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But here we are. How are you this Friday night? There?
Doing pretty good. It's it's been a week of winter weather. I've been
freezing on butts off up here all week. It finally got warm a little
bit today, so get a bunch of rain on Sunday and then the temperatures
are going to bottom out again, be in the fifties of the days.
It's that song of year when there's years almost curts. So he about a
month park at four point thirty and the things will start picking up after the
first of the year. But other than that, we're just trying to get
the job wrapped up before we close down at Christmas. So I've been pretty
hectic. But reading the news today, trying to catch up on some things.
I heard you mentioned the eight Sure not. CNN has announced that they're
going to have two debates for the republicansikes, so they're not over with you
yet. Yeah, and I wonder what their criteria is going to be to
to see if you qualify to be on the debate. You know, they've
been whittling them down based on based on fundraising and uh, let's see what
else was it? Oh, percentage in the polls is how they wield them
down so far. But we were down to what people, Yeah, there
was four. CNN will open it bocked up. Yeah, hang on a
second, because you're going a little robotics, So just uh hang back for
a minute and see if it builds up for you and your mic works a
little better, your transmission works better. But just to cap something you're talking
about while we wait, Yeah, this last debate, there was four people
on the stage from what I could see I was listening to it, but
I did look at some images afterwards. It appears to me as though there
was only four people on the stage. I mean, just because I didn't
hear from them doesn't mean they weren't there. There was a couple of times
with those massive debates, you couldn't tell who was talking. But yeah,
it looked to me like Chris Christy, Nicki Haley you know Dysantis, right,
and who was the final one there? Uh Rami Swami? Okay,
And yeah, interesting News Nation ran this last one, which in conjunction with
the c W, which I found really odd as a combination. But I
gotta say they kind of put some tough questions to people. They kind of
didn't let it get too far out of control. It wasn't quite as bad,
although there was some you know, shade fired during this particular event.
People went after a few things there against each other, got a little personal.
Sounded like to me Nicki Haley personally kind of barking back at people,
claiming others were liars and everything else, just constantly saying, well, I
did this in Florida, and I did that in Florida. A lot of
stuff flying back and forth, and Chris Christie somehow, I don't know how
krispy Kreme, Governor chrispy Kreme of New Jersey has continued to survive in this
equation regardless. I mean, does he have any support? He was being
booed constantly. Yeah, go ahead and Pete, now, let's see if
your sound is better. I think I was just as sad. I think
Christy the only reason he qualifies is based on his war chest for when he
was running in the past. You know, he's been able to build up
some money. But he's just he's there's the anti Trump boil. I mean,
that's the only purpose he's serving, you know. So he's just kind
of out there and you know, left field, which is kind of funny.
You know, we've got we're down to four people now on these debates
and the number one contender supposedly isn't even showing up. I'll find that interesting.
Yeah, and there he is. You know, Christy was kind of
funny. Made one comment. He said, you know what if Trump gets
convicted of a felony, the funny thing is that he wouldn't be able to
vote in some states where he might be eligible to vote otherwise. If he's
convicted of a felony, that would be interesting. But I doubt that that's
going to happen. You're good. I don't think he'd be able to vote
in North Carolina. I think we have a yeah, because they just passed
the rule past the law a couple of years ago that people that were out
on parole could vote. She had to be out on parole. You know,
you can't vote in prison, and if you're a felon, I think
you get that back now once you get out and get off parole. If
you're a felon, you get your right to vote. That well, in
Jersey, you couldn't vote the time. In Jersey, you couldn't vote.
And you also weren't allowed state licenses for many years of any kind. If
there was an a license issued by the state of New Jersey, like literally
my my first stepfather couldn't have a license to be You had to have a
license to be a barber for some reason in certain places, and you couldn't
get that issued if you had a felony conviction, because that was his big
complaint is that he would have been a barber instead of the dope dealer arm
robber that he was. So you know, it's just it's to have something
fall back on. It is it is, you know, and apparently,
I mean, look, one was way more. I mean, haircuts are
not as lucrative as heroin, so you know, it was what it was.
But anyway, no, I find it interesting for sure. Uh the
debate was, you know, but it was kind of I don't know what
you thought of it all together. But I say we start to go to
the callers. We've got one waiting on the line. I'm hoping more will
join him, but I'm fairly certain this guy's got something to say about the
debates if you don't mind. But before we get too deep into the show,
I want you to uh also hopefully your your transmission will continue to improve,
because I want to get to the Hunter Biden story that you sprung on
me, because I was totally unaware that there was any movement in that case
until you told me, because, like I said, I was too busy
breaking stuff and stubbing my toes to uh watch the news today. But anyway,
let's let's get to the caller. We got Harlan on the line,
and Uh, you're up first this time. Harlan. What's happening? What's
on your mind this week? It feels good to be number one, well
much better than number two in a lot of people's books or toilets. Yeah,
are in their mouth, Yeah, on their platform. Yeah, what's
going on the Yes, I watched the debates other than that, and it
seemed like it was probably the best rand one that we've had so far.
Or CNN's supposed to be waiting to see if the GOP will of offer as
the other say debates. I did say that. Yeah, I don't know
why they wouldn't, though, Harlan, because here's the thing. They had
one on NBC, you know, Lester Holt was literally part of the equation
at one point, so why not do it on CNN. I don't think
CNN is more of an enemy to the GOP than than MSNBC is I mean,
unless I miss something, Although I got to give it to News Nation,
I did not expect them to be the the better Uh you know,
what do you call that? Facilitators? You know, I didn't expect them
to run the tighter ship, you know, because they're they're a fairly new
entity in the news business, et cetera. And they were partnered up with
the CW, so it actually might have gone out on what is digital broadcast
TV. And uh, indeed they did run a much tighter debate than anybody
else has so far, I think even Fox Right. Yeah, I mean,
it just seemed like it just overall went better it seems like they did
a better job, and like they wasn't how would you say they wouldn't badging
them the desk if they went just a little over you know what I'm saying.
That's what it seemed like to me. But I thought overall, it
was just a lot better platform and you know, debate, and I mean
maybe they was trying to get noticed. You know, out of the crowd
were Fox and MSNBC and CNN is seen as just such shields or whatever side
of the coin. You know, people wants to think about it. Well,
and even though news Nation identifies itself as like a Christian conservative entity,
right, the odd thing was they were not afraid to hit them with a
couple of wicked, uncomfortable questions towards the end too, I thought, because
I mean they even at one point that I don't remember the lady's name,
but she went to Swami to say, hey, you know what, you're
even turning around and doing the whole not calling Nicki Haley by the name Nikki
or whatever. I forget what her Indian name is, because I just think
of her as Nicki Haley. But uh, you know, you're shaming her
based on this what is with that which you know, normally a mainstream news
entity would not want to touch that because how many different politically incorrect rails are
you going to hit doing that? Asking the Indian guy if he's shaming the
woman for being an Indian? Right? I mean, oh, what are
we doing here? Uh? And they also let the abortion debate fly a
little bit too, a little more than I expected from the conservative outlet.
What was your thoughts on that? You know, I thought they like I
said, they did pretty good. They nailed h Krispy Kreme? Is you
cowing down on his comments on the general mutilation of the young children? And
he didn't really have nowhere to go just at their nichiep rad you know,
some left wing bullshit. I don't know why he just doesn't drop out and
go over and run with go Biden this time? Well see, now you
think that's the left wingist his position? I got a question for you and
b Peter definitely to the right of me, So I got a question for
you guys. How is it that that's a bad I know it's not the
preferred position at this time on that issue, but it's kind of a contradiction
because normally the conservative element would say that parents have supremacy when it comes to
making decisions about their children. Now, I know the idea is, okay,
this is abuse to allow for this, you know, sex change operations
and the use of hormones and all that. But at the same time,
there's other things that go on with kids where other people might call it abuse
as well. Cream you know, Krispy Kreme. To his credit, I
think was consistent here with what I think is a normal conservative position, which
is that parents do have the right to make their calls with their children,
even if the population disagrees with it. That should usually take supremacy unless there's
a direct See. Now there's where the problem comes in. Probably is what
you guys are going to tell me. But I wonder from each of you
real quick. Let me ask me Pete about it and go back to you
if you don't mind Harlan on this, because it was weird to me.
Did you catch that part of it? Be Pete? The whole thing with
Krispy Kreme there and the sex change, the sex reassignment stuff. Now is
he against it? Well not. What he's saying is no, he doesn't
like it, but the government should not be involved in that decision. It
should be between you know, like in other words, the parents get to
say what happens to the children, not the government, is the general position
he was taking. So question is isn't that the normal standard for a conservative
position, although there is an augment to it in this case because people make
another statement after it. But isn't that kind of a normal old school conservative
position where even when it came to spanking, when it came to you know,
corporal punishment, when it came to various things here that other people said,
oh, the states should get involved in this, and that that's usually
a democrat wants the state to intervene when it comes to parents making decision about
their children. And he's saying that I stand by the idea that no one
but me gets to say what happens to my children, and that should be
the way that the government's attitude is not the government's involvement in that decision.
So it's a thing, what do you say. I don't know that it's
I don't know if you could call it a standard conservative view in that yes,
most people they call themselves concer servatives. The parent has a choice.
However, there are some relics. Oh, Carlin, I'm gonna mute you
because we're getting a bit of air, but I'll come back to Yeah,
I'm going to come back to you. Sorry, be Pete, you're getting
interrupted by Harlan's noise, but go ahead. You were saying, Yeah,
there are some members of the Republican Party that feel that the government should get
involved. And the reason that they have to get involved is because you have
government agencies in that that are mandating certain things take place. So, you
know, you you've got to get the government out of it. You have
to get the government in it deeper than they are now to fight it out.
But yeah, I guess you could say that is the standard conservative position
that the parents have a right to decide what happens to their child, right,
you know, But you've got you've got medical agencies, you've got hospitals,
you've got child services that all are are making themselves involved. But you've
got you've got some municipalities that have passed ordinances saying that, yeah, this
can happen. You know, you can't interfere if they feel that it's in
the best interests of the child, and some court decrees that, then you're
fighting government to keep them from doing what you don't want done to your child.
It's getting to be real sticky. Now. Well that's that's what we
didn't have fifteen years ago. This wasn't an issue because it wasn't pushed to
the forefront of everything. Now, for some reason, considering the amount of
transgenders that there are in the population, they seem to be getting a lot
of attention for things that they want and demand. And I mean they are,
they're they're a sliver of a minority, and they're being pushed to the
front of the agenda when it comes to so many things. I don't understand
it neither. Just write it off to the Let me pull it out of
that soup for a second and ask you the question in a different way,
because generally speaking, I thought that the nanny state approach was usually a liberal
thing. I hate it. By the way, I am against this.
I stand on the side of well, hang on a second. Yes,
I don't want to keep on this issue because I want to go to something
else to compare it for a second. Because here's the thing. I would
normally say that a parent makes that decision. There are people out there that
say, look, If you expose your kids to things like guns too early,
you're abusing them. If you expose them to different things that are more
adult in nature too early, you're abusing them. If you use corporal punishment,
which I don't utilize very much myself, but I have utilized it,
okay in the raising of my children. I don't think that the government has
a right to come in and take my child away for that. There is
a difference between discipline and abuse, and it is a fine line. But
I'm not all for just the you know, straight up beating of children,
all right. You know, although there are people that are for it,
I think that that is more or less the parents supreme domain to figure out,
right, and most times I would say decisions need to be made by
parents in almost all cases. I don't like government agencies like your child protective
services. And you know, in New Jersey we had something called dyfis.
These people would get involved and literally take over your control from your children.
They would take them away from you if you made poor decisions, if something
happened due to a you know, kind of a mishap, you know,
you lose track of your kid in a store, they want to take away
your child, you know, stuff like this, and I think that the
government, government needs to get the hell out of the business. Well,
hang on, government needs to get the hell out of the business of figuring
that out. Indeed, there are some parents who endanger their children. But
is it at all times something that the government needs to be involved in.
I think there's been too much of it. I think that it's been pushed
by the left. And here's the weird part of it. Now, the
more conservative elements say, look, we need to get the government involved here
because this is a form of abuse and damage being done to a child.
It is the same argument. It's on a different plane, but it's the
same argument. This is a parent doing damage and we need to step in
and protect the child. Right. That is literally the same position that a
liberal takes when it comes to one hundred other things of much less importance.
Maybe, but still it's weird to me to hear this, and odd because
Krispy Kreme basically is standing by what I always thought of as a much more
conservative position, which is, parents make those decisions, the government should not
be involved. Whether it's sex education, it's uh, you know, exposure
to a chemical substances, it's training or teaching them about guns or weapons or
anything else in the world. Uh, the government is not the arbiter of
what is appropriate and what is not appropriate, and should not be making decisions
on behalf of the child. I would think that that's a solidly conservative position.
But again, like I said, the left often, you know,
defaults to the nanny state, that the nanny state knows better, the village
knows better than that. And well, but that's why you have certain elements
in the in the Republican Party that are pushing for government to get involved.
Because it's worked its way down to the local school boards, where schools are
passing resolutions and rules about keeping from parents the decision of a child that goes
to a counselor and says, I'm a guy, but I feel like transition.
I'm in the process of transitioning to a female, so I prefer these
pronouns and I want this, and I want that, and the school basically
hides it from the parents. It's gotten to the point that now Republicans want
government to get involved to keep things like that from the other side of government
from happening. Right. Well, it's just a big spiral. Yeah,
it's going to continue down. Well, parents don't have it's no longer.
Parents don't have the absolute right anymore. That's been taken away from them for
quite some time, right, And I don't know that you're going to be
able to revert back to that. Oh, yes, I understand and agree
with you. But here's the thing. It's dozens of circumstances where this has
already occurred. When it comes to abortion. You know what, parents don't
have a right to know in a lot of places. When it comes to
drugging kids, they'll turn around and say, you can't even send your kids
to school unless they're properly drugged because they had a behavior problem. We've evaluated
their psychological risk to themselves, to other people. They're a problem. They
need to be drugged, they need to be this. They have turned around
and induced chemicals into kids that screw up their brains plenty already. And tell
you the truth, most of the liberals were just fine with that government involvement
there to push drugs down their throats. Government involvement there to hide abortion,
government involvement there. And I understand the idea of hiding the abortion thing because
I've seen some negative things happen when you got a pregnant child, and if
they don't get a chance to take care of it on their own, they
might lose a lot of things, and their parents, you know, throw
them on the street and things like this. It happens. I get it,
I get the philosophy, But again and again, I feel like it's
already been done this way. Now, what the conservative element is asking here
for to intervene, to have the government intervene, is really based on what
the opposite side of the equation has done now for the past i don't know,
three decades, pushing psychotropic drugs, pushing psychological solutions, pushing legal solutions
onto kids through the school systems, through the localists, and that, and
turning around and saying, we can't even have your child in your home or
in the school unless you drug them, unless you have them with yet psychiatric
evaluations, unless they've been hospitalized, unless they've been put through this that third
thing. Psychological evaluations and labels have been applied to kids, whether it's for
learning disabilities or it's for emotional disabilities, et cetera, et cetera. And
now they're confronted with this problem because of the transgender issue, which again is
ridiculously amplified because, as you point out, it's a sliver of a minority,
not even a minority, really a sliver of a minority that is being
focused on here. And yet we find reverse positions, like I said,
where the people that normally I think would say what you know, Krispy Kreme
is saying, you know, Governor Christie, what he's normally saying is that,
you know, parents should make those decisions. Yeah, that's the way
it stood thirty years ago, but that is no longer viable position. Yeah,
but to a degree, you could argue that taking that position is a
fallacy because we're never going to go back to the point. You know,
Conservatives basically believe in smaller government. The less the government interferes with my daily
life, the better, right, and that goes for everything from your local
municipality to your school boards to the federal government and the craft that they have
to put up with. Yep, those days are over. There's no unless
you completely overhaul our system of electing people to represent us outside of the two
parties, well one party, the uniparty. Until that happens, it's not
going to change. So, you know, although he may say he you
know, likes that position. He feels that's the best one where the parents
make the decisions. You know, good luck to that, because thank god
I don't have any kids. I haven't had to go through this, because
I probably would have been in jail a thousand times just over the craft that
the school system is dumping on kids and parents. So, you know,
there, before the grace of God, go I because I don't have to
have that battle. It's impossible. I feel sorry for anybody that has to
raise kids today because of the amount of craft that they have to put up
with from government about their kids. Exactly. I'll tell you one of the
great one of the best improvements for me from moving, you know, from
up north from a purple or bluish state to a red state. Let me
tell you what the biggest improvement was for me is that, indeed, people
got the hell out of my business a lot more in general, So in
the bluer state, in the purpleish state of Jersey, in the blue state
of New York, and the purple state of Jersey. All right, guess
what people got in your business. You had a snitch based culture up there
where you know, even if your kid didn't do anything legally wrong, if
they offended a neighbor. The next thing you know is you're being investigated by
a state agency. And if they help to turn up criminal things, you
know, they'll turn around and find you know, you have a gun charge.
They'll catch you with a bag of weed before they legalized weed in Jersey.
They'll catch you with a bag of weed because they're checking in on a
child abuse allegation. You'll wind up getting charged because they were digging into you
to protect your child in quotes right, You'll wind up getting charged for that,
or they'll find out you have an illegal hookup to something or whatever else.
They'll bust you and wind up running a search on you based on your
you know need. You know they're there, they can just walk right in
there. And half the time these are social workers, not even law enforcement
people who grab lawd enforcement people back of the mouth. And I'm just saying
that that's one element here that's crazy. So go ahead, Well, there's
there's been a recent development in California that kind of shows how ridiculous the whole
thing is. Gotten. They now have regulations in place covering toy stores or
any stores like Walmart, they sell toys, okay that you now have to
have a gender neutral toy section, gender neutral toy section for toys, or
you face fines and your business license could be pulled. That's how ridiculous it's
gotten. So when you set up your toy display in Walmart, you know,
you can't group all this stuff together where the good It's like shopping.
You go down this aisle for men's stuff, you go down this aisle for
women's stuff. You go down this aisle for girls stuff. You go down
this aisle for boy stuff. You can't do that in the toy section anymore.
You cannot separate things. And I'm sure they're going to get the clothing
here before it's too long. But that's how big government has crept it.
Yeah, they're going to have to. If you can't sell hot wheels to
boys and barbies to girls, you know, then god forbid you sell you
know, pants to a boy or a skirt. You're gonna have to have
skirts in the boys section. Now. It's just crazy, but that's how
this thing has snowballed, and government has found its way to stick its tentacle
into every little aspect that they can I mean, it's just typical of how
ridiculous has gotten. So look, Harlan is held on. We lost another
caller, but call back in, dude, because I want to get around
everybody's view on this. Please kick in, because I'm just trying to throw
it on the table as best I can, and I want people to think
about this aspect. Because I was listening to Governor Christy and saying to myself,
as much as I hate to admit this, that I agree with him.
That is the way it should be. It's nice to hear from politicians
sometimes things that should be Bpete points out, though it's absolutely not legitimately realistic
at this point because of the point we're at. I mean, you're telling
me that the whole controversy a couple of years ago about whether they can make
mister and missus potato head anymore or now we need a I don't know they
them potato head because you gotta have generor neutrality has to be represented in a
toy store. I mean, you know, you just have to have you
just need to have a potato with pronouns. With pronouns, well, can
you stick a different pronoun on it? Like along with the hat and the
mustache and stuff. Is that a possibility? Well, they may have to
change it from mister and missus potato head to what is sis? Sis?
Would? Okay? Cis gender means you're like what we used to call normal
this potatoes versus well, what would you call a trans potato? That's what
I'm trying to figure out is what is the right term because they you know,
their pronoun is they and then right, so they're not a he or
pato people potato people. Yeah, it can't be a mister or missus potato
head. It would have to be potato people. Is people acceptable anymore?
Because you don't know, there's people like, you know, anti species is
I'm serious because there are people out there that say, well, actually I'm
this different species. I'm just doing a human form at the moment, and
I go, yeah. The Indians talked about that too, and they said
that was a spirit animal. But they weren't stupid enough to believe that that
was actually them. They were just channeling the spirit. Do you to,
well, do you have to segregate out the perthy potatoes? Well, there
you go. The birth giving potato is not necessarily man or woman or male
or female, even though male and female are more agricultural or you know,
what do you call it animal husbandry terms? They're actually not for humans.
But okay, man or woman? No, no good? What is the
they them? What is the other? Oh that's right, there's twenty six
choices now right, But what is it? Is it A? Is it
a Z? You know, at one point somebody said he should be a
Z. And if you did make it a Z and say anything other than
the he or the she is now a Z. No, I don't make
it a Z because the British people say Z and it just sounds stupid.
Oh yeah, okay, so instead of you know, mister and missus and
Z, it would be Z. Like if you, if it was you
would be zed be pete. Right, what the hell does that? I
guess if you were a post, if you were a past potato, it
would be said by old by old British standards and all these things that happened
to be or stuffed off your ass your ass, yes, of course,
all right, then let's go back to Harland, who's still on the phone.
And by the way, let's have Jimmy James call back in because I'm
as certain that Jimmy James might have a few viewpoints to offer on this particular
issue. Okay, Harland, you're back on the line. Well, since
it's just me, uh give me a little play here and I'll give you
my opinion about this. Please do first of all, before we move on,
I won't talk about just real quickly about ram Swammy and his use of
Leo khon Nicky is you know, given Indian name, mister pharmaceutical billionaire.
You know, back in the day over in East Tennessee, some of us
would have said his Indian name was you know, Forkid Needle. Yeah.
Because he's telling one lie or another and he's four something that he's against it,
he hates Trump and I was kissing his ass all this having. Besides
that, I'm gonna move on this whole thing. What a lot of people's
talking about. I'm talking about the mainstream people on this, these young people
and this gentle little mutilation and this tran stuff. I don't think there's that
many people is ready to have a fit because little Johnny's, you know,
wearing a dress or whatever. But you know, a parent cannot give you
a beer if you're under twenty one. Any kind of alcohol, of drugs
about you know, severe failing these in a lot of cases, right and
severe you know, reconcussions from what I understand, or you know, several
years ago. I don't know about now, but a parent cannot you know,
sim Oh, Harlan might have hung up on himself there. I want
you guys to know. I did not cut him off. Uh, he
just suddenly disappeared from the line. But look, Harlan or anybody else listening.
Three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six,
I literally have ninety nine open lines, so you guys can join in.
Oh, but he was a good thing there, Yeah, go ahead.
Nicky Haley's given middle name is Nicky. So we went through this back when
one of the Sunny whatever name is hosting on the view made a disparaging comment
about Nicky Haley not using her real name. Well, her real name is
Nicki. Her first name is Nimarata, her middle name is Niki, her
maiden name is rond Halla, and her married name is Haley. So she
goes by a given name. I don't know why people still have this thing
about Oh, she's not Indian enough because she goes by Nicki. Well,
her mother named her that, so give her a break. Yeah, Nikki
n I kk I is part of her regular name. You know, she's
one of those people with what looks like two middle names. Well only because
she's married. And no, she doesn't have two middle names. Her name
is her married Before she got married, her name was Nimurata Nikki Randhawa.
Okay, when she got married it she still goes by the Niki. Yeah,
her married name is Hailey, so she knows she's She did one of
those very liberal things where you know, you could hyphenate or you could add
right to the names, her husband's name, and she took her husband's name
and added it as opposed to removing the what they would call a maiden name.
Probably none of this stuff is politically correct that I'm saying right now.
But his wife she always went by her middle name. She didn't like her
first name, so her whole life she was known as her middle name.
So you know, it's not uncommon for people to go by their middle name
because they don't like their first name. Right, No, that happens.
I've known plenty of people where like there was one guy one of my stepfathers.
Again, I could point you very easily. He went by the name
Rick. His actual name was Eric, but he just people called him Rick.
Look, people call me Chuck. That's not my legal name. But
at one point, you know, somebody tried calling me by my middle name.
I didn't like it, so I didn't go with it. But you
know, it's just a thing. I mean, I don't get it,
except that there are people that say what she's doing is being ashamed of her
background by not acknowledging her first name. But like you said, it could
very easily be I mean, look, missus Zoe, I call her kim
Technically speaking, it's Kimberly, which, by the way, there are men
named Kimberly, which I find very odd. But you know, in today's
society, God help us. I mean, who knows what could happen there.
But Harlan appears to be back, so I want to let him continue
with what he was saying, if you don't mind. But this is an
interesting thing about this with Ramaswami and attacking her on this, Uh you know,
are you Indian enough kind of thing? So I want Harlan to continue
from there. I didn't cut you off, Harlan. I don't know why
you dropped and you might have hung up on yourself. Okay, that was
on my this does since I got this day, that's it. But I
won't pulling out you know, I don't think that. I mean, who
cares what she's using? You know what I mean? I think, you
know, Ramswamy is beating a dead horse, you know, pulling that trick.
You don't I'm saying, I just don't understand that. I guess that's
some kind of you know, some of their inner racial thing that it might
insult you know, her more than it would you know, the average person
or whatever. Well, maybe he just figures it's hard. Maybe he just
figures it's harder to call him racist because he's got, you know, some
skin in the Indian game. Is that maybe the possibility here? Yeah?
Yeah, probably so. And you know I would agree with him a lot
more on what he says than what she says. I won't point that out,
but you know, I think he's I've seen too many things. He's
lied and he's flip fluffed on just here in the last couple of years.
And then there's a clip running around of him and Mayor Pete was was it
on Roland Martin or Al Sharpton or something on MSNBC just so happened to be
setting out in the audience. I mean, what's the odds, you know.
And I'm not hoping not against him as much as just you know,
he was telling the truth on Trump a year or so ago, and now
he you know, he cannot run quick enough to pull vacuum on one side
of Trump's ass. I mean from books have ever seen. But back to
what I was saying about the stuff with Krispy Kreme and you know and DeSantis,
the differences between them, you know, Luck, I was saying,
there's a lot of states at one time, for as I know, you
couldn't let a underage, you know, kid get a tattoo, whether if
it was my own or a sleeve or you know, all over their body.
And all most people were saying, here isn't a lot of people on
the right and don't like this, but at least let them wait till they
get old enough, you know, to know what they want to do.
How many people right now that's thirty five, forty five, fifty five years
old. Sally was into some kind of fad, you know, fifteen twenty
thirty years ago that they're ashamed of now, but you know they've not you
know, been cut on or get it. And you know, I think
myself a lot of this is just another you know, medical industrial gimmick because
things set back and sell these people anal treatments and medicines for the rest of
their life, especially if they're want to. You know, most of these
transgenders or sexuals or whatever, you know, the male the female. From
what I understand over the here, they still got the lower equipment and most
of them are not gonna get that cut off. Now, if you've got
a ten, twelve, thirteen, fourteen year olds, you might be able
to put that in their mind, you know what I'm saying. But once
you go to you know, taken off, think no putting back. But
see that's the thing, it's permanent. Right. So well, here's here's
the point that I see, right, And that's what's curious about this is
I don't understand how it is that people couldn't just say, look, drop
all the rhetoric. How about the simple limitation that it's a permanent alteration,
just like in the case of a tattoo, which I think is sensible honestly,
that you don't require anything else other than, look, somebody's got to
be at least of age to go and put ink on their skin, which
is not completely irreversible, but it's difficult to reverse, you know. And
I'm somebody with tattoos, right. I don't think that you need to have
that before the age of at least consent and at least whatever people want to
deem as adulthood, whether it's eighteen or twenty one. You know, you
could play in that area. Do I think people are fully developed at that
time? No, But I mean at some point you got to let them
be adults. And I'm thinking same thing for a beer, same thing for
if you made twenty one all right, the thing and also if you did
it for people. See now, other people would say, what about the
military? You can go and die and you can do this if you're eighteen,
okay, fine, But I mean if you made everything pretty much eighteen,
or you made everything a twenty one year area where your parents need to
protect you up to that point, but after that your decisions are yours,
I would I would be for that, and it should be done across the
board on all this stuff. In my mind, and that to me,
is not a nanny state position, that's just sanity. Am I Am I
wrong on this? Harlan? What do you think? No, no,
no, you're on you know kind of saying, you know, track,
I will phone out a few most things. They wrapped this up at the
bait okay. Uh see when when I wars Jesus was you know, kaying
and everything? They slipped in a stale or where you had big twenty one
to purchase any tobacco products. Ramsay said you had to be eighteen, but
I actually got to be twenty one before you can buy a cigarette now across
the board every state in America. It's been like that for it's probably three
or four years now. Also cars about parent rights and everything, Well,
first of all, be Pete was going, you know, kind of a
direction where I'm fixing to go to. And you know, if anybody's got
any virgineers, now would be the time to skip over a few minutes ure
you know, turn it down or whatever, because I'm gonna tell it just
like it is. First of all, what kind of rights do you have
as a parent if for any and any reasoning to show up and you know,
parent bed you see what I'm saying, there's all kinds of talk about,
you know, once from the time they get on that school bus the
time they get back off. You know, basically, you know, the
school owns them. I do think that they should be responsible forever. If
that's the case, you know, my school and my bus driver, goody
else that'd be responsible for I'm still calling mommy and Daddy says they was under
their care and control. You see what I'm saying. But you know,
look, you can't sit here and tell you kids you can go out these
same you know, little humans that you can say, yeah, honey,
you know, will get you some you know, some fake boobs, and
you can go over here and you can start, you know, doing whatever
with grown people. Just like they can't tell them they can do that.
Why in the hell can they sit here and say, oh, yeah,
honey, you can do all this. I mean, it's just this total
bullshit. Christy is a cocksucking piece of shit in my opinion, and he's
it's good that he said some of this stuff that he is brought out,
he's actually told the truth. But he's just basically, you know, a
round about liberal cocksucker that's got a ro next to his name because he's got
some republic downer, so he's a polate status more or less. And I
think it's really one of the only reasons why that you know, he is
even got art next to his name. Besides that, when's the last time
as a Republican ever, you know, been elected in New Jerseys. Now,
if you were, yeah, well no, we we get governors.
But it swings back and forth. But the reason why you have any Republican
governors or Republicans that are selected in New Jersey is because of their law and
order stance. It's the only reason. It's not because of the conservative you
know, social issues. It's all about law and order. That is why
this guy was exactly the kind of guy who gets selected in New Jersey.
Because he was thought of as a law and order candidate. After we had
gone through a time period of you know, loose corruption and this and that,
this guy was meant to be come in and you know, clean it
up. Of course, he was corrupt as anybody else. That's how he
got to be the you know, this is New Jersey politics. But in
truth, the Republicans that gets selected in New Jersey are only there because it's
always thought of and I thought of this this way when I was younger.
Republicans on a local level especially, will bring you more law and order directly.
Now, the problem is, you're exactly right with Christy. The reason
why he is acceptable at all in Republican establishment circles or ever was, is
because he's willing to take the jack boot and put it on, especially all
of us troublemaking liberals. He's definitely willing to crack down on all those trouble
making hippies and problem children with the police state. He's exactly the guy who
introduces plenty of nanny state and throw the cops at the issue, you know,
send people in, get him arrested, break some heads. This is
Chris Christie's way. Now, he does it politely, he doesn't say it
straight up, but that's the reality of it. You're exactly right, and
that's exactly why he survived with that R in front of his name. But
otherwise he is a spineless He's not really committed anything. Now, he said
some right things recently, and he accurately tears up Trump in my mind,
but other than that, the guy is useless, absolutely useless. He's such
a whatever you want to call him. I mean, he's a guest hallophone
ammunition. See, from what I understand, you can't even have hallophone ammunition
in the Jersey citting for many years. Nope, it's at you even possessed
him. It's yeah, that's a felony possession in New Jersey. You know,
I can remember when that piece of shit was a governor up there and
all these you know, these pre maggotards was running around here, you know,
hollered my NRA and my freedom and all that, that bunch of scumbag
bullshit and screaming about all these gun bands. Well but them had them gun
bands in the Jersey, in the York, you know, some of them
had our last that they never did talk about him. And here's you know,
here's this flag wife and you know, allegedly fat portrait of Reagan.
O. God, he's still over New Jersey. What did he do?
Yeah, that's the time. You know. You know what's funny to me
about this, Harlan is that you, unlike most of the people on that
side of the equation. You know what they bitch about the fact that he
embraced Obama when Obama visited after Hurricane Sandy. Okay, after Superstorm Sandy,
he was there and like, thank you for giving us help from FEMA and
mister President, and he was polite to Obama. That is their big issue,
Like they don't look at any of the crap he pulled, at any
of the disaster he made in Jersey. They don't look at any of the
corruption. You think Bridgegate, that's what you got to hear about around the
country. I was cracking up the whole time when that was a big story,
going are you guys serious? This is the corruption you're pointing to.
So you're not going to look at all of the selective prosecution that went on
while he was governor. Forget about when he was a US attorney. When
he was governor, there was plenty of people basically getting away with all kinds
of murder in New Jersey so long as they were donating to the right party,
which was his party. It's not about Republicanism, It's about Chris Christie.
He is Jaba, the fucking hut governor of Jersey. That's it.
I just about said the effort almost completely out of my mouth. This guy
pisses me off. You can tell him jab of because I remember jabs.
Wasn't he that too? All in line with the vaccine, all in line
with anything that is. And you know what it is. It's not about
the philosophical he believes in science, and no it isn't. It is about
compliance with this guy. This guy is about you know what. I've got
people with badges. I've got people with badges, government titles, we have
government vehicles with markings on them. You know what you're supposed to do?
Obey? That is who he is. That yeah, And it doesn't matter
what philosophical where he stands on an issue, get out of here. That's
irrelevant. What it is is obey, comply. That is who he was.
That is the the culture he encouraged in New Jersey. That is you
know, just like in New York City when Rudy Giuliani took over as mayor.
Okay, the police there caught a different attitude immediately. All Right.
I'm not on the side of Sharpton, I'm not on the side of all
those political activists, and believe me, I'm not on the liberal side of
New York. But I will tell you this that as soon as Juliani stepped
in and took the reins as mayor, the behavior of the police changed again.
And every time you see a new regime coming to New York City,
the police take their cues from it. Okay, they were completely unchecked.
Well, Dinkins was in there, and they were encouraged to do bad stuff
while Juliani was in there. So this is what went on. And people
on the streets also took the cues. Why were there so many riots while
the Democrat was in there because he knew, or they knew, people knew
on the street that they were going to be unchecked. He was going to
turn his head, not back him up, not help out the cops,
not stand by him, not encourage him to be more violent or anything.
What he was going to do is turn his head and just I'm not seeing
you. That's what he did, and that's what I watched happen while I
lived there. Okay, And Juliani encouraged the police state. He encouraged an
absolute crackdown. You know, you get to a point where cops should be
patrolling a neighborhood and keeping an eye on things and all that. Great.
You see when a cop is willing to break your skull because you happen to
be on a street corner a little bit late, and you know, you
didn't move right away when they snapped an order at you and they beat you
down. That is a different Yeah, that's a different culture. And that
was being encouraged under Giuliani. But only if you were certain people. Other
people could be flat out criminals and do whatever the hell they wanted and they
were protected. The cops played the we don't see you game, and that
was encouraged from the top down. I'm certain that that's what's going on now.
But anyway, back to this with Krispy Kreme again, I lived there
in Jersey while he was governor. He encouraged the state troopers get more aggressive.
He wanted more aggressive policing, he wanted more aggressive tensions, he wanted
things. You know, this is what he wanted. That's what he got.
And as far as the rest of his policies go, he did nothing
but make a mass, nothing but make a mess, no progress, no
movement toward anything proper. You notice DeSantis in his short time as governor,
turned around on that stage and said several times, I signed this, I
did this. Now. I'm not saying he was entirely truthful with everything but
you see, DeSantis could point to stuff he did. Notice what Krispy Kreme
doesn't do, say I did this, I did that. Outside of hurricane
relief after Sandy, which he did actively participated. People were hurting, displaced,
and you know what, he allowed the state to try and help them
a bit. It took quite a while, and it took FEMA quite a
while, and I assure you it was about a month. If we didn't
have churches and people on the ground networking with each other, a lot of
people would have starved to death and everything else in New Jersey. Okay,
it wasn't the government that got the ball rolling, but they did finally come
a few weeks later and help out. Some give him that. So he
did move. And when Obama came and he thanked him, everybody's pissed at
that. It's stupid. That is a show for the media. So what
how about you look at what he did and what he didn't do. That's
just because we such stuff against Trump. I mean, if he'd never said
the thing against Trump had been the best thing since slice bread, and he
thanked Obama. They've been out telling people he made Obama come up first.
But in my clothing on him. This guy just ooses I've seen him over
the years, he ooses corrupt, control freak, dictating prick. That's what
he owses one hundred percent. You know. I you know, I'd gore
to see fucking Biden staying there's I with him because he ain't got a chance
of getting there. But you know, even Biden is not as that much
for the empty under control freak from what I've seen, and and he's done
all kinds of stupid shits that's under the control for you know, umbrella in
my opinion, Yes, but yeah, I got He's just he's just a
damn people for me. It's not like I've just seen him. He in
the last couple of months. I mean I've seen him for years. But
guys, he just stood out and everybody, Oh, look at a Republican
in New Jersey for so what I mean, who can I mean? So
what, Yeah, you've had You've had others, You've had others. I'll
go look at it, but uh you know, uh well we'll we'll we'll
just take a look at that real fast, because I know it's had gone
back and forth throughout the course of my lifetime. You know, What's weird
too, is that Nikki Haley is almost exactly the same age as me.
She's like four months older than me, I think, or three months older
than me, which I find weird. You know, here we go with
some Generation X representation at least. But I would prefer Nicki Haley over christ
Yeah, I would prefer Nicki Haley or DeSantis over freaking Krispy Kreme any day,
to tell you the truth. Uh, you know, but again,
I don't want to get too much into my opinions, and I want you
guys to join in out there. Three one nine five two seven five zero
one six b Pete, what do you have to say about this exchange between
me and Harlan over Krispy Kreme here? Well, yeah, to me,
it's just old toast. You know, Christy's done with He needs to just
go ahead and fade away and get a job on CNN or something as a
as a spokesman, I mean, I don't put any I don't put any
weight in anything he has to say or any of his positions. He's a
one term governor and so what what did he do? Nothing? You know,
he got away with what Bridgegate didn't do something about closing the bridge or
something there. Well, that's what you knew about is that he closed a
bridge to get back at a political rival who had screwed him over on something
else. But uh yeah, that that that that's about it. That sounds
typical. Yeah, that sounds typical. It is, you know, so
I really I just assume I'm just ready for Chris Christy. They're off into
the sunset and do something else. Right listening to him, but I just
I don't understand how he makes it onto the debate stage when you know,
even in the polls, the guy's got no, he doesn't have a clue.
He doesn't have a chance. So he doesn't have a clue about not
having a chance. Right now, here's the reason why Harlan says, you
know, when was the last time we had a Republican governor New Jersey?
Okay, here's the thing up to twenty eighteen. Okay, twenty ten to
twenty eighteen is Chris Christy. So he actually had multiple terms. But John
Cordy what two term governor? Uh? Well, what is that? That's
that's uh? I think we still have the two year deal up there,
right, So we got four either four two year terms or two four year
terms. I think it's four two year terms, believe it or not.
Really. Yeah, But anyway, before that, you had uh yeah,
John Corzine for four years. You had Jim McGreevy for two years, okay,
but McGreevy was a replacement, mind you. You know Richard Cody.
These are Democrats now that I'm listening. So Corzine, McGreevy, Cody.
And then you get to Bennett, okay, which was just in there for
two thousand and two as a Republican. That was during that time after Christy
Todd Whitman left, right, So you had de Francisco excuse me, de
Francesco, de Francesco whatever. He was there for like a minute between two
thousand and one and two thousand and two. And that's all because Governor Whitman
had left in two thousand and one to go ahead the EPA after being in
there from ninety four to two thousand and one. So from ninety four to
two thousand and two you had Republican governors, all right, just saying then
you had one Democrat for four years, Jim Florio, who they just about
ran out of Jersey on a rail over his taxes. Okay, I don't
know if if that got into the national conversation, but that was a big
deal. His big mistake was taxing toilet paper, by the way, that's
what outraged people in New Jersey. Anyhow, Before that, you had Republican
Thomas kan or Keane, depending on how you say his name. And then
you have the infamous Brendan Byrne, who was in there from seventy four to
eighty two. So from eighty two to ninety you had a Republican. From
ninety to ninety four you have a Democrat. From ninety four to two thousand
and two you have a Republican. You see what I'm saying, It swings
back and forth. So from two thousand and two to twenty ten, okay,
eight years there you have combo Democrats and then eight years of Christy.
So you know, almost in eight year cycles. It looks like to me,
if you go back far enough to where I was born, yeah,
like every eight years you have a big switch. And let's see, it
was Hughes up until nineteen seventy, and when I was born, it was
Republican government Governor Cahill who was there for four years from seventy to seventy four.
Then, like I said, the infamous Brendan Byrne, who the arena
was named after for no apparent reason, from seventy four to eighty two,
and that's the way it goes. So in about approximately six to eight year
cycles, you have it switching back and forth from Republican to Democrat. Although
the Christy Todd Whitman situation was weird because she resigned and ultimately it was turned
over to McGreevy who was run out of office and Corzin took over and then
I believe one one selection or two on his own. But McGreevy was run
out of office because he had given he had a fake family situation there where
his straight family was upfront to the public and his gay lover was working for
him, and he gave his gay lover a job, and that's why he
got run out of the governor's mansion in Jersey, which was too funny because
everybody knew it on the local level. And that's an odd thing that happened
in that time period that today would be a whole other situation, even though
it was really about the corruption of you know, bringing in uh, you
know, giving special job treatment to somebody you were personally attached to. That
was what the real problem was. But people did freak out also because he
was like the closeted gay governor. Anyway, Yeah, so you know,
New Jersey is a weird purple state in my mind because every six to eight
years we switch. We go, Okay, let's go Republican. That's not
working, Let's go Democrat. Okay, that's not working, Let's go Republican.
This is where it goes. And I think it legitimately sways that way.
That's why I call it that. But anyway, well, to refer
to our drive by from Jimmy James, and I don't know who he directed
this at, but his point number four, having never lived in real America,
you do not have an accurate perception on so called political parties and their
actual beliefs. Now. I don't know who he was directing that at,
whether it was me, you, or Harlan, but I you know,
it seems shocked making well, it just seems strange that, you know,
he would make a comment like that. I think I'm a little older than
he is. I've lived in real America. I know about political parties and
what they believe, and what their platforms are, and how they always abandon
them when it comes time to do whatever it is they're supposed to do.
So I mean, if that's the quality of comment we're going to get from
him, I'm glad he left. I mean, this is ridiculous. Well,
you know, I'm thinking that might have been directed at me because I
had talked about living in red states versus blue states, and I felt like
in the red states, at least people leave, you know, my personal
business the hell alone, a little more the state does. So I was
saying that in defense of living in what I consider to be a much more
red place. But people have this idea that Georgia is a blue state now
because of that Senate selection. But the truth is, again you're looking at
a situation where the two Republican candidates were both states up on corruption, really
all up to their That's this shit when it comes in most states in the
South and North Carolina's prime example of that. We've got a Republican legislature that
finally got control a few years back, and they have found a way to
keep control of it. Prior to that, what the Democrat fulled this place
for over one hundred years, we always seem to have a Democrat governor because
we can't come up with a decent Republican to run. Now, this next
election may be a change. But when it comes to federal government, you
know, we used to have one Democrat senator, one Republican senator. Every
now and then you'd end up with two of the same party. But here
lately it's been Republican senators. So you know, do you go from the
state level to the to the federal level. You see, it's a different
world when it comes to state politics versus federal politics. But you know,
having lived in red states, I mean you've lived in North Carolina and Georgia,
predominantly red states. Now North Carolina can be purple at times, but
they're turning more red, right. But I just don't understand somebody living,
you know, in the Upper Midwest thinks that, you know, where is
real America? So you can't get more real in Georgia. Well that's what
I'm thinking. To get more real in North Carolina and the other thing,
to get more real in California. Well, you know, California, like
it or not, it is part of America. But but the thing is
to me, it is a red stale thing and one other thing just real
fast. The reason why I brought it out is because it's the state enforcement
that is at issue when I'm talking about this parental rights problem. It is
the state and local enforcement that is my issue, because, look, the
federal government can say whatever it wants, but if the state child Protective Services
or your local school board is issuing decrees that you have to adhere to because
otherwise we're going to use legal mechanisms to eat either take away your children or
to punish you or in some cases jail you for not knowing what is supposed
to be the right thing. That's the issue I was talking about. And
I feel like it is less likely for those people to crawl up into your
butthole, okay, in Georgia and North Carolina than it was in Jersey,
because it happened all the time in Jersey, not just to me, but
people I knew where you had some sort of you know, snitch thing where
somebody would you know, anonymously report on you, and the next thing you
knew the police, the Prosecutor's office, child Protective Services, the school boards
involved. There are five six agencies that would descend upon you if you were
seen as being a bad parent. Now, the weird thing is, if
you lived in the right place, they didn't care. They ignored it.
That's the weird duality that would occur right where Like, you know, you
could beat your house to death as long as you were in a place that
they didn't care about. But if you lived in other parts of New Jersey,
you would have multiple arms of the state and local government descend upon you
personally. If you weren't making your kids go to school enough, if you
had been witnessed by somebody and reported on for having used physical force against your
kid, If you dragged your kid out of a place, even if they
were in the middle of you know, doing something harmful or crazy, or
they were drunk or stone if you grabbed them by the arm and yanked them
out of their hert, you might be brought up on charges. You might
have the school board down your throat. You might have them mandating that you
are medicated, you are drug tested because you don't control your child. And
that's the government getting involved in that whole circumstance. And some people like it
that way. I didn't, and I don't like it so, you know,
philosophically, I understand where Krispy Kremas. We have another caller, Harlan
was trying to get to something. But go ahead, be Pete and let's
turn it over to Yeah. Quick note to Harlan, I look up the
law in North Carolina alcohol law enforcement has decided that and this is based on
the statute that they will not enforce the twenty one year old requirement for purchasing
cigarettes. They said they will leave any enforcement of that up to the federal
authorities. So you have the stores put the signs up saying you got to
be twenty one. But in state of North Carolina, if a police officer
catches you with cigarettes and you're over eighteen, by law, they can't enforce
a violation. So I found that interesting. That's good. Yeah, it's
a weird mix. It's a weird mix because they've had a bit of back
and forth about this where you know, even with alcohol, if a kid
gets caught with alcohol, in some places, it's treated as a nothing.
They confiscate and that's the end of it, and they don't even issue a
citation. In other places, though, like in New Jersey, they literally
have a you know, a law you can break and be charged with,
and it's like a distribution to an underage person of alcohol or alcohol related products,
and it's a charge. It's a yeah. They do the same thing
here for alcohol. They kept it at eighteen for a while, but then
to get the Federal highway money. When the government said okay, well,
if you're going to keep it, because this happened in Louisiana, it was
eighteen for years, effort went twenty one everywhere else, right, Oh,
same thing here they can get different contributing to the delinquency and distribution of alcohol
to someone under twenty one, and they do enforce it. They do enforce
it quite heavily. So there you go. Some in some cases you have
played and there are places that you know, do selective enforcement, like for
instance, in North Carolina not too long ago, possession of cannabis at a
certain level, they decided we're just going to issue you a basic ticket,
not even arrestue. You know here it is it was a fifty or one
hundred dollars fine. In most places, that's what it begs. That's just
you get caught with under announce under announce so they can get you for filonious
possession. Yeah. For well, I think they start counting it as distribution
if you get over a certain weight, right, But only if you have
the paraphernalia for distribution, like if you have a box of baggies, or
you have a set of postal scales or then they can get you for distribution.
But if you just get caught with an ounce, they write your ticket.
I think it's one hundred and fifty dollars five, Okay, that's about
what it was, like maybe a hundred when I left, some one hundred
and fifty you know, inflation. But what's interesting to me is that that
goes on. And meanwhile, like I said, in Jersey, though you
could turn around, you could have half a joint in your ash tray.
You get pulled over for speeding, and the next thing is you could get
they'll just stack charges and you'll wind up pleading to possession because they say,
well, maybe you were trying to distribute it. You were trying to share
that joint with the guy sitting in the passengers. That's how ridiculous they go
in certain places. But again, that was the sort of thing that happened
under Christy, where the partially smoke joint in your ashtray could get you drug
dealer charges in Jersey, because that's how he was encouraging things to be enforced.
Anyways, Harlan, go ahead and speak to this, and then I
do believe we have Vance waiting on the phone, so I want to get
to him and anybody else that calls in three one nine five two seven five
zero one six plus we'll take a break at some point after I get Advance
on. So go ahead, Harlan, put a cap on this for now,
and we'll put you on hold and bring you back later. Okay,
Yeah, I'm most say this. I'll let you go ahead and get Vance.
I was texting him reminding him, you know, about to show him
he's got me on the list of like two other people, and somebody was
coming back like, no, I'm not calling in and I don't know this
number, and so I guess, you know, Lance probably all right.
But you know, one of you know, Jimmy's comments about you know,
not seeing America or you know whatever else. I think my problem is I've
seen too much of America, and i'd probably have a lot different you know,
attitude on a lot of things if I haven't seen so much. You
know what that I have. I mean, you know me personally, you
know, I don't see a lot of these so called Red states is some
kind of flagwaping, you know, utopia just because it's not California in Oregon,
I mean, if that makes any sense. I mean, it's just
like here in Colorado. You know, if you was in the right area,
you probably lived just as good as life as you could anywhere. But
well, let me ask you. Let me just ask you a quick question
to hit a nerve and let you get to the rest of your point,
because I want to hit a nerve with a listener. Here in you know,
Michigan, right, I hear people in Michigan describe it as a wholly
different place depending on what part of Michigan they're living in. Where you know,
it's a democrat utopia, it's a republican utopia. It's got lots of
freedom if you're a libertarian. I hear entirely alien descriptions of the state of
Michigan, which I find really bizarre and pretty sure Jimmy James lives in Michigan.
So I mean, do you have any personal views on Michigan or that
part of the country, because it seems to me like you go to different
parts of this country, you will indeed get very different experiences. But overall,
I mean, they're kind of well represented by the blue and the red
spots on the map they show you. In general, I think good,
bad, and ugly, all attached. But you know, maybe I'm wrong
about that. Michigan is a weird place though, because again I know about
five or six people that live there, and each one of them has a
completely like you'd think they were talking about a different country from their descriptions about
how things are run there, how things actually go, what real life is
like for the poor versus the rich. Everything. It's a very different universe
of stuff going on in Michigan. I mean, is it just the strangeness
of the Great Lakes? What do you think and what have you seen?
Considering that you do, as a matter of course and your making a living
travel around the country. Actually, I've not been to Michigan in a while
now, Okay, I've never you know, made it a second home or
anything. But a lot of these states, especially the states up north,
and you could count this for several states of the so called problem States,
to the ones people, you know, bitch and complain about what happens.
Is is, you know, like Illinois, for example, You've got the
Chicago land area is basically running the whole state. And there's only you know,
when you get all these state walls and you get all this stuff,
you know, crammed into effect, there's only so much that the rest of
the state can really do. You see what I'm saying. And I think
Michigan is you know, pretty much somewhat a victim of that too. I
will Michigan, they're probably about five go ahead, Yeah, I was just
gonna say real quick. You know, Michigan is as diverse as as people
think of two people for Michigan. Jerald Ford, aunple Moore couldn't find two
people for a little part there you go. There, that's the that's the
deal. And you know a lot of you know, the states. It's
just like North Carolina for example. You know, like you take like over
around Wilson and over there, like right there on the ninety five cor door.
You know, it's quite a bit different than like over around Asheville,
because Ashville has turned into some kind of blue liberal haven from what I understand.
The last several years. Really. Well, it's like it's like most
lines. Yeah, Ashville is notorious for its its liberalness. It's if you
look at the Durham, Raleigh, Durham Area, Charlotte, ASSHL, those
are your three big municipalities, and that's where you have a lot of your
Democrats. The rural part is solid Republican. That's the difference in I mean,
it's it's that way in a lot of states. Your big municipalities are
usually liberal. Your rural areas or agricultural areas or places away from the larger
cities are more conservative. It's it's like that in a lot of states.
Yeah, there's a big difference between like North Georgia than like, you know,
down where you're at you Yeah, I mean a certain extent. But
I will say this. You know, it's like after this flashed election when
Walker lost and who is the other guy that lost it? And both of
them lose because both s the states was up for election, but camp Fall
who was the other one? Yeah? Walker was the Trump pick. Yeah
he was. No, Walker was in Georgia. Yeah, yes, well
that's one of Yeah, who was the other guy? Chuck? Which one
the offs? You know, they had the two runner they had the run
offs and the Democrats. Yeah, they had a jungle run off. There
was there was like five people in the jungle runoff. Yeah, there was
an extremely liberal guy from from the university area up there by Uh, oh
god, what is the name of that? That area very liberal parts of
Georgia. What's the most liberal part of Georgia outside of Atlanta? B Pete?
Oh that was Savannah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, the Savannah
area, you know, academic guy who was running there was let's see,
uh, the two main Republicans ran and they were one of them was a
former I got to take a look at that who was in the jungle primary.
And the area of North Carolina I was thinking of that I really liked
was Newburn, believe it or not, because that was the oddest sort of
mixture of everything in North Carolina. I really wished I had been able to
move to Newburn. Vp't. I don't know what you think of that,
but it seemed like it was like the good area where you could get a
little taste to everything at a Newburn like very diverse, like you you can.
But then again you get into Newburn, you start getting into some liberal
craft so well, So any city of any size, you're gonna start seeing
more and more of it in North Carolina. Yeah, let's stick to the
in grace because I'm relan and I might get out anyway. I'll call back
to the can, you know if I but they've cut iron for a little
while. But the away grab man ark, you say what he's got to
say? Right, Okay, Well, let's let's let's see. I'm gonna
figure this thing out and we will go to Vance next. I'm gonna put
you on hold though, and if you want to come back all in,
you're more than welcome. Uh, But let's get to Vance and see what
he has to say about what's gone on in this discussion or anything else he
wants to throw on the table. So, uh, van Archy, what's
going on? Man? Oh? That a lot of I hadn't really heard
a whole lot of it because I've been having phone problems for a while.
They're the stream because I normally just listen in while you NBPE catch up all
that, you know, till I call in. But then it turned to
just broken chat you know, take that and that you know would message with
my phone and everything. So I only heard little bits and pieces and stuff.
But you know, I heard enough about the points I was remembering from
here. Hearing was you know, talking about the the or B Pete was
saying, you know that you know, tell something changes or whatever. It's
through all this social engineering that they've been doing. It's like you know,
which I'm just now talking about, you know, the perception of of of
of what you know, party or you know, affiliation, red blue all
that you know, and in states are like like you said about Michigan,
you know, got ted nugent to you know, Michael Moore. The you
know, it's like there's no you know, they try to paint that and
they and through their little you know demographics where they you know, divide up
how many you know, according to whatever you know sources that they're getting these
you know, numbers from them, you know, to establish that or whatever.
But the you know, I'm just curious. It's a big unknown is
you know, how many people and you know, with all this transgender and
everything else that or you know that that they're you know, over and over
to this. It's like on TV they got all these watched a lot of
car shows you know, on order Turn TV and and it's like there always
has to be a woman that's involved in the crew and you know as part
of the now they got like whole show as a woman. I'm not dogging
women or anything. I'm just saying, you know, it's obvious how they're
you know, they're pushing this, you know, trying to you know,
all the commercials. You know, you've got a black and white woman,
you know, mixed families, and you know they're just going out of their
way to to make this, you know, appear like they're supporting something,
but they're just you know, basically causing more division that you know, problem
reaction solution kind of thing that we're now. You know, they're like b
Pete was saying, there's hardly anybody's really you know, cares about the trans
issue. It's not like, you know, there's this big movement of people
that have felt so you know repressed and and held down you know by society.
You know, that is pushing this agenda forward. So hopefully it's getting
so obvious that people will be able to just recognize it for it is what
it is, and then you know, we can go ahead and adjust the
system to be more you know functional and actually you know, something that celebrates
humanity in human life and just imagine all of that. Let me yeah,
let me let me ask you something. I want to ask you something because
your point of view will definitely be different than everybody else's so far that's been
presented on this, So I want to get your take on something really quickly.
They'll be Pete. What you were asking about is there was a big
run off of a bunch of candidates for those Senate seats at one point,
and it it ended up pairing down to Purdue versus us Off and Leffler,
Yeah, and Leffler versus Warnock. But you also had herschel Walker in there,
right. Uh. Walker was like the pro Trump outsider and just he
couldn't you know, he couldn't hold it together. I mean they picked him
apart. Uh, in some cases rightfully so and in some cases, you
know, I mean he was he was a bit of an odd ball candidate.
I mean, let's be honest, it was. It was an odd
one. Yeah, Purdue was the one I couldn't think of, and I
know he had a bunch of money back at him on that. Of course,
he had some legal troubles, so that not too long ago too,
But that was the one I couldn't think of was Purdue. And Leffler is
like the wife of the guy who like owns the stock market pretty much.
I mean, that's a pretty good way to pair that down. So you
had big, big money and then you had a bunch of big Democrat money
poured in to get you know, everybody forgets about us off. We're seeing
warnocka out there already politically grandstanding, you know, already this year. I
think he's not up for consideration again for a little while because he was what
selected again in twenty twenty, so I mean he shouldn't be up to was
twenty two, So he's not up again till twenty eight if he stays in
office as a senator, right, But he's out there campaigning on like Biden's
behalf. And Warnock was another guy with a troubled past and his domestic violence
and all kinds. I mean, it was just like a crazy event here,
this weird runoff. And before that, they had something that I referred
to as a jungle primary because they had this open thing where there was about
eight candidates going for the two slots to be considered, and then it got
pared down to those four running for the two Senate seats. One was a
special election and the other one was the completion I think of a produced regular
term that happened to come together at the same time. So it was kind
of a wild situation. And then people have really pointed to this as now
George's turned blue because of these two guys. But really what it is is
that the Republicans and the Democrats both put up some pretty bad candidates, and
I think at the end of the day, the Republican candidates looked worse to
Georgia than did the Democrats. As all. Well, here, it's like
Pat McCrory. He was the mayor of Charlotte for the longest time and he
ran for governor and he won, and I mean he was a Republican in
name only, so when he came up for reelection, he's one of these
that claims his election was basically stolen and he's been going on about it ever
since. He's also one of the guys behind this no Labels party. Interesting,
I mean, that's the way it is in North Carolina. We get
a Republican governor, we're lucky if we can keep him for eight years.
But when you get Republicans like Pat McCrory in there, whoever's going to run
against them as the Democrats automatically going to win because they suck. I mean,
they're just sorry politicians. And McCrory's more liberal than any Republican I've seen
in this area in quite some time, but you know, quite soft.
He couldn't just go away. Yeah. Some of those candidates, though,
are usually like a compromise where it's like, look, we can't put in
the hardest core regular Republican. We got to give you know, you got
to have somebody like the uh the more you know, people considered Clinton a
more uh conservative Democrat for his time period, right where it's like, well
that'll be more acceptable because we can say, well, well he was more
middle of the road. I would say, more middle of the road than
more conservative. Yes, but that's the thing is to get to the road.
You know. Anyway, Well look at McCain, look at that Romney.
You know, terrible candidates, right right, So look back to what
Advance was talking about though, because I interrupted him and I wanted to interrupt
him on a key point that had to do with what he was talking about.
Uh, and ask him kind of the question that I sort of tried
to put to both you and UH and Harlan before, which is this idea
that I think it's the it's the fault of the nanny state liberals who have
put into play this idea that the state should have supreme authority over parents' decisions.
Now, in the case of you know, tattoos and this and that
andlah blah blah, people would say that's not as big an issue. But
when it comes to this transgender thing, which BP points out and you Dvance
would agree, is a a sliver of a minority as opposed to even being
big enough to be a minority of people that are being focused on here as
the interest group. Here's what I'm trying to pair it back to, though,
is that in a lot of places, people think it's good or bad,
and I think it's always bad to give the government the right to really
truly interfere with the parent's decisions regarding their children. And that was Krispy Kreme's
position on that debate, is that, look, I think that and of
course it's not realistic at this point in time because of what's gone on in
the past twenty thirty years. But the truth is this idea that the state
should not be involved, which is kind of ironic coming out of his police
state mouth. Okay, that he thinks that, well, parents ought to
make those decision. This guy in no way thinks that anybody who doesn't have
a badge shouldn't be making your decisions in your life. Okay, real simple.
I don't like him for that alone. Forget about his corruption. I
could forgive some of that. Forget about the fact that he's, you know,
a disturbingly fat guy from Jersey. I mean, you know, there's
also sunflowers there too. There's probably just about as many. The thing is,
it's not a big deal, but this idea that parents having supremacy as
opposed to the government getting involved, I would think that advance, you would
kind of be on the side of what Chrispy Green was saying, where parents
ought to make those decisions. The government doesn't need to get involved. But
there are plenty of people out there who would solidly disagree with me about that
that. You know what, the government has to step in, the government
has to regulate these things because people don't know how to take care of their
children, et cetera. Et cetera. So what are your thoughts on that?
Where now you have the conservatives, who in my mind would have normally
been on the side of leave government out of these decisions, are now saying
for the best interest of the child though the government needs to be involved to
prevent these procedures from happening. I'm not saying that I'm siding with them or
against them. What I'm saying is that isn't it odd that now the people
who are opposing them are exactly the people who have built a thirty year track
record of saying the Nanty States should make decisions, the Nanty States should take
away your kids. The Naty State ought to punish you, find you put
you in prison. When you do anything to your child, do we disapprove
of If you smack them, you're maybe going to prison because you might have
attempted murder. You know, if you've done something else, you've exposed them
to things that they shouldn't have been exposed to. It's now child abuse.
You allowed your eighteen year old or your seventeen year old to drink a beer,
you need to go to prison. There are people that believe this,
that think that that's the right way to be and those are usually on the
liberal side. And now the battle is switched and now the government getting back
in wild because on a local level, on a state level, like b
Pete was pointing out, these are exactly the people who would interfere and intermix
with your rights as a parent. So what are your thoughts on this.
I'm not asking for you to take a position even I just want to know
what you think about this odd merry go round of Well, you didn't like
the nanti state authority when it came from the Democrats, how about when it
comes from us, even if it is for the right reason. And of
course the Democrats who want to force SSRI medications down the kids' throats, send
them the psychological reevaluations and re education, who want to sit there and do
damage to kids on their behalf because it's in their best interest a lot of
different other ways, whether it's screwing up their brain chemistry or messing up their
psychology, or justifying their bad behavior, or whatever else it is they're doing
on the Democrats side. Now you have it coming from the conservative side where
the government needs to step in. Do I agree that anybody should be mutilating
children, whether it's parents are not. Absolutely not. But here we go
with this argument. What are your thoughts on that, because that's what I
think came out when they pressed Christy on this and he said, well,
I kind of stand on the side of parents ought to have supremacy. I
agree with b. Pete also not a realistic position, although it's a wishful
one. What are your thoughts vance Well, obviously, you know, everybody
knows, he knows I'm for you know, have the opinion that the government
has been a nanty state and it's a you know fact, even been writing
about it since eighteen early nineteen hundreds and stuff. You know, it's been
a nanny state for a long time, and that since that, you know,
the keeper have been trained to look at the government as their you know,
parental figure, and so they, you know, can push all these
things through. But apparently, you know, even throughout the court, you
know, amending the Constitution and all that. I can't remember the you know,
one of them a members fourteen thirteen something, you know, kind of
basically made it to where everyone was now a you know, a possession you
know, under the authority of the central government of the federal government, I
mean, and which was never supposed to be the case. You know,
all states had their own rights, and most states you know enshrined people's individual
rights. And obviously you have you know, should have control over your children.
For you know, when I was in high school, you know,
they didn't have a d D because you know, they had corporal punishment and
so you got licks if you you know, acted up in class, which
you know didn't keep a lot of people from acting up per se or whatever.
But you know, there was you know, there was some phrases you
know going along that you know, I was a child of a basically a
child was my dad was seventeen and mom and when I was born, and
he was pretty abuse abusive and did a lot of things that you know,
several things. It wasn't like I was, you know, the you know
abused on a daily basis or anything, but you know, he would get
you know, pretty violent, and it uh, you know didn't necessarily stop
me from you know, doing whatever it was he was whipping my ass about,
but but you know it did affect how I you know, view you
know, my authority against other people and all that kind of stuff. So
you know, I guess I'm using my train of thought here a little bit.
But but the it's definitely the fact that they go. You know,
when when I was in school, you know that you could smoke into smoking
area and you know, they didn't nobody enforce any and you know rules and
all that kind of stuff. And you know, my grandparents send me into
the store to get you know, a cart and a cigarettes. They sell
it to me. Nobody cared, you know, And I'm not saying that's
necessarily a good thing, but you know that, you know, if you're
or wanting to, you know, you should you know, normally the you
know, just the basic premises that you're only allowed to go so far,
you know, as as a parent, and what you can allow or can't
allow your kids to do. I mean, when I was younger, we
could drink. You know, my dad would go to Mexico to to uh
Laredo and go to the Cadillac bar. And you know, we were twelve,
you know, nine whatever years old, and you know he'd buy us
of the rainless gin fizzis and you know, you could drink. You know,
it wasn't like a big deal. If your parents gave me a couple
of drinks while with them, you know, or whatever was in the the
world control of the situation. But yeah, there you go. But I'm
just saying, but let me, let me make this point where I was
going was but you know, that's a far cry from you know, allowing
you know, uh, I have a grandson that you know is that they've
you know, got into this. He thinks he's you know, transgender,
and you know all this and and you know that's been fomented through these you
know, social engineering you know, things that they're putting out. You know,
you know, he was all he's a real intelligent child, but you
know who knows. He's not old enough to really know, you know yet,
And so you know, there should be you know, you know,
even within the existing laws that until the child is you know, sixteen or
or you know, whatever age. And at that point, even if for
something like that to happen, they would have to like petition the court and
go up here in court and say I want to have this, you know,
no matter what, you know, something like that not just you know,
make a law where anybody can do it anytime and don't have to tell
their parents or and and you know, that's a fine line too, you
know, with with personal privacy. But you know, up until some you
know, uh, standard age. You know, there should be some kind
of standardized you know, just like it is now. Then how it's changed
already from eighteen just smote to twenty one and you know all that right,
No, exactly, And look as as we're gonna we're gonna go to a
quick break here and I'm gonna take it a little over time. Whether BP
six with me or not, it's up to him. We're gonna go a
little overtime tonight because well, starting January sixth, once again, uh,
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Sure enough? All right, I say we do our best to say nothing
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a while, but since I just mentioned them, I probably will, now,
how you doing. I'm fine. I hope my friend club nice fan
club as well. I hope so too. Nice guys. The two of
them that I was able to interact with, there's two of them that I
know of for sure. Wow, yeah, there's just one. No,
for a long time, there was only one guy that talked to me,
and he was supposed to start his Facebook page and I don't think he did.
Uh. But anyway, there's two guys for sure, or at least
it's two profiles on social media. How about that that appear to be different
guys. Two guys for sure part of the Jimmy James fan club. So
anyway, all up to you, sir, open Mike, So it's on
you whatever you want to say. Well, let's talk about perceptions. Remember
a few weeks ago, I'll ask the same question you asked. I believe
you asked the question something about what if we took the Jews out of the
minute least? Was that about right? I said, to theoretic, please,
what about not if we took him out, but what if we withdrew
support and aligned ourselves with those that are against them, as opposed to continuous
continuing to align ourselves with them. Theoretically, would that have a different result?
Would that have a more positive result for us? Or not? That
was the question I asked, Yes, Okay, Well, I'll just to
take it a step further and say, I want you. I ask you,
Chuck, what if we actually took every Jew out of Israel and gave
them land in America? Do you think there would be peace in the Middle
East? Uh? Probably not? I think exactly. Yeah. Now,
now let me ask you the exact question and the reverse if we took every
Arab out of the Middle East and brought them to America. God forbid,
do you think there wippy peace in the Mid East? Check? Uh?
Well, I don't know. At that point, because that, to me
is a way bigger problem like detaching people from detaching people from their land,
right that are there on that on that scale. What if we brought them
illegally, I'm not don't even pretend like it's a real thing. Just say
I did it somehow magically. All the Arabs are now in Texas. Yeah,
I'm trying to address that. If it was magically, if it magically
the Jews. So now only the Jews are in the Middle East, and
I suppose what the Lebanese got, the Turk's way way up there, I
don't know. Well, there's a lot of Yeah, they would still be
do you still think there would be would there be war? Would there be
peace? You know there would be peace? Just say it. No,
I don't because no, no, I you asked me the question. I'm
trying to answer it honestly, because here's the thing. Uh, taking all
the Arabs out? Do you mean only taking the Muslim Arabs out? Or
do you mean taking the Christian Arabs out? Because there are significant populations of
Christian Arabs believe it or not, in a lot of those places. So
would you leave them behind it or no? They've been forced to flee.
They ain't. They're no more chuck. They they're get forced to flee.
Many of them get killed. Most of them live in America, Okay,
instance, for instance, Lebanon as recently as the nineteen seventies were seventy or
eighty percent Christian, and now they're not any damn thing Christian like percent maybe
gee, what happened to them? Well, a couple of years ago I
was in touch with a handful of eleven Theese guys who were living here,
who had lots of relatives there, and they were all Christians. In fact,
they told me. One of them told me a crazy story about their
one uncle who had gotten beaten nearly to death, uh, because he was
a Christian guy who had been given the name by his parents Mohammed. And
then after they found out that he wasn't lying about it, they tried to
correct this, but they told me this weird story about it, and also
about their many more relatives that are still there and practicing Christians. They were
some of them were, well, they were not true. That was once
eighty percent Christian is now twenty percent Christian because the Muslims chased them out,
killed them, et cetera. Could be. Yeah, I could be.
I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm saying that I just know that there
is a population there still, But I don't know how large it is,
how significant it is at all. I just know that there would have to
be some left back. Like if you got twenty percent of that place,
and then maybe other percentages of other places. Would you remove all the Christians
as well and make it only Jewish land in the all of the Middle East?
Is that what you're saying would be the magical thing that happens? Sure?
Why not just kick out the Muslims too, the only once causing problems?
Near as I could tell, we theoretically, I could go either way.
I think it could wind up in a peaceful situation if you remove the
Muslims entirely. But then again, I don't know for sure. There could
be other groups that are not necessarily represented by religiosity that might have other ideas
that I'm not fully aware of. To be honest with you, the Jews
are pretty sophisticated society. They've moved on from bashing each other in the heads
and killing each others. They have parliaments, they actually vote, They have
systems of governments, whereas the two millions so called Palestinians, of course do
not. Okay, I want and you want to negotiate with the so called
Palestinians. Who are you gonna talk to? Who's your partner in piece?
Chuck, Yeah, that's a real good question at this time, because the
alleged leadership doesn't seem to wield any power from what I can discern. So
you are confronted it with what hamas and oh, what's the other one that
controls the north supposedly at this point, what's the name of the other group?
Well, I'm thinking, uh, bonded by Iram. Well, the
p l O, as far as I know, is really a toothless organization
at this point, much like the Palestinian authority is pretty much toothless. And
it seems to me as though the two organizations that we'll power currently, unless
I'm misreading it, is Hasbala and Homas. Uh. Those two organizations seem
to have uh political sway and sway over people and action, unless I'm misreading
it. Well, it's not political sway they of course. Yeah, there's
a it's an open air jail, all right, just like the idiots say.
What they don't seem to realize in their thick, idiotic skulls is that
the tail keepers are their own people. It's not the Jews keeping them every
day. Millions of those there are hundreds of thousands of Palestinians used to go
to work every day in Israel. It's their own people that are keeping them
down there and keeping them poor. All this money that we give to them,
to the Palestinians, all it does is from these tunnels, fronds,
a caves, funds, missiles. It's getting a little old. Why I
put these people who are terrorists on fire with an allied state and I'll get
it. Okay. I don't know where that point was brought up tonight here,
but I don't think it was. But okay, there's your there's your
question, h b PTE. You got any answer for that? Or should
I go to go to advance on this? What do you think? Well?
I agree with Jimmy on a lot of the issues that are going on
in the Middle East and some where the problems lie. But you know,
you take the case of Gaza. They hold an election hall, Mosket's bothered
it in they run everybody else out of town take over the government. You
know how much how much money has been spent from the U n on refugees
given the Gaza that's just been turned around and used to create chaos in the
Middle East. It's it's a no win situation. But until you can get
rid of organizations like that, no, you're not going to have any semblance
of peace. You know, Israel Street of Rock and a hard place,
everything, everything surrounding them wants to end their existence. So you know,
they got to do what they got to do. But now I don't I
don't see peace in the Middle East anytime soon, for various reasons. Does
anybody know what the amount of USA to Gaza was in twenty twenty two?
By chance, I'm trying to find that and compare it to Let's see,
it looks like we have different things going on fy and twenty twenty two hundred
nineteen million dollars maybe is that? Is that? Does that seem accurate to
you guys? Two hundred and nineteen million dollars aid to Gaza in twenty twenty
two? Does that sound about right? He says here from the GAO that
since nineteen ninety three, the US government has provided more than seven point six
billion in the Palestinians. And yeah, since ninety three, seven point six
billion, and that's in the West Bank and Gaza. But that's through the
US Agency for International Development. That's not county what the UN has thrown in
on top of everything because of their special little ball FuG program that they have
set up that only benefits the Palestinians. Nor the group in the world in
the history of the world has had an agency set up for them. You
have two agencies in the UN. You have an agency for refugees and then
you have an agency for Palestinian refugees. They're special people. So trying to
find a total I don't even think the UN is going to be honest with
how much they've spent. Okay, fair enough. I was just trying to
look at a comparison between how much aid has been given to Israel as opposed
to Gaza, just just by comparison. I was wondering, that's all because
I've got up the hold on a minute, Well, I'm just looking at
monetary amounts. If we have, you know, a certain amount that's being
given on one side and a certain amount that's been given on the other I'm
just saying, that's just something there. You go giving and there'stional parody between
the state and a terrorist organization. There's the perception thing I was talking about.
Okay, but this isn't about But it's not about perception. To me,
what I'm looking at is, Okay, you're making the point that a
certain amount of money was given to Gaza and repurposed for the tunnels and for
terrorism. So I'm saying to myself, Okay, what is the amount of
money on the other side that was given to combat that. Let's say,
okay, what is the comparison. I'm curious because I'm looking at I don't
know, three billion dollars in the same time period. I'm seeing one hundred
and forty nine million dollars going to one side as opposed to the other.
That's all I was looking at, Not parody between the two things, except
that they're both receiving funds from the US, right, I mean they are
both receiving funds from the US. That is a logical comparison, isn't it.
I would just said that we don't get cash to Israel Ukraine. Our
aid to them in the form of military aid. I see well, let's
see. Let's see. Here's a little note according let's get this straight.
Here, according who is this group I'm trying to there's a dollar amount here
says the United States has been a major donor provided more than five point two
billion through USA since nineteen ninety four. Okay, we said that was up
to seven. Sure, there's another group that says the international community has sent
billions of dollars an age of the guy's a stript of provide relief to more
than two million palace Citians living there. From twenty fourteen to twenty twenty,
you and agency spent nearly four point five billion dollars in Gaza, including six
hundred million in twenty twenty alone. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development, aid to Palestinians total over forty billion between nineteen ninety four and twenty
twenty. Jesus super married. See that's the thing, I really you look
at the amount of money that has been spent there, and you know the
majority of it has gone out the door through corruption. And that's another thing
too. You know, the Palestinians have these organizations that are supposed to be
looking out for them, but the corruption is so bad. I mean,
the guys that run Hamas live in I think they live in Yemen or are
uh there's another country that they've also got property holdings in. These guys are
worth millions of money that they have, you know, skimmed off the top
of all this aid. And I mean it's just it's just proof that you
these people's own government doesn't care about them. It's just a way to make
money and line their own pockets. It's ridiculous. And what are you billion
dollars? So let me just ask both of you guys a quick question before
I come back around advance. And this is just open question. You know,
this is me exploring this all right. I see headlines this week about
the well we need to conflate anti Semitism with anti Zionism, that both are
the same thing. Now do you guys think that that's true and correct?
And is this House resolution that let's see palsy and right aificans the announce a
Republican lead measure. Right, So there's this Republican lead measure that was proposed
to basically declare that if you are anti Zionist, you are also anti Semitic
and you can't basically. Basically what they're saying is in my mind that you
can't possibly object to denounce or criticize the nation state of Israel or the concept
by which it is you know there, like, there's no way to separate
that from you basically being an anti semi Do you think that that's true?
I'm asking you, guys openly, Jimmy James, first off, I'll start
with you, And do you think that that is a true and correct thing?
And this is a good resolution coming from the Republican led measure in Congress.
Yes, it's a very good measure. It's one Jewish statement by your
world. Why should we support it? And does this spill over here?
Well, let's put it this way. Two percent of the American population is
Jewish, and yet they account for sixty percent of the victims of hate crimes.
There absolutely is a correlation. If people just happen to hate the US
state in the world, it's Jewish, that's a little bizarre, it's a
little queer. On the other hand, there are forty some odd air of
states, eleven of which are straight up religious dictatorships, and no one seems
to have problems with those places. Oh, I'm an anti theocratic person all
the way around. But so you see no problem with effectively, because I
criticized, denounced don't want to support the nation state of Israel, then it's
perfectly acceptable to basically say I'm an anti Semite because of that. I think
when this residue, I assume it was aimed at someone passive members of the
government or act at the unia, something like that. It may be,
but the general idea that these things should be equated here, you're all for
it, is what you said. So I was just curious about that.
What do you think of it? Yeah, well, let me ask you
a question to clarify what you just said. You don't want to support the
state of Israel. Does that mean monetarily or support them as even existing?
So you know, it depends on what you say. When you say you
don't want to support the state of Israel, do you support their right to
exist? Well, the truth is their right to exist is none of my
damn business. Okay. As for what it is my government chooses to support,
I think I have a right to say if I don't want them to
support that, or Yemen or Saudi Arabia or any country in Africa. Name
it. If I don't want to be in supportive European nations, I think
I have a right to state that and have a right to take away I'm
getting you know. What I'm getting at is this though, if you if
you don't support our monetary support of the State of Israel, no, that
doesn't make you in any semi. If you if you don't support Israel because
you don't think they have a right to exist, then yeah, maybe you
are and Ani semi. So that's what I'm saying. It depends on in
what context that you're saying you don't support them. You know, we we
provide a lot of money across the world for a bunch of ridiculous things.
I don't have a problem with US monetarily supporting one of our allies. I
mean, we send money to Germany, we send money to NATO countries we
support No, we send money to countries that have said that they want to
wipe us off the face of the earth. That's how stupid we are as
a nation. So if you don't support our monetary support of Israel, no,
that does not make you an Aniseemi, not at all. However,
in the past few years, you've had a lot of people make the claim
that they're anti Zionists, they're not anti Jew. Well, I'm sorry.
If you're anti Zionist, you're anti Jew. You know, you can't separate
the two. Zionism is nothing more than the supporting the right for Israel to
exist as a state. Now that you may have questions about the division of
property and things of that nature, but it all goes back to when they
carved up the Middle East. Anyway, and I've said this before, nobody
had a problem when they created Jordan. You no one had a problem when
the countries of Yemen were created. Nobody had a problem when Lebanon was created.
Nobody had a problem when Iraq was created. So you know, no,
I'll give you a good example. Well, after World War two,
Turkey, only basically after World War One, the Ottoman Empire was busted up,
you had areas of you had groups of Armenians in the Turkish area.
After World War two, they had decided to give Armenia back to the Armenians,
and Turkey said no, and they fought for what almost another two years
to get that area back. I've not heard one person ever say to Turkey,
no, you fought a war. You took over that land, you
have to give it back, much like I've heard a lot of people tell
Israel, yeah, you went thro you were as soon as you claimed independence,
you know, for five states immediately declared war on you. You took
over land, Now you've got to give it back. I've never heard them
say that to any other country under any other circumstances. We're starting to hear
it now about Ukraine and Russia. But I've never heard anyone ever be accused
of taking property illegally through war, except for the Israelis. Now, I
find that hard to believe. I don't understand how people have no problem with
creating five Arab nations, but they have a problem with creating a Jewish nation
in an area that historically the Jews go back to when dirt was created.
Well, look, Zionism, to me goes well beyond just that very bland
definition of the establishment of that state. There's a lot of other stuff in
there that's discussed in that philosophy that goes beyond it. But I don't want
to I don't want to get into that too deeply. I want to go
back to the other point, which is, look, I had objections to
US funding Pakistan. Okay, it doesn't mean that I was anti Pakistani or
anti Muslim. I felt as though we were funding a state which did not
have America's best interests in mind. Regardless of this alleged partnership during the War
on Terror, I thought it was a complete misdirection of money and I objected
to it at that time. Politically, that did not apply to me hating
or having an issue with the religiosity of the people there, Okay, even
though that might have been involved in part of the reason why they were not
so pro American. That wasn't about their religiosity. It was about the political
stance. It was about the behavior of that nation state that I objected to.
I didn't think that we should be funding it. I didn't think that
they should be our partner in anything. And that was Pakistan. That's completely
outside of the Israeli discussion. And I would say that funding certain things in
Europe was a bad idea at certain points. I don't think that we should
have been involved in a whole lot of stuff. So that to me is
not anti Semitic Piano to say, look, well, maybe we shouldn't be
funding them. Their right to exist is none of my business. It was
like Turkey's right to exist, anybody else's is not my business. You go
ahead, good, Jimmy. See the big difference it is the history of
the Jews, what they went through, particularly in World War Two. There's
like fifteen million of them on the planet Earth at this point. They're a
very unique case. What happened to them in World War Two, and it's
not and they were four thousand years they were persecuted by Europeans. I think
it's a good thing they had their homeland, okay, but we not just
Eufps. They've been persecuted all over the world. You know, you go
back to win when Babbel, when Babylon went in there and just totally pull
the whole place up, and then everybody went into exile. You know,
you had Jews that were settling in different parts of the world, and you
had laws. I mean, these areas would go out and effectively create laws
saying to Jewish you can't do this, you can't be in this profession,
you can't do that. I mean, they've been persecuted all over the world.
So it's the last exile. So you know, it's not just Europe,
it's kind of everywhere. Well, much like people make the argument that
black people have been the only slaves, which is absolutely ludicrous and ridiculous in
history, I would say that there's been other people that have been genocided one
way or another. There's lots of them, not too many of them.
You know, there's a whole bunch of people that have been effectively wiped out.
I mean there's various Oh look at the maid Yeah, you still can't
get Turkey to admit that there was an Armenian genocide. Other countries in the
past few years have finally started recognizing it that you know, you look at
that situation. We've not gone to Turkey and said, hey, you got
to give Armenia back, But yet we're quick to tell the Jews that they've
got to give up property to a bunch of Arabs that are living within their
borders, simply because they didn't like the land deal. Well, a lot
of people didn't like no land deal with Jordan, you know, a lot
of people didn't like the when they when they carved up when the French and
the British and decided to go in there and carve things up, they created
a situation where there's going to be perpetual war even if you removed every Jew
from the area, because you've got so much tribal conflict that's been going on
over the years. They blatantly just cut up, they cut up areas that
were predominantly one tribe or one group. And they've done it in every nation
that they cut up, from Jordan to Lebanon to Iraq. It's crazy a
situation for a professional war. You look at what happened in Afghanistan long before
we got there, where the Russians got there. Uh, you have a
similar sort of circumstance where you have nothing but warlords and a tribal situation that
Look at the Kurds. You've got the Kurds that are in Afghanistan, You've
got them in Iraq, and you've got them through Iran scattered everywhere, no
Kurdistan. Yeah, they've been scattered everywhere because of borders that were put down
on paper by the French and the British years ago. You know, it's
like Jami said, Lebanon was was created to have a Christian nation in the
Middle East, and you had the p l O that got they were in
the West Bank when Jordan controlled it. They wanted their own countries. So
what are they do. They try to kill the emperor and they killed one
of the ministers and Jordans Jordan kicked them out. They go to Lebanon,
create all kinds of hate and discontent up there, to the point that it's
hard to find a Christian in Lebanon anymore because of what's been going on with
the Palestinians, rabble rousing everywhere they go. Egypt doesn't want them in.
You know, that's the funny thing. People forget. Goz is bordered on
three sides by Israel, but there's a border with Egypt, and Egypt's kept
that thing closed until here recently letting in some humanitarian aid because they don't want
to have to put up with them. Palestinians try to kill everybody that's in
charge of anywhere that they're at. You're going to have a perpetual battle going
on over there. Well, anyway, we've gone to the twenty minute after
mark and well actually we're at the thirty minutes after mark now. So look,
I'll leave it to you, Bpete to come with a way to close
this out. I think we let Jimmy say what he wanted to say.
I asked a couple of questions, though I don't know how we got to
the Palestindian thing, because I thought we were going to talk about the views
of America there according to what was in the chat room. But I was
mistaken. Jimmy had something else he wanted to get out, and I think
I'll let you get it out, Jimmy, yes or no, Yes,
I bought something in the chat room, but I decided to just let that
one go. Okay, let me ask you. Yeah, yeah, sometimes
we just fair enough. Let me ask you a question that'll give us a
good pivot and maybe get us on out of here. This way we can
go back around advance or anybody else that happens to be on the line,
which looks like it's just advancing you, uh, and give Bep the final
word here too. So this odd thing about Michigan that I take note of
is that I know about six people in Michigan that I interact with. Talk
to A and I'll include you. Right, you all tell me a completely
different story about what Michigan is like. Every last one of you has a
very different view. It almost sounds like you're talking about different countries because of
the diverse experience that you guys are having in Michigan. You know, and
I take note that in different parts of America people have different experiences. I
really think that that's true. So what is the deal with Michigan? Why
is it that you know, some people will swear to me it's libertarian,
it's Republican, it's democrat. It's too liberal, it's way too right wing.
I mean, everybody's got these totally different alien descriptions about the moral character,
political setup, and the people of Michigan. And I'm not just talking
about the difference between Detroit and like, you know, the more rural kind
of parts of Michigan. I guess if that's what would you call that rural?
I guess, well, the non city parts of Michigan? How about
that versus like Detroit and I don't know Flint. Uh. But but I
mean, seriously, why is it so diverse? What is the story with
that? Can you tell me? Yes? Go ahead, Michigan. If
if the people had it their way, they would split themselves into three states.
There's down State, then there's up North, and then there's the Upper
Peninsula. Okay, uh, Dald state, they're flaming liberals. You move
up, I guess there would be a libertarian match, and then you go
into the up. Well, now you're talking about some serious, uh,
serious conservative folks. Okay, So it's almost like you have three sections of
Michigan that are exactly as diverse as I'm saying. Where it's like somebody swears
to me it's a libertarian place. Somebody swears to me it's totally liberal.
Somebody else swears to me it's totally conservative. Depending on what section you were
in in Michigan. They're not lying, they're telling the truth absolutely. Okay,
fair enough, I wanted to know that. Thank you. So what
would you like to conclude with tonight? Oh not I I'm sorry. It
was a good we can help us well. Appreciate you, Jimmy, and
also appreciate that you don't always want to fight. That's a great thing.
We don't have to fight over every single thing. After all, We could
just decide to not take up every single fight. I wish other people did
that more often because it might make for a nicer world. We have significant
issues that we need to sort, but not everything has to be a battle,
right, anyway, I like that call. I liked I liked how
Jimmy had a pivot there. He changed things and also informed us of a
couple of things and gave us his point of view on something else. So
that was pretty cool. Uh. Should I go to Vance next to me?
Peter, you want to drop some some knowledge here? No, go
ahead and go to Vance. Okay, fair enough, and then I want
to turn the rest of the show like over to you to say what you
want to say or close it out. I'll give you the final word on
it after Vance has Uh has his moment here, Vance, you should be
back on the line, I think. So. I don't know if I
put you to sleep or whatever cut you off prematurely, but you know,
here we go, take your final turn at the mic if you like,
I don't know, I can't start the this. You know, at the
end of the story and justify everything. You know, you got to go
back and figure out. Like I say, there's a whole long history of
you know, the Middle East and the Christian and Muslims, and you know
Zionism the way I understand it. You know it has been around for a
long time, and that you know they considered Alaska they considered the place in
Africa. There was all kinds of places they considered, you know, where
to create this you know state. And so you know, yes, you
can be anti Zionist and not be anti Jew. There's lots of Jews that
don't support that Zionist ideology. And that it was like that, it was
like the eighteen nineties. I think Man's right when that movement is recognized to
have started, I think in the eighteen nineties something like that. Yeah,
and so you know, the you know, I don't know how we can
you know that, you know, America was supposedly you know, established on
the religious freedom and all that kind of stuff. You know, and you
know, you can look up the definition of Holocaust and you know what's been
going on in Palestine because they were you know, there was an agreement and
they issued they gave so much land the Palestine, so much land to Israel.
And you can look at the maps that are online now where Israel is
encroached and encroached and you know, took took more land, you know,
justified and Jimmy saying that Hamas is the one that holds them hostage. A
most didn't build the wall Amster didn't run all the checkpoints that people have to
go through just to even go to the hospital in the middle of the night
because they're pregnant. So they sit there at the checkpoint and have the babies
on the checkpoint, or the baby dies because they don't get to the hospital
in time because they got to go through all this. So you know,
no, it's not just that simple as they're saying. Hamas was created and
foot and supported by the government of Israel. They helped establish and you'll find
the ties to that and the buzz and brotherhood, and you're going to look
to the Muslim Brotherhood and find out how the CIA was involved in making that
an instrumental force, you know, because back in the nineteen twenties there wasn't
enough Arab conflict going on to suit them, so they needed to you know,
create a group that's going you know, force some confrontations. So you
know, we you know, indirectly, we flending a whole lot more than
just you know, Israel and all that. And so you know, some
people that are you know, military don't really want to you know, accept
that fact, even though it's an open secret. You know, there's a
lot to this advance. Let me throw something at you, and throw this
to everybody who called in and everybody who is listening. I'm taking editorials verbal
editorials from people. If they want to run something about ten minutes, okay,
with like a ten minute time limit on it, and they want to
send me an audio. If you got something coherent that you want to lay
out regarding say this issue or another one, something that you think is important,
you can send it to me. I am assembling these short op eds
that I want to start running okay on the network and maybe as many podcasts.
So here's the thing. If you wanted to assemble something on this and
take ten minutes to break it down all the way uninterrupted, unimpeded by anybody,
and send me that recording, or if you want my assistance to record
your ten minute piece, contact me blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com.
Send me your audio. If you can record it in MP three form,
that would be best, and I will run it. If you send me
something coherent that makes an interesting point, I'll run that. I'll run answers
to those if people hear them and say, oh, that pissed me off.
He just said inaccurate things you want to answer it, I'll run answers.
I will run op eds in a verbal form audio if people want to
send them to me, or if you again want my help recording it,
I will do that, not with me talking to you, just you talking
ten minutes, ten minutes or less. If you can do it and less
do it and less ten minutes, make a point and go ahead and nail
it down. Maybe we'll play some on the show. Maybe we'll just release
some as many podcasts. Maybe we'll run them through the live stream and the
replay stream. So there you go. There's an opportunity, and I could
attach them to some people's articles that get submitted as well, or articles that
are picked up that are being run on the website. I'm looking to integrate
this into a multimedia magazine type format at some point, also keep the podcast
going, so both things will be happening. So dvance. If at some
point you wanted to do a monologue about this, or if you wanted to
do a monologue about anything else and you wanted to submit it to me,
only you and six am I going to invite from the TNP universe to do
this. But I've invited a bunch of people that I think are intelligent and
could make coherent points. And if you're hearing the sound of my voice right
now and you think you're intelligent and have a coherent point to make about this
or any other topic, please do contact me blind JFK researcher at gmail dot
com. Send me the audio, and again, if it's coherent, decent
sound quality, or I can work with it, I will make sure other
people hear it directly unedited. If you send me an unedited piece that doesn't
require any editing, I would be more than happy to not edit what you
say. Send it to me and we'll run editorials in an audio form.
Does that sound like a fair idea of BPTE. Sure, there you go.
And this way, you're not trying to force it into a couple of
minutes on the call in show, or you're not frustrated in the chat room,
or you're not sitting there going man, I wish I could tell people
this or that, send it to me. You got to identify yourself some
way. You got to give yourself a name or have a name, and
uh, yeah, let me know what I'm running And who knows, maybe
I'll put some extra stuff on it to support your points, your references.
If you want to send me references along with the audio, great, do
part of my job for me, but send it to me blind JFK researcher
at gmail dot com, and I will run your editorial pieces. Vance.
I'm inviting you directly. I think I sent you a text to this effect,
but I'm inviting you directly, and I'm inviting Harlan. I'm inviting everybody,
but mainly you know, I would like my listeners, my people to
do this, But other podcasters, maybe I'll take some of those. Maybe
I'll take some writers. I'll take some other people. I've only got Alan
Dale agreeing to do a steady one with me. But but you know,
every month, i'm gonna be gonna be running these starting in January, so
please send them to me, and if I get a bunch of them now,
i'll start them in December. So anyway, Vance, I appreciate what
you're trying to cover, but you're never gonna cover at all in one shot.
You also put a video in the chat room. I think. So
what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna grab the audio for Yeah, it's about
a video, I know, but anyway that's dealing with you know, some
credible, you know indications that Israel, you know, was very involved in
the creation of a mus And you know, since we live in a war
economy, you know, war is good, so you know, yeah,
to make sure you have a have a good you know, reason to be
having wars all the time, because you know, the military industrial complex don't
make no profit if it ain't for that. So, you know, I'm
so sick and tired of all this anti Semitism crap too, because the word
semit means anybody in the of the the tribes descended from Seth or in it
Seth or the shim Shim don't. So you know, all Arabs, Arabs,
Muslims, they're all they're all Semites. They're all from the Semitic they're
tribes. And so you know, if you don't like Palestinians, you're anti
Semitic. If you don't like Arabs, you're anti Semitic. You don't like
Jews, you're anti Semitic. You know. But they've cornered the market on
that and use it as a weapon to you know, shut down anybody that
doesn't support them doing whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it,
because they have a right to exist. Well, you know who doesn't
have a right to exist is the decides whether you have a right to exist
or not do the Aztecs have claimed to come back and you know, take
overall in North America because they they were here first, right, you know,
so you know that's what. Yeah, it's a dicey thing. And
look, I personally, I just have this problem with being told who I
hate, because I don't hate any group of people. I just don't.
I can object to group behaviors, I can object to the nation state behaviors.
Again, like I said, I'm not pleased with Pakistan uh and I
didn't like that we supported them. I don't like that we did a bunch
of things. I don't like that we bail out the banks here. It's
not like, well, I guess I kind of hate I hate some people
based on their occupations, their choices, the things that they do that are
destructive. I think the banking industry has not done US any favors collectively,
you know, the majority of US. I don't think that the government should
have bailed them out either. But but but here we go. My objection
to US funding Israel is not about Budge don't like Jews. That that's not
it. You know, why are we funded? I mean, Egypt is
the second biggest recipient of foreign aid, I believe, and then Lebanons like
right in there, and you know whatever you all talking about Gaza that doesn't
even appear on the list, you know, that's on Wikipedia. I think
at all times we should question it. Yeah, I think at all times
we should question all of this. And people were, you know, questioning
whether we should fund Ukraine, you know, but aren't you anti war?
Uh? Yeah, I'm anti war, but I'm also anti stupid and and
you know what I think is strategically poor thinking. So I think it's a
bad idea not to back up Ukraine in this circumstance. And that gets me
in trouble too, you know. But here's the thing I'm thinking about this,
not as well. I like Ukrainians. I don't like Russians. I
like Jews, I don't like Jews, I like Palestinians, I don't like
Arabs, none of that. It's not about dislike or a problem with a
group of people. It's about to me, what I think is you know,
look, we got problems here. We ought to be straightening out as
opposed to sending billions of dollars to a lot of other places. I think
there's a whole bunch of funding streams that we could cut and not really lose
any sleep or strategic you know, advantage if we did. Now. I
don't know if Israel is one of those places, but I'm telling you I
don't like it. I don't like the behavior. I don't like a lot
of the things that that government does, including the aggressive spying that they've done
against the US. But you know, I'm not allowed to say that because
now that means I hate choose. I don't like that either. So anyway,
a lot of things I guess I don't like, and the world is
as it is. So sorry advance, But look, I think if you
want to put together a whole thing about this, you could, and I'd
be more than happy to just play it if you like, and be pete
same thing. If you want to put together a ten minute thing that isn't
interrupted by me or anybody else, do it. I'll run it and we'll
see what other people have to say. Yeah, I will do that.
And I might let be Pete go and then pull in actually one listener who's
in another country that might just have become available just to have a quick chat
with him. Let him get his say in after I take a break here
on the show. But be Pete, I know you've had a long day
and i'd like to give you you know, I'm gonna put Vance on hold
and give you the final word if you don't mind for this week. This
week. Who whoops, I hit the wrong button and there we go.
Advances on hold now. But go ahead and be Pete. It's all you.
The floor is yours, sir. Well, I'd just like to say
thanks to everybody that called in Harlem, Advance and Jimmy and you know,
the discussion tonight started out on one end and kind of worked into a wormhole
at the other end. I think you could sit here and tell apart the
Middle East situation from Shack before it was any of it was a country.
You know, everybody's got their own personal opinions on it. Just not liking
some things that a country does does not make you automatically an anti semi somebody
like I said, you know, some people have confused it too they used
the anti Zionists as a way of getting away with couching their animosity towards Jews
because their Jews. You know that we've had, we've had we've had groups
like that all over the world that are are being persecuted. You know,
look at the Roma or the Gypsies in Europe and what they've been through.
You know, look at the Armenians, look at the what was that the
Tuccis and the Hutus going at it while the un was sitting there holding each
other's hands, trying to wipe each other out. Unfortunately, until the end
of time, man is his own worst enemy, and there's always going to
be people that don't like somebody else, either because of their religion or the
color of their skin or who their daddy was. I don't think we'll ever
be able to settle those differences. So we do the best we can and
try to get through day to time. And I agree with you, there
are people that hide their hate in a allegedly political stance and that's all they're
doing. Yeah. Truthfully, I've seen this lot where it's like this,
a truly anti Jewish person, where it's just they have hate for them.
So anybody who even has a remotely Jewish sounding name, they are clearly involved
in every conspiracy possible because they're Jewish. So therefore they have to be of
this certain ilk, they have to go with this certain agenda simply because they
have a Jewish name or Jewish sounding name. I've heard people do that on
podcasts. I've heard people do that on radio shows, and I find it
ridiculous, revolting, you know, assumptions about people. You don't even know
who this guy is, but a Jewish name, so therefore, and I
never get that either. I don't know. And there are people that do
it all the time. They justify their hate of Jews and they attack bankers,
They justify their hate of Jews and they attack the nation state of Israel.
But that's because they need to hide their hate in something else. There
are people who can object to banking without attaching it to every Jewish person.
There are people who can say I don't agree with our support of Israel,
and it's not necessarily because screw the Jews. There is other there's nuance here
in some cases a lot of it, though, to be honest with you,
it's a lot of people hiding their hate within that nuance, and that's
revolting too. It's just like the people who hid their revolts against you know,
the problem with the terrorists coming to get us right post nine to eleven.
The truth is there was a bunch of people that were just hateful of
brown people. They really were. It wasn't everybody like the liberals wanted you
to believe. But there were people who are like, oh, good,
I have a reason to loose my hate on these people that speak funny,
that are brown, that I don't want my country, et cetera, et
cetera. Now I've got a justification. And that's what goes on with some
people. And it goes on with not just Jews, but like I said,
with you know, Muslims, with Christians in some places, right,
they just attach you to something because you're allegedly part of a group, or
they think you are. And their hate is really easily revealed when you take
a listen to their reasoning. But I just sit here and I say,
well, I think there's a separation here. I don't like the way the
Palestinians have been treated by the State of Israel. I can object to those
things and not take a side of well, it's because I need to hate
the Jews, I want them exterminated. I'm not that guy. I don't
want anybody exterminated. I don't think it's my business to be exterminating anybody.
I don't think it's any government's business to be exterminating people. I think that
that is one of those things we need to evolve beyond as a species.
But anyway, continue to be Pete, because your point is extremely valid.
And even though you and I can slice this slightly differently, it's not coming
from a position of hate. It's coming from a position of analogical And as
much as I have supported Israel on the show in discussions in the past,
I don't agree with all of their practices. I don't agree with some of
the ways some of the ways that they treat or harass individuals simply because they
can. That's somebody just abusing the power that they have, and I've never
been a supporter of that. There's a lot of things to work out.
It won't be worked out in our lifetime. But unless the end of it,
you know, comes crashing down and we didn't know what was coming,
but you know, you can have these discussions and talk about the way that
certain people are treated under certain circumstances or in certain countries, and it's a
legitimate discussion. A lot of people shy away from it because the minute that
they the minute somebody says something negative about Israel, you've got those people that
are rapid supporters that just automatically go, we'll be an Antisthemitic. You know,
you just don't like the Jews. So it's not that I don't like
the Jews, it's you know, people treating people a certain way, and
when it's done under the guise of government, it makes it even worse.
You know, our country, our country has become very fascist in the past
few years, even with the system that we have. The Israel's got,
you know, the same, the same problem. Some of what they do
can be looked at as being extremely fascist. But then again, look at
these governing bodies in these Arab countries and you're looking at dictatorships or theocracies and
and it's the same thing. So, you know, we're all guilty of
certain things. We all have our our we all have things that we support
and things that we decry. Unfortunately, we can't all agree on those things.
And the only way to work them out is to sit down and actually
work them out. You know, you can discuss the Middle East situation all
the way back to when you know sand was created. You know, what
good does it do you you have the history of it. You've got two
groups of people that just have not been able to get along. One of
them has decided we're going to do everything, do likely off the face of
the earth, and the other ones have decided, we'll treat you any way
that we feel we need to to save our position on this earth. And
when you get to extremes, no matter what the situation is, when it
goes to extremes, and those are the two things that you're dealing with,
you're never going to get it worked out. Extremism never solved anything from the
Bolshevik Revolution to the Civil War. You know, you think about it.
So, you know, I just appreciate everybody calling in and being able to
give their opinions on things and not feel like they would be attacked for their
opinion. I think we do that very well on this show, being able
to discuss each other's positions and not attack each other for simply holding the position.
Anybody can explain why they believe in something or why they support something,
and I think we do a good job of bringing that out. So I
say we continue the discussions and over time, eventually things are going to go
and we all learned something when we have these discussions, so you know,
they're worthwhile. I don't think we should end them just because of the subject
matter. But you know, I commend everybody tonight for being able to have
a decent discussion about things, and we just seem to continue that right And
tonight was look nearly three hours. I planned on two and I was going
to go twenty over. Now we've gone almost a whole hour over, so
I'll leave it at that. B Pete, I want to thank you for
co hosting this with me, because it's not easy to do this, to
try and juggle and you know, have reasonable discussion, especially when people get
heated, but that's what it is. Hopefully you listening out there will also
join us some more, and I'm going to go to an after segment here,
I guess, and maybe add to the show. Let be Pete go
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to a segment number three here on the Friday night call in, and I
wanted to let Ray from down Under we'll call him, often seen in the
chat room as the Ford Freak, and we still have Vance on the line.
But Vance brought up a video clip which I guess is six minutes in
length. I have no idea really what the content is, but it looks
like I can just play this video clip. So I'm going to do that
and you guys can listen in and we shall see what we get here for
the after effect, which I'll just leave attached to the podcast for tonight.
So yeah, with no further ado, I'll kill my own mic and play
this piece which is apparently from the intercept, which by the way, I'm
a little little leery of the intercept sometimes, but they also do make some
good points in their stories, pieces, videos, et cetera. So let's
find out if they did so with this six minutes worth of video we're going
to listen to. Now, the Palestinian militant group Hamas has carried out brutal
acts of terror against these Radi civilians, and Israelian American leaders are always keen
to tell us how dangerous and evil Hamas is inhumanity of Ramas. I have
no sympathy for Hamas. They keeps shelling is well thousands of rockets and motors.
But what if I told you that Israel helped create Hamas. Officially,
Hamas, which is the acronym from Arabic phrase meaning Islamic resistance movement, was
founded in nineteen eighty seven, at the start of the First Palestinian Intafada uprising
against the Israeli occupation, but its roots were planted much earlier. The Hamas
founder, schechh Ahmed Yassin, was a half blind, disabled Palestinian cleric and
member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brotherhood had been repressed by the Egyptians in
Gaza prior to nineteen sixty seven, but once the Israelis invaded and occupied the
Strip. They didn't just turn a blind eye to these Islamists, they encouraged
them. See, the Israelis, especially right wing Israelis, wanted to undermine
the power of the dominant Palestinian political force at that time, the nationalist plo
at the heart of which was the secular Fatar Party of Yasa Arafat. They're
Bete Noir, Sakuni Fiedi repub dupri at it their euro Fiedi. By empowering
Sheik Yasine and the Muslim Brotherhood, Israeli leaders thought they could divide and rule
the occupied Palestinians, buy them off against each other, secular nationalists against religious
Islamists. So in nineteen seventy eight, when Yasm wanted to officially register his
Islamic Association, which was basically the precursor to Hamas, the Israelis were only
too keen to help. Yassin built and grew a network of Islamist social institutions
across Gaza, including schools and clubs and mosques, and Israel helped fund some
of those projects. Most American politicians have no clue about any of this,
although the former Republican Congressman Ron Paul once made this point on the floor of
the House. Tammas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Tamash
to color act. Yah Sir Arafare Arafat himself told an Italian newspaper quote Hamas
is a creature of Israel. He even claimed that former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak
Rabin admitted as much to him, calling it a fatal error. Now you
might be wondering why should I believe mad Ron Paul or the famously shady Yasa
Arafat. Well you don't have to. You can believe top Israeli and US
officials who've basically owned up to all this. Brigadier Yit sak Segev, for
example, who is the Israeli military governor in Gaza, and later told the
New York Times reporter that he helped finance the Islamic movement. The Israeli government
gave me a budget, he said, and the military government gives to the
mosques. Colonel David Hakam, who worked in Gaza in the late nineteen eighties
as an Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military, has admitted that the original
sin was Israeli support for Yasin in the late seventies. But at the time,
he has argued, nobody thought about the possible results. Well, Avna
Cohen did. Cohen was the Israeli official who was responsible for religious affairs in
Gaza for more than two decades life, and who now says quote Hamas,
to my great regret is Israel's creation. Yeah Cohen's words. He actually wrote
an official report to his superiors in the mid nineteen eighties, warning them not
to play divide and rule in the occupied territories and calling on Israel to quote
break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face. But no one
else on the Israeli side really took the possibility of blowback seriously at that time.
They never do, do they. Hamas has since killed far more Israeli
civilians than any secular Palestinian militant group, and its leaders have been pretty viciously
anti Israeli and even anti Semitic in their rhetoric, and sky A Scene would
eventually be assassinated by an Israeli strike in Gaza. Chech Ya Scene and its
organization, the Hamas, are responsible to the killing. So more than four
hundred Israelis. So the question shouldn't be why now, I think it should
be why not before? Why not before? Well, because before Israel was
actually nudging and winking at Yasine and co building them up as a rival to
arafats Fatah. The die was cast for blowback, both back incidentally that they
decided to double down on when they assassinated Yasine. You can hear the clouds
chanting for Hamas, and any idea that this operation would actually suppress or diminish
that organization seems to be ill judged. And the inconvenient truth is that Hamas
is in part a creature of Israel's own making, an enemy that Israel spent
more than twenty years helping to build up, and then spent the next twenty
years, the past twenty years, that is, trying to bomb, besiege,
and blockade out of existence. The three Guards of wars fought by Israel
against Hamas since two thousand and eight killed around two thousand Palestinian civilians and a
dozen Israeli civilians. That's the real human cost of blowback. David Long,
a former Middle East expert at the US State Department under Ronald Reagan, told
journalist Robert Dreyfuss. I thought the Israelis were playing with fire. I didn't
realize they'd end up creating a monster. But I don't think you ought to
mess around with potential fanatics. It's a lesson both the Israelis and the Americans
never seem to learn, though, and as usual, innocent people in this
case, Palestinians and Israelis continue to lose their lives as a result. There
you go, that's the segment from the intercept that was submitted in the chat
room by Vance. I believe anarchy did that. So Vance, there's your
piece. And we also have prey from down under with us. So well
with you, Vance, because I think you have somewhere to go or something,
So go ahead. Yeah, I got to get to Walmart four eleven
o'clock, so I'm on my way. I'm in the truck. So I
apologize if there's any noises or whatever, but no, but yeah, there's
you know the you know that in my opinion that you know, Israel was
created to be a thorn in the Middle East. There's you know, lots
of periods of time were even in you know, Palestine for you know,
hundreds of years that people lived in relatively in relative peace. You know,
Muslims and Arabs and Christians and Atheists and everything, you know, for the
most part got along. And and you know so they just like we funded
al Qaeda to you know, help you know, go against Russia and all
that, and then it turns into isis and and you know, so on
and so forth. So you know, there's there's very little question at this
point in my mind that you know, you know, war's the racket has
been established a long time ago, and so yeah, they're going to create
you know, all the the victims that they need to justify what they need
to do, and and you know, I'm just pretty disappointed and in the
you know, the ability of the average even being on the earth and to
not be appalled by what's going on, regardless of which side you're on.
You know, it's you know, you know bombing. You know, Gazas
is destroyed now, there is no they have no homes and businesses and anything
left. And you know how many times have they been through that over and
over and over. So you know, there's there's there's humanity on both sides,
and you know, a lot of it doesn't come from the government.
It's just like Max Egos and the thing, it's not like everybody in America,
you know, wants to go to war with Russia or with China,
or everybody and and and Israel wants to go to work. You know.
That's the governments, you know, and enforcing their policies to benefit their corporations
that you know, keep their economies going. And if it wasn't for all
this military spending, we'd be gone anyway. And then on top then you
know, as a side effect that it just adds to the inflation and everything
else. All these you know, billions and trillions of dollars we've spent blowing
stuff up and rebuilding it. And you know we could have been you know,
think how many dams and bridges and hospitals and you know, good things
we could have done with that type of you know effort. Now, look,
I don't object to a single thing that you were saying there, you
know, when it comes to this philosophy of like why in the hell is
this an acceptable use of funds as opposed to all these other things that could
be done while we're told that there's not enough money for this. That the
third thing you can't possibly, you know, give people access to healthcare for
real, You can't actually do this. You can't actually take care of people
here with all this money they print. You can't do it with resources here
because we don't have it. Well, we have plenty of resources to give
to plenty of other places, not just Israel, but I mean the billions
that we give there yearly, but I mean other places. Is this all
absolutely necessary? You know? Again, I'm not somebody who is unrealistic about
the fact that there will always be conflict. We will have to do things
strategically because humanity has not grown out of its rock throwing phase. True,
But is this all necessary? Is this all the best idea? Anyway?
With all that having been said, I'm gonna just put you on hol advance
and we're gonna you know, that way, you don't have to worry about
your noises or whatnot. You can hang out for a bit. But Ray,
you wanted to get in on this as well, so I want to
give you time to speak. Yeah, thanks, Chub. In my opinion,
war is the ultimate crime against humanity. It doesn't matter which side you're
on, why you're thought, or anything else. It's killing of humans.
On mass that's against humanity. I think you and I have this similar idea
that look the way that you know, I realize people say it's necessary,
it's in our nature, all this stuff. But you know the truth is
that when you talk about the idea of war, it's just one way or
another of justifying what is going to be murder. It's going to necessitate that
people that are not in uniforms, that didn't sign up, that didn't agree
to be part of whatever the conflict is. It's a guarantee that they're going
to pay for it with their lives. Just being in the wrong place at
the wrong time. It's a guarantee of mass murder. You directly say that,
and it's a justification no matter how you slice it. Oh, we
had to because of we had to because they were coming for us. We
had to fight them over there so they didn't come over here, et cetera,
et cetera. To me, and the people that were making those decisions
live in the same conditions as the people never never, never never. It's
not just a matter of Look at the congressmen and the senators who don't send
their own kids to military conflicts. Mostly mostly some do I know that,
you know some do you want to go for. You know, Joe Biden
sent his kid, Okay, okay, whatever. But at the end of
the day, the majority of what they have to face in their personal lives,
what they will lose, what damage they'll suffer, is mitigated heavily by
the fact that they usually make insider trades. They make money off of this
one way or another. Whether they get a good job at rape or whatever
it is that you know, Nikki Haley comes out of the un and goes
and gets a good job at Boeing. I think it was right, you
know, whether they get that, or they get stock options, or they
get direct payoffs, or they get lobbyists took them up one way or another,
they financially benefit off of the blood of mostly others. I mean it
sounds like props to me, doesn't it. I mean, you know,
maybe I'm wrong about that, but ray continue on? What else do you
want to say? No? What comes down to I guess it's like a
religious four kind of Back in the eight eight hundreds, there was a church,
and if I'm not mistaken, there was a church in Jerusalem that had
all three religions in the one building, praying together. If it could be
done before, why can't it be done now? Well that's interesting too,
the idea of what they call ecumenical religious gatherings right, which ecumenical effectively translates
to, you know, what is on what is in the world right where
you get representatives of the major population that's going to be listening to it one
way or another. They used to have an ecumenical roundtable on radio in New
York. Uh. They've had ecumenical gatherings where you'll see, you know,
in a mom a rabbi and a priest come together with others sometimes you know
of lesser religions in number anyway, who will come together. By the way,
that's not the only three choices on the planet, just so you know.
But I mean, there are points where people come together and say,
look, you know, we're all searching for this connection with a higher power,
with an idea that is outside of ourselves, that is above us.
And we may do it in different ways, but aren't we all at least
part of the same thing. We're all part of the human family. We're
all in search of that honest connection to that higher power. I mean,
it seems to me like religion could easily be more used as a unifying principle
as opposed to the division that it is utilized as. At this point,
it's it seems more logical to me to make it a unifying principle. What
are your thoughts there? Well, I do use it as a unifying principle
to gather numbers, to gather numbers. But then then and then point the
finger at the other religion in the site, say that I think different to
us. See, that's the otherization, right, which is useful in politics.
It's useful when it comes to social issues. It's not you know,
look, this is us, this is them. Now, why do we
need to combat them? Why do we need to eliminate them? Why do
we need to And it may not be a emination. It may be we
need to suppress their way. We need to stop them, right, I
mean we need to separate them. Good, Why can't we understand them?
Mmmm? Well, why not seek commonality? Again? You know this idea
like I said that phrase the human family, I borrow it heavily from a
couple of people. But the truth is, I believe in the concept that
we're all fairly close to related one way or another. You only go back
so many generations. Guess what happens, uh, you start crossing. So
in reality, we're all physically related to one another in a way. I
don't know if it's you know, necessarily exactly in the biblical sense. Like
some people say, you know about how there was you know, the great
flood, and therefore there's only this little slavery ahead somehow. Yeah, although
you know, Cain went and found a wife somewhere else, according to the
only ones created by good Yeah. See, I don't think so. But
I get myself in trouble when I say that to Christians, you know,
And that's the oddity here. But anyway, this is all debates about things
that are unproven that you take on faith. Why is it do you think
that people have this inability to take on faith, that commonality, that common
cause to look toward one another? And like I said, see the commonality.
You know, we've all got to eat, we've all got to have
water, We've all you know, most of us care about the future generations
that are going to be here after us for the most part. Why is
it that we can't come together you know with that old you know, I
know it's all very trite and overused and all that. But those concepts that
came out of the mouths of people in the nineteen sixties. And I don't
mean the hippies. I do mean the likes of John Kennedy, the likes
of Martin Luther King, the likes of various people who are not perfect human
beings in any way, shape or form. But who said, you know,
things like we're all going to breathe the same air. We're all on
this planet, whether you know you ascribe to a certain political belief or system
or whatever, that's not the relevant thing. The relevant thing is we're all
stuck on the same rock together, and we've all got very similar problems.
Yeah, yeah, I gotta quite sticks on this one. Why can't we
just all get along the Rodney King had for us? Yeah? Sure,
you know that's where that that comes from, right, I mean, I'm
not trying to act like from six okay, from six. Well, it's
it's a callback to Rodney King, you know, the Rodney King thing,
right? Yes, not either Rodney King thing. Okay, some guys in
Australia don't know that. You know, things like that in America that happened
I assume you're smarter than that. But I I never want to assume somebody
knows something unless I'm sure. But for listeners, in case you're not familiar,
you know, we had this thing called the La Riots. It was
kind of a rough thing that emerged after some cops were let off after beating
Rodney King nearly to death the magic baton theory, where you know, it
took ten guys to beat him down in a high speed chase in this little
car he was in. All that, okay, Anyways, Rodney King comes
out and basically in the midst of La burning up and you know, descending
into absolute chaos and fires and riots and looting and all that, Rodney King
goes on TV and basically boiled his whole statement down to that can we just
all get along? A guy had been nearly beaten to death, you know,
by the cops and all that had been a symbol that really led to
those riots, comes out and says that it's interesting, that's for sure,
but anyway, almost like it was done on purpose to create a right.
Seems that way, doesn't it. And that's back in the days when we
didn't have, you know, video cameras in our pockets either. Somebody had
to lug around one of those big video cameras to get that tape. And
there's a lot of weird questions about how that got out there. But yeah,
go ahead, go ahead, ry Oh cam cord is back in the
day when exactly cheap. They weren't cheap, they weren't easy to hide,
and you couldn't hide them, you know. So anyway, anything else that
you want to add here, Sarah, I want to you know, I
don't mean to be rude at all, but I want to close this one
out with something so and I want to give Advance a chance to say something
also at the end, if he's still there. But but you know,
go right ahead. The floor is yours. Now we can close out,
but you get some sleep back the half sick there you go. I appreciate
that. And you know, from from eighteen one hundred to eighteen sixty,
by the way, there were churches in the United States that apparently did this.
There was multiple ones. You mentioned a church, but from eighteen hundred
eighteen sixty there was this idea of bringing together first the well, there's a
gunshot right outside of my house. Did you hear that? I didn't hear
it. Wow, that was pretty loud, and the dogs are barking.
I'm gonna have to go check on things. Yeah yeah, check that shit
out, man, I'm gonna have to because that was like enough that I
felt the rattle in the floor. Somebody fired a shotgun really close to my
house. Anyways, migrants and all that, they carried different religious beliefs into
it, and this unifying principle that was first introduced bringing Presbyterians let's see a
majority concept geographical region beyond the settlement. Anyway, there's an interesting story to
that where there was this attempt to unify various religions which did later include Judaism,
not Muslim, but various types of Christianity which were quite diverse at the
time from eighteen hundred and eighteen sixty and then it's sort of evaporated. And
I wonder if the Civil War here, which was supposed to be a political
thing and over slavery allegedly, I wonder if that has anything to do with
it coinciding with the end of this episcopal you know, Presbyterian slash everybody trying
to get together under this idea that they could be unified under the higher power
concept. I wonder if that was intentionally destroyed, you know, just like
the you know, unifying the people against the elites. No, that wouldn't
be destroyed, No, not at all. Anyway, Vance, let's see,
let's get you back in here if you're still there, and let you
have the final word. Vance. Hello. Hell yeah, Man, I've
said before, and this is you know my mind. You know, no,
man is my enemy. Only ideology my own hands, and is in
me. Love set me free, Love set me free. So you know,
it's like we need an evolution, not more revolutions. And so you
know that, you know, we're all born as human beings and and you
know that's the basis of religion. There should be a human religion. And
you know they're they're all religions are basically cults. You know, the government's
a cult, the army is a cult. You know, it's all cultism,
you know, to whatever degree. And you know, the the technology
and things that we've been able to develop and everything we're supposed to free us
from, you know, all this type of stuff, and war's supposed to
be obsolete. And you know, you know the what's his name, uh
Buckminster Fuller, you know, you know, there's there's this ideology has been
around for a long time, but it gets repressed because there's no profit you
know for the corporations which basically control the world, and and so you know,
they don't want us to have a system that is you know, fair
and equitable or with you know, whatever adjectives you want to put on that
that benefits humanity as a whole. If there's no profit, you know,
it's like why why why, Well, we want free energy, you can't
charge people for free energy? Well, you know why, why why do
we need to charge people for free energy? You know, everybody needs energy,
everybody needs you know, gasoline, because we didn't develop this system that
is you know, based on and run you know on petroleum and all that
kind of stuff. But we have to you know, pay the price for
it. And so you know, they're you know, once we can start
taking the profit out of war and controlling human resources, well then maybe we
can have some peace. But as long as there's profit and controlling human resources,
you're going to have people they're going to figure out a way to control
it and make as much profit as they can, because that's what corporations do.
They exist to make profit, not to make peace. That's it.
And you know what, if it wasn't for the pain of survival and the
prospect of scarcity, combined with the overburdening of people with various ideologies, there
just might be no reason for us to kill one another any longer. Anyway,
no matter who you are, where you are, when you are,
remember I'm merely o'celly, all of you are indeed the effect. Thank you
Vance, thank you Ray, thank you Jimmy James, and of course let's
see Harlan and uh well, all of you for listening. Be Pete as
well. Have a good night guys. B Pete, definitely B Pete.
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