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the intelligent thing to do. We're
taping on June eighth. Is an eighth

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or ninth? Let me check the
calendar. It's June eighth, so that

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To say that race has played a
role in American society since its very inception

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would be a gross understatement. So
much of what we are as a country

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is colored while by color. In
the four hundred year plus years since African

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slaves were first imported to the nascent
Jamestown settlement in what would become Virginia,

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we have struggle to either completely create
or even manage a truly equitable society.

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Certainly, strides have been made at
the cost of hundreds of thousands of American

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lives. Remember the Civil War,
and African Americans continue to struggle with burdens

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simply not experienced by white folk in
almost every significant social category. Yet the

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African American experience is rich in history
American history. Few modern Americans can trace

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their connection to this country for more
generations the nose of African descent or have

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contributed more to its growth. Despite
the efforts of many bigoted state legislatures to

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censure the efforts to truly understand our
history and the role that race continues to

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play in it, there are those
who will not be silenced and will always

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tell their stories. Joining us is
now such a man. He's been a

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guest before, and we welcome back
mister Wilbert Aldrich, a regional director for

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the n double ACP based here in
Nyack. Mister Aldris, thank you for

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joining us once again. On being
frank, Thank you for having me.

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It's wonderful to be here. I
want to talk a little bit about the

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history you know in my preamble,
if you will, a lot to cover

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there, But African Americans have made
a tremendous amount of created a tremendous amount

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of history in America, and it's
often lost or misplaced. One of the

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efforts to recover some of that history
is through the holiday known as Juneteenth.

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Could you please explain to us what
is the history behind that the date and

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what is its significance today? All
right? Juneteenth is as our historical event

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because it marks the last group of
African Americans who were informed that they were

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free. And this occurred in Texas. As you know, we did not

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have telephones, telegraph, or internet
or any of that kinds of thing during

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that period in our history, so
therefore everything was done by word of mouth.

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So it took almost ten years for
that information to get to all of

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the slaves in Texas to know that
they're free. The significance is, until

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we're all free, none of us
are free. So at that point that

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meant that those people in Texas joined
all of the other numerous numbers of African

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Americans throughout this country who knew that
they were free and then had to make

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a choice, a choice to whether
to leave their masters or stay under different

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circumstances, but remained where they were. So that's the last group, that's

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the significance for us. The significant
is that we don't want to forget nor

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do we want to leave anyone behind
as far as making sure that equality is

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there for everyone. Now people think
of the Emancipation Proclamation signed by President Abraham

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Lincoln in eighteen sixty three, my
memory serves me correctly, but in a

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sense, until the war was one, it really was just a piece of

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paper. If people were not to
were not to observe it. And again,

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a price was paid, a toll
was paid in blood. H And

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it's amazing that it still took ten
years, and even with the significance of

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again words in practice, obviously it's
taken even so much longer, particularly in

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the South, but everywhere in this
country in terms of elevating people of color,

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particularly African Americans, to a level
of equality. So I think that

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and today, and it's a theme
that I want to get into a little

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bit later on, there seems to
be a movement to squash some of that

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history. And I'm not sure why. Why Why are people afraid of the

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truth. I mean, the truth
is of the emancipation problem, that the

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truth is that it took ten years
for all the slaves to be truly free.

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Why are so many people afraid to
share that as it is the truth.

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It makes us whole in terms of
what we are. No one is

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perfect, no country is perfect,
So why should we apply to truth your

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feelings. Well, the Emancipation Proclamation
was you're correct, just a document.

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But as you know, the Constitution
starts with we the people. At that

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point in time, African Americans were
not considered people. We were one third

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of a person. So therefore we
the people really did not apply to African

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Americans. That only apply to white
folks and mainly European folks. Why are

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we so reluctant because we are very
We are very comfortable discussing the Holocaust.

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No one says we can't talk about
that. We don't want to discuss that

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at all. That's not I mean, you do have some crazy people that

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say it didn't happen, but we
don't have a problem discussing it. The

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reason I believe we have a problem
discussing anything pertaining to discrimination, racism,

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or race in general is because that's
a stain on the flag of America and

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we don't want we wanted to appear
that we've always been the perfect people.

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Certainly done nothing to anyone that would
be to the extent of slavery is there.

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So therefore, if we can,
if we can quail the discussion,

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then in essence it didn't happen,
and we all know it did. So

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I mean, it's only if there's
a minority group of people who I think

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fall into that category that don't believe
slavery happened. But there are those that

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really just don't want to discuss it, and we are very quick to some

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people are very quick to say,
well, that has nothing to do with

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me because I didn't slaves, but
many of your ancestors did. And it's

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acknowledging a wrong is one way of
correcting a wrong. You know, it's

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those perfect segue into my next question, and it's been hotly debated, and

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I think it fits right into our
discussion and as reparation. Okay, there

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are many people, not only African
Americans, but other whites as well,

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who feel that certainly, certainly some
institution oh monetary amounts literally their success,

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their growth to the labor of slaves, and it's time to compensate the descendants

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of those people properly for the work
that was taken from them to build some

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of these institutions. Of course,
that's a controversial point of view for many

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people. The argument on the other
side, even I could make as a

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as a second generation American, where
my family only came in the early part

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of the twentieth century, so obviously
we're not directly involved. But I understand

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that as a society we use things
that are built, and we're built literally

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on slave labor. How do how
do we compensate for that? What are

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what are your thoughts on reparation?
My thoughts, My thoughts are all over

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the place when it comes to reparations. You have as much as time.

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Because I firmly believe that some sort
of um, some sort of payment should

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be made to African American descendants who
were captive and enslaved and did all the

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work to develop this country. Some
sort what that is, I'm not really

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sure. Does it have to be
monetary, I'm not sure. Does it

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have to be something else? Yes, Well, if you've acknowledged and the

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country has acknowledged and apologized for slavery, then in that essence, you then

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are obliged to do something to assist
those who were put at a disadvantage because

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of that, and the reason I
say that is because slavery ended, blacks

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continued to work, and yes,
they were paid in many instances after slavery,

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and I'm talking about way long after
slavery, they were given salaries.

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However, as we know, in
many instances even today, black folks are

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not paid at the same rate as
white men. So that because of slave

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avery, because of the fact whites
owned blacks, even today there is the

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decisive disadvantage two blacks are because because
of that, in other words, that

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there is something to be said pertaining
to those who have an advantage, which

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are white people, and those who
are put at a disadvantage in many,

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many different ways, which are black
people. Even when it comes to voting,

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you know, no white person has
any obstacles placed in their way to

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cast their ballot about anything that can't
be said pertaining to people of color as

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far as voting is concerned, which
our democracy is based upon. You instos

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are perfect. Again, another perfect
segue into a term a specter. If

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you will have a term that does
you hear all the time, and I'm

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not sure people understand, would you
help us to understand, Jim Crowe,

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where does it come from? What
does it mean? You hear it often

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again that it's reared as ugly head. I'm not sure people actually understand what

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Jim Crow is. Can you explain
it to us and what it means to

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to a black man. Jim Crow
is the second cousin of slavery. Jim

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Crow are people who think they are
superior two people of color, specifically,

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Jim Crowe is a method of holding
someone down and not allowing them to thrive.

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Now, there are those that will
say, but African Americans have made

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a lot of of m they have
been advanced a lot in manimented different ways.

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That's true in some instances, but
that does not mean that they have

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the same privileges as though as white
people. There are certain privileges that go

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along with whites that whites believed they
have and therefore they receive. Well,

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give us an example of if you
if you can, if you will Jim

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Crow in practice today in today's society. Again, you hear it all the

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time. Can you give us a
practical example of how Jim Crowe is practiced

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anywhere in the country. Oh,
too many. If you look, I'll

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say, if you look at many
of your boards and committees within the towns

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throughout Rockland and throughout the country,
and most instances there they are headed.

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And they're also only white males on
those boards. Now they will allow some

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white females to come on there,
but they don't even Jim Crowe are those

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people that go in those boardrooms,
look around down and everybody in that room

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looks like them, and nobody says, wait, where are the people of

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color? That's Jim Crow. So
in other words, they're saying it's it's

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not necessarily illegal for blacks to be
there, they're just not welcome there and

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they're not there. In other words, it's a system that perpetuates itself.

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We didn't say it couldn't come.
Of course, you're not welcome here,

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but we didn't say it didn't come. So it's it's sort of like done

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if you will under the table.
Is that right? I'll give you an

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example. I've been in this business
for almost sixty years of dealing with racism

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and discrimination and trying to ensure that
people are treated fairly. Only this in

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the past month, for the first
time, did I receive a call from

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a Caucasian male asking me, is
there a reason that people of color,

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specifically black people are not in the
American Legion. Do they have their own

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group instead of which, no,
they do not, is the answer.

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And what my response to him is, is there a reason that the American

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Legion has not reached out to blacks
and other people of color to secure them

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coming into their organization In most instances, when you do not see anyone of

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color, then that means in most
instances, it will indicate that people of

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color field that you don't want them, or they don't or they're not welcome.

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Just fascinating, and it's just perfectly
segues into my next question, Affirmative

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action. Again another hotly debated with
good valid points. I said, I

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believe it might have been sixty minutes
on CBS at a very interesting point because

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it's being challenged in many instances.
It was challenged it hard in many other

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top schools, and now it's a
conservative Supreme Court having fully heard that all

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the cases but are moving in that
way. And the gentleman who's fighting against

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it again it makes a good solid
point and has had to withstand calls calling

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him a racist, et cetera.
But if you hear his argument, it's

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a legitimate argument. As they used
an accounterbalance an African American college professor who

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then argued for affirmative action and the
importance of creating, as you were saying,

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in an environment where minorities are comfortable
in being there. But that's their

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point of view. I need to
hear yours. What are your feelings on

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affirmative action? Please, Well,
my point of view is not too far

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from that gentleman's point of view.
I think the purpose of affirmative action was

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to assist and develop equality. That
was the purpose to provide an equalness in

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this country. I do not believe
that at this stage in life and in

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this country, that we can say
that all things are equal. Affirmative action

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was one of the ways to be
able to ensure that. When we had

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affirmative action, and I mean real
affirmative action, they they they've kind of

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dismantled it. However, it really
hasn't gone away. But what they took

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away was any reporting system. So
therefore you have no way of knowing whether

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you have people of color in positions
or not other than in your little small

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world that you live in. So
affirmative action gave an advantage many people in

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African Americans would not be in the
position that they're in. It's professionally,

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especially if it was not for affirmative
action. And I'll tell you what happened.

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I worked at Luxworth Village in the
sixties. There was not one person

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of color in the sixties and administration. There was not one person of color

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on mid level supervision incomes affirmative action
when I left, when I transferred from

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one facility to another. When I
left Luxworth, there were people of color.

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And administration there were people of color. And human resources there were people

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of color and mid level supervisory positions
tent passed ten years past when they eliminated

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affirmative action. I don't even know
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now no people of color in administration, very few people on the mid level.

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So you tell me whether affirmative action
is needed. When they developed committees

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and boards because of affirmative action,
they were required to ensure that people of

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color were on boards and committees.
Once that didn't there was no longer that

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requirement. It reverted back to what
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up, please continue. I mean, and so I think it speaks for

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itself. Now there are can you
say that there's been no everything went back.

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Now, I won't say everything went
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those things did and no longer was
because no one was concerned any longer as

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to whether people of color were placed
in those positions or not. And the

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disadvantage is to everybody because now you
don't get the view and the opinion of

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of a segment of the population that
you do expect to pay taxes, and

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that you do you claim that you
serve. But see that's that old master

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syndrome where I am serving the people, but I'm doing what I want to

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do. As far as the people, I'm not going to ask the people

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what they want. I'm just presuming
to know what they need and want.

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For argument's sake, in this particular
case, what would you say to someone

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who says, well, no one
is stopping you. The the African American

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community is not involving itself. No
one says they can't, They're just not

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interested in in those positions. What
would you say to someone who says sometimes,

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I'd say, how would you know
that if you have not gone out

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and try attempted to secure people of
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have not made the attempt to ask
and secure them to come in. How

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would you know that they don't want
to do it? And the other piece

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of it is, in most instances, these committees and boards, most people

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don't know when their openings or when
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therefore that but see that's about design
also because if I don't know that there's

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an opening, I don't how would
I know to come and ask you about

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it? You're listening to being Frank, where the only way to be is

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Frank. I'm your host, Frank
Labono, and my special guest receiving with

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them more intelligent conversation is n double
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it's necessary, mister Audre. We
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community, particularly gun violence. And
I did a little research, and I

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have the statistics, and let me
just say that they're staggering at the effect

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that gun violence is happening, particularly
in the black communities. Why, what

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is driving it? And then ultimately
what can we do about it? Again,

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I could read the statistics, believe
me, they're they're just staggering in

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comparison once again to whites. And
white communities. It's just against the great

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majority of gun violence is with black
people, of violating other black people.

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So what's happening there and what can
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can give you some answers. But
if I had the magic bullet for that,

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we'd be I'd be, I would
be wealthy, and it would be

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all over. I don't have that. I can certainly give you some of

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my thoughts pertaining to it. I
will equate the gun violence in the African

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American community the same as when the
drugs first started coming into this country.

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Where was it? Where were they
deposited in the African American community. But

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it wasn't African Americans that went out
and got the j brought them into you.

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But that's where they were pocketed.
Okay. Now the same as with

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the guns. The guns are coming
and they're using them because somebody is supplaying

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the to them. I don't know
of any African Americans other than OPRAH that

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would have enough money to go out
and purchase enough guns to distribute within the

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African American community to create this kind
of um environment. But the use of

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those things are really stemming from the
lack of resources for many of the people

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that live in those communities. It
is not you don't you don't find You

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may hear of it on occasion and
in communities in the suburb, but not

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often, you know, not in
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the same extent. What can be
done about it? One is we could

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really, just like we've had the
war on drugs, we need a war

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on weapons. And one of those
things would be if Congress would set up

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some rules, some laws in which
these gun manufacturers could not produce. There

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is no one that needs an AK
what seven whatever the number is rifle in

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this there's no read, no reded
for it. The only ones that should

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have the availability that are people in
the armed forces. But and they don't,

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and they won't even now in this
instance. They won't even do it

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for their own people. If you
look at the number of mass shootings in

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this country, very few of them, if any, have been committed by

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African Americans or people of cold It's
an interesting phenomenon. Yes, it is.

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Until research. We may shoot at
each other and in the process injure

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some people or kill some people,
which is if I might jump in because

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they think it's an important point here
that if if the and we are shocked

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by the by the mass shootings,
particularly in schools, done by by whites,

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and we just talked about this statistically
supports our argument there. But but

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I see it all. If the
same kind of carnage that's happening in the

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black communities was what's happening in the
white community, don't you think a lot

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more would be be being done to
control the violence and the and the guns

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and the and the amount and the
power that are available. To me,

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it's almost as if they're saying,
you know, the NRA, and as

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long as you keep in the black
community, just keep will keep supplying all

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the guns you want, they're out
there. If that were the case in

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the white community, I can't imagine
it being the same your thought. If

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you remember, the war on drugs
didn't begin until drugs started filtering into the

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white community and they starting to be
white overdoses by white people within the white

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community, and then there was the
war on drugs. Now, I'm not

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gonna say that that war on drugs
was successful because I don't believe it was,

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but there was still an attempt made. Yes, you're right, No,

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it won't. It probably won't do
anything until until such time as that

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starts happening on a regular individual kind
of basis rather than just the mass shootings.

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But it is amazing to me that
other folks can't see it. I

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am not the dimnest bub on the
block, but I'm also not the brightest

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bulb on the block. So those
people that are in Congress are supposed to

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be intelligent. For people who are
there to be able to use some foresight

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and try and get ahead of this. But if you're not willing, if

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you're running, look, that's why
I believe there needs to be more reformed

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as far as um Uh running for
office. If you're taking money from gun

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lobbyists, obviously you're not going to
be able to vote without being biased,

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and you're going to protect that.
So there should be something forbidding the money

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coming. If it's not money gifts, you know, whatever it is that

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you're getting u from any in any
of the gun manufacturers, there should be

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something that should just be outlawed,
because that's that's absolutely ridiculous. The fault,

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the fault of that lies there now. And you know, there's more

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than one way to commit genocide.
So if I'm not there for every black

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person I'm knocking off, that's a
vote that I don't have to worry about.

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Well, interesting point, um,
and and what's your thoughts? Recently

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the poet laureate to be a beautiful
young woman Amanda Gorman and had her poem

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band in Florida. Um. A
single parent complained and uh and had the

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poem band. Her response I thought
was beautiful your thoughts on that? And

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what's happening there? This country has
gone crazy when it comes to a lot

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of things. It's freedom. I
guess freedom of speech is only reserved for

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some people, not everybody. But
if then there's another group that banned.

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There's trying to ban the Bible,
you know, because of violence in the

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Bible. There's another group they where
where do when did we start banning any

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kind of material? Are we so
afraid of other people's philosophy that ours won't

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stand up against it? We?
There was they were the group in the

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NAACP. There was a school districts
tried Northromlin who wanted to bring in an

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activists. What's your name Angela Davis? Yes, Angela Davis. The story

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the district went ballistic, so they
had to pull back. Well, the

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young it was young people who wanted
her, So the NAACP NIAT picked it

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up and brought Angela Davis. Are
we so afraid of someone else's philosophy being

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told that our philosophy is it's not
good enough? I believe our democracy,

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belief in democracy can stand up against
anything. I just don't see that one

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individual's philosophy is. But we My
point is we are not. We have

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gotten to the point that we are
so afraid. That's why we don't talk.

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We want to talk about black district. That's why we don't want to

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talk about gays LGBT, That's why
we don't want everybody. The only reason

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I can think of is fearful of
what it's going to do to our young

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people. Well, if you've raised
your child and tort your child, I

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would hope that training could stand up
against anything. But that's you want a

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reason, that's the reason, because
it's all out of fear, fear of

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what. I'm not really sure truly
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the n double ACP, Wilbert Aldridge. This is being frank. We're the

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All right, let's get back to our

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intelligent conversation, mister Older. You
made a very good point, I thought

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just before the break too, talking
about how things are connected where we lose

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rights in one area, first it
maybe African Americans, people of color,

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then it's LGBT, etc. With
that in mind and the connection, if

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you will, towards a truly equitable
society. What you're feeling towards the migrants

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and how they've been handled in general
in the country, but also in particular

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killer here in Rockland County as a
state of emergency was declared preventing them from

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coming to a place in the county. It has been since overturned by a

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state court and it's still being argued. But but I'd like to know what

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you're feeling is, especially from an
organization like like yours, which is really

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there to help people, all people
what are your feelings, all right?

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My feelings are my feelings different than
the organization. The NAACP took no stance

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on this at all, and the
reason for that being that we are firm.

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We are a firm believer in things. You need a plan. You

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know, when you do things haphazardally, people get hurt. And while we

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firmly believe in the equal rights of
every citizen, we're talking about people who

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are not citizens and versus the rights
of people who are. In some instances,

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my concern is that there was never
a plan. New York City signed

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an agreement and established themselves as a
sanctuary city, but that's all they did.

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They didn't do anything in preparation for
the possibility of people coming, and

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that's where the size and neither did
the federal government. And therein lies where

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poyer of the problem lies. And
these poor individuals have been caught in the

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middle of this. My thing,
my feeling is, since they're here,

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the person to blame for most of
this would be the governor from Texas,

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because he shifted those people out knowing
that no one was going to be prepared

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for the number of people that ahead. The other things very interesting is Initially

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when he started sending them out,
he only sent them to cities where they

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were black mayors. Interesting, yes, yes, now that you mentioned it,

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that's true, that's fact, but
we don't have it. But there's

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no racism here here, okay now, But once they're there, Mayor Adams

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then gets punished or criticized because these
people are here and he's trying to help.

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What was he supposed to do?
What alternative did he have to sending

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them to Rockland, Orange or wherever? Some of them he didn't put them

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all in the buses, in all
of them here. He was trying to

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just spread it out so that the
people would have a place to sleep,

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eat, bathe and was going to
pay for it. So are we are

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we saying that there was nothing.
Let me give you an example, and

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this is is real simplistic. When
when they had the war over in um,

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the war started in Ukraine, people
were flown into America from you from

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Ukraine and people took them in.
Now that's immigrants coming in, right.

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No one said that they didn't belong
here now and they did not come in

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through the normal channels. So now
when it's people of color who are coming

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in, all of a sudden,
you don't belong here, and your your

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criminals and and rapists and all kinds
of labels were placed upon these people who

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probably have done none of that,
certainly the majority of madden. So what's

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the difference. Where where is the
difference? I don't I don't know where

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the difference is other than color.
Well, I was gonna say you were

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like both no and being a descendants
of dark people Sicilian immigrants who had their

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own share of prejudice because they were
among the dark races. It always seems

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to be the darker races that bear
the brunt of racism in this country.

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And I don't understand. I mean, but I frank, But then I

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go back, and this is not
part of what you were saying. But

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now I'm gonna throw it. You
brought it up. I'm gonna throw it

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back at you. Those same dark
folks that came here and suffered your folks,

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right, then turn and discriminate against
people of cold right, It's happened

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to sure, But what is it
about human nature that makes us say,

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okay, we have to discriminate against
somebody, somebody has to be lower than

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us. That that I mean?
You see the casts in the system in

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India where there it's it's it's not
necessarily unique just to us or the tribal

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system. Do you belong to our
tribe? If you don't, we don't

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want you, We don't like certainly
part of the human experience. But it's

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always been interesting to me how certainly
the darker your skin is, the more

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you seem to be punished or it's
just especially since all people originate from black

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people. It's great when you stop
and you think about it makes your it's

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been. But I'll say that the
same as within within the African American community,

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there are people. The darker you
are, it's not as as prevalent

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as some and some other communities,
such as when you mentioned the Indian community,

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but the lighter you are, so
it used to be the quote unquote

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better. Those were those even doing
slavery, the people that were working in

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the big house where the light skinned
African Americans, the dark sk in African

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Americans were relegated to the field.
So somewhere in there there is this human

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nature that wants to somebody has to
be better than someone else, and therefore

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the advantage is given to certain people
and not to others, Are we heading

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in the right direction? I mean
we certainly advances have been made, but

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it seems every step forward at least
a step and a half of not two

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steps backward. It seems that way. What are your thoughts? Are we

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going in the right direction? We're
going in the right direction because there's there's

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room for change and I and there
has been change, now, how how

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a change is slow and people are
certainly very Change is not something that most

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people adapt to instantaneously, you know, So that's it. I think the

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years of forty five in the office
put us back twenty years and attitudes pertaining

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to individuals and people don't realize that, you know. I was I sit

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on a zoning board and there was
a community that was trying to open a

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synagogue. And the comments that were
made, the first thing out of the

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people's mouth when they came to talk
about it was I'm not prejudiced, But

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now what does that tell you?
And the comments that were made were the

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same comments and types of comments that
were made when blacks were moving into all

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white neighborhoods. I don't know if
they remember it, but I distinctly remember.

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I've been here for all that,
so I remember every bit of it.

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Every comment that was made was like
a pen and sticking somewhere on my

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arms or somewhere because it was the
exact same thing. But do not print

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of this. Yeah, some of
my best friends are another catch, some

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of my best friends are but you
know, yeah, But to answer your

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question, yes, I think we're
moving in the right direction. I think

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it's hard to steer the ship.
It's harder to steer the ship in that

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direction. But it's moving and those
folks are going to have to get used

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to the fact that it's moving and
adapt to the changes that are coming.

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Well, you mentioned forty five a
former president to Trump, and since you

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did, we might as well say
it here now. And I always think

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of the of the quote from Martin
Luther King of the art of justice is

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long, and sometimes it takes a
while to get to the end of it.

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But we were just informed that former
President Trump has been criminally indicted and

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must appear in front of a federal
grand jury. I believe it's tomorrow.

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We're at some point this week,
and of course, as I mentioned,

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we're taping on the eighth of June. So anyway, a little breaking news

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at the same time, so it
all kind of fits fits together. I'm

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sharing no tears. Yeah, you
and I both that wasn't necessarily the topic,

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but uh, we're okay, you
know, you know. Really again

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a topic for another day. But
for me, it's just no one is

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above the law. It's so important
as a tenant of this country that no

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one, no one is above the
law. And it's it's finally good to

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say that maybe we're actually living up
to one of our deals, not just

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talking. Remember we talked, you
know, the mansapace and proscamation is just

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words if you don't act upon them. You know, no one is above

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the law, just words if we
don't treat it as such. So it's

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great. I want to thank you
so much, Will but Aldrich for for

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your intelligent conversation. This was just
brill and I really enjoyed it. Well,

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thank you for being here. I
always enjoy coming. That's why I've

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never told, you know, because
it's really a time for me to get

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out some of the stuff that I
mean, not say necessarily somewhere else,

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but this is a chance to get
it out, and talking, frankly,

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is what I like to do as
long as truthful. Well, that has

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to be one of the best commercials
ever. Thank you so much, because

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that's really what it is about.
I want people to come here and they

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want them to be Frank too,
So thank you so much, mister Oldridge.

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You will always be welcome here on
Being Frank. Thank you, and

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always driving the bus for us at
its out well and like many mistakes,

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so we appreciate that. And of
course special thanks to our listeners who take

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the time to give us a voice
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And as my tradition, I'd like

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to leave you with two last little
nuggets. One is from the poet laureate

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Amanda Gorman, who says there is
always late if we're brave enough to see

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it, if only we're brave enough
to be in good words to live by.

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That's some really great music. John
Selley on vocals and Peter Danish does

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all the instruments. It's it's terrific
song, very appropriate for our show tonight.

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It's called the Age of Outrage.
I'm your host, Frank Labono.

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This has been being Frank. We're
the only way to be is Frank.

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Thanks again for listening. We'll catch
you next week, certainly, hope.

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So these are the times s where
true long the d These are the days

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where facts no longer comes beyond listen
to voices, sweet greenwell and all the

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let's get shut down the limit,
India, your fabriage. You can't just

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keep stirring apart. You're in us, so you're against us, one of

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us, so you're not You can
do the right thing. Ninety nine times

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out of the heart tries. But
the one time is sa is the one

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will judge you by someone so much
smarter than me, saying you got to

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be its heart to hate when it
seems to me we've had a very very

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good teacher. I just prayed to
God it's not too late. We're living

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in the age and by rage and
came on this case in the heart you're

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either so your text us. You're
in the water so you're not. You

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can take the right thing nighty nine
times under heart dre tries, but for

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long time you slip is the water
whe judge you by get this crazy?

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Why did we let so far?
When did we get so frazy? You

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take a look given me to you
by rage people News keep starring the you'll

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be the way your against us.
You can do the right thing ninety nine

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times tries Liver is the one real
judge by judge By This is Hudson River

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