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Creativity and a learning mindset are essential
to succeed. Learn how these innovators put

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these skills to use to become the
best in their fields. Welcome to Innovators

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to Know. Brought to you by
Idemics. In the first phase of her

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professional life, doctor Cindy Say served
as a primary care physician and medical director.

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In this more recent phase, she's
a writer and a coach, helping

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impact individuals by enabling them to take
control of their own health and wellness.

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Her book So Much Better offers a
practical toolkit for reflection and change. Her

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own healing journey informs her own empathy
and advice to her clients, as well

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as her knowledge of a wide range
of therapeutic modalities to further holistic wellness.

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Cindy, I'm delighted to welcome you
to the show. Thank you so much

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for having me. I'm really excited
for the conversation. So, Cindy,

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I covered a few topic areas what
did I not tell our audience that you'd

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like to share with them? So? I like to see myself as a

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healer and someone who is here to
bring love and light and to help others

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see that in themselves. I love
that that's wonderful. We're definitely going to

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come back to that concept. I
want to take a quick look at this

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short video where you talked about it
being a good thing to feel uncomfortable,

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and I definitely agree. Discomfort makes
us push ourselves and learn new skills in

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my view, So let's take a
quick look. I just coach a client

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today about how the comfort zone can
be very misleading because we may end up

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doing things or putting up with things
to be comfortable, but it may not

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be for our highest good or for
our growth. And as an example,

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this client has been dealing with challenging
relationships in her life and it's been causing

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a lot of stress and anxiety and
worry, and it's been really weighing on

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her and it's taking up a lot
of energy and also time in her day.

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And through coaching, I taught her
a lot of tools, techniques,

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and perspectives so that she can move
past it and advocate for herself. And

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if you are a modern superwoman who's
been feeling unsettled or stressed and overwhelmed even

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though things look good on the surface
because you've checked all the boxes, I

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want you to book a free breakthrough
call with me, because we're going to

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talk about what's really going on,
and you're going to gain insights you've never

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realized. And if it feels aligned, I can share my thoughts and resources

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to support you to get to the
other side with ease, because you deserve

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to enjoy the life you worked so
hard for and to feel so much better

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city. So, what do you
think are a couple of great ways for

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people to actively push themselves outside of
their comfort zone? We all fall into

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these patterns of our daily lives,
and how do we make a sustained effort

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to actually push ourselves out of that
zone? So I think it takes intention

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and it's also a practice. And
I think you're totally right that we as

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humans default to the comfort zone right
from a physiological perspective where our brains are

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wired for survival, and so we're
always looking for things experiences that keeps us

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safe, and what that means is
things that are familiar, right because we

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know, we know what to expect, and so oftentimes we get essentially almost

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complacent in a sense right when we're
in that place of comfort. So it

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does take active intention and effort to
continually evolve, to grow and expand and

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also I think recognizing that it is
uncomfortable. Right, change and growth is

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uncomfortable, but it's also on the
other side, it can also bring you

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so much more and really enrich your
life in so many more ways. That

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that's why you do the work right, so that you can experience the whole

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spectrum of life. Yeah, totally
agree. I think it's fascinating because we

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in our coaching business encounter so many
people who agree with the need to change,

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to push themselves outside of their comfort
zone, and then struggle with the

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how One of the pieces of advice
that we always have for people is pushing

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yourself outside of your comfort zone.
Doesn't have to be in your workplace or

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in your role as a wife or
parent or sister. It could be something

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as simple as push yourself to take
up a new hobby or try something different.

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Right, that's not kind of so
fundamentally threatening and challenging, but is

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almost a sort of enjoyable environment to
try something new And tell us a little

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bit about that in terms of how
you help your clients put this into practice.

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Yeah, I think that's a really
good point of that. I always

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say that everyone is different, so
that things you need are different and a

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lot of times I think we have
a tendency to look external, to look

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at what's going on in the world. You know, there's so much comparison,

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and we think it has to look
a certain way or be a certain

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way in order for us to be
successful or whatever it is, right,

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And I think when you are talking
about growth and change, whether it's professional

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or personal, it's a process and
everyone can do it at their own pace.

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Yeah, And it's really about giving
yourself permission to do it your way,

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right, Like what are the shoulds
that you have to let go of?

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You know, I think there are
people who are like, oh,

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I can't do that. I've never
done that before. And it's like,

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okay, well, but the question
is do you want to do it right?

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Right? And really tapping into that
and also breaking it to smaller digestible

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pieces. Right. It's like if
you want to run a marathon, you

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don't just go out and run a
marathon. You know about a train,

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right, you don't. You don't
go for like never running to like running

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twenty six smiles, but you don't. It's it's not really ideal. Right.

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So so it's and especially as we
talk about how we have to learn

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to be uncomfortable. Everyone has a
different threshold, yeah, And so it's

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recognizing who you are, right,
recognizing what works for you, and building

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up to that. And I think
a common misconception is people think that,

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Okay, if I break it down, if it's really simple, it's not

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going to work, or you know, it's going to be too slow,

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or like right, we work with
all the high achievers who wanted things done

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like yesterday, so um, it's
but it's actually on the contrary, right.

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I think we see this all the
time, where it's like sometimes you

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have to slow down to speed up. Yeah, And it's about being in

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full alignment with who you are right, knowing what you need, and having

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that clarity so that you know exactly
where you want to go and then you

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can be very intentional about the steps, the how and all of that,

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as opposed to you know, getting
stuck in the first part of like you

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know, just wanting it all done
and then it's too overwhelming for your system

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and then you don't get anywhere.
Now, that's very well said, and

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I think it's a perfect segue into
this idea of connecting to our intuition as

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you said, everyone is different,
and we each of us knows ourselves best.

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No one else can tell us that. Even in coaching in the end,

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as a coach, you play an
interpretive role as sort of a guide

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and a shirt buy in a way
to help individuals map themselves better and understand

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themselves better. I want to take
a quick look at this video where you

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talked about how hard it is to
trust our gut. Let's take a quick

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look, and I spoke on the
topic of giving yourself permission to trust your

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gut. And it's really important to
know that you have all the answers within

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you really do. But a lot
of times when we're really stressed out,

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when we're overwhelmed, we can't access
We're in a state of survival and fight

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or flight, so we can't access
our inner wisdom and our true knowing.

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So I led the group in an
exercise to connect to your intuition, and

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it was super well received. People
were asking for the recording, and so

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I was able to create a short
recording that I wanted to offer to you

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as a free gift in case you
are feeling stuck on something. If you

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notice yourself saying I don't know I'm
not sure. I'm confused. Please try

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this exercise out. Okay, It's
less than five minutes, and I provide

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a simple practice and technique for you
to connect your intuition, using your body's

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intelligence and wisdom and using that to
guide you so that you can make the

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best decision for you. All right, So try it out, let me

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know how it goes, and if
you're really feeling stuck, please come talk

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to me. You don't have to
be stuck if you don't want to,

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Okay, Cindia, As you said, it is hard to trust our gut

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and stop second guessing ourselves in a
decision making process. What are the steps

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that you recommend to your clients so
they can start to listen to themselves,

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start to learn to listen to themselves
more. Yeah, I think it starts

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with very simple things, right.
So, I think intuition is a really

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great skill and tool that helps us
in our every day whether it's professional business

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decisions are also personal life you know, whatever, to decisions you're trying to

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make, and when you haven't necessarily
honed or developed the skill, Yeah,

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it feels very confusing to to like, it's like, what do you mean

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intuition like I don't know, you
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I don't even know what that means
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comes from I always like to break
things down and make it very simple,

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and it starts with the little things, you know, start with things like

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the decisions that are very low stakes. For example, instead of maybe you

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have to make a decision about okay, do I let this team member go?

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I mean that can be really really
stressful and this this decision that could

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impact a lot of people, your
team and all the things. And so

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instead of going there right, let's
start with something like Okay, what do

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I want to eat today? What
do I want to be for lunch?

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And just like in tune into your
body to be like, okay, well,

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take a few breaths and see ask
yourself, like what do I feel

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like eating today? And then you
know, it could be the salad,

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it could be whatever, you know, whatever it is, and then go

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with the answer that you feel most
connected to and then actually do it right,

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follow through and then see how you
feel after right, Because there are

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certain things, I mean, I'm
sure you know for me, I know

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that there are certain foods that just
don't agree with me, right, I

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can't eat really having you like whatever
oily creamy things and and so I know,

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but then sometimes you're like, well
you really want to eat it?

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Yeah, so's it's just about really
tuning in and as you continue to build

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that practice of listening to yourself,
Yeah, that's how you build trust in

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yourself, and that's what strengthens your
intuition. Because think about it like a

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it's almost like a friend who's always
been there, Yeah, but you haven't

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been in conversation, so you haven't
been nurturing and building that friendship. And

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then it's almost like all of a
sudden you're like calling them up and be

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like, hey, tell me this. I mean they're like confused, right,

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They're like what do you want?
Like you never talk to me and

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now you want me to help you. Right. So it's about really rebuilding

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that relationship and connection. So I
really hope people can see it like that

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and know that you know this intuition, this skill and ability, your gut,

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like the answers are there, it's
within, right, but it's learning

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to cultivate that relationship again and rebuilding
that trust. Totally agree. I think

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so much of this ties into this
idea, and I think it is especially

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as women, we struggle with this. I know I have in at phases

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how to prioritize ourselves right when there's
so many different demands on our time,

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it's often a struggle to make an
active decision to I am going to carve

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out some time to think about myself, to go exercise for myself, whatever

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it is you decide to do in
terms of how you interpret that, but

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you had this to say in terms
of how people can start prioritizing themselves.

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Let's take a quick look. I
let a workshop on how to prioritize you

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and redefine self care to thrive in
work and life, and I shared golden

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nuggets from my Signature Connected program and
how it all starts with C for clarity,

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because we have to know where we
want to go in order to get

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there. Same thing as when we
go into our car putting the address in

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the GPS and then the GPS can
guide us. Right, It's the same

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thing. And I wanted to offer
you the questions that I share earlier so

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that you can start this process too. So number one, what does taking

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care of myself look like? Number
two? What is preventing me from prioritizing

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myself. And number three, what
does it mean to thrive in work and

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life? So I want you to
pause, save this, take some time

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to reflect and think about this and
really see what do I really need right

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now? And if you're ready,
if you want the tools and techniques to

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get you where you want to go, come talk to me about coaching.

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I'm excited to offer my signature Connected
program in a group coaching experience starting in

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January. Applications are being reviewed on
a rolling basis, and I really want

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you to apply, especially if you're
ready to move from a place of constant

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stress and overwhelm to a place of
calm and being unstoppable. So, Cindy,

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what are the acts of self care
that you recommend? So people start

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to do this on a systematic basis, so it's not a question that they're

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asking themselves once a month, but
it becomes, as you said, almost

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part of their daily kind of mindfulness
practice of what is the time you carve

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out for yourself during a day?
Yeah, I think the first thing to

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know is that, yes, we
have limited time in our days, but

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you actually get to choose how you
spend your time. Yeah, and knowing

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that a lot of self care practices
don't take law. You know, there's

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all kinds of self care you can
do, and I think a lot of

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times we have this idea that self
care needs to look a certain way.

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It's like those pampering moments. You
go to the spa, you know,

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you go on a retreat, you
you know, take this lavish vacation,

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and absolutely those are great, but
it's also the things you can do in

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the little moments throughout your day.
Yeah, a lot of the things,

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especially with mindfulness, it's about connecting
to the present moment. It's connecting to

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your body. It's taking that simple
cleansing breath, you know, it's ground

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and feeling your toes on the ground, and these are the things that help

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you reset and recharge. And so
I think it's really important to recognize that

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you are absolutely worthy and deserving of
of taking care of being taken care of,

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you know, and that it's only
when you are well that you can

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really be the best you can be. Right. We think about think about

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when I know, for me,
when I am so hungry, like if

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I haven't been able to eat on
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I'm hungry and I get angry,
right, and it's like I'm not in

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a good mood. You and me
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so that's an example of when I
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and I let myself go way past
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even though I could be like Okay, yeah, you know, let

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me do this talk, this presentation, but from you know, at the

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core, I'm not necessarily in as
good a place as I could be had

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I been you know, had I
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or you know, whatever it is, and that all adds up,

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right, And so I really encourage
people to recognize that, hey, it

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does matter. Right, people can
tell when you're not in a good place,

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even though you know you might look
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something there. It's like, because
you're not able to be fully you and

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bringing that best version of you.
And I think that you know, it's

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it's doing a disservice to others and
also yourself right, because you can and

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you do have so much to offer, and it's so important to make sure

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you do take care of yourself along
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ship gears a little bit, Cindy. For all of us in our lives,

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in the various ways that we've evolved, coaching and mentorship have played a

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really key role. Whether that's happened
through more informal channels or through more formal

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ones. Tell us a little bit
about the role it's played in your life.

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It's been so transformative. I can't
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I love coaching work with so many
different coaches have in the past continued to

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and I think that it's we do
have the air within, but a lot

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of times there's so much noise right
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to do. And I think coaching
offers that support that very practical and tangible

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way of really moving past and making
really moving forward. You know, a

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lot of times when we're stuck,
it can feel it's like muddy or like

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you know this like thickness. It
feels unsettling and you know, just not

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a good place to be. But
I think coaching for me has been really

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helpful because I can sort through all
of this. I have the support,

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the wisdom and guidance right, and
also the accountability to canta critical peace,

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right, and you know, having
the discipline and all that to to continue

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to evolve and grow. And I
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to is recognizing that when I always
I heard this a long time ago,

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and I really liked it that when
the student is ready, the teacher will

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appear. And I think that is
so true in terms of the coaching and

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mentors I've had where you know,
depending on where I was where I am,

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there are different things that are going
to be most helpful and supportive to

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me, right, And so recognizing
that there as different people with different skills

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that can support you and guide you, and that we all go through phases,

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right, and that there are there's
so many tools and resources out there

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that can be supportive. And I
think a big part is actually being open

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to it and giving yourself permission to
know that. I actually see it as

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a huge investment in yourself, right. It's knowing that you are deserving and

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worthy of this level of attention and
care, right so that you can continue

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to grow and become better and show
up better and share that with all the

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others in your life as well.
You've been to that journey for yourself,

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tell us a little bit about what
made you want to write so much Better?

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So So Much Better is a best
selling self help book that's based in

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mindfulness, and I share my various
tools and techniques. I created the Inspiring

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success Story method, which is comprised
of three key pillars of calm, confidence,

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and curiosity. And I saw this. I wrote this book because I

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kept seeing the same things come up
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my speaking, just talking to different
people, and I saw that these things

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coming up again and again, and
so I wanted to provide a very simple

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resource for people to start this process
there on their own right, to learn

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about some of the science behind stress, you know, getting past you know,

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the fear, working through your comfort
zone, things like that, and

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having tangible tools and techniques to really
shift your life so that you can become

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that inspiring success st or you're meant
to be. Love that and I'm very

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much looking forward to eating it.
Before we wrap up, Cindy, tell

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us, so, what message do
you have for so many women out there

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who are sort of who feel stuck, you know, whether it's in their

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own heads, whether it's by their
circumstances. They feel stuck in some way,

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how would you advise them to start
to focus on taking care of themselves.

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Yeah, And I see this a
lot because I focus on helping the

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these successful women right who are actually
hiding their suffering behind the scenes. And

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we live in this world where we
strive, we're expected to have things all

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figured out, this perfect life and
everything in order, when in reality everything's

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a mess. Yeah, you know, life is messy. Yeah, and

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nobody wants to admit it. And
I think along the way, we picked

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up these messages, these beliefs about
how we should act and behave in a

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certain way, that there's a right
way and a wrong way to do things.

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You know, we have to check
off the boxes, taking care of

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everything and everyone else. And essentially
all of these messages that we receive really

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I think feed into this this mistaken
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that that we're not accepted as we
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first thing is to stop this nonsense, right, that we have to let

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go of what's not working for us. And so it first comes to the

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first step is really awareness, Right, we have to recognize where we are

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what's not working, because we can't
change what we don't know yeah, right,

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And so I think a big part
of it is taking those those moments,

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whether it's two minutes or three hours, but just creating some space in

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your life so that you can be
with just you, Yeah, you know,

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having that space to be in silence, to allow the messages, the

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feelings to come up, to be
like, hey, well, who am

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I really like? What did I
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you know, check off all the
boxes? But you know all of that?

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Or is it because I have some
gifts that I really enjoy and I

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really am meant to share, you
know. I think we talked about this

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earlier about how um UM in terms
of UM the educational system. A lot

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of times, you know, we
have UM we're so focused on performance,

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on what success looks like that UM
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it can be very limiting and UM. You know, we're we're selling ourselves

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short. And a lot of the
clients I work with, they're they'll tell

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me they're like, oh, I
would really like to start my own business

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doing you know, arts and crafts
or this and that, and I'm like

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that's amazing, and you know,
and to really cultivate that and they're like,

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oh, but I don't think I
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this is a buch safer job.
I went to school for this, and

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you know, all things right,
like all of these beliefs that we've been

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fed and held on addition to have
exactly And it's about really pausing to question

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and to really ask yourself, like
things like you know, if you knew

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you couldn't fail, what would you
do differently? Yeah, Like if you

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had special gifts, which we all
do, We're all here for a reason.

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Like if you had gifts only you
could share, what would you do?

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And like if there are people out
there waiting for you to shine your

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light, how would you show up? No, and really connecting to that

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essence of people right that's within and
knowing that you know it's it's you get

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to do it your way and to
really enjoy the process as it unfolds.

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So that's great advice and I love
the way you put it. You know,

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if you were guaranteed not to fail, how would you show up?

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And how would you share your own
unique light? Because that is the thing

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each of us has to bring into
this world and give it to others,

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and that is ultimately the path to
feeling fulfilled and happy and well, it

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really is. And I think especially
working with high achieving women and us having

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our own experiences and journeys ourselves and
working through so much of it right,

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it's it's breaking through, letting go
of a lot of conditioning totally. And

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also I think for me growing up
in Taiwan, having a lot of the

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traditional Chinese cultural values and you know
that part of my upbringing. And it's

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also recognizing that it's not either or
it's not like you know, having a

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business, not practicing as a physician, that's a failure that you know,

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it's it's I actually am honoring my
family, me and all the right and

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so it's I think really helping people
see that they do have choice and options

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and that it's never too late.
It's positive evolution. Yeah, wonderful.

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