WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:48.039 The following presentation isn't all Margaret Studios Production. Welcome back to with seekers from 2 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:53.079 around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. 3 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:57.920 I hope this podcast finds everyone well. I hope everyone had a great weekend 4 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.600 and you have a great week. We have a great guest who will be 5 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.560 joining us in just a moment, Bud from Wisconsin. Before we bring him 6 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.239 on, just a reminder, please do stop by the website, the flat 7 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:12.040 earth files dot com. Again, that's the flat earth Files dot com. 8 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:17.359 Check out the twenty four seven streaming radio. Check out the chat room. 9 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:21.359 Say hello. 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If you'd like to 19 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.920 check it out in her website, please help me. Welcome Bud, Bud. 20 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:07.840 How are you doing a night, sir? Fantastic? It's it's nice 21 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:09.680 to meet you. And how did you find I'd like to ask you first, 22 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:17.319 how did you find the podcast? I guess it was just looking at 23 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:23.879 different podcasts at the time. I knew and understand about the flat Earth since 24 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:30.639 about twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen. While in there, started studying it out, 25 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:35.280 and then every so often I just look up new people with different podcasts in 26 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.919 yours that the flat Earth Files hit me. I listened to it and was 27 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.879 hooked right away. That's outstanding. So you've been in the flat earth community 28 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.120 for for almost ten years now, that's that's great stuff. Go ahead and 29 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.319 kind of introduce yourself to the listeners a little bit about yourself, sir. 30 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.560 First of all, when you say community, I do share it. I'm 31 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:59.439 not afraid to share it the flat Earth. But I am not in any 32 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:05.360 community, any conventions or anything like that. But anyways, my name is 33 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:09.520 Bud. I'm working on my chipping away at seventy two years on this earth. 34 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:19.000 I've grew up with six Sibley siblings. My brother John uses the joke 35 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.319 from my guess Rodney Dangerfield that we were so poor that we had to eat 36 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.840 our breakfast cereal with a fork so the next person could have some milk. 37 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:34.120 And we just grew up in a home actually that was very loving and a 38 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.560 lot of laughter. I was raised Catholic, but my journey actually starts around 39 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.599 the age of thirty six that I will be talking about. That's when I 40 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.120 met the love of my life, which is Judy. She came with a 41 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:51.159 nine year old son from a previous marriage, and so I started with a 42 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.360 family right away. After about a year of marriage, we had a daughter, 43 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:01.039 and my prayer then was I did not want to force my religion nor 44 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.840 my wife's religion on our daughter. My prayer was that we discover God, 45 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:13.080 or that she would discover God on her own. So with that being said, 46 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.720 I started reading the Bible also at her very early age, and what 47 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:23.040 I started to learn from the Bible actually took me away from the Catholic Church. 48 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:29.399 So yes, that's my little saga or the introduction of my life. 49 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:34.720 Prior to really studying and asking to learn truth. Now, had you always 50 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:40.639 been kind of a critical thinker. There's there's a lot of folks who will 51 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.399 take you know, if there's a guy in a lab coat, or if 52 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.279 there's a teacher that's saying something, they'll take it for wholesale. Or growing 53 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:50.879 up through school and through life, were you always the one that had to 54 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:58.399 kind of research things for yourself to get a definitive answer. I think I 55 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:02.519 would be the latter. I've always investigated things. I did have a quest 56 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.759 for knowledge. I would say not so much at that age because my grades 57 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:14.000 didn't really show it, but I was. I was above average in class. 58 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.560 I was the instigator of a lot of things in our family. I 59 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:26.360 would say that I've always questioned authority and questioned different things we were told or 60 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:30.639 what to do. Now I was going to say this, Oh okay, 61 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.319 No, you go ahead, sir, We're gonna say okay. This whole 62 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.560 saga was initiated, as I said, by the birth of my daughter. 63 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:42.600 I decided that I wanted to her to come to the truth. So as 64 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.959 I was raised Catholic, my wife my wife was raised seven day Adventis. 65 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:55.839 We both practiced our faith and in doctrine and in action. However, when 66 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:00.759 my daughter was born in nineteen eighty nine, rather than dictating herbill, I 67 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.839 prayed and asked God for guidance that he would guide all of us to his 68 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:09.040 truth. The more I prayed for my daughter, the more my family was 69 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:15.240 exposed to biblical truth. The more I discovered. I also noticed on important 70 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.240 things were being set aside, and little tangible blessings came to the forefront. 71 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.680 For example, you asked me earlier if I was a Packer fan back in 72 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:28.040 nineteen ninety six. I I'm pretty sure it was when the Packers were well 73 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:31.720 on their way to the Super Bowl. I happened to be watching my daughter 74 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.800 while watching the game, and I noticed that she was just passing time, 75 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:41.439 waiting for the game to be over for me to interact with her. And 76 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.560 I thought, there's something going on here that's just not right, So I 77 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.720 actually turned off the TV. I never watched the finish of that particular game. 78 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.639 And as they said, they were well on their way to the Super 79 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:55.240 Bowl, and I went out, picked up some lumber and decided to build 80 00:06:55.279 --> 00:07:00.800 a playhouse for my daughter. The playhouse took a few would say weeks to 81 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.079 build. So every time I had the inkling of either either watching a football 82 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:09.560 game or anything that took my time away from the family, I decided I'd 83 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:13.839 rather go and work on that playhouse. So we had a lot of fun 84 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.360 years in that playhouse. That playhouse went from a little place, a little 85 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:20.360 two story house in front of our farm at the time, you know, 86 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:26.120 Creek, Wisconsin. Who I put it on telephone poles with a little fence 87 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:30.360 around it because we were blessed with a little farm at so we had horses, 88 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.040 chickens, pigs, goats. When I say pig, just one pot 89 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:39.839 belly pig that our son had as a pet. And we just lived our 90 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:46.120 life on this little farm. And I guess that particular, how would you 91 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.040 say it says if you come nigh to Christ, he will come nigh to 92 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:53.560 you. Well, that showed well in that particularly. I don't think I 93 00:07:53.639 --> 00:08:00.480 watched since nineteen ninety six a full football game since. Wow, that is 94 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.360 something, and especially as we get older. I don't want to speak for 95 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.519 anyone else, but I just mentioned this earlier today to someone else. You 96 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.079 know, the two resources that we never have enough of is money and time. 97 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:16.000 But as you get older, you more worry about time than money. 98 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.959 It's it's it's incredible how fast the days go. As you get older and 99 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.800 you want to leave, you want to do your best, at least I 100 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.240 do. I always say I want to leave the world in better shape than 101 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.080 than how I found it. And that was the monstra we used in the 102 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.960 military. Whenever we fell on an outpost in Iraq, we always tried to 103 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:41.200 make it better, so when whoever was relieving us would have a better place 104 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.039 than what we found it. And I think we should all take that and 105 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.320 do with it with the world as well. We live in a world where 106 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:54.840 governments claim that they own the land and we are simply renting it from them, 107 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.600 and that's one of the real reasons why we can't even get to the 108 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.960 bottom of things like Antarctica with the Antarctic Treaty and things like that. So 109 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.559 by getting back to what I was mentioning, that the factor of time, 110 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:09.720 and you're right, you know, sitting there, you're watching a football game, 111 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.799 and that's three hours of your life, and in some cases that's the 112 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.600 entire afternoon and before you know it, it's it's gone. And you know 113 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.000 as well as I how fast the children grow up, right, Amen to 114 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.000 that. In fact, I say how relative time is. When you're sixteen 115 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.279 years old, you have to understand that a year is just one sixteenth of 116 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.960 your life, which is quite a bit. Yep. When you're seventy years 117 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.519 old, the year becomes one seventieth of your life, and it goes fast, 118 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.279 It really goes fast. I also want to mention when I said my 119 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.960 wife brought a son into the picture. My son, who's an outgrown has 120 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.799 given us thirteen grandchildren, six grandchildren, and my daughter has given me two 121 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.480 grandchildren. So I have a total of eight grandchildren, which are just as 122 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.720 precious as anything at this age as I can imagine. Oh, that's in 123 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.120 I don't. Well, we have eight now, and we just found out 124 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:05.919 about two months ago we got one more on the way that's due in January. 125 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.360 So what have nine come the turn of the calendar. That's beautiful? 126 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.519 Are what are their ages? From what to what? Well, from it'll 127 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:20.679 be newborn and my oldest, Noel, she is twelve. Oh that's quite 128 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.879 a bit and that limited time. Yep. Absolutely well. To go on 129 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:30.000 a little bit with my understanding or learning about God, one of the first 130 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:35.679 people I came across and I actually interacted with him through conversations on the phone 131 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:37.159 and stuff like that. Was a gentleman by the name of Kent Hogan. 132 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:43.440 Oh sure, he had a creation seminar that As a Catholic, you always 133 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:48.159 believed that you could believe in let's say, creation and evolution at the same 134 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.720 time. And Kent seemed to bring it to mind that no, that can't 135 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.360 be and it's either one or the other, and you better get to know 136 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:03.799 the God of creation. So I think I spent time learning more about creation 137 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:09.279 and I started studying all the different aspects of creation, went more to the 138 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:15.360 Bible. This is where I started incorporating fasting and prayer. I guess with 139 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:20.759 my reading because I just realized that it was the way to go and I 140 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.360 seemed to be getting answers. I'm going to say around two thousand and four 141 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:33.600 I actually had a night long of prayer. All I can say was I 142 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:39.200 started to ask God. I read the Bible and I asked him a couple 143 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.720 of times. It just really didn't do anything for me other than become a 144 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.159 good historical book. I didn't get all the other aspects or the little nuances 145 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.360 that one can get out of the Bible when you really read it in a 146 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:56.600 prayerful manner. So as I was saying my prayer, it was I guess 147 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.600 in a way, I say a little my little voice in my mind. 148 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.159 I don't think God actually, well, he might speak to some people, 149 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.360 but in my situation, I found that it's just a thought that seems to 150 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.399 come ahead of everything else, or that something you know you wouldn't have thought 151 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:18.399 of on your own, but it seems to permeate your mind. So anyways, 152 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:22.200 through that particular prayer it said you have to ask for forgiveness. And 153 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:28.000 as I said, raised Catholic and being in confessional most of my childhood, 154 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:35.919 I got on my knees and spent the whole night remembering all my sins are 155 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.799 dastardly deeds of yesteryear. And actually, when I got up off my knees 156 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.279 the next morning, I felt physically lighter. It was just something I've never 157 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.519 experienced before. I asked God, if that's what forgiveness feels like. It 158 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:58.679 was just an emotional, euphoric feeling that I really was forgiven. And that 159 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:03.000 very next day in the morning, a letter came in the mail, and 160 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.840 it was from a gentleman. His name was Bill Barrett. He since passed 161 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.600 away, he did become a friend of the family, and I was told 162 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:18.120 he used to study the Bible twenty five years prior with my wife. And 163 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:26.200 he just sent out a letter saying he's been really finding little pearls of wisdom 164 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.679 throughout the Bible, and he found it not a new way of studying. 165 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.759 I guess a lot of people have studied this way. There was a gentleman 166 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.080 by the name of William Miller who was in the eighteen forty four movement that 167 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.679 we might touch on also later, But anyways, he brought the mind. 168 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.639 He says, if you want to learn how to study, or if you 169 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.360 want to discuss studying the Bible, feel free to give me a call. 170 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.600 So I immediately got on the phone because I actually told him what just happened 171 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.480 to me the night before. I said, I got to tell you. 172 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.720 I just was on my knees asking God how I could understand the Bible better, 173 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.480 and I told him he asked they I went to an all night long 174 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:09.480 prayer and then this letter came through, and he's the first one that explained 175 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:11.440 to me. He says, you know, God knew when you were going 176 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.000 to be ready for truth. He knew when I would be ready to share. 177 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.559 He said, this is no coincidence. He said, that's all prayer 178 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.960 work. God knows well in advance when things like this is going to happen. 179 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.960 And for instance, I like to bring up, if I could, 180 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.240 one of the things he taught of how to study the Bible was true the 181 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.879 different let's say, stories of the Bible or the Let's see, what would 182 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.559 you say, like, I'll give you an example of the parable of the 183 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:46.440 woman with ten pieces of silver. I think that's in Luke fifteen, verse 184 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:50.279 eight, where it says, and this is what you do to how the 185 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.799 study the Bible. You look up all the nouns, let's say, in 186 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:58.600 a particular passage, and you bring it to the Bible, and you discern 187 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:03.519 it by using the Bible how the Bible used it prior and in different situations 188 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.240 in the Bible. For instance, that parabolo a woman that has ten pieces 189 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:11.279 of silver, she loses one piece of silver. She lights a lantern, 190 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:16.120 she sweeps the floor, she finds the lost piece of silver, and when 191 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:24.000 she finds it, she tells her friends and neighbored. Ye well, anyways, 192 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:26.080 I'm going to work backwards with that so you get the full impact down 193 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:31.039 that when she swept the floor, you got to find out, you know, 194 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.559 she was removing dust. And of the dust, who is made of 195 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.360 dust? In the Bible it is man. So you could say she was 196 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.600 getting man out of the way, or man's interpretation of a particular thing out 197 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.799 of the way. When you light a lantern in the Bible, you're usually 198 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.799 praying or asking for truth. Throughout the Bible, there's many passages say the 199 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.039 light is the light of truth and so on. I mean, I can 200 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.159 I have I've written about this in a study, and I give a lot 201 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:00.519 of passages in the Bible where you can find things. Then well, then 202 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:06.320 she lost a piece of silver, one of her coins or silver coins. 203 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.480 And it says in the Psalm's twelve six, God says, my words are 204 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:14.279 like pieces of silver. And the fact that she gave ten of them, 205 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.200 she had ten pieces of silver, what did God give us ten of you 206 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.840 could say in his word? And I would venture to say that was the 207 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:26.799 ten commandments? And a woman in let's say God's Church or God's people, 208 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:32.080 represents just that. A woman. He says, my people are like a 209 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:37.159 comely bride. My people are like a chase virgin his people, or a 210 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:44.360 woman represents his people. So to paraphrase that particular let's say parable by using 211 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:51.360 the Bible as it's way of explaining it. That says God people or God's 212 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:55.879 church has lost one of his commandments. They are going to pray for enlightenment. 213 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.960 They're gonna sweeping at man's interpretation out of the way, and when they 214 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.279 find that lost commandment, they will share it and rejoice with their neighbors. 215 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.400 But the only commandment that was lost was the Sabbath. There was the Sabbath 216 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.920 commandment. We all know that there's many Christians that keep the Sunday commandment, 217 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:17.759 and I as a seven daid venice, used to keep the Saturday Sabbath. 218 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.160 But in our studies and what we have learned, and this will come in 219 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.559 much later. Also, this is one of my prayers. We have discovered 220 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:30.440 the lunar solar Sabbath which works with the luninaries of the sky luminaries and it's 221 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.519 the first half moon, the full moon, the waning half moon, and 222 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:40.279 the no moon are your sabbath after new moon day. And my prayer was 223 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:44.960 that it was the same Sabbath that Christ kept. So anyways, that was 224 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.759 one of my prayers and one of them that was answered through the Bill Barrett 225 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.640 type of way of studying the Bible. And you can do this with almost 226 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:56.519 any parable in the Bible. Those little pearls of wisdom are buried for all 227 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.279 of us to discern and to discover and to enjoy. And you just and 228 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:07.720 you're using the Bible as its own. I would you say explanation for that 229 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.759 particular parable or that particular study. And can I interject with one question before 230 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:18.079 we go forward? Do you think they manipulated the calendars to kind of interfere 231 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.599 with the lunar Sabbath instead of thirteen months twenty eight days they do what they 232 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.559 did now or do you think that's well, that's part of it. In 233 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.920 fact, in Daniel, I think it's even twenty five. It says that 234 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:37.640 the Antichrist will think to change times and laws, and when he changed times, 235 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.559 that's what he actually did by changing the calendar. Now, I don't 236 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:44.119 know if they had that particular you could say thing in mind. They were 237 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:48.319 also trying to achieve a three hundred and sixty five day year, but they 238 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:53.240 did completely wipe out God's calendar, and I wrote a piece on that too. 239 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.359 Also, I should do a little plug on ours. We have a 240 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:03.960 little place called Family for Truth WordPress dot com, and I have about I'm 241 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:08.559 going to say twenty to twenty five different studies that I have wrote that are 242 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.640 purely Biblity based. You can look up every verse that I used to come 243 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.839 to my conclusion, and I think it teaches quite a bit. In fact, 244 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:22.279 that's how I could say sort of walked away from the Catholic Church. 245 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:26.759 In fact, I have a little, I guess a cute little story on 246 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.279 that. Also, what ha happened was I came across the DVD. This 247 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:34.480 was early in my trying to learn about God. I was raised Catholic, 248 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:40.599 so the DVD was the anti Christ of the Bible. So I started to 249 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:45.160 watch it and I woke up the next morning sleeping in my chair, and 250 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.559 I didn't know who the anti Christ was. I thought, Wow, that's 251 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.400 strange. I usually don't fall asleep doing movies, especially if they're interesting or 252 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.519 these studies like that, and I just thought, are very strange that it 253 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.279 was kept for me. So I was working at the time. So the 254 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:03.839 next time, when I got off of work. I was going to put 255 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:08.440 the DVD back in, and I wanted to find out Whodi Anti Christ was, 256 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.200 or who was at least mentioned, And so I watched it again, 257 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:15.440 and loan, behold, I fell asleep in the chair. And if you 258 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.920 knew anything about me, I used to do twelve fourteen hours, maybe even 259 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:25.119 sixteen hours a day work. I always was in my own business, so 260 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:27.119 you know, coming home, and I mean, yes I could. I 261 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:32.599 was always good for one movie or one DVD or learning something. But both 262 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:36.640 nights in a row I fell asleep. So now I'm thinking the Devil's things 263 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.200 to me. There's just no way I'm falling asleep at that. So I 264 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.880 started it halfway through this time, and I watched it, and I discovered 265 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:51.200 that the Bible was saying that the anti Christ is not necessarily someone against God. 266 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:56.160 It's someone in the position of God, and it's in the position of 267 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.480 God on earth, and anti means in place of not so much against. 268 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.519 And then when you discover that it's more rather than a particular person, it's 269 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:08.720 more of a position. And I'll come out and say it. I mean 270 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.880 it came out and said it's the position of the pope. The pope is 271 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.119 doing everything that God said he could. Only God can forgive sins. The 272 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:25.200 pope is saying he bishops and cardinals and priests can forgive sins. Only God, 273 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:27.720 I mean, you can only pray to God. And actually the Catholics, 274 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.880 I don't know if they necessarily pray to the pope. T is God 275 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.480 on earth. And then all the other descriptions that happen to be that you 276 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:41.519 can read in through Daniel from let's say Daniel too, all the way through 277 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:47.799 Daniel eight and along with Revelation. The position of the pope just fits in 278 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:52.319 there so nicely. I mean, there's over ten aspects of that particular study 279 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.279 that you can come to the conclusion that it is the position of the pope 280 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.440 that is the anti Christ of the Bible. And as you said before about 281 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:06.400 the calendar, he thinks that change times and laws. That's right, That 282 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:12.000 was early study of mine. That's very interesting. Yeah, and somebody had 283 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:18.039 mentioned before in one of my podcasts that, uh, one of the symbols 284 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:23.240 of the pope, which I think is vicarious feely d d ei can also 285 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:27.759 translate into six six six it does, Okay, that is one of the 286 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.880 one of the things that the Bible does bring on. Yeah, and it's 287 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.160 interesting if if you look at Washington, DC and you look at all the 288 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:42.319 Roman architecture, uh, and even on our dollar bills, the throwbacks to 289 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:52.039 the Roman h the wording what what is it like? The Novus so clum, 290 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:59.359 all that stuff goes back to to the Roman Empire. Right, I 291 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:03.400 know what you're saying. I probably like us sometimes I don't remember all the 292 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.240 stuff with the annunciation of it. But yes, I've read about a lot 293 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:11.599 of stuff. In fact, I know you come across the DVD you must 294 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:17.119 have because I'm your fact hunter of Walter Fife. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 295 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.839 yeah, Okay, I've listened to everything he has probably put out in 296 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.359 not so much as modern stuff, but let's say of about six to eight 297 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:32.160 years ago and four and beyond that. He has a thing called the Total 298 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:38.039 Onslaught. It's twenty eight DVDs that just walked through the Bible unreal. In 299 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:45.200 fact, when I became an Adventice I was baptized into the Adventice Church. 300 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.519 I always want to call it a movement, but they used it since two 301 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.880 thousand and six. And I then at that time, with what I was 302 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.079 learning. I had Bible studies at the library. We had Bible studies at 303 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:02.720 our home that went from twenty to fifty people. Wow. We brought in 304 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:07.119 people from Australia that we would bring in a different that would bring in the 305 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.480 message of God. We brought in people from California, all of which I 306 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.519 will share links, or at least my daughter will. And really have come 307 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:21.039 across a lot of knowledge, and not so much new knowledge, but knowledge 308 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:26.720 refinding note is in our history that a lot of the churches actually believed and 309 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:33.359 so on. So very interesting stuff indeed, and I've got two Well, 310 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:34.880 first of all, I should say Latin was that big word I was trying 311 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:41.880 to think of. That's what happens when when the brain overheats. It's interesting 312 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:48.000 you mentioned Kent Hovin, because here's a guy. Say what you will about 313 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:52.920 him. He walked, the walked. He was a guy number one. 314 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:59.200 He didn't buy evolution and the Big Bang theory and these type of things. 315 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:03.680 But he also it was a guy who realized that the government was a big 316 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:06.400 problem. And I don't think he was a fan of taxes. And I 317 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:08.599 think they actually set him down the river for I don't know how long, 318 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.400 but you know, there's people who talk to talk, but he is someone 319 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:18.599 I don't know where he is today. I think he did hear an interview 320 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.480 or a couple of interviews with him since he's been out, But it really 321 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.680 wasn't He wasn't paying taxes. He had a lot of subcontractor's just like a 322 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.960 lot of businesses hold to set up his business that way by his accountant. 323 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.920 It's just that the government can do what they want to do him when they 324 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.799 say no, they're not subcontractors, they're employees. That they said he had 325 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.960 a lot of back taxes from employee taxes. Oh geez. That was sad. 326 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.160 And as you say, he did walk the walk. He was very 327 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:53.759 interesting. He educated myself at least on evolution and creation. But I know 328 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:59.599 that some people wrote him after when he did get out of his prisoner or 329 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:02.720 whatever, and they talked to him about the flat earth, and he was 330 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:07.960 a denier at the time, but that was a good I'm going to say 331 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.359 four or five years ago. So I don't know where she's at right now, 332 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.680 but there's a lot of people that were talking to him that really wanted 333 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:19.519 him to come on board with the so called flat Earth. Yeah, because 334 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.160 there are a lot of people and if correct me, if I'm wrong. 335 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.880 Ken Hooven was one of them who was a literal Bible person, like you 336 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:32.559 should take it literally, but like so many other people, maybe well you 337 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:33.920 know, maybe he just had a different take on the Book of Genesis. 338 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.039 But for me, if we're going to do all that literally, then I 339 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.799 go to not just Genesis one, but you can go to the Tower of 340 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.599 Babel and many other chapters with just within Genesis. If we're going to take 341 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:51.599 things literally that go against the evolution, big bang theory, heliocentrism, et 342 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:57.039 cetera. I agree in fact now that when I said I became an adventist 343 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:03.039 and I started studying more, I started asking more, I started sharing more. 344 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.440 But we talked earlier when he said, you draw an eye to God 345 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.720 and he will draw an eye to you. I think what's supposed to happen 346 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:15.000 is as you read the Bible more and become more into Bible truth, those 347 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.519 changes, like we talked about sports and different things we used to do, 348 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:23.480 they just fall by the wayside and you don't realize it until all of a 349 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.720 sudden, maybe you look back and say, you know, I'm not interested 350 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.119 in that anymore. I'm not doing that anymore. But I found out God 351 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.759 has a sense of humor if you ask for specific changes rather than let him 352 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:40.880 change you at his own. Let's say, will I used to be very 353 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.559 impatient, and I just I started praying for patience. I said, God, 354 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.559 I would like to see a miracle. I would like to see how 355 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:53.920 that really can be transformative. And so, anyways, a cute little story 356 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.720 I sometimes tell to family and friends is one day I was that we went 357 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:04.559 to my post office box to pick up our mail and there was a letter 358 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.039 in there saying you have a package for you. And at that particular time, 359 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.720 gas prices were high. And as I said, I'm not very patient. 360 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.519 And as I walked to the front, there are about seven people in 361 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.599 line, and that is a long line for me. So anyways, I 362 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.880 decided I was thinking about it. Should I go on other errands or come 363 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:23.559 back? And I says, ah, you're here. The price of the 364 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:30.119 gas are ridiculous. How this can't be that long. Anyways, seven of 365 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.480 the most neediest people that ever walked the face of the earth fire in front 366 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.119 of me. I mean, I tell you, I sat through explanation of 367 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.240 explanation of just stupid things. So finally I got my turn up to the 368 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:47.799 counter you could say what seemed to be an eternity to me, and then 369 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.079 the person takes my ticket, runs in the back room and was gone for 370 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:56.519 about another eight to ten minutes and then come back empty handed, and she 371 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.920 goes, I am sorry, this was put in the wrong box. And 372 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:04.359 I have to tell you, I mean, rage started in my feet and 373 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.480 just was working its way just I mean, I was just about to say 374 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.559 something and that little what I told you is seems like a thought that comes 375 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.880 to that should have never came at that time. Yeah, I said, 376 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.079 you prayed for patience. What are you? How are you going to handle 377 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.559 this? And I I thought, wow, he says, I thank the 378 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.079 person for going back and check in. I says, that's all right. 379 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.079 Things happen like that, you know, And I went out. But I 380 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:32.960 got to tell you. On my way to the car, my God and 381 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.640 myself had a conversation and that is no way to teach patience, and that 382 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.200 is no way. I said, that's actually very wrong. And I told 383 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:47.279 him, if you think that's funny, that is just I think the ultimate 384 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:52.480 way of I guess just keeping someone from blowing up like that. Anyways, 385 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.119 it was just a little episode in my life that I realized, I'm not 386 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.519 going to pray for the changes I want. I'm going to let God do 387 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.599 the change he sees fit me and when to do them, when and how 388 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.079 he wants to do them. Because it was, just, as I said, 389 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.319 a funny little episode that I don't know where those thoughts come from, 390 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:11.799 but it was just one of those things like how are you going to handle 391 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.319 this? So, yeah, that's a great story. And we all have 392 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.240 our challenges and shortcomings, and patience is up there on my list as well. 393 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.160 My wife could attest to that, and that's something that we work on 394 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.359 as we get older as well, on on our shortcomings and it can be 395 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.599 dealing listen, but especially with some of the folks today that are out there, 396 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.039 it can be a bit of a test. But I'd like to think 397 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.079 as well that I've become a little bit more of a patient person than I 398 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.599 might have been even ten years ago. So here's the growing and praying and 399 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:51.079 to just trying to be a better person every day into that. Well, 400 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.559 I'd just like to talk about one more message we received in truth and then 401 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:59.119 I'll probably get into the flat earth part of it. Absolutely. One night 402 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.400 I prayed and as I was kneeling, I just said to God, I 403 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.079 said, I'm very sorry. I do not know how to pray to the 404 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.920 Holy Spirit. And at that time I says God, the Holy Spirit, 405 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.680 and it was just a prayer, just the little thing. I went off. 406 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.519 Well. The next day, in fact, I found out you even 407 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.039 come across this individual, a friend of mine by the name of Dean. 408 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.359 I hear he has written you a couple of times in some emails, and 409 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:30.839 I know you read them over your should because I have heard him, Yes, 410 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.519 sir. But anyways, he's a friend of ours. He's a truth 411 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.680 seeker, a very nice gentleman. He brought me a DVD and he just 412 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.599 said, Budge, you won't believe what you're going to see on this. 413 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.279 And I said, well, what is about? He says, we have 414 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.480 to watch it as a group and we should study it. So we did 415 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.039 just that we first, but before watching it, I had other He said, 416 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.640 it's on the Holy Spirit. So I had other DVDs that I used 417 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.359 to watch, and I spent I'm going to say a good sixteen hours of 418 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:04.160 watching different DVDs on the Godhead, the Trinity and the Holy Spirit and whatnot. 419 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.640 So I wanted to be loaded with Bible verses and let's say what I 420 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:13.519 thought were my beliefs. But this particular DVD brought up the concept of a 421 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.480 father and Son and that there is no such thing written in the Bible as 422 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:23.240 a trinity, and the Spirit of God is just that, the Spirit of 423 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:28.119 God. It's not God, the Holy Spirit. And you will no place 424 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.000 in the Bible find the words God the Holy Spirit. So anyways, we 425 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.240 started studying that out as a group, and that's where I met these people 426 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:40.480 from Australia and the gentleman from California, and I'll put their links in also, 427 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.880 And it's called the Father and Son message. And really, if you 428 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.400 read from John fourteen, let's say, through seventeen, which is the prayer 429 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.920 of Jesus Christ just before I would say, one of his last prayers on 430 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:58.559 earth. And if you really read through first John, all five or four 431 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.480 or five chapters of it, you really come to know and understand that it 432 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:07.880 is just that many times Jesus will say he's begotten of the Father, he 433 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.920 was sent by the Father. And if you're a trinitarian, you have to 434 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.400 you're sort of believing that Jesus is a second person of a trinity. And 435 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.799 the people that write about it say that you're they took on roll that God 436 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.480 the Father wasn't the father. I mean, if he doesn't have a son 437 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.160 up there, then he's not the father. I mean just of his creation, 438 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:35.880 but that that Jesus was the second person of the trinity, and he 439 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.359 more or less raised his hand and said I'll play the son, and that 440 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:45.359 they think it's more metaphorically speaking that Jesus is the son of God. Where 441 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.960 if you read the Bible, and as we studied the Bible, Jesus is 442 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.000 a literal son of God. And it says when it says God so loved 443 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.960 the world that he sent his only begotten son, Jesus, the Father had 444 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.039 to have a son to send. So I think the father and son message 445 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.839 sort of destroys, I shouldn't say, sort of destroys the concept of the 446 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.639 trinity and the spirit that you're praying for. Like in Galatians four six it 447 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.159 says the Father gives you the spirit of his son, so you can call 448 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.000 him father. It's the spirit of Christ that lives through us, and that's 449 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.599 the spirit you're praying for when you're praying for the Holy Spirit to be in 450 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.880 you. And throughout Jesus's prayer, he's saying things like Father makes us them 451 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.480 one as we are one, so as we come to know that truth, 452 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.159 we will become one with Christ. And throughout like in John seventeen three, 453 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.039 it says, this is life eternal, that they may know you, the 454 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.480 only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. So throughout 455 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:51.159 the Bible, when you really read with a discerned mind, I would say 456 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.599 you will find a father and son message and how they try to save their 457 00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:00.679 creation. And along with that I also have studies on that in my family 458 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.719 for truth. But then as we continue, when you wanted to know the 459 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:09.199 flat earth episode, well, I have to comment on this because you want 460 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:14.480 to talk about how things work. I was a guest Friday night on a 461 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:20.840 podcast with Big Country. He was on my podcast back in March or April, 462 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.400 and he asked me, have I ever heard of a guy by the 463 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.280 name of Austin wits It I think his name is, and he's a flat 464 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.000 earth But he also did a five hour podcast on it was the first, 465 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:37.559 because we just accept the Trinity or the Godhead as it's known, right, 466 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:38.960 the Father Son, and Holy Spirit. And I had never questioned it, 467 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:44.440 and I'm about halfway through it, and that's the first I've really ever heard 468 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:52.519 anybody mentioned it or questioned it. And these things. It's almost it was 469 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:53.920 almost like flat Earth all over again. You're like, wait a second, 470 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:58.480 this is what I was taught ever since I was a young man. And 471 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.960 it was funny because as you were talking, I was perusing your website, 472 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:06.599 your your Family for Truth dot WordPress dot com and Bud's corner, and I 473 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.559 see the Godhead and the eleven articles there, and that is interesting, and 474 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:14.000 there's a lot of things that organized religion, and that's what I wanted to 475 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.559 ask you one last question before we jumped into flat Earth, where organized religion 476 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:23.159 doesn't always mesh up completely with the Bible, and that's just do you consider 477 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:29.480 that the biggest issue with the organized religion aside from flat Earth or do you 478 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.199 think there's other issues that you'll deal with as well and as a whole, 479 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.800 what's your what's your take on organized religion? I should ask that well, 480 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.159 I guess, to put it bluntly, what we do now is we have 481 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:46.480 a church home. We definitely, I mean we're not very large. We 482 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.719 have blossom up to like when I had speakers come in, people come from 483 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.960 all over the state, and we had had the room filled to a little 484 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.480 over one hundred and fifty people to come and listen to different speakers. We 485 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.000 have wow. In fact, the next thing we're going to have in September 486 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.320 and we are going to have a gentleman by the name of Troy Miller come 487 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.639 and speak to us on the lunar solar Sabbath. In fact, some of 488 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.400 the people, even in our group, don't believe right now in the lunar 489 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.519 solar Sabbath. They think it's too strange, too far fetched. But when 490 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.320 you really study what the Bible says about how God put the luminaries in the 491 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.280 sky for just that reason to keep his mod which is his feast days. 492 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.079 And the first feast day he had was the Sabbath. And I could even 493 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.239 run you through a story from that. In fact, if you look on 494 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:36.920 my family for truth, the one that says Eloheam's established epoch, that particular 495 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.079 one I run you through. And I have to say, of all the 496 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:44.000 writings that i've wrote. My daughter has always getting on my case saying, 497 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.239 why don't you make an outline first so you have your thoughts condensed so you 498 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:52.400 can express yourself better. And it's just not me. As I was writing 499 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:59.159 that particular paper, versus were coming to me that I never I mean, 500 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.079 parts of them, I've heard them before, but I never put them with 501 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:08.320 that particular usage. And as I was reading them, they were becoming you 502 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.599 could say, explanations for my paper, and it was I really feel that 503 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.719 particular message was God sent. In fact, there's a particular part of that 504 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.079 message where it says in the beginning or it says the morning evening in the 505 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:29.320 morning were the first day. While first of all, evening means just that 506 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:34.079 the word yahm in Hebrew means under the heat of the day or the light 507 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.679 of the day. So the evening in the morning or the yeah, we're 508 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:43.880 the first day. Evening was from twelve noon to sunset, because the evening 509 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.559 sacrifice was around three o'clock. The morning was from sunrise to twelve noon. 510 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.679 So when God says the evening in the morning, we're the first day, 511 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:53.679 he was just talking about the daylight hours. In fact, in John I 512 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.599 think it's John nine or eleven. Oh, I'll have to look that up. 513 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:02.920 But anyways, Jesus says, everyone knows there's twelve hours in the day, 514 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.320 so we were told, but everybody believes that as saying the evening it 515 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.480 was nighttime. Well, God called the darkness night. He did not call 516 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.679 the darkness evening. So I stressed that in that particular writing. And the 517 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.760 other thing that came to mind in that word, there's a word and there 518 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.960 we were the first day. Well, that word in Hebrew is haya. 519 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.960 That's also used elsewhere in the Bible. Because of the studies I told you 520 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.480 I used. Where you look up words in the Bible, that word is 521 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:38.719 also used by follow. So that statement could have been interpreted the evening in 522 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:44.679 the morning followed the first day, or as they have they have it were 523 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.159 the first day. Now, I'm not trying to change the Bible, but 524 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.920 in my writing, I say, I go on to say, that's how 525 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:55.239 God, with his infinite wisdom, can be both correct with both statements. 526 00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.800 And you wonder how that happens. Is now, I don't have the book 527 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.960 in me where it says in the beginning God created the light and he called 528 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.320 the light day. That was before he created anything else. So what's the 529 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.199 first thing God created? Was a date? Well, one could go on 530 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.920 to say that was new moon day because before he starts creating. So when 531 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.880 you go through and stay, let's say the first day of the week, 532 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.000 it says the evening in the morning were the first day, it was that 533 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.119 or followed the first day. It followed the first day of the month. 534 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.599 But it was the first day of the week. If that makes sense that 535 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:35.599 people do. So when you read throughout, when you say the evening in 536 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.760 the morning were it could be the evening in the morning following. Because the 537 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.320 Holli Hebrew reckoned her Bible, they had new moon Day. Then their week 538 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.119 started with the next day of the month. So the second day of the 539 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:51.159 month was the first day of the week. And then when you get to 540 00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.639 the very end where it says and he created all this, or it says 541 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.320 I think in chapter two had arrested on the seventh day, and he oh, 542 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.239 God finish his work on the seventh day, and he rested on the 543 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.679 seventh day. That's two things. If you say God finished his work on 544 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.880 the seventh day, then we have I would you say an injustice here because 545 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:19.119 they would kill people for working on the seventh So God cannot rest from his 546 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.880 work on the seventh day. So I ventured to say that they had two 547 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.880 seventh days. It was the seventh day of the month, but the eighth 548 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.519 day of the month became the seventh day of the week. And that's why 549 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.599 God could call it the seventh day, because now he was ending his week. 550 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.239 But if you go to the Septurgen, which is the Greek version of 551 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:43.519 that Bible, and it was, you know, translated back in the days 552 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.400 before Christ, they say God ended his work on the sixth day, and 553 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:53.760 they're talking about the same situation because those were Greek people who knew Hebrew and 554 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:58.400 were trying to explain it. Let's say to the Greek people on the earth 555 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.360 of that time, so they could understand what was meant in the Bible when 556 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:07.199 it said God finished his work on the seventh day, it was really God 557 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.639 finished his work the sixth day of the week. But he did finish his 558 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:14.559 work the seventh day of the month, and then he blessed the seven of 559 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:19.000 the week because it became a week because God declared it a week. And 560 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.400 I hope I made sense with all this. But if you read some of 561 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:27.199 my studies, I go on to explain how an only God can use the 562 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:32.000 word ayah which means followed and were and make truth out of it in the 563 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:38.199 same sentence while saying the same word exactly. Really well to think about. 564 00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:44.239 It's just gonna say, it's really well done. And the article I'll link 565 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:49.559 that as well. It's Elohim's established epic, right, Yes, yeah, 566 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.360 I'll link that as well. It's got all the links, and you cite 567 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.239 all the verses as well to support your evidence, and you even delve into 568 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.800 Strong's concordance for some of the links as well. But I also want to 569 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:08.000 comment on what your comment when you said about the father and son. From 570 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.840 when I first met Bill Barrett and he told me how prayer works and how 571 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.880 God works, this is almost there's no such thing as a coincidence with our 572 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.440 father in heaven. The fact that you probably heard it, the fact that 573 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.320 I'm reiterating it about the father and son, and the fact you're probably now 574 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.840 It's just like when you buy a certain car, you see that car all 575 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.679 all over the road, and you you know that happens with the father and 576 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:37.480 son message. Once you heard it, you're going to find out there's a 577 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.679 lot of people out there that know it and understand it and studied it, 578 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:46.480 and there's speakers that are so well versed on it that they're gonna blow your 579 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:51.039 mind with just what they say. And the point you brought up earlier also 580 00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.039 because when you first hear most of your so called truths are when you are 581 00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:01.840 young. They're usually, how would you say, traditions handed down from generation 582 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.519 to generation, just like what we say about the flat earth. Same thing 583 00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.280 with the God had the fact that the Trinity is all that anybody talks about, 584 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.719 but it's not what I said. You can read that into the Bible 585 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.760 by changing God's words and thoughts, but you cannot read Trinity out from the 586 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:27.639 Bible by interpreting God at what he meant to say. So it's an interesting 587 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.679 study, interesting concept. But as I said, we are learning so much 588 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:37.159 so fast that all I can say is praise the Lord. He has been 589 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:42.000 blessing us with a lot of things. In fact, with this lunar solar 590 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:47.840 that I'm was telling you about what happened with that particular one, I many 591 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.880 times fast and pray when I do my writings or when I'm trying to get 592 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:58.480 to know a concept that God is teaching me from the Bible. And one 593 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.519 particular time, I was just happ having walking up our stairs in our house, 594 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:05.519 and I just questioned God, I says, God, what's wrong between 595 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.639 us? I said, I'm not getting these little bits of information that I've 596 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.199 been just receiving. Not that I have to have a new thing every day, 597 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.840 but you kind of know when you're just reading the Bible and it's coming 598 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.239 to you and you're grasping it and it's making a lot of sense. And 599 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:27.639 I just was feeling a little ostracides. I guess. Anyways, a thought 600 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.360 came to mind. That's how it always is. He goes, I asked 601 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:36.000 you to study the Lunar Sabbath. And my retort to him and in my 602 00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:37.559 mind, this is all going on in my mind. In fact, you 603 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.079 could say Dean was part of this and our group of people that get together 604 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.639 and study. I said, God, you know, we studied it. 605 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.159 I brought it to the group, We looked into it. I says, 606 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.119 you have people, And I named him off like this. I met Audie, 607 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.800 this Nadder Mensur, this Daniel Mesa. These are all. I mean, 608 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.280 these are Bible scholars. If you look up any of their programs, 609 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.599 you're going to see them just go off on studies that are Wow, where 610 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.880 did they get this from? They have to be inspired, you know that 611 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.679 type of stuff. Anyways, I said, none of those, all those 612 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.199 convinced me that it's the Saturday, that it's the Saturday we've been keeping. 613 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.920 And then another thought just and it was emphasized, he was, I asked 614 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:22.559 you to study the lunar Sabbath. And I thought, whoa, I said, 615 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.360 and right away, this is my retort to God. This is all 616 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.880 my mind have. I got to grant you. This is not I'm heavy. 617 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:30.880 I'm not talking out loud in my house since they and I just said, 618 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.840 I said, I don't care what day it is. I said, 619 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.039 I don't have a horse in this race. I said, all I want 620 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.960 is to keep the same Sabbath Christ kept when he was on this earth. 621 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.000 That's all I want. And my studies, I'm not knu those particular studies 622 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:52.639 have gone from I'm going to say, forty papers, some of them fifty 623 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:59.920 sixty sheets long, that write both pro and con of the lunar solar Sabbath, 624 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:05.840 that I mean there's encyclopedias that stayed both sides of the fact. And 625 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.840 I mean, I'm just going through this, going watching DVDs, reading articles, 626 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:15.760 looking up encyclopedias, reading from Josephus. I mean, you you name 627 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.280 it, the all the outside sources and the Bible itself, and I just 628 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.360 really couldn't draw a conclusion. Tearfully, I went to God and in a 629 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:28.079 prayer, and that's when I said, I wanted to keep just the sabbathat 630 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.159 Christ kept. And right after that, I'm not getting you. You could 631 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.920 say a flood of information came to be more or less stating that new Moon 632 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.760 Day was a particular day. God created three days. When he created days, 633 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:45.039 he created new moon days, work days, and the Sabbath, and 634 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.800 that's those are the days, and that's how they actually fall. You have 635 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.679 new moon days, that's one entity the gods. The doors of the temple 636 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:57.719 were open. Then you had six work days when the doors were closed, 637 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.280 and then you had Sabbath day. And just to give you an example, 638 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.920 when you really when you can figure out what the days of the week that 639 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.320 the Sabbath fell on the actual number day, you will find out that it 640 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:13.880 always fell on the eighth, the fifteenth to twenty second, or the twenty 641 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:15.840 ninth, And the only way can fall on the eighth, as if you 642 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.320 have New Moonday on the first, if you're taken the Battle of Jericho, 643 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.679 when they marched around the city for seven days, what day would have been 644 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.280 the sabbath that they were in war paraphernalia, you know, But if they 645 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.679 got there on New Moonday, And if you go to the Book of Jasher, 646 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.920 it says just that. Now one might say, how can you use 647 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.920 the Book of Jasher when you're talking about the Bible. The Book of Joshua 648 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:45.920 itself uses the Book of Jasher and explaining another situation that happened there. So 649 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.440 in the Book of Jasher it says they came upon the city the first day 650 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.000 of the second the first day of the second month, which would have allowed 651 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.199 them to march around the city for seven days, and on the eighth day 652 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.599 of the month, which would have been their sabbath, they would have been 653 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.639 able to keep the sabbath with the Lord. So there's little situations like that 654 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:09.320 throughout the Bible that actually speak towards it and make it very interesting to find 655 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:14.760 out those little type of facts. Yeah, that's interesting, Joshua ten thirteen. 656 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.760 And once again, if we are going to take the Bible literally, 657 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.400 if the sun stopped, that would mean everything stopped and people would be floating 658 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.480 away right into outer space. That kind of kills the whole gravity thing. 659 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.559 But there's a lot of people out there that still demand science. Something I 660 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.760 mentioned in an interview earlier today, there's going to be people out there which 661 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:40.760 kind of talking about flat Earth here is there's been many, many experience experiments 662 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.159 excuse me, that show we can see too far, and for many people 663 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:50.679 in the truth community or in the flat earth world, that is their biggest 664 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:55.440 smoking gun to say we do live on a flat plane that we can simply 665 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.559 see too far. There are people out there that you can show in these 666 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.480 things, and even if we had permission, you could fly him to Antarctica, 667 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:06.320 and even if we could see the firmament that they may still not believe. 668 00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.800 Like you said earlier in the very beginning of the podcast, people have 669 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:17.960 to be willing to accept the message even to that. But also I pray 670 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.719 for our elected officials, and whether they're on my side or against me, 671 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:27.599 I just pray for everyone, because some of you know, are just captured 672 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:32.599 by Satan and some you know are need our help and our prayers. Anyways, 673 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.000 But anyways, believe it or not, it was Barack Obama that brought 674 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.000 me to the flat earth. I just happened to be listening to one of 675 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.440 his speeches, and I only I don't listen to the whole thing. I 676 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.400 usually catch him on YouTube and stuff like that. But at one of his 677 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:51.280 speeches, I think it was around twenty twenty thirteen someplace in there, he 678 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.599 used, you know, they should be flat earth. There's in a derogatory 679 00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:01.280 sense, and I just remember hearing that speech, and I then when as 680 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.199 I went to bed, then I said, who can be a flat earth 681 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.760 in today? And why would they even bring why would anybody have conversation about 682 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.679 a flat earth in today's you know, realm whatever. So anyways, I 683 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.039 looked it up and the first person I happened to come across was Eric Dubaying 684 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:21.760 and watching his stuff. It was like, very interesting. I thought, 685 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:22.920 hey, minute, this makes a little bit of sense here. Yeah, 686 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:27.960 I said, who are these people? So anyways, like everybody else, 687 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.360 I hear it constantly where someone says, oh when they heard it, it 688 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.199 does It consumes about two months of your life, watching everything you can, 689 00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:45.440 reading everything you can. I've read what this particular book this guy is the 690 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.639 Bible from God or something like that. Is the Earth the globe? I 691 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.199 mean it's a it's a book back in eighteen ninety three or something like that. 692 00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:59.480 The guy who made the map, the Gleeson. Yeah, it's his 693 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:01.800 book, and I read that. And I've read other books. I have 694 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.039 the book the Sixteen Landings, you know, emergency landings, all this type 695 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.119 of stuff, But that came much later. I bought those books only to 696 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:15.519 show other people of what I've learned. But I I mean I was listening 697 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:21.119 to Who's at Skiba who since passed away, and many other people, and 698 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:23.760 just a lot of things like that. So as I said, I was, 699 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:28.039 I was one of those convinced. Although I was watching it for about 700 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.639 two months. I was just how would you say adding to the evidence? 701 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.559 Because I was turned. I would say within a week that the earth is 702 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:43.320 not a globe. In fact, one of the things you always asked many 703 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.440 times you're the people as you interview them, you know, like what is 704 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:52.400 your favorite way of looking at it? And so on? Now mine actually 705 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.000 should be a visual but I'll try and talk to you through it, which 706 00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:01.199 is which is what A good example like Togo, Africa and Guyana, South 707 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:07.760 America are approximately four thousand miles apart, okay, they're very close to the 708 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.320 equator. So when the sun is overhead on Togo at twelve noon, the 709 00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.119 sun goes from east to west. So now when it becomes one o'clock, 710 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:21.639 the sun has actually traveled approximately one thousand miles and covered a fifteen degree arc. 711 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.760 So now when it gets to two o'clock, it covered another's fifteen degree 712 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.360 arc, which makes it thirty degrees now and it's traveled two thousand miles, 713 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:36.760 okay, So that means the arc that you have left from that when the 714 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:42.159 sun was right above you is a sixty degree arc. Okay. Now, 715 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:47.519 when you're in Guyana and you're looking at the sun coming towards you at ten 716 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.599 o'clock in the morning, it is approximately two thousand miles from you. So 717 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.800 when Guyana sun is at ten o'clock in the morning, it is two o'clock 718 00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.519 in the afternoon at Togo. So if you can picture this in your mind, 719 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.880 so as the sun's coming towards you, now it's eleven o'clock, you're 720 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.920 in Guyana, it's a fifteen degree arc. It travels and it's and then 721 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.679 when it gets to eleven o'clock, now it traveled that thirty degree arcs. 722 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.079 So what's left on the ground, or let's say you looking at it, 723 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:21.880 is another sixty degree arc. So the person in Togo has seen the sun 724 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.960 at a sixty degree arc away from them, the person in Guyana has seen 725 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:30.159 the arc at a sixty degree at ten o'clock in the morning coming towards them, 726 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.880 and they are four thousand miles apart. Well, everybody that knows anything 727 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:38.400 about geometry, a triang only has one hundred and eighty degrees. If you 728 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:43.519 know two degrees are sixty, you know the third angle of sixty. And 729 00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.199 if you know one side is four thousand miles, the other two sides have 730 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:51.519 to be four thousand miles. So when you take the height of a triangle, 731 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:53.719 so if you can figure that out, that means the height of the 732 00:54:53.760 --> 00:55:00.360 Sun can't be much more than thirty four hundred miles away from us. And 733 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:06.039 from that particular distance that you can obtain through geometry, which is real science, 734 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.519 that you can figure out the width of the sun, and that has 735 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:14.039 to be I would say anywhere between thirty two and thirty five miles, so 736 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.400 both the sun and the moon are approximately just that, I would say anywhere 737 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:22.960 from about thirty four hundred to thirty eight hundred miles away from us, and 738 00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:30.360 maybe thirty two to thirty five miles in diameter. And that see, it's 739 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.800 more and that's a given. I mean anything that people try to prove with 740 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:40.840 an experiment has failed when they tried to prove the earth moving. But you 741 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.559 can prove everything. And as you said, I did buy one of those 742 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:49.239 guns. I checked the shadow of the moon and the shadow of the sun 743 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.599 in the shade, and yes, that all turns out whenever I drive up 744 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:58.079 on the top either mountain or something that I'm always taking pictures, and yes, 745 00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:01.360 you can see from miles and miles of flatness. And then when you 746 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:07.039 open a plane and taking off same thing. You see what they say where 747 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.480 you can tell the world and all your senses actually do tell us the truth. 748 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.679 But because we were informed just about like anything as a youth, and 749 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:21.760 these were from people we respected, and if they say so, it has 750 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.079 to be so. And we've been teaching that to our children, but not 751 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:30.679 my grandchildren. There you go and that's really and is this something that you 752 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:36.360 came up with, the Togo to Guyana. Yes, that's really interesting because 753 00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.719 looking at it on a map, they are just about almost exactly the same 754 00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:45.920 latitude. And yeah, it's about what miles from Togo to Guyana. Yes, 755 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.599 yeah, that is really really interesting that that is another tool in the 756 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.760 two box for everyone who's a flat earther. So and as I said, 757 00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.239 God has actually God has made it very simple for if we just take him 758 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:06.360 at his word and not read into his word, but just read his word. 759 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:12.000 There's just different studies. Like I'll give an example right now, I'm 760 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.920 trying to do a study of the Nephilum. But when you do it, 761 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:19.960 if you take God at his word, and I many times like to use 762 00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:25.079 different translations of the Bible because it sometimes some just make it more clear than 763 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:30.679 others. I'll give you for instance, like with the Nephilum, it starts 764 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:32.800 out if you read d NIV. And I know a lot of people say, 765 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.719 well not d n IV. But rather than say God was looking at 766 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.599 man, it says God was looking at humans or you know it, it 767 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.400 not only pluralizes it if there's such a word, but at all. He 768 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:52.360 is also saying he's looking at his creation, and Nephilim is just the word 769 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.239 that means giants. And according to the Bible, I guess the people that 770 00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:00.559 were staying truer to God, or that stayed in the the One God movement, 771 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:05.480 the God of Creation, were kind of of Seth line and they were 772 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.679 just taller, larger human beings, the ones that seemed to come out of 773 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:14.800 Canes lineage. Maybe because they were producing so fast, human beings were getting 774 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:19.360 smaller. They were becoming more like the smaller human beings are not quite the 775 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:23.199 big giants. And so it is just that it's I don't think it's the 776 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:29.480 angels that came and tried to pregnate the human race. Because God is a 777 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.880 god of I would just say organization. Throughout the Bible, he says, 778 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:38.119 you've got to come of your kind. So why would he make another entity 779 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:43.079 that could impregnate his human race if they happened to, let's say, fall 780 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:47.480 and create another being. I know in the Book of Enoch that goes on 781 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:53.400 to explain it rather well, but it's I don't think it's the proper explanation. 782 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:59.440 And I just feel that at least that's what I'm meaning to it. 783 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.039 Right now. I shouldn't say it's a it's a conviction at this time, 784 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:06.519 but when I started to read it and read it as it is stated, 785 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.440 it is just that. And once you're a fallen angel, you're no longer 786 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.559 considered a son of God. Even when they talk about like when all the 787 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:19.840 fall, when all the angels were in having would you say a meeting with 788 00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.840 God, Satan happened to walk by, They didn't say Satan the son of 789 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:27.280 God. They said, and Satan came by, and God asked him, 790 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.039 where'd you come from? And he says, from the earth, going to 791 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.039 and fro. And it's just that, once you are fallen, you are 792 00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:36.320 no longer a son of God. So therefore when it says the son of 793 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:42.920 God went into the daughters of men, they're talking just that. And in 794 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:47.239 the New Testament they actually explain anybody that's the son of God is anybody that 795 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.480 is led by the spirit. So if you're led by the spirit of God, 796 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.920 you you could say our God's son. Therefore you're a son of God. 797 00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.000 But I think they're strictly humans. They just to be large humans. 798 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:07.199 Gotcha, well, said, let's get to now that you you you said 799 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:12.599 it took you about a week to realize that her, for lack of better 800 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.320 words, to become a flat earth. How did it change your life? 801 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:22.480 Oh? That was that changed everything? Because you know when they lie about 802 01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:27.480 that, anything's on the table, anything and everything's on the table. R 803 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:35.039 I always from the moment Kennedy was assassinated, I was about in seventh grade 804 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.599 when it happened, or eighth grade, I can't remember. But anyways, 805 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:43.000 we always knew it wasn't Oswald. I mean even as a young kid and 806 01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:47.000 as you got into college or I have different friends that went through different places. 807 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:52.679 In fact, when college, professor I think at Steven's point really amassed 808 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.559 a lot of information on that and would explain it or say it to different 809 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.920 students there, and my friend would share it with me. So we always 810 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:02.519 believe. But you always thought that it was just a few bad apples, 811 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:08.400 maybe some rogue CIA agent or stuff like that. But when you realize that 812 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:14.000 everything they do, when you find out about like NASA and how they started 813 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.639 that and how they continue it and what it's doing, and I know many 814 01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.039 times people said that particular lie has to be the lie of lies, because 815 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.199 not only are they doing it every day, they're spending the money on it 816 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.679 every day. They're still force feeding it to us. And they just pick 817 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:37.280 up their pictures they're so called CGI pictures and everything. They just add to 818 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:45.159 it the more we get closer to them. So yes, it's a it 819 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.280 changes. You're outlooking the way. First of all, I've been coming closer 820 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.719 to God as I was reading the Bible. Just just allowed me to look 821 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.400 up. You could say thee hundred and twenty verses that are in the Bible 822 01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:01.920 that very much speak of the flat Earth. I can say it with how 823 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:07.440 would you say confidence? As I speak about it, sometimes I can express 824 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:12.599 myself. And sometimes someone will walk away at least scratching their head and saying, 825 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:15.159 yeah, he's not as not as far fetched as it seems, and 826 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:19.679 they might go and check it out. And sometimes I know there's people rolling 827 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:23.039 their eyes. I had a comment back from a friend I met. My 828 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:27.639 sister has a friend who just got married, and I was talking to him. 829 01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:32.000 He's a Bible believing individual and our conversation, after a long Bible discussion 830 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:38.119 through me, has come to the fat flat earth and or our stationary realm, 831 01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:43.719 as some said, and he I got feedback from my sister. She 832 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.519 goes, you know, he sounds like an intelligent individual. But I'll tell 833 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.639 you when he brought up the flat earth, it just threw everything else out 834 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.960 of the Yeah you hear that. Oh I got that all the time on 835 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.559 my other podcast, whenever I brought it up. You sound like a smart 836 01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.440 guy, but you mentioned flat earth and I was done. Anyways, the 837 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.400 truth is going to come out. We are all at different how would you 838 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:09.519 say, levels of our education where we are with truth? Yeah, different 839 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:14.079 paths in our journey to the truth, yes, sir. Right. In 840 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:16.679 fact, I don't know if you know, but they say things. Everything 841 01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.599 is said differently, like I don't know if you know. There's a movement 842 01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:25.199 says like when you say do you understand, that's really saying you are standing 843 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:29.559 under me? So you know, stuff like that, or even warfare, 844 01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.760 is that fair war? Meaning that the devil has to declare everything he's going 845 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.960 to do, and he does that through Hollywood, and God actually declares everything 846 01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:43.719 he's going to do, and he did that through his prophets. In fact, 847 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.559 that's why I'm on a realm of There's a woman by the name of 848 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:52.320 Ellen white, and I think if you read her writings, you would come 849 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:57.800 to the conclusion she's a prophet also if you read about her from other people. 850 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.880 Just like the prophets of old, they hated the prophets. They killed 851 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:06.159 the prophets. I mean, the little parabol about God with the guy with 852 01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:10.519 the vineyard. He sends first his servants, but then he sends his son 853 01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.039 and they kill his son. Well, those were supposed to be all prophets 854 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:18.119 that were sent beforehand, and they just always didn't listen to him kill them 855 01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:21.800 and so on. But the Bible itself speaks of prophets. And I don't 856 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:27.440 know if I can get this all right. When Enoch was born, that's 857 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:33.039 when he had a son named Methuselah. And Methuselah's name means when he dies, 858 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:38.920 it will come. And that was speaking of the flood. Methuselah passed 859 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.679 away and the flood came. But before the flood came, you have, 860 01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.280 let's say, a prophet talking about the flood, and then you have Noah 861 01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:50.320 declaring the flood is eminent, and you have that throughout the Bible. You 862 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:55.480 have Abraham talking about his people are going to go into exile. Then you 863 01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:58.480 have a prophet when it happens, saying this is it, this is why 864 01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:02.000 we were in exile. In the form of day Daniel also gives a profit 865 01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:06.239 of a seventy week profit and a twenty three hundred day profit, of which 866 01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:10.159 I could touch on also if you want to. But the seventy week profit 867 01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:14.119 was when Christ was going to be on this earth. While the prophet declares 868 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:15.880 it there, also he has to be a prophet to bring it in, 869 01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:20.159 and that was John the Baptist. So John the Baptist brings in that particular 870 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:24.199 profit and tells you this is the Son of God and so on. But 871 01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:29.079 the twenty three hundred year prophecy, now that prophecy didn't come until about eighteen 872 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.599 forty four. Now I can explain to you where that is in the Bible 873 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:39.199 and how that was so mishandled. But you have to have a profit issuing 874 01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:43.960 in that declaration, which was Ellen White at that time in eighteen forty four, 875 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.679 she was about a seventeen year old girl that started to have visions. 876 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:51.960 But her writings are just phenomenal and fabulous. But that eighteen forty four mission, 877 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:58.920 I will go on to say, is I think it's not a guy. 878 01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:02.960 Put my mind. I think he's Revelations ten nine. I should be 879 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:08.440 looking at myself. Now you're talking about the Miller and William Miller, right 880 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:14.039 right. But the reason I wanted to bring that up was that go to 881 01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:23.840 I'm going to quick grad to go there. Let's see Revelation ten nine. 882 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.760 Okay, and see, First of all, you got to understand what they 883 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.519 knew and what they thought they knew. Back then, most Bible scholars believed 884 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:40.440 the Sanctuary was the earth. When it said the sanctuary would be cleansed, 885 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:45.360 they thought that meant the second coming of Christ. But here in verse ten 886 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.519 nine, it says, and I went unto the angel and said, unto 887 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:51.119 him, give me the little book. Now I feel they're talking about the 888 01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:56.079 same little book in Daniel that he had to close up, and the closed 889 01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.079 it up for twenty three hundred years. He says, take it and eat 890 01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:01.400 it up. Eat it up, and it shall be in thy belly bitter, 891 01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:05.320 but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. So when he 892 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:10.840 started having this, let's say, Revelation, and he thought the sanctuary was 893 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.679 the earth, it was like honey in his mouth. I mean, people 894 01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:17.039 were coming to the Lord. People were going to those conferences whatever, or 895 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:21.280 those gatherings and just eating it up and coming to the Lord thinking, Wow, 896 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:25.000 this is going to happen. When it didn't happen, that's what came 897 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.719 bitter to the stomach. And when they were like, what did we do 898 01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:30.559 wrong? How were we so wrong? God? We thought you gave us 899 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:35.400 this message? And then they realized that it wasn't the sanctuary on earth. 900 01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:43.719 Christ was going to the sanctuary in Heaven and beginning and beginning the judgment basis. 901 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:50.360 So I'm saying that that particular stands or verse and revelation that is ten 902 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:56.679 nine, that is the year eighteen forty four where they were studying. It 903 01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:00.320 tasted like hunting their mouth. They thought they had truth. Everything is working 904 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.119 out perfect, everybody was coming to the Lord. When they actually swallowed it 905 01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:08.239 and realized Christ's income, it was like, what did we do wrong? 906 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:13.679 But the true Bible believers and knowing that God would not leave them, let's 907 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:17.119 say, without hope or without truth, they started questioning, what did we 908 01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:23.000 do wrong? We're studying your word, We're taking this out of the Book 909 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:26.039 of Daniel, we're reading the prophecy as it reads the twenty three end of 910 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:30.920 Year prophecy, and none of it's right. And then they realized that there's 911 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.520 a sanctuary in heaven, and the cleansing of the sanctuary was not the sanctuary 912 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:39.319 on earth. It was the sanctuary in heaven. Jesus Christ went from the 913 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:43.720 Holy to the Holy of Holies and is now in front of the Father on 914 01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:47.560 our behalf, and judgment is actually taking place, and I try, I 915 01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:53.960 think we're not long for this earth. It is all being judged right now. 916 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:57.479 So when they come, they will know who is theirs and who's not, 917 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.760 who's sealed and who's not. There still trials to be had, because 918 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:05.760 Satan knows his time is short. And it's interesting stuff. Again, it's 919 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:11.520 another study. It's it's a study that I wasn't there at the time. 920 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:16.319 I'm interpreting some things, like I honestly believe the beginning of the Seventh Day 921 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:20.239 adventice movement, and I know Dean explained that to you was was supposed to 922 01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:25.560 be a movement. They wanted to stay so far from religion, and the 923 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.520 more I'm finding about the churches. In fact, I don't know if you 924 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:31.000 know it because of my beliefs, and that I came to the Father and 925 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:35.960 Son message. I was asked not to, let's say, speak anymore at 926 01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:40.399 the Seven day Adventist Church, of which I did, but not so much 927 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:45.359 to speak was I was asked to leave the Seventh day adventished. But with 928 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.159 that this fellowship I came across versus like, if you go to verse here, 929 01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:56.960 I'll read you. Here's a good one, John sixteen three, which 930 01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.000 this hit me right after or right before when we were study it. It 931 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.520 says, I'll just read from two from one on. I think it goes 932 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:08.680 down to it says, these things that I have spoken unto you, that 933 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:13.159 you should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues. 934 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:16.560 I'm gonna you could say, church, yea, the time cometh that whoever 935 01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:21.640 killeth you will think that he doeth God's service. And it goes on to 936 01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:28.079 say, and these things they do unto you because they have not known the 937 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:33.239 Father nor me that Jesus Christ speaking. So a lot of people that are 938 01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:38.119 going to put you down, it's only because they do not have the true 939 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.840 message of the Father and Son. And when you read this and you know 940 01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:45.800 you actually went through it, it's like God, thank you, thank you 941 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.000 for allowing me to be one of your let's say, nd time people spreading 942 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:55.520 your word, sharing your word, trying to share truth. I'm doing a 943 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:59.319 lot of these studies. In fact, it was funny because you met my 944 01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:04.680 daughter already by her podcast. But what was funny there was we had this 945 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:11.800 father and son message and she's newly married. Well now it's about seven years. 946 01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:16.119 But anyways, when she was newly married her husband, we were coming 947 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.760 into this message of the father and son. And he also is an adventist 948 01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:25.039 and his family lives in Tennessee, and they think he married into an occult 949 01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:30.159 now because everything the old man says in the house is becoming truth, you 950 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:34.600 know, and that's me anyways, my daughter, so they think, you 951 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:39.039 know, they got trying to get their son out of this commune here, 952 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:42.600 which we call an intentional community. But anyway, the point I was getting 953 01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:48.479 at was they are very how would you say, strong minded people. They 954 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:53.680 study it on their own. There's no convincing in our household at all. 955 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:57.920 If you come up with a concept or something you studied or something you're questioning, 956 01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.000 you you can bring it out to buddy. Everybody studies it. Everybody 957 01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.960 comes back with their own conclusions and we see how and what bears out. 958 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:10.000 But anyways, one time they were driving away and I think that's what I 959 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:12.640 came running out of the house. They said, yeah, And as they're 960 01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.279 driving away they get this from their dad. I said, Oh, not 961 01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:18.159 only is the father and son message, I said, but the earth we 962 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.560 live on is flat. And now they're driving away and I know they rolled 963 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.760 their eyes out. Is this guy losing it? You know? And so 964 01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:30.319 they came back home. They studied it out, and they watched maybe some 965 01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.720 of the same DVDs, read some of the same things, and they are 966 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:41.239 of the same elk. No, that's good, especially when people they figure 967 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:45.279 it out on their own. And that's why I'm of the mantra where I'd 968 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:51.039 like to leave bread crumbs and I've learned. I've mentioned it at nauseam, 969 01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:55.439 you know, being excited when I first found it, and I wanted to 970 01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:59.800 share the great news with everybody that we've been lied to, and it's it's 971 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:04.199 not an easy pill for people to swallow because of all the psychology. The 972 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:11.680 matrix, like I've said before, is is cleverly created from having globes and 973 01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:15.279 everything you watch and TV and the movies, and in your every classroom in 974 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:23.000 school, to the little jokes like you said, Obama, those silly flat 975 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:29.079 earth society people. This is one of the most carefully crafted deceptions in the 976 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:32.479 history of the world. And the question we get all the time is why 977 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.720 would people go to such great lengths to do this great deception? And it's 978 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:41.279 not about money, because with our Federal Reserve, they just print more of 979 01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:46.000 it if they want it. It's about deception. It's about Satan hiding God's 980 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:51.279 creation because flatterth to me, it brought me closer to God. I get 981 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:57.119 emails all the time saying the same with others, and they learned. People 982 01:13:57.199 --> 01:14:02.319 learned to read the Bible in a whole different way. And I'm sure that 983 01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.920 resonates with you as well, oh very much well. In fact, when 984 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:10.760 you say that, not only did Satan use that deception of God's creation, 985 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:17.239 but he his deception is of God itself. That's actually how I almost say 986 01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:20.720 I was a very strong you suld say, up until the age of eighteen, 987 01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:26.079 I don't think I ever missed a Sunday church service or a service of 988 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:30.359 let's say, Mass, and so on. As I got older, I 989 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:33.960 was growing away from it because I couldn't understand how a loving God, a 990 01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:39.399 forgiving God, could let's say, put someone on this earth for approximately sixteen 991 01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.840 years, and let's say he became a gang member or something just something that 992 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:47.000 just caused trouble, didn't live in let's say graces of God. Let's say 993 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:53.159 the young kid pass away and he burns for eternity. I feel there's nothing 994 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.840 loving, gracious, just about a God like that that would do that. 995 01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.279 Well. When I came into that study, you could say of hell, 996 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:06.000 and hell does not burn forever. The effects of hell are forever, meaning 997 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:09.960 yes, there's some people that are going to be in hell for the second 998 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:13.039 death, but they will be burnt up. Throughout the Bible says there will 999 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:16.000 be ashes under our feet, there will be no longer. And John three 1000 01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:23.479 sixteen even says in seventeen where it says, and you have everlasting life if 1001 01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:26.600 you believe in Jesus Christ. If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you 1002 01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:29.840 don't have everlasting life. If you don't have everlasting life, how can you 1003 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:34.279 ever last burn a lifetime in hell? Throughout the Bible, they use words 1004 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:40.920 like forever burning or forever. It just means that fire will not be extinguished 1005 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:45.640 until the effects of it are over, because how can anybody living in the 1006 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:49.600 earth made new where no tear will fall or anything like that, knowing that 1007 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:55.479 they might have had a loved one that's burning someplace and screaming and that. 1008 01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:00.960 So there's different studies that are out there that again I wrote up out and 1009 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:04.920 that really explained what hell so saying really distorted what God and who God is. 1010 01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:09.560 And that's why when Christ came to this earth he said everything I say. 1011 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:11.880 He said, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father, 1012 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:14.840 and you have seen the Father through me, and the Father and I 1013 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:17.520 are one and the Father Jesus Christ is the only being you could say that 1014 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:23.399 was given everlasting life because he's the literal begotten son of God. And you 1015 01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:30.760 can read that in Proverbs I think twenty eight, I guess verse twenty two 1016 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:36.920 on. So anyways, there's there's many studies out there that when you actually 1017 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:42.079 try to get to know God of the Bible from your own vantage point and 1018 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.800 your own viewpoint as opposed to what you've been told, there is one God 1019 01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:50.640 and that one God had a son and sent his son on behalf of all 1020 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:57.279 of us for our salvation. And the Son was the Word, and that's 1021 01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:00.439 how creation was. You could say, that's why he say everything was created 1022 01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:04.680 by the Father through the Son. The Son was the Word. How that 1023 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:10.520 is or how that becomes about, I don't know. But the Word became 1024 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:15.399 flesh and dwelt among us. And so everything was created through Christ or Christ 1025 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.520 by the Father. And that's the that's the God that's written about in the 1026 01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:25.119 Bible. And that's the God I discovered, and the God I grew closer 1027 01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:29.680 to and am growing closer to because of all the messages out there. The 1028 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:32.359 flat earst message, as you say, just brought you closer. It was 1029 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:35.720 like everything you send the Bible, now I can stand on that. Also, 1030 01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:40.039 I can say the sun stood still. I can say there's four corners 1031 01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:45.319 of the Earth. I can say where it says the earth is, the 1032 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:47.840 foundations of the earth don't move. You know, you can say stuff like 1033 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:53.239 that and mean it and show it and understand it and along with science, 1034 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:58.840 explain it sane, well said, and you know it's funny. Two things 1035 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.680 I wanted to mention. You could ask ten people to read a verse or 1036 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:05.039 a chapter of the Bible and then come back and ask them what it meant 1037 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:11.319 to them, and you could get ten different answers. That is very true. 1038 01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.399 But that's why it says I hear a little there, a little, 1039 01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:16.880 a little, you know. That's right. There's a verse I don't remember, 1040 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.039 but when you do, when you put it all together, that's the 1041 01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:24.479 same thing about hell. When you when I declare that Hell doesn't burn forever, 1042 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:29.640 there's about I'm going to say seven verses that state that your salvation is 1043 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:34.000 eternal. Yea, that doesn't mean you're being getting salvation every date. All 1044 01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:36.720 that type of stuff. They used the same words, we use the same 1045 01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:41.119 vernacular. I stood in line all day at this store. That doesn't mean 1046 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:44.760 you're you know, or I stood in line forever you know, and you're 1047 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:49.800 still standing in line. That's the vernacular of the kind. But yeah, 1048 01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:55.560 there's h I would say. When I started praying for discernment with the Bible 1049 01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:00.560 and ask God for not only his forgiveness but to enlighten me, there's things 1050 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:06.640 that opened up that just when you say organized religions, it's harder to get 1051 01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:12.319 with any one of them, because they all have they based their how would 1052 01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:18.399 you say denomination their beliefs, and if their beliefs are against any one of 1053 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:24.479 these, you're kind of shunned. There's a lot of these Bible churches that 1054 01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:28.760 are out there, non denominational, which I like. They claim they like 1055 01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:32.880 Bible study, but I guess when I show up with my Bible, the 1056 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:39.720 claim runs out the door. You know what I've learned if your thoughts interfere 1057 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:44.840 with Here's something we don't talk about enough is traditions within the church. That's 1058 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:49.039 when they don't want to have it and specifically, and I have this is 1059 01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:53.439 one of my eight questions to follow up with. But I might as well 1060 01:19:53.520 --> 01:20:00.720 ask you now, like with Easter and Christmas, actually say, it's funny 1061 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.439 you brought that up. You know, for an order for Sunday to work 1062 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:12.720 for a worship day or Saturday to work for a sabbathday, Christ always has 1063 01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:15.920 to die on a Friday. Now, I want you to think about this. 1064 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:18.520 You have a birthday, it falls on a different day of the year 1065 01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:26.800 every year. How can Christ's death always fall on Friday? And the only 1066 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:30.359 way it can is because they had to have an Easter season. If they 1067 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:36.319 would have gone by the New moon and let's say Passover day when Christ was 1068 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:42.439 killed. On the Gogorian calendar, it would change, but it wouldn't change 1069 01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:46.720 on God's calendar. In fact, God made statements like on the tenth of 1070 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:49.920 a bebe, which let's say it was the first month, you are to 1071 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:54.880 buy your lamb for the sacrifice, which would be on the fourteenth, which 1072 01:20:54.920 --> 01:21:00.520 is the Passover evening. If you would have said you buy your lamb days 1073 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:03.039 before the passover, that would have been different, because then, no matter 1074 01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:06.399 when the passover falls, if it happens to always fall on a Friday, 1075 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:12.119 you could buy your lamb four days before then that's not a sin. But 1076 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:15.319 if God told the people to buy their lamb on the tenth of a Babe, 1077 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:20.119 that means some time around on the Gregorian calendar, the tenth of a 1078 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:24.319 Babe is going to fall on a Sabbath. Therefore, God is turning you 1079 01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:27.960 into a center by telling you to buy your lamb on a sabbath. So 1080 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.359 that speaks to just what I was saying before. How the moon, how 1081 01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:38.159 tight God's time peace was the new moon and then four weeks to follow. 1082 01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:41.760 You have to have an Eastern season for that to work. But even Christmas 1083 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:44.920 changes every day of the year because they give it the birth of Christ, 1084 01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:48.680 and people would catch on to that faster. But the Sabbath does not work. 1085 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:54.600 Saturday Sabbath does not work, and Sunday worship does not work because Christ 1086 01:21:54.720 --> 01:22:00.439 can't always die on Friday. He died on the passover of a certain and 1087 01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:04.159 on the Gregorian calendar, that should change. Just like someone's birthday change your 1088 01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:09.199 death, they would change also. So it's funny that you brought it up 1089 01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:14.479 in that aspect of it, because everybody should be able to grasp this. 1090 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:19.560 That then we're on the Gegorian calendar is because the Devil and Daniel seven twenty 1091 01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:24.760 five. I think it is said the anti Christ would think to change times 1092 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:28.359 and laws, and that is just what the Church did. They changed the 1093 01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:32.600 Ten Commandments. If you read the churches Ten Commandments, they took out remember 1094 01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:35.319 to keep holding the lords there or something like that, and they put in 1095 01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:40.600 they split up the tenth commandment, all should not cover thy neighbor's goods, 1096 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:44.239 and deal should not covert thy neighbor's wife. The Ten Commandments of the Catholic 1097 01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:49.119 religion is different than what you read the Ten Commandments in the Bible. So 1098 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:56.199 it's just just an interesting, interesting concept that Easter has to have a season 1099 01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:04.680 in order for the Sabbath Saturday and worship Sunday to work out where if you 1100 01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:09.159 go by a large calendar, he died on Passover, he was in the 1101 01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:13.439 tomb the next day, which would have been preparation day or no, he 1102 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.439 was in the two on the Sabbath, So he died on the Passover that 1103 01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:18.880 was sixth day to a week. He was in the two on the Sabbath 1104 01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:21.479 the seventh day to a week, and he rose on the first day to 1105 01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:28.600 a week. But that's different than every seven day gay count. Did that 1106 01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:30.680 make sense to you? One hundred percent? It made sense to me. 1107 01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:34.640 And that leads me into my next question, which is we spoke about kent 1108 01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:38.840 Hovan already. I want to talk about a little bit about ken Ham, 1109 01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:42.159 who's been on the radar a little bit lately, especially in our neck of 1110 01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:45.319 the woods with flat Earth. Here's a guy who has debated Bill and I, 1111 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:49.319 the science guy on creationism. Now he does stand against evolution and the 1112 01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:54.039 big bank theory. However, this is the guy, by the way, 1113 01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:59.479 that created the arc encounter in Kentucky. Our friend of the show. Josh 1114 01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:03.560 from Foundered Earth Brothers went down there to visit and kind of talk to him 1115 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.439 about flat Earth, and they were actually that day he shout out, they 1116 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:13.880 were having a supposium about how flat Earth is definitely not part of the deal. 1117 01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:18.520 So this guy is all about creationism as the Bible says, but not 1118 01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:24.479 a flat Earther. And moreover, they're very They didn't even let them talk. 1119 01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:31.279 They didn't treat him very well. So that goes back to if we're 1120 01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:35.840 going to push creationism how it's written, why can't some people like ken Ham 1121 01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:43.000 see the bigger picture. All I can say is, I mean ken Ham 1122 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:48.319 just like he's probably more known than we are, but just like anybody else, 1123 01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:54.399 he's in his walk with the Lord. He's where God has him or 1124 01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:58.279 wants him, or just of certain aspects of his life, he's there. 1125 01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:00.439 I guess all I can say we have to pray for him that guy would 1126 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:03.560 open up his mind and heart. And I think that was my prayer earlier 1127 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:10.479 before this, that anybody either listens to this, that to our conversation we 1128 01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:14.279 bring people closer to the Lord, and that through that they will find truth 1129 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:18.079 as we have found truth and I'm sure there's more truth for us to find, 1130 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:21.960 and all he can do is probably put ken him on my prayer list 1131 01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:28.119 of one of the truth seekers. Yeah, and the reason I brought that 1132 01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:32.079 up was because, I mean, the whole big thing that everybody goes down 1133 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:40.479 there for is for the arc exhibit. And the Bible's very clear about how 1134 01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:44.399 he flooded the earth. It didn't there wasn't some clouds that rolled in and 1135 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:48.680 it just started raining everywhere. He literally opened the windows of the firmament. 1136 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:56.359 Right now, I think it's difficult when you hear someone I'll give you an 1137 01:25:56.359 --> 01:26:00.720 example. Some of these people that I met from Australia matter Monsure. I 1138 01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:03.800 mean, I gotta tell you, so gifted when it comes to his studies 1139 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:10.520 that God has given him, still doesn't believe in the flatter that makes fun 1140 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.039 of me when I talk about it. I mean we have a joking relationship 1141 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.720 about it, sure, and I think he's gonna come around it and that. 1142 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:17.960 But I mean, these are people that are just so well educated, 1143 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:26.159 so impressive with their Bible knowledge, and yet don't see it. Do you 1144 01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:30.279 think some of it goes back to just the psychology of how much effort the 1145 01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.880 people who basically work under Satan, if you want to call him that, 1146 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:38.039 the controllers, how much effort they put into the flat earth to make it 1147 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:43.000 what it is today, the stigma that it is to so many people very 1148 01:26:43.079 --> 01:26:49.880 much. So agreed. What other questions did I have other than I think 1149 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:54.199 you touched on it? The sun su when and the sun to s when, 1150 01:26:54.239 --> 01:27:00.800 the mockery with that heliocentrism, how the sun and helos centrism is the 1151 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.279 center of the world, where we believe the son Jesus Christ is the center 1152 01:27:05.319 --> 01:27:11.039 of our world. I think there's a lot of mockery that goes into heliocentrism 1153 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:15.199 very much. So, was there anything that you had to touch on that 1154 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:20.279 we haven't talked about yet? Well, there's probably a lot of things to 1155 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:27.119 touch on, but I thank you for the time. I just pray that 1156 01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:31.840 art moment in time has brought people closer to the truth. And I just 1157 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:38.800 hope that people like ken Ham will come around. I do too, and 1158 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:43.119 they have a very big stage, you know, much bigger than you and 1159 01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.880 I and so many other people in the truth community, and hopefully they will 1160 01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:53.920 because our goal is to get there's a we homeschool and sod to a lot 1161 01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:58.239 of other people and you know that listen to the podcast, and we're hoping 1162 01:27:58.279 --> 01:28:02.800 that we can get someone to have have a homeschool online type of course that 1163 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:10.800 it incorporates creationism and genesis how it is written, and even some of the 1164 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:15.640 better ones that have great math and all these other things that they push ialeocentrism 1165 01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:20.199 and NASA and all these other things which really leaves a bad taste in our 1166 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:25.159 mouth. So we're hoping that the people who I don't believe he's been he's 1167 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:28.520 by I want to make it clear. I don't think he's being nefarious about 1168 01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:31.319 it, right. I just think that and we were all at that point 1169 01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:33.840 of our life where we would hear the words flat earth and just kind of 1170 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:36.520 like, oh, okay, we're going to fall off the edge of the 1171 01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:40.680 earth. Right, So we can only hope and pray that some of these 1172 01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:45.880 people who do have a much bigger voice than we do come around and spread 1173 01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:51.079 the word. Amen to that, and I will leave you with the stage 1174 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:59.239 for any final thoughts are well. I yes, again, it's basically a 1175 01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:03.600 prayer God open softens the minds and hearts of all his people out there, 1176 01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:10.920 that we all can come to the Truth and just work for as his end 1177 01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:15.039 time people, because we do know the time is short. Amen to that. 1178 01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:18.960 And it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the podcast tonight, and 1179 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:24.359 I'm sure you'll get a lot of people reaching out to you with many many 1180 01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:30.600 questions and continued success with your website, Family for Truth dot WordPress dot com. 1181 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:34.760 And all those links, including Bud's email address, will be in the 1182 01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:39.960 show description. Make sure you check them all out. But thank you again 1183 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:43.640 for your time. I greatly appreciate it, and thank you to all the 1184 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:47.920 listeners who have reached out and said such kind things. We continue to build 1185 01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:51.319 our little community here and bring people on and kind of share the knowledge, 1186 01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:56.319 right And that's the great thing. We all pull something from each other, 1187 01:29:56.359 --> 01:30:00.399 and I think that's what makes this really a great experience. So half of 1188 01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:03.159 Bud and myself, I want to thank everyone, and God bless you all. 1189 01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:06.199 And until the next time we meet, my friends, we will see you