WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:04.519 This show is produced and hosted by Mark Webber. The show is sponsored by 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:07.839 G three of Peril. The views expressed in the following program are those of 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:13.240 the sponsor and not necessarily the opinion of sevent ten wo R or iHeartMedia. 4 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:19.239 Who is Mark Webber. He's a self made business executive here to help you 5 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:23.960 find your success. From the New York City projects to the Avenue Montaigne in 6 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:29.399 Paris. His global success story in the luxury world of fashion is inspiration off. 7 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:35.200 He's gone from clerk to CEO twice. Mark is classic proof that the 8 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:40.119 American dream is alive. And well, here's your host of Always in Fashion, 9 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:45.359 Mark Webber. Mark Webber. It's not easy being honest. Let's face 10 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:49.600 it. There's just too many temptations. But what choice do you have? 11 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:53.000 I, for one, I'm Dudley, do right. I can't do anything 12 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.280 wrong. I've got to live with myself. I got to be able to 13 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:00.399 sleep at night. But fast money, fast solutions, cutting corners. You 14 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.079 can never underestimate the other guy's greed, big egos, big plans. The 15 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:07.760 rules don't apply, you think to you, but we've all thought it. 16 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.239 The problem with thinking you can get away with the lies, no one will 17 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:19.439 no worse. You know, you know when you've been compromised, your innocence 18 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:23.480 is lost forever. Honesty is a reward unto itself, a gift you give 19 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.959 yourself. The value of putting your head on the pillow at night and seeping 20 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:32.239 soundly is priceless. Not having to remember two stories, the lie and the 21 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.799 truth. There's also a pressure you don't need in your life. They are 22 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:41.040 no secrets among people. Once you're compromised, it's a life sentence. Doing 23 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:45.280 the right thing when no one's looking is a definition of honesty. It's really 24 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:49.560 simple, but incredibly hard. It must be because we're surrounded by so many 25 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:53.319 people who are lying and doing the wrong things. It must be impossible. 26 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.959 Considering the state of affairs in our country now, I have to admit I'm 27 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:04.719 sick to my stomach. I'm depressed listening and watching the government tear itself apart. 28 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.319 We have a front row seage watching our politicians use our legal system to 29 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:14.360 ruin each other and destroy our credibility as a nation. And if you could 30 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:19.319 say it even worse, the rest of the world is watching. Our allies 31 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.039 are praying for us to get our act together. Our enemies are salivating at 32 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:27.919 our self in both stupidity. Napoleon was famous for saying, never interrupt your 33 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.840 enemy while he's making mistakes. The news cycles move so rapidly, Yeah, 34 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:37.120 he's a liar. Then you move on to the next conversation. How many 35 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.560 people we've caught lying in politics? And just move on forget it? But 36 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:46.680 the next day is here? Every day? What's going on here? Is 37 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:52.479 it okay to lie? When did lying become okay? The president lied this 38 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:55.800 week? I heard one commentators say, a small one. That's not a 39 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:00.680 legal basis for impeachment, just a lie. It's okay for the president to 40 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:06.680 lie to us. I subscribe to governments having the right to manage. Okay, 41 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.599 everything's not our business. They could share with us what they want to 42 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:14.240 share, leave out any facts they don't feel we need to know if they're 43 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.120 aliens out there and they don't think we should know, so be it. 44 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:20.719 That's their business. They don't tell us the whole story of COVID. They're 45 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:24.840 trying to protect us their business. But when you're lying, when the president 46 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:30.120 stands up and lies, that doesn't work. He loses integrity, You lose, 47 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:36.520 We all lose. Business is the same Company's not a democracy. You 48 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:40.639 don't get to vote what goes on. CEO is not obligated to tell you 49 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:46.280 what he's doing and why. The managers they make decisions. Not everything's your 50 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.479 business. Nowhere does it say you have to share every detail when they are 51 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.360 the boss. Though, you need to be honest. You'll lose that honesty 52 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:59.319 you go down with the ship. You shake hands with your customers, for 53 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.520 example, you have to honor your agreement. Lose that, you lose it 54 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.159 all. Yeah, I'm a bit of a boy scout. I get it. 55 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:10.479 Tony montana Escoff. They say all I have is and my word. 56 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.879 I don't break them from no one. My word is my bond. I'll 57 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.199 honor what I say. I expect you to do the same. That's what 58 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.839 makes business worth while. That's why you can trust people. No one does 59 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:28.560 business with people they can't count on to honor their agreements. It's overt We 60 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.839 act with integrity, it's often stated, but if not, it's expected. 61 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:36.000 You go to a store, you know if you don't like what you buy, 62 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:41.040 you could return it. The key to online shopping is the ability to 63 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:46.560 return things and get a refund. Restaurants we promise our food is healthy. 64 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:51.000 Cars we promise they're safe and reliable. You buy a stock from the stock 65 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:57.279 market, you're protected that the CEO and CFO statements and reporting adhere to a 66 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.279 standard of honesty and integrity. And then the government, the laws, the 67 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:06.040 rules, the statutes, the controls, the president, you can count on 68 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:13.439 them. And yet the former president of the United States and the President of 69 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:17.319 the United States are both compromised. They're both under scrutiny, one indicted and 70 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:21.439 the other under the threat of impeachment. It's a mess. It used to 71 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:26.360 be back in the day, as it said you needed to be squeaky clean. 72 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:33.560 Not anymore. But I say even the appearance of impropriety is a problem, 73 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:41.279 and even the appearance of improprietors the standard we can't seem to maintain inappropriate. 74 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:45.920 Knot what to do or not happy about it or not. After tonight, 75 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.920 no more politics for me, but I feel compelled to talk about honesty 76 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:54.839 and integrity and living a simple life. Now joining me on a search for 77 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.160 truth, justice and the American way. My lawyer, my co host, 78 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:03.319 my son Jesse Weber, sounded like Superman right there. Yeah, little plagiarism, 79 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.560 that's where it's from very good. Well, when you talk about politics, 80 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.079 I think everybody knows what I do every day. Hey, wait a 81 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.600 minute, Wait a minute before we give a serious answer. You quote me 82 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:17.839 on the American way, But what about never underestimate the other guy's greed? 83 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:23.240 Where is that from? That's from scarface? Okay, I just thought i'd 84 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.720 bring it up, although he said it a little bit different. Never underestimate 85 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:30.160 the omaguist greed. No, it was funny because I was listening to you 86 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.120 talk about politics, and I thought that I saw the worst As the host 87 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:36.600 of the Long Crime Network. I thought I had a front row seat to 88 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:41.800 the nasty, true crime, the dark side of this world. I was 89 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:46.519 wrong. American politics is worse. It's worse now than I think it's ever 90 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.839 been, and so we have to thank the American legal system for holding us 91 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:55.920 together a little bit. Right, Really, that's your position. I could 92 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.680 argue that the legal system has been weaponized. It's like second Avenue. It's 93 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.600 one way right now. Well, if we're going to have the conversation, 94 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:08.360 you have to decide if you want to discuss this the way things are or 95 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:12.680 the way things look, because that's two different things. That's fair you've got 96 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.519 to be the smart one he had. But you have to grant me their 97 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.279 often perception is reality. Well, then you have to grant me that the 98 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:21.040 law is different than the court of public opinion. Now perfect, This is 99 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:26.160 brilliant, the truth versus perception. That's the way they'll draw all the lines 100 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.079 tonight. And why don't we start right out with politics and get it out 101 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:34.680 of the way. Donald Trump, Donald Trump has hated but as policies, 102 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:44.319 America first, peace, negotiated trade agreements to get a fair shot for America. 103 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.800 He provided prosperity for all of us. There's no inflation. He controlled 104 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.920 the border. He took a hard stance with our allies and NATO and said, 105 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.000 you want us to help you, you have to help us, and 106 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.920 you have to pay you a fair share. He had to stare down with 107 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.639 China and made them promise to do the right thing. And where is Donald 108 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.800 Trump? What happened to him? He never got a fast shape. His 109 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:11.680 election was tampered with for three years. He suffered through Russia collusion. Then 110 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.279 he got him peach for the exact things that Biden did, and he didn't 111 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.639 Who could blame him for feeling he was cheated out of his presidency, the 112 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:26.639 whole idea that everything was rigged. It's amazing, and here he is being 113 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.360 hounded for everything and what did he do? Okay, well, first, 114 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:35.519 let me just do a little disclaimer here. Number one. I hate to 115 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.399 see the former president indicted, let alone indicted for a third time. I 116 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.440 think it's terrible for the country. And I think it's terrible when you even 117 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.440 talk about him peaching Biden. That's not something I want to see. I'd 118 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:48.679 rather go back to the real issues, the real debate. I think it's 119 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:50.720 really ugly to see it. Okay, I don't think it's good for the 120 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.200 country. Now. Having said that, I hear everything you just said, 121 00:08:54.799 --> 00:09:01.679 but that doesn't give former President Donald Trump the license to just do whatever it 122 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.159 is he wanted to do. And what he is accused of doing in this 123 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:11.759 latest indictment is really really bad. It's really bad. Did you read this? 124 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:15.039 Of course not? Well, where would you like me to start? 125 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:16.799 Would you like me to give you a quick synopsis of what it's about. 126 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.559 I want you to convince the audience that he deserves to be on trial because 127 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.679 I think he'd done some of the greatest things I could ever Remember, a 128 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.200 president doing policy is policy, but in terms of whether or not he did 129 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.320 something illegal, even if you're the best president, you still can't break the 130 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.240 law. Now, I'm glad the way that you phrased it. You didn't 131 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.879 say convince everybody that he should be convicted. You said convince everybody that there 132 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.600 should be a trial. Okay, this is a prosecutor. I'm talking about 133 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.679 Jack Smith, who has prosecuted some major cases. He is not a diehard 134 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.639 lefty. Hey wait a minute, he's got a bad beard. I don't 135 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.840 trust him right away, bad beard decide. Okay, this was an investing 136 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.840 that was going on for a long time, and they brought in a number 137 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:09.039 of witnesses. They had former Vice president Mike Pence testify in front of this 138 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.600 grand jury. And I heard Pence say it one day that he didn't think 139 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:18.480 these were criminal activities. Okay. Pence was careful because he didn't want to 140 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.840 go on the bad side of Trump. He didn't want to lose Trump's base. 141 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.600 But he testified in front of a grand jury. He's not gonna lie 142 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.000 under oath. He said that Trump and the co conspirators of Trump who haven't 143 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:35.639 been named, but we can guess who they are. They basically pressured him 144 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.039 to illegally intervene in the electoral process, to basically stop the certification process where 145 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:45.600 Congress gets all of the electoral votes and they take those votes. They tallily 146 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.799 him up. It's going to be Biden. Who's the rightful winner. These 147 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.320 said that Trump wanted him to illegally intervene and stop the process even though there 148 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:58.159 was no actual evidence of election fraud nothing. Well, let me ask or 149 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:03.080 did he leely intervene? Or he asked if it was possible to slow up 150 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.279 the process because he believed what was done was illegal. When Penn said him, 151 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.879 listen, mister president, I don't have the authority to do that, 152 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.840 Trump came back allegedly and said, you're too honest. Then this whole fake 153 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.840 electors scheme. So the idea was that Trump and his co conspirators, this 154 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.360 is the accusation, they were going to put aside the electors that were supposed 155 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:30.399 to vote for Biden and institute their own electors that they knew weren't legitimate. 156 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.919 This isn't talked about enough in the indictment. Pence says that when there was 157 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.120 a discussion between him and Trump, about, well, we have two options 158 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.080 here. One we could get these electors put in place and keep them on 159 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:48.000 hold until we win our lawsuits, or we unilaterally use our electors and replace 160 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.879 the Biden electors, which is totally illegal, and Trump allegedly said I prefer 161 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.360 that option. So that signifies to me that Trump knew that this wasn't legitimate 162 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.840 or legal and wanted to do it anyway. But you're going to put him 163 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.399 on trial for something he wanted to do that he didn't do. He's charged 164 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:11.080 with conspiracy and obstruction. That doesn't necessarily mean you had to complete the act. 165 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.000 It's the planning to do something. It's the attempt to get something done. 166 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.399 So even though he didn't stop the election, the attempts that he allegedly 167 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.399 engaged in, that's criminal enough. All right, let me ask you a 168 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.360 question. You don't think the government engages every single day and what ifs and 169 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.000 would haves and could have should have ideas that may or may not be illegal, 170 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.399 and they never put them in place. Trump had every right to speak 171 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:39.039 to his advisers, to go on Twitter, to speak to the media and 172 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.679 say this was a fake election. I wanted investigated. I don't believe that 173 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.360 I lost. He had every right to do that. But when he took 174 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:52.080 actions like this elector scheme, or when he tried to get his own attorney 175 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.919 general put in place to back this up, or when he tried to pressure 176 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.279 state officials to change the votes, or when he tried to get Pence to 177 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.919 step in, those are the actions that are criminal. There's one thing to 178 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.480 just discuss it and try to investigate it and look into it. But it's 179 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:11.080 when you take steps to actually change something and break the law. That's where 180 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.080 he got himself into trouble. Allegedly. Listen, he's got defenses. He'll 181 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.919 go to trial, maybe a jury will side with him. Well, is 182 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.919 that the toughest part of the case of the indictment. The toughest part is 183 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.799 trying to get into Trump's mind. What did he intend to do? Now 184 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.759 he'll say, I didn't care what anybody was telling me. I was listening 185 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.360 to John Eastman and I was listening to Giuliani. These are the people that 186 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.399 I trusted. The problem with that is there's evidence to suggest he didn't even 187 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.519 believe them, and he knew that this was all false, but he was 188 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.200 just trying to stay in power. Now he'll also say I never was a 189 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.360 part of this plan. My attorneys were just doing things on their own, 190 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.919 or I never thought about fake electors. I just had them in place in 191 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.879 case I want to a lawsuit. Again, the problem is that wasn't what 192 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.440 he really intended. So it's going to be up to a jury to decide 193 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.960 what was his intent. He believed that the Tree had an illegal election. 194 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.279 He believed that the people didn't get Bill Will. He could believe it. 195 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:07.679 He could file every kind of lawsuit that he wants. He did, he 196 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.960 kept losing. He can investigate nothing came out of it, but you can't 197 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.360 take steps to take matters into your own hands and try to take the election 198 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.840 back. That's the problem, the appearance of improprieties. What's going on here? 199 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:28.720 It doesn't seem even handed. Joe Biden fired the prosecutor from Barisma. 200 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.240 No, needn't fire prosecutor from Barisma. He've tried to get the prosecutor from 201 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:37.200 Ukraine fired because he was investigating Barizma. Sorry, he wasn't investigating. Look, 202 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.240 I agree with you. The title of this show is perfect for Biden 203 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:46.600 because when you talk about was Biden corrupt? Was Biden on the take. 204 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:52.320 There's no concrete evidence, but the appearance of it. After this guy, 205 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.320 Devin Archer testified and said that who had worked with Hunter Biden and said the 206 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.240 Hunter put Joe on the phone over twenty times, said he didn't discuss any 207 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.480 actual business with his son, wasn't part of any of the deals. It's 208 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:07.519 not going to satisfy a lot of people. They're gonna think looks like Joe 209 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.200 Biden wasn't being honest and it looks like Joe Biden was a part of this. 210 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.399 Well, that Joe Biden narrative went from I've never had a conversation with 211 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:20.480 my son about his business matters, and he ran on that when he was 212 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.919 challenged when he was running for election to now, I never signed any deals 213 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.240 or I never did business with any of Hunter Biden's associates. Those are two 214 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:33.039 very different things. All of a sudden, that seems like a straight out 215 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:37.279 lie, and that's okay. Well, politicians lie all the time. Biden 216 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.320 lies, Trump lies, everybody lies. It's just a question of whether or 217 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:45.360 not that lie is illegal or impeachable. Look, I believe that he was 218 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:50.120 his presidency was taken away from him under nonsense. I think starting with the 219 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.000 FISA warrant, that it's been proven they all did it, they knew it 220 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.960 was a lie, that Hillary's camp did it, That nothing has ever been 221 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:02.480 done. The fact that Hillary Clinton burnt thirty three thousand emails and Trump is 222 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:07.600 being indicted for what happened in Marrow lago. This entire behavior about Biden, 223 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:14.919 the entire behavior about everyone, certainly makes it look like the scale of justice 224 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.759 is not even on both hands, and it is really ugly. I don't 225 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.840 know about that Hunter Biden. We found out last week he's still being investigated 226 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.039 by the FEDS. Look, nobody cares about Hunter Biden. You know, 227 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:30.320 I care more about him. Adam shifts, standing up and rereading the letter, 228 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.039 writing in his own way to prove that Trump did an illegal phone call 229 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:38.000 with the Ukrainians. It adds up to a country who's in a mess right 230 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:42.360 now. And the whole thing stems from lack of trust, lack of respect, 231 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:47.039 lack of dignity, lack of integrity, lack and lack and lack. 232 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.960 I see no good things coming out of any of this. And the truth 233 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:56.159 is what everyone forgot. The problem with the election in twenty twenty, it 234 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.559 was all done by mail the problem him as no one was used to one 235 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:07.359 hundred and seventy million people voting and it changed everything, and everyone seems to 236 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.400 have forgotten. It used to be how to get up the morning of the 237 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:12.880 election, go in and wait online, put your vote in place, and 238 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.720 go to work or do whatever you're going to do. And now they made 239 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.559 it from the ease of home and it changed the dynamic and everyone is confused. 240 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:25.000 And that is the biggest issue facing our electorate. What was the impact 241 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:30.400 of mail in voting? In my view? Now I go back to Trump 242 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.440 so we can close this out. Is this a good case against him? 243 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.799 And is it fair that it's going on? Is it fair that it's going 244 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.160 on? As I said, I don't want a president being charged. I 245 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.960 don't like it. But having said it, taking all the allegations in this 246 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.319 indictment is true, it's really bad for him. I actually think if this 247 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.440 went to trial, I'd like to see what the defense is. There is 248 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.720 a strong chance he'd be convicted. I think that with Marlago he probably has 249 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:57.480 less of a defense, and that's a bad case too. I don't think 250 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.799 New York should have been brought I think that's a weak case. But this 251 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.920 is not good for Trump, I'll tell you that much. Is there any 252 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.839 chance it won't go to trial. There's always a chance it won't go to 253 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.759 trial. There's always something that could blow it up. Having said that, 254 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.119 it also becomes a question of when it goes to trial. Why do I 255 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.759 say that I don't think this is going to happen. This trial is going 256 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:21.720 to happen before the election. And if he becomes president and this trial hasn't 257 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:25.599 started yet, there is talk that he would get his Justice Department to drop 258 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:27.880 the case against him. There's also talk that if he gets convicted and he 259 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:33.599 becomes president, he'll pardon himself. There's a lot of moving factors right now, 260 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.240 in a lot of uncertainty. This is a mess. As the middle 261 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.880 of the road guy or a guy who has les left for social issues right 262 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.000 for hardcore. It doesn't seem fair to me. Who cares what he did? 263 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.720 He wasn't successful doing any of this crap. What's the point? It 264 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:53.039 didn't happen? Everything worked itself out for the good, maybe because cool heads 265 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.920 prevailed and people with integrity did what they was supposed to do and nothing happened 266 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:02.839 by it other than they ruined his presidency while he was there, and he 267 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:06.799 has made the country miserable ever since he lost. I say, chuck it, 268 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.400 move on and let's find out if our current president has done anything wrong. 269 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.039 Let's take a break, we come back. I want to discuss the 270 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:22.880 fact that even the appearance of impropriety is a problem always in fashion. As 271 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:29.400 one of the world's most celebrated fashion designers, Carlagafeld was renowned for his aspirational 272 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.640 and cutting edge approach to style. His unique vision of Parisian ship comes to 273 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:38.279 America through Carlagofeld Paris. He has women's collections, men's collections, ready to 274 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:42.319 wear, accessory, shoes and bags. The fashion house Carlagafeld also offers a 275 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:48.759 range of watches. I wearing premium fragrances. You can explore the Carlagofel collection 276 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.519 at Karlagafel Paris dot com. But it's more than that. I, for 277 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.240 one, love to shop. I love going around and seeing what's happening and 278 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.480 what catches my attention, what would make me feel good to wear now. 279 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.680 I don't wear the women's wear obviously, but I can appreciate it and may 280 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.240 look amazing. If you want to look right. You want to have clothes 281 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.039 that fits you well. You want to look like you're wearing something that's very 282 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.559 expensive, that's exclusive for you and yours. You can find it at very 283 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:21.759 affordable prices at Macy's so Carlogafel dot com Paris. The women's ready to wear 284 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.440 fashion is extraordinary, as well as the hand egs in the shoes. I, 285 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:30.279 for one, wear men's clothes, unlike my appreciation of women's clothes. 286 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.720 I'm a modern guy. I want to look current. I want to look 287 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.279 the way I want to feel. I go out at night, I'm in 288 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:40.640 black and Carlagafelt is my buddy. Clothes are great, They fit great, 289 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.680 and they have little tweaks and touches, whether it's a stripe on the sleeve 290 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:47.359 or button at the neck or on the shoulder. There's a lot of details 291 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:51.799 that go into Carlagafeld because he's always been, he always had been one of 292 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:55.880 the world's great designers, and this legacy and goes on and on. I 293 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:57.720 can't speak enough about it except to say to you, you want to feel 294 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:00.839 good about yourself. You want to know that you're dressing properly. You want 295 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:07.960 clothes that fits you well. Carl lagafeld Paris at Macy's or Karlgafel dot com. 296 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:14.119 My favorite brand has always been ISOD. My company at one time bought 297 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.079 that brand. The CEO of the company handed it to me and said, 298 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:21.799 you better make it work. And I put everything in my career to make 299 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:25.400 ISOD work and I fell in love with that brand, and to this day 300 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:30.920 it is one of the most exciting endeavors I've ever got involved with. Isod 301 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:37.079 is an incredibly strong golf brand. If you play golf, if you play 302 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.279 tennis for that matter. They make a great polo shirts. I mean great. 303 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:48.720 They're fit perfect. The material is unique because it's a PK fabric that 304 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:52.960 waffleweave you see, and it's made of a blend of cotton and microfiber that 305 00:21:53.039 --> 00:22:00.880 allows you to stretch. And very often they are treated with sol of protection 306 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.480 as well, so they stretch, they're comfortable, and they breathe well. 307 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.920 And one thing about Isa they always fit. They'll never tug on you. 308 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.240 You put it in your waist, they'll fit you great. The colors, 309 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:17.319 patterns are sensational. Now I will also tell you ISOD makes great shorts and 310 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.519 great golf pants. You're a golfer and you want to look good. You 311 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:22.359 don't want to have to think about how do I look. You want to 312 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.359 think about how you play, not how you feel. ISOD is the brand 313 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.559 for you. I know I was there when it was created. The strategy 314 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.480 behind that brand is brilliant. It's one of my favorite brands. While I 315 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.480 talk about I should tell you about the men's sportswear. ISOD wasn't enough being 316 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:41.680 a golf brand. It wasn't enough being just great polo shirts with logos, 317 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:48.759 without logos, Incredible brands and story and history. ISAD makes salt weather programs. 318 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:56.039 They have great printed woven shirts, short sleeves, They look excellent with 319 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:02.400 colors, excellent with shorts, excellent cotton pants of which they also make this 320 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:07.799 whole salt order relax line from ISAOD, whether it be felice, cotton sweaters, 321 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:14.920 nitpolos, woven shirts and pants of a range of colors and fabrics that 322 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.160 are perfect for a guy wants to go casually in the spring and summer of 323 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:26.720 this year. And here is the thing. ISOD is affordable. Everyone listening 324 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:32.039 to me talk about this brand can afford to buy it and know that there 325 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.880 are a lot of other brands that also have a look like isode, although 326 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:38.960 I don't believe it's fun as isot is. The brand has a lot of 327 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:44.359 energy in it, but at the price points no one can compete. You 328 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.519 can find eyes That at your leading retailers and online at isod dot com. 329 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:53.079 Talk to you later, guys. I wish you are very happy spring in 330 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:57.279 summer, and I help you by telling you if you wear Eyesode, you're 331 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:02.960 gonna look great. Welcome back to Always in Fashion. Here's your host, 332 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:10.559 Mark Webber. Even the appearance of impropriety is a problem in our society. 333 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.640 That's a fancy way of saying that perception could often be the reality. Our 334 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:21.519 country's a mess right now. A former president is under indictment. Current president 335 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.160 we're thinking about impeaching him, which by the way, is not new, 336 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.279 and I want it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Once 337 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:30.640 you started peaching one side, the other start impeaching. We'll ever get out 338 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.119 of this. Every time someone does something a little off color, boom, 339 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.839 we have a problem. I'm sick of it. I don't even want to 340 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:42.599 talk about this anymore except to say that be careful what you wish for the 341 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:47.359 world is not second aven. You're running one way. Just you think we're 342 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.839 gonna have to get back to normal. I think when aliens attack us and 343 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:55.079 we all become united, that's probably when we'll all go back to normal. 344 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:02.119 I mean, did you see during those UFO hearings that both Republicans and Democrats, 345 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.359 it was like a bipartisan issue. They were all interested in what was 346 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:08.720 happening there about UFO transparency. It takes something like that for us to be 347 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.799 unified and normal. It's not normal to have public hearings on a subject like 348 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.839 that. They should sit in a private room and be told what's going on, 349 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.039 or a select group of people should be told what's going on. It's 350 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.720 not our business. I don't want to know until they're ready to tell me, 351 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:26.759 until they have super weapons that can take care of those aliens, or 352 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.160 if you need to, or if they're nice guys. Okay, but I 353 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.240 don't want to know about it now. It's not giving away our secrets as 354 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.640 of yet. It's not saying if they're aliens or not. It's just saying 355 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:41.880 there's something up there. There are certain things that may or may not be 356 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.279 our business. You know, you're a married guy. Now, you can't 357 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.920 tell your wife everything that somebody says. I would tell her about aliens. 358 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.720 I just think they should decide what they want to do and do it. 359 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:59.759 I don't think in life and business and politics government, you have to tell 360 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.240 everybody everything. Now, if it's getting to a point that they can't hide 361 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.440 it anymore, and sooner or later these guys are going to be walking down 362 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.480 Fifth Avenue, then you might be at the point where you have to say 363 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:12.599 something. But short of that, I don't need to know everything. I 364 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:17.279 don't need to know everything. And it's a problem telling everyone because most people 365 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:22.680 is stupid. And speaking about stupidity, Tonight's show is about honesty and integrity, 366 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.640 and I want to talk about the idea of business and whether or not 367 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:33.079 the appearance of impropriety is a problem. I always a street kid. I 368 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:34.799 grew up in Brooklyn. I thought I was smart. I thought I was 369 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.720 aware of what was going on around me. When I got to the business 370 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.759 world, I realized how naive I really was. I've considered it an un 371 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.839 earth that I've grown up in corporate America now and I could speak with authority 372 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:55.160 on how things work, what obligations we have as corporate office to share information, 373 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:02.960 the threat of jail for not sharing information accurately or lying about corporate company's 374 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.720 behaviors. I mean, those are scary things, and whether out of act 375 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:11.079 of fear and this self preservation or doing the right thing, public companies have 376 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:17.400 to behave a certain way. But I was always naive enough. Forget. 377 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.559 When I was a young guy and I met your mom. Her father was 378 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:25.400 in business, and I had a vision of working for him. You know, 379 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:30.119 I grew up humble beginnings, and he had this big, successful manufacturing 380 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.559 business. I always envisioned maybe getting a shot that way. You know, 381 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.839 how else was I going to be successful. I had no plans, I 382 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.039 had no confidence, and Mommy always said to me right away, you will 383 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:47.319 never be in my father's business. So when I decided that I wanted to 384 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.440 marry mommy, and when I went to talk to her parents, I said, 385 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:55.799 sir, ma'am, I'm in love with your daughter and i'd like to 386 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.799 marry her. I would like your blessing. And they said absolutely, Mark, 387 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.039 I love you. You're a great guy and great now I could sell 388 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.720 my business, and Mommy was right. I never had a shot, thank 389 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.160 god, because I turned out to be pretty good in doing this. But 390 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.480 why am I even mentioning this. I'm mentioning it because my father in law, 391 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.640 when he said he wanted to sell his business, he said something that 392 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.839 I'll never forget, and it was the strangest thing I ever ever heard. 393 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.480 He says, I want to sell my business because I can't deal with the 394 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:32.720 buyers anymore telling me what I have to give them. I said, what 395 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.279 do you mean? Said they come to me before Christmas and tell me what 396 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:41.400 I have to buy them radio, TV, special systems, And he just 397 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:48.000 wanted no part of that. And it was my first experience with dishonesty in 398 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:53.440 business, at least hearing it and started to make me wonder. And as 399 00:28:53.480 --> 00:29:00.640 I joined Public America again, I was very naive and I really didn't wrongdoing 400 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:06.160 going on. But I have to think back and ask myself whether or not 401 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:12.680 I just was naive. I remember, after a very long time of my 402 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:21.160 company chasing Sears, we had never done business with Sears. Ever, our 403 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:26.920 major competitor was a Sears supplier. Anytime they wanted shirts with a branded named 404 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.880 Sears would buy their brand. They would never entertain our brand, and over 405 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.519 the course of time we tried so hard to meet sears, and at one 406 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:41.400 particular time we got an appointment with either the buyer, the Ben's merchandise manager, 407 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.799 the general manager. He agreed to come to our offices and he said, 408 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.960 I'll have a meeting, but I want a small meeting. Never thought 409 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.920 twice of it. During the course of the meeting, I pitched him on 410 00:29:53.079 --> 00:30:00.200 buying the van using brand and he listened patiently. I gave Hi all the 411 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.640 reasons why he should have alternatives to other brands, what made our company special, 412 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.680 what made our brand special, and I'll not forget. He looked at 413 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:15.559 me and he said, Mark, do you know two rows, four shelves, 414 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.839 small, medium lodge, extra lodge could make or break a person's career. 415 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:27.000 That if I agreed to give you two rows on four shelves, you're 416 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:33.599 talking about millions and millions and millions of dollars. What do I need you 417 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:41.519 for? All these years later on the radio talking about that, I think 418 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.759 back, and I wonder whether or not he was saying, you have to 419 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.279 take care of me. If I'm going to give you those two rows and 420 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.400 four shelves now, why, Because tonight I'm thinking about what's appropriate and inappropriate 421 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:59.400 in the appearance of impropriety. He never said anything outright, but maybe someone 422 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.960 else who was and as Dudley do right as me, someone who didn't understand 423 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:07.960 anything, maybe someone who did understand the laws of the world might have understood 424 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:14.599 that he was sending a signal. So I've always been naive about this, 425 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:19.400 and I always knew there was a way to behave I always knew, very 426 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.759 very clearly. I used to do this with Jesse and my other son, 427 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.440 JAREDY used to sit on the chair. I would spread my legs, I 428 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.640 would draw an imaginary line between my two legs. I would pat one knee 429 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.599 and say, I don't know if this leg is being promoted tomorrow, or 430 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:38.359 I pat the other leg and I'd say, I don't know whether this leg 431 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.519 is being fired. I don't own this chair that I sit in, and 432 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.400 because of that, I am very careful. I'm very measured, and I 433 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.440 think to a great deal about the way I behave when I'm in this seat 434 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:53.920 and the things that I do. And that's not a bad lesson for anyone. 435 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.599 When you work for companies, you do not own that chair, and 436 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:05.359 it's to remember that. And I always was very quiet about this. I 437 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:09.680 talked about this in my book. It was called Pearls of Wisdom. I 438 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.279 as a young man, We're doing major million dollar deals. What made it 439 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:22.079 unique was not only did I figure out a system where I would travel the 440 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:28.799 world and negotiate on behalf of my company by myself. There were often people 441 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.839 from our foreign offices there, but I was the decision maker. I didn't 442 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.039 need sign off. If I wanted to do a deal for five million dollars, 443 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.920 I could do a deal for five million dollars. I wanted to deal 444 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.640 a deal for ten minutes, I didn't have to sign off. And one 445 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:47.319 in particular was with a great Japanese trading company, one of, if not 446 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:52.279 the largest Japanese trading company at the time. I did a deal with in 447 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:58.880 Japan for ten million dollars worth of fabric. I basically put them in this 448 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.759 business. They had this idea for a cotton fabric that was permanent press, 449 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.720 was a blend, and no one ever made these fabrics before they had just 450 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.640 become available in the United States. They were very expensive, and here I'm 451 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.759 in Japan looking to see whether or not I could have a version of this 452 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:22.720 blended fabric seventy percent cotton, thirty percent polyus they could be permanent press. 453 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.519 And I found it that this Japanese trading company made the deal. They had 454 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.880 at the time a US representative who always was in the meetings when I was 455 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:36.400 there. So I was there Mark Webber with an Asian representative from my office 456 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.839 in Asia, and they were there in Japan with an American representative, and 457 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.519 they felt that I would be more comfortable dealing with an American as well as 458 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.279 the Japanese. It didn't matter except he knew our customs. At the end 459 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.920 of the deal, it was amazing. I called back New York. I 460 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.200 told him we did the deal. They were thrilled. We found a fabric 461 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.359 we would be competitive. It's less expensive. That was in the United States, 462 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:59.960 a huge deal. And I remember celebrating, go out to dinner, 463 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.799 and I came back that night to my hotel room and the little light on 464 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.640 my phone it was lit up. Called the operator mush you missay, mister 465 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:12.960 Webber, you have a package. Package comes up ten minutes later and there 466 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:19.639 I see this incredible blue velvet package and I opened it up and inside it 467 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:25.559 says Mickey Moto with white silk and in there is a beautiful Mickey Moto necklace, 468 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:31.480 bracelet and earrings. Now I am naive and I have no idea what 469 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:36.320 this is, but I know Mickey Moto pearls are worth a fortune. At 470 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.639 that time, I've got to say that thing was worth at least twenty five 471 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.480 thousand dollars, maybe one hundred thousand dollars for all I know. And in 472 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.039 it it's a card and the card is from the company I did to deal 473 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.440 with that day and said, thank you, mister Webber, we appreciated I 474 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.639 hope you find this a beautiful gift to give to your wife. The American 475 00:34:55.760 --> 00:35:00.400 signs his name on the company letterhead. Even though I was willing, if 476 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.480 I knew this was a problem, I'd just been given a gift I shouldn't 477 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.840 been given. Was it a bribe? No, because I already did the 478 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.960 deal. But should I be receiving gifts for deals? Even though it was 479 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.920 innocent? I did nothing, already made the deal. Could you imagine the 480 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:25.159 look of impropriety if someone would find out I accepted Mickey Moto pearls ruined my 481 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:30.960 life. I called immediately the guy from New York. I had his card, 482 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:32.840 and I said to him, the American. I said, what is 483 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.960 this? He says, oh, we just wondered if they thank you. 484 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.159 It's a Japanese way they give gifts. What are you doing here? How 485 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:42.280 could you possibly send this to me? You crazy? I can't accept this, 486 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.639 he said, Mark, We're in Japan. What do you care. 487 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.280 I said, you listen to me. I am not accepting this. I'm 488 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.000 going down to the front desk and taking this package, having them wrap it 489 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:55.559 up, and I'm going to leave it, and I'm putting your name on 490 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.159 it because I will never touch it again. He said, Mark, you 491 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:00.840 don't have to do that. So you listen to me. You're American. 492 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.199 You should know that this is compromised that I refused to get involved with. 493 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.320 I go back to my room. I called the president of my company. 494 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:12.760 I said, I need to alert you to something. I don't want to 495 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.559 have any misunderstanding. I went out after the deal with the people from the 496 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.880 company and I was thrilled. We had a nice dinner. I came back 497 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.920 to my room. I noticed my message light on. I called it. 498 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.119 There was a package for me that we delivered the package to my room and 499 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.239 it was a set of Mickey Motive pearls. I don't know. It's a 500 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.719 bracelet and necklace and earrings. It's got to be worth tens of thousands of 501 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:38.760 dollars. It's incredible, and I wanted you to know that I've rejected it. 502 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:44.159 I've returned it. I don't want any record whatsoever, anybody even thinking 503 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.920 for a minute that I would accept a gift on behalf of the work that 504 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:52.000 I have done. And he was quiet for a second, and he said, 505 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:53.880 Mark, when it comes to you, there would never be any confusion. 506 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.679 We know who you are, we trust you emphatically, and you calling 507 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.280 us was the right think to do. I appreciate it. I appreciate your 508 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.280 actions, and don't worry. We've got your back. Can you imagine if 509 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.519 I accepted this. Could you imagine the next time I'm in Japan and I'm 510 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:16.079 negotiating with five different trading companies for a particular item, and these guys walking 511 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:22.559 into me reminding me that they gave me those pearls. Can you imagine what 512 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.519 it would feel like having to give them the business because I'm compromised. How 513 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.880 many people do you think actually would have recognized the problem there, and how 514 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:37.239 many people you think would take it I would answer you this way, that 515 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:45.760 foreign governments focus their entire recruiting business by trying to compromise people with women, 516 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.880 with gifts, with behavior. This is their business, spy agencies finding people 517 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:54.239 that they can compromise. Maybe I saw too many movies, Maybe the fact 518 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:58.639 that I have parents who chought me right from wrong. Maybe the fact that 519 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.559 I was married to a woman who didn't take any nonsense and always knew what 520 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:06.880 was right wrong. And maybe I was just a good guy. Whatever the 521 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:12.920 case may be, I knew that I could not compromise myself. I could 522 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:16.480 not put a life sentence on myself that these guys would own me. The 523 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:21.960 answer to your question one, I have no idea how many people would behave 524 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.039 that way. Two, I pity the ones who have taken the pearls. 525 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:30.440 And three maybe by listening to me to this story tonight, you'll know better. 526 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.239 By the way, in Final Annalysis, the American from the company called 527 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.199 me the next day, asked to see me and sat with him. He 528 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.719 came to meet me in the lobby. I was having a Japanese tea and 529 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.880 he said, look, I have to apologize. It's my mistake. I 530 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.159 should have never approached you with the gift. We didn't need anything by it. 531 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.159 The company only had good intentions. We appreciated by understand your position. 532 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.360 I apologize and thank you for returning it. All said and done, did 533 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.400 the right thing, protected my future, protected my life, protected my honesty, 534 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:07.880 integrity, because even the appearance of impropriety, there is a problem. 535 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:12.599 I'll take a break. I'll be back in a minute. Always in Fashion 536 00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.880 spent a lifetime of my career building the van Usen brand, and I am 537 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:22.760 so pleased that they're back with us now talking about suits, men, we're 538 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.800 dressing up again, and it's become cool to wear a suit. Suits can 539 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.639 be one on multiple occasions, in multiple ways. You could wear a suit 540 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.920 formally to go out at night or to an event, to wear a suit 541 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.280 to the office with or without a tie. If you look closly. Now 542 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:44.159 fashion trends, suits are being worn with turtlenecks or mocknecks. The choices are 543 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.719 endless, and every one of them looks right. You could really really look 544 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.119 the part. I believe that packaging yourself this is important. Does the products 545 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.719 you package and wearing a suit is one of those things that make men look 546 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.519 their best. Then hasn't invented a new idea. It's called the cool Flex 547 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.559 suit. It's been engineered with stretched technology, giving you the most comfortable fit 548 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:13.440 and mobility. It's wrinkle resistant fabric, it's cool moisture wicking. It makes 549 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.880 it perfect for all occasions. As we discussed just now, this new style 550 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.559 of looking shop while feeling cool and comfortable is amazing, and I'm so excited 551 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:29.400 that the van Using company is involved in this new technology and is embracing the 552 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.159 whole idea of dressing up. Let's not forget Vanus and made its name with 553 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:37.679 dress shirts. It's only proper that the suit business follows strongly in its way. 554 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:43.199 You can find Vanues in cool Flex Men's stretched suits at JC Penny are 555 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.000 online at jcpenny dot com. Guys, they're great. You should go look 556 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.840 at them. Welcome back to Always in Fashion. Here's your host, Mark 557 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.840 Webber. Even the appearance of impropriety is a problem. That's another way of 558 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.400 saying. Perception is reality. And if you do wrong things, or even 559 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.480 if you don't do wrong things, if it looks like you're doing wrong, 560 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.960 it's a problem. Now, I grew up in corporate America. Thank God 561 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.360 for that. I have always appreciated rules. Where would we be without rules 562 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.280 in this world? Can you imagine? Now? Don't get me wrong, 563 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.800 I don't like being told what I can't do. Anytime you tell me something, 564 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.360 no I can't do this or I can't do that, I'll do everything 565 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.000 I can to figure out a way to solve that problem and get what I 566 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.880 want. The choice in this world is to do the right thing or not, 567 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:40.039 and my experience with public companies have always been do the right thing. 568 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.760 I have a great story that has to do with watches. I'm a watch 569 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.840 guy like watches, but that's not what this is about. I was working 570 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:54.239 at LVMH and LVMH so you know has their own watch division. Of course, 571 00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:00.679 if VITONE has their own watches, they own tag Hire, they own 572 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.960 you Blow. But they also owned Zenith and I knew them because at one 573 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:12.599 point Zenith was making all the chronographical movements for Rolex and I knew about it. 574 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.119 So that's what I knew about Zenith. And when I joined the LVMH 575 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:21.239 company, I went to see Zenith and I was disappointed because all the watches 576 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.440 were gizmos. There too many stuff going on. It was all complex, 577 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:30.679 nothing simple. You couldn't buy a beautiful, simple watch from them, and 578 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.440 I was taken aback by and I don't never forget. The managing director of 579 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.920 LVMH happened to be in the United States. We are having a financial meeting 580 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.840 on some of the companies I was running, and we got into a conversation 581 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:45.320 about stuff. When you see lately, Mark, what's on your mind? 582 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:46.400 I said, you know, it's interesting you say that. I have been 583 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:50.519 with the Zenith team. I met with them in their offices. I went 584 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.519 to this store. It seems to me that everything's convoluted. They don't have 585 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.719 any simple, beautiful, elegant watches and it's something you want to look at. 586 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.440 He says, don't walk they have stuff, okay, jus test me 587 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.039 and I told him. Boom. Fast forward three months later, managing director 588 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.800 LVMH is back in New York by having our meeting. He thanks me for 589 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.639 whatever, and it takes out a box from his briefcase and hands it to 590 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.400 me and I said, what's this? He said, open it up. 591 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:22.599 I opened it up and it's a beautiful, elegant, detailed, simple, 592 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:28.159 beautiful Zenith watch. Looks like it's worth a hundred thousand dollars, gorgeous watch, 593 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.639 and he said, Mark management, the company appreciates what you're doing. 594 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.639 We wanted to give you this as a president, and thank you for calling 595 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.920 out the issues on Zenith. They do have some watches that are very simple, 596 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.199 but not enough, and I appreciate your input. I took the watch 597 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.039 and I brought it home. I had it fitted for myself and I started 598 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.800 wearing it to the office. It was gorgeous and to this day, I 599 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.840 still wear it and I love it. I remember at the end of that 600 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.440 year, I'm doing my taxes and I'm looking at all my W two forms 601 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:02.840 and all my different tax things, and I noticed on the lumh W two 602 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:09.519 there is eleven thousand dollars that I can't fathom what it is, and there 603 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:15.239 was enough other charges for thousands of dollars that I can't get. And I 604 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.880 called the Human Resource Department. I said, I got to check, and 605 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.599 I have these charges in I don't know what they are. Can you find 606 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.639 out for me? And sure enough, the financial group called me back and 607 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.880 they explained to me that the eleven thousand dollars was for the Zenith watch and 608 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:37.559 the other charges were from the Tone and other divisions that I got product from. 609 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.199 They wanted me to wear the products of the company, so they gave 610 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.880 me a clothing allowance or a jewelry allowance. I am bag allowance, whatever 611 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.119 it was, and I would use those things for myself and my wife. 612 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.880 I'd pay for it and they pay me back. Why is it on my 613 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.760 W two phone? Because the way the tax laws work, they just can't 614 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.960 give me gifts. They can't allow me to have products. It's income. 615 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.440 So there I was getting all this stuff for free, and in the end 616 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.639 it wasn't because it was taxable. But I did appreciate that. Again, 617 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.719 I could put my head in a pillow at night and sleep because even the 618 00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.880 appearance of impropriety was taken care of by those guys, and I appreciate It'll 619 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:23.360 take a break back in a moment. Always in fashion. I've been shopping 620 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.320 for fun lately, and while I'm out, I always look at men's and 621 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.519 I look at women's. What's going on? And I was particularly interested in 622 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.280 Decay and Why because of their sponsorship of the show. I went downstairs at 623 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.639 Macy's thirty fourth Street to look around, and I saw Decay active where and 624 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:44.039 I promise you, ladies. It is sensational, from the sports braus to 625 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.840 the crop tops, to the leggings and the sweats. It really is a 626 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.519 great look. And Decay Andy had begun as an all American brand dressing casual 627 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:58.480 clothes engines, and the stuff looks incredible and right now the colors and the 628 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.159 styles is so siding that I feel great about the company. I always do. 629 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.159 I wear the men's wear all the time. I've had situations where I've 630 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.440 gone to big events and been interviewed in TV or the radio, and someone 631 00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.320 comes up to me in the microphone and like they always do, who you 632 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.559 wearing? And here I am, this big shot with big company and they 633 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.440 said, well, I'm wearing a DKNY and they laugh and say, no, 634 00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.119 you're not. Actually have one on the internet where you could see me. 635 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.239 They asked me what suit I'm wearing, and I say dec and Y 636 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.119 and opened it up and there's the DCNY label. Great fashion, It fits 637 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:34.679 well, it looks right. It's designed to make you comfortable in the city, 638 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.119 goes from day and to night. You can wear it in the morning 639 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:38.679 and wear in the afternoon and you look cool at night as well. It's 640 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.360 great for the office as great Felisia. But I was talking about the dcmy 641 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.639 active ware. The first time I really became aware of that. Jesse and 642 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.880 I were up at Sirius Radio. He was doing a job for Sirious. 643 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.360 He does Dan Abrams show, he fills in on the Potus Network, and 644 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:58.519 we're in the lobby and this hip hop group came up. Well, this 645 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:05.599 really great looking Latino singer girl young, beautiful, and she's wearing a dkm 646 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.039 Y sports bar and I said to myself, this is amazing. Actually went 647 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.760 to Macy's to see it, and I'm excited about the brand. And I'll 648 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.719 tell you why. Ladies. Dk Y always has great fashion for work, 649 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:21.320 always wonderful dresses and things that you'd wear. Their accessories are great, the 650 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.719 shoes are always very cool. But activewear in particular right now looks sensational. 651 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.960 And being that everyone's affleisure in activewear, it's a great time DCMY go take 652 00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.760 a look. As one of the world's most celebrated fashion designers, car Lagofeld 653 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.559 was renowned for his aspirational and cutting edge approach to style. His unique vision 654 00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:45.159 of Parisian ship comes to America through Carlagofeld Paris. He has women's collections, 655 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.840 men's collections, ready to wear, accessory, shoes and bags. The fashion 656 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.320 house car Lagafeld also offers a range of watches. I wearing premium fragrances. 657 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:58.719 You can explore the car Lagofel collection at Karligofeld Paris dot com. But it's 658 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.679 more than that. I love to shop. I love going around and seeing 659 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:06.840 what's happening and what catches my attention, what would make me feel good to 660 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.480 wear now. I don't wear the women's wear obviously, but I can appreciate 661 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.760 it and may look amazing. If you want to look right, you want 662 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.199 to have clothes that fits you well. You want to look like you're wearing 663 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:22.079 something that's very expensive, that's exclusive for you and yours. You can find 664 00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:27.840 it at very affordable prices at Macy's so Carlgafel dot com, Paris. The 665 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.639 women's ready to wear fashion is extraordinary, as well as the handbags in the 666 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:37.119 shoes. I for one wear men's clothes, and unlike my appreciation of women's 667 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.679 clothes, I'm a modern guy. I want to look current. I want 668 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:43.119 to look the way I want to feel. I go out at night, 669 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.559 I'm in black and Carlagafelt is my buddy. Clothes are great, they fit 670 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.440 great, and they have little tweaks and touches, whether it's a stripe on 671 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.920 the sleeve or button at the neck or on the shoulder. There's a lot 672 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.320 of details that go into Carl Agafeld because he's always been, he always had 673 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.320 been one of the world's great This signers and this legacy and goes on and 674 00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.440 on. I can't speak enough about it except to say to you, you 675 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.840 want to feel good about yourself. You want to know that you're dressing properly. 676 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:13.840 You want close that fits you well. Carl Lagafeld, Paris at Macy's 677 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:19.360 or Karlfel dot com. Welcome back, Joe Always in Fashion. Here's your 678 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:24.119 host, Mark webber tonight's show. Is even the appearance of impropriety, even 679 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:29.920 just looking like you did something wrong is bid in public life. Jesse, 680 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.000 I'm going to give you the last word. I am a fan of Donald 681 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.760 Trump. I feel that his policies helped the country. I believe that he's 682 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:45.519 being unfairly targeted and attacked. I believe the government is acting unilaterally against Trump 683 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.559 and doesn't deal with other people in the same fair way. Please tell me 684 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.320 where I'm wrong. This isn't about his policies. And I know they say 685 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:59.360 it's a two tiered system and that Biden's getting favorable treatment and Trump is not. 686 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.760 It's two different cases, two different situations, and you have to look 687 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.800 at each one specifically. Look, we'll see what happens with his legal cases. 688 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.880 It looks like he's about to be hit with a fourth indictment. People 689 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.440 are going to look at this and say, of course it's political, that's 690 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.320 what it looks like. But I'm a lawyer, and I look at each 691 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.599 fact. I look at each case, and I'm going to see how it 692 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:22.039 goes. And legally speaking, it doesn't look great for him. But we 693 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.480 know that there's a lot of time between now in the election, and my 694 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.559 advice to everyone stop listening to the noise on the left and the right. 695 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.400 Follow the law, Trust the law. That's what we have to do. 696 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.320 And with that, I would say to you, this is Mark Webber, 697 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.840 no more politics for me. I can't take it anymore. I have to 698 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.920 be able to sleep at night. I'll deal with other human mutants. Speaking 699 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:52.199 of which, I saw Oppenheimer great, great movie that I didn't enjoy that's 700 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.719 the best rating in that movie you're ever going to get. It was an 701 00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.679 amazing, well crafted movie. I didn't enjoy any of it. Was it 702 00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.280 because of the subject matter? Was it because of the way they were talking 703 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.639 and how it was all over the place? What was it? No? 704 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:07.719 I didn't think anything was all over the place. What it was was a 705 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.760 deep rooted study in human nature and I don't particularly like humans, and it 706 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.719 only reinforced it with that as a backdrop. It's great being with you, 707 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:22.000 Jess, great being with you. Thank you. Unfortunately, a lot of 708 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:27.119 inappropriate stuff going on right now. With that, good night, We'll talk 709 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:27.679 to you soon.