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go. Let's bring on our very special guest for the evening. His name
is Bud. He's from the great state of Wisconsin. I had the pleasure
of being on his daughter's podcast. I guess it was last week, and
I'll put the links to that in the show description. If you'd like to
check it out in her website, please help me. Welcome Bud, Bud.
How are you doing a night, sir? Fantastic? It's it's nice
to meet you. And how did you find I'd like to ask you first,
how did you find the podcast? I guess it was just looking at
different podcasts at the time. I knew and understand about the flat Earth since
about twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen. While in there, started studying it out,
and then every so often I just look up new people with different podcasts in
yours that the flat Earth Files hit me. I listened to it and was
hooked right away. That's outstanding. So you've been in the flat earth community
for for almost ten years now, that's that's great stuff. Go ahead and
kind of introduce yourself to the listeners a little bit about yourself, sir.
First of all, when you say community, I do share it. I'm
not afraid to share it the flat Earth. But I am not in any
community, any conventions or anything like that. But anyways, my name is
Bud. I'm working on my chipping away at seventy two years on this earth.
I've grew up with six Sibley siblings. My brother John uses the joke
from my guess Rodney Dangerfield that we were so poor that we had to eat
our breakfast cereal with a fork so the next person could have some milk.
And we just grew up in a home actually that was very loving and a
lot of laughter. I was raised Catholic, but my journey actually starts around
the age of thirty six that I will be talking about. That's when I
met the love of my life, which is Judy. She came with a
nine year old son from a previous marriage, and so I started with a
family right away. After about a year of marriage, we had a daughter,
and my prayer then was I did not want to force my religion nor
my wife's religion on our daughter. My prayer was that we discover God,
or that she would discover God on her own. So with that being said,
I started reading the Bible also at her very early age, and what
I started to learn from the Bible actually took me away from the Catholic Church.
So yes, that's my little saga or the introduction of my life.
Prior to really studying and asking to learn truth. Now, had you always
been kind of a critical thinker. There's there's a lot of folks who will
take you know, if there's a guy in a lab coat, or if
there's a teacher that's saying something, they'll take it for wholesale. Or growing
up through school and through life, were you always the one that had to
kind of research things for yourself to get a definitive answer. I think I
would be the latter. I've always investigated things. I did have a quest
for knowledge. I would say not so much at that age because my grades
didn't really show it, but I was. I was above average in class.
I was the instigator of a lot of things in our family. I
would say that I've always questioned authority and questioned different things we were told or
what to do. Now I was going to say this, Oh okay,
No, you go ahead, sir, We're gonna say okay. This whole
saga was initiated, as I said, by the birth of my daughter.
I decided that I wanted to her to come to the truth. So as
I was raised Catholic, my wife my wife was raised seven day Adventis.
We both practiced our faith and in doctrine and in action. However, when
my daughter was born in nineteen eighty nine, rather than dictating herbill, I
prayed and asked God for guidance that he would guide all of us to his
truth. The more I prayed for my daughter, the more my family was
exposed to biblical truth. The more I discovered. I also noticed on important
things were being set aside, and little tangible blessings came to the forefront.
For example, you asked me earlier if I was a Packer fan back in
nineteen ninety six. I I'm pretty sure it was when the Packers were well
on their way to the Super Bowl. I happened to be watching my daughter
while watching the game, and I noticed that she was just passing time,
waiting for the game to be over for me to interact with her. And
I thought, there's something going on here that's just not right, So I
actually turned off the TV. I never watched the finish of that particular game.
And as they said, they were well on their way to the Super
Bowl, and I went out, picked up some lumber and decided to build
a playhouse for my daughter. The playhouse took a few would say weeks to
build. So every time I had the inkling of either either watching a football
game or anything that took my time away from the family, I decided I'd
rather go and work on that playhouse. So we had a lot of fun
years in that playhouse. That playhouse went from a little place, a little
two story house in front of our farm at the time, you know,
Creek, Wisconsin. Who I put it on telephone poles with a little fence
around it because we were blessed with a little farm at so we had horses,
chickens, pigs, goats. When I say pig, just one pot
belly pig that our son had as a pet. And we just lived our
life on this little farm. And I guess that particular, how would you
say it says if you come nigh to Christ, he will come nigh to
you. Well, that showed well in that particularly. I don't think I
watched since nineteen ninety six a full football game since. Wow, that is
something, and especially as we get older. I don't want to speak for
anyone else, but I just mentioned this earlier today to someone else. You
know, the two resources that we never have enough of is money and time.
But as you get older, you more worry about time than money.
It's it's it's incredible how fast the days go. As you get older and
you want to leave, you want to do your best, at least I
do. I always say I want to leave the world in better shape than
than how I found it. And that was the monstra we used in the
military. Whenever we fell on an outpost in Iraq, we always tried to
make it better, so when whoever was relieving us would have a better place
than what we found it. And I think we should all take that and
do with it with the world as well. We live in a world where
governments claim that they own the land and we are simply renting it from them,
and that's one of the real reasons why we can't even get to the
bottom of things like Antarctica with the Antarctic Treaty and things like that. So
by getting back to what I was mentioning, that the factor of time,
and you're right, you know, sitting there, you're watching a football game,
and that's three hours of your life, and in some cases that's the
entire afternoon and before you know it, it's it's gone. And you know
as well as I how fast the children grow up, right, Amen to
that. In fact, I say how relative time is. When you're sixteen
years old, you have to understand that a year is just one sixteenth of
your life, which is quite a bit. Yep. When you're seventy years
old, the year becomes one seventieth of your life, and it goes fast,
It really goes fast. I also want to mention when I said my
wife brought a son into the picture. My son, who's an outgrown has
given us thirteen grandchildren, six grandchildren, and my daughter has given me two
grandchildren. So I have a total of eight grandchildren, which are just as
precious as anything at this age as I can imagine. Oh, that's in
I don't. Well, we have eight now, and we just found out
about two months ago we got one more on the way that's due in January.
So what have nine come the turn of the calendar. That's beautiful?
Are what are their ages? From what to what? Well, from it'll
be newborn and my oldest, Noel, she is twelve. Oh that's quite
a bit and that limited time. Yep. Absolutely well. To go on
a little bit with my understanding or learning about God, one of the first
people I came across and I actually interacted with him through conversations on the phone
and stuff like that. Was a gentleman by the name of Kent Hogan.
Oh sure, he had a creation seminar that As a Catholic, you always
believed that you could believe in let's say, creation and evolution at the same
time. And Kent seemed to bring it to mind that no, that can't
be and it's either one or the other, and you better get to know
the God of creation. So I think I spent time learning more about creation
and I started studying all the different aspects of creation, went more to the
Bible. This is where I started incorporating fasting and prayer. I guess with
my reading because I just realized that it was the way to go and I
seemed to be getting answers. I'm going to say around two thousand and four
I actually had a night long of prayer. All I can say was I
started to ask God. I read the Bible and I asked him a couple
of times. It just really didn't do anything for me other than become a
good historical book. I didn't get all the other aspects or the little nuances
that one can get out of the Bible when you really read it in a
prayerful manner. So as I was saying my prayer, it was I guess
in a way, I say a little my little voice in my mind.
I don't think God actually, well, he might speak to some people,
but in my situation, I found that it's just a thought that seems to
come ahead of everything else, or that something you know you wouldn't have thought
of on your own, but it seems to permeate your mind. So anyways,
through that particular prayer it said you have to ask for forgiveness. And
as I said, raised Catholic and being in confessional most of my childhood,
I got on my knees and spent the whole night remembering all my sins are
dastardly deeds of yesteryear. And actually, when I got up off my knees
the next morning, I felt physically lighter. It was just something I've never
experienced before. I asked God, if that's what forgiveness feels like. It
was just an emotional, euphoric feeling that I really was forgiven. And that
very next day in the morning, a letter came in the mail, and
it was from a gentleman. His name was Bill Barrett. He since passed
away, he did become a friend of the family, and I was told
he used to study the Bible twenty five years prior with my wife. And
he just sent out a letter saying he's been really finding little pearls of wisdom
throughout the Bible, and he found it not a new way of studying.
I guess a lot of people have studied this way. There was a gentleman
by the name of William Miller who was in the eighteen forty four movement that
we might touch on also later, But anyways, he brought the mind.
He says, if you want to learn how to study, or if you
want to discuss studying the Bible, feel free to give me a call.
So I immediately got on the phone because I actually told him what just happened
to me the night before. I said, I got to tell you.
I just was on my knees asking God how I could understand the Bible better,
and I told him he asked they I went to an all night long
prayer and then this letter came through, and he's the first one that explained
to me. He says, you know, God knew when you were going
to be ready for truth. He knew when I would be ready to share.
He said, this is no coincidence. He said, that's all prayer
work. God knows well in advance when things like this is going to happen.
And for instance, I like to bring up, if I could,
one of the things he taught of how to study the Bible was true the
different let's say, stories of the Bible or the Let's see, what would
you say, like, I'll give you an example of the parable of the
woman with ten pieces of silver. I think that's in Luke fifteen, verse
eight, where it says, and this is what you do to how the
study the Bible. You look up all the nouns, let's say, in
a particular passage, and you bring it to the Bible, and you discern
it by using the Bible how the Bible used it prior and in different situations
in the Bible. For instance, that parabolo a woman that has ten pieces
of silver, she loses one piece of silver. She lights a lantern,
she sweeps the floor, she finds the lost piece of silver, and when
she finds it, she tells her friends and neighbored. Ye well, anyways,
I'm going to work backwards with that so you get the full impact down
that when she swept the floor, you got to find out, you know,
she was removing dust. And of the dust, who is made of
dust? In the Bible it is man. So you could say she was
getting man out of the way, or man's interpretation of a particular thing out
of the way. When you light a lantern in the Bible, you're usually
praying or asking for truth. Throughout the Bible, there's many passages say the
light is the light of truth and so on. I mean, I can
I have I've written about this in a study, and I give a lot
of passages in the Bible where you can find things. Then well, then
she lost a piece of silver, one of her coins or silver coins.
And it says in the Psalm's twelve six, God says, my words are
like pieces of silver. And the fact that she gave ten of them,
she had ten pieces of silver, what did God give us ten of you
could say in his word? And I would venture to say that was the
ten commandments? And a woman in let's say God's Church or God's people,
represents just that. A woman. He says, my people are like a
comely bride. My people are like a chase virgin his people, or a
woman represents his people. So to paraphrase that particular let's say parable by using
the Bible as it's way of explaining it. That says God people or God's
church has lost one of his commandments. They are going to pray for enlightenment.
They're gonna sweeping at man's interpretation out of the way, and when they
find that lost commandment, they will share it and rejoice with their neighbors.
But the only commandment that was lost was the Sabbath. There was the Sabbath
commandment. We all know that there's many Christians that keep the Sunday commandment,
and I as a seven daid venice, used to keep the Saturday Sabbath.
But in our studies and what we have learned, and this will come in
much later. Also, this is one of my prayers. We have discovered
the lunar solar Sabbath which works with the luninaries of the sky luminaries and it's
the first half moon, the full moon, the waning half moon, and
the no moon are your sabbath after new moon day. And my prayer was
that it was the same Sabbath that Christ kept. So anyways, that was
one of my prayers and one of them that was answered through the Bill Barrett
type of way of studying the Bible. And you can do this with almost
any parable in the Bible. Those little pearls of wisdom are buried for all
of us to discern and to discover and to enjoy. And you just and
you're using the Bible as its own. I would you say explanation for that
particular parable or that particular study. And can I interject with one question before
we go forward? Do you think they manipulated the calendars to kind of interfere
with the lunar Sabbath instead of thirteen months twenty eight days they do what they
did now or do you think that's well, that's part of it. In
fact, in Daniel, I think it's even twenty five. It says that
the Antichrist will think to change times and laws, and when he changed times,
that's what he actually did by changing the calendar. Now, I don't
know if they had that particular you could say thing in mind. They were
also trying to achieve a three hundred and sixty five day year, but they
did completely wipe out God's calendar, and I wrote a piece on that too.
Also, I should do a little plug on ours. We have a
little place called Family for Truth WordPress dot com, and I have about I'm
going to say twenty to twenty five different studies that I have wrote that are
purely Biblity based. You can look up every verse that I used to come
to my conclusion, and I think it teaches quite a bit. In fact,
that's how I could say sort of walked away from the Catholic Church.
In fact, I have a little, I guess a cute little story on
that. Also, what ha happened was I came across the DVD. This
was early in my trying to learn about God. I was raised Catholic,
so the DVD was the anti Christ of the Bible. So I started to
watch it and I woke up the next morning sleeping in my chair, and
I didn't know who the anti Christ was. I thought, Wow, that's
strange. I usually don't fall asleep doing movies, especially if they're interesting or
these studies like that, and I just thought, are very strange that it
was kept for me. So I was working at the time. So the
next time, when I got off of work. I was going to put
the DVD back in, and I wanted to find out Whodi Anti Christ was,
or who was at least mentioned, And so I watched it again,
and loan, behold, I fell asleep in the chair. And if you
knew anything about me, I used to do twelve fourteen hours, maybe even
sixteen hours a day work. I always was in my own business, so
you know, coming home, and I mean, yes I could. I
was always good for one movie or one DVD or learning something. But both
nights in a row I fell asleep. So now I'm thinking the Devil's things
to me. There's just no way I'm falling asleep at that. So I
started it halfway through this time, and I watched it, and I discovered
that the Bible was saying that the anti Christ is not necessarily someone against God.
It's someone in the position of God, and it's in the position of
God on earth, and anti means in place of not so much against.
And then when you discover that it's more rather than a particular person, it's
more of a position. And I'll come out and say it. I mean
it came out and said it's the position of the pope. The pope is
doing everything that God said he could. Only God can forgive sins. The
pope is saying he bishops and cardinals and priests can forgive sins. Only God,
I mean, you can only pray to God. And actually the Catholics,
I don't know if they necessarily pray to the pope. T is God
on earth. And then all the other descriptions that happen to be that you
can read in through Daniel from let's say Daniel too, all the way through
Daniel eight and along with Revelation. The position of the pope just fits in
there so nicely. I mean, there's over ten aspects of that particular study
that you can come to the conclusion that it is the position of the pope
that is the anti Christ of the Bible. And as you said before about
the calendar, he thinks that change times and laws. That's right, That
was early study of mine. That's very interesting. Yeah, and somebody had
mentioned before in one of my podcasts that, uh, one of the symbols
of the pope, which I think is vicarious feely d d ei can also
translate into six six six it does, Okay, that is one of the
one of the things that the Bible does bring on. Yeah, and it's
interesting if if you look at Washington, DC and you look at all the
Roman architecture, uh, and even on our dollar bills, the throwbacks to
the Roman h the wording what what is it like? The Novus so clum,
all that stuff goes back to to the Roman Empire. Right, I
know what you're saying. I probably like us sometimes I don't remember all the
stuff with the annunciation of it. But yes, I've read about a lot
of stuff. In fact, I know you come across the DVD you must
have because I'm your fact hunter of Walter Fife. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, Okay, I've listened to everything he has probably put out in
not so much as modern stuff, but let's say of about six to eight
years ago and four and beyond that. He has a thing called the Total
Onslaught. It's twenty eight DVDs that just walked through the Bible unreal. In
fact, when I became an Adventice I was baptized into the Adventice Church.
I always want to call it a movement, but they used it since two
thousand and six. And I then at that time, with what I was
learning. I had Bible studies at the library. We had Bible studies at
our home that went from twenty to fifty people. Wow. We brought in
people from Australia that we would bring in a different that would bring in the
message of God. We brought in people from California, all of which I
will share links, or at least my daughter will. And really have come
across a lot of knowledge, and not so much new knowledge, but knowledge
refinding note is in our history that a lot of the churches actually believed and
so on. So very interesting stuff indeed, and I've got two Well,
first of all, I should say Latin was that big word I was trying
to think of. That's what happens when when the brain overheats. It's interesting
you mentioned Kent Hovin, because here's a guy. Say what you will about
him. He walked, the walked. He was a guy number one.
He didn't buy evolution and the Big Bang theory and these type of things.
But he also it was a guy who realized that the government was a big
problem. And I don't think he was a fan of taxes. And I
think they actually set him down the river for I don't know how long,
but you know, there's people who talk to talk, but he is someone
I don't know where he is today. I think he did hear an interview
or a couple of interviews with him since he's been out, But it really
wasn't He wasn't paying taxes. He had a lot of subcontractor's just like a
lot of businesses hold to set up his business that way by his accountant.
It's just that the government can do what they want to do him when they
say no, they're not subcontractors, they're employees. That they said he had
a lot of back taxes from employee taxes. Oh geez. That was sad.
And as you say, he did walk the walk. He was very
interesting. He educated myself at least on evolution and creation. But I know
that some people wrote him after when he did get out of his prisoner or
whatever, and they talked to him about the flat earth, and he was
a denier at the time, but that was a good I'm going to say
four or five years ago. So I don't know where she's at right now,
but there's a lot of people that were talking to him that really wanted
him to come on board with the so called flat Earth. Yeah, because
there are a lot of people and if correct me, if I'm wrong.
Ken Hooven was one of them who was a literal Bible person, like you
should take it literally, but like so many other people, maybe well you
know, maybe he just had a different take on the Book of Genesis.
But for me, if we're going to do all that literally, then I
go to not just Genesis one, but you can go to the Tower of
Babel and many other chapters with just within Genesis. If we're going to take
things literally that go against the evolution, big bang theory, heliocentrism, et
cetera. I agree in fact now that when I said I became an adventist
and I started studying more, I started asking more, I started sharing more.
But we talked earlier when he said, you draw an eye to God
and he will draw an eye to you. I think what's supposed to happen
is as you read the Bible more and become more into Bible truth, those
changes, like we talked about sports and different things we used to do,
they just fall by the wayside and you don't realize it until all of a
sudden, maybe you look back and say, you know, I'm not interested
in that anymore. I'm not doing that anymore. But I found out God
has a sense of humor if you ask for specific changes rather than let him
change you at his own. Let's say, will I used to be very
impatient, and I just I started praying for patience. I said, God,
I would like to see a miracle. I would like to see how
that really can be transformative. And so, anyways, a cute little story
I sometimes tell to family and friends is one day I was that we went
to my post office box to pick up our mail and there was a letter
in there saying you have a package for you. And at that particular time,
gas prices were high. And as I said, I'm not very patient.
And as I walked to the front, there are about seven people in
line, and that is a long line for me. So anyways, I
decided I was thinking about it. Should I go on other errands or come
back? And I says, ah, you're here. The price of the
gas are ridiculous. How this can't be that long. Anyways, seven of
the most neediest people that ever walked the face of the earth fire in front
of me. I mean, I tell you, I sat through explanation of
explanation of just stupid things. So finally I got my turn up to the
counter you could say what seemed to be an eternity to me, and then
the person takes my ticket, runs in the back room and was gone for
about another eight to ten minutes and then come back empty handed, and she
goes, I am sorry, this was put in the wrong box. And
I have to tell you, I mean, rage started in my feet and
just was working its way just I mean, I was just about to say
something and that little what I told you is seems like a thought that comes
to that should have never came at that time. Yeah, I said,
you prayed for patience. What are you? How are you going to handle
this? And I I thought, wow, he says, I thank the
person for going back and check in. I says, that's all right.
Things happen like that, you know, And I went out. But I
got to tell you. On my way to the car, my God and
myself had a conversation and that is no way to teach patience, and that
is no way. I said, that's actually very wrong. And I told
him, if you think that's funny, that is just I think the ultimate
way of I guess just keeping someone from blowing up like that. Anyways,
it was just a little episode in my life that I realized, I'm not
going to pray for the changes I want. I'm going to let God do
the change he sees fit me and when to do them, when and how
he wants to do them. Because it was, just, as I said,
a funny little episode that I don't know where those thoughts come from,
but it was just one of those things like how are you going to handle
this? So, yeah, that's a great story. And we all have
our challenges and shortcomings, and patience is up there on my list as well.
My wife could attest to that, and that's something that we work on
as we get older as well, on on our shortcomings and it can be
dealing listen, but especially with some of the folks today that are out there,
it can be a bit of a test. But I'd like to think
as well that I've become a little bit more of a patient person than I
might have been even ten years ago. So here's the growing and praying and
to just trying to be a better person every day into that. Well,
I'd just like to talk about one more message we received in truth and then
I'll probably get into the flat earth part of it. Absolutely. One night
I prayed and as I was kneeling, I just said to God, I
said, I'm very sorry. I do not know how to pray to the
Holy Spirit. And at that time I says God, the Holy Spirit,
and it was just a prayer, just the little thing. I went off.
Well. The next day, in fact, I found out you even
come across this individual, a friend of mine by the name of Dean.
I hear he has written you a couple of times in some emails, and
I know you read them over your should because I have heard him, Yes,
sir. But anyways, he's a friend of ours. He's a truth
seeker, a very nice gentleman. He brought me a DVD and he just
said, Budge, you won't believe what you're going to see on this.
And I said, well, what is about? He says, we have
to watch it as a group and we should study it. So we did
just that we first, but before watching it, I had other He said,
it's on the Holy Spirit. So I had other DVDs that I used
to watch, and I spent I'm going to say a good sixteen hours of
watching different DVDs on the Godhead, the Trinity and the Holy Spirit and whatnot.
So I wanted to be loaded with Bible verses and let's say what I
thought were my beliefs. But this particular DVD brought up the concept of a
father and Son and that there is no such thing written in the Bible as
a trinity, and the Spirit of God is just that, the Spirit of
God. It's not God, the Holy Spirit. And you will no place
in the Bible find the words God the Holy Spirit. So anyways, we
started studying that out as a group, and that's where I met these people
from Australia and the gentleman from California, and I'll put their links in also,
And it's called the Father and Son message. And really, if you
read from John fourteen, let's say, through seventeen, which is the prayer
of Jesus Christ just before I would say, one of his last prayers on
earth. And if you really read through first John, all five or four
or five chapters of it, you really come to know and understand that it
is just that many times Jesus will say he's begotten of the Father, he
was sent by the Father. And if you're a trinitarian, you have to
you're sort of believing that Jesus is a second person of a trinity. And
the people that write about it say that you're they took on roll that God
the Father wasn't the father. I mean, if he doesn't have a son
up there, then he's not the father. I mean just of his creation,
but that that Jesus was the second person of the trinity, and he
more or less raised his hand and said I'll play the son, and that
they think it's more metaphorically speaking that Jesus is the son of God. Where
if you read the Bible, and as we studied the Bible, Jesus is
a literal son of God. And it says when it says God so loved
the world that he sent his only begotten son, Jesus, the Father had
to have a son to send. So I think the father and son message
sort of destroys, I shouldn't say, sort of destroys the concept of the
trinity and the spirit that you're praying for. Like in Galatians four six it
says the Father gives you the spirit of his son, so you can call
him father. It's the spirit of Christ that lives through us, and that's
the spirit you're praying for when you're praying for the Holy Spirit to be in
you. And throughout Jesus's prayer, he's saying things like Father makes us them
one as we are one, so as we come to know that truth,
we will become one with Christ. And throughout like in John seventeen three,
it says, this is life eternal, that they may know you, the
only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. So throughout
the Bible, when you really read with a discerned mind, I would say
you will find a father and son message and how they try to save their
creation. And along with that I also have studies on that in my family
for truth. But then as we continue, when you wanted to know the
flat earth episode, well, I have to comment on this because you want
to talk about how things work. I was a guest Friday night on a
podcast with Big Country. He was on my podcast back in March or April,
and he asked me, have I ever heard of a guy by the
name of Austin wits It I think his name is, and he's a flat
earth But he also did a five hour podcast on it was the first,
because we just accept the Trinity or the Godhead as it's known, right,
the Father Son, and Holy Spirit. And I had never questioned it,
and I'm about halfway through it, and that's the first I've really ever heard
anybody mentioned it or questioned it. And these things. It's almost it was
almost like flat Earth all over again. You're like, wait a second,
this is what I was taught ever since I was a young man. And
it was funny because as you were talking, I was perusing your website,
your your Family for Truth dot WordPress dot com and Bud's corner, and I
see the Godhead and the eleven articles there, and that is interesting, and
there's a lot of things that organized religion, and that's what I wanted to
ask you one last question before we jumped into flat Earth, where organized religion
doesn't always mesh up completely with the Bible, and that's just do you consider
that the biggest issue with the organized religion aside from flat Earth or do you
think there's other issues that you'll deal with as well and as a whole,
what's your what's your take on organized religion? I should ask that well,
I guess, to put it bluntly, what we do now is we have
a church home. We definitely, I mean we're not very large. We
have blossom up to like when I had speakers come in, people come from
all over the state, and we had had the room filled to a little
over one hundred and fifty people to come and listen to different speakers. We
have wow. In fact, the next thing we're going to have in September
and we are going to have a gentleman by the name of Troy Miller come
and speak to us on the lunar solar Sabbath. In fact, some of
the people, even in our group, don't believe right now in the lunar
solar Sabbath. They think it's too strange, too far fetched. But when
you really study what the Bible says about how God put the luminaries in the
sky for just that reason to keep his mod which is his feast days.
And the first feast day he had was the Sabbath. And I could even
run you through a story from that. In fact, if you look on
my family for truth, the one that says Eloheam's established epoch, that particular
one I run you through. And I have to say, of all the
writings that i've wrote. My daughter has always getting on my case saying,
why don't you make an outline first so you have your thoughts condensed so you
can express yourself better. And it's just not me. As I was writing
that particular paper, versus were coming to me that I never I mean,
parts of them, I've heard them before, but I never put them with
that particular usage. And as I was reading them, they were becoming you
could say, explanations for my paper, and it was I really feel that
particular message was God sent. In fact, there's a particular part of that
message where it says in the beginning or it says the morning evening in the
morning were the first day. While first of all, evening means just that
the word yahm in Hebrew means under the heat of the day or the light
of the day. So the evening in the morning or the yeah, we're
the first day. Evening was from twelve noon to sunset, because the evening
sacrifice was around three o'clock. The morning was from sunrise to twelve noon.
So when God says the evening in the morning, we're the first day,
he was just talking about the daylight hours. In fact, in John I
think it's John nine or eleven. Oh, I'll have to look that up.
But anyways, Jesus says, everyone knows there's twelve hours in the day,
so we were told, but everybody believes that as saying the evening it
was nighttime. Well, God called the darkness night. He did not call
the darkness evening. So I stressed that in that particular writing. And the
other thing that came to mind in that word, there's a word and there
we were the first day. Well, that word in Hebrew is haya.
That's also used elsewhere in the Bible. Because of the studies I told you
I used. Where you look up words in the Bible, that word is
also used by follow. So that statement could have been interpreted the evening in
the morning followed the first day, or as they have they have it were
the first day. Now, I'm not trying to change the Bible, but
in my writing, I say, I go on to say, that's how
God, with his infinite wisdom, can be both correct with both statements.
And you wonder how that happens. Is now, I don't have the book
in me where it says in the beginning God created the light and he called
the light day. That was before he created anything else. So what's the
first thing God created? Was a date? Well, one could go on
to say that was new moon day because before he starts creating. So when
you go through and stay, let's say the first day of the week,
it says the evening in the morning were the first day, it was that
or followed the first day. It followed the first day of the month.
But it was the first day of the week. If that makes sense that
people do. So when you read throughout, when you say the evening in
the morning were it could be the evening in the morning following. Because the
Holli Hebrew reckoned her Bible, they had new moon Day. Then their week
started with the next day of the month. So the second day of the
month was the first day of the week. And then when you get to
the very end where it says and he created all this, or it says
I think in chapter two had arrested on the seventh day, and he oh,
God finish his work on the seventh day, and he rested on the
seventh day. That's two things. If you say God finished his work on
the seventh day, then we have I would you say an injustice here because
they would kill people for working on the seventh So God cannot rest from his
work on the seventh day. So I ventured to say that they had two
seventh days. It was the seventh day of the month, but the eighth
day of the month became the seventh day of the week. And that's why
God could call it the seventh day, because now he was ending his week.
But if you go to the Septurgen, which is the Greek version of
that Bible, and it was, you know, translated back in the days
before Christ, they say God ended his work on the sixth day, and
they're talking about the same situation because those were Greek people who knew Hebrew and
were trying to explain it. Let's say to the Greek people on the earth
of that time, so they could understand what was meant in the Bible when
it said God finished his work on the seventh day, it was really God
finished his work the sixth day of the week. But he did finish his
work the seventh day of the month, and then he blessed the seven of
the week because it became a week because God declared it a week. And
I hope I made sense with all this. But if you read some of
my studies, I go on to explain how an only God can use the
word ayah which means followed and were and make truth out of it in the
same sentence while saying the same word exactly. Really well to think about.
It's just gonna say, it's really well done. And the article I'll link
that as well. It's Elohim's established epic, right, Yes, yeah,
I'll link that as well. It's got all the links, and you cite
all the verses as well to support your evidence, and you even delve into
Strong's concordance for some of the links as well. But I also want to
comment on what your comment when you said about the father and son. From
when I first met Bill Barrett and he told me how prayer works and how
God works, this is almost there's no such thing as a coincidence with our
father in heaven. The fact that you probably heard it, the fact that
I'm reiterating it about the father and son, and the fact you're probably now
It's just like when you buy a certain car, you see that car all
all over the road, and you you know that happens with the father and
son message. Once you heard it, you're going to find out there's a
lot of people out there that know it and understand it and studied it,
and there's speakers that are so well versed on it that they're gonna blow your
mind with just what they say. And the point you brought up earlier also
because when you first hear most of your so called truths are when you are
young. They're usually, how would you say, traditions handed down from generation
to generation, just like what we say about the flat earth. Same thing
with the God had the fact that the Trinity is all that anybody talks about,
but it's not what I said. You can read that into the Bible
by changing God's words and thoughts, but you cannot read Trinity out from the
Bible by interpreting God at what he meant to say. So it's an interesting
study, interesting concept. But as I said, we are learning so much
so fast that all I can say is praise the Lord. He has been
blessing us with a lot of things. In fact, with this lunar solar
that I'm was telling you about what happened with that particular one, I many
times fast and pray when I do my writings or when I'm trying to get
to know a concept that God is teaching me from the Bible. And one
particular time, I was just happ having walking up our stairs in our house,
and I just questioned God, I says, God, what's wrong between
us? I said, I'm not getting these little bits of information that I've
been just receiving. Not that I have to have a new thing every day,
but you kind of know when you're just reading the Bible and it's coming
to you and you're grasping it and it's making a lot of sense. And
I just was feeling a little ostracides. I guess. Anyways, a thought
came to mind. That's how it always is. He goes, I asked
you to study the Lunar Sabbath. And my retort to him and in my
mind, this is all going on in my mind. In fact, you
could say Dean was part of this and our group of people that get together
and study. I said, God, you know, we studied it.
I brought it to the group, We looked into it. I says,
you have people, And I named him off like this. I met Audie,
this Nadder Mensur, this Daniel Mesa. These are all. I mean,
these are Bible scholars. If you look up any of their programs,
you're going to see them just go off on studies that are Wow, where
did they get this from? They have to be inspired, you know that
type of stuff. Anyways, I said, none of those, all those
convinced me that it's the Saturday, that it's the Saturday we've been keeping.
And then another thought just and it was emphasized, he was, I asked
you to study the lunar Sabbath. And I thought, whoa, I said,
and right away, this is my retort to God. This is all
my mind have. I got to grant you. This is not I'm heavy.
I'm not talking out loud in my house since they and I just said,
I said, I don't care what day it is. I said,
I don't have a horse in this race. I said, all I want
is to keep the same Sabbath Christ kept when he was on this earth.
That's all I want. And my studies, I'm not knu those particular studies
have gone from I'm going to say, forty papers, some of them fifty
sixty sheets long, that write both pro and con of the lunar solar Sabbath,
that I mean there's encyclopedias that stayed both sides of the fact. And
I mean, I'm just going through this, going watching DVDs, reading articles,
looking up encyclopedias, reading from Josephus. I mean, you you name
it, the all the outside sources and the Bible itself, and I just
really couldn't draw a conclusion. Tearfully, I went to God and in a
prayer, and that's when I said, I wanted to keep just the sabbathat
Christ kept. And right after that, I'm not getting you. You could
say a flood of information came to be more or less stating that new Moon
Day was a particular day. God created three days. When he created days,
he created new moon days, work days, and the Sabbath, and
that's those are the days, and that's how they actually fall. You have
new moon days, that's one entity the gods. The doors of the temple
were open. Then you had six work days when the doors were closed,
and then you had Sabbath day. And just to give you an example,
when you really when you can figure out what the days of the week that
the Sabbath fell on the actual number day, you will find out that it
always fell on the eighth, the fifteenth to twenty second, or the twenty
ninth, And the only way can fall on the eighth, as if you
have New Moonday on the first, if you're taken the Battle of Jericho,
when they marched around the city for seven days, what day would have been
the sabbath that they were in war paraphernalia, you know, But if they
got there on New Moonday, And if you go to the Book of Jasher,
it says just that. Now one might say, how can you use
the Book of Jasher when you're talking about the Bible. The Book of Joshua
itself uses the Book of Jasher and explaining another situation that happened there. So
in the Book of Jasher it says they came upon the city the first day
of the second the first day of the second month, which would have allowed
them to march around the city for seven days, and on the eighth day
of the month, which would have been their sabbath, they would have been
able to keep the sabbath with the Lord. So there's little situations like that
throughout the Bible that actually speak towards it and make it very interesting to find
out those little type of facts. Yeah, that's interesting, Joshua ten thirteen.
And once again, if we are going to take the Bible literally,
if the sun stopped, that would mean everything stopped and people would be floating
away right into outer space. That kind of kills the whole gravity thing.
But there's a lot of people out there that still demand science. Something I
mentioned in an interview earlier today, there's going to be people out there which
kind of talking about flat Earth here is there's been many, many experience experiments
excuse me, that show we can see too far, and for many people
in the truth community or in the flat earth world, that is their biggest
smoking gun to say we do live on a flat plane that we can simply
see too far. There are people out there that you can show in these
things, and even if we had permission, you could fly him to Antarctica,
and even if we could see the firmament that they may still not believe.
Like you said earlier in the very beginning of the podcast, people have
to be willing to accept the message even to that. But also I pray
for our elected officials, and whether they're on my side or against me,
I just pray for everyone, because some of you know, are just captured
by Satan and some you know are need our help and our prayers. Anyways,
But anyways, believe it or not, it was Barack Obama that brought
me to the flat earth. I just happened to be listening to one of
his speeches, and I only I don't listen to the whole thing. I
usually catch him on YouTube and stuff like that. But at one of his
speeches, I think it was around twenty twenty thirteen someplace in there, he
used, you know, they should be flat earth. There's in a derogatory
sense, and I just remember hearing that speech, and I then when as
I went to bed, then I said, who can be a flat earth
in today? And why would they even bring why would anybody have conversation about
a flat earth in today's you know, realm whatever. So anyways, I
looked it up and the first person I happened to come across was Eric Dubaying
and watching his stuff. It was like, very interesting. I thought,
hey, minute, this makes a little bit of sense here. Yeah,
I said, who are these people? So anyways, like everybody else,
I hear it constantly where someone says, oh when they heard it, it
does It consumes about two months of your life, watching everything you can,
reading everything you can. I've read what this particular book this guy is the
Bible from God or something like that. Is the Earth the globe? I
mean it's a it's a book back in eighteen ninety three or something like that.
The guy who made the map, the Gleeson. Yeah, it's his
book, and I read that. And I've read other books. I have
the book the Sixteen Landings, you know, emergency landings, all this type
of stuff, But that came much later. I bought those books only to
show other people of what I've learned. But I I mean I was listening
to Who's at Skiba who since passed away, and many other people, and
just a lot of things like that. So as I said, I was,
I was one of those convinced. Although I was watching it for about
two months. I was just how would you say adding to the evidence?
Because I was turned. I would say within a week that the earth is
not a globe. In fact, one of the things you always asked many
times you're the people as you interview them, you know, like what is
your favorite way of looking at it? And so on? Now mine actually
should be a visual but I'll try and talk to you through it, which
is which is what A good example like Togo, Africa and Guyana, South
America are approximately four thousand miles apart, okay, they're very close to the
equator. So when the sun is overhead on Togo at twelve noon, the
sun goes from east to west. So now when it becomes one o'clock,
the sun has actually traveled approximately one thousand miles and covered a fifteen degree arc.
So now when it gets to two o'clock, it covered another's fifteen degree
arc, which makes it thirty degrees now and it's traveled two thousand miles,
okay, So that means the arc that you have left from that when the
sun was right above you is a sixty degree arc. Okay. Now,
when you're in Guyana and you're looking at the sun coming towards you at ten
o'clock in the morning, it is approximately two thousand miles from you. So
when Guyana sun is at ten o'clock in the morning, it is two o'clock
in the afternoon at Togo. So if you can picture this in your mind,
so as the sun's coming towards you, now it's eleven o'clock, you're
in Guyana, it's a fifteen degree arc. It travels and it's and then
when it gets to eleven o'clock, now it traveled that thirty degree arcs.
So what's left on the ground, or let's say you looking at it,
is another sixty degree arc. So the person in Togo has seen the sun
at a sixty degree arc away from them, the person in Guyana has seen
the arc at a sixty degree at ten o'clock in the morning coming towards them,
and they are four thousand miles apart. Well, everybody that knows anything
about geometry, a triang only has one hundred and eighty degrees. If you
know two degrees are sixty, you know the third angle of sixty. And
if you know one side is four thousand miles, the other two sides have
to be four thousand miles. So when you take the height of a triangle,
so if you can figure that out, that means the height of the
Sun can't be much more than thirty four hundred miles away from us. And
from that particular distance that you can obtain through geometry, which is real science,
that you can figure out the width of the sun, and that has
to be I would say anywhere between thirty two and thirty five miles, so
both the sun and the moon are approximately just that, I would say anywhere
from about thirty four hundred to thirty eight hundred miles away from us, and
maybe thirty two to thirty five miles in diameter. And that see, it's
more and that's a given. I mean anything that people try to prove with
an experiment has failed when they tried to prove the earth moving. But you
can prove everything. And as you said, I did buy one of those
guns. I checked the shadow of the moon and the shadow of the sun
in the shade, and yes, that all turns out whenever I drive up
on the top either mountain or something that I'm always taking pictures, and yes,
you can see from miles and miles of flatness. And then when you
open a plane and taking off same thing. You see what they say where
you can tell the world and all your senses actually do tell us the truth.
But because we were informed just about like anything as a youth, and
these were from people we respected, and if they say so, it has
to be so. And we've been teaching that to our children, but not
my grandchildren. There you go and that's really and is this something that you
came up with, the Togo to Guyana. Yes, that's really interesting because
looking at it on a map, they are just about almost exactly the same
latitude. And yeah, it's about what miles from Togo to Guyana. Yes,
yeah, that is really really interesting that that is another tool in the
two box for everyone who's a flat earther. So and as I said,
God has actually God has made it very simple for if we just take him
at his word and not read into his word, but just read his word.
There's just different studies. Like I'll give an example right now, I'm
trying to do a study of the Nephilum. But when you do it,
if you take God at his word, and I many times like to use
different translations of the Bible because it sometimes some just make it more clear than
others. I'll give you for instance, like with the Nephilum, it starts
out if you read d NIV. And I know a lot of people say,
well not d n IV. But rather than say God was looking at
man, it says God was looking at humans or you know it, it
not only pluralizes it if there's such a word, but at all. He
is also saying he's looking at his creation, and Nephilim is just the word
that means giants. And according to the Bible, I guess the people that
were staying truer to God, or that stayed in the the One God movement,
the God of Creation, were kind of of Seth line and they were
just taller, larger human beings, the ones that seemed to come out of
Canes lineage. Maybe because they were producing so fast, human beings were getting
smaller. They were becoming more like the smaller human beings are not quite the
big giants. And so it is just that it's I don't think it's the
angels that came and tried to pregnate the human race. Because God is a
god of I would just say organization. Throughout the Bible, he says,
you've got to come of your kind. So why would he make another entity
that could impregnate his human race if they happened to, let's say, fall
and create another being. I know in the Book of Enoch that goes on
to explain it rather well, but it's I don't think it's the proper explanation.
And I just feel that at least that's what I'm meaning to it.
Right now. I shouldn't say it's a it's a conviction at this time,
but when I started to read it and read it as it is stated,
it is just that. And once you're a fallen angel, you're no longer
considered a son of God. Even when they talk about like when all the
fall, when all the angels were in having would you say a meeting with
God, Satan happened to walk by, They didn't say Satan the son of
God. They said, and Satan came by, and God asked him,
where'd you come from? And he says, from the earth, going to
and fro. And it's just that, once you are fallen, you are
no longer a son of God. So therefore when it says the son of
God went into the daughters of men, they're talking just that. And in
the New Testament they actually explain anybody that's the son of God is anybody that
is led by the spirit. So if you're led by the spirit of God,
you you could say our God's son. Therefore you're a son of God.
But I think they're strictly humans. They just to be large humans.
Gotcha, well, said, let's get to now that you you you said
it took you about a week to realize that her, for lack of better
words, to become a flat earth. How did it change your life?
Oh? That was that changed everything? Because you know when they lie about
that, anything's on the table, anything and everything's on the table. R
I always from the moment Kennedy was assassinated, I was about in seventh grade
when it happened, or eighth grade, I can't remember. But anyways,
we always knew it wasn't Oswald. I mean even as a young kid and
as you got into college or I have different friends that went through different places.
In fact, when college, professor I think at Steven's point really amassed
a lot of information on that and would explain it or say it to different
students there, and my friend would share it with me. So we always
believe. But you always thought that it was just a few bad apples,
maybe some rogue CIA agent or stuff like that. But when you realize that
everything they do, when you find out about like NASA and how they started
that and how they continue it and what it's doing, and I know many
times people said that particular lie has to be the lie of lies, because
not only are they doing it every day, they're spending the money on it
every day. They're still force feeding it to us. And they just pick
up their pictures they're so called CGI pictures and everything. They just add to
it the more we get closer to them. So yes, it's a it
changes. You're outlooking the way. First of all, I've been coming closer
to God as I was reading the Bible. Just just allowed me to look
up. You could say thee hundred and twenty verses that are in the Bible
that very much speak of the flat Earth. I can say it with how
would you say confidence? As I speak about it, sometimes I can express
myself. And sometimes someone will walk away at least scratching their head and saying,
yeah, he's not as not as far fetched as it seems, and
they might go and check it out. And sometimes I know there's people rolling
their eyes. I had a comment back from a friend I met. My
sister has a friend who just got married, and I was talking to him.
He's a Bible believing individual and our conversation, after a long Bible discussion
through me, has come to the fat flat earth and or our stationary realm,
as some said, and he I got feedback from my sister. She
goes, you know, he sounds like an intelligent individual. But I'll tell
you when he brought up the flat earth, it just threw everything else out
of the Yeah you hear that. Oh I got that all the time on
my other podcast, whenever I brought it up. You sound like a smart
guy, but you mentioned flat earth and I was done. Anyways, the
truth is going to come out. We are all at different how would you
say, levels of our education where we are with truth? Yeah, different
paths in our journey to the truth, yes, sir. Right. In
fact, I don't know if you know, but they say things. Everything
is said differently, like I don't know if you know. There's a movement
says like when you say do you understand, that's really saying you are standing
under me? So you know, stuff like that, or even warfare,
is that fair war? Meaning that the devil has to declare everything he's going
to do, and he does that through Hollywood, and God actually declares everything
he's going to do, and he did that through his prophets. In fact,
that's why I'm on a realm of There's a woman by the name of
Ellen white, and I think if you read her writings, you would come
to the conclusion she's a prophet also if you read about her from other people.
Just like the prophets of old, they hated the prophets. They killed
the prophets. I mean, the little parabol about God with the guy with
the vineyard. He sends first his servants, but then he sends his son
and they kill his son. Well, those were supposed to be all prophets
that were sent beforehand, and they just always didn't listen to him kill them
and so on. But the Bible itself speaks of prophets. And I don't
know if I can get this all right. When Enoch was born, that's
when he had a son named Methuselah. And Methuselah's name means when he dies,
it will come. And that was speaking of the flood. Methuselah passed
away and the flood came. But before the flood came, you have,
let's say, a prophet talking about the flood, and then you have Noah
declaring the flood is eminent, and you have that throughout the Bible. You
have Abraham talking about his people are going to go into exile. Then you
have a prophet when it happens, saying this is it, this is why
we were in exile. In the form of day Daniel also gives a profit
of a seventy week profit and a twenty three hundred day profit, of which
I could touch on also if you want to. But the seventy week profit
was when Christ was going to be on this earth. While the prophet declares
it there, also he has to be a prophet to bring it in,
and that was John the Baptist. So John the Baptist brings in that particular
profit and tells you this is the Son of God and so on. But
the twenty three hundred year prophecy, now that prophecy didn't come until about eighteen
forty four. Now I can explain to you where that is in the Bible
and how that was so mishandled. But you have to have a profit issuing
in that declaration, which was Ellen White at that time in eighteen forty four,
she was about a seventeen year old girl that started to have visions.
But her writings are just phenomenal and fabulous. But that eighteen forty four mission,
I will go on to say, is I think it's not a guy.
Put my mind. I think he's Revelations ten nine. I should be
looking at myself. Now you're talking about the Miller and William Miller, right
right. But the reason I wanted to bring that up was that go to
I'm going to quick grad to go there. Let's see Revelation ten nine.
Okay, and see, First of all, you got to understand what they
knew and what they thought they knew. Back then, most Bible scholars believed
the Sanctuary was the earth. When it said the sanctuary would be cleansed,
they thought that meant the second coming of Christ. But here in verse ten
nine, it says, and I went unto the angel and said, unto
him, give me the little book. Now I feel they're talking about the
same little book in Daniel that he had to close up, and the closed
it up for twenty three hundred years. He says, take it and eat
it up. Eat it up, and it shall be in thy belly bitter,
but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. So when he
started having this, let's say, Revelation, and he thought the sanctuary was
the earth, it was like honey in his mouth. I mean, people
were coming to the Lord. People were going to those conferences whatever, or
those gatherings and just eating it up and coming to the Lord thinking, Wow,
this is going to happen. When it didn't happen, that's what came
bitter to the stomach. And when they were like, what did we do
wrong? How were we so wrong? God? We thought you gave us
this message? And then they realized that it wasn't the sanctuary on earth.
Christ was going to the sanctuary in Heaven and beginning and beginning the judgment basis.
So I'm saying that that particular stands or verse and revelation that is ten
nine, that is the year eighteen forty four where they were studying. It
tasted like hunting their mouth. They thought they had truth. Everything is working
out perfect, everybody was coming to the Lord. When they actually swallowed it
and realized Christ's income, it was like, what did we do wrong?
But the true Bible believers and knowing that God would not leave them, let's
say, without hope or without truth, they started questioning, what did we
do wrong? We're studying your word, We're taking this out of the Book
of Daniel, we're reading the prophecy as it reads the twenty three end of
Year prophecy, and none of it's right. And then they realized that there's
a sanctuary in heaven, and the cleansing of the sanctuary was not the sanctuary
on earth. It was the sanctuary in heaven. Jesus Christ went from the
Holy to the Holy of Holies and is now in front of the Father on
our behalf, and judgment is actually taking place, and I try, I
think we're not long for this earth. It is all being judged right now.
So when they come, they will know who is theirs and who's not,
who's sealed and who's not. There still trials to be had, because
Satan knows his time is short. And it's interesting stuff. Again, it's
another study. It's it's a study that I wasn't there at the time.
I'm interpreting some things, like I honestly believe the beginning of the Seventh Day
adventice movement, and I know Dean explained that to you was was supposed to
be a movement. They wanted to stay so far from religion, and the
more I'm finding about the churches. In fact, I don't know if you
know it because of my beliefs, and that I came to the Father and
Son message. I was asked not to, let's say, speak anymore at
the Seven day Adventist Church, of which I did, but not so much
to speak was I was asked to leave the Seventh day adventished. But with
that this fellowship I came across versus like, if you go to verse here,
I'll read you. Here's a good one, John sixteen three, which
this hit me right after or right before when we were study it. It
says, I'll just read from two from one on. I think it goes
down to it says, these things that I have spoken unto you, that
you should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues.
I'm gonna you could say, church, yea, the time cometh that whoever
killeth you will think that he doeth God's service. And it goes on to
say, and these things they do unto you because they have not known the
Father nor me that Jesus Christ speaking. So a lot of people that are
going to put you down, it's only because they do not have the true
message of the Father and Son. And when you read this and you know
you actually went through it, it's like God, thank you, thank you
for allowing me to be one of your let's say, nd time people spreading
your word, sharing your word, trying to share truth. I'm doing a
lot of these studies. In fact, it was funny because you met my
daughter already by her podcast. But what was funny there was we had this
father and son message and she's newly married. Well now it's about seven years.
But anyways, when she was newly married her husband, we were coming
into this message of the father and son. And he also is an adventist
and his family lives in Tennessee, and they think he married into an occult
now because everything the old man says in the house is becoming truth, you
know, and that's me anyways, my daughter, so they think, you
know, they got trying to get their son out of this commune here,
which we call an intentional community. But anyway, the point I was getting
at was they are very how would you say, strong minded people. They
study it on their own. There's no convincing in our household at all.
If you come up with a concept or something you studied or something you're questioning,
you you can bring it out to buddy. Everybody studies it. Everybody
comes back with their own conclusions and we see how and what bears out.
But anyways, one time they were driving away and I think that's what I
came running out of the house. They said, yeah, And as they're
driving away they get this from their dad. I said, Oh, not
only is the father and son message, I said, but the earth we
live on is flat. And now they're driving away and I know they rolled
their eyes out. Is this guy losing it? You know? And so
they came back home. They studied it out, and they watched maybe some
of the same DVDs, read some of the same things, and they are
of the same elk. No, that's good, especially when people they figure
it out on their own. And that's why I'm of the mantra where I'd
like to leave bread crumbs and I've learned. I've mentioned it at nauseam,
you know, being excited when I first found it, and I wanted to
share the great news with everybody that we've been lied to, and it's it's
not an easy pill for people to swallow because of all the psychology. The
matrix, like I've said before, is is cleverly created from having globes and
everything you watch and TV and the movies, and in your every classroom in
school, to the little jokes like you said, Obama, those silly flat
earth society people. This is one of the most carefully crafted deceptions in the
history of the world. And the question we get all the time is why
would people go to such great lengths to do this great deception? And it's
not about money, because with our Federal Reserve, they just print more of
it if they want it. It's about deception. It's about Satan hiding God's
creation because flatterth to me, it brought me closer to God. I get
emails all the time saying the same with others, and they learned. People
learned to read the Bible in a whole different way. And I'm sure that
resonates with you as well, oh very much well. In fact, when
you say that, not only did Satan use that deception of God's creation,
but he his deception is of God itself. That's actually how I almost say
I was a very strong you suld say, up until the age of eighteen,
I don't think I ever missed a Sunday church service or a service of
let's say, Mass, and so on. As I got older, I
was growing away from it because I couldn't understand how a loving God, a
forgiving God, could let's say, put someone on this earth for approximately sixteen
years, and let's say he became a gang member or something just something that
just caused trouble, didn't live in let's say graces of God. Let's say
the young kid pass away and he burns for eternity. I feel there's nothing
loving, gracious, just about a God like that that would do that.
Well. When I came into that study, you could say of hell,
and hell does not burn forever. The effects of hell are forever, meaning
yes, there's some people that are going to be in hell for the second
death, but they will be burnt up. Throughout the Bible says there will
be ashes under our feet, there will be no longer. And John three
sixteen even says in seventeen where it says, and you have everlasting life if
you believe in Jesus Christ. If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you
don't have everlasting life. If you don't have everlasting life, how can you
ever last burn a lifetime in hell? Throughout the Bible, they use words
like forever burning or forever. It just means that fire will not be extinguished
until the effects of it are over, because how can anybody living in the
earth made new where no tear will fall or anything like that, knowing that
they might have had a loved one that's burning someplace and screaming and that.
So there's different studies that are out there that again I wrote up out and
that really explained what hell so saying really distorted what God and who God is.
And that's why when Christ came to this earth he said everything I say.
He said, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father,
and you have seen the Father through me, and the Father and I
are one and the Father Jesus Christ is the only being you could say that
was given everlasting life because he's the literal begotten son of God. And you
can read that in Proverbs I think twenty eight, I guess verse twenty two
on. So anyways, there's there's many studies out there that when you actually
try to get to know God of the Bible from your own vantage point and
your own viewpoint as opposed to what you've been told, there is one God
and that one God had a son and sent his son on behalf of all
of us for our salvation. And the Son was the Word, and that's
how creation was. You could say, that's why he say everything was created
by the Father through the Son. The Son was the Word. How that
is or how that becomes about, I don't know. But the Word became
flesh and dwelt among us. And so everything was created through Christ or Christ
by the Father. And that's the that's the God that's written about in the
Bible. And that's the God I discovered, and the God I grew closer
to and am growing closer to because of all the messages out there. The
flat earst message, as you say, just brought you closer. It was
like everything you send the Bible, now I can stand on that. Also,
I can say the sun stood still. I can say there's four corners
of the Earth. I can say where it says the earth is, the
foundations of the earth don't move. You know, you can say stuff like
that and mean it and show it and understand it and along with science,
explain it sane, well said, and you know it's funny. Two things
I wanted to mention. You could ask ten people to read a verse or
a chapter of the Bible and then come back and ask them what it meant
to them, and you could get ten different answers. That is very true.
But that's why it says I hear a little there, a little,
a little, you know. That's right. There's a verse I don't remember,
but when you do, when you put it all together, that's the
same thing about hell. When you when I declare that Hell doesn't burn forever,
there's about I'm going to say seven verses that state that your salvation is
eternal. Yea, that doesn't mean you're being getting salvation every date. All
that type of stuff. They used the same words, we use the same
vernacular. I stood in line all day at this store. That doesn't mean
you're you know, or I stood in line forever you know, and you're
still standing in line. That's the vernacular of the kind. But yeah,
there's h I would say. When I started praying for discernment with the Bible
and ask God for not only his forgiveness but to enlighten me, there's things
that opened up that just when you say organized religions, it's harder to get
with any one of them, because they all have they based their how would
you say denomination their beliefs, and if their beliefs are against any one of
these, you're kind of shunned. There's a lot of these Bible churches that
are out there, non denominational, which I like. They claim they like
Bible study, but I guess when I show up with my Bible, the
claim runs out the door. You know what I've learned if your thoughts interfere
with Here's something we don't talk about enough is traditions within the church. That's
when they don't want to have it and specifically, and I have this is
one of my eight questions to follow up with. But I might as well
ask you now, like with Easter and Christmas, actually say, it's funny
you brought that up. You know, for an order for Sunday to work
for a worship day or Saturday to work for a sabbathday, Christ always has
to die on a Friday. Now, I want you to think about this.
You have a birthday, it falls on a different day of the year
every year. How can Christ's death always fall on Friday? And the only
way it can is because they had to have an Easter season. If they
would have gone by the New moon and let's say Passover day when Christ was
killed. On the Gogorian calendar, it would change, but it wouldn't change
on God's calendar. In fact, God made statements like on the tenth of
a bebe, which let's say it was the first month, you are to
buy your lamb for the sacrifice, which would be on the fourteenth, which
is the Passover evening. If you would have said you buy your lamb days
before the passover, that would have been different, because then, no matter
when the passover falls, if it happens to always fall on a Friday,
you could buy your lamb four days before then that's not a sin. But
if God told the people to buy their lamb on the tenth of a Babe,
that means some time around on the Gregorian calendar, the tenth of a
Babe is going to fall on a Sabbath. Therefore, God is turning you
into a center by telling you to buy your lamb on a sabbath. So
that speaks to just what I was saying before. How the moon, how
tight God's time peace was the new moon and then four weeks to follow.
You have to have an Eastern season for that to work. But even Christmas
changes every day of the year because they give it the birth of Christ,
and people would catch on to that faster. But the Sabbath does not work.
Saturday Sabbath does not work, and Sunday worship does not work because Christ
can't always die on Friday. He died on the passover of a certain and
on the Gregorian calendar, that should change. Just like someone's birthday change your
death, they would change also. So it's funny that you brought it up
in that aspect of it, because everybody should be able to grasp this.
That then we're on the Gegorian calendar is because the Devil and Daniel seven twenty
five. I think it is said the anti Christ would think to change times
and laws, and that is just what the Church did. They changed the
Ten Commandments. If you read the churches Ten Commandments, they took out remember
to keep holding the lords there or something like that, and they put in
they split up the tenth commandment, all should not cover thy neighbor's goods,
and deal should not covert thy neighbor's wife. The Ten Commandments of the Catholic
religion is different than what you read the Ten Commandments in the Bible. So
it's just just an interesting, interesting concept that Easter has to have a season
in order for the Sabbath Saturday and worship Sunday to work out where if you
go by a large calendar, he died on Passover, he was in the
tomb the next day, which would have been preparation day or no, he
was in the two on the Sabbath, So he died on the Passover that
was sixth day to a week. He was in the two on the Sabbath
the seventh day to a week, and he rose on the first day to
a week. But that's different than every seven day gay count. Did that
make sense to you? One hundred percent? It made sense to me.
And that leads me into my next question, which is we spoke about kent
Hovan already. I want to talk about a little bit about ken Ham,
who's been on the radar a little bit lately, especially in our neck of
the woods with flat Earth. Here's a guy who has debated Bill and I,
the science guy on creationism. Now he does stand against evolution and the
big bank theory. However, this is the guy, by the way,
that created the arc encounter in Kentucky. Our friend of the show. Josh
from Foundered Earth Brothers went down there to visit and kind of talk to him
about flat Earth, and they were actually that day he shout out, they
were having a supposium about how flat Earth is definitely not part of the deal.
So this guy is all about creationism as the Bible says, but not
a flat Earther. And moreover, they're very They didn't even let them talk.
They didn't treat him very well. So that goes back to if we're
going to push creationism how it's written, why can't some people like ken Ham
see the bigger picture. All I can say is, I mean ken Ham
just like he's probably more known than we are, but just like anybody else,
he's in his walk with the Lord. He's where God has him or
wants him, or just of certain aspects of his life, he's there.
I guess all I can say we have to pray for him that guy would
open up his mind and heart. And I think that was my prayer earlier
before this, that anybody either listens to this, that to our conversation we
bring people closer to the Lord, and that through that they will find truth
as we have found truth and I'm sure there's more truth for us to find,
and all he can do is probably put ken him on my prayer list
of one of the truth seekers. Yeah, and the reason I brought that
up was because, I mean, the whole big thing that everybody goes down
there for is for the arc exhibit. And the Bible's very clear about how
he flooded the earth. It didn't there wasn't some clouds that rolled in and
it just started raining everywhere. He literally opened the windows of the firmament.
Right now, I think it's difficult when you hear someone I'll give you an
example. Some of these people that I met from Australia matter Monsure. I
mean, I gotta tell you, so gifted when it comes to his studies
that God has given him, still doesn't believe in the flatter that makes fun
of me when I talk about it. I mean we have a joking relationship
about it, sure, and I think he's gonna come around it and that.
But I mean, these are people that are just so well educated,
so impressive with their Bible knowledge, and yet don't see it. Do you
think some of it goes back to just the psychology of how much effort the
people who basically work under Satan, if you want to call him that,
the controllers, how much effort they put into the flat earth to make it
what it is today, the stigma that it is to so many people very
much. So agreed. What other questions did I have other than I think
you touched on it? The sun su when and the sun to s when,
the mockery with that heliocentrism, how the sun and helos centrism is the
center of the world, where we believe the son Jesus Christ is the center
of our world. I think there's a lot of mockery that goes into heliocentrism
very much. So, was there anything that you had to touch on that
we haven't talked about yet? Well, there's probably a lot of things to
touch on, but I thank you for the time. I just pray that
art moment in time has brought people closer to the truth. And I just
hope that people like ken Ham will come around. I do too, and
they have a very big stage, you know, much bigger than you and
I and so many other people in the truth community, and hopefully they will
because our goal is to get there's a we homeschool and sod to a lot
of other people and you know that listen to the podcast, and we're hoping
that we can get someone to have have a homeschool online type of course that
it incorporates creationism and genesis how it is written, and even some of the
better ones that have great math and all these other things that they push ialeocentrism
and NASA and all these other things which really leaves a bad taste in our
mouth. So we're hoping that the people who I don't believe he's been he's
by I want to make it clear. I don't think he's being nefarious about
it, right. I just think that and we were all at that point
of our life where we would hear the words flat earth and just kind of
like, oh, okay, we're going to fall off the edge of the
earth. Right, So we can only hope and pray that some of these
people who do have a much bigger voice than we do come around and spread
the word. Amen to that, and I will leave you with the stage
for any final thoughts are well. I yes, again, it's basically a
prayer God open softens the minds and hearts of all his people out there,
that we all can come to the Truth and just work for as his end
time people, because we do know the time is short. Amen to that.
And it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the podcast tonight, and
I'm sure you'll get a lot of people reaching out to you with many many
questions and continued success with your website, Family for Truth dot WordPress dot com.
And all those links, including Bud's email address, will be in the
show description. Make sure you check them all out. But thank you again
for your time. I greatly appreciate it, and thank you to all the
listeners who have reached out and said such kind things. We continue to build
our little community here and bring people on and kind of share the knowledge,
right And that's the great thing. We all pull something from each other,
and I think that's what makes this really a great experience. So half of
Bud and myself, I want to thank everyone, and God bless you all.
And until the next time we meet, my friends, we will see you