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The shares right now are pretty well
the same before we started the drilling,

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so they are actually right now a
very very good bargain because nothing has changed.

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The six wells are still there.
The six wells still have the reserves.

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When you talk about a glitch,
it's just normal production issues that you

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have with a with a field.
We're going to be re perforating three wells

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and what that does is because the
gas comes in at four to five to

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six million, can be pete per
day and it blows the water out.

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So that'll produce like that for you
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The Financial Survival Network now more than
ever, the Financial Survival Network. Welcome.

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This is Financial Survival Network. I'm
your host, Kerry Lutts. We

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are getting a much requested update firm
sponsor, Trillion Energy. It's been a

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rough patch in the oil and gas
patch recently, but we're here with Trillion

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Energy CEO Arthur hollerant Art. We've
been talking for years now. I said

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when I first found this company,
it was the most undervalued company I ever

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found in my forty plus years of
investing. And now with the company trading

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it close to one time's earnings.
Try to find that. I still believe

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that undervalued, underappreciated problems emerge.
But business is all about solving problems.

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What problems have hit you that you
weren't didn't expect and what have you done

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about them? Okay, well,
thanks carry for having me on the talk

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show. Here to us so I
can explain some of it. Like you

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say, the shares right now are
pretty well the same before we started the

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drilling, So they are actually right
now a very very good bargain because nothing

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has changed. The six wells are
all there. The six wells still had

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the reserves. When you talk about
it glitch, it's just normal production issues

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that you have with a with a
field. So we have long, long,

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directionally drilled wells and when you're producing
the gas, you get some water

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coming in and it causes water loading. It's not the flank migrating up and

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then what happens is it's just the
weight of the water. Now at the

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PERF zones, we came up with
a plan. We've also engaged and they

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are engaged. They've already given us
the first report of facility production engineering burn

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from Calgary. And the short term
fix is perforation, which we are doing

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and which we put out a news
release. We're going to be re perforating

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three wells. And what that does
is because the gas comes in at board

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to five to six million per day
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that'll produce like that for you know, two, three, four months,

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and the long term solution is to
put a pump in the borehole to pump

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the water so that the weight's not
done. We have three alternatives. We're

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just waiting for the arrival of the
pumps and we're then we're going to be

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doing a test study. That doesn't
mean we're not going to turn those three

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new perfect wells out. We're going
to put the test well, the test

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pump in another well without reperforating it
to bring everything back. So there's really

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no reason for the shares that go
down the way they did in the last

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few days. I know why they
went down, and so the people should

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know that I know, and nothing
has changed. The production is still going

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to be there. The market price
comes and goes. My biggest opportunities I'm

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still major position in trillion has come
from mispricing and misunderstanding by the market.

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That's normal. Heading back to the
consultant, you brought in, they like

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looked it and like you said,
long directionally drilled wells prone to water seepage,

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which makes complete sense. And this
company brought in world authority in optimizing

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gas fields and production. They figured
this out like almost immediately, didn't they.

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Yeah, so they what they've done
is there's going to be three stages.

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On the first stage, they just
told us the issues, which we

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knew some of the issues, but
they pointed them out. The next stage

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is they're going to show us the
alternatives to you know, fix it.

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And the third stage is to give
us learnings to when we drill our new

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wells. Right. So an example
would be one of the first things they

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pointed out, which we mentioned before, but was tubing size. We had

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four and advts tubing and that was
because we needed that size tubing to run

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the borehol tractors to bring the perforations
string to perthi zone. And then that's

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too big. They say we should
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inch tubing and that makes it more
production can lift the water. And so

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the learning for the next time is
we're going to perforate all the zones all

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at once. When we drill the
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two and three eight since tubing in, So they pointed that out. They

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also were saying, with the smaller
tubing, we can use velocity screen where

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the gas just goes up and we
don't need pumps and things like that.

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So they've already looked at it already
in a fair bit of detail, and

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so anticipating I've seen the numbers.
Production by year end should be netting what

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to seven and a half a million
cubic feet per day, that's trillion share

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of the hole. And in addition, we've seen gas prices go up a

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little bit in Turkey. Right,
that's correct. How we're getting over twelve

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dollars US now for our gas.
And then, like you say, we

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expect to just by re perforating these
three wells and putting in them, the

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water pumps will be up to about
fifty million cubic feet per day one hundred

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percent, so half of that would
be ours. And the low hanging fruit

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is just the perforating the three wells, and we will be doing that.

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We get detractors because we needed attractors. Well, detractors will be there probably

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next week, so we'll be perforating
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So this is happening right away,
so we're going to see an immediate production

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boost once the new perfs take place. That's correct. And there's also this

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big rumbling people say money, money, money to do all the perforations.

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Our percentage is the cost is about
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And how it works is that TPEO
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activity, they perforate, they send
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pay it in thirty days. So
we already have gas production, right,

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because everybody remembers a gas production is
instant. The minute we perf the wells

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run production. Right, they're connected. And then for next year you've got

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the side tracks. I think there
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So what you know now is obviously
going to speed up the production of the

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side tracks and avoid these issues.
Yeah, that's correct. And the other

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little part about it is when we're
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the existing borehold is there, and
there's existing perforations, but they didn't recover

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all the gas for one reason or
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of the water loading and because they
never used ESP pumps and so on.

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So if we find out it works
for our trial study because we're going to

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try it an ESP or progressive cavity, then potentially we don't have to drill

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all sidetracks. We can re enter
the old boreholes and do nothing but hump

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the water down and the gas will
come back on. So that will be

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way cheaper. That'll be like a
couple of hundred thousand versus eight nine million

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to drilling. It will. So, you know, the rumors are flying

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and it basically the rumor is that
TCF is not going to make it,

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that you're going to go out of
business. So look me in the eyes,

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tell me that you're in this for
the long haul, and that the

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solvency the future of the company isn't
in doubt. Yeah, that the company

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is here and it's not it.
There is no doubt in the future.

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And you know, one of the
things about business, I always say,

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it's not about the money you manage
to get, It's about how you manage

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the money you do get right,
And there is like right now, there's

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no issues between now and early twenty
twenty four. Sidetracks are drilled, they're

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all producing optimally. What can production
look like at that point? And I

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understand it's an estimate at best,
but you have a pretty good idea.

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You know what your reserves are,
you know what's in the ground there under

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the water. Yeah, that's correct. And what we did was we just

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use the legacy wells because they're identical. Some are not as good as good

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as pay as we have. And
so our exit for twenty twenty four or

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in that ring should be about twenty
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feet pretty one hundred percent, So
alf of that is ours and that's being

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middle of the road, and that's
that's nearly double what you're expecting to end

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twenty twenty three with. And hey, we don't know what the price of

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that gas is going to be.
Nobody knows that. I mean, just

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to look at the traders in the
United States, we had a recent breakout

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in the price. Nobody was expecting
it, but of course that's when it

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happens. So just if we have
the same price that we have now,

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which is unlikely, it's going to
be pretty much an eighty percent increase in

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monthly revenues. Yeah, that's correct, And right now, there's doom and

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gloom out there. Like you say, everybody saying that the TCF is not

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going to be around, and like
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that is a group that's putting that
news out there for certain reasons.

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And I'm afraid to tell them or
happy to tell them that TCP is going

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to be around. Because we drill
the wells, we have the gas there,

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we're getting a good gas price,
we have a way to solve the

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issues we have. We're just going
to execute it. And at the same

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time, now our oil block that
we're farming into is looking better and better

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because I just asked for some information
and it appears a TPAO, the government

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company, has licensed about four more
new expiration wells within a few if not

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a kilometer from our blocks, and
so those wells were probably drilled before we

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actually drill our wells. So in
what we used to do in Canada is

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when we had an expiration block and
somebody was going to drill right beside our

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block, it was like getting a
free look at what we had in our

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block. And for that also,
we're starting the seismic for the eastern over

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the part that has the antikline,
because we also have some surface mapping.

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Now, any anti cline that has
those large oil discoveries, both of them

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trend and pass right through our barm
and block, and so it's looking really

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really good. How much are those
other antikline fields nearby? And my understanding

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is ones as close as ten kilometers? How much are they producing those fields?

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So yeah, again the information is
pretty tight, but I just got

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an update here a few days ago. They have six six wells and they're

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producing eighteen thousand together, eighteen thousand
barrels oil per day, and you know

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they produce over one thousand barrels each
and they intend to just keep drilling.

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They're just going to keep drilling.
Pretty those are gushers, right, Yeah,

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they're pretty good wells. Yeah,
and that's thirty six and forty one

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API, and you're pretty much very
similar geology to what they've got there,

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exactly the same geology. And for
that eighteen thousand barrel oil pertage field that

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anti cline is on surface mapping carries
right through our profit and there's no seismic

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on that block where that anti cline
is, and know well, so it's

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complete new growth. Okay, So
once the earliest you think you'll be drilling

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your first exploratory well. So that
first exploratory well will be in June or

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July of twenty twenty four. We'll
have the seismic shot because we have to

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shoot it before the winter. Before
December. We'll have some rough I'll be

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there looking at it, but it'll
be processed, and the early processing we'll

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be able to see, you know, in a the size and the location

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or the geometry of that any client, and that will be a news release

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all were putting out right away,
and then by February March we'll have the

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more refined mapping and then we'll set
up to drill June July, and drilling

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is two and a half million bucks. Yeah, the seismology, you were

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doing the updated seismological study on SASB. Where is that at now? So

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we finished the reprocessing. The mapping
is going to be starting here. They're

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now doing the calculations of the a
VO, So some of the rough mapping

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for the faults and stuff like that
is occurring right now, and then in

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about end of November they will start
to map the AVO anomalies and so on,

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so we should be start seeing some
pretty good maps by January February.

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And just one thing about seismology the
way it is now when you drill for

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oil or gas. It used to
be, you know, you had a

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guy with a divining rod, one
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would be good, ten would be
dry holes dusters. Now nowadays it's the

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opposite, right when when you drill, when you actually drill for oil or

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gas, you're I didn't say,
I don't want to say absolutely certain,

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but you have a very good idea
of what you are going to find when

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you start drilling. Yeah, that's
correct, especially on SASB because the way

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the gas and the sands with the
process, because they're such a good reservoir

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that well, I'm not saying they're
going to calculate. They calculated an anominate

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thing and it's called av oh.
And from the drilling, we know that

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we can see the gas in the
seismic and it has to be a certain

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thickness and so on. But all
the old pools that we drilled and the

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new pools we drilled were based on
the signature. And then you do a

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color contrast and it becomes very hot
and it is I mean, I said

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one, I'm one hundred percent sure
we'll get oil and gas, and then

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Security Exchange pull me up and said, no, I can never say one

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hundred percent. And that's a true, a true thing. So I am

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as certain as I can be that
there's gas there when you see it was

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anomalies. Hey, And just to
drive on the point that I trust to

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your judgment. You're six for six, right, Yeah, that's correct.

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Yeah. And also what people don't
realize is that three of the wells that

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we actually drilled were expiration wells.
Right. So for Gulich two, there

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was a Gulige South and that was
a reserve well. We never drilled own

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because we saw a better ABU signature
what I'm talking about in the northern one,

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which was the expiration block. And
so when we drilled out when we

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got seventy five meters of bay versus
thirty five in the southern one. And

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this souther one still exists, we
never drilled it. It's proven because it

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has a vertical well. And yes, so we're six for six. Yeah.

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drill, you're almost certainly going to

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find oil or gas, I tend
to believe you based upon your track record.

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Unfortunately, the production lagged the drilling
because of the issues you said,

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but you know, it's all part
of the learning process. And more importantly,

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you're optimizing the production now and it's
just a matter of the getting this,

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doing the purfs, getting the pumps
in place, if that's what you

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decide to do. But by the
end of the year, we're going to

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see the production that we were expecting
all along. That's correct. And when

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we talk about the averages, you
know, so when we perforate these three

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wells, we will be at that
year end production for the first month or

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so, so it'll they'll come in
very, very high. And then so

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we will then start getting some good, good cash flowed from that. Okay,

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So you know, it's always darkest
before the light. As they say,

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you know, the market is the
market. We don't need to question

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what its reasons are rationale. But
my feeling is that in the end,

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value wins out. And even more
important and value is cash flow. When

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the money's coming in, nobody can
say that trillion's going to disappear, can

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they? You know, that's correct. And again talking about the cash flow,

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the cash flow for now, like
for the expiration for the recompletion and

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so on is not that much that
what we need. The big cash is

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way next year and we'll have these
wells on producing and we will be banking

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most of that money. So that's
that's like way in the future. And

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we already we still have the five
million dollars worth of consumables that we purchased

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for those side trucks. We still
have that, so that's already paid for.

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So you already paid for a substantial
portion of this future drilling art.

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I want to thank you for coming
on. Thank you for you know,

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looking me in the eye and telling
me what's going on. You know,

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I hope when the production's up,
cash flows up, you'll come back on

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and we can drink a glass of
virtual champagne. Kiss twenty twenty three goodbye,

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and look forward to twenty twenty four. Yeah, that's correct, and

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in twenty twenty four we'll hit that
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shares Bart, we'll talk to you
in a couple of months hopefully. Okay,

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