It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for edition with the
aw fan Hub podcast team and Alex. We've got this big reveal of the
All In backstage video tomorrow night on Dynamite. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's
very controversial. The Young Bucks have said they are going to present backstage footage
of the CM Punk confrontation. It doesn't stay specifically, but that's what I'm
going to assume. I was staying Punk and Jack Perry and Yeah, and
somehow with Joe and Tony Kahn, I think we're the Yeah, I don't
know is there anybody else named in this? So I think yeah, if
we want to establish the timeline. Jack Perry in a Collision previously wanted to
use glass in a match and Cempunk said, we don't do that on Collision.
We only do that. You can do that on Dynamite if you want.
Okay, and then in all In or Yeah. In the Wembley Show,
during the pre show match him Jungle Boy Jack Perry versus Hook he you
he he ended up going through the windshield of a vehicle of a car on
stage and then he said crimea river Yeah, yeah, uh, And then
I guess when he went backstage, Punk was coming out for the next match
and they had a confrontation, right, So yeah, I'm sure. I
mean, I'm interested to see his punk Is said stuff about it. I'm
sure you've heard about what punk Is said mut it. I'm interested to see
how it all lines up and what. You know, we don't know if
somebody was sitting down even we don't know if somebody was standing up or had
their back turned, or was it the conversation with somebody else with this,
We don't know, So it's gonna be interesting to see the dynamics, I
guess. I mean, is there anything in particular that you want to see
in this video or do you even want to see this video at all?
I do want to see the video just out of curiosity and like, to
me, the way that aw comes out of this looking the best, and
the way that the way that it makes sense to me that they're even showing
this at all is if during this confrontation between Jack Perry and Cmpunk and CM
Punk's been like said, you know, he put Jack Perry in a headlog
and Locke and basically made it seem like he beat up Jack Perry, Right,
So if Jack Perry comes out of this looking strong, like, looking
like he's the one maybe physically manhandling Sampunk. That's kind of the ideal scenario
to me. That's the ideal scenario to you. Yeah, so let's throw
it to the podcast team. What is the ideal scenario for this? And
do you guys even think this should be shown? I think they should show
it. Why is that there has been so much said negatively about a W
and even about Tony Kahan. Personally, I just want to see it because
I have a feeling that everything that a W has been saying about cmpunk is
true. And I think that because in my experience, when you're telling the
truth, you don't have to run around and defend yourself. Eventually the truth
will come out and you don't have to scream from the rooftops. I told
you. So, I'm telling you the truth. It just is what it
is. So I think there's some vindication for a lot of things that have
been said about AW in this tape, and I think it's the real deal.
I was a little worried that there was gonna be Shenanigan's but yeah,
I'm anxious to see it. Well, now, let me ask you a
follow up question if you don't mind, So, is there any other scenario
I guess other than it, other than this, this video showing that Seampunk
lying about everything that he said. Is there any other scenario that AW comes
out looking good? I think that it will add some credibility to the few
things that a W has said or things that have been leaked about AW.
If you go back to that first confrontation that Sampunk had with the EVPs and
Kenny, a lot of that was just hearsay and you know, whispers right,
and you know there's things that are that said about FTR and Cold Cabana,
just just a lot of stuff. Yeah, so this is a definitive,
is what you're saying. This video will make it more definitive. I'm
sure there's gonna be stuff that we don't see or hear. Knowing wrestlers,
it's probably gonna be bleeped a lot. Yeah. Yeah, but you know,
in that Kelson, I would say that I think that Tony Kahan in
all of this, will probably come out looking the most level headed person and
the most in control person that you know he can be. I think that
if if this video is legitimate, it's gonna show him kind of rising above
chaos instead of contributing to it. And I think that's a very good look,
well, contributing to it on purpose, because I don't know about you,
but Tony kh kind of freaks me out and seems like he's confrontational because
what he's talking on camera, the guy doesn't blink. I mean, that's
just timidating like Randy Johnson. Oh god, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I think he's business savvy and quiet, and people mistake that for
him being a pushover. But I don't think you have to be super in
your face and aggressive to get your point across either, right, So what
do you all think? I'm against it? I think from when I think
about this whole situation, I think AW should indeed show these tapes more so
to clear the air as to who this would possibly positively impact and negatively impact.
To me, it doesn't really matter that much. And here's why,
because either way, for me anyway, I'm still going to enjoy the product
no matter who comes out looking at looking like, you know, the bad
guy or the good guy or the level headed guy. It really does not
matter. Wherever the cards fall, they fall. That's The matter of fact
is this was a real life backstage incident that just happened. You know,
so, am I correct in asking you this? Sleazy? That if AW
comes out in a very good light, it's not going to make you like
the product more? And do you also feel like, Okay, if AW
comes out in a good like and a good light on this, it's not
going to attract new viewers like A. It may track new viewers tomorrow night,
but I won't to attract new viewers. Oh well, Trump was gonna
be Trump? Gee, the same thing Brunk was lying. I can't believe
the best that was. Oh yeah, it's a Freudian sleep sort on purpose.
No it wasn't. But you know, if if as you were saying,
if a W comes out in a good light or even a bad light,
if it comes off if anyone comes off bad on this, it's not
gonna make you stop watching it. And if it come out good on it,
it's not gonna make anybody from another promotion that doesn't watch AW come watching.
Is that was that a fair statement to how you're feeling about it?
Yeah, that is an accurate statement, as after all, I'm not really
a believer of a controversy creates cash. But you know, as for there
is something I want to mention though, I'm very curious as to how Jungle
Boy is gonna look coming out of all this, you know, because you
know, it could hint at potential returns. Now, I'm not saying any
of this was a plot, as again, this was a real life incident,
but you know, I'm just curious if this video could potentially play into
a possible Jungle Boy return and how that's going to play into the elite.
Yeah, well, let me ask you this. So let's just say the
Jungle Boy Jack Perry comes out looking like a scapegoat in all of this.
You know, It's like, according to his video, he didn't look like
he did anything wrong, and yet he got suspended this that and the other
thing. He's been exiled to to uh New Japan, which is not really
an exile. He's wrestling in New Japan. He's still on the AW roster.
And you know, reports Kate earlier that Tony Khan, you know,
was had not talked to him for like two months afterwards, things like that.
So, so if this shows that Jack Perry is in fact the scapegoat
and all this doesn't that mean that Tony Khan is the heal now? Now
that that is a good theory you have Therekelson, However, I would have
It's not that I disagree, it's just more so I'd rather have that not
factor into the footage that we're potentially going to see tonight, because I mean
making Tony Kahan uh he because I'm pretty sure it's not in the best interest
of a W in terms of their current storylines to insert the boss in,
you know, like like the other promotion. But yeah, right, I
agree with you there, and that's where my problem with the whole idea comes
in. Yeah, yeah, you've got You've got You've got way too many
things that this if the first question people are going to say. The first
thing people are going to say is it was it's going to be edited to
make all parties that are still in AW look great, and that they're going
to edit. So that doesn't look good for Punk or even maybe even Jack
Perry. But you not only messing with you have so many things that are
going on in a against AW right now that in the end this could cause
you more issues. It could screw up with with the way Jack Perry looks
and that could hurt him in uh New Japan, and it could even further
a gap that isn't really supposed to be there. But I get what they're
gonna do. I personally don't think it's gonna be anything to do with CM
punk because I think it's going to play into the Elite's storyline more than it's
gonna be something about that. I just I just see so many things that
could go wrong when you say that it's gonna play into the Elite storyline.
Have you worked that out in your mind? Like, why is it working
into the Elite storyline? What is the Elite storyline going to be moving forward?
They're punks, I mean, they're they're acting like punk. They're acting
like little punks right now. They're you know, they're doing the whole evil
e VP thing. And I just have a feeling that this is gonna be
more of a BTE kind of episode thing than the real footage because they did
not specify they said they're gonna have all in backstage video specified it's specified.
Well, if they said that, they I guess I heard my son was
telling me that Tony said it's the real deal. But I still I don't
know. I just there's there's something about it that just doesn't make any sense
to me. Because you have unless this is they're gonna have to do this
uncut. They're gonna have to make sure that they know it's uncut to make
it work out right, Because if you, if you don't come out looking
if everybody that's still in aw doesn't come out looking like roses, you know
what the i w C is gonna do. They're gonna this is not gonna
help with the with the issues we have with the Internet wrestling community. It's
just gonna make things worse. Well, I'm gonna give you a news flash
here, Sutton. It doesn't matter if a celestial like comes out and shows
shows on Tony Khan and Mojo Jack Perry on whoever see him punk whoever.
The people that don't like Tony Khan now are not gonna like him come Thursday
morning. People don't like see him punk now or not gonna like him come?
That's my thing? Do you So that's the question I want to ask
you. Is there any possibility whatever is in this video that will change people's
perception of anybody involved of couse, we don't know who's involved yet. I
mean, we assume that we know who's involved, but we don't really know.
But do you see this changing people's minds? No, not really.
Only like I said, the only thing that I see happening is it could
lead to more bad press than what you already have. That's just that's just
how I see it coming out. If it doesn't come out and you're not
looking perfect in this, I think it's gonna need to even further issues that
you might know. I mean, as soon as Punk left, I I
lost all I lost all respect for him when he came back because he was
there for what three years and had two major controversies, and to be honest,
he wasn't that good in the ring, and he was a name that
was about it. It's all right the ring to me, like on his
first run with a W before he got the series of injuries. But when
he came back when collision started, he was just god awful. Yeah,
and then and and he didn't help himself. I mean, you know,
and now he's over in Lola Land and what happened to him? He's hurt
again. Yeah, Yeah, I just think it's a good idea in my
opinion, on this and uh, sorry to bust In, but uh,
I just you know, I I kind of understand the controversy creates cash as
Colston's favorite person. Eric Bischoff once said, but I just you know,
address kick your ass, have fun getting here. I've better throw water on
you at run. Okay, I am not a believer in this. I
think if they're going to release it, release I don't think it belonged on
Dynamite. They're going to release it yet to CMZ and show unedited footage.
Yeah, you know, people are saying I talk to people who are mid
level fans, and they're not wanting to watch as they go through with it.
They're not wanting to watch it anymore because it comes off as petty.
Somewhat, I understand what's going on because honestly, the other place during during
their biggest show, was constantly going after aw There's some remark that I was
not pleased with. And you know, I understand Seampunk did not have to
do the interview the way he did, and I think he knew what he
was doing. And like I said before, places I really feel that,
you know, that was a hit job done by Seampunk at least. But
the AW and Ethan realized how I was gonna make him. Look, if
they do it, I don't think it can be done right because people are
gonna say, oh, it's edited, Oh it's this, Oh it's that,
And no matter what light you put it in, it just doesn't belong.
It's not wrestling related in the past of the past. Honestly, if
it's the name Seampunk never dropped on my timeline again, I would be the
happiest person ever, because I'm done with him. I don't want to see
him on anything. I'm so tired as ego and I'm just I'm just done
with him. He's he's in the past, and we need to move on
from from him and just go forward because we have so much talent that Seampunk's
name does not need to be anywhere on AW product. And he's he's this
generation's Haul Cogan. Yes, I would. I wouldn't even give him that,
to be honest with you, At least ok Holgan was entertaining. Yeah,
you know, I mean every I mean when it came to wrestling,
he was entertaining. If you liked what he did at the ring, you
would always like what he did at the ring. Sam punk just didn't do
anything, that has not done anything entertaining in the ring, and well over
probably what a year or more. Yeah, but he continues to run his
mouth, you know, that's the thing. Yeah, so I think,
yeah, I think you're narratively threading a needle here, because if CM punk
is just irate and he's out of control and he's beating everyone up, like,
there's going to be a segment of the audience who will well, he's
beating up all the aw wrestlers, and wrestling is supposed to be have like
tough guys. So it's a lose situation in that side of things. And
yeah, so I don't know it's going to be interesting to see for sure.
Well but if Jack Perry gets beat up by a by almost fifty fifty
years older, yeah, the worst of all time, fifty year old,
he looks bad. So how do you how do you manage that? I
mean, he makes both look look bad. You know, if he does
to for Tony Kahan, you know, as the reason why he looks scared,
people are saying why he's so scared of wrestlers. He should he shouldn't
be a promoter be scared of wrestlers. Well, this dude has no training
in anything I where he's partly autistic or extremely introverted. He's just not that
demeanor. And yes, I would be if a restorer come up to me
the way that supposedly he did, then yes, I would have a be
be scared a little bit too. I'm not a guy. I'm bout the
side of Tony, uh you know, but I was just gonna make anybody
look good. Yeah. Well, I mean I just want to express my
opinion here, and my opinion is I don't really have an opinion, and
I'm going to go back to brawl out, which guess who that involved.
See, I'm punk, I wasn't there. I didn't see it, so
I have no opinion on it. Now with this, I wasn't there.
I didn't see it at all. In but I'm going to see it tomorrow
night, supposedly allegedly. Hopefully you know, some people will have that frame
of mind that I do. I mean, do I want to see it
kind of? And do I don't want to see it kind of? I'm
kind of on the fence. So but I really can't come up with an
opinion because, like I said, you know, with like with MK was
saying about seampunk and getting attacking or whatever, or Jack Perry. We don't
know if Jack Perry got in to see him Punk's face, or we don't
know if Jack Perry actually had his back turn to see him Punk. That
makes a difference. My thing about that too is if I remember there wasn't
all that much time between the two matches, was there enough time between the
two matches to have a brawl and come out and Jack come out and not
looking like he'd been in the brawl. I mean, seriously, there was
first on the card and that was and that was a a zero hour wherever
they call it, right after each other, so they that way. Yeah,
then Punk Samoajo was the first match on the card, and I think,
yeah, that was just after the fight. Yes, it just seems
kind of weird that there was enough time in there for them to have a
brawl and not just have words in passing. Well, maybe that's all it
was. You know, maybe maybe that's really all it was, and everything
else has just been exaggerated. It was just a kind of you know,
maybe a shoulder check, a little shoving match, and you know, maybe
maybe Tony Kahan said Hey, you know, we're we're not going to behave
this way and then see him Punk threaten to kill him. So, I
mean, who knows. Maybe you see him Punk didn't threaten to kill him.
Man threw a feather duster at him. You never know, right,
you know, but you know because I'm thinking there's janitorial services in the arena
started at the stadium, and there's feather dusters. Oh my, don't bind
me, don't make me, don't make me. Try to be logical.
But look, here's the thing. Tomorrow night, about an hour before Dynamite,
we're going to open up a mega thread specifically related to the all in
backstage footage that the EVPs are going to present on Dynamite tomorrow night. So
an hour before the Dynamite starts, you can go and you can post your
speculation of what's going to happen. And also while it's happening, you can
do one or two things. You can stay in the mega thread and you
can post about what's happening in relation to during and after and before this all
in backstage footage. As far as Dynamite goes, we will be holding a
live chat in our subreddit chat rooms at aw fan Hub, and you're welcome
to come and talk about all the matches in live time, and of course
we'll be watching it live while it's happening, with this all in backstage footage,
and you can get you're, you know, our knee jerk reactions to
it. And that's basically it. I mean, it's really interesting everybody what
everybody said, because I can't find fault that a single thing any of you
said. I really can't, you know. So it's just like all we
think that that proves is we have six people in this in this podcast right
now, and we all had varying opinions in some aspects of everything that that
was said. So the Internet wrestling community is going to be interesting for the
next day or two, to say the least, off the internet. Kenny
the game, the gamer guy came prediction came true. Yeah, And you
know, and whatever whoever's out there and up there, down there, whatever
you are, have mercy on our souls. I'm like, because isn't me
or is it ever? Is anybody else looking like at this like you're kind
of looking forward to it with anticipation but a huge sense of dread at the
same time. Yes, Yeah, yeah, I'm excited, but it might
be awful. It might really look bad for them, So it could be
I'm just worried about my recommended feet for the next five days. Well,
you know what. You know, look, we have the aw fantob subreddit,
and we welcome positive and negative comments about anything that has to do with
aaw you know. The only thing that we do ask is that basically you
follow the rules of reddit. You follow the rules of the of the actual
subreddit. Generally, speaking in a synopsis is don't be a dick, you
know it. And unfortunately that's really hard for people, you know, and
they say, I mean, like, like, are these comments being written
by six year old kids? Yes, they are most of them. And
I'm like, you know, people using different nicknames for different wrestlers and Tony
Kahan and somebody. I was like, what are you doing. That's something
that we used to do and I used to do personally when I was in
kindergarten, you know, making up funny names for people after that, you
you know, I mean cheese, you know. So it's tough. It's
going to be tough being a moderator on the subreddit, not only our subreddit,
but also on other subreddits, you know, wrestling or AW or probably
even WWE, because there's consider to be all hell's get a break loose.
One thing I did want to mention is did anybody see the ratings for Collision
that happened at eleven third on Saturday night? They were They were double what
I thought they were gonna be. Honestly, time that was weird. I
was like, that's not right. I just kind of there's no world like
that. And I'm an AW fan obviously, and I'm like, they messed
up to this. You know, they need to do a recount. They
came after, they came after the basketball game, and they came after people
wanting that are you know, if there's any crossover fans. They came after
the end of Night one of Russell Meania too. So yeah, but the
show was scheduled to start at eleven thirty PM Eastern Time, and literally didn't
start until around eleven forty five or even maybe eleven fifty, and so that
sucker was on until like two in the morning, you know, so you
would have figured, Remember, these ratings are the average viewers throughout the entire
two hours, so I can see that maybe it got off to a fairly
decent start. But I tell you what, after the game was over,
the NCAA basketball game, those announcers droned on forever, repeating the same thing
over and over again. With fifty million commercials. I can't imagine anybody sticking
in and using that sticking to TNT and with that lead in, because that
lead in was horrible. Yeah, you know, I'm just saying. But
anyway, that is our discussion about the CMO. We will be talking about
this tomorrow night on I'll le talk, But for now, let's get on
with the show. Let's talk about the rest of the card for Dynamite.
Alex, what do you want to talk about first? Yeah, I wanted
to just shout out actually just some of the other good wrestling we had over
the weekend. I mean, we had like a great R O H card
with some awesome matches. I love that Kyle Fletcher, Lee Shoddy, Lee
Johnson match, awesome women's matches, the the Stardom three Way, it was
crazy. Mariah may MoMA Kogu, I think it's your name. I don't
want to butcher it. Yeah, that Billy Starks match, like the ending
for that, that was good. Did any of you did anybody else get
just you know, just say yes or no. Did you guys see Riga
Water Supercard of Honor? No? Nope, yeah, no, I'm okay.
So yeah. Yeah. So Billy Starks versus Queen Amnata for the new
r O H TV title and they had a great match, and then I
think, yeah, right at the end of the match, Billy Starks went
to do a swanton bomba the top rope and landed on Queen him Nada's knees
like neck first, I think it was, and then she's like holding her
neck, she's calling for the referee. They're all coming in. They put
a neck brace on her like everything, like she was crying and she wasn't
moving, and even the announcers played it, you know, yeah, god,
it was scary, Yeah, scary. It was like, well,
there goes Billy Starks, you know, yeah, eighteen or nineteen years old,
and she's done and then she's Queen Himanada is holding the rope open for
her to get out of the ring and Billy Stark's just turns around and pins
her and it's amazing. It was great, dude. What about when Billy
Starks was kind of caught up into the ropes and kiro Hogan does this move
where she goes off the ropes and runs toward the person that's sitting basically in
the ropes and tangled to the ropes, hits them in the head with the
boot. Mm hmm. I thought I thought the match was over right then
I thought Billy Starks is dead because that they hit four unblievable. I mean,
the women really did take the show. I mean Athena and Hikaroshida was
a fantastic match, and it was kind of predictable, but you know,
they put on a good show at the Stardom the sixth woman match. Honestly,
I didn't want it to end. Yeah, they were just at the
crowd reaction. I was really interested to see how the crowd was going to
react to the Stardom women, and they brought the house down. The crowd
was vociferous, enthusiastic, and completely into it, as was I. It
was just a fun match. Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. And
though those six women are like you know, they're they're as good as,
if not better than, almost every other woman on the aw roster. Like
they're all phenomenal wrestlers. Keep in mind that there was two women in that
match that were just twenty one years old, him or Azumi. I believe
she was amazing. Yeah, she's amazing. Mina Sharikawa was amazing. Yeah,
I mean just I really liked her. Tam Nakano is amazing. And
then we got to see at the end of the match, which was really
cool for me personally, was the reunification of Rose Gold, which is Mina
Shirakawa and Mariah May. They reunited and they were something special together. And
I'm thinking we may see Marina Shirakawa and Mariah May against somebody with Tony storm
at Forbidden Door. Yeah. Actually, they're talking about it. They were
supposed to be Tony showed up, like was it third Friday last week?
She showed up Thursday Friday showed up and they were talking about it was going
to be mirror here Kawa and Tony storm At. Uh yeah. But then
that goes and leads to what are they going to do now that's going to
give them something else to put between Mariah and Tony. Yeah. Yeah,
it was good storytelling, It really was. And believe me it, Rose
Gold was a soka because Verena Mina Shirakawa is like she says insane, she
says, she's just out there. I mean she is just extroverted and as
unbashful as I've ever seen a human being be. I mean she is,
she just puts it all out there, body and soul, and it could
I don't know. It's just it's just gonna be fun. It's gonna be
fun. I mean that match was fun. If Rose Gold gets together does
a match with Tony Storman somebody, it's gonna be fun. It really is.
That's all I could say. So. Yeah. Then in the men's
matches, what was your favorite men's match of the of the Ring of Honor?
Card Alex Like, I'm a Kyle Fletcher fanboy. I feel like I'm
trying to get ahead. Yeah, I'm I'm Kyle Fletcher all the way.
Uh. I think he's yeah future, like world champion, Like he's six
three, he's if you see a picture of Kyle Fletcher from like four five
years ago, he's like skinny, he's like a cruiserweight looking guiney as can
be. Like he looks like a completely different person, and I just think
he's gonna be real great one day. Yeah, then you had the match
between Dalton Castle and Johnny TV, which was a w TF match from beginning
to end, and I'm pretty sure that that's the way they wanted it to
be because there was no wrestling in that match whatsoever. I mean, it
was just pratt fall after brat fall with interference from everybody to back. Put
on a flamingo or a peacock head dress and ran out and was one of
the boys. You know. It was just like, I mean, who
did we say? We had that John Walter Houser is that his name?
He was? He was he came out, he was Yeah, he was
a he was a boy and we had oh god. It was just like,
yeah, there's some like yeah, they had some big guys to like,
some big beefy dudes. Yeah. I mean there must have been at
the end of the matter, must have been like at least six or seven
boys out there, m hm, various sizes and they picked up Tyler,
Valkyrie and carrier to the pack to get it for it was. Yeah,
there were some guy on given that given that one some crap, I said,
do you not know where we want our history? They're they're kind of
goofy I mean that's what they do. They they don't take everything super seriously.
They've had some friends that are just really eye rolling to me sometimes,
but that's what they are, the goofy And that match was meant to be
goofy. It wasn't meant to be serious. No, it wasn't. And
then we had a surprise match between uh Bull Club Gold and uh Lance Archer
and god, I'm having a break. Alexane Monsters yeah their tag team,
Yeah, and uh who else I can't even picture who was in that match
with them, you know, you know, Murder Grandpa. Oh yeah.
And I will say this, I don't know how you feel about it,
but that was the most spot I've ever had watch him in or Suzuki ever.
He he had life in him, you know that I had not seen
before. And he was funny. What he screamed ass boy either colted or
ass I can't remember. It was at the regular time. It was hysterical,
and of course the champions retained and then the acclaim comes out, yeah
you know, and yeah, and a belt nor Suzuki. He had a
match actually like just hours before somewhere else in Philadelphia for Joey Janella's spring break.
So he just gotten a taxi, flew over and showed up for another
match, got a taxi, it flew over for his back to the Future
shit or something here, Yeah, you know, under it under an hour
the larean text. There you go. But yeah, I mean it was
a great card. But if you do have an opportunity and you do get
Honor Club, it is well worth watching because there was some seriously good entertainment,
arguably better than some of the stuff that AW itself puts out, especially
if you like women's matches, because they match. I watched what's that man,
Eddie Kingston? Oh yeah, that you know, I gotta say something
about that match, you know, because again there wasn't a whole lot of
wrestling in that match, you know. But I have a lot of respect
for Eddie Kingston because for for that match, because I mean, he made
it believable, but it was kind of obvious he was gonna lay down and
play dead, you know, for for Mark Briscoe. And then at the
end of it, you know, you could see, and this is what
I really liked about it with Kingston. You could see in Kingston's face how
absolutely over the moon happy he was for Mark Briscoe. There was no question
that Eddie Kingston loved every second of that match. Mm hmm. And that's
something because you know, wrestlers could be selfish, as can every other human
being in the world. And Eddie Kingston now has lost two of his titles
and is likely going to lose a third as soon as he wrestled somebody from
New Japan. Uh Sunday, I think Sunday or Saturday this weekend. He's
Gabe kid. Yeah, okay, he'll be next week. Yeah. So
you go from title holder the title list. So yeah, so anyway,
let's again like a phoenix from the ashes. Well, I like Eddie most
as the guy that's fighting for a title rather than three title holder draped and
gold Eddie. I agree. I like Eddie as a guy who gets his
head bashed in, but it's for a reason, you know, like you
know, a vendetta or grudge or something like that. But Eddie should never
win a match ever. Awful from here, I thought there was a heart,
you know, It's just like I was. Even if Eddie was wrestling
in the Paralympics, the Paralympic wrestlers would be better than Eddie Kings. That
was classless and horrible, but it's the truth. I'm sitting here and I'm
like a shaved of myself and proud of myself at the same time for saying
that, Oh my goodness, the Golden Girls for you tonight. Don't go
to the girls. Don't be Arthur. You will get that when you see
the graphic for the Bega Bega threat tomorrow. On the awats reddit, Alex
what match diedeal talk about? Okay, Yeah, let's talk about this trios
match Chris Jericho Shebata. This is like the first time I'm reading that.
So Shabata is now in the Jericho verse, so that's cool. Yeah.
And then we have Shane Taylor Promotions newly joined by Anthony A Gogo. Oh
yeah, Like yeah. When I first heard Anthony and Gogo is joining them,
I'm like, oh, maybe they're gonna start winning some matches. And
now I see who they're facing, and I know they're not going to win
this match. Good. I don't. I'm not a fan of a go
Go ever since his his his feud with Cody Rhodes, but way back when
I just he doesn't have it for me. But I seen somebody out there
likes him. Uh, he just I don't know. I don't like him
personally either. Some of the statements he's made to different wrestlers. I think
he's a jerk. So that's just that's just me. What did he say?
Uh, he was making fun of Grisham's tithe and said something my wife,
oh and some other stuff like that. He's break it. I want
to break in here. It gives me had a little fun last week.
Remember Hooks Dynamite graphic last week. Well, he is on this is his
face is on this one. But I want to know your guys are gonna
laugh. I want to know how tall Lee Moriarty is and is he actually
a foot shorter that at the Go go? And and Shane Taylor because he
looks like he looks like a little kid this traffic. He looks like he's
about two foot four next to men. I mean he's he's not a very
big guy. Yeah, but like I know, he's not a giant guy.
But you can't tell me he's that small. I mean, look at
Shane Taylor's face, it's like two and a half times the size of Lee
Briarty's face. Oh wow, I'm thinking right there. I don't know,
I just think it. I just looked at it and I was like,
okay, I'm sorry, go ahead guys. Oh god, So does anybody
have the STP winning this match? Not at all? No, why should
we start now? Right? And again, you never knew you get on
the jobber stated by Tony Collins. Yeah, let's have them win f like,
have them beat the Dark Order or something in a on Collision. You
know, but if you want to see him win, you have to watch
Rampage. I guess Rampage. I did a post about this on the subreddit.
I think it's been a year since Lee Moriarty has won a match.
Shane Taylor last one to match over a year ago on Dark He's never wont
to match like on Collision, Dynamite or whatnot. M hmm. I think
it was MK brought up go Go's uh feud with Cody Rhodes. Was it
UMK that did dead or was it Sutton? Okay, Cody Rhodes is the
only aw wrestler that ever beat Anthea Gogo. Anthia Gogo actually has something like
a twenty and one record in all matches. I mean, he's got a
long list of wins, none of them worth the damn. You know.
They're against you know, local talents that were brought on the Dark and stuff,
other than Cody Rhodes, which he lost, but he does have a
lot of wins. Yeah, yeah, I misspoke, I said rampage.
But now you have to watch Ring of Honor to see these guys win because
that's like the Jobbers show now instead of Dark. Yeah, it's just an
entertain I mean I don't care about this match. I don't. No,
I literally don't care about it. Either MK or or something whoever said that
pist bring match in the night. But I always like Shabata, I mean
I do too. But I mean look, I mean we know that Chris
Jericho, Cook and Chibati are gonna win this match, and they're gonna drag
it out for ten minutes for no reason. Well we could be seeing something
better. Yeah, I can't argue with that. That's my whole point.
And that's that's where aw they have their jobbers and that's it. And you
know when you see somebody they're gonna lose yep, So well well they may
you know, it might be a thing with the Go Go knocks out Jericho.
Well, I would pay to see that. That's a possibility. M
hm. He did the other question, but they may be the end.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, fair enough, we will move on
to something people are more excited about. The rest of the matches actually look
good. So thank you for picking the piece of Ship match first there,
Alex Well, I was curious about STP. But yeah, everyone, Oh
yeah, I would have been like at the end of the show, Oh
yeah STP is fighting Jericho Shabata. Thank you for listening. Goodbye. You
know what kind of thing you know? Actually, this is the first time
I saw it. I was like, oh shit and go goo. Okay,
anyways, let's switch here, working up Mariah May versus Anna J.
What are your thoughts on this match? Another good showcase for Mariah. Maybe
she has to bounce back after that loss. Well, did she have a
false window? Did she actually win the match but it wasn't counted or am
I just thinking about pretty much every other match at AW does in the women's
division these days. M hm, No, she lost and she I mean
she lost to h It was a loss. Does anybody want does anybody want
to see Anna J win this match? I'd love to see energy. It
won't happen. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen yet. Yeah,
I mean she do she you know, she gets a hard time from people,
But I personally I think Anna Ja is I mean, she's she's a
bigger girl, you know, meaning that she's taller, and she's not like
this little waif you know. But I don't think that she's as bad as
people make her out to be, you know, because I've heard some very
negative comments about Anna j. But I don't think they've watched that a jay
In the last couple of years, she's approved a lot. Oh yeah,
she doesn't. And the thing with her is she's she's not been doing this
that long, you know what I mean. She's like in this is what
her fourth or fifty years she's been wrestling, right, so you know,
she's improved a lot from when she first started, and she's got a long
way she could go. But it's just she just kind of falls into that.
With the women's division the way it seems anymore, there's the group that's
gonna win and then there's the ones that aren't. Yeah, she she was
handpicked by Brodie Lee, so that's a big deal. But I remember she
gave Jay Cargo some pretty good matches and made her look decent, So I
don't think she's terrible. I think she does what she does and she's kind
of the mid card feud person, kind of like Ruby Soho and all that.
They're not terrible and they and it put on decent matches and make people,
so that's where their job is and they do it right. By the
way, I do want to give a shout out to Jade Cargill, a
former AW champion, so it's relevant to bring it up on this podcast.
She did defeat Chelsea Green and her first singles WWE match, it took her
only thirty two seconds, So way to go, Jade. It took you
less time to beat a WWE female wrestler that it did ANYAW wrestler that was
on the AW roster, So way to go. Improve make that proof that
AW hicks WWE's ass. That's it, Seriously, it's she beat She did
beat Sky Blue with I think it was in like a minute one time,
but she did beat like one other person in an AW match in thirty one
seconds, but she wasn't on the AW roster. She was like you know,
Patty Upper Princess, you know from Pennsylvania, you know kind of thing.
So so yeah, so it took her, after all that training that
she did, she finally beat She did all that training to prove that a
w wrestlers lasts longer in the ring than Jake with Jake Cargilden w W Wrestlers.
Wow, way to go w W E. I'm just josh it,
come on, you know, I don't know if any one you know,
yeah, can can she start a new undefeated streak? Like? Does that
count? I guess you can start a new undefeated streak in a obviously weaker
promotion, you know, with the just want you know. W W apparently
signed Julia and they're putting her on that XT. I'm like, what the
only reason you put Julia on n XT is because she's so much better than
everybody else. They don't want her to kill anybody, Gonna literally have to
rain Julia in. That's the problem with that's the problem with that place.
They they and even though it's no longer vinced, if you're not homegrown,
you don't go where you want to go. Get Yeah, I no,
she didn't, But okay, come on, man, I mean, I
think she should have spent because they used to do that. But I think
NXT is not like what it used to be. It seems only like it's
just young people where it used to be like indie wrestlers and young people.
Yeah. Yeah, they they pretty much made it their their second brand and
you know where they try to say that this and that and the other.
But yeah, it's it's nothing like what it used to be. Is not
the same, Well look at it. The My point is is that Mariah
May and and a J could kick anybody's ass in w W. That's my
point. I just wanted to say that the rile up people. But anyway,
it is I said I said this last week. I really believe that
Mariah May is probably up easily top three best women's wrestlers, arguably could be
number one in in a W. I think she's that good. And that
has a lot to do with stardom because when stardom, if Stardom and AW
do UH do a partnership, it's just gonna be so much. It's gonna
be so good for stardom because startdom is losing members of their roster, but
they still have plenty left in the tank uh, and it's gonna be great
for a W because they're gonna have to be great to compete with Startom.
You know, it is, it is what it is. So so I
think we all agree that Varamey is gonna beat n a J. But we'd
like to see na J win, you know, at least doing really really
well. Oh she'll do well, Yeah, she'll do well. He'll do
well. Yeah, Alex, let's move on. What do you what do
you want? What do you want me to fed people with? Next?
Let's Adam Copeland Penta zero meeto. I guess I don't have a lot to
say about this. I think Adam Copeland's going to win for sure, but
I feel like we haven't seen well. I think he was on Collision,
which I missed, but yeah, that more Penta is always cool by me.
Did you guys see the Pentam and Commander match on Collision? I missed
it? Man was it was? It was a great match. It was
great. Pent is one of those guys that just goes and he's he's he
does live that no fear, you know what I mean? And when his
when him and his brother together, they're one of my favorite tag teams.
Because those guys just are over the top. And somebody was talking about that,
I can't it was I think the announcement we're talking about that any match
that has Penda in it is like guaranteed to be a great match. Yeah
yeah, I mean, do you think the Pent's gonna he's gonna small chance.
I would love to see him win it, but it's too ready for
coping to lose it. Yeah, they're not gonna. They're not gonna have
him lose it in a in a Cope open. It's gonna be at a
pay per view when he does. Yeah. Oh yeah, well you know
what, I wouldn't be upset if at the pay per view it was Pentha
that yeah, was at least not say beat him, but in the in
the pay per view with him, because Penta, as you said, was
is that good? Yeah? And he deserves to be in the limelight,
and that's a that's a that's a big issue for a w You've got so
many people that deserve to be there that just can't be you know what I
mean. So yeah already, so yeah, I'll be there. But oh
yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean it's yeah, yeah, I
mean I like Panta for what he's worth. He's a good wrestler. I
would love to see him more storylines by himself. I would love to see
uh, look you underground Panta more than what we see now because he was
he was great there. But I think he, you know, without his
brother, he's kind of lost, I feel. So maybe he gets back,
they'll get back to business. You think he'll be smart to put somebody
like Panta or even some of the other Loop doores like Commander in matches and
Forbidden Door with CMO c m l L wrestlers as their partners, just to
give the familim. Yeah, those you need to speak the same language too,
or even put him in matches against each other. I mean if if,
if you know, if Penti's brother's not back by then hopefully he will
be, you know, have him in Commander go up against a CMLACK attack
team. That would be crazy. Yeah. I think one of the things
that I've heard is that there's drama between Triple A and CMLL and Penta's like
a Triple A guy, so as if not allowed to be in matches together,
they can be on the same card but not competing against or with each
other. Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah, that was a thing with
was it New Japan? New Japan had a everybody said they had an agreement
with one of them, but they couldn't have an agreement with the other issues
for working with a W and then somehow they worked that out. Mm hmm.
Yeah. The only drama is not just awwwb, it's also right,
wasn't wasn't Ray Phoenix, Alex and Triple A and left Triple A completely.
I think it might have been Rouge that that left Triple A completely, But
I think like Phoenix and Penta are still kind of friends with Conan, who's
involved with the backstage stuff of Triple A, so I think there's still ties
there. Yeah. I think the backstory behind that is that Phoenix really wanted
to become a US citizen and so he couldn't travel. When you're trying to
do that, I guess you need to stay in the United States and be
a citizen. So I don't know if Phoenix is a US citizen yet,
but that's what I understand that he was trying to do, and that's why
he left Triple A. And he must be healthy soon. I thought,
I thought I saw somewhere that he's having a match media another promotion. Yeah
yeah, maybe. I mean I like Phoenix too. I mean they're good,
both of them together with Pack dest Triangles are really good trios, even
though I'm not a fan of a Tree at all. And I think you're
gonna see the unification of those trios championships pretty soon. And I really do
think it's gonna be an r H championship and not any a W championship.
Please, you know, the same guy, you know that I was kind
of sort of praying to before, make it happen. So yeah, so
let's move on because obviously we're just not really talking too much about this match.
We have the whole Tony we have another is this Is this a new
feature from Tony Storm. I see Luther, Mariah May and thunder Rosa and
Tony Storm and Tony Storm and Tony Storm in the graphic here, Uh,
championship champagne? What's that? What could that possibly mean? What could that
mean? She's gonna come out do to Charleston's gonna fight thunder Roses to the
ring. They're gonna have a champagne toast. It's gonna hit thunder Rosa over
the head. With the champagne bottle, and that's gonna be the end of
it, that's my prediction. Or they're just gonna get in the ring and
wearing these old timey outfits, or they're just gonna do to Charleston. In
Charleston, West Virginia. There you go in place place some swing music.
Yeah, is this what Charleston? I'm not familiar. I'm Canadians. So
Charleston, West Virginia doesn't seem like Hollywood Tony Storm to me. I don't
know. It's the capital West Virginia. But you know it's one of those
things where they used to go there a lot. People go to Charles,
They go to all the different places to go to Charleston a lot. It's
one of the bigger towns in West Virginia. Yeah, they have like seven
or eight cows there. It's a little bigger than that. Listen, just
because it's in the just because it's in the Appalachian Mountains and in Appalachia doesn't
mean it's small. Alasia is that the palt Isn't that the country of the
Princess Diaries? You are the Queen of Appalachia. I don't know about that.
I didn't see the Princess Diaries. Oh my god, how could you
not see the Princess Diaries. It's a classic. Because I was an adult,
you didn't have any reason to watch it, and my daughter was old
enough and was into dirty dancing. I've never seen I've never been the Diary,
so I don't feel bad. So I haven't seen it. So obviously
you haven't seen Princess Diaries too either. For shape guys, I'm waiting for
Princess Diaries three D then I might what's it? Yeah, there you go
that. Have you seen Princess Diary? Yes? I have, Thank god.
Well is it? Is it? Or is it not a classic?
It's a classic. I mean it's not. It's no double you know,
Devil Wears Praduct. But it is a classic. It's a classic. Yeah.
Yeah, I love the one where Andrea the Giant wasn't it is it?
No? Yes? Yes it was, yes, Yes, that's the
one halfway, Yes it is halfway and Andrea Giant, there's a horse.
Basically, I've heard it's a very good movie. I just never watched it.
Wasn't my cup of tea? Yeah? Well, oh boy, okay,
so that's that's my prediction. We'll see what happens. How we got
from Charleston, West Virginia to the Princess Diaries. I brought it up,
but I'm blaming you all. I have to go back and listen to the
podcast out to see how the hell did that happen. Oh a w is
coming to the Seattle area for one of their next shows in May. I
believe I'm gonna try to go. I don't know yet, but I'm gonna
try and see if I can go. So there's still some tickets available.
We'll see what happens. A w fan hub business cards and throw them at
the crowd getting thrown at them. Throw them like the young Bucks, throw
the throw their money. Yeah. Yeah, it's been so Alex. And
what do we have? One more match? Is that it? Yeah?
Yeah, one more match? Samoa Jo versus Dustin Rhodes. And I can
only think this is done because Cody Rhodes is such a big deal in w
w E now and they just want to bring out his brother to have a
match. That's kind of how I see this going, and they don't see
him winning. I think Samojo's got this, but it'll be a good match.
I mean Dustin's one of the better performers, and he's been around long
enough and he's, like I like to call him, he's a natural so
hooper, are on a good match, But yeah, I'm not thrill that
the match matches on on Dynamite. Well, he's also one of the most
respected ones too, wouldn't you say? Yes? Yes? Yeah. I
kind of think Justin is quietly going away. He's he's not going to necessarily
announce it, but he is just very quietly getting all of the matches he's
he's wanted to have, and he's going to make an exit from wrestling soon.
Do you want him to win a few of them? It was like,
you know, okay, I've lost everybody. I can go now.
You know what, it seems like I really want him to get a title
before I do too. I mean, I Dustin can still go. I
could see him winning the International. That would be good, that would be
maybe he will. I don't care. What's the ring of on our title?
I mean something I don't. I don't. I don't want him to
go to ring Abot. I want him. I think the I think the
suggestion for the international title, I think that's a really good suggestion. I
really do. I know he's never won a world title, but I'm I
want to see him in a w win the title in the in the big
company. I guess the best way to put it a big company. Yeah,
that would be that would be a good way for him to go out.
I mean I get that most people, like you know we talked about
when Sting retired, they usually go out on their back. But I would
love to see him get at least one time. It doesn't even matter if
it's like from one pay per view to the next, but get him a
shot in the title because he's I mean, he's been doing this for what
fifty years or so four decades? Forty years? Yeah, like for eight
Yeah. I can remember him when he was back in those days. Yeah,
he had the bunk house ball and you have the match on the back
of the trailer. Yeah. So I was thinking of, you know,
this match has got to be kind of hard on Samo Joe because obviously he
wants he's gonna win. But I think that some old Joe's the type of
person he's gonna do everything he can to make Dustin Rhodes look good. It
didn't take much, no, and I think it's gonna be. This is
this is one of those kind of messes that you can actually say they you
don't have to have somebody put the other one over, you know what I
mean, because we're both really good and you know it's gonna end up probably
with uh Sworth coming out, so there's gonna probably be They'll probably say there's
gonna be overtime tomorrow. So you know, that's just more more opportunity for
that to uh blossom. Well, you know, one of the things that
I'm interested in, and this correlates with the all in backstage video. What
if this video shows Samoa Joe and as the hero of the whole story,
we don't know, you know, what if it shows him. What if
it shows him as the guy that brought reason and respectability back to the backstage
and then they come out with the Samoa Joe match with Dustin Rose right after
they showed a video. You know, I mean, because we all know
that you know, the STP and the Sbata Jericho Hook match is going to
be the main event, because yes, because because Tony Kahn just does that
ship. Anyway, guys, where would you guys put where would you guys
put the video package that they're going to first. Would you make people tune
in for a while in the middle or how would you guys do it?
I would personally put it first because I would want to get it done and
over with so that you can because unless it's something that is like earth shaking
revealing, it's going to slew it on the moment of the show. Yeah,
so you either got to do it first or you got to do it
last. You gotta do it first, but you got you gotta do it
first, but you got to give something something going on while it's going on,
like have a picture and picture kind of things showing Samoa and Joe while
Somemojoe is participating in the video, and then have the Samoa Joe and Dustin
Rose match next, you know, and may even show Dustin Rhodes a picture
of Dustin Rhodes in the audience at at WrestleMania, So that would grab the
because here's the point I'm making here is that people are gonna be tuning in
for the first time just to see this video. If you put on Shabbata
Jericho and Hook first against STP, They're going to change a channel before the
match is even halfway done. Sorry, but they are. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. So you use the video to promote your next match and
then hopefully you get you know, those people entertained for twenty thirty minutes and
hope that some of them will stick around and watch the rest of the show.
Yeah. Yeah, so it's gonna be interesting. I mean, that
whole thing is I don't know. I just don't know. I have mercy,
honest, that's all I can say. Like I said, I just
I don't know about this, this whole deal. Yeah, too much of
a WCW moment. I don't think it's gonna be one that we look back
on and say, okay, whatever. I just don't think it's gonna be
that. It's either gonna be very very bad or very very good. And
what I mean very bad. It could be very very bad, stupid,
idiotic, senseless. Am I good at just maybe like wow, that made
a you look pretty good? Mm hmmm, at least very entertaining. I
guess the hope I can see I can actually see this being a BT skit
with with people in the back, like playing the parts to do a skiit
type thing. I really can see that happening. Yeah, Yeah, because
the fact that, yeah, maybe you could get ReHO to play the feather
duster. I'm sorry, I love you know that. You know, I
have a lot of respect to Reope. I'm just I'm not saying about her
size. I'm saying about the frilly, feathery outfits she wears Dorm movie,
you know. So anyway, definitely interesting. I don't know, I'm just
in a weird mood. I'm trying to giddy thinking about this tomorrow night.
It's like I'm looking forward to it with It's such a dread and it's such
a wonder at the same time. You know, Yeah, we'll see where
I don't. It could go either way, honestly, Yeah, I mean
there are It's very interesting listening to reading comments from the Internet wrestling community,
especially on aw Fano, because people are just they've already made up their mind
how it's going to go mm hmm. It's like, I mean, unfortunately,
that's that's that's what people do nowadays. You know, they listen to
whatever was said about it when it happened and make up their mind. They're
not gonna worry about what it actually gonna show. And that's part of why
I think there could be an issue you've already got. So it's my biggest
deal with problem with it is it's been too long. It's almost been a
year. You know, what's the point now. I mean literally nobody in
aw you should even give two ships with Ac and Punk says, because we
all know what he is. He's he's in an attention getter that's gonna come
out, run his mouth and say whatever. I'm trying to make himself look
good. And to me, if you're you know, if this would have
been right after it happened, they say, hey, this is why we
fired him. Show the video. Yeah, well some stupid interview the popa
bear and I guess took the bait. So well, it's going to be
fun and I you know, I highly recommend people join us on the live
chat during nine of mine and the aw FANU chat rooms tomorrow. I know
some of you will be there because it's gonna be it's gonna be nuts,
it's gonna be there's either gonna be a lot of clapping, cheering or you
know, severe eye rolling. And uh, it's just weird. I mean
so many different reactions. It's just already. I mean it was nobody's even
seen it yet and people are reacting to it like how But anyway, all
I can say is nothing, I plead the fifth. Yeah, well we'll
have a lot to say tomorrow, that's for sure. Yeah, well,
give everybody a chance to spew their mind little hearts out tomorrow night and on
I'll lead talk after Dynamite. So anyway, well that's going to be the
show for tonight. It was just it was a weird show tonight because we
were focused on one thing. Basically, let's face it. You know,
their announcement has done what it's probably meant to have been done, and that's
to get interest for Dynamite tomorrow night. The crowd is secondary. The size
of the crowd, meaning is secondary. The match card is almost secondary.
We will be tuning in to watch that video and hopefully that's not all that's
interesting in the show. So m hmm, it does something needs to be
said, is because look, if if they do show it first, we're
gonna leave to talk about it. Yeah, it's not a show. So
yeah, so anyway, it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be interesting.
So anyway, unless they say something like we'll have more Part two of the
video is coming. What if they do that part one, part two of
the video and in this just before our main event. Yeah, that's that's
complete w c W thing right there, which means let's do it, guys.
Yeah, Eric bishoff my hero, you asshole. Anyway you're here.
Maybe maybe they'll bring him out to be the moderator. Oh jesu. Oh
good. The I think worse than Eric Bishop is Vince Russo. Seriously,
come on, anyway, don't even get me started on that. You know,
does he did do one good thing. He gave us the greatest w
CW champion of all time, and of course I'm talking about David Arcatt anyway,
any take that mic away from him? Oh god? Anyway. So
anyway, that's going to be the show, and we will see you tomorrow
night on all Lead Talk for Ignition and all of the aw fanb podcast team.
This is Kelson Alex. Good night, everybody,