise your hand, you know,
and well, you know, probably doesn't

434
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,559
even know what she's voting for.
It. Well, you know, Mike,

435
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,000
as you say that too, It
reminds me, you know, because

436
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:00,760
yeah, she has a hell of
a career, whether you agree with her

437
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,079
or not, a hell of a
career, and that should be her legacy.

438
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,800
But when, but when she but
you know, eventually, when she

439
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,159
passes away. Not to be you
know, again, not to be cold

440
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,039
about it, but let's be honest, when she passes away, for a

441
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,679
lot of people, her legacy will
be, oh yeah, she's the woman

442
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,599
who had to be wheeled around and
didn't didn't know where she was at the

443
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:27,880
end. That will end up being
her legacy. Because of what's happening now

444
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:32,280
and the way they're propping her up. It's it's really sad, it is.

445
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,159
That's too bad, you know what
I mean, right or wrong,

446
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,800
whether you like her politics or not, she put in the service for her

447
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,519
fellow man, and that's that's right, you know what I mean, that's

448
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,400
the right thing. And you're right
if she gets a legacy. She was

449
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,840
a mess down the stretch. But
my second point, you were talking about

450
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:58,400
Biden and running again real quick.
The I don't know if you've heard the

451
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,400
tapes that have come out in the
last two days, but they now have.

452
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:05,920
They're deciding to release some tapes that
they have of Biden talking to Ukraine

453
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,599
officials, and the one they the
one they put out today, at the

454
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,639
very end, it's it's after they
realize, you know, he thought he

455
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,119
could do all this because Hillary was
going to win, and when Trump ended

456
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:22,000
up winning, now he had to
scramble to back covers, you know what,

457
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,199
backside to what all of what all
the money and stuff going on.

458
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,280
And now a tape has come out
where he's telling the Ukraine official, you

459
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,480
better get you better come through with
what your promises were. And at the

460
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:46,480
very end it says you will be
sorry both economically and physically. And I

461
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,320
don't know they've been playing it on
Fox News and stuff, but it's a

462
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:57,039
tape of Biden's kind of threatening Ukraine
officials once Trump. I'd love you to

463
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,639
dig into Biden someday here and it's
his stuff because it's pretty deep. So

464
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,880
I don't you know about running again. I don't think he's gonna make it.

465
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,519
He's going to be in too much
trouble. And even if he does

466
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,000
make it, the amount of scandal
around him that is, you know,

467
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:17,400
smoke. Well, I'm sure turn
off some people independently and on the left,

468
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,119
so I don't think he's going to
do it again. He's too deep

469
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:27,159
into this mess, so I don't
see it. And right now it's kind

470
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,280
of weird. The Democrats don't want
to step nobody's everybody's afraid to step up

471
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,000
and say I'm going to run against
him? And why is that? Well

472
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,559
that why isn't somebody like that?
Yeah, well, that's that's very difficult

473
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,920
because if somebody because it's very very
difficult to unseat and incumbent, and I

474
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,639
mean the closest I've seen to it
in my lifetime and it's still not even

475
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,159
close, is uh, well,
I should I can think of a couple

476
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:58,039
of examples where somebody might have had
had a shot but didn't get really too

477
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:02,119
far, one being Teddy Ken trying
to unsee Jimmy Carter and the other being

478
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,800
uh Pat Buchanan, who came damn
close. I think statistically it was a

479
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,639
tie actually to beating George H.
W. Bush in the New Hampshire primary

480
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,679
in ninety two. But it's it's
it's a risk because whoever does that,

481
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,920
whoever puts really kind of puts their
neck out and tries to do that,

482
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,800
they probably won't be successful. And
then they're going to be a pariah because

483
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:30,519
that within the party, because they'll
be seen as having done damage to Biden

484
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,840
on the way to the general election. It's it's very risky. I mean,

485
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,360
in principle, I agree with you, Mike. I think someone should.

486
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:42,000
I just don't think they will because
from just from a political standpoint,

487
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,960
it's too risky. Yeah, I
understand that's the status quo, but when

488
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,280
you're dealing with somebody that hash the
things going on in some of the scandals

489
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,880
raring around him and his son,
I think I think maybe the Democrats would

490
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,599
say, would pool around the new
guy and say, you know what,

491
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:06,119
you know, if Biden runs again, we have a shot of losing the

492
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,639
election because there's a lot of people
center and left that just don't want the

493
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:14,480
age thing. So if we have
a new guy, wouldn't people surround him

494
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,480
and go, listen, this guy's
got some underneath here. He's stepping up

495
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:21,920
to the plate saying, you know, it's time, it's time for some

496
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,159
younger leadership, you know what I
mean? And there are some good centric

497
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,559
Democrats that that could stand up.
But I guess I know it's it's a

498
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,519
status quo thing. You never do
it. But this is a very interesting

499
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,320
situation, you know what I mean. The guy, the guy's not far

500
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,599
from a wheelchair cognitive cognitively, you
know, we see him struggling in the

501
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,840
news a little bit. I don't
know. I just think that somebody knew

502
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,840
might get that wave of oh good, we got we have an alternative.

503
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,079
Right now, he's kind of screwing
the party saying I'm I'm running for Nobody

504
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,719
else is coming out and nobody else
is getting out there in front of the

505
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,159
PubL saying what they can do for
this country and what they you know,

506
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:07,880
what their principles are, and what's
they're So you know what if Biden waits

507
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,639
till the last minute and a month
before since I'm not running, he's very

508
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,800
doesn't help pademic. Yeah, well, it's like I've said all along,

509
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:20,360
he's very selfish in my opinion,
He's putting himself ahead of everybody else and

510
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000
and it's, uh, it's horrible, but it's it's so it's so hard

511
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,559
though to get you know, I
mean, you see the same thing on

512
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:30,000
the right, you know, I
hear people, I hear some of the

513
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,039
some of the Republicans who really want
to move on from Trump. I often

514
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:39,280
hear complaining about how, you know, if only we could get some of

515
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,000
these other candidates to drop out,
and then if we had one candidate who

516
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,400
was opposing Trump, then maybe that
candidate would have a shot at defeating him

517
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,360
and getting somebody new in there.
But but it's, but it's the same

518
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,960
thing. It's it's so hard to
get people to want to want to do

519
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,559
that, want to take that step. I mean, it's it's it's a

520
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:05,840
it's a different situation, but the
but the core premise is the same.

521
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:13,639
It's really hard to get to that
objective and overcome the status quo. Oh

522
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,159
I agree, yeah, agree,
But yeah, I would think secretly,

523
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:20,800
behind doors, they'd be going good. You know, somebody's gonna I don't

524
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,559
think a lot of Democrats want him
running again. It's just too much.

525
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:27,400
No, No, seventy seven.
The most recent poll that I saw,

526
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:34,119
seventy percent of Democrats do not want
Biden. That, I mean, that's

527
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,960
and I've never seen I don't recall
ever. I mean, again, it's

528
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:43,880
not unheard of for a party to
be unhappy with their incumbent, But seventy

529
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,519
percent, I've never seen anything like
that. But but again, I think

530
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:51,800
if if what Mark Halpern says is
true, then it sounds like that might

531
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,840
be really weighing on him. I
mean, the poor guy. I mean,

532
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,880
you know, seventy percent. You
know, he's got to be going,

533
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,039
jeez, I don't know. I
don't know if I should be doing

534
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,159
this, you know what I mean, if he has any if he has

535
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:09,840
any conscience. Yeah, So,
mathematically, the guy who steps up to

536
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,760
not follow the status quo and say
I'm running and technically gets somewhere around seventy

537
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,679
percent of a vote, if they're
going to stick with their party. To

538
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,320
see what I'm saying, Oh I
do, Yeah, I walks into it.

539
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:30,559
Guy walks into a pretty hard number. Yeah. But there's that machine,

540
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,280
you know, and and the DNC, you know, and the d

541
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,199
n C I'm sure wants to stick
with Biden, because that's just what the

542
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,079
DNC does. They like the status
quo. When we had Mary Ann Williams

543
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,400
and on now, let's let's be
realistic. Mary Ann Williamson, she's running

544
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,559
for the Democratic nomination. She's no
actual threat to Biden whatsoever, but she's

545
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,519
talked about on She didn't get into
it much here, but when I saw

546
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,800
her interview on The Young Turks.
She talked about how the DNC they actually

547
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,360
do consider her a threat because they
mess with her at every opportunity. Like

548
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,079
she's had events planned where she's got
vendors who are going to be at her

549
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,400
campaign event, and then she gets
a call at the last minute from a

550
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,480
vendor saying, oh, sorry,
something came up and we're not going to

551
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,320
be able to We're not gonna be
able to cater your event after all.

552
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,119
And it's like, really, something
came up at the last minute, and

553
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:20,719
she knows, she knows why it's
happening because the DNC, you know,

554
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,760
they put that they put that boot
on your neck if you even dare challenge

555
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,880
the front. Look at what they
did to Hillary when when it looked like

556
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,559
Bernie, when it looked like Bernie
Sanders might actually take her down. And

557
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,280
I should say, look what they
did to Bernie, rather look what they

558
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,320
did for it. I was going
to say that the Bie, right,

559
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,679
Yeah, I mean they you know, they they screwed with him at every

560
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,480
opportunity because he was a threatned Hillary
was a status quo candidate. Yeah,

561
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,800
you know what, you know what
I found amazing is all I hear about

562
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,039
Williamson. And I really never looked
her up because she's a Democrat. But

563
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:57,440
but you hear a lot of people
calling her at kouk and I listened to

564
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,079
her. I listened to the full
interview on the show, and she was

565
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:04,880
everything but a kop. Yeah,
it was hitting on all the topics that,

566
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,400
you know, helping out people in
the street, helping out homeless,

567
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,559
helping people who can't afford heat help. You know, I'm like, great,

568
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,280
that's good, that's perfect, that's
good. You know, I'm sitting

569
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,960
there going where are these people calling
her a kuk? And I don't know

570
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,000
if that's a DNC or not,
but yeah, well I know I know

571
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:25,039
where that came from originally, because
if you she's an author, and I

572
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:29,840
mean, that's what she's famous for
originally, and uh, if you look

573
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,280
at some of the books that she's
written, there's a lot of stuff about

574
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,000
crystals and metaphysical stuff. So so
she kind of has had that stigma attached

575
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,199
to her. And I didn't even
know. I mean, that was kind

576
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,239
of what I thought too when I
first saw her in those debates back in

577
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,559
twenty twenty. It wasn't until I
saw her actually sit down for a long

578
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:51,760
form interview with somebody where I said, oh, she's actually no, she's

579
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,280
not a coup. She's actually very
impressive and really knows her stuff. But

580
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,480
but yeah, she's got the stigma
of those books that she's written, so

581
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:05,239
might have a little kookiness in her. Yeah. I remember one time she

582
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,039
was going to settle everything by love, Love Love, was going to settle

583
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,639
all the world problems. You know, that might be a little off the

584
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,960
rails, but yeah, but yeah, I was surprised. I was surprised

585
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,360
how old she was too. I
didn't realize she was in her seventies.

586
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,880
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't
realize it either. Yeah, she looks

587
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,920
great in person. She doesn't.
She does not look her age. One

588
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:30,440
last thing that real quick that I
don't think people are understanding this Vivic Ramaswami.

589
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:35,920
He's the only one that's come out
and said I will pardon Trump on

590
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,280
all charges if I become president.
So how smart is he if he gets

591
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:45,639
in or if he if Trump gets
it in trouble, where do you think

592
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:47,880
all the people voting for Trump are
gonna go? They're gonna go to the

593
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,599
guy who said he's going to pardon
them on all charges. You know,

594
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,599
he's my guy, that vivic you
know what I mean, He's just I

595
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,559
don't know, I'm just that's a
pretty smart move that if he goes down

596
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:04,519
and then I heard Trump Trump talking
about it, he'd be a great vice

597
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,800
president. Well that's what I yeah, that's that's what I think the game

598
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,280
really is. I think from Vivek's
standpoint, I think he uh, I

599
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,440
think he's It's like I said the
about the debate, I called it the

600
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:20,639
vice presidential debate, because you know, you've got a stage full of people

601
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:24,519
who I mean some of them obviously
aren't going to be vice president. But

602
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:31,320
but I think I think that that
might be the Christie won't be or or

603
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:37,719
Mike Pence. Uh but yeah,
uh, or even or even Asa Hutchinson.

604
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:44,199
But yeah, yeah, yeah,
Vivek is interesting. Uh, We're

605
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,920
he's taken some some he said some
pretty interesting things. We're trying to get

606
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,599
him booked on the show. I
know Jenny's talking to the campaign, so

607
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,360
you might seem that would be that
would be fantastic. You might see him

608
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,159
on the show. Sid everybody know
that that I know in my circles to

609
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,960
listen and watch because that would be
fantastic. My my dad was a present.

610
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,199
Yeah, he's an impressive guy,
thirty seven years old and he's built

611
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:08,400
two businesses that come out over billion
dollars in worth. I don't know.

612
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,599
He's a smart guy, you know
what I mean. You may hate some

613
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:14,719
of the little things, but look
at the big picture. He's he's young

614
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,880
and smart. Well he said.
He said a lot of things that I

615
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,119
certainly don't agree with. For example, is on Ukraine. I mean,

616
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:25,280
he sounds like he's just chomping at
the bit to uh hand Ukraine over to

617
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Russia, and I don't I don't
agree with that. But what he was

618
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,719
saying, mainly, what he's saying
is why are we spending all this mution

619
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,679
on money on Ukraine when we should
be spending it on the southern border where

620
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:45,800
we're getting torched with criminals and sentinel
and destroying our country. So that was

621
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,840
one of his points. But it
doesn't sound I know everybody has, but

622
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,320
don't let one argument, you know
what, tur you from the big picture.

623
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,000
There's there's there's other things too,
but oh yeah, yeah, certainly.

624
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:01,639
But I'm a I'm of a political
square peg, so no one's gonna

625
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,559
make me happy anyway. Now with
that, now, with that ahead,

626
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:12,320
are you kidding me? That's right, that's right, I'll talk to I

627
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,679
shouldn't talk about heads. Mine's pretty
big too. Well, yeah, it's

628
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,199
an Irish thing, all right,
thanks for the call, Mike, Right,

629
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,119
all right, bye bye, all
right, very good. Always nice

630
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,039
here from Mike. And that does
open up the studio line for you.

631
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,480
Six zo three two five six seven
six three two five o six zoh seven.

632
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,000
No, it's true, though,
Irish people we have big heads.

633
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:39,480
I didn't realize it until I was
back in the nineties. I just somehow

634
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:44,400
I'd never thought of it. And
I was watching Conan O'Brien. This was

635
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:50,440
back when he first had his show
on NBC UH in the twelve thirty slot,

636
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,360
and I was a big Conan fan. I mean, I still am.

637
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,920
But but he made a joke about
having about how Irish people have big

638
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,480
heads. He was making a joke
about his own head was Halloween, and

639
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:05,440
he was some sort of a joke
about how he walks around. He's basically

640
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,880
got a jackal lantern on his head
because Irish people have big heads. And

641
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,519
I honestly, until that moment,
I had never thought about it. And

642
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:14,280
then I was like, wait a
minute, do I have a big head?

643
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,039
And I remember getting up and going
into the bathroom and looking at my

644
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:21,039
head and I'm like, oh my
god, I actually do I have a

645
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,880
really big head. I guess it's
true. And then I started looking at

646
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,519
other Irish people like or I remember
I used to watch Hardball with Chris Matthews

647
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,960
and I was like, I'm watching
Hardball one night after that and I'm like,

648
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,400
yeah, actually he has a big
head. He's got a big,

649
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,920
round head. So yeah, I
think it's an Irish thing. I mean,

650
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,960
I just I like to say I
look like a South Park character with

651
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,239
this big head. But I think
part of it is we need large heads

652
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:53,559
to hold our enormous brains. So
there is there is that. Oh Jenny

653
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:57,559
said in the chat room, Mike, if you're still listening, you should

654
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,719
call a Veigs campaign to lobby for
him to appear. Yeah. I wouldn't

655
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,440
hurt to put a bug in the
ear about the shows. You know,

656
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,559
call the campaign, say you're a
supporter, and uh say, you know,

657
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:13,159
you think he should come on my
program? That would certainly help.

658
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:19,119
I do think as we get closer, as we get more in de falls.

659
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,159
As we get closer to primary season, we will start being able to

660
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:27,360
get more candidates on, even if
not in studio because obviously they have busy

661
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:34,920
schedules, but even on the phone
or via Skype. I think that you

662
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,119
know, I mean, this show
is not exactly household name. I realized

663
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,840
that. But we are in Manchester, New Hampshire, so we're in the

664
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,840
largest city in the first in the
nation primary state. If we still have

665
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,320
the first in the nation primary,
I don't even know at this point do

666
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,679
we still have the first in the
nation primary. I certainly hope so we

667
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,639
better. I'm gonna be very bitter
if we don't. Oh a lot of

668
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:02,039
Facebook chat comments here, Probably we'll
have to carry this conversation over into the

669
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:07,320
second hour after the break because there's
more that Mark Halperin had to say this

670
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:19,079
morning when he was on Michael Smerconich's
shown smirk Smirkanich on his program because they

671
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:25,639
talked about scenarios if Biden does decide
not to run for a second term.

672
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,079
Uh, let's see here. I
just want to look at the Facebook live

673
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:38,000
chat comments quickly. See. Melanie
said it is so insane the amount of

674
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:43,599
money he is raising I'm not sure. I assume you're referring to Trump Trump

675
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,800
that mug shot alone. I think
he's raised well over seven million dollars at

676
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,880
this point, So that's what I
mean about, you know, as far

677
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:59,079
as the nomination just gets him closer
and closer to the nomination. Well,

678
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:00,920
by the way, I should address
to the audio that Mike was talking about.

679
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,239
I haven't heard any of that yet, so I'll have to I'll have

680
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:10,079
to check that out and in context
and whatnot. The audio of Biden.

681
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:20,920
I haven't seen or heard any of
that yet. Let's see this one.

682
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,679
Who Okay, So Scott Robinson says
in the chat room, how about he

683
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:31,400
gets rid of Kamala Kamala Harris,
gets Gavin Newsome as his veep, wins

684
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:37,360
and then steps down in a year
and Gavin Newsome becomes president. Seems like

685
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,719
a win win. Well, we'll
talk about that. We'll talk about that

686
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,320
in the second hour, Scott,
we'll talk about some potential scenarios. Because

687
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:52,719
Mark Halperin did address some of that. Melanie said, referring to Diane Feinstein,

688
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,719
that is so disgusting that she is
still in office. Yeah. Absolutely,

689
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:04,039
it's sad. It's just sad to
watch that. It's horrible and and

690
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:07,039
and that's gonna end up being her
legacy. That's what people are going to

691
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,280
you know, after she's gone.
I don't even mean necessarily after she passes

692
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,440
away, but after she does finally
retire. I assume she's not going to

693
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:21,840
be able to run for reelection after
she's gone. You know, that's you

694
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,599
know, for younger people at least, maybe not for older people who who

695
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:30,639
can remember her career and her accomplishments. And she, like I said,

696
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:34,599
I mean, hell of a career. There's no denying that. But but

697
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,280
you know, younger people who are
newer to politics, especially in California where

698
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,119
she is a senator, they're gonna, I mean, for for a whole

699
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:50,159
generation of people, that's gonna be
the first thing they think of when they

700
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,880
think of Diane Feinstein, when they
hear her name. They're going to think

701
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:00,920
of of of this woman who clearly
is in no condition to be there,

702
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:07,760
probably not physically and certainly not mentally, and who should have been replaced by

703
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:14,119
now. Part of the problem is
too, why this happens. Why you

704
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,719
know, again, not to be
agist, but we have to talk about

705
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,920
this stuff or it just will go
on. The reason these people, and

706
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:30,800
you can apply this to Diane Feinstein
or Nancy Pelosi, or Joe Biden or

707
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,960
Mitch McConnell who you know, just
froze up again today. The reason these

708
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:45,000
people become so entrenched is because the
establishment helps to keep them there because the

709
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:49,440
only way you can take them out
is in a primary. And by the

710
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,280
way, you can successfully primary someone, It happens, but it doesn't happen

711
00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:00,559
a whole lot. But we have
seen in history, we have seen examples

712
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:05,440
where well, like when the Tea
Party movement rose up on the Republican side,

713
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,719
you did see a few establishment Republicans
go down, like Eric Canter for

714
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:14,159
example, by these tea partiers who
came in and were able to challenge the

715
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:20,159
status quo. But it takes money
to do that. So these establishment politicians

716
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,039
who have been in their jobs for
literally for decades in some cases, for

717
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:32,239
most of their adult lives. Joe
Biden's been in Washington for I mean obviously

718
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,760
he was a Senator and then he
was a Veep and then president. He's

719
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,679
been in Washington for fifty years.
What happens? I mean, how long

720
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:46,159
has Mitch McConnell been a senator decades. Right, what happens is they're the

721
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:52,760
establishment. So other parts of the
establishment the donors, which is who these

722
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,119
people really work for. Right,
don't ever forget that the donors, you

723
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:59,960
know, that's where they put their
money. So when someone tries to change

724
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:05,519
challenge and incumbent and establishment incumbent,
they get out spent. And in politics,

725
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,880
whoever has the most money usually not
always, but very often wins.

726
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,440
I mean, you know, not
necessarily if it's one person has a little

727
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,960
bit more money in their campaign coffers
than the other, But if one candidate

728
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,760
has a lot more money in their
campaign coffers than the other, then they

729
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:29,559
usually win. And so these people
are they can be controlled by the donors.

730
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:34,159
You know, it's a symbiotic relationship. Right. Once you get power,

731
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,079
you have to keep the power.
And at that point it becomes more

732
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:43,519
about keeping the power than doing the
people's business anyway. Right, So the

733
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:46,960
donors pay for you. They spend
the money to make sure that the voters

734
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:50,559
keep you in power. So they
spend that money on you, and then

735
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,880
you're beholden to them, and you
know, it's a money go around,

736
00:56:52,920 --> 00:57:00,559
as you know, that's a kink's
reference. But and that's why, that's

737
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:07,039
why we have eighty and ninety year
old people in Congress and in the Senate,

738
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,360
and in this case we haven't.
He's gonna be eighty one in November,

739
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:20,840
an eighty one year old president.
That's why. Let's see here.

740
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:28,119
Oh, Mike from Queen City Cabinetry
has joined us in the Facebook live chat.

741
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:30,360
Hello, Queen City Cabinetry, one
of our race sponsors here at WMNH.

742
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:35,440
And I get to hang out with
Mike on Friday nights for retro Spectrum

743
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,719
Radio with Paul C. Also,
I see easyg has joined us in the

744
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:44,599
Facebook live chat, and Rondo Favero
says, howdy from really Hot California.

745
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,519
Ah, yes, all right,
we are past the top of the hour,

746
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:52,559
so let's do this. Uh,
we're gonna take a little break,

747
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,880
play a little something. I haven't
played any Dust Profit in a while.

748
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,280
Let's play this track from Dust Profit. This usually gets a good, good

749
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,079
reaction from people. Oh, actually
I should play one of the newer tracks.

750
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,079
Maybe I'll play the High Capital.
That would be uh, or bury

751
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:23,199
me before noon? Uh m hmm, I'll play the High Capital. It

752
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,800
fits. Let's give this a listen
and uh, and then we'll show some

753
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,719
love to our amazing sponsors, and
then we'll be back with our number two

754
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,719
numerodos of Matt Connerton Unleashed. And
I want to talk more about what Mark

755
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:42,639
Halperin had to say to Michael Smerconish
on his radio show today, very very

756
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,719
interesting regarding the candidacy of President Joe
Biden. So there is plenty more to

757
00:58:47,760 --> 00:59:35,320
come. Don't go away, here's
here's some dust. Profit wellcome back everybody,

758
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,679
as we are well in our number
two New Merrow dose of Matt Connerton

759
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,800
Unleashed. And we are live from
the studios of w m n H ninety

760
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,559
five point three FM in glorious downtown
Manchester, New Hampshire, and it is

761
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:53,400
a glorious day outside. Also on
Comcast channel six if you are in Manchester,

762
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:57,760
and hello to Olive our online listeners
across the nation and around the globe.

763
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,840
You can go to my website Matt
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764
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,719
live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et

765
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,239
cetera, et cetera. Today is
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766
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,280
The studio line is open if you'd
like to join us a six zero

767
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three two five zero six O seven
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768
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seven. You can also text me
at six one seven nine one seven four

769
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,039
four seven six. I'm on social
media at Matt Connerton. You can email

770
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:30,079
me Matt at Matt Connerton dot com, and of course you can interact endo

771
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:32,480
Pine in the Facebook live chat.
But the best thing to do so that

772
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,400
we can hear and enjoy your dulcet
tones is to give us a call at

773
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six zo three two five zero six
zero seven six zo three two five zero

774
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:45,599
six zero seven. By the way, Rondo Ferverro from California said in the

775
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:50,360
chat room, Wow, boom,
these guys rock with a pink Floyd flavor

776
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,920
at the slower tempo beginning of the
song. Yeah, that was the high

777
01:00:53,000 --> 01:01:00,039
Capital is the name of the track, and the band is Dust Profit and

778
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,519
we've had we've featured Dust Profit on
the Actually we play their music quite often.

779
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,760
And great band, great live band. They're gonna be I believe they're

780
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,679
gonna be at Swarmy Fest, the
second annual Swarmy Fest coming up in November,

781
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,960
and we're a part of that too. Really excited about that. Jenny

782
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,079
and I will be there of course
representing, and but yeah, dust Profit

783
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:28,400
is really really good live Otto is
a very intense front man. John Hopwood

784
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:36,559
has joined us in the Facebook live
chat. John Hopwood says Gavin Newsom's a

785
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:44,960
blank hole just like Kamala Harris Bay
Area petty bourgeois trash, my goodness,

786
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,920
and also said people who vote should
be punished. On second thought, they

787
01:01:53,960 --> 01:02:05,360
are oh all right, oh.
John also said is Joel doing Joe Biden

788
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,440
impressions? Now? Yes, so
Joe Biden President Joe Biden relating to the

789
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:14,320
people. You don't he almost lost
his corvette in that fire, Dear lord.

790
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:20,679
Jenny called him a tone deaf elitist. I think it's just look,

791
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,920
it's an eighty year old man behaving
like an eighty year old man. I

792
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:29,159
hate to say it. I hate
to say it, but I said it

793
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:32,679
for the entire first hour, I
suppose. Anyway, let me give the

794
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:36,440
studio line one more time and then
we'll pick up where we left off.

795
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,280
But six zero three two five six
seven six two five six seven, So

796
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,039
if you're just joining us in the
second hour, what we've been talking about

797
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:52,480
today is I was listening to Michael
Smerconish's radio program earlier and Mark Halperin was

798
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:57,159
on the show and according to halper
And, high level sources are telling him

799
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,000
who are close to the president are
telling him that Biden is reconsidering his decision

800
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:07,800
to run for a second term and
may in fact announce a change change of

801
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:13,840
mind on the matter. And that
gets us into what they also talked about.

802
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:19,000
Going from there. It was a
fascinating conversation to listen to. They

803
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:24,199
speculated on what might happen next,
assuming if and I'm skeptical that it's going

804
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:29,760
to happen, but Halperin says,
and I should just actually, we'll we

805
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:34,719
have a call. We'll grab this
first. Hi, welcome to Matt Connerton.

806
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,880
Unleash. Who's this? John C. Hopwood? John C. Hopwood?

807
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:46,000
What does the C stand for hunting
runt ah? Be careful with that?

808
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,519
Yes, welcome to the show,
John. Yes, yes, that

809
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:55,079
is a punchline to a joke.
Yes, yes, not for you know,

810
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:02,079
terrestrial radio. Correct what's going on? I'm you sound so low?

811
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:11,000
I sound low? Yeah, as
in my phone is just I was I

812
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:15,239
was a calling on my own show
today, so and everything was fine with

813
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:21,719
that line, but you sound the
very like the volume is low. Oh,

814
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,079
I thought I thought you meant my
voice sounded low. My voice has

815
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:30,400
been you know, our voices get
deeper as we get older. If you

816
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,920
haven't noticed, I thought you were
referring to that. You haven't noticed my

817
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:40,880
voice is deep. No, your
voice isn't deep. And I would assume

818
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:45,639
that if you were going to misread
what I said, which is incomprehensible to

819
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:48,880
me, that you'd think that I
would be thinking of your mood is low.

820
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:53,840
No, I my mood is fine, but my voice is deep.

821
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,840
So I was just calling in because
you know, I was talking to Gonzo

822
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:05,280
for fifteen minutes while he was doing
the painting on my show. Oh,

823
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,239
I mean, I'm here at the
in the theater watching the Ferrari movie.

824
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,719
And what is it that you're getting
back to. Well, So I was

825
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,760
listening to Michael Smerconish today his radio
program, and Mark Halperin was on,

826
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:26,719
and according to Mark halper And,
he's got high level sources who are telling

827
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,760
him that President Joe Biden is reconsidering
and possibly will not be running for a

828
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,760
second term after all. And part
of what is going into that decision is

829
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,760
trying to figure out what the course
of action will be if he doesn't fact

830
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:45,360
decide not to run. Will he
endorse Kamala Harris? Will he try to

831
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,800
find will they try to find someone
else, try to figure out how to

832
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,239
get Kamala Harris out of there,
maybe offer her a spot on the Supreme

833
01:05:51,239 --> 01:06:00,960
Court if someone retires. They went
through a bunch of different buffoons on the

834
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,599
court. What's one more? Huh? Well, you know, see,

835
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:10,039
I lived in California and these people
would just jokes. Yeah, you are.

836
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:15,880
La Harris is t Oba man,
tough on black asses. She's put

837
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:23,000
more black men in jail than George
Wallace, Lestermadox orvill Fabus. You know,

838
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:27,599
these old gracist governors from the South
could ever dream of. That's how

839
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:31,719
besides sleeping with Willie Brown, the
mayor of San Francisco, who was very

840
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:41,119
powerful that he's a former Speaker of
the California Assembly but he got term limited

841
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:48,159
out. That's her claimed the same
man. And you know the time server,

842
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:57,199
So you are clearly not a fan. And Gavin Newsom's just oh my

843
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,440
god, what a lightweight. Well, I don't know, did you see

844
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:09,880
the last Walks? Did you see
his interview on Sean Hannity's program. He

845
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:15,679
actually even some Republicans acknowledged that Newsom
seemed to handle himself particularly well. He

846
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:21,639
impressed some people. No, yes, because you know all this uh stuff,

847
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:29,039
all this uh what we talked about
years ago when we had back to

848
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:34,639
back shows and I had the all
this Huxley commentary about how television taking over

849
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:41,840
politics would be a disaster. That
the guy is an entertainer that is able

850
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,599
to memorize his line, kind of
like another guy from California who I actually

851
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,400
shook hands do with Ronald Reagan.
Oh now we got the train movie coming

852
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:55,599
through. Huh where are you?
Yes, the Ferrari is the new the

853
01:07:55,639 --> 01:08:00,360
new motion picture from Michael Mann,
which I'm sure Eric kilch is all excited

854
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,719
about that. But I mean,
just first off, from what you say,

855
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:12,599
nobody's reporting the story. Well,
this just broke today, Mark halper

856
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:17,880
and would be all over. Mark
Halperin went on Michael Smerconish and revealed this

857
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:24,760
for the first time today. This
is breaking news that's not going to happen.

858
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,399
I'm skeptical as well, but it
is interesting that this is the first

859
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,720
I've heard that he was actually considering
or reconsidering his run, and part of

860
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:40,880
what Halperin says is what people behind
the scenes have been telling Biden his Look,

861
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:45,479
your legacy is secure, and you
risk it all by running for a

862
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,439
second term, because if you lose
to Trump, your legacy will be that

863
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,399
you're the guy who beat Trump and
then gave the White House back to him

864
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,560
four years later. And you don't
want that to be your legacy. Take

865
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,159
what you have now and put it
in your pocket and get ready to move

866
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:06,479
on and make way for somebody new. What legacy Because Joe Biden, that's

867
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:12,880
a rather remarkable statement. He's got
a forty percent approval rating. Yeah,

868
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,520
I think in terms of legacy,
and Halperin talked about some of it,

869
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,479
you know, uh, well,
right, but on the positive side.

870
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,960
In other words, if you're talking
to Joe Biden, then you're talking to

871
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,479
him about his legacy, and you
want him to feel good. You're gonna

872
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:33,119
mention things like beating Trump, getting
the vaccines distributed, getting us through the

873
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:41,239
pandemic, the vaccines who are distributed
under Trump too. Oh at the end

874
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,600
of yeah, you're right at the
end. No, But I'm saying,

875
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,880
John, if you're talking to Joe
Biden, and you're trying to be and

876
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:53,000
you're trying to get him to be
happy with what he's accomplished so he can

877
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:57,399
move on. You're gonna mention getting
us through the pandemic, getting vaccines out,

878
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:00,640
uh, some some of the legisla
lation that he got past, things

879
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,560
like that, and you're gonna because
you're trying to talk him into being comfortable

880
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:11,760
with that and being comfortable enough to
walk away versus risking it all by losing

881
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,079
the Trump which is a very real
possibility. Mark Halpern was part of no

882
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:21,479
Label. Yes, he was right, Yeah, they say is part of

883
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,119
they were gonna you know, people
were talking about, oh, no labels.

884
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:30,159
He's going to put up Joe Manchon
from West Virginia, Joe Manchon and

885
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:36,479
the guy from Utah. They were
gonna throw this will throw the election to

886
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:44,119
Trump. So but he's less no
labels. So what is Mark Halpern actually

887
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:47,600
up to? Well, I think
he continues to try to rehabilitate his career

888
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:53,319
because he h as I'm sure you
recall he was fired from MDS NBC News

889
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:59,880
for allegations of sexual harassment, right, So is he somebody as a story

890
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:04,079
sweet even freaking listened to it.
I don't see why not. I don't

891
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:10,640
know of any journalistic scandals, particularly
that he's had or I mean, Smerkanish

892
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,640
trusts him, and I like Smerconish. I don't know if you're a fan

893
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,399
of his, but I don't know
who they. I don't even know who

894
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,079
that is. Oh you don't know
Michael Smerconish. You might enjoy him.

895
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:29,479
I generally get my news straight.
What does that mean? I don't like

896
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:34,079
to read opinion pieces? Okay,
Well, Smerconish is uh, I was

897
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:39,319
saying earlier. He's the radiohead.
He's uh, yeah, he's uh.

898
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:44,039
He has a show that air's weekday
afternoons, and he's he worked in the

899
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:47,159
George H. W. Bush administration, but he left the Republicans and became

900
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,840
an independent. I think it was
during the Iraq War because he was so

901
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:56,680
upset with WA's foreign policy. So
he left the party at that point.

902
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,800
And he's probably about the closest thing
you'll find to a genu Win centrist in

903
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:09,920
political talk radio. So he's got
a talk show. Yeah, is it

904
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,439
on serious? It is? Yeah, it's it's on satellite, but I

905
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:18,439
think it's also syndicated. On terrestrial
radio two. I think. But well,

906
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:28,159
a quick look at a quick search
shows that in twenty nineteen in the

907
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:32,640
Atlantic that he was peddling that idea. Back in twenty nineteen that Joe Biden

908
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:40,600
was thinking of moving on. So
it's just it's outlandis first of all to

909
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,079
win the This is learned from reading
many books, including The Great Petty White

910
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:50,439
to the Making of the President.
When you win, when you win the

911
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:56,319
presidency, it's such a backbreaking I'd
better use another word that began with B.

912
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,720
But you know, I know you're
on FM radio right back breaking process.

913
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:08,439
You've actually won something, You've taken
possession of it. It's like your

914
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:14,199
property and it comes with power.
One of the reasons that are Robert F.

915
01:13:14,359 --> 01:13:18,880
Kennedy, the real Robert F.
Kennedy, uh Bobby Kennedy, Jack

916
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:26,279
Kennedy's brother felt he had to run
in sixty eight was because and he felt,

917
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,560
you know, one of the things
when Johnson took over the presidency have

918
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,439
the assassination. You know, it's
like there's a theme of well, this

919
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:42,920
is something the Kennedy's won and build
and now it's gone to him a pretender.

920
01:13:43,359 --> 01:13:45,000
Of course, if LB J Hadsen
on the ticket. They might have

921
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:50,840
lost Texas, but that's another thing
they wouldn't have won. But r f

922
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:57,079
K thought they the logic was,
if he waited to seventy two, the

923
01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:01,600
last remnants of the Kennedy machine would
have bet would be would be gone.

924
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,920
But there were still Kennedy loyalists,
not just in the federal government, in

925
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:13,239
state governments that they built up relations
with from fifty six to the sixty election.

926
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:19,239
And we're building still building six in
November sixty three when JFK got killed.

927
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:26,359
Remember, Nixon came back from a
political death by you know, sixty

928
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:30,479
two when he lost the goober litorial
campaign California. They's not even done right,

929
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,640
but he came back because from sixty
three through the end of sixty seven

930
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:42,119
he went to every Republican dinner every
state, you know, and just just

931
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:45,119
like a New Hampshire primary, you
know, they go door to door,

932
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:50,079
they meet everybody. Build these things. And my point is is it's a

933
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:57,199
it's it's power, but it's a
property that you've won at great cost to

934
01:14:57,279 --> 01:15:00,159
yourself. That's why would Joe Biden
give up Paul? Why would he give

935
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:04,960
up this property he's made it to
the catbird seat. You and I never

936
01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:13,119
thought we'd see him in the presidency
a few years ago. True, but

937
01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:17,000
I just don't see it happening.
I don't think it's likely. But but

938
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:21,439
he is eighty years old. And
you know, I've been talking too about

939
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:26,319
Mitch McConnell froze up again, and
he's only a year older than Biden.

940
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,479
And I'm sure people are looking.
Maybe people are too polite to say it,

941
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,359
but I'm sure there's people who are
thinking, Wow, look what's happening

942
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:35,560
to Mitch McConnell. What if that
starts happening to Biden? And I always

943
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:40,000
say, John, it's only gonna
take once. If anything like that happens

944
01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:43,920
to Joe Biden publicly, whether it
be and worst case scenario, if it

945
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,199
happened during a debate with Trump or
during a speech, that's gonna be it.

946
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,560
I mean, that's gonna be it. He happened to happen to Ronald

947
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:58,720
Reagan the first debate in eighty four. That's true. Here's the other that's

948
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:05,039
true. Yeah, nineteen forty four, they knew FDR was dying. They

949
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:13,560
knew he was dying, but they
had to run him again to win for

950
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,720
the Democrats to win, but they
had a problem. Henry Wallace was a

951
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:24,640
Republican, but most people don't realize
he used to be progressive Republicans, the

952
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:29,760
Ted Teddy Roosevelt right up to like
the Nelson Rockefellers, so there was a

953
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:38,399
progressive strain there. So he was
a very eccentric Liberal. And he was

954
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:43,560
the vice president because John Nance Garner, the former Speaker of the House who

955
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,239
was it for eight years, expected
to become president. You get your nomination

956
01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:50,359
in forty so he had to be
getting rid of But what do you do

957
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:57,079
you have this guy who's a vice
president in nineteen forty four, the vice

958
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:03,119
president FDR's vice president is going to
become president. Everybody knows, So what

959
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:06,920
do you do? You have a
guy that nobody trusts. They brought in

960
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:14,800
little lone Harry Truman, but he
was known from his almost twelve years in

961
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,800
the Senate being a hard worker and
somebody that could be relied on and had

962
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:26,479
innate gifts, and he indeed,
what was it, within a month,

963
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:32,479
became well he forty five was the
first year. Yeah, in April forty

964
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:38,680
five. He became president three months
after the inauguration. So the whole play

965
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:44,520
really is Kamala Harris is not going
to win the presidency, and neither is

966
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:49,039
Gavin Newsom. Your best bet is
Biden. If you have the only way

967
01:17:49,119 --> 01:17:53,840
Biden wins, does everybody say,
is Trump? Right, You've got to

968
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,760
win the presidency, so you keep
Biden. But who is going to be

969
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,760
your vice president? Because that's the
person that like he's gonna be president within

970
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,680
a few couple of years, right
right. I think that's the real issue,

971
01:18:05,039 --> 01:18:08,880
and I'll give you back your show. All right, John, Well,

972
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:15,439
I appreciate the call. Thank you
for a stimulating conversation. I think

973
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:21,439
Mark Halpern is cracking walnuts with this. Pis pusteria that the real discussion going

974
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,960
on right now is what the vice
president say. Well that they did get

975
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,520
into that actually, but so ill. Okay, I'll regurgitate some of what

976
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,479
I heard today. If you put
a link up on one of your pages,

977
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,319
I'd love to hear this. Yeah, I'll see if I can find

978
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:41,399
a link. Absolutely, Okay,
take care of Matt. All right,

979
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,520
John, talk to you later.
Thanks for the call, Bye bye.

980
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,960
All right. That was the great
John C. Hopwood. That does open

981
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:50,720
up the line for you. Six
zero three two five zero six seven six

982
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,399
zero three two five zero six zero
seven if you'd like to call in Scott

983
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,279
Robinson, and the chat says,
when the heck is Hopwood getting back in

984
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,960
studio, the people need him.
Yes, well he's always welcome, but

985
01:19:01,239 --> 01:19:05,000
uh yeah, sometimes sometimes we don't
see him for a few weeks, but

986
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:11,840
always nice to see him when we
do. But that was so the vice

987
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,680
presidency. Yeah, so that was
part. That was a big part of

988
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:24,039
the conversation on Smerconish's show with Mark
Halperin because they were talking about so if

989
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:28,760
Biden, here's the thing. So
let's say Biden decides he's not running,

990
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,119
he needs to hurry up and announce
that he's changed his mind if that is

991
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:41,479
the decision, Because if you know, unless Kamala Harris is going to be

992
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:49,600
the one to take that mantle of
nominee, because the longer he waits,

993
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:56,079
if there is an announcement forthcoming,
the longer he waits, the harder it's

994
01:19:56,119 --> 01:20:01,079
going to be for someone else to
begin a camp pain to be the nominee.

995
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:06,720
So it's probably going to have to
be her. Now. The other

996
01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:15,000
interesting this part I found particularly fascinating. Mark Halperin also talked about how Biden

997
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:30,159
apparently wasn't thrilled with how he was
treated when he was vice president by President

998
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:33,000
Barack Obama. And I've read a
lot of this over the years about how

999
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:40,560
the whole that whole bromance thing,
the idea that they were like really tight,

1000
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:44,600
isn't entirely true. They certainly had
a bond of friendship, and I

1001
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,399
think Obama even loaned or gave Biden
some money to help with his mortgage at

1002
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:56,680
one point or something, because all
of Biden's money was going to going to

1003
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,920
helping his son, Bobiden with whatever
what her insurance wouldn't pay for as far

1004
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:05,800
as his cancer treatments. When Bo
Biden, his son was dying of brain

1005
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,880
cancer at the age of forty six, passing away from brain cancer, so

1006
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:17,159
I think Obama actually helped him out. But this was interesting, so I

1007
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:21,359
thought, and this is what Smerconish
had said too, because the narrative,

1008
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:25,760
at least publicly, had always kind
of been. In fact, I remember

1009
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:30,159
when Biden gave the speech in the
Rose Garden where he effectively announced his non

1010
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:35,319
candidacy when then Vice President Joe Biden. This was of course at the end

1011
01:21:35,359 --> 01:21:41,039
of the Obama administration, he said
that he had decided he was not going

1012
01:21:41,119 --> 01:21:44,800
to run. Now, Hillary Clinton
was already in the race, and I

1013
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:50,439
remember thinking that Biden was getting in. In fact, the night before Biden

1014
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:59,680
gave that speech saying that he was
not getting in, there was a superpack

1015
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:05,279
or something that was raising money for
Biden. That something had changed with that

1016
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:09,600
that seemed to indicate that Biden was
running. But the other thing was Biden

1017
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:15,079
changed his story. I think he
definitely was considering running because Biden changed his

1018
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:20,399
story about the story had been.
When Obama gave the order for the raid

1019
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:27,000
in Pakistan to take out Osama bin
Ladden, Biden was the naysayer in the

1020
01:22:27,119 --> 01:22:30,560
room who said, mister President,
it's too risky. My advice is don't

1021
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:35,720
do it. And Obama, of
course ultimately decided to take the risk and

1022
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:43,279
had paid off and they got Bin
Ladden. But I remember in twenty twelve,

1023
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:49,920
when Obama was running for reelection,
I remember seeing campaign ads where Biden

1024
01:22:50,359 --> 01:22:58,760
talked about how how fantastic Obama's instincts
on certain things were. Because Biden speaks

1025
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,600
in the ad about how he didn't
think it was a good idea, and

1026
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,800
he actually told Biden, mister president, don't go. It's too risky,

1027
01:23:05,359 --> 01:23:11,079
and Obama went anyway, thus proving
that Obama had these superior instincts. That

1028
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:14,199
was the narrative at the time,
and it continued to be the narrative until

1029
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:18,680
just just like a few weeks before, Biden gave his Rose Garden address where

1030
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:23,000
he announced his that he was not
running. All of a sudden, I

1031
01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:28,880
see interviews online where Biden is changing
his story, and the narrative went from

1032
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,960
I told him he shouldn't, he
shouldn't give the order to go to the

1033
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:38,359
new version of the story was no. Actually I was very supportive. I

1034
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:45,319
just told President Obama, you know
this is a big decision, so please,

1035
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:48,920
mister president, give it all the
consideration that it deserves before you make

1036
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:54,439
a final decision. But I never
told him don't go. So he changed

1037
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,199
his story, and I thought,
why is he changing his story? Now?

1038
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:00,359
He must be running for president.
So I was sure he was running.

1039
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:06,560
And then he gives the Rose Garden
address where he says, basically from

1040
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:12,560
what I recall, he said,
my wife Jill and I were still grieving

1041
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,560
over the loss of our son Bow. If anyone it should be Bow.

1042
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,399
Biden running for president. And but
we're still dealing with this pain. We're

1043
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:27,239
not we're not through the grieving process
yet. And and so because of that,

1044
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:38,239
I've decided not to run for president. But over the years there's kind

1045
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:43,239
of been this alternate narrative that actually, no, he did want to run,

1046
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,600
but Obama told him not to because
it's Hillary's turn. And we see

1047
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,800
how that turned out. But who
knows, I mean, if if it

1048
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,600
had been Biden instead of Hillary,
I mean, who knows if Biden would

1049
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,600
have actually won the nomination instead of
Hillary. I mean, technically, it

1050
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,560
was not Hillary's turn. It was
Biden's turn. He was a sitting vice

1051
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,600
president. It was his turn.
But Obama said, no, it's Hillary

1052
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:11,640
Stern, you know. And of
course she won the nomination, and she

1053
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,800
did win the popular vote but couldn't
win the presidency. So, according to

1054
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:25,319
Mark Halperin, Biden is sensitive to
how he treats Kamala Harris because he doesn't

1055
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:29,319
like the way he was treated by
Obama. He felt that Obama was kind

1056
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:31,399
of putting his boot on his neck
a little bit, and it was inappropriate

1057
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,680
for Obama to pressure Biden not to
run, even though Biden did heed that

1058
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,239
pressure given to that pressure. So
he doesn't want to do that to Kamala

1059
01:25:39,319 --> 01:25:44,239
Harris. So he wants to treat
her fairly through this process if he does

1060
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:48,399
decide that he's not running in terms
of is it going to be her or

1061
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,000
are they going to try to figure
out a way to maneuver somebody else in

1062
01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:55,319
there, because she's got some negatives
attached to her, some of which I

1063
01:25:55,399 --> 01:26:00,720
understand and some of which I think
is overblown, frankly. But I found

1064
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:06,319
that part fascinating what halper And said. And then I actually found this during

1065
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:11,159
the break and I wanted to look
at this. I didn't get a chance

1066
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:15,199
to preread this, but this is
from Time dot com, Time Magazine.

1067
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,640
It's an article called why the Obama
Biden bromance is a myth? And this

1068
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:26,479
went up back in this this one
up about a year ago, September of

1069
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,439
twenty twenty two. But there's a
specific part here that I want to look

1070
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:38,359
at. Okay, so actually we
should look at who's being who's being interviewed

1071
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:46,119
here. Okay, So this so
the author of the article, Philip Elliott,

1072
01:26:48,880 --> 01:27:01,119
spoke with this author Debnadetti. Debnadetti, that's hard to say I'm just

1073
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:06,960
gonna. I'm just gonna, referred
to him as D spoke with D about

1074
01:27:08,039 --> 01:27:12,720
his book titled The Long Alliance The
Imperfect Union of Joe Biden and Barack Obama.

1075
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:15,359
Which sounds interesting, But I want
to go to a specific point in

1076
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:20,239
this interview that I find germane to
the issue. Okay, so Elliot says

1077
01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:25,920
to D going forward a little bit, Biden's decision in twenty sixteen was as

1078
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,920
painful for those of us on the
outside as it was on the inside.

1079
01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:32,800
It was not easy for Obama to
watch Biden suffering through such grief and a

1080
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:39,640
really difficult decision. Ultimately, though
Biden's I'm sorry, Obama stepped in and

1081
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,439
did what was best for the Biden
family, even if the Biden family didn't

1082
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,359
appreciate it at the moment. And
by the way, so that's what Halperin

1083
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:53,680
was talking about today, that there
was actually some resentment from Biden toward Obama

1084
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:59,439
over this. So this is what
D said. That's certainly what Obama thought

1085
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,439
he was doing. He thought that
Biden simply couldn't do the twenty sixteen campaign,

1086
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:08,239
that he was going through the death, not with what he was going

1087
01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:12,159
through with the death of his son. That said, Biden also felt that

1088
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:16,920
Obama was being a bit dismissive of
him politically by essentially backing Hillary Clinton behind

1089
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,840
the scenes, sending people to work
for her, having a lot of his

1090
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:26,359
aids talk to her, praising her
publicly, all while as Vice president was

1091
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:30,199
sitting right there. So there was
a lot of conversation between the two of

1092
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:33,119
them before Biden basically said, listen, I understand you decided that you need

1093
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:38,399
to back Secretary Clinton, but maybe
we should talk about this. It was

1094
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,039
very painful for both of them.
It took a very long time for Biden

1095
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:45,439
to realize that he ultimately couldn't sustain
a campaign, couldn't do it in the

1096
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,840
moment of time that was needed,
and he couldn't do it emotionally. But

1097
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:53,760
that was really a moment in which
their relationship changed, because that was a

1098
01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:02,560
moment of intense political but also personal
feeling for both of them. I'm going

1099
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:09,560
to read this full interview later.
This looks really interesting. Now I'm going

1100
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:14,439
to skip down again. So Elliott
asks d this is later in the interview

1101
01:29:15,359 --> 01:29:19,000
when it comes to her time,
will Vice President Harris be able to claim

1102
01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:25,479
a similar relationship with Biden and d
answered, they're just very different relationships.

1103
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,159
Biden sought to find a partner who, in his words, could be his

1104
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:33,079
Biden Obama counseled him not to think
of it in those terms. Their relationship

1105
01:29:33,159 --> 01:29:36,840
was just fundamentally going to have a
different going to have to be different because

1106
01:29:38,039 --> 01:29:42,399
there was the proposition of Biden as
Obama's partner. He was a man who'd

1107
01:29:42,399 --> 01:29:45,279
been in Washington for a million years
and had the experience on Capitol Hill,

1108
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,880
who had the experience in foreign policy, and who could help guide Obama in

1109
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:53,600
decision making. Biden may like Harris's
instincts, but at the end of the

1110
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:58,039
day, she is not someone who
has more experience in any of these topics

1111
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:00,520
than him, so he's not not
going to rely on her for advice.

1112
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,640
There's no easier way to sum up
the difference in their relationship than that of

1113
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:10,119
Biden and Obama had their weekly lunches. Harris and Biden started off having these

1114
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:14,479
weekly lunches. But how many times
have they done this? How many times

1115
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,680
have they done it this year?
Five? Five is my last count?

1116
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:26,600
Anyway, that so, but that
was part of the discussion to Dance mcconscious

1117
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:30,640
show is assuming Biden, because here's
the thing, it's going to get very,

1118
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:35,560
very complicated. And I said this
before before Biden made his initial announcement

1119
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:40,760
that he's running. I said,
if he decides not to run, it's

1120
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,119
going to be fascinating, But it's
also going to be very difficult for the

1121
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:47,920
Democrats because, like I said,
Kamala Harris has very high negatives. People

1122
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,920
don't like her much more than they
like Biden, if even that much.

1123
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,279
Some of it. I understand.
She's had some strange moments. She laughs

1124
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:01,720
at inappropriate times. It's a little
bit. The part of the criticism,

1125
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,039
though, that I think is really
unfair, is when people say, well,

1126
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:08,279
where is she? I hardly ever
see her. She's not visible.

1127
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,680
But that happens with every vice president. Every vice president fades to the background.

1128
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,760
The only one who didn't fade as
much as all the rest of them,

1129
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:20,359
probably at least in my lifetime,
would be Dick Cheney, George W.

1130
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:25,239
Bush's VP, But even he kind
of tried to fade into the background.

1131
01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:30,720
Melanie says in the chat room,
I might be misremembering, but I

1132
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:35,640
think there were rumblings that Hillary was
asked to step back during Obama's first run,

1133
01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:40,640
her time would come. I wonder
if that was why Biden was asked

1134
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,960
to step down. Well, that's
the thing Obama might have felt like he

1135
01:31:44,119 --> 01:31:47,880
kind of, you know, because
he kind of elbowed Hillary out of the

1136
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:54,000
way, that he owed her something
that might be some of that. I

1137
01:31:54,079 --> 01:31:59,760
mean, what I remember about two
thousand and eight was, yeah, it

1138
01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:02,479
Hillary's turn then, and I think
everyone kind of assumed she would be the

1139
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:10,279
nominee. And Obama was a fast
rising star. He had given that speech

1140
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:13,560
at the two thousand and four Democratic
Convention and that was kind of as a

1141
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,800
senator, that was kind of when
he first really grabbed people's attention with that

1142
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:24,079
famous Red State, Blue State speech
and then but but I think I don't

1143
01:32:24,079 --> 01:32:26,520
think anyone really expected he was going
to be the nominee. But then he

1144
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:32,600
started doing really really well, I
remember, you know, and then but

1145
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:36,760
she hung up. She hung in
there for a long time. But uh

1146
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:44,359
yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean, I think she hung

1147
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,520
in there. From what I can
recall, she hung in there for longer

1148
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:53,039
than maybe Obama wanted her to.
Because there did come a point in that

1149
01:32:53,119 --> 01:32:56,479
campaign where it was obvious he was
going to make it. He was going

1150
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,600
to have enough delegates to quench the
nomination, but she was still kind of

1151
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,399
but she was still winning primaries right
to the end. It's just that he

1152
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:09,640
was winning more of them. But
she won quite a few primaries in that

1153
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:15,199
cycle. But then eventually there came
a point where yeah, she had to

1154
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,760
she had to step aside. And
then there it is twenty sixteen and it's

1155
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,560
finally her time, and she's the
nominee, and it slips through her fingers.

1156
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,920
Again. I always say too,
I mean, I do have some

1157
01:33:29,039 --> 01:33:31,079
empathy in that. I mean,
say what you want to about Hillary Clinton,

1158
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,039
but I do have to say this. It has to be an incredible

1159
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:42,199
mind. It has to be so
mind bending to be I mean, think

1160
01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:45,119
about this, to be that close. You think about all she went through,

1161
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:50,079
all she tolerated with Bill Clinton.
She had to suffer through Monica Lewinsky

1162
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:55,720
and Jennifer Flowers and who else is
more. I can't remember all the names,

1163
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,199
and you know, just all of
that public humiliation. You know,

1164
01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:03,119
she suffers through all of that.
And I assume, I mean, you

1165
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:05,760
know, maybe she loves him.
I don't know, but I assume it

1166
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:09,920
was largely out of ambition, right, because she knew she was going to

1167
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,840
get her chance, you know.
And then she she became Senator of New

1168
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:21,199
York and well one of the senators
of New York obviously, and you know,

1169
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:27,159
so now was her time, you
know. And then she became Secretary

1170
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:30,880
of State and it was her time. Now she was going to get to

1171
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:32,680
be she was going to finally get
to be president. And there it was

1172
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,920
twenty sixteen. It was finally time, she was going to get to be

1173
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:43,359
president. And I just to just
try to imagine being that close, that

1174
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,920
close to something that she had wanted
for so long, that close to being

1175
01:34:48,119 --> 01:34:53,640
leader of the free world, and
assuming that it's going to happen, because

1176
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,880
it certainly seemed like a locke.
I know there's people who will say,

1177
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,920
I remember at the time, a
lot of Republicans would say, oh,

1178
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:01,880
I always knew Trump would win.
I always knew he could do it.

1179
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,880
Yeah, right, you were just
as surprised. Hell, you were just

1180
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:10,119
as surprised as he was, because
he was very he didn't expect to win,

1181
01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:16,720
right, But can you imagine to
be her and be that close and

1182
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:23,159
having it slipped through your fingers one
more time? But to be that close.

1183
01:35:24,399 --> 01:35:30,680
What that must do to a person's
brain or another example, John Kerry.

1184
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,479
It really looked in two thousand and
four, it really looked like John

1185
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:38,399
Kerry was gonna it was obviously it
was going to be close, and it

1186
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:45,159
was close. It came down to
Kayahoga County in Ohio. Kyahoga County Carl

1187
01:35:45,319 --> 01:35:51,159
Rove made sure that gay marriage was
on the ballot for referendum in Kiahoga County,

1188
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:56,079
Ohio, to get Republicans to turn
out to vote against that and at

1189
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,479
the same time vote for George W. Bush. And it worked. It

1190
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:05,079
worked. If that one county had
just gone the other way, John Kerry

1191
01:36:05,079 --> 01:36:09,800
would have been president. And it
looked, according to exit polling that day,

1192
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,359
it looked like he was going to
be Can you imagine what that must

1193
01:36:13,399 --> 01:36:19,760
be like to be that close to
being president of the United States and watching

1194
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,720
it slip away. I mean,
I'm sure losing his hard for anybody,

1195
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:29,880
right, but sometimes you know,
you know, I mean, obviously,

1196
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:38,000
Walter Mondale in eighty four, he
knew he was going to lose, you

1197
01:36:38,079 --> 01:36:41,279
know, so I'm sure it was
no great shock to him on election night,

1198
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:45,439
right, I'm sure Mondale wasn't sitting
there going, ah, I was

1199
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,159
so close. No, dude,
you clearly were not. And you know

1200
01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:53,079
that, and people around him said, yeah, obviously he knew it.

1201
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:55,920
At that point. It was about
losing with dignity, but it wasn't It

1202
01:36:56,039 --> 01:36:59,560
was not about winning or you know, in ninety two, George H.

1203
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,199
W. Bush, he knew he
was going to lose to Bill Clinton.

1204
01:37:01,279 --> 01:37:09,600
It was over. You know,
Melanie says in the chat room, she

1205
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:15,000
knew what she was buying with that
embarrassment and tolerance. Yeah, but she

1206
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:18,399
didn't get what she ultimately wanted,
did she. She just didn't get there.

1207
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:24,000
Oh wow, we're out of show. Anyway. I ended up spending

1208
01:37:24,079 --> 01:37:29,560
really the entire show on the on
an interview that happened on somebody else's radio

1209
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:34,000
show. But that's fine. I
just thought it was fascinating and add a

1210
01:37:34,039 --> 01:37:36,359
bunch of other things to get to, but we'll save those for tomorrow,

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all right. So I appreciate you
all, Thank you so much for joining

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me today for Matt Connerton Unleashed.
And if you miss any part of today's

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show it we'll be up in just
a little bit at WMH radio dot org

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and on my website. Matt Connerton
dot com. Oh, Scott Robinson says,

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excellent show today, Matt excellent,
Thank you, Scott. I appreciate

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that very much. I do think
we should close out with a little more

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dust profit why not. So yeah, thank you all, And yeah,

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we'll see, we'll see if I'm
right. I think by tomorrow at this

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time there will be a lot more
people talking about what Mark Halperin said today

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on Smerconish. We'll see, and
I'll see if I can find a link

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to the podcast of that and I
will share it out. And as John

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C. Hopwood had requested, and
thank you John for calling in and chatting,

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as well as Mike Doyle. All
Right, we gotta go, We're

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out of here. I'll talk to
y'all a little bit later. By everybody,