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It's time for coffee and Company,
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day. Now here's Nick Coffee Hour
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Coffee and Company fueled by Thornton's Nick
Coffee. That's me the company man,

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John Alton alongside today and let's just
get right into it. So tomorrow

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is the big day because well it's
the first big day. There's many big

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days coming up as Pat Kelsey will
have many visitors. So let's see here

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tomorrow. The biggest visitor in regards
to just you know name and you know

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potential impact is Jayden Acquaintance, who
again the number eight ranked player in the

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country. And I'm not really sure
if Louisville fans have much of I mean,

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I think clearly this would be huge
if they could get him. I

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don't know if they're I mean,
I guess they've got a chance, but

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it sounds like everybody still assumes that
Arkansas will be the school that he ends

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up at, and they've got resources. Money's clearly going to be a factor

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here. So I don't want to
get anybody's hopes of But you know,

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Pat Kelsey, I don't think there's
any pressure here, because you know,

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this wouldn't be a bad look on
him if he can't land the number eight

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player, who I'm sure he's had
no level of communication with until he became

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available, But will be huge,
no doubt. But if you could get

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if you could get a quaintance,
again, there's a lot of There's a

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whole lot that would come with that, right because without knowing at all what

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kind of an impact this guy would
have next year as a freshman, which

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if he's the guy that ever,
another thing that makes him unique is that

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because he's so young. He's sixteen
years old as of right now, so

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he actually would have to play not
two years in college, but he cannot

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enter the draft until twenty twenty six, So you know, maybe he would

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be a guy that'd be really good
for you in his second year, but

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in his first year he's kind of
a freshman cutting his teeth. But it's

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still an impact guy. The buzz, the brand boost, the notoriety that

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you would get from Pat Kelsey a
few weeks on the job. Landing a

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five star recruit who's a top ten
player that was committed to Kentucky like that

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would be massive, But as far
as just like knowing, and I guess

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you really never truly know. But
a guy that you feel more, I

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guess sure of that is going to
give you a lot of production right out

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of the gate. There's another guy
visiting who I believe his name is uh

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Baobakar Trey Orr. He's transferring from
Long Beach State, and they're both visiting.

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So you know, we've got six
y nine center freshman phenom, sixteen

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year old kid essentially in acquaintance.
But then Treyor, who is at Long

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Beach State. You know, he's
a guy that averaged twelve points, eight

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and a half rebounds, four and
a half assists, shot fifty two percent

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from the field. He's more of
a forward guy. I think he had

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three triple doubles during his most recent
season at Long Beach State. So he's

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visiting as well, and like,
that's a guy that honestly would probably give

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you more production in year one.
But I think people would much more prefer

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getting the shiny five star recruit because
they know what it would do for and

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people care about that stuff, right, Perception is reality. If Pat Kelsey

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is believed to be a guy that
you know right out of the Gate is

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crushing it at this higher level when
it comes to recruiting. That can only

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help him. That didn't mean he's
going to get every player, but like

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I get it. And for those
thinking, like, what are you talking

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about a transfer from Long Beach State
who averaged thirteen points a game? You'd

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rather have that guy than a five
star top ten player will, haven't we

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learned that, like, not all
of these guys are I mean able to

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give you a big boost right out
of the gate. Now, maybe with

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good coaching and early development, they
can be impact guys to an extent and

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with a quaintance. It's just different
because he's going to probably play two years

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in college, so you know,
it's not if he's not great for you

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in year one, you would hope
that by year two he could be.

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You know, I mean, this
is a guy that, in all honesty,

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I would be willing to bet if
there's a twenty twenty six mock draft

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out there, which I don't know
if there is, I'm sure there is

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somewhere, Like he's probably towards the
top, so you know, any both

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of these guys would be huge.
I would take both of them, and

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I'm going to be just as excited
regardless, because I think both those guys

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can really play. So those are
two guys that are visiting tomorrow, and

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I think Louisville's in really good shape
with Trey or from Long Beach State with

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Quaintance. I just have a hard
time thinking that he won't visit other schools,

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and I just I'd still say that
your the best bet is that it's

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going to be Arkansas who lands him. But we'll see. Pat Kelsey's going

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to get a chance to sell.
And I think we learned the day we

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met this guy, you know theoretically
that he can sell. And I don't

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know if this is going to happen
or not. But the Boogie Flann recruitment,

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so I talked about at the beginning
of the show for those who missed

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it, Boogie Flann decommitted from Kentucky, was let out of his letter of

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intent, and he said he's starting
completely over he and I don't know if

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he means that, if he just
wants to hear. In fact, I

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do feel comfortable in saying that by
him saying that, I'm sure he has

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an idea of which schools he's really
going to consider and which schools he's really

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interested in. But by him saying
he's starting all over is a chance for

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him to see who's got a lot
of money. In fact, I'm pretty

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sure they're shopping him for like one
million dollars as a freshman, which I

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mean if Trey or not Trey or
I'm sorry, Bala that's his name right

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for Indiana. Yep. The asking
price for him was believed to be one

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point two million. Apparently Indiana got
him for eight hundred k. I mean,

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if you're getting that guy who is
two time All Pac twelve first team,

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I mean, just a walking double
double, you're not getting booge.

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And by the way, Boogie Flann
is a four star in one service.

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And I'd love Boogie Flann because he's
a really dynamic guard who a lot of

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people think will play in the NBA
someday. You know, streaky shooter,

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but a good point guard that can
you know, make plays create he I

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mean, I guess somebody. I
mean, he's worth that if somebody will

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give it to him. But this
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I just to me as much as
I understand, it's not really my business

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what these players make. It's nobody's
business. I just wish we had a

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feel because when you hear of a
player, because I was asked by two

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different people who cover recruiting today,
like, hey, Boogie Flann his his

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uh and trust me, they're they're
not asking me because they think I know

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anything about recruiting. But Boogie Flann's
you know, people agency whatever. I

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don't know if it's if it's his
handler's parents, whoever. They want a

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million for him, and they're asking
me, do you think Louisville could pay

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that. I have no clue.
I have no clue, and I think

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they will pay to get players,
but I don't. I just can't imagine

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anybody would give him a million dollars. But again, what do I know,

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right, you know, no clue. So if he visited, that

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would be great, and I don't
know if he will. And by the

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way, I guess that probably was
something I should have mentioned earlier. There's

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a belief that he may visit either
tomorrow or Friday. Don't know if that's

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for sure going to happen, but
we'll see. And then the other visitors

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they get here Friday. Boopy Miller
from wake Forest, a really productive guard

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that was one of wake Forest had
a really balanced attack this year, but

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he was part of that. I
think they had like four guys averaging around

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fifteen points a game. He was
one of them. So he's going to

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visit. And then the other visitor
Corin Johnson from Washington, So I was

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not real familiar with him until the
last few days. I don't know of

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a connection. I don't really know
what has led to this. But everybody

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who does the predictions, the Crystal
Balls or the Rivals Cast, I don't

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know if I'm missing any of the
other branded predictions that they use at these

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recruiting services, but there's people that
believe he will be He's going to commit

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to Louisville. So he was a
freshman last year, I'm sorry he will

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be a junior this upcoming year.
Averaged about seven points a game in twenty

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minutes per game as a as a
as a true freshman, and this past

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year as a sophomore, averaged eleven
points. Shot right around right around forty

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percent from three. He's a six
to two guard and only played twenty four

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minutes per game, which is you
know, that's playing time. He's not

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somebody buried on the depth chart.
But that's a pretty productive stat line for

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those minutes. So again, he
will visit on Friday, and those that

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are making predictions on commitments are predicting
that he will end up coming the Louisville.

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We'll see and then the others or
the other I should say, on

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Saturday, Trey Townsend will visit.
Anybody remember that name. Trey Townsend's a

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ringing a bell for anybody? Is
that Oakland? That's Oakland. So it

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was Goldkey who got all the love
and deservedly, so I mean we're talking

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about it. I mean I'll remember
Goldky forever. In fact, like that'd

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be a good like they might be
my fantasy football team name next year,

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Goldkie forever. You like that.
It's costs creative, right, But he

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he's he was Oakland's best player,
not even close. Golkie, if you

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remember, came off the bench and
you know it was a D two transfer

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and really didn't do a whole lot. I mean, he was a good

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shooter, decent player, but you
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in college was when he was on
the biggest stage, which is just crazy.

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But Trey Townsend was Oakland's best player, averaged about eighteen points eight boards,

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three assists, you know, really
good player for that level. Cool

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story too, because he walked on
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better and ended up. I mean, he this is a guy who I'm

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pretty sure in four years he has
Yeah, so in four years, you

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know, he has scored eighteen hundred
points. So you know, will he

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average eighteen and eight in the ACC, I'm not sure, but maybe closer

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to I don't know, fourteen and
four and that'd be a good get.

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So he's going to visit. He's
gonna be visiting on Saturday. And from

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an understand, you know, there's
only like three schools that that are involved

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here and I don't know if let
me see here, and I don't know

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if there's any particular order as far
as people predicting which school has the best

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chance, which school has you know, the you know, the least likelihood

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of landing this guy. But yeah, so it's Arizona, Ohio State in

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Louisville. Those are the three schools
he's considering, and he's going to visit

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all three and he's visiting. He's
already visited Arizona. I'm sorry, he's

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visiting he's visiting Arizona yesterday and today, will visit Ohio State tomorrow and Friday,

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and then he'll be in Louisville on
Saturday and Sunday. So you know,

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sometimes these guys take some time to
make a decision, you know,

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sometimes they don't. So we shall
see. But it's going to get more

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and more exciting the more you start
landing these players. And look, some

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of them were not that familiar with
right, we don't you know, I'm

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sure you know. For example,
Corin Johnson at Washington, I have no

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problem admitting to you have no clue
who that guy was till he hit the

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portal and I figured out Louisville was
and you know, became clear that Louisville

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was interested. But that's kind of
what all this is now, Right,

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how many guys did you see during
the tournament and just during college basketball season

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this past year that you simply had
never heard of, and their key contributors

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for a good team and they played
at a school you never heard of the

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year before. And you can have
a really good team that is built with

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not a superstar guy that is viewed
to be this next level like lottery pick.

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I mean if you look at the
final four teams. NC State kind

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of a random way that they got
there, but they don't have anybody on

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their team going to the NBA.
And they've got a lot of transfers who

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you know, collectively put together that
made up a really good team. Alabama,

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I mean, I'm sure they have
guys with NBA upside, but you

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know, Grant Nelson, the transfer
from South Dakota State, I mean,

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he's probably their best prospect, the
white guy who played really well against Carolina.

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But you know, a lot of
the other players on that team good

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players. Clearly they were fun to
watch. I mean, Mark Sears was

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an All American guard. But like
you know, the days of looking at

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every team and and may you know, thinking that you have to see three

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future NBA guys on their team for
them to be a good team that could

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really make a run and have a
great season, that's just not the way

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it is anymore. And then Yukon, you know, clearly they're they're a

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monster. But it's I think that
was something that really stood out throughout the

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season and throughout their run is that
you know, Donovan Klingon, he'll get

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drafted and he'll probably be a productive
pro. But like, if he's not,

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I'm not going to be totally surprised. I think he's somebody that is,

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Like Yukon's guys are going to go
earlier in this draft because of how

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good their team played and because how
weak this draft is, all right,

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I mean Cam Spencer not a pro
Tristan Newton, not a pro Klingon.

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I think he's a pro Stefan Castle. I mean, that's a guy that

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was good for them, but you
know, he was not close to being

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like their best player, and he
was a guy that was a freshman last

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year. So the guys who really
made Yukon, in fact, I'll tell

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you who made Yukon a monster.
That's their coach, not any particular player,

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but the core of that team,
in my opinion, that really,

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you know, helped them separate themselves
from everybody else. Those are guys that

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are that have played college basketball for
a long time, and some of them

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have played at two different schools.
And if you get the right pieces,

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you could you could use that to
put together a really good that could compete

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at a high level. And what's
wild is that Louisville fans know that,

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and just because of how bad things
have been lately, I can't imagine there's

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going to be many additions to this
roster via the portal that we're going to

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act like is not a good thing. First of all, it's good just

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because you need bodies, you need
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as far as visitors, I mean, these are guys that I would take

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all of them. I mean,
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I think there's a few guards that
if one commits, the other might cancel

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a visit. But Kentucky fans,
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they went roughly fourteen years essentially that
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class, they were in trouble.
But here's the thing. They had one

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every year, but it was such
a crapshoot. Well, when you go

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and build a team with dudes that
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technically you still really don't know exactly
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of a risk. And one thing
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is that they could have a really
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be super high because you know,
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Kentucky's had teams that at times would
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would talk about, all they're young, they're not robots, they're kids.

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Like he would give you all those
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guess excuses essentially, but you always
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all of them, but nearly every
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young talent that if it ever clicked, like you knew you were in business

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to potentially win the whole thing,
even the team that lost to Oakland this

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year. So like, you're not
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know if you're gonna care or not. It may be weird initially, but

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I can't tell if Kentucky fans are
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caring at all about five stars.
They just won't pope to get guys that

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you know, love Kentucky and will
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be a better team, right,
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very unusual for Kentucky fans to see. But again, it's it's I think

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both programs with these new coaches are
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way things used to be compared to
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Which, by the way, this
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says Nick. Do you think Mark
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I have no clue. I'm sure
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white, but yeah, I think
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at BYU, and you know he's
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think that he or any of his
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players when he recruits them. But
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freshman, Colin Cowherd who transferred in
yesterday, Colin, Colin Chandler, uh

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and Jordan Jordan Burks, I mean
he's he's not white, So yeah,

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what I can tell on the text
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it's a pretty easy tell which fan, which team you're a fan of,

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within like a text or two.
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you're gonna have a very diverse roster, as you know most programs do.

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get a lot more to get into
a good a good text line. Uh

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so far today and I've not read
many of them, so we'll get to

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that as we as we roll along
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uh Javante or Avante Porter and his
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just where he was, you know, betting a lot of money, but

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he was clearly doing some shady stuff. We now know what that shady stuff

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was, and this is I mean, this is a understandably so this is

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a huge punishment that has been sent
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a lifetime ban from the league.
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the investigation confirms I think what a
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is that this isn't just a guy
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think he's got a clear gambling problem, but we'll get to that and a

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lot more. Don't go anywhere.
It's coffee and company. We are fel

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about Thornton's right here on Sports Talk
seven ninety so if you pay attention and

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listen during the commercial breaks. At
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the Fox Sports update, which is
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John tay Porter, the former NBA
player, has been banned from the league.

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I mean the I don't know if
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I haven't looked into to see if
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yeah, he's placed at least thirteen
bets on NBA games using an associate's account.

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According to their investigation, he bet
on the Raptors to lose in games

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that he played in. I mean, this is the this is I mean,

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this is the worst you could do
in regards to you know, if

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your bet, you shouldn't do it
because you know it's against the rules and

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it's just so stupid because you could
really just ruin your career, ruin your

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life like this guy did. But
if you are betting, but not betting

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on your team, you still shouldn't
do It's against the rules, and you're

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gonna have to suffer consequences if you
get caught doing it. But that is

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a totally different story than betting.
When you are playing in a game and

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you're betting on a team, even
if you're betting on a team that you

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play for and it's to win,
I can at least ride with that,

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you know, I mean you should. You shouldn't do it, but at

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least it's like you're trying to make
money in your you know, maybe you're

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gonna play harder than you even realized
you could because there's more money on the

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line. I mean, it's so
stupid, But betting on the team you're

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playing for to lose is the shadiest. I mean, it's it's it's it's

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it's stupid, it's shameful. No
team, but in the league. I

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mean, they've banned you for obvious
reasons, but like you have to like,

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I don't even know how you could
argue that that's not a just punishment.

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If you're John tay Porter, and
maybe he is accepting blown, I'm

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not seeing any kind of a statement. But uh, I mean, how

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could anybody ever trust you to be
on their team when you when that when

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those things were happening. So it's
probably more of an addiction than it is

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anything else. But still that's I
mean, you can gamble to fix or

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to you know, to get that
fixed for addiction of gambling and wagering,

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and it not beyond the NBA or
your team, you know. So I

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don't have any sympathy for this guy, because again, actions have consequences,

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and this was not a mistake.
This was something that he was well aware

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that you cannot do. It's like
the ultimate sin, and he did it,

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so he deserves the punishment, and
I don't feel sorry for him.

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But there is something about just a
really sad situation that I can still find,

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you know, some level of maybe
not sympathy, but it's just sad

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because we realize it's a sickness and
whether or not it's right or wrong,

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like I means still wrong, You
can feel sympathy for somebody if you can

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tell that there's something not completely right
there. Yeah, And I got to

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be honest with you, I anybody
that has an addiction that they cannot control

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that is awful. That's sad,
and that that's you know, I can't

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imagine I've been very fortunate to not
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Rather it befriend family that that has
struggled with a very serious addiction that

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you know, just ruins their life, and it can ruin yours too if

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it's somebody that that's close, that
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you know, again, and very
fortunate because you know, the area that

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I grew up in. I mean
that's I mean, it's it's a problem

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everywhere in America, but you know
where I'm from specifically, there's a lot

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of a lot of kids. They're
not kids now, but I mean people

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who graduated at the school that I
went to years after and even some before.

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a yearbook or something, or you
know, class reunion and realized that,

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you know, six seven people that
you went to school with they're dead because

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they they got caught up an addiction
and it got the best of them.

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So you know, that is that
is awful. But this is a guy

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that is twenty four years old and
he ruined his life by making such a

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stupid decision that he easily didn't have
to make. Now I say easyly,

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you know that's why I think if
it's truly a gambling addiction, I just

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think this is more just being a
dumb ass. But clearly you know he's

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he's addicted to gambling in some form
of fashion because you know, he did

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it a lot and he knew it
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Maybe it's ignorance. Either way, a

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twenty four year old guy who now
will only you know, if I would

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imagine, this is a guy from
a basketball family, right His brother Michael

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Porter is a star for the Denver
Nuggets. He was not as big of

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a recruit John Tey Porter, but
still a guy who ended up in the

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NBA has played professional basketball, you
know, since I think he was nineteen

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years old. He's twenty four years
old now, and now his career is

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over. He'll never play in the
NBA again. He won't play anywhere else

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either, and that's what he's always
going to be known for. The guy

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who got banned by the NBA for
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he played. That is going to
be what he's known for. Maybe he

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does a one to eighty and becomes
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and lets him know how stupid he
was and how much it can ruin his

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life, how much it ruined his
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and maybe that'll be the feel good
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but either way, like that is
what he is going to be known for.

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And there's no scenario that this kid
that basketball was not his life since

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he's since he can remember. I'm
sure, right, I mean, so

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it's unfortunate, but again, like
this is something that if you do what

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he's accused of doing per the league's
investigation, I mean, lifetime ban is

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is just and I don't know how. I don't know where it comes in

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where you could get arrested. I'm
not even really sure what the charges,

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but I know there's been other point
shaving scandals and maybe this isn't as much

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of a point shaving situation. I
really don't know what the bar is,

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but I mean, it wouldn't be
shocked if if he's going to face some

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kind of legal charge, because again, like that's like you can't do that.

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So his smallest bet was fifteen bucks, his largest bet was twenty two

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thousand. His total payout was seventy
six fifty nine dollars, So he won

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twenty two thousand dollars betting on the
NBA. And I'm sure some of those

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wagers depending upon what I mean.
If it was his prop bets, which

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of course raised red flags, then
that's cheating. And the investigation also found

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out that he also shared private injury
information to different gamblers. And how do

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you think he got caught up?
Like, how do you think it went

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wrong? My guess is my guess, you know, my guess is that

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what was supposed to be something Because
here's how some people operate. When you

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know you've got something great going for
you, like you've got a scheme,

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a scan, whatever it is,
and you feel like it's it's never gonna

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You're never gonna get caught, like
this is amazing. There's some people that

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just even though they know that the
most likely scenario for this to keep going

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on and it continued to be a
very beneficial situation for you, they need

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to shut the hell up and not
tell a soul. But some people can

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help themselves when they've got something so
great they want to tell others. So

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I'm just guessing here, But my
guess is that is why there ended up

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being a very suspicious or they just
got greedy. Maybe it was the same

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people betting and they got greedy and
bet too much money. But what raised

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attention to DraftKings, which of course
ended up sharing that information with the NBA,

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was that Johntay Porter, who a
guy most NBA fans don't even know

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who he is. I mean,
he was a G League guy forever,

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and then got a spot on the
Raptors roster this year. Earlier this season,

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and he had a handful of prop
bets and there was one prop bet

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where it was oh, the total
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made, so he just had to
not take a three And if you bet

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the under you win. Well that's
whatever. But either enough people bet that

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or there was enough money wager to
where it became the biggest NBA winner for

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DraftKings on that night for props.
So that's not a rant, like again

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we talked about yesterday, John,
There's no scenario that's a random coincidence.

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Yes, And I don't know if
if if you avoid that by maybe just

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doing small bets and not raising attention, or if it ended up where people

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couldn't keep their mouth shut, and
they wanted to tell others that they've got

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a guy, give it an info, and it gets around to enough people

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and they jump in and make the
wager and it all came crashing down.

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So unfortunate, but NBA had to
do it. And you know, I

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think even if he didn't bet on
his own team and he did bet on

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him to lose, I think a
lifetime band could have happened, and that

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would have been more of a Okay, we have to we have to,

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you know, we have to make
an example and let people know. You

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get caught doing this, you will
not play in this league ever again.

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But I think now knowing what he
did, it's not I mean, it

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is an example, I suppose,
but it's also what you have to do,

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Like you can't ever let that guy
back in the league. And unfortunately,

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I guess he could go play He
could go play basketball overseas and he

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could make money doing that if he's
good. But I mean, you can

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bet on games overseas. I mean, you know, I've done it before,

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which you know, I don't want
you to hear that and think that

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I'm you know, addicted to gambling
myself. But I ended up realizing I

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think it was last year the year
before. It was a year before.

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It wasn't legal yet, so I
guess he could have been last year the

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year before either way. But the
NBA TV shows some of these year league

407
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games, and I just really got
into it because it's really good basketball,

408
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.880
and you end up seeing a lot
of guys that you forgot that played in

409
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.079
the NBA briefly, or they were
stars in college. And I got to

410
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.440
watching that a little bit here and
there, and I decided to start betting

411
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.440
and didn't win, of course,
but the action's there, man. You

412
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.880
can you can. You can wager
on probably anything you want if you look

413
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hard enough. All Right, it's
Coffee and Company. We are feel about

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Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with us.

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My name is Nick Coffee the company
man. Mister John All on the alongside

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today. And let's go to the
text line, shall we? Five O

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two six five three zero seven ninety
That is the L and N Federal Credit

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Union text line this Texas, Nick, you think Patina I was gonna do

419
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.680
the same type of video for Peyton
seven Louisville that he did for Mark Pope

420
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.039
in Kentucky. He certainly should.
I don't think you're gonna see him do

421
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.079
that, and I'm you know,
I think it'd be awesome if he did.

422
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:17.920
And I'm sure Rick is very happy
for Peyton for being hired as the

423
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director of Alumni Relations player Development.
I believe that's the title, But I

424
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you know, I don't think you're
going to see him do the type of

425
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.160
video. And because what Rick is
doing now is I think genuinely just being

426
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.200
happy for Mark Pope because again,
and actually, let me back up a

427
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.960
second here, I don't know if
you're asking that like sincerely, or if

428
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:38.119
you're doing it kind of in a
snarky way to like, you know,

429
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.440
put him to the test to see
if he's gonna pick a side here?

430
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.240
Is he gonna only start showing love
to Kentucky now and not Louisville. But

431
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.480
that really bothered people what he said
about Mark Pope in Kentucky. And I

432
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.440
think I'll right the nil or all. If they need help with n IL,

433
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.160
I'll write the check. I think
that's probably the one that really really

434
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:04.079
bothered people. And I guess I
get it. That's your coach insinuating that

435
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:11.000
he's going to help the rival of
you know, Louisville potentially get players,

436
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.400
but he can't. He's not doing
that, like he can't do that.

437
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:15.839
I mean, it's not really that's
Rick. That's Rick being Rick. That's

438
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.279
Rick saying things that only Rick could
say. And like nobody, you know,

439
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.839
there's just a level of things to
Patino and call in my opinion,

440
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.400
can say that. You just take
it for what it's worth knowing who is

441
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:37.279
saying it. But also, Rick
Patino never talked badly about Kentucky. He

442
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.039
loved Kentucky. I think it was
very uncomfortable for him knowing that he was

443
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.240
at Louisville and Cali Perry was there
and he hated Cali Perry and Cala Perry

444
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.319
had a lot of success. And
I don't think Rick coached at Louisville wishing

445
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:48.759
he was still a Kentucky at that
time. Maybe he did, I don't

446
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:57.599
know. But again, we don't
humanize these figures like Rick Patino and the

447
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.799
hot you know, superstar larger than
life figures within the sports world, and

448
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.119
to be fair, they're not real
relatable. I mean, Rick Patino is

449
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:10.440
not relatable at all, but he's
a human, So what really put him

450
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.279
on the map as a rock star
in the basketball world was what he did

451
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:18.799
at Kentucky, and I just think
it would be unnatural for him to feel

452
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.400
a certain way. He didn't get
fired from Kentucky. He left, and

453
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:27.079
he wishes that he didn't, and
you know his issues with CALIPERI. I

454
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.319
don't think it had anything to do
with, you know, Kentucky itself.

455
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.839
So maybe it was Rick's arrogance that
like led to him never doing it.

456
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:38.359
But if you go back, I
don't think you'll find many instances where he

457
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.960
took like jabs or shots and really
played into the rivalry. The rivalry made

458
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:48.400
him uncomfortable and that showed. So
I wasn't expecting him to have the reaction

459
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:53.039
that he did with the full video
and just really you know, being so

460
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.920
happy for Kentucky and Mark Pope and
this and that. But once it happened,

461
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.480
I wasn't really that shocked. And
I'm glad you actually brought that up,

462
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.000
whoever texted that in, because you
know, Rick was fired here.

463
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.680
And I don't think he blames the
fans because clearly they didn't have any role

464
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.640
in it. And I think he
also understands that everybody that is at the

465
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.880
University of Louisville currently, as far
as those that are administrators, those that

466
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.920
make decisions, they weren't. They
weren't here when that happened. I think

467
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.960
Rick has even said it that he
publicly. I think it was an interview

468
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:32.480
with Seth Davis earlier this season he
mentioned David Grissom and I guess Matt Bevin,

469
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.079
I think you mentioned my name as
the two guys that were really conspiring

470
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:38.720
to get rid of him. He
used to mention Papa John a lot,

471
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:44.480
which Papa John wasn't a fan of
Rick. And you know, Papa John

472
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.079
wanted to fire Rick Patino and he
wanted to be the guy that like hired

473
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.839
the coach. That's what Papa John
thought he could do as somebody that you

474
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.559
know, gave a lot of money
to the school and Papa John. So

475
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.839
I don't know, I just I
I don't think you're I mean, if

476
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.480
Rick has to pick sides, I
don't even want to think about it.

477
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.880
But also I don't I don't have
the same emotion that others do. I'll

478
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.359
never not like Rick Bettino. I'm
not gonna again. I've said it many

479
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.880
times. I'm not gonna cheer for
Saint John's when IM buying Saint John's gear.

480
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.599
But I I if Rick is coaching
like he is now, I would

481
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.279
prefer him be good because I think
that's just still the natural emotion that I

482
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.880
have towards him. Now, you
know, he was to end up at

483
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:29.799
Kentucky. That had been weird,
but that was never gonna happen. But

484
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:34.039
despite Rick not blaming fans or current
administrators and understanding the fans still love him,

485
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.880
he still was fired in a situation
where he truly believes he was wronged,

486
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.279
and honestly he has a case because
what we now know is that,

487
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:52.400
like sounds crazy to say, I
sound like such a naive, you know,

488
00:33:52.480 --> 00:34:00.680
delusional person, But watching the documentary
on HBO that really profiled Christian Kristen

489
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:05.279
Dawkins, and knowing you know,
everything we learned from that and all the

490
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.599
other reporting on it, and how
big of a wasted time it was,

491
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.559
it just looked as if the FEDS
were you know, the District of New

492
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:14.639
York or whatever that bureau is up
there that wanted to get this whole thing

493
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.960
started. They just wanted to take
down Rick Patino, and there really was

494
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.360
no indication that he really you know, it sounds crazy to think that he

495
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.360
would think they could just get Brian
Bowen without anybody getting any money, that

496
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.159
kind of stuff, But like Christian
Dawkins, if you've ever seen it,

497
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.119
does a great job of making it
quite clear that, like he was telling

498
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.159
people, he knows Rick Patino lying
to make himself look more connected and involved.

499
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.000
Rick Patino's ego is so huge that
he wouldn't want you to ever know

500
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.920
that he knows who you are,
regardless of who you are, unless you're

501
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:52.199
somebody close to him. So he
still feels like he was railroaded. And

502
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.400
even if he didn't have any real
animosity towards fans and anybody in charge at

503
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.760
u of L, now it's still
a really in his mind, it's still

504
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:02.840
a real crappy situation that he's bitter
about. Now where his bitter is.

505
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.639
You know who was bitter Who he's
bitter towards. You know they're not around

506
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.320
anymore. But still, like that's
probably not something he's ever just going to

507
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:14.679
completely be okay with. So the
reason I mentioned that I was glad that

508
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.679
you texted that end because I saw
last night Richard Prittino did an interview where

509
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:23.039
he was asked about the Louisville situation
because there was contact made and they did

510
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.280
not offer him the job. He
mentioned that he was going that they that

511
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.239
they told him they were going to
hire Pat Kelsey. But also, you

512
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.119
know, he talked about his dad
in the communication that the two had whenever

513
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.239
it became clear that Richard might be
a candidate for the job. And this,

514
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:40.840
you know, I think this tells
you the way that this this is

515
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:46.079
I think an update for Louisville fans
on you know, how Corric Patino currently

516
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:51.760
feels about U of L. Louisville
reached out, that pulled out the heartstrange

517
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:52.719
a little bit, and it was
very unique in a lot of ways.

518
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:58.000
Fourteen fifteen years, right, sixteen
years, so I lived there for three

519
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.960
but you know, I was in
college, but you'd go back, so

520
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:05.679
it felt like home. But there
was also some challenging family dynamics of my

521
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.000
dad's not really excited about that.
For me right now, there's still some

522
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:13.599
you know, not happy with the
way that ended there, and I understand

523
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.000
that. So it wasn't like this
I'm dying for that job. That wasn't

524
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:21.000
it at all. And I wasn't
real disappointed when they say we're going to

525
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.320
go hire Pat Kelsey. There was
not one part of me that was down

526
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.360
about it. So he went on
to just talk about how Louisville was kind

527
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.079
of home for him because he was
there during his college years and when he

528
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:31.920
was coaching elsewhere and he came back
home, it was to Louisville. But

529
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:38.079
you know, I think that's understandable
from Rick Pertino's standpoint because as much as

530
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.519
you know, he had a lot
of support when things weren't going well because

531
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.599
they're they're let's be real, regardless
if you think it should have happened.

532
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.559
If it if it's anybody else that's
not a legendary coach like Rick Patino that

533
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:53.800
has the Karen Seipher thing play out
the way that it did, they're going

534
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.360
to get fired if anybody else is
the coach. When I mean and the

535
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.719
Minority Hall stuff happened, like one
of the things that I will just admit

536
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:10.159
I was totally just I guess blind
to nobody got fired, not one person

537
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:13.559
on the staff, not one.
I mean, Audrey McGee had already left,

538
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:19.840
but like nobody got fired, Like
nobody has made an example of and

539
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.159
even if there's an ounce of truth
to what she said, which there is,

540
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.840
I mean, it still is an
awful thing. So, like Rick,

541
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.199
I don't think he's the guy that
would look back and say, you

542
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.199
know what at the end. I
think that was a little premature. But

543
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:36.039
man, they had to because they'd
given me so many chances, and despite

544
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.480
it being embarrassing, they still stood
by me. That's not how his mind

545
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.840
operates. Man. All right,
kriek break, We'll come back on the

546
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.199
other side, wrap up the four
o'clock hour and keep it rolling along again.

547
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.559
It's coffee and company. Feel abou
Thorton's right here on Sports Talk seven

548
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.960
ninety. Very little time left here
in the four o'clock hour. Gonna be

549
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.559
a short segment, but hey,
it's okay. We got another hour to

550
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.000
go and we're gonna we're gonna make
it count. Fellas, listen up.

551
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.239
I'd say a lot of you listening, I don't know. Maybe maybe it's

552
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.400
a lot, maybe it's a little. There's at least some of you listening

553
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.719
that have heard me talk about the
Little Vin's Clinic for the last few months,

554
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:16.719
and you know that you fit exactly
what I'm describing. You get a

555
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.559
little bit older, but you're not
an old man, right your thirties,

556
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.800
maybe early forties, maybe you're younger
than that, and you just starting to

557
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:29.599
pick up some weight for really no
change. And when you're in your thirties,

558
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:34.199
you're probably like thinking, your metabolism
is not adjusting at that age.

559
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.960
It is what it is. So
if you're doing the same type of workouts,

560
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.519
same type of exercise, you know, watching what you eat as best

561
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.719
you can, but not doing any
kind of crazy diet, but you're just

562
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.079
starting to see some pudge pick up, you know, around your midsection,

563
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.039
man boobs, you're a lethargic,
you've lost your edge. You know,

564
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.920
you don't want to do anything but
just sit on the couch and you know,

565
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.760
pass out at seven thirty when you
get home. That's old age.

566
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.719
That's you probably losing testosterone, because
low T can cause all those things I

567
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.920
described and I never even thought of. And I didn't have all the symptoms,

568
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:12.679
but I had some, and I
just always said, well, it's

569
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.519
just because I'm getting older. You
know, thirty five's not twenty five.

570
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.360
And then you know, sure enough, I put in a really good amount

571
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.039
of you know, dedication to what
I was doing in the gym, what

572
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:29.840
I was eating, and I felt
pretty good about, you know, my

573
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:31.840
results, but I knew it just
didn't wasn't ad. Something wasn't adding up.

574
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.960
So that's when I got my levels
checked and I didn't know what to

575
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.960
expect, but I reached out to
the Men's Clinic, went and saw doctor

576
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.800
Wood. He explained to me sort
of what the symptoms are, and they

577
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.119
checked my blood and sure enough,
I got a call a few days later

578
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.440
that my testosterone level was not where
it needed to be for somebody my age.

579
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.840
In fact, it was probably closer
to the level that you would see

580
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.000
somebody twice my age. So for
months now I've been taking testosterone treatment from

581
00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:01.400
the lois of Men's Clinic and everything
about you know how I feel mentally physically,

582
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.960
I mean, it's it's been a
game changer. Should have done it

583
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.760
a long time ago. So quick
procrastinating. If you know that I'm talking

584
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:09.920
about, you, do something about
it. Reach out to him. Five

585
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:15.000
O two four four four four thousand
is the number. Louisvilleman's Clinic dot com

586
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.400
is the website. Tell him I
sent you go see doctor Wood to get

587
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.480
you squared away. All right?
One more hour to go. We'll reset

588
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:22.719
a lot for those of you that
are just now joining in on the party.

589
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.639
A lot of names we've discussed today
when it comes to transferred portal on

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00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:30.840
both sides, and we'll reset it, have some fun, mix it up.

591
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It's coffee and company, that's us. We are few about Thornton's right

592
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.159
here on Sports Talk seven ninety