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Welcome to Missing Persons case files.
A place where they're gone, Are not

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the forgotten? What's happening in the
forest of North America? How are so

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many people disappearing only to have the
remains found much later, or in many

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cases not at all. Are the
predators to blame, giant hair covered beasts

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or even more terrifying us as humans? Maybe it's both, Maybe it's neither.

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These are just a few of the
questions we'll look to uncover here on

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the missing person's case files. Alfred
Edwin Bellhearts born nineteen thirty four disappeared July

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third, nineteen thirty eight. On
July third, nineteen thirty eight, the

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Bellhartz family took advance of the Independence
Day weekend to go camping in Colorado's Rocky

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Mountain National Park. Their four year
old son, Alfred Edwin Belharts, was

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to vanish that day, and to
this day, no sign of the young

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boy has turned up. There were
several strange reports of Alfred, including on

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a top of a rocky inaccessible outcrop
called Devil's Nest near Mount Chapin, six

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miles from where he vanished. He
was also reported in the company of a

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mysterious man on a road in the
area. The family and their father,

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William Harvey, who included ten children, lived at thirty two twenty five Quebec

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Street in Denver, Colorado. The
Belleharts family and some friends set up camp

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roughly a quarter mile west of the
Fall River Lodge. It was located just

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south of the west exit of the
current Long Lake Trailhead parking lot. The

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camping party was near where the Roaring
and far Rivers met, just below Horseshoe

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Falls. The family woke bright and
early that morning. William Bellhartz, Alfred's

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father, decided to walk to the
nearby stream to worsh up, and Alfred

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came along. Oron Bronson and Walter
Hansen, friends of the Belhartz family,

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had also set out to freshen up
roughly five hundred feet upstream from Alfred and

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William. William and Alfred finished their
wash before Oron, Walter and William returned

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to camp. Alfred walked upstream to
follow Orn and Walter once they were finished.

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Once Orren and Walter returned to camp, the group notices Alfred is not

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with them. He had gone missing
between when William returned to camp and When

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Orn and Walter returned just over a
mile from the trailhead, the campers began

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searching for Alfred immediately. Over a
dozen individuals were at the campsite, and

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they were convinced that they would find
him quickly. He couldn't have gotten far

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in such a short amount of time, plus it would be difficult for Alfred

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to not hear over a dozen people
shouting his name and follow their voices back

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to safety. But after scouring the
area and not finding Alfred, the family

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became very anxious about Alfred's whereabouts.
When they had no luck, they decided

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to call the Park Service for assistance. The Bellehartz family contacted Ranger Moomah at

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the Fall River Ranger Station. Ranger
Moomah immediately involved the CCC, the Civilian

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Conservation Corps, which was a work
relief program created as part of Roosevelt's New

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Deal to help the search effort.
Within forty five minutes, over one hundred

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CCC members had arrived to begin searching. On Monday, July fourth, Independence

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Day, CCC and other volunteers were
still coming the area for any sign of

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Alfred, and bloodhounds from the Colorado
State Prison were brought into the park to

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help aid the search, but they
were unable to find alfred scent. The

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rangers were operating under the assumption that
Alfred may have fallen into the nearby Roaring

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River and drowned, so they decided
to dam and divert the river. On

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July fifth, the search party built
a dam with sandbags, rocks, and

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logs, and used grappling hooks and
pikes to search the riverbed. Nothing was

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found in the diverted river bed despite
their efforts, so they erected a wire

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net near the Fall River to catch
any evidence. When this returned no results,

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they gave up searching the river.
His parents told the rangers that they

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were sure that he must have been
abducted. They knew their son wouldn't just

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leave his family and were skeptical that
he had just fallen into the water.

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By Wednesday, July sixth, the
search of the river had ended, leaving

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searchers frustrated and confused. They continued
to search the land, and by Thursday,

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two hundred searchers told news reporters that
they were convinced he had never drowned

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and had either gotten lost in the
forest or was kidnapped. The searchers were

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convinced that if the boy had fallen
into the Roaring River, his body could

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not have passed all five of the
beaver dams and reached the Fall River.

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Even if it had, they said, it could not have passed a wire

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net set up near the water by
workers for the Public Service Company of Colorado.

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Rangers called in some sniffer dogs from
the nearby Colorado State Penitentiary. A

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human scent was then detected, but
the hounds stopped near the river. Another

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set of dogs hit on a scent
some way higher in the elevation from the

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camp, but led nowhere. The
search was eventually called off after ten days.

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That is crazy, crazy stuff.
What do you think this one of

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all of the ones that we've covered
that I've looked in into so far,

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it seemed like every time I start
when I say this is one of the

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craziest ones, But this one,
I'm going to say the same thing.

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I mean, it's I don't know
what to make of this. I mean,

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you didn't hit on a lot of
the other weird stuff that we have

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seen about this case. I don't
know what to make of it. Man.

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What has baffled me the most probably
is the reaction of the bloodhounds,

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the dogs that they brought in to
track the scent. Did you hear about

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that? Did you read about that? I did. They brought in this

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one team of bloodhounds. It led
them like five hundred feet five hundred yard

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is something like that up this ridge
that they could barely make it up,

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and the searchers and the dogs could
barely make it up. No way a

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four year old boy could make it. It went up this ridge and then

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the bloodhounds got to this spot and
just laid down like, Okay, we're

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done. This is as far as
it goes. Our job here is over.

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So they're thinking, oh, this
is crazy. First of all,

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the boy couldn't have come up here, and now they just stopped. So

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there's something wrong with these dogs.
Let's bring in another team. They bring

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in another team of bloodhounds. They
hit on the same damn trail, follow

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it up the exact same way,
and lay their asses down in the same

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spot that the others did. So
this is two completely different bloodhound teams of

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bloodhounds that followed this cent trail to
the exact same spot and then just stopped.

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How do you explain that you can't
explain it. You can't explain it.

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One thing too, is the day
that he went messing, there were

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a couple who were hiking on that
trail, the same trail where the dog's

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head on, and they heard a
little boy make a shrill noise, and

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so they went to look over the
ledge and they seen him sitting there,

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and he either got up and left
or something pulled him backwards. And then,

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I mean, you got to think
this is nineteen thirty eight. So

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they go back to their car.
They hear on the radio then the case

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of this missing boy. They can't
pull out their phone and search it up

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on the internet, so they go
home. They see his picture. So

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then again, not being able to
just pick up a phone call, they

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have to go all the way back
out to the place he went missing and

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talked to a ranger there. But
yes, it's five hundred feet on and

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I have a four year old grandson, and I know one hundred percent out

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of one hundred he would not be
able to climb five hundred feet not only

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once, but twice and be six
miles away from when he went missing.

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Yeah, you see, tip,
I heard that same thing, but in

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a different way. And this is
a good example of how the telephone game

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works, how the same story gets
told by different people throughout the years,

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and that it changes. Because the
version that I heard was everything that you

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just said, but it was either
twenty four hours later or just a couple

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hours later, and like six or
seven miles away, like you said that,

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this gentleman heard this kid scream,
looked up another five hundred and something

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feet in this place called what was
it called Devil's Nest? Okay, looked

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up this area of this place called
Devil's Nest, and he sees this little

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boy looking down at him, and
the boy looks scared, and then all

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of a sudden, he sees the
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That's the version that I heard.
So we have to think, if it

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was a couple hours after he reportedly
went missing, how the hell did he

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get six miles away exactly by himself? He didn't. Someone took him there,

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Yeah, someone took him there.
And there's the family that the dad

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and Alfred are washing up by the
stream. And then, however, many

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feet away are the family friends who
were washing up by the stream. And

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then you know, like I had
said, he got lost somewhere in there.

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But there's also a rendition of Okay, he made it back from the

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stream, and the family goes out, you know, on a hike.

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Well, ten children, two parents, that's twelve people. There should have

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been a mom at the front and
dad at the back, vice versa,

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but they're both at the head of
this line. Alfred's at the very back.

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He is the youngest, if I'm
not mistaken, of the ten,

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and he's at the very back.
And then they notice he's not there.

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Yeah. Yeah, And I've heard
reports that he had fallen behind a little

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bit, and then other reports were
it was just the mom, the dad

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and Alfred, and Alfred was so
close to her, walking behind her,

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so close that she could feel him, and then all of a sudden she

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turns around and he's not there.
So which one is it? Yeah,

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exactly, I mean either way it
goes regardless of what rendition of this,

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you know account you look at he
was there one minute and gone next.

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Yeah, and this was nineteen thirty
eight. Twelve people in this family,

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ten kids. As you said,
a lot of times, when you hear

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stuff like this, you think poverty
and neglect, because if you're already poor.

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How can you take care of ten
miles to feed? But from everything

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I heard that that wasn't the case
with this family. This was a good

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family. All the children were loved
and taken care of, and they were

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on vacation. You know, it's
hard to take a family of four or

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five on vacation, imagine taking twelve, right, you know, that wasn't

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the case with this one. It
wasn't a case of neglect in any way.

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They were good parents from everything I
heard. Yeah, I don't know.

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There's so many things that had to
have had I mean, something happened

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to this boy. I don't know, it's like the perfect storm, something

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came along. I don't think it
was a person. I don't know.

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Do you have any theories, Tiffany, Yes, yes I do, because

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no, I don't think it was
a person either, because regardless if Alfred

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went missing after washing up of a
stream or he was at the back of

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the line while they were hiking,
a person is going to make noise,

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the child is going to make noise. So there's no way that a person

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could walk up on this little boy
or this family group. However, you

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want to look at whichever rendition and
just snatch him and be gone, And

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that would be pretty fallsy. That
would be pretty fassy on a person's part

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to just walk up. And I
mean, because you got the dad and

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then the two older men who were
a family member or friends of the family,

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I mean, you're gonna get beat
down if you try to taste it,

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you know. So I don't think
it was a person at all.

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And there were reports later, right, like, there were sightings in different

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parts of the country, and some
other stuff happened. You want to touch

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on that. Yeah. On July
eighth, the FBI announced that it was

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performing forensic tests that they found on
a piece of soiled bandage that had been

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found in an abandoned cabin in the
same part. When that was brought to

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the parents' attention, the mom said, yeah, you know, Alfred had

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a blister on his foot and so
she had wrapped it in similar bandages.

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So, but then the same day, Miss c A Lynch, who lived

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in Big Spring, Nebraska, allegedly
saw Alfred and a mysterious man walking along

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a highway together in Nebraska, Nebraska, six hours from Colorado. That to

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me is baffling and it really does
bring up questions. And she was questioned.

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She's like, no, I am
adamant, this is the little boy

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that I saw on the paper.
But I know, I don't know how

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much stock I put in that though. Yeah, I don't either, because

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you're looking at just a few days
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I don't think the boy ever left
the part. I don't think he

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did either. I don't think he
did either. I don't think that he

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was. I think she saw someone
who maybe have looked similar to this boy.

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I don't think it was him at
all. Yeah, I just if

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it were a family member that had
seen out for it every day of his

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life and was very familiar with him, maybe you could put more stock in

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that. But just a regular person. Kids look similar, you know,

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Yeah, when when you're that little, all kids kind of look alike.

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Right, No, I completely agree. The cabin. The cabin, you

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know, brought up some questions in
my mind. Okay, I mean we're

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already we're already there. We're not
going to dance around the topic. I

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honestly think he was snatched by Bigfoot
in my opinion, but you do hear

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cases. Now, this cabin was
abandoned and some people will say, well,

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you know, with a homeless person, snatched him up, took them

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to this cabin, his bandage fell
off. But you also hear reports of

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Bigfoot taking you know, encampment and
abandoned cabins before. Yeah, be it

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from getting out of the weather or
what have you. Yeah, I mean,

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I'm glad you brought it up.
And I wouldn't the first one to

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do it, but that's the way
I'm leaning. I'll I'll take the ship

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if people want to give it.
I'm not one of these people with Bigfoot

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on the brain. It takes a
lot for me to get there. And

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from what we have in this case, I just I don't see many other

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I don't know. I don't want
to say that, because there are plenty

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of things that could have happened.
We've shown that before. Free freak things

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happen, Freak accidents happened. But
the boy being scared up on this rig

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in places that he couldn't have got
to on his own, that an average

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man would have had a hard time
doing in such a quick in such a

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short amount of time, him being
able to get there, seeing the little

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boy jerked back violently after screaming from
this left from a place that he should

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not have been able to get to. It screams something like a sasquatch.

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Having this kid definitely something paranormal.
And to go as far as he did

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in the short amount of time that
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I mean six miles is nothing.
And then I mean a human would

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have taken him. He would have
then had to have, you know,

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carried him for six miles and then
carried him up five hundred feet and then

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another five hundred A human being is
not going to be able to do that

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in this area. No, I
wouldn't think so. I would not think

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so at all. I didn't do
much looking into that Devil's Nest area.

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Did you look at it at all? Tiffany, Well, the only thing

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I really found, you know,
was was the distance and the elevation,

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and you know, you put two
and two together and you're like, well,

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how or even why would he have
the wherewithal to just go up there

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alone. Yeah, that's pretty that's
pretty far up there for a four year

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old. And I also did research
there was one hundred and twenty six sightings

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in Colorado in that area for Bigfoot. Really, yes, so it lends

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credence to that even being more of
a possibility than before. Wow. Yeah,

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I mean people are gonna hear that, and some of them are gonna

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roll their eyes, like, oh
my God, of course they're going with

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Bigfoot. You know, I don't
go with Bigfoot all the time. I

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do everything I can to not make
that, you know my opinion what I

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think happened. But in this case, I just it seems like the perfect

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opportunity. Everything you hear screams some
kind of being that is capable of doing

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it, And from everything we hear
about Bigfoot, he is certainly capable of

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doing what we're talking about and going
through the area of the terrain that that

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had to have been covered. It
just screams Bigfoot to me. But let's

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let's switch switch gears a little bit. What about the ransom. About the

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ransom I did? I did in
November twenty ninth, there was or November

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twenty seventh, excuse me. He
had been missing for five months at that

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time, and his father was sent
a ransom note saying, we went west.

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We're out of money. This boy's
not taking to us. We were

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returning our son within twenty four hours. If you leave us five hundred dollars

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in a can a block away from
your house nineteen thirty eight. You're dealing

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with the Great Depression. Five hundred
dollars at that time is roughly around ten

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thousand to eleven thousand dollars in twenty
twenty twenty through twenty twenty four. So

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that's a big chunk of money.
But the ransom, they never investigated that,

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They never looked into it. They
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and it was pretty much dead in
the water before it started. Ten thousand

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dollars today is a lot of money. It is, but it's doable.

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I guess. My question is you
have to exhaust every measure when it comes

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to a child. You have to
try everything. It would not have been

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that difficult to gather up this money. Even if you go out to the

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community and you know, ask for
help. You could have raised that money.

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I think put it in this coffee
can ten and set it where the

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person says, and just have the
police sit on it and watch. Right.

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You know, why didn't you at
least try that. I don't understand

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that for a second. If this
was my child, I would do everything

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in my power. I don't know
why the family didn't push to do anything

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about that. Did you see anything? No? No, I mean he

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received that note the twenty seventh,
and then it said by the twenty ninth

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they were just saying, no,
this is a hoax. You know.

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They investigated two possible suspects that the
sus effects were not named. They were

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never charged. Like I said,
it was just pretty much dead in the

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water. But it's just like when
the couple saw him the same day he

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went missing. Now there are time
gaps, so it doesn't tell us exactly

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when the times were that he was
seen, as you know, compared to

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Wayne went missing. But when the
couple went back to the park to talk

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to the ranger, you know,
he was gonna dismiss it as well by

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saying there's no way that this little
boy is at the top of that rock

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cropping. He was totally just gonna
dismiss it. But they did end up

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sending one hundred and fifty people up
there to search, but they struggled to

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get up there and there wasn't anything
there. So no sign of this boy

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has ever been found. Nothing,
nothing, in eighty eighty five years eight.

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How does that happen? People?
It is it's it's baffling. And

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that's what I said. You know, there's there's gonna be so many questions.

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There's gonna be more questions and answers. But this is stuff that I

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think having the technology that we have
nowadays, like the DNA, the cameras,

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you know, the fleers, you
know, we need to start using

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those. And why are we not
hearing about the thousands of these cases that

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are going on in these national parks? That's another great question. Yeah,

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why are they just setting on all
of this information? Are they afraid that

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people won't come? That has to
be has to have to play a part

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in it. I think, Tiffany, when I started looking into this stuff,

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I was worried about having enough content. But the more you look,

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the more you find. I've been
looking into this stuff for months and I'm

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just now hearing about this Alfred kid
and you found it and one that sent

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it to me, And it's probably
the most disturbing and baffling and just weird

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that we've covered to date. And
it just makes you wonder how many more

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are out there? Right? Yeah, exactly. And it's not just you

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know, children that we're coming across. I mean, these are the most

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baffling of the ones that have been
found so far. But there's adults that

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go missing under the same circumstances,
miles and miles and miles away from where

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they should be. Not just adults. We're talking adults whose passion and hobby

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is hiking and camping and being outdoors. They are not new at this,

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and they're disappearing. Yeah, what
is going on in our national parks?

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And why are we not being told
really, really good questions. It's troubling

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as hell, it is. People, watch your kids when you go places

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like this, Keep keep your eyes
on them. Don't let them get too

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far away. The Scarlet just turned
three. My daughter and I have other

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kids as well. I've been blessed
that nothing has happened to them throughout their

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life. I thank God for that
every day. I really do. That's

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not just a saying I do.
I pray and I thank God every single

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day that my kids are here and
healthy and nothing like this has ever happened.

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But this stuff happens. The kids
disappear. You turn your head for

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a second and one can get gone. And it's not just them falling off

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a cliff or stepping in a hole
or something like that. Something is taking

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them. I believe something is taking
these kids in the woods. Please keep

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an eye on your children, if
you think about it. Billions of people

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every year, not billions, millions
of people every year visit these parks,

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not just national parks, but like
state parks, state forest recreation areas.

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Millions of people in the US North
America visit these things, and it's only

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a small handful that something like this
happens, just a very small number,

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but it still happens. It can
happen to you. Just keep an eye

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on your kids and thank God that
you still have them every chance you get.

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Absolutely, I concur it is one
of those things that just you want

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to take your family out to have
a good time. You know, you

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never expect to not make it back
home with every single family member. And

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that would be so gut wrenching.
That is something that I would never want

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to leave because they weren't found.
I would want to continuously search every single

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second that I could just got can
the mat I can't imagine going on vacation

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with your little one and then having
to go home without him or her.

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Yes, the thought is, the
thought is governing I don't know. That's

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probably a good spot for us to
close this one out. Yeah, just

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just heartbreaking. If you guys have
any suggestions, As I just mentioned a

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couple of minutes ago, there's so
many of these cases we have not heard

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of them all. Obviously, there's
many out there. If you guys know

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of any that you're interested in,
If there are any that stick out to

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you that have bothered you over the
years that you would like us to maybe

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put a couple of fresh eyes on, a couple sets of eyes on and

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dig into a little bit, please
send them our way. You can get

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Tippany at Tiffany at Paranormal World Productions
dot com and get me at Wayne at

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Paranormal World Productions dot com. It
was September of twenty eleven in the Mount

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Shasta area, a place called Fowler's
Campground near McLeod River in northern California,

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where one of the craziest stories you
will ever hear took place. We're going

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to go with the name John Doe
for a couple of reasons here. The

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parents decided to do this for a
couple of reasons, the boy's age,

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for one, and to protect the
family's anonymity. You can't blame them for

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either one of those. I mean, he was three and a half years

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old. They were camping, and
as happens more times than should we've all

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heard a thousand times, the boy
was here one minute and gone the next.

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That was pretty much the quote from
the father. He was here and

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then he wasn't. Within an hour
of the little fella going missing, there

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were over one hundred people from all
these different agencies that were out looking for

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him. They really really got on
it quick. To their credits, it

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was about five hours into the search
when a Shaff's deputy with a canaine was

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out looking and he actually stumbled across
the boy. He was out looking and

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he heard coming from underneath this bush. He heard some cries and a little

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voice saying help. So, to
his shock his amazement, he looked under

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there and he sees the little guy. Stay tuned for more paranormal Odyssey,

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and as you can imagine, he's
just ecstatic, so happy as any of

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us would be, because a lot
of the times these things do not turn

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out that well, but it had
in this case. So scooped him up

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and ran back to the campground to
reunite little John Doe with his parents.

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He was never questioned by authorities.
I mean, why would he be three

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and a half years old. This
was a happy ending. Everything worked out.

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Everyone came in, did their jobs
and saved this little guy's life.

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What point would anyone what point would
it have made to talk to this guy?

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So he wasn't questioned at that time. It was about three weeks later

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and little John was visiting his grandma. He had a grandma Kathy, but

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he called her Cappy. So he's
over there visiting and he tells Cappy that

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he doesn't like the other grandma Cappy
and this kind of catches her off guard.

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No, as it would any of
us. So I'm the only Grandma

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Cappy you have. Who are you
talking about? He went on to tell

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her that when he went missing,
it was because the other Grandma Cappy grabbed

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him up and took him off to
the creepy place, and that grandma,

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the other Grandma Cappy, was really
a robot. He went on to say

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that he was taken to this cave
where there were guns, purses, and

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other bags. This was a creepy
cave, he said. All this stuff

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was covered in dirt and cobwebs and
spiders and just not a fun place.

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He said. What made him think
that the other Grandma Cappy was a robot

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was how the lights would sparkle off
of her face. This is what made

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him think that something was off.
He also said that there were other robots

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in the cave, but these weren't
moving or talking. It's like they were

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frozen in place, and they all
had distorted, messed up faces. What

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is going on in this cave?
John said. The other Cappy seemed nice

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at first until she examined his stomach, and then after examining his stomach,

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she hands him this sticky piece of
paper and as if it wasn't weird enough,

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guys, she hands him this sticky
piece of paper and tells him to

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poop on it. To actually defecate
on this sticky piece of paper, as

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it would anybody. Freaked him right
the hell out. I'm sure he started

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crying. He couldn't do it,
and this upset Fake Capy and the next

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thing you know, he's being led
out of the cave and a short distance

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away, he's told by Fake Capi
to get under that bush and lay there

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and he'll be safe. Someone will
find him, and then she just went

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away. So she goes away,
and he does what she says, He

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lays under there, and this is
inevitably where he was found by the officer.

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Some however, many hours later,
as you can imagine, all this

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stuff is just running through Kapy's mind. What is going on with this kid?

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She calls his parents and she's upset. She says, what are you

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letting this child watch? What kind
of TV shows and movies is he watching?

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His imagination is running wild. And
she told the parents what John told

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her, and the parents told her, Please don't push him, don't say

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anything else to him, don't ask
him any more questions about it. He

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told us this right after he returned. We know about all of this.

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Please just leave him alone about it. Drop it. We want him to

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forget. We don't want this to
be something that he ends up needing therapy

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for some tragic event that he just
can't forget. So for everyone's sake,

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please just drop it. We know
all about it. We want him to

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forget. What really troubled Cappy the
most, though, was something that happened

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to her just a few weeks before
the disappearance. She and a friend had

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been camping in the exact same area, and she had something weird happened to

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her. She claims that she woke
up one morning, face down in the

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dirt with this puncture mark in the
back of her neck. Now, I

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read somewhere else another a different article
that said that she was physically dragged out

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of her tent. Now, I
don't know if she remembered being drug out

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of the tent or she just assumed
that she was drug out of the tent

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because she went to sleep in the
tent. Either way, she woke up

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face down in the dirt with this
hole in her neck. She could not

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help but think that these two things
were related. I mean, you would

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have to think it. I mean, what are the chances that it's not.

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I mean, you're camping, we
have this crazy thing happened to you

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that I'm sure you just want to
forget, nothing come of it, You're

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fine. And then in the same
area, your grandson goes missing. Luckily

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he's found, thank God, he's
returned unharmed. And then you hear this

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crazy ass story. Why would you
not think that they were somehow connected.

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I mean, I certainly do a
lot of you, some of you that

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have heard this before, probably heard
it on the Coast to Coast AM it

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was featured over there. Other people
have talked about it. It seemed vaguely

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familiar to me, and I didn't
really remember all the details. Like I

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said, it happened in twenty and
eleven, so what's thirteen years ago?

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What the hell? Dude, my
god, what do you make of this

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story? Is? I'm not a
psychologist, obviously psychiatrist don't even claim to

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be one on TV. But is
this like a defense mechanism? I mean,

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did he come up with this theory, this stories idea, and it's

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had to help him cope with the
hours of being gone? I mean he's

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only gone for five hours. Granted
that probably seemed like a really really long

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time to him, especially to his
parents that had to have seen luck forever.

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But did he just come up with
this story in his head and now

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it's fact to him. I don't
know. I don't know if stuff like

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that's even possible. I do know
that this one had a happy ending,

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so many have not. The other
cases that that we've covered before this did

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not have happy endings. The three
cases we covered before were also children,

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and they not only did not come
back. They were never found. One

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of the last ones we did is
to be like eighty five eighty three years

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that this kid's been missing, so
we have that he has that going for

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him. He was found and that's
that's awesome. That's amazing. Guys,

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watch your kids. I've said it
before, keep them right beside you when

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you're out in these places. We
all enjoy taking our kids, taking our

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family out in nature, but we
just we have to be so careful.

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Kids are so inquisitive and things new
to them and they want to do everything.

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We just as parents we have to
be careful that. I'm glad,

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Like I said, I'm glad that
this one worked out for the best.

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And if you guys have anything that
any comments, anything, any cases that

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have stuck with you over the years
that you heard a long time ago that

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just bothered you or disturbed you that
that you just want someone else to look

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into, I would love to do
that for you. Send me an email

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to Wayne at Paranormalworldproductions dot com,
or if you would rather talk to Tiffany,

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you can get her at Tiffany at
Paranormal World Productions dot com. We

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are loving the hell out of doing
these missing persons cases. I mean,

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they're they're tragic, they're horrible,
most of them, but people need to

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be talking about them. Something's going
on. It just seems seems like something's

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going on in our forests of North
America, and we gotta talk about it.

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So that's what we are doing,
all right, guys, until we

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see y'all again. Y'all take care
of yourselves and take care of each other.

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Bye. They say you don't gotta
go home, but you can't stay.

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No, I don't want to be
long. We're all outing chop chop

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chid everything they can back right back, joy from me, Joy staying right,

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you can it right away. Stations
also games, James Stay, pass,

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stays, and games used as games