1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:21,839 You're listening to your Worst Friend Going You're listening to your Worst Friend with Shane 2 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:24,760 and Matt Going Deeper, Season four. My name's Matt, and I'm joined 3 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,399 today by my friend and co host Shane. Hi. I'm Shane. Today. 4 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,119 We have a lovely world traveled guest. I'm assuming I don't know. 5 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,799 I read her background. It looks like the United Nations. I love it. 6 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:44,119 As listeners of the show know that is it's not not my type, 7 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:47,320 but that is really Shane's type. And then the opposite side of that is 8 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:51,560 she has tattoos like she just got off Warped Tour O six, which is 9 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,359 my type. So I think we're gonna have a really fun time today. 10 00:00:55,399 --> 00:00:59,520 I think we're gonna have to play Sweeties my type on the outro. Yeah. 11 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,200 I don't have the rights to that, so we won't be but thanks. 12 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,400 You can listen to that on YouTube as well if you'd like to. 13 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:08,599 Ladies and gentlemen, today we have with us Arabel Raphael, Arabel, thank 14 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:12,120 you very much for being on with us. Thanks for having me. Wonderful 15 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:17,879 you can find her now this We've talked about this before. I am fully 16 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:23,120 erect right now, all four inches of it hard because not because she's hot. 17 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:27,760 She has matching social media across the board, and that tells me that 18 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,680 she That tells me Zuckerberg is checking these links and he's like, fuck, 19 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:38,280 I can't boot this girl. I just can't do it. Arabel Raphael across 20 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,239 Instagram, Twitter, and only fans. Make sure you go there, sign 21 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,920 up, pay for it, pay for your porn. You know what our 22 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,719 deal is, Shane your plugs. Yeah, check out my wife's only fans 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:56,120 xx. Goddamn, that's goddamn. Gah damn. You know because it's stylized. 24 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,480 Or just google Kiki Filipina XO and check out our many bits and make 25 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:02,400 sure you go to your worst friend dot com to see everything we do, 26 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,000 and check out all the other interviews we are doing this season. Everybell. 27 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:12,560 Thank you very much for coming on, Thanks for having me. Yeah sure, 28 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,680 I think I said that a couple of times already. So you, 29 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:23,800 like I said, or when I read your description, you're about me. 30 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:29,479 If you will, I could have seen a different life for you, and 31 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,919 I want you to tell me where it went right now. If I was 32 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,400 Ted Cruz, I would say sorry, I don't mean to make a political 33 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,199 If I was some conservative politician, I would say, where did it go 34 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:45,439 wrong? But tell me where it went right for you? So your background 35 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,199 reads like this. You were born in Paris, France. Yes, you 36 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,360 are Tunisian, French, Iranian and Jewish. Yeah, okay, all right, 37 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,479 here's you currently live in the Bay Area. That's just a Los Angeles. 38 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,039 Okay, los Angeles. I've never been west of Pennsylvania, but that's 39 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:10,039 fine. I could have seen you go into good schools, getting a job 40 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,960 in marketing, working in Manhattan, you know, living Lower West Side, 41 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:21,960 something like that, making good money. You meet some finance bro, you 42 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,240 get married to, um, maybe you have some kids, or maybe maybe 43 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,319 you guys wait too long to like have kids because you're both working on your 44 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,560 career, so maybe you adopt. Who knows. I could have seen you 45 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,159 going that way, just based on my which is probably considered racist, a 46 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:44,240 view of your you know, diverse background and your world traveled and this and 47 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,639 that. Where did it go right for you? Where did you go? 48 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:53,680 Nah? That's not it for me. I was in school for a bit, 49 00:03:53,039 --> 00:04:00,280 and I don't know. I've always been like a pervert, like in 50 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:06,759 that natural born ferver, always been really like sexually curious and like and very 51 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:13,840 into like from like drag Queens to like Jessica Rabbit to whatever, all these 52 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:21,879 like really extra like extra ultra like a comedic form of like femininity. It 53 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:28,040 was like hot and cool and interesting, and so that's always been a part 54 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,680 of me. And then I was in school, I just was curious. 55 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,560 I was like doing like nude modeling already, like that was already. I 56 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:43,199 grew up in like the suicide girl like era, Like you know, I 57 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,279 want to be a suicide girl. You know, when I'm like nineteen, 58 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,399 we're about two years off indifference. So I'll tell you that were you, 59 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:55,439 and I'll I'll let you get back to your thing. But you just reminded 60 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,040 me when you said suicide girl. Were you exposed to porn like most people 61 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,680 like teen and stuff like that, when you were a team not team you 62 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,920 just never want to associate the word teens too closely with porn, but when 63 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:09,319 you were a team. Because I'll tell you the girl that really set my 64 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,360 sights off in terms of what I like in a style and an aesthetic and 65 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:16,680 stuff like that, And I think you'll know her if you were into it 66 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,480 back then. And I've been in contact with her and she won't get back 67 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:28,480 to me. Liz Vicious. Do you know Liz Vicious? So in a 68 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,319 rob Rotten stuff, I don't know. I think she did mostly independent stuff, 69 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,319 but she was doing this ship back in two thousand and five, two 70 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,279 thousand and six, so around the time Burning Angel was coming about. Yeah, 71 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:45,199 so that I mean, and you've worked with Burning Angel before, which 72 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,399 is I think incredible and awesome, but it's it's it's okay, so sorry. 73 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:53,720 That's that's my one where I go like, oh my god, google 74 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:57,480 that after the fact, she is still doing a little bit of independent stuff, 75 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:00,199 but she had her own site and everything else back in like too. 76 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,439 I mean, it was might as well have been Geo Cities or whatever else 77 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:08,160 they were pushing out bund or something. But that was when I started my 78 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,519 thing for like you know, like you said, perverted but also kind of 79 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,959 like alt chicks and I hate to like put everyone in boxes, but that 80 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:20,399 is what porn does, you know? Yes? Um uh so when did 81 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:24,079 you I mean growing up? Then again, like I said, you're in 82 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Paris and whatever did you did you come to the US. You came to 83 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,040 the US in about five years old, I read, right, yeah, 84 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,480 okay, all right, So when did you start getting like your esthetic behind 85 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,439 you? When were you like fuck man? And was it music inspired? 86 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,720 Was it TV inspired? Movie in spot? What was it that like you're 87 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:44,839 like, I just need to get tats all over because it's it's what I 88 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:49,120 feel. Well. I was always like outsider, just different like kind of 89 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:53,600 flavors. Like when I was in the fifth grade, I read a historical 90 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:57,759 fiction, you know, I like had like bore glasses, had curly hair, 91 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,279 was like kind of a fucking nerd, but like not like had good 92 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:05,240 enough grades to be like the like the really murder. I was just way. 93 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:12,439 I was just weird. I was weird and then like you know, 94 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,560 uh, twelve years old like that, I like discovered like like punk and 95 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,759 metal and like golf music. I like I got into all of the like 96 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:30,839 alternative music scenes like kind of like around twelve years old, um, and 97 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:34,480 then have been in and out of like the music scene for early long time 98 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:39,040 too. So yeah, yeah, yeah sure, but yeah I was just 99 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,319 always weird and just kind of changed now like people think I'm cool and have 100 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,920 you know, but really I just have big tits and tattoos, you know 101 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:48,839 what I mean. I think that's cool. I think that's very cool. 102 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:56,800 I still think it's weird, you know, as before, Sure, sure, 103 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,680 sure, so it seems like, yeah it it probably hit us around 104 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,079 the same time. Was it the whole was it the whole pop punk skate 105 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,600 punk type thing that came in and then you explore the older stuff along with 106 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,560 that or no, am I just totally off. I was just watching Blink 107 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,240 one eighty two clips from Coachello all day yesterday, and I feel like that's 108 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,000 too fucking soft for you. You're probably like, oh, this guy's a 109 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:24,319 pussy. I like that when I was like like eleven, Sure, yeah, 110 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,399 something in nostalgic. So I never liked Brancid, like so, I 111 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:30,800 never liked a lot of the like, but I like some pop punk. 112 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:33,440 I like The Descendants, that's pop punk. I like The Dead Milkman. 113 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,840 Sure, um yeah, so I do. There are certain job Breaker isn't 114 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,840 bad. There's some stuff that I like. But you know, I grew 115 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:43,679 up in the same town as like, yeah, Rancid and Green Day and 116 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,639 all that stuff. That's bless my gym. I'm I was way more just 117 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:52,879 in general, like into hardcore and like mes just metal, Okay, all 118 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,840 right, cool, Yeah, I feel like I mean, I have some 119 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:58,080 fas. I'm not going to pretend that I didn't like like Blink one, 120 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,120 ay two when I was a kid. Sure, I always saw those as 121 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,639 kind of the avenue into the harder stuff for me at least. We grew 122 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,039 up kids just in Jersey. You know, we're not anywhere near We're polar 123 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:11,080 opposite from where you grew up. So it sounds like, um so, 124 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,080 then we have the entry it's entry level. You go through it. Yeah, 125 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:20,279 it's the small ramp at the skate park before you learn to drop in. 126 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,159 Yeah, I get it, I get it. I get it. 127 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,840 Um So, then take us through later on into your life. When do 128 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:30,080 you go, I'm going to get into porn now, like this is this 129 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:33,320 is like is it a jump right to porn? Did you do any kind 130 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,799 of stripping first or anything like that and whatever your first entry into sex work 131 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,159 was. What were you feeling at that time? Where was their trepidation? 132 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,399 Was there like excitement? I assume it's a bundle of everything, but go 133 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,919 ahead, Oh, it's everything, everything all at once. Um And you 134 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,960 don't realize how big of a decision you're really making, Like because I mean 135 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:58,679 this is that, you know, I was w I was a nude model, 136 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,799 and then I just be more and more curious of like making more sexually 137 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:07,679 explicit content. And so one day I just signed up to kink dot COM's 138 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:13,279 like application, and that is how I started in sex work. I've done 139 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,360 a lot of different types of sex work over the years, but like that, 140 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:22,200 my first entry into it was pornography. And yeah, I mean I 141 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,000 like gained a lot and lost a lot. You know. Um, it 142 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,759 was it's like, yeah, it's everything at all went and you don't really 143 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:35,120 Yeah, it's you're just not very aware of just how much this will like 144 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,399 affect the rest of your life. You know. Um, Luckily I enjoy 145 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,840 it, but it's like it's a wild ride. You know. I've never 146 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:48,480 asked this before and and I don't believe it, but it's just something to 147 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,200 ponder and to think about. Here, do you think do you think the 148 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:58,320 age of entry should be opped a little bit for something like porn? That's 149 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,559 that's not an argument I'm making. It's literally just a thought experimental, But 150 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:07,360 yeah, I have really really mixed feelings about it. I think in some 151 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,519 ways, like I don't like taking away any way folks can like survive and 152 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,559 make a living from people and no matter if like maybe I don't think they're 153 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,759 like maybe mentally ready, like shit happened and like time sometimes like that could 154 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:26,840 be in a way like situation saving for folks. Right, here's that. 155 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,159 At the same time, do I feel like making such a big life altering 156 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,200 decision at a young age is a great idea? No? Man, I 157 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,159 feel the same way about the military. I think that should have a higher 158 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,440 age. Straight. I think eighteen is really young. You're not You're still 159 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,159 a child. You still have a team, your brain hasn't developed yet. 160 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,799 Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm thirty four and I feel like I'm a 161 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:56,679 young adult. Yeah. No, I'm going to be fifty before I go 162 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:58,600 like, yeah, I think I'm ready to grow up now. At this 163 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,559 point, I just don't want to. We're the same age, I guess 164 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,840 because I'm thirty four two and I still feel like I'm a kid, just 165 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:09,679 like waiting for somebody to tell me what to do. Like I wake up 166 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,480 every day and I take my kid to school, and then I'm like, 167 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,919 oh, man, where's my dad to tell me what to do? All 168 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:18,320 day? You know? Yeah, yeah, and all you did was spend 169 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,480 your youth going like, motherfucker, if these people could just leave me alone, 170 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,039 Yeah, I wish God, I hate this motherfucker. Okay, all 171 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,559 right, so what was your first scene? Do you remember your first scene? 172 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,360 Does it become a blur at some point, like do you remember your 173 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:37,639 third scene? Or is that just like your age? No, I remember 174 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:43,039 the first like war, Okay, fair enough, I think first or three 175 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,559 something. I got my first scene. It was a public disgrace. It 176 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,919 was weird, so I got hired in a different way. It was someone 177 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,159 else's public disgrace, and King Kad hired me to be one of the like 178 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,639 extras that ends up sucking or touching them or like you know. But the 179 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,480 whole thing that they did was like, how do you publicly disgrace the attention? 180 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:11,080 Horror? Don't give her any attention. So this person's public disgrace turned 181 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:20,960 into just me getting fucked the entire time in public. And that was ever. 182 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:24,440 That was like the first time I did anything like that. And then 183 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,759 I did Burning Angel after. I think I did do Burning Angel scenes after 184 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:33,679 because I had myth Um, an actor that was dating Joanna Angel at the 185 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,840 time, and he introduced me to her, and that's how I started doing 186 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,840 Burning Angel One. That's funny you start. It's funny you started out as 187 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,600 a as an almost like an extra in a way where it's almost like Quentin 188 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,519 Tarantino pulling somebody off the side and going, you're gonna be with Brad Pitt. 189 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,320 Now just converse with him for a while, and uh, you know 190 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,879 what, Let's keep more. Let's keep the camera on arabell more because Brad 191 00:13:56,039 --> 00:14:00,159 is fine, but we really want to center on this. That's so, 192 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:03,759 I mean, does that happen often in porn? Or did you just have 193 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,600 the right look at the right time and the right willingness to do things? 194 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,320 Have you ever seen anything like that to that degree happened before on any of 195 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,360 the other sets you were on? Oh what do you what do you mean? 196 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,159 What do you mean? You said it? Maybe I was confused by 197 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:22,360 the story. It sounded like you were on the set to be or oh 198 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,159 yeah, no, this is not normal. But oh okay, okay, 199 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,840 okay, okay, okay, all right, Oh yeah, for sure, 200 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,840 for sure. No, I mean I think it's something I can but no, 201 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,720 not not like that. It was a different This is also a different 202 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:41,399 time porn. You know, there's been a lot of change in the last 203 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,200 like even just the thirteen years. And I know before like the people I 204 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,399 know, they've been around longer than I have. Like I've described even more 205 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,840 like evolution in the in the last leg dec I mean, porn is ever 206 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,240 changing, right, Sure, it's worth it. So a lot of things 207 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,919 that have like how it would have happened then, like wouldn't necessarily have No, 208 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:05,240 I'd say, is it for the good or for the bad? Because 209 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,519 we've talked to girls going both ways. We've talked to a girl who started 210 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:15,360 out probably fifteen years ago, Trinity Saint Clair. Maybe I don't want to 211 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,799 date her too much, but yeah, and she talks about how back then 212 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,639 there are different parts where maybe like a guy on set is having trouble getting 213 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,120 hard and the girl would just go or it'll help him out. But she's 214 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:28,759 also been on sets nowadays where the girl just walk away and bury yourself in 215 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:33,159 her phone and whatever like that. Like that's just an example of challenging times. 216 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,120 Do you think. I guess progress seems like it is always for the 217 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:41,600 better, But I mean, is it such a drastic change that you notice 218 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:45,480 it and you go like all of this is good, or are there certain 219 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,600 things that you've taken away that you enjoyed that have changed in the industry, 220 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:52,519 or are there things where you go, man, look, I wish they 221 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:54,879 would do this. It would make it so much easier, better, make 222 00:15:54,879 --> 00:16:00,879 it for better work. It would be you know that it's changed for the 223 00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:07,799 better. I do. I think there's a lot more to like, a 224 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,759 lot more progress to be had, But in general, I like where it's 225 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,960 going for the most part. And I am someone like I don't know you 226 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,879 take that example, like if you're not a dick, like if you're a 227 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,399 nice co star, like I'll help you out, you know, But I 228 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,320 like the option of like that not being an expectation. Sure right, because 229 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,120 like that's not my job. But like I am someone that's like when your 230 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,120 chill, like yeah, why not, I'm going to be doing it anyways. 231 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,960 Sure, sure, sure, yeah, yes, as soon as you 232 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,600 get that up, we're gonna run the camera and we're gonna do that anyway, 233 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,759 so it might as well. Yeah, But like I do like that 234 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,600 that's less of an expectation because that is like I've definitely like done like gang 235 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,200 bangs and like people like kind of expecting that, and I'm like, I'm 236 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,200 about to take on five of you, Like I don't really want to fluff 237 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,919 you, like get that ship on my face right now. Maybe maybe you 238 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,440 could just do your job over there and I'll be over here as the human 239 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,680 pin push for a while. Yeah yeah, come on, girl, you're 240 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:07,839 right, I guess that. Yeah, okay, all right, that's an 241 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,880 interesting take on it. I think that's good and I think that is progress 242 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,720 for sure. Yeah yeah, And I think there's just like I don't know, 243 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,440 I have an easier time working than I ever did. I mean, 244 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,119 it's hard to compare because like I have a built fan base now and like 245 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,240 what you know, I have like a name that like is established. But 246 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:30,079 it was like extra hard with especially girls that are like this heavily tattooed, 247 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,880 Like you know, we were on Burning Angel and like that was and then 248 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,000 there'd be like a couple here and there that would get to do stuff. 249 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,759 But also there was kind of this expectation, and I feel like I do 250 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,960 like I'm like I would say I'm midwild, Like I am not a vanilla 251 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:52,880 performer by any means, but I am also not the girl who's taking like 252 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,440 three dicks in our ass, which is awesome. I just physically cannot do 253 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,799 it, yeah, saying I'm going to kick it over to a question for 254 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:04,440 you after we do this one. So we do a little game on here 255 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,680 called sack, right, because when we started doing these interviews, we would 256 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,079 ask this question, and inevitably we would say, what is something that you, 257 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,599 okay, would not take any amount of money to do? Or what 258 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:22,920 is something you may or someone you may take a discount to work with, 259 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:25,720 or a type of scene that you love so much that it comes a little 260 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:27,799 bit lower than your normal rate, but you're like, fuck, I love 261 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:30,359 that side or I want to work with that performer or whatever. So the 262 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,839 first part we call it SACK, which stands for shit, Animals and kids, 263 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,440 because when we would ask the question what would you not take any money 264 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,359 to do? Some of the girls would be like, well, I wouldn't 265 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,759 fuck a dog, and we would go, yeah, we know that, 266 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,440 Like those are the three that if you tell me you're going to I got 267 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,480 to hang up the phone on you right here. So take those out of 268 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:55,599 the equation. But is there anything you would not the example I always give 269 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,240 every episode people hear this, but one of the first interviews we did was 270 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:03,759 Sarah Jay. Sarah Jay has never done an anal scene ever. She's been 271 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:07,960 offered, you know, five digits, you know, a good amount of 272 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,119 money to do one, and she just never has. She doesn't want to. 273 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,640 She chooses not to all of that. What is something if there is 274 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,920 something where you would not really because you said you don't go to the you 275 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,799 know, the furthest end of the spectrum in this what is something where you 276 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,839 would just be like, yeah, now I'm not I don't want to do 277 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,079 that either you don't like how it feels or you don't like how it's going 278 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,079 to eventually end up looking on camera, or what is something or something you're 279 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:41,720 just not comfortable doing sexually. So I mean there's a there's probably a lot, 280 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:52,599 and yeah, money really doesn't and that's like definitely just a privileged money 281 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,079 like does not at this point, does not go into why I like to 282 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:57,880 take a booking or not when I'm working for other people at this point, 283 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:07,160 which I'm super before. But mmmm. Fuck. By the way, by 284 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,839 the way, don't let producers hear you say that, like money is not 285 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:11,599 so much an issue anymo. No, no, no, no, no, 286 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,039 it's an issue, just not not right now. Don't let anyone short 287 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,119 change you. Oh no, no, no, I was kidding. I 288 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,640 was okay, yeah, I was just kidding. I was kidding here, 289 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,680 all right, Sorry, go ahead back to your thinking. Yeah, I 290 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,359 don't know. There's a bunch of different stuff. I don't. I don't 291 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:37,400 like to do anything that's gonna get my like hurt my body or like really 292 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,200 like take it out for long periods of time because it's not really words, 293 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:49,480 it's me anymore. Um, but I guess I would not. I don't 294 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:55,000 really Okay, I don't want to like do heavy corporal punishment for scenes ever 295 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:57,839 again. And I have and I'm really enjoyed it what I did. But 296 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,559 like now I have like absolutely no interest in that. There is no amount 297 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:07,680 of money and what is that like canning? Is that like yeah, yeah, 298 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:14,319 okay, heavy like nipple clan like just all the like heavy stuff. 299 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,720 Like there's some pink, submissive pink stuff because I still like get slipped around, 300 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,240 I look getting choked. Like it's not like I'm you know, not 301 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,359 have no submissive like side of me, but like I'm definitely pretty much down 302 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:32,759 done with like kind of like slave dynamics. And like yeah, heavy heavy, 303 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,640 heavy BDSM with like specifically yeah co pro okay, And then what about 304 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,200 the inverse of that, where is something again money not so much a thing, 305 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:45,079 but then maybe factor that in. What is the type of scene that 306 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,240 maybe you haven't been able to shoot yet or something you have shop maybe once 307 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:52,759 that you're like fuck, like you're talking to an agent or self booking and 308 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:55,920 you're reaching out to people like hey, by the way, I'd like to 309 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:59,640 do one of those again if you could send it my way, or I'd 310 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,640 like to work with that person again. Please, is there anything like that? 311 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,240 I would really like to shoot a by scene. I have not done 312 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,599 that in thirteen years, which is like, yeah, right, it's a 313 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:15,960 long time. I would really like to shoot a by scene. I'm so 314 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,119 looks specify you mean by like two dudes going at you and they're also blowing 315 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,400 each other and stuff. Yeah yeah cool, Yeah, Like I was just 316 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,559 gonna say, well, look, you have two dudes right here. I 317 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:33,680 don't mind kiss and Shane. Um No, that's just a lot of really 318 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,680 interest Matt, Yeah, shut the fuck up. What kind of market is 319 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,000 that? Does that? Like? Okay, let me ask you who likes 320 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:45,559 watch and this is not a negative thing. I'm not saying like who the 321 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:48,640 funk likes watching who likes watching that? Do girls like watching that? Do 322 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:56,359 bisexual guys? Sure? Yeah, I watched that. Sh you think girls 323 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,240 like watching it? I don't know, something like lesbian born. I don't 324 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,079 know that a lot of guys like watching that, except for like the ones 325 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,480 that were like beat by priests when they were younger. There's like there's the 326 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,359 crowd. It's a smaller crowd, sure, true, but by this but 327 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,640 yeah, for sure, Like it's not the same lesbian doesn't say it's sell 328 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,960 the same as like boy girl like sure right right, Like my wife prefers 329 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:22,880 lesbian stuff. Um is like the difference I'm saying where you would normally think 330 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,039 like, oh shit, two chicks together. Yeah, well, guys ain't 331 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,440 coming out as much for it as I feel like girls are. So the 332 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,240 guys really like trans women and sis women. I think guys like dick in 333 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:38,440 their porn. Sure, yeah, no matter what happens with it, like 334 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:42,200 they want a lot of I'm talking to the majority none every dudes. And 335 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:48,200 the woman was like, I know, but like yeah, like I think 336 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,119 guys are really like sick their porn and like, yeah, so, but 337 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,039 I don't think they care with like how it really happens. Really No, 338 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,359 yeah, I don't care, no, no, no, yeah, I'm 339 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,599 totally cool with it as many and as big as we can find. And 340 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,079 I'm the straightest guy in the world. I love watching gang bang porn. 341 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,400 It's just my thing I like. But I don't like. Now let me 342 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:17,039 ask you, so we straight Yeah, that's my title, obnoxiously straight. 343 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:19,119 So you said you've shot gang bang porn before, right, I believe. 344 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,240 Now let me ask you which do you prefer? And I think I have 345 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:27,400 a feeling based on what you just said. But I really like the stuff 346 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:33,559 where it is not a woman necessarily being dominated, it is a woman is 347 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,319 the center of attention, right, Like these guys. I don't need like 348 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,759 guys and collars or anything like that, but I need guys to like understand 349 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,960 they are privileged to be there, not like, hey, we got three 350 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,200 holes, pick one? You know what I mean? U I am, 351 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,519 But yeah, I prefer number too. I've done three different types. I 352 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:55,960 don't even know what the third type could be. No, i'd say too. 353 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,880 But I've done three different gang bays. First one was like very rape 354 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,160 scene scenario. Hated it, wasn't into it and it was very much like 355 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:08,720 you just getting ravaged. But like just but I don't know, I don't 356 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:14,759 like it. Number two cock hungry slut loved it, adored it, and 357 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:18,799 it was just me. It was just the me shell, you know, 358 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,559 and it was a good time and it was it was really fun to be 359 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,039 just like yeah, just being slutty and like, yeah, feeling it kind 360 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,799 of like celebrated. It was. It was super fun um and then the 361 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:33,759 third was cool and it was fun. At that point, I think I 362 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,160 lost the novelty of the game bag. But but yeah, I don't know. 363 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,799 I definitely I like. I like being showcased and what I can do, 364 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,119 and it's kind of like like, look what I can do, like 365 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,960 because it's not easy. It's not an easy it's not easy to do is 366 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,440 not easy. So it's uh, I don't know. It's a really cool 367 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:59,559 experience too, sure, sure, the center of attention one is the cool 368 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,759 experience, right yeah, yeah, Now the first one I didn't enjoy. 369 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:04,880 Some people do. It was just stuff for me. But you know, 370 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,640 I've always I'm usually open to trying things like one and seeing if I like 371 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,519 it or not, and I was just like great, fancy not for I, 372 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,640 um, but like, yeah, it was super fun to just be. 373 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,799 I was just like a slutty like Alice in Wonderland. It's really fun. 374 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,000 Fair enough, Shane, you have to if you have a question, 375 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:27,200 I can just go all day. So I'm sorry. Yeah, I wanted 376 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:32,839 to talk about the stuff outside of porn. Um. Matt showed me some 377 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,880 of your I guess we could just call it artwork. I guess your photography. 378 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,480 Um. Um it was a specific uh theme right where it was. 379 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:47,000 It was comments that had been posted and then you turn them into pieces of 380 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,720 art. So let me please. Can I plug it? You want me 381 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,079 to plug it? Or do you not really up to it? Okay, 382 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,519 cerebral Musings dot com is uh some of the stuff I saw? Um, 383 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,359 Shane continue with the question, I just want to plug that. Oh yeah, 384 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,079 I just want to know if that was your first time doing something like 385 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,000 that, if you just did it on a whim, or if you if 386 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,839 you have like a whole bunch of artistic endeavors outside of your porn career. 387 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,960 Um, I've been so. I actually went to an art school, got 388 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:29,960 kicked out, um for literary writing, and then I make dioramas um and 389 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,640 used to paint like a ton in high school. So I've always like been 390 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:38,599 creative. I'm when I got into adult I definitely started making way less because 391 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:44,079 I was funneling my creativity in a different way. Um. So that's actually 392 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,160 something I'm like working on to like start making stuff again. Um. But 393 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,519 yeah, so that that that series. I basically I had the idea for 394 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,279 a long time. I didn't know what I was going to do with it. 395 00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:57,920 I just like for years I started collecting like the most hurt horrible or 396 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,839 the weirdest like comment and even I have another thing that I started with, 397 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,759 like acts of praise but like better. It's basically just how people respond to 398 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,200 one sex workers and just in general public personas and how much they like project 399 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:15,480 and either you are like the scum of the earth or you're put on a 400 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,880 pedestal to a point of like not human being. Basically you're no longer human 401 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:25,559 when you're your friede. Yeah, exactly when you're up for like public consumption 402 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,400 like that. So that was kind of the idea, and also that I 403 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,480 was just like reflecting a mirror of like this is actually like what you're saying 404 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,240 to somebody right now, like this is what you're working upon me. Um, 405 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:40,039 So, I didn't know what I'm gonna do with it. And then 406 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:45,400 finally I was invited to do on art show in San Francisco, and so 407 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400 I kind of like decide to just do that. I've not done a lot 408 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,160 of like photography, Like I'm not a photographer. I'm very much I just 409 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,559 kind of jell alter. I just try a bunch of different things. And 410 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,880 obviously I have like a mom like background and all that kind of stuff. 411 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:07,799 To yourself, I knew enough to start playing around. I like your idea 412 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,039 of the positive comments, but it really the one you did before the uh, 413 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,319 you know, negative comments. It's a brilliant concept. It's it's almost 414 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,279 like I'm looking at them and I don't want to share it because it'll take 415 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,920 it away from you, but I'm looking at them now and it's really like 416 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:26,880 to me, it's it's this is how you're making Arabell feel through your comments. 417 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,759 These are the representations of your comments, and look at You're very beautiful 418 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,920 in them, but look at the ugliness this person is spewing out with this 419 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,720 comment. And let me try and do something with it to make you feel 420 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,000 that way, and I think it's awesome. I always appreciate any kind of 421 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,160 art, even even the not that this is that, but the silliest, 422 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,279 dumbest art, Like you still have to sit there and you have to think 423 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,200 about this is stupid to say, but I think about it with albums. 424 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:59,119 You ever buy an album and there's two good songs on it, well, 425 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,400 there's eight other songs that someone was sitting there going like this is how I 426 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,920 really feel like. This is me getting like emotions out. Yeah, maybe 427 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,920 maybe some corporate entity fucking roade it up for them, but you know, 428 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,960 I think people need to have more of an appreciation for art, and that's 429 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,359 part of the reason we do this, because there is an art aspect to 430 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,079 porn as well. There can be I mean, obviously it has a utility 431 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:27,240 I will be using after this interview, but uh yeah, there's there's you 432 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,640 know, there's an art aspect to it, and I think people should have 433 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,680 a little more respect for it and for the artists in that aspect. No, 434 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,200 and I mean performing is an art. It can be really boring to 435 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:48,839 watch. Fuck yeah yeah, actual skill that goes into it and portraying like 436 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,839 actual essentiality. There are some performers that are not essensial, you know, 437 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,160 like you're just kind of like, what are you doing? You know they're 438 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480 dirty or whatever. But it's like there's no I don't know, there is 439 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,079 a craft too, I like to say, and I repeat myself all the 440 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:06,799 time. But it's fine that like porn, like a good scene. When 441 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,720 I shoot a good scene, it feels like an un choreographed ballet, like 442 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,359 right, it feels like creative, energetic, like all the end. You 443 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960 have to create a whole like a vibe, and you have to sell it 444 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:23,000 because you you know that's not correct. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's 445 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,839 totally it's performance, so just performing itself as an art, and then people 446 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,359 can take a step further further in the way they produce porn porn, whether 447 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,759 it be like the aesthetics or like story or whatever the fuck you know. 448 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,599 Sure, my favorite thing is when people want to criticize something. My new 449 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,559 thing is like, hey, hey that movie sucks, Hey this sucks. 450 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,519 I didn't like that ending. I don't do that. I immediately just asked, 451 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:51,640 what would you do differently? Because it's almost like a lot of people 452 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,880 have criticisms, and very few of them have answers. And for me, 453 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,400 when people criticize porn stars or porn whatever, it's like, Hey, Bud, 454 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,079 are you sitting in your basement type in this right now? Like, 455 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,079 what did you do today? Did you go out and perform? Did you 456 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,039 go out and bear your soul and your body to everybody in the world you're 457 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:14,680 most today? Yeah? Did you show anyone in bole today? And what 458 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,200 else? It's just like there's also so much kinds of porn out there, 459 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,240 you know. The people who are like, oh, all porn is this, 460 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,359 I'm like, actually, really haven't been digging because there's so much different 461 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,200 kinds of shit. There's really every like something for everyone, every kinnie, 462 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:35,160 really, every whatever. So like when people also like to make blankets statements 463 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,240 and about like porn, I'm like, there's like all kinds out there, 464 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,680 you know. Sure, Um Jane, any of the questions, Um, 465 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:50,480 yeah, do you want to shoot a scene with my wife? I don't 466 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:52,119 know. I will have to look up your wife south Sends you are a 467 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,720 link. Well, let me let me ask you so in terms of only 468 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,640 fans and producing and shooting your own content and stuff like that, how do 469 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,880 you go about that? Do you? Is it like you're the studio and 470 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,400 everything right off the bat? Do you mostly look for collaborations? Are you 471 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,400 putting together the entire thing? Are you what is your only fans? Like? 472 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,799 Do you have a vision board like from the Secret? I do not 473 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:24,920 know. So I do a lot of different kinds of stuff I will make, 474 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:30,079 Like the content I making could be from like amateur home personal to like 475 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:37,160 a studio like production, mainstream studio production. Sometimes you know, it's like 476 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:42,640 me doing everything the editing and whatever. Sometimes I have other people do it. 477 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,920 I kin depends on the project how complex it is. And I like 478 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:49,519 variety. I like making a lot of different types of stuff. So I 479 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,559 like to make a lot of different kind of porn changeup looks. But I 480 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:57,279 do I'm aware of, like I mean, the biggest moneymaker for me, 481 00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,279 and I think it's not just me. I think it's most people. Bowl 482 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:06,119 is the amateur content. Is the stuff that folks really really because there's this, 483 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:13,760 It's the interesting porn stars in the last like the last twenty years kind 484 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:22,880 of shifted from like being unattainable like Hollywood stars, and it's kind of gone 485 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:29,360 into online escorting. Companionship with that, I'm not talking about actually meeting folks 486 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,039 with people, but stuff like girlfriend. Yeah sure, yeah, you're an 487 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,840 interact girlfriend. And it's so that's like really changed. Right before, if 488 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,280 you wanted to meet a porn star, you were either paying a lot, 489 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,519 a lot a lot of money for a one on one situation, right, 490 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,719 or you were going to conventions. Now only not everybody goes to porn conventions. 491 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,800 Not everybody goes to conventions, right, And that was the only way 492 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,559 you were going to meet or otherwise they were stars you don't interact, and 493 00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,559 now like it's you're talking to your favorite porn are every day for some you 494 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:06,639 know folks. Um, So that's like changed so much. So I think 495 00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,800 it makes sense that the content that makes the most money is like more amateur 496 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,159 because it's more personal or whatever. But yeah, I like it all like 497 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,440 a bunch of shit, so amateur it's good now, Yeah to piggyback off 498 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,719 at amateur. So like what your your best content or best selling content, 499 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,159 your most popular would be like stuff you're doing on your phone or um, 500 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:32,000 like it's going to have like a certain aesthetic, right is that? Is 501 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,000 that what you mean? Like maybe like you're alone in your bathroom type deal 502 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,000 alone or even like a hook up with a hookup that's like held on a 503 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:44,840 phone, something that's more of like a sex tape. Um. You know, 504 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,800 I've noticed even just like photography, like you know, the artier gets 505 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,239 the most people are interested, which for me, like I obviously I like 506 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:58,760 I think a lot of models like that's where we I enjoy both. It's 507 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,079 just different. I'm sorry my dog. No, you're totally fine. I 508 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:07,960 do she had a dog? Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, there you 509 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,360 go. Um, so that's that's interesting. So we've asked this too, 510 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,880 and we've gotten a variety of answers. But do you, and this is 511 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,119 not an indictment of the industry at all, do you like shooting mainstream porn 512 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,760 or is it an advertisement for your only fans? Because oh my god, 513 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,880 there's a fly it's about to bite your face. Oh I know it's got 514 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:37,320 away. Um, do you like mainstream porn or is it just a great 515 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960 advertisement for your only fans? Not that you dislike it, but you know 516 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,159 what I'm saying. Some girls call to say, like I love being on 517 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,119 set, I love shooting, I love the lights, I like the professionalism, 518 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:49,440 I like this and that, and some girls know they're going to be 519 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,440 at the top of brassers on the thing and someone's going to look at it 520 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,480 and go, look, I'll go to see if she as an only fan. 521 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,719 So how do you view it? I mean I view it as both. 522 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,719 I really really enjoy performing, I really do. I love it, 523 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,840 and it is cool to like have some be a part of someone else's vision 524 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,199 and do something else like that's fun. I mean, I've always enjoyed. 525 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,159 I love playing like make Believe, like it's it's a good time. So 526 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:19,639 I just like it. But like I'm also aware that it is good for 527 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:23,159 me, and I'm selective on like what these days. But that's also more 528 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:30,880 less about me not liking about preserving like work you were cutting out a little 529 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,480 bit less less about something and preserving your well my body and just like caring 530 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,440 for it and not overworking it and all that kind of stuff and health. 531 00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:49,679 So that's more of the reason why I'm like more selective with it. But 532 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,519 no, yeah, I don't know. For me, it's definitely both, 533 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:57,280 like that's definitely like a really great thing about it, and I also, 534 00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,760 yeah, I really I enjoy being on set and I don't have I don't 535 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,679 have to be there, right, Um, I have a big enough following 536 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,880 at this point people know you and my only fans. But like you know, 537 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,280 and yeah, it's great promo, but you can make promo and up 538 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,840 you promote yourself in different ways that that has nothing to do with mainstream born 539 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:20,039 I do. Yeah, I enjoy it. I'm glad to be there, 540 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,519 you know what I mean. Yeah. Um, So I have a question 541 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:29,280 that you're not gonna answer. No, No, you won't do it. 542 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,159 I am confident you won't do it, but I would like to. You 543 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,280 have worked with some of the loves of my life. Um. In fact, 544 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,079 you've worked with at least one girl who's on this season. Um, 545 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,639 who was your favorite female performer to work with? And this is not an 546 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:51,199 indictment of any of the numbers two through whatever, But do you have a 547 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,119 favorite female performer that you've ever worked with? Uh? No, just because 548 00:38:55,159 --> 00:39:02,039 I've I've show with so many babes. Sure, so many hot, smart, 549 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,320 sexy, perverted like weirdos, and they're all hot for a living, 550 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,519 so it's just like to have one. But I also don't have a favorite 551 00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:14,960 band. I don't have a favorite author. I like too many things to 552 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,880 have, like that one thing that I'm like, I understand, I understand 553 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,000 you probably got a list of favorites. Yeah, yeah, but I do 554 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:23,719 have a list. Yeah, I would have a list. There are people 555 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,079 that like, if I keep making content with someone, it's because I'm having 556 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,559 like a good time with her enough. Yeah, I look at this list. 557 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,920 So Anna Fox, I would marry her. Charlotte, I would obviously 558 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,360 marry her. Um, Joanna, I mean, come on, that's pretty 559 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,079 much my way. Oh well, that's good to hear. I terrified her 560 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,800 at Exotica this year. I ran up to her, I think as there 561 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,079 was something going on behind her, and I had a fucking business card and 562 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:54,719 I was like, oh, I'd love to do an interview with you. 563 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,360 Sometimes she goes, oh yeah, okay, thanks, all right, Like 564 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,960 I had leprosy, so that was my fault. I will eventually get her 565 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,079 back on. But um yeah, no. I mean, you've worked with 566 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,840 a lot of big names but also really great performers. Not just names because 567 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:12,800 I won't name them, but there are some big names who I watched their 568 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,920 scenes and I'm like, you're you're hot, but you don't perform that well. 569 00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:20,519 No, totally. There's some people, is exactly it. Some people 570 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,920 are just taught and that's enough for someone for sure. Let me ask you 571 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,679 one quick question. Could a girl, because you seem very intelligent when it 572 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:34,679 comes to the social media aspect of stuff as well, right, and I 573 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,480 pose this to someone else before I'd like to bring it back Shane, as 574 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,599 like as a thing, all right, and we're just saying on the general 575 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,599 scale, okay, could a girl that is a ten versus a girl that's 576 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:52,480 a six make more money if the ten has no idea what TikTok even is, 577 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:58,559 but the six knows all the social media algorithms. How important is social 578 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:04,079 media to you all? You know? I mean, is that your best 579 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,679 selling lead to be able to get out there to people? Yeah? Yeah, 580 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,320 so I think yes, I think I think that like social media savviness, 581 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,320 you will out I knew, yes very much. So okay, okay, 582 00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:22,440 yeah we'll outweigh someone's looks. For sure. If you have the looks 583 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,760 but don't know what you're doing and don't whatever, it might not go anywhere. 584 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,440 I know plenty of like sex workers that were like way more commercially attractive 585 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,519 or like whatever, and like they always like just fumbled the bag, you 586 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,679 know, Um, because yeah, you have to you have to be savvy. 587 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:46,920 Um. Yeah, okay, all right, Shane questions. UM let 588 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,639 me think I did have a bunch in my head, but I'm so mesmerized 589 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:58,440 by everything she's saying. You know, I did notice you're you're definitely like 590 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:01,880 I think Matt said at the beginning, worldly, Um, like you have 591 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,039 this kind of vibe about you where you you seem to be like, um 592 00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:12,719 wise beyond your years. Do you do you notice that like with other performers, 593 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,360 do you have like a do you get a sense that like the ones 594 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,800 who who really get ahead they kind of have like an extra like a little 595 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,280 bit of knowledge? Because I mean we've talked to some performers who, like 596 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,079 you know, you're carrying this conversation with us, we'll ask a question that 597 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,239 is an open ended question and it's like yeah, yes, you know, 598 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,280 it's like yeah, they're just lifeless, you know. Um do you do 599 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,440 you do you find that? Um? Maybe, I mean I assume that's 600 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,159 like that's probably been with you your whole life. But um, one is 601 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:50,400 that something that can be taught? And two is that like is that something 602 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,159 that you know you think keeps you a cut above the competition in the in 603 00:42:54,199 --> 00:43:00,440 the porn world. I mean, I mean I feel old in general because 604 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,679 you know, I'm at thirty four and get messed up with like nineteen year 605 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,199 olds and twenty year olds all the time. I think you should feel young. 606 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,440 Then yeah, what's up? Yeah you should feel young. They're putting 607 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,679 it their mom. What do you think? Oh yeah, okay, yeah 608 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:21,159 battlement. Yeah, but yeah, totally so I I in general, like 609 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,119 most of the time I'm around like folks that I feel very like mother. 610 00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:27,239 I'm like playing their mom. And then like I like, they're so much 611 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,400 younger than to be that I feel like their mom. So that's uh something. 612 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,039 But I do you need that to do well? Though? There's some 613 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:42,519 terrible people that do great. Do you do you prefer working with younger or 614 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:47,320 older people? Is there any Is there? The answer I've heard from other 615 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,480 performers, and I'll let you take it as a stock answer if you want 616 00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:53,719 to, is that performers come at all ages, right, But do you 617 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,800 feel more comfortable like if you're coming on a set and it's like a boy 618 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,000 boy girl, and like both of the guys are like just turned eighteen two 619 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:06,679 weeks ago, or a girl more more seasoned, or you want someone but 620 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,360 say you know they're still say they're all equal performers. Do you have a 621 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,039 preference on who you'd be working with, not when they're so I usually prefer 622 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:20,960 I prefer older or my age. I do, but I have been surprised 623 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,639 by some of the like younger like crabs too, And I've been like, 624 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,159 okay, you know what, like I was a little like, I wasn't 625 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:36,559 sure, and You've like you're you're freak Like that's great. Um, but 626 00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,920 but yeah, I tend I tend to prefer like, yeah, folks that 627 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,159 are a little older, I think, yeah, yeah, um. We 628 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,239 gotta wrap up here with you soon. But I have one more question again, 629 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,719 just going through your IAFD here and seeing some of the people you've worked 630 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,159 with. So someone just started a hot rod outside. That's very obnoxious. 631 00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:04,119 I'll talk louder um. You've worked with Chloe Cherry in the past. Yeah, 632 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,840 okay, do you have any we've seen Shane. If you don't have 633 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,559 Chloe Cherry as you probably do, but she was just on you for you 634 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,679 this past season, Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 635 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:22,320 Um, do you have any mainstream ambitions. I would if if the opportunity 636 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,119 were given to me, I would do it. I was approached a couple 637 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,119 of times and one just didn't work with my schedule and then the other and 638 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,159 you know what, like I do regret not making and work with my schedule, 639 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,599 so like I'm not above it. I was just kinda like, Ohkerhall, 640 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,199 like I know you were like a suburban about your schedule, but I've 641 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,239 just done this. It would have been fun. Um, But it's not 642 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:51,360 like something I'm looking for and whatever. I'm definitely interested in making diversifying just 643 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,920 the content I make, like um, and that's what I've been doing, 644 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,199 like more just more podcasts in general, and like just starting to just do 645 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:06,159 more shit that's a little like yeah, that's outside of porn. But it's 646 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:08,480 not something I'm like chasing either. I'm not trying to like become a famous 647 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,280 actress. But if someone was like, we want to put you in this, 648 00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:16,599 I would gladly take him. Have a good time. Now, I 649 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:22,280 want to see more porn stars in drama roles because Shane, what is the 650 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,719 genre Everyone's putting a porn star in? Uh stripper? Oh, you know, 651 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,440 not the role wasn't he wasn't even listening hard right, it's horror, 652 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:36,840 right, we're putting porn stars in harror euphoria as drama. No euphoria is 653 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,639 to me is the exception. I love seeing that. I love seeing that, 654 00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:44,480 But I mean everything else is a trauma movie or a fucking three day 655 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,760 Yeah, but there's also the exploitation movies, yeah, like, which aren't 656 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,159 necessarily more That's what I'm yes, comedy too, That's right. You had 657 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:59,079 like all the Silent Bob movie. There's one where they had a katy Katie 658 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:05,320 Morgan. Yeah, Zach like a porno yeah yeah. Yeah. To me, 659 00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:07,800 I want to see more porn stars in drama because I do think a 660 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,760 lot of you are really good performers. Some of you are not really good 661 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,480 performers, but a lot of you are really good performers. Um, all 662 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,079 right, we're gonna wrap here. Shane ask your question that you always do 663 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,880 at the end of every interview, Oh do you like piss? Yeah? 664 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:29,800 She's a winner, Man's a winner. Ladies and gentlemen, Today we had 665 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,440 on Arabel Raphael. You can find her across all social media Instagram, Twitter, 666 00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:42,079 at Arabel Raphael and her only fans at Arabel Raphael check the episode link. 667 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,320 Uh no, the episode description for all the links. We always put 668 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,079 all the links up for everything. Make sure you go and you pay for 669 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:51,280 your poorint. And I don't know if you're just some guy who's hanging out 670 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,079 on Twitter, send all the major studios like, Hey, I'd really like 671 00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:58,199 to see this girl on your website blah blah blah. I don't know if 672 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,480 that stuff works, but maybe it does, does it? Yeah, yeah, 673 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:05,280 it happens enough. Yeah, okay, all right, get out there 674 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,159 and push that um verbell. Thank you very much for coming on with us 675 00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:10,360 today. Yeah, thanks for having me, all right. For your friend, 676 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,960 I'm Matt, I'm Shane. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next 677 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:22,320 week. Thanks for listening to your worst friend going Dee