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You're listening to your Worst Friend Going
You're listening to your Worst Friend with Shane

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and Matt Going Deeper, Season four. My name's Matt, and I'm joined

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today by my friend and co host
Shane. Hi. I'm Shane. Today.

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We have a lovely world traveled guest. I'm assuming I don't know.

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I read her background. It looks
like the United Nations. I love it.

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As listeners of the show know that
is it's not not my type,

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but that is really Shane's type.
And then the opposite side of that is

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she has tattoos like she just got
off Warped Tour O six, which is

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my type. So I think we're
gonna have a really fun time today.

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I think we're gonna have to play
Sweeties my type on the outro. Yeah.

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I don't have the rights to that, so we won't be but thanks.

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You can listen to that on YouTube
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Ladies and gentlemen, today we have
with us Arabel Raphael, Arabel, thank

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you very much for being on with
us. Thanks for having me. Wonderful

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you can find her now this We've
talked about this before. I am fully

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erect right now, all four inches
of it hard because not because she's hot.

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She has matching social media across the
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she That tells me Zuckerberg is checking
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I can't boot this girl. I
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Thank you very much for coming on, Thanks for having me. Yeah sure,

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I think I said that a couple
of times already. So you,

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like I said, or when I
read your description, you're about me.

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If you will, I could have
seen a different life for you, and

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I want you to tell me where
it went right now. If I was

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Ted Cruz, I would say sorry, I don't mean to make a political

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If I was some conservative politician,
I would say, where did it go

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wrong? But tell me where it
went right for you? So your background

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reads like this. You were born
in Paris, France. Yes, you

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are Tunisian, French, Iranian and
Jewish. Yeah, okay, all right,

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here's you currently live in the Bay
Area. That's just a Los Angeles.

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Okay, los Angeles. I've never
been west of Pennsylvania, but that's

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fine. I could have seen you
go into good schools, getting a job

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in marketing, working in Manhattan,
you know, living Lower West Side,

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something like that, making good money. You meet some finance bro, you

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get married to, um, maybe
you have some kids, or maybe maybe

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you guys wait too long to like
have kids because you're both working on your

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career, so maybe you adopt.
Who knows. I could have seen you

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going that way, just based on
my which is probably considered racist, a

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view of your you know, diverse
background and your world traveled and this and

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that. Where did it go right
for you? Where did you go?

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Nah? That's not it for me. I was in school for a bit,

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and I don't know. I've always
been like a pervert, like in

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that natural born ferver, always been
really like sexually curious and like and very

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into like from like drag Queens to
like Jessica Rabbit to whatever, all these

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like really extra like extra ultra like
a comedic form of like femininity. It

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was like hot and cool and interesting, and so that's always been a part

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of me. And then I was
in school, I just was curious.

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I was like doing like nude modeling
already, like that was already. I

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grew up in like the suicide girl
like era, Like you know, I

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want to be a suicide girl.
You know, when I'm like nineteen,

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we're about two years off indifference.
So I'll tell you that were you,

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and I'll I'll let you get back
to your thing. But you just reminded

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me when you said suicide girl.
Were you exposed to porn like most people

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like teen and stuff like that,
when you were a team not team you

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just never want to associate the word
teens too closely with porn, but when

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you were a team. Because I'll
tell you the girl that really set my

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sights off in terms of what I
like in a style and an aesthetic and

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stuff like that, And I think
you'll know her if you were into it

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back then. And I've been in
contact with her and she won't get back

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to me. Liz Vicious. Do
you know Liz Vicious? So in a

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rob Rotten stuff, I don't know. I think she did mostly independent stuff,

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but she was doing this ship back
in two thousand and five, two

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thousand and six, so around the
time Burning Angel was coming about. Yeah,

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so that I mean, and you've
worked with Burning Angel before, which

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is I think incredible and awesome,
but it's it's it's okay, so sorry.

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That's that's my one where I go
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that after the fact, she is
still doing a little bit of independent stuff,

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but she had her own site and
everything else back in like too.

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I mean, it was might as
well have been Geo Cities or whatever else

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they were pushing out bund or something. But that was when I started my

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thing for like you know, like
you said, perverted but also kind of

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like alt chicks and I hate to
like put everyone in boxes, but that

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is what porn does, you know? Yes? Um uh so when did

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you I mean growing up? Then
again, like I said, you're in

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Paris and whatever did you did you
come to the US. You came to

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the US in about five years old, I read, right, yeah,

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okay, all right, So when
did you start getting like your esthetic behind

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you? When were you like fuck
man? And was it music inspired?

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Was it TV inspired? Movie in
spot? What was it that like you're

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like, I just need to get
tats all over because it's it's what I

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feel. Well. I was always
like outsider, just different like kind of

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flavors. Like when I was in
the fifth grade, I read a historical

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fiction, you know, I like
had like bore glasses, had curly hair,

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was like kind of a fucking nerd, but like not like had good

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enough grades to be like the like
the really murder. I was just way.

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I was just weird. I was
weird and then like you know,

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uh, twelve years old like that, I like discovered like like punk and

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metal and like golf music. I
like I got into all of the like

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alternative music scenes like kind of like
around twelve years old, um, and

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then have been in and out of
like the music scene for early long time

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too. So yeah, yeah,
yeah sure, but yeah I was just

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always weird and just kind of changed
now like people think I'm cool and have

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you know, but really I just
have big tits and tattoos, you know

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what I mean. I think that's
cool. I think that's very cool.

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I still think it's weird, you
know, as before, Sure, sure,

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sure, so it seems like,
yeah it it probably hit us around

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the same time. Was it the
whole was it the whole pop punk skate

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punk type thing that came in and
then you explore the older stuff along with

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that or no, am I just
totally off. I was just watching Blink

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one eighty two clips from Coachello all
day yesterday, and I feel like that's

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too fucking soft for you. You're
probably like, oh, this guy's a

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pussy. I like that when I
was like like eleven, Sure, yeah,

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something in nostalgic. So I never
liked Brancid, like so, I

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never liked a lot of the like, but I like some pop punk.

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I like The Descendants, that's pop
punk. I like The Dead Milkman.

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Sure, um yeah, so I
do. There are certain job Breaker isn't

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bad. There's some stuff that I
like. But you know, I grew

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up in the same town as like, yeah, Rancid and Green Day and

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all that stuff. That's bless my
gym. I'm I was way more just

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in general, like into hardcore and
like mes just metal, Okay, all

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right, cool, Yeah, I
feel like I mean, I have some

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fas. I'm not going to pretend
that I didn't like like Blink one,

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ay two when I was a kid. Sure, I always saw those as

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kind of the avenue into the harder
stuff for me at least. We grew

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up kids just in Jersey. You
know, we're not anywhere near We're polar

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opposite from where you grew up.
So it sounds like, um so,

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then we have the entry it's entry
level. You go through it. Yeah,

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it's the small ramp at the skate
park before you learn to drop in.

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Yeah, I get it, I
get it. I get it.

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Um So, then take us through
later on into your life. When do

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you go, I'm going to get
into porn now, like this is this

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is like is it a jump right
to porn? Did you do any kind

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of stripping first or anything like that
and whatever your first entry into sex work

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was. What were you feeling at
that time? Where was their trepidation?

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Was there like excitement? I assume
it's a bundle of everything, but go

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ahead, Oh, it's everything,
everything all at once. Um And you

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don't realize how big of a decision
you're really making, Like because I mean

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this is that, you know,
I was w I was a nude model,

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and then I just be more and
more curious of like making more sexually

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explicit content. And so one day
I just signed up to kink dot COM's

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like application, and that is how
I started in sex work. I've done

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a lot of different types of sex
work over the years, but like that,

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my first entry into it was pornography. And yeah, I mean I

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like gained a lot and lost a
lot. You know. Um, it

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was it's like, yeah, it's
everything at all went and you don't really

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Yeah, it's you're just not very
aware of just how much this will like

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affect the rest of your life.
You know. Um, Luckily I enjoy

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it, but it's like it's a
wild ride. You know. I've never

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asked this before and and I don't
believe it, but it's just something to

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ponder and to think about. Here, do you think do you think the

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age of entry should be opped a
little bit for something like porn? That's

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that's not an argument I'm making.
It's literally just a thought experimental, But

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yeah, I have really really mixed
feelings about it. I think in some

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ways, like I don't like taking
away any way folks can like survive and

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make a living from people and no
matter if like maybe I don't think they're

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like maybe mentally ready, like shit
happened and like time sometimes like that could

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be in a way like situation saving
for folks. Right, here's that.

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At the same time, do I
feel like making such a big life altering

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decision at a young age is a
great idea? No? Man, I

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feel the same way about the military. I think that should have a higher

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age. Straight. I think eighteen
is really young. You're not You're still

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a child. You still have a
team, your brain hasn't developed yet.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm
thirty four and I feel like I'm a

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young adult. Yeah. No,
I'm going to be fifty before I go

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like, yeah, I think I'm
ready to grow up now. At this

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point, I just don't want to. We're the same age, I guess

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because I'm thirty four two and I
still feel like I'm a kid, just

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like waiting for somebody to tell me
what to do. Like I wake up

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every day and I take my kid
to school, and then I'm like,

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oh, man, where's my dad
to tell me what to do? All

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day? You know? Yeah,
yeah, and all you did was spend

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your youth going like, motherfucker,
if these people could just leave me alone,

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Yeah, I wish God, I
hate this motherfucker. Okay, all

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right, so what was your first
scene? Do you remember your first scene?

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Does it become a blur at some
point, like do you remember your

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third scene? Or is that just
like your age? No, I remember

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the first like war, Okay,
fair enough, I think first or three

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something. I got my first scene. It was a public disgrace. It

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was weird, so I got hired
in a different way. It was someone

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else's public disgrace, and King Kad
hired me to be one of the like

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extras that ends up sucking or touching
them or like you know. But the

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whole thing that they did was like, how do you publicly disgrace the attention?

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Horror? Don't give her any attention. So this person's public disgrace turned

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into just me getting fucked the entire
time in public. And that was ever.

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That was like the first time I
did anything like that. And then

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I did Burning Angel after. I
think I did do Burning Angel scenes after

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because I had myth Um, an
actor that was dating Joanna Angel at the

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time, and he introduced me to
her, and that's how I started doing

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Burning Angel One. That's funny you
start. It's funny you started out as

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a as an almost like an extra
in a way where it's almost like Quentin

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Tarantino pulling somebody off the side and
going, you're gonna be with Brad Pitt.

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Now just converse with him for a
while, and uh, you know

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what, Let's keep more. Let's
keep the camera on arabell more because Brad

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is fine, but we really want
to center on this. That's so,

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I mean, does that happen often
in porn? Or did you just have

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the right look at the right time
and the right willingness to do things?

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Have you ever seen anything like that
to that degree happened before on any of

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the other sets you were on?
Oh what do you what do you mean?

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What do you mean? You said
it? Maybe I was confused by

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the story. It sounded like you
were on the set to be or oh

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yeah, no, this is not
normal. But oh okay, okay,

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okay, okay, okay, all
right, Oh yeah, for sure,

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for sure. No, I mean
I think it's something I can but no,

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not not like that. It was
a different This is also a different

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time porn. You know, there's
been a lot of change in the last

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like even just the thirteen years.
And I know before like the people I

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know, they've been around longer than
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like evolution in the in the last
leg dec I mean, porn is ever

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changing, right, Sure, it's
worth it. So a lot of things

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that have like how it would have
happened then, like wouldn't necessarily have No,

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I'd say, is it for the
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we've talked to girls going both ways. We've talked to a girl who started

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out probably fifteen years ago, Trinity
Saint Clair. Maybe I don't want to

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date her too much, but yeah, and she talks about how back then

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there are different parts where maybe like
a guy on set is having trouble getting

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hard and the girl would just go
or it'll help him out. But she's

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also been on sets nowadays where the
girl just walk away and bury yourself in

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her phone and whatever like that.
Like that's just an example of challenging times.

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Do you think. I guess progress
seems like it is always for the

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better, But I mean, is
it such a drastic change that you notice

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it and you go like all of
this is good, or are there certain

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things that you've taken away that you
enjoyed that have changed in the industry,

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or are there things where you go, man, look, I wish they

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would do this. It would make
it so much easier, better, make

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it for better work. It would
be you know that it's changed for the

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better. I do. I think
there's a lot more to like, a

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lot more progress to be had,
But in general, I like where it's

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going for the most part. And
I am someone like I don't know you

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take that example, like if you're
not a dick, like if you're a

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nice co star, like I'll help
you out, you know, But I

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like the option of like that not
being an expectation. Sure right, because

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like that's not my job. But
like I am someone that's like when your

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chill, like yeah, why not, I'm going to be doing it anyways.

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Sure, sure, sure, yeah, yes, as soon as you

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get that up, we're gonna run
the camera and we're gonna do that anyway,

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so it might as well. Yeah, But like I do like that

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that's less of an expectation because that
is like I've definitely like done like gang

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bangs and like people like kind of
expecting that, and I'm like, I'm

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about to take on five of you, Like I don't really want to fluff

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you, like get that ship on
my face right now. Maybe maybe you

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could just do your job over there
and I'll be over here as the human

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pin push for a while. Yeah
yeah, come on, girl, you're

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right, I guess that. Yeah, okay, all right, that's an

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interesting take on it. I think
that's good and I think that is progress

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for sure. Yeah yeah, And
I think there's just like I don't know,

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I have an easier time working than
I ever did. I mean,

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it's hard to compare because like I
have a built fan base now and like

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what you know, I have like
a name that like is established. But

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it was like extra hard with especially
girls that are like this heavily tattooed,

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Like you know, we were on
Burning Angel and like that was and then

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there'd be like a couple here and
there that would get to do stuff.

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But also there was kind of this
expectation, and I feel like I do

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like I'm like I would say I'm
midwild, Like I am not a vanilla

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performer by any means, but I
am also not the girl who's taking like

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three dicks in our ass, which
is awesome. I just physically cannot do

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it, yeah, saying I'm going
to kick it over to a question for

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you after we do this one.
So we do a little game on here

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called sack, right, because when
we started doing these interviews, we would

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ask this question, and inevitably we
would say, what is something that you,

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okay, would not take any amount
of money to do? Or what

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is something you may or someone you
may take a discount to work with,

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or a type of scene that you
love so much that it comes a little

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bit lower than your normal rate,
but you're like, fuck, I love

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that side or I want to work
with that performer or whatever. So the

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first part we call it SACK,
which stands for shit, Animals and kids,

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because when we would ask the question
what would you not take any money

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to do? Some of the girls
would be like, well, I wouldn't

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fuck a dog, and we would
go, yeah, we know that,

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Like those are the three that if
you tell me you're going to I got

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to hang up the phone on you
right here. So take those out of

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the equation. But is there anything
you would not the example I always give

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every episode people hear this, but
one of the first interviews we did was

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Sarah Jay. Sarah Jay has never
done an anal scene ever. She's been

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offered, you know, five digits, you know, a good amount of

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money to do one, and she
just never has. She doesn't want to.

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She chooses not to all of that. What is something if there is

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something where you would not really because
you said you don't go to the you

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know, the furthest end of the
spectrum in this what is something where you

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would just be like, yeah,
now I'm not I don't want to do

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that either you don't like how it
feels or you don't like how it's going

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to eventually end up looking on camera, or what is something or something you're

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just not comfortable doing sexually. So
I mean there's a there's probably a lot,

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and yeah, money really doesn't and
that's like definitely just a privileged money

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like does not at this point,
does not go into why I like to

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take a booking or not when I'm
working for other people at this point,

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which I'm super before. But mmmm. Fuck. By the way, by

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the way, don't let producers hear
you say that, like money is not

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so much an issue anymo. No, no, no, no, no,

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it's an issue, just not not
right now. Don't let anyone short

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change you. Oh no, no, no, I was kidding. I

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was okay, yeah, I was
just kidding. I was kidding here,

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all right, Sorry, go ahead
back to your thinking. Yeah, I

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don't know. There's a bunch of
different stuff. I don't. I don't

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like to do anything that's gonna get
my like hurt my body or like really

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like take it out for long periods
of time because it's not really words,

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it's me anymore. Um, but
I guess I would not. I don't

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really Okay, I don't want to
like do heavy corporal punishment for scenes ever

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again. And I have and I'm
really enjoyed it what I did. But

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like now I have like absolutely no
interest in that. There is no amount

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of money and what is that like
canning? Is that like yeah, yeah,

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okay, heavy like nipple clan like
just all the like heavy stuff.

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Like there's some pink, submissive pink
stuff because I still like get slipped around,

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I look getting choked. Like it's
not like I'm you know, not

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have no submissive like side of me, but like I'm definitely pretty much down

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done with like kind of like slave
dynamics. And like yeah, heavy heavy,

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heavy BDSM with like specifically yeah co
pro okay, And then what about

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the inverse of that, where is
something again money not so much a thing,

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but then maybe factor that in.
What is the type of scene that

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maybe you haven't been able to shoot
yet or something you have shop maybe once

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that you're like fuck, like you're
talking to an agent or self booking and

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you're reaching out to people like hey, by the way, I'd like to

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do one of those again if you
could send it my way, or I'd

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like to work with that person again. Please, is there anything like that?

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I would really like to shoot a
by scene. I have not done

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that in thirteen years, which is
like, yeah, right, it's a

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long time. I would really like
to shoot a by scene. I'm so

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looks specify you mean by like two
dudes going at you and they're also blowing

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each other and stuff. Yeah yeah
cool, Yeah, Like I was just

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gonna say, well, look,
you have two dudes right here. I

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don't mind kiss and Shane. Um
No, that's just a lot of really

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interest Matt, Yeah, shut the
fuck up. What kind of market is

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that? Does that? Like?
Okay, let me ask you who likes

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watch and this is not a negative
thing. I'm not saying like who the

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funk likes watching who likes watching that? Do girls like watching that? Do

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bisexual guys? Sure? Yeah,
I watched that. Sh you think girls

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like watching it? I don't know, something like lesbian born. I don't

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know that a lot of guys like
watching that, except for like the ones

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that were like beat by priests when
they were younger. There's like there's the

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crowd. It's a smaller crowd,
sure, true, but by this but

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yeah, for sure, Like it's
not the same lesbian doesn't say it's sell

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the same as like boy girl like
sure right right, Like my wife prefers

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lesbian stuff. Um is like the
difference I'm saying where you would normally think

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like, oh shit, two chicks
together. Yeah, well, guys ain't

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coming out as much for it as
I feel like girls are. So the

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guys really like trans women and sis
women. I think guys like dick in

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their porn. Sure, yeah,
no matter what happens with it, like

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they want a lot of I'm talking
to the majority none every dudes. And

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the woman was like, I know, but like yeah, like I think

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guys are really like sick their porn
and like, yeah, so, but

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I don't think they care with like
how it really happens. Really No,

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yeah, I don't care, no, no, no, yeah, I'm

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totally cool with it as many and
as big as we can find. And

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I'm the straightest guy in the world. I love watching gang bang porn.

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It's just my thing I like.
But I don't like. Now let me

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ask you, so we straight Yeah, that's my title, obnoxiously straight.

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So you said you've shot gang bang
porn before, right, I believe.

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Now let me ask you which do
you prefer? And I think I have

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a feeling based on what you just
said. But I really like the stuff

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where it is not a woman necessarily
being dominated, it is a woman is

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the center of attention, right,
Like these guys. I don't need like

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guys and collars or anything like that, but I need guys to like understand

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they are privileged to be there,
not like, hey, we got three

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holes, pick one? You know
what I mean? U I am,

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But yeah, I prefer number too. I've done three different types. I

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don't even know what the third type
could be. No, i'd say too.

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But I've done three different gang bays. First one was like very rape

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scene scenario. Hated it, wasn't
into it and it was very much like

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you just getting ravaged. But like
just but I don't know, I don't

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like it. Number two cock hungry
slut loved it, adored it, and

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it was just me. It was
just the me shell, you know,

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and it was a good time and
it was it was really fun to be

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just like yeah, just being slutty
and like, yeah, feeling it kind

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of like celebrated. It was.
It was super fun um and then the

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third was cool and it was fun. At that point, I think I

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lost the novelty of the game bag. But but yeah, I don't know.

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I definitely I like. I like
being showcased and what I can do,

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and it's kind of like like,
look what I can do, like

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because it's not easy. It's not
an easy it's not easy to do is

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not easy. So it's uh,
I don't know. It's a really cool

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experience too, sure, sure,
the center of attention one is the cool

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experience, right yeah, yeah,
Now the first one I didn't enjoy.

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Some people do. It was just
stuff for me. But you know,

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I've always I'm usually open to trying
things like one and seeing if I like

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it or not, and I was
just like great, fancy not for I,

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um, but like, yeah,
it was super fun to just be.

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I was just like a slutty like
Alice in Wonderland. It's really fun.

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Fair enough, Shane, you have
to if you have a question,

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I can just go all day.
So I'm sorry. Yeah, I wanted

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to talk about the stuff outside of
porn. Um. Matt showed me some

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of your I guess we could just
call it artwork. I guess your photography.

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Um. Um it was a specific
uh theme right where it was.

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It was comments that had been posted
and then you turn them into pieces of

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art. So let me please.
Can I plug it? You want me

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to plug it? Or do you
not really up to it? Okay,

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cerebral Musings dot com is uh some
of the stuff I saw? Um,

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Shane continue with the question, I
just want to plug that. Oh yeah,

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I just want to know if that
was your first time doing something like

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that, if you just did it
on a whim, or if you if

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you have like a whole bunch of
artistic endeavors outside of your porn career.

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Um, I've been so. I
actually went to an art school, got

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kicked out, um for literary writing, and then I make dioramas um and

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used to paint like a ton in
high school. So I've always like been

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creative. I'm when I got into
adult I definitely started making way less because

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I was funneling my creativity in a
different way. Um. So that's actually

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something I'm like working on to like
start making stuff again. Um. But

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yeah, so that that that series. I basically I had the idea for

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a long time. I didn't know
what I was going to do with it.

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I just like for years I started
collecting like the most hurt horrible or

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the weirdest like comment and even I
have another thing that I started with,

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like acts of praise but like better. It's basically just how people respond to

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one sex workers and just in general
public personas and how much they like project

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and either you are like the scum
of the earth or you're put on a

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pedestal to a point of like not
human being. Basically you're no longer human

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when you're your friede. Yeah,
exactly when you're up for like public consumption

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like that. So that was kind
of the idea, and also that I

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was just like reflecting a mirror of
like this is actually like what you're saying

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to somebody right now, like this
is what you're working upon me. Um,

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So, I didn't know what I'm
gonna do with it. And then

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finally I was invited to do on
art show in San Francisco, and so

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I kind of like decide to just
do that. I've not done a lot

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of like photography, Like I'm not
a photographer. I'm very much I just

409
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:57.559
kind of jell alter. I just
try a bunch of different things. And

410
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.880
obviously I have like a mom like
background and all that kind of stuff.

411
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:07.799
To yourself, I knew enough to
start playing around. I like your idea

412
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.039
of the positive comments, but it
really the one you did before the uh,

413
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.319
you know, negative comments. It's
a brilliant concept. It's it's almost

414
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.279
like I'm looking at them and I
don't want to share it because it'll take

415
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.920
it away from you, but I'm
looking at them now and it's really like

416
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.880
to me, it's it's this is
how you're making Arabell feel through your comments.

417
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:32.759
These are the representations of your comments, and look at You're very beautiful

418
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.920
in them, but look at the
ugliness this person is spewing out with this

419
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.720
comment. And let me try and
do something with it to make you feel

420
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.000
that way, and I think it's
awesome. I always appreciate any kind of

421
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:48.160
art, even even the not that
this is that, but the silliest,

422
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.279
dumbest art, Like you still have
to sit there and you have to think

423
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.200
about this is stupid to say,
but I think about it with albums.

424
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.119
You ever buy an album and there's
two good songs on it, well,

425
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.400
there's eight other songs that someone was
sitting there going like this is how I

426
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.920
really feel like. This is me
getting like emotions out. Yeah, maybe

427
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:08.920
maybe some corporate entity fucking roade it
up for them, but you know,

428
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.960
I think people need to have more
of an appreciation for art, and that's

429
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.359
part of the reason we do this, because there is an art aspect to

430
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.079
porn as well. There can be
I mean, obviously it has a utility

431
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:27.240
I will be using after this interview, but uh yeah, there's there's you

432
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.640
know, there's an art aspect to
it, and I think people should have

433
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.680
a little more respect for it and
for the artists in that aspect. No,

434
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:40.200
and I mean performing is an art. It can be really boring to

435
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:48.839
watch. Fuck yeah yeah, actual
skill that goes into it and portraying like

436
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.839
actual essentiality. There are some performers
that are not essensial, you know,

437
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.160
like you're just kind of like,
what are you doing? You know they're

438
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.480
dirty or whatever. But it's like
there's no I don't know, there is

439
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.079
a craft too, I like to
say, and I repeat myself all the

440
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.799
time. But it's fine that like
porn, like a good scene. When

441
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.720
I shoot a good scene, it
feels like an un choreographed ballet, like

442
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.359
right, it feels like creative,
energetic, like all the end. You

443
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.960
have to create a whole like a
vibe, and you have to sell it

444
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:23.000
because you you know that's not correct. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's

445
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.839
totally it's performance, so just performing
itself as an art, and then people

446
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:32.359
can take a step further further in
the way they produce porn porn, whether

447
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.759
it be like the aesthetics or like
story or whatever the fuck you know.

448
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.599
Sure, my favorite thing is when
people want to criticize something. My new

449
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.559
thing is like, hey, hey
that movie sucks, Hey this sucks.

450
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.519
I didn't like that ending. I
don't do that. I immediately just asked,

451
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.640
what would you do differently? Because
it's almost like a lot of people

452
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.880
have criticisms, and very few of
them have answers. And for me,

453
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.400
when people criticize porn stars or porn
whatever, it's like, Hey, Bud,

454
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.079
are you sitting in your basement type
in this right now? Like,

455
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.079
what did you do today? Did
you go out and perform? Did you

456
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.039
go out and bear your soul and
your body to everybody in the world you're

457
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:14.680
most today? Yeah? Did you
show anyone in bole today? And what

458
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.200
else? It's just like there's also
so much kinds of porn out there,

459
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.240
you know. The people who are
like, oh, all porn is this,

460
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.359
I'm like, actually, really haven't
been digging because there's so much different

461
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.200
kinds of shit. There's really every
like something for everyone, every kinnie,

462
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.160
really, every whatever. So like
when people also like to make blankets statements

463
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.240
and about like porn, I'm like, there's like all kinds out there,

464
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:44.680
you know. Sure, Um Jane, any of the questions, Um,

465
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:50.480
yeah, do you want to shoot
a scene with my wife? I don't

466
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.119
know. I will have to look
up your wife south Sends you are a

467
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.720
link. Well, let me let
me ask you so in terms of only

468
00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.640
fans and producing and shooting your own
content and stuff like that, how do

469
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.880
you go about that? Do you? Is it like you're the studio and

470
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.400
everything right off the bat? Do
you mostly look for collaborations? Are you

471
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:14.400
putting together the entire thing? Are
you what is your only fans? Like?

472
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.799
Do you have a vision board like
from the Secret? I do not

473
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:24.920
know. So I do a lot
of different kinds of stuff I will make,

474
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.079
Like the content I making could be
from like amateur home personal to like

475
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:37.160
a studio like production, mainstream studio
production. Sometimes you know, it's like

476
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.640
me doing everything the editing and whatever. Sometimes I have other people do it.

477
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:45.920
I kin depends on the project how
complex it is. And I like

478
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.519
variety. I like making a lot
of different types of stuff. So I

479
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.559
like to make a lot of different
kind of porn changeup looks. But I

480
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:57.279
do I'm aware of, like I
mean, the biggest moneymaker for me,

481
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.279
and I think it's not just me. I think it's most people. Bowl

482
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:06.119
is the amateur content. Is the
stuff that folks really really because there's this,

483
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:13.760
It's the interesting porn stars in the
last like the last twenty years kind

484
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:22.880
of shifted from like being unattainable like
Hollywood stars, and it's kind of gone

485
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:29.360
into online escorting. Companionship with that, I'm not talking about actually meeting folks

486
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.039
with people, but stuff like girlfriend. Yeah sure, yeah, you're an

487
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.840
interact girlfriend. And it's so that's
like really changed. Right before, if

488
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.280
you wanted to meet a porn star, you were either paying a lot,

489
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.519
a lot a lot of money for
a one on one situation, right,

490
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:49.719
or you were going to conventions.
Now only not everybody goes to porn conventions.

491
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.800
Not everybody goes to conventions, right, And that was the only way

492
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.559
you were going to meet or otherwise
they were stars you don't interact, and

493
00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.559
now like it's you're talking to your
favorite porn are every day for some you

494
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:06.639
know folks. Um, So that's
like changed so much. So I think

495
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.800
it makes sense that the content that
makes the most money is like more amateur

496
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.159
because it's more personal or whatever.
But yeah, I like it all like

497
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:19.440
a bunch of shit, so amateur
it's good now, Yeah to piggyback off

498
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.719
at amateur. So like what your
your best content or best selling content,

499
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:29.159
your most popular would be like stuff
you're doing on your phone or um,

500
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.000
like it's going to have like a
certain aesthetic, right is that? Is

501
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.000
that what you mean? Like maybe
like you're alone in your bathroom type deal

502
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.000
alone or even like a hook up
with a hookup that's like held on a

503
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:44.840
phone, something that's more of like
a sex tape. Um. You know,

504
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.800
I've noticed even just like photography,
like you know, the artier gets

505
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:52.239
the most people are interested, which
for me, like I obviously I like

506
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:58.760
I think a lot of models like
that's where we I enjoy both. It's

507
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.079
just different. I'm sorry my dog. No, you're totally fine. I

508
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:07.960
do she had a dog? Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, there you

509
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.360
go. Um, so that's that's
interesting. So we've asked this too,

510
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.880
and we've gotten a variety of answers. But do you, and this is

511
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.119
not an indictment of the industry at
all, do you like shooting mainstream porn

512
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.760
or is it an advertisement for your
only fans? Because oh my god,

513
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.880
there's a fly it's about to bite
your face. Oh I know it's got

514
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:37.320
away. Um, do you like
mainstream porn or is it just a great

515
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.960
advertisement for your only fans? Not
that you dislike it, but you know

516
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.159
what I'm saying. Some girls call
to say, like I love being on

517
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.119
set, I love shooting, I
love the lights, I like the professionalism,

518
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.440
I like this and that, and
some girls know they're going to be

519
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.440
at the top of brassers on the
thing and someone's going to look at it

520
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:53.480
and go, look, I'll go
to see if she as an only fan.

521
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.719
So how do you view it?
I mean I view it as both.

522
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.719
I really really enjoy performing, I
really do. I love it,

523
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.840
and it is cool to like have
some be a part of someone else's vision

524
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.199
and do something else like that's fun. I mean, I've always enjoyed.

525
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.159
I love playing like make Believe,
like it's it's a good time. So

526
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.639
I just like it. But like
I'm also aware that it is good for

527
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:23.159
me, and I'm selective on like
what these days. But that's also more

528
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:30.880
less about me not liking about preserving
like work you were cutting out a little

529
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:37.480
bit less less about something and preserving
your well my body and just like caring

530
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.440
for it and not overworking it and
all that kind of stuff and health.

531
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:49.679
So that's more of the reason why
I'm like more selective with it. But

532
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.519
no, yeah, I don't know. For me, it's definitely both,

533
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.280
like that's definitely like a really great
thing about it, and I also,

534
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.760
yeah, I really I enjoy being
on set and I don't have I don't

535
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.679
have to be there, right,
Um, I have a big enough following

536
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.880
at this point people know you and
my only fans. But like you know,

537
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.280
and yeah, it's great promo,
but you can make promo and up

538
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:15.840
you promote yourself in different ways that
that has nothing to do with mainstream born

539
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.039
I do. Yeah, I enjoy
it. I'm glad to be there,

540
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.519
you know what I mean. Yeah. Um, So I have a question

541
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:29.280
that you're not gonna answer. No, No, you won't do it.

542
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.159
I am confident you won't do it, but I would like to. You

543
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.280
have worked with some of the loves
of my life. Um. In fact,

544
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.079
you've worked with at least one girl
who's on this season. Um,

545
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.639
who was your favorite female performer to
work with? And this is not an

546
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.199
indictment of any of the numbers two
through whatever, But do you have a

547
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:55.119
favorite female performer that you've ever worked
with? Uh? No, just because

548
00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:02.039
I've I've show with so many babes. Sure, so many hot, smart,

549
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:07.320
sexy, perverted like weirdos, and
they're all hot for a living,

550
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.519
so it's just like to have one. But I also don't have a favorite

551
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:14.960
band. I don't have a favorite
author. I like too many things to

552
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.880
have, like that one thing that
I'm like, I understand, I understand

553
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.000
you probably got a list of favorites. Yeah, yeah, but I do

554
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:23.719
have a list. Yeah, I
would have a list. There are people

555
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.079
that like, if I keep making
content with someone, it's because I'm having

556
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.559
like a good time with her enough. Yeah, I look at this list.

557
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:35.920
So Anna Fox, I would marry
her. Charlotte, I would obviously

558
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:39.360
marry her. Um, Joanna,
I mean, come on, that's pretty

559
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:45.079
much my way. Oh well,
that's good to hear. I terrified her

560
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.800
at Exotica this year. I ran
up to her, I think as there

561
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.079
was something going on behind her,
and I had a fucking business card and

562
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:54.719
I was like, oh, I'd
love to do an interview with you.

563
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:58.360
Sometimes she goes, oh yeah,
okay, thanks, all right, Like

564
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.960
I had leprosy, so that was
my fault. I will eventually get her

565
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.079
back on. But um yeah,
no. I mean, you've worked with

566
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.840
a lot of big names but also
really great performers. Not just names because

567
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.800
I won't name them, but there
are some big names who I watched their

568
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.920
scenes and I'm like, you're you're
hot, but you don't perform that well.

569
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:20.519
No, totally. There's some people, is exactly it. Some people

570
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.920
are just taught and that's enough for
someone for sure. Let me ask you

571
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.679
one quick question. Could a girl, because you seem very intelligent when it

572
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:34.679
comes to the social media aspect of
stuff as well, right, and I

573
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.480
pose this to someone else before I'd
like to bring it back Shane, as

574
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.599
like as a thing, all right, and we're just saying on the general

575
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:46.599
scale, okay, could a girl
that is a ten versus a girl that's

576
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:52.480
a six make more money if the
ten has no idea what TikTok even is,

577
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:58.559
but the six knows all the social
media algorithms. How important is social

578
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:04.079
media to you all? You know? I mean, is that your best

579
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.679
selling lead to be able to get
out there to people? Yeah? Yeah,

580
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.320
so I think yes, I think
I think that like social media savviness,

581
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.320
you will out I knew, yes
very much. So okay, okay,

582
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.440
yeah we'll outweigh someone's looks. For
sure. If you have the looks

583
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.760
but don't know what you're doing and
don't whatever, it might not go anywhere.

584
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:30.440
I know plenty of like sex workers
that were like way more commercially attractive

585
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.519
or like whatever, and like they
always like just fumbled the bag, you

586
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:39.679
know, Um, because yeah,
you have to you have to be savvy.

587
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:46.920
Um. Yeah, okay, all
right, Shane questions. UM let

588
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.639
me think I did have a bunch
in my head, but I'm so mesmerized

589
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:58.440
by everything she's saying. You know, I did notice you're you're definitely like

590
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.880
I think Matt said at the beginning, worldly, Um, like you have

591
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.039
this kind of vibe about you where
you you seem to be like, um

592
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.719
wise beyond your years. Do you
do you notice that like with other performers,

593
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.360
do you have like a do you
get a sense that like the ones

594
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:21.800
who who really get ahead they kind
of have like an extra like a little

595
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.280
bit of knowledge? Because I mean
we've talked to some performers who, like

596
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.079
you know, you're carrying this conversation
with us, we'll ask a question that

597
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.239
is an open ended question and it's
like yeah, yes, you know,

598
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:37.280
it's like yeah, they're just lifeless, you know. Um do you do

599
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.440
you do you find that? Um? Maybe, I mean I assume that's

600
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.159
like that's probably been with you your
whole life. But um, one is

601
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:50.400
that something that can be taught?
And two is that like is that something

602
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:54.159
that you know you think keeps you
a cut above the competition in the in

603
00:42:54.199 --> 00:43:00.440
the porn world. I mean,
I mean I feel old in general because

604
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.679
you know, I'm at thirty four
and get messed up with like nineteen year

605
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.199
olds and twenty year olds all the
time. I think you should feel young.

606
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:12.440
Then yeah, what's up? Yeah
you should feel young. They're putting

607
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.679
it their mom. What do you
think? Oh yeah, okay, yeah

608
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:21.159
battlement. Yeah, but yeah,
totally so I I in general, like

609
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.119
most of the time I'm around like
folks that I feel very like mother.

610
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.239
I'm like playing their mom. And
then like I like, they're so much

611
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:32.400
younger than to be that I feel
like their mom. So that's uh something.

612
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.039
But I do you need that to
do well? Though? There's some

613
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terrible people that do great. Do
you do you prefer working with younger or

614
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older people? Is there any Is
there? The answer I've heard from other

615
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.480
performers, and I'll let you take
it as a stock answer if you want

616
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.719
to, is that performers come at
all ages, right, But do you

617
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.800
feel more comfortable like if you're coming
on a set and it's like a boy

618
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.000
boy girl, and like both of
the guys are like just turned eighteen two

619
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:06.679
weeks ago, or a girl more
more seasoned, or you want someone but

620
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say you know they're still say they're
all equal performers. Do you have a

621
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.039
preference on who you'd be working with, not when they're so I usually prefer

622
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:20.960
I prefer older or my age.
I do, but I have been surprised

623
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.639
by some of the like younger like
crabs too, And I've been like,

624
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.159
okay, you know what, like
I was a little like, I wasn't

625
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:36.559
sure, and You've like you're you're
freak Like that's great. Um, but

626
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.920
but yeah, I tend I tend
to prefer like, yeah, folks that

627
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:44.159
are a little older, I think, yeah, yeah, um. We

628
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gotta wrap up here with you soon. But I have one more question again,

629
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.719
just going through your IAFD here and
seeing some of the people you've worked

630
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with. So someone just started a
hot rod outside. That's very obnoxious.

631
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:04.119
I'll talk louder um. You've worked
with Chloe Cherry in the past. Yeah,

632
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.840
okay, do you have any we've
seen Shane. If you don't have

633
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.559
Chloe Cherry as you probably do,
but she was just on you for you

634
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:14.679
this past season, Oh yes,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

635
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Um, do you have any mainstream
ambitions. I would if if the opportunity

636
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.119
were given to me, I would
do it. I was approached a couple

637
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:30.119
of times and one just didn't work
with my schedule and then the other and

638
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.159
you know what, like I do
regret not making and work with my schedule,

639
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.599
so like I'm not above it.
I was just kinda like, Ohkerhall,

640
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like I know you were like a
suburban about your schedule, but I've

641
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:45.239
just done this. It would have
been fun. Um, But it's not

642
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:51.360
like something I'm looking for and whatever. I'm definitely interested in making diversifying just

643
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.920
the content I make, like um, and that's what I've been doing,

644
00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.199
like more just more podcasts in general, and like just starting to just do

645
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:06.159
more shit that's a little like yeah, that's outside of porn. But it's

646
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.480
not something I'm like chasing either.
I'm not trying to like become a famous

647
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:13.280
actress. But if someone was like, we want to put you in this,

648
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:16.599
I would gladly take him. Have
a good time. Now, I

649
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.280
want to see more porn stars in
drama roles because Shane, what is the

650
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.719
genre Everyone's putting a porn star in? Uh stripper? Oh, you know,

651
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.440
not the role wasn't he wasn't even
listening hard right, it's horror,

652
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:36.840
right, we're putting porn stars in
harror euphoria as drama. No euphoria is

653
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:38.639
to me is the exception. I
love seeing that. I love seeing that,

654
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:44.480
But I mean everything else is a
trauma movie or a fucking three day

655
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.760
Yeah, but there's also the exploitation
movies, yeah, like, which aren't

656
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.159
necessarily more That's what I'm yes,
comedy too, That's right. You had

657
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:59.079
like all the Silent Bob movie.
There's one where they had a katy Katie

658
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:05.320
Morgan. Yeah, Zach like a
porno yeah yeah. Yeah. To me,

659
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:07.800
I want to see more porn stars
in drama because I do think a

660
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.760
lot of you are really good performers. Some of you are not really good

661
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.480
performers, but a lot of you
are really good performers. Um, all

662
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.079
right, we're gonna wrap here.
Shane ask your question that you always do

663
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:22.880
at the end of every interview,
Oh do you like piss? Yeah?

664
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:29.800
She's a winner, Man's a winner. Ladies and gentlemen, Today we had

665
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:35.440
on Arabel Raphael. You can find
her across all social media Instagram, Twitter,

666
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:42.079
at Arabel Raphael and her only fans
at Arabel Raphael check the episode link.

667
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.320
Uh no, the episode description for
all the links. We always put

668
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.079
all the links up for everything.
Make sure you go and you pay for

669
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.280
your poorint. And I don't know
if you're just some guy who's hanging out

670
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.079
on Twitter, send all the major
studios like, Hey, I'd really like

671
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.199
to see this girl on your website
blah blah blah. I don't know if

672
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.480
that stuff works, but maybe it
does, does it? Yeah, yeah,

673
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:05.280
it happens enough. Yeah, okay, all right, get out there

674
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.159
and push that um verbell. Thank
you very much for coming on with us

675
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.360
today. Yeah, thanks for having
me, all right. For your friend,

676
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.960
I'm Matt, I'm Shane. Thanks
for listening. We'll see you next

677
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:22.320
week. Thanks for listening to your
worst friend going Dee