Soul ladies and gentlemen. We're gonna do a non spoilers view. We're gonna
give you recommendation, some pros and cons what we thought. And when I
asked Kirkland, I'm gonna go three two one, he's gonna say geek versussembled.
Don't worry doing I know when it gets on it one day, it'll
be me. I know, I already know. I haven't planned out.
Yeah, so last time I heard someone do it, it was Briggs and
it was kind of scary like his a. It took me off guard.
I just expecting him to speak like a normal person like my ears didn't were
prepared for that. Yeah, No, I'm excited. So I will say
three two one geek versussemble and that's when or no, I'll say three to
one, will say geek for sussemble, and that's when we jump into swell.
So you'll know who wants to start us off with a dark Phoenix twenty
nineteen, the closing chapter of the Fox X Men movies. I'll start off
because you guys are the X Men boys, and I better just get my
boys, the X boys. Yeah. So, because I wasn't on any
of the retros. I guess my quick history of X Men. I don't
think I've seen the first X Men X one. I've seen probably half of
X two, and then I've seen all the other ones after that, and
there's definitely some some misses in there, but there's also a lot of hits.
I've had a lot of fun with the X Men movies over the years.
X three you knew you guys are gonna trashed on it, and it's
like such a special place in my heart. So all the criticisms fair,
and I haven't watched it in years, and maybe i'd feel the same way,
but I love that movie so much. Just don't watch it then keep
it in your niceness, Solis. Yeah, so yeah, I'm definitely definitely
an X Men fan. Now, obviously we were coming off an interesting timeline
like Apocalypse. Apocalypse came out I don't know, a year or two ago
and two years yeah, and it was it wasn't awful. It definitely had
some problems, but it just wasn't as good as Days of Future Past or
even First Class for that matter. And then obviously just this movie getting delayed
and then delayed again, and then New Mutant's just getting kicked back like three
hundred years and it get delayed again, like it it's just been There's been
a lot of red flags before this movie came out, So I think I
went in with I mean, even the trailers like gave away a lot,
and then even I had some stuff spoiled, like what actually like some of
the stuff in the trailers that I'm not going to say now, but definitely
something spoiled before well because someone asked a director like, oh, that looks
like that character dies in the trailer, goes yeah, that character's dead.
You go, oh, that's how you promote a movie. Yeah, Like,
there's definitely a lack of tech when it came to the marketing department on
this movie, and I mean a lot of this movie in general. So
I went in with pretty low expectations, and I guess it really fit those
expectations. This movie is overall pretty disappointing. I think the music, the
soundtrack's fantastic. Oh yeah, absolutely amazing. Nim yeah, oh yeah,
I forgot it was Zimmer until like the last five minutes. I'm like,
oh, yeah, that's why this music is. I didn't realize till the
credits, but I was like Okay, yeah that makes sense. That was
excellent. Yeah, it really does stand out like different characters, themes,
and even just like in the background of scenes. It's he's just such a
great composer. He just has like really dynamic, interesting music that really just
I mean, tons of emotion right that he can convey. So it really
helped build up scenes that maybe the dialogue was lacking, but the music can
help kind of supplement some of those feelings that you lose. And then I
thought the action and CG the two going together. It was actually pretty good
for the most part. In this movie. There's a lot of crazy stuff
all over the place, and it really worked for me for the most part.
There's just there's a lot of action, too much for me personally,
But everything I thought looked good at least, So that's good considering that you
know, they potentially reshot the whole ending sequence and who knows what else,
so I don't know what kind of time frame they had on reshooting stuff and
re editing, but honestly, to me, it all looked really good.
However, my list of pros kind of runs out there, like the biggest
the biggest problem this movie has is the dialogue I think between Geen Gray and
Professor Xavier, like they have some good good stuff between the two of them,
but honestly, other than that, there's really not much to look in
on. Like it's just some of the most cookie cutter, basic dialogue.
And for me, the most heartbreaking part of that is with Magneto with Fast
Benders Magneto, because he's just he's done so good with that character. He's
really just brought so much layers of emotion, right, and we saw that
and was it in first class or like I guess, in both of them.
Really well, he's been in three now fast first class apocalypses with his
family but the dust yeah, yeah, and so yeah, even in Apocalypse,
which was a pretty like a letdown of a movie in some ways.
Yeah, and that scene with his family was so so well done. Yeah,
because he's just he just has such a you can tell he cares about
that character and he has fun with the role. You Like, those things
are really really obvious on screen. However, there's just nothing to work with
here, Like the script for every every single line that Megnio has is awful
or incredibly boring or blend or just a combination of all three and it just
for me. That's like the most heartbreaking thing because he like like Xavier.
Yeah, it's not the best movie for him either. It's probably his worst
movie for Macavoy's Xavier. But at least there's some some salvageable moments, whereas
Magneto, I can't think of a single scene that he is good in and
it's not Fastbender's fault, Whereas in some movies recently like Assassin's Creed an Alien
Covenant, like I was kind of I was poking fun at Fastbender and saying
like, okay, I think acting wise, like he's not doing it for
me, And yeah, I mean there's always things like the directing and editing,
the script, like it all, it's not never just the actor's fault.
There's always multiple things at play. But in this movie, it is
like, no way, Fastpender's fault is definitely just the script. There's no
content there for him to play with this cool action stuff. I'll say that
he did. You know there's some fun stuff they do make powers in this
movie. Yeah, that's that's all I can give you. Yeah, yeah,
And I mean that goes back to what I was saying with like the
action scenes and how they're they're well done for the most part, and it
all, it all works. It just sucks that everything he says just makes
me roll my eyes, especially from a character who's supposed to be so so
intense and has been and has been so successful and like consistent throughout these movies
as well. Yeah, when we get Dispose, I got two scenes I
can show that maybe like they're not like his best in the series, but
something that was like salvageable. But I agree with you, and I bring
up Magnane, know, just because that's the biggest example, but even even
Beast, he's kind of the same boat, where he doesn't really have any
lines that are that are interesting or worthy of note. And there's like there's
other characters as well, Like it's just across the board. The dialogue is
really really really letdown. And I don't know, maybe there's some bias because
as Travis mentioned, we're doing the Tarantino retro and when we did a retro
in Glorious Pasters just two days ago, and that movie has amazing dialogue from
start to finish, So maybe maybe there's like a comparison here where it's like
I just watched some of the best dialogue on screen, and then I'm seeing
this like a couple of days later. I don't know if that has something
to do with it. Perhaps it did, but oh yeah, overall this
movie is a major letdown. It sucks that this is the end of these
X Men and these characters because even though a lot of them were introduced just
one movie ago, there has been a few that were around for quite a
bit longer, and and they were really good. They're like Days of Future
Pass is a fantastic movie, and I even I really like First Class as
well. So yeah, I'm disappointed, but it kind of met my expectations,
so I'm not too let down. Grand scheme of things. Yeah,
yeah, all right, I'll go unless you're deep deep in hell there,
Okay. Kind of riding the same wavelength as Dylan going into this one,
probably just due to like the setbacks that this movie had and a lot of
red flags going like just before it even came out right, which doesn't do
well at any point. But so I had super super low expectations in this.
I was like, oh man, I have to go see this,
Like it was like, oh man, I was on the retro so I'm
I'm pretty committed. It wasn't really the case there, but so having like
that in the back of my mind where I was just so like not looking
forward to it, there was actually like some some bright patches that I can
take from it. Like I was telling Travis before the cast, Sophie Turner
like her overall, Like the acting wise, I I really appreciated her,
Like there's some emotional scenes kind of it's basically her movie, but I feel
like, like the first act, I really really liked what was happening with
that character, Like when she's first kind of like freaking out, Uh,
can't really control herself, Like I don't know, she's just selling it really
well. Like those scenes that she has with Scott and stuff. I really
like that stuff. But totally the dialogue was so brutal sometimes, Like I
liked her acting on what she was doing, but like for the stuff she
was saying, it was just like, oh man, like so like corny
and cheese and like you said, just cookie cutter, like just so basic.
And for a movie of this like Triple A title, you expect so
much more, but unfortunately that's not what we got. And like I already
said, I had such low expectations, so it's not like I was expecting
that in Glorious Bastard's dialogue. And yeah, it's funny going from, like
you mentioned, going from a movie like that to this. It's just like,
oh man, But yeah, like the bright patches that I was thinking
of, like a lot of it was in like probably like the first half
of the movie. Like I guess I'll say that for spoilers and stuff,
but right, yeah, but no, like like visually, I liked a
lot of like the CG and like core choreography that they had for like the
fight scenes. I do agree with you, like it was getting a little
bit too much action for me. But overall, like before, I guess
I would say, like before it got to near the end when there was
just so much action going on, I really appreciate like the fights that they
had or just like seeing them use their powers. The special effects just look
really neat. They kind of changed, like the baffing that they had for
Nightcrawl compared to what they had. And like the original, I think I
prefer the original more just because I probably grew up with that, but like
this one just seems more colorful, Like when you baffs. It just leaves
this kind of like pastel looking color, whereas before just like a really dark
I don't know, I don't know how to explain it, but okay,
but but yeah, just stuff like that and just seeing them use their powers.
Like visually it was it was good looking, but when you go down
to like the bare bones of like what makes a good movie, it is
that dialogue and what carries it, and it is big let down, especially
seeing like Fastbender on the screen, one of my favorite actors and I love
seeing him on there. But he was jack this movie. Yeah, I
guess he's ever been you don't know what. He looked really good. He
was on his island. He's just getting jack Man lift. Yeah. But
yeah, like I'm kind of like Dylan, like I'm kind of scratching my
head for some pros in here. Yeah, it's tough, It's okay,
you know, it happens. Yeah, it's uh So, I don't know
if if you don't have really high expectations going into this, because following the
path that Apocalypse left like that was kind of a disappointing movie as well,
so it's kind of on that same same path, I guess. But it's
like, uh, because we just did the retro go back and check it
out. It's like X three and Origins back to back. They love doing
like not good movies back like the one too. Yeah, this one's apocalyps
not the Grace, and then we hit you with the Origins this like oh,
or yeah, no X three not the Grace, we hit you with
the Origins the same thing, Oh, Apocalypse. It's just fine that like
comm of Dark Phoenix and just like not yeah exactly, and like, it
is unfortunate that it is how they ended off, like this whole series,
the whole X Men from what we've known since like two thousands I guess right
in that same one. So it is kind of unfortunate. But at the
same time, it's like, well, at least it's kind of over now,
right, we can we can see what Disney does with X Men logan.
Yeah, at least we got logan. Yeah, that's the right.
I guess I forgot to say this too, but would you theaters, would
you recommend it for fans who would you recommend it for it's or would you
say it's not worth to go in theater. It's funny that you mentioned that
because I saw it. I know viewers might not know this, but on
the Extreme Theater on the West Side, and they just recently readd their audio.
I at certain points I thought it was like too loud. I was
like getting nervous, like with there's just some like intense things going on.
I could like feel it like in my chest. I'm like, man,
I feel like someone's gonna go complain with how loud this is because this is
insane. You're getting old man. Just the audio. There's the red Well
speak. No, they have like speakers on the roof now like literally like
above above you, so it's like on the sides and above, so you're
just in a fucking subwhiffer. Like it's insane audio. Yeah. Yeah,
theater just one or two. It's just the extreme theater, I believe.
But I mean like in every single no, like there's in the extreme Streme
theater. Yeah, like you Taylor have not learned this. In all use,
there's one theater screen in that called the movie theater is the extreme,
but there's technically one screen that is the extreme. Okay, well, if
you say the extreme theater, I'm sorry, I apologize the extreme screen.
He did say screen and you said, oh, so all the screens,
that's fair, But I don't know if you said I don't know if you
actually did say extreme screen read it back. Yeah, but I don't actually
know why I'm asking. It really doesn't matter if viewers don't care. But
that's that's right, that's what you get. That that's what you get.
It's a mess, just like how this movie was. But uh yeah,
overall, i'd say if you're a diehard fan and you followed, like like
if you watched all of our retros, definitely goes seeing the right. But
uh yeah, for the average person, I'd say just wait for it to
be on Netflix or digital, say a cheap Tuesday, just because of the
sound and the effects, Like it's it's fun to see. So I don't
know, I could say cheap Tuesday. Yeah, that's a fair. Feel
like I'm doing someone a disservice. Disservice. Yeah, you don't want to
rub them up the wrong tree, right, I don't want to rub someone
up the wrong tree. Uh yeah, I'll go into more of the specifics
on the spoilers, So I'll just let Travis take the take the helm.
Yeah, I guess I can start because so I don't forget my recommendation on
the difference of Dylan and I think if you're a heart Er Mobile X Men
fan, you got to see it. But even Taylor, who's not,
I'm like, I don't know if I can recommend this for a cheap Tuesday.
It's just so here's the best way I could and you could go back.
That's a great thing. I love that we've been doing this podcast for
years because now before you have to just believe me. Now there's record proofs.
So ever since this movie was announced, I said, this is a
bad idea all round. It was, and we'll get in this some spoilers,
but introducing Jean Gray the way he did an Apocalypse and with her having
solo screen time and then being like, we're gonna do Phoenix next was always
a bad idea. So it was my kind of the three strikes I had
was one Apocalypse, not the Grace, and I'm some of that still likes
that movie, not as much as my first off, but I still like
it. There's still merrit in it. So it was one that's not the
greatest movie. Two you have Simon Kimberg, who's never directed a movie at
all, he's written some X Men, he's produced, but he's never directed
a movie. So we're got some of that. That's great. And then,
like I said, the third one was we're gonna jump in a Geenans
storyline right away, and we're just we've already done this. The best way
I could describe this movie is a blind date. Now, the thing is,
and let's say you don't like blind dates. So those three strikes were
what I told you, And that's where you're like, Oh, I'm a
little nervous, I don't want to go on this blind date and everything like
that. And then you go on a date and you're like, oh,
this is actually going well, this is fine, everything like that, and
then midway through the date she's like, oh, I'm in this cult or
like I hate dogs, and you're like, oh, it really took a
downhill. And that's what this movie was. Where I was I was not
looking forward going into for many many reasons. The reviews come out, people
were kind of bashing and saying okay, and I already not had it much
hype for all those reasons. And then for the first thirty forty five minutes
I was really enjoying. I was liking the characters. I was like in
sud their motivations. Other than some spoiler connuity issues we'll get into, I
was enjoying it a lot, and it felt this when they did say,
oh, it's Jean's movie, it did kind of feel like that. It
felt like it was like a nice little character piece on her. Even though
and I felt like it was. It was good, but it was as
good as it could get because of the setup before. I still think,
oh, this would have been the perfect Phoenix movie. No, it's just
it was good and I had some great moments in it, and there's it's
not like there's one big twist or one thing that changes and it's like whoosh,
like this changes the whole movie. It just it just slowly started to
get worse and worse and worse, and I like, I think I'm a
little on the minority. I like kind of half the action. There's some
action scenes I like, and I can't give context without spoiling the third act.
I think it's just a mess and I hate it. There's so many
characters that are flip flopping with character motivations going on. I guess, for
a pro I would say that lots of people a saying, oh Fastpanner is
great in this movie. I agree, but I also think other people are
good too. I think this is Jennifer Laurren's best performed since First Class.
I think there's a reason for that, what she'll get into. But I
really liked what they had going on with her and her performance. Nicholas Holt,
who I feel bad because I've been trashing the past few weeks, not
trashing, just like I really don't want him as Batman. He's a good
actor. I want his feet. I want him be the Riddler, and
I think there's some scenes in here that proved that. Even though, like
Dylan and Kurt Will talking about writing is not great, character development isn't that
great, but I think he did a good job. There's one scene in
particular, and I really liked they were doing something different. They had some
James mcfoy play a different type of Charles Xavier, but they didn't really dive
into that. And that's where it's kind of like X three, where extually
had all these things of you had the Cure, you had Magneto, you
had Jean, you had Dark Phoenix, you had Scott going on a bike
somewhere you had all this stuff and it was all about like the bike,
it was all about random things. All the stuff in this movie is centering
around Jean, but it's still a bunch of different storylines breaking off from that
don't really that are all in there by themselves like good ideas, but they
don't take a deep dive into any of them, you know. And that's
what really sucks is they say it's Jean's movie, and it kind of is,
but it's really not because there's lots where it's just there's so many other
characters talking about this, so that and the villain in this movie is not
good. It's it's really lame. It's really like two thousand's bad comic book
movie stuff. And it's really disappointing because that woman has an oscar on a
shelf and she's a great actress. So I totally forgot to mention the presence
of a villain at all. So there you go. I think they forgot
and that's then they're like, oh, we gotta put that in the movie,
and that's that's what it feels like. Yeah, like I said,
I think the actors tried their best. I don't think there's any really bad
acting in here. They try their best, but it was just like I
said, it just just win downhill really quickly. And it's very disappointing that
this is the end. I'll just Luckily we got Logan Days of Future Past.
I kind of count that as my ending. But it's just a shame.
And even them don't trash it. People go, oh, of course,
it's another ax Men movie by FOXX. They gave us great movies.
They gave us movies that I think, you know, when you look at
Logan and Deadpool, Disney would have never done anything like that, you know,
so they really have created won the greatest franchises of all time. Unfortunately,
they got a lot of black marks on it, and that's this is
one of them. And Kirk will ask you, because I made you predict
this on the rankings episode, where would you actually rank this in the non
splayers for the movies? I think I, oh, geez, Because while
I was watching it, I was kind of comparing it to Apocalypse because I
felt like it was kind of on those same lines, like in the like
like I already mentioned, like the first and also like Travis mentioned, like
the movie starts pretty good, but it just starts getting worse and worse.
So like on that first act, I was like, man, like this
is kind of promising, like what are people talking about this? This is
gonna be a good movie exactly. I had those thoughts and I'm like,
Okay, this is looking pretty good. But then it just started going downhill.
And then when I think of like Apocalypse, because like that's really what
I'm comparing it to. Yeah, it's definitely better than like Origins. Oh,
I think I personally like it more than Last Stand because Last Stan was
just so much random shit going on. But uh, for like Apocalypse though,
thinking of like iconic scenes like the like the death scene of Fastbender's family,
like that's just such a like like well done scene and like how he
like he sold it emotionally, like it definitely I think like raised like just
from that one scene alone raised it above this movie for me. So i'd
say icon like, we're not gonna spoil a name a scene, but I
couldn't name you a scene where I walked with and oh there's one scene in
this movie that was great, you know. Yeah, Like I could say
like kind of like a like a sequence of kind of what happens like that's
my preferred for the movie, but totally like I could not think of an
iconic scene like like kind of with Apocalypse, how it had the Fastbender scene
and then for me personally, I might be in a minority, but I
really really like the quick silver scene in the Mansions. So yeah, like
some iconic scenes right from that, whereas this one I can't. So I
definitely put it probably I can't remember specifically. Three was Origins X three and
then A Yeah, I think that was like across the board. Wasn't that
all three of you? Yeah, I think so, yeah, that was
pretty yeah, and I think you predicted it was gonna be better than Apocalypse,
but yeah, so it's definitely worse than Apocalypse on my list, and
I feel like it's it's almost tied with Last Stand because Last Stand when I
originally watch it might be a Dylan effect, like I was like, oh,
this is a pretty cool movie, but then when we re watched it,
it's just like, man, I can't like I must have just been
young and dumb or something. Just a lot of like big mess going on.
So uh, I'd put it somewhere there. Okay, Yeah, so
if you're a diehard. You didn't answer the question, Kirkling giftive answer,
did I said, like tied with the last? Or is that okay?
I'll put it. It's important looking back, especially with the Red sho Okay,
I was gonna say something comes to you and says you have to watch
one of these movies, which one would you pick? That's always the way
I say it. I'd say this one, okay, So this is where
I was because of the action scenes and stuff. Probably this is where I'll
take over. And and that's why if you're die hard, it might spoil
the score. I think it's almost identical X three, but I would put
it below X three because even though I love Fastbender, they don't kind of
allude his magneto is not the greatest in this movie. And X three you
still got Hugh Jackman and Hugh Jackman's fucking gret Fair. And that's where X
three I think has more rewatchability as like it's bad good, where this is
not a bad good, it's just that depressing where it's like, oh,
we're doing this, we're doing this. It's like they feel like this is
gonna be big, an epic, but it's like, no, it's not.
It's just like it's then it's not fan forstic where it does get bad
in but it's not like a disaster. It's just like, oh, this
is a boring choice and all this character is doing this and like, ah,
like that just fair points. But I also feel like what they did
with uh, last Stan, it was just they tried to throw so much
in like on the in the same movie or is this one they they definitely
like they had some like especially like the villains that they had in there.
It like it wasn't a big I don't know what you'd call it, kind
of like when you go to go to seven to eleven you get a slurp
and you get all the flavors. Like I feel like that's what Last Stan
was. It was just a big mess, right like oh, like I
kind of regret that it just tastes like swamp. But this to me is
like you went to go get one flavor and it was all watery and mush
and you're like, oh, like maybe I should have took that swamp water
least it's a full slush like this is like the maybe that's like a it's
like a personal thing though maybe some people do like or prefer that watery thing
as opposed to the swamp water. Maybe you prefer the swamp water or a
mix of I've had that similar situation where I went there to get a certain
flavor and they only had like just all these random fruity flavors and stuff.
Yeah on was you never hear explosion? You know what I did? I
just fucking left. I just left. No, Like, you brought up
some good points having Hugh Jackman in there, but I don't know, like
when I compare like the Magnetos, for example, Magneto and Last Stand,
I really wasn't a fan of his. Oh yeah, fair enough, but
I feel like I can when we get into sports, he's almost like Last
and again, where he's doing stuff that easily Last Stand. You know,
last time I saw it was Yeah, probably maybe spoilers because I feel like
we're starting, Yeah, we're stalling. We're so okay, So this is
it three to one geek versus symbol, So let's get a spoiled. So
my whole thing is, let's start with Magneto, because it's brought up anything
like that. He's to me, he's always been the MVP since they took
over. I legitimately think if we because I don't know if we'll do the
logistics of it, but I want to because next year is twenty twenty.
I want to do a Golden Geeks the past decade, and I think he's
an automatic for one movie of like a Golden Geek film of like the past
ten right from twenty ten tow I can see. It's such a hard question
to answer because if I have to take this movie into account, then that
sucks for him. No, no, we pick one specific movie. Yeah,
yeah, no, no, Yeah, we're going days Peach Pass first.
Yeah, we're not saying like as a career. Well. Once again,
that's tricky though, because such it's an ensemble cast. So I don't
know if I could just I don't know if he has like enough content any
particular movie, but for one one is like when we have our best villain
category, I mean, yeah, yeah, I think he's worthy. I
think he is. But that's what we'll talk about. Man, that's a
big discussion, right. Yeah. I don't know if I can just say,
like, you clearly thought about it already, as I haven't thought about
the whole decade, So I can't just say, anybody anywhere, I think
you got Day's feu pass and first class one of those I think he is
these past few years. And I think next to Ledger's Joker, we got
Thanos up there and for me, kill Monger, Loki. I think he's
easily in that top five top three is great villains. He's so passed Ian.
My problem is so like an X three, he talked about how he's
kind of not himself. I was liking how they introduced him of Oh,
I think he's gonna be like this, like peaceful, like well he's even
talking about that. When Gene goes up to him, it's just like,
yeah, I don't kill anymore. Yeah right. But that's the problem where
I'm like, oh, this is cool. It's like because every X Men
we always do get a different Magnetu. I'm like, oh, we're gonna
get like this peaceful Magneto. And we've seen him, of course fighting the
trailers, but I thought it was gonna be always backs against the wall and
he has to fight, and so he gives this whole speech. Yeah okay,
we said, was right, So this is your last chance. He
gives this whole speech to Gene, which I liked. I think I don't
know if Dylan's fan the dialogue. I think some of the dialogue is pretty
generic and they're just like, oh, I stopped killing and it hell and
it's like okay, so it's just like what we kind of heard, like
Dexter said this before. I think, like, yeah, I know,
it just feels like a like a Comico move from like early two thousands of
coming right, where it's just they just have like generic action movie lines.
Yeah, but either way, I like the way he's acting it, the
way he's portraying it does seem that he has evolved and he's not that man
anymore. And then what happens is five ten minutes later, be shows up,
Oh he killed Raven uh and then Hank just drops a line like I
need you to find her. Well, if I find her, I'll kill
her in the hankles I know. So literally we had this whole big speech
and moment where he's like, I'm not that man anymore, and because he
literally says killing didn't help me, so I stopped. And then what does
he do five minutes later, Well, we gotta kill we gotta kill Gene,
don't we. So to me, he has that same thing at three
where it's like what is uh, what is he like at the end of
Apocalypse, like what kind of magneto do we get there? He is?
So the whole thing is he has his family, right, he retired,
his family gets killed, and that's where he's like, yeah, fuck the
human So it goes with Apocalypse and at the end he turns into a hero
of Apocalypse kind of has the upper hand and he takes these metal and he
throws a big giant X and he says, I'm like I need to Yeah,
I need to choose my family. So it ended with and he was
at the Manchu with Charles being like, you know, like good luck everything.
So he had already turned like fully good guy and we went back to
like you can argue he's like a good guy trying to do good, but
he just that's what I hate that he turned that corner. And I thought
they should have done They should have never and we'll get into they should have
never done the whole X men versus X men thing, because that was end
up being pointless. It should have been them all as a unit together.
They gotta have their differences, but all as a unit trying to take Gene
down. So I hated that he was this new Magneto and then five minutes
later, No, they just killed that. There's no point to it.
Don't have him say any of that stuff about I don't kill anymore. Yeah,
well, like the two teams that were trying to get Gene, I
feel like it was the angry team, which was like Hank and Magneto,
and then it was like the people that were trying to help her, right,
So like that, Yeah, I would have agreed if or sorry,
I would have appreciated more if they could have just you know, we need
to help Gene, we need to like stop her off sleep from harming anyone
else. But it was just Magneto was totally flipped a switch, just full
angry. And then and that's the problem again because then he flips the switch
at the end and she's like, you're Protector, I've had a change of
herror. Why then, why like it just definitely RADI why it could have
been simply fixed if they had that the situation where he's up against Phoenix and
maybe he like has the upprehend and he has the opportunity to kill her,
but then he doesn't because he just said earlier, like, oh, that's
not the kind of person I am. I don't want to do this right,
And then and then that she can like kind of break out, and
then you can have the thing where she's still trucking around like he's trying to
be like, yeah, I could be that old Magneto. I could kill
her, and then he's like, no, what's the point, But he
does. He just like for some reason, Scott has this line of just
like that's what a raven would have wanted, and it's just like, really,
that's like your whole thing that changes Beasts and Magneto and all of them,
Like that's the so frustrating that they change their motivations like three times within
one movie, and it's like, what are we doing here? I don't
I don't get it, don't get it. Yeah, it seemed very unnecessary
and I don't know. I would say that that that fight scene as well,
like between the two X teams, this is probably my least favorite of
the action. I agree, I did think it was I thought it was
fine, but you have like multiple cuts of Cyclops shooting Magneto and him holding
like a piece of metal, and it keeps cutting back to it though,
and he shows it like four times and exager holds that girl there for quite
a while. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a it's a weird scene.
And then you have like that Medusa guy with like the whip hair. We've
never never met him before, but he reminded me of a fucking grip hook
or that's exactly what I'm like, Oh no, that was DC. Can't
be the same guy. I know he had like the same style and everything.
I'm gonna see who played him, because you never know, you never
know. He's the kind of guy to get in the superhero draft. All
right, I'm an X Men. Now here we go and it's like,
oh, I'm playing this guy, but you no, I totally agree with
what you're saying on Magneto there, right, it just makes him feel like
a flat character, like even though he technically has like I don't know,
a dynamic story there, it's just so poorly written and so rushed. And
that's that's kind of the problem with a lot of the motivation like Phoenix Dark
Phoenix across the board Jean Gray. I should say like her story is pretty
good, but I just think like a lot of it feels rushed right where
there's like increments of like how much she's turned kind of evil and how much
he's not. And I don't know, I think pacing issues are all over
the place. But yeah, that's for Magneta Like it sucks, but I
don't think I have like anything else to sound him like there there isn't really
any scenes. I guess. The one thing that I really just liked as
well was his ending scene with Xavier where he like goes to sit down and
play chess, because that could have been such a nice scene, but to
me, the dialogue was just so lame that I didn't it didn't have like
a satisfying like button on the end of it. No, I totally agree.
It's like it could have been such a idea of that scene, such
a beautiful execution, especially like they've done that back with Geez I'm blanking E
McKellen and Patrick Stewart. Yeah, every movie, like they always have that,
so especially if they're ending the series with those two guys, like those
two characters not necessarily actors, but they've been a part of this whole thing.
Like I feel like they just tripped on the delivery though, And it
definitely sketchy dialogue. It isn't It has to do with what Trav's is saying
too, where he's like gonna kill Phoenix and he's he's evil again, but
then he's just not. And in that scene they're just like Palace right.
It's just none of it really fit together well. And you have to wonder
if there's like more scenes that were meant to be in the middle of those
two that either got cut or just didn't work reshoots. Who knows what happened
there, but overall just made Magneto a really lame character. Yeah, it
might not be the greatest, but I like that that's where the movie ends,
if this is the last one such thing where I don't mind it,
and I do like him being like, oh, well, you know,
he helped me out once in life and kind of calling back to even their
meeting, not even the McKellen's Stewart one. So I didn't mind it.
The scenes that I liked it because the dialogue wasn't the greatest. Place.
I liked the scene with him and Jane. I thought at that point,
oh, we're getting different type Magneto. I liked that scene him and a
hankk had By the campfire of talking about Rave and how they both like loved
her differently, and even the scene where he finds out that mystique is dead
Fastbender he told he's I think he's the Hollywood of like selling that someone important
has died to him, and you just feel it because just he just walks
away and he's just holding that airplane, and any other movie would have him
like throw something or be really mad, but it's just like and that's where
no shot endgame. But like you look at Hallky just throws a bench right
like it's just a subtle moment. He's just standing there. The camera's on
him for a while, tears dropping, and then he turns around. He's
like cycle killer. But yeah, those are like the scenes I liked of
his But that for me, I don't understand why we took the detour into
civil war route because also his beasts. I get that he's angry. I
did not buy that he would just want to flat out murder Raven or murder
sorry, murder Gene. In my opinion, I just has never been set
up because his anger is not that kind of character. No, and his
anger in this movie is at Charles. It's not at her. So if
anything, it's like I wouldn't buy it either. But if you're like,
I'm gonna try to kill Charles and okay, maybe I guess, but it's
not like I felt like he perfectly understood that Gina can't control this and with
Charles kind of fault. But then no, let's he just resources to straight
up murder. I don't do you think? Do you guys feel like he
got a power upgrade in this movie? Like, I don't know. I
haven't watched the pocalyps recently. I don't think so. I think he just
didn't have many actions scenes. That's the problem in any of them. Yeah,
so it's just like we've never seen we just felt like, well,
he was just whipping a think about like he was angry, right, So
I feel like I feel like you get just more adrenaline if you're if you're
angry, especially if you're a beast. But does that power him up?
Like in the comics, it's just it powers you up as a human,
right, yeah, adrenaline? Any? Yeah, I guess. So,
Yeah, I just curious since we're I mean, do we have anything else?
Sam Fastbender? Really No, I was gonna beast? Yeah, well,
okay, that's exactly perfect. I'm in the right in the right class
war going to hank uh if you tune into our retro. I'm a notorious
hater of this guy. What's his name again, Nicholas. Yeah, like
not the actor, not the actor in general, just like what he does
with this character. I actually I think this is I know it like he's
really bad in this, but I feel like this is where I like him
kind of the most, honestly, because I don't think he's really bad or
do you mean the characters really bad? Well, like what they did with
him. Okay, I'm not a fan. I'm making sure he wasn't taking
shots at Holt again. No, no, no, Like like I saw
him recently in the this Tolkien movie. He plays Tolkien, and I'm a
big fan of his. Now is a good movie. He's good. Yeah,
it's a really good movie. I'll check it out. I thought it
would be just kind of like some bland biopic, but it actually was very
emotional, well done. Awesome to check it out. But I also feel
just like the look in general, like this is definitely the best he's looked
like. I remember I was just shitting on the way he was talking,
like he just looked like he was so like plastic y. It was almost
like he just had so much botox, Like when he would talk, you
like couldn't even see his lips move or is this one it seemed like they
just did like more of like uh like makeup as opposed to him wearing like
a big mask. So I don't know, Like for me, it just
it looked a lot better when he was talking in like the beast form,
so like that was a plus on that or sorry, that was like that
was a plus on that character. But I feel like once once we got
into those later acts, it's just following the theme of this movie, Like
once we got later on, it just was going to shit. Like when
he is obviously everyone's pretty choked up about Raven, I feel like Charles would
almost be like the most choked up about anyone, because like he's known her
the longest, but like beasts just full on just like this is your fault.
I'm so mad. I like that scene. I like that in the
kitchen, Yeah, yeah, because I like that he's like, oh this
is where I first met callback, Yeah, And I think that's where a
whole showed he was a good actor, Like I like, it wasn't the
same thing. He was doing the angry yelling cry kind of like the reverse
of Fastpenner. But I didn't come off as cheesey in that moment. I
love they just like smashes the ball and everything. So I liked him in
that moment. I really liked to when Raven did die. I think he
sold that really well, which impressive for those two because they are a next
couple, so you gotta be that yeah in real life, so to be
up close you know X couple good Yeah yeah, but uh yeah. Me
personally, I like, I like the setup of the scene and I like
the acting of it, but the dialogue it just struck down from me,
Like I didn't like just what he was saying to Charles, like this is
all your fault, Like it just didn't make sense. But She's like,
he's a pretty smart guy. Maybe I don't know. Maybe you can argue
that it's just the emotions blinding him, right, But I don't know.
For me personally, I just wasn't don't think that it makes sense for him
to think it's Exavier's fault. M No, Well, this is the this
is the problem. That they've they've muddled it because Apocalypse ended with her destroying
blips upon say that three tons fast Apocalypse by her starting to turn into the
Phoenix Force, and like I was supposed to and that's not the way it
happens to comics, but sort of hinting that, Okay, she has something
inside her. So to me, if they just went with that and it
was, oh, Charles locked this power away and it came out, then
to me, I'd be like, oh, it is his it's fully his
fault. But this wasn't his fault that some I guess made the space mission,
but he didn't know there's gonna be a fucking they just thought was solar
shit. They didn't. He didn't know it was gonna be some alien life,
so it was gonna take her over. So that's why I wish they
didn't even do any of that, But that's why they had to interest the
villain, which we'll get into. But so that's what I mean, Like,
I think he has like fifty percent his fault, but really it's like,
if Jeane didn't get attached by this alien force she was probably wouldn't have
been fine, and her life would have continued So that's why I don't get
why Classic X Men they just like they literally, well it's so sloppy.
They literally did something to end their movie and they just ignored it. They
just ignored it. I don't I didn't take it that Feast was upset that
or he wasn't blaming Xavier for like giving her that power. He was blaming
him for like bottling up those emotional things that he that like at some point
would come out and then just make her really angry. Yeah, but was
that even like why she killed Raven. I feel like it was one hundred
percent because she absorbed all that power though from space like like bodily up those
memories obviously, like it kind of had an effect with just the amount of
power that she had from like the dark Phoenix force, Like would you even
call it, Like do they even mention that it's the Phoenix that she absorbs
or she already had the Phoenix in her? I don't know if they.
Well they did say the alien lady said it was attracted to her and that's
why it was there because it was like and she's powering towards her, So
clearly she had something inside of her already, like a part of it.
Who knows how much, but I mean that was probably what was giving her
power in the first place. It made her like a mutant, yes,
but she clearly obviously could turned to a flaming bird. I don't think so
in this movie. I think they're trying to say that she's just a regular
mutant that got this power and it was just attractor because she's a powerful mutant.
I'm not saying you and I are right, because they don't explain it
at all. And that's my other they do it. They just explain it
very, very like quickly. Oh yeah, even Vogue or Vague who get
that's her name is she does like the whole ego from Guardians two explanation this
is the plan and we can make a better world, and it's just like,
oh boy, here we go. And the other thing is because I
know we're gonna done the villa when you're talking about Hank's motivations and with Gene
and we don't we're not clear if like this would have made her become psycho
or whatnot. For me, it didn't. But the other thing is I
felt you want to say whatever you want about X three, and I don't
think it's done the greatest. But you can see when she's Gene and you
see when she's Phoenix. There's times in this movie I didn't feel that I
could understand if Gene like it felt like it was Gene and join this power,
not the Phoenix taking over. That was a big call for me,
because sometimes it did feel like full in Phoenix on Evil, But other times
she's talking as Gene and then she just slowly turns to Evil and they could
try and say, oh, we're trying to go for the subtle approach.
I don't think. I think it just was wishy washed. You're like,
I don't understand as she enjoying this? Is she not? I felt the
whole relationship with the Phoenix was really muddled and I didn't understand a lot of
it. I didn't understand, who is this character that I'm watching? Is
she like when she makes Charles walk up those stairs, like, I don't
know, is this Gene just feeling evil? Is this the Phoenix? I
know, I think Phoenix, I know, but it was it's just straight
line. The line was very like Gray. I guess, yeah, I
just feel that when they're talking. I don't know, it just it.
I don't think they did a good job of portraying the phoenix powers. Yeah,
like I feel like a lot of it's kind of left for interpretation because
I feel like like there's certain moments. I mean, it's like there are
moments that it is very obvious, like when she goes full I don't know
what you'd call it, just like glowy veines, like her eyes get all
intense and she's just all pissed, like that's obviously the Phoenix. But then
there's scenes like when she goes to meet her your father and uh, like
she's all friendly because she hasn't seen her dad for whatever, and then she's
just looking at the images and just her tone kind of changes and the way
she talks it's just very like flat. It's like why is there no photos?
And yeah, so like that, it's like, Okay, I feel
like she's the Phoenix right now, but it's really not clear like whatsoever,
because she still looks the same, whereas, like you mentioned in last stand,
she totally looks different when she's the Phoenix, Like her eyes go like
basy black and she just looks all all intense and like, yeah, I
understood that when she's bringing Charles up. That is the Phoenix. It's just
I feel that the switches in between, and maybe that's what they're going for.
It was very subtle. She can any second become Phoenix. But I
don't think they didn't make the personalities too different. That was the problem.
It still felt like Gene was talking through the Phoenix. I guess it was
because not done well. I mean, I can't remember back to like when
in is it in X two that you get introduced to the dark Phoenix?
Uh, just at the very end it's hinted at because that's it's not the
dark Phoenix, that's just the Phoenix dead or is there a difference? So
by the time I guess you're in X three, like she's potentially had that
Dark Phoenix in her for some time. They take the approach that she's had
that since a child, and they do the same thing where child blocked her
memory and took stuff out and put some walls up, and she's had it
with her and maybe that's why they changed it to be like this alien force.
But they still that's what I mean, I don't know, they still
insinuate that's maybe with her, maybe not, but so an extray. It's
been with her whole life and it just woke up. Yeah. Yeah,
I agree with what you said earlier that it's like just kind of ambiguous,
like they don't really you don't really know for sure, And that's kind of
how I feel about the beast thing as well. Like maybe I'm just wrong,
but I just I took that scene of why he's mad at exaviera like
completely differently, and I think a way to fix that was like almost in
this movie where you have that scene with Raven when she's talking to Xavier about
like what he's doing, like how he's risking their people in like in favor
of the humans. And I feel like if there's maybe a scene where Raven
and beasts talk and she expresses her frustration with like that conversation with beasts,
like maybe that would have like fully explained why he was mad at him.
Yeah, she does just attack he's not the same Charles that used to be
and then kind away Yeah, but like maybe she I mean, maybe it's
not entertained for the viewer to just see that scene like spoken again, but
obviously you can be creative with it. But if they just like if she
goes more in depth there, then maybe it gives more reason for Beasts to
just yeah, be mad at Xavier and and I mean because it's not that's
not just the implication. The implication is that he's also down to just kill
her. Right, So it shows there's clearly a big shift has happened,
and we just kind of see like a quarter or made like half of it.
So the ambiguous the ambiguity between like with Dark Phoenix and g Gray,
is also kind of with like Beasts and his motivations, and I guess it's
kind of it's just like all the characters, Like the only people that don't
have that is Cyclops and Storm, but they're like Scott is just I love
you. He has a very simple story. Yeah, and Storm is just
there to do badass. She just looks cool. Yeah, and that's it.
I am glad she is the voice though kill What was I saying?
Sorry I threw you off with that, I don't remember. I guess to
just talk talk more on things. I pretty much I pretty much agree with
you guys. I like you said in your sport of the Free section,
Like I think for the most part, she does have like a maybe not
in the most part, but she does have a lot of really good lines
in there, and there is like a development to it. It just kind
of gets murky in the last like half of the movie or something like that.
I don't know when exactly, but I don't know. There is like
a progression to it where it's like taking more control of her, and it
just maybe if they made that a little more clear, like when she's in
it and when she's not, and like I guess they kind of show like
some of the triggers, Like one of them is like the campfire triggers it,
and then one of them is like when she's in her dad's house and
like there's no pictures of her, and it's I don't know, those are
like two very different things. And I don't know, is do you have
any other examples off the top of your head of things that like turn her
into it, because near the end of the movie it kind of just happens.
Well, I feel like I feel like it's when she thinks about like
Charles kind of controlling her and like putting up those walls because I don't know,
she feels like they're just like toning down her power where it's like this
is me, this is the way should be anytime police or military show up.
Yeah, so those are very like, very very different things that that
change like turn her into that mode. So maybe it is just like,
oh, it's just she's losing control. Every once in a while she goes
into it. But I don't know. Maybe there's like a meaningful reason for
it that could be a little more interesting. But then maybe that's hard to
do if if it's supposed to happen like that, change is supposed to happen
multiple times. Well, and that's why it's a personal thing. When you're
saying, oh, mystique, talking to beast wouldn't been exciting to me.
One of the things I liked the most was Dick had Charles at the beginning.
I liked seeing this new Charles of like they're on a roll. He's
cock, he's pompous, and yeah, they only explains like I'm not a
fanist, but I'm doing it because I want us to survive. And I
do love the line of you know, one bad thing and we can go
back to where we were years ago. So I liked like and Charles has
always been kind of he's a very nice, folly figure, but at times
he's kind of a little doe she especially in OGI like when the x mccomics
first started, he was he's an asshole, like more an Ashley. He's
gotten nicer over the year. So I like that idea of just he was
more about the mission and like he was getting past him. And in this
movie they spend very local the second mystique dies, that storyline's done with like
beasts like carries on, but they don't. They have one convo when he
yells at him. That's it. But I like that idea of and that's
the thing where to me, the tying of like I think they should have
chose either to do the alien villains or to make the whole movie a problem
with X Men versus X men, because to me, you don't do the
Civil War stuff if you got alien villains running around, because that's too much.
But if they would have done a whole like I know it could be
similar Civil War, but if you do a different spin about a moral tail
of hey you've been doing this and look at yourself, kind of like what
Tony Stark was in Civil War, right, Like he's going too far.
He thinks this is best for the group, but locking everyone up, is
like he can't see that. You're becoming so bad. You're locking your friends
up, You're putting them in prison, Like what are you doing? You're
destroying this team. And they literally set that up and they and yeah,
Charles like he apologized for it, but it's all stuff we don't see.
It's like, it's what we talk about with Tarantino when he does it,
well, the you know, tell don't or show, don't tell. Tarantino
can do that. Well, this doesn't do that anytime. At the end,
Charles just I'm sorry for this, and I should have done this.
I should have done this, and I should have done that. But it's
like who cares, because it's just we didn't get to see any of that.
It was a few combos. But I liked that idea of ascl Charles
work with the president accepting awards, and I liked that it's it's you get
that, and then you also get some of the backstory scenes, the flashbacks
of him with Gene as a kid, and I liked all those scenes.
I thought they were really good and it was like you, I don't know,
you saw different sides to it, and I like that that's part of
the reason why she comes back to like the good side near the end is
those conversations because they kind of set that up from the beginning. And yeah,
like you're right, Like I guess I didn't really think about it before
starting, you know, hitting record today, but really that character has gone
through like so many different arc changes of personality, like entirely. Yeah,
oh exactly, Like even thinking back to when we first got introduced to that
character and he was just you know, in the mansion by himself, just
get drunk and his hero and stuff. Yeah it's cure heroin. Yeah,
Like we've come a long way with that character, so it was fun to
see a different perspective of him. And we didn't really I mean I haven't
seen X one or x x two so much like we don't. We don't
get that kind of Charles and those movies do. No, he's the father
figure, like I'm leading the team a nice guy. X three is when
you get it like a little bit hinted because he like was doing so a
gene but same thing, they kill him all it's different in this movie.
He just goes way, but next year they kill him off. The better
answer like oh he was Yeah, I was like, Oh well, they
even like tribute that in this movie, she like picks him up and is
doing exactly honestly thought he was gonna die. I know, like, are
we kidding me? We're gonna do exact same turns to dust, which is
strange to a tribute that movie. But since we're talking about Charles, though,
I feel like because he does, he definitely goes through like different phases
in this movie, like he's the alcoholic, he's the charismatic guy shaking hands
with the president, and then he goes back to being like the father figure,
like he kind of brings back Gene. I just felt like they did
so much stuff with him, like he was just like instead of just diving
into the like one thing that they wanted to do with him, it just
felt like he kept like dipping his toes and something. Oh no, and
then they're switching it up in a different direction. And for me, I
didn't really I don't know, like I didn't get time to like get fully
like invest in what they were doing with him. So for me, I
wasn't really a big fan. Like this is definitely I think the lowest movie
for Macvoy's Charles. For me, personally out of all the ones that he's
been in. Yeah, Like, I don't know, it's probably just a
writing thing because I think, yeah, good. I mean, even what
should be a potentially really emotional scene when you know, they have the funeral
for Raven and he's giving the speech and it just feels like he's reading off
a script and not like he's not emotional at it at all. And yeah,
they've had a lot of problems. But yeah, even when she dies,
like as you mentioned earlier, he he doesn't really emote a whole lot
from that and that really should affect him. And then after that the funeral
scene, like does he bring it up again? I don't even know if
it's because I guess Beast and him have that conversation, yeah, because he's
like, how dare you? She's my childhood friend? Because that's what I
agree through that he felt cold in that funeral scene. But I thought they
were gonna go through that the whole movie that he's just really cold now,
But then he was. He was cold. But then that scene with Hanky
is pretty emotional about it, so you could say, oh, maybe he's
trying to stay strong for the team, but he doesn't have to. It's
just the X man, Like I don't know it was. It was very
strange pacing and what they chose to do with him, which it sucks that.
I think he did everything same. I think all the actors did good
with what they had. I liked, I agree with Like when he was
emotionally did that good When he was being like a like kind of asshole charge.
I thought he pulled that off well and I would like to see that
more. And like, don't talk about the scene the flashbacks with Gene.
I feel like old Charles. You know. It's like the acting is definitely
not the problem in this movie, which is a shame because you got all
these talented people, you know, the one that I just comedic thing on
shows. You can tell that he filmed some stuff around split because this is
like the most jacked Xavier has ever been. Like sometimes yeah, it's like
you don't want to He was at the cafe at the end. He's wearing
like a tight shirt and like he's been mentioned, he's bigger than the beast
is coming. Yeah no, yeah, he looked he looked pretty jacked.
It's funny coming off of sitting there, coming off of glass, like that
scene where he has to kind of dementedly walk up the stairs, and like
macfull could definitely do that. That wasn't a stun double like hen like he
practiced that in his own staircase at home. Very disturbing scene. It was
such a disturbing this this movie has some of those dark moments in it,
and they take me out of it because the whole movie like it's darker,
but it just because it's bad writing. I never really into it. But
when that happens, like it is a big moment, but it just comes
off as like this is just really dark. I don't even know if we
need it. She could just picked them up, but it like worked and
didn't work for me. I don't know. I'm still really uneasy about that
scene. I don't know. And also Magneto just like puts a train through
the wall for absolutely no reason. The block was the block block the door
there was the block cyclobes, Like it wasn't the door there because he put
a train through the wall, Like, no, there was the door,
the regular door. We walked through them put the train by. But I
still find that he could have just like put the train in front of the
door, like he didn't, you know, he like put it through the
building, like just trash it through the building. Oh well, yeah,
he just he wanted to make a statement. He wanted to make an entrance.
But like it didn't make much sense because like Cyclops also told me,
like before the movie or just in the group chat or something that like they
changed the finale in the train. I was like, it better not be
that fucking train. There was a lot of trains I felt like in this
movie. So I was like, oh, this is the last scene on
okay, different train, Oh this is the last okay okay, and I
will say too another They're like just very lazy plot writing and plot armor for
Magneto. They do this big bill about how Magneto is, you know.
Now he's like and I do like it. The score anytime Ignido's on screen.
The score. I love. When he was getting his old helmet out,
that was I was expecting that the helmet from fuck. I can't even
remember the movie. Now they're all intertwined from first class Sebastian Shaw first class,
yeah, ok yeah, first class. But when he's got like the
red helmet with like the no this was the Apocalypse, I was like,
I was like, I want to see it on, but I like that,
and I liked that scene. Again, I didn't like the context,
but I like just him putting on and just like that idea of I'm becoming
that person again. But they I like, well, no, I don't
like it. This is where we're getting to. He makes this big deal
about how he's just his ultimate killer and he's talking to Gene and Volk up
there and everything like that, and then she stops him and she just makes
him crack. But I'm oh, you're a killer, he You're doing such
a poor job. And then she's like, let me show you. Yeah,
and he doesn't. When later on she does a bad braids people and
everything like that, she throws some pieces of metal through him and like in
his shoulder and nothing happened. So that was so lame because I thought,
I agree. I thought, oh, they're gonna kill him off right here.
This is where it's going, because I'm like, okay, because to
me, that would make sense of he made this whole spiel about killing wasn't
the way. If he goes back to killing and you kill him off,
it shows yeah, he was right, killing wasn't the way because look where
it led him six feet under. No, he's fine. He gets out
of the Scott free. He's off in France with Charles doing chess or like.
But that was so lame that she didn't kill him right there. I
feel like they, yeah, one hundred percent agree with that. Like I
feel like he should have died there and then even when I know it would
have been kind of lame because we've already seen it, but I feel like
she also could have killed Charles there because I don't know, like, although
Charles does kind of get through her and like bring her back in, I
don't know. I just feel like it would have been a better sent off
for those two carecter instead of just playing chess at the end. I think
the I think they needed I think they needed him alive because that's the only
way they could bring her back, because that's a problem with her inside clubs,
just dating in this movie, like he can bring her back, but
really he tried and he's like, you said you'd always come back to me,
and that didn't work. So it's like, well, Scott, you
got nothing that is fair. I guess I have some plot holes in my
theory. Yeah, well, I don't think it's I think it's just they
got bad writing, and at the end of the day, I think you're
right. But I'm still happy that it ended with them playing chess. Not
the great scene, but I still like that that's the last thing. I
agree. I hate that we get some phoenix teas in the sky. It
was just like that's an annoying thing too, that it's not like it's a
last movie. But it's not because they do all this like setting up for
future movies. It's just like, I thought, you guys had time to
reshoot this. Why couldn't you just do anything to not do like, oh,
look the phoenix still out there and Hanks the teacher. Now. The
thing with that is I didn't mind it because when she like lost her body
in space, I like, in the back of my mind I knew that
she would be dying. Maybe maybe I just know some know something about that
character, like it's the phoenix, Like she just keeps reincarnie right, So
it's like, how is she supposed to die there? So I don't know.
For me, although it is cheesy, I didn't mind it really.
I was like, Okay, yeah, it's her movie. Let her fly
with the Phoenix Fly one last time, one last ride? Can we talk?
Did anyone want to go anywhere? Specifically? It sounds like YouTube.
I wanted to say something about Gene, but I lost it, so might
come back to me. I will say, I gotta show this up because
I'm so mad I didn't end the non spoilers. I thought she was great
as Gene at the beginning of stuff with Charles because I was not a fan
of her in Apocalypse. I was fan when they cast her, and then
in Apocalypse, I think it's just writing. We didn't spend much time in
there. I was again, I don't know how I feel about Sophie Turners
Jean Gray. I really liked her as she and great. I think she
did the Phoenix stuff good enough, like it's you know, I've never been
a crazy person with the demon in my mind, but a lot of CGI,
yeah, she just kind of has to you know, a lot of
floating, a lot of joint movements and stuff. But her Gene stuff was
really good and I like, even loved Dazzler was in this movie. That
was great. But I loved like the party at the fire Pit. I
love seeing the X Man. That was a better party than we did a
first class where they're just like hitting each other with chairs and stuff like that.
But I like that she's going around, she's having drinks like everything she
was in another like a shame that you know, it's not a good movie
so whatever, but that we won't see more of her. I really liked
her as Gene, and she really sold because in the Apocalypse I was not,
so I just wanted to shut that out before I forgot that good.
Yeah. I really was a big fan of Sophie Turner in this year.
Yeah, I've already mentioned the non spoilers. I feel like she was definitely
like a high point in this movie just her acting wise, and I liked
it just a lot more in the first bit, like when she is just
full on Gene or I guess, I guess after she gets the powers,
because then she's kind of breaking down and then like you do see some of
that good acting like emotional wise. Although I am watching Game of Thrones right
now, so maybe it's just bias. I'm really liking that actress, so
uh, but I remember what I was gonna say for her, just going
back to how we were talking about how like blocking the memories and stuff,
and like how Hank was just full on like this is the reason why she
killed Raven. I feel like like because he did block those memories, Like
they are very dramatic and very I don't know, like just just a mixed
bag of emotions. Like she she's sad because she lost her mom, not
her full family, but or I guess she she thought it was her full
family. But also like the anger that they hid it from her, also
the anger that her dad didn't even want her, right, Like that was
pretty harsh. But then you just combine that with like this super overly power
like dark Phoenix. I feel like it just kind of like intertweed, intertweened,
intertwined with like with each other. Yeah, and it just like it
just fed off both those sides, and like that's what really just made her
like her bubble burst, right, and that's how it killed Ravens. So
yeah, exactly, you see the emotion on her face after she killed Raven
realizes what she Yeah exactly, what what can she do? Yeah? Her
friends are right there, they also she just has to fly away. Yeah,
is it true that Jean killed Those people were going to help her.
Those kids were kind of annoying on the stairs, always on the side.
Yeah, there was a cute like the veins, but I feel like there
was a lack of weird looking mutants at the school. Yeah, there should
be more fish people like the spikes his body like last Yeah, multiple men,
just have like three kids that all look the same. Yeah. Also
just something hadn't been But uh, when they like when they do the mission
and then they come back and the whole school is cheering, and Charlie was
just like, all right, guys, it's like classes cancer for the rest
of the day. It's like, oh, man, like I'm learning to
become a mutant. I feel like I want to go to school. You're
not always doing that though. A lot of boring. Yeah, okay,
I didn't know that. I've never gone to a mutant school history and stuff
like that. Okay, fair enough, logan my bad. Yeah, I
just before I forget it because I knew I had heard it before. Lots
of people had a problem with the F bombs. I didn't have prom the
F bomb. I liked that I kill you because to me, he's young,
he's in love. That seemed like an idea because some people like it
seems so out of character. It seems it's just like to me, it's
just like young emotional. I get maybe it's just a character drop and f
bomb, but I thought it was just funny. Yeah, I think I
liked it. It was fine. The thing that stood out to me in
that particular sequences, I feel like they recorded they filmed some of those scenes
with like when only one person was on set. Yeah, and they like
had cuts like and I got that from him, especially because he's alone in
that shot. So I could just picture him like showing up on set one
day and like fast s Bender's you know, off recording Assassin's Creek. Can
you do this line today? He's like, lissense Creek, fucking do it.
Assassin's Crew was almost five years ago. I guess that's what probably start.
We've been doing this for like almost four years, and we recorded that.
We didn't review of that twenty sixteen, though we did a review of
it. I know twenty he wasn't, but he wasn't filming that all this.
That's what we're almost a joke. I know he wasn't filming Assassin's Creed.
I just want to forget about it, you know, like I want
to talk about the villains and these ana. Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it. So this was just awful just from start finish. I
have nothing pausitive to say about it. I must say when they first got
introduced at the party, it was kind of freaky, just like seeing them
through the world. Yeah, I like that cut, That's exactly what I
do. Yeah, so you got the Dbari kicking around. You got Vok,
who is a male in the comics, so they gender swapped her.
So that's fine, she could still be a man. There's definitely a few
lines in this movie that you know, kind of go along with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it shouldn't be called the ex Women Raven
that was so I'm all for equality, I'm all for whatever. Like that
line was very bad, just like, oh, you know, the women
keep saving the men around here. It seemed forced, right, it was
we should call the X women. And it's just like there's already this debate
because there's rumors going around. This is a side note, but there's rumors
going around that the MCU is not gonna call the movie X men. They're
gonna call X Factor, which people I get XO, but I just never
took it that way because like X Men is like, like the word man
is in human, the word men is in woman. I've never just tooken
that as like this is men, like like I just feel like it's just
people being like, oh, we gotta change, and maybe MCU will,
but I'm never gonna be a fan that I don't get from a branding point
of view too, where my mom's gonna be like, what's X factor,
Like if you see X Men with spix factor like a talent like a talent
show. Yeah. So it's just so that line just remind me. I
did not like that line, not for the fact that like, oh I'm
all about a man, it can't be X woman. It just was a
bad line. One day when we have Jessica on the cast, miss cheez
free white dudes was the word I was, miss, miss jove, miss
jovial. I don't actually know what word you're looking. You're looking for the
other word of white, right, misogynists. That's not I'm all for that.
It just that did feel really forced. That did feel really forced in
the way of because you got to think about that. Maybe it's happened in
the other movies, but we just had that one scene where it happens.
It would be different if it happened in the middle of the movie. We
saw women save them a bunch. It was just a It was not the
greatest and it's just because it is these rumors go around the X factors.
I'm not a fan of that name. I'm not a fan. I don't
know what to call. But just call X men because that's just the way
it is. That's a fanboy thing. If you just agree with me,
then that's what it's great. Yeah, it's just I don't know. I
feel like it's just a little too far. It's just I feel like people
have read too much into the word men there. But what do you think
of the villains? Not great? I hated I said this to Dyl last
night. So I'm a broken record for the fans, but I think it
makes sense here. I've always said was Civil War my second fair MC movie
now because of the endgame, because the endgame is just, you know,
pretty good movie. It's just the chef's kiss, you know. So I've
always said I said that our very first review that I did with Liam Kyle
and Dillon that my biggest fear when Civil War was happening. They set up
the subplot. There's a bunch of Winter Soldiers and the whole movie is about
how Cap and his team have to get there. And they get to this
facility and you see all these tanks. I'm like, oh man, we're
gonna fight all these Winter Soldiers are gonna be so boring. And then again
there and Zeals kill them all and it's like, oh, this is great.
And then there's like the triple threat with buck Yardmancap, and then it's
like orgasmic. This is literally there's a bunch of aliens and know what happens,
and a bunch of faceless no name aliens. All we know is Chas
Stains character who just walks around going like you don't know things. They don't
know things. Men have control this for too long. The world is more
powerful than you just saying just generic com book shit. All you have is
her who sits out the final fight, who's just staring at the train the
whole time. You just have the X Men versus a bunch of fucking people
from I AM Legend running around like being crazy aliens. The rules don't apply.
Because Dylan and I were talking about this, they show one alien on
the train and this helicopter machine gun takes it out and it dies, and
then all these other ones get shot. But I do remember at one point
they are back on the cop on the top and coppers are shooting them again,
and those ones are fine, So I don't think they established And maybe
I'm wrong, but I just felt like it's just like after you hit them
with fifty bullets. They yeah, but then you have like certain bullets,
only the special bullets from this gun, but not Fastbenders. That gun Fastbender,
who had all the guns of World War two, unload a clip on
Valk and it just was the rules were lame and it was just lames.
I mean, Vaka does have some dark phoenix in true she's got some more
power. And I think I'm saying right because they they because Dabari I had
to look up today, Vauk, I don't know. I did. Bari's
the Race of Aliens. Okay, yeah, they say that, I think
in the movie. Yeah, maybe it was tough. It was a mine
experience, so yeah, I just hate it. The end was just them
versus a bunch of CGI people. We don't care. I liked That's where
I actually liked lots of Magneto stuff. At one point he like that guy
punched the metal and he like broke his hand with the metal. Like that
was cool stuff. But it was just And there's one moment me and Dylan
laughed big time where Magneto took out a bunch of people. And I can't
remember because I've been trying to look at what mune it was. I don't
even think they said their name. She's the ball once you can tell that
she had the knife. And at one point they take out some people and
he like looks at her, and she looks at him, and and then
that Dabari just sticks his hand like so okay, I gotta sat because it's
her. She's standing right by an entrance of the train. The train's being
really quick, and they're staring at each other. It's almost like they're insinuating
there a couple or something like they're or they're good friends. She's standing there
and they're kind of like smiling, Yeah, we took out these people.
Dabari's hand just comes up by the head grass and pulls around and he goes
and she's dead. She's gone. That's it. That's the character. She's
gone, and it felt like a parody movie. And that's what happened at
the ending was just a complete mess. And it just was and that character
what a mess. She spends one scene and like maybe you know this camp
where she's like, yeah, just doing some weird like fucking what's enchantress and
doing some weird enchantress stuff and then Charles holds her. Yeah, she's like
that whole sights and she's just standing there and then she just gets him in
the next X Men movie and your family's just watching. You're just doing this
the whole time, and like you know, it would suck. It was
just not take your family too. It was just yeah, it was just
a mess. And that's why I said it was literally mind numbing when we
got that, and just the transition of the CGI look good, but just
these like holding to each other with Valkan stare downs and like feeding stuff going
back and forth. It was just it was very poor. It was just
uninspiring. It was lazy, and I hated it. I would be inclined
to agree hated it. And and it sucks because, as as Kirkle mentioned
earlier, the intro for it is fantastic, like it really sets this kind
of mysterious. It sets like mysterious but also kind of horror vibes, and
it's it's really well done. And then she like goes back into the house
and like crunches that guy's something like it's pretty intense stuff. But then that's
kind of it. Like her character unfortunately ninety percent or or her dialogue is
just straight exposition, right, She's just explaining what the dark Phoenix thing is,
why it, you know, is where it is, why her planet
got blew up. So yeah, unfortunate dialogue there for her. And then
the other thing, Yeah, that's a word for sure. Yeah. The
other thing is just like the style they went for with these aliens. So
obviously they take the form of humans and stuff, but then they also went
with like the kind of I guess one take you can do with aliens where
they're just like these emotionless beings, right, and it's like, yeah,
that can make sense, Like maybe they don't experience emotion the same way we
do. But you know, you look at like Captain Marvel, a lot
of people shit on that movie, but you look like what they did with
the scrolls, right, and after that, it's like, okay, they
made this like Alien Race, like really really fun when it could have just
been really generic. Yeah, and after that movie, it's like a lot
of people have problems with the movie. But I think a lot of people
are still in the camp, like I want to see these guys again.
I want to see them come back. I'd love to see more of their
homeworld or more of their people. You can't say the same for these aliens.
They're just nothing compared to that. I don't know where you're going where
people are shot on Captain Marvel. There's a lot of people that should in
that movie, or maybe her in particular. Do you not see that?
Do you not see that on like Twitter and stuff? Yeah, it's always
trash. It's just her because she's a she's a big time I don't know
I would extend that to like the movie then, I guess, But I
feel like it's to do with her political stuff, not her acting. It
has to do with like she's an s j W warrior and like she doesn't
I don't really. Yeah, I don't give these people really light to day.
I don't go reading through their reply. Yeah, so I think more
just I do see that movie, I feel like for mc u stuff gets
a lot more fifty to fifty opinions on. I think there's some some it
well actually kind of I think Briggs was kind of trash in that movie,
but we still he pass, Yeah, a clean pass. The point is
the point is that the scrolls are interesting even if you only have like one
or I guess really two character two scrolls in that movie that kind of give
they kind of exemplify like a lot more about that race and make it seem
a lot more interesting. Those those aliens. You want to see more of
them. You want to see the other tribes of that race, you want
to see what they're like. But yeah, this movie, like there's only
like Chastain's really the only character that has I don't know, she doesn't really
get anything at all, Like she gets more than anyone else, but she
just gets more speaking, she's just the exposition machine and she's supposed to be
scary because she has like the power in her. But then you have the
one other guy that who knows what his name is, and he's like kind
of the leader I guess, I suppose, but that's pretty much it.
I think they're like the co leads. I guess. Yeah, so really
unfortunately, there's just there's just nothing to it. That's all there is to
say. I was trying to think at all X Men villains, I think
easily my least favorite, even origins Striker, who is not great. This
is just it's just fodder. It's just a bunch of cannon fought. It
was so bland and there's literally nothing to it. And that's what you're saying
earlier. Obviously there's like some comparisons here to Civil War, not you know,
in quality, not even close, but just in terms of concept.
And yeah, in a movie like that, you have you have Zemo,
but I don't know, there's still like enough presence of opposition just around and
and you have that with with Phoenix in this movie. And then you kind
of have them X Men fight each other for two minutes, which is not
really necessary. But I don't know. They did they really need this this
alien race. Maybe they needed something I don't know, but certainly the path
theory they went with it is just as Travis said, very uninspired is the
best way to very uninspired. Yeah, I really don't have much to say.
Yeah, I didn't give a vach about that character. She was just
so like everything that you just said, She's only there for exposition, right,
Like she did not my favorite character. Yeah, it was just position
aliens. I don't know. I kind of feel bad for Jessica Chess.
Thanks. She is such a good actress, right, but I feel like,
fucking they're like, don't make a motion this entire movie. I feel
like directors like could have done this. Yeah, it's just like she was
playing face the entire time. She showed no motion. Like it was just
it was they really should have got a no name to do it. Yeah,
that's the thing, and then made people people would have shot on them.
But like whatever, it doesn't really like it doesn't come off. She's
an award winning actress. Yeah, Like I know her from a better things,
So luckily for me, it's like, okay, I know she's better
quality than this, but yeah, it was. It was pretty unfortunate for
like that race in general, specifically about like that end like train fight scene.
There was a lot of stuff that happened in there that I did really
like. Actually, like I liked when night Crawler kind of had time to
shine. He like grabbed a knife and was kind of popping off a mass
murder and when you go face off against walk he's just like stabbing her constantly.
Like I get it, we are trying to kill her, but it
just felt like he's gonna turn into a serial killer. Yeah, it's full
rage mode. I'm gonna defit in his like transition to just becoming fucking a
full on psychopath. But I don't know. I just like seeing like his
his banffing around and I don't know, I like that stuff like that.
Yeah, and then I had fun with it. I do think it's a
little strange that, Like I get it, psychlops. You need him to
like bust through the walls, but like, shouldn't they got once again night
Crawler like teleport? Yes, yeah, I mean yes, he can't like
teleport through with something he can't see. Yeah. I think maybe the idea
I'm not trying to make sense this terrible movie, but maybe the idea is
Nightcrawlers. He can go outside quicker, He can move around a lot quicker
than Scott, where Scott can easily protect Xavier with his optic blast. Where
if there's like a few carts down, nightcrawl can get there like that to
help out an X Men, where Scott has to hope he doesn't hit Magneto
accidentally. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. It just it's weird because
they it's actually, you know, Kirkla was saying earlier, like the choreography
between like the X Men was was actually really good in a lot of the
fight scenes, and they established that, like just ten minutes earlier that like,
oh yeah they're a good team, like Nightcrawler teleports, yeah, uh,
Xavier around it works really well. But then they just kind of forgot
about that that idea for the train, which I guess like they already did
it, but I don't know, I just didn't real remember saying yeah,
maybe maybe they didn't. There's an argument there that maybe they just didn't want
to redo it. Then hey, there's there's a lot of questions that happened
in this movie. Oh yeah, it's like the tiniest of nitpicks. So
problems. Yeah, just going to like Magneto in this like fight sequence,
I feel like majority of everything that was going on with him, I really
really liked, like like you already mentioned, like when you pulled out all
the guns like that, that just looked really cool, Like when he was
fighting the co lead. I don't I don't know what the hell his name
was. I think he was like an FBI guy. I think that's what
like the body that he took over of. Yeah, but I couldn't tell
you his name to save my life. His name was Jones. But uh
yeah, so Jones when he like punches him and he like has that piece
of metal and it kind of like bends his wrists. And then even when
he like first comes into the room and Magneto just like forces him into the
corner with all that metal, like it was just like, oh man,
at one point when a bunch of them are on the same like trolley and
he just like I was gonna mention that, Yeah, it looks it looks
so sick, oh man. I I just I'm a big fan of like
that superhero like Magneia with his powers, because it's just like the creative ways
that they use metal, going back to first class, like when he uses
the coin to just like go through show is it shaw ye Okay. For
some reason, I thought it was like shock or something shot But yes,
I'm here, guys, just just the way they they show, like how
he manipulates his powers, it's just it's so like artistic almost in a way
right, and uh yeah, just seeing him like just bend it like a
frickin' pop can, Like it just looks so sick, just seeing his power.
And then Fastbender just sells it so well, like I'm kind of jumping,
but like when he's with Gene and like the Copter and like he's just
like trying to like keep that copter. I don't know why I started saying
copter cop but he's got the Chopper and he's just like trying to keep it
up. Like just the way that he's selling it, like with his body,
like he just he's such a good actor and the way that he sells
like Magneto's powers. Obviously it's cgi so it's not actually happening, but like
I believe that he's like doing it right and he just executes that. So
and yeah, so like majority of the fight stuff that happened on the train
with uh what do they call it again? I was called Dabari's. Yeah,
majority of like the fight scenes I'd say with the X Men, like
not really with the guys in the Choppers that are just like, oh yeah,
X Factor, Yeah, we'll go with that. It's say, but
like when they're like mowing them down on the roof. I do agree with
Travis, like it is almost just like I am Legend like villains where it's
just like there's so many Like I don't know what it is a great movie.
We're not sitting on it is a great I'm not. I just felt
like they just took like they I don't know, I don't know if what,
No, it's a Warren Brothers movie, but I just feel like it's
the same studio, like, oh, we still have some animations from my
Legend left outs. Yeah, like like they're just swarming the train like there's
really nothing going on World War Z for another compared exactly run An exactly mindless
that they almost seem like and those characters are lame. They're always lame,
you know, like they apparently don't have personality. They are. Yeah,
and then Jones Jones, Jones in for a good character here just on the
same top of that scene like when uh Jane finally geez, I'm kind of
drawing a blank. But when she like bursts out of like her chains or
whatever, it's like she it's like a dream sequence sort of right. I
think she's talking to the very end when she turns good, like when she's
in the train. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's kind of a dream
sequence, right yeah, oh no, no, the talking right walk shows
up. Yeah, So I really like the transition into that from when she
just like wakes up and it just like bursts off the like. I don't
know, it's pretty cheesy, but for me, it's just it's aesthetically pleasing
for me. So I did like that stuff. And then uh, I
don't know, man, I am jumping all over the place. But when
she when she finally like gets rid of Voch, it just takes her off
into space. I don't know. For me, I wasn't I don't know.
I wasn't that satisfied with how they ended that character. Obviously, it's
not like a super villain that I wanted to see an epic send off for
that character. But guess what guys MCU first announcement were bringing over Falk.
Yeah, but uh, like that I wasn't a big fan of. But
like when she does turn good and she is just like decimating the the shitty
scrawls I keep forgetting their names. Just thank you everyone, but I don't
know, to make sure we're pro announcing vak right, I find it out,
yeah, folk because they don't actually call her that. They call her
that, but it's subtitles. We never hear someone say the word, right.
Yeah, But like it's kind of like slow mo and she's just like
decimating these people. I thought that was a pretty cool just sequence, Like
it's pretty quick, it's doesn't last long. But I don't know. I
just from from the start of like the train sequence action with the foot soldier,
that was a big fan of. But once the X Men got involved
and you got to kind of see them shine with their powers, I started
liking it more. Yeah, I guess we'll touch on a couple of other
action scenes, like the initial one where the X Men go up into space.
Yeah, I wanted to. I forgot about that scene because I wanted
to talk about it too. I like it. It's fun. It's a
fun way that they use everyone's powers in like a unique way, and it
really shows that they're a team. And I thought it worked really well.
And it was like the classic superhero movie that has a action set piece in
the first like fifteen minutes, like they always seem to have them, and
it was it was an effective one. It was fun. It was good.
Did like it was a good reminder because I haven't watched Apocalypse. Actually,
I don't think i've seen it since theater, so it's been a while
for me. So it's fun to re establish, like, okay, which
characters are we playing with again and and show like all their powers and working
together. It was really fun. Her name is pronounced buk by the way,
Yeah, I don't give a sorry. Sorry, I didn't know the
classic X Men character name. I knew the name, but it's been Encounterfear
in a comic before. No, I don't think so, but it's one
of it's one of those that, like I was happy when the movie came
out because some people thought because I always called them Magneto and some people thought
it was Magneto and I was always like, no, it's not. And
then it's like, yeah, fuck yeah, it's like the same people in
like, uh aside that Ray rash all Gool, no one calls him raise
a ras all Ghoul and Batman. I've always liked that. Yeah it's Rash.
It's like Ray know it's race and I'm like, I don't like that.
And when we said like seven different names there, which one is it
actually so, it's supposedly most comic fans say it's rage, but then no
one came out. I was like, now I'm calling ras race. Sounds
stupid that I like the Nolan method. Yeah, yeah, just on like
the space scene, I I that was probably like my favorite like scene or
like, yeah, the scene of the entire movie probably it's uh, I
don't know. You just get to see them like kind of in action.
They're pretty structured. They seem like they kind of know what they're doing,
Like it seems like Ravens kind of calling the shots. And then uh,
just the dynamics and like the synergies that they use each other's powers. I
really liked it when they go back to the ship and then they're gonna go
sorry to let me draw the picture here, when they go to the the
NASA Space Shuttle and then they jump back to like the X Wing. Is
that what it's called the X Wing? That's a Star Wars thing, isn't
it X Wing? Yeah, that's not the X ship. What's it called
their ship yet? X jet? Okay, I felt like I was close.
I had the first part right. But anyways, they jump back and
then they're sending uh, Quicksilver and Nightcrawler back to get the captain, and
then Quicksilver just super fast just like him up with like a like a like
almost like a mysterial orbs so like surviving space. It's just like hilarious that
he did with the duc dates the Blackbird, Yeah, the Blackbird, Blackbird,
Okay, And I don't know, just like the way that they did
that stuff, I really appreciated. Me. I'm a really big fan of
this type of Quicksilver. It's funny that we haven't even mentioned in this entire
next topic. Yeah, yeah, but uh, I guess we can transition
then. Yeah, I got enough to day in the space scene. I
liked it enough, and only I liked the z I felt there's some moments
where I didn't understand some people without helmets were just kind of willing to Well,
when Jean goes and she's like you because she goes to keep the ship
like intact, right, But when they first go there, it's just open
space and she's just chilling. I'm like, well, even she has like
a bubble around her, doesn't but even I don't they show it, but
like she has been known to bubble things if you leave it for interpretation,
I'll buy it in that's but even night Girl the first time he goes over
doesn't have anything, and he goes back and Quicksilver doesn't either. So and
then when I probably goes back, he like, I guess there is still
oxygen going on in that ship. Yeah, I guess that's what I did
that to me out of it. To be honest, maybe when I watched
the second time, I might enjoy it, but that was like, I
don't understand the laws here, and then I was just getting salty because I
knew it's like, Oh, we're just ret conning Apocalypse, aren't we,
And like, oh, yeah, that's what we're doing. Five minutes in
your movie. You retcon your first movie. So I don't also talk about
that because that is to go into Quicksilver, because that just shows again sometimes
they've given them some great movies, but man, sometimes they just don't give
a fucking And that's why I'm so excited for fighting you get the X Men.
I am disappointed in some aspects that we might not get unique films.
I got Logan or a Deadpool, but hopefully we still do. Yeah,
Quicksilver, so this is a character he set ups and stays a future pass.
He meets Magneto and he makes jokes about oh my dad. His whole
motivation for Apocalypse is he's trying to find his dad and he wants to talk
to him and you can go back. I've always hated that in Apocalypse,
where at the end of we we can talk to him. Nah, I'll
get to it. Two things. One again, who's ever doing this is
just lazy writing, because you know what, you should just fucking killed Quicksilver
too in that scene, because they clearly don't know how to handle a character
is powerful, so they just wrote him out in the laziest way ever.
They just see him on a gurney and he's gone. Whole movie. He's
in this for about five minutes. That's it, which is very frustrating because
he's been a highlight of the past two movies. He's a great actor that
is popular. And Two, the biggest thing is Magneto, who's my favorite
villain of all time, and to me, that's a fun relationship and you
can't do that. No matter what's gonna happen with the X Men or the
X Factor in the MCU, you can't do the Quicksilver, Magneto father dad
thin because guess what Quicksilver is fucking den So Kobia somewhere. So it's like
you had a unique relationship where you can do and selling. It would have
been so cool seeing Magneto with a other I mute child. They've been setting
this up and setting this up, and now we've never gone to see that,
you know what, just like, fuck you. That's just like the
biggest Like I wish they never even teas that. Then it was just he
was just Quicksilver because it's just why even introduce that at all? And I
know it's a different director, but it's not a different writerer because Simon Kmberg
has been producing these movies. So just to me shows I'm not excited for
him as a director going forward, because to me, it shows that I
get it. That wasn't your movie you directed, but still you got a
tone to some of that stuff. You can't just throw it out, and
if you do, he has a shit movie. So yeah, I was
beyond especially if like, if you're making this movie and you're trying, you
know, you have all your characters lying down piece of paper, What am
I gonna do with all of them? And your answer with Quicksilver as you're
saying a popular character who has like the most memorable scene in Apocalypse, probably
the most memorable scene in the future past as well, and uh, yeah,
we're just gonna not do anything with him, and like like you're saying,
like he's a powerful character, how do you deal with that? Well,
they already dealt with that in this movie. Phoenix was able, you
know, she's able to slow down time or like know what he's doing.
Then she dealt with and knocked him out. You can do that throughout the
movie. You can have Vuk doing that because she has those powers as well.
Or you know, you can just make Magne to bring up a piece
of metal, knocks him out and there he's gone for five minutes. Now
you don't have this super powerful character. But instead like, yeah, yes,
we didn't get one of those like slow most scenes of him walking like
going around. Yeah, maybe they did that twice. They don't need to
do it again, but I would have loved they kind of have one in
like the start of the movie with like the space sne because he's like he's
grabbing all the astronauts I guess round them up, bringing them over to Nightcrawler,
So they kind of did it, but I did more. Yeah,
when I was watching that scene in the moment, I didn't think that that
was the only time we were going to see that, And I don't think
that was the only time we were going to see Quicksilver. One hundred percent
agree with you because, like I think why, Like, obviously I'm pretty
biased because those two scenes from Day's Future Past an Apocalypse, like they're probably
one of my favorites just because I don't know, maybe I'm just big fanboying
for that character. Well, there's such well done scenes and time in a
bottle. What is the other song that they use, sweet Dreams? Yeah,
so so so good, right, and then like when they're on the
ship, obviously they don't have music going on with it, but like I
just love like the way that they like they use him, Like you just
see him like like get everyone out, like he unbuckles them, and then
like he grabs a Nightcrawler. He grabs Nightcrawler and then makes them like touch
it, toutch them. Also, it's just super easy and it's just super
like artsy in a way, And I just I don't know, I was
hoped, like I agree with you. Maybe they would have just been like
diluting like the like the fun factor of those SlowMo scenes if they just kept
repeating it, and then they would have done it the third time. But
I would have eaten it up, man, And I'm sure other like if
i'm I'm sure I'm not the only one, like you said, that's there's
two to three people in this room. Like if that were the case,
Okay, there'd be a big possibility that this movie would have, you know,
some sort of connection with like the best scenes category in Golden Geeks in
twenty nineteen. It's not gonna be the case now. I don't know,
but they could have. If they could have, I think, I know,
it probably would have been like my favorite scene this entire movie. And
like I know that's not saying much, but like it probably would have jumped
at a point in my rage. I'll give you this to me if I
knew and I had the idea, you can go in the X Men ranking,
because I just had a feeling like we're not seeing Quicksilver in any of
these trailers really so, and I thought they were gonna kill him with mystique,
And I guess I wish they did that, now I would have still
been bummed and give them the same uh cons. But this to me against
even more cons of just like you kept him alive just to hang out of
the school and we never see him again. He's never asking what's going on,
and then he just has like some really lame joke at like the very
lame yeah and then and so that's why if I knew that, I would
have taken a scene like that. But what I really want is more just
Quicksilver. So if he was just like had lines and was talking yeah and
like Dylan brought up and like, oh yeah, mag Neo take him out.
They're trying to do this whole like, oh, ideologies versus each other,
like I said, a civil war thing friends against friend. You could
have something that MC doesn't have. You could have a father and a son
who have different ideologies squaring off and think about how emotional you couldn't no on
this movie, they wouldn't handle it well. But think about the concept of
Quicksilver believes no, we can save Gene, Magneo goes, no, we
can kill her, and they know that their father and son. Just the
dynamic there of maybe that would have Magneto not be so violent or something like
that. But no, they just don't bring into the battle scene at all.
Like it's just he could have even been perfect with the train scene,
right because he could just run at the same all. Yeah, exactly,
he could have been whipping those It's just it's just I don't get it,
and it's it's like the last fight. It's just like and maybe that's my
overall for this movie just uninspiring. I'm just yeah, let's just take him
out and just like it's why why, it's just other than they don't deserve
these characters. Other than losing like Fastbender in as Magneto in a character I
think like the biggest loss for me for like not having this top of X
Men is that quick Silver character. Like I just feel like it was such
good casting for him. He was so late, just unique for that character
and just really like really humorous. Yeah, especially that you said, yeah,
he's dead in the MCU, so we're not gonna see you care And
we had him on screen for like what fifteen Maybe maybe mysterials alternate inventions are
gonna help us out. Oh I found this fast fast spender bringing I forget
the actor's name for quick Fillan Peters, Oh do it like bringing just like
the best of best and even fine if they brought them in and they had
no memory of those movies, they just start them off off just like fresh
and just like, oh yeah, you're the exact same, right care.
And the thing is you could play out the father storyline is guess what they
did it for fucking three movies since twenty fourteen and didn't even didn't even do
it. Just makes no sense. It's frustrating. Yeah, there's a lot
of bad things happening to me, but that was probably like, going going
into this, I was like, well, at least I'm gonna figure out
what they do with Quicksilver, and oh, I mean I didn't really dissect
the trailers like you did, so I wasn't like, well, Quicksilver's not
really gonna be it would at least be resolved, I thought. And this
is the way it could have solved them and touch it. This is this
is the way it could have solved it for me is let's say they do
this whole bullshit thing of take Quicksilver out Magnetos clearly again at the end of
Good Guy, just for him to maybe go to the X mansion and one
I wanted to see the reveal in the movies of hey, I'm your son.
But let's say, okay, between Apocalypse and now he's told them they
know each other or father and son, just for him to even go the
mansion just to be checking it on because he was hurt, just like them
have some dialogue blah blah blah, just anything to acknowledge their relationship. But
no, it's just like all I wanted was one scene, one two three
minute scene of just you know, oh yeah Jean, really, like you
could imagine if Beast goes there and like he killed Raven, he really hurt,
uh Peter, you know, like it just adding upon it, and
then he goes to the mansion to check on him. Like there's just easy.
It's easy easy, that's the problem. It's easy stuff. And the
fact that I missed that is mind boggle. Or if they did kill off
Quicksilver and like he did know was his son, we've already mentioned like fast
bet it's probably the best at like selling that he lost somebody lost, right,
Like there's we could go on and off about like the positivisty they could
have done with it, and it's just I can't believe they didn't even try
at it, right, They're just like just erase it. And I still
want to like the son switch of not killing but if it was, hey,
he killed Raven, oh and she killed your son as well, then
it's like I can even buy it a little bit more. But no,
it's just no, I don't know. But that's why to me, this
still felt like they were trying to set up for more movies, because like,
oh, we don't want to kill him off because you know, I
know what, maybe he was just not available for filming. I don't know,
but this movie was over multiple times and there's no no one can tell
me at all. You couldn't have found a fucking day to get fast better
in him together for a scene. That's complete bullshit, so especially how many
times they've pushed it back, So I don't believe you at all. So
just that's triggered me into high heaven totally. No, I totally agree.
I remember walking out and I'm just like, I can't believe they didn't even
I didn't like, they just didn't even try to do anything with it.
There's like it's easier just to ignore it. Yeah, there's so many other
characters they could have just got rid of that didn't really do anything, Like
Storm didn't really do anything in this movie. No, I still know she
has some cool effects. She z apped some guys. I liked her look
and I liked her voice. But other than that, I like to progress.
Like when she goes to help Fastbender, he like looks up and like
sees her through the train like that was kind of coold Storm. Yeah,
and they acknowledge each other. But I mean I would have round out of
Quicksilver right unknown, especially like like we've already we've been going on and off
of like what they could have done with it. But just man, like
you haven't even that train scene like just running like with it right, Oh,
so many you can have him with his dad doing combo moves together,
Like it's just it's ridiculous that movie would have been so much. Or even
if you just go full on with the Civil War and then you have this
dynamic where like Silver's part of the X Men but like his father, oh
yeah, and it's just like even if the movie storyline still sucked, it's
like, just make the cool moment. Imagine, yeah, imagine Fastbender,
like you know how uh oh my god, Quick Silver got bumped by that
shrapnel. He was climbing the shrapnel to get to her, and she just
like moved it. Imagine like Fastbenders making like that staircase catches them as impossible
possibility as we come with, and they just didn't even do one. See.
And that's why I love the MCU because when I just think about end
game thing about man, they do all that stuff and you're like, oh,
I wish they do this, they just do it and it's like stuck
in the early thing. No, we're not gonna do that. Let's just
do this boring stuff. And it's just like why, Like this is the
time. It's like the implications too right because like we never see him again.
No, that this is like your last chance. Like if you're the
director for this, Like I'm directing my first movie, give me Quicksilver,
I'll do something fun with it. So I'll have them run for seven minutes
straight. I don't give his ship, but that I would totally do that,
or even just make the end credits seeing him, yeah, run through
the crad but that but that's around. That to me just gives me not
fate for his future movies because to me, he just looked at that characters
just like I got nothing. I don't know, and just like what like
And then I said, if it's a filming thing, then fine, but
there's ways you could find some cool things for him doing. If you still
want to take him out, he could come at the end and help out.
It's just it's just ridiculous. And that's why I'm very excited for even
though Quicksilver is now dead, which sucks in the MCU and I was a
big fan of that quick Silver, but still I'm just excited for Fi.
You get the rest of these people, you know, because all right,
my notes, but I think I am are we h, we gotta talk
about mystique No, yeah, kill. All I have to say is,
like I said, my nonsports, I thought she was doing a good job.
I like the lines and the storyline they gave her that they killed off
really quick. I feel like putting her in uh Jeane Gray is really fun.
Yeah, I'll disagree because I hate that they try to like inforce this
like really mentor mentee relationship, but we've not seen it. I feel at
all. Well, I feel like Mysti's kind of been that for like most
of the X Men, right, Like she's been like Charles is like the
head guy, and then she's just kind of like the realist that kind of
filters out some of the things and like because like was like the guy behind
them. But this is her kids on the front line. But this is
her first movie in the team though, because that was the first class.
Days. I'm not colling first class because all those fuckers are dead. Okay,
Day's future past. She's a criminal, Apocalypse, She's a criminal,
and then the end she's like I am an X Man. So this is
the first time she's like being nice and with them. And that's why I
still feel we needed more time with all these characters for me to because I
don't feel that emotional when she dies other than I know this character, because
like Geene, they try and play it up like it's like a big sister
tour, but it's like I've not seen that. I've just seen a mystique
look out to the plane like okay, you're right, Okay, I just
want to make sure, and then walks away there Okay, I mean you're
not wrong. For me. It worked though, like I bought their relationship
even if there wasn't Like I don't know, I wasn't super fresh on what
exactly happened in Apocalypse, so for all I knew they could have been friends
there in your Same Boat. I don't think i've seen it since in the
theaters and then we reviewed it. Maybe I'm I'm sure at some point fired
it up and watched like ten minutes, was like, I'm gonna go read
a book. I'll go YouTube the quick Siller scene. But I will say
the reason I thought he'll definitely do that when I get home tonight. I
think her performance was good because I think I have somebody if you didn't tune
the I thought she was great in First Class, but then Day's beach Pass
pock Ups kind of phoned in. I think she was good in this movie.
I think it's just because she knew that she didn't have that much screen
time this movie. She's in it for about fifteen twenty minutes. I like
that she's mostly in raven form in this movie and not Jennifer Lawrence warm.
Yeah, Lawrence beautiful. I'm not saying anything against her, it's just I
like the Blue Well, especially like the blueliness. It made no sense why
she changed back after the mission. That was really why. It was like,
oh so this that's like more work too, from like a filming point
of view, Yeah, it's just like all this day she didn't want to
sit in the chair right like, but she was still in she like showed
up with I know, but that makes maybe makes me think they shot those
scenes differently, like when we're talking about that that uh Scott Magneto stuff,
you know, because who knows who knows that? And we need a documentary
for this. I honestly would I would be down. Yeah, my first
question, why do you do quicksilver during? My first question is why?
Why? Yeah? For me personally, I this is probably like my She's
not in it a lot. May that adds to why I think this is
Jennifer Lawrence like best movie as Mystique. I was actually getting little emotional when
she died, which is funny because I actually really did not like her in
like the the first two adaptations of like First Class and Days of Future Past.
I don't know what it was. Maybe it's just like I've seen like
this character like mystique not necessary jennif Lawrences mystique. But maybe she's just been
she's been on the ride, right, like the All X Men, she's
been in it. She's been. That character has been same thing as Charles
and you know since uh X one, yeah, you know g trilogy,
Like she's been like that character is not even like you said, Jenner Lawrence,
that character has been around the beginning as well, exactly. So like
seeing her killed off, And also I wasn't really expecting her to die the
way she did. Maybe I'm just a little blind. I mean, like
in that scene or just in that scene, I know she was gonna die
like in the movie. I think we kind of figured that out from the
trailers. The director told us yea, yeah, yeah exactly. She didn't
tell me someone And the weird thing is Quick Silver he's not in the movie.
The weird thing is they asked him why. He said that. He's
like, well, we wanted to show everyone like the steak's a really big
and anyone's life is at risk, but then no one else dies. Anyone
can die. I don't want to it only the one I said. I
will not call him f in idiot, but the sentiment is there because it's
like I feel like he sounds like he's like nineteen years older. I was
just young, doesn't really know what he's doing. That he wrote to Holland
just giving away, like all this stuff he wrote, Day's Future Past.
It's been all of these movies. But like that scene maybe because uh,
like it kind of shows like maybe I'm with Dylan's and Dylan's both though,
where it's like I did buy like the dynamic that she had with the rest
of the mutants, Like I felt like she was kind of like a sister
to them, not just like how Charles is like their father figure. She's
she's more of like a sister, right, like part of them. She's
in the trenches. Yeah, exactly. That's a good Uh, it's a
good way to say it. And so when she had that moment Jean and
then like the burst just comes and she's just like you don't even see the
the what was it was like wood spike or something that just punctured breh.
It was a classic picket. Yeah, but like you don't see it at
first, but just on the like their faces, you can you can kind
of tell what happened, and just like just the atmosphere that was going on.
It was like wow, like this is kind of heavy, and for
me personally, I kind of took that emotionally, but I wasn't fall out
balling like like Infinity War Endgame style, but it was definitely like wow.
I think for me, just because it was spoiled in the trailers and just
confirmed by the director that like I knew it was coming, I think that
took away the emotional impact for me, even though I have really liked that
care I've liked her in all the movies Apocalypse, Apocalypse, I'm a little
fuzzy on just haven't seen it super recently, but I've always been a fan
of her. But also as soon as she like it was it was shown
that she died, someone in our theater just had the most massive gasp of
all time and was like, oh my god, really no. They were
very, very loud. I think there were one hundred percent young girls like
when they're just like games. Fans had no idea She's I die in the
first twenty minutes and yeah, so that's that definitely took away from me too,
where I was like yeah, seriously, Also, like, because this
movie has been pushed back so much, I feel like the first trailer I
saw was like fucking years ago, so I really don't remember much what happened.
And I feel like when when we first watched that trailer too, it
was like you can kind of see like mystique. Again, I haven't seen
a long time, so maybe I'm totally wrong here, but I felt like
she was kind of like like under like distress, like we thought that was
her death scene, so I felt like that might have just been happening later
when they're like trying to take her out, not just like trying to talk
her down. And then the Phoenix is just like confusing that with Apocalps because
Apocalypse they really stressed one point, she's like getting choked in that truck.
Okay, yeah, probably then, because like I said, I have not
seen that trailer a long time, I'm pretty sure the Dark Phoenix one literally
shows her getting thrown like it shows the death scene without like the penetration.
Oh okay. See. That definitely helped me a lot though, because it
did make me feel like more emotional for that scene where if I watched the
trailer, listen to the director say that she dies, I don't know if
you said the first toy is but she basically confirmed that she dies. So
maybe me not like having that knowledge, for we just have a heart and
me and Travis don't that is true. Who's to say that is true?
No one can really say. But I agree with you. I don't know
if i'd say this is her best movie. That's a pretty bold claim.
But I thought it was. I thought it was like astique man, Yeah,
I know, I okay, yeah, I'm still yeah, just because
I mean, Laura's best movie in her career. Obviously, you guys just
did a retro and I have been watching and analyzing all of them, whereas
I'm I watched The Future Pass recently, like not like probably. I think
I watched it on one of my flights in and around of Paul, so
it's pretty recent that I watched it. Uh, But I like the the
interest scene where she's kind of commanding the team. I took it as like
they cared about her, right, there wasn't just like some annoying boss till
they want to do like they they cared about her opinion. They valued it,
and even if they want to do some different strategy, they're like,
yeah, we're gonna trust her. And obviously you get some scenes with her
and beast you get you get the like I guess you really don't get a
scene of her and Genie like talking. It's more just kind of a couple
of little lines here or there. But yeah, I guess I bought her
relationship. I think she fit in with the team well, so the emotional
impact like should have been there. I think it was just honestly, I
think it was just like the spoiler of it. It's like I knew she's
dying right now. That's big, and especially the director just tells you.
So I'm not sure why it wasn't as emotional for me, but heartless.
Yeah, I clearly don't have a heart like someone else, like someone else
all right, else any other notes, No, I'm trying to think.
I just want to say again the music is amazing because it really deserves to
be said, and really good soundtrack. Like if anything, if this movie
is shown up anywhere in the Golden Geeks, it's for soundtrack, and there's
there's a chance it's it's at least on the table of the look. I
don't know if there's ever been a Golden Geeks soundtrack nomination that's just been the
soundtracked alone. And nothing else. You know. I think thor Ragnarok might
be the only one which ended up winning Best Score that year. So M
yeah, yeah, I got nothing else able this movie. My little,
my fun little trivia that I mentioned. I don't want to tell Travis before
the cast because I wanted to be a shock at everyone. The yes it
is, you know, following the theme of the retro. You know,
we have triviaan retros and I don't know if you'd call us a retro parts
assume that I don't know this though, right, I am, okay,
but I probably don't know. I'm I'm at trivia to someone. I feel
like I'm ninety two percent sure you don't know this. And then since you
just said that, the percentage kind of went down. But I'm still like
seventy listeners, like some of them aren't going to oh some of them probably
do because what let me like some listeners who don't know what this movie is
and they're just listening because they're fans of us, and I respect you a
lotbscribed Okay, so the when they're in Paris, Charles and Fastbender Magneto,
I did, but then you didn't. So Fastbender and McAvoy. They when
they when they're in the Paris playing chess, and you know, it's kind
of a send off because we've those two they have like an inch risin friendship
dynamic. But when it's kind of panning out and then it's going up to
the Phoenix, uh, the phoenix scene up in the sky, it shows
the name of the cafe, and obviously it's in French, so people that
don't know French probably didn't know this, but it actually translates to the cafe
of old Friends, which I thought was kind of funny because obviously they're old
friends and like they kind of played on that throughout the entire X Men series.
That's cool, so I thought it was I thought it was cool.
I do know French, and I did not notice that. Okay, did
you know? No? I didn't, Okay, perfect, thank you nice.
I was just waiting for Alfred to pop up from dark Knight Rise.
When the child sat down, it was like the exact same scenery. Christian
bal So, let me ask you on this one piece of trivia, and
only this piece, because I was watching it and it was in French.
It said that cafe to patron Villa. He speaks French. I learned that
next me retro. Oh it was in the subtitles. It he is the
title of the the title the name of the cafe. So when it was
panning up, like it was obviously written in French to Paris. So you
know how when you go to a restaurant sometimes that's above the doors, there's
the star Buck. I understand that. What I'm saying is what I I
I saw you like saw this trivia like online like oh yeah, there was
like sorry, it's like on the I m dB pages, Like that's a
pretty bold thing for them to put on there. Like day one, I
did a bad job at like pre fixing what I was about to say.
It's your first trivia and it is. There's only two things on IMV.
Wore that and no mystique dies quote director Simon quick Silver hoo oh yeah right
now I don't have any more trivia. Yeah, well, Phil Overalls,
I'm pretty sure I might be wrong. I think I gay X Men Last
Stand a four, and I think I maybe like dwindled, But if it's
a four, I'd give it the exact same score because I think there's like
similar problems but then very different problems, but like I said, if I
had to rank them, I put this one below. So for me,
it's the second worst. X Men Origins is still down there. But this
had a very good start, like I said, but X three just has
that jack enough and that thing. We're fast beenners in this, but that
the advantage we have an X three's the main character. We mostly fall in
the whole movie where Fastbender is either poorly written or he's out of it a
lot of the movie. So that's where that's where it just gives me that
little uh slight And honestly, when we talk more about the quick Silver stuff
and things like that, just things that were grinding my gears. There's things
that made me more mad in this where to me, X three they did
stuff and they just execute poorly, where this was just instead of executing it,
they're like, oh, we might do it poorly, let's not even
try, and they just didn't even try, like the quick Silver stuff like
villain stuff. So uh yeah, just lazy, uninspiring. I've said this
before, but the last half was just not my numbing. I was just
sitting there and I could just feel brain cells deteriorating, and yeah, that
sounds very hyperbolic, but that that's what it felt like to me. It's
just like, Eh, this sucks. This is just she did. Yeah
really, this is just comic book movies of old and uh yeah. Like
I said, I'm disappointed because I've always wanted the X Men in the mc
kind of like Spider Man where they share. But at the end of the
day, I already got Deadpool, I got Logan, I got Day's Future
Past, which I feel is greater than many MCU movies. So if even
MS comes out and it's X Factor and it's super lame and I'm not a
fan and they say, oh, we're not gonna do mag Neil and Charles
because it's been done so much. I have these things of movies, and
yeah, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth for the legacy a little
bit. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna go back and
watch those classic ones because they did give us some great, fantastic X Men
movies and it sucks that this is not one of them. I really even
just a decent one. I could have like Taken, but we didn't get
that. But yeah, so I four at ten for me. Second worst
x ME Movie of all Time. Yeah, it's it's too bad what this
movie is because there's, as we mentioned, like there's a lot of like
inklings or the buddings of it could be really fun ideas if they just changed
like one or two things, or if they decided one scene between these two
characters here or just took this one thing out. So there's I don't know,
there's like some you know, perfect there's like some master cut perhaps where
this movie is like more interesting and uh, you know from start to finish.
But the finale wasn't space. The finale wasn't space at one point in
time, so it changed it clearly because of Captain Marble. I mean,
the finale still kind of ends in space at some point technically, So I
wonder what I wonder if everyone is in space original I think she probably fought
in space very similar to Captain Marvel when she's especially because Captain Marvel, what
does she say, like, you know, like the whole thing is about
how her emotions actually make her stronger? Oh, same thing as Phoenix.
It's like verbatim yea, yeah, so I think that's why they did change
it, right, So overall, just disappoint an end to what have been
not just ballpark movies across the board, but there's been a lot of fun
things. There's been amazing characters, and so it kind of sucks that this
is the way it goes out. But I think one tip for you know,
young filmmakers out there is if you're gonna make a bad movie, or
if you realize midway through project that you're making a bad movie, get Hans
Zimmer to do your soundtrack and I'll still give it a thumbs up. So,
yeah, am I giving this movie thumbs up? Maybe not, but
it's pretty close, like sounds like wavering. It's a good sound. Yeah,
it wants to, it wants to. It was nice to listen to.
It was nice to listen too, Like this is a movie you could
watch with your eyes closed, so you probably could. Yeah, you wouldn't
miss much. Oh that's fire. Yeah, you wouldn't miss over at all.
That. I really want a gift of that Magneto girl train scene where
she just got to get in my mind. I feel like it didn't happen
this way, but I feel like he just grabbed her by the face,
like I can't remember, but yeah you might, we should. Yeah,
we should definitely photoshop like that being quick silver and then like the hand says,
just like X men the director's name on it. That's a me maker
moment. Make it right there, there you go. You can whoever make
you know, whoever makes that one of the listeners out there, you know,
tag us say hello, like you can have all credit for it,
but definitely like show us because I want to see it. The little GV
logo in the bottom, just the tiniest of we won't take credit for a
cirkle and put the logo. Yeah, okay, but talking about this movie
though, these two fine gentlemen next to me probably hit the hit the nail
on the head here basically said everything really good soundtrack into the Pikes, really
good soundtrack. Like it's funny that when you go out of a movie like
this, like the best part is this is the music. So that is
saying a lot. But like all seriousness, I did like the beginning of
this movie, but we've already mentioned it. Just as it went on,
it was just not looking good and it just got worse and worse. So
I wish I'm like remembered my ratings for the other ones. Yeah, I
never do but uh, with your heart, go with my heart. So
I don't do the ranking system, and I have nothing to live up to,
no kiddy, especially like once you compare two movies or Taylor's a whole
other can of worms. But like it's like, if you're not careful,
you might fall into the same trap. I know exactly, especially when maybe
it is frush. Just don't do ratings. Yeah, I'm gonna stick to
what I was saying earlier, though I do like this one more than Last
Stand. But oh no, what did I say? You said it was
like tie, But I think you gave this one a little bit of an
edge still over Yeah, so a little bit less than Apocalypse and a little
bit over the Last Stand probably for like the like the action sequences and like
the CGI looks of it. I just probably like that probably carries it more
than what Wolverine could carry in the Last Stand movie, because I feel that
is a that is a good point. Actually maybe this is above Travis.
You just wavered me. I'd say this is probably better worse than Last Stand.
Just I totally forgot about the og Beast and how much I like that
guy in it, because for some reason I thought he was in the second
movie. But uh no, yeah, so I'm gonna rate this a four
out of ten. I hope that makes sense with what my X Men ranking
is. Probably won't, but uh I thought it'd be hard on that for
you. Well, when I left the theater today, I thought it was
a six, and then you know, you sleep on it. That's why
that's why I kind of like doing reviews the day after, because it gets
time to like simmer, you know, fully fully get the real ratings out.
And then I was like five, and I'm like, I don't think
I could pass this movie. It was mostly due to like the whole Quicksilver
stuff. We were talking about how they just totally totally just wrote that off
and it was just like man, like they didn't even like put in an
effort right to like because it would be one thing to like bring in the
Quicksilver Magneto dynamic and like have it be terrible, but like they didn't even
try. So it's like I would rather critique that movie, yeah exactly.
I would have given them a little bit of credit if they did it that
way, but the fact that they didn't even try and just other things that
happened the villain was so bad and just it's not I'm not gonna pass it,
so I'm gonna I'm gonna leave it a four just before we go.
In our X men poll tonight, it's Ajax from Deadpool versus Dark Phoenix from
Jena from Jane Green, you from from Jean Gray from X three. And
that's funny that I still at me said that because there's someone in the comments
that said, Jane all the way to that guy. I hope you're listening.
Okay, X Factory, we'll call that, like I said, X
factor. I swear X factor because it's giving one of those things. If
you have a problem with you, are you misogynists? You know what I
mean. Obviously you can call it not X men. I'm fine with that,
but don't call it X factor with a better TV show about that.
It's a talent show. Yeah it's not. It's not really. I just
feel like from a branding point of view, like people aren't gonna like just
do X men like that's what people know X women. I don't give a
ship. Sure, I don't ex woman and man like like Jamaican X men.
Maybe they'll just take maybe just take the approach this because this movie is
technically just called Dark Phoenix, it's not called X ME, So maybe do
that. I'm more fun. I can't tell you. I cannot tell you
how many times I got duped by like the atom app or like trying to
look at the I m dB by punching it X men and finding absolutely no
results. I thought, I bought a ticket. What movie am I going
to? Did they delay it again? I thought I was in the theater,
and I thought I was actually in the theater before it started, which
is a rarity for me. And it was like movie sorry at six forty
five, it was six forty four six, there's the screen is dead.
There's no one, like very little people in theater. I'm like, what's
going on here? Like did a good pushback? I checked my phone,
It's still there. I'm like, I text Travis, like Travis is usually
here by now. Whe's Travis right now? And then it was like sixty
five, like it went. It got right into the trailers. There was
no foreplay on that one. It's very bizarre. I hope they call it
X Factor. Far from Home. It's far from Fox. That's far from
far. But I said at the beginning, if you like what we do.
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announce it. I'll anounce it now. I mean I clip it out because
I thought for X Men we should have done it, but god damn it,
I forgot for July twenty If that's the official day, right, uh?
In nineteenth is the release right, well, that would be a Thursday.
I don't know for the We're talking about the same thing, right,
It's two days technically, so you could just you could just refall for one
of the two days, and it's yeah, it's the twentieth. The nineteenth
is the friday. So what we are doing for our four year anniversary,
well, yeah, for four anniversary, we are gonna be doing probably a
twenty four hour stream if our technology allows us, like we do in November
this time is not gonna be a cherry one. It's just gonna be a
celebration. We're gonna have some fun. We want to come join, but
most importantly, we're gonna be playing Marvel. Ultimately, we're gonna play through
it all multi time, especially with the news dropping that Comic Con doesn't have
anything going on at all, so we're just gonna be playing. So yeah,
if there's any like news or trailer, we might stop for a second
and do a quick, like twenty three minute cast, but that's what's gonna
be. It's gonna be a day of us streaming, us playing games,
hanging out, so come hang out. I should promote the beginning. I'm
so salty that I didn't, but I'm gonna be pimping this up for weeks
of July twentieth market. We're still gonna do like a four year threecasts where
we ask questions and have fun. But we're gonna do a stream second week
of July. Yeah, and most of uh yeah, and most of our
Ultimate Alliance content has been doing really well, especially on YouTube. So uh,
if you like what we've been talking about, if you're excited to come
watches, we're gonna we're gonna try and play through that at the entire campaign.
We're gonna, like I said, we wanted to be a twenty four
hour stream. We're gonna have some fun there. So yeah, that's gonna
be our celebration. So thank you very much for tuning in. Have an
exciting day, and until next time, it'll all be boring. You guys
don't have like a set outro, did you? No? We left up.
I left up to Kylin Kirk. That was a big mistake and it
like kind of changed me tweak. It was like trying to play on like
the X pun, but it was I always forgot till the very end,
and then Kyle would quickly like google something. And our retro outros have been
notoriously bad. At one point to Kyle said, have an Excalibur day. Yeah,