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Bill Cunningham the Great America, and
I tell the story many years ago about

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the Human Rights Campaign, And the
Human Rights Campaign was started literally thirty years

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ago in order to mainstream gay rights
and also gay marriage. The key element

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of the Human Rights Campaign was to
bring gay marriage to the United States of

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America. And after the US Supreme
Court's decision of about five years ago,

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written by just As Anthony Kennedy,
the issue was won and gay rights were

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secured and marriages were permitted, and
the Human Rights Campaign had buildings, had

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a staff of six hundred. People
had to use rent to pay and so

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they said, we have to get
ridden out of gay marriage is something we're

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going to fight about. What about
trans kids? Can we sell the idea

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to parents, the school boards,
to the media, to the general public

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that there's a terrible problem with children
who think they're locked in someone else's body,

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their male, but they think they're
female or they're female and they want

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to become male, And can we
sell the idea this is the next civil

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rights horizon. And many said,
nah, that's never going to work.

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People are going to buy this one. However, here we are many years

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later, and it's arrived and in
fact, it is an element of truth

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in many schools in California. They
came out a few days ago with a

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message starting in August that if your
kids are going to transition from one gender

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to another, that parents will not
be told about what's happening in school.

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It's unbelievable. A new book is
out by Mary Margaret Olihan d trans True

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Stories of Escaping the Gender Cult and
Mary Margaret, welcome, I think for

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the first time to the Bill Cunningham
Show. And so can you first tell

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the American people the issue itself and
the death of the problem and how we're

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responding to it as a government.
Yes, great to be here. So

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this is a book that I wrote
because I was noticing just a slew of

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young people coming forward and saying I
was duped by this under ideology. I

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was like, you know, portrayed
by these medical professionals. And once there

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were enough of them coming forward,
it seemed to really confirm what many of

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us have been saying for a long
time, which was that, you know,

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when LGBTQ activists tried to say,
you know, these so called transgender

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protections that we're trying to enact are
only going to apply to adults. We're

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not talking about children here. They
were not being honest. And what we

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have found is that media, activists
and lawmakers have been very manipulative in explaining

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what they have been trying to enact, which ultimately we now know is transgender

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surgeries, hormones and puberty blockers for
adults and for children in the name of

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so called gender affirming care. And
what these activists and media and lawmakers will

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say is that these procedures are necessary
to save people from committing suicide, and

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they will say this about children very
frequently. I was just looking at research

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from a doctor the other day who
was making the argument that, even though

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she is well aware that puberty blockers
cause very serious problems in children's bone density,

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she argued that the risks were worth
it given that kids who think that

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their trans are probably going to kill
themselves if they don't get access to this.

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Now, that is a lie,
it's not true. In fact,

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what we're finding out now is that
when you put children on these drugs,

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when you put children through these surgeries, it is actually worse for their mental

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health. Shocking, but that's not
accepted by the broader medical community right now

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because they're so tightly attached to this
gender ideology. And so we're in a

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very weird place right now where our
media, or medical organizations, Hollywood,

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the White House are all telling us
that kids need things that are very obviously

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wrong for them. A little girl
in her early teens is struggling with mental

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health issues. The last thing she
needs is her breast removed, you know.

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The last thing she needs is to
be put on to stosterone, which

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is going to affect her body very, very dramatically, both physically and mentally.

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But that's what we're being told that
these children need. And so part

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of the reason I wrote this book
is because I wanted to give people a

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close up view of the real reported
stories of de transitioners, young people who

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tried to do this and then realized
it was impossible. It's all in their

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words, it's their stories, their
lived experiences, and I wanted to give

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it to people in a very raw
way and help people understand the realities of

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what's going on here, because it's
not care. It really is and it's

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very dangerous, and I think that
the best people to explain this are the

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people that live through it. And
so your book deals with that so Mary

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Margaret, I cannot imagine a thirteen
or fourteen year old going through a genital

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mutilation and hormonal therapy that completely changes
their body to something it wasn't. And

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I could not think of any other
area of life where we would allow a

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preteen somewhat a child under the age
of eighteen to make lifelong decisions about their

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health. And really, the American
Medical Association, the president Joe Biden,

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is all in favor of transgender rights
and transitioning, always with a happy ending.

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There's a basketball player in the NBA
named Way who played for Miami who

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has a child that's transitioned from male
to female. But isn't there a study

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from England over the last fifteen or
twenty years that demonstrates that's the so called

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puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and
gender affirming surgeries. By the time these

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individuals come out the other side in
their twenties in their thirties, many are

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extremely sad their parents didn't defend them
better. Yes, yes, and actually

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I would say European countries are far
ahead of the United States when it comes

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to this issue. They have recently
taken a number of steps to protect kids

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from these irreversible and experimental procedures.
But meanwhile, in the United States,

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our medical professionals are very much pushing
forward with all of these things, despite

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seeing our European colleagues and friends doing
the exact opposite. And you know,

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as the the transitioners and my books
shared with me, this is something that

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these kids can't actually consent to.
One because they're kids, so which is

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not something we talk about enough.
But two because they're so mentally ill.

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All of them are really struggling with
mental health issues and so they're not able

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to give informed consent. The other
thing is they're not these things aren't explained

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to them properly. So I don't
know if everyone's familiar with the the w

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PATH files, the release of the
w PATH files recently. That's the World

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Professional Transgender Health Association, a group
of so called experts that are transgender doctors,

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and these doctors were exposed to have
been having private conversations about how they

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knew that testosterone, for example,
was causing some girls to grow tumors.

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They knew the testosterone was causing some
girls to be infertile. They knew and

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had conversations about the fact that some
of their patients were so mentally ill that

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they could not properly give informed consents. And yet all of these things were

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kept under wraps until the release of
the w Path files because these so called

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experts didn't want to go against their
own narrative, so they were knowingly pushing

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things that they knew were dangerous and
experimental while private talking about how they were

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dangerous and experimental, which is so
incredibly evil when you realize the magnanimata of

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what we're talking about here. There
was one story I heard that I will

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never forget about a young girl who
underwent a double misseexony as part of her

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gender affirming care and afterwards she asked
the doctor, so how long is it

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going to take for them to grow
back? So that's a girl who was

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so naive and uninformed about her body
that she genuinely thought that her breast would

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ultimately grow back when they never will. And I think that's a really good

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example of how our young people are
being duped in this way. They're being

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given information that they're not fully digesting, that they can't fully understand because they're

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kids, and they're being allowed to
make decisions that are just way over their

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head. And Mary, Margaret,
you would hope that we as a society

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advances we think we are, would
say that if the parents agree to play

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in to the mental fantasies of a
child, that there would be teachers and

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principles and doctors and children's hospitals and
medical associations and the government that would say,

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we understand that you're fourteen and you
think you're a male and a female

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body, but you cannot legally smoke
a cigarette, you cannot legally drink alcohol,

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you cannot legally contract to do anything. We will look after you and

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help get you the mental health health
help that you need, but we're not

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going to engage in cutting off your
genital parts, and we're not going to

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give you a hormonal therapy that changes
who you are, because the underlying problems

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that cause the difficulty in the first
place would be there. Where are the

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adults? Where are the adults to
say we will not allow this to happen,

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Because if a child is confused and
unhappy and has mental health issues,

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and about forty percent of young girls, because of social media, et cetera,

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have mental health issues, where are
the parents? Are the schools?

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Where are the doctors. Where are
the children's hospitals? So saying let's wait

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till you're eighteen, Mary Margaret.
If somebody's nineteen, twenty, twenty five

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or thirty and they're an adult and
they want to make this decision, I'm

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saying, have at it. If
you're an adult and you want to go

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to a drag Queen's Story Hour,
If you're an adult and you want to

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transition, have at it. But
if you're a child, why doesn't adult

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society say you can't do this?
What where are the adults? This is

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a great question, and I think
you know, I sincerely hope and I

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actually do believe that history we'll look
back on this moment and ask that very

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question when we've left this horrible period
far behind us. Because the adults in

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the room are very much turning a
blind eye to the realities here and opting

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to go to embrace ideology over sat
facts and science and what we're hearing.

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You know, there are certainly parents
who, for selfish and narcissistic reasons push

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their children into transition. That absolutely
is something that happens, and it's a

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very horrible thing, you know,
when these kids are very small, but

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I think what's happening more often,
and this is incredibly sad, is these

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kids are from you know, your
average secular American family. Maybe they're not

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super tuned into politics, and they're
at school, they're learning about gender ideology,

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they're learning about it online. They're
friends at school are identifying as trance

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or something, and so they themselves
become interested in it. Maybe it's counselor

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at school of firms them and tells
them, yes, you're trans. And

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so these kids, let's say,
like a thirteen year old girl comes home

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and says, Mom and dad,
I'm not a girl, I'm actually a

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boy, and I need you to
help me get hormones and surgery because that's

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what i'm told that I need.
And so these parents, you know,

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they love their daughter, that's their
beautiful little girl. They think, what's

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no way in heck my daughter is
supposed to get a double mus eectomy.

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I've known her ever since she was
born. I know for a fact that

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she's not a boy, and I
know she doesn't have masculine interest. But

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at the same time, they think, I don't know what I'm supposed to

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do here. Maybe they're afraid of
the school and the school is telling them

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you have to do something here,
and so what most of these parents are

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doing tragically is they think, Okay, this is over my head. I'm

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going to go speak to a medical
professional about this. And unfortunately, the

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medical professionals are betraying parents. And
so when parents go in trusting them and

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saying, look, I don't know
what to do here. This seems crazy.

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My kid's telling me she's a boy, what the medical professionals will say

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is, yep, your daughter's a
boy, and if you don't affirm her

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transgender identity, she's going to hurt
herself. And the exact line that they

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give to parents, and this gives
me chills every time I say it,

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would you rather have a dead daughter
or living son? And they say that

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that's a threat. There's a threat
to parents saying if you don't comply with

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our version of ideology gender ideology,
then your kid will kill herself and it

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will be your fault. And so, you know, unsurprisingly, parents think,

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oh my gosh, I gotta do
this, like this is clearly what

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I like. I wish I didn't
have this happening, but I got to

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do this for my kids. And
so a lot of parents are going along

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with it. And I had the
most the saddest conversation recently with one of

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the girls in my book. Her
name is Luca, and she told me

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that her mom was very against her
transitioning, but her mom, you know,

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was given this line by the doctors, and so Luca's mom ultimately went

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along with it. And she said
that when she realized, you know,

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after the surgery, after the hormones, she had this moment of realization,

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oh my gosh, I don't feel
better happier, I feel worse. And

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she had this moment where she realized, I regret what I have done and

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I need to like undo it.
And she said she called her mom and

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she had to say, you were
right. I shouldn't have done any of

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this. And she said she and
her mom both sobbed the entire conversation the

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whole time, because what she was
basically saying to her mom was your gut

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was right. You should have trusted
it. And you know, she's very

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respectful about her mother, and all
of the detransitioners I've talked to are very

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hesitant to put any blame on their
parents, but in Luca's case, her

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mom's gut was right. Her mom
should have trusted her gut, and unfortunately,

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these medical professionals convinced her not to
and convinced her to put her child

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through these horrific things. So,
you know, I have a lot of

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empathy for these parents. Obviously,
they should have made different decisions. They

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should have done more research, you
know, they at the end of the

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day, they should have better cared
for their children. But I think these

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are unprecedent time. You know,
this is we're in very scary and crazy

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times where parents have to navigate a
world where people want to they want to

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I mean, at the end of
the day, they want to butcher their

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children. And that sounds horrible,
but you know, at the end of

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the day, it's largely true.
What do you call a doctor who removes

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a teenage girl's breast by telling her
it's going to make her happier when he

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has no idea If that's actually true. I think, you know, at

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the end of the day, is
this is very much harming children. It's

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very dangerous and experimental, and I
God bless the parents that are dealing with

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all of this, because it is
not a danger that our society has been

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confronted with recently, and it's an
absolutely terrible hurdle for them. Mary Margaret

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revealing the truth about transgenderism and its
industry. A lot of money involved,

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so disturbing that transgender activists will do
anything to try to hide this story because

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of the money and because of the
political activism. Because children with mental problems

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now layer the other problems on top
of the other problems, and by the

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time they get to be twenty five
or thirty, they look back and ask

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their mom or dad, why'd you
do this to me? And mom might

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say, well, I was told
do you want a dead daughter or a

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living son? And the parents are
in a difficult position. They go to

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the doctor, to the medical industry
and they say, oh no, oh

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no, a lot of a lot
of mental problems. We're gonna cut off

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your genitals and then things will be
better. The book is once again May

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Margaret Olahan and the True Stories of
Escaping the Gender Cult. And thank you

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for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Get the truth out and the truth

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will set us all free. Mary
Margaret, thank you very much, thank

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you so much for having me.
God bless you. Let's continue with more.

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Wow. Dwayne Wade has left.
The basketball player has left Florida because

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he thinks transgender rights are not being
allowed in Florida. I like to check

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in with him in about ten years
to see what his new daughter thinks about

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the behavior of the parents. Bill
Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW and

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your pains on the door, You've
got it. You lord, kick off

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your summer in a new