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All right, welcome to the Rojas
Report. We have a very special guest

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today, and that is lou Elisondo, the former head of the Pentagon Advanced

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Aerospace Threat Identification Program. I almost
said Aeriel for some reason, I feel

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Ariel has a ring to it.
I mess that up a lot. In

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fact, you may remember one time
I mentioned that in one of our former

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detractors that somehow it was some sort
of official comment when it's not. But

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it is aerospace, right, it
is Alajadro. Thank you very much for

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having me. I certainly appreciate Its
a big thank you to your views as

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well. Yeah, my pleasure.
So a great job on the show unidentified.

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Of course it was on We had
what the fifth episode that we're at

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on an eight episode series, so
three more to go, and I guess

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what I want to do is kind
of talk about the past, the present,

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and a little bit about the future
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past. In my interview with Chris
Mellen, you know, he kind of

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shaped up how you and he had
a strategy coming into this to take this

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package of essentially very credible information and
to push that forward along with using the

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media and identify it as a vehicle
to get this out there, to get

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the government to respond, luckily the
Navy did, and then use that as

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a vehicle to demonstrate to the Senate, you know, that this is a

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real deal, and to get them
to also start inquiries, all of which

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has happened at breakneck speed. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I think

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social engagement here is key and you
know the power of probably more than anybody

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of social media. This is really
a grassroots effort. You know, you

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said something interesting about the past,
the president in the future, and I'm

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a firm believer that in order to
know where you are today, you have

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to know where you've been. In
order to know where you're going, you

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need to know where you are now. So I do think it's important that

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we continue to build upon the initiatives
and the momentum that we've already gained on

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this topic, this very important topic
that has until recently and quite frankly,

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been relegated to discussions that are that
are on the fringe. And I think

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it's it's incredible to see that this
this conversation is being elevated now to where

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to where it should be elevated to
right as a very serious topic of very

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serious conversation. Uh, that involves
all of us, all of us equally

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and yet differently. Right, we
all live on this planet together, we

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all live on this rock together.
Uh. You know, no one gets

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gets off alive, so to speak. So we're all stuck on this ball.

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So this topic affects us equally,
but yet differently, because depending on

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our our social backgrounds and philosophical backgrounds
and theological leanings, you know, it's

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going to mean something different to to
every The person sitting in Congress receiving a

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briefing that's maybe assigned to the cissy
is going to look at this topic fundamentally

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different than let's say an academic or
a scientist, or a philosopher or just

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you know, average Jane and Joe
sitting around the dinner table. And when

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you say cissy, you mean that
the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. That's

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correct, Send us Select Committe on
Intelligence, the committee responsible for, if

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you will, the watchdog agency for
Congress that oversees the entire intelligence community.

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Writ large m hm. And I
mean it does also kind of explain for

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people. Early on, once you
guys had launched to the stars, there

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was some criticism that people didn't see
a lot of movement going on publicly.

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However, as we've seen in the
background, you guys were hustling. You

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guys were moving this football forward at
that level with that military leadership people at

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the Hill, of course, which
we saw unidentified. So I mean it

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seems as though a lot of your
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this getting that information out there,
which is what you wanted to do in

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the first place, while you weren't
in the government. Sure, I think

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public engagement is critical here, but
you know, and thank you for giving

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us credit for that. But to
be honest with you, that credit has

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to be shared with everybody. When
they say everybody, I mean I mean

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folks like you, I mean your
audience and your viewers. Because if there

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wasn't an interest in this topic and
a desire to take this topic and look

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at it the way I believe it
deserves to be looked at, then you

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and I would be having this conversation. We wouldn't have made it past the

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first few months when we when TTSA
got together and started engaging the public.

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So this has really been a team
effort. The success that you're seeing now

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is not a one side of success. It's not just because of us.

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And yes, to some degree,
we also have to give credit to some

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of the skeptics out there, because
skeptics are trying to engage this topic very

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much like other people. Right,
So you have believers on one side,

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then you have non believers on the
other side, and then you have the

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vast majority kind of in the middle
that really don't know what to think about

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about this topic. And so I
think in order to have a productive conversation

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about this topic, we need everybody
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And it's okay if people are skeptics. I think I've said before for the

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record, I think healthy skepticism is
important as long as you don't allow your

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own personal bias to overshadow that that
objectivity, right, and then I think

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it's okay. It's okay to ask
questions. It's okay to ask why and

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who and where. These are fundamental
attributes of being human. So anyways,

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I guess my point to all this
is, you know, thank you humbly

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for giving us some of the credit
to that, But really I think credit

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needs to go where credit do and
that's really this is a This is an

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awfully big ship role and there's a
lot of people that are part of it.

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Uh. And it's you know,
it's a wonderful opportunity to get different

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perspectives. Mm hmm. That's really
full. They hear too about you're embracing

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skepticism and skeptics, because I agree. I like to be challenged in order

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to make sure that you're looking at
all angles. And I think that it's

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frustrated some in the UFO can get
you guys that you all give attention to

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skeptics. But at the same time, I people like me appreciate it because

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it means you're open to constructive criticism. Yeah, and you see it even

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on the television show the History Channels
Unidentified Inside America's UFO investigation, you see

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that we actually have skeptics actively on
the program because we're trying to get all

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sides, all perspectives on this topic. It's, you know, we're not

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trying to go out and convince the
public of a preconceived narrative we already have.

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You are truly trying to walk hand
in hand with the audience and have

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a conversation about this this incredible enigma
that has now recently finally been acknowledged as

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being one a reality, right,
but two something that probably deems additional research

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and insight. And I think skeptics
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I don't mind being the difference between
being skeptical and being a skeptic by

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nature. If you are skeptical,
that's okay, you are applying I think

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reason and objectivity to look at a
topic. But if you are a skeptic

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by nature, that means then you
kind of automatically reject any type of new

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data that's presented before you. So
there's a fine line between being skeptical and

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being a skeptic. I tend to
shy away from skeptics in particular because I'm

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not sure they're very objective, right. It's just like a true believer,

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no matter what you tell them,
it's going to be hard for them to

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pivot from their narrative. So really
our focus has been that whole majority in

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the middle there that really haven't had
the luxury to really even think about the

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topic because they're busy with distractions such
as you know, real by the way,

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real distractions such as, you know, this awful pandemic that's afflicting the

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world COVID nineteen. You also have
political issues, you have civil unrest.

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You've got a lot of a lot
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now that are demanding a tremendous amount
of bandwidth from people. And so this

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is yet just another topic. And
I think if this was any other time

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in our history, you might see
more people talking about it. But there's

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so much right now in the dinner
plate that I think this topic can sometimes

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get a little bit lost, and
it's understandable right now. Another thing that

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Chris Mellan had mentioned with me and
I wrote up in that Dentic Geek article

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about unidentifying, it's one tool that
one way that unidentifies being used is that

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you're able to highlight cases, in
other words, to demonstrate that, hey,

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now that the sissy as you call
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we know there's a lot out there
that better be in those reports that

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you can't kind of like a term
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gaslight us and pretend like this,
there's not much there. We know

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there's a lot there. Are you
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be open with the public as they
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the at least the people that I
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or patriots. They've been serving the
American public for years, if not decades.

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You know, they're not there to
obfuscate, They're not there to hide

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information. Now, there is an
element of politics that is always prevalent because

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you're talking about an organiz sation by
nature that is full of politicians. Right.

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But politicians are only going to do
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constituency, the people that they represent
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their job is to eventually, you
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then get re elected. Right,
Otherwise they're not very effective and middle get

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reelected. So so reelection is very
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the American public and the constituency tells
them, look, it's okay to look

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at this, right. I mean, I can get on social media now

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and I see comments we're saying.
You know, just in a recent interview,

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I did you know some of the
comments coming in? And so,

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why are you wasting time and money
and our attention on this dumb topic.

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You know, let's get back to
let's get back to what's important. Right,

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That's not helpful because as long as
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up our elected officials for even looking
at this, then you know we're going

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to be back to where we were
even ten years ago, fifteen, twenty

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years ago. So I think as
long as we encourage our leadership, letting

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them know it's okay to do this. Senator Harry Reid was an absolute maverick

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in that regard, didn't give a
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and he just did it. Write
him and Steven's an innua. And you

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know, John, Senator John Glenn, Uh, these are are are incredible

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patriots for our country now. Whether
politics aside, I don't care if you're

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conservative or liberal or independent or whatever. The bottom line is these people put

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their their their political careers on the
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for the American people. And I
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like Senator Mark or Rubio. Uh. This is an individual he and I

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both attended University of Miami way back
when he's obviously he's weathered much better than

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I have. But uh, you
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who who's coming up for reelection and
he's willing to take on a topic like

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this that's fraught with potential political land
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a shift, and I think history
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very fondly. Now, one of
the topics that was brought up recently in

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the New York Times, and I
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on Fox News, and I've asked
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is the topic of UFO crashes and
the way the New York Times framed it

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is at a couple of you at
TTSA at least a few are convinced that

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this is a reality, that this
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is that framing accurate? And you
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been raised also as a check to
for these reports that hey, you know,

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if there is something out there on
this topic, we want you all

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to share that information as well.
So let me go back to original statements

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about the people that you know an
organization that are convinced. And We've said

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this before, there's a fundamental difference
between what someone believes, what someone thinks,

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and what someone knows right. So
I don't ever want to cross that

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barrier of what I think. In
fact, a few times have been pushed,

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you know, to a corner on
this question. I've tried very diligently

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to deflect because at the end of
the day, it doesn't matter what Luis

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Elosondo thinks or believes. What matters
is what the data shows. What do

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we have empirical data evidence that can
speak for itself. Now we know that

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this planet we live on, Earth
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Now wait before I go down that
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lose saying aliens. We have meteorites, and we have debris from comets

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on a daily basis, coming in, re entering to Earth's app if you're

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getting caught in Earth's gravity coming in
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rooms, believe it or not right. So this is a The universe is

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not static, It is dynamic.
It is always changing. Things are always

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happening. And so the question is
are the things, some of these things

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that are found here on this planet, engineered? Are they? Are they?

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Let's go this step beyond. Is
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that have been found that we know
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natural occurring things such as you know, metea rites or whatnot meteorites? Or

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are these something that had some sort
of intelligence behind them, if you will,

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in their in their their design,
and their function. So that's the

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question, and the bottom line is
we're still trying to answer that question.

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Yes, I'm obviously deflecting your question
here, and the plate is way possible,

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but I'm always very careful to stipulate
what I think. Look, the

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Internet and social media is full of
people espousing what they think, and at

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the end of the day, I
think most Americans are probably tired about hearing

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what about what other people think.
Let's try to focus on the areas we

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don't know yet, and let's try
to provide information and data and evidence that

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can help us answer some of these
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get more data would I be more
comfortable providing my thoughts. I just I

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don't want to. I don't want
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sense. My job is very simple, collect the truth and speak the truth.

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Doesn't matter at the end of the
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things or believes. What matters is
what the data shows. So by collecting

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this information and presenting it before you. You're the jury. What matters what

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you think, not mean, it's
you. It's really all about you,

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guys. That's that's what we're trying
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evidence. At the end of the
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evidence, here's what the science is
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M no. I. I appreciate
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you the opportunity to answer more fully
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a second tip for a SoundBite,
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ways, so it's great to hear
a clarification. And then one last question

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on this topic. Just Davis had
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the az Tec case. There's a
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some wait too, that there may
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that way. Are there, as
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cases? Are there some cases out
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Or have you looked into that really
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let's let's face it. You know, it's like doing a criminal investigation.

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it's he said, she said right. Then you get, you know,

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second hand account. I know this
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I actually saw the car accident myself. This car was traveling direction, this

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one was traveling this direction and they
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you have so there's different levels of, if you will, information that's more

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and more credible. Ultimately, can
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you're at a traffic court and someone
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white car Toyota hit this red car
Chevy. In fact, it was a

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Toyota that was going and doing excessive
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radar return from the police officer who
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were doing ten miles an hour of
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here is the crash report. Here
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off of the Toyota, and you
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impact, you know, it deformed
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build a case based upon the very
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the time. If that makes sense, mm hmm, it does. And

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getting into unidentified moving on to another
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another. You all tackled a couple
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there are other reasons than the search
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unidentified. In fact, Adam Kehill
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based on that episode in that and
I've seen this and written about this in

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the past. It seems that when
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blind spot when it comes to the
military, and they won't look at those

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cases. And some of those cases
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some of our adversaries have developed.
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that it's great and it's sexy to
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important reasons why UAPSE need to be
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carefully, right, you know,
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nature of technology. Let's look at
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in their in their kitchen settings.
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the microwave oven was really invented as
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and people realized, particularly some soldiers
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had deployed a radar unit of field
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they could put their their meal right
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up their food, right. And
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from my understanding, that's where the
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it was using radar waves initially.
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you develop a capability to detect u
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UFOs or UAPs right, living hypersonic
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are some rational reasons why you'd want
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about the UFOs entirely. Let's just
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you have now Russia and some of
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right, new technology that some some
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of the observables. So if you're
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hypersonic velocities, well, intercontinalistic missiles
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glide vehicles. There's all sorts of
different themes out there that that could could

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could mimic that that behavior. Uh. There are missiles that that are extremely

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maneuverable, surface to air missiles that
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instantaneous uh characteristic of acceleration. So
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a one trick pony. You know, if you spend taxpayer dollars trying to

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identify UAP, there's a really good
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other things as well. And by
the way air safety we saw in one

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of the episodes, this is not
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indeed civilian aircraft that are coming up
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got, you know, two hundred
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plane drinking cocktails that are completely unaware. That is a flight safety issue.

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I don't want myself from my family
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air domain awareness of what's around me, If the pilot does not know what's

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above him, below him or her, or to their sides, that's a

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problem for me. And so if
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that can assist in some of those
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course I've shared my research with you
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who claims to have put out some
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you all had Bill Chalker talking about
how he had also heard that there were

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programs like this. It seems important
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signal from the noise, essentially,
that we need to pay attention to that

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possibility and what information out there could
have been you know, used to cover

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up other black projects, and that
it's a topic we need to be cognizant

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of. Yeah, I agree with
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know you have a super secret aircraft
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knowledge all of a sudden, the
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is it that uncommon to go and
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car at the rec site to try
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know what type of aircraft you're testing
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you will see the area, so
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a piece of an aileron to some
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a nineteen sixty six Chevy. Right, it's all together, So it doesn't

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make any sense, you know.
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want to confuse people sometimes if you're
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I'm not talking about extually. I'm
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Right, you don't even have to
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talk about you know, real world
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we've only got about ten minutes left, we'll move on to some other topics

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as well. So I wrote an
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of Defenses responses. Ever since you
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claims fortunately backed up by some of
your coworkers and colleagues, such as Harry

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Reid, the Senator who helped fund
and start the program, you know,

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a couple of the contractors like doctors
how put Off and Eric Davis, which

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in my mind, and I think
in many people's minds, including The New

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York Times and Political really solidified the
credibility to some of your statements. However,

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regardless of all of kind of this
backing that you had from first hand

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witnesses, the DoD has kind of
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claims, Harry Reid's as well,
which has been very odd, especially when

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you put them all together. I
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they just kept backtracking and changing their
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just dead set against you know,
accepting or wanting to verify many of the

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statements that you had made, and
even you know, claiming that you had

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nothing to do with a tip,
which is it just seems really odd that

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they had been doing that. Do
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I think that's a question you probably
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look at this. So far,
in the last three years, they've changed

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their position literally seven times already,
and they continue to change it and evolve

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it every day. I have some
speculation why this may be. But also

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every time they change their position,
eventually they come back around to admitting,

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you know, let's not forget it. Initially it was a TIP didn't exist.

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Oh well, actually it did look
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Oh except for that, there were
these derds that came out, well it

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was defunct. Well, you know, and this constant backpedaling, and it's

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only really by a few. There
are individuals and documentation out there that will

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come to light. For me,
it's not a race. I don't really

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give a damn what people think about
me. What's going to happen is that

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all this is going to come out
either way, and there's going to be

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some people that are going to have
to answer some very difficult questions in the

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US government. Fortunately, we're talking
about a small minority of people. Unfortunately,

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I think they've done a disservice to
the department, because the department will

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have to come back again, just
like with the videos and say other real

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videos they're UFOs and everything else.
You know, I can't help them.

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You know, I've tried my best. There's individuals that are still part of

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the program that we're associated with,
agent that are not part of the task

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force. We have reached a critical
mass. You're correct. The Senator and

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many many, many others know exactly
who I am and what I was doing.

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But at the end of the day, Alejandro, it's not about me.

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You know, I'm not gonna I
could have three years ago ended this

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conversation very quickly, and there's some
documentation out there that would have just shut

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this conversation down. But at the
same time, it probably we wouldn't be

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where we are today with this new
task force. They probably would have retracted

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back into their shell and say,
Okay, we don't want anything more to

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do with this, you know,
just pay this guy, shut them up,

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and let's move on to something else. I think we're only here right

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now because there's been been some on
our with some patience allowing the Department to

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try to figure out a position that
they can take without you know, safe

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face, without looking like like like
they're incompetent, which by the way,

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I'm not saying they are because something
they made their job very well in other

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areas, you know, and being
able to brief leadership about the reality and

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the nature of this effort. You
know, my only warning would be to

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those who are in the department who
still think that they can obfuscate, you

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know, your time is coming.
I don't know what to tell you.

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At some point here the American people, You're going to be on one side

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of history. You're either going to
be on the right side or the wrong

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side. That's it. And I
would ask you to choose very wisely what

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side of history you want to be
on. Well, and you know,

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I know you say it's not about
you, but I would imagine, because

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it's been a lot of their comments
have been focused on you, such as

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saying that you never were involved with
a tip or those type of things.

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Had to have an effect though,
I mean, it had to have an

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effect on your life and your credibility
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and served their country the last thing
once, the last thing they want to

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do is be in a situation now
people are questioning their credibility, you know,

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their service, their intentions or loyalty. I mean, it is very

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difficult, but I also know that
the mission is much greater than me.

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I mean, everything I've ever said
for the record has always come to fruition.

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So either I'm telling the truth or
I'm the greatest psychic the world has

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ever seen today and I'm in the
wrong business. So I think people are

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smarter than that. I think people
realize that when you look at all the

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data here and you say, Okay, this is what has been said,

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and this is what has occurred versus
what the other side has said and not

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done, or vice versa, I
think it's pretty clear. I don't need

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to spend a whole lot of time
to myself because quite frankly, the facts

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are there and they defend me.
For me. There are some individuals in

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the journalistic world who, unfortunately,
I don't think the American public is savvy

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enough to recognize that they're not real
journalists, and so they put out these

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hit pieces without any real data and
information, and of course they're never held

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accountable even though years later, months
later, new information comes to light saying

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oh okay, this actually was the
real case. Those reporters will never go

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back on what they wrote and say, oh, hey, we're sorry,

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we were wrong. I was inaccurate, you know, And that's a shame

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because I think the world of journalism
today is not what it used to be

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even ten years ago. There's no
accountability. Anybody can be a journalist at

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this point and say whatever the heck
they want to be, say whatever the

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heck they want to say, and
there's no accountability. Right. I can

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say I'm a journalist, I want
to be a journalist, and therefore now

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I'm an investigative journalist, but not
really. You know, just because I

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badge doesn't necessarily mean I'm a police
officer, right. I can buy a

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badge at any Pons shop and stick
it on me, but it doesn't necessarily

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mean I'm a law enforcement If they
continue along these lines of you know,

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putting out information that seems obviously contrary
to the facts that are out there that

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you all have shared and established,
do you have recourse or are you considering

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any sort of further recourse? Yeah? I always have recourse, Alejandro.

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I mean, I'm spent a career
looking at at second and third order cause

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and effects, so you know,
people's patients only last for so long.

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But I still am a firm believer
that we need to try to do things

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the right way and the least intrusive
way. I'd rather entice somebody with a

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carrot than a stick, you know, like I say, a honey.

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Honey attracts more than vinegar, so
more flies. So yes, I have

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recourse, and you know, I
always have some options available to me.

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But I'm not sure we're at that
point yet. I don't know. Maybe

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we are. You know, it
depends on what the department does or says

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within the next few weeks or months. Uh, you know, balls in

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their court, really and I guess
a stick would be legal recourse potentially.

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Sure, that's an option, right, I mean, and if you can

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go legal recourse, what happens,
Well, everything, everything's put on the

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table, and I'm sure there's going
to be some people really really uncomfortable should

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that, should that have to happen? So you know, again, go

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ahead, Yeah, I was just
going to say the fortunate thing that I

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think your patience early on made people
question, you know, why is any

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fighting for himself? However, I
think it's born out that your patients actually

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played well and now has really demonstrated
your credibility and has helped in the long

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run to see that hey, he
was just being paid, you know,

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letting the facts all demonstrate that it
will all work out. And it did.

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I mean for the most part.
I mean you've been vindicated. I

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mean for you left because they weren't
taking the topic seriously enough. In the

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Pentagon. You demonstrated you and Chris
and the group have demonstrated it was a

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real issue, and you've proven that
the American people and the Senate should have

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been given this information, wanted this
information, and that they are now saying,

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hey, we need more, you
know. And on August fourth,

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you have the Deputy's Secretary of Defense
authorized under his authorities the establishment of this

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task force. This is precisely what
we have been trying to achieve when I

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was an agent, finally getting somebody
in a in a senior level position to

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accept this responsibility and fund it properly
and give it the teeth it needs to

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do what it needs to do.
Right. So it took three years.

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I'm not sure had we have used
a different strategy we would be here.

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But we've come a long way in
just three years. I think, and

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you know, I do I think
that strategy has up till now has proven

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very effective. Right, rather than
confronting the department head on, maybe what

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we can do is help them right
come to a better conclusion. We're pretty

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much out of time. I know
you've got to leave just one last yes

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or no question and perhaps if you
allow, maybe I'll email you some more

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questions. There was at least a
couple that came up in the chat.

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But this current UAP task force,
although they Susan goes Press really said that

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it was started on August fourth,
it appears as though, because you know

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it's a Navy relay, did it
stems from you used to work on that.

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This is the group that was the
extension of a tip that continued on

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that you've been talking about over the
years. Is that correct? Not as

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simple as a yes or no answer? There are I think you're on the

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right track. I'll just say that
I don't want to answer on behalf of

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the department again. I want to
give them some time to figure out the

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answer they want to give. But
I think it's abundantly clear at this point

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that a lot of the elements that
were involved in the AI program are part

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of this current effort now is that
my coincidence or is that by design?

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You tell me, right, And
yeah, I found it surprising when I

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put together my article just how closely
your comments and descriptions of this organization,

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and there's in that you know,
talks about same department, same players,

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all of that. So I found
that really interesting and credible for supporting your

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stance. But we are out of
time. It's ten thirty five, so

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I think you've got to run.
But thank you so much for joining.

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Congratulations on a great show, and
congratulations on I can't imagine a better vindication

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in that. You know, now
the Senate is asking questions, there's this

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new task force. I think people
are just floored at this point. Well,

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I appreciate it Andandro, but really, again, this has been a

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team effort. Everybody is part of
TTSA, and of course folks like you

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that are just relentless and finding the
truth and getting that information out has been

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incredibly useful. There are people now
in Congress that are paying attention, They're

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watching social media. There are a
couple of people now in the Twitter sphere

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so to speak, that you know, seem to have a pretty good understanding

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of what's at stake here, and
I think they'd be surprised to know that

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there's people in very high levels of
government that are actually following some of what

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they have to post. So this
has been a group ember. It's been

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a since your honor and pleasure as
always to be with you, and you

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know, thank you for for all
that you do as well, and your

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listeners and those individuals that are that
are supporting you and people like you.

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I think you know, I think
the times are changing. I think the

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times are changing, and I think
you know we're entering potentially a new era

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of understanding. Well, thank you
very much, and of course thank you

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from all of us on your work
on all of this. But thank you

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very much for joining us, and
hopefully we'll talk to you soon. Honor

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and a pleasure as always, thank
you. Thanks all right, So thank

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you to Lose so much for joining
us. It was really helpful to to

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be able to talk to him about
all of this and what I will do.

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Like he said, he'll answer more
questions via email, So send me

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emails if you have other questions.
I'll take these questions in the chat and

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I'll put those into an email and
then I'll put together a Q and A

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because I actually had a couple more
too. So Otherwise, for those of

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you who are watching now, just
so you know how this works, is

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that if you are a Patreon member, this video won't be able to be

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viewable except for those who are in
the memberships for YouTube, and I'll post

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a new video for all of you
and Patreon who are members so you can

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watch it as well. And of
course, if you go to open mindsat

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tv, you can see all these
articles that we talked about and you can

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see links to all of these interviews
that we've got going on. So thank

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you all so much for joining and
until next time, we'll talk to you

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later. Thanks guys, Bye,