The Dallas Cowboys have traded the twenty fourth pick to the Detroit Lions. With
the twenty fourth pick in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions
select Terry and Arnold's defensive Bagum, yeah, I can hear you. I'm
not hearing anything. I just hear you all right. Now. I got
myself, but I can't hear the music. Now I got it, Now,
I got it. It's the morning after the first round. It's not
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In the meantime, we will talk draft all morning long with you.
Whatever's on your mind. In the world of sports is a topic. But
I would guess most people will want to talk about draft picks, Lions draft
and other teams, for example New York Scott. I'm sure we'll call in
at some point to talk about, like neighbors, the Giants draft pick,
which I thought was dead on. I was sitting with a number of ex
Lions, one of them, Rob Rubik, will join us at seven point
thirty five. But I was sitting with Rob Rubik and George Jamison and Scott
Conover. We were kind of going over who we thought was going to go
where I'm sure you were doing the same thing with friends wherever it is you
may have been watching. I got the first six picks. I thought J.
C. Latham went to Tennessee at number seven. It doesn't surprise me
that they went offensive line. I actually was thinking that the Chargers might take
Latham six and forty two, huge hands. I thought that might have been
a draft pick anyway. So I missed on that, and obviously I missed
on Michael Pennock's. Others felt kind of the way I thought, although there
was a part of me that thought brock Bauers might go to the Jets.
But it was a good pick with Feshano out of penn State. We'll take
your phone calls at eight six, eight three, eight forty eight forty three.
There are a ton of a ton of draft records last night. For
example, it was the first time that six quarterbacks were taken in the first
twelve picks. The first fourteen players selected were offensive players. That's a new
record six quarterbacks taking in the first round ties a record. With the quarterback
class of nineteen eighty three, that's the Dan Marino, John Elway class,
Tony Easton, Todd Blackledge On and On Ken O'Brien. Twenty three first round
offensive players is a new record. The former record was nineteen. So that
tells you how offensively gifted they felt. This draft was number one and number
two. How desperate perhaps some teams were for trying to get offensive players.
So we've got a ton of things to break down for you, a ton
of things to let you know in case you didn't already know, and perhaps
you did because you were following along just like I was. This is the
second draft where all top ten picks were offensive. The other was twenty twenty
one, and then it obviously went on to fourteen, and it's the second
time ever with six quarterbacks in the first round. As we mentioned, it's
amazing. Fourteen first picks were defensive players. That's double the amount of the
previous record. Here's the other thing. There's a few things. When I
watched the draft coverage, it's really good. You know, depending on which
one you watch. NFL Network does a really good job. ESPN I think
does a really good job. It's kind of partial to NFL Network with some
of the insight that they give. I thought it was really good. The
interviews I thought on ESPN were very good. Holly McGrath did a really nice
job. So either way, I don't think you could go wrong. I
do like the nuggets, the informational nuggets given by NFL Network. I thought
a little bit more in tune with at least what I enjoy hearing about.
So we'll get to the NFL Draft for sure. Congratulations to the city of
Detroit early on. I get it, it's only the first round. They're
going to be there all weekend. But I thought like everything that Detroit had,
everything that was done, was top notch, first rate, and it
doesn't surprise me. It does not surprise me at all. Detroit has put
on some phenomenal events, the biggest events in the world sports wise, over
the years. They've had Super Bowls. Okay, now, one was at
Pontiac Silverdale a long long time ago, but the most recent one went off
without a hitch perfect. They've had All Star Games, okay, They've had
drafts, NBA Draft. They've had championship Series, Stanley Cup, NBA Finals.
Right, even if it's Auburn Hills, it doesn't matter. I mean,
it's still Metro Detroit, and you know the NBA comes in and takes
over. You still have to have hotels. I know it was a long
time ago, but still the point is they did it right. Grand Prixs,
Ryder Cups, Frozen fours, National Championships, very well done, excellent.
So the start was great, and I thought really important, and I
mean really important that you had good weather. That would have sucked for people
downtown in the entire area if the weather wasn't at least palatable. It wasn't
ideal. You'd love it to be a little bit warmer. But it was
great. So hats off to Detroit. At least in round one. I
would expect the same thing. Here's the one thing I wanted Detroit to do.
And it's not like I'm a fan of his, because I am not.
But everywhere Roger Goodell or any commissioner goes, they give booed. Even
Adam Silver gets booed in the NBA. I don't know what it is about
that position in sports, but everywhere where they go he gets booed. Roger
Goodell gets booted every draft. It would have been much different, much more
unique, if Detroit had actually cheered him. Now, maybe the NFL likes
it that way because it gives you something to talk about. I doubt it,
but I'll leave that open to discussion. I suppose I think I thought
it would been really cool had Detroit said, Hey, here comes Roger Dell.
Hey welcome, Big Midwest, Open, Big Midwest. Welcome. Now
not everybody is from Detroit. That's what made the selection. I think of
that city. Perfect driving distance to Chicago, driving distance from Indiana Indianapolis,
driving distance from Cincinnati and Cleveland and Pittsburgh. A lot of places where fans
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The Dallas Cowboys have traded the twenty fourth pick to the Detroit Lines.
With the twenty fourth pick in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, the Detroit
Lions select Terry and Arnold's defensive vagum. I would say most people, and
that's the audio from ESPN, I believe last night. I would say most
Lions fans, if not all hard to get a consensus, but most would
tell you they love this pick. Why do you love it? That's the
question. Welcome back, Exus and bros. Welcome to ascend at Staring Eagle
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And our phone numbers eight sixty six, eight three, eight forty eight forty
three physical corner ballhawk. Some would argue hard to believe this, but some
would argue he's almost too physical sometimes. I think mel Kiper said that last
night, which to me is ridiculous that somebody would have that label too physical.
The sport of football is all about being physical, right, But I
think when they say that, and I don't want to put words in their
mouth, I'm going to read, I'm going to interpret that little handsy at
times, that's okay. You got to get your hands on guys to slow
him down a little bit within five yards and as long as you're not holding
that will be key. Here's his numbers last year. Five picks seventeen breakups
for the University of Alabama in his career three year career with the Crimson Tide,
six picks twenty six breakups at one hundred and eight tackles. What does
that mean? You know what? Who knows? Honestly? Who knows?
You're not sure? And neither am I You know why? Who are the
past breakups against? Who are the interceptions against Is he being thrown at a
lot? How much did he help kool aid McKinstry, and how much did
kool aid McKinstry help him, How much did Dallas Turner help him? And
vice versa. Those are the things that scouts are supposed to know and recognize.
But we do know that he is widely viewed in this draft as one
of the best defensive players in the country coming out of college and one of
the best corners. Is he as good as Mitchell? I don't know.
Debating that last night, if you look at it and Queyon Mitchell was taken
twenty two overall by Philadelphia, he's out of Toledo. The thing you have
to I mean, how much a you're looking at who they're playing. Who
is Quinnon Mitchell facing in the Mid American Conference? And I'm a Mac guy.
It's no disparaging the Mac, but they don't have the same wide receivers
as the SEC. There's no league neighbors. Okay, in the Mid American
Conference. As much as I love the Mac, there just isn't. Sorry
it happens, doesn't mean he's not a good corner. I'm just wondering about
the type of challenges that he gets. There's no Brian Thomas, and Brian
Thomas was taken twenty third by Jacksonville. Explosive, high flying put a huge
numbers, big vertical weapons, seventeen touchdowns. Those are big numbers, right,
so I think you have to take that into account. Mitchell's a good
sized kid, strong. They say he's smart. Nick Saban last night,
I think he was on NFL network and said or maybe it was a different
network, but he said that, you know what, everybody loves him.
He's a guy that used to come over to my house and watch, you
know, spend some time with us. Nick Saban's wife loved him. He
sat next to Nick Saban in the defensive meetings. Pays attention can break down
film all the things the Lions like about a player he has. Here's why
I believe Lions fans love it, and that could be wrong, So feel
free to give me a shout at eight sixty six eight three, eight forty
eight forty three and say no, I like it because of a different reason.
I think they like it because it feels in need personally. I like
it because it's two things that I've preached forever. When making a draft pick,
and that is you want to take the best player available, and in
a perfect world, you also fill a need the Lions did not reach.
The Lions filled a massive need no Cam Sutton. So you needed a cornerback.
You needed a really good one. You needed a guy who could probably
step in right away. That's really hard. At the NFL level. Cornerback
position is probably the second most difficult position to transition from college to pro.
So you filled a need, but you did it without reaching. You did
it with a really good guy. Do you like the fact that they moved
up five spots and traded a third round pick, got a seventh round pick
back. Sometimes that's what it takes. Why did they do it? I
didn't think Dallas was going to take a cornerback, but if they had him
rated, Dallas ended up taking who was it, Tyler Geyton. He's the
offensive lineman out of Oklahoma. I believe Dallas was kind of positioned to take
an offensive lineman. There had to be somebody there who, somehow, some
way the Lions felt was going to take him. I don't know if it
was Green Bay who ended up taking Jordan Morgan, the offensive tackle from Arizona.
I don't know if it was Tampa who ended up taking Graham Barton,
the duke interior offensive lineman, would it have been Arizona. They drafted Darius
Robinson. They had very few sacks a year ago, I think thirty three
sacks last year, so they needed to upgrade. Robinson had eight and a
half at Missouri, really elevated his stock at the Senior Bowl. Here's the
other question I have for people who at every draft you're going to get compared
to one player. The fan base is going to compare you to a specific
player. Who is it well for Detroit drafting Terry on Arnold trading up for
I think it's it's I don't think it's the next guy. I don't think
it's necessarily the Jordan Morgan draft pick for Green Bay. I don't think you're
comparing a cornerback to a tackle. I think it's Lions fans will move forward
and say, if you were going to move up and you're going to take
a corner why him? I get it. I think most fans get it
too. If they follow college football and they follow the draft, then you
know the the so called experts how much they like Terry On Arnold that many
people who follow this, who do this for a living, and I respect
their opinions because they put a lot of time and effort into it, most
of them. I mean, this is not Charles Barkley at the NCAA tournament,
you know. I mean Charles Barkley. He works for TNT when the
NCUBLEA Tournament goes on. You can tell. I mean, he has no
idea. He doesn't watch college basketball. He watches the NBA. He gets
told a few things, he says it. It's pretty generic, you can
tell. I mean, if you really pay attention, you watch it for
entertainment. You don't watch and take his opinion for college basketball for knowledge.
You just don't. So these guys, these guys do this year round.
They're following it right, So I respect it very much that many people having
him as either the first or second best cornerback in the draft can't be wrong,
can they. I wouldn't think so. I suppose it's possible, but
I doubt it. Everybody had him as one of the best cornerbacks. Him
and Mitchell fight it out one or two. I think he's going to get
compared to another player in this draft by Lions fans. I'll tell you who
that player is when we come back. Phone numbers eight sixty six, eight
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what about y'all gotta start man? Hey, Hey, I'm old man,
I'm home. Hey. These fans gonna be crazy, man, God leave.
The Lions have announced themselves as Super Bowl contenders. What are you going
to help this franchise get there? You already said it. I'm gonna help
him win a Super Bowl? Listen that what on? What up? Hey?
It's amazing. Man. We're gonna go crazy. Man. That's the
newest Lion on ESPN last night. The newest Lion who is drafted twenty fourth
overall. He is Terry On Arnold. Lions moved up five spots to draft
him, gave up a third round pick, collected a seventh round choice.
One of the scouting reports on Arnold he's an electric player. It's the first
team all sec great energy, he's physical. Many people feel like it is
another home run. Let me tell you another key thing that people have said
about him. He loves football. Now it's easy for people to say I
love football. You have to show it, and he shows it. He
allowed the fifth lowest passer rating in the NCAA last year. That tells you
something too. Now he said, you all got a star. Okay,
I've said this for a long time about cornerbacks, especially cornerbacks wide receivers.
Cornerbacks must play with supreme confidence because they get challenged. Not just about every
play, They're gonna get challenged every game. For sure, somebody's gonna go
after him. You have to have a short memory, you have to be
supremely confident, and he sure seems like he is. But every player in
a draft by a fan base, I believe, gets compared to somebody else.
Are they going to be as good as this guy? Usually it's the
player taken right after him, because then you can play the game. You
could have had this guy, You could have had Aaron Donald. Remember,
Lions fans, sure you okay? So who is it for you? And
in this draft for Terry on Arnold, Because like I said just before the
break, it's not going to be Jordan Morgan. He was the tackle from
Arizona who went to Green Bay Athletic powerful started thirty seven to forty one games
with the Wildcats. So who is it? I think it's Nate Wiggins.
I think it's Nate Wiggins because he's a pure cornerback. He played at Clemson,
he's super fast, and he was drafted by a franchise you greatly respect,
the Baltimore Ravens. He was taken thirtieth overall. I think when Lions
fans and analysts moved forward, as you measure one player against another, it's
bound to happen. It's okay, I mean everybody. You don't think people
in Chicago are going to be doing that? Absolutely, they are could have
had Patrick Mahomes took Mitch Trubisky. Don't have a great history of drafting quarterbacks.
This, that and the other thing. They drafted Caleb Williams first overall.
Chicago Bear fans guaranteed will follow Caleb Williams so closely, but they will
also follow Jaden Daniels, and they will follow Drake May, and they will
follow Michael Pennix, and they will follow JJ McCarthy. Because all those quarterbacks
were drafted in the top ten. I doubt they'll follow bow Nicks, who
was drafted by Denver at number twelve overall, because he was never mentioned as
the first quarterback taken. You know what, let me take the Pennox thing
back, because I don't think he was ever mentioned as one of the top
four quarterbacks either. I think it's going to be Williams compared to Daniels,
compared to May, and to a certain extent, I think compared to JJ
McCarthy, even though he was taken behind Michael pennix. So I think that's
something natural that a lot of NFL fans do, and I think it's not
just NFL. I think a lot of people do it in other sports.
They just don't follow those sports in those draft picks quite as closely. For
example, do you think Tiger's fans are monitoring how Austin Martin does? No,
they're not, and he's been traded a couple times already, but I
don't think they're doing that. But I think when it comes to especially first
round picks, I think NFL fans do that probably more than anybody. Our
phone number is eight sixty six eight three, eight forty eight forty three.
Let me give you some quick sports news in case you missed it, because
we're all wrapped up and rightfully so, in the NFL draft. Here's what
else took place last night, and we'll go through the draft a little bit
with you. Happy to do that, Love doing that, Want the conversation
to keep going. Last night in the NBA, the Nuggets came back and
beat the Lakers, And I've got a slight observation here, and I want
to know if you're with me on it. But let me just say this.
No team has ever come back from being down three to nothing. They're
zero in one hundred and fifty one. The Lakers are the first team in
the last twenty five years to have a lead of twelve points or more in
each game and lose first team in twenty five years. To do that,
Denver got Gordon, Porter and Jokic with double doubles. La Is Denvers,
you know what, it's a good Metallica song. It ain't my blank.
They've won seventh straight playoff games against him, eleven games overall. Here's my
observation. There's a play last night, so a couple things. Lebron James
comes. Lebron James can do no wrong for basketball fans. I mean,
for some reason, people just think he walks on water. I don't know
if there's a bigger whiner slash baby in the entire league. He's an athletic
freak, arguably the greatest player of all time. I'd take Michael Jordan,
but Lebron James is in the conversation without a doubt. But nobody complains and
whins and throws their palms to the sky, shrugs their shoulders, rolls their
eyes, chirps at the ref more than Lebron James. Nobody, absolutely nobody.
There was a play last night. He turned it over. He's dribbling,
it goes out of bounds. He turns around starts complaining he's the one
who dribbled it out of bounds, and then afterwards he and Anthony Davis and
their competitors. I love that about him. I wouldn't want to stand in
front of reporters asking questions after losing a game either, especially when you have
blown double digit leads in each of the first three games. So him talking
to reporters, I give him credit. I do neither he nor Anthony Davis.
The last game after Game two were happy. I mean they they had
a drop to mic moment, it was really quick and they left. Can't
blame him. Wouldn't like it if I was covering it as a reporter,
because you know, that's part of my job is to ask questions. But
I get it. I get why they're upset. Here's what he said last
night. He was talking about it's just basketball. It's just basketball. It's
just a basketball game. I cannot stand that argument. And the reason I
can't stand it is because if we ever said that to them after a win,
after a big moment, after a huge personal accomplishment, if I just
said to them, oh, you just want a championship, yah, but
it's just basketball. So what difference does it make? How pissed off would
they be? Have you ever seen the clip with Derek Anderson, the former
quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals, Carolina Panthers and others, where somebody asks him
about laughing on the sidelines. What were you laughing about when you're getting beat
and so on and so forth? And he says, I wasn't laughing.
He said, do you know how much time and effort I put into this?
Do you know how much film I watch? He went off on the
reporter, went off find the interviewer. And you're like, oh, okay,
I mean it takes it personal. He's passionate. What if you said
that to Lebron James. He's in a scrum getting ready to play the Pistons
at Little Caesars Arena after practice. You go in and you say, you
guys have won six in a row. What's been the key? Oh,
we're playing really well together. Where he got symmetry and so yeah, but
it's just basketball. What do you think he'd say to you, don't give
me this. It's just basketball stuff. It's your livelihood, it's your career,
it's worth billions of dollars. It's a billion dollars, billions of dollar
business. It's just it's such a such a double stand. It's such a
hypocritical stance. Orlando blew out Cleveland one twenty eighty three. Paulo bon Caro
had thirty one points fourteen rebounds. It's Cleveland's worst playoff loss in franchise history.
Folks Orlando led by as many as forty three and wrote to their first
home playoff win since twenty eleven. They led by as many as forty three.
I don't think they led in either of the first two games of the
series against Cleveland. Sixers got fifty from Joel Embiid. They win one twenty
five to one. Fourteen TA get on board in the series with the Knicks.
In hockey, Florida beat Tampa three too. They lead the series three
games to none. Sam Reinhardt scored a goal. Matt Kuchuk scored a couple
of goals. The Panthers have now won nineteen of their last twenty playoff games
when they score three goals or more. Hello defense, Hello goaltending, Hello
contention for cups. That's how you do it. Meanwhile, Carolina beat the
Islanders and they lead the series three games to none. I set it after
Game two, when the Islanders were up three three nothing in the third and
Carolina scored five times, including three goals. I believe in about thirty seconds,
two goals within nine seconds of one another, that the Islanders are done.
I don't know how you come back from something like that. First of
all, coming back from three games to none is one thing, coming back
after emotional. It's one thing physically. These guys who used to playing back
to back every other day, high intensity opposing barns that get really loud.
But when you're up three to nothing in the third, you're twenty minutes away
from taking home ice advantage, away getting even in the series. I'm not
a big believer in momentum from game to game in a series, but there's
something about the mental aspect of postseason play that requires incredible strength, not physical
but mental strength. I just don't know how they bounce back from something like
that. Tiger's is gonna Hosse Kansas City tonight. It's resouls and against Seth
Lugo, who's by the way, three and one. Royals beat the Blue
Jays yesterday two to one. Here's the storyline. Salvador Perez is thirty three
years old. He had a first inning to run homer for the Royals.
He leads the American League and runs bad at him and Kansas City is off
to a pretty damn good start. Sixteen to ten. They are seven and
three in the division, same as Detroit. It's twenty six games deep.
Man, I'm not going to overreact and talk about this as a massive series
because it's not yet. But when you have a team that is starting to
feel itself a little bit, Kansas City's got some pretty good players. I
like a number of their young players, I really do. I mean,
I know they were not good a year ago, all right, I'm talking
about the team in general. Their pitching was awful and at times their defense
had a lot to be desired. The big reason why Kansas City was last
in the division at fifty six and one oho six, they were a minus
one point eighty three in run differential. Horrendous. Put that in perspective,
the Twins, who won the division last year, were a plus one to
nineteen in run differential. The Tigers finished second, they were a minus seventy
nine. The Twins were the only team with a run different parential as positive
the only team you want a key indicator on whether or not a team makes
the playoffs. Look at that. There's not many teams that are minus in
the run differential and reach the postseason. Miami did a year ago, Arizona
did a year ago. Arizona was a minus fifteen. Though it's not a
huge difference, but it's a pretty damn good indicator so far. So it's
I'm not saying it's the only one, but it's pretty good right now.
Kansas City's a plus thirty nine, big reason why they're above five hundred and
at least early on. Now. Can they sustain it? I don't know,
I really don't. I don't know enough about them. I know they're
young core and guys are going to It's going to take some time for guys
to learn the major leagues. You know. Bobby Witt Junior is still a
really young player. He is a phenomenal player. Really like him. Vinnie
Pascentino, I really like, not a huge fan of MJ. Melndez.
Don't think he's super good. Michael Massey seems like he's got some skill,
but he's off to a struggling start. Kyle Isbel's a pretty good center fielder.
So they've got some decent young players, not as many as Toronto,
but they just won the series with Toronto. Toronto's got Bashett Guerrero, Junior
var Show, Alejandro Kirk. They've got some good players man and Kansas City
just took care of business the last couple of games. So we'll take your
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to it. Lions with a really good pick yesterday, they move up,
they trade with Dallas, they get Terry on Arnold, the cornerback from Alabama.
The thoughts on that as well, I've already given you who I think
he's going to be compared to. I like the draft pick a lot.
I like the fact that it addresses a need, but I love the fact
that I trust the fact more than anything else. The Brad Holmes selected the
player he had highest on his board. It's a philosophy. Not everybody shares
it. I'm not saying it's completely right, but it's it's a philosophy they
get overall. Depending on which draft guru you want to listen to, Terry
On Arnold was considered the second best corner and he was drafted. He was
the second corner taken and the eleventh best player overall, and the Lions got
him at twenty four. I don't know if you pay attention to Matt Miller,
mel Kiper, Daniel Jeremiah, whomever. For the most part, he
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other side eight sixty six eight three, eight forty eight forty three. My
good friend Rob Rubik joins us in the seven o'clock hour as well to talk
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