The paranormal, zefos, monsters, mysteries that you're listening to Talking Weird and
know from a Kevin deep in the northwards your host, Doctor Dan Bertram.
Well, greetings to all my fellow widows and widows. Happy New Year to
you all, and thank you for joining me on Talking Weird for the Untold
Radio Network. It's lovely to see many of the Joes and some personal friends
of mine in the chat. I appreciate everybody who is here. I will
we get two questions and comments in the chat, probably in chapters tonight.
For those of you who didn't read the show notes. It's just me solo.
I'm going to be kind of work shopping and going over a chapter in
a book I've been working on for a long time about UFO belief and also
about the nature of UFOs and the UFO phenomenon. It's based partly on my
PhD dissertation on American UFO belief, but while that was more of a social
history about what people believe, this book lets me be a little bit I
suppose crazier and drift into some more hypothetical things that frankly I couldn't have got
away in the History Department of the University of Sydney, and perhaps for good
reason, because, as we all know, despite people claiming to be experts
on the UFO topic, none of us really know anything except perhaps we can
record it historically and perhaps we can take some somewhat educated guesses at what the
phenomenon is. So if you ask a question, I will get back to
it. I'm going to check back between sections of the presentation that I'm about
to do, and between each one, I'll go back and see, Okay,
somebody's had a question, Okay, can or okay? You know who
else is in the chat tonight, Nancy or Horace or Ed or anybody who's
likely watching or listening or anybody who's never jumped into the chat before, feel
free to ask me some questions and comment on what I'm suggesting. I'm actually
I'm not really working on this book much at the moment. I'm so busy
with my documentary on Richard Shaver and Ray Palmer called The Man Who Invented Flying
Sources, which you can go and check out at the shavemistery dot com,
which will take you to the Facebook page. That I don't have a whole
lot of time to work on the book, but the book sitting there,
and occasionally I pull it out and have a little bit of a look at
it. And this is one of the chapters that I think about the most
when I'm not actually working on it. So I suppose with that, thank
you everybody for joining us, and let's jump right in. I started that.
I start this with a quote from GK. Chesterton, which I think
is kind of telling this chapter. So when I read it to you realize
that I agree with him. He's talking about spirits here. I think he
had some experiences with the paranormal and seances and the like, but I think
it applies equally to the UFO phenomenon. And Chesteren wrote whether it is produced
by some subconscious but still human force or by some powers, good, bad,
or indifferent, which are external to humanity, I would not myself attempt
to decide. The only thing I will say with complete confidence about that mystic
and invisible power is that it tells lies. And I think the theme of
deception runs throughout not only the book I'm working on, particularly this chapter,
but my general thoughts about the UFOs as anybody who watches this show regularly or
listens to me on any other shows. I take a lot of it,
not at face value, but I suspect that we're being lied to. And
this chapter isn't about what some of you have heard me talk about regarding the
type of deception which is spun by the intelligence community. This is more about
if we think there's an actual phenomenon, If there is a phenomenon which isn't
a human intelligence, what could it be? Anyway? It starts with this
chapter, or this section anyway, which I called a clown called Funbo.
Imagine you're a child playing in a suburban yard. A van pulls up on
the street. Out front, A friendly looking clown dressed in a rainbow of
colors leans out the driver's window. Hey kid, I'm Funbo, the clown,
exclaims the smiling harlequin. I've got a bunch of puppies and kiddies and
candy in the back. We're all driving to my home in Disneyland for a
special party. Jump in. It's going to be fun. Would it be
a good idea to trust Funbo and get into his cripper van? Hopefully,
when you were a child, your parents had warned you about strangers and if
you now have children, hopefully you profer similar advice to your own offspring.
I had a fun bow type in cown to myself, and I was a
boy, and the driver wasn't dressed like a clown. But my parents had
warned me enough about such monsters, regardless of whatever deceitful guys they were wearing.
So I ran back towards my house, yelling for help, and the
predator sped away. And if I hadn't been warned, maybe I wouldn't be
here talking to you all the day. Now, imagine, though, for
a sickening moment, that a boy was taken by Funbo, fortunate enough to
later escape or be released, and then told his parents about his abuser.
Would anyone think that the child had been abducted by a clown whose drivers whose
driver's license read named Funbo the Clown addressed thirteen thirteen Disneyland Drive an I'm California,
ZIP code nine two eight zero two. Now, of course they wouldn't
think that, But let's even pull that in counter back a level. Just
imagine a creepy guy address as a clown, approaching kids playing at a local
park, introducing himself as Funbo the clown from Disneyland. No abduction this time,
just unsettling encounters with this weird clown. Now, if some of the
children later told their parents, and their parents in turn reported the encounters to
the authorities, the police, sure as heck wouldn't start canvassing Disneyland for a
resident clown named Funbo. Instead, they'd work towards finding out the real identity
of the potential predator behind the makeup and where he really came from. Now,
I want you to do a little thought experiment with me while we're here.
So now, since we're playing, let's imagine, let's extend it a
little bit. Now, imagine that you're entering a different and a more anomalous
landscape. Picture driving along a back road tonight. Your car's headlights are all
that illuminate the rural darkness. That is, until a bright light in the
sky catches your attention. The light follows your car. You see it land
in a roadside field. It's a classic source of shaped object. You even
watch as diminutive humanoid occupants eggsit the craft. It's all very strange and troublesome.
It bothers you, this intrusion into your reality when you were a child,
your parents and teachers had warned you about stranger danger. But neither in
childhood nor in adulthood had you been advised on how to deal with such an
experience, nor will you warn of the dangers that it could pose. As
we will see, older folk laws did prepare people for such dealings, and
many of these traditions, like Ireland's fairy faith, also cautioned that things seen
or experienced when encountering the encountering the other crowd by either fairies, it might
not be real. Everything could be an intentional deception when you encounter the fairies
a shiny fairy much as be a dank cavern. The magnificent feast served within
no more than piles of horse done its beautiful and ethereal residents could be disguised
old hags and grotesque goblins. And we'll talk more on the fair folk and
their glamour later as we're chatting tonight. But the point to take away from
this now is this, if you were raised in the fairy faith of the
Emerald Isle, you would have known not to trust what the good neighbors told
you or showed you, just as a modern child well schooled in stranger danger
knows not to trust the buttery promises, nor a wholesome facade of a pedophile
and a creeper van. But your modern outlook knows no alternative but to literalize
an anomalous encounter. So you take it at face value. Seeing is believing,
right. You know what you saw, and what you saw was an
advanced metallic craft from a distant world carrying its extraterrestrial crew on an interplanetary mission
of this planet. Decades of sci fi imagery and popular tropes that already set
you up to reach this conclusion. Now, if you tell your story to
a sympathetic ear, perhaps to a friend who is into UFOs or a civilian
UFO research group, chances are your pop culture infused interpretation will only be affirmed
and validated. Worse still, imagine that your experience on that dark byway keeps
niggling away at you. Okay, it's memory gives you no peace. It
turns out that your unexpected encounter with the unexplained it shook you at a deep
and existential level. Maybe you start to have trouble sleeping, or your nightmares
become focused on that weird event, or you become fearful of driving at night,
so you decide to seek out a mental health professional who deals with these
type of UFO experiences. And when you mention your decision or your UFO hobbyist
friend, he recommends someone he saw lecturing about alien contact at a paranormal conference.
Alternatively, you might hear a sympathetic sounding hypnotherapist on a light late night
radio show or a podcast like this one talking about helping people come to grips
with their close encounters. Perhaps, in your ever encompassing research efforts to make
sense of your experience, you discover a book which that same hypno therapists wrote
on the topic, Or maybe if you contacted a civilian UFO group, they
refer you to this hypnotherapist. At any rate, we've already well, I
already in other parts of the book, have looked where at where this is
likely to end, and I've talked about it on multiple episodes of this show,
The Dangers of Hypnosis. Our regular listener and guest on this show,
Ed Schultz, who's a trained hypnotherapist, will warn you about the dangers of
using hypnosis to recover these type of memories as well. And so sure enough,
after you've had some hypno regression sessions with said therapist, you now know
that you're an alien abductee and your one brief brush with the numinus ends up
changing your life, your beliefs, and your very concepts of self and reality
forever. Okay, so that little imaginal game we were playing is over but
now, But it's an accurate encapsulation of the process framing many such real life
experiences and how an initial event can ferments and mushroom in the experience of psyche,
often with external help. So let's be clear, and this isn't a
popular thing to say in the community which many of us exist in. Affirming
the proclamations and visitor visage is presented by an unknown phenomenon to a UFO experience
experience, it's about as helpful as agreeing with the Funbo victim that his abductor
was a clown who lives in Disneyland. The flip side, of course,
is that if there was a genuine experiential basis to a particular UFO experience,
then telling the experience so that her encounter was just a figment of her imagination
might be as damaging as telling a victim of our theoretical clown predator that he
had simply imagined his abuser, because, after all, we know that there
is no such thing as a Pederius clown called Funbo who lives in Disneyland,
just as many of us tracking the history of the UFO phenomenon doubt that Zeta
reticulans of visiting and kidnapping earthlings. So tonight's presentation is going to kind of
be put together in the spirit of if this is real, then what is
it? By which I mean if some close encounters do have an external conscience,
conscious agency, what then is that agency or what might that agency be?
Now? A plethora of UFO books authored by die hard proponents of the
extraterrestrial hypothesis as certain to know what the agency is behind the flying source of
phenomenon I humanoid extraterrestrial visitors. At best, such authors have little more than
anecdotal evidence to support their conclusions, namely testimony from UFO witnesses or experiences,
often prompted or reinterpreted by the authors themselves, claiming that the beings encountered were
extraterrestrials. It's kind of like if a researcher in our Funbo allegory, interviewed
the boy abducted by Funbo, and then, based on the lad's recollections,
wrote a book asserting the existence of Disneyland's Pederis Clown. Now, to be
clear, if there is a conscious external agency behind the UFO experience, I
don't know myself with any degree of certainty what it is, but I can
say with a higher degree of certainty what it is not now. In both
my PhD and my master's thesis, and multiple times on this show and on
other people's shows, I traced that this almost ubiquitous belief that UFO some metallic
extraterrestrial spaceships gradually emerged in the late forties into the early fifties and became inseparable
from the period science fiction tropes and social concerns. This new mythology was further
developed by hoaxes, intelligence operations, and dubious pseudotherapeutical practices which we were mentioning
before, all the while shifting and keeping pace with powerful cultural undercurrents. So,
whatever the phenomenon is, the UFO phenomenon, it isn't what the X
files type UFO belief has taught us. It isn't part of some cosmic conspiracy
involving extraterrestrial hybridization programs and MJ twelve style shadow government reverse engineered flying sources an
underground basis shared by aliens in the US military, Unless that is, the
hoaxes and spin and confabulations and cultural currents and science fiction tropes all just fell
into perfect alignment and mirrord the exact reality of the phenomenon, which to meliately
seems pretty unlikely. That said, if there is a conscious non human agency
behind the flying sources, it could be an extraterrestrial force playing its own deceptive
game, in which case it might behave in the way it would expect us
to believe that it would behave. So it may be an extraterrestrial force.
But we're also going to we're going about to look at that now what that
could mean. But also in the spirit I suppose of the terrible story of
Funbo and with the idea of a fun bow lineup, just imagine that there
might be some other suspects that are a little closer to home and a little
more in line with some long reaching traditions and beliefs about non human intelligences and
We'll get to that after we look at the extraterrestrial model, but first I
might jump in and see if anybody has any questions. Horace Smith, Professor
emeritus of astronomy and Physics at Michigan State University, says, the clown has
a humany of terrible motivation. Understanding the motivation and of an ELF or UFO
inhabitant is harder unless perhaps it comes from the human consciousness. That's an excellent,
excellent, excellent point, and I agree with it. That's why it's
even more difficult to determine some of this. So let's jump into the extraterrestrial
intelligence possibility, or what I think it might mean if it is extraterrestrial.
Now, our concept of extraterrestrial life has been molded and remolded by over a
century worth of science fiction, along with thousands of UFO reports chronicled by rioters
and documentarians from the nineteen forties to the present. In fact, if you
look at Charles Fort, this goes back even further. It goes another twenty
years backwards, and Chris Aubeck and his recent excellent book on Flying Sources has
pointed out that these beliefs extend even further back, but mainly from the forties
forward perhaps is where we get so much of this, and even a halfway
astute researcher who bothers to trace the history of encounters and beliefs within a broader
context, we'll see how the UFO phenomenon seems to shift and keep pace with
the general culture. Not just UFO belief indeed, but the very manifestations of
the phenomena as reported by witnesses and experiences also tends to keep pace with our
current technological and culture assumptions or preconceptions. But so, the anthropogenic bias that
sees ets is essentially human, just with slightly different minor discrepancies, usually like
features which are slightly off or slightly varying heights. But in some ways comes
from the Hollywood practicality that you have to put men in suits to you know,
you say you have to cast people opposite Captain Kirk or anybody else you're
going to use humans, You've got to fit a kind of a suit that
fits on them. So it kind of works for special effects units to write
stories around aliens which are essentially the same as us. Right, But this
anthropogenic appearance nature and motives of the aliens is reported by experiences and recorded in
UFO law is perhaps one of the leading indicators of our own cultural bias and
the expectations being reflected back to us. Now, if a genuine extraterrestrial intelligence
is communicating with us, it may be truly alien. It may be of
a shape or top or nature beyond our imagination, perhaps even exists outside our
limited perception, and if so, it may choose to present in a manner
more palpable to human expectations i e. For the last few decades as little
gray men. And prior to the cultural primacy of that alien motive, the
little gray alien, there was an assortment of sci fi and horror film type
monsters which regaled witnesses in earlier years. I mean think of flat woods.
It was the Frankenstein monster was popular. It was the flatwood monster. Hopkinsville.
That was Hopkinsville Goblins. Everybody understood what goblins were, or even the
famous Pascagoula abduction. They were mummies. They were described us like mummies or
as beautific you know, angel like ET's Ala, Michael Rennie in the Day
of the Earth stood Still, or the flaxen haired space brothers of Georgia Danski
in the other contact ees, So we used to see these creatures more with
it, describe them at least more within the context of other paranormal ideas and
fiction that we were used to before the prevalence of UFO depiction so much in
a lot of popular culture, and any more speculation of that from me would
probably be just more speculation. But it's worth considering that a real alien intelligence
may look and behave nothing like our science fiction has imagineered that concept in our
popular consciousness, or at least most science fiction. That is, in a
few minutes, when we're looking at more gnostic simulation type suggestions, which we'll
get to in a minute, I think you'll find that pretty interesting. I
do the experiences and exegesis of science fiction giant Philip K. Dick will come
to the foreground. Now we'll concentrate on the more overtly spiritual aspects of intelligence
that he termed variously Valous or Zebra, and as we will see, while
Dick imagined that Valus was a living divinity, he also played with the idea
that it may have been an extraterrestrial satellite transmitting messages to liberate us from our
earth boundary reality. Now, another influential science fiction book and film suggested something
similar in nineteen sixty eight. Arthur C. Clarke's novel two thousand and one,
A Space Odyssey and the classic Stanley Kubrick film version. Imagine that a
mysterious black obelisk was able to manipulate human consciousness and evolution. Its influenced drove
our species ever onwards and upwards towards the stars. Now John Kill ran with
this idea. John Kill, of course, is the author of Mothman Prophecies
and one of the most significant people writing in this space in its history,
so he played with this idea in his classic work The Eighth Tower, but
rather imagining the forces extraterrestrial in origin, Kill repurposed the obelisk as an allegory
for his concept of the super spectrum, which is an impersonal energy field which
explained most paranormal, religious, and UFO phenomena. According to Kill. Kill
similarly described as non human power as driving human history and belief, just like
the obelisk did in two thousand and one. Now science fiction historian, so
this is somebody outside of the UFO space. His name is John Brosnan,
and he interpreted the film in much the same way, describing its plot as
revolving around and he wrote, cold impersonal entities playing some kind of cosmic game
with mankind for incomprehensible reasons of their own. And anyone familiar with Keel's work
or the phil Mothmann prophecies is very aware of how Brosnan's description of two thousand
and one resonates through this type of UFO interpretation. Now, the nature of
any intelligence so alien to our own usual anthropocentric expectation of the other, but
it PK. Dix, Vowers, Kubrick's Black Obelisk or Kills eight Tower might
prove unknowable. It might be extraterrestrial, But the alternatives that will begin to
examine the night are no less probable, regardless of hypothesized origin. All have
been described as communicating with us via mythological projections and bioelectromagnetic emissions. Influential Ailien
abductee and author Whitney Streiber has mentioned, and I quote from him, that
his visitor used very few words to communicate. Their primary method was a sort
of theatrical demonstration, richly endowed with symbolic meaning. Thinkers from Carl Jung through
Keith Thompson to Thomas Ballard have noted the seeming mythic messaging and communication embedded in
UFO experiences, And to me, it seems like it's a kind of a
one side of communication designed to elicit a reaction from us more than a conversation.
It's not that our voice goes unheard in these engagements. Indeed, our
own cultural and psychological expectations seem to be echoed back to us. In other
words, we are hearing ourselves in said messages as much as we are hearing
the other. But is the other listening to us in return? Whatever the
other is, is it hoping for a dialogue? Even that concept starts to
slide us again towards anthropomorphism. Besides, whatever the other is, nothing suggests
that it is listening elsewhere. In the Eighth Tower, Kiells imagines this messenger
as a king into a great phonograph in the sky, something that throughout human
history has spun the same message for us over and over again and again.
But maybe this ancient power is more like a broadcast station than a record player.
And if so, maybe humans are receivers, not transceivers. We are
like shortwave radio sets picking up a cryptic signal, but without the means to
transmit a reply. Then again, whatever it is, be it extraterrestrial,
satellite, divine, living plasma, manifestation of the super spectrum, or something
equally impenetrable, it could be a waiting for a specific response from us that
we are yet and perhaps always will be unable to send. So that's the
end of that section. I'm going to just jump in to jump into here.
So thank you so much for Stuart Feedback Andrews from Cinephobia Radio for listening.
You should go and check out Cinema Cinephobia Radio, Stuart Feedback. Andrews's
work is fantastic. I've been listening to him since he was on Room or
radio decades maybe two decades ago, I can't remember when. But he's a
fantastic He's a fantastic broadcaster, one of the best people I think in the
broadcast space. Thank you so much to Foxy Joe for the supersticker. I
can't say how much I appreciate it. And Horace Smith asked the question would
the rise of social media be expected to lead to even more uniformly depictions of
UFOs and aliens. That's a very good question, Horace. Maybe that's something
I need to deal with in the book some as well, So I appreciate
I appreciate that feedback very very much. Now let's jump into a section as
you'll see why it's called this. In a minute, I called it just
the working thing anyway is called it's evil deems from the Republic of the matrix
all the way down. One common thread, weeding its subversive way through the
history of ideas, presents us with another model. It suggests that reality is
not what or how we perceive it to be. Our existence may be illusory
or inconcert quench what we experience in our day to day lives, may be
subservient to a higher order in which we are to which we are oblivious,
Or we might just misinterpret existence with our flawed perceptual tools. One of the
earliest and best known iterations of this strain of thought appears in the writings of
Plato. Now, he posited that the physical phenomena of this world were imperfect
imitations of ideal ones. Now, I do have a little You're going to
have to give me a second. I'll try to pop it up. If
I can, I do here have somewhere a little picture of what I'm about
to talk about, haven't I had a lot of pictures, But it's going
to slow me down if I start talking about I put it up for you
now. Now, what Plato posited was that there was a physical phenomenon This
world was imperfect imitations of ideal ones. So objects that we experience, be
them dogs or chairs or men, are like distorted reflections glimped in a thousand
shards of a shattered mirror. All of them are flawed representations, representations,
representations of an ideal form idea. Plato's best known presentation of this is the
allegory of the Cave, found in his most influential work, The Republic.
And every student who has ever taken a philosophy one oh one course has had
this allegory pummeled into their heads. And it's so ubiquitous that herein will just
present a very brief over use. So Plato imagined a scenario where prisoners spent
their entire lives confined in a cave. Therein they would chain to face the
wall. All they could see was shadows from a kind of puppet show engineered
before them, falling onto the wall's rocky surface. Those shadows were the captive's
reality, or at least their only sense of the world. Indeed, Plato
imagined that a prisoner from such a scenario would become so acclimated to the cave
that he would have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the blinding
and terrifying sunlit reality above, and should the prisoner ever return to the dark
cavern, he would appear blind and insane to his fellow prisoners. They in
turn would then resist ever leaving the familiar faux reality of their subterranean prison.
Now drawing on Plato's theory of forms, the more overtly religious neoplatonist movement developed,
and, like contemporaneous Gnostic Christian traditions, indeed they often borrowed from each
other. Neoplatonism conceptualized our world as inherently flawed physical descent from higher and realer
divine forms. A thorough discussion of neoplatonism and gnosticism is well beyond the scope
of Tonight's conversation, but from Plato onwards, this strain became a potent alternative
in the history of religious and philosophical thought. We see it in the physical
spiritual dualism of third century Banicheism, in the Cartha heresy of the Middle Ages,
and again in seventeenth century French philosopher Rene Descartes' famous contemplation of a milicious
demon or evil genius, powerful enough to trap us in a delusion where nothing
was real but our own consciousness. Hence, I think, therefore I am,
the phrase you were probably familiar with. In the nineteen seventies, this
same idea manifested in thought experiments, which posited that you might just be a
brain in a vat or laying in a laboratory with wires running into your head
from a large computer, fooling you into thinking you existed in an external reality.
Today, the idea manifests in the talking point that we all might exist
in a matrix style computer simulation. Such discussions can reach at infinite and ridiculousness
and illustrate what is known as the problem of infinite regress, asserting that we
might be nowhere near base reality. Some thinkers, including billionaire tech mogul Elon
Musk, posit that due to the advances we have seen in computer game technology
over the past forty years, and projecting such advances into the near future,
where our virtual reality experiences in said games will become indistinguishable from reality. We
most likely already exist insider computer generated simulation, insider computer generated simulation inside a
computer generated simulation, and so on. Now such thinking is reminiscent of an
anecdote involving the Hindi myth that the planet Earth is supported on the back of
a giant world turtle and what might and this might be an apocryphal tale,
but it's worth telling. The influential nineteenth century psychologist William James was presented with
the world turtle cosmology by an audience member following one of his famous lectures It's
the old lady came up to him and told him about the turtle, the
turtle world turtle story, and so James asked her what does the turtle stand
on? And she replied a second, far larger turtle. And then James
responded with the obvious follow up question, and what does this second turtle stand
on, to which this elderly zealid replied, it's turtles all the way down.
But let's not throw out the concept because of its potential to carry us
towards fallaciousness. Plenty of ideas are loaded with similar dangers now. In his
groundbreaking nineteen seventy nine book Messages of Deception, Jacques Valay introduced a potent allegory
reminiscent of Plato's cave. He suggested that UFO encounters are akin to the experience
of watching a film in a cinema. While staring at the bright display projected
onto the screen in front of them, audience members are oblivious to the real
technology generating the imagery. That mechanism is located in the darkness behind them,
perched out of sight in the projection booth. Moreover, while the images and
story projected under the screen appear very different depending upon what movie one goes to
see, the technology generating the imagery remains the same. Likewise, Varying UFO
experiences and all kinds of paranormal experiences for that matter, while appearing different on
the surface, may also originate from one root source. The projector in Valai's
model, is part of a controls the lay imagine said system operating like a
thermostat, but instead of switching on and off to regulate temperature, it might
project intermittent UFO imagery to somehow regulate human consciousness, so doing it engineers our
beliefs and therefore society itself. Valay stated that he had not determined whether the
control system is and this is a quote from Vlay, natural or spontaneous,
whether it is explainable in terms of genetics, of social psychology, or of
ordinary phenomenon, or if it is artificial in nature and under the power of
some superhuman will. It may be entirely determined by laws that we have not
yet discovered. The suggestion that UFOs are part of a control system might be
a literal truth beyond even what Vlay intended. He followed the above suggestion just
a few pages later by qualifying, and he said, when I speak of
a control system for planet Earth, I do not want my words to be
misunderstood. I do not mean that some high order of beings has us locked
inside the constraints of a space bound jail, closely monitored by psycho entities we
might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God. What
I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over
which normal political and intellectual action has no real power. Now, Contravlay,
I'd argue that the undeniable potence of potency of mythology and the existence of a
higher order of intelligent beings with the power to keep us bound in this reality
and not concepts which require mutual exclusivity. Some intelligence operating from outside the existence
we inhabit may be throwing control disruptors into our realm, some of we which
may appear as UFO phenomenon. Perhaps, as Valet suggested suggested, rather this
is to engineer or regulate belief. Or perhaps they are designed to fulfill some
deep seated need our species has for mystery, but never give us the answer.
Much like fairy dust in fairy law, somebody goes into into a fairy
palace and comes back with some fairy gold as proof of their experience, but
when they're in daylight, the fairy gold evaporate. This always seems to evaporate
as well whenever a witness or experience that comes back with a story. So
perhaps these anomalies interjected to our into our system distract us from looking too closely
at the structure of the system itself. They are presented as recognizable archetypal mythological
or cultural tropes, diminutive aliens and flying sources, Blessed Virgin Mary's relict,
ape man sea serpents, the ghost of Great Art, Gertrude, and so
on, all of them waiving a promissory note of paradigm shifting enlightenment, but
none of them ever getting close enough for us to snatch that fable chit from
their ever morphing appendages. These projections radiate a mysterious and mesmerizing a lure,
just strange and frequent enough in their manifestations to impact human imagination and myth,
yet not so incomprehensible or so regular to cause us to throw of broader beliefs
about the nature of reality itself. Or it could be that an external intelligence
is intentionally messing with the system sending in data points designed to conflict with our
reality, and perhaps that's to get our attention. Perhaps it's difficult to determine
if this interjection or injection is good or bad. It's like a shot from
a doctor or a shot from an experimenter. It could be acting with benevolent
malevolent or do the human mind unknowable motives, And if we are indeed trapped
in such a system, one situated below or higher existence. It would explain
why flying sources, along with other mythic manifestations interjected into our reality from outside
the system, don't abide by those physical laws that constrain the rest of the
beings and objects residing within. Think of the hypothetical external intelligence like a computer
game designer. The cheap code or god mode or easter eggs they embed in
the program are not bound by the standard constraints of the simulation. So aliens
pass through walls, as do ghosts, bigfoot like religious apparitions can disappear in
a flash. None of them seem to abide by the physical laws that constrain
the rest of the planet's inhabitants, and after they pass through our reality,
leave nothing but the occasional footprints or landing pod mark or blurry photo. They
never seem to leave any type of conclusive physical evidence. Now, the obvious
throwaway line here about UFOs and other anomalous phenomenon are that they are a glitch
in the matrix, and this confers the concept that it's most simplistic, I
think because culturally we understand that a fake, non baseline reality, as the
Matrix because of the popular film series the same name that trilogy portrayed. In
fact, there's more that there are for films now, and you have sort
of first three that trilogy portrayed, or quadrology what is it? Portrayed a
future dystopia where human beings are physically trapped in coffin sized pods and their comatose
bodies are harvested for energy while their brains are plugged in a virtual reality simulation
of the late twentieth century world. But the film's creators, the Wakowski Brothers
now the Wakowski Sisters, only homogenized ideas from the long standing intellectual traditions we've
already talked about, from Plato through Descartes to brain in of that thought experiment.
Upon the release of The Matrix, a friend of mine in Sydney,
which is where I lived when those films came out, dismissively stated as PK.
Dick for dummies, And while he was flippant, he was also right.
So to understand PK. Dick's part in all of this, we have
to go back to a day in the nineteen seventies when Philip K. Dick,
arguably the most influential science fiction writer of the twentieth century who you know
films like Blade Runner come from his work. For example, he just had
a wisdom tooth removed, and he'd ordered a painkiller from the pharmacy, I
believe. And when he answered the front door, when the pharmacists came to
deliver it was a young woman who was wearing a necklace with that old Christian
fish symbol hanging offered as a pandit. And Dick says that a pink beam
of light shot out of that pandit and hit him right between his eyes,
in his forehead. And suddenly he was aware that the reality of nineteen seventies
America was just imprinted upon a deeper, older reality. Beneath the modern veneer.
He could see ancient row. He realized he was simultaneously both Philip K.
Dick and a gnostic Christian living that in that period in ancient Rome.
As he famously stated in a number of oft repeated lines in his semi autobiographical
novel Valus, he said, the empire never ended, and we were all
living in a black iron prison. I'm about to explain what all that means.
The title of the novel Valus is an acronym for vast, active,
living, intelligent system. Elsewhere in his writings, notably in his non fiction
Exegesis, Dick alternatively called this non human intelligence Zebra, and within his novels,
Valus or Zebra appears variously as an extraterrestrial satellite circling the Earth while beaming
messages to enlighten the elect a Russian stile, and a manifestation of God.
In his Exegesis, Dick describes Zebra as a living sentient plasma. It entered
our reality to free us from Dick's gnostic concept of the Black Iron Prison,
which he abbreviated as BP or BIP. In the following passage, we see
a large part of where the idea for the matrix probably clearly originated. And
so this message from Dixon, Jesus, it kind of is that dumb down.
I mean, this shows that the matrix kind of is a dumb downe
version, at least according to my friend who is very familiar with both Dick
and those films. So Dick said, we are not enslaved by a false
world, because there is no world there. We are enslaved by a real
and evil entity which projects data contoured to resemble a world. It is a
thing, the BEP or black iron prison. It fires controlling stimuli signals at
us, which we are compelled to respond to in fixed ways. If we
could see this structure as it really is, we would see ourselves in the
midst of disinhibiting stimuli fired at us so as to link up with internal synchrono
up to then inhibited circuses. The circuits. Rather, we would see no
world, but we would see a vast structure, virtually a big black iron
building, totally enclosing us, just firing signals again and again. Ittice.
We must serve some purpose to it, but who cares what that is.
It is sufficient to know that it isn't to our advantage and we need rescue.
Maybe we're sources of energy to it, we help power it, But
more likely it is a gestalt bogus and imitation of the legitimate universe organism.
Now, while you might be asking what does this have to do with UFOs,
I'm about to get to that. Dick's ideas can be traced to that
neoplatonic gnostic movements that we looked at earlier, and a particular significance to our
discussion about UFOs, Dick understood that tales from these earlier traditions, like his
concept than amorphous zebra or valors resemble these Dick's words, the willow wisp,
ufo sidings and contacts and zebra has a little of that playful, mirthful quality
very much. So look I am here, know there, Look I am
this, know that, eg. From the past or the future, or
another planet or alternative universe riddles and pranks. We are being charmed and beguiled
and entranced, and by this process our fear of the unknown that abates,
and also we become enthralled children, absolutely fascinated by the emerging pattern of what
we see. Continually we are given the option of dismissing what we are shown
by the master magician prankster. That's what Dick said. So the matrix might
not be a bunch of comatos people plugged or downloaded into a sinister AI program.
It might be a physical disconnect from a deeper spiritual truth, a snare
which separates us from a higher divine existence. And those mythic structures, including
UFOs, that apport in our profane reality, might be sent from a benevolent
higher intelligence, the same intelligence which PK. Dick labeled valors. Their purpose
is to help us see the ridiculousness and contradictions of the prison that confines us,
and by illuminating these flaws, wake us up. Well maybe not.
UFO research and occultist Alan Greenfield offers a very different take on Valas in his
occult classic Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. Greenfield equates Valous with the gnostic demiurge,
an evil creator that has trapped mankind in an inferior physical world, separating
us from higher divine reality. Valus keeps, according to Greenfield, humanity in
a state of materialist trance and evolutionary stagnation. Now this inverts Dick's interpretation of
a benevolent and messianic sentient plasma. If Greenfield is correct, then the earlier
suggestion that we talked about we talked about earlier tonight, that UFOs and their
anomalous cohorts are generated to keep a psychic replicated that may be accurate. These
manifestations become the mythic equivalent of an opioid sedative, leading our mind and spirit
along phantasmgorical flights of fantasy, rather than leaving a sober enough to contemplate and
perhaps discover genuine spiritual truth. Of course, all we have is a hypothetical
perspective to determine and whether such a disrupted gatekeeper is good or evil. But
whatever the intention of valors, and whatever the purpose of the sources, recognizing
that they are related to our confinement in the black iron prison might present a
clue to how we can unlock our cosmic cage. As the famous mystic Gorge's
George's Gerdrjef often proclaimed, if a man in prison was at any time to
have a chance of escape, then he must first of all realize that he
is in prison. So long as he fails to realize this, so long
as he thinks that he is free, he has no chance whatever. So
thank you so much again for everybody getting me back on track. I was
just checking to see if there are any more questions or comments. I can't
thank you all enough. I hope you're enjoying this little presentation, and now
I move on. Actually, let me just double check again in case I
didn't scroll down for enough for any questions. And thank you to the other
people who have dropped in to say hello. Well, so This is a
little piece I called Not of the Race of Adam, which is based on
a fairy story which I won't actually go into tonight in the presentation because it
would take me too long. But it was something that was said by a
fairy in Scotland. So anyone with more than an interest in fairy law and
the UFO phenomenon can't help but see clear parallels between the two. This realization
led Jacques for later pen his paradigm blasting Passport to Macgonia in nineteen sixty nine,
part iconoclastic Loogie aimed at the scientific establishment in the wake of the biased
Condon Report and part revelatory brainstorm. And it's difficult to pick up a book
by any real thinker on the phenomenon since then and not see the comparison made
between fairy faith and UFO law. So whether it's Jerome Clark and Lauren Coleman's
The Unidentified, Joshua Cutchen's Thieves in the Night, Ted Holiday and Colin Wilson's
The Goblin Universe, John Keells UFO Operation Trojan Horse, Jim Brandon's The Rebirth
of Pan, Keith Thompson's Aliens and Angels, as well as various academics like
Thomas Ballad has looked at it. And I only mention all of those names
to make the point that I'm not inventing what I'm about to tell you.
Now. This has been something people have been talking about since the sixties,
and even I found recently Ray Palmer and Richard Shaver were talking about it as
early as the nineteen fifties. So it's a long tradition of thought within the
UFO community realizing the parallels between UFO law and fairy faith. But let's examine
that a little bit. So. Unfortunately, though, many in the UFO
community, including some of its most influential players, have seemed oblivious to such
parallels. The documentary in Carol Rainey, the ex wife of the late Bud
Hopkins, pointed out that her ex husband, along with his colleagues in the
alien abduction research community, and for those of you who don't know, Bud
Hopkins is arguably the most important writer and player in that space. He's past
now, but he dominated the scene from the eighties through the nineties. So
Rainey said that had her ex husband, Bud Hopkins and his colleagues had almost
zero understanding of historical antecedents and folkl or similarities to the modern alien abduction phenomenon.
I can confirm this myself, and I had my own encounter and conversation
with Bud Hopkins at fort Fest in ninety nine. Now, he was a
friendly man and I enjoyed talking to him, but he did I believe his
speech was on the similarities between witch marks or on the bodies of witches,
and or at least he brought it up in this speech, I think,
and alien and alien abductees having marks, or maybe he just brought up the
alien abductees having marks, now I think about it. I bought up to
him at a breakfast we had together. Don't you think there's a parallel between
these witch marks and alien abductees having marks on their bodies? And he was
very very dismissive. As friendly as he was, he was very dismissive at
this moment. He said, all of this comparison with fairy stuff is just
bark. There's no pots of golds at the end of alien abduction stories.
Well, anybody's familiar with fairy faith those there's hardly ever a pot of gold
at the end of a fairy story either, this is something we're used to
from lucky charm, you know, commercials, and maybe a couple of stories
about leprechorns. That isn't a standard trope of fairy faith, so he just
used that dismissively to shut down, fallaciously to shut down. I think a
genuine point that there are significant similarities between older folkloric traditions and UFO belief So
the flip side of this wilful ignorance can manifest in another unhelpful way, though,
When discovering parallels between UFO phenomena and previous traditions, many euthologis telescope of
their own modern beliefs onto the past. So they presume, with embarrassing confidence
and distasteful ethnocentrism, that previous cultures misinterpreted visiting extraterrestrials as fairies and gods or
angels and demons. So they say old or indigenousness and mythologies that mention sky
gods or supernatural beings descending from the heavens, that they're definitely ETAs those ones
seem to excite the followists the most. You could almost hear their smugness when
they realized this similarity our primitive ancestors were so ignorant that they mistook space aliens
as gods. Those of us, living in the modern space age and plugged
into science fiction aren't bridled by such silly culturally bound biases and presumptions. We
know those ancient visitors really interstell astronauts and flying sources now being facetious, But
that's not too far removed. And there are indeed myths of supernatural entities descending
from the heavens. But there are even more tales involving non human humanoids living
here on Earth. These beings can reside on high mountaintops or in deep caverns.
Often they live in or below ancient ruins and hills. Some call the
oceans, seas, lakes, or rivers their home. Others are said to
inhabit lonely forests and hidden grottoes, and most often they visit us from a
place just separated from our veil by a thin veil. All of these were
chronicled in fairy faith, and to say encounters with such entities were frequent would
be ingenuous, But they were regular enough that people who hadn't had their own
personal experience knew of someone who had Indeed, reports still continued, perhaps with
slightly less regularity, well into modernity, and in some places even up to
the present day, notably in places where folk belief in such beings were so
strong that it survived up until the current day. Now, those raised in
such traditions have always understood the fairies or the other crowd, or whatever they
would call them, in a far more immediate and comprehensive way than we understand
alleged extraterrestrial visitors today. The fairies weren't just the stuff of pop culture and
fringe belief. They were once part of daily existence and consensus. Reality.
Protocols existed regarding how to behave should one encounter them. Just as my parents
taught me how to deal with predatory strangers, don't believe what they tell you
and run in the opposite direction screaming for help, which I did, thankfully,
Previous generations were instructed on how to avoid, or, worst case scenario,
deal with meeting a member of the other crowd. Traveling after dark particularly
uncertain dates was a bad idea, so the gaelicquarter days and Embolic beltane I'm
probably mispronouncing this. Log Dasher and Sourn were when she journeyed between their habitations,
so travel on those nights was best avoided, as were places all through
the year associated with the fairies, be them fairy rings, forts, trees,
or other fairiesh locales. One never wanted to catch the fairies unaware,
or more to the point, be caught by the fairies while spying upon them.
The fair folk value their privacy and would punish humans who infringed upon it.
This included people who had secret interactions with the fairies, but loose leaps
following such dealings. I kind of joke here, but if only such courtesies
were known today, we probably would never almost ever hear about, you know,
so these UFO reports there certainly wouldn't be people, you know, wanting
to publicize their stories quite so much. Now. The fair folk were quick
to anger, so one had to be careful polite in any dealings with them.
This caution extended to even speaking about them. Better not to. But
if one must, best to refer to them with benevolent and gracious sounding titles
like the gentry or the good people. One should never accept any food or
drink which they offered. Indeed, if someone did consume refreshments, well in
fairy land, he may never be able to return to the land and mortal
men, although the above point about politeness also needed to be remembered, so
one had to be very careful with how one handled such refusals. Fairies were
annable to cross flowing water, and I mean I could. We're running out
of time because I spoke too much. But it goes on and on and
on. There was just there was everything from carrying black hand or daggers,
to hanging scissors above a baby's cradle to using certain plants were ways to protect
yourself from the fair folks. So it was entrenched in the culture of the
day. Now, so let's move on to what I think is a key
point, and that's about fairy glamour and how fairy faith taught its adherents to
doubt what they experienced while undergoing a fairy encounter. Now, glamour was a
kind of hypnotism which affects the senses of the beholder, a mesmerism or enchantment,
so that things were perceived or not perceived as the enchanter wished. So
intrinsic is this power to the nature of the fairies that their very name came
to reflected in her Essential and Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia of Fairies, Catherine Big summarizes
fay was the earliest form in which the word fairy appears. It is generally
supposed to be a broken down version of fortae, the fates, which in
Romance tradition became less formidable and multiplied in number. The word fairy was originally
fairy the enchantment of the phase, and only later became applied to the people
working the enchantment rather than the state of the illusion. The actual word glamour,
thought to be power, also belonging to witches, derived from the same
semantic root as grammar, and this is a bit of a it's worth knowing.
It probably originates from the idea that the ability to enchant came from a
magical incantation written in and read from an occult manuscript or a book of spells,
although when using reference to the fair folk, it implied a power and
nate to their race, not something booklet. But rather than focusing on the
sometimes diminutive size of both aliens and fairies, along with similarities between alien abduction
and fairy kidnapped, narratives like reproductive agendas and missing time. It is this
off overlooked ability of the other crowd, of the fairies, their power to
beguile our senses, that should have been the focus I think of comparative UFO
research. If an entire antecedent mythology based the very name of its non human
denizens on their ability to enchant and deceive us multi folk, then common sense
suggests we should have adjusted our focus accordingly. In his posthumously published The Crypto
Terrestrials, the late mac Toni's hypothesized that the UFO entities abducting humans were hidden
Earth based species rather than extraterrestrials hailing from a distant star system. Years earlier,
in his examination of alien contact phenomena, the late great occult writer Colin
Wilson had presented similar musings. He said, perhaps some semi supernatural beings with
whom we unknowingly share the Earth, have been abducting humans since the beginning of
history. The idea of a secretive humanoid race living parallel to us is of
course central to fairy law. In other words, It's Islands to Arthur de
Danan, Many say that Island's fairies are actually this earlier race force underground.
When the Gaelic people arrived from what is now Spain. Either in defeat or
through an impasse, the Tuatha de Danan retreated and took occupancy of the subterranean
hidden the world. The new human invaders remained in the sunlit reality above.
Some anthropologists have suggested that this mythology might be based on the genuine defeat of
a Stone Age Aboriginal race native to the Islands who were forced into hiding by
Iron Age invaders. Similarly, Iceland's Huldefolk, the Hidden People, a name
which is almost a direct translation of Tony's term. Crypto terrestrials are also said
to live alongside, but usually out of sight, of the islands above ground
residents, as do that nation's elves, who were sometimes distinguished from the Hulda
folk as appearing less human, or sometimes taken as being the same. The
Hulda folk, like Islands fairies, are known to kidnap and interbreed with humans.
There is a psychological and intellectual comfort in recognizing the similarities between aliens and
their fairy antecedents. There's also safety there, so recognizing the similarities makes us
feel like we have paid attention to the phenomenon and placed it into a longer
and broader mythological tradition. But it also kinds of kind of lets us move
on, So okay, mystery solve. But of course, just recognizing the
similarities, no matter how deft such comparative analysis may be, actually solves nothing.
So for the next few minutes, joining me in discarding the comparative folklore
safety net and following Tony's lead, let's extend our analysis beyond the now trite
proclamation that contemporary aliens are just a psychological reimagining of the fairies in space age
Garb. Instead, consider that people encountering alien humanoids today may be interacting with
the other crowd, the fairies of old unawares. And I mean this here
in this thought experiment, in a literal sense. These beings still startling us
in deep woods and lonely fields, dark back roads, and our bedsides are
the same supernatural race chronicled in folklore. They have been interacting with our species
since prehistory. And contrary the assertions of ancient alien theorists and other UFO believers,
it wasn't our ancestors blinded by cultural buyers who mistook ets as supernatural bees
beings. Rather now, our forefathers had a far deeper, more comprehensive and
immediate understanding of these beings than those raised in modernity and beyond. So to
suggest that our ancestors were somehow more ignorant than we are when it came to
such dealings is ridiculous. Instead, UFO witnesses from the latter twentieth century onwards,
mesmerized by science fiction popularizations of alien visitors, transposed their space age beliefs
under a much older, but still present reality. And perhaps the fairies themselves
were happy to reshape the workings of their glamour in accordance with modern man's techno
sci fi predilections, and according to Tiny's modern experiences may have been helped in
their delusions by the cryptoterrestrials themselves. He cites examples of UFO abductees seeing what
look like discarded costumes, implying that the aliens were hurried to complete some theatrical
demonstration for the experience, one designed to mislead the human subject to their alleged
extraterrestrial origins. Perhaps that might be the case, but remember the fairi's power
of glamour, while not discarding Chinese's point, to which we will return in
a If we are still dealing with the fair folk, the lack of physical
tells to their illusions is meaningless. We are talking about a supernatural species who
were defined by indeed named from their variability to mess with our senses. Streeber
himself has oft wondered if the visitors may not be the fair folk of old,
maybe there really is another species living upon the earth. He mused in
Communion, a True Story, which was his debut on the alien abduction scene,
and he wrote the Fairies, the gnomes, the Sliff's vampires, goblins
who attached to reality along a different line than we do, but who know
and love us as we do. The wild things in the woods. Of
related interest, but perhaps a dead end, and certainly one that I don't
believe has ever been pursued. In Transformation, Streeber's follow up book, he
references a then unpublished paper which apparently remains unpublished to this day, at least
I can't find it, written by one Leonard Keane called Celtic Factor Red.
I'd say Celtic Factor read the Celtic spelt with the K so Celtic or Celtic
factor read allegedly demonstrated that not only that large numbers of visitor encounters were reported
by people of Celtic background, but determined the language and names of the aliens
in such high profile abductions as the Betty Andreasen account or iterations of Gaelic.
Of course, this tantalizing implication, at least for me, is that the
visitors of the fairies. After all, what culture is more associated with fairy
faith than the Gaelic. When we start to suspect that the aliens of today
are the fairies of old, our social conditioning makes it difficult not to slide
towards positive as explanations. As creatures of modernity and postmodernity, we almost can't
help but literalize, and by that I mean physicalize this realization. We seem
unable to imagine that the fairy and slash aliens, if real, are not
bound by the same physical laws that constrain us. Indeed, even for Tiny's
this seems inescapable. Hence the need to find physical hints and proof of how
the crypto terrestrials engineered their deceit. So he talks about props built like flying
sources and discarded costumes and the like, but Tinese literalization and physicalization was mild
compared to some others. While asserting this fairy origin of modern ets, many
can't help but slide towards ancient astronaut theory. So the Tuatha da Danan,
while a genuine prehistoric race, must have been of extraterrestrial origin according to some.
For example, according to Lars Bergen, who I believe is a pen
name for Sharon Dela Rose in the book Nordic Aliens and the Fairies of Ireland,
the fairies are likely the ancestors of the Nordic Aliens, who, in
contact people belief are still visiting Earth today. Their powers were technologically based,
and Bergen or Delao's rights, the Tuatha da Danan utilized technology which included flying
machines, self navigating speedboats with voice recognition and GPS systems, revolving castles,
cloaking technology, personal invisibility, human cloning, memory manipulation, and so on
and so on and so on. This idea that to Art, the Dadan
and the fairies were actually technologically astute and that's what gave them the powers.
Now, ignoring the key tenon of fairy faith that much of what the good
people show us, including their fabulous abodes, is just an illusion. Della
Rose added they lived in In addition to subterranean palaces, the gentry lived in
self castles on land, some of which could revolve or were suspended in the
air, and they also lived under water. YadA, YadA, YadA.
So the point is traditional fairy faith understood that this presentation of grand castles was
just glamour, while people today can't help but take that literally and they have
to almost physicalize it and make it like there were science fiction tropes that existed
that back then. We'll move onto another ultraterrestrial fairy type theorist now, and
in his recent paper on ultraterrestrial models, Atchi Putov posits a similar hypothesis,
even more sober terms, and I would suggest that some of Putov's hypothesis really
is worth considering. You can find online if you just google ultraterrestrial models.
Hi Putoff. Taking the term ultra terrestrial, first introduced by Ivan Sanderson and
later popularized by John Kiel, Putov establishes a new definition, and kill never
intended the title to refer to literal beings as a some type of alternative to
extraterrestrials, but rather as a literary device, and many have ignored Kill's point
on this, but Poutov instead uses it in a very literal sense to refer
to one or more of the following. And this is what he describes ultra
terrestrials as possibly le bling, being an ancient occult group an isolated prediluvial high
tech society. I either shave a mystery which we'll get to in a minute,
stranded ets or gods sequested terrestrial cultures existing alongside this indistinct stealth. While
some of this is worth considering, it extends beyond the frame of our immediate
focus on the fairfolk. Putov's model, like Della Roses, imagines the cry
terrestrials as technologically advanced if now Earth bas extraterrestrials or something similar. This shares
much with ancient astronaut theory and the type of ideas posited by Richard Shaver and
Raymond Palmer in the mid nineteen forties, which again is the documentary I'm making
at the moment. Go to the Shaver Mystery dot com and going like the
Facebook page that will take you to thank you, And so they were talking
about a prediluvial space faring civilization as well, still existing on Earth in hidden
subterranean caverns, and all such ideas take the literal approach that crypto terrestrials are
not supernatural, even if our ancestors who interaction, whose interactions with them were
far more regular than ours are, and they identified them as so. Rather,
our hidden neighbors today are reimagined as futuristic peoples or extraterrestrials, and all
the magic, the glamour and wonder of these beings is discarded, to be
replaced by science fictionalization of their powers. Eddie Lenihan, who I adore and
perhaps the world's greatest living folklorist and certainly its greatest living collator, collector and
teller of modern phiry's, lamented that traditional fairy faith and perhaps the experiences themselves,
were likely to be subsumed in just such a way as there have been.
He wrote, I am sure that it will not cannot survive under the
immense pressures and distractions of modern Irish life. And he's talking about fairy faith
now under a different guys, maybe, but not as fairy belief, And
what a tragedy that will be. For if the modern need for things above
and beyond the mundane, the merely explainable by science or whatever, is to
continue to thrive, as no doubt it will. How much more fitting that
should be part of Irish culture, the one that is immeasurably old and instinctively
recognizable, rather than as a belief in aliens or extraterrestrials merely from other parts
of our galaxy or beyond. Now, fairy law has often posited the gentry
as belonging to an earlier error, And according to such wisdom, the fairies
are really rarely seen in current times, and current times are going back to
stories being told in that like that nineteenth century that was current time, saying,
but truth be told, our good neighbors never left us. They never
will in those places where remnants of older folk belief linga people still encounter them,
being yet unchanged by the ever encroaching demystification of modernity. Yet what are
those sad regions where inhabitants no longer believe, Places where once potent folk memories
regarding a coexistent supernatural race are now dismissed as folly or worship forgotten. Let's
be honest, that's most of the Western world, and in these amnesiac landscapes,
Eddie's warnings for Ireland have long since come to pass. But the fair
folks still appear to us only in a guise which matches our modern expectations.
Egged on by science fictional imaginings, ancient astronaut literalizations, and eupology's pale offerings,
they now work their glamour to weave space age delusions so you can almost
hear their mischievous voices, still refusing to be ignored. You expect us to
appear as space aliens and flying sources. Okay, then space aliens and flying
sources is what you'll get. But whatever deception they weave, whatever visage they
done, our good neighbors allow one truth to resonate down through the centuries.
We are not the race of Adam. Now let me just quickly check if
anybody is here. Thank you for everybody who's popping in. Horace, kindly,
says Dean. You definitely need to finish his book. A few,
if any others can bring to the subject. Your breath and depth of knowledge,
combined it with long thinking, well, thank you so much for that.
Horace. Ed Schultz asks who he's a regular guest on the show and
was once known as a psychic priest and is also a very skilled hypnotherapist.
Asks what place do dreams have in all of this? That's a very good
question, ed and something I deal with a little more elsewhere, and something
I will consult with you on, because I know you're quite conscious of that.
Flat Rockland says, just God here, great topic, Dean, and
as sixty. Who is Jay Katz or Aspasia his lovely wife who they do
the show on the un top of radio network, which you were watching or
listening to this on now down South Anomalies, which is fantastic, He says,
running like catch later, respect to all, Happy New Year, may
be so safe and profound. And he said Thomas Eddie Bullard the myth and
Mysteries of UFOs. I mentioned Ballard before, and he says, Dean,
thank you, so it's wonderful to have you there. I normally kill it
within an hour, but because I was because they stuffed up before when my
sound was off for a little bit, I am going to continue. I'm
going to have to cut it a little bit shorter though anyway, and the
next part of my presentation is called Dell dead Men Tell No or rather dead
men tell Tall Tales and the famoush Swedish mystic emmanual Swedenborg wrote, when spirits
begin to speak with a man, he must be aware that he believed nothing
that they say, for nearly everything they say is fabricated by them, and
they lie. For they if they are permitted to narrate anything as what heaven
is and how things in the heavens are to be understood, they would tell
so many lies that a man would be astonished. Again. Mystics for a
long time and commentators for a long time have been conscious of the type of
deceit which we're talking about tonight, of things presenting themselves not as they are,
and saying things that aren't necessarily true. This and I can't go through
it all, but this section is about, obviously dead men tell tales,
a connection between death and the USO phenomenon, and again, famous abductee and
author Whitley Streeber and his wife Anne Streaber both came to the conclusion that the
alien abduction phenomenon and the visitors had something to do with death. Similarly,
psychologist and near death experience expert Kenneth Ring wrote extensively about the commonalities between the
abduction experience and near death experience, and I would suggest anybody who's interested in
this aspect, which we don't have time to touch on really tonight, I'd
suggest looking at Joshua Cutchen's excellent Ecology of Souls, where he looks at not
just UFOs in connection with death and the death experience in the afterlife, but
also paranormal phenomena in phenomena in general. It's a fantastic book, and while
I touch on a lot of those things in this chapter, I think Kutchem's
book will remain the high points in analysis and academia and thinking on this topic
now, I'm going to briefly hit on one last part and then I might
have to wind up. And this is a part I call no truth in
Them. So we are dealing, when we're talking about the UFO phenomenon,
with something that appears in the blink of an eye and disappears just as quickly.
It wakes us from our slip. It can terrify, it can mesmerize,
it can appear as night marriish goblins or angelic space brothers. It can
appear as our own dead. It can be visible or invisible. It tricks
our senses like the fae. It tells us half truths or universal truisms,
truisms like a cold reader or a back alley psychic, knowing just what to
whisper to convince the susceptible of its omniscient Sometimes, like the devil himself,
the lies. It tells outright falsehead falsehoods, but packaged in clever ways that
appeal to our weaknesses and vanities, messages or messages that flatter, persuade,
and then convince. When the UFO phenomenon, or more to the point,
UFO occupants the alleged ets posit any type of philosophy or religion, it reflects
the New Age beliefs that wind their way back through theosophical posturings and other religious
traditions that are hostile to traditional Christianity and Judaism and biblically centered doctrine. It's
probably worth reiterating that the phenomenon itself hurts people, injures people, rapes people,
and sometimes kills people, so it's difficult not to use the term demonic
when describing large swathes of alien abduction reports. Something very strange is going on
in the relationships that the lot between some of these beings and the people who
encountered them. Many abductees downplay or ignore physical harm perpetrated against them, and
as we will see, some contactees follow commands sent to them by their et
by the ets, even to their own death. Others like famed abductee Whitley
Streeber, and I have to be careful how I say this, because it's
a family friendly show. So let's just say he was interfered with so violently
by his visitors and in such a horrendous manner that, in his sixties,
decades after that experience took place, he still complains in his writings about the
physical scarring he was left with. But yet still, somehow Streber manages to
assure his readers that this was all somehow for his own enlightenments. And it
seems to me at least he, like many others, have submerged good sense
beneath a weird and heady blend of Stockholm syndrome and sometimes self appointed or perhaps
that should be elf anointed shamanism, and others like nineteen sixty contact d channeler
and cult leader Gloria B who was the wife of aircraft designer William H.
Bird, literally starved herself to death by following instructions given to her by her
mentor from Jupiter. No matter though another contact e cult soon started channeling her
spirit and claimed she was happy and living on the other side. Twenty odd
years later, Laverne Landis, a mother of five, froze to death waiting
for the Space Brothers as instructed to her by her telepathic et overlords. She
sat in a car near Moonlake, Minnesota, in a month long vigil before
finally succumbing to sub zero temperatures. Needless to say, the benevolent alien has
never arrived. Her dehydrated, starved, and half frozen companion, Gerald Flack
escaped the same fate by crawling a quarter mile through freezing snow. John Kill
noted how destructive such contacts could be for those who underwent them Streamer, along
with other experiences running the gamut from contact, these and abductees have often been
dismissed as manipulative charlatans or deluded simpletons, or a mix of the two.
But maybe it's they who've been manipulated regardless since that November evening in nineteen fifty
two when Georgia Dampski ignored biblical prescriptions and the Biblical prescription of course, and
Keel talks about this, who wasn't a Christian? Is Matthew twenty four,
twenty six, And it says, wherefore, if they shall say to you,
behold, he is in the desert, go not forth. So don't
go into the desert to meet to meet Massiahs basically, but anyway, again
it's point Qill brought up. And when George A. Dampski ignored this biblical
prescription and wandered into the California desert to commune with his space massige, the
narratives he returned with have rightly been questioned, particularly A. Dampski when he
started to sell books and other contact e'es. He started to sell books,
I begin you age religions and seemingly profiteed from set experiences. But again I
suspect the root of some of this might have been in a genuine experience.
They might have been deceived themselves. And one such example as Edward billy Meyer,
the One Armed Swiss Contact d He founded a religion based on his contact
with the Pleajarins also known as the Palladians, and is often referred to in
the UFO parlance as the Nordics. Meyer's alien friends true to the mold,
dating back to a damp skin through theosophies assended masters. The biblical descriptions of
fallen angels of light appear as beautiful ethereal beings with skin so pale and so
perfect that approach luminescence. Their mission is to guide Earth and its spiritual evolution,
in direct opposition to earth based religions and the detrimental effect they have had
on the development of the human spirit. Myers perhaps best known for his rather
stunning photographs, which I think probably hopxes are flying sources or beamships, as
they are allegedly called. According to Maya, the primary plejar in contact is
an entity named Semjaz. Another contact e, the American Fred Bell, also
claims contact with this same being, Semzaji, one with whom he's also has
implied he had a sexual relationship with. Now here's the weird rub. Semjaz
is almost identical to the name of the lead fallen angel Watch your antagonist in
the apocryphal Book of Enoch. And I remember being shocked when I first read
Mys and Bills and Bill's accounts because I'd read already. Looked at the Book
of Enoch at university and I went, these names are the same. Other
people have since or before discovered it. But when I first saw it,
it jumped out of the page at me, is like, why are these
contactees having contact with the lead fallen Angel of Enoch. It seemed just so
weird when I read when I finally read those books after reading the Book of
Enoch. And of course, the Book of Enoch fills in the details of
the narrative, which is only mentioned in passing in one of the Bible's most
controversial and fascinating passages, and that's Genesis six one to five, which says,
and it came to pass when men began to multiply in the face of
earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw
the daughters of men, that they were fair, and they took the wives
of all which they chose. And the Lord said, my spirit shall not
always strive with man, for that he also is flesh. Yet his days
shall be one hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in
those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in
under the daughters of men and they bear children to them, the same became
mighty men, which were of old men of renowned. Now recently, in
the past decade plus, the late Michael Hiser, perhaps Christianity's greatest public intellectual
of our time, has spent much time rehabilitating the importance of that passage as
well as Enoch for modern Christianity, because it's not talked about often in churches,
so we don't have a whole lot of time left. But it seems
like a passage that can just be overlooked and might have nothing to do with
the UFO belief. But if the type of cosmology that hires a very convincingly
puts forward as being based on Biblical texts in his books like The Unseen Realm,
the nature of the spiritual realm might be very different and might be far
more complicated and might take into account some of the types of things that we
see reported in UFO belief. And there probably isn't a whole lot of time
for me to keep going down all of these rabbit holes but what I will
say is none of these things might be true, and none of them are
necessarily in completely mutually exclusive. For example, one popular version of fairy faith
of the origin of the fairies is that they were the fallen angels. Similarly,
the idea of the watchers or these beings keeping us, you know,
in check on Earth, fits very well into some Gnostic beliefs about the Arkhans
that keep us trapped. So they're not that they might seem disconnected some of
the points that I've made, but I don't think that they are necessarily as
far apart as they at first seen. I do think it's I do think
it's worth before either dismissing the UFO phenomenon or before wholeheartedly ex being the popular
et type explanation, that it's worth taking into account some of these older antecedents.
And again I think that doesn't mean I don't think most of UFO belief
isn't misidentification or a whole bunch of UFO belief is it just engineered by popular
culture like I suggested in here, and then people see venus or something and
think it's a flying saucer. And again, a lot of this might be
the result even of the type or much of the belief might be the result
of the type of government psyops of the Paul Benowitz affair. So I'm not
saying every aspect of UFO belief might be some of these more occult manifestations which
I've talked about, but I think some of the weirder ones are worth looking
at within that kind of construct. Now, I'll have a very quick look
at any other comments. Flat Rockland says Daimonic Reality touches on it a bit.
I believe that's an excellent book by Patrick Harper. Everybody should read Daimonic
Reality. Who has any interest in UFOs or the paranormal Bob Antone talks about
the Hailbop cult, so that's Heaven's Gate. There's another one, so yes,
there's certainly these ideas did drive people to do all kinds of all kinds
of things. Jacats or Aspasia says it may not be true. Indeed,
the similarities are intriguing, and that's my only intention to make people think perhaps
a little bit outside of the box. So if anybody hears this presentation later
or wants to message me anything, they think about it. Because I'm still
workshopping an awful lot of this, and I would love to have anybody's feedback.
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