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The paranormal, zefos, monsters,
mysteries that you're listening to Talking Weird and

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know from a Kevin deep in the
northwards your host, Doctor Dan Bertram.

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Well, greetings to all my fellow
widows and widows. Happy New Year to

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you all, and thank you for
joining me on Talking Weird for the Untold

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Radio Network. It's lovely to see
many of the Joes and some personal friends

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of mine in the chat. I
appreciate everybody who is here. I will

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we get two questions and comments in
the chat, probably in chapters tonight.

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For those of you who didn't read
the show notes. It's just me solo.

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I'm going to be kind of work
shopping and going over a chapter in

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a book I've been working on for
a long time about UFO belief and also

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about the nature of UFOs and the
UFO phenomenon. It's based partly on my

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PhD dissertation on American UFO belief,
but while that was more of a social

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history about what people believe, this
book lets me be a little bit I

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suppose crazier and drift into some more
hypothetical things that frankly I couldn't have got

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away in the History Department of the
University of Sydney, and perhaps for good

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reason, because, as we all
know, despite people claiming to be experts

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on the UFO topic, none of
us really know anything except perhaps we can

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record it historically and perhaps we can
take some somewhat educated guesses at what the

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phenomenon is. So if you ask
a question, I will get back to

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it. I'm going to check back
between sections of the presentation that I'm about

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to do, and between each one, I'll go back and see, Okay,

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somebody's had a question, Okay,
can or okay? You know who

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else is in the chat tonight,
Nancy or Horace or Ed or anybody who's

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likely watching or listening or anybody who's
never jumped into the chat before, feel

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free to ask me some questions and
comment on what I'm suggesting. I'm actually

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I'm not really working on this book
much at the moment. I'm so busy

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with my documentary on Richard Shaver and
Ray Palmer called The Man Who Invented Flying

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Sources, which you can go and
check out at the shavemistery dot com,

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which will take you to the Facebook
page. That I don't have a whole

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lot of time to work on the
book, but the book sitting there,

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and occasionally I pull it out and
have a little bit of a look at

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it. And this is one of
the chapters that I think about the most

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when I'm not actually working on it. So I suppose with that, thank

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you everybody for joining us, and
let's jump right in. I started that.

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I start this with a quote from
GK. Chesterton, which I think

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is kind of telling this chapter.
So when I read it to you realize

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that I agree with him. He's
talking about spirits here. I think he

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had some experiences with the paranormal and
seances and the like, but I think

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it applies equally to the UFO phenomenon. And Chesteren wrote whether it is produced

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by some subconscious but still human force
or by some powers, good, bad,

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or indifferent, which are external to
humanity, I would not myself attempt

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to decide. The only thing I
will say with complete confidence about that mystic

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and invisible power is that it tells
lies. And I think the theme of

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deception runs throughout not only the book
I'm working on, particularly this chapter,

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but my general thoughts about the UFOs
as anybody who watches this show regularly or

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listens to me on any other shows. I take a lot of it,

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not at face value, but I
suspect that we're being lied to. And

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this chapter isn't about what some of
you have heard me talk about regarding the

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type of deception which is spun by
the intelligence community. This is more about

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if we think there's an actual phenomenon, If there is a phenomenon which isn't

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a human intelligence, what could it
be? Anyway? It starts with this

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chapter, or this section anyway,
which I called a clown called Funbo.

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Imagine you're a child playing in a
suburban yard. A van pulls up on

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the street. Out front, A
friendly looking clown dressed in a rainbow of

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colors leans out the driver's window.
Hey kid, I'm Funbo, the clown,

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exclaims the smiling harlequin. I've got
a bunch of puppies and kiddies and

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candy in the back. We're all
driving to my home in Disneyland for a

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special party. Jump in. It's
going to be fun. Would it be

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a good idea to trust Funbo and
get into his cripper van? Hopefully,

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when you were a child, your
parents had warned you about strangers and if

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you now have children, hopefully you
profer similar advice to your own offspring.

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I had a fun bow type in
cown to myself, and I was a

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boy, and the driver wasn't dressed
like a clown. But my parents had

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warned me enough about such monsters,
regardless of whatever deceitful guys they were wearing.

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So I ran back towards my house, yelling for help, and the

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predator sped away. And if I
hadn't been warned, maybe I wouldn't be

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here talking to you all the day. Now, imagine, though, for

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a sickening moment, that a boy
was taken by Funbo, fortunate enough to

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later escape or be released, and
then told his parents about his abuser.

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Would anyone think that the child had
been abducted by a clown whose drivers whose

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driver's license read named Funbo the Clown
addressed thirteen thirteen Disneyland Drive an I'm California,

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ZIP code nine two eight zero two. Now, of course they wouldn't

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think that, But let's even pull
that in counter back a level. Just

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imagine a creepy guy address as a
clown, approaching kids playing at a local

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park, introducing himself as Funbo the
clown from Disneyland. No abduction this time,

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just unsettling encounters with this weird clown. Now, if some of the

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children later told their parents, and
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the authorities, the police, sure
as heck wouldn't start canvassing Disneyland for a

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resident clown named Funbo. Instead,
they'd work towards finding out the real identity

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of the potential predator behind the makeup
and where he really came from. Now,

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I want you to do a little
thought experiment with me while we're here.

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So now, since we're playing,
let's imagine, let's extend it a

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little bit. Now, imagine that
you're entering a different and a more anomalous

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landscape. Picture driving along a back
road tonight. Your car's headlights are all

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that illuminate the rural darkness. That
is, until a bright light in the

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sky catches your attention. The light
follows your car. You see it land

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in a roadside field. It's a
classic source of shaped object. You even

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watch as diminutive humanoid occupants eggsit the
craft. It's all very strange and troublesome.

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It bothers you, this intrusion into
your reality when you were a child,

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your parents and teachers had warned you
about stranger danger. But neither in

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childhood nor in adulthood had you been
advised on how to deal with such an

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experience, nor will you warn of
the dangers that it could pose. As

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we will see, older folk laws
did prepare people for such dealings, and

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many of these traditions, like Ireland's
fairy faith, also cautioned that things seen

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or experienced when encountering the encountering the
other crowd by either fairies, it might

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not be real. Everything could be
an intentional deception when you encounter the fairies

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a shiny fairy much as be a
dank cavern. The magnificent feast served within

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no more than piles of horse done
its beautiful and ethereal residents could be disguised

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old hags and grotesque goblins. And
we'll talk more on the fair folk and

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their glamour later as we're chatting tonight. But the point to take away from

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this now is this, if you
were raised in the fairy faith of the

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Emerald Isle, you would have known
not to trust what the good neighbors told

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you or showed you, just as
a modern child well schooled in stranger danger

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knows not to trust the buttery promises, nor a wholesome facade of a pedophile

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and a creeper van. But your
modern outlook knows no alternative but to literalize

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an anomalous encounter. So you take
it at face value. Seeing is believing,

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right. You know what you saw, and what you saw was an

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advanced metallic craft from a distant world
carrying its extraterrestrial crew on an interplanetary mission

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of this planet. Decades of sci
fi imagery and popular tropes that already set

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you up to reach this conclusion.
Now, if you tell your story to

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a sympathetic ear, perhaps to a
friend who is into UFOs or a civilian

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UFO research group, chances are your
pop culture infused interpretation will only be affirmed

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and validated. Worse still, imagine
that your experience on that dark byway keeps

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niggling away at you. Okay,
it's memory gives you no peace. It

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turns out that your unexpected encounter with
the unexplained it shook you at a deep

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and existential level. Maybe you start
to have trouble sleeping, or your nightmares

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become focused on that weird event,
or you become fearful of driving at night,

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so you decide to seek out a
mental health professional who deals with these

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type of UFO experiences. And when
you mention your decision or your UFO hobbyist

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friend, he recommends someone he saw
lecturing about alien contact at a paranormal conference.

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Alternatively, you might hear a sympathetic
sounding hypnotherapist on a light late night

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radio show or a podcast like this
one talking about helping people come to grips

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with their close encounters. Perhaps,
in your ever encompassing research efforts to make

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sense of your experience, you discover
a book which that same hypno therapists wrote

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on the topic, Or maybe if
you contacted a civilian UFO group, they

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refer you to this hypnotherapist. At
any rate, we've already well, I

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already in other parts of the book, have looked where at where this is

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likely to end, and I've talked
about it on multiple episodes of this show,

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The Dangers of Hypnosis. Our regular
listener and guest on this show,

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Ed Schultz, who's a trained hypnotherapist, will warn you about the dangers of

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using hypnosis to recover these type of
memories as well. And so sure enough,

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after you've had some hypno regression sessions
with said therapist, you now know

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that you're an alien abductee and your
one brief brush with the numinus ends up

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changing your life, your beliefs,
and your very concepts of self and reality

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forever. Okay, so that little
imaginal game we were playing is over but

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now, But it's an accurate encapsulation
of the process framing many such real life

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experiences and how an initial event can
ferments and mushroom in the experience of psyche,

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often with external help. So let's
be clear, and this isn't a

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popular thing to say in the community
which many of us exist in. Affirming

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the proclamations and visitor visage is presented
by an unknown phenomenon to a UFO experience

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experience, it's about as helpful as
agreeing with the Funbo victim that his abductor

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was a clown who lives in Disneyland. The flip side, of course,

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is that if there was a genuine
experiential basis to a particular UFO experience,

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then telling the experience so that her
encounter was just a figment of her imagination

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might be as damaging as telling a
victim of our theoretical clown predator that he

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had simply imagined his abuser, because, after all, we know that there

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is no such thing as a Pederius
clown called Funbo who lives in Disneyland,

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just as many of us tracking the
history of the UFO phenomenon doubt that Zeta

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reticulans of visiting and kidnapping earthlings.
So tonight's presentation is going to kind of

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be put together in the spirit of
if this is real, then what is

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it? By which I mean if
some close encounters do have an external conscience,

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conscious agency, what then is that
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Now? A plethora of UFO books
authored by die hard proponents of the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis as certain to know what
the agency is behind the flying source of

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phenomenon I humanoid extraterrestrial visitors. At
best, such authors have little more than

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anecdotal evidence to support their conclusions,
namely testimony from UFO witnesses or experiences,

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often prompted or reinterpreted by the authors
themselves, claiming that the beings encountered were

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extraterrestrials. It's kind of like if
a researcher in our Funbo allegory, interviewed

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the boy abducted by Funbo, and
then, based on the lad's recollections,

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wrote a book asserting the existence of
Disneyland's Pederis Clown. Now, to be

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clear, if there is a conscious
external agency behind the UFO experience, I

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don't know myself with any degree of
certainty what it is, but I can

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say with a higher degree of certainty
what it is not now. In both

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my PhD and my master's thesis,
and multiple times on this show and on

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other people's shows, I traced that
this almost ubiquitous belief that UFO some metallic

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extraterrestrial spaceships gradually emerged in the late
forties into the early fifties and became inseparable

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from the period science fiction tropes and
social concerns. This new mythology was further

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developed by hoaxes, intelligence operations,
and dubious pseudotherapeutical practices which we were mentioning

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before, all the while shifting and
keeping pace with powerful cultural undercurrents. So,

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whatever the phenomenon is, the UFO
phenomenon, it isn't what the X

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files type UFO belief has taught us. It isn't part of some cosmic conspiracy

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involving extraterrestrial hybridization programs and MJ twelve
style shadow government reverse engineered flying sources an

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underground basis shared by aliens in the
US military, Unless that is, the

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hoaxes and spin and confabulations and cultural
currents and science fiction tropes all just fell

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into perfect alignment and mirrord the exact
reality of the phenomenon, which to meliately

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seems pretty unlikely. That said,
if there is a conscious non human agency

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behind the flying sources, it could
be an extraterrestrial force playing its own deceptive

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game, in which case it might
behave in the way it would expect us

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to believe that it would behave.
So it may be an extraterrestrial force.

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But we're also going to we're going
about to look at that now what that

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could mean. But also in the
spirit I suppose of the terrible story of

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Funbo and with the idea of a
fun bow lineup, just imagine that there

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might be some other suspects that are
a little closer to home and a little

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more in line with some long reaching
traditions and beliefs about non human intelligences and

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We'll get to that after we look
at the extraterrestrial model, but first I

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might jump in and see if anybody
has any questions. Horace Smith, Professor

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emeritus of astronomy and Physics at Michigan
State University, says, the clown has

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a humany of terrible motivation. Understanding
the motivation and of an ELF or UFO

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inhabitant is harder unless perhaps it comes
from the human consciousness. That's an excellent,

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excellent, excellent point, and I
agree with it. That's why it's

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even more difficult to determine some of
this. So let's jump into the extraterrestrial

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intelligence possibility, or what I think
it might mean if it is extraterrestrial.

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Now, our concept of extraterrestrial life
has been molded and remolded by over a

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century worth of science fiction, along
with thousands of UFO reports chronicled by rioters

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and documentarians from the nineteen forties to
the present. In fact, if you

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look at Charles Fort, this goes
back even further. It goes another twenty

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years backwards, and Chris Aubeck and
his recent excellent book on Flying Sources has

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pointed out that these beliefs extend even
further back, but mainly from the forties

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forward perhaps is where we get so
much of this, and even a halfway

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astute researcher who bothers to trace the
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context, we'll see how the UFO
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the general culture. Not just UFO
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the phenomena as reported by witnesses and
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current technological and culture assumptions or preconceptions. But so, the anthropogenic bias that

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sees ets is essentially human, just
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features which are slightly off or slightly
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from the Hollywood practicality that you have
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you say you have to cast people
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going to use humans, You've got
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fits on them. So it kind
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stories around aliens which are essentially the
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anthropogenic appearance nature and motives of the
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UFO law is perhaps one of the
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the expectations being reflected back to us. Now, if a genuine extraterrestrial intelligence

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is communicating with us, it may
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a shape or top or nature beyond
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limited perception, and if so,
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more palpable to human expectations i e. For the last few decades as little

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gray men. And prior to the
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little gray alien, there was an
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monsters which regaled witnesses in earlier years. I mean think of flat woods.

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It was the Frankenstein monster was popular. It was the flatwood monster. Hopkinsville.

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That was Hopkinsville Goblins. Everybody understood
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famous Pascagoula abduction. They were mummies. They were described us like mummies or

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as beautific you know, angel like
ET's Ala, Michael Rennie in the Day

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of the Earth stood Still, or
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in the other contact ees, So
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it, describe them at least more
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fiction that we were used to before
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a lot of popular culture, and
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probably be just more speculation. But
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may look and behave nothing like our
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popular consciousness, or at least most
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few minutes, when we're looking at
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get to in a minute, I
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do the experiences and exegesis of science
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to the foreground. Now we'll concentrate
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that he termed variously Valous or Zebra, and as we will see, while

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Dick imagined that Valus was a living
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that it may have been an extraterrestrial
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earth boundary reality. Now, another
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similar in nineteen sixty eight. Arthur
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A Space Odyssey and the classic Stanley
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mysterious black obelisk was able to manipulate
human consciousness and evolution. Its influenced drove

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our species ever onwards and upwards towards
the stars. Now John Kill ran with

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this idea. John Kill, of
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and one of the most significant people
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so he played with this idea in
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rather imagining the forces extraterrestrial in origin, Kill repurposed the obelisk as an allegory

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for his concept of the super spectrum, which is an impersonal energy field which

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explained most paranormal, religious, and
UFO phenomena. According to Kill. Kill

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similarly described as non human power as
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the obelisk did in two thousand and
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this is somebody outside of the UFO
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and he interpreted the film in much
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revolving around and he wrote, cold
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with mankind for incomprehensible reasons of their
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or the phil Mothmann prophecies is very
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and one resonates through this type of
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any intelligence so alien to our own
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it PK. Dix, Vowers,
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prove unknowable. It might be extraterrestrial, But the alternatives that will begin to

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examine the night are no less probable, regardless of hypothesized origin. All have

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been described as communicating with us via
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abductee and author Whitney Streiber has mentioned, and I quote from him, that

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his visitor used very few words to
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of theatrical demonstration, richly endowed with
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Keith Thompson to Thomas Ballard have noted
the seeming mythic messaging and communication embedded in

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UFO experiences, And to me,
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one side of communication designed to elicit
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It's not that our voice goes unheard
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own cultural and psychological expectations seem to
be echoed back to us. In other

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words, we are hearing ourselves in
said messages as much as we are hearing

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the other. But is the other
listening to us in return? Whatever the

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other is, is it hoping for
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slide us again towards anthropomorphism. Besides, whatever the other is, nothing suggests

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that it is listening elsewhere. In
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as a king into a great phonograph
in the sky, something that throughout human

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history has spun the same message for
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like shortwave radio sets picking up a
cryptic signal, but without the means to

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transmit a reply. Then again,
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satellite, divine, living plasma,
manifestation of the super spectrum, or something

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equally impenetrable, it could be a
waiting for a specific response from us that

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we are yet and perhaps always will
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end of that section. I'm going
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So thank you so much for Stuart
Feedback Andrews from Cinephobia Radio for listening.

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You should go and check out Cinema
Cinephobia Radio, Stuart Feedback. Andrews's

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work is fantastic. I've been listening
to him since he was on Room or

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radio decades maybe two decades ago,
I can't remember when. But he's a

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fantastic He's a fantastic broadcaster, one
of the best people I think in the

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broadcast space. Thank you so much
to Foxy Joe for the supersticker. I

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can't say how much I appreciate it. And Horace Smith asked the question would

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the rise of social media be expected
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UFOs and aliens. That's a very
good question, Horace. Maybe that's something

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I need to deal with in the
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I appreciate that feedback very very much. Now let's jump into a section as

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you'll see why it's called this.
In a minute, I called it just

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the working thing anyway is called it's
evil deems from the Republic of the matrix

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all the way down. One common
thread, weeding its subversive way through the

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history of ideas, presents us with
another model. It suggests that reality is

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not what or how we perceive it
to be. Our existence may be illusory

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or inconcert quench what we experience in
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subservient to a higher order in which
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Or we might just misinterpret existence with
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earliest and best known iterations of this
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Plato. Now, he posited that
the physical phenomena of this world were imperfect

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imitations of ideal ones. Now,
I do have a little You're going to

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have to give me a second.
I'll try to pop it up. If

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I can, I do here have
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to talk about, haven't I had
a lot of pictures, But it's going

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to slow me down if I start
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now. Now, what Plato posited
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world was imperfect imitations of ideal ones. So objects that we experience, be

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them dogs or chairs or men,
are like distorted reflections glimped in a thousand

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shards of a shattered mirror. All
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representations of an ideal form idea.
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allegory of the Cave, found in
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And every student who has ever taken
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this allegory pummeled into their heads.
And it's so ubiquitous that herein will just

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present a very brief over use.
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their entire lives confined in a cave. Therein they would chain to face the

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wall. All they could see was
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before them, falling onto the wall's
rocky surface. Those shadows were the captive's

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reality, or at least their only
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imagined that a prisoner from such a
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that he would have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the blinding

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and terrifying sunlit reality above, and
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cavern, he would appear blind and
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turn would then resist ever leaving the
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and, like contemporaneous Gnostic Christian traditions, indeed they often borrowed from each

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other. Neoplatonism conceptualized our world as
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divine forms. A thorough discussion of
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of Tonight's conversation, but from Plato
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in the history of religious and philosophical
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spiritual dualism of third century Banicheism,
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and again in seventeenth century French philosopher
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demon or evil genius, powerful enough
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was real but our own consciousness.
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the phrase you were probably familiar with. In the nineteen seventies, this

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same idea manifested in thought experiments,
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brain in a vat or laying in
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from a large computer, fooling you
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Today, the idea manifests in the
talking point that we all might exist

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in a matrix style computer simulation.
Such discussions can reach at infinite and ridiculousness

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and illustrate what is known as the
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might be nowhere near base reality.
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Musk, posit that due to the
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over the past forty years, and
projecting such advances into the near future,

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where our virtual reality experiences in said
games will become indistinguishable from reality. We

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most likely already exist insider computer generated
simulation, insider computer generated simulation inside a

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computer generated simulation, and so on. Now such thinking is reminiscent of an

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anecdote involving the Hindi myth that the
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a giant world turtle and what might
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but it's worth telling. The influential
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the world turtle cosmology by an audience
member following one of his famous lectures It's

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the old lady came up to him
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turtle world turtle story, and so
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on? And she replied a second, far larger turtle. And then James

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responded with the obvious follow up question, and what does this second turtle stand

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on, to which this elderly zealid
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But let's not throw out the concept
because of its potential to carry us

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towards fallaciousness. Plenty of ideas are
loaded with similar dangers now. In his

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groundbreaking nineteen seventy nine book Messages of
Deception, Jacques Valay introduced a potent allegory

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reminiscent of Plato's cave. He suggested
that UFO encounters are akin to the experience

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of watching a film in a cinema. While staring at the bright display projected

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onto the screen in front of them, audience members are oblivious to the real

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technology generating the imagery. That mechanism
is located in the darkness behind them,

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perched out of sight in the projection
booth. Moreover, while the images and

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story projected under the screen appear very
different depending upon what movie one goes to

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see, the technology generating the imagery
remains the same. Likewise, Varying UFO

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experiences and all kinds of paranormal experiences
for that matter, while appearing different on

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the surface, may also originate from
one root source. The projector in Valai's

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model, is part of a controls
the lay imagine said system operating like a

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thermostat, but instead of switching on
and off to regulate temperature, it might

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project intermittent UFO imagery to somehow regulate
human consciousness, so doing it engineers our

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beliefs and therefore society itself. Valay
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control system is and this is a
quote from Vlay, natural or spontaneous,

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whether it is explainable in terms of
genetics, of social psychology, or of

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ordinary phenomenon, or if it is
artificial in nature and under the power of

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some superhuman will. It may be
entirely determined by laws that we have not

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yet discovered. The suggestion that UFOs
are part of a control system might be

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a literal truth beyond even what Vlay
intended. He followed the above suggestion just

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a few pages later by qualifying,
and he said, when I speak of

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a control system for planet Earth,
I do not want my words to be

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misunderstood. I do not mean that
some high order of beings has us locked

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inside the constraints of a space bound
jail, closely monitored by psycho entities we

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might call angels or demons. I
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I do mean is that mythology rules
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which normal political and intellectual action has
no real power. Now, Contravlay,

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I'd argue that the undeniable potence of
potency of mythology and the existence of a

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higher order of intelligent beings with the
power to keep us bound in this reality

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and not concepts which require mutual exclusivity. Some intelligence operating from outside the existence

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we inhabit may be throwing control disruptors
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may appear as UFO phenomenon. Perhaps, as Valet suggested suggested, rather this

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is to engineer or regulate belief.
Or perhaps they are designed to fulfill some

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deep seated need our species has for
mystery, but never give us the answer.

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Much like fairy dust in fairy law, somebody goes into into a fairy

401
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.640
palace and comes back with some fairy
gold as proof of their experience, but

402
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.119
when they're in daylight, the fairy
gold evaporate. This always seems to evaporate

403
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:04.319
as well whenever a witness or experience
that comes back with a story. So

404
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:11.160
perhaps these anomalies interjected to our into
our system distract us from looking too closely

405
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:17.480
at the structure of the system itself. They are presented as recognizable archetypal mythological

406
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:22.119
or cultural tropes, diminutive aliens and
flying sources, Blessed Virgin Mary's relict,

407
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.880
ape man sea serpents, the ghost
of Great Art, Gertrude, and so

408
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.319
on, all of them waiving a
promissory note of paradigm shifting enlightenment, but

409
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.200
none of them ever getting close enough
for us to snatch that fable chit from

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00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:41.279
their ever morphing appendages. These projections
radiate a mysterious and mesmerizing a lure,

411
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.400
just strange and frequent enough in their
manifestations to impact human imagination and myth,

412
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yet not so incomprehensible or so regular
to cause us to throw of broader beliefs

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00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:56.240
about the nature of reality itself.
Or it could be that an external intelligence

414
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.559
is intentionally messing with the system sending
in data points designed to conflict with our

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00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:05.319
reality, and perhaps that's to get
our attention. Perhaps it's difficult to determine

416
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.240
if this interjection or injection is good
or bad. It's like a shot from

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00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.920
a doctor or a shot from an
experimenter. It could be acting with benevolent

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00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.160
malevolent or do the human mind unknowable
motives, And if we are indeed trapped

419
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.359
in such a system, one situated
below or higher existence. It would explain

420
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:28.559
why flying sources, along with other
mythic manifestations interjected into our reality from outside

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00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.119
the system, don't abide by those
physical laws that constrain the rest of the

422
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:38.200
beings and objects residing within. Think
of the hypothetical external intelligence like a computer

423
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.400
game designer. The cheap code or
god mode or easter eggs they embed in

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00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.640
the program are not bound by the
standard constraints of the simulation. So aliens

425
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.799
pass through walls, as do ghosts, bigfoot like religious apparitions can disappear in

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00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.519
a flash. None of them seem
to abide by the physical laws that constrain

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00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.359
the rest of the planet's inhabitants,
and after they pass through our reality,

428
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.200
leave nothing but the occasional footprints or
landing pod mark or blurry photo. They

429
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.759
never seem to leave any type of
conclusive physical evidence. Now, the obvious

430
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:14.519
throwaway line here about UFOs and other
anomalous phenomenon are that they are a glitch

431
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.799
in the matrix, and this confers
the concept that it's most simplistic, I

432
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.240
think because culturally we understand that a
fake, non baseline reality, as the

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00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:28.000
Matrix because of the popular film series
the same name that trilogy portrayed. In

434
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.720
fact, there's more that there are
for films now, and you have sort

435
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.880
of first three that trilogy portrayed,
or quadrology what is it? Portrayed a

436
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.119
future dystopia where human beings are physically
trapped in coffin sized pods and their comatose

437
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:45.720
bodies are harvested for energy while their
brains are plugged in a virtual reality simulation

438
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.720
of the late twentieth century world.
But the film's creators, the Wakowski Brothers

439
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:54.480
now the Wakowski Sisters, only homogenized
ideas from the long standing intellectual traditions we've

440
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.960
already talked about, from Plato through
Descartes to brain in of that thought experiment.

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00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.599
Upon the release of The Matrix,
a friend of mine in Sydney,

442
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.880
which is where I lived when those
films came out, dismissively stated as PK.

443
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.400
Dick for dummies, And while he
was flippant, he was also right.

444
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.760
So to understand PK. Dick's part
in all of this, we have

445
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.360
to go back to a day in
the nineteen seventies when Philip K. Dick,

446
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.079
arguably the most influential science fiction writer
of the twentieth century who you know

447
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.679
films like Blade Runner come from his
work. For example, he just had

448
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:29.440
a wisdom tooth removed, and he'd
ordered a painkiller from the pharmacy, I

449
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.119
believe. And when he answered the
front door, when the pharmacists came to

450
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.159
deliver it was a young woman who
was wearing a necklace with that old Christian

451
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:43.519
fish symbol hanging offered as a pandit. And Dick says that a pink beam

452
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.840
of light shot out of that pandit
and hit him right between his eyes,

453
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.519
in his forehead. And suddenly he
was aware that the reality of nineteen seventies

454
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:58.760
America was just imprinted upon a deeper, older reality. Beneath the modern veneer.

455
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.960
He could see ancient row. He
realized he was simultaneously both Philip K.

456
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.280
Dick and a gnostic Christian living that
in that period in ancient Rome.

457
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:13.000
As he famously stated in a number
of oft repeated lines in his semi autobiographical

458
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.559
novel Valus, he said, the
empire never ended, and we were all

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00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.599
living in a black iron prison.
I'm about to explain what all that means.

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00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.199
The title of the novel Valus is
an acronym for vast, active,

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00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:30.559
living, intelligent system. Elsewhere in
his writings, notably in his non fiction

462
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:36.239
Exegesis, Dick alternatively called this non
human intelligence Zebra, and within his novels,

463
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.920
Valus or Zebra appears variously as an
extraterrestrial satellite circling the Earth while beaming

464
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.880
messages to enlighten the elect a Russian
stile, and a manifestation of God.

465
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:52.039
In his Exegesis, Dick describes Zebra
as a living sentient plasma. It entered

466
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:57.519
our reality to free us from Dick's
gnostic concept of the Black Iron Prison,

467
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.880
which he abbreviated as BP or BIP. In the following passage, we see

468
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.480
a large part of where the idea
for the matrix probably clearly originated. And

469
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:10.480
so this message from Dixon, Jesus, it kind of is that dumb down.

470
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.880
I mean, this shows that the
matrix kind of is a dumb downe

471
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.639
version, at least according to my
friend who is very familiar with both Dick

472
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:22.280
and those films. So Dick said, we are not enslaved by a false

473
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.360
world, because there is no world
there. We are enslaved by a real

474
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:31.639
and evil entity which projects data contoured
to resemble a world. It is a

475
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:37.199
thing, the BEP or black iron
prison. It fires controlling stimuli signals at

476
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.360
us, which we are compelled to
respond to in fixed ways. If we

477
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.199
could see this structure as it really
is, we would see ourselves in the

478
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:51.760
midst of disinhibiting stimuli fired at us
so as to link up with internal synchrono

479
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.239
up to then inhibited circuses. The
circuits. Rather, we would see no

480
00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.960
world, but we would see a
vast structure, virtually a big black iron

481
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.880
building, totally enclosing us, just
firing signals again and again. Ittice.

482
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.159
We must serve some purpose to it, but who cares what that is.

483
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.719
It is sufficient to know that it
isn't to our advantage and we need rescue.

484
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.719
Maybe we're sources of energy to it, we help power it, But

485
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:23.599
more likely it is a gestalt bogus
and imitation of the legitimate universe organism.

486
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.679
Now, while you might be asking
what does this have to do with UFOs,

487
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.840
I'm about to get to that.
Dick's ideas can be traced to that

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00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.639
neoplatonic gnostic movements that we looked at
earlier, and a particular significance to our

489
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.679
discussion about UFOs, Dick understood that
tales from these earlier traditions, like his

490
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.639
concept than amorphous zebra or valors resemble
these Dick's words, the willow wisp,

491
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:52.760
ufo sidings and contacts and zebra has
a little of that playful, mirthful quality

492
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.199
very much. So look I am
here, know there, Look I am

493
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.119
this, know that, eg.
From the past or the future, or

494
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:05.599
another planet or alternative universe riddles and
pranks. We are being charmed and beguiled

495
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.360
and entranced, and by this process
our fear of the unknown that abates,

496
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:15.880
and also we become enthralled children,
absolutely fascinated by the emerging pattern of what

497
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:20.320
we see. Continually we are given
the option of dismissing what we are shown

498
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.320
by the master magician prankster. That's
what Dick said. So the matrix might

499
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.960
not be a bunch of comatos people
plugged or downloaded into a sinister AI program.

500
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.280
It might be a physical disconnect from
a deeper spiritual truth, a snare

501
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:39.119
which separates us from a higher divine
existence. And those mythic structures, including

502
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:44.679
UFOs, that apport in our profane
reality, might be sent from a benevolent

503
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:49.679
higher intelligence, the same intelligence which
PK. Dick labeled valors. Their purpose

504
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.440
is to help us see the ridiculousness
and contradictions of the prison that confines us,

505
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.440
and by illuminating these flaws, wake
us up. Well maybe not.

506
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.679
UFO research and occultist Alan Greenfield offers
a very different take on Valas in his

507
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:09.599
occult classic Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. Greenfield equates Valous with the gnostic demiurge,

508
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:15.920
an evil creator that has trapped mankind
in an inferior physical world, separating

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00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.679
us from higher divine reality. Valus
keeps, according to Greenfield, humanity in

510
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:25.920
a state of materialist trance and evolutionary
stagnation. Now this inverts Dick's interpretation of

511
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.440
a benevolent and messianic sentient plasma.
If Greenfield is correct, then the earlier

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00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.280
suggestion that we talked about we talked
about earlier tonight, that UFOs and their

513
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.960
anomalous cohorts are generated to keep a
psychic replicated that may be accurate. These

514
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:46.880
manifestations become the mythic equivalent of an
opioid sedative, leading our mind and spirit

515
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.719
along phantasmgorical flights of fantasy, rather
than leaving a sober enough to contemplate and

516
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:58.920
perhaps discover genuine spiritual truth. Of
course, all we have is a hypothetical

517
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.840
perspective to determine and whether such a
disrupted gatekeeper is good or evil. But

518
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.480
whatever the intention of valors, and
whatever the purpose of the sources, recognizing

519
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:12.679
that they are related to our confinement
in the black iron prison might present a

520
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.480
clue to how we can unlock our
cosmic cage. As the famous mystic Gorge's

521
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:22.800
George's Gerdrjef often proclaimed, if a
man in prison was at any time to

522
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.320
have a chance of escape, then
he must first of all realize that he

523
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.159
is in prison. So long as
he fails to realize this, so long

524
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.800
as he thinks that he is free, he has no chance whatever. So

525
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.599
thank you so much again for everybody
getting me back on track. I was

526
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:44.679
just checking to see if there are
any more questions or comments. I can't

527
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:50.199
thank you all enough. I hope
you're enjoying this little presentation, and now

528
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.559
I move on. Actually, let
me just double check again in case I

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00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.239
didn't scroll down for enough for any
questions. And thank you to the other

530
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:02.400
people who have dropped in to say
hello. Well, so This is a

531
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.079
little piece I called Not of the
Race of Adam, which is based on

532
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.760
a fairy story which I won't actually
go into tonight in the presentation because it

533
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.639
would take me too long. But
it was something that was said by a

534
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.519
fairy in Scotland. So anyone with
more than an interest in fairy law and

535
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:23.119
the UFO phenomenon can't help but see
clear parallels between the two. This realization

536
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:29.000
led Jacques for later pen his paradigm
blasting Passport to Macgonia in nineteen sixty nine,

537
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:34.559
part iconoclastic Loogie aimed at the scientific
establishment in the wake of the biased

538
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.239
Condon Report and part revelatory brainstorm.
And it's difficult to pick up a book

539
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:44.079
by any real thinker on the phenomenon
since then and not see the comparison made

540
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.320
between fairy faith and UFO law.
So whether it's Jerome Clark and Lauren Coleman's

541
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:53.079
The Unidentified, Joshua Cutchen's Thieves in
the Night, Ted Holiday and Colin Wilson's

542
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.760
The Goblin Universe, John Keells UFO
Operation Trojan Horse, Jim Brandon's The Rebirth

543
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.039
of Pan, Keith Thompson's Aliens and
Angels, as well as various academics like

544
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.840
Thomas Ballad has looked at it.
And I only mention all of those names

545
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.960
to make the point that I'm not
inventing what I'm about to tell you.

546
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.280
Now. This has been something people
have been talking about since the sixties,

547
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.119
and even I found recently Ray Palmer
and Richard Shaver were talking about it as

548
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:22.800
early as the nineteen fifties. So
it's a long tradition of thought within the

549
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:28.480
UFO community realizing the parallels between UFO
law and fairy faith. But let's examine

550
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.119
that a little bit. So.
Unfortunately, though, many in the UFO

551
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:37.519
community, including some of its most
influential players, have seemed oblivious to such

552
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.320
parallels. The documentary in Carol Rainey, the ex wife of the late Bud

553
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.719
Hopkins, pointed out that her ex
husband, along with his colleagues in the

554
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.679
alien abduction research community, and for
those of you who don't know, Bud

555
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.840
Hopkins is arguably the most important writer
and player in that space. He's past

556
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.039
now, but he dominated the scene
from the eighties through the nineties. So

557
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.960
Rainey said that had her ex husband, Bud Hopkins and his colleagues had almost

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00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:09.800
zero understanding of historical antecedents and folkl
or similarities to the modern alien abduction phenomenon.

559
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.840
I can confirm this myself, and
I had my own encounter and conversation

560
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:15.920
with Bud Hopkins at fort Fest in
ninety nine. Now, he was a

561
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.039
friendly man and I enjoyed talking to
him, but he did I believe his

562
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.400
speech was on the similarities between witch
marks or on the bodies of witches,

563
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.800
and or at least he brought it
up in this speech, I think,

564
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.880
and alien and alien abductees having marks, or maybe he just brought up the

565
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.480
alien abductees having marks, now I
think about it. I bought up to

566
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.440
him at a breakfast we had together. Don't you think there's a parallel between

567
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:45.400
these witch marks and alien abductees having
marks on their bodies? And he was

568
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.239
very very dismissive. As friendly as
he was, he was very dismissive at

569
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.119
this moment. He said, all
of this comparison with fairy stuff is just

570
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.320
bark. There's no pots of golds
at the end of alien abduction stories.

571
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.280
Well, anybody's familiar with fairy faith
those there's hardly ever a pot of gold

572
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.800
at the end of a fairy story
either, this is something we're used to

573
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.039
from lucky charm, you know,
commercials, and maybe a couple of stories

574
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.199
about leprechorns. That isn't a standard
trope of fairy faith, so he just

575
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.079
used that dismissively to shut down,
fallaciously to shut down. I think a

576
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:23.360
genuine point that there are significant similarities
between older folkloric traditions and UFO belief So

577
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:30.079
the flip side of this wilful ignorance
can manifest in another unhelpful way, though,

578
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:36.559
When discovering parallels between UFO phenomena and
previous traditions, many euthologis telescope of

579
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.360
their own modern beliefs onto the past. So they presume, with embarrassing confidence

580
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:47.679
and distasteful ethnocentrism, that previous cultures
misinterpreted visiting extraterrestrials as fairies and gods or

581
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.199
angels and demons. So they say
old or indigenousness and mythologies that mention sky

582
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.800
gods or supernatural beings descending from the
heavens, that they're definitely ETAs those ones

583
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.679
seem to excite the followists the most. You could almost hear their smugness when

584
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:07.440
they realized this similarity our primitive ancestors
were so ignorant that they mistook space aliens

585
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.360
as gods. Those of us,
living in the modern space age and plugged

586
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:16.199
into science fiction aren't bridled by such
silly culturally bound biases and presumptions. We

587
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:22.199
know those ancient visitors really interstell astronauts
and flying sources now being facetious, But

588
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.880
that's not too far removed. And
there are indeed myths of supernatural entities descending

589
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.760
from the heavens. But there are
even more tales involving non human humanoids living

590
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:36.440
here on Earth. These beings can
reside on high mountaintops or in deep caverns.

591
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.960
Often they live in or below ancient
ruins and hills. Some call the

592
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.599
oceans, seas, lakes, or
rivers their home. Others are said to

593
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:49.719
inhabit lonely forests and hidden grottoes,
and most often they visit us from a

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00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.079
place just separated from our veil by
a thin veil. All of these were

595
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:59.639
chronicled in fairy faith, and to
say encounters with such entities were frequent would

596
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:04.159
be ingenuous, But they were regular
enough that people who hadn't had their own

597
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.800
personal experience knew of someone who had
Indeed, reports still continued, perhaps with

598
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:15.039
slightly less regularity, well into modernity, and in some places even up to

599
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.360
the present day, notably in places
where folk belief in such beings were so

600
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.239
strong that it survived up until the
current day. Now, those raised in

601
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.480
such traditions have always understood the fairies
or the other crowd, or whatever they

602
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.079
would call them, in a far
more immediate and comprehensive way than we understand

603
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.880
alleged extraterrestrial visitors today. The fairies
weren't just the stuff of pop culture and

604
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:44.000
fringe belief. They were once part
of daily existence and consensus. Reality.

605
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:50.199
Protocols existed regarding how to behave should
one encounter them. Just as my parents

606
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.039
taught me how to deal with predatory
strangers, don't believe what they tell you

607
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.199
and run in the opposite direction screaming
for help, which I did, thankfully,

608
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:01.480
Previous generations were instructed on how to
avoid, or, worst case scenario,

609
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:07.360
deal with meeting a member of the
other crowd. Traveling after dark particularly

610
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:12.559
uncertain dates was a bad idea,
so the gaelicquarter days and Embolic beltane I'm

611
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.840
probably mispronouncing this. Log Dasher and
Sourn were when she journeyed between their habitations,

612
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.800
so travel on those nights was best
avoided, as were places all through

613
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.239
the year associated with the fairies,
be them fairy rings, forts, trees,

614
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.480
or other fairiesh locales. One never
wanted to catch the fairies unaware,

615
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.679
or more to the point, be
caught by the fairies while spying upon them.

616
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.000
The fair folk value their privacy and
would punish humans who infringed upon it.

617
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:43.679
This included people who had secret interactions
with the fairies, but loose leaps

618
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.400
following such dealings. I kind of
joke here, but if only such courtesies

619
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.840
were known today, we probably would
never almost ever hear about, you know,

620
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.599
so these UFO reports there certainly wouldn't
be people, you know, wanting

621
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.920
to publicize their stories quite so much. Now. The fair folk were quick

622
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.559
to anger, so one had to
be careful polite in any dealings with them.

623
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:05.280
This caution extended to even speaking about
them. Better not to. But

624
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.880
if one must, best to refer
to them with benevolent and gracious sounding titles

625
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.239
like the gentry or the good people. One should never accept any food or

626
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.000
drink which they offered. Indeed,
if someone did consume refreshments, well in

627
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:20.159
fairy land, he may never be
able to return to the land and mortal

628
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:23.360
men, although the above point about
politeness also needed to be remembered, so

629
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:29.039
one had to be very careful with
how one handled such refusals. Fairies were

630
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.119
annable to cross flowing water, and
I mean I could. We're running out

631
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.280
of time because I spoke too much. But it goes on and on and

632
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.679
on. There was just there was
everything from carrying black hand or daggers,

633
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:45.199
to hanging scissors above a baby's cradle
to using certain plants were ways to protect

634
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.679
yourself from the fair folks. So
it was entrenched in the culture of the

635
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:53.760
day. Now, so let's move
on to what I think is a key

636
00:48:53.840 --> 00:49:00.239
point, and that's about fairy glamour
and how fairy faith taught its adherents to

637
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.039
doubt what they experienced while undergoing a
fairy encounter. Now, glamour was a

638
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.280
kind of hypnotism which affects the senses
of the beholder, a mesmerism or enchantment,

639
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.440
so that things were perceived or not
perceived as the enchanter wished. So

640
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:19.239
intrinsic is this power to the nature
of the fairies that their very name came

641
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:25.280
to reflected in her Essential and Encyclopedia
and Encyclopedia of Fairies, Catherine Big summarizes

642
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:31.119
fay was the earliest form in which
the word fairy appears. It is generally

643
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.920
supposed to be a broken down version
of fortae, the fates, which in

644
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:42.119
Romance tradition became less formidable and multiplied
in number. The word fairy was originally

645
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:46.920
fairy the enchantment of the phase,
and only later became applied to the people

646
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:52.440
working the enchantment rather than the state
of the illusion. The actual word glamour,

647
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:57.119
thought to be power, also belonging
to witches, derived from the same

648
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:00.840
semantic root as grammar, and this
is a bit of a it's worth knowing.

649
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:05.119
It probably originates from the idea that
the ability to enchant came from a

650
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.159
magical incantation written in and read from
an occult manuscript or a book of spells,

651
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.920
although when using reference to the fair
folk, it implied a power and

652
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.039
nate to their race, not something
booklet. But rather than focusing on the

653
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:22.800
sometimes diminutive size of both aliens and
fairies, along with similarities between alien abduction

654
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:27.880
and fairy kidnapped, narratives like reproductive
agendas and missing time. It is this

655
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.840
off overlooked ability of the other crowd, of the fairies, their power to

656
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:36.719
beguile our senses, that should have
been the focus I think of comparative UFO

657
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:42.280
research. If an entire antecedent mythology
based the very name of its non human

658
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:46.159
denizens on their ability to enchant and
deceive us multi folk, then common sense

659
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:52.519
suggests we should have adjusted our focus
accordingly. In his posthumously published The Crypto

660
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:59.639
Terrestrials, the late mac Toni's hypothesized
that the UFO entities abducting humans were hidden

661
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:05.840
Earth based species rather than extraterrestrials hailing
from a distant star system. Years earlier,

662
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.880
in his examination of alien contact phenomena, the late great occult writer Colin

663
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:16.320
Wilson had presented similar musings. He
said, perhaps some semi supernatural beings with

664
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:21.599
whom we unknowingly share the Earth,
have been abducting humans since the beginning of

665
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.159
history. The idea of a secretive
humanoid race living parallel to us is of

666
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.119
course central to fairy law. In
other words, It's Islands to Arthur de

667
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.639
Danan, Many say that Island's fairies
are actually this earlier race force underground.

668
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:39.000
When the Gaelic people arrived from what
is now Spain. Either in defeat or

669
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:45.800
through an impasse, the Tuatha de
Danan retreated and took occupancy of the subterranean

670
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:50.880
hidden the world. The new human
invaders remained in the sunlit reality above.

671
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.639
Some anthropologists have suggested that this mythology
might be based on the genuine defeat of

672
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.880
a Stone Age Aboriginal race native to
the Islands who were forced into hiding by

673
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.719
Iron Age invaders. Similarly, Iceland's
Huldefolk, the Hidden People, a name

674
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:10.599
which is almost a direct translation of
Tony's term. Crypto terrestrials are also said

675
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.400
to live alongside, but usually out
of sight, of the islands above ground

676
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.480
residents, as do that nation's elves, who were sometimes distinguished from the Hulda

677
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.880
folk as appearing less human, or
sometimes taken as being the same. The

678
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:28.000
Hulda folk, like Islands fairies,
are known to kidnap and interbreed with humans.

679
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:36.199
There is a psychological and intellectual comfort
in recognizing the similarities between aliens and

680
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:40.639
their fairy antecedents. There's also safety
there, so recognizing the similarities makes us

681
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.239
feel like we have paid attention to
the phenomenon and placed it into a longer

682
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:50.159
and broader mythological tradition. But it
also kinds of kind of lets us move

683
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.239
on, So okay, mystery solve. But of course, just recognizing the

684
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:59.639
similarities, no matter how deft such
comparative analysis may be, actually solves nothing.

685
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.960
So for the next few minutes,
joining me in discarding the comparative folklore

686
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:09.719
safety net and following Tony's lead,
let's extend our analysis beyond the now trite

687
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:15.599
proclamation that contemporary aliens are just a
psychological reimagining of the fairies in space age

688
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:22.079
Garb. Instead, consider that people
encountering alien humanoids today may be interacting with

689
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.559
the other crowd, the fairies of
old unawares. And I mean this here

690
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:30.559
in this thought experiment, in a
literal sense. These beings still startling us

691
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.599
in deep woods and lonely fields,
dark back roads, and our bedsides are

692
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:40.440
the same supernatural race chronicled in folklore. They have been interacting with our species

693
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.840
since prehistory. And contrary the assertions
of ancient alien theorists and other UFO believers,

694
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:52.159
it wasn't our ancestors blinded by cultural
buyers who mistook ets as supernatural bees

695
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:57.199
beings. Rather now, our forefathers
had a far deeper, more comprehensive and

696
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:01.599
immediate understanding of these beings than those
raised in modernity and beyond. So to

697
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:06.840
suggest that our ancestors were somehow more
ignorant than we are when it came to

698
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:10.760
such dealings is ridiculous. Instead,
UFO witnesses from the latter twentieth century onwards,

699
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.840
mesmerized by science fiction popularizations of alien
visitors, transposed their space age beliefs

700
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:22.800
under a much older, but still
present reality. And perhaps the fairies themselves

701
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:28.199
were happy to reshape the workings of
their glamour in accordance with modern man's techno

702
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.079
sci fi predilections, and according to
Tiny's modern experiences may have been helped in

703
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:38.280
their delusions by the cryptoterrestrials themselves.
He cites examples of UFO abductees seeing what

704
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:45.199
look like discarded costumes, implying that
the aliens were hurried to complete some theatrical

705
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:51.119
demonstration for the experience, one designed
to mislead the human subject to their alleged

706
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.159
extraterrestrial origins. Perhaps that might be
the case, but remember the fairi's power

707
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.719
of glamour, while not discarding Chinese's
point, to which we will return in

708
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.079
a If we are still dealing with
the fair folk, the lack of physical

709
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.880
tells to their illusions is meaningless.
We are talking about a supernatural species who

710
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:15.000
were defined by indeed named from their
variability to mess with our senses. Streeber

711
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:20.239
himself has oft wondered if the visitors
may not be the fair folk of old,

712
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.880
maybe there really is another species living
upon the earth. He mused in

713
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.360
Communion, a True Story, which
was his debut on the alien abduction scene,

714
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.679
and he wrote the Fairies, the
gnomes, the Sliff's vampires, goblins

715
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:36.239
who attached to reality along a different
line than we do, but who know

716
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.159
and love us as we do.
The wild things in the woods. Of

717
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.880
related interest, but perhaps a dead
end, and certainly one that I don't

718
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.119
believe has ever been pursued. In
Transformation, Streeber's follow up book, he

719
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.159
references a then unpublished paper which apparently
remains unpublished to this day, at least

720
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:57.400
I can't find it, written by
one Leonard Keane called Celtic Factor Red.

721
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.360
I'd say Celtic Factor read the Celtic
spelt with the K so Celtic or Celtic

722
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:08.760
factor read allegedly demonstrated that not only
that large numbers of visitor encounters were reported

723
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:15.079
by people of Celtic background, but
determined the language and names of the aliens

724
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:19.519
in such high profile abductions as the
Betty Andreasen account or iterations of Gaelic.

725
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.719
Of course, this tantalizing implication,
at least for me, is that the

726
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.639
visitors of the fairies. After all, what culture is more associated with fairy

727
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:31.440
faith than the Gaelic. When we
start to suspect that the aliens of today

728
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:36.440
are the fairies of old, our
social conditioning makes it difficult not to slide

729
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.639
towards positive as explanations. As creatures
of modernity and postmodernity, we almost can't

730
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:45.880
help but literalize, and by that
I mean physicalize this realization. We seem

731
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:50.920
unable to imagine that the fairy and
slash aliens, if real, are not

732
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.320
bound by the same physical laws that
constrain us. Indeed, even for Tiny's

733
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:58.760
this seems inescapable. Hence the need
to find physical hints and proof of how

734
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.440
the crypto terrestrials engineered their deceit.
So he talks about props built like flying

735
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.880
sources and discarded costumes and the like, but Tinese literalization and physicalization was mild

736
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:15.719
compared to some others. While asserting
this fairy origin of modern ets, many

737
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.079
can't help but slide towards ancient astronaut
theory. So the Tuatha da Danan,

738
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:24.000
while a genuine prehistoric race, must
have been of extraterrestrial origin according to some.

739
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:28.639
For example, according to Lars Bergen, who I believe is a pen

740
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.719
name for Sharon Dela Rose in the
book Nordic Aliens and the Fairies of Ireland,

741
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:37.719
the fairies are likely the ancestors of
the Nordic Aliens, who, in

742
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:42.639
contact people belief are still visiting Earth
today. Their powers were technologically based,

743
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:47.440
and Bergen or Delao's rights, the
Tuatha da Danan utilized technology which included flying

744
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:52.800
machines, self navigating speedboats with voice
recognition and GPS systems, revolving castles,

745
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:58.920
cloaking technology, personal invisibility, human
cloning, memory manipulation, and so on

746
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:00.760
and so on and so on.
This idea that to Art, the Dadan

747
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:06.320
and the fairies were actually technologically astute
and that's what gave them the powers.

748
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.559
Now, ignoring the key tenon of
fairy faith that much of what the good

749
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:15.519
people show us, including their fabulous
abodes, is just an illusion. Della

750
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:21.840
Rose added they lived in In addition
to subterranean palaces, the gentry lived in

751
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.360
self castles on land, some of
which could revolve or were suspended in the

752
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.239
air, and they also lived under
water. YadA, YadA, YadA.

753
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:32.920
So the point is traditional fairy faith
understood that this presentation of grand castles was

754
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.599
just glamour, while people today can't
help but take that literally and they have

755
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:43.239
to almost physicalize it and make it
like there were science fiction tropes that existed

756
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:47.599
that back then. We'll move onto
another ultraterrestrial fairy type theorist now, and

757
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:53.519
in his recent paper on ultraterrestrial models, Atchi Putov posits a similar hypothesis,

758
00:58:53.559 --> 00:59:00.960
even more sober terms, and I
would suggest that some of Putov's hypothesis really

759
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:05.480
is worth considering. You can find
online if you just google ultraterrestrial models.

760
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:09.840
Hi Putoff. Taking the term ultra
terrestrial, first introduced by Ivan Sanderson and

761
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:15.599
later popularized by John Kiel, Putov
establishes a new definition, and kill never

762
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:20.239
intended the title to refer to literal
beings as a some type of alternative to

763
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.400
extraterrestrials, but rather as a literary
device, and many have ignored Kill's point

764
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:28.679
on this, but Poutov instead uses
it in a very literal sense to refer

765
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.679
to one or more of the following. And this is what he describes ultra

766
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:37.679
terrestrials as possibly le bling, being
an ancient occult group an isolated prediluvial high

767
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:39.679
tech society. I either shave a
mystery which we'll get to in a minute,

768
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:47.039
stranded ets or gods sequested terrestrial cultures
existing alongside this indistinct stealth. While

769
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.880
some of this is worth considering,
it extends beyond the frame of our immediate

770
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.360
focus on the fairfolk. Putov's model, like Della Roses, imagines the cry

771
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:01.840
terrestrials as technologically advanced if now Earth
bas extraterrestrials or something similar. This shares

772
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:07.719
much with ancient astronaut theory and the
type of ideas posited by Richard Shaver and

773
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.079
Raymond Palmer in the mid nineteen forties, which again is the documentary I'm making

774
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.719
at the moment. Go to the
Shaver Mystery dot com and going like the

775
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.800
Facebook page that will take you to
thank you, And so they were talking

776
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:22.280
about a prediluvial space faring civilization as
well, still existing on Earth in hidden

777
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:28.880
subterranean caverns, and all such ideas
take the literal approach that crypto terrestrials are

778
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.559
not supernatural, even if our ancestors
who interaction, whose interactions with them were

779
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.480
far more regular than ours are,
and they identified them as so. Rather,

780
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:43.960
our hidden neighbors today are reimagined as
futuristic peoples or extraterrestrials, and all

781
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.719
the magic, the glamour and wonder
of these beings is discarded, to be

782
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:52.639
replaced by science fictionalization of their powers. Eddie Lenihan, who I adore and

783
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:58.440
perhaps the world's greatest living folklorist and
certainly its greatest living collator, collector and

784
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:04.239
teller of modern phiry's, lamented that
traditional fairy faith and perhaps the experiences themselves,

785
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.079
were likely to be subsumed in just
such a way as there have been.

786
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.960
He wrote, I am sure that
it will not cannot survive under the

787
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:15.079
immense pressures and distractions of modern Irish
life. And he's talking about fairy faith

788
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:20.079
now under a different guys, maybe, but not as fairy belief, And

789
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.559
what a tragedy that will be.
For if the modern need for things above

790
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:27.960
and beyond the mundane, the merely
explainable by science or whatever, is to

791
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:30.920
continue to thrive, as no doubt
it will. How much more fitting that

792
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:37.480
should be part of Irish culture,
the one that is immeasurably old and instinctively

793
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:43.000
recognizable, rather than as a belief
in aliens or extraterrestrials merely from other parts

794
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:47.800
of our galaxy or beyond. Now, fairy law has often posited the gentry

795
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:52.079
as belonging to an earlier error,
And according to such wisdom, the fairies

796
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.760
are really rarely seen in current times, and current times are going back to

797
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.400
stories being told in that like that
nineteenth century that was current time, saying,

798
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:04.039
but truth be told, our good
neighbors never left us. They never

799
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:08.360
will in those places where remnants of
older folk belief linga people still encounter them,

800
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:14.800
being yet unchanged by the ever encroaching
demystification of modernity. Yet what are

801
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:20.039
those sad regions where inhabitants no longer
believe, Places where once potent folk memories

802
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:24.800
regarding a coexistent supernatural race are now
dismissed as folly or worship forgotten. Let's

803
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:30.079
be honest, that's most of the
Western world, and in these amnesiac landscapes,

804
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.920
Eddie's warnings for Ireland have long since
come to pass. But the fair

805
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:37.920
folks still appear to us only in
a guise which matches our modern expectations.

806
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:43.639
Egged on by science fictional imaginings,
ancient astronaut literalizations, and eupology's pale offerings,

807
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:46.920
they now work their glamour to weave
space age delusions so you can almost

808
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:52.400
hear their mischievous voices, still refusing
to be ignored. You expect us to

809
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.960
appear as space aliens and flying sources. Okay, then space aliens and flying

810
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.719
sources is what you'll get. But
whatever deception they weave, whatever visage they

811
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.920
done, our good neighbors allow one
truth to resonate down through the centuries.

812
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:10.119
We are not the race of Adam. Now let me just quickly check if

813
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:19.159
anybody is here. Thank you for
everybody who's popping in. Horace, kindly,

814
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:21.159
says Dean. You definitely need to
finish his book. A few,

815
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.360
if any others can bring to the
subject. Your breath and depth of knowledge,

816
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:27.159
combined it with long thinking, well, thank you so much for that.

817
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.960
Horace. Ed Schultz asks who he's
a regular guest on the show and

818
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:37.400
was once known as a psychic priest
and is also a very skilled hypnotherapist.

819
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:39.639
Asks what place do dreams have in
all of this? That's a very good

820
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:44.360
question, ed and something I deal
with a little more elsewhere, and something

821
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:45.960
I will consult with you on,
because I know you're quite conscious of that.

822
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:51.440
Flat Rockland says, just God here, great topic, Dean, and

823
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:59.000
as sixty. Who is Jay Katz
or Aspasia his lovely wife who they do

824
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:00.440
the show on the un top of
radio network, which you were watching or

825
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.719
listening to this on now down South
Anomalies, which is fantastic, He says,

826
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.239
running like catch later, respect to
all, Happy New Year, may

827
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:11.639
be so safe and profound. And
he said Thomas Eddie Bullard the myth and

828
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:14.719
Mysteries of UFOs. I mentioned Ballard
before, and he says, Dean,

829
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:16.320
thank you, so it's wonderful to
have you there. I normally kill it

830
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:20.360
within an hour, but because I
was because they stuffed up before when my

831
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:25.079
sound was off for a little bit, I am going to continue. I'm

832
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.480
going to have to cut it a
little bit shorter though anyway, and the

833
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:33.559
next part of my presentation is called
Dell dead Men Tell No or rather dead

834
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:42.000
men tell Tall Tales and the famoush
Swedish mystic emmanual Swedenborg wrote, when spirits

835
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.840
begin to speak with a man,
he must be aware that he believed nothing

836
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.920
that they say, for nearly everything
they say is fabricated by them, and

837
01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:54.159
they lie. For they if they
are permitted to narrate anything as what heaven

838
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:57.280
is and how things in the heavens
are to be understood, they would tell

839
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.800
so many lies that a man would
be astonished. Again. Mystics for a

840
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.320
long time and commentators for a long
time have been conscious of the type of

841
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:10.360
deceit which we're talking about tonight,
of things presenting themselves not as they are,

842
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:15.199
and saying things that aren't necessarily true. This and I can't go through

843
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:17.519
it all, but this section is
about, obviously dead men tell tales,

844
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:23.679
a connection between death and the USO
phenomenon, and again, famous abductee and

845
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:28.679
author Whitley Streeber and his wife Anne
Streaber both came to the conclusion that the

846
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:32.960
alien abduction phenomenon and the visitors had
something to do with death. Similarly,

847
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:41.360
psychologist and near death experience expert Kenneth
Ring wrote extensively about the commonalities between the

848
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:45.760
abduction experience and near death experience,
and I would suggest anybody who's interested in

849
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.280
this aspect, which we don't have
time to touch on really tonight, I'd

850
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:54.719
suggest looking at Joshua Cutchen's excellent Ecology
of Souls, where he looks at not

851
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:59.920
just UFOs in connection with death and
the death experience in the afterlife, but

852
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.760
also paranormal phenomena in phenomena in general. It's a fantastic book, and while

853
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:09.960
I touch on a lot of those
things in this chapter, I think Kutchem's

854
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:16.400
book will remain the high points in
analysis and academia and thinking on this topic

855
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:21.639
now, I'm going to briefly hit
on one last part and then I might

856
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:27.000
have to wind up. And this
is a part I call no truth in

857
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.480
Them. So we are dealing,
when we're talking about the UFO phenomenon,

858
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.760
with something that appears in the blink
of an eye and disappears just as quickly.

859
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:39.559
It wakes us from our slip.
It can terrify, it can mesmerize,

860
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.679
it can appear as night marriish goblins
or angelic space brothers. It can

861
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:47.480
appear as our own dead. It
can be visible or invisible. It tricks

862
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:53.159
our senses like the fae. It
tells us half truths or universal truisms,

863
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.480
truisms like a cold reader or a
back alley psychic, knowing just what to

864
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:01.599
whisper to convince the susceptible of its
omniscient Sometimes, like the devil himself,

865
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:06.639
the lies. It tells outright falsehead
falsehoods, but packaged in clever ways that

866
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:13.639
appeal to our weaknesses and vanities,
messages or messages that flatter, persuade,

867
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:17.280
and then convince. When the UFO
phenomenon, or more to the point,

868
01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:25.480
UFO occupants the alleged ets posit any
type of philosophy or religion, it reflects

869
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:30.360
the New Age beliefs that wind their
way back through theosophical posturings and other religious

870
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:39.960
traditions that are hostile to traditional Christianity
and Judaism and biblically centered doctrine. It's

871
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:45.360
probably worth reiterating that the phenomenon itself
hurts people, injures people, rapes people,

872
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.599
and sometimes kills people, so it's
difficult not to use the term demonic

873
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:57.280
when describing large swathes of alien abduction
reports. Something very strange is going on

874
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.840
in the relationships that the lot between
some of these beings and the people who

875
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:09.239
encountered them. Many abductees downplay or
ignore physical harm perpetrated against them, and

876
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.559
as we will see, some contactees
follow commands sent to them by their et

877
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:18.399
by the ets, even to their
own death. Others like famed abductee Whitley

878
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.520
Streeber, and I have to be
careful how I say this, because it's

879
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:30.000
a family friendly show. So let's
just say he was interfered with so violently

880
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.159
by his visitors and in such a
horrendous manner that, in his sixties,

881
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:40.159
decades after that experience took place,
he still complains in his writings about the

882
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:45.640
physical scarring he was left with.
But yet still, somehow Streber manages to

883
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.920
assure his readers that this was all
somehow for his own enlightenments. And it

884
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:54.319
seems to me at least he,
like many others, have submerged good sense

885
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:59.520
beneath a weird and heady blend of
Stockholm syndrome and sometimes self appointed or perhaps

886
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:04.479
that should be elf anointed shamanism,
and others like nineteen sixty contact d channeler

887
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.319
and cult leader Gloria B who was
the wife of aircraft designer William H.

888
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.600
Bird, literally starved herself to death
by following instructions given to her by her

889
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.800
mentor from Jupiter. No matter though
another contact e cult soon started channeling her

890
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:24.239
spirit and claimed she was happy and
living on the other side. Twenty odd

891
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:28.880
years later, Laverne Landis, a
mother of five, froze to death waiting

892
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:33.039
for the Space Brothers as instructed to
her by her telepathic et overlords. She

893
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:39.079
sat in a car near Moonlake,
Minnesota, in a month long vigil before

894
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:43.960
finally succumbing to sub zero temperatures.
Needless to say, the benevolent alien has

895
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:48.359
never arrived. Her dehydrated, starved, and half frozen companion, Gerald Flack

896
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:55.239
escaped the same fate by crawling a
quarter mile through freezing snow. John Kill

897
01:09:55.359 --> 01:10:00.560
noted how destructive such contacts could be
for those who underwent them Streamer, along

898
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:05.159
with other experiences running the gamut from
contact, these and abductees have often been

899
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:10.399
dismissed as manipulative charlatans or deluded simpletons, or a mix of the two.

900
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:15.880
But maybe it's they who've been manipulated
regardless since that November evening in nineteen fifty

901
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:21.960
two when Georgia Dampski ignored biblical prescriptions
and the Biblical prescription of course, and

902
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.439
Keel talks about this, who wasn't
a Christian? Is Matthew twenty four,

903
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.880
twenty six, And it says,
wherefore, if they shall say to you,

904
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:30.800
behold, he is in the desert, go not forth. So don't

905
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:35.920
go into the desert to meet to
meet Massiahs basically, but anyway, again

906
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:40.279
it's point Qill brought up. And
when George A. Dampski ignored this biblical

907
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:44.760
prescription and wandered into the California desert
to commune with his space massige, the

908
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:48.439
narratives he returned with have rightly been
questioned, particularly A. Dampski when he

909
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:51.159
started to sell books and other contact
e'es. He started to sell books,

910
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:57.840
I begin you age religions and seemingly
profiteed from set experiences. But again I

911
01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:00.319
suspect the root of some of this
might have been in a genuine experience.

912
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:05.399
They might have been deceived themselves.
And one such example as Edward billy Meyer,

913
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:10.119
the One Armed Swiss Contact d He
founded a religion based on his contact

914
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:15.239
with the Pleajarins also known as the
Palladians, and is often referred to in

915
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:18.439
the UFO parlance as the Nordics.
Meyer's alien friends true to the mold,

916
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:24.640
dating back to a damp skin through
theosophies assended masters. The biblical descriptions of

917
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:29.039
fallen angels of light appear as beautiful
ethereal beings with skin so pale and so

918
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.840
perfect that approach luminescence. Their mission
is to guide Earth and its spiritual evolution,

919
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:39.319
in direct opposition to earth based religions
and the detrimental effect they have had

920
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:43.479
on the development of the human spirit. Myers perhaps best known for his rather

921
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:47.800
stunning photographs, which I think probably
hopxes are flying sources or beamships, as

922
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:53.680
they are allegedly called. According to
Maya, the primary plejar in contact is

923
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:58.520
an entity named Semjaz. Another contact
e, the American Fred Bell, also

924
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:02.119
claims contact with this same being,
Semzaji, one with whom he's also has

925
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:06.039
implied he had a sexual relationship with. Now here's the weird rub. Semjaz

926
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:11.760
is almost identical to the name of
the lead fallen angel Watch your antagonist in

927
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.640
the apocryphal Book of Enoch. And
I remember being shocked when I first read

928
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.159
Mys and Bills and Bill's accounts because
I'd read already. Looked at the Book

929
01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:21.399
of Enoch at university and I went, these names are the same. Other

930
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:24.880
people have since or before discovered it. But when I first saw it,

931
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.520
it jumped out of the page at
me, is like, why are these

932
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:32.039
contactees having contact with the lead fallen
Angel of Enoch. It seemed just so

933
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:35.319
weird when I read when I finally
read those books after reading the Book of

934
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:39.920
Enoch. And of course, the
Book of Enoch fills in the details of

935
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:43.800
the narrative, which is only mentioned
in passing in one of the Bible's most

936
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:47.319
controversial and fascinating passages, and that's
Genesis six one to five, which says,

937
01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:50.520
and it came to pass when men
began to multiply in the face of

938
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:54.760
earth, and daughters were born unto
them, that the sons of God saw

939
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.039
the daughters of men, that they
were fair, and they took the wives

940
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.560
of all which they chose. And
the Lord said, my spirit shall not

941
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.600
always strive with man, for that
he also is flesh. Yet his days

942
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:09.600
shall be one hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in

943
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.680
those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in

944
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.760
under the daughters of men and they
bear children to them, the same became

945
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.640
mighty men, which were of old
men of renowned. Now recently, in

946
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:25.600
the past decade plus, the late
Michael Hiser, perhaps Christianity's greatest public intellectual

947
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:30.079
of our time, has spent much
time rehabilitating the importance of that passage as

948
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.199
well as Enoch for modern Christianity,
because it's not talked about often in churches,

949
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:39.239
so we don't have a whole lot
of time left. But it seems

950
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.319
like a passage that can just be
overlooked and might have nothing to do with

951
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:46.680
the UFO belief. But if the
type of cosmology that hires a very convincingly

952
01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:53.039
puts forward as being based on Biblical
texts in his books like The Unseen Realm,

953
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:58.319
the nature of the spiritual realm might
be very different and might be far

954
01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:02.880
more complicated and might take into account
some of the types of things that we

955
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:10.680
see reported in UFO belief. And
there probably isn't a whole lot of time

956
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.359
for me to keep going down all
of these rabbit holes but what I will

957
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:16.560
say is none of these things might
be true, and none of them are

958
01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:25.079
necessarily in completely mutually exclusive. For
example, one popular version of fairy faith

959
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:30.279
of the origin of the fairies is
that they were the fallen angels. Similarly,

960
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.359
the idea of the watchers or these
beings keeping us, you know,

961
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:39.159
in check on Earth, fits very
well into some Gnostic beliefs about the Arkhans

962
01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:43.880
that keep us trapped. So they're
not that they might seem disconnected some of

963
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.960
the points that I've made, but
I don't think that they are necessarily as

964
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:54.159
far apart as they at first seen. I do think it's I do think

965
01:14:54.199 --> 01:15:00.960
it's worth before either dismissing the UFO
phenomenon or before wholeheartedly ex being the popular

966
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:06.600
et type explanation, that it's worth
taking into account some of these older antecedents.

967
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:11.960
And again I think that doesn't mean
I don't think most of UFO belief

968
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:18.760
isn't misidentification or a whole bunch of
UFO belief is it just engineered by popular

969
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:23.079
culture like I suggested in here,
and then people see venus or something and

970
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:27.560
think it's a flying saucer. And
again, a lot of this might be

971
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:30.800
the result even of the type or
much of the belief might be the result

972
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:34.359
of the type of government psyops of
the Paul Benowitz affair. So I'm not

973
01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:41.039
saying every aspect of UFO belief might
be some of these more occult manifestations which

974
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:44.439
I've talked about, but I think
some of the weirder ones are worth looking

975
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:48.880
at within that kind of construct.
Now, I'll have a very quick look

976
01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:54.640
at any other comments. Flat Rockland
says Daimonic Reality touches on it a bit.

977
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:59.079
I believe that's an excellent book by
Patrick Harper. Everybody should read Daimonic

978
01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:05.720
Reality. Who has any interest in
UFOs or the paranormal Bob Antone talks about

979
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:09.880
the Hailbop cult, so that's Heaven's
Gate. There's another one, so yes,

980
01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:14.560
there's certainly these ideas did drive people
to do all kinds of all kinds

981
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:18.000
of things. Jacats or Aspasia says
it may not be true. Indeed,

982
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:23.880
the similarities are intriguing, and that's
my only intention to make people think perhaps

983
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:28.399
a little bit outside of the box. So if anybody hears this presentation later

984
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.000
or wants to message me anything,
they think about it. Because I'm still

985
01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:35.640
workshopping an awful lot of this,
and I would love to have anybody's feedback.

986
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:38.800
You can find me on Facebook,
friend request me and send me a

987
01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:41.920
message, or go to the Talking
Weird page on Facebook and message there,

988
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:45.119
or go to the shavermistery dot com, which will take you to the man

989
01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:50.399
who invented Flying Sources Facebook page at
the moment, and yeah, send me

990
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:54.560
a message say you agree or you
disagree, or just comment here in if

991
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:58.520
you're watching on YouTube or Facebook in
the comments afterwards, and I'll keep an

992
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.479
eye on those as well, because
I would love to hear anybody's type of

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feedback on this. And again,
thank you so much for listening, thank

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you for those who helped me when
there was a little glitch in the middle,

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which I'll edit out for all our
audio listeners later so they won't have

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to suffer it. And I hope
everybody just has a wonderful and blessed new

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year. And I'm looking forward to
you chatting to me hopefully throughout the year

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in the Talking we chat and again, always reach out to me if you

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want on Facebook or anyway. I'm
happy to talk to anybody, and I

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appreciate everybody listening to my friends and
those of you who might not know me

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yet, and until I get to
talk to you all again, keep it weird,