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Okay. Let' s talk and
chat for a long time with Manuel Adorni

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and thank him for having done a
little bit, a little hole to talk

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to us. How you doing,
Manuel vince works out fine, all right.

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Thanks for inviting me. How you
love crazy kids. It' s

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impressive. Hey, they love you
good is my almost- saying audience since

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I' ve been in the media. I was generating that audience in that

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connection with the kids, kids under
the age of forty that yoma how old

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you are forty- four, forty- four tell me and I want to

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know a little voice about not always
the notes you sit and bin you sat

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down already throw a wave. Well, tell me what you think of the

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gas I don' t want anything
I' ve always been the same.

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I want to talk to you.
I also want to talk about other things.

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You saw where you' re from. I' m silver plate.

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I lived in the silver until twenty- four years later the good life,

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expelled me from the silver and went
to live in the city of Buenos Aires.

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You' ve got dad, mom, I' ve got mom,

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dad, dead in two thousand two. So young man, when you left

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your old man, he didn'
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He died in the age of sixty- two and you were twenty-

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two or twenty- two and yes, indeed, well, but you were

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also very old with my mom,
not my mom. My mom took 15

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years with her. You saw it
used before. The difference now is not

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so common. So, well he
passed away and well my mom actually,

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with my brother went on, lived
living in La Plata and you have brothers.

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He' s a brother who lives
in the city at ten kilometers and

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you have. Your mom lives.
My mom lives yes, yes, she

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' s sixty- nine years old
family. Of what were the ornaments,

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the adornis were at what time not
the adornis, the paw, the father

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branch. At some point they were
people of a lot of money, of

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field, of stay, of high
society, let' s say of Argentina

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or of the I don' t
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gave people very well positioned. Well, actually, the creators of the city

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of La Plata were people. It
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generations, of course, were melting
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have the last businesses they had were
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There' s still one with your
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talking about fifty- sixty years ago. I didn' t get any.

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What you studied was you in my
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Plata, at San Luis College,
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and then. Well, then I
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Plata and studied economics. Then,
life in the middle sent me to as

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I said, I worked a lot, a lot, a lot, a

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lot of hours and hours per day
and so on, but what I did

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at the time. I was working
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I worked many years in the automotive
ruble and that made me consume a

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lot of time and travel. It
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The truth was that it was coming
back at twelve o' clock at

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night standing in the collective. You
never came before for me and the media

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how you got here, because I' m going to be radio down.

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There was, but you started to
stream before long ago was not the arrival.

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No, it wasn' t me. Nothing. I was working,

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managing, running companies, I'
m telling you, Rubro Automotor, what

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you' ve generated from dealerships,
cars, car positions. And at that

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moment I started writing almost to say
to download myself into a personal blog that

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nobody read. Of course, I
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I made a criticism at that moment
of that sonerism, a very harsh

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criticism to the point that I had
to delete it later the blog, when

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I became a little more known what
the blog called it. I don'

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t remember. And I don'
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care. You were going up to
the writing. He wrote one of what

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he could do today, what he
could know today as an opinion note.

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And, well, I was writing
alone because no one read to me.

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It wasn' t basically good abrim
and twitter at the time, but it

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' s preparing, it' s
not that you wrote. On the contrary,

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it was your sublimation there if not
you some who paint, others who

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make music and there you put out. Your anger your assent, yes,

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my outrage with csnerism in a way
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I' ve never c for myself
then I could be And there, then

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yes, there, a producer once
wrote me on Twitter and made me happen

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I found the blog. Obviously,
I talked a lot about current affairs,

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politics, economics and Mira tells me
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Rosario. I don' t remember
what it was. Tells me I have

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a free slot. You don'
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current affairs and I was cheered up
as a five- minute adventure. That

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producer then kept calling me as a
guest several radios started listening to other producers

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and you name it. I don' t prefer not to name him,

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because he' s a friend who
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him anonymously with who I' m
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m very grateful. And he started
Emiliano, it' s called the pipe

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name. I was carrying and you
were going and giving up when it was

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going to be the radio. I
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up, but good you were giving
up in the sense of a day kind

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of making a profile that natural,
very natural, of course because, in

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fact, so natural that one of
the few conditions that or of the issues

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that I discussed to join the government
was to remain me and not change.

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And that' s what I always
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this, because I always doubted you
really are like that, I swear to

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you, I come back when you
talk in the morning, but let me

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tell you, I feel like you' re talking coffee, but when you

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turn around, they make you a
Fabian compilation, for example, that boy

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keeps going, yeah, it feels
like he' s been asking me well

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that I end up having phenomen but
it' s a phenomenon, because I

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think they end up being. There' s a need and it' s

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the people on the street that'
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People in the house wouldn' t
be without ador or when I come

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across someone first who call me Fabian, how Fabian is doing. And in

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fact, many think it' s
kind of a sketch, that it'

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s fixed and that we do it
for him to win followers, and I

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to be a fun time at a
conference. And the truth is that not

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you that I tell you what happened
to you when I saw you at first

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hard you answered him a couple of
this half- pink said uy this is

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going to end badly I tell you
and I don' t know if it

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' s going to serve Javier,
because this kid is going to blow up

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a shack, he' s going
to come back to some journalist. And

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this ends in the saddles. But, obviously, you' re obviously familiar

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with the skinny ones that go there, the look that goes to the colleagues

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that go there and understand your game. It' s not agresi it'

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s not personal or you' re
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it was before when the media was
there. It was never personal, either.

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And indeed, in fact, I
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that I have that is the conference. I have a very good relationship with

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them looking, a very good relationship. They come by my office for coffee,

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I say. We have an excellent
relationship. Some others don' t.

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Actually. Fabian, for example,
a guy who never did. He

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looked me out of some whatsapp to
ask me something, but he never said

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that I hand you a coffee chat
we tell me something that is happening so

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that I can have a note ever
and others yes, this is a very

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good relationship. It is true that
the rod came in the subsoil you were

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not before living with characters in pink
house who were, who treated them badly,

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who denied us, who did not
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rod was very low. Regardless of
that, yes, I' m like

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that, I was always like that
and the day I can' t do

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that. I' m going to
ask you something else that I always want

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to understand. Your art can be
an art. I call them art at

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work, which is. It has
no technique, it has no techniques,

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it is not an artistic officer,
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No, it doesn' t have
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have a protocol. You train him
to that art. I mean, you

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get home. You read some kind
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There' s a book I recommend. I don' t know if you

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read the copi logic Not there you
have all the fallacies. When you study

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logic. In philosophy we study the
logic of copi hello, be it dominity,

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vaculum, this fallacy, adverecundian,
etcetera, etcetera. Miley uses many

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fallacies permanently fallacies. Then you with
those fallacies disarm. What the guy comes

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to tell you, you train that
technique. When you go to the bull

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when you go in the morning,
you know what you' re going to

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communicate and then what comes to you
you also have fun to see that every

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day is something new. Not for
me. That has two parts. The

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part says what we or the team
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let' s say where I report, where I know the initial monologue of

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two, three, five or ten
minutes. Obviously, we choose the topics

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and develop them, because there are
very complex issues like I can be energy,

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where one inevitably has to learn from
the issues of the State give.

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There are others who don' t
manage them that I do the economy or

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poop their policy issues that I handle
in a very me way. It is

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very simple to explain about that,
because, in fact, I did it

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for ten twelve, fifteen years,
after all the questions and answer part that

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for me is the most beautiful adrenaline
I can have during the day, it

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gives me how it has a nice
moment. You enjoy that It' s

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totally adrenalinic. One hundred percent,
but I' m sorry you know what

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they can do to see you stay
is a go- round. It'

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s a de jour thing, a
lotto epa clear yes tilidad that you can

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get and good. Otherwise, I
wouldn' t have no, no,

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I wouldn' t feel adrenaline and
you like to do it. I love

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car. I always liked that because
he blindly trusted my common sense. Blindly

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my common sense. It can'
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So it' s hard that having
common sense like I have, you can

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ask me some questions that I can' t answer right now. Common sense

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is what you have to do to
lie down or abbreviate in the day-

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to- day on the street and
how you are there. You walk the

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street, because common sense is changing
your common sense. There is an established

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common sense, there is an established
moral, etcetera, etcetera, in established

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custom, but you change the noise. You saw that you can feel in

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the middle class. Today what you
can feel in three months. How you

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train that good. That is more
difficult because those who join the government and

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I understand that it has been so
with all governments, the first thing you

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start to lose incredibly in a liberal
government, is your freedom. Explain to

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me that' s very nice.
How' s that good. What you

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begin to lose is your freedom because
you begin not to be able to go

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to the places where you went before, because the street is no longer what

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it was before, because you have
to have care that you didn' t

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have before, because you have to
follow protocols that you didn' t even

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imagine existed before. Then you'
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I' m not walking 20 blocks
to my house anymore. I mean,

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you take other precautions and they'
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which is probably the biggest cost I' ve ever done. You were walking

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a little coffee or you were going
to the supermarket. You could say exactly

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you' re still going or you
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I live away from the city on
weekdays. I live in the city on

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weekends. I usually go to a
place 70 kilometers from Acá, where I

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move with absolute freedom in the city. I don' t have much time

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to do it either, but clearly
I' m much more restricted. Let

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' s say clear and that in
fact, the other day, when we

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went with the ministers to Pertuti to
spend the goat for coffee in front of

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May square. Well, let'
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going to have a coffee or tongo
a coffee and we all go out and

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I didn' t remember when it
was the last time I had done it

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freely to walk three blocks let'
s say without thinking about anything and I

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ask you a question. Not to
see you is to say it, and

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it' s another thing to live
it. That' s what I always

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say. You have to fight that
atmosphere and you' re sure it would

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be brave. No. No,
no, no, no, I didn

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' t say that. No.
No, no, because out there the

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theme is that, of course this
comes from an episode of violence that lived

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barely assumed that where I don'
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' t mention it, but in
the amateurism that one has in all this,

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because we, if there is something
that we are not, we are

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not politicians, we are ordinary people. That one day ideas penetrated, so

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that we ended up ruling Argentina.
But we' re not politicians. Personally,

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I don' t want to do
it either, regardless of how this

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goes on, I don' t
want to do it. And the truth

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is that, well, in a
recital I had the tickets and in that

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I repeat, in that amateurism that
has one at first, well I went

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with it I had taken them out
six months before all this happened. I

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went to the country to see Fito
Paez and well, very good reception of

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the people. But, of course, the exit was waiting for me.

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They hit me tight, they attacked
me, and from there I took another

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kind of drills. How you react
to the scratche. No need to react

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narrowly, no matter what happens.
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because the clack is that the crache
takes you to the limit filming you and

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trying to react. And that'
s not going to happen, it'

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s not going to happen to me, and it' s not going to

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happen to me I understand that no
other official who thinks that could happen to

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him. But, well, that' s the paradox. Not because it

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' s true, that' s
liberal, it' s amazing, but

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you' re going to learn freedom, you' re losing not all of

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it, of course. But anyway, the reception I have on the street

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is excellent. You must have a
good street. It is not excellent what

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does not prevent one from unfailingly taking
care to avoid bad moments. Sure,

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sure, you avoid them. But
the reception is good because of the little

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that one, that one travels,
the little that one walks and the little

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that one shares with freedom. Indeed, the reception is very good. How

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far is your office from Javier'
s? It' s like you'

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re going on three stairs and another
one hundred and fifty meters. Well,

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I' m still with you and
I can ask you another question about your

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relationship, about the relationship with Javier
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I' m interested to know how
because you' re your face when you

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show up, you' re the
face of the government you prepare for the

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issues, that is, you prepare
them with your team you' re armed,

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you' re organized. It'
s going to be today fal say

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that I worked it, you bring
three and you tell this you pass this

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regasification in is this boat is worth
so much in the cubic meter so much

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you' re barking it with the
theme. Yeah, let me see,

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of course, back there I have
a team that, luckily, is a

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team. Let' s just say
lucky, people, what' s going

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on there They' re about to
bring the clock, because this me without

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the clock, I can' t, it doesn' t work. Now,

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yeah, you' re not gonna
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been a long time since this thing
worked without a watch. Or I don

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' t remember when the committee started
to happen to you, but it started

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to happen to me if you bank
you' re an option. I have

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my socissive disorders, which we have
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t have much or I have the
air, I have the microphone that recently

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runs it. People, start the
a and program. Well, the company

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' s betting time clock supported you. If you don' t have it,

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I' m never going to make
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obviously we' ve been using the
cell phone for so many years,

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so it' s not the decorating
element. No, no, anyone you

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have that you have a watch.
I' ve worn watches without a stack

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for a long time. Yeah,
but I have to. I have to

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have a watch. But because now
another interview begins. Why tell me,

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why not. I don' t
know I don' t know I don

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' t know. No, but
it' s how it came. Let

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' s say with clothes, let' s say for me it' s

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part of the dress, apart from
the presence, part of the security and

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how you' re with punctuality,
over time, you connect to that.

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I was always the most punctual guy
in the world. Now that started to

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change. It doesn' t matter
now, but the punctual profit. If

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I told you when I was sixteen, I' d see you at four.

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I was always on time, and
it always irritated me a lot.

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The impuntuality comes later and I was
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I probably would' ve stood you
up, followed me. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah. And a question. The
clock that' s like this doesn

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' t have any value that it
means, it doesn' t have.

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It' s not a role,
but like this, it' s not

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a medium clock, but yes,
it' s not exactly a role if

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you do, don' t mark
how much you do that you use,

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even if you' re the clock, but don' t dial the time

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forever or for a little while,
that I didn' t ever care what

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never mattered to you to feel the
clock, to feel the crazy serious that

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interesting about the monnalyzing always of the
Manegia, always. Well, you were

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telling me this about your team,
you' re working, with the team

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I have, a team back there, barbarous of professionals and people who put

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it all in at 24 hours because, in short, here I sit with

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you and something happened five minutes ago. I have to be clear and the

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truth is that there is a multiplicity
of incredible issues within what can happen in

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what we care about is the national
spectrum. So yes, indeed, they

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work twenty- four hours seeing what
happens, what doesn' t happen and

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putting so much of each of the
situations wrong. I would be interested to

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chat with you Manuel this topic that
I propose, which is to talk about

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why Javier transforms into this the present
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First, because I think you understand
communications. Second, you started thinking

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about power if you had that blog
and I wrote if it was because you

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were interested in what was going on
beyond your nose life. I started to

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realize it. I know Javier'
s known him forever. Of the first

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Manuel program first, but the first, one of the first was ours,

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mine, loose animals. It was
a mere coincidence that he arrived. I

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didn' t go, I was
one of the first and I always had

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a closeness with him to being when
he needed it. I think that is

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what has kept us and continues to
support us. United He was one day

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with a media blackout, Manuel Total, but Manuel Total Total and came in

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eura. He made an extraordinary note
and they started calling him back, because

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of course if the producer follows the
explosion, if this guy came out in

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all the courts, and I'
m gonna call him Miley again. But

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I want to tell you this.
I started to realize it. I traveled

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at night and I was going to
see my dad at that time. Actually,

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the house of my going had already
passed away, that the chabono that

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worked in the service station and the
delivery man, but especially the type of

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the beach, of the service station
fanatical of my law and broke me.

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The egg with milia and the madman
my law. We' re going with

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Miley and my law and my law
and the humblest thing you saw, this

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guy is stealing the political subject from
Peronism. It can' t be pinche

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pam boom me. You have an
explanation of what happened, because we never

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saw what happened. Today he is
President and has a pregnance to the most

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there are many people, but from
below he wants what the least have.

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What happened, Manuel Well, it
all happened. I think the answer I

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have to give you is long and, in fact, I don' t

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think the whole program would reach me
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that' s where Argentina comes from. There comes a process of brutal,

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brutal devastation And I always tell a
talk I had with a friend when I

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was eighteen, in a discussion about
the more right, the more left,

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and at that time I would ask
him that I think it was at the

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time of the rúa, that ultimately, it didn' t matter how many

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poor people, but that what mattered
is that one isn' t, that

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one makes all the effort not to
be and that actually allows one to live

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well. And he was asking my
friend in that scotch talk that that was

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fake, that that couldn' t
be given, because, in fact,

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where there were getting poorer, what
was going to end up happening is that

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you weren' t going to be
able to live because effectively, you weren

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' t going to be able to
go out on the street. I was

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always convinced of my idea that it
did not matter what was going on on

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the other side of my window and
at a time that I cannot identify when

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it was understood that indeed, my
friend was right, even though it was

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the left, that it was all
that I did not preach and all that

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I hated was the ideology of my
friend that today that is still one of

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my best friends or my best friend. And at the same time I realized

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that I was right and that I
was not going to be able to be

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happy or develop here. No matter
what I do, it doesn' t

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matter if I was the best student, the best professional, if luck was

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with me, if here gave a
fortune, this wasn' t going to

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work. Okay. As a matter
of fact, I' ll say.

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I have, like every young person
in my generation, like every person in

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my generation, when I was young, we had ideas closer to Peronism.

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If you want to, and I
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It had to be changed because at
some point he was going to have

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children, at that time he had
no children and those children were actually going

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to leave the country, because those
children were going to be born with the

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conception that one could not live in
an impoverished country. And that' s

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where I started to change my mind. That' s where I began to

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understand that this had somehow changed it. I never really felt that that solution

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was going to be given by participating
in a government no matter what ideology.

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You never imagined it. Not until
19 November. I didn' t actually

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imagine it on the 20th of November, already Javier Miley elected in the morning.

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I didn' t think so.
I imagined it in the afternoon when

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I came to greet him, but
not before, And well and the weather

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today I am more and more convinced
that, indeed, you cannot live in

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an impoverished country and in a country
that has no future. It doesn'

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t matter how it goes with you. This is not a matter of masters

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and why, why, why,
why he did it or And I think

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that my thing happened to a lot
of people it brings give it what I

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think happened to me in other times
and with other thoughts and in other circumstances

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it was happening to a lot of
people I saw. I believe that,

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however, the pandemic was a point
of infection. I believe that if the

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pandemic had not occurred, that I
wish it had not happened, because we

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would have avoided thousands and thousands and
thousands of deaths in Argentina. But I

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believe that the pandemic allowed populism to
last no more than ten or fifteen years

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in power. I think we were, we had a certain re- elected

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Alberto and we would have had more
than eight years. I don' t

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end up in doubt, because Argentina
still believed, many Argentines believed in that

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fantasy of the present state, the
state takes care of you, the state

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is there with you and it'
s the only way to save you and

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have I think that after what happened
with the quarantine, with the olive photo,

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with the vaccination, there goes more
than the vaccination of olive trees.

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Trevip' s bacon is interesting,
as you put it to me. The

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photo is absolutely rupturistic in modern political
history. It was for you. The

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photo is rupturistic because in an olive
photo of the FAE the veil is dropped,

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the mask of populism falls. It' s not poor. You as

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I accumulate wealth, or accumulate party, or accumulate freedom. Or yes,

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of course, he was a breaker
and of course he was a point of

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infection. But you notice that at
that moment and I link it to my

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thought, I had had many years
before this had to be changed. What

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happened to the young people was that
they saw their grandparents die, their parents

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melt and they saw each other,
they came to their peers, they could

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not study, because they are the
younger ones saw their grandparents die, sink

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and they themselves could not study,
their companions, they could not advance in

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their studies or without having quality study, or they closed schools or universities and

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they saw the face of populism.
Populism is that. Populism kills you,

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impoverishes you, melts you and haunts
you, because it' s the only

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way to survive populism, and populism
needs some other questions, which is to

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lock you up. O O O
O O O O O O s s

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s s the world let us say
Cuba because it survived so many years,

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so many decades, the Castro and
the dictatorship, because they did not let

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you see that there was on the
other side of the island. And populism

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has that, populism doesn' t
let you see on the other side,

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on the other side of the border, because it needs you to live a

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reality, but it also needs resources. And what happened to you in the

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pandemic was you ran out of resources. Then it was an explosive cocktail.

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They saw your grandparents killed or died, they saw the boys die, their

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grandparents died, their parents melted,
they saw them without education and, in

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addition, they were cut off from
the world and without resources. That state

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I was telling you I was not
there and it was absolutely disruptive. That

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moment. It was disruptive and I
think Javier Miley emerges. It would have

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emerged the same at some point,
because populism is doomed to always collapse populism,

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because one day you ran out of
resources to dilapidate resources. You have

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the fridge full, yes, you
can devote yourself to consuming what is on

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the hillside. In a moment the
fridge if you don' t work to

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fill it, you end up emptying
again and you end up starving. And

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that' s populism. So my
law some things. I' m telling

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you the truth, I' m
a friend of his. Then, of

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course, they have some Sejo,
but I think he would have been the

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same President in a moment, he
would have won the street and public opinion

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anyway. You opened me up here, because that' s exactly where I

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was going. There' s always
an argument about it. Politics or political

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expression is carried on the horse of
the time, that is, the time

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when a epoch changes, when something
is dislocated, when an invention appears,

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or when there is a new technique
or a new knowledge makes appear a new

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way of doing politics or if it
is politics, a new form of politics

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that transforms an example epoch, never
anyone had been able to imagine the appearance

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of communism, if the steam engine
had not appeared, because the steam engine

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generated the industry, which generated proletariat, which generated, among other things,

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the explosion in Russia and which then
generated half of the world, on one

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side, on the other. This
is debatable and no one will agree.

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Now my doubt and I want to
bollock it with you we outline an idea.

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It' s Javier Emerge for a
changing world. Then people like him

415
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,319
appear. Or he is a disruption, it is a fault in the matrix,

416
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,920
as in the speech of the architect
who speaks with neo and tells him

417
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,480
if I am the architect, I
am the one who I am doing.

418
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,839
The matrix ta trapasa that you ran
faster than the others are faster. Besides,

419
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,599
you' re a system failure and
you have to be eliminated. My

420
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,319
question is Javier, what is a
matrix failure, because the guy arrives and

421
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,480
today receives it the chat Openhe receives
it, Sugar, receives it in the

422
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,759
great leaders of the world and is
like a kind of world figure. It

423
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,000
comes because the world changed and put
it to him. Or this is the

424
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,480
first of others. I don'
t hope it' s the first of

425
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,720
others. I believe that behind everything
in the matrix, as you call it,

426
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,640
there must be a lot of right
ideas. Behind the right man,

427
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,680
there' s got to be the
right ones and there' s room You

428
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,880
' re brought back from every mistake
of the Matrix. In case it is.

429
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,160
No, no, but it'
s a right word for you.

430
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,680
It' s not like let me
get this straight,' cause it'

431
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,240
s in my mouth. It'
s not negative. No. No,

432
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:55,599
no, no, for no one
you didn' t understand it take it

433
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,200
is a map that comes dominating the
world in Argentina, a Matrix, but

434
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:06,319
neither this classical political populist who split
radicals, let' s change Peronism,

435
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Radicals change Peronism at least forty of
the years of the eighty- three to

436
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:15,599
here and suddenly they occur, anomaly
the Matrix and appear, Javier appears,

437
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,359
There does not appear an extreme Peronist. You saw the subject. It'

438
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,279
s good. In fact, in
Matrix you what you see in a moment

439
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,119
is that some people, knowing that
St Matrix existed and that they were living

440
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,680
a fantasy, wanted to follow,
should follow the famous two pills? The

441
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,519
famous two pills? Meanwhile, as
for that matrix, it promises them a

442
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,920
pleasant life and, ultimately, here
what happened was that. Let' s

443
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,759
also say Peronism, while people were
fooled by promising that they were the only

444
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:49,960
way to have something, because on
top of that is that. Not only

445
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:55,920
did they promise you something, a
crumb. Well, it was all working

446
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:56,799
out. Then it seems to me
that what happened wasn' t what he

447
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,759
was a mistake in the matrix.
I think the matrix broke and no one

448
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,880
understood why the matrix broke. We
did understand. I did get it,

449
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,079
and I understood it a lot before
it broke. Come on, let'

450
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,839
s get some space. You understood
that before it broke, because you saw

451
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,519
that this didn' t have to
go on like this. And I was

452
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,640
the first one that I was wrong
in the two thousand fifteen and when I

453
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:18,240
was one of the first ones he
said they didn' t come back anymore,

454
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,759
I was wrong. I thought the
matrix had indeed been broken there.

455
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:27,400
Then I understood that in the end
Nio was not a child, he was

456
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,240
not the Savior. How you thought
and you understood that politics had been broken

457
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,119
before many people did not know if
before the olfall died before this last episode

458
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:44,160
and Javier Miley seemed to me to
represent that, represented the tiredness, represented

459
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:49,720
the awakening of a society that said
gentlemen, enough, have ruined the life

460
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,720
of us, of our children,
of our parents. It' s over.

461
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:59,000
Well, I' m asking you, I' m still talking about

462
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:07,839
communication. I like to talk to
you a lot I understand smelling I feel

463
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,440
that slowly in these last twenty-
six hours, a little more ten days

464
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:19,680
or so, not much, but
the potentiometer of the lime has turned a

465
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,319
little bit more from the traditional and
classical media to name it whatever you want.

466
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,880
Not much, eh, but the
potentiometer has accelerated already. That speed

467
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,519
isn' t that red, but
the car' s already started speeding up.

468
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,400
It' s every day pin ping. Today, for example, I

469
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,359
believe that all subjects are cultural facilities. Today the debate about the installation in

470
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,279
society was the fault that it lacks
genea imagine the chabona that in Bahía Blanca

471
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,680
went to carry genesebo in Pringle went
to carry genese and had no one with

472
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,160
whom. I get angry with the
linings that were before or with these linings

473
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,960
that haven' t made a goal
yet, because that' s how the

474
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,160
angry guy thinks. She doesn'
t think I' m mad at Peronism

475
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,400
very well and she' s angry. That' s very good. Where

476
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,039
you' re not seeing this or
at least or I see it paranoidally.

477
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,519
I think we' ll say everything. I think it happened to me when

478
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,519
I was in the media. It
seems to me that there are media that

479
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:17,519
work in a more honest way than
others and within each of the media there

480
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:23,279
are journalists who act more honestly than
others. But that' s what I

481
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:27,480
deserved It was always like that.
And with what you connect, I go

482
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,359
the truth, the word, but
with what you connect, the adjective or

483
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:35,559
the word honesty, with his political
ideas or with something else, because I

484
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,279
could tell you with the greatest objectivity. The objective does not exist, but

485
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:44,400
with the greatest possible objectivity. And
it seems to me that when you see

486
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,680
or do sapping that you notice who
does it for us. If you criticize

487
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,400
us, we would probably tell you
look not the truth that this is not

488
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,599
so, but that you do it
from an intellectual honesty that you actually think.

489
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,680
That thing that you' re not
in surplus or tight by the owner

490
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,119
of the medium to have to tell
you this or that thing. And there

491
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,039
are other situations that you see are
a little more complex to analyze, because

492
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:12,400
you don' t understand why one
day is also another day is wrong or

493
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,000
because one day they think one thing
and the other day, about the same

494
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,559
thing, they think different. I, on Sunday I have a note with

495
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:22,359
an important medium that I am also
thinking that this topic will be discussed.

496
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,359
I' m not going to quote
you, but I encourage you to fly

497
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,960
it and I' m going to
steal your idea, at least to understand,

498
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,480
it could be an of but I
don' t. How do you

499
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,079
respond to this idea that Javier attacks
journalism? It doesn' t attack journalism.

500
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,880
That' s part of some journalists' lie. Why not see that

501
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,759
he doesn' t attack Javier Millete. In fact, with you he took

502
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,960
barbarous and with a lot of journalists
he has an excellent relationship. In fact,

503
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,359
I don' t know if other
Presidents have written with journalists as directly

504
00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:01,440
as they do Millay, and I
think that' s what you might want

505
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:06,279
to refer to. That' s
what many said, well, the ex

506
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:10,639
- abrupts with this or that journalist
or the comments on Twitter on that issue.

507
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,760
And if you look at every one
of those quotation marks you defined,

508
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:23,639
just now. That' s when
there' s a lie through which compromises

509
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,960
if that lie had been about a
sensitive subject, it would have created a

510
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,000
problem. And, besides, when
they mess with their personal life, what

511
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,440
if I, in a journalist'
s role, mess with your son,

512
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,679
how would you react and this exceeds
that. That is not the President of

513
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:49,159
the Nation, because, indeed,
what he does is to be as he

514
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:54,039
always was, because if someone pretends
to change him because he was President,

515
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:59,199
they were wrong when they voted this
listen to me You knew him long ago.

516
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,239
It wasn' t always the same. Now someone wanted me to change.

517
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,920
He' s not gonna do it. It wasn' t going to

518
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,599
be December 10th, it' s
not going to be December 10th, and

519
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:07,039
it' s not going to in
four years. He' s gonna refer

520
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:08,360
to this because I don' t
know him as well as you do.

521
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,960
It was always like that. It' s true guy. He' s

522
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000
always attacked himself with lies, and
that' s how it is. He

523
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:15,800
' s not going to field batio
and he' s not going to change.

524
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:19,920
Why they want me to change,
what' s the reason for the

525
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,639
President to change. No, not
me, I want to tell you the

526
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,119
matrix. I could say because to
be President you have to have another way,

527
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:29,800
etcetera, etcetera. And he'
s President. And there it is

528
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,960
with fifty- six, fifty-
seven percent positive image. Today at least

529
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,639
stop asking for what you always asked
for. They always asked for a president.

530
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,440
While they always asked for president don' t be honest and always ask

531
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,639
with a president change each one at
the time of assuming and here won'

532
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,639
t happen. It' s not
gonna happen to him, and I hope

533
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,880
it doesn' t happen to any
of the officials. Personally. In fact,

534
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,280
when I find out, say,
or in a very atypical talk,

535
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:02,760
the idea begins to form that I
pass to the government to be in the

536
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,440
ranks of the front line of government. Let' s say the first thing

537
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,159
I said was if they' re
gonna ask me to change half a millimeter.

538
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,159
What I am is how I express
myself or some other question that does

539
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,159
my forms forget, for I do
not add up and it seems to me

540
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:29,159
that it is a position that happens
to have all the functioning of the government

541
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,079
when it happens that we are not
used to first a government of non-

542
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:37,199
politicians and we are not companies and
we are not used to people who simply

543
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:37,960
grab a microphone and tell the truth
that I know. Then it may surprise

544
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:42,880
you or you may fall worse than
if I came here to flatter you and

545
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,840
say that you are beautiful and that
your children are barbarians and that your work

546
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,440
is great and that you had a
future. I' m not gonna tell

547
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,880
you around. I' ll tell
you if I' m sorry, if

548
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,599
I think about it and that'
s what I believe, and if I

549
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:52,559
don' t, I' ll
tell you. Like it or not.

550
00:36:53,559 --> 00:37:00,960
And that led to a lie from
some journalist. The least we have to

551
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,320
ask the President is that he actually
reacts, because if he does not react,

552
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:07,000
it is because President Cambilla is not
who he was. And that'

553
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:13,079
s where you' re going to
have to stop trusting him, that is,

554
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,760
when he' s no longer my
law until you keep this ice cream

555
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,079
yourself. But, of course,
because he, since I' ve known

556
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,719
him like that, doesn' t
ask him to be what he' s

557
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:35,679
not going to do. Just why
don' t you see it. I

558
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,719
didn' t stay thinking maybe here
people are whatever it is with you the

559
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:50,000
subject is thinking if if Guillermo isn' t a little something that completes that

560
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,639
for politics you wear traditional politics or
traditional demands the matrix, asks him.

561
00:37:53,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Give us normal, give us something
we can understand by a known knowledge,

562
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,880
by a known knowledge, by a
known technique. Don' t change everything.

563
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,320
Give us something where we can hold
on. Give us something. Perhaps

564
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,400
William will come to complete a little
that which politics is demanding may be yes,

565
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,559
why not. And that does not
escape naturality and does not escape high

566
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:25,039
activity and total. I remember.
I three or two or three weeks,

567
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,719
just the other day I remembered him
with him having coffee in his office,

568
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,239
two or three weeks of the pass
I went to dinner with him at the

569
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,440
house. Only the two with whom
Javier Miley, who was still not and

570
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,679
had not passed the steps and at
a time of the talk, grabs the

571
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:45,960
Table and tells me this Table that
you see here, says to me I

572
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:52,360
do not like it. The truth
is, I' d rather not have

573
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,960
it, and the truth is,
it doesn' t match my tastes.

574
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,800
But you know what happens. The
table is here and we have to eat

575
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,559
and we have to talk and we
have to do it around this table,

576
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:12,000
because we can' t change it
Today, I don' t understand the

577
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,960
table that politics or the state is
there. The way to do politics is

578
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,800
there, the way to run the
state is there. The way you have

579
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,639
to go forward the country is there. And there are things that you think

580
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,159
to me that I like to still
have to watch the 30th of June,

581
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,039
which is the next cleaning of employees, to know who can be discharged,

582
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:30,280
who can not, what contracts is
terminated, who can not. This permanent

583
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,960
struggle against a bureaucracy that only slows
you down, is not letting you do

584
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,360
it is putting sticks on the wheel
and not. But it' s there

585
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,719
and it' s there. You
have to live with that and I don

586
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:46,760
' t answer you for what you
refer to or maybe what you left behind

587
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,440
and politics. This is it.
The cabinet has to be there. There

588
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,199
must be people who are useful for
each of the issues that you need to

589
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:00,199
govern. There must be people who
know, who know how to talk to

590
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,559
the old sis and labras in the
pink house. I' m basically in

591
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:12,400
the past home. Ask what it
has to do with you clearly personal how

592
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,159
you work. The issue of guilt. You tell me that in June there

593
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,960
' s going to be what'
s going to happen to the employees,

594
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,679
there' s going to be a
new employee drop. In June there will

595
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,039
be good, there is a universe
of employees that are under review, the

596
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:30,800
famous seventy zero that announced at the
beginning of the government, of the President,

597
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,679
of all that is subject to revision
and that can some moment be made

598
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,960
of casualties of those seventy thousand and
fifteen zero that continued to decline. And

599
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,480
the truth is that the work is
very hard, because you have to do

600
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:47,320
a very surgical job, because the
only one we want to fire is that

601
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,400
one works and is so militant that
there were many frederate a second. And

602
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,239
if I' m militant and I
work, what do you do militant things

603
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,000
and work not to see not us. No. I work with conclusioners and

604
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,880
happy work with wantonnerists, because they
are technicians, because they are people who

605
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,840
add up, people who bet on
the work of o. It has nothing

606
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,199
to do with what you sciences politically, that you work with the generalist,

607
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,480
something else, with one you have
so militant look I work the two you

608
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,079
see me every day at home Rosa. I pass if I make you so

609
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:23,079
the one that ne a particular character, maybe I was wrong and maybe I

610
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:27,719
work with a lot of peronist court, not so much court that that nerist,

611
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,360
because it needs is more irrational,
then it is more difficult, maybe

612
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,519
it will be useful for the function. But on the other side of that

613
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,840
job, you have a guy who' s having a hard time putting a

614
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,760
plate of food on top of the
table and who' s paying his taxes.

615
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Then put this thing away from the
cup. There' s a guy

616
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:47,599
who runs out of no no so
the other side has a guy who eats

617
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,679
us. That' s what I
was going to ask you. You feel

618
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:57,320
that there is no guilt, because, on the contrary, what we are

619
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,320
doing is or are going on a
path in which we want that guy,

620
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,800
who doesn' t have to eat
tomorrow, to start eating from a mind.

621
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,880
And part of that is cleaning up
the state, because the state has

622
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,000
to understand, which is another question
that the matrix convinced you since you were

623
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:17,480
born the state you. Indeed,
it is a free matter that is there,

624
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,440
that it does not matter that no
one pays for it and not on

625
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,639
the other side. You have forty- seven million Argentines who support it and

626
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:29,159
of those forty- seven million Argentines, you have five million Argentines who do

627
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:34,199
not eat every day. And you' ve got a million three hundred thousand

628
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,280
kids under the age of fourteen who
don' t eat every day. And

629
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,039
the person who has a militant job, who doesn' t add value to

630
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,519
the state, who doesn' t
work or who isn' t or who

631
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:49,199
doesn' t hate what you come
up with, is being held up by

632
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:49,840
those people who don' t eat
and it' s not fair. That

633
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,960
makes it our fault not to have
the bureaucracy give you more speed to correct

634
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,559
all these real inequities that the system
has. That' s the real inequity

635
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:05,320
that someone who doesn' t have
to gnaw on the other side a militant

636
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,719
job. There' s no reason
for that to be flaking around. The

637
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,079
other day, with Laura de Marco, she answered me at the touch,

638
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:15,079
I tell her. We could draw
an analogy between the social plan and the

639
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:22,320
pattern. The social plan as a
permanent bureaucratized question that keeps you so that

640
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,519
and you lose your ability to work. You' re losing your ability.

641
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,679
There is the example in his book
of a Toyota operator, that the chabon

642
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,679
had lived a little one, that
had lived all his life, of pattern,

643
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,719
of paut Mira, that failed all
his life, had lived of social

644
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,480
plan. And when Toyota takes it, he didn' t come to work

645
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,599
Tuesdays and Thursdays and they said"
che". But he had to come

646
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,239
every day. Not as you all
say, you don' t work every

647
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,800
day, because culturally it was detonated
what they had done in their head shut.

648
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,559
When we banned human, the Home
Office was not because we didn'

649
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,239
t understand the future and we didn' t realize that there was work that

650
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,840
could be done in the house or
symple that we were meeting and the next

651
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,960
day we have only at home Rosa. There were seven hundred people making an

652
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,239
end to entering then in some way
to sort it out. That' s

653
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,119
because I repeat you again, because
on the other side there are a lot

654
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:16,599
of people who don' t morph
every day as they correspond. But let

655
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,599
me go or you already have that
scheme. Let me go to the question.

656
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,960
I said when these kids attack traditional
journalism. Then I want to talk

657
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,000
a little bit about communication with the
theme of the guideline and this drooling of

658
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,559
the guideline came out as an analogy
of the social plan. You don'

659
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:36,840
t cut me off from the social
plan and I put sixty zero people in

660
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:43,559
front of development. I didn'
t come out I' ll line you

661
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,119
up to wait for the best veil. You' re not going to go

662
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,079
to the reporters to make you a
camp, but you' re going to

663
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,360
dance. Manuel you know that when
you said that, I said, these

664
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,320
kids don' t know where they' re getting into it. You'

665
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,320
re getting into a three- phase
three eighty and it' s okay.

666
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,119
It' s okay. How much
I put you from December zero zero,

667
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,840
literally zero weight. Since the central
administration we spend zero weight on the guideline.

668
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,400
You feel like you weren' t
informed. No. No. Then

669
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,599
I' ll discuss whether you'
re well or poorly informed. I'

670
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,239
m telling you, you lacked information. You lacked contact every day with government

671
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:21,079
issues. No, which I'
m not gonna get the devil' s

672
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,119
lawyer to hear your answer. Be
is even more forceful. I could say

673
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,800
well yes, topic of vaccination campaigns, deng et cetera. The yess because

674
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:37,599
the law allows me to make them
free of charge. I made them and,

675
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,679
in fact, I have a lot
of elements to make them for free,

676
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,880
not only on TV on the radio, but I also have thousands and

677
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,000
thousands of screens in the middle of
transportation. I have a lot of elements

678
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:54,360
to communicate now that before, the
only thing that was done was, of

679
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,000
course, to create means to lead
guidelines. Well, I don' t

680
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,119
know about that. We don'
t. The pattern' s not coming

681
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,199
back. Well at some point I
don' t know the decision today is

682
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,480
that there is no pattern to see, while obviously we have this poverty in

683
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,840
Argentina. You rational I' m
going to quote completely. It would be

684
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,440
absolutely rational for me to return the
pattern and it' s fine and what

685
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,480
do you think of trans journalism I
think there are two types of payment.

686
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,920
I imagine I don' t know, but I imagine there are two kinds

687
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,039
of guidelines. Not the official pattern, let' s say the one that

688
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,039
you know how I advertise you here
in eura and good you charge for that

689
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:39,519
on the part of the state and
I understand that later I imagine that I

690
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,440
should also see a money for directing
certain journalists that was escaping from that scheme,

691
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,840
from that formal scheme. Let'
s say pattern. It' s

692
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,719
one of my imaginations, but I
guess it' s not just the state

693
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,960
' s pattern. I think there
were other schemes as well, and let

694
00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:00,079
us not forget that the guideline I
always speak to you national guideline, but

695
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,199
you have province and so, but
apart, there is no talk of a

696
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,039
pattern of the Cartel of Sinaloa.
If you are led by a province,

697
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:07,920
a municipality, or who you are
if you make the determination as a state.

698
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,920
But I think I' m telling
you. I know you only today,

699
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:20,320
but you have a speed to play
casparonian. You just dialed gnomes.

700
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,079
You dream a lot, I mean, I dream a lot lately sounds more

701
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,119
g before and that' s what
you dreamt of and that' s sound

702
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:35,760
with alternative payment schemes. Yeah,
I don' t think so, but

703
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,800
I mean it could have been.
And, well, in that case,

704
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,519
I' d know better. You' re more of a journalist, more

705
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:44,840
of a ras and more years of
experience than I am. Memo was a

706
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,000
Tuck and I' m leaving in
Sani' s media and you dreamt that.

707
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:54,119
I do a lot of dream about
that sopican ten widths ago that I

708
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,639
am that listen to what you see
from traditional media. You think there'

709
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:04,360
s a shift in the way people
are informed. I think so. I

710
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,400
believe that traditional media are on the
way to merging with the new media.

711
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,599
And it seems to me that that' s a matter of time and it

712
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:15,960
' s going to happen as we
know them, they' re going to

713
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:22,000
disappear. Another thing Javier breaks is
direct communication. Since x did never see

714
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:27,199
that. No. No, no, no, no. Perhaps Trump had

715
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:35,079
a scheme that now comes to mind, a similar system for communicating. Okay.

716
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,760
The thing is, we' re
a generation with good. In fact,

717
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,920
I got to the media. In
fact, I got to where I

718
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,679
am today. By networks, by
networks, by networks, on the one

719
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,199
hand, it doesn' t matter, by the new way of communicating and

720
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,960
then. My jump, if you
want a little bit of that little popularity,

721
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,719
was via Twitter, the old Twitter, of the one hundred and forty

722
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,079
characters, because yes also start with
one hundred and forty after it has spread

723
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:06,360
two eighty and it seems to me
that the media will undergo a change.

724
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:12,159
And aside because today the media as
such is not viable. Not half the

725
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,280
old one and a half of the
old man' s viable hands. So,

726
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,800
today, with a little camera there
is a good condition of the Internet.

727
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:22,400
You do your own show with a
part, a thousand- messis,

728
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:24,719
a very small part. The cost
that you have doing one in a big

729
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,559
TV studio, what sense does none
make. I have six and seven minutes

730
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,280
left. Unfortunately, he flew almost
an hour hand in the super hitch but

731
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,000
other cultural battle stuff. Everyone stays
in this cultural battle, et cetera,

732
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:42,199
et cetera. I believe I read
and I am asking you what the cultural

733
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,880
battle is in the day- to- day, in the day- to

734
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,960
- day on the installant We,
as a society, usually think semiotically,

735
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,159
think with signs. We are used
to reaction, action with signs or symbol,

736
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,639
a traffic light in roo I see
the red light and brake is not

737
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:06,239
under explanation. You must stop,
not park, not park, because this

738
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:13,840
is an area. That miotic is
a symbol. The media traditionally report by

739
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:23,079
symbols, symbol sign social plans.
Now the whole organization of social plans steals

740
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:32,320
traditional politics, castes my law and
all this crazy distraught government learns the good

741
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,760
medium, but it' s like
the battle of installing the posters. That

742
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:44,039
' s why I' m trying
all the time and that' s what

743
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:49,119
my saying made famous the phrase on
your show in this one you had in

744
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,400
America of hand human interviews when he
said this is clear. This is the

745
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:58,320
battle between those who labor, in
those who pretend to live from those who

746
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,880
labor. The country was in the
middle. With that logic, it'

747
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,159
s a question. A lot of
people live in the state in Argentina.

748
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,800
Now that you' re in pretty
much that idea, look at how you

749
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,840
got that idea of Javier' s
phrase on our animal show, you said

750
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,920
he saw it there and he'
s talking. Many astars have been divided

751
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,079
between those who work and those who
live in the state before the Argentine congressman

752
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,000
Este. But you can live laboring
the state. Of course, how do

753
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:29,760
you come up with a Belli Boni, how do you come up with a

754
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,760
moyano? How it occurs to you
that there are these characters who accompany us

755
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,159
twenty, thirty, forty years ago, fifty years driving people, driving workers

756
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,960
on one side of the other side. But you can' t leave with

757
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:45,559
a lot of needs anymore. I
don' t represent truck drivers and design

758
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:46,519
anyone, but it hasn' t
represented anyone for a long time. They

759
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,320
say they represent someone, but they
don' t represent anyone. You think

760
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,840
that the burrow that rises again top
of mena feels represented by this unionism.

761
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,199
Or think about the one who collects
a social plan because he really needs it,

762
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,000
because life doesn' t play a
bad game for him It' s

763
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:06,880
because they want Biliboni. Now it' s reasonable that all those people are

764
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,159
against what we do, because if
we' re doing well, they disappear.

765
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,440
Now they' re going to tell
that the word disappearance. It disappears

766
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,639
in the sense of being an actor, as a social actor, as an

767
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:25,199
actor of representation. They keep the
usufruct of the poor, not four final

768
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:31,400
minutes. And maybe this is really
the stamp of the talk, of the

769
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,880
first talk we' re going to
hear of several, because I' d

770
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,880
like us to get together from time
to time to talk, to throw in

771
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:49,119
neuro where you say if you are
doing well and succeed and retire a matrix

772
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,719
of many years, if you thought
that, ultimately, it was going to

773
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,480
be solved only with biology, that
one day you would be great, you

774
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:01,800
would turn ninety hundred years and a
good day if you were going to run

775
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,800
unfailingly for natural issues of the scene. But there it goes and it seems

776
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,400
to me that it is also going
forward It is very good that it is

777
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,639
so, that people begin to see
what ruined them, what ruined Argentina for

778
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:14,679
them. The question goes when they
will be allowed to do something, Emmanuel,

779
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,239
because they do not have to see
now, for example, profits in

780
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,599
the provinces of the South. Nacho
Torres and company wanted a discharge to seal

781
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,440
there to be given to the May
Pact. I am company. Let us

782
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:29,000
make every effort to ensure that it
is not the May Pact, etc.

783
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:34,199
I mean, you don' t
feel like it' s time now where

784
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,599
the bracing saw you remember the count. I think to say, there'

785
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,320
s the staloon that hit the moment
you' re there about to win or

786
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,119
get beat. I mean, you
think they' re gonna loosen up sometime.

787
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,800
He' s gonna win. He' s gonna win. Yeah,

788
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,960
I' m sure he' ll
win. No, no, the times

789
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,000
are God' s. Times don' t handle it. But it'

790
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,679
s going to win because it'
s very elementary. What people voted for

791
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,880
and not 20 years ago. People
voted for it six months ago. That

792
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:05,239
' s going to be won because
it' s part of the battle that

793
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,159
was won. You don' t
have nine November. You don' t

794
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:13,440
have to shut this down. You
have no doubt that Javier ends his term.

795
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,519
Why shouldn' t I finish it. They don' t remind me

796
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:25,320
of the reason. All that has
come to speak Matrix, the system that

797
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,159
before you tell me half of Argentina
lived by the State and there are fifteen

798
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:35,639
million Argentines watching the State fifteen million. That' s not people. People

799
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,559
understood. People understood what happened in
Argentina. In fact, look what we

800
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:45,920
say. No one can deny that
people lost part of their purchasing power these

801
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,960
months with private inflation and people understood, understood that this is part of starting

802
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,159
to tell the truth, starting to
take the trash down the carpet and start

803
00:54:54,199 --> 00:55:00,360
correcting everything they did. That explains
to the guarismos of fifty- five percent

804
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,880
of support. There' s no
reason. What' s going on.

805
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,280
Something happened that had never happened in
Argentine history, which is that a presidential

806
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:12,239
candidate in campaign tells you something that
later in December begins to fulfill. I

807
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,840
had never given him good, not
to speak to Alberto' s unpresentable Not

808
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,480
to promise you the grill on,
the hillside fills the twenty percent dement of

809
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,599
retirees, with the interests of the
lics. And I don' t know

810
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:29,880
how much pava gives more, but
in general, one promised fantasies, politics

811
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,480
promised fantasies and then you failed.
And because, in fact, governance was

812
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:37,480
always given in Argentina by a small
group that was in the Casa Rosada and

813
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,639
another small group that was in the
Congress and another small group that was perhaps

814
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:44,599
in the justice system or in the
unions, and they decided that we should

815
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:46,599
move on. It didn' t
matter what happened to the people and they

816
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:50,800
went to Argentina. Today that governance
is given by the support of the people,

817
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,519
because politics does not want you to
go ahead because traditional politics is at

818
00:55:55,559 --> 00:56:00,840
risk today, because it understands that
if you do what needs to be done,

819
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,679
you think that you do not know
that we are doing things well.

820
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,559
They are more convinced than we are
that we are doing things right. Traditional

821
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,639
politics, politics, old politics,
are defeated that we are doing things that

822
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:15,800
explain why they are. Don'
t sit around waiting for the body to

823
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:22,719
pass through the door of your house
and they' re starting to act because

824
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,400
they know we' re doing things
right and they know we' re doing

825
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,079
things right. This, in fact, ends with not only a re-

826
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,639
elected millay, but also ends with
them outside the political landscape. Listen,

827
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,559
I' m gonna tell you something
about you that I think and I said

828
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:40,719
it to the i the other day. I want to first thank Vale for

829
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,960
the moons, go south, they' re cakes, Welsh, they'

830
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,159
re delicious. Thanks because they'
re watching us all day. Thank you

831
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:53,559
both. We need you to like
us. Friends and friends on the other

832
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:57,639
side, I told you. If
you don' t like us at 20

833
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,800
: 30 today, Ricardito Alfondo will
knock on the door. They don'

834
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:07,960
t even want radicalism fast. This
isn' t on me. That'

835
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,199
s where it was an exaggeration in
no prbols. I played me the other

836
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:15,599
day. You' d look like
a potable guy to run a cabinet.

837
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:20,280
I' ll tell you why I
justify it in front of you. Yours

838
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,039
first, because you obviously don'
t wrinkle. I don' t know,

839
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,239
it must be hard to take you
on and hurry or squeeze you.

840
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,159
I don' t know if you
saw with that look that you' re

841
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,280
half cold I don' t know
if I' m gonna get stuck in

842
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,079
it. I don' t know
if it should be. I have a

843
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:38,679
pretty sweet look. Yeah, no, no, they' re pretty spicy,

844
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:44,440
pretty sweet. The thing is if
you like it. You like it

845
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,239
now that you' re a spokesman. You have an important assignment because you

846
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,400
communicate the headquarters of the government,
but you would like to continue evolving in

847
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,480
the political world. Of course,
it doesn' t take away, they

848
00:57:55,519 --> 00:58:00,400
don' t sit me down,
they' re not or you' re

849
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,920
never going to feel political, politics
bores me. It even bores me where

850
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:08,079
you' re domiciled. You were
good in the city of Buenos Aires,

851
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,239
in the city of Buenos Aires,
but not so in silver. So for

852
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:16,400
guessing, I think you' re
missing data. I think you' d

853
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,679
be a very good candidate for the
Vos province, but I' m an

854
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:25,000
opportunist. I don' t think
so anymore, I don' t think

855
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,760
I' d be a good candidate. Yeah, just wait the same for

856
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,639
me. To me today, all
I know is the status of the executive

857
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:37,559
function and that' s what I
like. You like that. The rest

858
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:40,280
I don' t know if I
like. Hey, Meditaneu, you got

859
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,119
a place here anytime you want.
I' m already looking for work,

860
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:47,719
but in eight years, eight years
I sleep well I have, of course,

861
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,719
I' m convinced this lasted eight
years. You' re convinced I

862
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:53,119
' ve been here eight years.
I' m convinced that if they let

863
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:55,679
us do what we want to do, we' re eight years old.

864
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,519
It depends on me leaving you all
of a sudden. We are doing everything

865
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,360
we always think, as you have
started well, now you tell me if

866
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,360
they leave us no, if they
leave us no, if they let us

867
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,840
be bolero or not. If they
put sticks on the wheel. It is

868
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,519
very difficult, of course, that
it is very difficult to move forward with

869
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:15,880
everything we want to do. But
clearly, clearly, we think of a

870
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:22,199
government eight years, because we'
re doing things right and, besides,

871
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,719
because, behind all this there'
s a lot of labor that, of

872
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:27,559
course, maybe doesn' t look
like, say, or it' s

873
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,199
more imperceptible. We' re teaugurating
a lot, a lot, a lot

874
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:34,280
to make it all right. And
you were telling me, in the cabinet

875
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,599
I see you running the cabinet.
The truth is, it' s a

876
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:45,079
barbaric team. You get out of
cabinet meetings and you' re convinced we

877
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:46,880
' re going because I walk right. And that' s true I never

878
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,880
imagined it would happen to me.
I figured the intern or the part you

879
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,159
don' t see, which could
be, for example, the cabinet meeting,

880
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:59,599
which was going to be something more
even conflictive. And the truth is

881
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:04,679
that you came out convinced that you' re saving Argentina and that' s

882
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:07,960
fundamental to doing what we' re
doing. Thank you, Manuel, thank

883
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,880
you. It' s a pleasure
to have you mante, because it'

884
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:10,920
s the first time I' ve
been invited, because I didn' t

885
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,159
get invited before. We never saw
each other. We have a win-

886
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,480
win where Andrs once invited me to
cheer up my luck and they took me

887
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,800
seriously. Yeah, but I didn' t get you down from a producer

888
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,880
He always grabs a few better Anda
didn' t get Milay to the presidency.

889
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,719
Listen to my lanari where Andas and
the nario sont speak it today the

890
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,199
narie dejale no but luiste n another
no and aside, also makes a barbarian

891
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,920
job that also does not see,
but it is a sensational auro. They

892
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,480
sent a big hug, Javier che
Thank you. Manuel, I was looking

893
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:43,880
forward to following you. I mean, hey, hey, hey, hey,

894
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,800
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

895
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:46,800
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

896
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:46,800
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

897
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,119
hey. So balls, it'
s good to talk. You saw that

898
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,320
we didn' t enter the topics
days. You saw between the gas and

899
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,719
all that not that. Leave it
to me by morning. The morning I

900
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:59,800
am entertained with Fabi and his team. Look at the controversy. People are

901
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,719
starving and something is going to be
controversial. Declarations of my law in the

902
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,039
United States. Senate Senate there was
no ruling nor to ask a cusa question

903
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:12,039
you thunder to enter quickly. Give
him that log. I think I'

904
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,519
ll ask you a question. Despairing
your bath people from a log is a

905
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:21,000
ficial character didn' t get incoming
that you want on a concrete key question.

906
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:25,519
It will be political, it will
be economic, it will be international

907
01:01:25,559 --> 01:01:28,679
relations, it will be relations with
the countries of the First World. What

908
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:34,400
a question you want to ask You' ve already armed the sixty- four.

909
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,800
I always had it with dataset.
When you make yourself with ten hundred

910
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,400
forty- one, forty- one, fifteen seventy- one, I have

911
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,559
two sixty- four, sixty-
four, six hundred twenty- eight,

912
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,039
sixty- four, the one that
was assembled. Here' s the war,

913
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:50,719
la la la, but say it
was short- lived. Well,

914
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:54,400
mine is all over me that there
are Peronist products, there are products that

915
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,199
you relate to, but very much
taken. The side was a snoring as

916
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:00,800
good. Okay. In fact,
why isn' t it any on the

917
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,639
street? Sure,' cause look, I' m gonna tell you something.

918
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,239
The American that armor, the trias
on the floor and it would work.

919
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,239
And the American didn' t plug
her in. If it worked,

920
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,559
learn a second and a half faster
than the Peronist than you wander if we

921
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:16,239
delay, it is true, it
is vague and would be expensive in its

922
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:20,079
time. But if I' m
so armed with the cholecovisions, yeah,

923
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,159
yeah, aside, I' m
a collector, so that' s what

924
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:23,239
it is, too. That'
s why we' re going to make

925
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,880
a Bacaca museum in Neura, with
vintage stuff. I kisté all the comoras.

926
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Look at five hundred, you don' t want to be the godfather

927
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,000
of the museum. I' d
love to be smart aside, it'

928
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:37,519
s not inconsistent with the law of
public tica. So not for that and

929
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,000
we' re gonna do something we' re missing. Six machines. Nothing

930
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,599
more. We' re not gonna
be back. Nothing, no, no,

931
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,760
no, no, we don'
t. What are you going to

932
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,039
try, what are you going to
do a wing or make a lan like

933
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,920
in the' 90s, perfect one
day. Let' s get out what

934
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,519
an alan is I' m a
buyer. It' ll know a lick

935
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:55,840
and we' ll do yes,
of course, less good computations, clear

936
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,719
valve monitor this sold costerns. We
play an ange comes out alone and du

937
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:06,280
doub never in three of bu what
is yes, my way cached in a

938
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:10,320
wak forgive me much the one out
there a lot of squeals in the lumun

939
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,599
colum right now and men of Peronism
seeing them says I garcho them live.

940
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:16,639
You two. If this is not
for males with other males the urban one

941
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:22,960
say we lost really is very vir
this pare no. This one doesn'

942
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,039
t have you at all. Tende
pro por fas six years trying to pass

943
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:30,639
the level one of the destiny and
the pey four please, much the male

944
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:34,000
are sharpening your sabers, the males
listening to him. The urban man is

945
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:38,280
at a disadvantage with us because we
play le of empire, because that has

946
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:43,280
no fucking idea. That' s
exactly what it gives you that you have

947
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,159
Give me a feature. They'
re no more this than what drives you

948
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:49,280
Give me a man with an urban
who barefoot you' re ca. He

949
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,519
said how much territory and I don' t know. You' ll have

950
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:54,119
eight hundred thousand people. Yeah,
I' ve got 11, 000 kilometers

951
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:58,000
here wrong with me, but the
lu is virtual dumb guy coming you put

952
01:03:58,039 --> 01:03:58,840
20, 000 in front of me
in the master' s room. It

953
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,079
' s very difficult, uh,
and but you can' t pull out

954
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,440
archers is dating to throw barefoot at
him. No, but I' m

955
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,239
stuck in it, but I'
m stuck in it. They do it,

956
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:13,280
they do it, but I put
him on the server and he likes

957
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,239
everything. But pods here, two
municipalities. Maybe we' ll be sorry.

958
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,760
Thank you, Manu, Nos,
Thanks Brother, Thank you for all

959
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,199
of us, sorry we passed.
Five minutes. Come on.