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hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo. Fay, Cliff, I got your text
messages and the pictures looks like you had a big weekend. Oh man,
I've been I've been running ragged, dude. It it's been nutty, nutty,
nutty. And we're gonna hear more about that today with our guests when
we bring them on in a few minutes here. But yeah, let me
tell you it's it's been NonStop since pretty much a week before the Meldrum event.
And the Meldrum event was on the twenty fifth of January. It's insane.
What have you been up to? Bobs? Everybody knows what I've been
doing, but what have you been up to? Oh's out? A guy
came out from back East with his son and he's cool guy. I think,
yeah, you've You've spoke to him on the phone before. He likes
to stay in the background, keep his name out of things. But we
went out he wanted to check out some spots on the coast here and go
to the Willow Creek Museum and that sort of stuff. So we did that
and his son came out and joined us. Really cool guy. So but
we had a good time. I mean, we definitely sat in some rain
and endured some of that. But we got up to uh, the Willow
Creek Bigfoot Museum up there, and they got a new guy up. He's
he's been there for probably a year now. He's retired law enforcement officer,
guy Eric, and he's got a brother, Chris. He's also a buddy
that I went out with last November when I heard those three calls up in
Trinity when I was out there with him and Poully looking for firewood and we
got the firewood. Yeah, I heard those ones out there, So it
was he. His brother, Eric is now retired and he's working out there
at Willow Creek and they got some big plans to redo that place. He's
it's been staggered, it's been the same for twenty years whatever. It's just
they haven't changed anything in there, and they've got stuff in the back room.
So they're gonna revamp the interiories he's gonna he's in touch with one of
the big name guys from back in the fifties and sixties, local guy that
was, you know, a contemporary of Al Hodgson, whose son is a
retired lagger, and he's gonna get us in a group meeting. We're gonna
all get together for lunch. And he says, oh, I know,
I know where they took the prints back in the sixties, you know,
down in High End Palm. He knows exactly what those were casts. So
he's gonna take us to those spots and h This guy, I guess is
a natural. I haven't spoke to him personally yet, but I guess he's
a natural storyteller. And he's got a lot of info about Apparently his dad
saw Roger and Bob when they came out with Al Hotson. He they called
them, they called both those guys. His dad was there when they came
out when they before I went to Eureka. And so I'm hoping to get
some really cool info and if if he's gonna kind of how it goes too,
and if we hit it off, I'm sure we will. He is
a meanable to coming on the podcast. Oh nice nice. I know who
you're talking about. I had a long conversation with this gentleman. He has
his own observations of Sasquatches. He's he was right there in the in the
middle of everything with the history of it. That is going to be fantastic.
And you know, since you know these people at the Willow Creek Museum,
if you can go ahead and pass on my information, if there's anything
I can do to help them out, anything at all, I'm happy to
do that. Yeah. So, if there's anything I can do, go
ahead and pass on my number to them. I'm happy to help out any
other museums. Yeah, it's kind of like I had to tell them,
like I said, Yeah, now I'm kind of torn. You know.
I said, you're my first love, but I do love is the NABC,
and I kind of got to stick with that, you know, like
if I get something really good, Oh, there's room for both. There's
room for both. There's no competition in this because they're in California. I'm
up here in the Portland area that there's there's plenty going on here. I'll
tell you that. You know, all that historical stuff should should be housed
down there in the area in which it was found. I think that's really
amazing. You know, the tipmus collection stands on its own. It is
one of the most fantastic things you can put your eyes on if you're interested
in bigfoot stuff. And I'm thrilled to hear that they're going to augment the
museum and perhaps update it, because you know, I've gone through the drawers
there. You know, they've got a lot of stuff that isn't on display
and it's just been kind of sitting there, and I think that they could
perhaps do something more with the museum, and I think that it's it's about
time they do. I'm thrilled to hear it. Yeah, I'm not.
You know, I noticed there was stuff missing from the drawers because I've gone
through the drawers like a bunch of times, and we went through and again
I was like, I know, there's some good casts that are missing out
of this, But I hope there's just upstairs wherever they're storage, you know,
you know, but he's trying to They were looking at you. From
just the last year since he's been there, it's about ninety eight point five
percent of the people that come in come in to see the Bigfoot collection and
not like the you know, mining equipment and you know the typical you know
Wild West Museum, you know, mining the him type thing. So he's
trying to gently get a little more space, maybe move out some of the
stuff from the mining stuff and put in more big foot things. So that's
what that's what I mean, give the people what they want. That's what
people are there for. Yeah. Yeah, at the end of the day,
I think that the Willow Creek stuff is best known for Bigfoot. I
mean, look around town at the statues and the murals and all that other
stuff. I mean, Willow Creek is known for that and perhaps a little
bit less for prospecting in you know, oil lamps. Right right in the
foot of Cliff Cliff's doppelganger on the wall. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
super funny. Yeah, there's a guy on the wall that looks a lot
like me. Man, But I mean I was I wasn't even born when
this, I mean when when he died. You know. It's probably from
the nineteen twenties or earlier. I don't even know when, but it's oddly
similar to me. If I had much better taste and facial hair, I'll
send you a picture of that for he has pretty great. We'll put it
on the social media's. Yeah, I've seen that picture. He does look
like he died before you were born, and you've never been the same since.
I know, well at least you know, I know where I was
in her previous life, as in Willow Creek, and he had a good
style back then, not like now. I look terrible. So so you
were out in the where did you go, like up in the coast somewhere.
Did you got to go to the interior or what were you thinking we
did? Because oh yeah, Well so the first night we went into one
of my old spots, you know, up by Rowad National Park, and
we went in and there was totally dead. I mean there was there was
rodents, There was rodents around, but you know, it's quite I said,
you know, it's contympically be dead. And you know it's usually twenty
forty five minutes at least until you know, from when we stop and sit
down and just be quiet, we might get some knocks or you know,
here's some stuff coming around us. We didn't hear anything. I was like,
god, like it was dead, but I kind of felt like they
could have been around, like I wasn't. I was like, it feels
like they could be around, but I'm not sure. Like and when I
was there too much earlier with Bart, remember I told you about we heard
those really late knocks that as they moved up the creak away from us,
like really really subtle knocks, like they weren't knocking for us at all,
that they were knocking so we couldn't hear them just for themselves as they moved
away. So I was thinking, like, well, it's probably you know,
I think this theres from what I can tell, is maybe a nursery
type area. And so we went anyways, we left like one in the
morning whatever, and then say at one thirty, about a half hour we
left crack. He got on the audio when he went back the next morning
and gathered the audio, there was about a dozen different knocks, I mean
solid knocks, and where he put the we were hiking out about a mile
out whatever it was, say it was a mile, and where you're hiking
a mile, stuff happens. And then near the where you start hiking at
that is the other spot where we've had activity, but nothing in this like
it's a dead zone for like you know, three quarters of a mile.
There's nothing ever happens in there, like ever. And he hung three recorders
and the middle one was in the dead zone and the knocking went on for
I think he said twenty minutes or so. But the interesting thing was the
last knock was like a power knock, and it was right by the recorder,
Like they came into this area that I thought they didn't come into,
and they were. That was the last power knock. It was a full
power knock near the recorder. So that was cool to know that they were
problem. I mean, they may have came in after we left, but
I think they were there the whole time, and after we left they just
did their thing. Yeah, maybe they're onto you. They like they kind
of like, oh, these guys are going to hang out in the dark
for a while, Like they've seen you enough. You're in there, you
know fairly often they might know you personally by now, in which case they're
onto you and they're just waiting for you to leave because that's what you usually
do at some point, right Yeah, yeah, Okay, So our guest
today is Doug Shay. He is a recent witness. He saw a sasquatch
basically and almost en route to a Sasquatch conference, which is crazy, but
you know, weird things have happened. And so Doug, thank you very
much for coming on Bigfoot and be on today and then being willing to share
your story with us. That's a Doug all doing well. Good to hear
from y'all. And yeah, it was. I was almost afraid to even
report it at first because of the fact that it was so close to squatch
Fest, but I'm glad we did because it sounds like it's been yielding some
really good results. Well, I get where you're coming from, because you
know, back in the day, I saw something that was dark and upright
with an arms swing and on my while being driven to the Texas Bigfoot Conference.
And to this day I wonder if that was a sasquatch or not.
But you know, obviously I don't know for sure. It was such a
great distance. But also the fact that I was on my way to the
Texas Bigfoot Conference and you know, with bigfooters in the front seat, I
just kind of thought, like no one would believe me anyway, So like
whatever, man, So I totally get your hesitancy to bring this up.
But I'm so glad you did well. Thank you. I knew that I
could talk to you about it because and Carrie also were really glad that we
were able to talk to you about the siding. And Todd was a little
disappointed because he was down lower. But and it's funny because we weren't even
going to end up in that area because we first tried the Mount Saint Helen's
area first. But there was so much snow and it was just there was
all kinds of road damage. I actually had a bad migraine that day,
and it was on Thursday, so we're kind of glad. We decided we
saw there was going to be no rain for about three or four hours,
so we said, let's just jet on down into Oregon and see if we
can stir up something. When you came up to my table at squatch Fest
on Friday and you told me about it, I said, we saw a
sasquatch, So what really? Really? Okay, that's interesting. And I
said, okay, well, where was this either some road crossing or something
on the five or you know, or what was going on? And you
said, oh yeah, I was up at you know, kind of in
the area of Sandy Ridge Trail and I go, oh my god, that's
right up the road from my home. You know, those are those are
my bigfoots, so to speak. You know, those are the ones that
probably cruise through my neighborhood occasionally, because you know, over the years on
the podcast here, I've kind of mentioned when I think that sasquatches might have
been nearby, you know, either scaring my wife inside or some knox or
vocalizations that I've personally heard on my property, and I think, oh my
gosh, those are probably the same ones. And I've done several, like
numerous investigations obviously all up and down the ridge there just a little further up
in rhododendron. I think I've now investigated maybe four or six or more road
crossing sidings on Highway twenty six. There's been stuff up on Lolo Pass Road
forever, and those are that's all right there in the neighborhood. In fact,
this is kind of kind of weird, I guess, and some for
serendipoitous perhaps, But just today we acquired another part of another historical collection.
The guy's still alive or whatever, and there's more to come, So I'll
save all that until later at some point, but about two file boxes full
of things like the track record and some photographs and personal correspondences from Peter Burrn
because he was a good friend, that Peter Burns, and all this other
stuff. And I was kind of leafing through a lot of that stuff today
getting it organized, and lo and behold, I ran across footprint finds and
sightings and some other things, all from the Welches and lo Low Pass area,
which is pretty much ground zero for your sighting. So yeah, that
the history has been there for a long time and obviously still continues to this
day. Well maybe not this day, but you know last week, which
is pretty much this day, I think, sir to say. Yeah,
So I was blown away when you said that, when you said the location,
because you don't know where I live. You don't know anything about like
the history of this area because you guys live in California. So when you
said that, I was thrilled. And of course we went out there on
Sunday with you as well. But now I've heard the story, I've been
to the siding location with you, I've done the investigation, I've done all
sorts of stuff up there. But Bobo, I don't think has heard it
from your lips. So why don't you tell the Buds and Bobo what transpired
that day? Okay, that sounds great. Yeah, well, we had
driven up Wednesday. We had actually gone to the NABC and had showed them
one of the casts that we took, which we also showed you at the
squatch Best. So Thursday, we thought, we got here day early,
we're going to do a little squatching, and we originally were going to go
up to Mount Saint Helen's and we're going to try to just find a spot.
But it was two feet plus the snow. Everywhere you went. You
couldn't hardly get off the road because of the snow plows, and it was
raining the whole time, and so Todd said, why don't we head down?
And I had a migraine that day too, and I wasn't feeling that
good. So that's funny how things turn out like that. But anyway,
Todd goes, hey, I noticed that the weather's breaking in Oregon around Mount
Hood area, So why don't we just go down there? And we don't
know the area, but we thought, well, let's just go up the
highway there and just take a road and see what happened. So we went
up at first, but there was just way too much ice and snow,
so we turned back and ended up in the area that you mentioned, and
we noticed there was a place that you could park and there was a lock
gate, and so we saw the road and we said, hey, let's
just walk up this road. So we started walking up and we were doing
some tree knocks. We didn't do any calls or anything. Well, we
heard a knock. Carrie and Todd myself heard one knock, and then we
got up i'd say a half mile or so, and we had left the
car probably around two o'clock, and so we were up that road about a
half mile or so, and all of a sudden, Carrie I was up
in front of Carry. Carrie was in the middle, and Todd was down
below. And we're up that road and there's a bend up there just ahead,
and Carry goes, I just heard a tree knock, and both me
and Todd go we didn't hear it. And then all of a sudden,
he looked over to his left at the time he goes, do you guys
see that? And I was just like looking around, and all the sudden
I saw something just move upright, saw its arm swinging. It's kind of
deep as far as brush there with the trees with the different forage down there,
and there was snow on the ground too, But that thing moved faster,
and I've seen anything move. And I saw its head, I saw
its arm swaying. It didn't look at me, but Carrie said it actually
was standing by a tree and they made eye contact and then it just took
off, and so carry goes, did you see that? And I went
and I hesitated because I was trying to just process in my mind what I
was seeing, because I was like, oh, my goodness, I am
seeing a sasquatch. And then I said, yes, I saw it.
And Todd was a little bummed because he was a little lower, so he
didn't have quite as good view where he was because that thing just moves so
quick between the trees, and it got lost because of all the different other
foliage from some evergreen trees in the area. And so I saw it probably
only it seemed like a decent amount of time, but it was probably only
about two seconds. And it was tall, because I thought it was shorter
till you were standing out there on Sunday, and then I realized how much
bigger it was, So I'd say it had to be in the seven and
a half to eight foot range based on being there that second time on Sunday.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be
right back after these messages. Now, when you saw this going down,
One of the questions I wanted to ask you after thoroughly studying the event,
by the way, is when you saw it running, could you hear it
running? No? I couldn't hear it running. It was just gliding.
I mean I heard something you heard rustling that It wasn't like a loud like
it's loud sound, and I think it's probably because the snow was helping to
lower the percussion of it. And I was just amazed on how I've never
seen anything move so fast. How far were you from it? And like,
how how long a distance you think it covered? You see it go
for twenty yards or forty yards or I think it covered probably twenty to forty
yards and we were approximately i'd say thirty yards from where we saw it.
We were pretty close. That's close. Yeah, it was close. Actually
I measured it when I've gone back there twice since I last saw you.
The distance from where I met where the footprints were found and the road was
sixty yards okay, sixty yards Okay, a little bit more of sixty three
or something like that, but it was about between sixty sixty five yards.
Well, that helps explain it, because man, you know, when you
look at see I'm not a very good judge a distance when it comes out
being in the woods, and that just shows right there, because to me
it looked like pretty close. But sixty yards that makes sense, But yeah,
it was. I'm glad you got that. That's another reason I want
to start measuring things and doing things so that we can get really accurate.
So sixty yards still close though, Yeah, yeah, Well you know what,
I'm part of the thing, and I've been thinking about this kind of
a lot, and I'm when we went out there on Sunday. Okay,
So let's back up a little bit. At squatch Fest. You told me
about this stuff, and I'm thinking, of course, you saw a sasquatch.
When I have a working obligation for the next two days and I can't
get out there, that's the way things go. How that's Murphy's law,
which is why Murphy is called Murphy in our Bigfoot Museum. Something's always going
wrong. Great opportunity, and I've got to work and shake hands and talk
to people and stuff like that instead of going out to the woods. So
anyway, when we got out there on Sunday, of course Matt and Emily
prut there were guests at my home, so they came out with us.
And of course, how cool is that to out and you know, I'm
visiting, visiting Oregon, and I get to go on a sasquatch you know,
investigation that happened two or three days ago. That's pretty cool. But
so anyway, we met you at eleven o'clock on Sunday morning after coming home
from Longview and went up there, and when you put me in the place
that you thought it was, it was a lot closer. Well, the
place you put me was closer than where the animal actually was, and we
know that because we found footprints further back. So when you said you were
guessing it was thirty yards or so in the woods, that was you probably
put me at thirty or forty yards and then nothing was there. So we
looked around and we identified the trackway we cut the trail. Basically, we
found the track, so where the thing was running. I think I may
have found the area where it was actually standing when the first visual carry I
think saw it first. I think we found that area because there's a big
push down area in the ferns where there's a little bit of snow still and
all that jazz. You guys actually found the first track in the snow,
which I thought was really cool as well. But what struck me is like,
oh yeah, usually the witness puts me in the wrong spot first,
and very often it's actually closer to the witness than the sasquatch was actually standing.
And I've been kind of contemplating that, and I think the reason for
that is because they're big animals, and they look like they're closer because they're
so big. But because this is a pretty big sasquatch. You said,
seven and a half eight feet tall. The footprints measured about fifteen inches,
you know, so at least fourteen and a half, probably in the fifteen
inch range, give or take a little bit, based on the you know,
numerous tracks that we found in the ground. So that kind of occurred
to me as like, oh yeah, of course they're going to put me
closer than the actual sasquatch because you know, they're you know, pipsqueak.
Little Cliff, who's five foot eight is a lot smaller than that sasquatches,
and they're going to think that the sasquatch is closer because they're so big.
You know, that makes perfect sense. And I'm just really glad that,
you know, we were looking back and thinking maybe we should have looked at
the snow prints, but it was like four o'clock in the afternoon and we
had to get back to our hotel and long View, And I'm kind of
glad due to the fact that our research capabilities are not up to your level
at this point, though we're learning we might have just like destroyed the whole
trackway, So I'm so glad we in a way. I mean, the
only drawback was the fact that it decided to pour for three days, so
it probably damaged some of the tracks a little. But no, that was
you know, I never expected i'd see it, but it was amazing.
If you had gone out there to investigate the snow prints, you may have
run into something unexpected because what we found is from the place where you guys
said you saw it. It was running to your left. Okay, now
tracking that a little bit towards the hill where you said that it was running
towards another fifty sixty I don't know. I'm not very good at distance,
so probably another maybe i'll say sixty or eighty yards or so, maybe one
hundred, I don't know. In that direction I lost its trail. I
have no idea where it went. But the last thing I found, and
you saw this, and Matt Prue and Emily's Prude as all they saw this
as well. The thing sat down that it did not leave the area immediately,
at least I've certainly left the area eventually. But it did not leave
the area immediately because we found the place in the ferns where the thing put
its butt down. We didn't find a butt print, but we did find
two, actually three hand prints to the left and right of where all these
ferns were pushed down. There was one on the right hand side and two
on the left hand side. Now some of you might be saying, wait,
sasquatches don't have three hands. Well, you know one hand can touch
the ground twice, right, So yeah, so there were three handprints two
in the left and one of the right of where the ferns were pushed down,
indicating that the thing probably sat down next to this log in the ferns.
So the thing might have been there just waiting for you to leave that
if you had gone out in the snow to look at the footprints, you
may have come across a little bit more than you bargained for. Well,
that is good information. No, I'm really glad that occasionally we might listen
to our inner self and saying, maybe it's not a good idea to go
in there. I'm glad we didn't had a great idea. That's exactly you
know, you want to go in there. Well, that's something that's something
for us to consider, Like if anybody out there listening or you know,
us here blabbing, if any of us see a sasquatch, like just throwing
an idea out there. So we have a using a scientific method here,
we have a little bit of data that the thing sat down. Yeah,
I mean I think it's safe to assume for moreton maybe a few seconds or
maybe a few minutes, who knows how long. We don't know, but
we do know it sat down. What if that is a normal behavior for
sasquatches after they're observed, like they leave, they presumably leave the area and
then sit down again. Remember, according to doctor Grover Krantz in his book
Bob Tittmans tracked Patty after Roger and Bob saw the thing, And what did
it do? It left the area and then immediately circled down again and sat
down and watched Roger and Bob cast the prince or do whatever they are doing
on the sandbar that day. Well, this animal, this animal split and
ran off to your left, you know, towards the hill and then sat
down. How far was it sat down? About sixty yards sixty seventy yards
or more or something like that. That's it. Yeah, So what if
this is normal sasquatch behavior. When people think that the sasquatch has left the
area, they usually do too because they're shaken up and a little scared at
the time. But what if that's not happening. But Patty went for like
a couple miles. No, she didn't. She went a few hundred yards
and went up the hill, well on that rock face where Bob tracked her
down the hill or up the river and then up the rock face and then
that's where he stopped and turned around and went back to Roger, and then
the thing went up at one hundred and seventy five yards from where Roger and
Bob were and watched them. According to Bob Timmas and Bob Gimlin's account,
I thought she went up like half a mile and cut up, or I
think came back like a quarter mile and was overviewing him or something like that.
Bob Gimlin said that he tracked her but by on the wet footprints on
the rocks up the Bowling Alley north of the Patterson Gablin film site to a
rock wall that she scaled directly up, having gone up and down there several
times. There's only one option for that that I'm aware of at least,
and it is about, I don't know, three hundred yards up the up
the you know, I'm guessing. Again, distance is a little weird for
me, but it's way it's before the turn up by Scorpion Creek. But
the point is it left the area until she felt safe and then scooted around.
But again, data point of only two is much to go on,
but I'm just putting that out there. What if this is normal sasquatch behavior.
Maybe we as witnesses and researchers are missing an opportunity to see the thing
again. I think they always do that. I've always thought they just they
don't just take off for miles. They just go till they're safe, and
then they observe again because they're observers. Yeah, but this thing was not
very far so anyway, pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, sixty hours, that's
nothing. That's powerful information that has been unlocked. It's speculation, to be
fair, it's just speculation at this point, but it's an interesting thing to
check. You know, if somebody has the guts to follow the sasquatch a
little bit away from where they observed it, maybe they'd find the things sitting
there, hiding there, waiting for you to go away. You know.
Yeah, that makes sense because deer even do that type of behavior. I've
noticed a lot of times deer will go at certain distance and stop and look
around. So it shouldn't be surprising that sasquatch would do something like that too,
because it probably figures we're out of its sight and they can just kind
of regroup. And that is really good information, and it was hidden so
well in that that area too, So well, Bobo, I think I
will in the future try your method. I don't always do that, but
I just know that you're here, take off, you know, and then
they just stop like there's just not another sound. But I know that they
can slip away, like see, you don't know if they're there or not,
because there's they can go so silent mode. But sometimes you hear like
crutch, crunch, crush, and they go off a distance and then they
just there's just no more noise, like there's just they're sitting there. So
yeah, but I don't think that. I don't think they run for miles.
I think they just go to their safe. They feel like, okay,
I can watch, I can safe. They look from here, see
what happens. Well, no, when you guys, after you guys saw
this, I'm curious, put yourself back in that place where you're you observe
the thing running from right to left. There's a few moments pass and you're
and you're probably it's one of those like holy crap sort of moments. Right,
what did you do immediately afterwards? Because this has bearing on sasquat behavior
at this point, So what were what were you guys doing immediately seconds and
for the next few minutes after seeing the animal. Well, first of all,
we just kind of discussed it a little bit, like Carrie and I
were talking and Tom was going, I didn't see it, and so then
we walked We ended up walking up a little further. Actually, we walked
up a little further around the bend, and then we said, hey,
it's getting later because it was going to start raining again and we knew we
had to make it up to long View, and so we just started walking
down the trail again. And I was constantly looking over to my right now
since we were going down the trail and they were too, and just hoping
that it would be flushed out some more. But there was nothing interesting.
Okay, yeah, so maybe it's set. I mean I wish, of
course, you can't tell how long something was there, unfortunately, but sure
would like to know how long it watched you guys for, because it didn't
run very far, unless you know, there's another possibility that crossed my mind
when I was out there looking at sign unless there was another one there.
We don't know that. So I think too the fact that when we got
there Sunday and Matt found that elk carcass too, and there was a lot
and there was a lot of deer there too, as like it seemed like
prime habitat. And so maybe that's another reason I didn't want to leave,
because it liked its ground that it had staked there. I'm not sure.
I don't know their behavior well enough, but yeah, and it's so ironic
because here we're in northern California, getting closer and closer to some in our
area based on just the activity we're having, and it was so ironic,
of all places I saw it in Oregon. Yeah. Yeah, So so
how long would you estimate after the siding were you in the area after so
you walked up a little further, you came back it. There's some discussion
obviously, how many minutes do you think you were actually in the area.
Probably close to thirty minutes. And we were just looking around and because we
went up a little further and we would talk about it, and then we
started walking down stop, look to our right, look for anything else,
trying to hear noises. We didn't do any more tree knocks after that.
We didn't hear anything, but and then eventually we made our way back down
the hill and jumped into our vehicle and we were Actually it's kind of funny
because when we drove by the NABC, we saw a bunch of cars there
and Todd goes, hey, should we report it? And I go,
now, I look at all those cars. Plus I don't feel that good.
We can just talk to them at squatch Fest. And little did we
know until later that Meldrum was there, and so that's pretty interesting. Yeah,
that was January twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. We had an event
here at the NABC. See I was here, obviously, and doctor Meldrim
was here, and so was Michael Freeman and Tom Powell and Ken Gerhardt and
Matt and Emily Prutz. All sorts of folks were here, just all sorts
of people. And if you would have come, it would have been very
disruptive to our evening. I guarantee that, because they said, all right,
everybody go home, we're gonna uprom the hill right now. So in
a way, I'm kind of glad you didn't come, because we would,
you know, would have destroyed the entire evening. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages,
I wanted to get a little more description of what you saw, like I
like color patterns, hair length, like facial features, like the broadness of
it, like a muscle definition, all that kind of stuff. Okay,
Yeah, for me, it was kind of funny because Carrie, I said,
what did it look like? And he goes, well, it was
a really distinct brown with white. He saw some white like I don't know
if it was on its chin, because he said it actually was standing by
that tree and they made eye contact and so and I said, well,
I looked at it as more like a reddish brown. But he found he
started going through the internet and found a picture of one that's obviously an artist
depiction. He goes, this is what I saw, And I go,
you know, a long hairy because like I saw the hair hanging on its
arm when it was moving, and I mean, it was just darting through
those trees. I've never seen anything so quick. It's kind of a like
a brown, a lighter brown that maybe was aging. I don't know,
but I once we looked at a picture that he'd showed me to go,
that's what I saw. So I saw, I saw its hair. I
didn't really see its legs too well because it was moving so fast and because
of the foliage the way it's set up, it was probably up to its
knee or something or less. And then I saw its head from the side.
It never looked at me, but it definitely had broad shoulders, long
hair, and then I just saw that arm moving really quick and it was
just gone in a flash. It It's so weird how your mind when you
see something like that and you're just like trying to basically, Okay, what
am I seeing. That's not a deer. I've seen a million deer hopping
through the woods. That's not an elk. I've seen elk in the woods.
It's not a bear. That is an upright creature moving swiftly. It
just moved quicker than I expected. But I did get a good side view
of it, and it had hair I would say probably in the range of
six inches, maybe a little longer than that. It had definitely a coned
head, big head into broad shoulders, and I just saw that arm moving
quickly and was gone before I hardly could even just what my mind just saw.
And I'm glad CARRY got a straight on view. And that's why when
he said, did you see that? And I hesitated. He was like
worried no one else saw it because he lost it after it saw him.
It just took off and he couldn't find it again. But fortunately I was
up about probably thirty feet forty feet, so I had a really good view,
better view of what of those woods over there that were to our left
at that time. It was kind of my left right because I was kind
of starting to look at it just take off through those trees, and I've
just you know, they always say they're almost like gliding there so quick.
That's that's what I would describe it, going in between the trees. And
I mean, I think there was a little bit of noise, but I
think I was so focused on what I was seeing. I didn't even my
auditory brain weays were not even just paying attention to the noise that was going
on, because it just it's it's just weird when you actually see something like
this and you're going, like, wow, am I seeing what I'm seeing?
But I knew what it was. There's nothing no animal I've ever seen
done has done that. And I'm out. I'm a very outdoors person.
I've seen so many bears in my life and other creatures in the wilderness.
Even seen a couple of mountain lions. Yeah, it was none of those.
It was definitely a sasquatch, and so kind of shakes you to your
foundations when you see something like that. Yeah, it's funny. You're going
to shock, like you're talking to before, Like your brain goes like a
really quick rollout, decks like like what am I looking at it? You
go through like all the animals super quick, like no, no, no,
no bear or no elk no dear. It's just and then you're like,
oh, like it just comes to me. You're like, oh my
god, I just saw a freaking squatch. YEP, it was kind of
funny. A friend of ours had some pictures like a few days later when
return from squatch Fest, and he goes, yeah, it's funny how people
will say you misidentified it. He goes, I'm going to do a little
experiment with you, and he had some pictures on a on a thing.
He says, I'm just going to show you and turn it around and see
if you can identify it. And he did it to me, and I
identified every one of them in just that flash. So there's no misidentification here.
You know, your brain process it very quickly. But yeah, I
liked your explanation. Like a rollodex. That's just your mind is just going
like what am I seeing? This is crazy because it just doesn't fit,
doesn't fit what you expect. Well, you know what might shake your cage
a little harder. Think about how fast you saw the animal running. Okay,
you've stated several times at you were just kind of astonished. I guess
at how quickly it moved. Okay. Now, there have been track finds
that have a step length. A step, of course, is left to
right or right to left, whereas a stride is from right to right or
left or left. It's in slightly different nomenclature here. There have been track
finds with a step length of nine or ten feet or so, you know,
give or take a little bit, which is, you know what,
one hundred and twenty inches. Right, The average step length that I found
in the trackway out there at your siding location was about fifty two inches.
So it wasn't even running, you know, so I consider that it wasn't
it wasn't all an ass. Wow. Yeah, So if that doesn't shake
your cage, I don't know what would. So you might have seen this
scene going fifteen miles an hour or more, which is pretty fast for something
in the woods, you know, but it they're capable of much much faster
than that, especially with such long step lengths. So most of the tracks
that we found were about fifteen or i'm sorry, fifty two or so inches
apart, give or take a little bit. That's what we were using for
the tracking stick length ffty two inches, and that's how we found most of
the tracks. So even after you saw it, you know, and of
course there were some areas in there where we didn't pick up tracks. The
thing about this trackway like from the very as far back as we can track
it to the very last place that we know that it was, it was.
I did the measurement so on my GPS, I don't have the number,
but I bet it was about one hundred and twenty or so yards,
maybe one hundred and fifty two hundred yards at the most. So you it
probably ran just for a little ways. And there were there were three or
four tracks in a row, maybe two or three because you saw me like,
oh, here's a track, and I pointed, there's one and there's
one. That kind of stuff. We'd find two or three in a row,
then we'd lose it, lose it for little ways, and then pick
it up again a little further away. So maybe it was running, Maybe
it did run the whole way. We don't really know. We don't really
know. But we were using fifty two inches on the track and sick to
find consecutive tracks. So when you compare that to you know, like,
you know, one hundred or one hundred and twenty inches, that's pretty nuts.
That is wow. Just from what I'm hearing in the research you've done
after. It just shows you are unlocking I think some really important things that
we need to think about in the future when we're looking for these. I
think we don't we haven't scratched the surface obviously, and just what the capabilities
of these I don't know. I guess North American apes is what I would
describe a sasquatch as. But that is amazing. I wish that we had
a really terrible storm a few weeks ago, and the further back I track
this thing, the more obscured the possible prints became, to the point where
under the trees there was there was like legit, like an inch or more
of furboughs and whatnot from the dug furs that in the area and whatnot,
and the lake flitter was everywhere. Anyway, It's terrible. It's hard tracking
this thing, and I'm not a good tracker, so I mean, there's
probably sign out there that I miss, of course. But when you went
back under the tree canopy where this thing came from, it came from the
direction of the river as near as I can figure, at least the first
track in the trackway was indicating that if we didn't have that storm, I
may have been able to track it back even further. But the ground was
largely obscured under the fur boughs that had dropped. Unfortunately. I wish that
wasn't the case, but it is so. But you know, one of
those things, did any fingers some of those handprints, these handprints have yes
and no. It was largely in leaf litter, you know. So that's
the problem, and a lot of the research areas I've been working there is
a good layer of leaf litter. Unfortunately, those alder trees drop all those
big leaves, and sometimes you can see the impressions in the leaf litter and
then you remove the leaves and then like there's space under the leaves and that
it didn't impress into the ground as well. So actually, I've been doing
some experiments where I've been casting on leaf litter sometimes and then I've been casting
after I remove the leaf litter to see if any indentations happen in the ground.
And I'm not sure which way is any better at this point, because
when you pour plaster on top of leaf litter, there's cracks in a leaf
litter, and it fills in the space underneath, and a lot of times
it just ruins any sort of definition that might be there. These particular casts,
the three handprints, one of them is awful. You can't make heads
or tails out of it. The other two are kind of interesting. The
right hand side, the right hand literally the right hand when I poured it
in there a lot of the plaster leaked through the leaf litter and kind of
made this big blob underneath, but you can see hints of where the see
indications of where the fingers were above it. The other one was interesting and
it was much closer to the soil, so it's actually a little bit better
casts, but Unfortunately. What happened on that one is I poured it on
top of I cleared off the loose leaf litter, and where I thought it
was in contact with the ground, I poured plaster on that, and some
did leak through. But you know what happened, The plaster went into a
mole tunnel, you know, like the rod the moles, you know,
like it filled up a mole tunnel. So I have like a plaster can
of this mole burrow underneath where the handprint was, so it's a handle.
Yeah, you would think that like the pressure of the hand would have crushed
the mole borough, but it's just not the case. I mean. But
that was also the hand that was further away from like from where the animal
was sitting, presumably sitting. So maybe that was just a touch on the
ground real fast and not a lot of pressure happened there. I don't really
know. But what's interesting is that that that cast has almost like a two
story sort of thing, like a two layer effect on it. The mole
burrow is one layer, and then on the other layer, like closer to
the surface, you can actually see the fingers, so that you can see
fingers in that one but you don't get a good palm because the burrowing of
the animal. Unfortunately, the mole was underneath it, but it got I
believe that the hands were about eight inches wide, so they are right in
there what we'd expect. I suspect, I don't know. I suspect this
is probably a male. I didn't you know it's a fifteen inch print.
I think most male footprints are between fifteen and sixteen inches long. I think
the seventeens are rare or slide in and outs, or that the you know,
distortions of the impression itself. So I think, based on the eyewitness
description and the footprints, that this thing was a male. But I could
be wrong. I don't know. I don't know much about these animals.
I just try to like to learn about them. I think we're learning more
though. You uncovered a lot of history there that if you hadn't searched this
find, we wouldn't know well. And I so appreciate you bringing us to
the location. But whenever, and this is something for the researchers out there,
I guess, including you because you're a researcher, Doug, that when
you go to a siding location with the witness, do everything you can while
you're there, but go back later without the witness, and it's nothing weird.
And I'm not saying you're a pretty suspicious, shady guy, Doug.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that sometimes, you know,
you learn what you can from the witness and then go without them and learn
what you can without the witness there. Because we didn't backtrack it when you
and I were there together with the pro. We backtracked it the next day
when Keith and I went out there together. And if you can, if
you can find more information without the presence of the witness, you can be
fairly sure that the witness knows nothing about it, you know. And I
don't doubt for a second that you saw sasquatch because there were footprints everywhere,
you know. I mean that's just one of those things, you know.
But finding stuff without the presence of the witness, without the witness's knowledge that
that stuff is there, that adds an entirely new layer of authenticity to the
encounter. And so I recommend every sasquatch investigator, Yeah, go there the
witness, learn what you can, and then go there later without the witness
to see what you can figure out. I went there twice without you.
I've been to the site three times now, coming back with casts every single
time because this is a wonderful opportunity to learn a little bit about the local
bigfoots in the neighborhood. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. I'm so glad you've found
those things, because you know, when you have a siding and you know
you had it, but there's still that part of you like, Okay,
was my mind just running wild or something, you know, because it just
it kind of it's like you see yourself in a different state, you know,
when stuff like that happens. And to have you go back and find
even more, it just it's just like, Wow, I'm just so glad
we told you because you're unlocking more information that we need to know about these
creatures and why it's so imperative that we find it. So people just don't,
you know, render it harm as some seem to want to do.
I think we're lucky to find anything. I mean, you know how hard
it rained up at Longview apparently did the same thing down here. So the
rain was just dumping for two days basically, Peter, you know you saw
it on Thursday. We were there on Sunday, Saturday. It was Friday
and Saturday just dumped down here apparently, So we're lucky to have found anything
at all. Of course, the snow was all gone by the time we
got there, or more or less gone. We did find that one print
in the snow with the big toe and all that jazz. But I think
we're lucky to have found anything, So thank you so much for reporting it
so quickly and letting us have the opportunity to get out there before time.
Erosion and the weather took care of all the data that could have been gathered
that we did gather at the site. Absolutely cool. Yeah, I'm looking
forward to go down here because I live like twenty minutes these guys. Yeah,
Bobs, we're gonna definitely plan on maybe not this weekend, but I
think possibly the next weekend on a Saturday, where we're going to try to
get up there, so we'll see if we can. Uh well, we'll
give you a heads up on it and we'll plan. Todd's all ready to
take us in his truck. And we'll head up and see what we can
find. Well, I know, I know, thanks for coming on board.
That's a cool story. Now, I'm glad you got that setting,
and I'm glad you got Cliff involved and you got some casts and it's like
that, that's a productive setting. It came up with some results and part
evidence. Well, I'm just glad that we were I'm glad Todd talked us
into going earlier so that we had a chance to do that. And it
was really nice meeting Matt and Emily Pruitt too. They're definitely hardcore squatchers,
you know. It's just nice to be in the community and get to know
the different ones. And like you had mentioned, I know we're wrapping this
up, but I really appreciated, you know, Mike Freeman's story, and
that was amazing just hearing the history of what he went through and all the
findings. It's just just seems like we're getting closer to helping people to realize
this isn't just a fantasy, it's reality. It's hard to imagine a squatch
your weekend than the one you experienced. Yeah, that's for sure, and
I wanted to keep gome common though, well, actually it kind of has.
On Friday, when I was up there alone, you know, casting
the hand prince and whatnot. On the way back up the car, I
got a call from a good friend of mine who saw two sasquatches at the
research location that I frequent. So, yeah, my weekend didn't stop with
your stuff. My weekend's been going on for two weeks now and it's been
crazy. I actually hope somebody doesn't see a sasquatch this week so I can
have two days off in a row. That's great. Doug, thank you
so much for coming on and sharing your story with us and the listeners.
We really really do appreciate it. I can't tell you how thankful I am
that you shared your story with me that Friday night at squatch Fest and allowing
me to opportunity to gather information on the local sasquatches that are sometimes probably literally
in my backyard. That really means a lot to me. And as I
get these casts cleaned off, I mean, they're not pretty, but they're
legit. Man, there's some toes in these things. We have a little
bit of information about this animal and to my knowledge, well, and let
me say this, there there Apparently there have been other footprint casts taken on
the ridge before going through the historic informations this past week. Since you're siding
there, there's there's whispers of other casts that were taken in the general area.
I have never seen one of them, so to me, this siding
is very very special, not only because these might be actually the bigfoots that
are around my neighborhood, but also this represents the first time we're taking a
look at some of these footprints of the animals there. And this is this
is ground zero. This is where we start the interesting stuff. This isn't
The question of if big foots a real art is of no interest to me.
I want to know how they live, and by tracking them is the
only way to do it. And this is the first piece of data that
I have in my possession that I can use for future reference. If another
trackway happens out there at Lo Low Pass or something, or by Lost Lake
or one of these places, I can say, Okay, is it the
same animal that Doug and the guys saw back in January of twenty four And
then I can compare the cast, and that's where the real interesting stuff starts
happening. So I want to thank you very much for helping me start my
data sets on that particular ridge. Well, thank you Cliff, and thank
you Bobo, and thank you Matt. Just looking forward to doing a lot
more in the future. Awesome, all right, Doug. Well, looking
forward to getting out there and hoping your good luck even having all these discoveries.
I hope it rolls off of me when I go with you guys,
and yeah, folks, thanks for tuning in and until next week, everyone
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