WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:18.600 so like say subscribe and raid it. I'm stock and me right, just 3 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:27.280 go on yesterday and listening watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're 4 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:33.159 hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo. Fay, Cliff, I got your text 5 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.840 messages and the pictures looks like you had a big weekend. Oh man, 6 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.520 I've been I've been running ragged, dude. It it's been nutty, nutty, 7 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.679 nutty. And we're gonna hear more about that today with our guests when 8 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:46.240 we bring them on in a few minutes here. But yeah, let me 9 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.920 tell you it's it's been NonStop since pretty much a week before the Meldrum event. 10 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.640 And the Meldrum event was on the twenty fifth of January. It's insane. 11 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:56.560 What have you been up to? Bobs? Everybody knows what I've been 12 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.880 doing, but what have you been up to? Oh's out? A guy 13 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:04.280 came out from back East with his son and he's cool guy. I think, 14 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.760 yeah, you've You've spoke to him on the phone before. He likes 15 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.159 to stay in the background, keep his name out of things. But we 16 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.159 went out he wanted to check out some spots on the coast here and go 17 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.799 to the Willow Creek Museum and that sort of stuff. So we did that 18 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:22.480 and his son came out and joined us. Really cool guy. So but 19 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.640 we had a good time. I mean, we definitely sat in some rain 20 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.840 and endured some of that. But we got up to uh, the Willow 21 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.680 Creek Bigfoot Museum up there, and they got a new guy up. He's 22 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.799 he's been there for probably a year now. He's retired law enforcement officer, 23 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:40.599 guy Eric, and he's got a brother, Chris. He's also a buddy 24 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:46.640 that I went out with last November when I heard those three calls up in 25 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.680 Trinity when I was out there with him and Poully looking for firewood and we 26 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.040 got the firewood. Yeah, I heard those ones out there, So it 27 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:56.680 was he. His brother, Eric is now retired and he's working out there 28 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.680 at Willow Creek and they got some big plans to redo that place. He's 29 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:01.480 it's been staggered, it's been the same for twenty years whatever. It's just 30 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:06.040 they haven't changed anything in there, and they've got stuff in the back room. 31 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.479 So they're gonna revamp the interiories he's gonna he's in touch with one of 32 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:15.719 the big name guys from back in the fifties and sixties, local guy that 33 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.800 was, you know, a contemporary of Al Hodgson, whose son is a 34 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.879 retired lagger, and he's gonna get us in a group meeting. We're gonna 35 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:25.599 all get together for lunch. And he says, oh, I know, 36 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:30.159 I know where they took the prints back in the sixties, you know, 37 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.599 down in High End Palm. He knows exactly what those were casts. So 38 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:37.560 he's gonna take us to those spots and h This guy, I guess is 39 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:38.879 a natural. I haven't spoke to him personally yet, but I guess he's 40 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:45.719 a natural storyteller. And he's got a lot of info about Apparently his dad 41 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.319 saw Roger and Bob when they came out with Al Hotson. He they called 42 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.039 them, they called both those guys. His dad was there when they came 43 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.400 out when they before I went to Eureka. And so I'm hoping to get 44 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.759 some really cool info and if if he's gonna kind of how it goes too, 45 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.360 and if we hit it off, I'm sure we will. He is 46 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:08.000 a meanable to coming on the podcast. Oh nice nice. I know who 47 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.840 you're talking about. I had a long conversation with this gentleman. He has 48 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:15.159 his own observations of Sasquatches. He's he was right there in the in the 49 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.439 middle of everything with the history of it. That is going to be fantastic. 50 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:21.680 And you know, since you know these people at the Willow Creek Museum, 51 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.080 if you can go ahead and pass on my information, if there's anything 52 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:28.199 I can do to help them out, anything at all, I'm happy to 53 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:29.919 do that. Yeah. So, if there's anything I can do, go 54 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:31.240 ahead and pass on my number to them. I'm happy to help out any 55 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:35.840 other museums. Yeah, it's kind of like I had to tell them, 56 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:37.800 like I said, Yeah, now I'm kind of torn. You know. 57 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.759 I said, you're my first love, but I do love is the NABC, 58 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.759 and I kind of got to stick with that, you know, like 59 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.879 if I get something really good, Oh, there's room for both. There's 60 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.080 room for both. There's no competition in this because they're in California. I'm 61 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.800 up here in the Portland area that there's there's plenty going on here. I'll 62 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.599 tell you that. You know, all that historical stuff should should be housed 63 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.439 down there in the area in which it was found. I think that's really 64 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.680 amazing. You know, the tipmus collection stands on its own. It is 65 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.159 one of the most fantastic things you can put your eyes on if you're interested 66 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:11.400 in bigfoot stuff. And I'm thrilled to hear that they're going to augment the 67 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:14.840 museum and perhaps update it, because you know, I've gone through the drawers 68 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:16.560 there. You know, they've got a lot of stuff that isn't on display 69 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:20.639 and it's just been kind of sitting there, and I think that they could 70 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:24.680 perhaps do something more with the museum, and I think that it's it's about 71 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.639 time they do. I'm thrilled to hear it. Yeah, I'm not. 72 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.600 You know, I noticed there was stuff missing from the drawers because I've gone 73 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.879 through the drawers like a bunch of times, and we went through and again 74 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:35.959 I was like, I know, there's some good casts that are missing out 75 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.079 of this, But I hope there's just upstairs wherever they're storage, you know, 76 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:45.920 you know, but he's trying to They were looking at you. From 77 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.399 just the last year since he's been there, it's about ninety eight point five 78 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:53.600 percent of the people that come in come in to see the Bigfoot collection and 79 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:58.160 not like the you know, mining equipment and you know the typical you know 80 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:02.360 Wild West Museum, you know, mining the him type thing. So he's 81 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.360 trying to gently get a little more space, maybe move out some of the 82 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:10.959 stuff from the mining stuff and put in more big foot things. So that's 83 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:12.639 what that's what I mean, give the people what they want. That's what 84 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.639 people are there for. Yeah. Yeah, at the end of the day, 85 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.000 I think that the Willow Creek stuff is best known for Bigfoot. I 86 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.920 mean, look around town at the statues and the murals and all that other 87 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.680 stuff. I mean, Willow Creek is known for that and perhaps a little 88 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:30.360 bit less for prospecting in you know, oil lamps. Right right in the 89 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:34.720 foot of Cliff Cliff's doppelganger on the wall. Oh yeah, yeah, that's 90 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.959 super funny. Yeah, there's a guy on the wall that looks a lot 91 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.480 like me. Man, But I mean I was I wasn't even born when 92 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.920 this, I mean when when he died. You know. It's probably from 93 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.120 the nineteen twenties or earlier. I don't even know when, but it's oddly 94 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.480 similar to me. If I had much better taste and facial hair, I'll 95 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:56.959 send you a picture of that for he has pretty great. We'll put it 96 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.759 on the social media's. Yeah, I've seen that picture. He does look 97 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.120 like he died before you were born, and you've never been the same since. 98 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.120 I know, well at least you know, I know where I was 99 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.959 in her previous life, as in Willow Creek, and he had a good 100 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:12.560 style back then, not like now. I look terrible. So so you 101 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:14.720 were out in the where did you go, like up in the coast somewhere. 102 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:16.120 Did you got to go to the interior or what were you thinking we 103 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.639 did? Because oh yeah, Well so the first night we went into one 104 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:24.480 of my old spots, you know, up by Rowad National Park, and 105 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.600 we went in and there was totally dead. I mean there was there was 106 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:30.759 rodents, There was rodents around, but you know, it's quite I said, 107 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:35.079 you know, it's contympically be dead. And you know it's usually twenty 108 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.360 forty five minutes at least until you know, from when we stop and sit 109 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.279 down and just be quiet, we might get some knocks or you know, 110 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.800 here's some stuff coming around us. We didn't hear anything. I was like, 111 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:48.720 god, like it was dead, but I kind of felt like they 112 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:50.639 could have been around, like I wasn't. I was like, it feels 113 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:54.480 like they could be around, but I'm not sure. Like and when I 114 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.759 was there too much earlier with Bart, remember I told you about we heard 115 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.959 those really late knocks that as they moved up the creak away from us, 116 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.480 like really really subtle knocks, like they weren't knocking for us at all, 117 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:08.120 that they were knocking so we couldn't hear them just for themselves as they moved 118 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:12.160 away. So I was thinking, like, well, it's probably you know, 119 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.079 I think this theres from what I can tell, is maybe a nursery 120 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:21.720 type area. And so we went anyways, we left like one in the 121 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:26.519 morning whatever, and then say at one thirty, about a half hour we 122 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:30.560 left crack. He got on the audio when he went back the next morning 123 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.560 and gathered the audio, there was about a dozen different knocks, I mean 124 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:38.839 solid knocks, and where he put the we were hiking out about a mile 125 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.439 out whatever it was, say it was a mile, and where you're hiking 126 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.759 a mile, stuff happens. And then near the where you start hiking at 127 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:53.560 that is the other spot where we've had activity, but nothing in this like 128 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.000 it's a dead zone for like you know, three quarters of a mile. 129 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:01.839 There's nothing ever happens in there, like ever. And he hung three recorders 130 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:07.000 and the middle one was in the dead zone and the knocking went on for 131 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:13.000 I think he said twenty minutes or so. But the interesting thing was the 132 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.399 last knock was like a power knock, and it was right by the recorder, 133 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.199 Like they came into this area that I thought they didn't come into, 134 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.720 and they were. That was the last power knock. It was a full 135 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.680 power knock near the recorder. So that was cool to know that they were 136 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.680 problem. I mean, they may have came in after we left, but 137 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.000 I think they were there the whole time, and after we left they just 138 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.200 did their thing. Yeah, maybe they're onto you. They like they kind 139 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:37.960 of like, oh, these guys are going to hang out in the dark 140 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.559 for a while, Like they've seen you enough. You're in there, you 141 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.159 know fairly often they might know you personally by now, in which case they're 142 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:48.080 onto you and they're just waiting for you to leave because that's what you usually 143 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.399 do at some point, right Yeah, yeah, Okay, So our guest 144 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.840 today is Doug Shay. He is a recent witness. He saw a sasquatch 145 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:03.159 basically and almost en route to a Sasquatch conference, which is crazy, but 146 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.360 you know, weird things have happened. And so Doug, thank you very 147 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.240 much for coming on Bigfoot and be on today and then being willing to share 148 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.600 your story with us. That's a Doug all doing well. Good to hear 149 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.480 from y'all. And yeah, it was. I was almost afraid to even 150 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.519 report it at first because of the fact that it was so close to squatch 151 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:24.919 Fest, but I'm glad we did because it sounds like it's been yielding some 152 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.919 really good results. Well, I get where you're coming from, because you 153 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.840 know, back in the day, I saw something that was dark and upright 154 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.399 with an arms swing and on my while being driven to the Texas Bigfoot Conference. 155 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.279 And to this day I wonder if that was a sasquatch or not. 156 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.720 But you know, obviously I don't know for sure. It was such a 157 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.279 great distance. But also the fact that I was on my way to the 158 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.600 Texas Bigfoot Conference and you know, with bigfooters in the front seat, I 159 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.960 just kind of thought, like no one would believe me anyway, So like 160 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.120 whatever, man, So I totally get your hesitancy to bring this up. 161 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:01.879 But I'm so glad you did well. Thank you. I knew that I 162 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:07.279 could talk to you about it because and Carrie also were really glad that we 163 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.720 were able to talk to you about the siding. And Todd was a little 164 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.159 disappointed because he was down lower. But and it's funny because we weren't even 165 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:18.279 going to end up in that area because we first tried the Mount Saint Helen's 166 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.639 area first. But there was so much snow and it was just there was 167 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:26.080 all kinds of road damage. I actually had a bad migraine that day, 168 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.519 and it was on Thursday, so we're kind of glad. We decided we 169 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.799 saw there was going to be no rain for about three or four hours, 170 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.879 so we said, let's just jet on down into Oregon and see if we 171 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.559 can stir up something. When you came up to my table at squatch Fest 172 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.440 on Friday and you told me about it, I said, we saw a 173 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.759 sasquatch, So what really? Really? Okay, that's interesting. And I 174 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:48.600 said, okay, well, where was this either some road crossing or something 175 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.799 on the five or you know, or what was going on? And you 176 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.440 said, oh yeah, I was up at you know, kind of in 177 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.480 the area of Sandy Ridge Trail and I go, oh my god, that's 178 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.639 right up the road from my home. You know, those are those are 179 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:03.440 my bigfoots, so to speak. You know, those are the ones that 180 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:09.200 probably cruise through my neighborhood occasionally, because you know, over the years on 181 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.080 the podcast here, I've kind of mentioned when I think that sasquatches might have 182 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.759 been nearby, you know, either scaring my wife inside or some knox or 183 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.960 vocalizations that I've personally heard on my property, and I think, oh my 184 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:22.759 gosh, those are probably the same ones. And I've done several, like 185 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:30.159 numerous investigations obviously all up and down the ridge there just a little further up 186 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:35.279 in rhododendron. I think I've now investigated maybe four or six or more road 187 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.600 crossing sidings on Highway twenty six. There's been stuff up on Lolo Pass Road 188 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.279 forever, and those are that's all right there in the neighborhood. In fact, 189 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.519 this is kind of kind of weird, I guess, and some for 190 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:54.080 serendipoitous perhaps, But just today we acquired another part of another historical collection. 191 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.720 The guy's still alive or whatever, and there's more to come, So I'll 192 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.279 save all that until later at some point, but about two file boxes full 193 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.679 of things like the track record and some photographs and personal correspondences from Peter Burrn 194 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.559 because he was a good friend, that Peter Burns, and all this other 195 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.639 stuff. And I was kind of leafing through a lot of that stuff today 196 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.639 getting it organized, and lo and behold, I ran across footprint finds and 197 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.679 sightings and some other things, all from the Welches and lo Low Pass area, 198 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.679 which is pretty much ground zero for your sighting. So yeah, that 199 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.200 the history has been there for a long time and obviously still continues to this 200 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.759 day. Well maybe not this day, but you know last week, which 201 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.120 is pretty much this day, I think, sir to say. Yeah, 202 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.679 So I was blown away when you said that, when you said the location, 203 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:39.559 because you don't know where I live. You don't know anything about like 204 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.360 the history of this area because you guys live in California. So when you 205 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:48.000 said that, I was thrilled. And of course we went out there on 206 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.639 Sunday with you as well. But now I've heard the story, I've been 207 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.840 to the siding location with you, I've done the investigation, I've done all 208 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.120 sorts of stuff up there. But Bobo, I don't think has heard it 209 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.080 from your lips. So why don't you tell the Buds and Bobo what transpired 210 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.080 that day? Okay, that sounds great. Yeah, well, we had 211 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.799 driven up Wednesday. We had actually gone to the NABC and had showed them 212 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.960 one of the casts that we took, which we also showed you at the 213 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.480 squatch Best. So Thursday, we thought, we got here day early, 214 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:20.240 we're going to do a little squatching, and we originally were going to go 215 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.240 up to Mount Saint Helen's and we're going to try to just find a spot. 216 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.320 But it was two feet plus the snow. Everywhere you went. You 217 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.600 couldn't hardly get off the road because of the snow plows, and it was 218 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:37.360 raining the whole time, and so Todd said, why don't we head down? 219 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.200 And I had a migraine that day too, and I wasn't feeling that 220 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.919 good. So that's funny how things turn out like that. But anyway, 221 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.879 Todd goes, hey, I noticed that the weather's breaking in Oregon around Mount 222 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.320 Hood area, So why don't we just go down there? And we don't 223 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.440 know the area, but we thought, well, let's just go up the 224 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.600 highway there and just take a road and see what happened. So we went 225 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.399 up at first, but there was just way too much ice and snow, 226 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.519 so we turned back and ended up in the area that you mentioned, and 227 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.000 we noticed there was a place that you could park and there was a lock 228 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.279 gate, and so we saw the road and we said, hey, let's 229 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.039 just walk up this road. So we started walking up and we were doing 230 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.120 some tree knocks. We didn't do any calls or anything. Well, we 231 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.799 heard a knock. Carrie and Todd myself heard one knock, and then we 232 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.879 got up i'd say a half mile or so, and we had left the 233 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.919 car probably around two o'clock, and so we were up that road about a 234 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.240 half mile or so, and all of a sudden, Carrie I was up 235 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.600 in front of Carry. Carrie was in the middle, and Todd was down 236 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.759 below. And we're up that road and there's a bend up there just ahead, 237 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:52.039 and Carry goes, I just heard a tree knock, and both me 238 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.559 and Todd go we didn't hear it. And then all of a sudden, 239 00:14:54.639 --> 00:15:01.039 he looked over to his left at the time he goes, do you guys 240 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.440 see that? And I was just like looking around, and all the sudden 241 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:11.519 I saw something just move upright, saw its arm swinging. It's kind of 242 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.679 deep as far as brush there with the trees with the different forage down there, 243 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.840 and there was snow on the ground too, But that thing moved faster, 244 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.919 and I've seen anything move. And I saw its head, I saw 245 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.799 its arm swaying. It didn't look at me, but Carrie said it actually 246 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.799 was standing by a tree and they made eye contact and then it just took 247 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.440 off, and so carry goes, did you see that? And I went 248 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:43.879 and I hesitated because I was trying to just process in my mind what I 249 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.559 was seeing, because I was like, oh, my goodness, I am 250 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.519 seeing a sasquatch. And then I said, yes, I saw it. 251 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.320 And Todd was a little bummed because he was a little lower, so he 252 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.399 didn't have quite as good view where he was because that thing just moves so 253 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:03.120 quick between the trees, and it got lost because of all the different other 254 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.039 foliage from some evergreen trees in the area. And so I saw it probably 255 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.600 only it seemed like a decent amount of time, but it was probably only 256 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:17.320 about two seconds. And it was tall, because I thought it was shorter 257 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.960 till you were standing out there on Sunday, and then I realized how much 258 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:25.519 bigger it was, So I'd say it had to be in the seven and 259 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:30.519 a half to eight foot range based on being there that second time on Sunday. 260 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.960 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be 261 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:45.720 right back after these messages. Now, when you saw this going down, 262 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.679 One of the questions I wanted to ask you after thoroughly studying the event, 263 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.120 by the way, is when you saw it running, could you hear it 264 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.159 running? No? I couldn't hear it running. It was just gliding. 265 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:02.840 I mean I heard something you heard rustling that It wasn't like a loud like 266 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.240 it's loud sound, and I think it's probably because the snow was helping to 267 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:12.279 lower the percussion of it. And I was just amazed on how I've never 268 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:15.880 seen anything move so fast. How far were you from it? And like, 269 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:18.640 how how long a distance you think it covered? You see it go 270 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:25.079 for twenty yards or forty yards or I think it covered probably twenty to forty 271 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:30.480 yards and we were approximately i'd say thirty yards from where we saw it. 272 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:36.480 We were pretty close. That's close. Yeah, it was close. Actually 273 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:38.799 I measured it when I've gone back there twice since I last saw you. 274 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:45.160 The distance from where I met where the footprints were found and the road was 275 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.359 sixty yards okay, sixty yards Okay, a little bit more of sixty three 276 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.359 or something like that, but it was about between sixty sixty five yards. 277 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.000 Well, that helps explain it, because man, you know, when you 278 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:00.759 look at see I'm not a very good judge a distance when it comes out 279 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.799 being in the woods, and that just shows right there, because to me 280 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:08.799 it looked like pretty close. But sixty yards that makes sense, But yeah, 281 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.799 it was. I'm glad you got that. That's another reason I want 282 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:18.200 to start measuring things and doing things so that we can get really accurate. 283 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.559 So sixty yards still close though, Yeah, yeah, Well you know what, 284 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:23.880 I'm part of the thing, and I've been thinking about this kind of 285 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:29.160 a lot, and I'm when we went out there on Sunday. Okay, 286 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:30.400 So let's back up a little bit. At squatch Fest. You told me 287 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.279 about this stuff, and I'm thinking, of course, you saw a sasquatch. 288 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:37.519 When I have a working obligation for the next two days and I can't 289 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.000 get out there, that's the way things go. How that's Murphy's law, 290 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.759 which is why Murphy is called Murphy in our Bigfoot Museum. Something's always going 291 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.680 wrong. Great opportunity, and I've got to work and shake hands and talk 292 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:51.440 to people and stuff like that instead of going out to the woods. So 293 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.759 anyway, when we got out there on Sunday, of course Matt and Emily 294 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.119 prut there were guests at my home, so they came out with us. 295 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.400 And of course, how cool is that to out and you know, I'm 296 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.759 visiting, visiting Oregon, and I get to go on a sasquatch you know, 297 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.079 investigation that happened two or three days ago. That's pretty cool. But 298 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:12.079 so anyway, we met you at eleven o'clock on Sunday morning after coming home 299 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:17.079 from Longview and went up there, and when you put me in the place 300 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.680 that you thought it was, it was a lot closer. Well, the 301 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:25.599 place you put me was closer than where the animal actually was, and we 302 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.240 know that because we found footprints further back. So when you said you were 303 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.000 guessing it was thirty yards or so in the woods, that was you probably 304 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.680 put me at thirty or forty yards and then nothing was there. So we 305 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.880 looked around and we identified the trackway we cut the trail. Basically, we 306 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.759 found the track, so where the thing was running. I think I may 307 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.680 have found the area where it was actually standing when the first visual carry I 308 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.559 think saw it first. I think we found that area because there's a big 309 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.319 push down area in the ferns where there's a little bit of snow still and 310 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.000 all that jazz. You guys actually found the first track in the snow, 311 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.200 which I thought was really cool as well. But what struck me is like, 312 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:08.039 oh yeah, usually the witness puts me in the wrong spot first, 313 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:15.680 and very often it's actually closer to the witness than the sasquatch was actually standing. 314 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.599 And I've been kind of contemplating that, and I think the reason for 315 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:23.759 that is because they're big animals, and they look like they're closer because they're 316 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:29.799 so big. But because this is a pretty big sasquatch. You said, 317 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.680 seven and a half eight feet tall. The footprints measured about fifteen inches, 318 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.519 you know, so at least fourteen and a half, probably in the fifteen 319 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.000 inch range, give or take a little bit, based on the you know, 320 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.039 numerous tracks that we found in the ground. So that kind of occurred 321 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.720 to me as like, oh yeah, of course they're going to put me 322 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:52.799 closer than the actual sasquatch because you know, they're you know, pipsqueak. 323 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.359 Little Cliff, who's five foot eight is a lot smaller than that sasquatches, 324 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.599 and they're going to think that the sasquatch is closer because they're so big. 325 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.640 You know, that makes perfect sense. And I'm just really glad that, 326 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.720 you know, we were looking back and thinking maybe we should have looked at 327 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.319 the snow prints, but it was like four o'clock in the afternoon and we 328 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.160 had to get back to our hotel and long View, And I'm kind of 329 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:22.319 glad due to the fact that our research capabilities are not up to your level 330 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.799 at this point, though we're learning we might have just like destroyed the whole 331 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.400 trackway, So I'm so glad we in a way. I mean, the 332 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.559 only drawback was the fact that it decided to pour for three days, so 333 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.079 it probably damaged some of the tracks a little. But no, that was 334 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:42.200 you know, I never expected i'd see it, but it was amazing. 335 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:48.799 If you had gone out there to investigate the snow prints, you may have 336 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:53.559 run into something unexpected because what we found is from the place where you guys 337 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:59.799 said you saw it. It was running to your left. Okay, now 338 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.400 tracking that a little bit towards the hill where you said that it was running 339 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.759 towards another fifty sixty I don't know. I'm not very good at distance, 340 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.880 so probably another maybe i'll say sixty or eighty yards or so, maybe one 341 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.960 hundred, I don't know. In that direction I lost its trail. I 342 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.599 have no idea where it went. But the last thing I found, and 343 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:22.960 you saw this, and Matt Prue and Emily's Prude as all they saw this 344 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:29.920 as well. The thing sat down that it did not leave the area immediately, 345 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.960 at least I've certainly left the area eventually. But it did not leave 346 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.039 the area immediately because we found the place in the ferns where the thing put 347 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.400 its butt down. We didn't find a butt print, but we did find 348 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:47.279 two, actually three hand prints to the left and right of where all these 349 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:52.160 ferns were pushed down. There was one on the right hand side and two 350 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.400 on the left hand side. Now some of you might be saying, wait, 351 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:59.880 sasquatches don't have three hands. Well, you know one hand can touch 352 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:03.440 the ground twice, right, So yeah, so there were three handprints two 353 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:07.480 in the left and one of the right of where the ferns were pushed down, 354 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.759 indicating that the thing probably sat down next to this log in the ferns. 355 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.759 So the thing might have been there just waiting for you to leave that 356 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.359 if you had gone out in the snow to look at the footprints, you 357 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:22.400 may have come across a little bit more than you bargained for. Well, 358 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:29.400 that is good information. No, I'm really glad that occasionally we might listen 359 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.480 to our inner self and saying, maybe it's not a good idea to go 360 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.000 in there. I'm glad we didn't had a great idea. That's exactly you 361 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.720 know, you want to go in there. Well, that's something that's something 362 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.960 for us to consider, Like if anybody out there listening or you know, 363 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:48.400 us here blabbing, if any of us see a sasquatch, like just throwing 364 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.160 an idea out there. So we have a using a scientific method here, 365 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.119 we have a little bit of data that the thing sat down. Yeah, 366 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.519 I mean I think it's safe to assume for moreton maybe a few seconds or 367 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.000 maybe a few minutes, who knows how long. We don't know, but 368 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.680 we do know it sat down. What if that is a normal behavior for 369 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:11.839 sasquatches after they're observed, like they leave, they presumably leave the area and 370 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.160 then sit down again. Remember, according to doctor Grover Krantz in his book 371 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:19.319 Bob Tittmans tracked Patty after Roger and Bob saw the thing, And what did 372 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:23.119 it do? It left the area and then immediately circled down again and sat 373 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.000 down and watched Roger and Bob cast the prince or do whatever they are doing 374 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.960 on the sandbar that day. Well, this animal, this animal split and 375 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.759 ran off to your left, you know, towards the hill and then sat 376 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:41.359 down. How far was it sat down? About sixty yards sixty seventy yards 377 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.640 or more or something like that. That's it. Yeah, So what if 378 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.160 this is normal sasquatch behavior. When people think that the sasquatch has left the 379 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.799 area, they usually do too because they're shaken up and a little scared at 380 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.240 the time. But what if that's not happening. But Patty went for like 381 00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:59.559 a couple miles. No, she didn't. She went a few hundred yards 382 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.519 and went up the hill, well on that rock face where Bob tracked her 383 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.000 down the hill or up the river and then up the rock face and then 384 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.480 that's where he stopped and turned around and went back to Roger, and then 385 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.200 the thing went up at one hundred and seventy five yards from where Roger and 386 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.000 Bob were and watched them. According to Bob Timmas and Bob Gimlin's account, 387 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.039 I thought she went up like half a mile and cut up, or I 388 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.240 think came back like a quarter mile and was overviewing him or something like that. 389 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.119 Bob Gimlin said that he tracked her but by on the wet footprints on 390 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.559 the rocks up the Bowling Alley north of the Patterson Gablin film site to a 391 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:38.160 rock wall that she scaled directly up, having gone up and down there several 392 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.119 times. There's only one option for that that I'm aware of at least, 393 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.000 and it is about, I don't know, three hundred yards up the up 394 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.400 the you know, I'm guessing. Again, distance is a little weird for 395 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.960 me, but it's way it's before the turn up by Scorpion Creek. But 396 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.920 the point is it left the area until she felt safe and then scooted around. 397 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.720 But again, data point of only two is much to go on, 398 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.440 but I'm just putting that out there. What if this is normal sasquatch behavior. 399 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.400 Maybe we as witnesses and researchers are missing an opportunity to see the thing 400 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.000 again. I think they always do that. I've always thought they just they 401 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.279 don't just take off for miles. They just go till they're safe, and 402 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.000 then they observe again because they're observers. Yeah, but this thing was not 403 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.559 very far so anyway, pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, sixty hours, that's 404 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:29.640 nothing. That's powerful information that has been unlocked. It's speculation, to be 405 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:32.480 fair, it's just speculation at this point, but it's an interesting thing to 406 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:34.759 check. You know, if somebody has the guts to follow the sasquatch a 407 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:40.000 little bit away from where they observed it, maybe they'd find the things sitting 408 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:41.960 there, hiding there, waiting for you to go away. You know. 409 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:47.359 Yeah, that makes sense because deer even do that type of behavior. I've 410 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:52.759 noticed a lot of times deer will go at certain distance and stop and look 411 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.400 around. So it shouldn't be surprising that sasquatch would do something like that too, 412 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.759 because it probably figures we're out of its sight and they can just kind 413 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:06.000 of regroup. And that is really good information, and it was hidden so 414 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:11.279 well in that that area too, So well, Bobo, I think I 415 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.839 will in the future try your method. I don't always do that, but 416 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.279 I just know that you're here, take off, you know, and then 417 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.039 they just stop like there's just not another sound. But I know that they 418 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:25.759 can slip away, like see, you don't know if they're there or not, 419 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.920 because there's they can go so silent mode. But sometimes you hear like 420 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.039 crutch, crunch, crush, and they go off a distance and then they 421 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:36.279 just there's just no more noise, like there's just they're sitting there. So 422 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:37.799 yeah, but I don't think that. I don't think they run for miles. 423 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.680 I think they just go to their safe. They feel like, okay, 424 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.359 I can watch, I can safe. They look from here, see 425 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.680 what happens. Well, no, when you guys, after you guys saw 426 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:51.039 this, I'm curious, put yourself back in that place where you're you observe 427 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.759 the thing running from right to left. There's a few moments pass and you're 428 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:56.480 and you're probably it's one of those like holy crap sort of moments. Right, 429 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:02.960 what did you do immediately afterwards? Because this has bearing on sasquat behavior 430 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:08.559 at this point, So what were what were you guys doing immediately seconds and 431 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:14.279 for the next few minutes after seeing the animal. Well, first of all, 432 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.640 we just kind of discussed it a little bit, like Carrie and I 433 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.759 were talking and Tom was going, I didn't see it, and so then 434 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.039 we walked We ended up walking up a little further. Actually, we walked 435 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.440 up a little further around the bend, and then we said, hey, 436 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.319 it's getting later because it was going to start raining again and we knew we 437 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.680 had to make it up to long View, and so we just started walking 438 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:41.799 down the trail again. And I was constantly looking over to my right now 439 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:47.440 since we were going down the trail and they were too, and just hoping 440 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:52.599 that it would be flushed out some more. But there was nothing interesting. 441 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.920 Okay, yeah, so maybe it's set. I mean I wish, of 442 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.400 course, you can't tell how long something was there, unfortunately, but sure 443 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:00.880 would like to know how long it watched you guys for, because it didn't 444 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:06.119 run very far, unless you know, there's another possibility that crossed my mind 445 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.799 when I was out there looking at sign unless there was another one there. 446 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.440 We don't know that. So I think too the fact that when we got 447 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.440 there Sunday and Matt found that elk carcass too, and there was a lot 448 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.640 and there was a lot of deer there too, as like it seemed like 449 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:27.240 prime habitat. And so maybe that's another reason I didn't want to leave, 450 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.839 because it liked its ground that it had staked there. I'm not sure. 451 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.400 I don't know their behavior well enough, but yeah, and it's so ironic 452 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:42.720 because here we're in northern California, getting closer and closer to some in our 453 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:48.720 area based on just the activity we're having, and it was so ironic, 454 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:55.519 of all places I saw it in Oregon. Yeah. Yeah, So so 455 00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.200 how long would you estimate after the siding were you in the area after so 456 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.759 you walked up a little further, you came back it. There's some discussion 457 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.519 obviously, how many minutes do you think you were actually in the area. 458 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.880 Probably close to thirty minutes. And we were just looking around and because we 459 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:17.519 went up a little further and we would talk about it, and then we 460 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:23.000 started walking down stop, look to our right, look for anything else, 461 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.839 trying to hear noises. We didn't do any more tree knocks after that. 462 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.559 We didn't hear anything, but and then eventually we made our way back down 463 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:36.519 the hill and jumped into our vehicle and we were Actually it's kind of funny 464 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:41.480 because when we drove by the NABC, we saw a bunch of cars there 465 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.400 and Todd goes, hey, should we report it? And I go, 466 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.720 now, I look at all those cars. Plus I don't feel that good. 467 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.599 We can just talk to them at squatch Fest. And little did we 468 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:55.000 know until later that Meldrum was there, and so that's pretty interesting. Yeah, 469 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.920 that was January twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. We had an event 470 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.839 here at the NABC. See I was here, obviously, and doctor Meldrim 471 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.720 was here, and so was Michael Freeman and Tom Powell and Ken Gerhardt and 472 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.960 Matt and Emily Prutz. All sorts of folks were here, just all sorts 473 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.200 of people. And if you would have come, it would have been very 474 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.400 disruptive to our evening. I guarantee that, because they said, all right, 475 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.400 everybody go home, we're gonna uprom the hill right now. So in 476 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:23.680 a way, I'm kind of glad you didn't come, because we would, 477 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:32.119 you know, would have destroyed the entire evening. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot 478 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.799 and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages, 479 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.799 I wanted to get a little more description of what you saw, like I 480 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.720 like color patterns, hair length, like facial features, like the broadness of 481 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.640 it, like a muscle definition, all that kind of stuff. Okay, 482 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.519 Yeah, for me, it was kind of funny because Carrie, I said, 483 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:57.200 what did it look like? And he goes, well, it was 484 00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:02.079 a really distinct brown with white. He saw some white like I don't know 485 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:07.519 if it was on its chin, because he said it actually was standing by 486 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:12.519 that tree and they made eye contact and so and I said, well, 487 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:17.599 I looked at it as more like a reddish brown. But he found he 488 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.799 started going through the internet and found a picture of one that's obviously an artist 489 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.920 depiction. He goes, this is what I saw, And I go, 490 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.039 you know, a long hairy because like I saw the hair hanging on its 491 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:34.640 arm when it was moving, and I mean, it was just darting through 492 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:39.519 those trees. I've never seen anything so quick. It's kind of a like 493 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:45.200 a brown, a lighter brown that maybe was aging. I don't know, 494 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.599 but I once we looked at a picture that he'd showed me to go, 495 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.319 that's what I saw. So I saw, I saw its hair. I 496 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.799 didn't really see its legs too well because it was moving so fast and because 497 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.680 of the foliage the way it's set up, it was probably up to its 498 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.319 knee or something or less. And then I saw its head from the side. 499 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.920 It never looked at me, but it definitely had broad shoulders, long 500 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.279 hair, and then I just saw that arm moving really quick and it was 501 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:21.599 just gone in a flash. It It's so weird how your mind when you 502 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:27.519 see something like that and you're just like trying to basically, Okay, what 503 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.799 am I seeing. That's not a deer. I've seen a million deer hopping 504 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.559 through the woods. That's not an elk. I've seen elk in the woods. 505 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.839 It's not a bear. That is an upright creature moving swiftly. It 506 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.759 just moved quicker than I expected. But I did get a good side view 507 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.599 of it, and it had hair I would say probably in the range of 508 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.519 six inches, maybe a little longer than that. It had definitely a coned 509 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.519 head, big head into broad shoulders, and I just saw that arm moving 510 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:06.119 quickly and was gone before I hardly could even just what my mind just saw. 511 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.000 And I'm glad CARRY got a straight on view. And that's why when 512 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.239 he said, did you see that? And I hesitated. He was like 513 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.079 worried no one else saw it because he lost it after it saw him. 514 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.800 It just took off and he couldn't find it again. But fortunately I was 515 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.639 up about probably thirty feet forty feet, so I had a really good view, 516 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.719 better view of what of those woods over there that were to our left 517 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.800 at that time. It was kind of my left right because I was kind 518 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.719 of starting to look at it just take off through those trees, and I've 519 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.840 just you know, they always say they're almost like gliding there so quick. 520 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.199 That's that's what I would describe it, going in between the trees. And 521 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.320 I mean, I think there was a little bit of noise, but I 522 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.519 think I was so focused on what I was seeing. I didn't even my 523 00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:01.679 auditory brain weays were not even just paying attention to the noise that was going 524 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.400 on, because it just it's it's just weird when you actually see something like 525 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.119 this and you're going, like, wow, am I seeing what I'm seeing? 526 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:14.639 But I knew what it was. There's nothing no animal I've ever seen 527 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.159 done has done that. And I'm out. I'm a very outdoors person. 528 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.800 I've seen so many bears in my life and other creatures in the wilderness. 529 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.280 Even seen a couple of mountain lions. Yeah, it was none of those. 530 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.440 It was definitely a sasquatch, and so kind of shakes you to your 531 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.920 foundations when you see something like that. Yeah, it's funny. You're going 532 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.280 to shock, like you're talking to before, Like your brain goes like a 533 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.199 really quick rollout, decks like like what am I looking at it? You 534 00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.920 go through like all the animals super quick, like no, no, no, 535 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.039 no bear or no elk no dear. It's just and then you're like, 536 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:50.920 oh, like it just comes to me. You're like, oh my 537 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.880 god, I just saw a freaking squatch. YEP, it was kind of 538 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.920 funny. A friend of ours had some pictures like a few days later when 539 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.039 return from squatch Fest, and he goes, yeah, it's funny how people 540 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.920 will say you misidentified it. He goes, I'm going to do a little 541 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.480 experiment with you, and he had some pictures on a on a thing. 542 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:12.559 He says, I'm just going to show you and turn it around and see 543 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.199 if you can identify it. And he did it to me, and I 544 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:21.679 identified every one of them in just that flash. So there's no misidentification here. 545 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:27.239 You know, your brain process it very quickly. But yeah, I 546 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.960 liked your explanation. Like a rollodex. That's just your mind is just going 547 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.800 like what am I seeing? This is crazy because it just doesn't fit, 548 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.119 doesn't fit what you expect. Well, you know what might shake your cage 549 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:45.000 a little harder. Think about how fast you saw the animal running. Okay, 550 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:49.320 you've stated several times at you were just kind of astonished. I guess 551 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.480 at how quickly it moved. Okay. Now, there have been track finds 552 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.320 that have a step length. A step, of course, is left to 553 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.079 right or right to left, whereas a stride is from right to right or 554 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:07.440 left or left. It's in slightly different nomenclature here. There have been track 555 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.400 finds with a step length of nine or ten feet or so, you know, 556 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:14.960 give or take a little bit, which is, you know what, 557 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.679 one hundred and twenty inches. Right, The average step length that I found 558 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.480 in the trackway out there at your siding location was about fifty two inches. 559 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.840 So it wasn't even running, you know, so I consider that it wasn't 560 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:36.280 it wasn't all an ass. Wow. Yeah, So if that doesn't shake 561 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.239 your cage, I don't know what would. So you might have seen this 562 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.559 scene going fifteen miles an hour or more, which is pretty fast for something 563 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.280 in the woods, you know, but it they're capable of much much faster 564 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:50.800 than that, especially with such long step lengths. So most of the tracks 565 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.800 that we found were about fifteen or i'm sorry, fifty two or so inches 566 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.159 apart, give or take a little bit. That's what we were using for 567 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.920 the tracking stick length ffty two inches, and that's how we found most of 568 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:06.440 the tracks. So even after you saw it, you know, and of 569 00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.480 course there were some areas in there where we didn't pick up tracks. The 570 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:13.519 thing about this trackway like from the very as far back as we can track 571 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.679 it to the very last place that we know that it was, it was. 572 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.800 I did the measurement so on my GPS, I don't have the number, 573 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:23.960 but I bet it was about one hundred and twenty or so yards, 574 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:29.400 maybe one hundred and fifty two hundred yards at the most. So you it 575 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.199 probably ran just for a little ways. And there were there were three or 576 00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:36.000 four tracks in a row, maybe two or three because you saw me like, 577 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.920 oh, here's a track, and I pointed, there's one and there's 578 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.719 one. That kind of stuff. We'd find two or three in a row, 579 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.719 then we'd lose it, lose it for little ways, and then pick 580 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.079 it up again a little further away. So maybe it was running, Maybe 581 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.360 it did run the whole way. We don't really know. We don't really 582 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.719 know. But we were using fifty two inches on the track and sick to 583 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:59.079 find consecutive tracks. So when you compare that to you know, like, 584 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.400 you know, one hundred or one hundred and twenty inches, that's pretty nuts. 585 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:07.280 That is wow. Just from what I'm hearing in the research you've done 586 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.440 after. It just shows you are unlocking I think some really important things that 587 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.880 we need to think about in the future when we're looking for these. I 588 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:22.119 think we don't we haven't scratched the surface obviously, and just what the capabilities 589 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.199 of these I don't know. I guess North American apes is what I would 590 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:31.079 describe a sasquatch as. But that is amazing. I wish that we had 591 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:37.920 a really terrible storm a few weeks ago, and the further back I track 592 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:44.199 this thing, the more obscured the possible prints became, to the point where 593 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.960 under the trees there was there was like legit, like an inch or more 594 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.039 of furboughs and whatnot from the dug furs that in the area and whatnot, 595 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.000 and the lake flitter was everywhere. Anyway, It's terrible. It's hard tracking 596 00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.599 this thing, and I'm not a good tracker, so I mean, there's 597 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.320 probably sign out there that I miss, of course. But when you went 598 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.199 back under the tree canopy where this thing came from, it came from the 599 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.480 direction of the river as near as I can figure, at least the first 600 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:13.840 track in the trackway was indicating that if we didn't have that storm, I 601 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:15.920 may have been able to track it back even further. But the ground was 602 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:22.639 largely obscured under the fur boughs that had dropped. Unfortunately. I wish that 603 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.920 wasn't the case, but it is so. But you know, one of 604 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.480 those things, did any fingers some of those handprints, these handprints have yes 605 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:35.800 and no. It was largely in leaf litter, you know. So that's 606 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.920 the problem, and a lot of the research areas I've been working there is 607 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:43.239 a good layer of leaf litter. Unfortunately, those alder trees drop all those 608 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.639 big leaves, and sometimes you can see the impressions in the leaf litter and 609 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:52.159 then you remove the leaves and then like there's space under the leaves and that 610 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.400 it didn't impress into the ground as well. So actually, I've been doing 611 00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.519 some experiments where I've been casting on leaf litter sometimes and then I've been casting 612 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:05.480 after I remove the leaf litter to see if any indentations happen in the ground. 613 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.360 And I'm not sure which way is any better at this point, because 614 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.000 when you pour plaster on top of leaf litter, there's cracks in a leaf 615 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.639 litter, and it fills in the space underneath, and a lot of times 616 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.760 it just ruins any sort of definition that might be there. These particular casts, 617 00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.840 the three handprints, one of them is awful. You can't make heads 618 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:23.920 or tails out of it. The other two are kind of interesting. The 619 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:29.559 right hand side, the right hand literally the right hand when I poured it 620 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.679 in there a lot of the plaster leaked through the leaf litter and kind of 621 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.880 made this big blob underneath, but you can see hints of where the see 622 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.320 indications of where the fingers were above it. The other one was interesting and 623 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.920 it was much closer to the soil, so it's actually a little bit better 624 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:49.519 casts, but Unfortunately. What happened on that one is I poured it on 625 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.760 top of I cleared off the loose leaf litter, and where I thought it 626 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.159 was in contact with the ground, I poured plaster on that, and some 627 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.480 did leak through. But you know what happened, The plaster went into a 628 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.679 mole tunnel, you know, like the rod the moles, you know, 629 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.599 like it filled up a mole tunnel. So I have like a plaster can 630 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.199 of this mole burrow underneath where the handprint was, so it's a handle. 631 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.800 Yeah, you would think that like the pressure of the hand would have crushed 632 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.960 the mole borough, but it's just not the case. I mean. But 633 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.880 that was also the hand that was further away from like from where the animal 634 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.159 was sitting, presumably sitting. So maybe that was just a touch on the 635 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.239 ground real fast and not a lot of pressure happened there. I don't really 636 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.039 know. But what's interesting is that that that cast has almost like a two 637 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.840 story sort of thing, like a two layer effect on it. The mole 638 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.679 burrow is one layer, and then on the other layer, like closer to 639 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.119 the surface, you can actually see the fingers, so that you can see 640 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.440 fingers in that one but you don't get a good palm because the burrowing of 641 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:58.920 the animal. Unfortunately, the mole was underneath it, but it got I 642 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.920 believe that the hands were about eight inches wide, so they are right in 643 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.800 there what we'd expect. I suspect, I don't know. I suspect this 644 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.960 is probably a male. I didn't you know it's a fifteen inch print. 645 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.280 I think most male footprints are between fifteen and sixteen inches long. I think 646 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.960 the seventeens are rare or slide in and outs, or that the you know, 647 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:27.320 distortions of the impression itself. So I think, based on the eyewitness 648 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.360 description and the footprints, that this thing was a male. But I could 649 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.719 be wrong. I don't know. I don't know much about these animals. 650 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:36.760 I just try to like to learn about them. I think we're learning more 651 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:44.079 though. You uncovered a lot of history there that if you hadn't searched this 652 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.920 find, we wouldn't know well. And I so appreciate you bringing us to 653 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.960 the location. But whenever, and this is something for the researchers out there, 654 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.119 I guess, including you because you're a researcher, Doug, that when 655 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.719 you go to a siding location with the witness, do everything you can while 656 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:04.320 you're there, but go back later without the witness, and it's nothing weird. 657 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.480 And I'm not saying you're a pretty suspicious, shady guy, Doug. 658 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.719 I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that sometimes, you know, 659 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.519 you learn what you can from the witness and then go without them and learn 660 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.400 what you can without the witness there. Because we didn't backtrack it when you 661 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.639 and I were there together with the pro. We backtracked it the next day 662 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:27.159 when Keith and I went out there together. And if you can, if 663 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:31.280 you can find more information without the presence of the witness, you can be 664 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.960 fairly sure that the witness knows nothing about it, you know. And I 665 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.320 don't doubt for a second that you saw sasquatch because there were footprints everywhere, 666 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:40.800 you know. I mean that's just one of those things, you know. 667 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.360 But finding stuff without the presence of the witness, without the witness's knowledge that 668 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:52.480 that stuff is there, that adds an entirely new layer of authenticity to the 669 00:44:52.639 --> 00:45:00.159 encounter. And so I recommend every sasquatch investigator, Yeah, go there the 670 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.800 witness, learn what you can, and then go there later without the witness 671 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.079 to see what you can figure out. I went there twice without you. 672 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.000 I've been to the site three times now, coming back with casts every single 673 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:15.119 time because this is a wonderful opportunity to learn a little bit about the local 674 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.920 bigfoots in the neighborhood. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and 675 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:30.079 Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. I'm so glad you've found 676 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:35.639 those things, because you know, when you have a siding and you know 677 00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.079 you had it, but there's still that part of you like, Okay, 678 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.519 was my mind just running wild or something, you know, because it just 679 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:50.239 it kind of it's like you see yourself in a different state, you know, 680 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.599 when stuff like that happens. And to have you go back and find 681 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:58.760 even more, it just it's just like, Wow, I'm just so glad 682 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.960 we told you because you're unlocking more information that we need to know about these 683 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:09.639 creatures and why it's so imperative that we find it. So people just don't, 684 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.119 you know, render it harm as some seem to want to do. 685 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.000 I think we're lucky to find anything. I mean, you know how hard 686 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.800 it rained up at Longview apparently did the same thing down here. So the 687 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.280 rain was just dumping for two days basically, Peter, you know you saw 688 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:29.400 it on Thursday. We were there on Sunday, Saturday. It was Friday 689 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.400 and Saturday just dumped down here apparently, So we're lucky to have found anything 690 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.599 at all. Of course, the snow was all gone by the time we 691 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.760 got there, or more or less gone. We did find that one print 692 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.599 in the snow with the big toe and all that jazz. But I think 693 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.519 we're lucky to have found anything, So thank you so much for reporting it 694 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.320 so quickly and letting us have the opportunity to get out there before time. 695 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:52.440 Erosion and the weather took care of all the data that could have been gathered 696 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.559 that we did gather at the site. Absolutely cool. Yeah, I'm looking 697 00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.719 forward to go down here because I live like twenty minutes these guys. Yeah, 698 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:07.920 Bobs, we're gonna definitely plan on maybe not this weekend, but I 699 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.800 think possibly the next weekend on a Saturday, where we're going to try to 700 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:14.480 get up there, so we'll see if we can. Uh well, we'll 701 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:19.599 give you a heads up on it and we'll plan. Todd's all ready to 702 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.119 take us in his truck. And we'll head up and see what we can 703 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.440 find. Well, I know, I know, thanks for coming on board. 704 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.840 That's a cool story. Now, I'm glad you got that setting, 705 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.880 and I'm glad you got Cliff involved and you got some casts and it's like 706 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:36.239 that, that's a productive setting. It came up with some results and part 707 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.639 evidence. Well, I'm just glad that we were I'm glad Todd talked us 708 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:46.079 into going earlier so that we had a chance to do that. And it 709 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:52.480 was really nice meeting Matt and Emily Pruitt too. They're definitely hardcore squatchers, 710 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.920 you know. It's just nice to be in the community and get to know 711 00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.519 the different ones. And like you had mentioned, I know we're wrapping this 712 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:05.400 up, but I really appreciated, you know, Mike Freeman's story, and 713 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:10.320 that was amazing just hearing the history of what he went through and all the 714 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:15.440 findings. It's just just seems like we're getting closer to helping people to realize 715 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.519 this isn't just a fantasy, it's reality. It's hard to imagine a squatch 716 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:25.760 your weekend than the one you experienced. Yeah, that's for sure, and 717 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.079 I wanted to keep gome common though, well, actually it kind of has. 718 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.760 On Friday, when I was up there alone, you know, casting 719 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.360 the hand prince and whatnot. On the way back up the car, I 720 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.760 got a call from a good friend of mine who saw two sasquatches at the 721 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.039 research location that I frequent. So, yeah, my weekend didn't stop with 722 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.159 your stuff. My weekend's been going on for two weeks now and it's been 723 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.079 crazy. I actually hope somebody doesn't see a sasquatch this week so I can 724 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:58.480 have two days off in a row. That's great. Doug, thank you 725 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.360 so much for coming on and sharing your story with us and the listeners. 726 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.360 We really really do appreciate it. I can't tell you how thankful I am 727 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.000 that you shared your story with me that Friday night at squatch Fest and allowing 728 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:13.360 me to opportunity to gather information on the local sasquatches that are sometimes probably literally 729 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.480 in my backyard. That really means a lot to me. And as I 730 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.440 get these casts cleaned off, I mean, they're not pretty, but they're 731 00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.719 legit. Man, there's some toes in these things. We have a little 732 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.239 bit of information about this animal and to my knowledge, well, and let 733 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:31.360 me say this, there there Apparently there have been other footprint casts taken on 734 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:37.199 the ridge before going through the historic informations this past week. Since you're siding 735 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.800 there, there's there's whispers of other casts that were taken in the general area. 736 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.079 I have never seen one of them, so to me, this siding 737 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:50.400 is very very special, not only because these might be actually the bigfoots that 738 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.920 are around my neighborhood, but also this represents the first time we're taking a 739 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:58.960 look at some of these footprints of the animals there. And this is this 740 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.519 is ground zero. This is where we start the interesting stuff. This isn't 741 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.920 The question of if big foots a real art is of no interest to me. 742 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.119 I want to know how they live, and by tracking them is the 743 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.760 only way to do it. And this is the first piece of data that 744 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:19.840 I have in my possession that I can use for future reference. If another 745 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.519 trackway happens out there at Lo Low Pass or something, or by Lost Lake 746 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.559 or one of these places, I can say, Okay, is it the 747 00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.280 same animal that Doug and the guys saw back in January of twenty four And 748 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.320 then I can compare the cast, and that's where the real interesting stuff starts 749 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.000 happening. So I want to thank you very much for helping me start my 750 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:42.000 data sets on that particular ridge. Well, thank you Cliff, and thank 751 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:46.559 you Bobo, and thank you Matt. Just looking forward to doing a lot 752 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.800 more in the future. Awesome, all right, Doug. Well, looking 753 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.239 forward to getting out there and hoping your good luck even having all these discoveries. 754 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.159 I hope it rolls off of me when I go with you guys, 755 00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:00.519 and yeah, folks, thanks for tuning in and until next week, everyone 756 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:08.880 you know what to do. Keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to this 757 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:13.880 week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. 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