WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:06.599 The opinions expressed by Chayo Busquets are supported by his extensive experience as a family 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:12.560 therapist and in the previous analysis of the cases presented here welcome. This is 3 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:19.399 Chayo with you. In Joya. We begin very good afternoon to everyone as 4 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:24.839 I am Chayo Busquets, these Chayo with you and we are starting last week 5 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:28.359 of May. We' re out of it. We' re out of 6 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:31.679 May and we' re ready here to start today' s program. We 7 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:38.200 ' re having Anacatirias Suárez on the show today. She is a lawyer, 8 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:45.960 a criminalist, a founder of voices that humanizes justice and is a woman who 9 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:55.119 knows all about family violence, especially unless I wronged Nacatiria. How do I 10 00:00:55.240 --> 00:01:00.920 tell you ana or Katiria or Nakatiria how you want perfect yanas. I don 11 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:04.359 ' t like your Katyria what it means. You know, yeah, it 12 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:10.439 ' s a flower of ok, but the name' s nice, and 13 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:11.879 I don' t think you know another one that' s called like you 14 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.079 don' t. I' m not opening up with you either. Well, 15 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.519 very welcome to the show. I understand, as I said, that 16 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.640 you are a specialist in everything that has to do with violence against women. 17 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:30.439 Right, yeah, that' s my career. I' m a career 18 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:37.239 lawyer. I am specialized in criminal law, criminal litigation in general and as 19 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:41.000 a personal vocation, as it is the defense of gender and human rights, 20 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:45.519 which is strictly related to this line of law. Perfect. Well, today 21 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:48.760 ' s program is about to be addressed, because whenever they ask me questions 22 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:53.840 about these issues. I' m telling you, that' s from a 23 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.319 lawyer and I' m a family therapist, but I can tell you the 24 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.040 emotional, but I can' t tell you the legal. Anakatiria is going 25 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:05.079 to be known today to others to be able to answer questions to their comments. 26 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.560 What can be done, what cannot be done. That you do not 27 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.759 have the right when violence begins and that is the question I ask you I 28 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:17.439 would start when for the law, in a relationship man woman or even woman 29 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:22.360 woman, yes, but in violence to women, when you already say that 30 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:30.120 it is violence. Well the verb of violence has legal effects when there is 31 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:35.599 a psycho- emotional affectation in IT, when there is a change of self 32 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.199 - perception. How you look like you' re feeling, yeah, so, 33 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.560 uh, you can go down the street. And if they tell you 34 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.599 something horrible, then you follow the long one and it' s over. 35 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:50.159 But in an environment where you live under one roof and it doesn' t 36 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.039 matter if it' s your partner or if it' s your dad or 37 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:58.199 your uncle. The point is that in this family nucleus someone is constantly making 38 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:06.680 comments, evaluations, comparisons disdain and a lot of zeal, so many behaviors 39 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:10.840 that people have no idea are part of the crime, uh, like ignoring 40 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.520 you this ice law, keeping you from the economy, imitating your actions. 41 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:22.479 All these kinds of behaviors, which are so normalized, are part of the 42 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:28.240 crime of family violence and are within the Penal Code of Wou, of the 43 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:34.080 country of care, of the state of repute, because we already started in 44 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.039 anapatiria and notice that we, in March, with Women' s Day, 45 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:43.080 we did a program, we did many, but one of them was from 46 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:50.960 romantic love to feminicide. Yes, from your place, what would be those 47 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.400 common denominators that you hear with all the dramas and tragedies that you owe of 48 00:03:54.800 --> 00:04:00.919 this one to hear and that are happening, and what would you tell those 49 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:06.400 who hear us abused when this begins to happen, then, notice that I 50 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:11.319 think it is or, in my opinion, on the smallest scale, it 51 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:15.400 is minimal violence. I don' t care. Femicide doesn' t choose 52 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.839 how much they beat you or how much it doesn' t seem to me 53 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:23.920 that it is the expression of the purest or most radical objectivization towards women, 54 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.439 that is, I use you, I submit you, I don' t 55 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:29.879 teach you. According to my judgment, and then I throw away your body 56 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.120 and I wind you up because you' re no longer good, because I 57 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:33.000 ' ve cancelled you, because I' ve already shut you up. So, 58 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:38.879 if you' re talking about a person you' re constantly being canceled 59 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:44.639 by their partner, it doesn' t even have to be physically where it 60 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.120 ' s always that you' re so silly. You, no, you 61 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.920 can' t make decisions from that minimal normalized trait of my husband being the 62 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:56.920 head of the family. That' s bullshit. There are no bosses in 63 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.279 any family here. It is a couple of pairs who have to take care 64 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:05.240 and respect both and when one feels superior to the other, begins a dynamic 65 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.759 of submission that, of course, first is a crime and second, does 66 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.959 not know if a bad blow is going to end in a femicide, because 67 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:21.839 let us remember that femicide For those men, I say with ne and be 68 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:28.319 girl and synache, those men who do not understand the eh gravity or women 69 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.399 who continue clinging to this misogynistic culture. It doesn' t have to do, 70 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:36.319 uh, uh, how much it' s gonna hurt you or then 71 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:41.839 from here this no longer comments threats. This doesn' t matter if they 72 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.240 don' t hit you, I mean, you don' t have to 73 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:45.920 come in with an eye in your hand so you can lose your life later. 74 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.120 The serious thing is that in front of the authorities, when women come 75 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:55.959 to ask for help and to denounce these inhumans, then it turns out that 76 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.639 they have the same culture and the same ideology to the justice operators, because 77 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.040 they are exaggerating. Or why do you file a complaint if you' re 78 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.959 coming to forgive him tomorrow? You don' t care much. If I 79 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.360 denounce myself and had the courage you have to generate the conditions and security guarantees 80 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:14.560 so that this does not happen again. Otherwise, in my opinion, authority 81 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:20.079 becomes a co- responsible for that femicide. Femicide must be a prior family 82 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:28.360 violence, sexual violence injuries to the body. That the body has been thrown 83 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:32.240 into the public street, threats, family violence, so it' s not 84 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:39.120 like all murders of women are feminicides. No. However, most femicides are 85 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:46.160 well typified. On the contrary, not all homicides are well classified and many 86 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.199 should be femicides. No doubt. I' ll leave you with a question 87 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:57.720 earlier You' re talking about a little abuse, an evaluatory comment, and 88 00:06:57.720 --> 00:06:59.759 so on. That' s already starting to do it. Yeah. S 89 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:05.120 However, when that already implies a complaint, because if I go and tell 90 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:10.079 him that my husband says that everything I say is stupid. I don' 91 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.279 t know if you can lift one of melia with that. Of course, 92 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.480 if you can write it down how it goes if you file a lawsuit. 93 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:23.000 So, yes, because there is forensic psychology. Then you get to the 94 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.639 D A. You report that this inhuman visit devalues you all the time and 95 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.639 tells you that you' re too stupid to do things all the time. 96 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.360 All the time. That generates a psycho- emotional affectation on your person. 97 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:39.120 You report these events, that is, yesterday he told me such anti- 98 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:44.800 ertal and two weeks ago such and he practices you an expert in forensic psychology, 99 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:49.399 where he says that, derived from the reported facts, you have a 100 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:57.040 psycho- emotional affectation that is standardized with batteries and evidence that forensic psychologists use 101 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:58.600 to identify this type of injury. I mean, it' s so serious 102 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.639 the damage it causes that by some reason the legislation established it as a crime. 103 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.199 It' s not that you can' t take anything anymore, it 104 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.639 ' s that why you have to put up with something is like it' 105 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.519 s a stone or what. So, the point is that many times authority 106 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:15.480 doesn' t have the criterion to follow up on that. But today there 107 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:20.839 are many groups of women who are interested in living a life free of violence 108 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.920 and then advise many women free of charge to go to the Public Prosecutor' 109 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.240 s Office and know their rights. Many times the Public Prosecutor' s Office 110 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.759 tells them no. It' s just that I don' t see any 111 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.000 crime here. Yeah, but you' re the public servant, and if 112 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.919 I come to report anything, you get me the complaint. If, after 113 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.440 offering evidence to practice everything to me, you consider that there is no crime, 114 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.759 then I will know how to resort to it, because there are also 115 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.799 other instances. The public ministry does not say the last word, nor is 116 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.360 it the pain of justice. Of course not. And all those men who 117 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.320 think that by hitting him in the belly you don' t notice, then, 118 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:58.200 because you also have to send them to the small workshop to see if 119 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.720 it gives them a cable adjustment. We' re back here in chayo with 120 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:07.799 you talking to criminal lawyer Ana Katiria Suárez Hey She' s, like I 121 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:16.320 told you, founder of voices humanizing for justice, just justice just like, 122 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.200 uh, what' s the website for you to get in and Ted tonces 123 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.759 humanizing justice on Facebook, on Instagram and there you can write to us. 124 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:30.519 We try to respond and as soon as possible to all the emails that send 125 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:35.720 us and what we do in voices humanizing justice. It is a strategic litigation 126 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.600 that includes not only defence or representation against authority. If we don' t 127 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.399 also give free self- defense workshops in tonces let' s start to see 128 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.240 the girls and the boys and girls that a second reaction changes your life to 129 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:54.120 self- defense. Not this one, we also give workshops, along with 130 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.879 other collaborators that we are. We are little, but it will call toar 131 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:05.799 María José Suárez and we are very Jun Jakiri Rubio, this my soul always 132 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.559 and good and we give workshops also, for example, to prepare, make 133 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.159 bread not in such a way that they can generate economy and be able to 134 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.320 leave their homes, because you already see that there are some cucarachos that, 135 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.919 because they keep the house, feel owners of people. So, in voices 136 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:26.799 we respond in an integral way with psycho- emotional reintegration therapies this and we 137 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:31.519 try to cover, because all the spaces that have been violated when faced with 138 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:37.360 these grave violations of human rights by the abusers. Unfortunately, how much work 139 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:45.279 you' ve got grossly awful phenences is that no matter where you come from 140 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:50.879 the degree. It doesn' t matter is that the one who is emotionally 141 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.879 ruinous and people think that maybe talking about the emotional psycho issue is something e 142 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:56.840 of dawn. No, it' s not legal, it' s social. 143 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.080 When there is so much value generated by the abusers in any economic, 144 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:09.639 sexual, physical, psycho, emotional aspect, one cannot be left to talk 145 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.480 about the right of the trials, of the accusation. It' s just 146 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.039 that you don' t want to fight, it' s just that you 147 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.440 ' re very troublesome. Chayo is always reporting visitors. No, no what 148 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.960 or, because now it' s such a fashionable word. No yes how 149 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.960 toxic to fall no, I am not toxic tell me gossip, because what 150 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.399 you do my chest is not cellar and I will accuse you with authority to 151 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.279 see what accounts you render. No, no, no, no, no, 152 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:35.600 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 153 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:35.600 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 154 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:35.600 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 155 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:35.600 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 156 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.600 no, no, no, no. You don' t have the 157 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.200 last word. That' s where I think we' re very ignorant. 158 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.600 People do, what is honest And now that we' re going to vote 159 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.120 on Sunday, I don' t care about politics, but that I understand 160 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.639 people that ignoring the law is a mechanism of social manipulation that so many people 161 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.279 are afraid to go to the authorities because they don' t know their rights. 162 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.759 The public minister has an obligation to receive a complaint with what you consider 163 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:03.559 to cause you an injury, and if they then consider that the stated conduct 164 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.879 is not harmful, you have other resources. You have appeals, you have 165 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:13.399 disagreements, you have a lot of legal resources to tell the public prosecutor who 166 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.320 determined that situation. No, no, no, no, no. We 167 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.279 ' re asking for reopenings, research and you do things the way it should 168 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.600 be. If there are certain guidelines to be followed. Right is a science. 169 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.960 It' s not for anyone who thinks we should do it or not. 170 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.279 It' s not optional, it' s not to see if you 171 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.759 want to advance or generate peace. Peace is created when you respect the person 172 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.480 next to you, when you stop respecting it, you break into that legislation 173 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:48.000 and deserve to be judged and pointed out. Don' t tell me you 174 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.639 don' t have the same feeling as I do the day I' m 175 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.000 in trouble, this woman is the one who has to defend me, because 176 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.600 she has everything very clear. Hey anapatiria and you mentioned it as a little 177 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.519 pass, a little while ago you defended him. Yeah, what' s 178 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.759 that. Legitimate ephes is a right that we all and all citizens in the 179 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:11.200 country have to repel a real aggression in the present tense that means if I 180 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.519 am attacked, I have the right to attack you, even to take your 181 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.159 life for why. Because it' s a right, because it' s 182 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.159 a behavior that' s obviously going to hurt someone else. But your life 183 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.159 can' t be less valuable than facing it. So, when there is 184 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.639 a situation and current, that is to say that it is happening at this 185 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:33.279 real moment, that you are not imagining it imminent, that you have no 186 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.360 other way of reacting. You can defend yourself with anything. Very recently we 187 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.440 had the opportunity to reform the law with the Vos Foundation by humanizing justice to 188 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.919 article fifteen sixteen of the Criminal Code, which establishes who has the right, 189 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.799 under what circumstances you have the right to defend yourself. And this is to 190 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.559 add the context of gender and gender perspective, that is, whatever defensive reaction 191 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:01.879 you have, which is derived from a gender- based ring, must be 192 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:09.480 de facto accredited. Self- defence must not be questioned for a minute. 193 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.679 And the other article talks about the excess that means you attack me with a 194 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.240 knife and I pull out a bazooka. That is an excess in self- 195 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.320 defence. But when we talk about gender- based crimes, there can be 196 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:28.120 no excess in this self- defense, because I in fact can and besides 197 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:33.879 from the beginning there is a physical difference, of physical strength, then I 198 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.559 cannot be thinking until what moment I am going to stop being in danger, 199 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.320 as we see the case of a fifteen- year- old girl who was 200 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:46.039 raped on the street, or as the case of Jakiri Rubio, in the 201 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:46.679 book that I had the opportunity to write, which are called self- defense. 202 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.759 They' re just talking about it, because I have a bucket and 203 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.679 I take someone else' s life when I' m being sexually assaulted, 204 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.080 because a rape isn' t so clear, because if you get it, 205 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:05.960 surely it' s not enough to think that if you' re objectivizing in 206 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.279 that way, because the next thing might be that you take your life. 207 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.639 Then we had the opportunity to reform the law and it was reformed. Yeah. 208 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.840 He' s in that process right now, but yes, it' 209 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.639 s over. And good to tell people to report on self- defence. 210 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.240 We' re not without defenses. We have a right to react to nothing 211 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.240 that he sees you' ve asked your uncle for help and why you yelled 212 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.919 at the neighbor. You can' t defend yourself, you can react in 213 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.480 a second and save your life or that of your child or a neighbor, 214 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:37.879 because it can be your own or another' s good. That' s 215 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:43.480 what the law says or that I can' t intervene by defending a person 216 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.879 they' re attacking or knowing. That' s right, yeah, it 217 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:56.240 ' s wow. I don' t know if violence is like pregnancy. 218 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.679 You' re pregnant or not. You' re pregnant. Or there is 219 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:03.039 little violence, much violence, types of violence, how, how this is 220 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.600 handled in the good law You more than anyone else. I know that there 221 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:11.799 are levels of violence, but in legal matters, within the crime of family 222 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:17.679 violence, there are different areas, family violence, emotional psycho violence, which 223 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:21.360 we already talked about, this self- perception and so on, not physical 224 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.759 violence, which is beyond saying it, but yes, it is good to 225 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:29.879 explain that not only physical violence attends to blows. It' s also subjection, 226 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.240 submission, or something that will hurt you, hit you. That too 227 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:38.240 constitutes physical violence. Many times you tell a victim has suffered this kind of 228 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.879 good. It' s not like I' m getting embarrassed once. Ah 229 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.159 then if you have suffered that is also if it is also one is that 230 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.360 it made me like this, it held me by the arms. Oh, 231 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.519 well, that' s it then, too. Also the aggressors think twice 232 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:55.279 and women must not beat men either. I mean, there' s no 233 00:16:55.519 --> 00:17:00.399 way anyone touches anyone. Then there is economic violence. This is the type 234 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.279 of the Mexican machirulo, that is, you lock the key for it to 235 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.079 placate. Right now, you' re going to see the pension, I 236 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:07.839 ' ll lock it up and see if you don' t scrub. No. 237 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:08.319 Don' t you? Don' t you? Don' t you? 238 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:08.640 Don' t you? Don' t you? Don' t you? 239 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:15.640 It' s a crime. Any control for the economic perception of the 240 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.440 dependent within the family is a crime and is called violent, that is, 241 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.319 if I know I have to give you a ten pesos pension and today I 242 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.400 give you three and tomorrow two and spend one to tar all the time being 243 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.240 controlling you and you have to be begging me. That generates an affectation and 244 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.640 that' s also a crime. Let' s see. Let me ask 245 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.319 you a question there, when the couple doesn' t know why the other 246 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.400 doesn' t want to tell them how much authority gains. Non- economic 247 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:49.480 violence depends if you later discover that they are selling or working overtime with horrible 248 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.480 pressure, because there is no economy within the home. But then you realize 249 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.720 that one of the two sides had a way of living a more relaxed life. 250 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:02.400 Then yes, because you created those conditions already. But there is another 251 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:08.039 violence called patrimonial violence. This means the retention, or the one that breaks. 252 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:17.519 You come and come furniture, your cell phone, they take away your 253 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:23.960 car, documents this many things that belong to your belonging and limit them to 254 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:29.440 you so that for them it becomes patrimonial violence. Then there' s sexual 255 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.640 violence. And we' re not just talking about rape. Sexual violence has 256 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.799 to do with this conditioning, the spacing of the and the way in which 257 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:44.799 you conceive your sexual life as a partner every time, every form, and 258 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.000 so on. This can also constitute sexual violence and violence against reproductive rights. 259 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.640 How many children you want to have the space between each other, I mean, 260 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:57.680 you' re not here to give birth to anyone, yes, then 261 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:00.759 no. I am going to go into an issue that is fundamental to me, 262 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.160 the right to abortion, and it is not questionable by any religion. 263 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:07.000 We don' t talk about religions here, we talk about people. That 264 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:14.319 ' s right, we' re talking about being a therapeutic and scientific environment, 265 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:15.400 so let' s go. I don' t need anyone' s 266 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.319 permission to make decisions about my body, and that means having children or not. 267 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.079 For example, how many men do not know that removing the condom in 268 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:30.680 the middle of a sexual relationship constitutes rape. Why? Because your consent to 269 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.599 have sex with this person was through a situation that was to have a condom, 270 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.880 since if during the act he takes it away because so you do, 271 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:42.599 there he likes these stupid things that you say I don' t feel the 272 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:45.680 same. Well, I don' t care. You' re not the 273 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.480 focus of attention at this event. There' s two of them. This 274 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:52.599 of course is a violation, because maybe otherwise you wouldn' t have made 275 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:59.799 the decision or you wouldn' t have given your consent to this relationship or 276 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.359 wills situation and your consent is altered. Obviously, there is no common agreement 277 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:07.279 between the parties to stop how much we do not know about the law. 278 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:15.880 We are back talking to Ana Katyria Suárez, a criminal lawyer, for those 279 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:23.160 who are barely joining the program talking about violence and inevitably we need to talk 280 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:29.160 about the violence that, therefore, happens to children when there is domestic violence. 281 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:33.440 Yes, first of all, let everyone know that there is a specialized 282 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:34.880 prosecutor' s office, which is the prosecutor' s office for children and 283 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:40.279 adolescents. Then all crimes that may be committed in the name of young children 284 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:45.039 until adolescence, he said, until before the age of eighteen, are investigated. 285 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:49.480 There is what we can find there parental interference, or that we talk 286 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:55.559 about this manipulation of a father or a mother to the detriment of the children 287 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:57.319 so that they see the other side badly. No, this is a terrible 288 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.400 damage they do and I don' t talk about men or women. It 289 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:07.680 ' s a terrible thing they do with children because they get out and very 290 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:08.680 hurt and it' s very difficult for them to come back to their lives. 291 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:14.519 And the violence parents and mothers understand. That this is my son and 292 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.319 I have a right. No, no, no, ladies and gentlemen, 293 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:22.640 the right to father and mother belongs to the girls, not to the parents. 294 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.480 If the kid doesn' t want to see his mom or doesn' 295 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:27.680 t want to see his dad, he doesn' t see it. It 296 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:33.680 is a right that you have to be embraced by this first love or this 297 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.599 first bond. But children are not the object of passing it. For this 298 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.119 reason minors, boys and girls, also belong to the same vulnerable community as 299 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.519 women, because they are objectivized and used as a currency of exchange. Or, 300 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.480 uh, well, I can hit him no, because that' s 301 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.319 how they raised me, yes, but they raped you. It doesn' 302 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:53.960 t mean you have to go rape, because that' s so typical. 303 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:57.880 He doesn' t have a lot of abuse on the part of dad, 304 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:04.440 uncle, grandfather, sometimes also through women. It is much less the range 305 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:08.240 of possibility, but it also exists and this issue is that he was raped 306 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.920 as a child and the lady too and is not violating at the right hand 307 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:18.359 and sinister. It is not very important to realize when children have a change 308 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.359 in their attitude, in their privacy, when they are not being respected, 309 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.359 children change. It can' t be that you don' t realize if 310 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.640 one, on a working date, can realize that there is something unusual in 311 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:34.920 the look of a little girl, of a baby, because of course you 312 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:41.240 can see it, as a mom, but well you can denounce the man 313 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:44.799 and representation of your children, the father or the mother, either for the 314 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.599 non- fulfilment of food obligations, for physical, psycho, emotional, sexual 315 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.240 violence, You as before the age of eighteen. You can report your daughter 316 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.559 ' s father or mother for the harm you consider to be being done to 317 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:03.640 her, which they cannot educate with beatings or humiliations. That seems to me 318 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:08.440 retrograde archaic gross of people, because Ruin not despite a child and illegal to 319 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:14.640 regenerate half a year is the way you go Ruin to hurt the soul of 320 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.319 an i. Well, a subject we can' t leave before I' 321 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.720 m going to discriminate against you. How do you understand that? How do 322 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.359 you understand? Base? Discrimination is also a crime that people know is not 323 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:32.839 that you behave badly. You' re not a criminal, just like the 324 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:37.319 chapo, just the one who discriminates or turns around or does those things, 325 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:41.839 but you' re just as mean and. It is that difference or a 326 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:48.240 differentiated treatment by reason of religion, sex, gender, cultural identification, this 327 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.640 worldview, etc. Not then, this is what we were talking about right 328 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:57.799 now, chayo of Mexican education, whether he' s going to study someone 329 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:03.200 who' s your brother, because this family is the tallest, go ahead 330 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.240 or get up to serve the lord. That is discriminatory conduct. You don 331 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:11.079 ' t have roles in life. There' s no such thing as that. 332 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.880 Femininity is a logical construction of the human being. It' s not 333 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.880 natural, okay everything that' s natural, that is, we both have 334 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:26.519 hands feet. We are able to develop ourselves in every context, equally within 335 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.759 universities, schools, within your own home, you may be living through discrimination, 336 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:36.480 regardless of whether living this inside the home is a crime of family violence. 337 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.440 There is also a criminal type of discrimination. Criminal type means a behavior 338 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.480 described in the law, like stealing the one who takes over. That' 339 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.920 s the way it is That' s the kind of penalty. So I 340 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.480 recommend that in order to live a life free from violence and much freer in 341 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:57.680 general, we have basic knowledge of what we have a right to, who 342 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.920 we can turn to. How many institutions for the protection of justice exist in 343 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.799 the country that do not make them known to us through public policies, when 344 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:08.680 it is the obligation of the State, because they prefer not to do so 345 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:11.039 so that we do not raise our voice. But if it is up to 346 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.960 us to educate ourselves, we may not be able to solve violence in the 347 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:21.839 streets, but we can defend ourselves in front of institutions, in front of 348 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.119 our own family and others. Eh, like the conapred or Copred that is 349 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.839 this Commission, not and that defends the people that have been violated by any 350 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:33.400 difference that exists the LGBT community vehicumas in the foundation also, because, obviously, 351 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.480 we embrace all the vulnerable communities and original communities, eh elderly people that 352 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:44.839 any eh person who is in a circumstance of difference vis-à- vis 353 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.799 society. That' s where we have to turn around. You don' 354 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.799 t have to feel more comfortable about being in a more comfortable situation than in 355 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:59.200 doubt. We' re definitely coming back to get all the foundation data and 356 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:08.279 all the data from this lawyer we' ve had today. Well, we 357 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:14.759 ' re out of the program like water. I want to thank you infinitely 358 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.720 for coming. Thank you It' s your house. Let' s hope 359 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.599 this is one of many, because there are so many legal issues we need 360 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.480 to know to know how to handle ourselves. So they repeat the data to 361 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:33.599 Nakatiria on Twitter, to Nakati as an Instagram lawyer, to Nakatria Suárez on 362 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.559 Facebook. Voices humanizing justice on Instagram and Facebook. Perfect, yeah, well, 363 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:42.039 we' re gonna put all that together with the podcast in a couple 364 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:48.279 of days, as you know, on social media so they have access to 365 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:49.880 all that. The truth is, it' s been a pleasure to me. 366 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:55.720 You' ve uncovered a lot of doubts for me and I' m 367 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.559 saying it on purpose, you' ve uncovered a lot of doubts from the 368 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.200 doubts you' ve solved for me today. Then make him. Yeah, 369 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.480 yeah. I think it' s very important to do this. Thank you 370 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.519 again, thank you. Yes, of course, and good to invite all 371 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:14.559 the people. On the 27th of July we will organize a concert called Voices 372 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:21.079 of Resistance, which in order to advance we must resist. We are therefore 373 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:27.559 accompanied by chavas, feminists, music, Tania Matus, Valeria Hasso, Bella 374 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:33.759 Solé, etcetera. We organized it voices humanizing justice, along with fen by 375 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:40.960 fem Pandilla Violeta Feminist Crianza. Remember that if we join there is no one 376 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:48.000 to stop us Also with us, the artist Greta Ella and a surprise guest 377 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.279 is in the auditorium black Berry and the sale of tickets opens the next week 378 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:57.039 so that they are very close. Twenty- seventh of July this year. 379 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:02.279 Evidently, through social networks. Andra from on social networks does perfectly. Oh, 380 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:07.359 thank you very much. Of course we will and here we will be 381 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.480 notifying you so that you do not forget, because it is the 27th of 382 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:15.720 July. But I' m in charge of remembering rules here. Thank you, 383 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.240 thank you very much. Thank you all. We' ll hear each 384 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.000 other tomorrow at 1: 00. Here again I am chayo busquets. This 385 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.799 was chayo with you until then. Thank you. Audio Cente