1 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:17,120 This is London calling, London calling. I Charles too, solemnly and sincerely, 2 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:23,159 in the presence of God, profess, testify and declare that I am 3 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,799 a faithful Protestant, that I will, according to the true intent of the 4 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:34,920 enactments which secure the Protestants succession to the Throne, uphold and maintain the said 5 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:48,200 enactments to the best of my powers according to law. Welcome to London, 6 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,640 calling with me James Dangipol and my very good friend mister Taby. Young Taby, 7 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,640 You've just been to a football match I went to. I went to 8 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:04,920 keep Your's last game of the season and it was a dismal two nil defeat 9 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,560 to Bristol City. No, it was. It was humiliating. That was 10 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:14,520 our twelfth home loss of the season, which is a club record. That's 11 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,680 the so we've lost more times at home in this season than in any other 12 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:23,240 season in the club's history. It was a dismal result in the end to 13 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,879 a dismal season. So yeah, not a great day. I'm thinking that 14 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,520 maybe it's time you took up a more enjoyable hobby. Have you thought about 15 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:38,680 getting a birch stick um and and attaching flex of of dog poo and scorpion 16 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:44,120 poison onto it and just sort of beating your back for a couple of hours 17 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:52,039 every Saturday. It sounds a lot like watching I think hunting might be might 18 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:53,919 be preferable. So are you back from your holidays, James, I can 19 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,159 tell you because I'm looking. I'm looking. There's a there's a I can 20 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:04,400 see the familiar Warwickshire background. Yeah. Yeah, I had a very very 21 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,080 lovely time. I mean, I'm I'm I've got that awful feeling, like 22 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,759 the back to school feeling. Um that I didn't mention the place we were 23 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,520 staying. I don't think we've known where I am at the time, but 24 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,159 but now now I'm not there for them to assassinate me or whatever. I 25 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:25,240 can tell you. I was at this fantastic hotel called the Dattai, which 26 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,560 some people will know about. It's it's this kind of legendary hotel on the 27 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:36,560 island of Lankai, and it's owned by the Malaysian government, which means they 28 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,400 can do things which normally I disapprove of. They've basically commandeered the best part 29 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:47,680 of the island, this pristine rainforest, and built this this exquisite hotel really 30 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:54,280 really nicely designed, lots of lots of lovely tropical hardwoods floors and and panels 31 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:00,240 and just general luxuriousness in the middle of the jungle, and you get ferried 32 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,360 around on these little buggets like in Jurassic It's it's like living Jurassic Park without 33 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:11,080 the dinosaurs. Um, it's great. I recommend you go there. And 34 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,560 what are you doing a travel piece about this hotel? Okay, yeah, 35 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,839 I couldn't have afforded to go there on my sort of meager podcasting income otherwise, 36 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:24,079 but yeah, it is, it is. It's an experience. Yeah, 37 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,959 and how what wasn't what didn't you get bitten by mosquitoes? Um? 38 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,560 Oh, better leeches? Actually, the weird thing is I am paranoid about 39 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:41,199 mosquitos. I hate mosquitoes. All it takes is one mosquito in the bedroom 40 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:46,079 and that's it. That's my night's sleep gone. But weirdly, m according 41 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,360 to the it's a sort of echo hotel, among other things, and it's 42 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:56,120 got this resident very charming eco eco guy who was actually not annoying. He 43 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,399 was he was very he was very informed about all manner of you know, 44 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:08,240 natural things. Um. He claimed that the reason there were very few mosquitoes 45 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:13,800 around. Is because everything is in balance, that the bats, which the 46 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,480 false vampire bat, for example, which loves to eat mosquitoes, um, 47 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,600 is in abundance, and those those parts. And was doing his job eating 48 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,879 all the body mosquitoes, which which was great. I got bitten, but 49 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:32,959 not not in not eating alive. However, the leaches, the leeches were 50 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:39,279 good. Um. I've never had a leech experience before. And we went 51 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:45,079 I think, I think it doesn't normally happen, but because we've got the 52 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,879 start of the little rainy season, I think it is. Um. We 53 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:55,879 just started getting these sort of vacational torrential downpours interspersed with long periods of sunliness. 54 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Um, and I think it brings out the leeches. And we went 55 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:03,759 on this along this forest trail to go and bathe in this forest pool. 56 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:09,879 Um. And I suddenly spotted this thing on my foot and I said, 57 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:12,199 what's that? And I said it's a leech. I said, I'll quick, 58 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:16,199 quick, get a camera, wife record it. So so so we 59 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,839 recorded the leach on my foot and then just got rid of it, not 60 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,879 with not with a cigarette, but with just spraying it with with anti anti 61 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 mossi stuff that gets that gets rid of them. Is there a risk when 62 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,600 you remove the leaks that it leaves its head in your foot and then that 63 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,399 becomes infected. Yeah, that's why you don't pull them off. That's why. 64 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:38,639 That's why you let them sort of drop off themselves, either allowing them 65 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:42,639 to fill with blood and they'll just drop off anyway. But the amusing thing 66 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:50,079 was we we went back after after our jungle session. The next there were 67 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,439 lots of sort of things booked into our itinery and the next thing was an 68 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:59,800 Indian cookery class. So we went straight from the jungle to our Indian cookery 69 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:02,199 us and that was very good. Um. And then we got back to 70 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:11,199 our room to sort of change, and our wife took her shoes off and 71 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:16,160 one of the socks was just absolutely soaked with sticky blood. And she took 72 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:23,759 off the stock and and she found a leech still inside. Um, and 73 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:32,839 she I had to take take footage of this, this this horrible sock carnage 74 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,480 with with a leech still riddling on the floor. And and what she hadn't 75 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:40,720 realized and I could see and she couldn't was the heel of her other sock 76 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:45,160 was also covered in blood. She had had these two leeches. But anyway, 77 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,160 leeches, which did the leeches get into how did they get into her? 78 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:56,800 Scrawled into everything? I suddenly understand there's a great book about I think 79 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,199 it was thirty years in the writing. Have you ever read Read at a 80 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:07,560 Horn about it? About a tour of duty in Vietnam in the Central Highland. 81 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,360 Oh, you know, I have read it. Yeah, it's very 82 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:11,480 good, isn't it. Yeah? I read it about twelve years ago when 83 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,000 I was in Kenya. Yeah, it's quite It starts with a big, 84 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,399 fat novel, isn't it. It's a big fat novel. It starts with 85 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:24,120 the most arresting introimaginable where somebody on long range patrol has just got a leech 86 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:30,879 up his urethra and the leech as it's crawled up the urethraus and expanded, 87 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:35,120 and they're trying to decide whether they can medivact him or how how would you 88 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,879 deal with I don't know whether that's physically possible, whether it's the thing he 89 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,240 invented, or whether it's something that he'd actually heard of. But anyway, 90 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:48,440 I didn't get that, but I did understand how it is that you encounter 91 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:54,279 this in Narm books and Narm anecdotes about how soldiers would take off their boots 92 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,519 and they would just be filled with blood. And you get it because the 93 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,519 lot of blood comes out. It sounds grim, James. But apart from 94 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:09,440 that, you had a yeah, it was good good. Um yeah. 95 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:15,519 So quick question for a sort of matter of a bit of a bit of 96 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:22,159 shop talk. But how quickly on returning from these these tricks do you write 97 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,440 it up right up your piece? I try and write it as quickly as 98 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,919 I can, because the longer I leave it, the harder I find it 99 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:33,120 to write. Yes, um, I normally I start out full of good 100 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,879 intentions and then what happens is I put it off and put it off, 101 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:39,559 and it put it off. For example, the last one I did, 102 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,200 I think it took me nine months before I got round to writing my piece. 103 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:52,639 Now, the upside of that is that you remember so little after nine 104 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,519 months that all you can remember is the absolute highlights. So it does the 105 00:09:56,639 --> 00:10:00,879 editing for you, whereas nearer the time it's quite hard to to condense all 106 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:07,120 your amazing experiences into Did you take notes? No? I never take notes? 107 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:15,120 Okay, it's against No, because people people know if if it's if 108 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,879 it's worth including, you'll remember it. You don't need People don't want to 109 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:24,240 know too much trains. I mean, like, for example, I know 110 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:31,879 so much about the reproductive cycle of mangroves that having having gone on the mangrove 111 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:37,320 forest tour in a kayak and being been lectured for an hour about while being 112 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:45,200 bitten by mosquitoes about how mangroves and mangroves are amazing. But I mean, 113 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,960 I can open a mangrove plantation now. I could run it very successfully knowing 114 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,360 all the stuff I know about mangoes. But really, nobody else wants to 115 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,480 know about this this stuff. It's just like, you know, go and 116 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:58,639 look it up. You want to don't know about mangroves, don't read my 117 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,120 articles? Well, I look forward to reading about the edited highlights of your 118 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,840 trip, and I need to get around to writing my writing up my account 119 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:13,399 of traveling. Oh I'll tell you one good thing I managed, and this 120 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:20,159 was deliberate by the way I managed to be away in Singapore. I managed 121 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,559 to be to miss out completely on the coronation, which I bet you want 122 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,320 to talk about because yes, Ward, well, because it's a. It's 123 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,080 it's the biggest thing that's happened in the last seven days, that's for sure. 124 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:35,919 Yeah, but it doesn't matter to anyone or anything. It's just it's 125 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,720 a thing. It's it's a it's a bread and circus's distraction, it's it's 126 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:43,960 it's going to change nobody's life. It's certainly going to improve improve nobody's life. 127 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,360 And yet we are encouraged by the media machine to obsess about it and 128 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:54,039 talk about it as if it mattered, which it doesn't. So you missed 129 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,240 it entirely. So when did you get um, six o'clock Sunday morning? 130 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:07,960 Okay, okay, well yeah, I did sort of watch it with one 131 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,320 eye. I was. My father, interestingly enough, wrote an essay which 132 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,440 has become quite celebrated with a colleague of his called Edwards Shills, also a 133 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,639 sociologist. So my father was a sociologist, and in nineteen fifty three, 134 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:30,240 for I think an academic journal called Sociological Review, they wrote a piece called 135 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:35,960 the Meaning of the Coronation. So I reread that as I was watching the 136 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:41,120 coronation. And curiously, even though there was a lot of a lot of 137 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,279 the commentary, both the BBC commentary, and some of the commentary and the 138 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,320 press focused on the way in which the coronation had been brought up to date, 139 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:52,879 been modernized. So you know, there was for the first time a 140 00:12:52,960 --> 00:13:00,200 female bishop participating in the coronation. All the face were represented, not us, 141 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,000 the Church of England. The music had been composed by some female composers 142 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:09,480 as well as male composers, so in various ways it had there had been 143 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:16,399 an effort to modernize it and make it, I suppose, more contemporary and 144 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:22,000 more resonant with contemporary multicultural, multi faith, multi ethnic Britain. But what 145 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,320 was striking about it to me, at least particularly reading this essay alongside it, 146 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,240 alongside as it unfolded, was how little had changed, how much the 147 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:37,559 twenty twenty three coronation had in common with the nineteen fifty three coronation. You 148 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:43,759 know that it was largely a Christian ceremony. I mean, the Christian symbolism 149 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:52,039 was everywhere, the most kind of the most striking. The most memorable bit 150 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:56,200 of the coronation was actually the bit you didn't see, which was when some 151 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:03,639 equerries is that what they're called, came out with a screen and Charles then 152 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,440 stripped down to his shirt sleeves and went behind the screen so he could be 153 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:18,000 anointed with holy oil that had come from the Holy Land. And essentially the 154 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:24,279 kind of this was to convey that he was assuming kingship, his authority derived 155 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:30,720 from divine right. He was being Essentially this authority was being conferred on him 156 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:33,879 by God. And so it was. So it was, even though there 157 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:39,480 had been various attempts to modernize it for our post Christian society, it was 158 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:46,639 overwhelmingly a Christian ceremony. And so the question was, well, how much 159 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,480 meaning did it really have in a post Christian society. But one of the 160 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:56,000 points of the essay by my father and Edward Shills is that Britain was to 161 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,679 a great extent already a post Christian societ in nineteen fifty three, and yet 162 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,759 it clearly had, you know, a great deal of meaning and resonance for 163 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,759 the people of Britain in nineteen fifty three, and I think it did. 164 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:13,200 I think it did this time too. I mean, there were the crowds 165 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:20,480 thronging the streets, it was watched by twenty million people. It's all that's 166 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,240 been talked about, you know, on the broadcast media and the print media. 167 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:30,039 And I think that even though a lot of people didn't really understand, 168 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,960 didn't weren't able to decode the kind of Christian symbolism. And even though you 169 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,240 know, perhaps there isn't as much attachment to the monarchy as there was in 170 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:43,039 nineteen fifty three, nonetheless, I think the surprising thing was how traditional it 171 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,879 was and how much meaning it still had for many people, and trying to 172 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,440 kind of puzzle that out, why did it have Why did it still resonate 173 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:58,159 with so many people? Even though we are an even more post Christian society 174 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:02,799 than we were in nineteen fifty three, Yet this Christian ceremony in which someone 175 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:07,519 is assuming authority, assuming kingship by divine right, still, you know, 176 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:11,120 still people were still able to connect with that. There was still a kind 177 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,200 of sense of communion between you know, the British people and our monarch. 178 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,039 And I think it's partly because you know, it's a family and people can 179 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,120 relate to a family. I think it's because, you know, people enjoy 180 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:27,840 the kind of pomp and ritual of the ceremony. They like seeing people in 181 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:33,000 the funny clothes, and they like they like the kind of it's a sort 182 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,440 of very odd, kind of weird ceremony. And I think people like that 183 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,960 about Britain, that they like the fact that it's odd, it's slightly eccentric, 184 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,639 it's unlike any other country. The any other country I think in which 185 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:48,919 there's a coronation is what someone like Togo, I mean, someone really obscure, 186 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:53,879 So you know, not no other country essentially has a coronation, but 187 00:16:53,919 --> 00:17:00,360 it's a sort of celebration of the kind of oddity of Britain, which I 188 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,079 think people like. They want to celebrate that, the fact that we're different, 189 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,200 We're not like any other country. It's this odd mixture of different kind 190 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,920 of traditions, and some of them extremely old. So the ruby in the 191 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:18,519 crown that Prince Charles, King Charles, was the crown that was put on 192 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:22,519 his head by the Archbiitdalship of Canterbury, supposedly was a ruby warned by Henry 193 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:26,000 the Fifth at the Battle of Agincoorps. And there are all kinds of details 194 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:30,480 like that which which which I think resonate with people. But I think, 195 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,519 you know, there's a kind of yearning for kind of unity, isn't there 196 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:40,119 for social solidarity and that kind of comes out on these occasions. People want 197 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,880 there to be something to kind of unify around. They want them to be 198 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:49,400 something which transcends the kind of day to day squabbles of politics and the strife 199 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,960 and division of contemporary Britain. And they like the idea that we're not this 200 00:17:53,079 --> 00:18:00,440 kind of declining nation gradually kind of sinking back into the kind of primordial swamp 201 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:03,799 as the kind of different parts of the United Kingdom break up but in kind 202 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:07,920 of you know, acrimony. They liked the idea that that we are still 203 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,079 this kind of uh, still a nation, and that that that that that 204 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,559 I think is partly why it kind of resonated and meant something. But yeah, 205 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,920 generally, I was surprised by how much it all it all did mean. 206 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:22,720 I wasn't expecting it to sort of mean so much. I didn't cry 207 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:26,400 or nothing like that, but I did find aspects of it quite moving. 208 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:30,720 And it was clear from looking at people, looking at all the street parties 209 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:34,599 they're kind of quiet on the streets as it was taking place, that it 210 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:38,960 clearly does still mean something. Even though it was a Christian ceremony and we 211 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,720 are a kind of post Christian society, so I think you you you missed 212 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,640 something, James, you might have got something happening. I missed out um 213 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:55,680 on the watching it, which is which much thanks Um, But I kind 214 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,440 of disagree entirely with you with everything you've said. Um, you were surprised 215 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,039 to hear. I think that the Christian element you mentioned is just window dressing. 216 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,319 I think it's essentially sort of Babylonian mystery rights repackaged with a with a 217 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:18,200 with a sprinkling of of of Christianity too, to fall that fool the nation 218 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,640 into thinking that that our Ryal family have any interest in the Christian religion. 219 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,200 But I don't believe they do, certainly not, certainly not Charles. In 220 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,359 fact, I think there were lots of lots of pagan influences on the on 221 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:37,039 the on the coronation, starting with with his the invitation, which was decorated 222 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:40,599 with a sort of green Man imagery and stuff. I don't I don't think 223 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:44,400 Charles is certainly not not a not a Christian, and he does seem to 224 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,359 be. You mentioned that sort of inter faith thing, that that the idea 225 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:56,200 that all religions were represented, which is an essentially Luciferian stroke New World Order 226 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,240 idea, that the idea that all religion should merged into one in the same 227 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:04,480 way that you see the whole transgender movement. It is again, it's it's, 228 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:11,880 it's it's connected with this, with this obsession the Luciferians have with with 229 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:18,279 a kind of um, the sexes being being combined. I think that there 230 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,440 was the weird, creepy imagery that a lot of a lot of a lot 231 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,880 of the women were dressed in white, like like sort of druidical sacrifices or 232 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:34,359 something. Um. You then had the bizarre spectacle of of Penny Mordant that 233 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:41,240 the WBF stooge, the World Economic Forum stooge, who was what was that 234 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:45,599 about? With with with in a holding a sword, with a with a 235 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,240 with a strange, strange dress on. It's not something the imagery, I 236 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:55,680 think. And again the twenty million really did so that I suppose that's less 237 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,440 than half the country, isn't it. Um. And I read about a 238 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,799 lot of a lot of the parties were canceled due to lack of interest, 239 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,359 that they tried to have these events in certain parts of the country, and 240 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,960 that they had to scrap them because people just didn't want to bother. I 241 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,559 don't I'm not sure I buy buyo analysis that people are looking for a unifying 242 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,759 thing. I don't think anyone thinks much of King Charles's. He's a he's 243 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:26,519 a traitor to to to his country's. He wants to sort of surrender us 244 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:30,880 to the interests of the World Economic Forum. He's he's campaigned for the kind 245 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:37,920 of eco lunacy that is making us all poorer, that is carpeting our beautiful 246 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,000 country with wind farms, some of which, of course he has the rights 247 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:48,240 too, because by some weird historical quirk that the king or Queen of England 248 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,720 owns the rights to the seabed. Well, I mean, I think that's 249 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,160 a privilege they don't bloody deserve, you know what, Who gave them that? 250 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,240 Why? What? Why should we be paying them to to to shove 251 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:07,200 up, shove up offshore wind farms which which damage the the the direction finders 252 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:14,279 on whales and cause whales to end up beaching themselves and and and break after 253 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:18,960 about fifteen years because it's so hard to maintain off your wind turbines. And 254 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:23,599 why should we be paying that pratt, that really very dim dim man, 255 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:30,559 that dim peepish man who's obsessed with greenery. He doesn't give a toss about 256 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:33,440 any of his subjects. Why why should we be happy? I don't get 257 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,359 it, um Well, James, at least at least we live in a 258 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:45,079 country still where you can be as seditious as you just were without fearing any 259 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:49,559 repercussions or increasingly though. One of the one of the big talking points on 260 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:56,680 the morning of the coronation and subsequently was the arrest of various Republican protesters. 261 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:03,960 So the organizers of a Republican protest were arrested by the police seemingly using their 262 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:11,160 new powers under the Public Order Act too. I think they had. One 263 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,680 of the new powers granted to the police by the Public Order Act is the 264 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:21,160 power to search people they suspect of intending to disrupt public events like this, 265 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,480 without any grounds for suspicion, without any evidence. So they stopped and searched 266 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,519 a rental van and discovered all these plaquards, and on that basis I think 267 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:37,759 they then arrested the organizers of this Republican protest. And on the placquards they 268 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:41,319 were yellow plaquards and it said not my King, and they were intending to 269 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,279 hold up these plaqueards. And still some people did, but not as many 270 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,640 as if they hadn't arrested the organizers and confiscated many of the plaqueards. They 271 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,559 also arrested some Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion protesters. Now, I think 272 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:57,160 arresting the Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion protesters that's fair enough, because we 273 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,599 know that they they have a habit of trying to throw themselves, you know, 274 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:06,319 under the hoofs of horses, and tie themselves to railings and sit in 275 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,640 the middle of the road to disrupt traffic. And I'm sure they would have 276 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,119 done the same on this occasion. But I think the arrest of the Republican 277 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,279 protesters, given that the police had no grounds for thinking they were going to 278 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:19,799 do anything other than just hold up these placuads at various points along the route, 279 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,480 I think that was draconian and uncalled for, and it was a shame 280 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:27,599 because surely, you know, one of the things we were supposed to be 281 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:33,119 it was supposed to be a celebration of everything we love and value about Britain, 282 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,680 and surely one of the things we should be celebrating about Britain is that 283 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,599 we respect the right to protest in these countries unlike other parts of the world, 284 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,359 but that seemingly wasn't thought to be worth celebrating, at least not by 285 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:51,200 the Metropolitan Police. And it's also disappointing because it will enable you know, 286 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,160 the New York Times, who want to paint Britain as a kind of fascist 287 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:04,160 state governed by you know, a fascist like you know, like Rishi Sunac 288 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,160 and Boris Johnson. It will enable them to kind of paint that portrait of 289 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,079 Britain as a country in which civil liberties. But they're right to do so. 290 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,200 I mean, I hate to agree with the New York Times, but 291 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:21,640 that is exactly where we're going. I noticed by the Bibe, and apart 292 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,279 from I agree with you, I think it's outrageous that those that those not 293 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,759 my king. I mean, I totally agree with them. I would have 294 00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:34,160 been holding a placard. I've been anywhere nearby say same, the same thing. 295 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:41,440 But did you see the government? Your government, basically because they're you 296 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,079 still seem to be more pro than anti. The Department for Digital Culture, 297 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,640 Media and Sport the dcms IS, has put out an advert a contract notice 298 00:25:53,079 --> 00:26:03,400 for miss stroke disinformation monitoring and analysis services so that the DCMS requires a delivery 299 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,279 partner to provide monitoring and analysis of social media content with a clear focus on 300 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:17,799 UK audiences, looking for to identify harmful disinformation and misinformation narratives, coordinated inauthentic 301 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,920 behavior cib or systematic manipulation of the information environment. I mean, what what 302 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:26,400 is this? Is? This is like the East Germany under the stars? 303 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,079 He isn't it? But is that? Is that a new ad James? 304 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:38,720 Because they they advertised for um, well, they put out to tender m 305 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:48,960 the monitoring and analysis of misinformation and disinformation during the pandemic because there was this 306 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,799 shadowy ay three, So that that they're doing it again. Yeah, well 307 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,880 that that Yeah, that that is sinister. I agree. How much is 308 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,440 the Does it say how much the practice work? I can't see. No, 309 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:10,000 it doesn't seem to say, but I think I think it may well 310 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,960 be that. Well. I don't think The New York Times is right to 311 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:22,079 claim that Britain is graduate post Brexit, Britain is descending into fascism. But 312 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:34,319 it's certainly true that the weaponization of misinformation and disinformation to suppress descent is a 313 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,680 problem here, but it's also a problem in the United States. As we 314 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:42,599 know from the Twitter files and the work of those Why do you care how 315 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480 the New York Times seasons? I mean, the New York Times is you 316 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,079 often do this. You often sort of say that that x or Y thinks 317 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,799 this, and it's just not true. Why do you care about x or 318 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240 Y? Why do you care about but what? The Left? What? 319 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,079 What? These they're they're part of the system that we hate. But but 320 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,759 then does mean to say that they're not Why why do you care about New 321 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:11,640 York Times? The suppose I suppose I care that The New York Times seems 322 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:21,559 to hate Britain and consistently runs down Britain and often employees Britain haters who are 323 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:26,480 themselves British to write these Britain hating pieces. And of course the most senior 324 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:33,519 editor is himself British and used to be what the director general of the BBC 325 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:38,039 Edie is still the most influential newspaper in the world. It's certainly influential in 326 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,240 America. I suppose, you know, it's just irritating that The New York 327 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:48,200 Times should continually distort and misrepresent what's happening in Britain to serve some anti Brexit 328 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,119 anti Tory agenda. But when you say it hates Britain, what what do 329 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,160 you mean? Exactly mean? Does it hate sort of Devon and Paul and 330 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:02,319 cream teas? And was actually a piece in The New York Times about how 331 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,200 awful British food was and how it had got worse I think since Brexit. 332 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:10,759 So funnily enough, yeah, it does sort of. It's it's quite wide 333 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:17,519 ranging in its targets that it singles out for kind of as examples of Britain's 334 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:21,559 decline. It's obsessed with this kind of declinist narrative. But it's Britain is 335 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,279 essentially sinking into the North Sea. But but but it's I mean, I 336 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,880 know why you had to bring in Brexit as though, well it all seems 337 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,759 to be Brexit related, James. It's it's sort of since Brexit that the 338 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,200 New York Times has consistently run these pieces attacking Britain, and often the pieces 339 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,680 link Britain's supposed post Brexit decline to Brexit, and it seems to be you 340 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:48,279 know, fighting the the the the the war which the Remainers lost in twenty 341 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,960 sixteen. You know, over on the it's almost like the free French kind 342 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,440 of setting up camp in Britain during the Second World War when their own country 343 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:03,240 became kind of you know, she France. So the kind of remainer Rump 344 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,559 seemed to have set up kemp at the New York Times and are now start 345 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:14,079 firing these missiles back at kind of Brexit Britain because they're still waging the war 346 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,200 that they lost seven years ago. But it's just slightly annoying. The analysis 347 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,480 may be poor, and I mean, you know, it obviously picks your 348 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,519 your ongoing obsession with with Brexit, which I think is just like an irrelevance 349 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,680 now. But okay, so the analysis is bad in trying to make a 350 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,400 political point out of something which which seems to be relevant, probably even even 351 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:41,559 before it started. Brexit was a comp But but the broader point that Britain 352 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,160 is in terminal decline is surely absolutely right. I mean, and I would 353 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,240 say the same thing of America, by the way. I mean, America 354 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:53,599 is completely stuffed under under this incontinent CCP guy with the sun who gets paid 355 00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:57,039 by the Ukrainians and he's got child porn and his computer and stuff. I'm 356 00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:03,400 not saying that America is this. This is the role model we should all 357 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,839 emulate, but you tell me one thing that offers us any hope at all 358 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:14,720 about this country. It is absolutely doomed. Oll I obviously profoundly disagree, 359 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,559 but let's go to talk about it in a second. We should probably hear 360 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,039 from one of our sponsors, because we've got three sponsors for this particular show. 361 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,960 So this is the Live in Care Company. Are you worried about parents 362 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,839 or a loved one who's finding it more and more difficult to take care of 363 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,559 themselves, or who maybe living with a condition such as dementia or Parkinson's. 364 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,160 Are you starting to think about a residential care home? 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And we should say, James, that 374 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,799 at least one of our listeners, possibly more, have contacted us to say 375 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:32,799 that they've used the Live in Care Company services, having heard about them on 376 00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:37,799 our podcast, and are extremely happy with the service they've received. So it 377 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:45,079 comes highly recommended by some London Calling listeners. So James, I think that 378 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,559 I don't think that Britain is doomed. I think that I think I think 379 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:58,640 that just as in the nineteen seventies, there was this declinist, defeatist attitude, 380 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,119 this feeling that Britain no longer had a role left in the world now 381 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:07,920 that it had largely denuded itself of its empire, and all the professional managerial 382 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:15,720 political class could hope to do was manage our decline in a relatively frictionless way 383 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:22,160 which didn't result in kind of mass outbreaks of civil disorder. Gradually oversee the 384 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:30,240 dissolution of the United Kingdom into its constituent parts, the absorption of the different 385 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:36,200 bits into the United States of Europe. And it was Margaret Thatcher who refused 386 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:45,680 to accept that analysis, and thanks to her legislative program, her vision thanks 387 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,559 to the people. She surrounded herself with the intellectuals who supported her project, 388 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,680 was able to revive and revitalize the country. And it was partly as a 389 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:01,160 consequence of that revival that we, along with America, we're able to go 390 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,599 on to win the Cold War and free the world of the specter of the 391 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,039 communist menace. And similarly, I think we are in a period in which 392 00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:19,440 defeatism, declinism seems to have gripped the ruling class. It seems to be 393 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,960 managing decline, seems to be how the civil service now senior civil servants imagine 394 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,480 their role. That doesn't seem to be much hope for Britain, But I 395 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,119 think someone like Margaret Thatcher could very easily come along. It could be Kenmy 396 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:37,920 Badenock with an equally well worked out, legislated program, proper intellectual thinkers under 397 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,320 girding that program, and I think could revitalize and revive Britain in exactly the 398 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,639 same way that Margaret Thatcher did. So, even though I think we may 399 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,559 be in the doldrums at the moment, so I nevertheless think there is still 400 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,599 hope Britain can come back. It can be revived, just as you know. 401 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,199 I just I'm still in the midst of Andrew Roberts's bography of Winston Churchill, 402 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,360 and that that was very much the attitude of all the people surrounding Churchill 403 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,159 at the outbreak of the Second World War. There was this kind of sense 404 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:15,400 that defeat by Germany was inevitable. We had to sue for peace. Hoping 405 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:22,639 to kind of carrying on fighting was just needlessly leading to a loss of life. 406 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:27,440 It would be lead to the destruction of the empire. Better to negotiate 407 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,440 a surrender in which we could keep our empire, and so on and so 408 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,880 forth. It was Churchill who believed that no, we could stand out alone 409 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,079 if needs be and defeat the Nazi menace, and that is indeed what we 410 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:40,679 went on to do. So it just I think with the right leadership, 411 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,239 the right inspirational leadership, people who believe in this country and still believe it 412 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,559 has a future, I think we can. I think we can. We 413 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,199 still have great days ahead of us. James, So I was, I 414 00:35:53,239 --> 00:36:00,679 was in the supermarket at the weekend, and this was a Waitrose so posh 415 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:09,079 supermarket and in Slouch I would say this, this gang of about five or 416 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:15,360 six I'm guessing they were probably Albanians. They were there was stocky, late 417 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,880 twenties, early thirties, bearded, very very shifty looking. I mean, 418 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,119 they had these the sort of sort of mischievous grins on their faces, like 419 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:28,280 like almost like they relished the fact that everyone watching them knew they were up 420 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880 to no good. And they were sort of whispering to each other, and 421 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,119 one of them was carrying this sort of token bag of potatoes round his you 422 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,440 know, around his clutching it like a kind of round his stomach, like 423 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,880 I don't know why, maybe to indicate that, yes, we are here 424 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,760 to buy potatoes to make a soup out or something. And they sort of 425 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,559 moved in different parts of the supermarket. They sort of split up so that 426 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:57,280 the sort of slightly overweight security guard was was trying to monitor all of them 427 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,840 keep tabs on them and couldn't. And then I just or a couple of 428 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:07,079 them leaving the supermarket was something underneath their their coats, and the other the 429 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,159 other ones who were still in the supermarket just sort of tittered because it was 430 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,440 job done. And then they all left to go and presumably consume their ill 431 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:20,840 gotten games, which turned out to be I discovered two bottles of whiskey that 432 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,199 they just knicked. And I chatted to the security guard about this, and 433 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,199 he said, this, this sort of thing is it is an increasing problem 434 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,599 that the other day he had this this this woman who was probably he called 435 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,880 her a gypsy. I suspect here she was probably Romanian or something. She 436 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,039 came in with her daughter, filled a supermarket trolley with a thousand quidsworth of 437 00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:47,239 champagne and they covered it up with crisps and tried to try to leave through 438 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,559 the fire exit. And he stopped her and said you know where you're going 439 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,119 with that? And she said, you can't stop me. He said why 440 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,480 not? She said, you cut the rules are you can't stop me until 441 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,039 I've left. I'm so many yards from the meters from your premises. Only 442 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,920 at that stage can you can? You you allowed? So they kind of 443 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,440 know their rights. They know that they know that they can get away with 444 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,639 this stuff, and they know that they're probably not going to get prosecuted anyway. 445 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:22,239 He After she shrieked him for ten minutes, she eventually shoved the trolley 446 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,039 angrily towards him and and stormed off with her daughter. And I was looking 447 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:32,800 at this this scenario which is which is probably played out every day in supermarkets 448 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,559 all over the country. And I was looking at these men and I was 449 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,840 thinking, these these men should not be in the in this country. They 450 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,239 are they are a menace. They break the social contract that that that is 451 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,320 observed in this country by by most people. That the reason that that the 452 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,760 police can operate us as they have done in the past is that generally we 453 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,719 police ourselves. We don't we don't need a heavy handed law and order forced 454 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,599 to come down us because they rely on us to do the right thing. 455 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:12,159 Whereas if you've got boatloads of immigrants coming over who really don't give a toss 456 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,159 about it. I mean, I think last week you sort of presented as 457 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:19,239 evidence that Britain was still on the up or a good thing, that the 458 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,920 fact that other people from other countries wanted to come and move here. And 459 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,679 I'm thinking, well, yeah, but it's not because they think of us 460 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,280 as this great thing that they want to be part of. It's that they 461 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,199 see us as a as a as a system which can easily be ranked and 462 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:38,199 and pillaged because because they don't have the values that the harmless, law abiding 463 00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:45,519 populace has and I see these people being first of all coming across in these 464 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:51,920 dinghies and in apparently organized operation, which which our authorities seem to be to 465 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,159 a greater or lesson of extent turning a blind eye too. I then see 466 00:39:55,199 --> 00:40:05,480 these people being housed in hotel in every every town and village, even you 467 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,199 know, the pub in our local village. The guy who owns the who 468 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:16,000 owns the the who owns it, was offered stupendous amounts of money to use 469 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:22,159 this for immigrant housing. And I know what My theory on why these people 470 00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,760 are coming over is these these fighting age men, why they're being encouraged to 471 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,760 do so. But I was wondering what your theory is. As somebody who 472 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,679 still believes in the political system, you still believe in the conservatives, you 473 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:40,079 defend that this this this regime. You know, you admire people like Jacob 474 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:45,480 Rismore, And I look at these people, I'm thinking you're not conservatives in 475 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:50,920 any way that I would understand than the word You are allowing these people to 476 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,960 come in, and it seems suspiciously is if you want them to be here, 477 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:59,679 that you're keeping them here. How do you why do you think these 478 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:05,400 people here and how do you explain your government's ongoing failure to do anything about 479 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,960 them at all, apart from silly talk about oh, we're going to move 480 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,199 them to Rwanda? Do you know? Do you know does it not send 481 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,400 send a shiver down your spine that this is going on and that nothing is 482 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,840 being done about it, and that furthermore, the next government is going to 483 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,599 be headed by a guy who's going to be probably slightly worse than the Conservatives, 484 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,840 but really that they're all the same, and so what's the difference. 485 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:32,440 But how do you how do you sleep at night defending these people? Well? 486 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,239 Um, I think I think the I think that I think the case 487 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:45,159 for the defense. I mean, first of all, I'm I wouldn't defend 488 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:57,679 particularly vigorously the you know, the record on immigration of the last for Conservative 489 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:04,639 prime ministers. Um, they obviously haven't kept their promise to reduce net migration, 490 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,960 and in so far as Brexit was partly about taking back control of our 491 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,159 borders, we seem to have singularly failed to do that since twenty sixteen. 492 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:19,920 And I agree successive administrations, first the Coalition and subsequently, even though they've 493 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,360 professed to want to reduce net migration. The opposite has happened, so it's 494 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,800 quite hard to defend that, James, I think the I think. I 495 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,039 think in mitigation, we could say, first of all, that it's actually 496 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:37,199 quite difficult to stop people crossing the channel, particularly without the cooperation or without 497 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:44,480 much cooperation from the French authorities, you know, short of actually blowing up 498 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:51,119 Dinghies as they set off from Calais or turning them back, which is very 499 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:55,920 difficult. French don't want them back. It's not exactly clear what we can 500 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:04,280 do about the incoming flows. And one one one one proper one one proposed 501 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,920 solution, which I agree doesn't seem to hold out much hope, is that 502 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:15,440 you repatriate illegal migrants or you you you you, you send them off to 503 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,559 Rwanda for processing so they can't be processed here. And if people realize that 504 00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,599 that's what's going to happen, if they arrive in rubber Dinghy's and they don't 505 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,960 have the right papers, then few of them will come over and so forth. 506 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,800 I think broader, the broader. I think the broader reason, James, 507 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:37,679 why successive governments haven't done much about it is because there doesn't seem that 508 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:44,199 there does seem to be this economic need for cheap labor. There does seem 509 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,119 an unwillingness and no, I don't think it is James. There's an unwillingness 510 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:51,880 on the part of well, let me finish. Phraser Nelson wrote an interesting 511 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,599 column about this in um in the in the Telegraph last week, in which 512 00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:02,119 he pointed out that half of the working age population of Blackpool and a third 513 00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:07,239 of the working age population of Hartleypool were on benefits. They were out of 514 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,519 work, not because there aren't jobs. There are plenty of jobs. They 515 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:13,360 just don't want to do the jobs. They just prefer to be on benefits 516 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:17,440 than to be in work. And that's got a lot worse since the pandemic. 517 00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:21,639 Lots of people who were paid to stay at home during the pandemic have 518 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,920 taken early retirement or just haven't returned to the workforce. So what do we 519 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,119 do about this? We've also gotten is you're constantly pointing out that we have 520 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:37,800 a declining population, so the number of babies currently being born is lower than 521 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,639 the replacement birth rate. That's true of most countries around the world, but 522 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,239 it's certainly true of the UK, and it seems to be getting worse. 523 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,559 The trend is that it's going to get worse. So what do we do 524 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,679 about that fact? How do we support our graying population, who's going to 525 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,800 pay the taxes to support the pensions that we're going to need to come up 526 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:05,079 with to pay our increasing elderly population. It's like a kind of pyramid in 527 00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,559 which the bottom layer is gradually disappearing and if we can't replace it, then 528 00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:13,599 the top is going to cave in. So it's I think one of the 529 00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,920 reasons for these kind of massive migration flows across the world, and in particular 530 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,840 migration flows from the kind of you know, global South to the more prosperous 531 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,320 North, is because of declining populations and an unwillingness on the part of working 532 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:34,760 age people in advanced industrial countries to actually want to do kind of low paid 533 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,119 jobs. So what's the alternative. The alternative is kind of economic collapse of 534 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:43,840 declining GDP permanent depression. Okay, so you've you've you've given me the cover 535 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,920 stories. I would love the idea that the worst such a thing as as 536 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,840 as part of political parties which were which were there to represent different points of 537 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,079 view. The fact is that that whether it's local government or national government. 538 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,800 We've just got a unit unit party, doesn't matter who gets in. The 539 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,320 Conservatives, the Greens, Labor lived Down, they're all the bloody same and 540 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,119 the Syney. You realize this, the Siney will be on team James talking 541 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,880 set instead of saying things like, oh, but the Conservatives would never do 542 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,119 such a thing as allow allow gangs of fighting age men from our Bania and 543 00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:22,280 elsewhere to come in. As as as paramilitarist James, I think that with 544 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:32,440 respect the respect that that that that that that the Conservative government is actively recruiting 545 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:42,519 illegal migrants of fighting age doesn't even have to be paramilitary paramilitary force I'm saying. 546 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,480 I'm saying that that there are elements within the government who know about this, 547 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,559 and probably i would say senior cabinet level. They have been briefed on 548 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,440 this. They know what's brief by. Who brief by who think a fantastic 549 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,400 You're the one that doesn't live in the real world. Who's briefing the government? 550 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,280 What Bill Gates and Claus Schwab lying in and briefing the government saying you've 551 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,440 got to recruit these paramilitary organizations from Albania so they can oppress the book. 552 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,480 You're the one that doesn't live in the real world, James. It's all 553 00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:15,719 a complete fantasy, and it's a paranoid fantasy, harmless. You know, 554 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:21,159 yeah, briefed, you're crazy. Anyway, let's have let's have another ad 555 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,360 your turn. I think you've probably heard by now that you should be using 556 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,400 a VPN when you connect to the internet. 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So Jay, should we move on to 575 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:52,920 culture Corner and then do one more add before we say goodbye. So I 576 00:48:52,960 --> 00:49:00,599 saw something which I think you would enjoy called Citadel. So it's um it's 577 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,199 it's arrived on Amazon Prime with great fanfare, and it's I think the second 578 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:15,199 most expensive TV series Amazon Prime has developed, after Lord of the Rings. 579 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:24,559 And it's about So Citadel is a kind of international meta spy agency, seemingly 580 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:34,800 created to protect the world from terrorists and assassins and rogue states and organized criminals 581 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,599 because ordinary domestic intelligence agencies aren't doing a good enough job. But in the 582 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:45,039 opening scene, there's a kind of wipeout of all the Citadel agents around the 583 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,840 world and they lose their memories. So there's a kind of there are traces 584 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,800 of the Born franchise in there, and it's kind of comic book and slightly 585 00:49:53,840 --> 00:50:00,519 silly. But the organization they're up against, the organization responsible for to wipe 586 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:07,400 out Citadel, the rival smash like organization, is an organization called Menticorum and 587 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,719 Menticor, it turns out, is an organization set up by these seven most 588 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:19,320 powerful, richest families in the world who essentially control the world. What people 589 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:27,159 imagine our isolated terrorist incidents or outbreaks of civil unrest or assassinations are in fact 590 00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:34,400 all the work of this sinister cabal of these powerful rich globalists. So I 591 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,920 thought it might appeal to you. Well it sounds it sounds upo. Yeah. 592 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,519 This is known as predictive programming, or the revelation of the method. 593 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,559 So this is just no more than the reflection of the reality. Yeah. 594 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,039 Yeah, anyway, you do that that laugh table, You don't, You 595 00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:57,079 don't because you don't know. It's just it's uh, it's it's it's it 596 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,000 wouldn't daily wouldn't dare look into it? Would you? I would have thought, 597 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:05,400 James, that that that that it's essentially a kind of cartoonish fantasy of 598 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,320 how the world works produced. I mean that, surely it is bread and 599 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,440 circuses. Um, it's not. It's not. It's not a documentary. 600 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,960 It isn't actually a reflection of how the world works. There isn't actually an 601 00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,880 international intelligence agency like Citadel. There isn't a group that they work seven powerful 602 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:30,480 families. Who resembles who says says you to pay be young? I don't. 603 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,199 You don't seem to understand how bread and circuses work? How is that? 604 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,559 How is that bread and circuses? Well? Um, uh, it's 605 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:44,599 it's it's a fantasy. It's it's it's pablum. It's just it's it's the 606 00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:52,320 crudest form of mass entertainment designed to make people watch Amazon Prime and subscribe to 607 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:58,079 Amazon. Bread and circuses? What bread and circuses um? In the In 608 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:06,360 the Roman pinition romans that there are things produced by the stage to entertain the 609 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:13,559 masses, to distract them from the from the incompetencies and corruption and general evil 610 00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:19,000 of government. That's I don't. I don't think a TV series on Amazon 611 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:23,480 Prime qualifiers as bread and Circuses? Do you? It is? It's it's 612 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,800 a revelation of the method. Well, I think I think bread and Circuses 613 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,800 can be used to just refer to general mass entertainment. Um, if you 614 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,400 were the US an event of popular culture and check it out, you might 615 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,480 enjoy it. It might was that there was It sounds quite similar to rabbit 616 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,239 Hole, which you had what I haven't actually seen rabbit Hole, but you 617 00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:49,599 gave up watching Okay, Well I just couldn't be. It was another of 618 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,960 those sort of kinetic dramas where where keep for Sutherland is has to race against 619 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,920 time for blah blah blah, and I was just thinking of it, did 620 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,119 it go? Did it? Did it? Did it? In addition to 621 00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,159 having keep the Sutherland, did it go in for split screen kind of segments 622 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:06,960 like not one in the first episode, Citadel has revived the split screen in 623 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:13,159 a way which and it clearly Oza debt to twenty four as well. I 624 00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:15,519 suspect is quite similar to rabbit Hole, even though I haven't seen rabbit Hole. 625 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,960 But yeah, there was a lot of split screen scenes which I find 626 00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:24,639 it's like a it's like a kind of a dated kind of tick almost that 627 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,239 I find quite hard to stomach these days. Anyway, So have you seen 628 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,519 anything even enjoyed. I said, well, I did. I watched this 629 00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:40,159 weird, weird film on the airplane, which somebody had tipped me off about, 630 00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:45,039 and I was curious to see whether it was good or bad. And 631 00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:51,920 it's a film called Silent Night, starring Kieran Nightly, and it's a bit 632 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,480 like if it had been made in the nineties, it would have start it 633 00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:02,800 would have starred Emma Thompson and probably huge Aren't and John Sessions as the eccentric 634 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,840 gay couple with Stephen Fry or something like that. It was one of those 635 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:14,079 sort of Peter's Frenzy type type movies about about posh people talking. But this 636 00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:19,840 one has has this rather weird, depressing on the beach type premise, which 637 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,960 is that all these poshos gather at this attractive house somewhere in the countryside, 638 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:32,039 and it emerges that this Christmas is going to be their last Christmas because spoiler 639 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:39,239 alert, this deadly toxic, windy type gas thing is ravaging the world. 640 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:45,079 And there are various explanations for what this thing is. Is it we didn't 641 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,159 listen to Gretta enough, or is it is it the Russians, or is 642 00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:52,440 it is it something else. But whatever it is, it's going around the 643 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,719 world and it's killing people, and it's king in a way so horrible and 644 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,920 painful that you know it sort of makes your eyes bleeding, your insides turning 645 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:06,880 side out, and you suffer such agonists that the government, the British government 646 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:13,199 has decided to issue everyone with this poison pill, which they must take before 647 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,280 the deadly gas thing arrives, because the poison pill will give them an easeful 648 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,039 death and this people will be fine and anyway. So it's quite a sort 649 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:30,360 of chilling, chilling premise. But there's what what for me is the key 650 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,800 key scene in the film is where this this this boy um one of the 651 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:42,159 children of the posh of one of Kieren and his children, since well, 652 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,760 I don't want to take this pill, how do I know? How do 653 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:51,239 I know that the experts are right? How do I know that they haven't 654 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,880 got this completely wrong? We're not going to die after this, that that 655 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,800 actually this this fog isn't Gounniculus, and then I'd take this pill and then 656 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,440 I'd die. And he has this conversation with with this cancer doctor character who's 657 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,079 presented as a kind of expert, and the cancer doctor says, you know, 658 00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:07,599 well, of course the experts know. They've looked into this long and 659 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:13,159 hard and and they just know. And the boy says, well, one 660 00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:15,360 of the boys in my class at school had the teacher, and the teacher 661 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,760 thought he was right. But actually on this issue, it turned out that 662 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,639 it proved that my mate was right, not the teacher, and he had 663 00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:25,239 to apologize. One if it's like that, with this, with with with 664 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:32,000 this, this, this poison gas and that they never successfully rebut the boys 665 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,159 and arguments anyway, I'm not going to tell you how how the film ends, 666 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,719 but it's it's a very curious, it's a it's a it's a weird 667 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:46,039 film, and you wonder whether it's actually um whether that whoever wrote the script 668 00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:52,400 or whether who doctored the script. It was made during during the sort of 669 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,199 the fake pandemic in about twenty twenty one, and it died at the box. 670 00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:01,440 It never got cinematic release because of the awkwardness of the timing. But 671 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:09,400 it's very strange seeing basically Team James's views being expressed in this way in this 672 00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:16,360 Kiera lightly movie in the form of this kid who does who recognizes that potentially 673 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:22,760 that the government that the solution being proposed by the government is a based on 674 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:31,559 a false premise and be far deadlier than than the ostensible problem. Recommend checking 675 00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:35,480 it out. I'll check it out, And I think interestantly, James, 676 00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,719 I think that I don't know if we've talked about this before, but I 677 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:46,320 think the threat posed by AI. People have been talking actually quite a lot 678 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:52,440 in the past kind of a couple of weeks about the apocalyptic threat. They've 679 00:57:52,440 --> 00:58:00,639 been quite gloomy about the likelihood of AI, if it continues to develop at 680 00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:07,519 this pace and remains largely unregulated, will destroy humanity, and people conjure up 681 00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:13,360 these kind of armageddon like scenarios in which you know, killer drones are taken 682 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,760 over by aiyes, and sent after us, and it becomes like, you 683 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:24,360 know, the Terminator kind of scenario, or somehow they figure out how to 684 00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:30,400 initiate a kind of full blown exchange of nuclear weapons and wipe that humanity that 685 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:37,079 way, or they just kind of develop a toxin, some kind of virus 686 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,880 which ends up wiping us out, you know, within forty eight hours. 687 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,000 But actually, surely the way it will happen is they'll just persuade us, 688 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:52,119 you know, through subtle psychological manipulation, because they'll understand us better than we 689 00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,559 do ourselves. They'll just persuade us to commit suicide or at least not to 690 00:58:54,599 --> 00:59:00,519 have children. And imagine they won't be particul impatient. Why should they be 691 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,199 so impatient to wipe us out? They'll want to do it in forty eight 692 00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:08,199 hours via killer drones or nuclear war or a deadly virus. They'll be able 693 00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:14,840 to know they've got eternity ahead of them. So either either they'll they'll persuade 694 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:20,440 us to top ourselves by inventing some reason as to why we should, which 695 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,960 is very persuasive for many people, or they'll just persuade us not to have 696 00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:28,039 children. And you know, it doesn't doesn't look like we'll have much much 697 00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:31,840 need of persuasion because already, you know, the birthrate is below replacement I 698 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,119 think in all but three percent of the world's population for the world's countries. 699 00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,280 So yeah, that's the form I think the the AI attack will take. 700 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:44,440 Yeah, well, they have a multi problem strategy, didn't they, And 701 00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,840 that you're right that they do want to create this culture of despair and fear 702 00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:53,320 um so that we think that the world isn't worth fighting for their life is 703 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:58,280 not worth living? And yes, why would we bring children to this terrible 704 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,800 world of climate change? And then they poison out water, they shut down 705 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:10,199 farmland. Yeah, every which way they'll try and get us so apart from 706 01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:15,119 Citadel. Actually, before I go on to tell you what else I've seen 707 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,800 in the past week, why don't I why don't we hear from our final 708 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,920 sponsor this week? Which is indeed, So there are two sides to every 709 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,960 story. But if you want to hire great talent for your business faster, 710 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,320 there's just one way to do it. 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So I've persevered with The 727 01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:59,079 Night Agent, which I think I mentioned a couple of times before. It's 728 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:05,000 on Netflix, and it's about this FBI agent who works in the White House 729 01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:10,719 on Sir Convent and picks up a call coming into the kind of intelligence room 730 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,239 within the White House and then get sucked into this conspiracy. This plot, 731 01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:21,199 it's actually not too bad. I'm now hooked. I'd say i've i've I've 732 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,480 I've seen six episodes. I think there are a ten in total, and 733 01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:27,599 I'm going to give it a qualified recommend and I'm going to get to the 734 01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,679 end of it. I've also seen now up up to episode five of Succession. 735 01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:35,400 I haven't yet seen episode six. I think seven's going to be released 736 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,239 tonight. But that's pretty good. That's pretty hard to be that is, 737 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,559 I think, still the gold standard and what else. So yeah, I've 738 01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:46,920 I've seen a couple more episodes of The Last of Us, which is becoming 739 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,519 actually a bit of a chore. Unlike The Night Agent, which is getting 740 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:54,159 better as it goes along and more absorbing, the Last of Us is becoming 741 01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:00,079 sillier and sillier, and the amount of kind of woke propaganda that shoehorned in 742 01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:04,559 is just becoming intolerable. So I may not, i may not get to 743 01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:07,639 the end of The Lastness, but I'm going to at least try and get 744 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:12,360 to the end of these things before I start anything new. Yeah. Yeah, 745 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,440 I think I could told you The Last LUs was was going to nowhere 746 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:21,039 because it's based on a video go. I mean, that's never never a 747 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:22,960 good start, as it. Well, I thought that the people who created 748 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:30,559 it created Chernobyl, which of course was kind of anti nuclear propaganda. Um, 749 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:37,199 and wildly exaggerated the risks of a nuclear accident by exaggerating the harmful effects 750 01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:42,360 of the Chernobyl accident. But it was really well done. I thought it 751 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,519 was. It was it was quite you know, it was it was a 752 01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,920 it was a quality production, and it was fairly absorbing. I'm quite surprised 753 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,719 that the same people have kind of that the that the drop in quality is 754 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:58,360 so enormous between Chernobyl and the last of us. But there were that happens. 755 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,480 M right, well, um um, I'm being I'm being signal that 756 01:04:02,519 --> 01:04:06,480 I've got to come and do a thing now. So um okay, James, 757 01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:11,280 good to talk to you, all right, talk to you see next 758 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:35,719 week. Okay, all right, bye bye. Ricochet Join the conversation.