1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:06,240 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the plan The Apes Retrospective, 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,640 the penultimate episode of the Planet Apes Retrospective. My goodness, we've went 3 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:13,839 on quite a journey. We're almost nearing the end of it. I'm the 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,280 clown Prince of Apes trust now, and I'm joined by I'm the writer kirklam 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:24,280 Patzer. I am the brother Tynorfield Brother. Okay, so yes, we 6 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:29,000 have done every Apes of the originals. We did the remake last week or 7 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:31,359 whenever you listen to this if you're on Patreon, could have been again this 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,320 months earlier. Head over there episodes ad free early exclusive, join our calling 9 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:39,960 show after nine, vote on things, lots of great stuff and the more 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,240 you support that feed that channel, the more you support us so we can 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,439 do more shows like Retrospective, like side Quest, additional newscast, etc. 12 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:49,640 So we thank you very much and you can do all that everything you know 13 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:53,399 it's down below. So we've reviewed all Apes films and we are now here 14 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:56,920 to dawn. So this is the second one of the trilogy. Button not 15 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:00,960 directed by Rupert Wyatt. He left because I finally had the trivia where they 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,280 gave him a date and he's like I don't think I can hit that date, 17 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:07,239 so like I'll bow out, and then he bowed out. They got 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,439 Matt Reeves and then they end up delaying the movie like a different date, 19 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,480 so like, come on, you can, but this is like Matt Reeves 20 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:19,680 like, uh, pre this and Batman, like at this point he had 21 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,879 done Cloverfield and Let Me In, which I like those movies, but they 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,959 weren't like movies. They weren't God. They're not God here though, But 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:32,120 I just wonder if maybe it's like the building stage. I just wonderup why 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,519 it's like a little little salty, you know, like, oh, we 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,079 can't delay it, so sorry whiskey just staring at the well. Yeah, 26 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:41,840 because like it don't get me wrong, it's my experens. Like I think 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,959 both Reeves movies are better than Rise. But it's just like I feel like 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,959 it's been named like Matt Reeves' trilogy, even though like he didn't do that 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,879 first one, but it's just it's just like been adopted into his filmography of 30 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,799 like you must have did it. So it's just like and like ruper Rye, 31 00:01:55,879 --> 00:01:57,599 like he's not been up too much. I remember watching the movie a 32 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,200 couple of years ago, me and Emily saw it. I can't John Goodman 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,280 was in. It was like an alien pandemic movie. We were the only 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,439 ones there. I can't remember. It's something red. I'll get it after. 35 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:13,439 It was like a decent enough movie. But yeah, this is Matt 36 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:16,560 Reeves coming in hot and heavy. Uh, Tarfield, What is your experience 37 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:19,319 the first time you see us? Did you see the theaters? Did you 38 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:21,840 see this another time? And then? What are your thoughts about it? 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,680 Right now? I can't remember the first time I saw this, if it 40 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:30,000 was in theaters or not, but I have seen it in theaters because I 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,520 think I mentioned this in the last me and Briggs. We did both this 42 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:38,159 and the previous one in the theater. It was a huge marathon leaning up 43 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:43,280 to an early like two day release for War for the Planet of the Apes. 44 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,240 So Matt Reeves movies, you guys watched back to back. Yeah, 45 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,560 that was all of them, every single one. Even Yeah, the Matt 46 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,120 Mark Wehlberg one. I would love to have watch, well, the Mark 47 00:02:55,159 --> 00:03:00,439 Wilber one or like Beneath the Apes with Briggs case I remember, I do 48 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,280 miss Briggs when he really hated a movie, he just felt disgusted, like 49 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,639 you could just tell and there was no again through to them. It's just 50 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,240 like, yeah, you're this movie like they the movie was not good to 51 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:14,159 him and that was it. So I would love to have watched one of 52 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,719 these with him or Dylan's dad, because I feel like some of those bad 53 00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:23,120 ones I would have loved to see. I can say with these, there 54 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:29,319 is he definitely multiple multiple times there were tears, tears coming down those cheeks. 55 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:37,039 The same with me too, but right, yeah swamp ass uh. 56 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,879 But yeah, this so this film for me, it's a huge improvement over 57 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:45,719 the last one. I love the introduction to just more of like the world 58 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,240 building here and and the idea that, oh, are humans extinct at this 59 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:53,439 point are they not? And just kind of dealing with things and and the 60 00:03:53,759 --> 00:04:00,479 storyline too and getting this this new problem for for ape characters, whereas the 61 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,039 first one is them just trying to like discover themselves and get out of lockdown 62 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,800 under human control and just live their life. But in this one, it's 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:20,519 interesting the apes in the background come on, but this one it's it's neat 64 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:26,720 to see the division that actually like pops in between the apes and what you 65 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:35,480 see in the previous these Apes men, they're all over my house while you 66 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:41,879 see well you see sortain sort of sort of division happening in the the old 67 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,079 Apes films, not really to this regard, but it's usually just like the 68 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,639 chimpanzees and the gorillas that are kind of like on different ideological paths I guess 69 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:54,360 you could say, in the war and all that kind of stuff. And 70 00:04:54,439 --> 00:05:00,519 this one it's very very cut throat, bloodthirsty, like just with Coba and 71 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,600 what he does. And there's so many moments where I love the score as 72 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,920 well. The score it hit so many peak moments in this movie, but 73 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:12,160 there's other moments where it's just quiet and once seen in particular with Colba, 74 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,680 that's just man like. Even I feel like as an audience member you're just 75 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,879 kind of like nonchalantly just like like chuckling with it, but it just turns 76 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:24,639 to read instantly it's like, holy fuck, Like this is crazy. But 77 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,439 yeah, there are lots of moments in here that I get in teary eyed, 78 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,319 and lots of moments I just love with the action and just the the 79 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,120 intensity and yeah, it's just this is a really really good movie. Yeah 80 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,680 go next, I'll say Kirkland stuff because he's never seen it, so you 81 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,240 know, I'll leave a little anticipation. But yeah, I saw this in 82 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:45,040 the theaters. I feel I feel like this one of the last movies I 83 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:47,240 saw before it became a man, before like I moved out, because I 84 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,079 feel like I saw it either family with the family condition. I'll let you 85 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,879 move out if you watch this movie. Yeah, but I think it's one 86 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,600 of those where it's just like when I lived at home, it felt like 87 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,040 me and my mom, sister and Auntie were always movies together. And then 88 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,079 that is like we tried to sometimes where that like quickly dissipates when you know, 89 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:06,480 his sister gets older and everyone has lives and stuff. But I think 90 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:10,920 that was when the last of that era of just like seeing those movies opening 91 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:15,439 weekend, I think what is there too? So I remember my thoughts back 92 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:17,800 then are the exact same thoughts I have now. This is an incredible movie. 93 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,680 I haven't made a list. I don't know why, like I can 94 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:24,120 name you, like, oh, my top ten horror movies or comic book 95 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,959 movies. I haven't done it with sci fi, and I should because I 96 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:30,360 still put the first plan of the Apes up there, and it's tough because 97 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:33,040 the Apes that first movie is fantastic. It said, it's the groundwork. 98 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:39,600 It definitely tackles a bit more like i'd say, kind of social issues. 99 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,079 There's social issues in this one, but that one's really heavily face on tackling 100 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,399 racism right with. This has aspects to it, but it does get a 101 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:49,079 bit more war driven, and that's where it is more. It's funny because 102 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,160 the next one is called War. But what I love about this film is 103 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,639 all these characters, for the most part, have urgency, and they have 104 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,800 storylines that all make sense, even to like the very end, once he 105 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,439 starts to really turning, Okay, I can't be with him, but for 106 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,000 about two thirds of this movie, you can completely see where he's coming from. 107 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:11,399 You can see where Gary Oldman's coming from, where they just got power 108 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:14,879 back and Apes are invaying their fucking city. Yeah, why wouldn't you want 109 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:16,160 to kill these fucking Apes? Like? They don't make him like, oh 110 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,600 man, I hate these monkeys. He's just like, our town's being invaded 111 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,079 right now. If I can set off this ball to kill them, I'm 112 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:26,120 gonna do this. Caesar, He's just trying his best to lead everybody, 113 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,000 Malcolm, same things, trying his best. Maybe the like the guy that 114 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,519 with the shaved head who's kind of idiot human you know, he's maybe a 115 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:33,720 weak character, but like he need those right and to me, he's like 116 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,720 kind of a reflection of Coba in that same way. So that's why I 117 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:43,439 love that there's so many different storylines going on, but it never feels too 118 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,199 like mashed up. It doesn't feel overwhelming. It feels like they all go 119 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,839 together. I think all of them get their right amount. I think, 120 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:54,800 unlike Will, Malcolm and the human characters feel warranted and needed in this movie. 121 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:57,199 Where Will we said, like, Okay, he's good for the setup, 122 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:00,920 but near the end of the act he's just running along the the Golden 123 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,480 gate Bridge and what's he doing here? Right where Malcolm you never feel he's 124 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,199 out of plays the action. This movie is great and yeah, I don't 125 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,079 know where it is, but this is just a damn good movie. This 126 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,439 is uh, Like, I don't I could just say one of the great 127 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,720 sci fi means all the time, there might be more than it might not 128 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:18,040 be in the top ten because there's you know, we have film for like 129 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,920 eighty years, so there's tons of movies, but it's up there, and 130 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,439 it's one of those that I'm kind of just I don't know why I forget, 131 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,439 because this is what I think made me go, oh yeah. When 132 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:28,319 Matt Reeves was announced for Batman, it's like, oh, we're good. 133 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,399 But every time I watch this movie, including this time, I kind of 134 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,120 just forget how good it is. I think the effects are even better looking. 135 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,000 Of course, there's a few times where it's like, Okay, clearly 136 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,159 not a monkey there, but some of those close ups, man, it 137 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,679 is looking like they just got a move. They like you're watching like a 138 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:46,200 nature doc and stuff. So no, this is a top tier movie. 139 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,120 This is still like and for me, it's just like we'll get into war, 140 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,559 but like this War and The Batman, like man think about like those 141 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,519 three films back to back. Matt Reeves is just like he's cooking with fire. 142 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,879 Well, I guess you always cook the fire. He's cooking with gasoline. 143 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,200 Now He's just like, and I can't wait to see what we get 144 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,720 with The Batman two. Hopefully James gunn DCU, don't don't don't let this 145 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:09,519 skull away, you know so, But yeah, this is is like such 146 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:11,759 a great, great movie, and I love a lot of the other Apes 147 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:16,240 movies, but this is definitely like head and shoulders above a lot of them. 148 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,639 So I throw it over to mister pats Or who you said you'd never 149 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,919 you'd seen Rise, but he'd never gone to Dawn and wore obnestly war will 150 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,120 talk about next time, but where are you on Dawn? Yeah, this 151 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:30,320 was This was a really exciting one to jump into, just for the fact 152 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,799 that I had never seen it before. I had seen like most of all 153 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,200 of the Apes movies before this one. It's been a while since i'd revisit 154 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:41,000 them before this retro, so it's been fun to just do the whole build 155 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,440 up leading into it. And uh yeah, I had high expectations for this 156 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,000 one. I think I probably heard your guys as just you know, brief 157 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:54,039 little mini reviews in passing and like just in past but like also just people 158 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,039 in my day to day that I had asked them on like what Planet of 159 00:09:56,039 --> 00:09:58,960 the Apes movies they had seen, and they always said don was their favorite, 160 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,080 like like definitely, definitely, Uh, just for I don't know, 161 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,919 maybe just the complexity of like the the faction's motivations and some of My favorite 162 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:13,159 stories are the ones that it is somewhere in the gray area, like it 163 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,679 isn't just a super clear this is the good guys, this's the bad guys, 164 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:20,879 and this is the story like like everybody does kind of have their own 165 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:24,519 motivations that make sense and you can totally understand their side of the story. 166 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:30,399 And you know, a great example of that is the Great Princess MONTONOK movie 167 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:33,399 from Studio Ghibli that everybody should see that that is one of my fair moves 168 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:39,000 of all time. And everybody in that movie has their own very reasonable motivation 169 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,759 on why they're trying to get their goal. But you know, maybe we'll 170 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:46,679 do that retro in the future. We'll see. But for this movie, 171 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:52,960 the prod you're gonna see Mike Crack, you know, do a twenty five 172 00:10:52,000 --> 00:11:00,399 dollars Like, who's this guy? You just subscratched for one month? That's 173 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:11,320 it. Never hear from him, Mike ox Long one of those. But 174 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,759 no, sorry, I'm going on tangent here. But for Donna the Plant 175 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,240 of the Apes Man, this movie what a step up even from Rise, 176 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:20,840 Like I I really did enjoy Rise. Uh, there's some minor issues with 177 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,519 with with that movie, but for Dawn, Like it is just such a 178 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:28,600 such a strong step up. I think for all the reasons that you guys, 179 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,000 guys are already listed with just how good this movie looks, as well 180 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,000 as the you know, the reasonable motivations from some of our antagonist characters. 181 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:41,679 I think the fact that it has kind of like a handful of little minifactions 182 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,639 throughout make it really interesting, especially when like we go from their point of 183 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,120 view, whether it's like Gary Oldman talking to Jason Clark's character on just like 184 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,919 how I mean you use the word Travis of just like the desperation that they 185 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,799 have, Like it's not like, Okay, we'll find a way to kind 186 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:03,919 of work around this, Like they are forced to kind of meet this this 187 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,039 force head on, and like if they don't, it's it's extinction. And 188 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,720 it's kind of similar in the ape size, right, like they're super defensive. 189 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:16,200 So I just like the build up of it. I don't know what 190 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,639 the run time is. I'm assuming it's over two hours, but twenty or 191 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,759 something, I don't get it. I think it really just like is smooth 192 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:26,480 though with the pacne like it doesn't really feel like a long movie. I 193 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:30,039 watched this and War back to back, So it was like one long movie 194 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,159 heavy. It was heavy. It was like I was doing a Lord of 195 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:35,759 the Rings marathon or something. But I really liked it that way. Sorry, 196 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,360 ten to ten Okay, so probably two hours with credits pretty much, 197 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,320 so it's not not not super long. Where I think War is that like 198 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:45,919 two and a half hour one that's a bit more so. Yeah, combine 199 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,759 them together and I had a nice solid four and a half hour you're like 200 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,960 brigs in the theaters. But it was a great time. It was a 201 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,879 great time. It's not like it was a slog or anything, but no, 202 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,600 I I think it was really cool to see. Also just kind of 203 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:07,000 like the evolution of the the Apes from Rise and just like how much of 204 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:09,279 a like a strong faction they are now, like they have like their own 205 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:13,759 little city. Obviously, their numbers have just been they've been doing some you 206 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:18,360 know, monkey fun in the wee hours, multiplying their mamm what is it 207 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,080 you, Maavie or nothing but mammals exactly. I also just like absolutely love 208 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,320 the biomes that we're in and in these in these later Apes movies of just 209 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,759 like in like the Lush Forest, it's very different than what the previous ones 210 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:37,919 have done with their man, you know on branches. Yeah, San Francis, 211 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,159 I said this to Emily, like, oh, watch Lord of the 212 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,720 Rings. And I didn't say this there about this one because she didn't watch 213 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,639 it. But older I get. It's just like that idea of always being 214 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,840 off somewhere in the wild, as long as I have the resources and like 215 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,360 could live by, Like I could do it. I could say goodbye it 216 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:56,759 all the attack and everything. It's like same the movies. It's like, 217 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:58,919 of course there's some movies I want to see, but like if I don't 218 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:01,960 movies and whatever, but if I do, it's like we've got a lot 219 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,480 of good movies, you know, Like I'm pretty I'm satisfied. There's a 220 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,360 lots of movies I still have't even seen yet. You know. It's like 221 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,000 I'd be fine to go in the in the branches, you know, doing 222 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,720 a podcast, which is your home theater up in the trees. Some movies, 223 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:16,519 this is the feet of the point we're supposed to see free. I 224 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,720 still need to see The Batman too, you know what I'm saying. But 225 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,000 uh no, I I don't know. I'm gonna try and keep it a 226 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:24,399 little short so we can just dive into the details of it. But this 227 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:28,200 was a really, really great first viewing of this movie, and I definitely 228 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,720 think it met the expectations. There's some minor issues I have, maybe with 229 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:37,440 not necessarily Coba's motivation, but just certain actions that he does. They just 230 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,639 seem like, wow, Okay, we're just going straight to it, and 231 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:46,399 it kind of just I think worked in order to move the plot along less 232 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,320 so than like it really making sense. But you know, we'll get there 233 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,600 when we get there, Like nokba no no, all no, no, 234 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:01,279 that Caesar gets a nose. No, he gets that because when he's beating 235 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,879 the guy, the buzzhead guy, when he has a shotgun. We're just 236 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:07,320 kidding in the movie. So if you haven't seen it, you know it's 237 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,240 ten years now, go go catch up. But so spoilers abound when the 238 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:16,120 buzz guy when he sneaks in the gun and uh Cornelius uh finds it like 239 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:22,720 baby Cornelius. He Caesar beats him down the shotgun and Malcolm says that he 240 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,200 says no, Caesar no. So there's always some ape and the no treatment, 241 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,360 and Caesar takes a little better by just chucking the shotgun out. But 242 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:33,360 yeah, there's I actually don't think it happens in War. I don't think 243 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:35,840 it does. But yeah, I definitely got some all those flashbacks. Anytime 244 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,879 I hear now in my life, I just hear no. If I hear 245 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:46,039 no, oh, I know, yeah, no, GWe no like checking 246 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,600 or heard a look at me like all those what did you say? You 247 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:56,320 tell me no, father zoom in on her face like all the other kids. 248 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,399 He said no, no, no, I didn't mean to swear. 249 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:02,200 Go check out Valve for the plan in the eighties. But yeah, let's 250 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,440 start with Cob because Cobe to me when we do our rankings, it's like 251 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,039 he's like, I'm not trying to swell, but like he's for sure he's 252 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:12,919 no lower I think than two for me as far as villains goes in this 253 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,720 series, because man, he brings it. Shout to Toby Keble, who 254 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,600 Toby Keble an actor who's just been in a lot of stuff that never got 255 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:25,440 to be like he got to be doctor Doom in that twenty twenty fifteenth and 256 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:29,039 as for like, yeah, he's had these roles that just never really work 257 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,000 out. But he's like a really underrated actor. He's a great black mirror 258 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,960 episode. But and also yeah, there's some some visual facts, but most 259 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,559 of it is getting their performance capture. And I love the setup of I 260 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,279 was surprised when we watched Wise because I didn't watch Rise that I've seen Don 261 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,200 the most out of these three, and when Cole was already there. So 262 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,879 I think it's a great continuation of they showed that first movie. Watched them 263 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,399 almost back to back, how he is a bit more violent and he's a 264 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,639 bit more blood thirsty. Right, so already between movies it's like, you 265 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:00,120 know, introducing new apes, like this was set up as this is a 266 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:03,400 character that is a bit more okay, if I need to kill a human, 267 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,359 I will, and it's great too, Like he's the one that's most 268 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,519 banged up. He has scars all over his body. So that moment went. 269 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:11,440 Caesar said something about like, oh, we just got to let the 270 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:15,039 humans work, and he does like human work human and it's great because like 271 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,319 you can see how the other apes would agree with it, because him and 272 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,640 Maurice had that Sorry Caesar, Maurice had that conversation about you know, your 273 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,079 experience is pretty much nothing but good with human where a lot of these apes 274 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,599 have nothing but bad with them, and that's where it's like, that's where 275 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:32,000 Caesar, I think, is a little in a good way for the Braggs 276 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:40,240 human. Yeah, anyone watched scott Father Part one, Part two, part 277 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:45,559 three, all back to back and I did on the Sunday, Yeah, 278 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:52,799 fuck you guys ever played Donkey Kong, but love Donkey Kong. He is 279 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,440 like a little naive that he doesn't really even then like he spent those two 280 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,480 days in the center. It's like that his thoughts just jumped to Will and 281 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:03,160 lift his name, so like he is a little naive to just think, 282 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,119 yeah, it's the humans like they mean well for the most part, and 283 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,279 he I think there's a good bounce with him because he does thread the humans 284 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:11,640 and say you gotta be strong. But I think the whole dichotomy of how 285 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,400 the switch happens with Coba and getting power, I think it's all there and 286 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,640 it's really well done all and I think the ending of the third act, 287 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,400 there's a bunch of other stuff that happens before the turn, but I think 288 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,039 it's just it all makes sense as far as where Coba is coming from another 289 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:30,400 apes too, because obviously Coba's not alone, right he makes the turn, 290 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,759 and even that happens with war where some people stay loyal to Koba, So 291 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,480 it's like it wasn't a oh just him and they went crazy. Clearly there 292 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,839 are other apes that are like, yeah, like fuck these humans, like 293 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,359 why do we even work because they don't they don't have to work with them, 294 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,599 like what do they benefit? Right, But then Caesar has a good 295 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:47,880 point of well it could cause war, and it's like again this great push 296 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,839 and pull between all the characters, no, one hundred percent, and like 297 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,960 having Coba be the most visually like fucked up of the all the apes. 298 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,680 It's it's so interesting because it's not like at the start of the movie he's 299 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,759 straight up like, Okay, we gotta go hunt down any humans, like 300 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,319 like there's probably some out there. Like he it's not like he is the 301 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:14,279 super like war tyrannical type character, but he knows like how far the humans 302 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:18,480 can go in the negative direction, and like an important the movie starts with 303 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:21,640 them shooting when they so it's not like they went after they saw a human, 304 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,000 like let's get them. The humans enact violence first, right, so 305 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:27,519 cos yeah, exactly what the fuck? And a humans the next time we 306 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:30,279 see him after like five years are shooting at us, you know. And 307 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:33,920 I also love that it's not like it's set up that he's trying to overthrow 308 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,759 Caesar like in the beginning, like he's super super loyal this Caesar and act 309 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,920 they are. That's his right hand guy, and it's just totally he's always 310 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,720 like covid do is like you're right. Like, I love that there's no 311 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,359 signs of, oh, I want to be the big guy. It's like, 312 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,960 nope, we're in this together. Yeah. And I love the dynamic 313 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:53,079 between what is it blue Eyes, that's that's his first son, right, 314 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,319 uh, Caesar's Yeah, like the dynamic between him and Koba, it's like 315 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,279 a like a nice, I don't know, loving uncle type relationship that they 316 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:04,200 have some one on one moments. And when he gets fucked up by the 317 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,839 bear, it's like, you know, scars are a nice symbol for I 318 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,240 don't remember what he said, but strength. There's something along those lines. 319 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,000 But he just had like a lot of nice moments. So when the turn 320 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,640 happens, I feel like it's it's that much more like raw because it's not 321 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,200 like a straight up evil character doing an evil acting. You're like, well, 322 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,960 of course that he would do the evil act there, but once the 323 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:30,079 humans start to get a little bit closer and and he's just you know, 324 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,759 completely against just even even being like open to the idea of kind of cooperating 325 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:37,799 with him, Like he knows the full extent of what they can go. 326 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,720 And I think all of that stuff was was fantastic, And even the moments 327 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,599 when when he starts to like be a little bit conniving and like do some 328 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:55,039 things like you know, before that, before that, before that as she 329 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,680 killed ash rocket soun right, yeah, so no, but like when I 330 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:04,039 can't remember what part it was at, but when he finds like the human 331 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:07,359 gun, and then he doesn't tell Caesar that, and then like one of 332 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,440 the other apes is like you didn't tell him that. He's like, well, 333 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,839 you're not going to tell him that either, Like I did, like 334 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,640 how those little yeah, yeah, like all of that's but like it felt 335 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,240 natural, It felt like it was it was paced. Well, it's it's 336 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,319 not like it just happened randomly after they had like a nice bonding moment. 337 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:23,799 So it still doesn't feel like it's going to be like, oh, he's 338 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:26,119 using these guns to get the Apes. It's just kind of like he's keeping 339 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,200 on the down low for now because Caesar are on the best of terms, 340 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,440 so like he's doesn't know what to do this information yet, So no exactly. 341 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:37,400 So all of all of the stuff with Coba in that sense, I 342 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,440 think was ten out of ten perfect. I absolutely love this character. And 343 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:47,160 yeah no, I love the fact that he is just probably the most extreme 344 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,519 out of all the apes because he has the most extreme memories of him, 345 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,640 Like he's so like he's like blind in one eye, like he's got these 346 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,079 just terrible scars all over him. And yeah, no, I like all 347 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,839 that stuff. Some of the issues I had is mostly just like I don't 348 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,759 even think it's necessarily his decisions, but it's just like how they did like 349 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,160 kind of the air quote coup on Caesar when he like he is the one 350 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,519 that just has like the M sixteen it is just like the assassin and then 351 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,319 just just drops the gun with the hat and then he just like slithers off 352 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,000 as if like no one had a chance to see him. Like that was 353 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:21,200 a little bit weaker for me. I think it could have been better if 354 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,960 we actually had like a human be the one that actually kills Caesar because then 355 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:29,319 it because then it's just showing that, like the downfall of this cooperation it 356 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,519 does fall on the humans. I guess you could make the argument that it's 357 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:34,960 like, well, they're also showing that the sorry, the apes are capable 358 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,680 of doing stuff like that as well, which I do see, But I 359 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:41,920 just think the actual details of how that scene went on was a little bit 360 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,319 clunky for me. It was just like, well, of course it's Cova, 361 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,680 that's the sniper assassin, and then slithers off and then comes back around. 362 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,319 It's like, what what happened? Oh no, we gotta go because 363 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:53,119 it takes a long look too, like he just he's in his own home 364 00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:57,799 and he looks down and he sees COVID just on the true just like yeah, 365 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:03,839 and Caesar so like hmm, like he's it's in his hand. And 366 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,119 I guess that's the point that maybe you just take it as he would never 367 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,720 think that the ape is gonna be true that to him, And that's where 368 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,200 they do say that when they get back to Will's house, of like their 369 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,359 apes can be just as bad as human. I thought we were better, 370 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,039 So I do, like I agree there is some clunk to it because they 371 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,880 do that, they set the fire, and and then even then it's just 372 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,680 like I didn't even know if the fire is like necessary, you know, 373 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:27,319 like as that's where I think they almost go too overboard with Coba a little 374 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:32,200 bit being evil as far as like what what is the fire? Like it's 375 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,400 just showing the humans that I guess attack more and just a greate paranorma. 376 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,680 So that's fine, but you know, like adding on to that stuff, 377 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,160 since we're just talking about some of the things that I didn't love about that 378 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:45,079 was specifically like when he does kill ash there, and I just thought it 379 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,279 was so crazy to me that the apes just were not surprised by that because 380 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:51,920 they didn't know that he shot Caesar. So this would have been the first 381 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,680 instance that an ape actually kills an ape and they're just like, Okay, 382 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:59,359 yeah, you just tossed Ash over and I guess we're following COVID now. 383 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,039 It should have been like a human said the no word, like like it 384 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,000 should have been that extreme. I I personally feel like like I think it 385 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,359 should have been like a almost like a mini civil war amongst the apes when 386 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,000 that moment happened, because that's like the one law that they shouldn't do, 387 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,519 and he just tossed an ape over the ledge and it's just like, this 388 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,519 is what we're doing now, and like, I don't know, it just 389 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,160 didn't feel that significant, even though it really should have been because that was 390 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,160 the first time that they would have seen an ape kill in another ape. 391 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,319 Yeah, So that was another one that that bothered me. But I think 392 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,480 I was of two minds where at first I was like, ah, like 393 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,640 yeah, why wouldn't anyone not do anything? But even just like yeah, 394 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,759 like another group of epes, like even Blue Eyes, like you feel like 395 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,319 he started to be like Okay, something's not right here with Koa, you 396 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,680 know. And but I guess where it works for me later on is then 397 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,480 they show all these apes locked up. So I just take it as I 398 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:48,799 don't know when that locking up happened, by just taking it as like, 399 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,799 well, we can't say anything or we're just gonna get, you know, 400 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:56,480 in prison or also killed. So they were just scared because they're not Also, 401 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,160 many these apes are not warriors, right, Like That's why I like 402 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,319 the first scene when they go to war blue Eyes is looking around. They 403 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,880 got that gorilla Luca looking around like it's they're kind of just like amazed, 404 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,960 and like I actually either way around, they're horrified what they're seeing. Even 405 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,720 though it's like apes killing humans, it's still just like the act of them 406 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,839 doing these things is like something they've never done before. So I think it's 407 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,680 just that they're in such a state of shock that, you know, I 408 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,960 guess Ash had to go and that's what Coba feels. But there should have 409 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,720 been maybe a bit more of not rise. But like I said, I 410 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:29,359 guess because more recent all of them get imprisoned, I kind of headcamed, 411 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,119 like, Okay, they just didn't they got scared and didn't know what to 412 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,319 say. But yeah, and then even then, I don't know how I 413 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,480 feel about COVID, but that they gotta make them the clear villain, right, 414 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,519 and that's where he's just gone. He goes too far at the end. 415 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,039 So I think it does a good job at showing how fast this level 416 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,440 of hate can just kind of supersede over making the right decision. Power corrupts 417 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,759 well, yeah, power crops and just them all going like riot mode and 418 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,119 all that kind of stuff. But yeah, Coba is just terrifying villain when 419 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,279 he plays like a dumb monky and he strolls in there and he's laughing with 420 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:02,799 them with the bottle, and then all of a sudden, it just cuts 421 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:08,680 to him just swinging the gun like predator style, like gun guns them down 422 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,519 like it's effortless. That first shot though, and he just like swings it 423 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,160 up and shoots the guy. It's like a great like you don't know what's 424 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,160 gonna happen, And then cut to like thirty minutes there when he's on a 425 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,480 horse, two light machine guns and don't both hands just going for it. 426 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,200 I don't know how you like, you're in this world. You're just trying 427 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,519 to survive. You just got power back on your cheering. You're thinking, 428 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:33,279 all this is where fucking turn it around and you look out your window double 429 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:41,160 fisting ape on a horse. Just especially like at least Gary Oldman, a 430 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,079 couple other people the control center like have an idea like, hey, Malcolm's 431 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,680 working on the power, but there's these apes that could be an issue. 432 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,920 Gary Oldman specifically says, no one knows about this, right, don't tell 433 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,599 them. So the people of this city of whatever broken down San Fran, 434 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,839 like you said, they go from man the powers back on things are looking 435 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,880 up to why are hundreds of apes? That changes though, because I mean 436 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,880 didn't did they not? I thought that people knew because when Caesar shows that 437 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,200 strength of force initially not with war, but like they're all there, that 438 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,440 was that was a fucking bad right, I forgot they show up and that 439 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:21,279 is a good scene. But again I guess they just would not be Uh, 440 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,400 that's not would be the thought, right, Get you're right there, 441 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,720 like you're in the bathroom at the time, you missed the whole and you 442 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,480 see them. Yeah, war, but like yeah, even then if you 443 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,400 think the powanon, it's like, yeah, highest of highs to the lowest 444 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,000 of lows, and they like that's one thing again for the like how horrid 445 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,319 the movie is in a good way, Like some of those the apes get 446 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,240 slaughter and the humans gets slaughter. There's a lot of casualties both ways. 447 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,799 And Coba is just like he's so relentless of making the apes go. There's 448 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,960 even one more where an ape is on a horse and he's not like doing 449 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,279 the best job on it, so Coba just like fucking rips them off and 450 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,440 takes the horse from him and does it himself. So it's just like it's 451 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,359 a full on, just gnarly war going on again. That's why I completely 452 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,160 if you're Gary oldman. That's what I like is because obviously we'll get to 453 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,000 war and that's a bit more straight up. Hey, this is the full 454 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,759 and bad human. You're just piece of shit. You hate him right, 455 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,720 Like, there's no reason I would hate Gary one because they do a great 456 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,759 job. Like I think they show these are a good leader. Whatever. 457 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,480 He didn't want them know about the apes, but like I think that was 458 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,400 the right call. Like it, like, I don't know, you don't 459 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,039 want to scare people. It's an army of apes that could turn They said 460 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,680 up great stuff with his sons, which trivia, those were actually photos of 461 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,440 his real kids, so there you go. But like I think that was 462 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,160 good as far as like until the movie, you don't know why he's lost, 463 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,240 and now he's like taking it upon himself to I gotta get humanity right, 464 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,279 not even for him, just so like other people could go have kids 465 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:44,079 and do these things and all he knows at this point, Malcolm's probably fucking 466 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,720 dead, and sure Malcolm shows up. But once Malcolm shows up, it's 467 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:51,400 it's gone to a ten. It's all like they've taken over their tower. 468 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,240 They're killing probably men, women, chilled and everything. So it's like, 469 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,640 I can't blame Gary Oldman at any point. Of course, when Malcolm's there 470 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,000 with a gun, like I thought it was very bold for Malcolm to pull 471 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,799 gun on him and not even try to just talk to him first. Malcolm's 472 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:06,880 first move is grabbing the gun, and I was like, I don't know, 473 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,559 because right away, as Gary Oldman, I'd be like, what the 474 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,279 fuck? Man? Like, I understand completely, And I think they do 475 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,519 a great job of making that leader the human Leader's motivations all makes sense of, 476 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,240 Yeah, why wouldn't he blow this bomb because he thinks this could be 477 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,440 the end of human race right here? And he's so I love that character 478 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:23,960 for such a mier character. And sometimes you talk about the humans and they 479 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,039 try and make them fifty to fifty, but they kind of lean one way, 480 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,039 like too much. I think this's like a perfect down the line character 481 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,640 who also is just missing a lot of the facts because he's just not there 482 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,359 right. So I did think he was still like his like some of his 483 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,319 decisions, they did seem a little bit more extreme than maybe it would have 484 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:45,640 been warranted. But also you could definitely make the argument that it's because he's 485 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,000 in this position of like he has all these people depending on him, like 486 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:53,000 he is, you know, like the fucking he's the president pretty much, 487 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:57,599 Yeah, he's the mayor of this little makeup town. And like like when 488 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,559 when the apes come and everybody's just freaking out, like rightfully, so that 489 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:07,160 would scare the shit out of me. You got this age just talking to 490 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,039 us on on a fucking horse. We just barely got our bart. I 491 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:12,880 don't even think they have the power back actually at that point. Yeah, 492 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,680 so, and and he's just giving like a speech to basically just rally the 493 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,200 troops, like just say whatever you can to kind of keep the morale somewhat 494 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,240 reasonable. However, like like my and like, I don't even think it's 495 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,599 a negative thing. It's just he shows to be a little bit more extreme 496 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,720 when he's talking to Malcolm. And this is like right after he does that 497 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:36,359 speech with the bullhorn, and Malcolm's like, you know, like what if 498 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,319 it doesn't go like that way? And it's like, well, then I 499 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:41,880 guess we're going to war, like like like that's kind of what their options 500 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,359 are at that point in time, because this is for the survival of the 501 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,160 human race. Like clearly San Francisco got decimated. There's like one percent of 502 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,000 the population probably less than that's still remaining, and uh, and like they 503 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,480 have to make these hard decisions. They are at this like armory type location. 504 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:02,119 They do have firepower, which is what he was relaying to the people 505 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,160 there, So they are equipped, even though you know not all of them 506 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,279 are soldiers. But I did like just again like the the dire straits of 507 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,119 the situation that's at hand for for the human side for sure. And you 508 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,400 know, like maybe if they had a chance to like have a diplomatic conversation 509 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,680 in that moment, as opposed to Caesar just being like don't ever show your 510 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,119 face and in the woods again, Like that's that because obviously Caesar is a 511 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400 very reasonable leader in the sense like he heard Malcolm out, he'd let he 512 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,279 let them go to the generator. So if they just had a little bit 513 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:37,440 more time to kind of explain the situation, but you know, to that 514 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,240 point, you would still have the Cobas of the world like super against it. 515 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,720 I'm sure the humans have, you know, their own Coba. They 516 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:48,000 do. The bald guy that that shot the the gun is an ash that 517 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,799 he had shot a man just getting the fucking ass hand of the stick. 518 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,519 This whole gets shot by a human, gets tossed off the fucking cliff by 519 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,519 Coba. Yeah, because blue eyes are out hunting and then he finds them 520 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:06,720 and that's the guy's uh ideas just to pull gun on him. But COVID 521 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640 get him back later. Scary way to go out, just like a cigarette. 522 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,200 Here's that music, same thing. He's likeing man and things are looking 523 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,119 up and COVID just that rips that throat out that kill move too. The 524 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,480 apes do where it's basically how Kingpin killed U, you know, like Peter 525 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:23,039 Parker and the multi verses, just fucking slammed down, Like what a way 526 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:29,599 to go just these giant batons of arms just crushing you like fuh. I 527 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,400 usually do that to my laundry bins to get the laundry down. I'm not 528 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,279 joking all the time. I will do that and think about the apes because 529 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:44,359 I can in your washing machine in the bands get more. Emily walks in 530 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,480 trust know how to do launder kids. She said no to her phone. 531 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,799 Yeah, no, because we talk about that's been something consistent. I remember 532 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,359 the two thousand and one remake where Michael Clark Duncan fucked up his former friend 533 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,680 with like just that, Like he's just like man like because I would it 534 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:05,319 like that just must be cement blocks, just beaving your chest, you know. 535 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:07,960 And again, oh god, that's what Caesar did to Coba, right 536 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,880 when you had to fucking humble him, like just beating down on him. 537 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,200 I'm like, oh, oh my god. The first time you have the 538 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:23,480 humans there are just like what the no? They altern Yeah, Coba, 539 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,799 He's lucky. Caesar hurt later on in the movie because Coba got his ass 540 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,480 handed to him that first go around. And I think it fit for the 541 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,319 story because it did make sense of Okay, Coba the apes. There might 542 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,720 be apes with them, but clearly more apes are still Caesar, so they'd 543 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,960 need some big event to turn. So that's not happening. I can't beat 544 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:46,400 Caesar one on once. That's not happening. So I do I understand the 545 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,079 conclusion of I have to frame the humans and just shoot him to a sniper 546 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640 rifle or whatever in a tree somewhere like hi, because he just couldn't beat 547 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,640 him, didn't have the politics and he didn't have the muscle. He's not 548 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,119 uh Cooba's island, but he didn't. Caesar's just skilled, you know. 549 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,400 I love I absolutely love the moment too, when Caesar rides from the ashes 550 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,800 like the black panther, like everybody thinks he's dead, comes back there and 551 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,280 Cob is just there with his with his big ar rifle, and then you 552 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,000 know, like Caesar's weak, and then it's like Coba is weaker, and 553 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,000 then it kind of taunts him to toss his gun to the side and just 554 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,559 fucking fight him. Monoy mono. I just I love the setup of that. 555 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,880 It's just I don't know anytime you just have like the fallen king rise 556 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,519 from the ashes, just come reclaim his throat, and I just I'm such 557 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,840 a sucker for that story, like that cool set piece. You're just a 558 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,360 pie, you're surrounded by apes yor just watching this all go down. I 559 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,159 like Coba when he's fall Oh Ape, don't kill ape. It puts his 560 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,039 hand up and you no Ape and then kicks him. I don't know if 561 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,239 they needed the whole cgi like platform to break to like okay, he can 562 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,880 just fall man like, Like I appreciate the detail he like hits the cable 563 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,159 and then like flips back takes out the crane. But I was like, 564 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,440 you know, some anime, I had to spend like three weeks on that, 565 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,559 Like you've been like, just make co A fall. You know he's 566 00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,079 gonna die. It's fine, But yeah, I know Coba was no more 567 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,360 and he was. And the other part of the relationship I forgot to mention 568 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,679 too, was I love that for about two thirds of the movie, blue 569 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:13,519 Eyes trusts Coba more than Caesar, just because he doesn't. Also like, 570 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:16,239 because again, his best friend just got shot by humans, so why you're 571 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,159 pitching the wrong thing? Like, no, trust me, humans are okay, 572 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,320 you know. And then later on it's great too, and he goes 573 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,039 back to the Will's house and he sees the photo. He starts to understand 574 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:30,320 why his father would have these connections. But I love that dynamic of blue 575 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,159 Eyes is very torn. He's like a teen and he's just trying to figure 576 00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:35,760 out his way in life. And you have, you know, co and 577 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,320 Coba, Who's who's he's been told his whole life to trust. So it's 578 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,400 like, at this point, why should just stopped trusting it? Right? 579 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,119 Caesar does the whole you gotta listen to me because I'm your dad. But 580 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,199 like classic teen Years be like, well fuck that, Like again, these 581 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,119 humans are up to no good. You know. They snuck in a gun, 582 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:53,360 they shot an ape, so they made all those I think things make 583 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,559 a lot of sense for a teenager type character who's very lost in like a 584 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,519 war torn sort of situation, and that was a good done that Bank I 585 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,280 really liked, especially when he was around, because he was a character that 586 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,159 was really like, oh, this is really wrong. Once Covid did the 587 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,679 full turn the war everything, like Ash was like, okay, same thing. 588 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,760 This is a guy that Ashes got shot and that's why it's kind of 589 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,400 like, Okay, I understand where Coba's coming from. To jump to a 590 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,400 few days there where Copa's killing Ash, Like, hey, I clearly back 591 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,039 the wrong dad or surrogate dad here, you know. For Blue Eyes too, 592 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:30,000 like throughout the movie, I really liked the kind of position that he 593 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,199 was in in the sense of like he is a young ape, like he 594 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,679 still has so much to learn. He's he's trying to, you know, 595 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,920 just just become a nice strong foundation of an ape that can make proper decisions. 596 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,719 But like he still is trying to figure out what is the right and 597 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,679 wrong, And as you're laying out there, like he is mostly siding with 598 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,119 Coball just because of what he's seen in his own experience, right Like he's 599 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,920 seeing Ash get shot, He's seeing these apes go against their or sorry, 600 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,320 he's seen these humans go against their word and and be deceitful and up until 601 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,760 like it's not until later that he actually sees the more positive sides of the 602 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,719 human traits. And it's funny because throughout the movie he just kind of has 603 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:15,599 this like dumbfounded look on him where he's just like like super puzzled, very 604 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,960 very curious individual. But I just like what it is because like you could 605 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:28,760 have had maybe the more extreme type son of of one that like is essentially 606 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,679 Coba and is this like super aggressor, but he is super hesitant. Does 607 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,960 seem like he's like, I don't know, he's not super quick to just 608 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,559 make a decision, like like it seems like he's taking it in and trying 609 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:42,880 to process it. And it's even shown when he finds Malcolm, when Malcolm 610 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,599 is in fucking ground zero, he is in such a scary situation and the 611 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:50,880 apes are just going crazy and he's stuck in that one house and then he 612 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,320 gets stared down by by blue Eyes there and and and then like blue Eyes 613 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,840 just shows a little bit more but like or sorry, a little bit more 614 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,199 of hesitation, I guess of because he could have just shot Malcolm right then 615 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,280 and there, like like he there's no real reason why he wouldn't have other 616 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,679 than the fact that he's seen Coba go a little bit too far. And 617 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,159 maybe it's like and that's the extreme. I I don't think that's actually the 618 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,519 right way. And he is a little bit hisitant there, but up until 619 00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,880 that point, like he thinks Caesar is still dead right like like he's he 620 00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,159 is, I don't know, super unsure of everything. But but just overall, 621 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:30,239 I liked the whole Blue Eyes. I don't know just where he was 622 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,639 throughout this movie. Yeah, and that's why I liked about that turn, 623 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,440 is he made that choice before Malcolm told him his dad was alive. Because 624 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,440 of course, if you say that, well, that makes it very easy 625 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,320 for a character to be like, well, I'm not going to be bad 626 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,559 anymore. My dad's live. But it was like showed that he already had 627 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,519 that pat Yeah, exactly, so then Malcolm kids like, oh, your 628 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,920 dad's by that you're here. He's alive. By the way, Now, 629 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920 in real life, I would have fucking led with that, like, hey, 630 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,199 your dad's life. I don't, you know, don't don't even think 631 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,519 about shooting me. But I think that's good for the Blue Eyes character to 632 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,000 have that con to be Okay, yeah, this is I'm not really down 633 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,320 for killing this humans like I maybe, well, I don't want to work 634 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,719 with I think like Bludys, like I don't want to work with him on 635 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,519 the round. They can be bad, but I also don't want to just 636 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:13,800 massacre these people. Where Coba is all for he's fucking thanous. He's not 637 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,480 half in this population, he's fully extincting it. And I think it was 638 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:22,000 really good to show like him being with Koba until he actually saw the reality 639 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,440 of what the COVID decision was, where like he is just going full extreme, 640 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,679 you'd fucking throwing apes off of cliffs and like just murdering these humans that 641 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,320 like, maybe we're going a little bit too far with this, but he 642 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,719 has that realization like in the heat of battle, not not beforehand, which 643 00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,800 you know, that's how you realize these things is by actually going through the 644 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,239 experience and maybe Caesar's lessons weren't going through to him until he can actually see 645 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,480 the like what Caesar was talking about. And I don't know, it's just 646 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,880 a really good mini growth of the character. I think, just within this 647 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,559 contained story. Anything on Blue Eyes tailor you want to go somewhere else? 648 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,960 Ah, yeah, I I just think that I don't have much to say 649 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:09,119 the side no blue Eyes, No, No, he's he was interesting and 650 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:14,039 yeah, you just I think I just wonder if Dylan ends upjoying for the 651 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:20,960 apes review like just the newest one. Yeah, I think that he just 652 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,199 creates an interesting dynamic where you have a bunch of apes that have just been 653 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,360 a lot into this one category, a bunch of this category like pro and 654 00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,480 con for like fighting and like standing with the humans. So I think that 655 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,719 having his turmoil on the inside is very interesting and allows us to kind of 656 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,960 see that, Yeah, that's the kind of like choice that he has to 657 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,880 make and just kind of choosing between someone that I don't want to say admires, 658 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,760 but like he was taken advantage of and Coba preyed on him. I'm 659 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,199 sure there was a real does admire he looks like he's like the cool uncle 660 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,440 in a way, like I know that's like making it very simple, but 661 00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,360 it is like the oh, my dad's a hard ass, but like he 662 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:06,239 knows, he knows what's up. Yeah, So I think that it's just 663 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,159 seeing the transition of the characters is very unique. But just to touch upon 664 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,559 that scene when they're all gathered at the house, it always gets me. 665 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,880 It always makes me tear up. And Caesar's all wounded and ship and just 666 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,519 gets the cam corder and Jason or James Franco probably got paid a pretty penny 667 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,039 for this, but he didn't. You didn't get paid for it. They 668 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,840 didn't even ask him. I think it's just because they already own the footage. 669 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,960 She was fine, but yeah, he's like, can we just like 670 00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,719 use footage of him and then not ask him? No, because we did. 671 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:37,079 We listen if in Adrenochrome two, brother in adrenochrome too. If we 672 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,800 get James Franco, then yes, and adrenal Chrome three we could use that 673 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,960 footage. But no, we don't have any footage that we have created with 674 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,000 James Franco, nor do I want to work with James Franco at this you 675 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,280 have to create the footage, then well yeah, but it has to also 676 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,440 not be AI footage like you're making it sound like we like crazy, We're 677 00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:58,519 on the street and we see like also using nase Franco, we see the 678 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,639 rock walking down the street. We film a shot of adrenochrone, and then 679 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,960 we just as he's walking in the background, like you did with a scene 680 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,320 with a car driving by. It does that count? Can we use it? 681 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,159 But because the thing is the scene driving that car driving by, you 682 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:14,760 can barely make up the ball. You can't see the person whatever. It's 683 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,039 just like a quick frow. It's like the rocks it was back towards the 684 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:22,199 camera. Yeah we can. We can wear wearing that hat in the theater. 685 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,679 It's like, I wonder who that guy is. Wouldn't shut up in 686 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:30,320 the theater if we shove off the rock from behind, then yeah, maybe 687 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,880 we can use it. But much like just like even like think about prank 688 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960 shows and whatnot. Sometimes their faces are blurred because they don't give them permission 689 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,880 to use their likeness, right, so, and I don't think we're gonna 690 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,239 get permission to use the wrongs likeness. You're like, oh, how when 691 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440 he's always you bought the past year. I bought one since twenty twenty four, 692 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:50,440 twenty two. Oh no, you're out, so but that's why they 693 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,920 owned that footage, so they can use Franco's footage. But he didn't get 694 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,840 paid as well, which like, yeah, like he didn't do anything new. 695 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,039 It's just a scene from the first movie, right, like I wouldn't 696 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,199 get paid anymore. But yeah, it was nice to get that answer. 697 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,960 I haven't trigue. There's some theories that he probably just died in that house 698 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,079 because when you when they walk up to the house, there's an X on 699 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,320 it, and you know, usually in pandemic and stuff, if someone's like 700 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,679 mortally affected, there's an X there. His car is also not in the 701 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,320 drive you can see it, so it's in the driveway that's all like grown 702 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:30,119 over and stuff. So we'll probably there's my friend Will. It's like him 703 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:34,719 I'm in then like a rope Oh my gosh. But uh yeah, like 704 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,039 I don't know, he kind of deserves it, right, like, you 705 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:38,360 know, I'm all for the apes and everything, but he did create this 706 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,599 truck that like destroyed the world, so like with good intentions, right, 707 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,119 come on, yeah, but you know what is that expression about no gutique 708 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:51,239 goes unpunished, and he definitely got punished, you know, but again that's 709 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,440 probably like he was, that was his intentions. But this was the dude 710 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,559 that was also fucking like. He should have never brought a monkey. We 711 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,519 had to pay already. He should not have brought him monkey outside that facility 712 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,920 to work on it, because this is what led to it. This happened, 713 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,960 you know, it's not wrong. This is his fault. And he's 714 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,599 dead. John Lifgill is dead. Probably that neighbor's definitely dead. They're all 715 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,320 dead. But it was nice to get that answer. Good to go back 716 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,440 there. And uh and now I remember, just like, oh that window 717 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,920 sign comes back. Now I kind of remember, even though I don't know 718 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,679 why the other monkeys would understand that symbol. They haven't been to Will's house, 719 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,480 they haven't, but that's just the that's just the symbol that is important 720 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,480 to Caesar, and so he'll just kind of put that into their their belief 721 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,679 their religion. Okay, And yeah, a good little you know, batman 722 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,480 moment where all these monkeys are gonna be saved and stuffing. Yeah, heartbreaking 723 00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:38,320 moment when blue eyes like sees like more recent, all these other people just 724 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,599 like locked up and they're just stuck there. It's like, man, cob 725 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,880 Coble worked fast. Man, he killed these humans, and then I love 726 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,679 that, Like what Cole wants to do is make these humans either kill them 727 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,000 or make them slaves, you know, like they're all like hand cut. 728 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,199 Like he literally just wants to do what they did to him years ago. 729 00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,239 And it's a you know, it's a tuble holding the grudge and up a 730 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,079 drug start testing them. You had to make them not speak though, and 731 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:08,360 it's opposite for Cova. I'd love to see COVID like a scientist jacket, 732 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,280 like trying to explain things everybody. But uh yeah, no, great, 733 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,960 great, now we already topical, but yeah, just great film, great 734 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,039 intriguing villain that it's just like, uh, you know, I can see 735 00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:21,599 why they brought them back a little bit in the third one we talk about 736 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:25,320 because it's just it's interesting. But I hope I'm hopeful because like to me, 737 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,360 in this uh King of plant Apes, this King villain seems intriguing too, 738 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,760 So I'm hoping I'm hoping it's lines of this too, where it doesn't 739 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,920 just go into okay, bad ape, you know, and like talking. 740 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,159 You know, we'll talk more when we get to the next movie. But 741 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:44,599 just like the effect of I think what his kind of where he lied in 742 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:46,519 his motivations. I think it just has a really profound effect because it's like 743 00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:52,679 it's it's showing that that aspect is kind of in anyone and like, you 744 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,800 know, Caesar kind of shows those aspects in the in the next movie, 745 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,920 which I found very interesting and not something I was expecting at all. I 746 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,159 was not expecting to see Covid back for the next movie. Spoiler alert. 747 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:07,079 Yeah, I was watching them right with you guys, and he told me, 748 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,280 don't worry nothing, nothing too big. What about Malcolm and the people? 749 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,519 How do we feel about you know, you got Jason Clark, the 750 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,840 great Jason Clark was very underrated character actor, you know, killed Moppenheimer last 751 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,400 year. Got Carrie Russell. I love he was killed in Oppenheimer last year. 752 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,880 I was like, oh, man, I missed that scene. He 753 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,840 said, no Oppenheimer, Yeah, no, no, Oppenheimer just throws at 754 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:34,639 a ball like a smash, like ultimate just like destroys everybody. But no, 755 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,119 he killed his performance in Oppenheimer. And then uh, yeah, you 756 00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:44,679 got kry Russell. You got that, Uh you can't remember his name ship, 757 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,679 but he played Nightcrawler in The New and the X Men First Class People, 758 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,719 and he's done a couple of their roles. The Young Chap. Yeah, 759 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,159 he's really good at the Power of the Dog and Oscar. You got 760 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,800 nominated for an Oscar that film. So I like the humans, Like I 761 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,159 don't have too much to say, but it's much like Gary Oldman, where 762 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,400 all their motivations made sense. I think Jason Clark, who's so good at 763 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,880 playing a prick, ah, this is a good job playing like a very 764 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,480 understanding like you're rooting for this guy. I love the little origin as far 765 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,760 as he's with this woman who unfortunately lost her child to the virus, and 766 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,880 that becomes like a plot point and a shot later. Like I think they're 767 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,400 in there all for the right amount and all the stuff makes sense to me. 768 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,440 And I like that Malcolm is kind of Caesar's like surgate human Like it's 769 00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:28,440 like it's it's like he's trying to get over an X and like he's like 770 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:30,480 replaced Will with the Malcolm. They're doing the head to head thing like they're 771 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:35,039 you know, but I do feel like it's they are in the same band 772 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,320 wing where Malcolm's not the leader, but they are. They understand both sides 773 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,480 have evil or bad people, but they're trying to do good. And that 774 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:44,639 last line of the movie is heartbreaknant and he's like, I really thought we 775 00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,400 could, you know, work together, And he's a guy I thought so 776 00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:50,480 too. So you can see that doesn't matter the walk of lives they are 777 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,320 and how different they are, they share a lot of the same moralities and 778 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,039 stuff. So, yeah, I really liked all the characters there for The 779 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:04,159 Human Sign. Yeah, I really liked mostly Malcolm. I feel like everybody 780 00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:07,760 else just doesn't have a lot of moments to shine. But I was like, 781 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,159 wait, I think it's because I'm used to seeing this guy play a 782 00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:13,800 prick and an asshole. I was waiting for the turn. I was waiting 783 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,760 for him to like do something very nefarious. But you know, like Caesar 784 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,920 said, like he was the bomb Caesar, he was a good man, 785 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,880 like Caesar was saying like throughout, like he was really trying to have peace 786 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,519 amongst both factions. It's so funny. I feel like when the apes here, 787 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,800 no, you know, the scene of Aphire when Jason Clark is drilling 788 00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:39,079 Onheimer and the room turns the white and he gets like really loud. You 789 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,119 can't, like his voice is distorted. That's when I pictured the apes here 790 00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:45,719 what someone says no, It's like the room goes white and they just like 791 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:55,880 no, like yeah, but no. I I I thought that he was 792 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,360 a nice middleman between dry fists. I think that was his name, Gary 793 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,559 Oldman's character and and Caesar and just just trying his best to kind of prevent 794 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,800 an inevitable war from happening. But uh yeah, it didn't didn't really work 795 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,360 out there. I I did like the quite opposite. It kicked off the 796 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:21,199 war even faster than it probably was gonna happen, you know, like the 797 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,920 fucking wild card guy Carver I think was the name, the one that shot 798 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,880 Ash in the beginning, they like have a quick line of being like he's 799 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,920 the only one that worked at the planet, like he's the only one that 800 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,079 knows how to work it. They did not have him there to like work 801 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,599 it at all, like like like when they're actually there, I don't think 802 00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,880 he'd even touched a fucking knob like he was literally he wasn't allowed at that 803 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,480 point, right, did they have to send the car, so like why 804 00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:43,960 even have him, Like like like, why are they making this this one 805 00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:47,079 line of being like we gotta bring this really fucking wild card character that's gonna 806 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:51,760 shoot anyone. And he just looks like he's I don't know, having withdraws 807 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,880 on drugs or something like he's just so sweaty and like paranoid. Anytime they're 808 00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:00,840 around apes, I'm like, man, he's like gona not trusting the guy 809 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,760 at all, especially when you're on the brink of war of like these apes 810 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,880 already don't trust us. But uh, and I also felt like they didn't 811 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,199 give him enough shit after I wanted to scene like they got the power, 812 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,599 right, or they're gonna try and get the power. They make agreement no 813 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:16,760 guns, they break the guns, get rid of them, and then he 814 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,079 holds a shotgun, which especially uh the fucking baby chim finds a shotgun, 815 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:23,760 so you can understand why Caesar is even more so of like, you first 816 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,920 of all have a gun, and my fucking couple of day year old sons 817 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,199 here, like are you fucking kidding me? It's just like I was confused 818 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:34,880 by the humans. There's just not a scene of Malcolm just like tearing him 819 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,480 a new one, like I felt like that was needed of like man, 820 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,039 like it's just like a fucking car like whatever, like when an asshole, 821 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:45,679 right, but then if Malcolm sees it, don't get back together, and 822 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,840 uh, what's his wife is like getting sick in these of medicine. Carver's 823 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,840 fucked everybody like they are going extinct because of will. And then second Carver, 824 00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:58,599 like those are the two people on the posters. So I just be 825 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,079 like, like I would, like you're not in this community anymore, like 826 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:05,599 you have no part of it, like fuck you man like you. It's 827 00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,960 not even the first one like him shooting ape. I can understand, like 828 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,559 you got scared whatever, but this one's like did you have to bring up 829 00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,360 some shot off shot like not even a pistol, fucking shoddy to the ape 830 00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:20,559 like sank like camel in there too. I'm trying to kick ass. It's 831 00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,519 an automatic ude. But yeah, so I agree with you. There is 832 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:28,639 a little bit of like an eye roll of if you know, this guy's 833 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,400 kind of a shit stir like bring anybody else, like don't even in the 834 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,000 car, don't have him sit there. You know this isn't the right way, 835 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:40,800 because fucking right, this is how bad Carver is. Coba frames him. 836 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,280 I love the scene too where the Apes are going crazy and Maurice is 837 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,639 like run like that's all he says, like, yeah, that's great. 838 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,840 But then when Malcolm c Caesar, he's like, yeah, man, I 839 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,000 don't know why Carver would do this, but I guess he shot you. 840 00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,679 Like Malcolm, that's how bad Carver's He fully bought into that Carver whin o 841 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,880 the tree, just like fuck these apes and like ruined the whole thing. 842 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,360 So it's like, how was Carver back at the camp for them to believe 843 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,119 that he just started a war? They didn't even question it. I guess 844 00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,199 they did like, oh, I don't know why what he was doing out 845 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,599 there, But it wasn't even like a no, there's no way he would 846 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,800 do this. They were like, yeah, maybe he might have shot seize 847 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,440 her, he might have burned down the apes. So shitty guy that they 848 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,880 should have got rid of. He should have just been at that's a soldier 849 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,199 guy. That's the guy that you have. Hey, when the apes come 850 00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:30,199 here, you had to fucking kill Moll. He's sitting with Gary Oldman, 851 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,480 not whoever, like the Gary oldman guy that was like working the radio. 852 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,920 I guess we were radio, like, said that guy. He seemed nice, 853 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,639 cool, calm and collected, you know, not Carver, but they 854 00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:43,280 did, and that started a lot of the issues here. You know, 855 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,880 so and like that scene when they're at the campfire and he's just like you 856 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,639 you like your child died at the at the you know, by the Simon 857 00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:54,679 flew and you had like I remember like a sister that died as well. 858 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,480 It's just like, shut the fuck up. His wife, his wife remember 859 00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,440 on the asshole then like walks offs like yeah, you are the fucking asshole, 860 00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:05,840 Like like what do you he doesn't have an answer to and she's like, 861 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,320 well, the a's were being experiment like they didn't create the thing. 862 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:14,400 He's like they fucking suck man like like it's just like qualities at all, 863 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,559 very meat, heeady, very like. That's why I said, like GT 864 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,239 like very video gaming NPC guy. But I guess I'm I guess I was 865 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,559 like fine with it in a sense because there are those humans in real life. 866 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,840 It's just like that's the thing where it's like it's not a stretch. 867 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,159 And you know, he got killed off again scary death. But Danny thoughts 868 00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:37,079 on the humans. I mean that one the main guy, Jason Uh, 869 00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,880 the actor. The only time I really ever think back of him is a 870 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,400 terminator for some weird reason when he plays Oh John Connor and grown up John 871 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,199 Carter that souped up as a terminator. Oh my, yeah, yeah, 872 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,320 that's that's what I remember him from. So do you remember appenheim Er? 873 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:57,440 Not more now though, should not replace the terminator memory, but it doesn't. 874 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,079 All I see is just him walking. I'll never forget it. We 875 00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:06,039 could say the world mum, oh got a love that story. The director's 876 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,159 like, whatever you do, don't put this twist in the trailer, Like, 877 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,480 hey, we won't first trailer. Oh guess what, John Carter's the 878 00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:15,239 Terminator now? Like fuck? But you know, I think that I think 879 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,639 he was great in this movie. I really really do. I think that 880 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,199 him trying to be the Mediators is awesome. I liked seeing that one human 881 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,519 that's kind of trying to trying to do this and you have so many other 882 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,320 humans that are just against it, and just what could be if both ape 883 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,760 and man were to kind of work together and build like it would just be 884 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,960 a powerhouse like the world could come back and be wonderful, but not the 885 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,280 case in this other human scenes too, I like is when Maurice and the 886 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,079 Boy are just kind of like in the like in the campsite, just with 887 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,440 the books and stuff like that. Really like that that was really wonderful. 888 00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,599 Ah. And yeah, just this this fucking idiot guy was just a god. 889 00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:57,960 He's a dumb ass, absolute dumb ass. I don't know what planet, 890 00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:00,760 apparently Earth. You think it's a right fucking idea to go into this 891 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:07,639 huge fourtified ape encampment area or ape territory and bring one little gun. You 892 00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:12,280 think that's gonna make a huge fucking difference. Like I just picture Hanimi and 893 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,360 he thinks he's fucking mad Max. He's gonna take on all these apes with 894 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,719 this one gun. Oh absolutely, he's such a fucking idiot. And again 895 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,159 it's just they have him in here, and it's it's a great reaffirmation maybe 896 00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:30,599 just a reminder of just man's folly and humankind just being stupid making these stupid 897 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,360 decisions. And that's usually the case about the theme throat all of these films 898 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,760 is the the ultimate downfall to the humans is their their own decisions they they 899 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,559 interfere or they do these things, and these decisions and choices that they make, 900 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,239 uh like they're the instrument of their own destruction. And it's really heavily 901 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,199 displayed in the next Apes film, which I'm excited to talk about too. 902 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,239 But yeah, I think the humans are they were a step up over the 903 00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:01,239 last last batch. Mm hmm, let me take my nose. Is there 904 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:07,119 any other I just want to shout out the moment when Carver shoots the Ape 905 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,519 and then the crew comes to kind of back them up, and then you 906 00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:14,840 just have the fucking hooting and hollering coming off from the Apes and then just 907 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,159 the swarm of Apes to just like core around them, and like, you 908 00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:22,119 know, they got like a sniper rifle, like maybe a magnum. I 909 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,360 think they have another like shotgun or something. But it's like, man, 910 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,000 what are you gonna do? Like maybe take out one or two apes? 911 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:31,920 These these Apes are gonna fucking rip you to shreds, especially like Malcolm having 912 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,559 him son or hit his son with him in that moment. I'm like, 913 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:39,000 that's gotta be one of the scariest fucking moments of all their lives. Just 914 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,920 Okay, you know, we shot an ape. There's two apes here, 915 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,360 like like, this is a pretty tense situation. Then you just fucking hear 916 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,920 screams in the woods and then they just come out of like everywhere and like 917 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,760 so fast, they just swarm. It's the context where you don't again, 918 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,000 like the people didn't know about the apes and you have ape armies show up 919 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,039 in their city. So you're out here hiking looking for generator and yeah, 920 00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:05,320 just ape army just descends upon you. You're like like William dafoex look it 921 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,920 up, like yeah, and then you have fucking Caesar be like cut it 922 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,920 out. It's like what the fuck? Yeah, and I do like at 923 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,679 that point they both almost think each other's dad. The apes like we haven't 924 00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:21,119 seen humans in years and vice versa, right, so they just think they're 925 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:24,039 kind of extinct. So I like that for both races. It's kind of 926 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:28,679 like a wake up corbo. Shit, there's someone's out here and the humans 927 00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,360 maybe don't even have the numbers, but they still got a lot of attack, 928 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,599 right, Like when they apes attack that base, it's not an easy 929 00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:36,639 attack. They do take it over, but they lose a lot of apes 930 00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:40,320 to fucking which was a kind of bold that guy, I get it. 931 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,840 I love when he has like that tank or whatever it's called, the machine 932 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,039 that has like the machine gun on it, and Garylan's like yeah, he's 933 00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:52,039 like you're so fucking excited, and Koba takes that shit over real fast and 934 00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:58,360 just destroys a humans wall. Like I just thought, like I get why 935 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,639 the Gary Olman's character dresses exciting this moment. I was like, this is 936 00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:04,719 my weapon. Don't send out there because if you lose this weapon, and 937 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,760 they did right right away, like the hatch is open. It's an open 938 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,639 like you'd be better just to lock the hatch and run the apes over, 939 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,400 not fucking like the got like yes and then it's over. But I did 940 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,280 really like that shot they have like Coba has the gun and it's moving and 941 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,880 they have it like tripoded on the tank, so like when it's spinning, 942 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,280 like the camera's spinning with you. It's not a solid shit, and it's 943 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,320 like Coba's like in the right of the screen and then all the left is 944 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,599 like emptiness with emptiness that starts to get filled with apes or action or fire 945 00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:35,920 and stuff. So I really like that. But uh, yeah, the 946 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,480 humans were they weren't ready for it, so they weren't ready. Uh. 947 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,480 I want to shout out to Maurice. We didn't talk about them much on 948 00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:46,599 this episode, but he's just so solid throughout this whole trilogy, that Matt 949 00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:50,320 Reeves trilogy here and right by a woman I learned. I didn't know that, 950 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,920 So I'm not sure if more Ree is supposed to be a man or 951 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,079 woman ate but I didn't know that because I saw the actors in clicked on 952 00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:58,800 IMDb. Yeah, there you go, very expressive eyes, like throughout the 953 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,480 whole the whole series doesn't really say anything much, but uh just I don't 954 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,679 know, super welcoming and warm I think in his in his appearance and I 955 00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:15,000 like just this kind of like uh more more I don't even know the best 956 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,559 way to describe it. Just just like a more calm, I think, 957 00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,599 like person to talk to for for Caesar, like like cause Caesar is the 958 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:27,119 decision maker. He's got Cooba just like telling him to go to war. 959 00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,760 And then you have Maurice that is just like I don't know, not necessarily 960 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,559 giving him like straight up things to do, but just but just helping him 961 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:38,320 kind of talk through these situations and and and be almost like a like a 962 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:43,239 Jedi type like wisdom, like just dropping some lines here and there, yeah, 963 00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:45,960 and never tell yeah, and never giving him a strung and this is 964 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,119 a bad way, but like you have to do this. It's always coming 965 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,440 down like you gotta like I'll guide you, but he's still got to figure 966 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,800 out for yourself. And I also think Maurice is some of the best. 967 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,199 He like looks the best, Like anytime they're on him, he just looks 968 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,039 so damn good. It's just like it. It's kind of scary. And 969 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,960 I really like the kind of friendly relationship he has with the Sun too, 970 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,599 and they're like exchanging books and stuff like that's cool. So yeah, he 971 01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:14,280 seems like a nice human mediator you'll be representing on the on the the un 972 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,880 for the human side or the relations of it. I'd love to hang o 973 01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:21,880 Maurice, you know, he'd be guy or gal. I love to talk 974 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,840 with them. Very little legs from what I would expect, like when he's 975 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:30,000 moving around just just using his arms. I don't really look up orangutangs much, 976 01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:34,440 but I don't know this. This movie did have me kind of curious 977 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,599 on just the weights of certain apes and such, because like gorillas, a 978 01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:39,920 lot less heavy than I was kind of expecting. I thought they were like 979 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,360 eight hundred pounds or something, but they're like three fifty maybe four hundred pounds. 980 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,280 I don't know. Really, it seems lighter than what I would expect. 981 01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:51,960 They can lift ten times their weight though, so they can lift it 982 01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,000 depends on their weight, but like up to four thousand pounds, and I'm 983 01:00:54,039 --> 01:01:00,039 like, cheese us take over. We're so fucked. Yeah. Maybe it's 984 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,639 like pure muscle too. I don't know that's why they look heavier, but 985 01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:07,119 they were really just like you know, they guess they're technically lighter. So 986 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,440 rangue tangs are lighter than gorillas as well. I thought they were kind of 987 01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:15,320 chunky, but that makes sense to me. Yeah, anything else anything showed 988 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:21,280 up before some trivia. Very curious what the trivia is for this, these 989 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,719 newer apes movies. Okay, I hope it's good. I hope. I 990 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,079 hope us to your meeting. There was never paid for. Well, I 991 01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:30,599 did have that, but I brought someone right that. Yeah, there was 992 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,880 X on the door and stuffy. Yeah, Will's Will's a goner. So 993 01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:37,440 and I don't think there was like a place for Will here like it would 994 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,920 have been weird if like Will's with the with like in the Malcolm role. 995 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:44,280 Apparently, when ruber Riott was directing it, there was a role for Will, 996 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,480 So I Frankel did think he was coming back at one point, but 997 01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:49,360 it switched that went away, so he wouldn't be with the humans. He'd 998 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,079 be living with the apes and there in their little tribe there. Well, 999 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,639 and this is but I don't yeah maybe, but this is so this is 1000 01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,960 what before. I don't know who wrote it, but Matt Reeves when he 1001 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,559 got on the project, this was the original draft, so he says an 1002 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:04,039 the original draft, which was written before he was hired, was set further 1003 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,199 in the future, with apes having obtained the ability to speak almost flawlessly and 1004 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,440 Caesar playing a much smaller role, where Heves thought it would be more interesting 1005 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,920 explorer Caesar's story at earlier stage and asked for a permission to rewrite the script 1006 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,239 from scratch. His request was granted as long as the condition was he met 1007 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,719 on the film release date. So that's what the game was like. You 1008 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,719 can do it, but he's still you know, all love it. You 1009 01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:22,760 can work more, but you still got to hit that same date. You 1010 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,079 know. Good old Hollywood, but it was delayed and then they delayed it. 1011 01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:30,079 Yeah, so it's funny that like these fucking claims at the beginning, 1012 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:31,880 like you better hit it, and then doesn't happen. But so, yeah, 1013 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,039 I don't even know what he was taught. I guess there's maybe three 1014 01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:38,679 versions of the script of River Bryer being like everyone bringing your back Franco. 1015 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,480 That didn't happen. Then there's this new script to jumping into the future, 1016 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,480 which I'm happy they did because we're getting that now with like I feel Kingdom. 1017 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,039 But that's where it's like, it's great to get that now because we 1018 01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,000 had that three trilogy with Caesar. It would have felt odd just to jump 1019 01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,960 forward, and especially at that first movie making Caesar such a vital character, 1020 01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,000 to make him just like a minor, just co like he would have been 1021 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,719 like the president Mayor that they go speak to. I think that would have 1022 01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:07,119 been very blackluster. So I'm happy. I'm happy Matt Reeves wanted to rewrite 1023 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:15,199 this. So let's see the original or the Maurice. The ranking is a 1024 01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:19,840 reference of Maurice Evans, who played doctors as in Planet Apes and Beerneath the 1025 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,960 Planet Apes. So that's why you got that name, So there you go. 1026 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,000 I already said that. Yeah, the photo is of Gary Oldman's kids. 1027 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:28,719 The film takes place in twenty twenty six, so guys, we've got 1028 01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:32,679 a couple more years and then it is over. The name Blue Eyes was 1029 01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:36,760 given to Caesar's son because he is the first generation to be born without the 1030 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,039 chemical that changed the rest of the apes to make their eyes appear green in 1031 01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:43,719 the laboratory. So he's got all the functions of these apes, but he 1032 01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:45,599 doesn't have the sid effects of the eyes. So there you go. Interesting. 1033 01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:51,800 In contrast to the previous movie, this film shot motion capture mostly in 1034 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,239 exterior sets. Circus remark that shooting outside motion capture suits made all the actors 1035 01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,159 actresses playing apes very sweaty and smelly that they hardly dare had come close to 1036 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,559 any other people after a few days, so I guess they were just like 1037 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:09,360 those suits were tapes. Yeah, which I think we will get you in 1038 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,159 the story, you know. So Gary Oldman said he doesn't like me in 1039 01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:16,079 the movies he's made or is acting in them, including critically acclaimed once The 1040 01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,239 Midday. He's taken a lot of rules for money. He said that about 1041 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,880 Batman and Harry Potter. But he said he decided to work on this film 1042 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,679 because he was a big family original and he thought the script was very good. 1043 01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:29,000 Is that how he probably feels about Book of Eli too, Probably? 1044 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,239 Yeah. I think he said most of his films he didn't like those films, 1045 01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:34,320 So he's just he's just selling all the time. But yeah, I 1046 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,159 told the story. Yeah. Ruper Broyer declined drate this film, saying he 1047 01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:42,719 was uncomfortable with the original lock release date of May twenty three, twenty twenty 1048 01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,920 four May twenty third, twenty twenty fourteen and would not give him enough time 1049 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,239 to work on the film. However, just a few months before the release, 1050 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:53,000 the film slot was delayed and replaced with X Men Days of Future Pass. 1051 01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,519 So yeah, I'm sure he was kind of like, yeah, let's 1052 01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:00,599 see. When Coba first challenge to Caesar, Coba ultimately backs down to show 1053 01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:04,079 submission. He lowers his body and a position extends his hand to Caeesar and 1054 01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:09,880 knowledges gesture by swiping and touching COVID's hand. This is accurate to chimp chimpanzee's 1055 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:15,320 behavior and how chimpanzees interact. Establishing dominant slash submissive roles, so it's very 1056 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,480 much, you know, lifelike. And then in the original ending, the 1057 01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:24,440 apes returned to the Mirror Forest with a military battleship pursuing them. What they 1058 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,239 were kind of referring to, like, oh, they're on their way. 1059 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,119 Director Matt Reeves changed the ending following ambigious reactions by the preview audience, saying 1060 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,239 that the original ending to skipped the emotional beats and should not end with an 1061 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:39,440 unknown entity. The present ending with the Clark and Anie Circus were filmed weeks 1062 01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:45,199 before the release of the film Any Circus via Skype Call and Sorry, and 1063 01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:47,159 Matt Reeves was on set, so he directed them via skype call, and 1064 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,760 Circus was also standing providing lines for Clark on the set, so they like, 1065 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:58,039 really Jimmy rigged that ending between Clark and like at one point Circus is 1066 01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:02,199 playing both roles, is directing through Skype like but it's this is why it's 1067 01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:08,280 so interesting, because everybody always like the studio or test audiences where and that's 1068 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,239 why I like, that's why I will always do this as long as we 1069 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,920 have power over it. Because there's stuff that when we put our drink Ramount 1070 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,400 and people like, oh, let's here. It's like, oh, yeah, 1071 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,079 that's good, like we could do that or that's something take note like 1072 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,039 to me most times and most directors will say, oh, I fucking hate 1073 01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:25,559 test audiences, but I completely agree with the test audience. Where to me, 1074 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:29,159 if you don't get that final scene with Malcolm and uh Caesar, that's 1075 01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:30,679 a disappointment. And then just like it ending in some chasing and them being 1076 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,559 chased for the forest. To me, it's like that that sounds like such 1077 01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:36,840 a lackluster ending compared to what we got of if you say goodbye to Malcolm 1078 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,239 they like you said, we all said we like those lines. Oh we 1079 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,079 wish it could have worked out. You see sees standing over the apes. 1080 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,000 That's where it's like sometimes test audiences and things like that and some even studio 1081 01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:48,119 notes are not the worst thing in the world, because to me, it 1082 01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:51,280 made the movie much better than whatever that ending. I was like a chase 1083 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,599 through the forest, like all right, cool, Like it would have felt 1084 01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,440 weird if we never saw Malcolm again after the ball went off, like that 1085 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,679 would have been very odd for Caesar and Malcolm never interact like so, you 1086 01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:05,719 know, a good thing. So that's all I know, I know what 1087 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,639 I have. You can go look. There's tons of notes about like the 1088 01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:13,400 the you know, the working and the wet end all that stuff. Kirkland, 1089 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,599 did those meet you expectations below lesser? Yeah? I was all right, 1090 01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:19,239 yeah when you set me up, when you said that, I was 1091 01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:21,280 like, I don't think I got anything like amazing, Like you know, 1092 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,320 it's all just expected a lot. I don't know. Why were you like 1093 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,320 we were expecting was one and you're like, man, I wish I knew 1094 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,639 more about blank chest fucking everybody got weird foot disease from working in the wet 1095 01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:35,800 and their mocap suits something like that section of vehicles like on the matter, 1096 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:44,639 the cap had a weird arousal effect on all the actors. I was walking 1097 01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:48,840 around a bunch of boners. Uh, I will give this film. Uh 1098 01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:57,480 easy. They had the CGI but had to double double to hidle the boners. 1099 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,719 And you should see the uncut cut. You know, just all these 1100 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:05,760 ap is hard all the time. They're just skull fucking people. Coba loved 1101 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:12,119 it, but easy ten at ten one of the best movies of this generation, 1102 01:08:12,719 --> 01:08:15,719 I said, one of the best sci fi movies. Fantastic thing. 1103 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,520 This was the coming out party for Matt Reeves because we'll talk about war, 1104 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,439 but then that led to the Batman, like Matt Reeves is just uh, 1105 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,520 he's an incredible directing genius that comes here and everybody else writer's crew. Of 1106 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,920 course I circus all of them as well too, but Matt Reeves came in 1107 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,399 and his crew stepped it up. And yeah, fantastic movie. So yeah, 1108 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:43,680 easy ten ten for me, Taylor. Yeah, I'm gonna go no. 1109 01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,279 Ten out of ten. This movie was. It's just so good. 1110 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,119 I love the messaging in these Apes movies. It's so powerful. If you 1111 01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:54,640 ever just want to feel like you're a piece of shit, watch these movies 1112 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,560 because it just is a great I was watching it. While I was watching 1113 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,399 this, I just heard like core in my mind. It's just like so 1114 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,439 betraying your own race, so exactly. Yeah, and yeah, it's just 1115 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,920 as I already said, the messaging, the characters, and Caesar is just 1116 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:14,600 such an interesting Ape character just to follow along, and so many cinematic climactic 1117 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,399 moments that occur in this movie, so things just get heated. And it's 1118 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:25,359 just segues too, and just a crazier sequel that's just freaky and terrifying. 1119 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,680 I can't wait to retro that with you guys. But it stands as a 1120 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,880 ten out of ten. This thing ages so well, and I'm I'm just 1121 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:36,880 so happy that this world that were seeing unfold and build is the one that's 1122 01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,039 being continued on in Kingdom of the Plant of the Apes. I think that 1123 01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:43,880 just that that's just a sweet spot. And I was always afraid, like 1124 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,359 maybe we're not going to get that continuation, but yeah, this is just 1125 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,760 it's fantastic, and this movie does a great job really expanding upon the world 1126 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,279 and getting a little bit one last well I shouldn't say one last dose, 1127 01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:57,760 but just giving the audience a little bit more of just humans still at a 1128 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,600 very powerful point, and dealing with the tension of apes as well instead of 1129 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,239 just being only apes existing and just like one or two people kind of thing 1130 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:15,039 like that. So it's it's cool, cool situation. Yeah, I uh, 1131 01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:17,119 I think I'll go ten and ten as well. Here we'll go thirty 1132 01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:21,800 for thirty on this one. I you know, there's some super minor things 1133 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,279 that I think I didn't love initially, but the more that we were talking 1134 01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:30,279 about, I did actually, you know, change my mind. I do 1135 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,760 like the decision that Cobo was the one that that shot Caesar, because as 1136 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,079 you guys were, you know, and Carver up there, Yeah, I 1137 01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:40,159 know that that wouldn't make sense, like because I was just thinking, like 1138 01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:43,920 I did want the threat to be the humans that that that kind of starts, 1139 01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:47,239 you know, throws the match on the flame or not on the flames 1140 01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:51,319 on the gasoline to just ignite this fire. But it it is important to 1141 01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:56,039 show that the apes are also capable of, you know, the evil side 1142 01:10:56,039 --> 01:10:58,439 of it. And that's kind of what Caesar's doubled down on by the end 1143 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,880 when they're chilling and will House and he's just having this existential crisis moment kind 1144 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:09,239 of what the fuck's going on? Yeah, and like yeah, things like 1145 01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:11,800 that. I think they're just such minor cons that they don't really bring down 1146 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,479 the overall enjoyment of the film. I think it's so so interesting to have 1147 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,760 a movie like this where they really could just have humans versus apes and that's 1148 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:24,680 the plot, but like they do make it very very mixed in the middle, 1149 01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:29,199 that there is good and bad on both sides, and just you know, 1150 01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:33,000 when when they try to have the effort to bring about peace. It's 1151 01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:36,159 not always so easy, and there is just so many variables that can just 1152 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,760 really bring down the whole castle. And I think that's kind of what's shown 1153 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,199 here. And you know, by the end of the movie, like Koba's 1154 01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:47,239 decision, it leads them to war, like they can't just okay, we 1155 01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:51,079 took out Coba. That like, like that's dealt with. We can just 1156 01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:55,680 go back to living in the woods. Like it's just Pandora's box is open 1157 01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,159 and they can't go back from that moment. They already have the soldiers coming 1158 01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:02,119 in from the north, and it just it's a really nice setup movie, 1159 01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:05,800 I think for what war is. And uh yeah, I think it does 1160 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:11,600 its job really really well here And yeah, no, great movie, great, 1161 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,880 fantastic movie. It was great first time watching it, you know, 1162 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,039 ten years later from the release and finally, yeah, it would have sucked 1163 01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:21,439 if it was the opposite a ten years and then just dog shit and absolute 1164 01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:26,600 ass. Yeah what are these people talking about? You know? So well, 1165 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,000 there you go, ladies, gentlemen, next of or next up, 1166 01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:32,640 we will have war for the Plan of the Apes before we do Kingdom of 1167 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:40,520 Plant Mapes, and it will not be boring in the bag no no,