WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:10.119 Late in nineteen thirty four, I somewhat reluctantly started again as a psychotherapist to 2 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:16.399 my former patient, the diminutive corporal, who was now the Fureur of Germany, 3 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:21.760 a man who had been responsible earlier in the year for the brutal murderer 4 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:28.920 perhaps hundreds of his perceived enemies and political rivals in the infamous event known as 5 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:35.079 the Night of the Long Nights. I was now playing Daniel to his nebuchanessur, 6 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:42.079 listening as he recounted his dreams and I delved into his psyche. He 7 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:49.600 was particularly concerned with providence, ancient mythology, distantly, and fate, but 8 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:55.679 in our early sessions I sought to hear more of his developing years. He 9 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:00.840 was unwilling to come to my own consulting rooms, but I did manage to 10 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:06.439 persuade him that our therapy discussion should be in a more secluded, intimate and 11 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:15.599 dedicated setting than in his chancellery office, somewhere more conductive to uninterrupted relaxation. 12 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:22.359 As our form of patient therapist bond re kindle. He became more willing to 13 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:29.079 accept my questions, though in truth I was more interested in the attitudes induced 14 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:37.079 by them than in his actual spoken words. His reactions were sometimes violent outburst, 15 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:42.799 sometimes secretive and evasive. I knew how many people he'd killed who displeased 16 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:49.400 him. I knew that demanding Icees as his therapist would displease him. Our 17 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:57.840 sessions were a ti trope walk on a race of wire. You remember once 18 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:02.640 years ago, Adolf, ut, only of an unhappy time in your childhood. 19 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:09.240 Ma, Yeah, about my father's ducks. That's it. But do 20 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:15.800 you recall any more happy times while you were a child grown up? No? 21 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:20.960 Except when my brother Edmund was alive. We were happy together. He 22 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.719 was younger than I, but he cut nieces and died in nineteen hundred. 23 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:31.080 It was only six, I was ten. That would that would have made 24 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:37.840 you very sad. So what happened after that? I used to go and 25 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:43.319 sit on the cemetery wall and look at the stars and to try and see 26 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:49.599 Edmund again. Do you believe we all have our own star in the sky? 27 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:55.240 Doctor? Well, there are many ancient myths and legends about the stars, 28 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:00.240 or anything might be possible. After my brother died, I had a 29 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:05.759 bad time. We used to protect and comfort each other from our father's anger, 30 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.120 and after Edmund died. My father was worse with me, and I 31 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:14.599 stopped being so good at school. That would have made your father even more 32 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:19.599 angry. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing I enjoyed studying was history on 33 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.039 art. I wanted to become an artist. My father tried to beat that 34 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.719 idea out of me, but the harder he tried, the more resilient I 35 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.639 became. He wanted me to become a civil servant. Did your mother approve 36 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:38.479 of your interest in art and music? I pass in the church choir and 37 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:45.919 she was quiet and loving. What could never stand opposed to him her husband. 38 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.960 I loved her. She was loving to me. But my father was 39 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:57.560 unlovable. I was glad when he died suddenly in nineteen or three, when 40 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.960 you were fourteen, I was still thirty. You didn't love your father that 41 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:08.439 he was a brute. He never loved anybody. Nobody ever loved him. 42 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.080 Then there was only my sister Paula and me, but she was very young, 43 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.680 only six, So my mother and I were very close. Here, 44 00:04:15.839 --> 00:04:20.639 I added to my notes, edith Us Triumphant. She had only my father's 45 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:25.560 pension, so she had to sell up and we had to move to a 46 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:30.759 smaller residence. Times were hard done, not so bad. The three of 47 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:36.519 us were happier without him. My father had two other children, Aloi and 48 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:41.000 Angela, but they were much older, and though they lived with us when 49 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:44.759 my father was alive, they did not come with us after he died. 50 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.199 You're being very forthcoming, hate off and that's good. Now. How did 51 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:56.439 life go after your father died? Good? At first? Mother let me 52 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:01.040 change schools. But after a while I and went to Vienna to study art, 53 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.319 and the mother got sick, and he would turn her home to look 54 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:13.120 after. You must have been disappointed at having to interrupt your studies. You 55 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.600 should. She'd found a lump, you know, in one of her breasts, 56 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:24.279 yeah, cancer, and the damned doctor instructed me to tell her she 57 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.360 needed surgery. I was seventeen. Paula was too young to know anything. 58 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.519 And how did that goal? And awful? She had wounds, terrible stinking 59 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:36.439 wounds that never healed. I got a local woman to come in and help 60 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:44.279 me with them. She had awful pain, distressing for her and for her 61 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.120 children. You and Paula. That best. The doctor said he could do 62 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:51.120 nothing further, he stopped coming. We couldn't pay him. He still should 63 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:57.439 have offered your mother medication. He left a small bottle of tincture of opium. 64 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.319 I wanted to put her out of her misery. For an animal, 65 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.439 you would have shot it, appoistoned it, but I didn't. Do you 66 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:13.360 regret that my mother was suffering. She deserved release. Indeed she did, 67 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.759 but she had to linger for a year until she died in nineteen or seven, 68 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.439 just before Christmas. That was our Christmas present that year, Paula and 69 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:24.160 me. The loss of your mother must have been very hard to bear, 70 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.839 Yes and no, for the reasons I told you. Her biggest pension was 71 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.839 allocated to us, but I signed my share to Paula and went to Vienna. 72 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:38.160 She spent the rest of her childhood with some relative or the other. 73 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.759 I had no interest in any of them except Paula. But I couldn't keep 74 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:48.560 it with me. And how did you fare in Vienna? After mother's death, 75 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:54.879 I grieved for a long time. I was destitute and homeless. I 76 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:59.639 tried to get into the Fine Arts Institute, but they rejected me twice. 77 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:04.279 They suggested I tried for architecture, but they failed me too because I hadn't 78 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:12.120 finished maths at school. And after that I lived frugally and became vegetarian. 79 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:16.199 I couldn't afford meat, and then I went off it. I lived in 80 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:21.279 shelters, tried to sell my drawings to tourists as postcards. I spent a 81 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:26.360 lot of time at the library. I was warm, indivdu and I enjoyed 82 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:32.079 beating European and military history. Whenever I had a couple of shippings, I'd 83 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:41.279 buy chocolate and cakes, a special treat. In your distress. I can 84 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:46.600 live on chocolate and pastries, my favorite food, those and eggs. Did 85 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.319 all your studying in the library help you? Yes? I came to despise 86 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:59.800 the remnants of Austria, Hungarianism and the Habsburgs. Germany was my true destiny. 87 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:05.279 Began to see that and to follow that dream. Austria was bastardized, 88 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:11.199 society impure. How old were you by then? In my early twenties, 89 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:18.399 around nineteen twelve, Yeah, that same year they wanted to constrict me into 90 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:24.040 the Austro Hungarian Army, but fortunately I managed to fail their medical board. 91 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.199 They said I was too small in height and phyzike if only they could measure 92 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.440 zego. He didn't want to be in the army. The food would have 93 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:39.720 been regular, not that army, and not their kind of food. I 94 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.759 moved them to Munich to get out of Austria and to follow my German destiny. 95 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:50.600 And then came nineteen fourteen, Yes, the glorious second of August, 96 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.840 when Germany mobilized for war. Enough, I have much to do. We 97 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.840 stopped for today. Doctor. As he rose, he glanced at me with 98 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.519 a twinkle in his eye. You remember you once told me you had difficulties 99 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:16.840 but women, Yes, are you still unmarried? Not the a serious relationship. 100 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.200 My relationship would till the florist when she was based in Berlin. We 101 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.200 would go to other concerts when she was free, and visit each other at 102 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:39.440 home. You hesitate. My work keeps me busy. If I do have 103 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:46.120 free time, I like to go to concerts alone invariably. Do you have 104 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:52.399 a favorite orchestra here in Berlin? Oh, there are several. They're all 105 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:58.879 good, the billion Philharmonic paps. How could he know? How could he 106 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:05.480 possibly know? Until the next then, and I've read this in mine Fuor. 107 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:13.879 I shuddered at the thought of how he had acquired this information Until next 108 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:33.399 time? Doctor, Thank you you forgot to castle. Your king is everything 109 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.360 all right? Oh, it's nothing really, just that I can get this 110 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:43.000 feeling I'm being watched. It's difficult in Burly in these days, their eyes 111 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.480 everywhere, we all feel it. But we're going to that fund raising concert 112 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.679 tomorrow. It's a concert house. Remember that should break in your spirit? 113 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.960 Are you right, my darling. I'm just getting too stressed with one of 114 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:05.039 my patients. This stressed shep his problem not Yes, you assume it's well, 115 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:11.279 isn't. Its a matter of fact? It is good. I shouldn't 116 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.039 like you to be getting so upset over another woman, even if she was 117 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:31.240 a patient. I'm glad to hear you say that we finished last time. 118 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:37.759 Madolf has Germany mobilized for war Ah the glorious second of August nineteen fourteen. 119 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:45.480 Yes, so then you did get into the Bavarian regiment. Oh, I 120 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.320 managed to get classified as tronomy. That was an exemplary social twice decorated. 121 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.960 But enough for that for a moment. Why is that you failed to answer 122 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.039 my question to you last time? And what was that concerning female relationship? 123 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:07.000 I explained my workload precluded. Um. Now, doctor, I understand you 124 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:13.360 have overcome your fear and avoidance our female companionship. Huh isn't that the truth? 125 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.840 And how would you know that? One would think you'd be proud, 126 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:26.200 not just any woman, but the beautiful violinist, the fouline Matilda man life. 127 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:35.720 Yes, I am proud, and I suppose you would like to continue 128 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:46.360 seeing her? I would good. I think you should. He let that 129 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.879 hang in the air, delighting in the implication that the choices of my personal 130 00:12:52.000 --> 00:13:00.799 life required his approval. Delighting more Perhaps that have flustered he'd made me to 131 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:05.080 continue doctor. Yes, yes, after your leg injury had some and then 132 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:11.720 your second injury when you were temporarily blinded at you pray in nineteen eighteen, 133 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:13.840 that was not an injury. It was a divine sign of my being chosen 134 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.519 by providence just before the traitress betrayed of the armistice by the Jews and the 135 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:24.240 Communists. So then you stayed on in the army. I was promoted as 136 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.559 an intelligence officer to work with the German Workers' Party, and that's how you 137 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.480 entered politics. Of course, they recognize my aratorical skills and my leadership quality. 138 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.440 That you were just a corporal during the war, you say, just 139 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:43.360 but those imbssiles in charge had not the wits to perceive my supreme abilities. 140 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.080 But I showed them. I'm still showing them, so I'll continue to do 141 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:52.159 so until they all understand. Quite so, you know you are skeptical. 142 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:56.240 I'm prepared to hear you tell me about it as we go forward in our 143 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:03.360 sessions. What an honor you forget yourself? Doctor, Perhaps you're a distracted 144 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:11.240 today. Let's continue. Let's continue. You enjoyed your time and the army 145 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.039 they were good years. The Truman spirit was alive and strong among the men 146 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:22.000 until they were betrayed. The soldiers and the people were angry. What was 147 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.879 needed then and now is for Trumany to rise again, to throw off the 148 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.039 shame and disaster. After Treaty of Versailles, we gain our nation strength, 149 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:35.600 cleanse it, and read ourselves after draws in our midst expand our territory to 150 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.879 give us room to grow pure and strong. We need Laban's town. So 151 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:46.440 your association with the Worker's Party was the beginning of your political interest. It 152 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.279 was to stop. But they were a disorganized bunch. They lacked a true 153 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.840 leader, but they could recognize one. So once I began to influence them 154 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:00.519 and organize our protection, your brown shirts the essay. We had to keep 155 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:07.360 order and dissuade subversive elements. But then I came up against serious opposition within 156 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.320 the organization, and what did you do? But only a man of my 157 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:18.639 stature and intelligence would do. I resigned and walked away. But I had 158 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.440 my spies to keep me informed. So what happened not The fools were in 159 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:28.600 such disarray that when I reappeared, they agreed implicitly to my terms, made 160 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:33.159 me chairman throughout the opposition. And then I turned that small group, the 161 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.519 German's Workers Party, into the National Socialist German Workers Party NASDAP that became the 162 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:43.080 Nazi Party. And then in nineteen twenty three we failed in an attempted arm 163 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.759 coudita. They put me in jail. I told you about it years ago 164 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.039 when we met in Munich. Oh yeah, yeah, where you wrote my 165 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:56.200 income. Once released, I was able to get back to my NASDAP work. 166 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.039 We started to run in elections. Our gains were small to start with, 167 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:04.840 but then came the depression. The economy collapsed, unemployment rose, a 168 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:11.519 hyperinflation, our numbers soared. We gained the support of businessman, the middle 169 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.960 class and the farmers, who were all terrified of the Communists, whose support 170 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:19.960 came from the unemployed industry of workers. By nineteen thirty two, we were 171 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:26.120 a major party. In January that year, President Hindenberg appointed me Chancellor head 172 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:32.320 of the government. Then four weeks later our opposition, the Communists, set 173 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:36.240 fire to the rex Start building. Are you sure it was the Communists? 174 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.759 Of course it was them. Who else could it have been? I was 175 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:47.039 calm, at least outwardly. Yet he was threatened by a simple question. 176 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.559 For all his power, he was still a little man. But it was 177 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:56.480 to our advantage because it allowed for stronger controlling measures to be and acted immediately. 178 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.840 The President made the reichstead Fire Decree, of which all civil liberties were 179 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.960 curtailed. We were able to arrest and in turn members of the Communist Party. 180 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:11.799 Then came the Enabling Act that gave me a chancellor total control of legislation 181 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:17.599 without reference to the Leichstag or the President. In effect Germany who was now 182 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:23.519 heading toward a dictatorship, with Hitler as dictator and the President a mere puppet. 183 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:30.359 What that made me, I didn't know a trifle of the king to 184 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:36.880 be discarded at his leisure. The Reichstag ceased to be able to provide any 185 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.079 opposition to the Nazi Party and as a one party state, and with the 186 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.960 aid of my public promotion officer Joseph Gobaz did show me people could be aligned 187 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:52.759 into one great force, all moving in the same direction under my leadership. 188 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.519 All I had to do then was to eliminate the subversive elements and traitors within 189 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:02.519 my own party and those among the party troopers. Essay, my own guard 190 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:04.920 the ass were given orders to do away with a list of my opponents. 191 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:12.559 The lining matter the night after long knives, dead men cannot trouble him. 192 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:21.960 A brutal and unlawful act. What amnster a small man had become? How 193 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:29.880 did that make you feel cleansed? Do you think it was right? Right? 194 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:37.279 It was necessary? And what was the general reaction? But fortunately Hindenberg 195 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.839 died within the month, and that's saved me a lot of time and trouble. 196 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.759 I abolished the office of president and declared myself here extreme leader of Germany. 197 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.519 No one was then in a position to challenge my authority. You were 198 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:59.440 more and more fortunate. No, do you still not understand it's my destiny? 199 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:06.960 It is preordained Megalomania is a mental illness that causes a person to think 200 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.359 they have great power and importance. In his case, he had always thought 201 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:18.079 that, and now the world had aligned with his beliefs. Imagine a schizophrenic 202 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:26.200 who who has delusions and hallucinations of a giant bird, and then the giant 203 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:32.720 bird appears in reality. What would he do next? Following year nineteen twenty 204 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:36.960 five, at our glorious Nuremberg, really, I proclaimed the Nuremberg Laws, 205 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:42.799 the laws that now defined those entitled charming citizenship by purity of race. He 206 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:56.000 was a child with a grenade, and he had pulled the pin. My 207 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:02.799 romance would till the floorist while each of us sued our professional careers. Then 208 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:07.160 came a time with the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra. I went on a tour and 209 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.559 one of the stops of their eye Tannery was my old home city of Stockholm, 210 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:18.759 and that provided a perfect opportunity for my parents to meet my sweetheart. 211 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:23.319 So I traveled back to Sweden for a few days. The concert was a 212 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:30.119 resounding success, and the visit to my family home not as much. I 213 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.519 loved meeting your family. All of it was the highlight of the hotel. 214 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:42.160 But your mother doesn't seem to approve of me. Check. My grandmother would 215 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:47.880 have been worse. She barely accepted my mother's position in the house. I 216 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:52.720 do love you. Check again. You saw her mother froze when you offered 217 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:59.279 my grandfather your condolences. She figured you had no place in doing such a 218 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.400 thing. My first meeting so old fashioned. Yes, and she practically had 219 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.920 a stroke when I wanted to go fishing with her. Men. Now you 220 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:12.640 have it, Edipus and his mother. Checkmate. Oh, I despair to 221 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:18.880 find topics that would not endanger my life as I continue to treat my singular 222 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:25.559 patient. Most men enjoy the company of women. It seemed unlikely to be 223 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:32.720 perceived as a threat by him. It alf Let's explore something else. You're 224 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:37.039 not married? Are you a man? If my status, my status cannot 225 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.599 afford to be married. Think of the position that they put me in, 226 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.240 just one woman beside me, when all of the femininity of Germany longs to 227 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:51.839 be in my embrace and mine alone. No, No, I'm unmarried. 228 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:57.640 Have you never been close to one woman besides my mother? Yes? I 229 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:06.039 prefer them to be young, young, on naive, not too serious like 230 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.519 your sister Paula. Perhaps I was uncle and guardianto my seventeen year old half 231 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:18.519 niece Gary Rouble. She stayed with me for a few years until the crazy 232 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.799 girl shot herself nineteen thirty one. She was twenty three. How did that 233 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.599 affect you? I was disappointed. You're very close. I kept her out 234 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:32.799 of trouble. She shot herself with my pistol. I even considered doing the 235 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.119 same thing myself. I was so distressed. You say you kept her out 236 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.319 of trouble in what respect? Was that? So she did not have to 237 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:49.559 encounter men and their sordid ways? Your relationship was platonic? Then? Are 238 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:56.200 you not aware of Cherner's doctrine that the man should remain celibate until twenty five 239 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.119 and abstained from meat and alcohol. No, oh, I have not heard 240 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:04.680 that. I have proposed to carry that directive further in my life. So 241 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:11.039 Scherner has been instrumental in your social and political evolution. Would you say he 242 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:18.000 impressed me greatly in my student days following the tragedy class, So you have 243 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:25.720 niece Gaily, you remain without female association apart from my photographic assistant and secretary. 244 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:30.480 If a Brown I met her in nineteen twenty nine. She was a 245 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:36.400 seventeen year old assistant to photographer Heinrich Hoffmann. Like the other one, she 246 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:41.359 was young, on naive, and after Gelly's suicide I saw more of ever, 247 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:47.160 and she's now my personal secretary. But she remains in the background. 248 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.759 She has nothing to add to Nazi business meetings. She's a loyal associate. 249 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:56.839 I believe so. The Cilly Goose also tried to suicide a couple of years 250 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.640 ago. Can you believe it? Short, I said, unsuccessfully in the 251 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.279 chest with her father's pistol. First, I'm purity to get me to take 252 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:08.839 her a more serious interest in her. She tried again with pills in nineteen 253 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:14.720 thirty five for the same reason. She's obviously more keen on a deeper relationship 254 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.720 than you are. As I have told you already, I cannot conceive of 255 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:23.480 any such relationship, not in my position as furer. My brain is not 256 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:32.200 within my breeches. Huh you talk much of women, doctor, Perhaps all 257 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.000 that time with the fowline man life and has begun to corrode your brain. 258 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:41.839 Perhaps you'd spend too much time with her. Are you teasing me? Am? 259 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:49.759 I do I require your permission to see her. Are you asking for 260 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:59.000 it? This is your session, not mine. I felt myself shake a 261 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:06.839 bit and came flushed through my body at my fear. One afternoon in nineteen 262 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:14.000 thirty eight, as social conditions in Germany continue to deteriorate rapidly, I received 263 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:18.839 a visitor. I'm not seeing new patients, sir, well, I'm not 264 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.960 seeing two women at the same time, but don't tell either of them about 265 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:30.680 it. With his hands on Italian features of dark complexions, perfectly sculptured, 266 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:36.480 strong Roman nose and chin, and a rich stach of shiny black hair, 267 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:41.400 the man looked more like a movie star than my average patient, and certainly 268 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.319 not German who likes doc. Let me tell you who I am or what 269 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.359 I want. I wish to discuss certain things with you that do not relate 270 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:56.319 to my psychological well being. All right, go on. I'm American, 271 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.799 obviously, but we're working in tandem with a branch of British intelligence, who, 272 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.279 it turns out, are well aware of the developing situation here under Nazi 273 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:08.240 Party rule, and who know of your work from their pal Professor Freud, 274 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.240 who now lives in exile in London. Is that a fact? Sure. 275 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:18.759 Is it's true the situation here gets worse day by day. Because I'm Swedish, 276 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:26.319 I have no reservations about continuing this consultation. Please go on, perfect. 277 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.960 We're aware that you treat a certain patient in whom we have a keen 278 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:34.480 interest. I'm not saying I do. You don't need to. Then we'd 279 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:40.400 like you to prepare a psychological profile for us so we can develop counterintuitive measures 280 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.920 in the event is wild actions lead to a declaration of war, as seems 281 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.079 to be the most likely outcome in plain English, Dock, the Americans and 282 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.480 the Brits want to know how we can beat him, and you probably know 283 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:59.359 him as well as anyone. I'm not sure how professional illegal it would be 284 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:03.599 for me to leading buster. The longer crazy horse is at large, the 285 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.720 worse for everyone. You'll kill you eventually, like he does everyone else who 286 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.039 hangs around him too long. You know that unless you do something about it, 287 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.160 we can set up another consultation in a few days that you over your 288 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:25.599 report. I haven't said yes. You haven't said no either. To know 289 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:32.319 your enemy, one must delve into his psyche. Professor Freud taught me that 290 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:40.640 I knew the choice I was making this could only end with one of us 291 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:49.400 dead. The Hitler File is a production of Voyage Media. 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