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So what are 32 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.560 you waiting for? Visit Hanger one Publishing dot com today and let the journey 33 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:52.919 begin. Hey guys, welcome back to Sasquatchpots. Thank you so much for 34 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.159 being with us for the show. It is Friday. I hope you guys 35 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.199 have a great week. We have an amazing guest line for you. But 36 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.520 before we get there, I want to start by fighting you. If you've 37 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.240 had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an 38 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.879 email and get me a Brian at Paranimal World Productions dot com. Get head 39 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:09.319 over to the website, check it out, become a member there and help 40 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:14.560 support the show. As I said, we've got a great guest lined up. 41 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.639 I got to sit down with Henry Franzoni and if you guys have seen 42 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:22.000 Sasquatch Odyssey The Hunt for Bigfoot, it was a documentary from back in nineteen 43 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.439 ninety nine. Henry is the guy who has a pretty big segment there and 44 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:29.039 he's playing the drums, So if you haven't seen that, I suggest you 45 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.199 check that out and you'll get a great idea for who Henry is. But 46 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:36.520 he's here to share his personal experiences with Bigfoot, and we also get into 47 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:40.479 some of his very interesting theories on Bigfoot and what he's discovered along the way 48 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:45.120 in that journey to find those answers. He just completed a new book. 49 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.280 He just sent me a copy of it. I got it yesterday and I 50 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.240 am certainly looking forward to getting into the book. But for now, we've 51 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.039 got Henry here, so I know you guys are ready to get into it. 52 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.280 Henry's on the line, he's ready to go. So you got to 53 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:16.879 sit back, relax and enjoy the show. All right, books, don't 54 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.839 welcome my guest to the show. It is Henry Franzoni. Welcome to the 55 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:24.560 show. Henry. Greetings, greetings, nice to be here. I am 56 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.399 glad to have you. So let's get right into it. Let's talk about 57 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.360 this sasquatch thing first and foremost. You've been doing this for a ton of 58 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.439 years, but let's take everybody back to the beginning and tell them what got 59 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:40.759 you interested in the bigfoot subject. In the first place. I went camping 60 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:46.800 with my wife in the mountains in Oregon, and I went to a place 61 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:51.720 that the Indians said evil God of the Woods lived there, at least that 62 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:57.399 was the story that went with the name. And we went up there and 63 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.720 we ran into something that blew our minds. And we didn't see a thing, 64 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:05.720 but we smelled something and it really smelled like Bigfoot or what you would 65 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:11.879 think. It smelled like a big wet dog. So this happened one night 66 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:16.600 in nineteen ninety three, and somehow that was it. I went wandering around 67 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.920 wondering what I ran into, and met Peter Byrne, met Gray Crow, 68 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:30.279 and then fell into the Bigfoot world. From then on, I had a 69 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.319 lot of other Really, I had a lot of strange encounters over the years, 70 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:40.720 and my very first one turns out to be literally five minutes after I 71 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:45.800 looked for Bigfoot. But I wasn't really looking for Bigfoot. I was trying 72 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.160 to see what the Indians were referring to as the evil God of the woods. 73 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:55.360 So that's how I kind of came in through an Indian connection. Boy, 74 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:59.079 you know, it's a slippery slope. And after that I spent thirty 75 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:03.319 years of my life wondering about it so well, I definitely want to get 76 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.680 into the Native American connection to this. But would you mind taking us back 77 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.759 to that first time, in that first experience. I know you said you 78 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:13.839 didn't see anything, but would you tell us tell me in the audience what 79 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.399 happened during that incident? Well, the very very first one, the very 80 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:20.600 very first one. I know I was hesitant because I've told it so many 81 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:28.079 times, even at the time I did interviews in newspapers. But basically I 82 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.680 missed a turn to this place called Scuocum Lake that's had about five thousand feet 83 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:38.519 on a mountain named Thunder Mountain in the Cascades in Oregon, and I went 84 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:43.079 about a quarter mile paste it and I went shit, and I turned around, 85 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.319 came back, and as I came back where had I had just been, 86 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:54.120 now there was this really pungent smell that smelled like a wet dog and 87 00:06:54.360 --> 00:07:00.879 was really pungent. And I stopped a van. It was just jet inky 88 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.480 darkness, and all the crickets stopped right at the same time. And then 89 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.040 my wife, who was sitting in the passenger seat, said to me, 90 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.199 I'm really tired. I'm going to take a nap, and instantly she fell 91 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.639 asleep. It was weird how she just fell asleep in like ten seconds. 92 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:23.519 And so I was sitting there and then I had long hair at the time, 93 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:29.040 and it stood out all the way around my head like a huge like 94 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.800 Albert Einstein thing, with the hair sticking straight out everywhere, like a static 95 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:41.720 electricity charge was taking over my hair, and I could feel all the hair 96 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.920 and my skin standing up and everything. It was static electricity, and that 97 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:50.279 went away, and then the smell went away and my van starter motor was 98 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:56.519 blown, so I could never start it again. It was stuck there and 99 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:01.759 we had to camp out in the van overnight because it couldn't move. So 100 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:07.600 something physical had happened that I couldn't ignore, which was the starter motor burned 101 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.079 up the rest of it. Whenever I told anybody at the time, they 102 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.439 were like, oh, you know, that's you're insane, or what drugs 103 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:22.519 were you on? You know. One form of perceptual failure or another was 104 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:28.439 how people thought this was, and usually it was impossible, so therefore I 105 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.240 was the one at fault. So after a while I didn't talk about it 106 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.200 much. But that was just the very first moment that I ran into it, 107 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.159 and I said, well, I think this is what people call Bigfoot 108 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.000 because of the smell, and the crickets seemed to know what it was, 109 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.600 and the crickets started up when the smell left. So the whole thing was 110 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.399 really, really strange. And I said, jeez, if that's what Bigfoot 111 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.559 is, you know, maybe he is the evil god of the woods for 112 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:01.799 all I know. I realized that I was dealing with something way beyond my 113 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:07.879 understanding immediately, so I became part of the board of advisors of Peter Byrne's 114 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:15.440 Bigfoot research project. We went out and investigated four hundred and eighty five sighting 115 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:20.480 reports in Oregon and Washington. Peter wanted to look for something he called geo 116 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:26.399 time patterns, and that meant we built a database and then we looked for 117 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:30.639 patterns. We looked to see if there was any pattern in the data. 118 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.639 There was there four hundred and eighty five sighting reports. You know, let's 119 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:39.759 just say there really weren't any patterns that were too visible at that point. 120 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.200 Later, when I had a lot more data, I was able to figure 121 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.440 out some patterns. But yeah, that's what got me started back then, 122 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:52.440 is I fell into it in nineteen ninety three. There were already a handful 123 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:58.960 of people really into it, John Green and Peter Byrne and Grovercrantz and Reneeda 124 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:05.759 Hindon, and I saw the big problem of that moment was to somehow get 125 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:13.679 those four to collaborate and share their data, because each of them had valuable 126 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:20.240 information that they would not share with anybody else. I came to understand what 127 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.120 I had done by building a database for Peter Byrne in large part was because 128 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:30.159 John Green then would not share his database, and Peter Byrne really wanted a 129 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:35.759 database like John greenhad. And when I read Apes among Us, that's the 130 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.240 first thing I thought was. I read Apes among Us John Green's book, 131 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.159 and I said, Wow, I'm gonna make a database and start analyzing exciting 132 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.559 reports. You know, that was like a no brainer. Look, of 133 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.840 course I was going to do that. And then one thing led to another, 134 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.639 and by nineteen ninety eight, John Green and I were having a meal 135 00:10:54.759 --> 00:11:00.279 together in Vancouver and he looked at me and he said, the one thing 136 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:05.759 this world doesn't need is another Bigfoot researcher. And I said, what he 137 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:11.639 said, you're to blame for bringing all these Bigfoot researchers and minting them by 138 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.679 the thousands by bringing Bigfoot to the Internet. And I said, well, 139 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.559 you know you created me because you wrote apes amongst us And I said, 140 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.240 god, I have to make a database and take it to the web. 141 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.200 Wow, you know, like have to do that. So I just thought 142 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.720 it was funny thinking back on it now, because I understand now, look 143 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.480 what's happened. Yes, you can look around and see the results today. 144 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:45.759 There's definitely some issues with Bigfoot the community, the online community in particular. 145 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.120 I've talked about it at nauseum on the show before. It can be a 146 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.360 very toxic environment. I think it does some good. I think there's some 147 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.639 good parts of it. I think there's some bad parts of it. Like 148 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.320 everything else, I try to take what I like and leave the rest. 149 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.600 Basically, let's talk a little bit of about the first couple of things that 150 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:03.720 happened that you were involved in on the internet. Let's talk a little bit 151 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.960 about the IVBC. Tell people who may not be familiar with that what that 152 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.960 is and what was your involvement in that. I created it. I created 153 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:18.639 the very first Bigfoot discussion group online that had people like Matt Moneymaker and Cliff 154 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:24.600 Barrickman were members, and Ron Moorehead and John Green, very same people were 155 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:30.320 talking about and yes, we used to aren't doing much like you all do 156 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:37.360 today in the very very first one. And I was the administrator and person 157 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.200 that said. I was a computer dec that said, hey, man the 158 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.559 web, look at these mailing lists, look at these automated mailing list things 159 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.879 we can do. Hey, check this out, Let's do this. And 160 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.639 so I'm actually it all sprang ahead of my head. The whole idea of 161 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:03.240 putting a Bigfoot website together and creating a club around it and say hey, 162 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.720 let's seek the mystery, and then putting all kinds of recordings and stories and 163 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.000 photos on that website and having a discussion group. And so if I had 164 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.840 a penny for every website that exists today, I would be rich. Unfortunately 165 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.440 I do not. And that was the best idea I ever came up with. 166 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.039 But I didn't know that that just showing people how to do it and 167 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:33.200 going, look, you can proclaim yourself a Bigfoot expert on the web, 168 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.879 create an organization and you know, figure out a position on the Patterson film 169 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.480 of course, so that people know where you stand and away you go. 170 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.320 There you are. So I kind of created the template for everyone to follow, 171 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.799 and I have mixed feelings about that. Okay, you know I can 172 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.600 understand it. Go into those feelings. Let's talk about some of those feelings. 173 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.559 What's the good, the bad, and the other. Well, you 174 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:03.759 know, I see it like I encourage it to be like sports where people 175 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.960 treat some people. I mean I can't really, you know, I don't 176 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:13.120 like saying bad stuff about others. Much like you. I ignore everybody all 177 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:18.440 the time and pay no attention to anything whatsoever online or even in books or 178 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.240 anything. I just live in my own world with Bigfoot. That's what has 179 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:28.360 driven me to over the years, is you know, just complete divorce from 180 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.919 it. But on the one hand, it's like sports teams, everybody or 181 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.360 not everybody. I shouldn't speak so generally. There are camps, there are 182 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:45.879 schools of thought. People aren't really interested in being reasonable. They're both have 183 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:52.039 frameworks of rationalization, they're not actually rational, and they don't want to be 184 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:58.759 reasonable with each other. They each have their checklists, and they each have 185 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:03.600 their sports team, and they already know what they think, and they basically 186 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:09.919 expect you to confirm what they already know or think or whatever, and that 187 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.279 whole environment. I feel like, oh my god, you know I had 188 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.039 something to do with that. So I kind of feel pretty crappy about that 189 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:22.159 because it's really descended into a sort of a parody of itself. I mean, 190 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.360 it was always those elements were always there people, but they become so 191 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:33.000 mean and so well, let's just say, from my perspective, all the 192 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:39.200 different people insides have a different piece of the puzzle, and I think that 193 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:45.919 I could show them how if they understood how each of them is missing pieces, 194 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.120 they could see how it all fits together, because it all does fit 195 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.200 together for me. I mean, honestly, now I have, like, 196 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:58.360 at least I think I got a beat on now, which is thirty years 197 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.679 of thinking about it. You know, everybody's got to beat this, Like, 198 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.399 hey, you got a theory, throw that theory on the campfire and 199 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.960 let's have a marshmallow roast, you know. I mean, really, it's 200 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.399 not like I'm hung up on it, but I do think that the dialogues 201 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:18.080 it was crappy thirty year. It was crappy in the beginning, but it's 202 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:22.440 gotten worse, you know, it's gotten more to me, it seems that 203 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.840 way. The little that I pay attention to it, I see really hardened 204 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:33.559 positions. And another thing that I sort of started was people should be scientific 205 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.840 in their approach and science is good, and let's use the scientific method. 206 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:45.159 Then I became a scientist for real. And now I'm retired after a thirty 207 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.840 year career as a scientist for real, and I see the big footers and 208 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:55.360 other than a couple of people, I see wannabes. I see a lot 209 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:03.519 of hand waving and cries of must be scientific with people that have no understanding 210 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.000 of what being scientific is like. I don't see a lot of science. 211 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.599 I see a lot of talk about science, but I don't see any actual 212 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:17.200 science, not much, let's say so, I'm surprised nothing's really advanced for 213 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.200 the community, you know. I feel that I made a lot more progress 214 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:26.960 on my own than the rest of humanity did just flogging each other online. 215 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.799 Well, let's talk a little bit about that. That's something that's been sort 216 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.599 of a theme on this show over the last year and a half or so. 217 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.640 I've talked about the proverbial ball being on the five yard line in Bigfoot 218 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.599 research, and I think the Patterson Gimblin film probably put us there, and 219 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.200 along the way there may have been a little bit of inches of movement here 220 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.519 and there, but in general, we're still stuck on the five yard line. 221 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.720 And as far as I'm concerned with the research, I know you've got 222 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.480 some theories you're you're definitely not in the flesh and blood camp. I certainly 223 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.720 want to get into and talk a little bit about that. But that's something 224 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.079 that it sort of happened for me over the last year or so is I 225 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.279 started opening up my mind and thinking in other ways and looking at this from 226 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.440 different angles. Because we've been doing the same thing for fifty plus years. 227 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.440 If we're still on the five yard line, we're not doing something right. 228 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.160 Going out and beating on trees and screaming in the woods has only taken us 229 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:26.359 so far in this research that we're doing to find these answers right, So 230 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.319 let's start there. I think I'm pretty confident I know where the majority of 231 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:36.279 your basis for this lies. But let's talk about the Native American connection. 232 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.599 I doubt it. Actually, Well, let's start at the Native American connection 233 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.160 and talk a little bit about that basis for you and the knowledge and the 234 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:51.400 experience that you have talking to the Native Americans about Sasquatch in general. Well, 235 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.680 where to begin, Where to end? Where to begin? The thing 236 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:59.759 about Native Americans is, boy, you can't generalize. That's the first. 237 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.519 Generalizing what Native Americans think is a good way to get in real trouble right 238 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:10.759 away. If you take my joke is, if you have ten Indians and 239 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:15.680 you put them in a room, you'll get eleven opinions, because that's how 240 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:22.000 it is. There's individuality that must be taken into account when you're talking about 241 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.799 these groups. Everybody's as human individual and within all the tribes there's a full 242 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:33.400 range of opinions about everything, ongoing discussions that have gone on forever and ever, 243 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.839 you know whatever. There's a lot going on. So the basic thing 244 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:44.640 is that if I could really stretch it and kind of generalize across the tribes 245 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:52.200 I'm familiar with. There are spirits such as ancestors. There are spirits such 246 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:59.519 as the ellip kilicum, which is the click attack words for the people before. 247 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:07.160 Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey right back after these messages. The people 248 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:12.920 before also are referred to as the animal people. They're referred to as a 249 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.359 lot of different things, a lot of different names. Ancestors comes up a 250 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:25.440 lot. The thing is is that the tribes, this geometry of space time 251 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:30.359 where we all live together, this place we live is run by a tribe 252 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.720 of Indians that are spirit Indians, you could call them, but really they're 253 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:41.920 just a very advanced form of the people before. The people before exist around 254 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:47.759 us and are the guardians of the geometry of space time. So when you 255 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:53.400 get past the flesh and blood level and you get to the level of consciousness 256 00:20:53.400 --> 00:21:00.680 that underlies flesh and blood, you see there's physics involved. Tier. There's 257 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:06.920 a lot of existing, fewer physics that actually explains what's going on. So 258 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.000 the thing is is that you're going to see that the tribes field look well, 259 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:17.759 for example, one time I saw, well, there's an experience I 260 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:22.839 had where a bunch of tribal members referred to Bigfoot as him and the big 261 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.559 man and him, and we often would just use the term him. When 262 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:33.640 I was in India country wouldn't identify pass that and we knew who we were 263 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:40.640 talking about. But that person is thought of as like our elder brother Indian 264 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.720 person. They look like Big Harry gorillas, right, But no, to 265 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:53.680 tribes. That is a elder brother person, a spirit person helper that most 266 00:21:53.720 --> 00:22:00.640 tribes would tell you protect the tribes and are the elder brothers of the tribes 267 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:07.599 helping guide them and protect them. And so I mean I'm speaking now generally 268 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.319 when I say most tribes, because really it's specific people within those tribes that 269 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:17.519 may think that way, and there may not be more than a handful in 270 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:21.359 each tribe that think that way. You don't really see that this knowledge is 271 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:26.039 really shared widely or anything like that. But it's an entire different view of 272 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.720 the world where everything is alive in the first place, because remember, in 273 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:37.519 tribal thought, rocks are alive, everything has a spirit, plants are alive, 274 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:41.920 and Bigfoot is just another spirit, but it's a special spirit and it's 275 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:48.839 one that's in charge of this geometry of space time, like a giant tribal 276 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:55.400 council sitting up there in the sky running the show. So that's kind of 277 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.680 where Indians think Bigfit's at. That's not really where white man thinks it's at. 278 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.440 And really speaking, you know, the massive white men don't think that 279 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:08.759 way, so you know, it gets pretty weird. It certainly does concentrate 280 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.359 on what you think. You've had thirty years to take a look at this, 281 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:15.640 and you said you have a pretty good grasp of it. Where are 282 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:22.279 you on Bigfoot as far as the balance between flesh theory. Yeah, let's 283 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.039 talk a little bit about your theory. So a biologist looks out there and 284 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:29.440 he sees flesh and blood. He sees predator and prey. He sees the 285 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:33.960 gnashing of teeth, he sees a blood bath, he sees you know, 286 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:40.640 if he's fancy, he sees evolution, he sees adaptation, he sees how 287 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:48.279 there is assemblages of creatures and symbiosis, and how energy is transferred through food, 288 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:55.000 through the ecological biosphere. And you know, biologists though, that's flesh 289 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:59.720 and blood. Flesh and blood guys have a framework. Their framework is usually 290 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:06.119 Carl Nasi's taxonomy and DNA some mixture thereof. In other words, they go, 291 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:11.640 well, for it to be scientifically valid, we must connect it to 292 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.680 the tree of light, because then we know where it fits in the tree 293 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:21.559 of life, and therefore we are scientifically valid, or at least connecting to 294 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.480 an existing scientifically valid framework, which is the goal of what pretty much all 295 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:32.680 of the scientifically inclined the Bigfoot researchers in some way. I mean, I've 296 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:37.319 seen them argue about it for thirty years. So there's other frameworks and science 297 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:42.480 that are very valid, for example, general relativity. This scene as also 298 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:48.720 a valid description of our existence, because what we're trying to do here is 299 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:55.240 say what is existence? If you want to prove Bigfoot exists, you have 300 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:03.640 to define what existence is. So is existence finding a place in Carl Linnaeus's 301 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.480 taxonomy and saying, Okay, it exists. I found where it belongs. 302 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.880 Is it a place where you examine DNA and you go, I found where 303 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:18.200 this DNA fits into the tree of life. I see the connections between it 304 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.880 and everything else. You know, these are ways of showing its flesh and 305 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:29.359 blood ballot. Let us say, but we also know that physics involves another 306 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:33.119 way of looking at existence. Where a physicist looks out there, he doesn't 307 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:38.759 see flesh and blood. He sees ninety nine percent empty space and one percent 308 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:45.759 something he doesn't understand, and he goes, what is here? Is what's 309 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:51.640 here? What's going on? And physics keeps advancing and they give novel prizes 310 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:56.599 for things like the local reality is false, because they have now proven that 311 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:03.279 nothing exists till you look at it, and they've done actual experiments to prove 312 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:08.559 that theory that nothing does exist though you look at it. So how do 313 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:14.519 you square that with the flesh and blood thing? Okay, you've got to 314 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.000 square the two of them together somehow if you want to be scientifically valid in 315 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:25.759 more than one framework or context, and there's certainly both valid contexts. So 316 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:32.319 the way I have approached it is to modify general relativity by actually multiplying both 317 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:36.799 sides by one over Kappa. But that's another story. But the thing is, 318 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:44.359 general relativity is to a physicist a thing that explains the relationship between the 319 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.839 curvature of space time and the distribution of matter, energy, and momentum. 320 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.759 And so the two sides of the equation. One side of the equation is 321 00:26:53.799 --> 00:27:00.680 just a geometry of space time. The other side is the n and gravity, 322 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:07.839 gravity and the energy. And what I'm showing is that by modifying general 323 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:17.759 relativity you can begin to explain how consciousness underlies the flesh and blood level of 324 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:26.359 reality. There's actually another level underneath flesh and blood that's physical that physics explains, 325 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.240 and it has to do with the connection between consciousness and with the physical 326 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:37.200 world around us. In other words, flesh and blood involves creatures with souls, 327 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.720 and so you actually have to understand the physics of how your soul and 328 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:48.119 your body are connected to each other for you to understand how the soul and 329 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.000 body of Bigfoot's connected together. Because you know, it's something like you, 330 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.359 it looks like you. It doesn't have a soul like you, it probably 331 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.079 does. Have you ever looked in the eyes of one least seems like they 332 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:07.039 have a soul when you do. So I don't believe in any paranormal anything. 333 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:14.799 I believe that there is a physics revolution that is beginning now that will 334 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:25.119 unfold through modified general relativity that will enable us all to understand how Bigfoot does 335 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:32.039 things like turn invisible and be telepathic and move through solid matter and teleport and 336 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.160 disappear and walk through snow without leaving footprints, et cetera, et cetera. 337 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.240 So I'm not like any other research here at this point in time. I'm 338 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.279 actually a hard science guy who sees how the weird stuff works. At least 339 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.400 I'm going to propose a theory about it, you know. So that's you 340 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.880 know, that's that's really that's why I was saying, I doubt you really 341 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.559 knew what I was thinking of advance, you know. But that's where I've 342 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.799 come to after thirty years, is I've been trying to mix saw these things 343 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:07.160 together, including explaining Indian lore, and I found that the modified general relativity 344 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:14.599 really gives me the science to understand a lot of the Indian wisdom that I've 345 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:19.640 learned from my adventures in helping out the tribes for the last thirty years as 346 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:25.400 a scientist. So I think that it brings it all together, is what 347 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.160 I'm trying to say. So did you start there? Did you start in 348 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.359 the flesh and Blood camp? Did you start out thinking these things were flesh 349 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.680 and blood? And was it some of the experiences that you had over the 350 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.160 years. I know you've had some pretty strange experiences. Can you think of 351 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.799 a couple that maybe you could share with us that would demonstrate some of these 352 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.799 abilities that you've witnessed personally that you've seen that these things can do. Sure, 353 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:51.200 No, you know, from day one I was right in the middle 354 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.799 because I smelled something and that story I told you that really smelled like a 355 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.799 live animal is smelled like a wet dog. And we all know where to 356 00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.279 wear dog smells like, you know, but it smelled like a really pungent 357 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.880 wet dog. So I was like, man, that's a living creature, 358 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.319 you know, like it had the smell of white whatever that is. Yet 359 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.720 I didn't see anything, so it sat my starter motor. So I was 360 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.720 like, wait a minute, is it flush and blood or is it? 361 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:25.039 Like what the hell is going on? Okay, it's a really good problem 362 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.519 how to merge those two sides, because from the very first experience I was 363 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.960 torn in half. I was like, huh, how does how does that 364 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.880 work? How does that possibly reconcile? You know, like really blown starter 365 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:42.599 motor and stinky smell and crickets and the whole thing was just too weird for 366 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:49.079 words. So I was borderline, let us say, because like everybody else, 367 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:56.480 well, I actually became a biologist for real government biologist, a supervising 368 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:03.200 government biologist in fact, so believe me, I could stay, I could 369 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.759 color between the lines, and I could stay as flesh and blood as anybody 370 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.720 ever. But in my heart I was always like, no, it's weirder 371 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.359 than that, far weirder than that. I know, I don't understand I 372 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:21.680 always withheld judgment because I said, I just have had enough experience as to 373 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:26.079 know I have no idea what's going on. It was over my head. 374 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:32.359 It was far too bizarre, and it got really, really weird. But 375 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.880 yeah, the early days were really a mess. One that I could tell 376 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.119 you about that really was a turning point for me was around nineteen ninety five, 377 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:47.119 we ran a phone number that was one eight hundred Bigfoot in Oregon and 378 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.920 Washington, and the idea was, hey, it's like a nine one one 379 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.640 call and you had a big foot sighting call, us call one eight hundred 380 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.640 Bigfoot. So we released this number for five years and we most have got 381 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.240 calls. I mean it drove you crazy, literally ninety nine hundred calls. 382 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.480 So you know, it was really no good. But the goal was we 383 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:15.319 needed a report that happened within twenty four hours, because we had been collecting 384 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:20.200 reports for five years and we never got anything that happened within twenty four hours. 385 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.559 Everything happened two years ago, ten years ago, last month, six 386 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:30.240 months ago. People did not come forward till later. And so one day 387 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.799 we got this twenty four hour report and it was from the downs right next 388 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:38.559 door to hood River where our office was, and I called up Peter and 389 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.440 Todd and all these guys and I said, hey, we got a fresh 390 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:49.680 report. And it was seven big feet walked down this valley and over the 391 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.799 ridge at the end of a box canyon out of the valley, and three 392 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:59.839 people had called to report this, and so it was like, Wow, 393 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.960 something must have happened, because I was sitting there by the phone and rang 394 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.759 over and over and I was like, hey, wow, you know, 395 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.680 big time action here. So we raced over there. It was a Sunday 396 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.920 and we got there. There were three groups of people in this valley, 397 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:17.640 one on the left, one on the right, one in the middle, 398 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.640 and they were all separately doing things like tobogganing and sledding and shit. So 399 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:31.400 we interviewed everybody. Everybody said seven big feet walked down the valley and over 400 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.160 the hill and we all saw them. And these groups did not know each 401 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.319 other, at least they claimed not to know each other. Okay, so 402 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:44.599 then we actually Todd and Peter the big trackers got down on their hands and 403 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:50.240 knees and they went looking for tracks through that entire valley and they found rabbit 404 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.759 tracks, and they found mouse tracks, and they found every other kind of 405 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.680 track you can imagine in that snow, but they did not find a big 406 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:05.680 footure. So after spending literally six hours on their knees, they just said, 407 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.760 no, everybody's yanking our chain. This is blowney and we all went 408 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.360 back to the office and they went home and I went home. That was 409 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:17.239 that, and it went down in the files as that was a mistake. 410 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.480 They were all mistaken. That's what Peter and Todd decided that they were all 411 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:28.440 mistaken. There were no big feet. I was the one weirdo that was 412 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.960 like, nah, something else was going on. Those people were shook up, 413 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.119 and they weren't lying. I believe them, you know, like I 414 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.199 believed the twenty witnesses, right. I was like, wait a minute, 415 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:45.440 those twenty people have no reason to make this up, you know, Like, 416 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.360 why didn't it leave tracks? That was my problem. Everybody else was 417 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.679 like, oh, the witnesses, you know, their credibility, Their credibility 418 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.039 of the witnesses was in question. But I was like, nah, why 419 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:04.599 didn't they leave That's the question. So that's the sort of thing that led 420 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:12.199 me to make physics kind of questions more prominent in my own research, because 421 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.760 I said, there's got to be physics that explains that. That's got to 422 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.679 work somehow, that's got to be what happens later in life. I found 423 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:24.800 other people that had witnessed the same thing. Some of my tribal friends had 424 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.280 told me about Bigfoot walking through the snow leaving no tracks. So, just 425 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:35.840 because they were like three or four really trusted friends of mine, I said, 426 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.800 you know, that's really what happened that day back in ninety five, 427 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.280 and I knew there was something to it. I knew they could walk through 428 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.599 snow without leaving tracks, but I still didn't understand how they could do that. 429 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.639 So that's why I went off in my direction. I said, well, 430 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.159 I'll have to figure out the physics of how they do that. You 431 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.840 mentioned some other things that have come up on the show before. I've had 432 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.559 Hard Bouchard on. He's written Sasquatch Evidence of an Enigma, and he has 433 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.880 interviewed tons of people who have had really strange encounters. One that comes to 434 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.840 mind about a gentleman who claimed to be in a cabin and the hand of 435 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.800 a sasquatch comes through the wall, touches him on the forehead, knocks him 436 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.519 unconscious. And he wakes up like six or eight hours later. The cloaking 437 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.880 thing is always something that comes up in the community. A matter of fact, 438 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.880 I'm a guest on a show tonight, and when I was talking to 439 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.360 the host of that show the other day in preparation for that, he was 440 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.320 showing me a video that a lady shared with him. I think her name 441 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:36.400 is Barbara. Shoot, She's got all these videos of what she claims to 442 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.280 be cloaking bigfoot. I mean, I could see something that looks very much 443 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:44.920 like the Predator movies from the nineties and early two thousands, when it's in 444 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.880 that cloaking state. Have you yourself witnessed any of that kind of stuff, 445 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:54.000 cloaking, disappearing, or being able to walk through or travel through walls. 446 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:59.000 I mean, is that something that you've experienced? Yeah, what's many times? 447 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:04.199 I'm five, ten times? Yeah, I've lost count, you know, 448 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.840 like I've had I've had a big foot if you would call. I 449 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.800 prefer to refer to them as the elliptylicum. The people before stand next to 450 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:20.519 me completely invisible and laugh and laugh at me. I've had them invisibly. 451 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:27.360 While I was driving my van, come into my van and on the inside 452 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:31.760 ear that's facing the console in the middle of the truck. Someone comes right 453 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:36.000 up to my ear goes like that, like, hey, you know, 454 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:43.360 like and I'm talking about closed windows moving on a highway. I've had. 455 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:49.280 I've had so many whack ball experiences that you know, my credibility will be 456 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:53.079 called into question if I tell them all back to back. But yeah, 457 00:37:53.239 --> 00:38:00.440 as my dear friend Bobby Bigay, who has passed, told me, they 458 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:06.639 have an agreement with the Creator to remain invisible on this plane of existence. 459 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:13.199 Actually, Bobby was the first fisherman of Salilo village, so he was an 460 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.800 elder, an elder of a Acumen Nation subtribe. So yeah, I mean 461 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.760 I could go into details. You guys like the stories. Here's one. 462 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:28.239 Early on, I had so many weird things happened to me that I made 463 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.760 up a law, which is, the more you investigate Bigfoot, no matter 464 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.400 who you are, it gets weirder and weirder. At the beginning, you 465 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:38.760 can just say, hey, I saw a bigfoot cross in the road. 466 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:44.000 Hey I knocked on a tree, something knocked. But it just keeps getting 467 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.199 weirder and weirder and weirder. The deeper you get into it, and the 468 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.840 further you go and you will have more and more questions. You don't get 469 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:55.440 answers, you get more questions a very long time. And yeah, I've 470 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.960 a s I'm cobbled together a theory that I'm like Goodwin these days. But 471 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.800 I mean, there's just this theory right. The thing is, this kid 472 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.840 disappears in Oregon at a rest stop I can't remember Highway twenty six, I 473 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.760 think it was. He walks off into the woods and a big search party's 474 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.079 for him. They can't find the kid. The kid has three dogs with 475 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.280 him and he's missing for three days. They have this huge search team put 476 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:29.239 together. They get the pros mount Hood Search and Rescue from around here at 477 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.159 that time, just like nineteen ninety five. Also, they assemble in a 478 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.320 rest stop and the kid walks into the rest stop and he's three years old 479 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.480 and he walks out of the woods right into the rest stop and they go, 480 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.320 whoa, you know, where's the kid been for three days? And 481 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.679 he's fine and they go wow, as dogs must have kept him warm, 482 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.960 you know, the three dogs gathered around him and they go wow, you 483 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.159 know, and the kid goes, yeah, yeah, the dogs kept me 484 00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.400 warm. But the big monster showed me where the stream was, where the 485 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.039 berries were to eat, and stay tuned for more Sasquatch odyssey. Right back 486 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:12.199 after these messages, and so all the adults he says this on TV, 487 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.199 and I see it on the Channel six news, right, and I'm like, 488 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:20.599 whoa, you know, wholl I know what that means. And of 489 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.320 course the news and all the adults are like, oh, you know, 490 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:28.400 little kids, the stories the little kids tell. And I'm thinking to myself, 491 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.400 Nah, there's something going on where if a human babies and genuine need 492 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.280 whoever, these creatures are actually have like some compassion and they like to help 493 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.960 out because they feel it's necessary. So I'm thinking like that and going, 494 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.480 wow, something's going on here, you know. So I talked to the 495 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:55.559 Cracker, the big time tracker who ran Mount Hood Search and Rescue about his 496 00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.760 whole thing, because I want to find out about what the kid said. 497 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.639 Right, I'm trying to interview him, going, hey, hey, the 498 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:06.360 kid, I want to know what the kid said. I don't care what 499 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.679 the adults said, forget it. What was the kid saying? So he 500 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.920 goes, well, no, I got a story for you, he said. 501 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.239 You know, I tracked him, and sure enough, the kid and 502 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:21.519 the three dogs. It was light snow, like two inches of snow. 503 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.239 So he said, there was like a kid and three dogs, and then 504 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:31.519 suddenly there were these really big footprints alongside him, and they walked together for 505 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:37.639 quite a while, and then the big footprints turned into deer tracks and I 506 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.880 said really, he said, yeah, like a shape shifter. I said 507 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.519 really. He said, yeah. Don't tell anybody I told you that, 508 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.000 but that's what I actually saw. And I said, okay, I won't 509 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:55.280 tell you now. Of course he's dead and I can speak candidly. But 510 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.960 that's one of the really strange stories where I investigated that at the time for 511 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:06.840 the Bigfoot research project, and I was like, whoa, what's really going 512 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:13.880 on here is way weirder than anybody imagines. And everyone else who investigated it 513 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.840 was like, oh, yeah, wow, the dogs saved the kid and 514 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.000 everybody's good and we're all good and you know, and I was like, 515 00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:27.719 no, this was really freaking weird. And I became convinced at that point 516 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.639 that Bigfoot was a shape shifter. I was like, well, other people 517 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.800 might not know that, but I've seen the hard facts now I'm like, 518 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:38.559 no, Bigfoot's a shape shifter. This guy had no reason to know swear 519 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.719 me to secrecy and tell me the story. So I was like, yeah, 520 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.519 you know, there's a lot of weird stuff like that. I met 521 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.199 a really old rancher. Well. I used to weekly. I helped set 522 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:59.119 up the Western Bigfoot Society with Ray Crow, and I financed a computer for 523 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:06.199 him to do the track record his newsletter. That was a Bigfoot news letter 524 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.079 that was published through I don't know, five or six years back in the 525 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:15.280 nineties. And I used to go weekly to the Western Bigfoot Society meetings and 526 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.840 I would meet the most amazing people in the back of the room that had 527 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.000 come to the meetings. But we're like two of parade to get up in 528 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:28.519 front of everybody and stuff. And I would mill around and try to talk 529 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.880 to the old ladies at the back of the room, going why are you 530 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:36.119 here? What's happening? So I met this lady who ran a gift shop 531 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:42.239 on the Oregon coast, and she had a friend with back problems, really 532 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.800 bad lower back problems, and was going to need surgery. One night, 533 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:52.079 her and her friend. Her friend came over and she took her friend to 534 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:59.679 meet her friends, and her friends lived in the hill on the hill behind 535 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:05.519 the IF shop on Highway six in Oregon on the coast. They went up 536 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:10.199 this hill and this woman was the woman with the bad back, and her 537 00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:16.599 friend said, now don't look face me and just relax. And so she 538 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.719 faced her friend and she felt these hands all over her back and all over 539 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.719 up and down her back, rubbing her back and legs. Her back pain 540 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.199 went away, and so they had healed her. Her friend said, now, 541 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.760 don't tell anybody about this. But she had come to the Western Bigfoot 542 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.840 Society and thought maybe she would get up and tell people about it. And 543 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.719 I said, well, no, I'm glad you told me, though, 544 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.400 I said, you know, I find that really interesting. I met another 545 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:53.199 woman who thought a brand new Corvette Stingray in nineteen sixty eight and was speeding 546 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:59.679 up the Spirit Mountain Highway on Mount Saint Helen's the first day she had this 547 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:05.599 car, and she just took it right off through a guard rail, off 548 00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.880 a cliff and down into a ravine, about one hundred feet down a ravine, 549 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:15.320 and she remembers lying all mangled in the car at the bottom of the 550 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.639 ravine. For she has a memory of it. But the next thing she 551 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:25.159 remembers, R and her are backed up on the road. She's next to 552 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.800 the car on the road and the cars on the road, and the police 553 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:35.679 come and they take her away by ambulance and her life is saved, and 554 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.679 she reread its Bigfoot with saving her life once again. What was illustrated was 555 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:46.920 some kind of concern when a human life is really in need of help. 556 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.960 And I thought that was really interesting. But like that, and that's not 557 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.800 so what I would say. That's not really a woo woo type story so 558 00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.480 much. Although it's pretty difficult to imagine how they got the car from the 559 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.559 bottom of the ravine up one hundred feet back onto the road. I mean 560 00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.840 it took some serious strength, man, it took something. I would meet 561 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:13.280 so many people when I did the four hundred and eighty five sighting reports that 562 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:20.000 would tell me the wackiest stories. One family went camping and they found a 563 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.800 track and they cast it and they were all like, oh, man, 564 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.400 wow, this is great. I found a Bigfoot track. And they weren't 565 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.960 even that into bigfoot, but once they found this track, they were just 566 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.960 thrilled and they were all about all bigfoots around, so they of course, 567 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.280 we're looking all around the campsite for where Bigfoot might be in They got in 568 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:47.599 their car to drive home, and the car radio suddenly came on and something 569 00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:57.079 kept chanting, Chota Chota, Chota choctwa, and the AM radio dial was 570 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.559 set to the lowest possible frequency, below five fifty on the AM radio, 571 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.880 and they couldn't stop this chanting from coming through the AM radio. And they 572 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:14.360 were convinced that this had something to do with Bigfoot because they had been getting 573 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:19.239 these vibes to get out of the area, and they've been filled with fear, 574 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.679 and they thought, you know, the old inexplicable fear thing you hear 575 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.599 about so often. They were all like, oh, we got to get 576 00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.119 out of here. And then this thing was chanting. The radio was chanting, 577 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.760 And I always thought, well, that's a pretty strange one. But 578 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.320 yeah, I'm like I said, I've just got so many either my own 579 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:46.480 experiences were trusted weird experiences that I investigated myself where I said, something very 580 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:52.000 strange occurred here. There's really an endless list of them. Like I said, 581 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:57.679 the more you get into it, the more you see the anomalous things 582 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.360 you see, what doesn't fit the eight pattern. You go, oh, 583 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:05.400 yeah, tracks. But then after you look at enough tracks and you're cast 584 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:10.679 enough tracks, you go, there's a weight problem because they're either too deep 585 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:15.360 or they're too shallow, or there's too few. Yeah, there's never too 586 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.960 many. Do You never know where they stop and where they suck. A 587 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.199 lot of times they'll be in the middle of a soft sand bar with no 588 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:27.519 other tracks around. So you start to wonder about the tracks after you really 589 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:32.440 study the details of the tracks. And speaking of science, nobody has ever 590 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.800 sat down and said, well, if I have a two inch deep track 591 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:44.440 in this substrate, what is the compressibility of this substrate and therefore, how 592 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:51.320 much does this creature weigh if it can push this soil down two inches and 593 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.199 compress it with a foot with that much surface area, Because you know, 594 00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.000 it's a lot of weight. But no one's ever even tried to calculate. 595 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:07.519 Which is an area that I think would lead to interesting discoveries scientifically, because 596 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:14.239 all the tracks I've seen don't add up like a normal animal. They disappear, 597 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:16.199 they don't go anywhere Where do they end? Where do they start? 598 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:20.880 I mean, that's how it is for me, and I've found a few 599 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.039 real tracks out there, at least I think they were. You know, 600 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:28.440 once again, this is kind of the thing about the science and Bigfoot. 601 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:35.840 It's science or science ism, because nobody's narrowed the problem space by doing actual 602 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:40.480 experimental work and said, okay, we can narrow the problem space here scientifically 603 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:45.000 speaking, and at least do that. Now, this brings up the second 604 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.760 problem, which is there's a location problem. When all is said and done, 605 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.760 everyone knows where the hotspots are when you compare it to other discoveries of 606 00:49:54.760 --> 00:50:00.400 other species, like the coalescent, the confirming example found thirty seven miles away 607 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:06.400 in the Commoro silence fourteen years later. I think it was so from the 608 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.800 first Patterson film till now, and not that that's even a solid that's anecdotal 609 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:16.880 evidence. Anyhow, there's been no type specimen and no confirming type specimen with 610 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:21.960 bigfoots, So you know there's got to be a reason for that, right 611 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.000 you know. That's the thing is that people don't look at the next generation 612 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:34.000 of bigfoot researchers will study all the anomalies in the data in this generation's research, 613 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.840 and they will understand a different level of things. Is my prediction. 614 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:43.400 Hopeful prediction. Yes, I think you're definitely right there. We've mentioned it 615 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.639 a couple of times. I would be remiss if I didn't ask you. 616 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:49.840 It is anecdotal, but it is that thing that everybody always goes to. 617 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.880 You mentioned it early on in the interview. You got to pick a side 618 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:57.360 one way or the other on the PG film, And I'm honestly, I'm 619 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.559 fifty fifty most days. There's some days I'll look at it, and then 620 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:01.920 there's some days I go back and I'm like, God, you know that 621 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.719 could be a guy in a suit, right, And I know there's a 622 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.159 new AI image out there that I've talked about with other people that are floating 623 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:14.079 around where they filled in some of the gaps and the picture whatever. I 624 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.400 said all that to say, where are you on the PG film's validity? 625 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.199 Do you think that's a real creature that we're seeing in that film? You 626 00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:25.159 probably don't realize. I published a paper in nineteen ninety eight name Towards the 627 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:31.159 Resolution of the Bigfoot Phenomenon, where we spent five hundred thousand dollars to in 628 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:37.760 fact investigate the Patterson film and higher scientists to prove it was a hoax. 629 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:43.000 Or a guy in a gorilla suit. And Jeff Glickman and the Botech led 630 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:47.199 up the whole scientific research thing, and we went through the whole banana, 631 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:53.519 and I got a copy of the Patterson film from Patty Patterson. I paid 632 00:51:53.559 --> 00:52:02.639 her twenty thousand dollars to digitize the only remaining first generation copy of the film 633 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:09.199 from her safety deposit box. Took it to Turner Network Studios digitizing facility, 634 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:16.559 and New Jersey digitized the film that an incredible resolution, stabilized it twenty years 635 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:22.960 before the rest of you did all this research into the different photoemulsion layers of 636 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:28.239 red, green, and blue and looked at the Patterson film and each one 637 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.639 of those layers. I mean bottom line is and this is where I think 638 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.599 common sense has to take people by the hand and show them that this left 639 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:42.639 brain stuff is really getting carried away. Patterson film is really of a limited 640 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:49.960 use because if you look at the Bigfoot phenomenon as a logic problem, there's 641 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:59.039 four possible origins for the bigfoot phenomenon, and that is the phenomenon is people 642 00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.480 keep saying they see the giant. People find these tracks, they find hair 643 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.760 samples, they heard these knocks, right I mean, that's the big Foot 644 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:12.079 phenomenon. It's all these stories and some tracks and some samples. So there's 645 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.360 four things that could possibly cause it. Right, you could have a misidentified 646 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:22.119 animal like a bear. You could have aped a guy in a gorilla suit. 647 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:28.320 You could have a mass hallucination where everybody just wants to believe in a 648 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:34.079 Bigfoot. Or you could actually have sightings of an uncataloged animal. That's number 649 00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:39.639 four. And so the Patterson film eliminates two of those four possibilities. You 650 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:43.519 know it isn't a guy in a gorilla suit. That doesn't add up, 651 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.519 and you know that it's not a mass illuction. Wait, let me take 652 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:51.679 that back. You know it's not a mass illucination. It really gets down 653 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.559 to it's either a hoax or an uncataloged animal. And so the Patterson film 654 00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:00.639 forces you to narrow down the possibilities to those two. That's what it's good 655 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:06.079 for. Thanks to the Patterson film, we know it's either a hoax or 656 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.280 it's a real animal. That's all we know from the Patterson film. That's 657 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:14.719 all we will ever know from the Patterson film. That's where I say common 658 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.760 sense has to take charge. Let it go how about doing some other research, 659 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:24.119 you guys, after sixty years of poring over this thing, I blew 660 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:28.400 five hundred grand on it. All right, you know what happened in my 661 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:34.079 Patterson film study. Everybody ignored it. They pretended like it was never done. 662 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.599 They reinvented the wheel. Everybody went out and did the same thing all 663 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:44.760 over again, over and over and over. All the conclusions we reached back 664 00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:51.280 in our nineteen ninety eight paper they suddenly rediscovered over and over and over. 665 00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:57.000 It was completely ignored by everybody, all the big foot researchers and all the 666 00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:02.400 real scientists. So I learned my lesson with the Patterson film, which is 667 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:07.199 that, yeah, okay, you can learn something from the Patterson film, 668 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.440 whether it's a hoax or a real animal is basically you get down to those 669 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:15.199 and then you've got to take it from there and leave the Patterson film, 670 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.599 because you're never going to figure out from the Patterson film whether it's a hoax 671 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.480 or a real animal. I mean, we've been trying for sixty years. 672 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.760 Maybe we will figure it out one day, but I don't think it's worth 673 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:31.519 the return on investment. I can speak to that, having invested so much 674 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.079 so I'm like, no, it's time to move on, find something else 675 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:42.159 to study. One of the things that we concluded at the very end of 676 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.039 our paper was that one of the best things you could do was to get 677 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:52.039 all the Bigfoot artifacts that were floating around out there, liked the Patterson film 678 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:57.480 and get it under curation so that future researchers would have access to the data 679 00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.480 and would have access to the We did the second, the first copy of 680 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:05.440 the Patterson film. The original's gone, but you can still get a copy 681 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.039 of the first copy and preserve it for future generations to study. Because we 682 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:13.800 couldn't get to the end, we couldn't prove it was a guy in a 683 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:19.079 guerrilla suit, nor would we therefore prove it was any flesh and blood thing 684 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.760 either. Yeah, I totally have to you know. In the end, 685 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.000 through all those words, I'm in the same place you were. Who knows, 686 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.960 fifty fifty five hundred grand poorer fifty fifty okay, Yeah, Well, 687 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.639 I'm glad I didn't spend half a million dollars to get to my fifty fifty. 688 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.800 Yeah. Really, it's not worth it. I hope I saved you 689 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:42.760 the money. So I guess the last word is this. Every time I 690 00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.320 do a show like this and it goes outside of the flesh and blood camp, 691 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.440 I'll always get emails. I get people sending me messages saying that guy 692 00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.320 was full of shit. You know that story is not true. I know 693 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.159 you well enough to know that you don't give a shit what other people think. 694 00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:00.559 So I'll give you the last word on where you are. You've gotten 695 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:05.920 to your hypothesis, on your theory on this bigfoot thing. Is there anything 696 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.079 that you would leave as far as parting words? You stepped away from this 697 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:12.960 for almost thirty years and here you are back on the scene for all of 698 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.320 us that are in this for you know, a short just a blip on 699 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:20.440 the map, basically compared to how much time you've given the subject. Is 700 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:25.079 there any advice for anybody that's listening that is into this subject and they want 701 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:30.159 to take it seriously and do some research. Is there any last words for 702 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:32.400 them that you would leave to them? As the generation coming up, it's 703 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:37.079 going to be looking at all this data that we've talked about, question everything. 704 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:42.719 Why No, I'm just being an asshole. My advice is follow your 705 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:50.519 intuition and ignore all these assholes instead, think about Chewbacca. Yeah, that'll 706 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.679 get you closer. Yeah, there you go. That's my advice for the 707 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:59.639 kids. You're right, I don't really care anymore about other people's opinions. 708 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.239 Tremendously. It's one of the most fascinating subjects ever. I would have to 709 00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:13.800 say is it's really interesting, and it really connects everything together. It's really 710 00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:19.159 amazing. It's one of the most worthwhile subjects of study. That's what I 711 00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.480 would say. Well, there you heard it, folks. Henry Franzoni, 712 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:23.920 thanks so much for coming on the show. I've had a blast talking to 713 00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:28.039 you, and I really appreciate you sharing your stories and your perspectives. If 714 00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.239 yes, I'm happy too. I'm glad. I'm glad you like stories. 715 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:37.000 Yeah. Generally speaking, I am about to I should pump my book one 716 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:42.920 last sec I'm publishing a book called Failing in a Cooler Way, How I 717 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.480 Failed to Find Bigfoot. That's the name of it. And it's an ironic 718 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:51.239 title because I think I actually have found it, you know, But that's 719 00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:57.280 for you to decide. 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