1 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:21,320 What is crack a lacing fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I and Dan Valley back 2 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:28,600 at Long Last with my certified fantabulous thermo nuclear af handy as fuck co host 3 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:33,520 mister Grant Hughes, installing dishwashers, taking care of kids, handling his own 4 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,640 work. Dude is a is a superhero? Solo parenting or was solo parenting 5 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:42,799 For a few days. We are here to do our NBA trade deadline primers. 6 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,399 We're doing something a little different this year. We normally split it up 7 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,520 by division and publish it a six separate episode so that we can maybe make 8 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,280 some money off the audio. We said fuck that. This year, We're 9 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,560 doing it by conference. We're doing the entire Eastern Conference. And so I'm 10 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,560 asking all of you, whether you're listening for the first time, you're probably 11 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,920 not listening, give you this long intro. If you are a first time 12 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,120 listener, returning listeners, share the ever live in hell out of this however, 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,120 you can like it and comment on YouTube, link it to other people, 14 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:11,959 tweet it, bump our tweets on Twitter. Make this thing the most 15 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,439 engaged with episode we have because it's a bear and we are making some sort 16 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,319 of concession by not separating it, and we're also forcing ourselves to be a 17 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:23,840 little bit more prudent with the time as well, because now we can't spend 18 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,599 ten minutes on every team. Otherwise you'd be sitting here for ninety hours. 19 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,280 That's about it, Grit, How the heck you doing? Though? Before 20 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,640 we get started, jin Well, I like to think, based on what 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,040 you were saying earlier, that there must be It's fun to imagine that there 22 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,000 are people that just pick out new podcasts and only listen to the intros just 23 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,840 to see, like, am i going to be into this? That's what 24 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:49,519 I'm supposed to do? Skipping right to whatever the SEO buzzwords are. We 25 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,799 probably, i think, because we talk about ourselves at the beginning, which 26 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,840 is more of like that's how we interact with listeners about this on discord, 27 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,079 we probably do miss out on newcomers who are sitting here and it's oh or 28 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,840 one hundred and twenty seconds in they've said jack shit about the NBA trade deadline. 29 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:06,799 So I'm skipping. I do time stampateous so I don't feel bad, 30 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:13,080 and that just fits with the mounting motif of me not giving a fuck whereas 31 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,080 podcast is fun, we want to do it. I like talking to you 32 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,360 and this look, this intro could be longer if Granton I didn't spend like 33 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,120 forty to fifty minutes every single time wrapping off air. Yeah, that's all 34 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,960 behind the paywalls. Welcome everybody for keeping this tight. So which division did 35 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,479 you want to start with? We're still gonna do. We'll separate them by 36 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,479 divisions, but there's gonna be one giant easter commerce podcast. What division do 37 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,280 we want to start with here? Let's go Southeast just because that also gets 38 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:42,039 us to the letter A for the Atlanta Hawks to start that division off. 39 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:45,800 All right, So the Atlanta Hawks. This is just gonna be pretty free 40 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,719 flowing. We'll talk about numbers, cap situations, if we need two trade 41 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:52,759 targets, whatever. What are your thoughts about the Atlanta Hawks leading into the 42 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:53,960 too the trade deadline? What do they need? What should they do? 43 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,319 What are they gonna do? I mean, it's almost a shit since I 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,680 was gonna say, it's all almost a shame we're starting here, except I 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,879 just decided that we would start here forty seconds ago because I think, why 46 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,280 are you making a story? I think, well, we gotta just if 47 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:15,000 we can go with Letter A to start, we have to, I think, 48 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,080 so it would have been more interesting maybe to hit them after we got 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,319 through a couple of other teams, just because had we randomly selected them, 50 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,120 chances are they would have been buyers, because that's what most of the league 51 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:30,000 is right now. I think, with a few exceptions and I and by 52 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:32,080 contrast, I think Atlanta, I was just thinking about this more today, 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,039 could be pretty uniquely positioned as a team that should sell and happens to have 54 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,919 like a handful of pieces led by de Jonte Murray that because of the way 55 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,560 the market is, you might get like really good value or even like above 56 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,360 market value if there's enough of a bidding war for some of these guys like 57 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,800 Bogdanovic, I think is someone that fits anywhere. Murray, you could say 58 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,360 that about as well, Like even guys like Capella and Hunter are both you 59 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,159 know, not on ridiculous contracts that last and they've they're proven starters. But 60 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,840 the Hawks should be looking to move all of those guys, and that's what 61 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:08,319 all the reports indicate they're doing. So I think they're kind of unique, 62 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,719 not totally uniquely positioned, but sort of uncommonly positioned as a kind of maybe 63 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:16,720 a very you know, high leverage seller with a bunch of buyers out there 64 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,079 that they could maybe you know, gin up some pretty good offers from yeah, 65 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,839 And look, they should be sellers because they are bad and they are 66 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,360 not really that fun to watch, and they do have quality players on the 67 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:33,439 team. They've been banged up at points, but they specifically, even though 68 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,319 ownership will never cop to this, care about not paying a luxury tax. 69 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:41,959 And they I think have like nine million dollars in room under the luxury atacks 70 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,920 for the next season before factoring in the Sadik Bay contract if they want to 71 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,439 keep him. And it's not just about next season, it's about oh, 72 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,879 Jalen Johnson's gonna be on a new deal in twenty five twenty six. You 73 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,120 have Dejeon Frey Murray's extension kicking in next year. That's reasonable enough. But 74 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,439 on Yaka Congu's money's kicking in next season, you're gonna get at progressively more 75 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:04,160 expensive. And they don't want to pay the tax. They're not Frankly, 76 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,560 they're not good enough. I don't I'm not gonna try and save billionaires money. 77 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,800 But this is not a team that should be paying the tax anytime soon. 78 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,959 I'm interested they could be the team that defines the deadline, just because 79 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:18,519 there's a dearth of sellers as you mentioned, and Toronto may have already just 80 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,920 played its selling chip. There's no guarantee we'll get to them that they move 81 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,759 Pascal Siakam, if the offers aren't great for Zach Lavine, or even if 82 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:29,199 they move Zach Colvine. It feels like there might be a market of one 83 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,319 team being the Lakers there and the Hawks have multiple players DeAndre Hunter. They 84 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,920 basically the report was everyone but Trey Young can be had, which really mean 85 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,040 to believe. I think they also mentioned Jalen Johnson's being untouchable. Probably smart, 86 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,199 but if they could probably move him for if they're worried about money in 87 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:49,399 the coming years, they probably get really good value for him, so they 88 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:53,839 could even move in Yekakungu. They have Clint Coppela, they have Bodna Magdonovich. 89 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:56,759 I personally don't think Trey Young should be off the table, but if 90 00:05:56,759 --> 00:06:00,399 you're looking to reorient your roster around him, I do. Do you think 91 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:04,480 the Dejonte Murray partnership it hasn't panned out, I would say, in large 92 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:08,920 part because I don't think the personnel around it is built to help it pan 93 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,600 out. But if you need to be that ultra specific, and you think 94 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:14,959 the backcourse too small, and you're treating Murray too much like your primary wing 95 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:17,920 defender while also asking him to shoulder this you should be primary point of attack 96 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:21,600 defender while also asking him to shoulder this massive burden on offense. And he's 97 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,839 been great on offense this year, you should move him, I would. 98 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,240 I would just throw to you, is what are you looking for? Then? 99 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,720 In return? Is this a team they're no longer linked to Siakam like, 100 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,800 are they gonna be looking for actual guys? Or is this a team 101 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,959 that should just load up on picks, especially because they have some of their 102 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,920 own picks oh to san Antonio in the company years. Yeah, I think 103 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,319 you kind of can't have it both ways. And so since I'm since I'm 104 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,959 making the case that they should be really opportunistic sellers. I don't think a 105 00:06:51,079 --> 00:06:56,079 seller in their position should be looking for how do I get someone that's like 106 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,720 as good as Dejonte Murray but plays a position that makes more sense on this 107 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:01,800 team? You know that's in his late twenties or whatever. I think. 108 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:05,639 I think it's and this is maybe the you know, most analysts that we 109 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,480 oversimplify, but it's like, just get picks, get young players, strip 110 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,040 off a bunch of this salary that you don't want, which is not that 111 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,360 easy because you've got to make the money match generally speaking. So but I 112 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:21,199 would I would just be pivoting towards like, Yeah, if you're going to 113 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:25,439 keep Trey Young around, what kind of young pieces make sense next to him? 114 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:29,040 How do we get the picks that we can maybe package together for a 115 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,079 current star that makes sense next to him. I'm not looking to kind of 116 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,480 reshuffle. I think I'm looking to kind of trim the fat and do like 117 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,199 a soft rebuild, I guess, is what you might have to call it. 118 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,879 And I think regardless, even if you need Murray, the wings are 119 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,439 where it really needs to be upgraded. I think you can get by with 120 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,199 your big man rotation of having Jalen Johnson, a Kunglu and even Copella there, 121 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:54,279 but like the DeAndre Hunter, you have Badanovich, you're not playing aj 122 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,399 Griffin. Is that someone a team could buy low on or buy medium on. 123 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,600 At this point, I feel like, you know, he's least intriguing 124 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,199 as an offensive prospect. Who do you think is the most likely player to 125 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:07,000 be traded on this roster? It's a deep bay penciled in just because he's 126 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,839 headed towards RFA, And I don't know, necessarily know why you pay him 127 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:15,839 when I don't think he gives you enough defensively. I think I'm maybe being 128 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,680 a little bit too much a prisoner of the moment in saying it, But 129 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,839 like it seems like the momentum is building towards Murray. I think Fisher, 130 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,800 Jake Fisher recently, I don't know when, when are you gonna put this 131 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:31,600 up tomorrow on Friday or so, like Jake Fisher on Thursday basically made the 132 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:35,960 I think it's an interesting point, and it's kind of right, like Siakam 133 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:39,279 might just make sense for Toronto to keep him and try to resign him, 134 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,080 and Levine has no market and so Murray might just be like the biggest name 135 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,600 that moves. And so again that's good for the Hawks because that means you're 136 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,559 gonna get probably more than you would have otherwise for him. So he's as 137 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,080 much as they gave up for him, though well, that's a great question. 138 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:56,440 I don't know. I don't know if the value of first rounders has 139 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,240 changed enough in like the intervening what is it been less than two years? 140 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,399 But like in a post Donovan Mitchell post Rudy Gobert post Murray trade world, 141 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,559 I don't know if teams are throwing three and you know, three first in 142 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,399 a swap in deals anymore. I don't know if you can do that. 143 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:16,320 Yeah, there's like there are some teams and first of all, compared to 144 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:20,000 Zaqueene is so easy to find intriguing to Jonte Murray trade destinations. I even 145 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,120 like him the thing that you didn't spoil. I love him in Golden State. 146 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,159 I think that's a perfect fit. I have a three team trade. 147 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,080 I'll say it for the West because I brought the wrong phone upstairs with me, 148 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:33,039 so it's on my phone. But I think he would talk about a 149 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,399 lot. But like the two teams that I'm looking as if you were really 150 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,679 just looking to what we want a goola like just this, like stew of 151 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:45,159 picks Utah because they can trade out like these lower leverage picks if they want 152 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,039 or protect the hell out of them. Or even Orlando would be kind of 153 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:52,200 interesting because he is an offensive upgrade over Markel Foltz when he's healthy, Anthony 154 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,799 Black, even Jaellen Suggs type minutes. So maybe you could get three or 155 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,600 the equivalent of two plus first round picks for him from They're not going to 156 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:03,519 be like those Hawks twenty five and twenty seven picks. And I don't know 157 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,840 if you saw the report that San Antonio might be interested in Murray. Murray 158 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,559 doesn't seem like he enjoyed it there too much. That feels more about like, 159 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,879 well, we can get him for less, and we're also gonna make 160 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:15,600 this team worse in the process, and we own their picks. That's what 161 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,519 that felt like. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna get even a single 162 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,639 pick that's as valuable right now as the twenty five or twenty seven Hawks pick. 163 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,720 Is. No, I mean, they might get one, it's hard 164 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:28,720 to say. I think, well, I think among the many things that's 165 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,720 interesting about this deadline is I think we will get sort of a referendum on 166 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,840 what first round picks are worth now. Yeah, because it's been kind of 167 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,320 at least in flux over the last couple of years, and you know, 168 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,960 who knows, maybe maybe you know, with the thunder in Utah just sitting 169 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,440 out there, like not knowing what to do with all their first Like, 170 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,480 we may see another big trade that involves four or five first, but like, 171 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,759 I don't know that those two going nuts with their picks would reset the 172 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:56,120 market. I'm just I'm really curious to see, Like the Ananobe trade was 173 00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:01,919 really instructive because like for a while, they're the stupid number was four first, 174 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,039 so they were given you know, we don't know the nature of those 175 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,000 first We don't know how legit that report was, but it wasn't uncommon to 176 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:11,600 hear mchail bridges, Oh there's offers for three or four first or something like 177 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,480 that, and then you know anterob goes for like players instead, which is 178 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:20,440 like a weird thing on its own, given the recent like nature of a 179 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,919 lot of big trades. But yeah, I think I think Murray is likely 180 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,919 to move just based on the reporting and based on like the logic of it. 181 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:31,679 It's just it. The Hawks might just really be in a lucky position, 182 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,759 ironically, because they've been such a disappointment this year. But like, 183 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,039 if you've got the guy that everybody wants and can fit and like is making 184 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:45,840 a really reasonable salary, like you're just in a good spot and so not 185 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:48,720 only like is he likely to be traded? I think they they really like 186 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,000 just should because I don't know that his value is going up from this point. 187 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:54,840 I will say to wrap them up because we want to get in specific 188 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:56,519 targets for a team. This team is just impossible to do it without knowing 189 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,240 what they sort of look like. After if you're gonna move mur it should 190 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:03,519 be you know, if you're moving him to the Lakers, you should really 191 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,080 push for Austin Reeves. I don't think they give him up for Murray though. 192 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,360 If he's moving to the Warriors, I actually would push for Moody over 193 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:11,159 Kaminga. Just you have Jalen Johnson, you have a conglu Do you really 194 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,399 need Kaminga if you can get both, sure? Uh. And then if 195 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:16,919 you're gonna set him the Knicks, you need to like Quentin Grimes needs to 196 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:20,159 be in that deal for you. And then there's like I don't really know 197 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:22,919 if like they're probably not gonna love ak Boaji from Utah, you're gonna want 198 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,240 to build that around picks like those are kind of the three prospects where if 199 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:30,600 you're moving Murray. I don't think Orlando would give up Anthony Black for Murray. 200 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,200 I probably wouldn't. I So, uh, next team, though probably 201 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,120 a lot easier team to tackle LaMelo Ball is returning. We're on to the 202 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,600 Charlotte Hornets, by the way, in case anybody didn't see that one coming. 203 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Uh, they are I have them listed, So we we didn't do 204 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:48,720 buyers or sellers. We have the Hawks as sellers. The Hornets they're sellers 205 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,320 and I think they should be. So they're bad like they just but they 206 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,159 don't actually have too much to sell. Tyro Zier is balling right now. 207 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:01,000 In the fact that he's been doing it without lam Ball, which is not 208 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:03,919 really something that happened last year, that's going to drive up his trade value, 209 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:09,840 even on a contract that it's a little steep for someone who does what 210 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:13,480 he does. He has after this season. Excuse me, he has two 211 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:18,480 years and what is it like forty something million dollars left and mostly one five 212 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,480 fifty and most of it is is guaranteed. So but there are teams that 213 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,960 just like the way he's shooting this year, and he'll he'll at least try 214 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,679 on defense. I think you absolutely should try to move him if you can. 215 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,519 Gordon Ayward's expiring contract, it feels like they're going to be tracking towards 216 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:37,759 a buyout because I don't think they want to take on bad money. But 217 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:41,080 if there's a team out there that's either willing to send you some seconds with 218 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:46,039 another expiring contract or just like as an example, if the Nets want to 219 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,799 get off of Ben Simmons's money and they're willing to compensate you for it, 220 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,679 you should be in a position to consider. And you should be listening on 221 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,240 anyone who's not LaMelo or Brandon Miller. And that includes Mark Williams who's dealing 222 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,240 with the back injury, so his value might be at the the Nader. 223 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,840 I just be on Rosier and Gordon Hayward. Are there many interesting players that's 224 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:07,960 like, you know, a healthy Cody Martin or maybe a Nick Richards. 225 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:09,360 Is someone looking to take a fly or a backup five. And then my 226 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,720 dark horse would be I know they have Miles Bridges on this team, but 227 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,559 his his bird rights don't transfer, and so if your team that's trading for 228 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,799 him, it's probably as a rental unless you're gonna have cap space this year. 229 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,840 PJ Washington then becomes more interesting for me, someone who can toggle between 230 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,320 the four and the five. For you. Yeah, I think I'm glad 231 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,080 you mentioned Rosier off off the bat, because like I was just thinking of 232 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,200 him as like you think about Murray this way a little bit too, as 233 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,679 like an alternative to zach Lavine. If you're just not interested in the remaining 234 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,440 three years and what is it one hundred and thirty something one hundred and forty 235 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,039 million dollars left on that deal, Like Terry Roger is gonna make fifty one 236 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,960 forty nine point eight guaranteed over the next two How much worse is Terry Rosier 237 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:58,440 really than Zach Lavine, especially if what you're asking both of them to do 238 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,799 is be like a third option, like not that much. Like it's Exactlyvin 239 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,120 is a better player than Terry Rogier, like full stop. But I mean, 240 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,399 if you're concerned about that money, which obviously everyone is, or else 241 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:13,440 the Levine would be on a different team by now, Rosier is like a 242 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,799 pretty sweet like consolation prize or you know, poor man's version of that will 243 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,440 actually defend. Like that's that's the thing, Like I mean, as an 244 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,200 alternative to Levine, I think anyone that was like remotely interested in him has 245 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,759 to be looking at Rosier. But yeah, I also like the PJ. 246 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,919 Washington pick too. I think he also has a lot of that like he'll 247 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,679 fit kind of whatever you need him to be, as long as he's between 248 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,960 somewhere between like your fifth and you know, eighth guy, which he's paid 249 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,120 you know, reasonably enough to sort of occupy that. Right. Yeah, 250 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,879 that's like that's that's not even like that's not that's not starter money. It 251 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:52,399 just isn't. So I think I think he's a nice fit too. I 252 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,879 would be curious what he fetches, though, because his efficiency is just all 253 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,960 the way down. Well, plus, the market over the summer kind of 254 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,399 told you, right, I mean restrict, he was restricted, but it's 255 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,559 like nobody it didn't seem like anybody was coming into Bowl Charlotte over with an 256 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,799 offer sheet they wouldn't match. So I don't know what his value is to 257 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,399 be frank And the priority for this team just needs to be picks. They 258 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,840 don't have an extra first round pick. They deficitely owe a first round pick, 259 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,159 but it's not it's lottery protected the next two years. It's not headed 260 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,440 anywhere before it turns into two seconds, and so I think Rosier gets you 261 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:30,639 a first round pick even with the balance of his money there I don't know 262 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,519 about maybe PJ. Washington would get you a lower level one. So like 263 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:37,159 those, you're not getting a first round pick for Miles Bridges, You're not 264 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,919 getting a first round pick for Gordon Hayward unless you're taking back really really bad 265 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,320 money. But that needs to be the priority. And if you're looking at 266 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,240 actual players, I understand that they basically need everything at this point, Like 267 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:51,159 can you get another is Brandon Miller the second creator alongside the mellow or do 268 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,360 you still need to find that guy? I would just target like you have 269 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,720 Brandon Miller, Like let's get in some just like defensive minded perimeter players and 270 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:03,440 it's you know it is Isaaca Corro available in Cleveland. Or you know the 271 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,559 fact that they even just punted kind of on like the Dennis Smith Junior minutes 272 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:08,559 this year, Like should they be the team that just takes a flyer on 273 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,839 Killian Hayes because they didn't bring back the SJ just to give him some especially 274 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,440 mel is not going to be hurt anymore, but just to try them out 275 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,839 on offense, but they get their defense in there, get a look before 276 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,880 restricted free agency. It's like they should be in the sort of the the 277 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,519 second draft mode because I don't even think, let's say, if the Knicks, 278 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:27,960 I guess you could get someone like a quent and Grinds from the Knicks 279 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,039 if you're trading Terry Rose here. That's that's probably fair to say, but 280 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:34,079 it's just like, that's what you should be. You should be in the 281 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,240 market more so for tangible picks. In my opinion, I agree with that, 282 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,759 but that's funny. I was thinking, like, gosh, who's like 283 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:45,119 a distressed like high draft pick recently that it would be worth the second draft 284 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,000 kind of theory. Flyers like someone like James Book. Oh right, they 285 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:52,799 have James Book, and I like someone someone like that that just their team 286 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,039 is ready to call it quits, and it's like, hey, he's got 287 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:59,200 the draft pedigree. Why not, right, Like just the James Wiseman theory 288 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,599 for the Pistons like that kind of thing, like, oh, what the 289 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:03,160 hell, Like we're gonna be bad, Let's just see if this guy figures 290 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,000 it out someplace new most likely there to be traded for you on this team 291 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,759 before we move on it would have been Hayward for a while, But I 292 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,279 think that's just like you said, that ship has sailed. I guess I'll 293 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:18,799 go I guess I will go Rosier. I just think he has the broadest 294 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,480 appeal you know, and Hayward. Do you think this is a larger question, 295 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,440 so it's not really it's Hornets related, but the fact that he can't 296 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,039 sign with like teams past the first apron once he gets the buyout market, 297 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:33,200 since he's making more than the mid level, do you think that makes it 298 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:34,279 less likely that he's bought out or is it kind of just like well, 299 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:38,720 I mean I look at a bunch of these teams that are still like like 300 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:42,200 he could still help in there, like the Lakers could technically fit him in 301 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,240 off the Battle, the Knicks could, and that might be a team that 302 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:47,839 he helps. So I think he still gets bought out if he's not moved. 303 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:51,240 But I'm just wondering from your end, do you think that those limitations 304 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 on what would be the upper tier teams that a lot of these guys might 305 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,480 decide to sign with you if it was a Milwaukee or the Quippers. I 306 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,680 look at it as though if you go to those teams you're minutes to Milwaukee 307 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,519 this year, maybe not, but like for a lot of these teams you 308 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:03,920 wouldn't play a lot of minutes. So you find the balance of all, 309 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,000 right, well, the teams that can actually sign me are the ones that 310 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,880 could probably play me in the most minutes too. Yeah, it's interesting like 311 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,440 that. You know, you're always looking for what are the unintended consequences of 312 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:15,599 CBA changes, and it might be that it's like it's kind of punitive. 313 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,119 I mean, this is not like a no one's gonna weep for Gordon Hayward 314 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,559 because like, oh, your team wants to pay you money. Did not 315 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,960 have to play, Like that's too bad. You don't have a lot of 316 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,480 options that feel sorry for you. But like that does seem like maybe one 317 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:33,559 of the unintended consequences is like maybe it doesn't make as much sense to to 318 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,839 proceed how you maybe would have under the old rules. If like, however, 319 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,359 many teams that you know just can't sign them because it like that's that's 320 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,960 that's gonna be an interesting thing to track with the CBA. Yeah, Like 321 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,880 I bet he gets bought out just because like who's who's got the who's got 322 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,880 the salary and the and the assets to like make that work. I don't 323 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,680 want to spoil I don't want to spoil the team because I actually like him 324 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,319 on a certain team that's trying to get better but shouldn't be getting better, 325 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,279 So you could get him and get better without harming your future. And that's 326 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:07,319 just that's the mystery teas that is I'm onto the Miami Heat, onto the 327 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,519 Miami Heat. So basically my thought on them is they're buyers. Obviously, 328 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:18,839 I think they need to target a guard. I think it's a guard, 329 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:22,200 but like a shot creator really just an offensive someone on offense, like you 330 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,559 know, past dribbleshoot. That like one of the quiet reasons behind the Heat 331 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,319 being as solid as they've been this year, just bite injuries to a lot 332 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:32,920 of key guys as Kyle. Maybe I was talking to you about this I 333 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,640 can't remember, is that Kyle Lowry has been good and like durable and I 334 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,720 don't know, well it was I don't know how much you want to I 335 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,000 guess actually I do know how much you want to bank on that, which 336 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:47,400 is not very much at all continuing. So that just exacerbates the need for 337 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,880 someone that can come in and create shots in the back court. I don't 338 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,440 think they are in a position where they would look. I don't know. 339 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,079 I was gonna say, like flipping hero seems like we're kind of past talking 340 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,559 about that, but maybe that's something we're gonna go away. Well, So 341 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,839 the Donovan Mitchell rumors, which I did tackle on a previous pod, if 342 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:10,400 he did ask out this year, which I don't think he will. I 343 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,960 know people think he wants to be in New York Miami. Maybe he does. 344 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000 I just think the Cavs will revisit that over the off season because they 345 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,680 might have some other decisions to make with their dual big set up. Let's 346 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,440 let's let's put a pin in Mitchell till we get to Cleveland, because I 347 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,559 know that's all we're gonna talk about. I have thoughts on that too, 348 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,720 Okay, but so I think that is, like that's the type of movie 349 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:33,559 move hero in as salary matching on a team that could use him. Otherwise, 350 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:36,680 they're also up. They're only like four and to a half million dollars 351 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,559 away from the second apron. It's like that's something that's going to factor into 352 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,519 how they operate with their business. I'm with you, on biggest need I 353 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,000 could see. I mean, I look at it him like they really do, 354 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:49,079 like a frontline partner next to Bam. But it's just like a lot 355 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:52,240 of the stuff they're thrown out there is working anyway, and like Kayla Martin 356 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:57,880 will presumably eventually be healthier at some point. Also wild cause you mentioned Kyle 357 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:03,079 Lowry, I may leads this team in total minutes this season. Lowry and 358 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,079 Duncan Robinson are second and third, and like the heater, are still just 359 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,519 chugging along. And so do you even expect them to make a move because 360 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:14,720 everyone's mentioning like they could be a rosier team, and in theory, yeah 361 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:19,119 they could. But as you mentioned with Lowry, what is there truly expendable 362 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:25,279 salary matching fodder in a deal that's not for Yeah, you trade Hero or 363 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,440 Robinson or Kyle Lowry's expiring if you're getting a star, But if you're not 364 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,119 getting a star, is it like you know, let's say Boyan Bogdanovitch would 365 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,920 be very interesting here, Like how the fuck are you getting there with the 366 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,240 That's the thing, Lowry, is the salary that you're talking about just under 367 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,680 thirty million expiring, Like but but one if he does continue to matter for 368 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,640 you, like you know what is like guys want a title like he's he's 369 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:52,759 who you want in a playoff series in theory, even if he's like closer 370 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:57,319 to forty than you want your lead guard to be. But that's the salary 371 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,759 that's got to go because like if it say Bogdanovitch or whatever, and the 372 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:07,160 Hawks want off long term money, like I don't know, I guess, 373 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,359 I guess Bogdanovic is probably a better player, but like he's got his own 374 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,119 durability concerns at least, you know, in years past, like I do, 375 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,279 I wanted to fall to say the heater gonna make a move because they're 376 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:19,160 just they always seem to figure out how to do something. But it is 377 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,000 like it is a little trickier than maybe it seems like it ought to be 378 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,960 because like you said, there's not a lot of great options that one they 379 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,759 would give up and definitely get better by, you know, swapping them for 380 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:37,200 whoever they're getting in that same salary bracket, and two, like how much 381 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,000 do you want to mess with this? Because like Hawkes has been great and 382 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:42,880 like Duncan Robinson is reborn and that like, I don't know. I think 383 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,079 I want to add on the margins. I guess maybe that's the answer, 384 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,599 is we don't just go try to get the guy who's going to be our 385 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:52,200 third or fourth best player or something like that. Maybe you're going for an 386 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,000 eighth guy or something. I generally agree, except Jimmy Butler's thirty four. 387 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,359 So it's like, if it's not now, when, And so that's what 388 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,839 this team has to answer. Who do you think is their most likely player 389 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:11,160 to be traded so hard? I guess I'll say lowry, But I don't 390 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,519 like what do you think? I don't I don't love that pick. I 391 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,039 think it has to be lowry too, because they're only they're weirdly Or is 392 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:23,519 it sneakly like Caleb Martin just that mid end salary and that's how you're gonna 393 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,039 futon fiddle on the margins or is it well, why would we do that 394 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,720 when his values probably dipped and he was so important during the final run and 395 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680 just like Duncan, Robinson's too important right now, So it almost it has 396 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,720 to be lowerry unless you think it's going to be hero as part of some 397 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,519 move that we haven't for seen and like the Heat, I think they can 398 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,359 do a better job this summer of dictating the buyer's market where it's they can 399 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,200 throw more aggressive offers on the table. Is right now, their best offer, 400 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,480 their most aggressive offer is not going to get them Lowry Marketing, who 401 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,160 I also think would be a perfect fit. Like it's sure they don't. 402 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:56,440 I guess my point is right now, they don't have the assets to make 403 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,640 players who aren't available available like some of these other things would I do. 404 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,839 I mean, I like this for a lot of teams, but I like 405 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,920 the idea of Murray there, I just don't. I just don't know how 406 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,559 what you're giving the Hawks that that gets them interested. And I don't think 407 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:15,359 Cowry and Picks gives them cap relief after this season. But you actually need 408 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,599 to send back more money to Miami because Murray's so cheap, right, That's 409 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,240 that's part of the thing. Well, I can already tell I'm gonna mention 410 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,200 Murray like all the time on this just because he's in my head. Who's 411 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:32,640 next Orlando, the Orlando Magic? I have them as buyers. I think 412 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,480 they're one of the teams though in the vein of the thunder where it's like, 413 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,240 we don't expect them to do anything big because it's still very early in 414 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,480 their timeline, but they need to just get someone who can open up the 415 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,240 floor for everybody else in the half court, specifically make things easier on Pala 416 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,440 bank Cao, who just the fact that he's as good as he is operating 417 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,599 within the confines that he is is wild to me. I know people harp 418 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,039 on his efficiency and like that's been perking up anyway lately. But the way 419 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:57,480 that the do can get to the foul line or even generate his own shot, 420 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,960 I'm just I'm all in on the Palleo Banco experience. I think you 421 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,559 could go so many different routes here. It's just Dejan Dey Murray could help 422 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:08,559 them if you wanted to go, like, let's upgrade the point card. 423 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:12,880 Terror's year be a really good fit here, Buddy Healed if he gets sent 424 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,680 out in a Seakham trade to Toronto, like can you latch out? If 425 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,240 they don't want heel, can you latch onto that? Could they take a 426 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,640 flyer on Gary Trent Junior. Just someone who's gonna get you up threes in 427 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:29,599 volume, and they just they have the expendable salary to do it just so 428 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,240 much. Sorry to jump in, but like it blows you over, Like 429 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:36,640 how many like nice mid tier type of salaries they can they can toss into 430 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,720 deals. Yeah, and you should be willing to move. Like even Folts 431 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,920 just feels like he's gonna be a free agent. Is he really gonna stay 432 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,880 in Orlando when you have black and sugs and you just know that Wagner, 433 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,720 Cole Anthony and Ben Caro gonna do a lot of ball handling anyway. What's 434 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,400 also odd is they now with a sudden Wendell Carter Junior, I know he's 435 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,799 hurt all the time, might be expendable because of Mo Wagner. That's someone 436 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,599 who might get you more assets or could be viewed as a net positive in 437 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,759 a deal. So and just you know this goes to your salary. Meant 438 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,799 like they don't even have a contract that's tough to move right now just because 439 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,000 of how loosely guaranteed Jonathan Isaac is. The technically the toughest contract to move 440 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:14,640 is Cole Anthony, just because he's poison built. That's the only reason why. 441 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Even though that's not that bad move it under the new rules. So 442 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,480 I just I don't even know who the most likely player to be traded as 443 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,799 I might just put that like Chuma Okeke just maybe a team wants a flyer 444 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,160 on him, or they're just they need a smaller matching salary. I'm just 445 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,599 curious one if they do something and to what's the scale? We know it's 446 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,119 not going to be on the I would be shocked if they were a Murray 447 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,160 team. But are they willing to go like the Rosier route? Are they 448 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,720 going to think even lower level they could take it? Just because he's a 449 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,240 team option for next season. Luke Canard helps his team out a bunch. 450 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Kevin Hurder seems like he's going to a rutt and Sacramento, but he's eminently 451 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,720 available. Can you do something there? There's a lot of different routes that 452 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,920 go, and every single person that I just named would make me feel at 453 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,119 least three times better about their ability to want to make the playoffs and then 454 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,279 do some damage once they get there. Yeah. I don't know if you 455 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,640 mentioned maybe because everybody makes sense there. If you're a decent guard like Malcolm 456 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,200 Brogden, even just as like a stop gap, especially if if the Blazers 457 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,920 want off of some money just folks for Brogden is really easy. I think 458 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,599 Anthony Simon's if we're gonna stick with the Blazers, is someone that like, 459 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,960 why couldn't Orlando put a package together to do that? That might be the 460 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,519 best name fits their timeline. Yeah, yeah, I mean you could. 461 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,039 You could send back expiring salary, you could give them. I mean like 462 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,200 Gary Harris and Mark el Folt's done. Uh you want? I mean even 463 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:38,440 I I would you train Anthony Black for Simons? No, I don't think 464 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,079 I would either, but just but like that's not ridiculous, Like you could 465 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:45,759 at least start a conversation there too, So just Orlando could like are you 466 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:51,039 getting Matisse thaibleback and that deals? Like could is there something Kamani Kamara is 467 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,640 there are other things that are exchanging pans there? But my guess would be 468 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,680 no, that they're just there. They wouldn't do that little early I think. 469 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,759 But like just Wendell Carter's a really interesting piece too. It's kind of 470 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:07,880 on the Murray theory of like maybe the market isn't like so full of options 471 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,160 and if Carter I think we're like we're just jumping to the idea that Carter 472 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,599 is like speculatively available just because like Gogo Pitase, like you know, it 473 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,960 was an injury, but then Goga kind of kept starting for a while, 474 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,279 and Carter suddenly seems like slightly less important, but his contract is still so 475 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,960 good and he's still like a starting caliber center and he's young, still like 476 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,839 sneaky young, So like, I don't know that you need to trade him, 477 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,000 even if you do view him as a backup, because he's kind of 478 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,839 paid like one. So I mean, like, but if you want to, 479 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,160 like New Orleans, doesn't Wendell Carter if he's gonna shoot threes, you 480 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,519 know, at all, it makes sense in New Orleans he can do. 481 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:42,960 He's a good defensive player. We all thought Orlando's defense is gonna fall apart 482 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,559 when he got hurt, and it didn't. Like. He's also cheap enough 483 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,960 to where some teams could, like the Knicks, technically, I know that 484 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,119 Robinson's coming back to syear they have heart and stein like they could just get 485 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,400 him if they wanted to. And it's okay, we'll figure this out the 486 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,160 rest leader, because Harton's time to leave. If he has to be our 487 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,440 second big, that's how we'll treat him, and even he's value well because 488 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,720 you mentioned would you give up Black for so and so? Like throwing Wendell 489 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,920 Carter Junior a team like the blazer He's not he's young, his contract is 490 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,279 great. It's like the Blazers. If Wendell Carter Junior is a part of 491 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,119 the Anthony Simon's trade, that might be the asset that's coming in and it's 492 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,279 maybe it's a heavily protected like that Denver pick or something, and you're adding 493 00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,960 protections to it. Uh, there's a lot of stuff they could do if 494 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,920 I had to bet, though, Uh did you agree with By the way, 495 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,960 they're most likely player to be traded. I just they have so many 496 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,759 different ones. I would like to say that it's Falter Isaac because that means 497 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:32,720 they're thinking bigger. But this lends itself to what I'm gonna say now. 498 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,759 I think it's more likely the move they make might be on the scale of, 499 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,960 Oh, this was the Alec Burks team, like they just wanted they 500 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:45,680 got someone who could like give them those reserve filler minute or Jones Tyas Jones, 501 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,440 but would trade Why would you trade for? This is gonna be my 502 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,519 Tias Jones take across the board is like, why are you trading for him? 503 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:57,559 I guess, like unless you think he's the missing piece to your title 504 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,160 run this year when you could just sign him. You know, there's gonna 505 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,039 be a lot of teams that can sign him in the off season, right, 506 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,920 but if you can't get you don't need to give a first round pick 507 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,079 to get him then, And also if you want to send your cap space, 508 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,480 Like I don't know, but you know, when you said Alec Burks, 509 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,440 I got like viscerally disappointed because it's like, Oh, he's right. 510 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,680 That's all it's going to be, isn't it. It's not going to be 511 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,559 Simon's or Murray or anything like really exciting. I think you're probably right. 512 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,000 My most likely player to be traded I think is probably I would say Fults. 513 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,799 I think it should be false. I like, but I think that 514 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480 do you get the sense that like he's like pretty well liked there and like 515 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,720 as like a veteran, he's weird veteran, but we don't know what his 516 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,759 market's going to. They can still just bring him back. It's not like 517 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,400 they've invested heavily in any other guard right now. Cole Anthony came cheap with 518 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,240 his extension, but they need to focus on opening up the floor. And 519 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,240 as skilled as he is on the ball, as much as he has developed 520 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,599 his offensive skill set as a passer, isn't in between, guy, he's 521 00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:57,400 not doing that. No, No, so I I guess it's got to 522 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,039 be him, But man Orlando's and such. By the way, we don't 523 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,279 even really talk about their picks. They don't owe anybody a pick, like 524 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,440 how many How that's true for how many teams in the league. They got 525 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,000 a bunch coming in and none going out. That's yeah, they have When 526 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:13,640 they have denvers twenty twenty five, that's top five protected through twenty twenty seven. 527 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:15,960 By the way, is that their only extra No, they have another 528 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,160 first round pick in twenty sixteen coming from Phoenix or oh no, that's a 529 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440 swap, So they have one totally extra first round pick. It looks like 530 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,759 unless I'm misreading my own research, hopefully I'm not. So they have stuff 531 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,279 they looked. Even some of their seconds might be interesting though, And they 532 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,839 have all their own firsts as well too. And just that you mentioned already 533 00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:38,240 this year salary matching this next team's I guess sort of fun just because they 534 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,960 could sell a lot of people. The Washington Wizards are sellers. The degree 535 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,480 to which they're sellers will be interesting, But they have just a bunch of 536 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,160 players where and they're firmly before we get into most likely be traded or whatever, 537 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,759 they're firmly just in the extra first round picks, second draft guys, 538 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,079 whoever they are as part of those deals. And I do think they have 539 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,799 at least interesting enough players on this roster to where maybe you can get someone 540 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,359 interesting for Tias Jones or I think Kuzma is not being talked about nearly enough 541 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,960 that contract's declining, and he's improved enough defensively to where it's do you worry 542 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,519 about how he'll fit on offense as a third wheel maybe, but he did 543 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,240 kind of play that already in LA and figure out a way to do it. 544 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,440 He's a name might be looking at. I know, Danny obvious poison 545 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,640 pill, and I think he's probably playing too well for them to be like, 546 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,559 let's move him. But that's just someone almost any team I go, 547 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,400 do we need sort of combo forward defense or someone who can give us little 548 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,079 bit of ball handling or just a little bit of just these girthy drives even 549 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,200 though he's not super aggressive all the time. Still, the only untouchable player 550 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:43,359 on this roster is blow Cool Bali future MVP. Ala Cool Bali is there. 551 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,079 Like I will say, if I had to focus on a need, 552 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,839 if you were targeting someone delonn right by the way, I don't like some 553 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,359 of these guys. Might Delon Write is maybe a buyout candidate. I'd be 554 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,039 shocked if they move Jordan Poole mid season. I don't know who is that 555 00:33:55,119 --> 00:34:00,720 you would have to compensate? Would that? Yeah? Uh, I think 556 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:05,240 that if they're gonna target Actually, Daniel Gafford don't even mentioned Like there's players 557 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,679 on this roster that are intriguing for other teams. If you're gonna target something, 558 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,639 and I know they kind of need everything, I do think it should 559 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,800 be. Is there a young primary ball handler type, even if they're a 560 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,199 distressed asset, we just take a flyer on because that's what we're gonna need 561 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,440 moving forward. If you know Tias Jones isn't gonna be here, they could 562 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,760 obviously draft one, but they don't even have that necessarily. As good as 563 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,639 tyas Jones have been this season, it ain't Jordan Poole, Like, you 564 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:34,199 don't want Kyle Kuzma running your offense and maybe Ballab gets there one day. 565 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,440 We haven't seen that type of usage from him, but that would be the 566 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,400 archetype of player I'd be targeting if you are actually looking to get players I 567 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,960 don't even yeah, Like positionally the position doesn't even matter to me, Like 568 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,719 this is such a ground floor of a rebuild that like it's almost like having 569 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,039 the first pick in a draft. It's like with most most times, you're 570 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,320 just like, who's the best, Who's got the highest upside? Okay, 571 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,039 I want that, Like of whatever their options are, it's just got to 572 00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,519 be high upside. I think some of the names you listed as targets are 573 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:01,719 really great, like Pokeshevski why not, Like I don't know, like Killian 574 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,119 Hayes, Tire Williams, all that, all those make it. Let me 575 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:12,480 ask you this between so, I mean, we can zero in on the 576 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,679 number one guy if you want to, but like I think exceptionally likely to 577 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,719 be traded Gafford, Jones, Kispert, Kuzma, Delon right, Like five 578 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,320 guys, right, betwe of those five or of however, many of those 579 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,440 guys they trade. Do you think they can get two firsts, like two 580 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:36,239 good like legitimate firsts out of all that, because where's like maybe Kuzma's one, 581 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,920 maybe Jones is like a fake. I just like that's the cutoff is. 582 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,920 I don't know if they get to two, and that's kind of the 583 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,400 problem because that's what they should be targeting. Yeah, you might need to 584 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,800 step ladder your way there where it's are you sending out Tias Jones and Gafford 585 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,840 in the same deals or even a team that could do that. I think 586 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,840 Kuzma. Could you attach Kuzma to maybe Delon Right or Tias Jones. I 587 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,800 know that becomes kind of you're in the million dollar range now, like over 588 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,880 thirty, but there could be a team that could use both of those dudes, 589 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,639 and that's how you get your two first round picks. I do think 590 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,320 just because he's expiring and he has no business returning after the season, Tyas 591 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,280 Jones has to be the most likely to be traded. I think that's right, 592 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,119 and like there are a number of teams, Like do you do hear 593 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,440 that he wants to be a starter, So I think you would have to 594 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:24,159 view him as a rental probably because if you're trading for Tyas Jones, chances 595 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:28,039 are you're a veteran, like you're a Minnesota type team that's just like, 596 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,559 we need a guy that's gonna make sure the wheels don't fall off, you 597 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:35,119 know, if we if if Mike, if when Mike, where would he 598 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,440 start? Though? Aside from Washington right now, San Antonio trade Jones finally 599 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,599 starting. Shout out to your brothers coming in to take that spot. I 600 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:50,119 hope you enjoyed it. Tough break. Yeah, well, I think they're 601 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,119 kind of like I was surprised when I was looking at the numbers. They're 602 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:57,159 not on Orlando's level. But all those guys I mentioned, Gafford, Jones, 603 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,199 Kisspurt, especially Kuzman Wright, those are all like, you know, 604 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,400 nothing, who's makes the most Kuzma three year sixty four like there, and 605 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,000 at the very bottom end of that, you've got Kispert making five point seven 606 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:13,639 like come on, like between those two numbers, all those guys are movable. 607 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,119 It's just I just like I said, I'm concerned that the pick equity 608 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:21,400 may not be there when you have like good players on decent salaries, but 609 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,239 nobody that's like teams are clamoring to get could you get a first for Johnny 610 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,320 Davis? Maybe? I mean, at one point he was he was worth 611 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,760 a first because they used one on them, you know. Just and before 612 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,360 we move on, I was singing the praises of Kyle Kuzma, and it's 613 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,760 so hard to find a good Kyle Kuzma team. I thought of Sacramento is 614 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,199 a good one. I had the Grizzlies on there until their season just went 615 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,760 in the absolute gutter with the jaw. And now Marcus Smart increas he can 616 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,920 still be a good long term fit. But I don't know why you give 617 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,000 a value for him now and then it's just okay, could he work in 618 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,199 Indiana if they want to pay less than like not go all in because you 619 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,960 hear from the reporting on Indiana's well, they don't want to give up X 620 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,159 amount of first or thread or walker for Pascal Siakam. And it's kind of 621 00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:06,559 like, well, guess what you don't get Pascal Siaka Like that, I 622 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,440 was maybe it's just because I got Bobby Portis on the brain because I was 623 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,480 watching the Bucks earlier tonight before we started recording What a Terrible night of hoops. 624 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,199 We should have recorded earlier. Dan was it though, because you could 625 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,559 check out of those games having gotten all the knowledge you needed from them pretty 626 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,119 early, like both I did. I ended up editing. I said I 627 00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,760 wasn't gonna post a YouTube short today. I was like, well, fuck 628 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,480 this Boston Milwaukee game, I'm just gonna edit it now, and I did. 629 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,719 And okay see, I can't even remember who okay see was playing. 630 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,199 They were just crushing him. So that one was done early too. In 631 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,239 contrast to the games the night before, Holy shit, there were some good 632 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,400 games on I guess it'd be Wednesday night. Now. We don't need to 633 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,800 get off on that tangent probably, So that's that's one division rap. Good 634 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840 job by us, right, not really, because we said we were gonna 635 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,199 do average five minutes a team and we're already already over that. All right, 636 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,480 let's pick it up. Let's do Let's Central next, which puts us 637 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:05,440 on the Chicago Bulls. Not a lot to say, they're right, yeah, 638 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,000 I mean, what are they doing? Yeah, they should be sellers, 639 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,119 but there's there's a non zero chance that they view themselves as buyers if 640 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,239 like our Taurus is trying to keep his job, or maybe it's just a 641 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,159 matter of we're gonna move Levine and we're gonna target players kind of like Massa 642 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,599 did when you move out and Obe and hope that that continues to improve our 643 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,880 trajectory. I don't have a feel for what we know what they should do. 644 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:32,119 They should be sellers. Damars headed towards free agency. He's been super 645 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:35,719 great in the clutch again. The Bulls have started winning close games again. 646 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,800 But it's like you've capped your ceiling if you just continue down this path and 647 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,840 I get the whole, don't trade Zachlovine for just for the sake of trading 648 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,440 Za Lvine. I understand that, but it should be just open season here 649 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,119 because I do think between Levine, the Rosan, and Caruso, you're probably 650 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:55,880 looking at if you traded all those guys, you end up with four first 651 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,599 round picks, right, four as the number. I think you get maybe 652 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,360 two for well, I don't know where they're all coming from, but Caruso's 653 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,880 definitely one. I think he should be one. I don't know if it's 654 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,440 like a high high end one. I think the Rozan's worth one, and 655 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,639 then two for Levine probably, but like I don't know the indications on his 656 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,360 market are so bleak that I don't know, but yeah, four is the 657 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,119 number in my head. My only note on them, independent of your write 658 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,360 up, is just trade everyone, Like I guess if you want to exclude 659 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,760 White, I'm sorry, a contractual obligation, which like he's on a good 660 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,760 contract. If you're going to start rebuilding, like that's sure that makes sense 661 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,800 to keep him around. Maybe he's your starter. I don't know. He 662 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,480 might he might be that good on a on like a you know, more 663 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,719 functional version of this team. But like I mean, if they don't, 664 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,599 I'm not I'm just not persuaded by there being no market for Levine. I 665 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,440 think if it's the case that, like the teams are the teams that are 666 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,079 interested want you to take back salary, that's like almost as bad and isn't 667 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:59,880 isn't offering you know two first, then like I guess, but like if 668 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,440 you trade Levine, it's not just the assets you're getting back, it's also 669 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,199 just he's not taking up your cap space anymore. So like if if you 670 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,559 could just get that money off of there, you know, you can't give 671 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:14,400 them away, like there are some big contracts like the Warriors might give Andrew 672 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,679 Wiggins away right now, Like if they could like just erase the money the 673 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,360 Wizards might give Jordan Poole. What the trade is? What's the trade Andrew 674 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,320 Wiggins for Harrison Barnes. Well, let's just turn back the clock. Let's 675 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,119 go back to the original time. I think Kings fans are desperate for any 676 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:31,440 type of true wing And because Mike Brown is there, I bet you Kings 677 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,280 fans might be even Kings fans in here on YouTube and our discord or on 678 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,519 Twitter and you're listening. Would you do Andrew Wiggins for Harrison barn You have 679 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,880 the room underneath the tax I think to just do that. If you want 680 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,800 to get off Davion Mitchell too, we can find another team for him as 681 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,519 well. Like that's the totally not the Western Conference, right, Who's what 682 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,800 is this? So? I have a Lavigne trade? But I want to 683 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,159 ask you what's the Levine team aside from the Lakers. That's my question. 684 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,039 I I just like I don't know who it is besides the l like just 685 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,559 the need. Like, so you're okay, who are the teams that need 686 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:09,639 an off an expensive offense only shooting guard, or or are dumb enough to 687 00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:13,840 think that's what We're dumb enough to think that they need that. That's the 688 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:20,280 answer. Sorry, Weaver coming in. Oh, we're gonna get to the 689 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,079 Pistons soon because we're in that division. But like, well, I'll save 690 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,880 my pistons. Thoughts, I do you feel do you have a team in 691 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,199 mind? I don't feel like I have a great Like I don't know who 692 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,679 needs zach lavine that for for the price that it's gonna cost. I do 693 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,199 pardon me, still thinks that Toronto could work, but I don't like it 694 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,920 anymore. Quickly there, I thought a little bit about Minnesota just like uh, 695 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:49,400 Karl Anthony Towns for zaq lavine challenge trade because they need the extra offensive 696 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,239 creation, But I don't. They're just they're so good defensively right now that 697 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,639 you don't want to inject zaq lavine into that that culture. I mean, 698 00:42:55,679 --> 00:43:00,519 we just we spent some time talking about how Miami needs shock creation scoring in 699 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:04,239 the back court. Like, do you that's not a Miami move though, 700 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,159 I don't think do you want Hero and Levine? I think Levin is better 701 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:10,519 than Hero. I know Zach Lowde necessarily doesn't, but like Levine has had 702 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:15,519 these caps lock seasons where he's a legitimate top twenty top heroes never touched that 703 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,159 level. No, but do you want them on the same team? I 704 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,880 also don't know if you're the heat, though, is it reasonable to say, 705 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,480 well, do we want to pay sixteen million more a year for zach 706 00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:27,840 Lavine? Matt is the is Levine sixteen million dollars better than Tyler Hero? 707 00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,000 I mean in the playoffs? I don't know. I don't know. I 708 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,960 just said, like, how much better is zach Lavine than Terry Rogier? 709 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,400 Question mark? So if we're talking about Hero in the same context, it's 710 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,519 kind of a similar thing. And so, I mean, there's Miami, 711 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,760 it just feels like it should be the Lakers, which then kind of neutralizes 712 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,440 one of your Demardro's in destination because that's also another player we say we'll get 713 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,960 a first from who first of all the Lakers? Should I think Demarro is 714 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,400 a terrible fit for the Lakers. Yeah, if you're worried about the non 715 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,000 Lebron minutes, But guess who's probably going to be on the floor when it 716 00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,760 matters most. And guess what theory of building the Lakers roster has never worked? 717 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,840 Oh, we gotta like get an innings Zeter for when Lebron's not in 718 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,599 the game. Does That's just sorry. We can't keep thinking that that's like 719 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:12,199 the solve for LA. That's not how it works. I tried to find 720 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,960 a trade with the Lakers that would make sense for both teams, and I 721 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,360 don't think the Lakers give up Austin Reeves, which I think is a reasonable 722 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,760 line to draw on the sand, even though there could be get some like 723 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,440 functional overlap defensively between the two or just like you don't want to play them 724 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,960 together? Would you do if you're both these teams? Who says no Ruy, 725 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:36,280 d Lo, Jalen Hood Schafino first round swaps in twenty twenty six in 726 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,880 two thousand and thirty, and then a top three protected pick in twenty twenty 727 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,920 nine that you could also protect into twenty thirty. It would then just delete 728 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,079 that swap. So you're looking at two swaps a twenty twenty nine first Jalenhood 729 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,800 Chafino, Rui and d Lo for Zach Lavine. The Lakers, in my 730 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,480 opinion, should absolutely do it. You don't think that's the the pick equity 731 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,199 is? Yeah, I know what if anybody says no, it's I guess 732 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,320 it's yeah, I think I do that. If I'm the Lakers, I 733 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,360 think I do take a meal to the Sun situation where it's it's a lot 734 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,000 for the Lakers to give up because it's all they have, But who are 735 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,159 you getting that's better than zach Lavine for that package? Yeah, I think 736 00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,360 that's probably right. I think that's right. And if you're the Bulls, 737 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,480 I think, well, you may just not have a choice. If you 738 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:19,320 want to trade him, that's probably about as good as you're gonna get because 739 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,760 you're it's not really right to call it three first because it's like one and 740 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,480 then I don't know what we consider swaps really, but uh, I don't 741 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,880 know, like what because because again we're just going in circles like where's the 742 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,960 team that's coming out with the like three legit firsts for zach Lavine? Like, 743 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,239 I don't This is just not I don't think it's happening. I don't 744 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,639 think some people like Orlando I wouldn't hate it because they have the timeline to 745 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,920 where his money doesn't torpedo it. But I'm just kinda and that would test 746 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,079 their defensive resolve for sure. I just don't if it's not gonna cost you 747 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,599 anything really in terms of pick equity. Maybe, but I don't love that 748 00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:58,320 fit because I just questioned whether he would buy in. I also hate the 749 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920 Sacramento fit. By the way, I don't love that. Kudos to the 750 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,559 Kings for being on his list. That shows a lot about Sacramento, but 751 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,000 yeah, I don't like it. Not on Sam's list, but they got 752 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:12,000 on Zach Levine's list. Final question on Chicago. Okay, Zacklyvine the most 753 00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,599 likely player to be traded for sure? Right, yes, let's let's go 754 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:17,679 through these two really quickly. Will DeMar DeRozan be on this roster after the 755 00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:23,320 trade deadline? I don't think so. Expiring, not a lot of shooting, 756 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,199 but he could maybe make some sense in Minnesota back up point guard minutes. 757 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,119 I don't love it either. That's I don't love it. I just 758 00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,119 think, like any any like xact Lavine, you may be stuck with. 759 00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,199 But like, if you don't trade DeRozan, he's leaving. He's leaving. 760 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,159 You're not like it would be. It would be and that would be the 761 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,800 least bad outcome is if he left, Like if you re signed him for 762 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,000 you know, market rates and You're just like hopping back on the treadmill. 763 00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:51,480 That would be worse. Alex Caruso, will he be on this team? 764 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,719 Has to trade deadline again? He I don't think he should be. I 765 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,519 think the Bull should move him. But he's third on that list. I 766 00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:01,320 think he's more likely to still be there than Deroze or Levine, knowing that 767 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:06,079 he's coming up on his next contract. Would you trade Patrick Williams, Yeah, 768 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,039 I'd trade him. I think I think we don't you feel like we 769 00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:13,079 like how much longer are we gonna hang around with this? You know what? 770 00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,800 There are two teams that interest me for him. If the Clippers called 771 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,159 you right now and it was their twenty twenty nine pick for Patrick Williams, 772 00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:24,000 are you doing it? I'm gonna have to money. It could be a 773 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,679 mere coffee or whoever it is, to make the money work like they have. 774 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:32,079 I'm taking a Clippers first six five years from now for Patrick Williams absolutely, 775 00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:36,000 although like Karnisovas is not gonna be there in five years most likely, 776 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,880 so hard to say. But in Utah just has all this pick equity. 777 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,800 I know they could maybe structure their books so they could go after him restricted 778 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,679 free agency. But if you could get I don't know what the package is 779 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:52,360 like that might be. Is he is he like an interesting Indiana fit if 780 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,400 you think he can just be a four and really defend, like I don't 781 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,360 feel will be a three to four, and I think you'd want someone with 782 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,639 more offensive volume, but just like the defensive intensity that he could bring would 783 00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:05,920 be I think would be good for that. He's kind of like the anti 784 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,320 toppin. It's like they're they're the two sides of a of a coin or 785 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,800 something like these all defense and you just don't know if he's gonna ever like 786 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,239 score with high efficiency. I don't know that's interesting one. All right? 787 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,920 Are we good Onland? Yeah? So there's the Donovan Mitchell rumors from Mark 788 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,639 Steine where it's they're all coming from rival execs. So I just don't buy 789 00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:30,840 it as much. And they've played well enough through injuries, including when Donovan 790 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,400 Mitchell's miss miss time that I just feel like you see this season through. 791 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,480 So I know you said we talk a lot about Mitchell. What is the 792 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:42,559 team? I actually don't like him in New York still just Jamel Brust and 793 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,679 don Mitchell's to do for me Brooklyn was mentioned. What is the team that's 794 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,360 coming in with an offer that would force you to consider after what you gave 795 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,880 up for Donald Mitchell to move him. Now, I don't think the officer's 796 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,960 gonna be material different in the office, materially different in the offseason. So 797 00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,320 I'm just I'm not even gonna they might play well enough in the postseason where 798 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,920 he wants to stick around. I'm more focused for this team. Can we 799 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,880 get another type of stretch big I know they have George and Yang and Dean 800 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,079 Wade in there, but can we do that to really lean on these one 801 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,920 big lineups and then we'll address the Jared Allen Evan will be dynamic over the 802 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,239 offseason if you're gonna look at moving out and or just another three and D 803 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,159 type wing just because I don't know if Isaac o Core is gonna hold up 804 00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:23,199 offensively in the playoffs. That's to me, this team is buyers until or 805 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,360 unless Donovan Mitchell asked for out. It's like, that's why I don't really 806 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,760 think we need to spend time on the Mitchell stuff. Am I wrong? 807 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,639 Well? It was more than just like I'm kind of having like a what 808 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,480 do I think about this situation crisis with him, because a lot of times, 809 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,519 you know, I feel like it's kind of hacked to just say, 810 00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:45,239 like the Knicks are looming, or maybe it's Brooklyn, maybe it's Miami, 811 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,519 but just this idea that he is a short timer in Cleveland is just like 812 00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,320 it's too pervasive to just pretend that that's not a thing. And so that 813 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,320 triggers in me the thought of like, well, okay, so if the 814 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,719 Cavs don't move him now, he's basically an expiring contract next year, and 815 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,440 then maybe his value diminishes, And you're kind of dealing with the same thing 816 00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:08,920 of if you try to trade him at say the twenty twenty five deadline, 817 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:14,599 you've got the you know who's who's trading for Donovan Mitchell, the like three 818 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:16,559 month rental or four month rental at that point, and what are you getting. 819 00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:21,760 So it's like his value is diminishing right now on the assumption that Cleveland 820 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,840 will not have him after twenty twenty five. So it's like I'm starting to 821 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,880 panic. I want to move him. But then at the same time, 822 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,679 it's like all the logic is just like this kind of was like a bummer 823 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,480 of a year already, like there's been too many injuries. Let's just see, 824 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,159 let's see what we can add to the team this offseason, and we 825 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,800 really make a run next year and see how good this core can be. 826 00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,239 Maybe that convinces Mitchell to stay if he's already eyeing other places. But like 827 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,599 I can't kind of square those two ideas because like you want to be patient, 828 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:54,400 but it just happened too many times where you don't you know, Toronto's 829 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,480 done it time and again, where you just like don't act, you don't 830 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,119 want to act early. But like sometimes if you don't do that, your 831 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:06,039 only alternative is like acting way too late or not acting at all, because 832 00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,599 you've lost the ability to do that. See Fred van Vliet, you know 833 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,960 last offseason, So like what what do you what do you think about that 834 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,719 kind of juxtaposition of of sort of like team building ideas, right, because 835 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,400 there is a chance you just you know, you're you're you're getting less for 836 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,079 Donovan Mitchell every day you wait to move him, and you're gonna run into 837 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:30,079 the possibility of losing him for nothing. So like you're not for you to 838 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:35,559 action, no, because you're not gonna you have It's franchise malpractice if you 839 00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:37,400 don't move him by next year's trade deadline, if he has not indicated he 840 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,079 will stick, and you are so pot committed to him right now that suffering 841 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,840 whatever the offer is now versus what it will be in July. Yeah, 842 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,920 I'm just I'm gonna see this through, and I'm I'm gonna you know, 843 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,639 I'm not gonna double down. And they can't really double I mean like double 844 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,119 them down for them, as would we trade a twenty thirty pick swap. 845 00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,119 So like, I just I can't bring not that, I can't bring myself 846 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:02,679 to care. If they are actually worried about him leaving, then yes, 847 00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:06,840 it's a conversation to have. I don't see the team right now that's gonna 848 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,960 come in and bowl them over with an offer. I do think Brooklyn and 849 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:14,800 Miami might be the likely ones. Would a sneaky one be Houston. I 850 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,519 mean, I I don't know. I just I'm I'm concerned that, like 851 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,800 they're never gonna get bowled over like that. That's an impossibility because everyone's afraid 852 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,920 that if I trade for this guy, I have to price in the fact 853 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,440 that I might only get him until he decides to opt out and leave like 854 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,280 that, you know what I mean, Like if it's not I guess a 855 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,320 team that's on his quote unquote list for sure, but like you're gonna get 856 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,800 multiple first round picks if you adhere to his wish list, will probably have 857 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,280 three or four teams, would be even if as one team, you will 858 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,559 still get multiple first for him over the summer or at next year's trade deadline. 859 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,679 Even I mean though, because if it's like Brooklyn, for example, 860 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,800 Brooklyn's gonna have cap space in twenty five and they'll be thinking, like why 861 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,079 am I trading anything to get him? I can just sign him and he 862 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,559 wants to be here. Here's my thing. Now, you're acting like Messi 863 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:05,880 EUJII is the lead basketball executive for the Cavaliers, and that these teams know 864 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,320 like when to players of Dono Mitchell's caliber leaven free agency anymore? Yeah right, 865 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,280 good point, Good point. So I'm just I wouldn't move him. 866 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,320 I would probably can you get like they have some money to move around actually 867 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,119 buying out Ricky Rupe. They are very close to the luxury tax, like 868 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,320 inside a million bucks or maybe more post Ricky Rubio buy out. Then you 869 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,159 have some mid end contracts they could move. I'm curious as to what you 870 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,519 think about this type of deal. One who do you think is the most 871 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,719 likely player to be traded on this team? And you view them you didn't 872 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,679 even choose. I have them as buyers, you have them as like trade. 873 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,159 The Mitchell thing is the Mitchell thing's messing with me, as is, 874 00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:42,920 like, what if we did just trade Jared Allen now and give Mobiley the 875 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,480 rest of the year to like figure out if he's a center or not by 876 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:50,239 himself. But no, I think they're probably buyers. But like, so, 877 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,800 who's most likely to be traded if we're ruling out the like selling option 878 00:53:52,920 --> 00:54:00,280 of Allen? Like I think LeVert LeVert a Koro maybe as an expiring some 879 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,119 team might want to have bird rights, Like I don't. I don't know 880 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,400 what I thought was interesting, And I think it depends on how you value 881 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:14,800 this player. He is a better offensive spacer than would you move o'corro salary 882 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:21,199 and maybe Golden State second this year for DeAndre Hunter. I don't love Hunter, 883 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,880 Yeah, I mean he can't. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't pass, 884 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,719 and and Acorra is an underrated passer. But he better defender too, 885 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,559 Like, I mean, I think no, I think it's who's gonna whose 886 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,199 offense will hold up in the playoffs better? Yeah, maybe it's more. 887 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,679 I wonder if you just talked to Brooklyn about, like, what what do 888 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,239 we need to do for a Finny Smith or and then or Royce O'Neill or 889 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,679 something one of those two guys, maybe I mean give up. Like if 890 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,920 so, let's say it's what is the best second round pick that this team 891 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,079 owns. Is a Golden State's twenty twenty four second round pick? Probably well, 892 00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,960 they have Milwaukee's in twenty twenty five or Denver's in twenty twenty seven. 893 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,159 None of those are any good. It is the Warriors pick. I think 894 00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:06,760 it's probably better. So, like, if you included a twenty thirty swap 895 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,800 to Brooklyn and that pick, does that get you Dorian Phinney Smith, Is 896 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920 that who you're? Well, I guess you. I mean, then maybe 897 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,559 you don't need the second round pick or like, I don't think a coral 898 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:21,480 alone is going to get you Dorian Phine Smith, a coral plus salary alone 899 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,480 anything. I also don't know why Brooklyn wants a coral. It would be 900 00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:28,920 the other thing yeah, no, I I although I just mentioned Brooklyn. 901 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,280 I just I'm trying to get another big wing. I guess maybe since we're 902 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,400 in the buy mode and I just go to Brooklyn whenever. I'm trying to 903 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,840 do that. Other than is it a qral for you? Who's most likely 904 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,559 to be traded here? I had Ricky Rubio at one point and now it 905 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,119 just kind of feels like carousel Vert has the one year left on his deal. 906 00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:50,360 He becomes a human trade exception next season? So is that the guy? 907 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,719 But they kind of need him for backup ball handling with all the injuries. 908 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,400 They do have Craig Porter Junior. So and so it's like, is 909 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,000 it Dean Wade just like sort of that minute or is it a quarrel becau 910 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:01,880 at those mid end salaries? And can you can you figure out a way 911 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:07,159 to upgrade like does like straight up does Isaaca Coro and Dean Wade? Is 912 00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:08,920 that enough? And that second round pick or a twenty thirty does that get 913 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,199 you? Dorian Phiny Smith? Does that move you if you're the Cavaliers, 914 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,800 Like like Dorrianfhinnie Smith's a good shooter, but is he creating this space necessary 915 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,800 in the Mobili Jared Allen lineups that you're gonna be playing at that point, 916 00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:23,960 doesn't Lavert also, profile is like a nice you know, one third the 917 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,880 cost alternative to Levine, like something, you know, if you're, oh 918 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,880 my god, we need someone who can score, you know, maybe he 919 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,800 can start. He could definitely be a six man, you know if the 920 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,119 Lakers are just like I can't deal with I can't deal with the Bulls anymore. 921 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,639 Calls up Cleveland and says like, I don't know, We'll give you 922 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,360 Hachimura and Hucha Fino, give us Caros Lavert. You know, we can 923 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,519 talk about the picks or something like, I don't know, Like Lavert would 924 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,920 help the Lakers. He's not a great shooter, but like he would help 925 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,119 that offense, that's for sure. I'm just looking for more cost alternative to 926 00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:59,440 the stars I think are not going to get traded potentially. So actually the 927 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,480 one player act really for the team of Simony Fontecio from Utah, it is 928 00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:06,039 gonna be an early bird RFA this year. Like let's get that motion shooter 929 00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:08,440 in here, like combined with Max Shrews and Sam Merril, you really just 930 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,599 open up the floor and whatever line up you want, he's got better size 931 00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:15,320 than a than a sam Merle a sam Earl a sam Merril. Excuse me, 932 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:20,519 since you compared Zack Levine to Karsl Bird. I feel like it's time 933 00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,639 to move on to the Detroit bisiness. I'm just gonna keep looking for cheap, 934 00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:29,119 non Zach Laban players. Uh yeah, so the Pistons, Okay, 935 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:36,719 I just want to start with the idea that won't go away from multiple reports 936 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,599 over like I don't know months now of the Pistons are considering like adding veteran 937 00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,320 talent or being buyers or you know, you throw the name out there, 938 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:51,960 Tobias Harris Siakam, I think his name like they've been at least linked in 939 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:57,760 discussions or interested in Uh. I just like I can't wrap I can't wrap 940 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,679 my head around it. I can't understand how so like other than like you're 941 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:07,159 Troy Weaver and you're maybe getting fired and you want to finish with seventeen wins 942 00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:12,360 instead of twelve or or something like that. Like it's it's just like there's 943 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,360 no scenario where unless what you're getting as a buyer is picks attached to bad 944 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,239 money, because that's not really buying in the sense that you know, you 945 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,800 typically think about it. You can't just be bringing in veteran town like you 946 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,480 just can't do it. You can't be doing another Bogdanovic another you know that 947 00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:31,199 kind of thing, like I just can't get my head around that. I 948 00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:36,719 would actually argue, I guess if you're worried about will they continue to divvy 949 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,880 up minutes poorly? I get that, But like the Bogdanovic and even Alec 950 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,280 Burk's acquisitions didn't cost them real equity. When you're talking about Tobias Harris Tyaka, 951 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,239 they were linked to Ogi Ananobi. You are not. You cannot trade 952 00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,599 your young like this is not. Don't trade Dayton Ivy, don't trade a 953 00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:58,480 Sara Thompson or Jaln Dirt like these are not. That's those are and because 954 00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:00,159 or don't trade jo ome first round picks because you don't have any extra first 955 00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:02,719 round picks. Those are the picks you got to trade if you want to 956 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,159 get in on a on a Pascal Siakam so, I would target second draft 957 00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:10,760 guys or young players, and can we get value for Bogdanovich still, can 958 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,119 we get value for for Alec Burks? I would say though I'm not opposed 959 00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:20,320 to if they just want more veterans that they think actually fits the roster, 960 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,239 if it doesn't cost you anything, and you're just combining James Wiseman and Joe 961 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:28,000 Harris to get Gordon Hayward, this was my Gordon Hayward team. You want 962 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,679 another sort of playmaking, connective type wing in there, who's gonna help you 963 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:36,440 space the floor, I'm okay with That's that's an aspiring salary above all, 964 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,320 right, Like that's that's the Hayward. The feature of Hayward, who gives 965 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,119 a shit how many more games he helps you win this year? Like the 966 00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,920 value anyway, which is why I'm fine with it. So if he helps 967 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:51,599 streamline the development of just opening up room for Kade, okay, yeah, 968 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,199 he's been playing. K's been playing a lot better. Their turnovers are down 969 00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:58,679 before his injury anyway. And also they have other expiring contracts, so you're 970 00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:02,079 sort of just folding those in to one. The smart move is probably to 971 01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:07,159 do nothing if you really are interested in buying, because Bogdanovic and Burks, 972 01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:08,960 I mean, you should probably get rid of Burks. I feel like he 973 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,440 hijacks their offense a lot. And also let's just weed out as many guards 974 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,760 as possible that are gonna play over some of the younger guards. Is a 975 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,599 little too good and like justifiably probably should play if you're trying to win games 976 01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,519 over some of the young guys. But like take the club out of it's 977 01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,199 like the old take the club out of money Williams bag, Like, don't 978 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,559 let him have that option. I do think the players that are mentioned that 979 01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,000 we think they should not be targeting because of the opportunity cost outside of free 980 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,599 agency, because Detroit will be a cap space team this summer if they want 981 01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:36,960 to be, and so they can, they can go after those guys, 982 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,400 then they at least seem to have the architect archetype excuse me downright of what 983 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,079 they need because you still do presumably you're invested in Jane n Ivy or sar 984 01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,960 Thompson has a little bit of that secondary playmaking. You have caids. You 985 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,519 don't necessarily need a floor general, but you need like these dynamic three four 986 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,679 types that will allow you to play some of these lineups where the space and 987 01:00:55,679 --> 01:01:00,599 gets a little squishy, because when there's a when everyone's health, there's just 988 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,960 what your best youngsters if you're playing which don't play together really, but your 989 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,719 best youngsters include two to three non shooters at this point. Yeah, so 990 01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:13,159 they at least do seem to have that. And I'm just I think people 991 01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,920 are like, well, why would you keep Bugdanovic? That's franchise malpractice. 992 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,880 They can still move him over the offseason. So I'm more concerned about this 993 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,760 team deciding to buy in the sense of we moved off our own first round 994 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:30,320 pick or young player X that's not Killionnaise or James Wiseman to get this player 995 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,440 right now when it doesn't do anything for us. Yeah, short term or 996 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,159 long term. Yeah, I think there's a lot to I mean, it's 997 01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:43,480 it's it's Inadmittedly it's not a simple situation, but I really feel like the 998 01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:47,440 Pistons cannot overthink this, like it's just draft picks, flexibility, youth, 999 01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:52,079 and they don't actually need extra first I just don't know, does mcdonoviac get 1000 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:57,039 you a first I just even thought about a team like the Heat well, 1001 01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:59,400 and it's like they were willing to protect the hell out the first but even 1002 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,079 we just went through this, if they give you Kyle Lowry for Bogdanovich and 1003 01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:07,199 Burks or whatever. It's like Kyle Lowry matters to them right now and Jon 1004 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,800 Duncan Robinson and so it's just are you getting who's giving you a first for? 1005 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,000 You know, the way to get that would be, oh, Nets 1006 01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:16,760 you want to get off that Ben Simmons contract or Warriors you want like, 1007 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,119 well we need a wing, let's take some Andrew Wiggins, We'll throw Bogdanovitch 1008 01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:25,320 and you can have Berks or like we go that route. So like me 1009 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,679 and would they even give you a first and that's an earra of the Warriors 1010 01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,920 probably wouldn't. So so that's the thing, Like I think to your point 1011 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,920 about you know, this year doesn't really matter and it matters you take that 1012 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,400 both ways, like for Bogdanovitch specifically, it doesn't really matter what the Pistons 1013 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:45,360 get back this year, but also like in defense of like maybe waiting until 1014 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,000 the off season, like take a team like Memphis where Bogdanovitch might help hypothetically, 1015 01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,119 like they're not trading for him this year, They're not going to give 1016 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:52,880 you first this year. Maybe in the off season when they're kind of retooling 1017 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,239 the roster. That makes sense, and you do have throw them in as 1018 01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,960 like, well, they weren't willing to give up a first in February, 1019 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,760 maybe now they are in July. Like there may be a handful of teams 1020 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,320 like that. So like it's I guess for me, I'm more concerned with 1021 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:13,679 the Pistons just I don't know if they go try to get veteran talent just 1022 01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,519 because they want to be better, Like that's indefensible like in the short term. 1023 01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:20,199 But if it's bad money, like you said, like if it's Hayward 1024 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,280 and he also happens to facilitate for the youth, great And at the same 1025 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:28,760 time, like you can't just we got to get off Bogdanovitch just because what's 1026 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,840 he doing here, Like you don't hurt your tay ultimately, probably because you 1027 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,079 want to get something for him, but it can be in the summer or 1028 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,280 next year. Yeah, and I or you could just let him walk if 1029 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,119 you want to use cap space. And I don't think given what you paid 1030 01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:43,400 to get him in the first place. Yeah, we're talking about over his 1031 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,039 last fifteen games, he's shooting forty brillion percent from three on like seven attempts 1032 01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:50,320 a game. Yeah, you don't want to leave that, and he can 1033 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,119 create for himself a little bit. So maybe I'm on he's just in his 1034 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:54,719 age thirty four season, and so I'm just like, yeah, well that's 1035 01:03:54,719 --> 01:04:00,920 when they're fourteen with him balling out over those fifteen games. That's like so 1036 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,400 we were just pinging back and forth because maybe his age does say you better 1037 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,880 move him now because like, who knows what he's gonna look like down the 1038 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,519 stretch of the season could just fall off and no one will want him unlikely, 1039 01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:14,679 But like that's another concern. Let's move to what do we got Indiana? 1040 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,280 That's next alphabetically good job by us. Yeah, what we talk about 1041 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,760 here other than what we talk about all the time with Indiana. Do you 1042 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:25,159 think they're I'll ask you this in a vacuum where they buyers or sellers? 1043 01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:29,840 And does the Tyres Haliburton injury change that in any way for you? I 1044 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,679 think they can be. I think if they probably need to be a buyer. 1045 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,440 But like, and I know the Haliburton thing doesn't really change it for 1046 01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:39,719 me because it's a grade one, right, So there. I think Jeff 1047 01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:43,480 Stotts had something like the averages thirteen days, twelve or thirteen days with that 1048 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,400 that like we've seen that the Pacers, except for the other night when TJ 1049 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,719 McConnell ran wild, Like they tend to lose with Halburton out, but you 1050 01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:54,159 know two weeks ish is not crippling, I don't think so. I still 1051 01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:58,519 think they should be a buyer, like within reason because we were talking off 1052 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:00,519 air, because these are the real it in conversations we tend to have like 1053 01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,840 they could be a cap Space team if they want to. They don't need 1054 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,480 to just take on a bunch of salary. Uh, but to get right 1055 01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:10,880 down to it, like this is my Sacam team. I think in terms 1056 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,840 of just fit and what I think makes sense of the mentioned destinations for Siakam, 1057 01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,639 I think I like this one the best. It's not perfect, but 1058 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,920 uh I could I just you know, this isn't a new take, but 1059 01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:28,119 like I think he makes sense there. You're at least addressing the power forward 1060 01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:30,880 spots somehow. I think if you're Indiana Andrew a buyer. So I have 1061 01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:33,440 a couple other get from backup five minutes there as well. Yeah oh yeah 1062 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,840 sure, but like that's the the just upgrade the top end spot and make 1063 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,639 it so Nie Smith doesn't have to play so much for you know that kind 1064 01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:43,320 of thing. So if you're buying, that's what you're looking at. I 1065 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,239 have a couple of other names I like other than Siakham, but like I 1066 01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:49,480 guess, maybe are they your team if you have one? If he's got 1067 01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:53,920 I've come around on it. I think I thought they need to skew more 1068 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,639 towards someone who can slide down to the three, like the emergends of Aaron 1069 01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:00,280 Eie Smith. Like you, I think you would probably still prefer which is 1070 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,119 why I like the idea of especially if they don't want to give it. 1071 01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:06,079 And let's put the ball in the Siakam discussion. This is what I honestly 1072 01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:11,159 believe unless he has told Toronto he is leaving that like why would you move 1073 01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:14,400 him for pennies on the dollar? If you're Indiana? Are you willing to? 1074 01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:16,360 And I think what's problematic is that their salary matching tools when you look 1075 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,199 at Bruce Brown and Buddy Heald matter to their team. And so I understand 1076 01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:24,239 that element of it. Junior a third team who would give you value for 1077 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,760 those guys, or maybe just Toronto view Buddy held as an actual asset, 1078 01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:31,119 but like in an I not an ideal world, but I actually think if 1079 01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:35,360 you did the if you proposed like if Toronto was willing to do this, 1080 01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:39,440 and I don't think they would be to be clear, where they're getting one 1081 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:45,199 first round pick, Jalen Smith, Buddy Held and Jarris Walker. I don't 1082 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:48,000 think Indiana would do that, and I think it's gonna take more than that 1083 01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:53,079 in my mind to get Siakam where if I'm Indy and I believe he's resigning, 1084 01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,559 you only do these all these deals would soon to be free agents. 1085 01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:58,880 Don't trade for them if you don't think they're gonna like that, simple as 1086 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,360 that. I go to first round picks, the second of which like this 1087 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,679 season's first round pick in twenty twenty six protected and Jarres Walker for Siakham. 1088 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,320 Now, the problem is you are giving up Buddy Heal who matters, or 1089 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,440 Bruce Brown who would also matter, and like Jalen Smith is playing for them 1090 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,599 too. So can you substitute Obi Toppin in there? But Obi Toppin plays 1091 01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:21,719 a little bit more than Jalen Smith depending on the week, so and depending 1092 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,719 on the week, he's also shooting better than Jalen Smith from three. I 1093 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,280 just it feels like it's unnecessarily complicated to get Sam to Indiana, and so 1094 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,760 I think what's best for the Pacers is because they're just historically conservative anyway, 1095 01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:42,639 you look at the alternative alternatives which I have as mattis Stiebel, Jeremy Grant 1096 01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:45,000 could be good here. Kyle Kuzma, I don't love it, like that's 1097 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,079 another name that you could look at, though, I did think about if 1098 01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:55,960 everyone in Golden State really is touchable aside from touchable, that's the very touchable 1099 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,000 aside from Steph. Pacers fans gave me shit when I think I mentioned this 1100 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:03,519 in an offhandedly to you, like as a joke. I don't hate Draymond 1101 01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:10,000 Green in Indiana. I mean he's got a spacing five, you got a 1102 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:15,000 dynamic on ball lead guard. I mean there's worse fits what I mean, 1103 01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,039 like, unless you just don't like Draymond Green. And I can't imagine why 1104 01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:21,239 anyone would feel that way, Like what's not to like about that fit? 1105 01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:26,000 The money? About three years and seventy five million left on his deal. 1106 01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:29,920 But I'm just like, so the alternative is giving up equity for Siakam and 1107 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:35,199 then giving him the four year or five year max. A couple of alternatives 1108 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:39,840 I kind of like where he's like I and again maybe I'm I'm a little 1109 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:44,960 too interested in flipping matherin for someone that is going to help you defensively really 1110 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,399 well lately though I know, I know, but I just think with Haliburton, 1111 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,079 you can get a total replacement value shooting guard and it'll be fine. 1112 01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:58,119 Like I just so if I'm balancing the roster at like I'm calling Houston and 1113 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,359 I'm interested in, like, what's it? Maybe it's not Mathering necessarily, 1114 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,199 but it's like Tarry Easton Jayshaun Tate, Like let's have a conversation about both 1115 01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:10,720 of those and see which I mean Tate perfect pacers to where when like is 1116 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,359 it it might cost him Andrew nem hard? Which might you know stomach that? 1117 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,640 Like I don't. I don't. Actually I love Tarry Easton. There, 1118 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,600 I just can't picture Houston moving. That's the thing is I don't. 1119 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:26,159 Yeah, I mean, ultimately, Patrick Williams, if the bulls are actually 1120 01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:29,479 yeah, I think I think that. Yeah, that's I mean, how 1121 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,039 who's ever said great great one when someoneh someone mentioned Patrick Williams as a fit. 1122 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:36,000 We just broke new ground. I think I meant it like Yeah, 1123 01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:40,560 No, that's that's if you're looking at like how do we how do we 1124 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,199 upgrade a position of need? I mean, I don't know that Williams look 1125 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,439 like Williams is like kind of falling out of favor and no one's sure what 1126 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,359 he is for a reason. But like if it's if the alternative is you 1127 01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:56,439 give up a bunch for Siakam who you pay a bunch to keep, Like 1128 01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,479 maybe Patrick Williams is worth the upside flyer. I don't know, like that, 1129 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,159 there are a lot of that's all to say, there are a lot 1130 01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:08,199 of lower costs like alternatives for the Pacers. If even though if if Siakam 1131 01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:11,319 is getting traded and you can like this to the roster fit, it makes 1132 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,239 it makes sense to me, especially if you compare it to some of the 1133 01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:16,600 other teams that are interested in Siaka. This doesn't necessarily fit the bill, 1134 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,159 but what if because the Pacers just kind of have the guards in excess. 1135 01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:25,600 And I'm not talking about giving up Mathin or Haliburton here, if you could 1136 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,439 get Kyle Anderson from Minnesota, that's funny, smart like this, it feels 1137 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,239 like this is how it all ends for Indiana, is they're gonna trade for 1138 01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:34,159 Naji Marshall or someone would be a good fit, but it's just not someone 1139 01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:38,199 who's gonna move the needle that regard. I do feel like the perfect middle 1140 01:10:38,199 --> 01:10:40,079 ground of all the names we mentioned. I don't know if you have other 1141 01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:43,920 ones. Just feels like matist Thaible because he's been shooting well enough for most 1142 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,880 of this season. But I don't, I don't. I don't know how 1143 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,439 you feel about that. I mean, I get I feel like he would 1144 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,159 be just another guy that is playing up a position in Indiana, probably like 1145 01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:55,119 because he's not a four, like I get, so you know you're playing 1146 01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:58,920 and if you're playing him with Nie Smith. Oh, by the way, 1147 01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:01,760 I try. I trust Neesmith now, like I just when he's on the 1148 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,960 floor, like I just a bet value contracts in the word feel great about 1149 01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:09,279 him. He can he plays so hard. This is our hardhitting analysis port. 1150 01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:11,920 That's why you can go towards a more of a four, because I 1151 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,159 go, we got we have nees Smith right now, there's our three, 1152 01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:16,520 and like in a pinch, Nee Smith can just be like enough of a 1153 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,000 chaos generator to like give you five minutes at the four if you need it. 1154 01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:23,159 So I mean, you don't want to live that way, but but 1155 01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:28,560 I think here's one. This is just perfectly low level TJ. McConnell for 1156 01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:33,439 nos Little and Utah Wantonaby. I think I think the Pacers would prefer McConnell. 1157 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,600 I think he matters so much to their self, especially if Aliburn's out, 1158 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,199 like I think he loves. But it's just sort of like, what 1159 01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:44,560 are we doing here? Like you all have between him and nem Hard and 1160 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,159 Mathren Haliburton and Bruce Browns, like we you need to get some properly sized 1161 01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:51,520 perimeter. That's part of the issue for me is is McConnell is a Gabe 1162 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,640 Vincent All Star for me, which is he only every time I watch he 1163 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,239 has a great game and I never see his bad games. So I had 1164 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:00,560 this year for you. Now, I haven't watched a lot of game vinsin 1165 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,359 so as far as I know, I assume he's been great. What's the 1166 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,880 next team on the Dogget Oh, let's see, we did Indiana that leaves 1167 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:13,239 Milwaukee. This is our last team in the Central Division. Dan they need 1168 01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:16,800 point of attack defense and it's just and or anyone who cares about getting back 1169 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:21,199 in transition I will say, I'm just so done with the Malik Beasley slander. 1170 01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:25,960 Here. Who's shooting the hell out of the ball, and he's handling 1171 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,640 defensive assignments. Uh, like that he shouldn't be and oh he's not faring 1172 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,399 well in a lot of them. I actually think he's done a better job 1173 01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:36,319 against switching on to bigger players. But like, this is just Malik Beasley. 1174 01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:39,600 You got him for the and people are harping out, Oh, they 1175 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,079 promised him to start, and now that's going to impact that they wanted to 1176 01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:44,640 trade for someone. No, it's Molique Beasley. At the end of the 1177 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,600 day, you could break that promise. They already did break that promise on 1178 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,880 the minimum. On the minimum. Like we're complaining about this guy as the 1179 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,640 problem. He's on the minimum. He's been one of the best offseason signings. 1180 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,960 Like we got to move on. That's not He's doing everything Malik Beasley's 1181 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,960 supposed to do for the mid I'm just I just I've had people in my 1182 01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:01,960 dms after I tweeted stuff about it, and it's just I'm not a fan 1183 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,760 of I mentioned this in the podcast you Weren't on. I don't know why 1184 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,720 people feel the need to well, actually something that's not like debatable where it's 1185 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,640 like I get, as you've watched the video, you're familiar with social media, 1186 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,880 right. I'm not a fan of people who like to tout their knowledge 1187 01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:21,279 or that they might have sources, even though that they're probably a mouthpiece for 1188 01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:25,000 the team that they're speaking on behalf of, and they just don't realize it. 1189 01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:28,720 That's just I'm I'm over those in my dms, and if you DMed 1190 01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,680 me this week, I'm not talking about you. So there you go, 1191 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,279 Like anyone, I've got a bunch of dms this week, so we're fine 1192 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,000 there or in the last week and a half, whatever it is. But 1193 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,680 they don't really have stuff to move. This is a short topic that the 1194 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,000 Bucks don't have a flexibility. I do. I do think that they probably 1195 01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:51,119 have enough to get like a Javon Carter back who they probably should leave. 1196 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:56,560 To be honest, Javon Carter would would the Bulls be willing to trade Io 1197 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,279 de sun Mu? I think he's trade eligible January fifteenth done. He's been 1198 01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:03,000 kind of like ever since they pulled thht out of the lineup in Utah, 1199 01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:08,159 he's had some good moments for them, Dennis Smith Junior would be another one, 1200 01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,239 like that's the level of stuff you're looking at, and then you have 1201 01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:13,640 to ask, well can we get by playing them next to Dame And that's 1202 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,560 where you get into some weird stuff. I will say, if you're not 1203 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,880 invested in developing and Jackson, we've seen him get minutes. Livingston hasn't gotten 1204 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,800 enough. Mar John bo champsman has been all over the place. Do you 1205 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,720 think Bochamp and salary and maybe like what seconds do they have? Like can 1206 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,840 that get you? In the Dorian Phinney Smith discussion, does it get you 1207 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,880 Royce O'Neill. Maybe O'Neill. I just don't know what bow Champ's value is 1208 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,359 anymore. I feel like in the past we've talked about him as like, 1209 01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:42,319 oh, he's the sweetener you'd throw in or maybe a team. You know, 1210 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,880 he just hasn't been consistent enough this year. For sorry, they do 1211 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,359 have Portland's twenty twenty four second round picks, So it was Bochamp and that 1212 01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:55,239 pick and let's say Conaton or even Portois for Tyble. Is that enough or 1213 01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:59,640 no? I mean, by the way, I will say, anyone you're 1214 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,840 freedom call me an asshole anyone who thinks that that offer was stupid Buck fans. 1215 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,079 I'm not trying to be like condescending here. You don't have enough to 1216 01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:10,720 get Alex Caruso. It's just I'm sorry, it's not if they figured it 1217 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,600 out away, I mean, that'd be something. Yeah, I don't know. 1218 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,079 I mean, like I think I hadn't thought of like the Dennis Smiths 1219 01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:18,520 of the world or the Chris Dunns. But I don't know. If you 1220 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:24,239 read the Eric name and uh seth part now, you know, just kind 1221 01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:28,199 of discuss like what the hell is wrong with this defense? And it's a 1222 01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:31,279 complex article with a lot of interesting stats jerseys, and it's on the equipment 1223 01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:35,079 manager quite frankly. Well, I mean, aside from the jerseys not being 1224 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,399 you know, fresh and clean, it's just point It's just like the blowby 1225 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,760 drives are like through the roof, and it's just point of attack defense. 1226 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,960 Like if you if you could fix one thing like Brook Lopez is fine, 1227 01:15:46,359 --> 01:15:51,560 Giannis is maybe not in the optimal position tactically with Adrian Griffin. Now defensively 1228 01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:56,720 that's an issue, but it's just like they're getting cooked on the perimeter, 1229 01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,560 and so Dennis Smith Junior would make that happen less, and obviously Javon Carter 1230 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,560 would, Obviously Alex Caruso would, obviously Chris Dunn would, But like you're 1231 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:09,359 only really realistically having any kind of shot at like the dun and Dennis Smith 1232 01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:14,920 junior level of guys. So I mean, like, I just if they 1233 01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,000 do anything, I think this is probably just a buyout team ultimately, even 1234 01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:20,560 though they may be limited, and they will be limited, it's just the 1235 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,760 guy that's getting bought out that's gonna come in and fix it. No, 1236 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,159 nobody, that's the thing. There is not a fix, Like it's gonna 1237 01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:30,319 have to be internal. They'll just have to figure it out. But like 1238 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,640 sure or done is about as good as you can do. I'm almost I'm 1239 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,560 just gonna double check this to make sure they have it. Like the Portland 1240 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,680 twenty twenty four second round pick is gonna be in the low thirties, And 1241 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,920 so if you're just attaching that to Pat Connaton, like, isn't that something 1242 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,399 that's certainly enough to get you Javon Carter right, you'd hope. So, 1243 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:53,359 I mean that's more than you know that it might be better than like some 1244 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,800 protected first that you're not even sure when you're gonna get it, you know, 1245 01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,079 as as an acquiring team, you're getting the thirty pick or whatever with 1246 01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:05,560 this one, so like they could that might be dfs Is Probably You're right, 1247 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,159 that's like a stretch and I'm not giving that up for a Dun or 1248 01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:12,319 a dentistman if they have to give that up for Adun or dentnis bete a 1249 01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:15,960 while, but maybe even Portland's like, that's gotta be semi. I think 1250 01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:21,680 I would do Bowchamp and that pick and salary, especially if it's Bobby Portis. 1251 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,199 He's not had the best season and I know he's kind of important to 1252 01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:27,800 the team, but I just I wouldn't flinch it trading Bobby Portis. I'll 1253 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,439 approximate that the backup big spot with someone else on the buyout marks in your 1254 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,680 in your tyble package. This is like I kind of like this as a 1255 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,840 Tible team. Am I crazy? No? I think the only the only 1256 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,439 issue with him is like, I don't know, maybe you have a different 1257 01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,239 impress everyone better from three in Portland. I hear you. No, it's 1258 01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:47,359 not that, it's like I don't know that he's like the on ball point 1259 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:51,479 of attack defender he's kind of like he swoops around and surprises you with blocks 1260 01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:56,279 and like jumps passing lanes type of thing like for I mean, I'm not 1261 01:17:56,319 --> 01:17:59,800 saying he wouldn't be an upgrade, like he would absolutely help them in transition 1262 01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,319 to like where they have so many problems. But like I think, I 1263 01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:05,479 think you do that trade. But I'm just saying, like he's not the 1264 01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:10,600 I'm gonna go guard the ball handler and he's not getting by me. He's 1265 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,520 not really that kind of defender by reputation, But I mean he would be 1266 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,640 an upgrade on basically everybody that they've tried to use in that role. So 1267 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,479 I was just trying to think of someone with more size than a Javon Carter 1268 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,760 or even like I would assume it might actually be the guy. I don't 1269 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,680 know if Chicago wants to move him, but that would be really really interesting. 1270 01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,960 I don't know that I give up I wouldn't give up bow Champ and 1271 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,279 the Portland pick. I give up the Portland pick for him, though. 1272 01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:33,359 Yeah, I think I think who's most likely player to be traded on this 1273 01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:40,359 team? I mean, I guess it's there's so many bad options. I 1274 01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:45,159 guess it's Beauchamp, Right, I guess I don't know who. Like I 1275 01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:48,600 was gonna say Conaton just because you have to match salary somehow. Yeah, 1276 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:53,199 I think I'm just trying to think like Conniston actually kind of matters for them, 1277 01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:56,840 But like when day Crowder's healthy and Malik Beasley is there, does he 1278 01:18:57,279 --> 01:19:00,560 like as much matters less? Yeah? Yeah, I certainly compared to Bouchamp, 1279 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,960 You're getting more for Connatent because Connaistan's like a rotation guy on a good 1280 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,479 team, like they've just been that for a long time. I'm probably more 1281 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,039 intrigued by Bouchamp, though for the teams that are gonna be selling, I'd 1282 01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:12,880 be more intrigued by bow Champion. Right. If you're if you're trying to 1283 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,960 get your your seventh guy hammered down, like you say, you're this would 1284 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,439 never happen, but like we're you're the Celtics, and you're trying to because 1285 01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,000 there someone that's, like, you know, maybe a little better than Peyton 1286 01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:26,199 Pritchard, but like not as good as as Sam Hauser. Like maybe that's 1287 01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:29,159 your connistant team. Whereas like if you offer bou Schamp to Boston, they'd 1288 01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:31,520 be like, we don't We're not like he can't play for us like that, 1289 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,279 you know, So that kind of I guess that settles to your point 1290 01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:39,199 that Contant probably is the guy to move. Good job on the Central We 1291 01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:44,760 did the Central Division and we were on to the Atlantic with Brooklyn Correct Boston, 1292 01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:47,720 Boston. Oh my god, I've got you. I was just talking 1293 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,640 about him. They need like a their eighth or ninth best player. That's 1294 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,600 about it. You're not gonna mess with anything else right like this. I 1295 01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:00,479 don't know, Uh, although looking good, shaver Set's played better last couple 1296 01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,520 of games that I've seen, So maybe maybe maybe they don't need anything. 1297 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,520 I don't know. We probably don't discussion. I know people think that they 1298 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,880 need a big and they do have. Look, if they were willing to 1299 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,239 pay, they have the six point two million dollar trade exception from the Grant 1300 01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:16,520 Williams sign in trade. Yea that Like, I don't know who is just 1301 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,520 going to give away a player for that. But if you're looking for a 1302 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:23,720 different type of guard or a big I like Davon Carter for this team, 1303 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,479 Naji Marshall for this team, maybe even an Aaron Wiggins type, like kind 1304 01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,640 of a shot of adrenaline that'll give you some rim pressure. I don't know 1305 01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,520 what it cost to get him from Okay. So specifically, those are the 1306 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:38,119 types of needle like nudging moves that're like very marginal. I can't just and 1307 01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:40,880 I saw a report that they're interested in Kelly Olynik or Chris Bouchet, and 1308 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,439 I'm just like, what's the matching salary? They can't sign these guys if 1309 01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,359 they were bought out? Uh, because well, actually Kelly Olynick might be 1310 01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,800 right on the line once he making this year and he's too good to buy 1311 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,840 out, like he could be about it if you trying to do him a 1312 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,720 solid. But so what are you like you don't have salary matching I know 1313 01:20:59,399 --> 01:21:02,479 millions, so they could sign him. I think the names are like you 1314 01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,079 know, the salaries, we have to figure it out. But like someone 1315 01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:10,560 like Otto Porter Nos Little Sadik bay Jalen McDaniels, like that type of player 1316 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,720 is if you're looking for on a championship team who's back baa count which the 1317 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,359 Buck's gonna help you even further after getting making don't think those two teams are 1318 01:21:19,399 --> 01:21:24,319 gonna collaborate on a trade. But like, I'm just thinking of the big 1319 01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:28,439 wing that Brad Stevens has expressly said they need as like that's the only thing 1320 01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,840 they really don't have in you know, a third one. Obviously you have 1321 01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:35,279 two great ones, but like someone that could be the eighth or ninth best 1322 01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:41,119 player on Boston and that you could for like actually see playing seven minutes in 1323 01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:45,960 a playoff game porter little Bay mcda like something like that. You know, 1324 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,720 it could be interesting. I don't know if Boston would do it because it 1325 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:53,560 would cost a shit ton. But if you're willing to take Kyra Lewis into 1326 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,279 that traded player exception to get New Orleans out of the luxury tax, and 1327 01:21:57,319 --> 01:22:00,000 they were gonna then gonna send you Naji Marshall, who's basically making them minute, 1328 01:22:00,279 --> 01:22:02,479 you don't really need to worry about that. I might consider that. 1329 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,520 I know that's very expensive for Naji Marshall, but he has some really good 1330 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,960 moments this season, and if I don't know if New Orleans is gonna keep 1331 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,920 him in free agency, they got they got luxury task concerns themselves. No, 1332 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,279 I think I think Boston should absolutely do that, Like just I mean, 1333 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,520 you're you're trying to win it now right now. You just need like 1334 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,880 one more guy maybe, and Marshall is like more than good enough to be 1335 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,119 that again, like the seven minutes, not even every game in a playoff 1336 01:22:28,119 --> 01:22:30,239 series like twice you need him out there, like you know, you can 1337 01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:32,760 play him from five, like just in a pinch, just to try and 1338 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,000 see what happens. Yeah. No, I mean, this is the best 1339 01:22:35,039 --> 01:22:38,680 team in the league to me, and they just like you know, they 1340 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,680 don't need to do anything, and and if they do something, it's gonna 1341 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,479 be just the absolute back end of the rotation who might not even play if 1342 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,199 you shrink it in the postseason. We are now on to Brooklyn. Uh, 1343 01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:51,680 this is interesting. We know the Celtics are buyers, what are the 1344 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,680 nets? They gotta be sellers, don't they. I mean, I think 1345 01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,439 that's the only way to go. I mean, the way that their picks 1346 01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,760 are set up. So it's just sort of if they were going to be 1347 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,840 sellers, then it's right time to gauge the market on Michael Bridges, who 1348 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:09,680 I just don't buy into this regression talk from him. It just happens that 1349 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,199 teams have a sample size on him and his role and like he probably needs 1350 01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:15,399 to be the number two rather than number one, and that's not really a 1351 01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,800 problem. I would still give up everything for mckel Bridges. I don't care, 1352 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:23,079 Like I'm looking at teams. If it was Foss Houston, if I 1353 01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:26,760 was OKAC, if I'm the Knicks, I would throw the kitchen sink just 1354 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,319 at mckel Bridges. But I don't, like, I guess you do look 1355 01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:33,239 at moving during Phinney Smith and Royce O'Neill. To what end? Maybe Nick 1356 01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:39,399 Claxton, he's also gonna be a free agent, Spencer Genwiddy to what end? 1357 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,239 Though? Yeah, I mean, like you said, it's tough because 1358 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,199 they owe that twenty twenty four first to Houston. It's unprotected, so like, 1359 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,239 oh, let's strip the whole thing for parts and try to lose as 1360 01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:51,800 many games as we can, like even though some teams have such a head 1361 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,960 start, like that's not gonna get you anything. So I still think, 1362 01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:00,399 I mean, I want to keep bridges. I think if you're a seller, 1363 01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,279 you got to draw the line somewhere. This isn't like, you know, 1364 01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:08,760 even though trading bridges, if you could get all those first and just 1365 01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,840 make it so you're operating like a normal NBA team that has first, Houston 1366 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,239 gave you back all your first and because how many, well, let's see 1367 01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:19,239 how many. I constantly forget how many. I can't keep its trade either. 1368 01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:23,159 But while you're looking that up, I think it's like, clearly you 1369 01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:26,840 try to trade Phinney Smith. Clearly O'Neill. Dinwitty, sure, I mean 1370 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,600 maybe Dinwitty again. We're looking for the low cost alternatives. Like I don't 1371 01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,159 know, does Dinwitty help Orlando as a rental? Like if you're talking about 1372 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:36,760 Brogden going there, I mean Dinwitty hasn't shot it well. But like you 1373 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,159 know, there are places that need point guards and send them to I don't 1374 01:24:41,159 --> 01:24:42,680 know. Go ahead, you have something you want to say. I can 1375 01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,600 see at this. I'm just laughing at for I forget it. Just how 1376 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,479 many picks they have owed to Houston. So let's I'm looking only the first 1377 01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,880 one. So they owe this year's and twenty twenty six, and then they 1378 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:57,359 have swap rights owed in twenty five and twenty seven. And so if Houston 1379 01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,359 said, hey, we have the expense, I think they have the expendable 1380 01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:04,039 salaries that they can step ladder their way to get there where it's not oh, 1381 01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:08,600 we need to give you Dylan Brooks or Street or somebody if they said, 1382 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,479 here's Tari Easton, all of your own picks back so to first some 1383 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:17,399 protected and two swapops and Tari Easton for McHale Bridges. I said, let 1384 01:25:17,399 --> 01:25:24,000 me get Jalen Green too. Honestly, even playing better? Would you do 1385 01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:27,880 that? If you're Houston, I get Bridges? I mean, I can't. 1386 01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:31,000 That seems like so much. You said Easton. Also Eastan's in this 1387 01:25:31,119 --> 01:25:34,560 trade. Well, I wasn't. You were including Jalen Green. I wasn't. 1388 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,199 I just I was just trying to slip that in there. I mean, 1389 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,039 I think, well, is that too much for Bridges? Though it 1390 01:25:41,119 --> 01:25:45,640 might not. That's the thing is the Rockets need to believe that they're they're 1391 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,840 ready. I think the issue they would run into it, well, I 1392 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,600 mean, we're gonna be talking about like an eight for one trade at that 1393 01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:55,359 point, because like, you're not trading Brooks. I would assume, I 1394 01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:57,960 mean you, I guess you would if it be getting McKell Bridges, but 1395 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,000 Van Vliet and and then after that, your third highest paid player this season 1396 01:26:02,039 --> 01:26:05,640 is the nine point nine million dollar Jailen Green. So you do have Oladipo's 1397 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:11,680 expiring salary at nine point five plus Jacques Landell at eight. So you're already 1398 01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,359 and you got plenty of room under the luxury tax right now. So I 1399 01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:18,119 mean like you could get there with three players, so easan those two players 1400 01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:21,880 and those picks. Who says no, that's a pretty good one. I 1401 01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:29,680 think, I think maybe, And Brooklyn says no, Brooklyn consider including another 1402 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:35,079 first or Jalen Green. This is just we've exploded this trade. Let's see. 1403 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,439 So if I'm Brooklyn in this scenario, I got all my picks back. 1404 01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,039 I got Jalen Green now, which actually, like on a team full 1405 01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:45,720 of guys that don't really know how to create offense. Like you know, 1406 01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,680 Jalen Green is a nice flyer in there, and I got we kind of 1407 01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,760 saw that version of him over the first couple of years in Houston. It's 1408 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,920 a pure upside play. It's a hope that like he figures it out and 1409 01:26:56,079 --> 01:27:00,560 justifies the draft pedigree. I feel pretty good if I'm Brooklyn there, and 1410 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,239 then if I'm Houston, I think they both we've cracked it. They both 1411 01:27:03,279 --> 01:27:06,319 say, yes, a good job. Take a laugh. So wait, 1412 01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:12,760 what did we settle on Jalen Green to first to two first and two swaps? 1413 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,600 For Britain and you had to have Landale or somebody else in there. 1414 01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,920 If Brooklyn said you can keep Easton if you throw us another first, would 1415 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:25,640 you do that? I really like Tari Easton and those just so you have 1416 01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:31,520 Bridges Brooks, aman Thompson, Jabari Smith Junior, Fred Van Fleet, Shane 1417 01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,560 Goon. Are you starting to run out? Jayshawn Tate is still there? 1418 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,560 You're starting to run out of minutes on the pri those first aren't going to 1419 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,560 be any good, So I'm taking Jalen Green. I think the Rockets first 1420 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,640 are not going to be good after a while with that lineup, so you 1421 01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,880 would rather if you're Brooklyn, you prefer Tar Easton over the other pick. 1422 01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:53,680 I think so. I really like Tari Easton. Uh So I was said 1423 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,159 too. I'm just saying he's not a star cornerstone and there's the could be 1424 01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:00,319 anything element to the draft pick. That's true. I would just be banking 1425 01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:03,199 on the fact that Houston's gonna be picking in the twenties unless you go way 1426 01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:06,399 out, so call it in that Houston one. However, if you're gonna 1427 01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:11,840 keep mcal Bridges, should there be a consideration of lightly but like should this 1428 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,079 be a Dejonte Murray team. That's interesting. Then you're then you're just pivoting 1429 01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:21,640 in to buy. You could certainly provide salary waiting for Donovan Mitchell make sense 1430 01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:25,319 for this team if you're keeping Bridges. I guess he does. Oh yeah, 1431 01:28:25,359 --> 01:28:28,920 because that puts Bridges in his proper offensive spot. Because I think what 1432 01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,199 you're doing is you're trying to trade how do we get extra first in here? 1433 01:28:32,279 --> 01:28:35,560 And so that involves what can we get for Claxton d fs Royce O'Neal 1434 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:39,680 specifically. Yeah, if you're trying to two step it to Mitchell, eventually 1435 01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,880 you need to recoup them first. And you I mean, I think Claxton 1436 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,439 should get you first, although the next team is gonna have to pay him. 1437 01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,600 But I pause, Okay, see, I don't for sure. He's 1438 01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,880 not like as bulky as you might want. In an ideal situation, rebound'll 1439 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,640 protect the rim. Though. Yeah, it works fine because Chet is a 1440 01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:02,720 check at a revelation. Chet's a guard at all that that is the potential 1441 01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,319 defensive player of the year, but he but also he's a guard, So 1442 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,640 like that's a fine fit. If Claxton doesn't space for you, you can 1443 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,439 you can more than survive offensively if that's your four or five, and defensively, 1444 01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,399 like forget about it, that's ridiculous. But yeah, so you try 1445 01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,680 to find some firsts and then that gets you, That clears the decks a 1446 01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:24,279 little bit, and you build around Mitchell and bridges eventually like that's I mean, 1447 01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:28,039 I don't hate it. But what is interesting though, is that the 1448 01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:30,119 Cows might want DFS any Mitchell deal this summer, so you probably have to 1449 01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:32,560 be cognizant of that. And that leads me to my final question on NETS. 1450 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:38,600 Who's the most likely player to be traded Finny Smith, just because I 1451 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,279 think he's gonna He's kind of the most universal fit type guy, and I 1452 01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:45,520 think, yeah, yeah, this team is kind of the mother of all 1453 01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,960 hedges too. With we said they could basically buy or sell, or at 1454 01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:55,319 least plan for the for the buye uh. We are on to the your 1455 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,239 New York Knicks, My New York Knicks. I'll take claim to them. 1456 01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:01,720 They're playing well enough, that's fine with me. They're buyers. But I'm 1457 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,199 just wondering. You know, Mitchell Robinson's probably coming back this year. Isaiah 1458 01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:09,800 Hartenstein looks like he They have early Bird rights on him, and so like 1459 01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,479 you think around fifteen million or whatever, it's gonna be enough to keep him 1460 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,520 playing well enough where it's did you know he's only twenty five. He's gonna 1461 01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:21,039 get two more good NBA contracts before it's all done. So. But nonstar 1462 01:30:21,119 --> 01:30:25,800 centers, the market's always fickle. It's just we know what they need. 1463 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:30,479 There's the set, like another ball handler. Even with Dante DiVincenzo getting those 1464 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:34,279 threes up, even with having Deuce McBride filling in fairly well, I think 1465 01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:38,600 that's something you probably still look at because you want that third guy aside from 1466 01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,720 Randall, especially given out Randall's fair fair to the playoffs and Brunson who can 1467 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,319 just get you the frump scratch bucket. But it comes to the question of 1468 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,680 the star that fits or makes sense for this team still isn't available, at 1469 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,000 least as far as we know. Although I would love mckel bridges here, 1470 01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:57,439 like that's the should be talking another kitchen sync trade there, which is like 1471 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,119 you're throwing the picks and Evin Fournier for mckail bride. I don't think you're 1472 01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:03,760 allowed to have Anenobian Bridges on the same team. I think there's a rule. 1473 01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:09,079 I would, honestly, I'd probably orgasm if that t right happen if 1474 01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:12,720 you have a Gananobi and mckalbridge on the same team. So do you think 1475 01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,119 there's a I think a lot of people are like, well, the Jenttey 1476 01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:17,279 Murray has been mentioned, Terry Rozier has been mentioned, Malcolm Brogden has been 1477 01:31:17,319 --> 01:31:24,159 mentioned. I like the idea of rolling Evan Fournier's contract into someone who's on 1478 01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:27,520 the books for next year, who's more functional for your team, and they 1479 01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,199 could still be flipped as part of salary matching. It's about carrying that salary 1480 01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:33,039 over. You could do that with Evan Fournier's team option, but that's not 1481 01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:38,439 him at seventeen eighty millions, not moving anybody. It's just an expiring contract. 1482 01:31:39,079 --> 01:31:42,399 I just what else does it cost to get these guys? Is where 1483 01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,159 it gets awkward, and it's do you want to expend any first round equity? 1484 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:48,439 And even look in the case of Terry Rozier, it's like we're giving 1485 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:53,960 up Evan Fournier and Quentin Grimes if we're the Knicks and other salary to match 1486 01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:57,359 or I don't even know if they need to match I haven't even plugged this 1487 01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,960 in, but maybe they don't need to matter, like to get terror or 1488 01:32:00,039 --> 01:32:02,239 a year into play one of your you know, like one two of your 1489 01:32:02,359 --> 01:32:06,239 better trade chips left. That just feels a little awkward. And so I 1490 01:32:06,279 --> 01:32:12,159 don't know that the perfect acquisition within reason exists. And so it wouldn't shock 1491 01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:15,319 me if, like obviously saying og had always going to be their biggest movie 1492 01:32:15,359 --> 01:32:17,640 and spicy, but just wouldn't shock me if they don't really do anything. 1493 01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:24,800 You wouldn't shock me either, because they've been really you know, commendably careful 1494 01:32:25,159 --> 01:32:28,760 about keeping the powder dry, like even getting Anonobi without you know, giving 1495 01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,119 up the pick haul. Then you have ten to half million under the hard 1496 01:32:31,159 --> 01:32:34,840 cap. So like that's that's room that they could work with. I just 1497 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:38,680 think, like you said it, like that you know, another ball handler 1498 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:43,279 whatever, like a you know, shot creator, Like can you get to 1499 01:32:44,039 --> 01:32:49,920 uh uh bogged On Bogdanovic or like brogged in or you know, I'm trying 1500 01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:56,119 to think Jordan Clarkson, Like can you get to those guys using you know, 1501 01:32:56,279 --> 01:33:00,439 Fournier and one of your shitty incoming first round picks, Like you probably 1502 01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,760 need more than that for you know, someone like Clarkson maybe, but like 1503 01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:10,760 you can really offer legit salary relief, and you can the acquiring team can 1504 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,479 say we got a first because you know, even though there's an asterisk next 1505 01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,520 to some of the ones, I think the Knicks should be willing to trade. 1506 01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:21,600 There's there's definitely ways to go get that ball handler. It's just a 1507 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:27,159 question of like, can you do it without you know, throwing McBride or 1508 01:33:27,159 --> 01:33:30,800 throwing Grimes or whatever in there. I think the problem with that logic, 1509 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,399 because both of us have it, is well, go get that ball handler 1510 01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,279 Grimes. His minutes are going to mc toilet anyway, right, so that 1511 01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,880 you're just yeah, yeah, you just use him, so you maybe give 1512 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:45,800 it even worse pick because Grimes is more desirable in a vacuum. I think 1513 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,399 for the the mode of operations that Nicks are trying to follow, Jean say, 1514 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:54,119 Murray makes the most sense off the court as an asset play, but 1515 01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:57,359 we don't like it on the court. Actually don't hate him on the court. 1516 01:33:57,399 --> 01:34:00,600 But if it's now gonna it's gonna infringe upon your three point volume. 1517 01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,319 And Dante Divincenzo's taking mega difficult threes in high volume right now, and just 1518 01:34:04,319 --> 01:34:08,880 like like, and then you have Josh Hart as well. So unless you're 1519 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:14,039 planning on playing really small at points with Julius at the five, which this 1520 01:34:14,119 --> 01:34:17,159 season, okay maybe because of the Mitchell Robinson injury, that's where the Dejontay 1521 01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:20,039 Murray thing. But if if the cost is low enough where it's Grimes and 1522 01:34:20,279 --> 01:34:25,840 salary and like a second or one of your like if it's just Grimes one 1523 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:30,880 of your crummy first and Evan Fournier for de Jontay Murray, Like, if 1524 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,800 it's the Mavericks pick Grimes in Fournier, you're really do you turn that down? 1525 01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:40,640 Just because at the Hawks turn that down? They probably should, but 1526 01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,800 would they I don't know, get real quickly. We got to move on, 1527 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,199 but like I want to, I don't know if we've talked specifically about 1528 01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:53,560 this, the Murray fit with New York. We've talked offline about how it's 1529 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,479 like, you know the issues with it? Is it tell me what you 1530 01:34:56,479 --> 01:35:00,199 think about this? Like I know that the reason you traded quickly principally because 1531 01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:04,199 og Anobi is really good and we would like to have him. So that's 1532 01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:09,079 that's the cost of doing business. But is it also fair to say that 1533 01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:15,600 a factor was we're not in love with the quickly brunts and pairing, particularly 1534 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,199 if we are paying Quickly his next deal of twenty five to thirty million dollars 1535 01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:21,479 a year, Like that's a factor, right. It was kind of like 1536 01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:27,239 they sent that issue to Toronto, who's probably more willing to pay that money 1537 01:35:27,239 --> 01:35:30,800 and is a better spot for him, Dido for Antonobe going back, because 1538 01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,760 it's like just makes more sense for the acquiring team to pay the guy. 1539 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,920 So like part of it was the quickly brunts and fit for what it was 1540 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,319 going to cost, right, Yeah, for sure. And I think just 1541 01:35:40,399 --> 01:35:45,560 also they decided paying Oji Annobi at they could also decide we'd rather Paydjonde and 1542 01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:53,279 og Ananobi let's say sixty million dollars combined, than pay fifty something for RJ 1543 01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:57,439 and Quickly. It's still I think that's right, but it's still it's still 1544 01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,199 like you just make the Quickly to Murray compare Garrison, and they're kind of 1545 01:36:00,319 --> 01:36:04,720 really really similar where and we have talked about this where Quickly is a more 1546 01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:10,479 efficient scorer, he's three years younger, He's probably gonna make comparable money. 1547 01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,880 And if you didn't love that fit, I get it like Anonobe is the 1548 01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,439 variable right like you. It's not just it's not you know, Quickly or 1549 01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:21,119 Murray. It's like Anonobe is there now because Quickly's gone, so it changes 1550 01:36:21,119 --> 01:36:24,199 it. It's not a one to one. But if you didn't love the 1551 01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:27,920 Quickly brunts and fit, why do you love the Murray brunts and fit? 1552 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,800 Because the Murray has been You can't bank on this, but Murray has been 1553 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:34,439 one of the most efficient pull up three point shooters in the league this year. 1554 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,640 I'm not banking on that. I think. I think I think the 1555 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,840 way you get there for me And I'm not saying this would be my logic, 1556 01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,000 but if I'm trying to like argue against myself on it, it's that 1557 01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:49,039 I and I'm the Knicks now. I think Murray has the capacity to get 1558 01:36:49,079 --> 01:36:53,439 back to like an all defensive level that he hit like five years ago or 1559 01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,199 something, if he's on a team with and maybe not all defense, but 1560 01:36:56,199 --> 01:37:00,960 if he's on a team with og Ananobi and Jalen Brunson and Julie Randall and 1561 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,000 then these like Dante Evincenzo is a complimentary player and even Hartenstein stuff. They 1562 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,399 can run through him like you don't need to do as much on offense, 1563 01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:11,920 right, and he also gives you someone We've seen some of their like one 1564 01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,199 star minutes have been weird at points. He's done well for the most part 1565 01:37:15,239 --> 01:37:18,319 in the one star minutes with Atlanta this season. So I think there's more 1566 01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:23,000 there's more of a fit risk, but I do think there's a higher upside 1567 01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:26,520 than saying, well, we'll just take Brogden or Terry Orsi or oh, 1568 01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,039 opportunity costs to the biggest one, as you mentioned, if the Hawks or 1569 01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:32,600 don't want, like if it's two firsts, or if it's Grimes in a 1570 01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:36,119 first and you might as well just capitalize on the opportunity. Or even if 1571 01:37:36,119 --> 01:37:40,479 it's Grimes in the Detroit and Washington picks, it's just kind of like, 1572 01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,960 are those going or maybe one of those in the Dallas pick, because that 1573 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,000 doesn't look like it's gonna be very good this year. I'm more inclined to 1574 01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:48,560 think about the swing than I think a lot of Knicks fans are, and 1575 01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,840 knowing that they are probably a lot of Knicks fans who watch the team more 1576 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:55,920 than I have, that's fair. I just I don't view Murray as necessarily 1577 01:37:55,960 --> 01:38:00,600 this ball stopper who's impossible to fit in. I think last the last thing 1578 01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,600 is we, or at least I started this out talking about how like it 1579 01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,760 might cost way more than you think to get Murray because he might be the 1580 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:11,920 best player available and several teams will be like bidding up for him. That's 1581 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,920 the reason for the Knicks not to get involved, because they got to keep 1582 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:17,760 the powder dry. I will say, though, the final thing here, 1583 01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:21,199 for real is this could be more about, Okay, it's awkward this season, 1584 01:38:21,359 --> 01:38:24,880 but like, we don't want to deal with Julius Randalls next deal, 1585 01:38:25,039 --> 01:38:27,920 so we're gonna look at moving him as good and important as he's been to 1586 01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:29,960 us, and so we want to make sure we still have at least that 1587 01:38:30,039 --> 01:38:31,920 second creator, yeah, or someone who could be used as part of the 1588 01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,800 star trade. So I'm more aboard the Murray train if the price is lower 1589 01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,640 than you expect, which is kind of a stupid thing to say, but 1590 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,479 we're talking about Murray maybe netting the most first of any player available, and 1591 01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,880 if he's not at that level, if the Hawks are just that like all 1592 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,560 over the place, I'd be in on it. If I was the nick 1593 01:38:49,159 --> 01:38:53,920 Our next team, the Philadelphia seventy six ers. They are clearly buyers. 1594 01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:59,319 Joe Ebids dealing with left knee problems going hard after that second MVP award for 1595 01:38:59,359 --> 01:39:02,880 some reason was pretty stupid, and it seems pretty stupid now. He's currently 1596 01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:06,119 on pace to play in fewer games than he needs to. I do think 1597 01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:11,680 is there more urgent? Oh? Really quick? Who's the most likely player 1598 01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:13,960 to be traded on the Knicks? This is just fortnite because if they make 1599 01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:18,560 a deal, he's their only expendable salary matching five a team million expiring or 1600 01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,720 I mean, like team what is is a team option right for the last 1601 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:27,319 year of it so expiring? So I think it's got to be him because 1602 01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:30,199 that's the way you can improve the team with with that money. And like 1603 01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:31,560 a pick that you you know, a pick you can spare. I think 1604 01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,640 that's got to be the one with Philly. I know a lot of people 1605 01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:39,000 have said they're gonna have more, that they're not gonna have dual max space. 1606 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,199 Everybody shut up about that. Police, They're gonna have more than max 1607 01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:44,279 space this summer. But they can get to like a twenty million dollar player 1608 01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:47,520 or so and then still carve out max space. Will holding on to Maxi's 1609 01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,239 cap hold about And I think this is why I'm hijacking the discussion at the 1610 01:39:51,239 --> 01:39:54,760 beginning rather than throwing oh, this is because I was gonna be the one 1611 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,399 that's like, well, but what about the cap space and do they want 1612 01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:01,279 to tack on? Here's here's my whole thing is we've like over romanticized what 1613 01:40:01,359 --> 01:40:04,920 they did to get rid of James Harden, just like whatever happened behind the 1614 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,359 scenes, they're at least somewhat at fault, And like, you got these 1615 01:40:08,399 --> 01:40:12,439 picks, okay, and you're touting this cap space at a time when no 1616 01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:16,039 one unless they play for Masai U Jiri, leaves him free agency for nothing 1617 01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:19,600 when they're on that level, And so what are we doing here? If 1618 01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:24,960 you want to preserve it for flexibility in trades? Fine, yeah, Like 1619 01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:29,000 don't pretend like we might poach og Ananobe from the Knicks. No, you're 1620 01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,319 not fucking doing that. And so who's the free agent? Paul George and 1621 01:40:31,399 --> 01:40:34,840 Kwi Kwi has already extended, Paul George is gonna extend. You've been there, 1622 01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,520 done that with James Harden. Who are you going after? Like, 1623 01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,960 who do you really want? At this point, I do think this is 1624 01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,439 not where I was headed with this, with the embead injury, them coming 1625 01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:49,159 back down to earth a little bit. I think there needs to be more 1626 01:40:49,399 --> 01:40:53,359 urgency to make a move this season, and if you still want to preserve 1627 01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:56,439 your cap space, then it's and I'm not saying go get Zach Lavine, 1628 01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,399 That's not what I'm saying, but I'm thinking about, you know, if 1629 01:40:59,399 --> 01:41:01,840 it infringes the up on your max base, Terry Rozier could work. The 1630 01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:03,920 one that makes a lot of sense because I think you could still get to 1631 01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:08,800 Max's room with him would be Bo dab Bardanovic if he's on your books next 1632 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,640 season. Those are all names. You don't have the assets. By the 1633 01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,079 way, though, as much as we talk about like Philly might have the 1634 01:41:15,159 --> 01:41:17,560 powder to get a star, no, I don't like and they might be 1635 01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:21,479 able to get to Jante Murray because he's a fringe star. But like I 1636 01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:27,119 use this analogy, do you have the assets to make players who weren't available 1637 01:41:27,239 --> 01:41:31,680 available? And the answer is no, no they I was looking through their 1638 01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,880 inbound picks on your right up here, thinking like, how do we get 1639 01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:39,920 to bridges level of pick equity? And since we just established it's two unprotecteds 1640 01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,439 and two swaps and a bunch of young players, like they're not getting there. 1641 01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:46,279 But so that's interesting. So I definitely have viewed the Sixers as like, 1642 01:41:47,239 --> 01:41:53,319 how do they thread the needle between preserving that flexibility that Daryl Morey has 1643 01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:57,680 you know, been so interested in and then also upping their championship equity which 1644 01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,159 is like the thing that Daryl Moury has always been most interested in, And 1645 01:42:00,399 --> 01:42:03,199 how do you how do you do both? But I think your point, 1646 01:42:03,279 --> 01:42:06,880 it's kind of reframed it for me, like cap space and free agency just 1647 01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:12,439 doesn't mean anything anymore, like and especially this class, like there's just not 1648 01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:16,880 like the guys are just they're they're they're the options are dwindling all the time 1649 01:42:17,039 --> 01:42:20,119 like that, And so it's not even about maybe the new CBA changes this 1650 01:42:20,199 --> 01:42:25,079 over time, Yeah we're not going to feel that effect. No summer at 1651 01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:28,680 some point maybe because things always change like this, like cap space will matter 1652 01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,199 again, but like it doesn't seem like we're gonna approach that anytime. So 1653 01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,039 then this is just like a buyer that's trying to figure out how to combine 1654 01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:39,680 you know, a bunch of their mid level salaries like the Batombs and Morrises 1655 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:45,039 and Covington's and that kind of thing together to get what like a two way 1656 01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:47,600 wing that's like bigger than de Anthony Melton. Like that's that's kind of what 1657 01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:53,359 you're you're after, because we've established they don't have the juice to get like 1658 01:42:53,399 --> 01:42:56,880 a clear third star, right. I just don't because if we're saying Murray 1659 01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,960 is the best guy that's maybe available, it's going to be traded. I 1660 01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,079 don't love him here to MAXI so like, who is that guy? I 1661 01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:05,520 think it's And it's also just if you're trying to thread the needle, though 1662 01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:10,359 it's still like threading the needle. If you get Bogdanovic, I assume that 1663 01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:14,479 would cost you a first round pick. If if you get Kelden Johnson, 1664 01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,680 he'd be kind of interesting for this team. That cost you a first round 1665 01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,479 pick, and so you've preserved the ability to get to one max slot. 1666 01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:24,720 But now you've expended at least one first round pick. And I don't know 1667 01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,439 honestly what Kelden Johnson's value is. He would just intrigue me as a fit 1668 01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,640 on this team. Threading the needle would be like really threading the needle or 1669 01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,560 catering to the cap space, and your picks would be can we get Tias 1670 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:38,600 Jones without giving up a first? And you could do that and that's fine, 1671 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,199 but I just don't know what that does for you this season. And 1672 01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:45,439 I think Joel Embiid is a dominant player, but the window is both dominant 1673 01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:49,159 and fickle. Yeah, how long is it going to be open? Who's 1674 01:43:49,159 --> 01:43:55,560 the most likely guy to get traded here? I'll ask you probably. I 1675 01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:59,560 just think Marcus Moore a senior, he has such like a huge expiring contract, 1676 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:01,720 and but toom can be useful. I think Roco not playing a ton 1677 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,479 someone who could probably still be useful, but they have they do have a 1678 01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:09,359 ton of expirings if they're willing to take on money, and it's you know, 1679 01:44:09,399 --> 01:44:11,720 even if this eats into you, you can't get to a max slot 1680 01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,680 unless you're gonna do some other things. I guess like Terry Rozier might make 1681 01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,760 a lot of sense for this team if you're Oliver someone bigger. I mentioned 1682 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,199 Kelvin Johnson. That's where you start to run into issues. Now that ogn 1683 01:44:19,279 --> 01:44:23,239 and Obi's off the market, is where's the Because they're not going to be 1684 01:44:23,279 --> 01:44:27,640 a Jeremy Grant or Kyle Kuzma team. So where's just like this bigger hybrid 1685 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:32,960 two three four guy coming from I wonder if he weren't hurt, if Marcus 1686 01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:40,640 Smart might be someone that they could put salary together for. But he plays 1687 01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:44,279 up, He plays up pe Can guard center. Do you remember, Like, 1688 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,479 yeah, should it be a DeAndre Hunter team if they I don't think 1689 01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:50,800 they would trade him without giving up a first But if you were just able 1690 01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:56,439 to send out expiring contracts and like your highest level seconds available or something, 1691 01:44:57,399 --> 01:45:00,479 Yeah, does he and but would he? Does he make a little too 1692 01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:02,720 much to where he forecloses on your Again we've just shipped on cap space, 1693 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:09,079 but like just he knocked out of the salary the mac space he is. 1694 01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:14,000 So he's at like twenty million this year, so that's called money basically, 1695 01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,960 right, But so next year he's at twenty one seven. That's like right 1696 01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:20,159 on the borderline. That's what I was thinking, is I knew it escalated, 1697 01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:24,600 but you could always The other thing is it's like if you're especially you're 1698 01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,479 not giving up a first ro, you can always just move him later. 1699 01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,880 Someone take Dedre Hunter's money. Yeah, and it wouldn't be hard to get 1700 01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:32,079 off some of these other you know, other deals ahead of the deadline. 1701 01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:36,159 Like you said they got a million expiring guys like ranging anywhere from like what 1702 01:45:36,399 --> 01:45:41,600 Kelly u brayon and Kenny Martin Junior, like right around two million, and 1703 01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:45,000 you get all the way up to Morris's expiring. So yeah, like there's 1704 01:45:45,159 --> 01:45:47,800 there's ways to try to get on markel Foltz. See he's up to see 1705 01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:51,600 if he wants to come back, try it again. Yeah, they're DFS 1706 01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:55,840 team. Like that's someone who's on the books, doesn't fuck with your cap 1707 01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,279 space, he doesn't give you any creation. Yeah, what's that trade look 1708 01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:01,920 like? Though? It's like trading the Nets one of your expiring three four 1709 01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:06,880 combo veterans. Like Oh, it's just like like who's what pick? What 1710 01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:10,399 pick is moving? And where's it going to get that? I guess you've 1711 01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:13,960 got to give the Nets a pick? Would you very quick on him? 1712 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,920 Would you be in on de Jontay Murray for them? How do you feel 1713 01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:24,000 about Murray? MAXI? Hmmm, I just I I I'm increasingly convinced that 1714 01:46:24,079 --> 01:46:27,960 Murray is This is more from Murray's side of it, like he should be 1715 01:46:28,039 --> 01:46:32,039 the primary point guard, I think probably as opposed to splitting it with another 1716 01:46:32,079 --> 01:46:36,720 guard like Mai Defer though, Yeah, which, you know what you just 1717 01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:40,439 gave Maxie the reins. Do we really need to bring in another guard? 1718 01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,920 That's no, I don't know, I don't I don't love it. My 1719 01:46:44,079 --> 01:46:46,960 counterpoint would be dejent Dey Murray has changed the way that he plays a lot 1720 01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,680 more than Tree Young has, and so I don't know, if you're I 1721 01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:54,000 think you might be underselling his adaptability. Maybe that's true, Maybe that's not 1722 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,640 fair. Yeah, it's very very possible that all of the issues we're having 1723 01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:00,760 with Atlanta, like why doesn't it work is because of Trade Young and like 1724 01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,479 that's the guy that they're not, you know, gonna move. Probably, 1725 01:47:03,159 --> 01:47:08,359 Yeah, I just I think, like I remember doing like biggest regrets for 1726 01:47:08,399 --> 01:47:11,000 every team. Maybe we did a pot about it. I can't even remember, 1727 01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,159 but like for the Sixers, I think it was like this market sucks 1728 01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,079 and they have a lot of options and they just say there isn't anybody that 1729 01:47:16,279 --> 01:47:20,159 justifies them, like really going for it with who's out there, and that's 1730 01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:23,680 kind of too bad. I mean, that's just maybe that's a cop out 1731 01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:27,800 since we're supposed to be coming up with solutions, but like the problem for 1732 01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:32,159 them is really conspicuous, Like they've got we could even name surprise candidates that 1733 01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:35,720 up here we've named Mikal Bridges, who I think is being viewed as untouchable 1734 01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:39,359 in Brooklyn, like he's been talked about must at the same with Larry Market 1735 01:47:39,359 --> 01:47:43,359 and like the Sixers don't have the assets to get in a bidding war or 1736 01:47:43,399 --> 01:47:48,800 to win a bidding like war. I mean I did the idea, like 1737 01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:53,560 forty five degree head turn. I had an idea. We're just you said, 1738 01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,720 like pie in the sky guys, like could you just send some expiring 1739 01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,199 salary to the Warriors with like a pick for Wiggins, like not even a 1740 01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:02,680 first Like would they just there? Are you really burning your max cap space 1741 01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,239 that you can have Andrew Wiggins on your team? Well, I guess yeah, 1742 01:48:05,239 --> 01:48:08,319 he is a little bit over, huh because he's in the twenties, 1743 01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:14,399 why Thompson, Yeah, just a waits expiring. You know, I didn't 1744 01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:16,279 mention with Orlando because I was afraid, And now I'm just sure that Orlando 1745 01:48:16,319 --> 01:48:20,199 Magic fans probably aren't listening. But like Johnan, if they're just looking at 1746 01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:26,840 like Jonathan Isaac and Markel Foltz for Kway Thompson. Just do you want to 1747 01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:30,079 get your shooter in there? Here's your shooter there is He will shoot it, 1748 01:48:30,319 --> 01:48:32,600 not a problem. You'll get your three your per thirty six three point 1749 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,439 attempts up, that's for sure. Yeah. I think that's a good. 1750 01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:40,640 That's good. On the sixers, do we forget anything with them? No? 1751 01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:47,239 The raptors are extremely interesting. Uh Are they buyers or sellers? That's 1752 01:48:47,279 --> 01:48:53,039 the eternal question, Dan, because how would you categorize the Anonobe trade. 1753 01:48:53,039 --> 01:48:56,159 It's a little bit of both. I guess it was. It was a 1754 01:48:56,159 --> 01:49:00,039 win win trade, and so that you would call it a recalibration. I 1755 01:49:00,079 --> 01:49:05,359 think the only well, it's kind of you could reframe the question of should 1756 01:49:05,399 --> 01:49:10,640 they trade Siakam or not? And that determines whether their buyers are sellers. 1757 01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:15,439 I guess least he's sellers or not sellers. Here's my stance. Yeah, 1758 01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,800 cook on the cook on why they should keep Siakam because I'm very interested in 1759 01:49:19,279 --> 01:49:25,560 the fucking good. That's why you can like that's done. He's an All 1760 01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:29,880 he's two time All NBA player who's been playing very well lately. He was 1761 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,880 kind of. And he's still like shuttled to and fro in the pecking order, 1762 01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:34,960 still finding ways to contribute. I think on the right, like he 1763 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,960 can slide up to the five. He's not going to compromise your defense. 1764 01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:42,520 He can lead the fast break in transition he's learning to or he's learned over 1765 01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,520 the years, like play off the ball if he has better spacing around him, 1766 01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,399 the move for the Raptors. Well, here's my caveat if Yakama is 1767 01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,640 communicating that he doesn't want to be here or he will only stay on a 1768 01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:55,600 five year max, which as of right now, based off the salary cap 1769 01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:59,279 projections, is like five years two hundred and forty seven million, I understand 1770 01:49:59,279 --> 01:50:02,359 the hesitance. If we're quibbling over giving him a four year max at like 1771 01:50:02,399 --> 01:50:06,000 one ninety that takes him through his age thirty three season, Cry me a 1772 01:50:06,039 --> 01:50:11,479 fucking river. Pascal Siakam is an All NBA player. The first two or 1773 01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,520 three years of that deal are going to be fine. Deal with the rest 1774 01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,920 later, especially if you're not getting value from other teams. So unless he 1775 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:23,439 has communicated that he is leaving unhappy there, or that he only wants a 1776 01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:27,479 five year max and it can't even be five years two hundred million where it's 1777 01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,920 below the max and okay, we have him for five years, but it's 1778 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,439 even like four in an option. I mean, like just if so you're 1779 01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:36,920 saying, I guess that's interesting. We haven't had like that reporting yet because 1780 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:41,079 that is that determines like what they should do ultimately is like, if you 1781 01:50:41,079 --> 01:50:43,680 can retain him, this is what you're getting to. I think at a 1782 01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,399 number that's not absurd, then just fucking keep him. Because my whole thing 1783 01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,800 is I don't think a four year max for him is absurd. And the 1784 01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:51,560 report from AMIC was that he's going to be looking for a max wherever he 1785 01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:55,520 goes. Well, one duh. Players want to make the most money possible, 1786 01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,239 go fucking figure. And that's not a shot at Amy. It's just 1787 01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:00,560 a shot of people that think he's not get look the five year max stuff 1788 01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:02,600 I get. Or if he's unhappy, then you move him if you know 1789 01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:05,680 where the actual play is here, and you could it's it's I don't know 1790 01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:10,319 if it'd be selling or if it'd be buying it. Probably Another recalibration is 1791 01:51:10,319 --> 01:51:15,159 we need to get away from Yaka Pearl and we stretch the floor even more 1792 01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:17,600 around him, and we have some more offensive dynamism around him right now, 1793 01:51:18,079 --> 01:51:23,920 Like this can work. And I think that there is redundancies with him and 1794 01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:30,840 Scottie Barnes, but overlap doesn't automatically equal like inability to coexist, and I 1795 01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:32,920 just don't think the Raptors are closer to them co existing now we're kind of 1796 01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:38,520 seeing it nudget further in that direction. Now, who wants Yaka Pearl's contract, 1797 01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,920 That's a whole different story. But like if you just subbed out Yaka 1798 01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,199 Pearl's contract like nas reed or something, I'm not saying trade Yaka Peartl for 1799 01:51:45,279 --> 01:51:47,000 nas read. The Timberwolves don't need another center, Like who doesn't shoot? 1800 01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:51,279 They everybody Gobert so, but like that is I think the Raptors should be 1801 01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:56,159 Maybe it's not buyers, but like they do have Gary Trent Chun your salary, 1802 01:51:56,239 --> 01:52:00,279 and I think it was discord user Rome eighty one eighty said they'd be 1803 01:52:00,279 --> 01:52:01,840 a Mitchell team if he becomes available, and it's like, I don't know 1804 01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:05,119 if they have the pick equity, Like they do have some salaries that could 1805 01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:09,159 make it work, and if you involve a third and fourth team I'm not 1806 01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:14,119 opposed to them. They're not gonna make like the mega consolidation blockbuster trade. 1807 01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:16,319 But if it's to just bring in another floor spacing, big who is Look, 1808 01:52:16,319 --> 01:52:19,760 we all know I love him, Chris Bouchet forever, but like someone's 1809 01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:25,479 gonna be more consistent and not look so clumsy on you know, every other 1810 01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,439 night or every night for weeks at a time and then goes through like a 1811 01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:31,000 mini hot streak. Can we get some more floor spacing in the front court 1812 01:52:31,039 --> 01:52:35,319 to split with Siakam? I'm keeping him, like you you've already telegraphed that 1813 01:52:35,319 --> 01:52:39,720 you want actual players, actually good players. You know who's an actually good 1814 01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:45,039 player, Grant Pascal Siaka right right? And I think something something feels off 1815 01:52:45,039 --> 01:52:46,479 there. It feels like they've treated him poorly. There was the report that 1816 01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:50,720 there wasn't communication between them, So if there really is something sinister going on 1817 01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:56,359 behind the scenes, then yeah, you can't. The disaster scenario is keeping 1818 01:52:56,359 --> 01:53:00,520 Pascal Siakam and not extending him, and so I'm very curious. We've not 1819 01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,359 seen definitive reporting on this. But he can sign an extension with the Raptors 1820 01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,079 like the four year, one night you whatever. It's gonna be if they 1821 01:53:06,119 --> 01:53:11,680 haven't offered that, I'm not gonna say I think that's lunacy, but like 1822 01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:15,760 I would offer that well, And like we haven't really talked about this, 1823 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,560 but like we talk about it all the time with other players, just as 1824 01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:23,920 that preservation offer that to him, because it certainly seems like a lot of 1825 01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:28,000 teams are interested in him and are at least you know, it's not like 1826 01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:30,760 it's not like the Kings backed out of talks because they didn't want to pay 1827 01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,079 Siakam what it was going to cost. They seem to have backed out of 1828 01:53:33,079 --> 01:53:38,039 talks because he wouldn't say I'm gonna stay here. So it's like there aren't 1829 01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:42,199 Murray stuff too, But I'm sure was Herder Barnes and picks, which is 1830 01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:45,880 just like maybe the cost of Pascal Siakam is a lot cheaper than I thought, 1831 01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:49,520 and that's why he want to give up jars or teams overvalue their own 1832 01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:53,680 players all the time. And that's just it's the free agency element too, 1833 01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,279 like you mentioned, That's what I mean. So I think I think if 1834 01:53:56,319 --> 01:53:58,800 you could, yeah, like you said, whatever it is four for one 1835 01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,920 ninety or like one eighty four, whatever, it is, just pay him 1836 01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,800 that and then if if you want to move him, you're gonna be able 1837 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:08,479 to move him for more when he's in the second year of that deal or 1838 01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:12,720 whatever. Then you can right now because there's just more security and he can't. 1839 01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:16,199 You use the thread of not re signing as a way to dissuade teams 1840 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:20,840 from giving up stuff, like you're just team control is an asset like on 1841 01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:26,960 its own. So like I just I was always again, I always skew 1842 01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,039 this way. I'm like, you have to move him because the risk of 1843 01:54:29,039 --> 01:54:31,560 losing him for nothing is like terrifying and I just can't couldn't live with myself 1844 01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:34,960 if I'm the GM and I let that happen, because idiots like me are 1845 01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:39,199 gonna be like this idiot, like, can you believe you just let Van 1846 01:54:39,279 --> 01:54:41,760 Fleet walk? I'll never shut up about it. So if you let that 1847 01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:45,760 happen with Siakam, that's really scary. But like if you don't, I 1848 01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,399 mean, you can still offer him more than other teams, So like if 1849 01:54:47,399 --> 01:54:51,760 he gets a free agency, you have that option, but not Yeah, 1850 01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:56,279 I just I don't know. All that's to say. The longer this goes 1851 01:54:56,319 --> 01:54:59,880 on and the like the thinner, the options get in the worse the returns 1852 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,560 look, the more sense it makes to just like just let him go to 1853 01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,560 free agency and hope you can keep him, I guess unless you can extend 1854 01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:09,119 him now. But it doesn't. It seems like they should have or would 1855 01:55:09,159 --> 01:55:12,600 have if they could. Yeah, So it's like if you offer him the 1856 01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:16,479 extension and he turned it down, that's there. You trade that. That's 1857 01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:20,000 where things get weird with that all being said? Is he the most likely 1858 01:55:20,039 --> 01:55:26,840 player to be traded? So the other guy you think about as a contender 1859 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:30,920 for that is Gary Trent, right, Like that's the expiring Yeah, and 1860 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,640 you'd think, I mean maybe Dennis Shrewder is in that conversation just because you 1861 01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:39,720 know, teams that need a point guard us their deal. We get throw 1862 01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,880 Kyle Anderson's expiring and shake Milton. Does that get you in a second? 1863 01:55:43,319 --> 01:55:45,239 Or pick swap is like a Denis Shruder that'd be interesting. Yeah, So, 1864 01:55:45,359 --> 01:55:48,800 like he's got a market. But I think even though we just belabored 1865 01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:54,079 this topic for several minutes, like I think it's probably still Seakham just because 1866 01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:58,520 you know there's enough smoke to be fire there. And even if he's not 1867 01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,359 fifty percent likely to be traded at this point, Like he's still probably higher 1868 01:56:01,359 --> 01:56:05,119 than like you know, think it's like a Fat Young or an Auto Porter 1869 01:56:05,159 --> 01:56:08,680 junior just because they're expiring. And like also this team, well Fat Young 1870 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,800 is playing right now because of the injuries, as is Johntay Porter. Uh. 1871 01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,800 They also kind of need all of a sudden, like the team that 1872 01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,680 was too like size, feels like they need like wings. We're like, 1873 01:56:17,359 --> 01:56:20,119 well, once they get Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Cominga, they'll just have a 1874 01:56:20,119 --> 01:56:24,319 bunch of extras, so they'll be they'll be back to Project six nine ish 1875 01:56:24,359 --> 01:56:30,520 in no time. Uh that is the final team in the Atlantic Division, 1876 01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:36,640 which means we did Yes, it means we did it, but it also 1877 01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:42,520 means that it's time for uh stat paying guess a player. Addition, I 1878 01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:45,319 have a bunch for you. I think you said you have Do you have 1879 01:56:45,439 --> 01:56:50,520 any for me? I have one for you scale as always, So since 1880 01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,920 we have so few on your end, let's go to uh Be Riches. 1881 01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,640 He's got two for you. So you need to put what do you need 1882 01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:00,039 to do? Got I gotta get inside the mind of a psychopath? So 1883 01:57:00,119 --> 01:57:03,600 I didn't get Kelly Oubrey last time. Until you had to give me a 1884 01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:08,720 clue. I think so technically I was stumped. I think let the record 1885 01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:12,800 reflect. I believe that's where we are. Clue. Number one drafted in 1886 01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,359 the lottery in the late nineties. My top two most similar players are Kevin 1887 01:57:15,439 --> 01:57:19,680 Johnson and Russell Westbrook. Okay, so it's a guard, but those those 1888 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:27,720 player comparisons are I hate them with every fiber of my being. Clearly averaging 1889 01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,520 just under twenty points per game for my career, I made more than five 1890 01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:34,920 All Star teams and was First Team All NBA twice. All right, late 1891 01:57:35,039 --> 01:57:43,479 nineties lottery pick five All Stars to All NBA first team. You said first 1892 01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:49,520 team twice? Wow? Yeah, all right, a bit of a chucker. 1893 01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:54,520 My career true shooting percentage was point five to one nine while taking sixteen 1894 01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,359 plus shots per game. As such, I didn't get out of the first 1895 01:57:57,399 --> 01:58:00,800 round of the playoffs in my first eight tries. Wow, so this guy's 1896 01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:05,840 in the playoffs all the time. Okay, eight tries. Wait, didn't 1897 01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:09,279 get out of the first round. I should get this now. This is 1898 01:58:09,319 --> 01:58:15,199 already bothering me. Eight tries couldn't get out of the first Oh god, 1899 01:58:15,279 --> 01:58:18,800 damn it. Who is this, Okay, give me the next clue. 1900 01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:24,479 Just despite my lack of playoff success, I'm a Hall of Famer and was 1901 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:28,000 ranked fifty fifth in the Athletics Top five seventy five players of all time? 1902 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,359 Is this just McGrady? Yeah, it's Tracy McGrady, Okay, because what 1903 01:58:31,479 --> 01:58:34,800 he had the series where he like said it feels so good to get out 1904 01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:38,279 of the first round or something, and they had not won the series yet 1905 01:58:38,319 --> 01:58:41,079 and then they lost, right. Yeah. The next two clues I think 1906 01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:45,000 you would have gotten was my Adidas's shoe in two thousand and two was absolutely 1907 01:58:45,039 --> 01:58:47,720 sick and write seventh all time by Slam Magazine. Grant you almost certainly owned 1908 01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:53,479 these. We've discussed the virtues of the t MAC shoes for sure. And 1909 01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:58,399 then there's my much more talented cousin is Vince Carter. Not a lot of 1910 01:58:58,399 --> 01:59:01,119 guys you could say have more physical talent and Tracy McGrady, but there might 1911 01:59:01,159 --> 01:59:06,960 be one who's the player comparison Kevin Johnson and who Russell Westbrook? Which is 1912 01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,439 what are we doing? Basketball Reference? Get this off the site. This 1913 01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:15,640 is the worst feature on a wonderful, wonderful resource that I use every day. 1914 01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:19,000 But this has to stop. Are you trying to get that sweet sweet 1915 01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:24,079 brand ambassadorship? And they keep with all that you're a great one, I'm 1916 01:59:24,119 --> 01:59:29,359 doing a public service because that stupid feature is more misleading than helpful at all 1917 01:59:29,399 --> 01:59:34,199 times. So me and rich as another one for you staying in the mind 1918 01:59:34,199 --> 01:59:39,039 of a psychopath. Yes, clue one. I was drafted in the lottery 1919 01:59:39,039 --> 01:59:42,600 in the early two thousands after attending high school in both Wisconsin and Maine. 1920 01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:47,600 Oh Maine. Okay, No, guesses that didn't do it for you. 1921 01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,680 That's weird. Cooper flag, isn't he from me? Was not born? 1922 01:59:55,159 --> 01:59:58,359 Clue too? An immaculate Grid All Star, I played for nine teams during 1923 01:59:58,359 --> 02:00:04,000 my fourteen year career. Oh nine teams in my fourteen years early two thousands 1924 02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:11,479 lottery pick, he said, correct, Wisconsin and Maine. Okay, continue 1925 02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:15,279 in immaculate Oh wait sorry, averaging fourteen points five boards in my career. 1926 02:00:15,319 --> 02:00:17,960 I was a two time All Star in the late two thousands. In both 1927 02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:21,760 my All Star seasons, my team got its ass kicked by Lebron's Calves in 1928 02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:25,600 the first round. To be fair, when we were swept in two thousand 1929 02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:28,560 and six two thousand and seven, I was hurt, which wasn't uncommon for 1930 02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:32,600 me throughout my career. Oh man, so a million teams. Yeah, 1931 02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:39,199 roughly, we're in the East playoffs in the in the six range. Lebron 1932 02:00:39,279 --> 02:00:44,800 keeps beating early two thousands draft pick. All right, I don't think I 1933 02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:47,920 have it yet. Oh that's a damn shame for you, isn't it? 1934 02:00:48,479 --> 02:00:53,199 Should I have it? I won one championship when I was midway through my 1935 02:00:53,239 --> 02:00:56,439 career. Surprise, surprise, I missed that entire playoff run with injuries. 1936 02:00:57,039 --> 02:01:04,760 Oh hmmm, so his team won a title. M hmm, we'll say 1937 02:01:05,239 --> 02:01:11,000 around like late two thousands. I'm just I'm not. I'm not. I'm 1938 02:01:11,039 --> 02:01:14,840 not trying to read your face for information. But he wasn't part of a 1939 02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:17,720 year. But that's just I feel like might be a giveaway. Say again, 1940 02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:20,239 I could tell you the year, but it feels like it might be 1941 02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:23,760 a giveaway. Well, because then I could just guess who won the title 1942 02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:27,279 that year. All right, go ahead, what's the next clue? My 1943 02:01:27,399 --> 02:01:30,760 sick nickname was used as a justification for why I'd make at least the corner 1944 02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:34,760 finals of an NBA wide one on one tournament by multiple roommates in Grant's college 1945 02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:45,239 apartment. It's Koran Butler. Yeah. We had a discussion once of like, 1946 02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:48,039 let's bracket out a one on one tournament of NBA players. I don't 1947 02:01:48,039 --> 02:01:50,560 know what year this would have been, but it was right at the peak 1948 02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:55,600 of like, oh my god, Koran Butler is like the most physically intimidating 1949 02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,479 two way player in the league, and he was like a one seed I 1950 02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:02,039 think in that uh, in that ill advised hypothetical tournament we made up. 1951 02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:08,239 The other thing I'll say is just google Koran Butler and Straws. Okay. 1952 02:02:08,439 --> 02:02:10,479 Oh he eats them, doesn't he? Or he choose on them all the 1953 02:02:10,479 --> 02:02:15,000 time. Yeah, what a weirdo. Yeah, he's the weirdo. All 1954 02:02:15,079 --> 02:02:18,000 right, rubikscal we have three from her. Let me need to catch up 1955 02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:21,880 on we've had the sash clue one. I wasn't highly recruited out of high 1956 02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:27,359 school and I got only one scholarship offer from a Division two college. Did 1957 02:02:27,359 --> 02:02:29,920 we do this one? Oh? You did? It's Duncan Robinson. I 1958 02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,680 apologize, that's right. I don't think I did. Danny Ainge. All 1959 02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:35,880 right, you're damn right we did. Danny Ainge. I got that in 1960 02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:40,359 one. I think you did really well in that one. Okay, so 1961 02:02:40,439 --> 02:02:45,439 there's actually only one from Rubiscal And oh and we got a trivia from I'm 1962 02:02:45,479 --> 02:02:47,920 just scrolling too far up. I thought I was further behind than we were. 1963 02:02:48,359 --> 02:02:51,119 Okay. Clue one. I won my first and only NBA championship as 1964 02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:55,680 the starting point guard of this Eastern Conference team, but most people remember me 1965 02:02:55,720 --> 02:03:00,079 from my first team, which went to the conference finals. That's interesting, 1966 02:03:00,199 --> 02:03:04,359 starting point guard, but most people remember him from a team that didn't make 1967 02:03:04,399 --> 02:03:06,600 it as far. All right, no, that well, that went to 1968 02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:11,840 a conference finals. Yeah, so wait, wanted to read that clue for 1969 02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:15,199 me again? I'm sorry. I won my first and only NBA title as 1970 02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:17,800 the starting point guard of this Eastern Conference team, but most people remember me 1971 02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:21,159 for my first team, which went to the to the conference finals. All 1972 02:03:21,279 --> 02:03:25,159 right, I'm not sure I understand that exactly, but let's do the next 1973 02:03:25,159 --> 02:03:27,880 one. So he won a title with an Eastern Conference team, but he 1974 02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:30,560 was on another team for most of his career that went to a conference finals, 1975 02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:34,960 and that's the team for which he's remembered the most. Okay, clue 1976 02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,279 too. I chose to play college ball at Marshall, but when my coach, 1977 02:03:38,279 --> 02:03:41,520 Billy Donovan, accepted a head coaching job at Florida, I transferred to 1978 02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:45,560 the Gators myself. Among my highlights in my one season at Florida include setting 1979 02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:50,840 the Gators singles game assist record with seventeen and getting suspended for cannabis abuse three 1980 02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:55,199 times. When the NBA announced this new anti drug program in two thousand, 1981 02:03:55,520 --> 02:04:00,079 guess who was the first player suspended for non compliance? The two number two 1982 02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:03,640 is I went to Florida, dished a bunch of assists, and was a 1983 02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:12,159 pothead. Yeah, why don't I have this immediately Eastern Conference point guard from 1984 02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:16,000 Florida. I'm already annoyed at myself that, okay, what's the next one. 1985 02:04:16,840 --> 02:04:19,359 Early in my career, I was very turnover prone, peaking a close 1986 02:04:19,399 --> 02:04:23,439 to three point five turnovers the game in my sophomore year, resulting in my 1987 02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:27,479 being benched at crucial points in tight games, including the fourth quarters of every 1988 02:04:27,479 --> 02:04:31,319 game in the conference finals mentioned earlier. But I significantly curtailed my extravagant playing 1989 02:04:31,319 --> 02:04:41,239 style in my later years. Oh uh no, it's not him. I 1990 02:04:41,279 --> 02:04:44,079 mean, you could guess you haven't cast once. I know, I know, 1991 02:04:44,399 --> 02:04:45,960 well, I just I had I was gonna make a guess, but 1992 02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:49,800 it would have been really stupid because the guy didn't go to Florida. Yeah, 1993 02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:51,960 that would have been a stupid guest. Yes, Why can't I think 1994 02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:59,000 of Florida point guards? All right? What's the next one? Clue? 1995 02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:00,920 Four? I had a decent but inconsistent outside shot, which I loved to 1996 02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:04,079 Nearly fifty percent of my shot attempts were from downtown, but I was more 1997 02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:08,319 interested in making a no look past and shooting my shot. I have one 1998 02:05:08,319 --> 02:05:12,479 point five times as many regular season assists as I do field goals, forty 1999 02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:16,039 six hundred plus assists to about thirty one hundred field goals. I am so 2000 02:05:16,079 --> 02:05:21,680 annoyed right now. They're just like, there can't be that many guys a 2001 02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:28,840 Florida point guard, and when Billy Donovan was there, so that gives us 2002 02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:32,760 the I keep thinking of like the Noah Horford Florida teams and this like, 2003 02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:40,079 this guy just can't be on those teams. I don't think or if he 2004 02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:42,800 is. I just can't think of the guy. And I'm kicking myself. 2005 02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:45,199 It's not Corey Brewer, uh, because he's not a point guard. All 2006 02:05:45,279 --> 02:05:47,000 right? Do you have another clue am, I just gonna miss it. 2007 02:05:47,159 --> 02:05:50,319 You got more, okay, Clue five. I was given my nickname by 2008 02:05:50,359 --> 02:05:56,039 a media relations associate who was so enthralled by my schoolyard slash streetball style that 2009 02:05:56,159 --> 02:06:05,319 was so atypical of someone who looked like me. Mmmm, why, I 2010 02:06:05,399 --> 02:06:09,319 just I can't think of Florida guards I can't do it. Well, then 2011 02:06:09,399 --> 02:06:13,199 stop thinking about that and start thinking about the other clue. Well, I 2012 02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:16,720 feel like that's the way to get there. I don't know, let's move 2013 02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:20,600 on. Best known for was seen only once in the Rookie Game at the 2014 02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:25,880 All Star Weekend, and since yif La Frentz never made a sorry sorry, 2015 02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:29,159 I don't know why I didn't do this way sooner as Jason Williams, Yes, 2016 02:06:29,239 --> 02:06:34,079 I'm white chocolate. Yeah, why didn't I? I the Marshall thing 2017 02:06:34,119 --> 02:06:39,239 triggered the West Virginia stuff, and like he played high school basketball with Randy 2018 02:06:39,239 --> 02:06:42,000 Moss, and Randy Moss went to Marshall. But then I don't, I 2019 02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:47,720 for some reason, like didn't associate him with Florida. I don't know why 2020 02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:51,880 I didn't either. I thought that was actually a tough one. But you 2021 02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:55,079 did get it on the clue that I would have gotten it on. So 2022 02:06:55,119 --> 02:07:00,560 the Eastern Conference team he won a title with was who he no? The 2023 02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:05,880 Heat? And I guess I blocked that out? Well, am I lying? 2024 02:07:06,039 --> 02:07:10,279 I'll walk? I thought it was the Heat? Well, then who's 2025 02:07:10,279 --> 02:07:14,760 that? I just think of him on the Kings and Grizzlies. The Kings 2026 02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:16,159 is what he was remembered for, and they did go to comm Yeah championship 2027 02:07:16,199 --> 02:07:21,279 in two thousand and six with Miami Man. All right, good clue, 2028 02:07:21,319 --> 02:07:24,720 good, good clues. I just got hung up on the Florida thing and 2029 02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:28,000 I wasn't gonna get there for Jason Williams. That's weird. The next one 2030 02:07:28,039 --> 02:07:30,199 that rubyscau has said to be aired on or after January twenty fifth, so 2031 02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:33,239 we have to skip that. Let's do a couple for Mike kernishing before we 2032 02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:38,279 skadadle. I want to get good. I got a Rubik skou guess a 2033 02:07:38,279 --> 02:07:42,199 player for you too. We can't forget that. Let's do Mike has a 2034 02:07:42,199 --> 02:07:45,479 bunch, let's do Let's do two, or if you do them quickly, 2035 02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:46,520 we can do three. Grant I'll like you. Well, we'll see. 2036 02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:50,239 I can't make any promises after this last one. Uh cool one. I 2037 02:07:50,279 --> 02:07:58,079 was drafted straight out of high school in two thousand. What's that guy's name? 2038 02:07:59,039 --> 02:08:03,720 Uh? Wasn't by the Hawks? What is his name? Okay? 2039 02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:05,720 Keep going. Clue two. I broke out in the last year my rookie 2040 02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:09,640 contract, where I ultimately was traded for Gordon Gearchick. Okay, so it's 2041 02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:13,720 not Jamar Johnson. That's the name I was trying to think of. Uh 2042 02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:18,079 out of high school for the Hawks in two thousand, traded for Who'd you 2043 02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:18,760 say? Well, I don't know where he got the Hawks from. It 2044 02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:22,279 says I was drafted out of high school in two thousand. You're just saying 2045 02:08:22,319 --> 02:08:24,880 the Hawks. Why did I say the Hawks? Maybe the sp I apologize. 2046 02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:28,159 I don't remember saying. I don't think so. I think I invented 2047 02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:30,760 that. Okay, drafted a high high school in two thousand, traded for 2048 02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:33,600 Gordon Gearcheck. You said yes. Clu three, that trade didn't work for 2049 02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:37,760 me, as I accomplished very little before signing up at minimum with the Gilbert 2050 02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:41,680 Arenas era Wizards. Is this Deshaun Stevenson? That is correct? Nice job. 2051 02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:48,479 You're eight clues and three unheralded out of high school guy are often forgotten 2052 02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:52,640 Clue four I think was the best one. My most notable accomplishment during this 2053 02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:56,760 time was getting into a feud with Lebron James and having my friend Soldier Boy 2054 02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:58,720 write a disc track about jay Z in a weird feud involving Lebron, jay 2055 02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:03,800 Z and a former Destiny's Child member. That's so funny because I'm working on 2056 02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:09,439 for br ahead of like a Lakers Clippers game coming up, players that have 2057 02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:13,880 had actual rivalries with Lebron, and I'm like, do I do Deshaun Stevenson? 2058 02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:16,000 Is anyone going to remember that? Because that's like, that's pretty getting 2059 02:09:16,039 --> 02:09:18,960 pretty old now. But now that there's been a it seems like fate I 2060 02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:22,279 have to conclude him now. So this one, I don't know if this 2061 02:09:22,319 --> 02:09:26,199 counts as a clue, but this is called the player turned coach portion of 2062 02:09:26,199 --> 02:09:28,640 Who Am I all Right? Clue one. I was drafted in nineteen ninety 2063 02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:33,640 seven to be John Stockton's backup. This is Earl Watson. That is incorrect. 2064 02:09:35,279 --> 02:09:41,560 Howard Isisley that is also incorrect. I played on the Jazz from ninety 2065 02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:43,159 seven to two thousand and one. That was the longest I played for any 2066 02:09:43,199 --> 02:09:52,800 team. And this guy. This guy became a coach is the idea here? 2067 02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:56,479 Yeah. I felt really good about the Earl Watson one and the Howard 2068 02:09:56,479 --> 02:10:00,560 Eisley one, even though I don't think Howard Eisley ever coached right Nick Young 2069 02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:05,800 heat check film one? All right, Jazz was supposed to replace John Stockton. 2070 02:10:07,279 --> 02:10:11,079 Uh played for ninety seven to oh one? Got it? Clue three. 2071 02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:15,119 I sent an NBA record for consecutive miss field goal attempts to open a 2072 02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:18,199 season, missing my first twenty two to start the two thousand and one campaign 2073 02:10:18,199 --> 02:10:22,119 with the Atlanta Hawks. There's the Hawks that you've been dying again. You 2074 02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:26,159 know it was coming. I still shot that year. Hmm, I don't. 2075 02:10:26,479 --> 02:10:31,439 I don't remember stuff like that. I don't misshot thing. Clue four. 2076 02:10:31,479 --> 02:10:33,000 I won my only ring in two thousand and seven behind another Hall of 2077 02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:37,560 Fame point guard, before ultimately retiring in two thousand and nine and joining the 2078 02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:43,720 coaching staff of the team. I once said it ring with Yeah, I've 2079 02:10:43,800 --> 02:10:48,680 just hung up on the Jazz supposed to replace John Stockton thing. I feel 2080 02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:52,359 like I should have it there. I mean it's possible. I don't, 2081 02:10:52,399 --> 02:10:58,199 I don't know for sure, but all right, what's the next clue. 2082 02:10:58,479 --> 02:11:01,000 Clue five, I've learned from one of the great coaches in the history of 2083 02:11:01,039 --> 02:11:03,880 the sport. But forgetting my first job as a head coach with the Magic, 2084 02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:09,600 it didn't go so well. Oh uh is it Jacque Vaughn? Correct? 2085 02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:16,119 Okay, forgot about the utire of Jacques Vaughn. Yeah, the clue 2086 02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:18,640 six was funny. There were seven clues, but I'm laughing at this. 2087 02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:20,720 It took five years and DeAndre Jordan for me to get my next chance as 2088 02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:26,880 head coach. That's a good clue. Let's do one more. She got 2089 02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:31,319 the first one so quickly, and he has a bunch in here. Appreciate 2090 02:11:31,359 --> 02:11:33,560 all of everyone taking the time to do these. If you want to participating 2091 02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:37,520 guests a player, join our discord. Email us hardware Knox at gmail dot 2092 02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:43,000 com. Best ways to do it? Okay, this is still player turn 2093 02:11:43,079 --> 02:11:46,159 coach who won. I was drafted as a defensive stalwart out of Clemson in 2094 02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:52,640 nineteen ninety eight by the Dallas Mavericks. Hmmm, all right, Clue two. 2095 02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:56,079 I made the playoffs six of my first years in the league, only 2096 02:11:56,119 --> 02:11:58,359 being a starter for two of those years, where I played on the wing 2097 02:11:58,399 --> 02:12:05,239 with Carmelo Anthony. Oh, on the wing with Carmelo Anthony. So I'm 2098 02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:11,600 what did he get a year for when he's playing with Carmelo? H. 2099 02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:15,399 No, he did not give me a year, all right. I was 2100 02:12:15,479 --> 02:12:26,000 part of the Oj Mayo for Kevin Love draft day trade. Okay, sorry, 2101 02:12:26,039 --> 02:12:28,079 go back to what's the I need to like reorient what year we're in 2102 02:12:28,359 --> 02:12:31,640 or whatever. So what's the first clue. I was drafted as a defensive 2103 02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:35,479 stalwart out of Cleinston in nineteen ninety eight by the MAVs ninety eight. And 2104 02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:41,399 so you said in eight he's playing with Carmelo or you didn't give made the 2105 02:12:41,439 --> 02:12:43,800 playoffs in six of his first seven seasons, And so you're looking ninety eight 2106 02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:48,800 through two thousand and four, eight and only being a starter for two of 2107 02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:50,119 those years where I played on the wing with Mellow. So it had to 2108 02:12:50,119 --> 02:12:52,920 be too Mellow was drafted in two thousand and three. Yeah, so it 2109 02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:58,359 had to be those those first two years, those Denver teams. Man, 2110 02:12:58,399 --> 02:13:01,600 that should do it, right there, guy on the wing with Denver. 2111 02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:03,520 I didn't know it when I saw it. If it's any consolation, you 2112 02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:07,720 didn't know it. No, I never would have gotten this one. Oh, 2113 02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:13,039 okay, on the wing in early Denver. I'm ninety eight out of 2114 02:13:13,039 --> 02:13:16,159 Clemson Clemson? Okay, sorry, what's the next clue? My first coaching 2115 02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:22,439 gig came under the tutelage of Kevin McHale. So we're in Why were we 2116 02:13:22,479 --> 02:13:28,760 in Minnesota or Houston? Uh? Okay, what's the next one? After 2117 02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:31,840 McHale was fired, I became attached to the hip of his then replacement, 2118 02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:37,560 as I have never coached somewhere he hasn't Ooh well, I still don't know 2119 02:13:37,600 --> 02:13:45,560 which where Kevin McHale is here. I still don't have it. How many 2120 02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:48,520 more clues do I have? Only one? Shit? Okay, let's hear 2121 02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:52,800 it. I got my promotion to being an associate head coach slash top assistant 2122 02:13:54,279 --> 02:13:58,000 last year. So two and twenty two or twenty twenty three, I'm assuming 2123 02:13:58,039 --> 02:14:01,399 where I let a surprisingly good defense. In fact, it was the top 2124 02:14:01,439 --> 02:14:05,560 defense in the league. Okay, So who this? God? This is 2125 02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:09,439 embarrassing. I gotta think who had the best? So Cleveland? Okay? 2126 02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:16,960 So bicker Staff replaces McHale in Houston, and this guy is on bicker Staff's 2127 02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:22,800 staff. I'm guessing because Cleveland was number one last year. I think you 2128 02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:26,960 are correct. Actually, you know what, I shouldn't say that because I 2129 02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:30,439 only look at the cleaning the glass stats, and I do too. I 2130 02:14:30,439 --> 02:14:33,800 think it's still Cleveland though it is. So it's Cleveland, and I didn't 2131 02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:37,119 look at the Ambida, but it's Cleveland per garbage time with filtering out garbage 2132 02:14:37,159 --> 02:14:43,039 time. Oh Man. So a guy that played with Carmelo on the Nuggets 2133 02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:50,560 early drafted by Dallas. God, I don't know if and he's a big 2134 02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:58,600 he's a quote unquote bicker Staff guy. So I'll add a clue here the 2135 02:14:58,640 --> 02:15:03,800 only that I can. All Right, his last name begins with with B, 2136 02:15:05,279 --> 02:15:09,840 just like with B. I that's not gonna get me Ei. There 2137 02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:16,359 there's a there's too many names would be do you concede? I think I 2138 02:15:16,439 --> 02:15:22,760 have to concede because I would just Greg Buckner the Dallas thing. Yeah I 2139 02:15:24,199 --> 02:15:28,039 did. I did not remember him with Carmelo and Denver or being associated with 2140 02:15:28,039 --> 02:15:33,560 picker Staff, but I do remember Greg Buckner playing for Dallas. I think 2141 02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:35,600 that was a good one. Yeah, that was That was right in Mike 2142 02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:41,000 Age's wheelhouse too, because he's a he's a coaching cicco oh Man. So 2143 02:15:41,039 --> 02:15:41,840 he's got more, but we'll leave him. Do you want to give me 2144 02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:46,359 Rubik scals before we ye? This is? This is so far out of 2145 02:15:46,439 --> 02:15:50,760 frame? Are your bag? I'm leaning, I'm leaning down. Do you 2146 02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:52,560 need me or you're you're gonna cut these up? Right? No, I'm 2147 02:15:52,600 --> 02:16:00,039 just laughing because you're like beaking out. I'm reclining, all right. So 2148 02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:03,800 I have not I have not vetted this at all. I'm learning. I'm 2149 02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:05,119 learning of this as you are. Except they did scroll to the bottom, 2150 02:16:05,159 --> 02:16:09,439 so I know who the player is doing this without knowing the answer, it 2151 02:16:09,439 --> 02:16:13,039 would be great. Yeah, I'll just play it along with you. Guess 2152 02:16:13,039 --> 02:16:18,760 the player. It's trade time number one. The defining characteristic of my NBA 2153 02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:22,199 career was established months before I was even drafted, when the pick that turned 2154 02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:26,960 out to be me was traded by the Bucks along with Ray Allen and others 2155 02:16:26,159 --> 02:16:33,319 to the Seattle SuperSonics for Gary Payton and Desmond Mason. It was traded to 2156 02:16:33,399 --> 02:16:39,639 the SuperSonics, yes, with Ray Allen in the deal that brought Peyton and 2157 02:16:39,680 --> 02:16:46,360 Desmond Mason to a team that is uh by the Bucks. So to the 2158 02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:48,879 Bucks. So Ray Allen went to the Bucks or the Bucks traded Ray Allen 2159 02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:52,760 to the Sonics. Was traded by the Bucks with Ray Allen to the Sonics. 2160 02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:56,600 So this is the trade that gets Allen to the Sonics from the Lewis 2161 02:16:58,120 --> 02:17:03,600 No? Yeah? Uh? Number two? Five years later, I was 2162 02:17:03,639 --> 02:17:07,319 part of a three team trade that undid part of the trade and clue one, 2163 02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:11,760 sending Desmond Basin back from the Bucks to OKC and me back from OKAC 2164 02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:16,840 to Milwaukee. Oh man, I should know that, one, shouldn't. 2165 02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:20,079 I. There's gonna be a couple more just scrolling ahead that Like you, 2166 02:17:20,239 --> 02:17:24,280 you are good at remembering stuff like that is in this clue, So this 2167 02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:28,600 is a good guess a player for you. I still don't. I still 2168 02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:35,760 don't have anything. He was traded from OKAC to Milwaukee correct after initially being 2169 02:17:35,799 --> 02:17:41,000 traded from from Milwaukee to the Sonics. No, that doesn't line up with 2170 02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,440 Sean kemps. Did he ever play for the Bucks either? That's a bad 2171 02:17:43,559 --> 02:17:46,440 yes, go ahead, all right? Number three. I signed as a 2172 02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:50,280 free agent with the Tea Wolves in twenty ten, but the trade talks were 2173 02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:52,360 never too far, and in twenty thirteen, I was part of a three 2174 02:17:52,399 --> 02:18:00,159 team trade that sent me to you guessed it Milwaukee again. Michael Red is 2175 02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:05,760 it? No, it's not Michael Redd. What year? And you So 2176 02:18:05,959 --> 02:18:09,559 this trade we're discussing right now that sends this guy back to Milwaukee for the 2177 02:18:09,639 --> 02:18:16,280 third time. I guess was in twenty thirteen. All Right, you going 2178 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:20,680 number four? The honeymoon period didn't even last the year and I was traded 2179 02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:24,639 again at the trade at the deadline to Charlotte, which was the Bobcats at 2180 02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:28,559 the time. That's probably not gonna help you too much. All right, 2181 02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:31,239 we're getting to where we're getting to where you're gonna get it. I think, 2182 02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:35,200 maybe not this one, but definitely the next one. Uh. In 2183 02:18:35,239 --> 02:18:37,239 the summer of twenty fourteen, I signed with The Magic, for whom I 2184 02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:43,719 featured in forty seven games. Oh, I was it. That's it. 2185 02:18:43,360 --> 02:18:48,040 The next clue is I think when you'll get it? And there's a nice 2186 02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:50,200 turn of phrase here because we just talked about the Magic and Rubik scal says, 2187 02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:54,000 but the real magic happened in June of twenty fifteen. Are you ready? 2188 02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:58,239 I remember being asked about this trade on the radio and not being sure 2189 02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:01,760 what the answer was. The question was where is this guy right now? 2190 02:19:01,799 --> 02:19:05,120 Like what team is he on? Because he got okay, so, uh, 2191 02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:09,799 take a deep breath here here. Grant Magic traded me to the Grizzlies 2192 02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:13,559 for the draft rights to Yannis Tima on June twenty fourth. The next day, 2193 02:19:13,719 --> 02:19:16,319 the Grizzlies traded me to the Hornets for Matt Barnes. Charlotte traded me 2194 02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:20,520 to OKAC for Jeremy Lamb later that day. Things settled for a week until 2195 02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:24,479 the Thunder traded me to the Raptors for the Right Hour. That's correct, 2196 02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:28,959 Yeah, that's right, man. I didn't really how far he dated back. 2197 02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:35,319 Yeah, he's super tonic. I was like, oh, I know 2198 02:19:35,479 --> 02:19:37,639 that was That was the clue I knew you would get because it was recent 2199 02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:43,479 enough and we were both like like in it at the time with br and 2200 02:19:43,239 --> 02:19:46,159 the last one, uh number seven. My nickname is frod O G. 2201 02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:54,680 I wonder why so like, yes, it is Lucrad Hour. I remember 2202 02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:58,079 being on the radio like right at the deadline or right after it. I 2203 02:19:58,120 --> 02:20:01,200 don't know why. I said, yeah, to do a radio hit at 2204 02:20:01,239 --> 02:20:03,079 the time, and the guy asked me, like very baldy of someone to 2205 02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:05,920 ask you to do a radio hit right after the deadline. I don't know, 2206 02:20:07,079 --> 02:20:07,959 I don't know. Why again. I don't know why I said yes, 2207 02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:11,520 because it's like your head is spinning back then, especially when we were 2208 02:20:11,559 --> 02:20:15,959 just like firing off, you know, ten things in a day. But 2209 02:20:16,159 --> 02:20:18,719 like he said, so like jokingly, like so where's Luke ridden? How 2210 02:20:18,719 --> 02:20:26,959 are now? And I was like, huh yeah, right, like we 2211 02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:28,920 quickly moved on. But you know, do you ever have that happen to 2212 02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:33,000 you? It doesn't happen that often where you're just like not sure. So 2213 02:20:33,159 --> 02:20:35,280 every year, they actually haven't asked me to do it this year, but 2214 02:20:35,319 --> 02:20:37,319 I'm assuming I'll do it. I do live trade grades for Bleach Report, 2215 02:20:37,959 --> 02:20:43,959 the fucking like pick protection details or the equity like they just announced these trades. 2216 02:20:45,159 --> 02:20:48,159 Oh you don't going to be Nicks without any assets, and so you 2217 02:20:48,200 --> 02:20:50,959 have to keep track of all this other information while their trades are going down. 2218 02:20:50,360 --> 02:20:56,040 I'm always paranoid that I'm forgetting major details and when there's like multiplayer trades 2219 02:20:56,120 --> 02:20:58,520 or if players are rerouted. So it happens to me every single year, 2220 02:20:58,559 --> 02:21:01,440 is basically my point. If someone's asking you a question live on air and 2221 02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:05,440 you're like, oh, boy, wouldn't I like to know? Do you 2222 02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:07,000 still get the text for the d MS every year where it's just like, 2223 02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:09,840 hey, just figured i'd ask you think you could come on at like three 2224 02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:13,559 h five and wrap up the trade deadline? Come on in like seven minutes. 2225 02:21:15,239 --> 02:21:18,719 No, yeah, yeah, obviously people don't know your schedule most of 2226 02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:20,879 the time, but like on a day like that, it's like no, 2227 02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:24,840 like you're you're still you still do more radio than I do. I started 2228 02:21:24,920 --> 02:21:30,799 just saying no too often, and I say yes to request that I can. 2229 02:21:30,840 --> 02:21:33,239 I've gotten better at saying like I was asked to go on a friend 2230 02:21:33,239 --> 02:21:35,879 of the podcast pod this upcoming weekend, but it just wasn't gonna work my 2231 02:21:35,879 --> 02:21:37,879 schedule, so I actually said, hey, I'll go on another time, 2232 02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:41,680 but I can't do it. I have gotten worse at like sometimes my work 2233 02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:45,760 phone will get messages from producers and I'll just forget to answer. I'm so 2234 02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:46,879 busy at the time. You think there's one pending from two days ago, 2235 02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:50,200 so I feel like, shit, it's just you get so busy. It's 2236 02:21:50,239 --> 02:21:54,799 not personal, believe Buried the lead, like, well, yeah, the 2237 02:21:54,840 --> 02:21:58,479 work phone is like as soon as the NFL playoffs start, like that's when 2238 02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:01,280 everything ticks up and like people start to or Christmas start to care about the 2239 02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:03,879 NBA, So I get all these requests, so I appreciate everyone who's nice, 2240 02:22:05,159 --> 02:22:07,000 and we'll give you like a hey, how are you? Rather than 2241 02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,920 if you haven't talked to me in a year and you're just like, can 2242 02:22:09,959 --> 02:22:13,159 I get you on it X? Sometimes I'll be like, I'll still do 2243 02:22:13,239 --> 02:22:18,040 it. But it's like, okay, cool. So I got a lot, 2244 02:22:18,079 --> 02:22:20,000 I got some work phone questions, but I do want to I don't 2245 02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:22,879 want to neglect this because Rubik Scale as she as often happens, has provided 2246 02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:26,000 other random facts about Lukerid and now that I haven't read, and I'm gonna 2247 02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:31,040 read them now because I would like to learn with you. Uh, other 2248 02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:33,559 random facts. Lukerid now was a McDonald's All American all right. He also 2249 02:22:33,639 --> 02:22:37,120 led the charge to the leit eight while setting a University of Oregon season record 2250 02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:41,120 for assists two hundred and eighteen. He was a starting point This will get 2251 02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,440 us our years and show how far back he goes. He was the starting 2252 02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:48,000 point guard for the four to five Sonics who lost the eventual champs San Antonio 2253 02:22:48,040 --> 02:22:52,319 and the conference semis oh four oh five. How about that? That's wild 2254 02:22:52,399 --> 02:22:56,040 stuff all in all, not a bad career for someone known for one week 2255 02:22:56,040 --> 02:22:58,719 of his final offseason. Yeah, that's for sure. That is the thing 2256 02:22:58,719 --> 02:23:01,799 you remember about Luke grid now was like he was traded four times in a 2257 02:23:01,879 --> 02:23:05,440 day. Basically, let's see, oh the work phone thing, because we 2258 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:09,120 got nowhere to be right, we don't need to go to sleep or record 2259 02:23:09,159 --> 02:23:11,719 more pods? Do you take your work phone with you all the time or 2260 02:23:11,719 --> 02:23:16,040 do you leave it at home? If you're I've gotten better, like like 2261 02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:18,920 family events or like I'm trying to be more pre because I'm just like I 2262 02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:20,079 don't I say this all the time, and I know so I want to 2263 02:23:20,079 --> 02:23:24,799 give myself. I suck at giving myself credit or accepting compliments. I know, 2264 02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:30,040 even one of your best qualities your humility. So try to deflect that 2265 02:23:30,079 --> 02:23:33,680 compliment right now I'm about to be not humble, So there you go go. 2266 02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:37,079 I do know I work hard. I constantly feel like I'm not good 2267 02:23:37,159 --> 02:23:39,559 enough or I don't do enough. I'm probably trying to do too much. 2268 02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:43,239 But like, as I've gotten a little bit older and I've seen people like 2269 02:23:43,479 --> 02:23:46,360 you or just some other friends where it's like you're able to be in the 2270 02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:50,200 business that I am in, and you guys also have actual families, and 2271 02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:52,520 I'm just a shitty husband not being able to manage work. So I try 2272 02:23:52,559 --> 02:23:56,559 to be more present as stuff like that. But like when I got married, 2273 02:23:56,040 --> 02:24:01,200 I was dealing like I dealt with Jimmy Butler fallout fact. Not one 2274 02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:05,159 of our bosses, not not b K like actually reached out to me the 2275 02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:09,120 day of my engagement party to write about like and that I'd taken off one 2276 02:24:09,159 --> 02:24:11,760 I almost I almost like answered and said like, yeah I could, and 2277 02:24:11,799 --> 02:24:15,920 my my fiance, my wife now with my fiance, looked at me like 2278 02:24:15,959 --> 02:24:18,079 I will fucking she I was gonna say, you're married, so you obviously 2279 02:24:18,079 --> 02:24:22,479 said no. And she's like one of the most understanding people when it comes 2280 02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:26,079 to work. So I've gotten better at that. But like there's still if 2281 02:24:26,079 --> 02:24:30,680 I try to go on vacation, I'm gonna try go away after the trade 2282 02:24:30,680 --> 02:24:33,280 deadline to like catch a breather, just because not taking any time off mid 2283 02:24:33,319 --> 02:24:37,040 season when you do what we do is just a recipe for burnout. It's 2284 02:24:37,079 --> 02:24:39,680 just so last year and then I didn't take off any time like in the 2285 02:24:39,719 --> 02:24:43,799 off season. I did some traveling, but it wasn't like I was trying 2286 02:24:43,799 --> 02:24:46,559 to fit in all these visits to friends. So I'm just burnt out. 2287 02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:48,159 So I gotten better at leaving my work one but like I'll take it with 2288 02:24:48,200 --> 02:24:50,840 me, and like I have two phones at the gym, and it's just 2289 02:24:50,879 --> 02:24:54,479 it was a way to I thought it was going to create a separation, 2290 02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:56,559 but now it's like, well I have everything forwarded to each phone. Yeah, 2291 02:24:56,719 --> 02:25:03,840 why I'm I don't want to lie talk to people, whether they're producers, 2292 02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:07,520 podcasters or like some I don't have like super sources, but like people 2293 02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:11,479 who work for teams. I just wanted something separate for that. And also 2294 02:25:11,079 --> 02:25:16,239 I guess because I've allowed myself to be more accessible than you, Like I 2295 02:25:16,319 --> 02:25:18,360 get a lot of radio and podcast requests. Oh yeah, well when you're 2296 02:25:18,399 --> 02:25:22,479 more online than I am, just generally like I I don't I should I 2297 02:25:22,479 --> 02:25:26,200 I'm not. We're already it's the end of the I think I was gonna 2298 02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:30,200 say, should I admit I don't have Twitter on my phone? Like just 2299 02:25:30,280 --> 02:25:33,159 I just don't like and I don't have any I don't have TikTok, I 2300 02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:35,680 don't have any social media on my phone that I don't have phones. I 2301 02:25:35,719 --> 02:25:39,840 just have the one. I get it though, Like it's probably healthier to 2302 02:25:39,879 --> 02:25:43,079 do it that way. Like, and if I wasn't doing this podcast the 2303 02:25:43,079 --> 02:25:48,040 same Sometimes the podcast is the least profitable thing that I do in my life, 2304 02:25:48,360 --> 02:25:52,200 and it is probably the thing that consumes me the most when you factor 2305 02:25:52,239 --> 02:25:54,959 in, just like the editing and that team by team series. Yeah, 2306 02:25:56,079 --> 02:26:00,200 anybody who wants to know what the pre record discussions are, like, you're 2307 02:26:00,200 --> 02:26:03,920 hearing a lot of it right now. It's just talking. It's Grant by 2308 02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:05,680 trying to figure out work life balance, and I think Grant is a lot 2309 02:26:05,719 --> 02:26:09,680 better at it, and Grant for anyone. So when you're not on the 2310 02:26:09,719 --> 02:26:13,360 pod and I get questions asked about myself, you invariably come up where it's 2311 02:26:13,360 --> 02:26:15,639 like, well, who's your favorite whatever, And I'll always shout out you. 2312 02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:18,000 That was very nice. I did listen to what you said about it. 2313 02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:22,440 I really appreciate that. So, but like you've helped me, stuff, 2314 02:26:22,559 --> 02:26:26,639 criticism bounces off me more from social media since I've started podcasting with you, 2315 02:26:26,680 --> 02:26:30,280 because ever since you handled the j dub stuff. Whereas like I put 2316 02:26:30,319 --> 02:26:33,680 out that clipsuse, I thought you had a like an interesting take that went 2317 02:26:33,799 --> 02:26:37,040 viral. What did I say you should have been like you should we should 2318 02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:39,399 think about him as Rookie of the Year or something like that. You picked 2319 02:26:39,479 --> 02:26:45,040 him for Rookie of the Year. Yeah, so and it people shiit on 2320 02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:46,719 you, and I felt so bad and you you didn't even know what was 2321 02:26:46,719 --> 02:26:50,120 happening, and so it was just like you found out You're like whatever, 2322 02:26:50,200 --> 02:26:54,239 dude, like they're strangers, and so like that was a flashboll moment for 2323 02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:58,000 me where it's I still probably get impacted because when we put and it's probably 2324 02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:01,840 the same way though I recognize this when we criticizing players for being bad. 2325 02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:05,120 Most of these players aren't lazy, and so it's like they're putting in all 2326 02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:07,399 this time and effort to perfect their craft. So I do get sensitive when 2327 02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:11,239 people, even when they're innocuous. But like someone emailed us to compliment the 2328 02:27:11,239 --> 02:27:15,159 show, but it was like, your intro music sucks? Can my band 2329 02:27:15,680 --> 02:27:18,440 do it for you? Well, the answer maybe maybe it could have had 2330 02:27:18,479 --> 02:27:22,159 you not come in so hot with negativity. And also the music and the 2331 02:27:22,200 --> 02:27:26,520 intro is objectively great, and so that's a wrong opinion. So this happened 2332 02:27:26,520 --> 02:27:33,200 again recently for me. The and we'll get out of here eventually. Uh 2333 02:27:33,319 --> 02:27:35,879 So, like, yeah, I forgot. I straight up forgot about the 2334 02:27:35,360 --> 02:27:39,719 Jada stuff. By the way, I like Palo is great, but like 2335 02:27:39,879 --> 02:27:43,479 Jada has been pretty solid. That's not a ridiculous take. I'm gonna cut 2336 02:27:43,479 --> 02:27:46,000 this out. I'm not doubling down, but I but I do every so 2337 02:27:46,159 --> 02:27:52,799 often, like I'll still catch heat for an article I did that said demonas 2338 02:27:52,799 --> 02:27:56,399 Sabonis, we have ranking the most overrated players in the league. This is 2339 02:27:56,479 --> 02:27:58,799 like last year at some point, which is still like that's a setup for 2340 02:27:58,840 --> 02:28:01,799 failure because whoever's at number one, the fan base is going to be incensed, 2341 02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:05,360 and like being overrated is like what does that even mean? Anyway, 2342 02:28:05,639 --> 02:28:11,040 I still get shit about some bonus ranking first there. I contend that like, 2343 02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:13,559 yeah, anyone who's first there, that's too bad. But like re 2344 02:28:13,879 --> 02:28:18,600 read the slide I wrote, like there's nothing show me the lie in anything 2345 02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:22,360 I wrote. Still, but some of that still gets through on social media. 2346 02:28:22,399 --> 02:28:24,399 And I had the thought yesterday someone must have come up with this already, 2347 02:28:24,760 --> 02:28:28,079 but it was just like, because I'm starting to feel bad about it, 2348 02:28:28,120 --> 02:28:28,879 I was like, ash, shit, I don't like to hear like 2349 02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:33,559 just like personal attacks for like an opinion or like things like it's so stupid. 2350 02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:39,879 But it's like if a drunk asshole is yelling at you on the street, 2351 02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:45,280 like you're not obligated to listen or care. And that's basically what Twitter 2352 02:28:45,399 --> 02:28:48,920 is is drunk assholes yelling at you on the street, Like that's that is 2353 02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:52,559 really it's strangers that you'll never see, Like that's really what it is. 2354 02:28:52,600 --> 02:28:54,399 So like that's you just can't care. You can't care. Sometimes when you 2355 02:28:54,479 --> 02:28:56,920 kill them with kindness, they'll be like nicer to you back, Like I 2356 02:28:56,959 --> 02:29:03,600 got dragged nix Muse or whatever called that was a funny tweet saying for tampering 2357 02:29:03,639 --> 02:29:07,479 with Jalen Brunson, the Knicks as like recompense will stay on their treadmill of 2358 02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:11,760 mediocrity for eternity. So they quote tweeted it, Well, the Knicks were 2359 02:29:11,799 --> 02:29:13,799 like blown out. One of the teams with ow Jannonobi I retweeted it. 2360 02:29:15,079 --> 02:29:16,360 I was like yeah, and some people were being mean, so I quote 2361 02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:18,799 tweeted them and I was like, yeah, I was wrong. I was 2362 02:29:18,840 --> 02:29:22,000 really wrong. But like one of the people said, up, they'd be 2363 02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:24,079 like, you know, I was like, let's not pretend they were like 2364 02:29:24,120 --> 02:29:26,200 everyone knew that the Knicks were gonna be great. Last year, I was 2365 02:29:26,239 --> 02:29:30,520 like, let's not pretend that people weren't wanting Tom Thibodau to be fired through 2366 02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:35,079 like December, so like let's not rewrite like how rocky they they were. 2367 02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:37,280 But like I can accept being wrong. I've gotten better at that as I've 2368 02:29:37,319 --> 02:29:41,600 gotten older. I think a lot of people just get and I understand it. 2369 02:29:41,639 --> 02:29:43,040 I'm sensitive sometimes when I'm wrong. If there's a hill, I'm gonna 2370 02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:46,319 die on. We had some people in discord were saying that I disagreed, 2371 02:29:46,319 --> 02:29:48,879 and I probably still disagree on the level of defense he's played this year, 2372 02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:52,000 But yeah, Cejim McCall has been really good defensively in part because the Pelican 2373 02:29:52,079 --> 02:29:58,559 Capelkins have done a great job of insulating him. So like I can recognize 2374 02:29:58,559 --> 02:30:01,799 I'm wrong about that, I can recognize about other takes. But people are 2375 02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:05,040 just so aggressive and mean because sports, just like I guess it desensitized me. 2376 02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:09,040 Like I'm still attached to my sports team a little bit, like i 2377 02:30:09,079 --> 02:30:11,600 can never picture And when I was younger, I definitely I said something to 2378 02:30:11,639 --> 02:30:15,479 Steph on Marbury once that was just so out of pocket and disgusting, and 2379 02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:18,840 I regret it. It wasn't racist or anything, in case anybody cares about 2380 02:30:18,879 --> 02:30:22,639 that. It was just my assumption just knowing I mean, light of the 2381 02:30:22,719 --> 02:30:24,559 vasilene stuff that he was doing, and it's just like, look back on 2382 02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:28,799 that, it just wasn't cool. But like when I see I'll look at 2383 02:30:28,840 --> 02:30:31,319 profile pictures sometimes and it's like you see, like some of these people are 2384 02:30:31,360 --> 02:30:33,319 like teachers or principles and it's like, Okay, well you're not young, 2385 02:30:33,399 --> 02:30:35,959 and what are we doing here? Like I get that stuff's annoying, but 2386 02:30:37,719 --> 02:30:43,040 in large part because of you, like it's inspired me or it's enabled me 2387 02:30:43,079 --> 02:30:45,760 to just move past it. Oh like a little bit, I'm still definitely 2388 02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:48,600 more attached with than you are. Well, like that's great to hear. 2389 02:30:48,680 --> 02:30:52,440 I'm glad. I'm glad. I I I that's that's great. I Like 2390 02:30:52,559 --> 02:30:56,440 for me though, it's just like I have to detach from it because it 2391 02:30:56,479 --> 02:31:00,879 does bother me so much. So if I like let it, if I 2392 02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:03,760 like wait around in it for too long, it'll just like ruin my day. 2393 02:31:03,159 --> 02:31:07,040 And like that's ridiculous like that, like no one should weird how that 2394 02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:11,000 works. And it's even some of the stuff that's self inflicted that if people 2395 02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:13,280 are still listening and really want peak pine this podcast. I'm putting up like 2396 02:31:13,319 --> 02:31:16,280 five to six shorts a week, and some of them are really short, 2397 02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:20,479 but like these things can take me hours to make. Yeah, and I 2398 02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:22,639 almost didn't put one up today and it got so late I ended up putting 2399 02:31:22,680 --> 02:31:26,360 up at nine pm. But I was assuming so guilty that I didn't make 2400 02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:28,399 time to make this short that doesn't make us money. It might get us 2401 02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:31,639 some subscribers. I don't even know if they're going to listen to any of 2402 02:31:31,639 --> 02:31:35,200 our longer form content though, And like I'm just doing in guilt for so 2403 02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:39,959 long. So instead of doing something that I'm on a deadline for and like 2404 02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:43,360 getting ahead of the game, I did that And like that's just how twisted 2405 02:31:43,639 --> 02:31:46,959 my mind works. And I do think it's definitely I think everyone has this 2406 02:31:46,959 --> 02:31:52,959 aeeumbin degree, but there's definitely something about this industry that foments you're never doing 2407 02:31:52,079 --> 02:31:56,319 enough, and I think it might be true across every industry. But like 2408 02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:58,760 the work life balance is always going to be terrible because this is entertainment to 2409 02:31:58,799 --> 02:32:01,920 some people. So she's like even if I miss like I'm not responding to 2410 02:32:01,959 --> 02:32:05,959 every discord message, like if I take days to answer a DM because I 2411 02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:07,559 didn't see it, or like I'm not up to date on we have all 2412 02:32:07,559 --> 02:32:11,760 these rooms for different teams. If I'm not reading everything, I feel guilty 2413 02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:16,120 like I'm not doing enough. And that's the downside of me being less engaged 2414 02:32:16,159 --> 02:32:18,079 than you ares like. I feel bad that, like, oh man, 2415 02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:20,440 look at all these if piled up. I don't feel like I'm engaging with 2416 02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:22,239 all these cool people that are, like, you know, a big reason 2417 02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:26,879 that the podcast is doing what it's doing, But I just didn't fresh down 2418 02:32:26,959 --> 02:32:31,159 the bandwidth for it. I love all of the code. Well, I've 2419 02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:35,239 had some very good co hosts on this podcast and some fantastic guests, and 2420 02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:41,319 you, though have cared or put in the level of at least like feigning 2421 02:32:41,360 --> 02:32:43,840 to care more so than anyone, which makes it I always recognize, like 2422 02:32:43,879 --> 02:32:46,920 I never you've all talked about like, well, I should learn to edit 2423 02:32:46,920 --> 02:32:48,559 this stuff. I'm like, I'm not going to ask you to do that 2424 02:32:48,799 --> 02:32:52,760 because I'm the psycho that's deciding that we need to have three parts like this 2425 02:32:52,840 --> 02:32:56,040 week. You know what I felt guilty about. I did one podcast solo, 2426 02:32:56,319 --> 02:32:58,040 then I did like an emergency short one on a Ja Morant injury. 2427 02:32:58,239 --> 02:33:01,680 This one could have been a third, but I was like, on three 2428 02:33:01,719 --> 02:33:03,159 hours of sleep today, I was like, no, you know what, 2429 02:33:03,200 --> 02:33:05,760 that John Moran one doesn't really count. I got to get a third episode 2430 02:33:05,799 --> 02:33:09,239 up there, so they sat down prepped all the news stuff. So, 2431 02:33:09,559 --> 02:33:13,799 but you have been the person who's like most invested in it, which I 2432 02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:16,479 very much appreciated. So I mean, it's just gonna be a back padding 2433 02:33:16,559 --> 02:33:20,319 fest. I think at the end of these podcasts from around now and listen 2434 02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:22,559 when we announced that we're shuttering hard. All right, guys, this is 2435 02:33:22,559 --> 02:33:28,399 the last episode record in like five minutes. That'll go up later. Uh 2436 02:33:28,399 --> 02:33:31,600 No, I appreciate your work ethic. It's insane. You should be better 2437 02:33:31,639 --> 02:33:33,760 at moderating it. But it as a benefit to me because I get to 2438 02:33:33,799 --> 02:33:37,399 be on this podcast and you do all the social media work, and I 2439 02:33:37,399 --> 02:33:41,440 appreciate that. Oh now I'm gonna cry. He's out of here before I 2440 02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:45,920 cry. Everybody, thank you for listening to us, especially that last section. 2441 02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:48,959 We don't know what you're going to timestamp that we normally record for like 2442 02:33:48,959 --> 02:33:52,159 four hours together, but they're broken up two hours, thirty three minutes and 2443 02:33:52,159 --> 02:33:56,600 thirty eight seconds in counting so far without ads. This is definitely the longest 2444 02:33:56,600 --> 02:34:00,559 podcast you and I have ever recorded, and very quickly I used to what 2445 02:34:00,600 --> 02:34:03,639 I would do the team by team look ahead's combine them all so like there 2446 02:34:03,639 --> 02:34:05,479 were one time I tried to put up like a five hour podcast and it 2447 02:34:05,559 --> 02:34:09,559 broke people's podcast players by trying to include four teams at once. So I 2448 02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:13,120 hope this doesn't people like, we can't listen to this. It's five hours 2449 02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:18,280 long. How do we do two and a half hours on fifteen teams? 2450 02:34:18,319 --> 02:34:22,680 What's wrong with these guys? If you listen to all this, good job, 2451 02:34:22,760 --> 02:34:24,920 and I'm you had to have done it on two x so go like, 2452 02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:28,920 calm down because that'll always mess with your brain. Rate review, subscribe, 2453 02:34:30,479 --> 02:34:35,079 follow us on our socials, join our discord, buy our merch YouTube 2454 02:34:35,079 --> 02:34:37,639 and podcast description has the links for all that stuff. Tell your friends. 2455 02:34:37,760 --> 02:34:41,440 Word of mouth is very helpful. Dan always does a very good job. 2456 02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:45,319 Further compliments of laying all this out of the beginning. I'm sure you're not 2457 02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:48,159 listening still, but you know, if this wasn't a sufficient explanation of what 2458 02:34:48,239 --> 02:34:50,719 to do, just listen to the first like two minutes of the pod all 2459 02:34:50,760 --> 02:34:54,000 the time because you get the same information there. We close, as always 2460 02:34:54,159 --> 02:34:56,760 with a shout out to the one and only Frank Melakina, an apology to 2461 02:34:56,840 --> 02:35:05,200 Jared now Scotts, and particle by small a