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Well, whiskey coming thing my pain, Oh don't. From power Line blog

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dot com and produced by Ricochet dot
Com. This is the Three Whiskey Happy

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Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward,
John You and power Lines International Woman of

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Mystery Lucretia. Have you gotta giving? Let that whiskey flow when you're being

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in love, down and load.
Welcome everybody to a special Civil War edition

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of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour podcasts. And I'm not just talking about Texas's

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effort to secede from the Union over
the border back when we are going to

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carry out a long, long promised
discussion about the nature of the Civil War,

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about whether it's slavery or was it
about the Union? We're both.

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It's pretty salient right now, John, And just say you're you're You're in

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You're in big trouble tonight, John, Just say that. Bring it on,

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Bring it on. Followers of Saint
Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, one of

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whom I am witched? Is that
stupid old syntax from I saw on sea

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spend once on the floor of the
house. Look, the Civil War discussion

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is suddenly very salient with what's going
on in Texas right now, that's all.

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It's blessed. No, no,
no, no, And you think

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I thank Governor Greg Abbott for making
our discussions civil war timely and relevant.

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And I'll just say John here,
you know, as we will discover shortly,

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you're in deep trouble too. To
paraphrase the what the great Charles Dickens

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line, Uh, the positive law
is an ass, which of course is

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your position in all this. So
this is Charles Charles Dickens said that he

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said the law is an ass.
Yeah, you don't know that, really,

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no, because I mean that's like
the shortest sentence Charles Dickens ever wrote.

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Done right, it doesn't sound like
Charles seconds. Yeah, that's sentence

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goes on for like a whole page. Anyway, Hi, everybody, I'm

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drawing you. I'm here with my
co host Steve Heyward. Hey, Steve,

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how are you? What are you
drinking? Good? Val beeting the

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twelve year old Doublewood. It's very
nice and I need to right now.

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And the international Woman of Mystery,
Lucretia, how are you and what are

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you drinking? Well? I'm well, John, thank you, I'm drinking

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a very nice twenty sixteen Brunello di
Monticino, because I have to be up

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long, long, long before the
crack of dawn, and I often don't

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sleep well. Scotch tends to wake
me up a little. That's that's one

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of the good old scotch. Farmers
used to drink it. You know,

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they go out early in the morning, they get to work it. You

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know, four in the morning,
they'd be in the fields and they'd come

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in about nine and have a couple
of DRAMs of scotch to give them energy

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for the rest of the day.
Sounds like a It sounds like a few

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professor as you've guys had a Claremont
from what I could tell anyway, So

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I have the honor of setting the
agenda for today. So the first issue

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we're going to talk about is the
crisis at the border, which has suddenly

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turned into a constitutional crisis, sparking
discussions of Central High School in Arkansas and

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Arkansas and the nullification crisis and the
Civil War and the nature of the Union.

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I can't believe this is all has
just happened in about a week.

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How did this happen? So the
basic facts of the issue, and you

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guys correct me if you're wrong,
If I'm wrong, but it just started

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out with Texas laying a very sharp
form of barbed wire concertina wire, which

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is used in war usually concertina,
along the banks of the Rio Grande River,

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and the federal government has been trying
to cut parts of it, and

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there's video and pictures available. They
want seem to allow illegal aliens to cross

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through the wire. The State of
Texas has has sued the United States and

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said that this amounts to a violation
of state sovereignty, of Texas's control over

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its own territory, Texas's right to
defend itself. The federal government says it

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has a complete national power over the
borders and over immigration. Texas says it

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has the right to engage in self
defense against an invasion. This has gone

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already to the Supreme Court just on
emergency motions. People making a big deal

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of this, but this is just
the question that Supreme Court decided earlier this

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week, was just whether to stop
the federal government from cutting through the concertina

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wire while arguments go forward in the
federal courts in Texas ultimately to the Supreme

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Court. The Supreme Court did say
that the federal government could go on and

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cut through the barbed wire, did
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actual merits between federal controller immigration versus
the state's right of self defense. But

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yeah, they didn't decide. But
the interesting thing is four justices dissented and

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would have allowed Texas to continue laying
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federal government from cutting. And this
was Justice Thomas Alito, Gore Sutch,

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and Kevin Awe, and presumably therefore
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federal government to continue, according to
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only were the three liberal justices but
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Surprisingly, I think so that's where
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are escalating right because, according to
to news reports, Texas is either refusing

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to allow federal officials to get near
the barbed wire or is dragging its feet

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or delaying things. Governor Abbott has
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has said that the federal government should
not have complete authority over immigration, citing

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Justice Scalia's dissent in this case,
I'm sure we're going to talk about Arizona

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versus United States. Let's start with
Lucretia, is this really a constitutional crisis?

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Is this really a dispute that really
raises these fundamental questions about do states

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have some kind of inherent sovereignty still
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right self defense that exists outside of
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begin this by saying that I was
in a rental car with no option for

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any streaming media. So while I
had the car for a couple of weeks,

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I was listening to a bunch of
our old podcasts, and I have

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to say that my favorite line of
my own, at least from a podcast,

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was when we were discussing this back
I think in February, when we

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were discussing the Supreme Court opinion that
established late, late, late into our

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republic that somehow this was a federal
only responsibility. And we were talking,

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talking, and you said, but
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you know that's the law. And
I said, no, it's not the

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law. It's what some stupid judge
said. And what do we care about

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what some stupid judge said? Right, I had a kind of judge for

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you, Lucretia, that this stupid
judgement Clarence Thomas isn't stupid. Oh ever,

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correct, I don't think he's ever
been stupid. But anyway, No,

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actually I do have a serious point, John, and you're going to

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be a little surprised by this,
But if we're going to move somehow into

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the possibility of Texas seceding and civil
war, whatever, I actually think that

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a much more moderate position, consistent
with the constitution and the rule of law,

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is to say that, in fact, Texas has every ability to enforce

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its own safety, the safety of
its citizens, enforce the borders that are

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Texas borders, and that it's certainly
the governor's decision to say that we do

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not believe for the sake of the
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the federal government is adequately protecting them, and we are going to do so.

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That to me is a much less
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Biden administration coming in with, you
know, threatening force to use force against

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the Texas National Guard for simply trying
to keep criminals out of their Let's not

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forget we are talking criminals. We
are not talking poor, helpless, oh

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people who want a camera for a
better life. They are criminals. They

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are breaking our laws. They're felons. Why do we want people whose first

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act entering the country is to commit
a felony? Okay, sorry, rant,

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but my point is Texas has every
right to do so, and there's

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nothing in the constitution that says they
cannot. There's only a stupid Supreme Court

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decision, ill decided, no basis
for it other than this silly also made

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up Supreme Court precedent of preemption,
and I think that the best thing to

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do would be for the Supreme Court
to step in and say, yeah,

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as a matter of fact, Texas
can prote their borders. As a matter

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of fact, they have an obligation, a closer obligation to the safety of

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their people than the federal government ever
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I still maintain the position that cars. You made the comment that Carsantina

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wire is something used in war,
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is a radical or extreme measure.
My position on the border is we should

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put out a shoot on site order
let people know that within X number of

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hours, anybody attempting to cross the
border anywhere but at official border crossings with

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official papers, et cetera, will
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is the most humanitarian thing that we
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let's not never mind the fentanyl crisis
and everything else that's happening to our

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own people. What happens to the
small percentage nowadays that aren't military aged young

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men, but are indeed families,
women and children. They are so abused,

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So the human suffering, the human
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sex trafficking, the women sex trafficking, that all of that is so egregious,

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so horrible that anybody who doesn't think
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completely and never let another soul in
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So that's my thought on the matter. So let me bring Stephen here.

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Yeah, and so what do you
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section ten, which we've talked about
before, which says no state shall,

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without the consent of Congress, engage
in war unless actually invaded or in such

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imminent danger as will not admit of
delay. So doesn't that provision actually have

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been a state's right to self defense, the one that Lucretia has so eloquently

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defended. But it says you're right
to engage in this war self defense?

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Is you need to be actually invaded
or imminent danger, as will not admit

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of delay. This doesn't seem to
be a sudden attack or a problem that's

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suddenly befallen. The country in Washington
can't react fast enough. This is an

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issue that's been going on for years, years, decades even. Yeah,

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so let me backstop Lucretia. By
the way, Lucretia's going to get her

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chance. She's almost shaken, no, so hard that she's almost like the

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Little Girl and the Exorcist and spun
her head completely around. She's mussing her

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hair and a whole bit. I'm
aside with Lucretia here, and look even

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later when we go to New Hampshire
and making it maybe if we get there.

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Well, first of all, just
a brief comment, listeners, and

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you are likely shocked at her suggestion
of a shoot on side order. But

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I recall it the late great Edward
Banfield of Harvard, who liked the shock

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people. He said forty years ago
or more, the only way you stop

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illegal immigration, you said, John
had gone for decades. Bamfield, decades

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ago said the only way to stop
illegal immigrations to shoot people crossing the border.

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That was Banfield. I think it
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got to Harvard. And anyway,
so look, John, let me do

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it this way, Steve, just
quickly. All I want to say is,

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I'm not even suggesting shoot on site
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am suggesting I'm get deterrent. No, yes, as a deterrent, but

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as a deterrent to keep what I
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basis is happening to people who are
encouraged by this corrupt administration to come here

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for their corrupt reasons. But what
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No, you don't your stories.
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if there were serious border control,
whether it goes to the extreme that

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you and I just endorsed, it
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That's the first fact. The second
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to rise. So people who've come
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let's leave aside what's wrong with the
asylum process, but some are making the

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legal claim of asylum that has been
blown wide open. Some of them are

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leaving and going back and they said, gush, we thought we were this

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is gonna be great, and that
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Johnyway Steve back on point. Yeah. Sorry. Does a state have the

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right to decide to use some kind
of military level force against aliens trying to

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cross the border despite Article one,
Section ten, despite what the Supreme Court

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has said about the division of authority
of immigration being wholly in the hands of

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the federal government. Right, My
answer is yes, we are in a

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constitutional crisis about this. But first
of all, John, let me make

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sure that I state your position in
general terms accurately. In our you state

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your position. You state your position. They'll not come at the end and

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state my position. Well, but
see, I'm gonna I've got to this.

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I'm doing this like Thomas Aquinas who
state the objections and then rebuttals to

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the objections. Right, That's how
I want to proceed here. You said

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in the past to two things.
I think One, is this actually an

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invasion? There's they're not armed,
they're not backed by a foreign power like

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a formal arm rate one. Two, the supremacy clause essentially immigration and enforcement

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of the borders of federal responsibilities solely
and preems the states totally cogent arguments,

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purely positive law and why I think
that we are in a moment of constitutional

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crisis is simple through us a lot
of ways. But let me just give

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you John to start out the argument. One clause from the Declaration of Independence.

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Remember those dietments against the king and
all the things that he'd done to

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degrade the self government of the colonies. One of them rings just follows quote

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he meaning King George, he has
four bidden his governors to pass laws of

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immediate and pressing importance unless suspended in
their operation till his assent should be obtained,

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and when so suspended, he has
utterly neglected to attend to them.

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I think that end quote, by
the way, I think that sentence applies

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perfectly to the Bide administration. They're
saying, Texas, you can't do this.

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We're going to take down those concertina
wires or whatever the floats in the

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river, and then we will do
nothing and will just continue to let people

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come in. I do think that
we are now on the cusp of the

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higher law of a right of revolution. I should add twenty five Republican governors

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have gone forward in the last forty
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You know, we had a couple
of discussions in the last several months,

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how could there be a civil war? Well, you know what,

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we're pretty doing close to it right
now. Last comment, Oh, come

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on, do you really think so? You really think we're close to a

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civil war? Well? Are you
high? Is that fedan nol brought across

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the border in your balveny? No, let me let me play out the

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practical workings like this I said before. I can see it either, but

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let me do it this way.
The left right now is saying, well,

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if Abbot persists, then what the
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Guard the way Eisenhower did in nineteen
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my response is, at that point
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and says, go arrest those federal
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governors twenty five Republican does Really we
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an eighty percent margin and polls that
Biden is wrong on the border. We

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could talk something about the right of
revolution and why and the declaration is important

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that it's the right of the people
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many governors do you really want to
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what Steve. I think. So, Steve, I think he went too

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quickly to implementation, like the pragmatics, like how would this actually work?

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No, but but I want to
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so you think you guys think?
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people who I take to be generally
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you think when the States entered the
Union, right they retained some kind of

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natural right of self defense that the
written Constitution could not regulate or narrow in

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the way that Article one, Section
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you get to the question this is
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explaining the objection. I'm the moderator. How Steve, how come you don't

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have a You've gotten on here?
So no way? So think the only

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thing I'm saying is we we you
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this an invasion? Is this imminent
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about that, because that already consists
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no. Before we get to Article
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terms mean. Do you think that
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state in this circumstance that goes beyond
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a right of self defense in the
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see mean the Tenth Amendment guarantees in
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the people of Texas right, not
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in in the tenth Amendment specifically says
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the people. And one has to
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at what level they want to exercise
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Amendment. So then why why why
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on constitutional Do we really want to
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you're making, but the right to
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government. No, they did not. They made the argument that consistent with

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the Constitution, there was a right
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was, okay, fine, if
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to exercise your right to revolution,
you can do so. That can that's

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an inalienable right. But that is
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to sort of confuse the issue of
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what he said was the states did
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create the Constitution. They were basically
administrative entities for ratifying it. The people.

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The Constitution was ratified by the people. But the people can as part

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of their state if their safety is
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us that they are in such imminent
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You want to say that because this
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the water to the point where well, because there was a problem forty years

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ago with Steve Steve's Banfield quote,
and it illegal immigration has always been a

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problem that somehow the most illegal entries
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week, by month have occurred under
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the city of Chicago is housing thirty
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illegal aliens in the city of Chicago. That's the size of the town.

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I grew up in thirty thousand people
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What Texas goes through because of this, It's much worse in Texas than it

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is where I am. But I
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imminent danger. As will not admit
of delay, even some stupid Supreme Court

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opinion that says, yeah, the
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the Carcentina wire. I would be
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That's not what the constitution says.
The constitution says a state can do what's

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necessary, engage in war. Engage
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not will admit of delay. I
there's anything about it had to happen all

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of a sudden. Well, this
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No eminent means. It's it's happening. It's right there now. But it's

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gotten so much worse. John,
It's that okay. So it wasn't as

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much of a problem when Bush was
excuse me, when Trump was president,

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because he had, you know,
he enforced policies that that that idiot Biden

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immediately overturned. He enforced policies in
a way that essentially slowed down, seriously

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slowed down in legal immigration. That's
not the situation we're in. It's woman

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in danger. I honestly think imminent
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Putting it also in the eighteenth century
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across the border Washington did, and
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months, and then it would take
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So I think there's a difference I
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of unforeseen event and a social problem
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getting worse, but it's not imminent
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or could prepare for it. The
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that definition of imminent. Where do
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this. I was actually let me, let me look to my unhorn.

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But before all this immigration stuff,
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legal scholarship to write about this provision. Although I was curious about what because

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you know, I write about the
declare war clause, so obviously this is

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a little different. It actually admits
that you don't need to have a right

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declaration of war in these circumstances.
So I was curious what an imminent danger

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or actual invasion was. But my
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here and Governor Abbis's claim is not
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that Biden is allowing this problem.
It's not like this danger erupted exogynously or

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outside our system. It's that Biden
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fully in the way that Abbot would
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danger is coming from Washington, d
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Well, if you Steve Well,
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wanted to ring Washington, d C. With Concertina wire, I would probably

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approve of that idea. But here's
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They already have the consent of Congress
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They already have that permission. Now
I heard josh can which can be

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federalized by the federal government, Biden
taken away from Texas. Essentially, that's

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that, but that's lost. Yes, But as it stands, they have

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the consent of Congress to have a
national guard to respond to emergencies in their

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state. Uh So, I don't
see any problem with uh Abbott sending the

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national Guard to protect the border.
I see no problem with that. I

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see no problem with doing what they
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you this. Then, Okay,
go ahead, I mean, go ahead.

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But the idea that this is not
a danger. What I was going

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to tell you was Josh Holly today
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the Senate. It probably won't pass, but he's going to introduce Maybe you

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never know if Steve's polls are right. The idea that as a matter of

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fact, Congress is going to give
its consent to the Texas National Guard,

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to the Arizona National Guard. Not
that our stupid excuse for a governor would

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do it, but to secure the
border. That would make it easy.

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No, that would be that would
make the problem go away, because,

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as you say, it says,
without the consent of Congress, if you

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have the consent of Congresses, you're
putting in stipulations that aren't in the constitutional

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provision. They are really interested troops. No, I know, but it's

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not a question of keeping the troops. Is a question of whether you can

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use them to engage in war.
Is it engaging in war if you put

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up wire? Yeah, I mean
border you're using the military to put up

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wire. And then you're also talking
about using the military to balk federal officers

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from wait an order. You know, when we have these natural disasters or

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you know, the hurricane Katrina,
and we send the military to help the

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sandbags, that's not engaging in war. I agree, that's actually that's the

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legitimate use of the state of its
ahead. Wait a minute, I mean

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you engage in but they're not engaging
in war. They don't need congressional permission

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to do disaster relief. Let's see
that if they wanted to shoot Canadians or

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Mexicans, that would be engaging in
war. Yeah, let's let's leave aside.

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I'm okay with that requiring consented but
not putting up Carzantina wire or buoys

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or standing at the border and turning
people back. That's not, in my

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opinion, engaging. Let me let
me but let me ask, let me

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ask you both, and let me
ask Steve this. Then this is what

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the Bide administration is saying in court, and they are going to continue to

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say this politically too, is you
know, the states can't do this in

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opposition to the federal government. That's
so you could read this provision as something

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terrible happens, That's like the notion
of self defense. Something terrible happens to

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you, you have to act immediately
to preserve yourself self preservation. But the

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federal government sayings, but this is
different. We have a border patrol,

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we have agents there, we have
facilities there. We are telling the states

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to stop, and you are defying
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control, foreign affairs, national security, on the border. So it's a

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little different than I think. This
imminent danger has arisen, a state must

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respond. Federal governments not able to
get there in time. How can you

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justify doing this against the commands of
the federal government not in the absence of

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any action from Washington. Does that
mean that there has to be some states,

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right, commands of Congress, maybe
the federal government. No, it

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doesn't say it says it has to
have the consent of Congress. It doesn't

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say it has to have the consent
of the Executive Department. Difference, and

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so if you read, if you
read the the arguments that the that the

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Bidmentstry is making. Congress has passed
a law that says border agents, the

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federal government Department Homeless is allowed to
have free and unfettered access to the border,

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notwithstanding whither the land is owned by
state or even I was actually surprised.

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I hadn't realized this. Even private
parties, they are allowed to cross

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and no one is allowed to obstruct
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I say, let me be more
succinct than I was last at Steve.

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I think the clausey point to an
Article one, section ten about states can

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engage in war unless actually invaded or
in such imminent danger as will not admit

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of delay. That's not a legal
judgment, that's a political judgment at the

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end of the day. And even
if Congress doesn't speak, if the federal

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government says, hey, you can't
do that, that's our job, and

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then they don't do that job.
At that point we are in a revolutionary

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situation exactly is contemplated in the Right
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That's a radical thing to say.
I think is equally radical in the level

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of theory as saying, let's stand
on the border and another, the federal

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government's not to do that. The
states have the people acting through their agents

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and the state governments. And now
it looks like a majority of the state

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governments in the country is saying,
you're absolutely right, are absolutely right to

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do that. By the way,
I should add here, you know what's

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an imminent danger in the invasion and
so forth. It is a curious thing

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to me that you're you know,
Governor Rabbit, and well mostly Governor Rabbit

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had the wit to send, you
know, a few tens of thousands of

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migrants to New York and Chicago and
a few other places, and all,

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who's, oh my god, we
can't handle all this, but El Paso

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can There's something wrong with this picture? And if you know, if the

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courts can't, you know, this
is actually I'm actually kind of thinking this

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is analogous in a reverse way with
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He lost the political argument, who
won the battle? As we all

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know, right, the Court changed
and reversed its course and started saying,

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hey, I guess you can.
I think the courts here if they if

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the courts do not slap down the
Biden administration, I fear you we're going

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to have some very bad things happen
there. First of all, there I

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don't think that the I think Texas
is going to lose this case. They

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might have a lausible case about getting
Arizona overturned, although that's not going to

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happen immediately. That would have to
happen in the normal course, which could

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take a year or two. But
here I want to go back to say

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you said, Steve, because I
don't want you to get a get away

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with your radicalism. I want you
to get full credit for it. So

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when you say that this is evoking
a state's right of revolution, the people

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actually people's right of revolution. So
what does that mean? What do you

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mean by that? Exactly? So
you mean that the people who are in

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Texas or the people outside of Texas
who are supporting Texas, have the right

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to refuse to obey federal law or
the commands of the federal government. And

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they're not doing it because they're saying
you're wrong about the constitution. They're saying

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we have the right to overturn the
constitutional order on this point. To say

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that that's the constitutions, that's the
right of revolution. Yeah, the Constitution

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is supposed to protect the purposes outlined
in the declaration, but sorry, infinites

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sent the right of revolution means that
the people have the right to vindicate the

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ends for which the constitution is written. Uh. And that's why I go

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back to the article one said,
there's political judgement, not legal judgment.

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They are political judgments about what those
phrases of military force, imminent danger,

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and so forth mean. It's an
interesting thing, you know. I was

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just talking about this, not the
immigration cases, but I was talking about

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this interesting turn in the Declaration of
Independence paragraph too. We talk about the

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individual rights of natural rights of life, liberty, and property, and that

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these are the ends for which governments
are instituted. And then you go on

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and that's the right of the people, not individuals the people. That's always

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a problem with you know, this
is why Edmund Burke didn't like things like

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the Declaration, Right, it's too
abstract. I think we see here a

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con create example of when the government
is failing in its job to protect the

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ends for which governments are instituted.
That's my point. And so this does

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this can be a view, this
can be a view held by a minority

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of the people in the United States, and I think it's held by an

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overwhelming majority of the people. So
this is so, this is the this

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is what Biden was saying, and
this is why I was that. Yeah,

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no, this is why I was. That's why I did raise a

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civil war because I think Brighten would
make the argument that Lincoln made about elections.

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He could say, we had an
election in twenty twenty. I was

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clear what my policies about the border
were going to be, and he was,

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and he'said, you know, there
was a huge difference between Trump.

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Yeah, he was. I thought
they were pretty clear. They were going

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to restore DACA and DAPPA, they
were going to end all the Trump immigration

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restrictions. I mean, there was
a he didn't say. He didn't say

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he was going to stop all deportations, which is all of the first things

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he did. But they haven't stopped
all deportations. Well it was a six

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month moratorium. That was his opening
day. But what say the word no?

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But Biden is going to say,
we had an election, and we

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had a midterm election, and our
policies were clear. The voters made a

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choice, and the voters made their
choice, and so the majority, he

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can say, the majority of the
United States and two elections, has you

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know returned this you know has returned
this administration to office. Are you not

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allowing a minority, maybe a majority
of the people in Texas, perhaps by

436
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a minority, to say we do
not want to respect the will of the

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national electorate and those two elections on
a matter of policy. That's what Lincoln

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said. That's one of the problems
with secession. God, you are stubborn.

439
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We're gonna have to revoke your Claremont
card. Oh you can have it,

440
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you can, I really do.
Why is that? Why is that

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different? What would you say in
response to Biden? It's a very much

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more complicated argument. And I don't
think we need to go there. When

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you say imminent, you're acting like
it happened all of a sudden, And

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that's the only definition of imminent.
That is not the definition of imminent.

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And it's certainly not the definition of
imminent. What is the what is it?

446
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Definitely? Danger? Threatening, menacing, perilous? It says imminent danger,

447
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So imin cannot be dangerous because that
would be dangerous danger. Imminent is

448
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a temporal concept, right, I
mean, but it happened all of a

449
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sudden, It means that the evil
from it is imminent. That's what it

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means, the evil. And so
you can have a little bit of illegal

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immigration and it has no widespread effects
on society, the fentanyl, c all

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that sort of thing. You can
have a little bit more and then a

453
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little bit more. But at some
point the massive illegal immigration that is overwhelming

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municipalities, that is bringing in terrorists, that's bringing in cartels and all of

455
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that. At some point the danger
from the policy is so great it threatens

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imminently to destroy the country. That's
what people are worried about, John.

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They're not worried about this person or
that person crossing the border. They're worried

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about the fact that it's hundreds of
thousands of people who are not vetted,

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who who are treated better than citizens. You know, you've you've paid attention.

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I hope to this whole business in
the airports where if I go and

461
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I forget my extra special ID,
government approved ID, I can't get on

462
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an airplane and I have to stand
in a line. I actually don't I

463
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have TSA, but they put they
put illegal immigrants with no IDs. They

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come with these little packages. I've
seen it in the airport and they put

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them right through the airport and on
the airplane, they escort them onto the

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plane. Why the hell does that
happened? What the hell kind of country

467
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do we live in? I read
a story today where they kicked out special

468
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needs children in a community to house
illegal immigrants in their school. What the

469
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hell are we allowing this corrupt excuse, for pedophile excuse to go ahead and

470
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try to force this whole change.
Appreciate it. This is why I think,

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this is why we have elections rather
than I don't think. I don't

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think that that justifies states using military
force to interpose the federal government. Who's

473
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it hurt? I mean, if
you're going to have the Texas Rangers come

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in and try to stop official,
why are hurting? Can I answer the

475
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:57.840
question that you're posing or you're just
going to answer it for me? Who

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is it hurting? Though? The
answer is there are federal officials who want

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to get to the border and they
cannot get This is what the government's claiming

478
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and papers before the Supreme Court.
I do not think they're lying. They

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are saying that Department of Homelands.
If they're lying, then they can be

480
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.719
disbarred and actually punished for lying to
the court. It's a felony. So

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these are federal officials who are paying
for the Supreme Court, and they're saying,

482
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the DHS officials want to get to
the border and they cannot because there's

483
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Concertina wire. Now, you disagree
with what they do when they get there.

484
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Can I say you disagree with them
when they get to the border,

485
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But federal law says they are to
have un option, they have unfettered access

486
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to the border, right, And
then you disagree with the policy that's being

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pursued by the bid administration. I
disagree with it too. I don't think

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they should just say we're bringing these
people across the border and then we're going

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to quote unquote process them. But
that's a disagreement about the policy that the

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federal goverment's engaging in. Now.
I don't want to see them like I'm

491
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.800
cheating and bringing the debate to an
early clothes because we're just going to take

492
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a short break. Well wait for
a yes, we are going to take

493
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.119
a short break for a sponsor,
and then after the sponsor comes, we

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00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:13.079
come back. Steve, you get
the first comment, then we come back.

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All right, Well, the joke
is on John, because we're going

496
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.760
to actually do this episode ad free, because there were no good places to

497
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.199
break to put in the ads up
to this point in the show, and

498
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:28.159
we're already running long. So in
place of an outside ad, everyone go

499
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out and buy John's led us book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Supreme

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Court, and we'll just leave it
there and be back next week with McDonald's

501
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:40.400
and all the other national ads,
the John Prizes. Okay, now we're

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back, Steve, go ahead.
Look, so you know, I'm thinking,

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John, we're not going to reach
consensus on this. We're gonna LUCRETI

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not gonna mark you down as undecided. I'll just mention the last comment.

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And I don't want to play this
out, but there is a certain hypocrisy

506
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.440
here, not on your part,
because I think you agree with us on

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this point, and let's celebrate that
if we can. We've had for twenty

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years now all these liberal sanctuary cities
not just making a virtue signaling declaration,

509
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but declaring in many cases we're ordering
local and state law enforcement not to cooperate

510
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with the federal government. And in
California as a whole, is a sanctuary

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state right, and it seems status
and so that the liberals are now saying

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Texas can't do this is federal law. I think this is such rank hypocrisy

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that's really quite disgusting and revolting.
Oh that's you know, I can go

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on for a while. That and
lots of other things. By the way,

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I'll bet this is not over.
I mean, the Supreme Court is

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still going to hear a complete or
Appeals court maybe Supreme Court with your complete

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case. We'll see what happens the
next twenty four forty eight hours, and

518
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you know, to be continued.
I think that's why I was hoping to

519
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make that clear when I was introducing
this topic, although I did want us

520
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to get into the deep issues.
Is that I think a lot of people

521
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reading too much into the Supreme Court
just saying allow the case to come up

522
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through the lower courts and we'll hear
it in the normal course, which is

523
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basically what they did with the Trump
immunity claims too. So it's you know,

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you have to show extraordinary circumstances for
the Supreme Court to say we're going

525
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to reach all the way down short
circuit all the lower work deliberations and pull

526
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the case up immediately. So they
just said we're not going to do that.

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So my only point is you can't
prognosticate on how the court will eventually

528
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come out on this Arizona versus the
US issue about whether immigration is solely federal

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or whether it's joint federal and state
policy. I agree with you about all

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of that, John, My question
and it really kind of is a question,

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although it contains within it some real
disapproval. You didn't have to say

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that ahead, and the side of
you you could just do it. I

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00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:55.039
should just do it more or less
a procedural. They overturned the injunction that

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had been put in place by the
Fifth Circuit. They offered no explanation for

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it. Often you get, you
know, the Fifth Circuit itself said that

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we believe there's a very strong likelihood
that the actions of Texas will be upheld,

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and that's why we are issuing this
injunction against the border patrol, the

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federal border patrol cutting the Carcentina wire. What I don't understand. I understand

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that this isn't the long reaching decision
or anything like that. It's not overturning

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00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.960
Arizona versus United States or that other
eighteen whatever, decision eighteen seventy something.

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I get all that, but what
on earth would have ever possessed somebody like

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I get Roberts because he's just awful, but somebody like Amy Care I can't

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even have seen certain I know her
name. I just was trying not to

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say all the horrible words that people
have used about her lately. What would

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possess somebody to think that it made
sense to do that, it made sense

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to overturn the injunction instead of just
leave the injunction in place until this case

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was decided. What harm would have
been done? That's what I was trying

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to ask you. I mean,
you can't tell me it's because the law

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has to be executed, because they
are not executing any of the other laws,

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and the stupid Supreme Court has to
know that. Why would they make

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I get the decision is temporary.
I get the decision is not far reaching,

552
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but it was still a horrible decision. There would have been nothing against

553
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technical This is a technical legal thing, actually, so, and that's what

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I think. Want to know.
Yeah, The unusual thing about this is

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that this case actually started not with
the Biden administration suing Texas, which would

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have been the normal way to bring
this up. Texas acted I think prematurely,

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and sued the federal government and then
I mean made up a claim which

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I think is not going to work
in the end. They said, we

559
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are suing the federal government for a
torque for an injury because you have misused

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state property. That's their claim.
I think that's a big mistake. I

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think if what Texas should have done
is kept doing what they were doing putting

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up the concert Teina wire. Even
people have suggested to the point of every

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time the federal garment cuts it away, replace it and force the Biden administration

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to suit Texas. But because Texas
sued first, I think this is probably

565
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what Amy Cony Barrett thinks is the
status quo before the judicial process got involved,

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was Texas was laying the wire and
the border patrol were coming up and

567
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cutting it back. There's photos and
video of this going on. So Amy

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coming Barr apparently is a critic of
the court using its emergency docket, you

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know, these emergency appeals as a
way of really deciding important questions. If

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she believes that, then it's somewhat
makes sense to say, if we remove

571
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all federal judicial involvement. Then the
status quo anti was States put up the

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wire, and then the Border Patrol
cuts it away, so they were just

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getting all of the injunctions out.
Now I agree, I'm not clear.

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I mean, I could see it
the other way easily, because you could

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have left it in place. And
the Fifth Circuit's going to hear an emergency

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pill. Ironically, they're hearing it
the day before the Trump qualadi Colorado disqualification

577
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case at the Supreme Court February seventh. They're hearing it and the Trump cases

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on February eighth, so we'll have
to have a double header episode of the

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Three Whiskey Happy Hour on February ninth. But I agree with you. The

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Supreme Court could have left the injunction
in place and said we're going to have

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this come up pretty quickly. Anyway, you have four descents, interestingly,

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which is unusual for this kind of
procedure, which is essentially guarantees that the

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Supreme Court will take the case next, because that's all you only need four

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votes to grant. Sir, you
and I had a lovely, lovely walk

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one evening on our way to dinner, and we discussed this idea that certain

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justices. I hope that you just
put me on the FBI watch list.

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By the way, Oh I know, no, No, I think it'd

588
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be okay. I actually will to
give your conclusion. But you were explaining

589
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to me, not that I didn't
know this, but you were explaining to

590
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:30.599
me that there are some justices who
believe that they sort of have to play

591
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:37.519
this balancing act, especially conservative justices
or you know, ostensibly conservative justices,

592
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moderate justices. Let's just say that
where if they're going to decide a political

593
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:50.679
controversy as a judicial a judicial controversy
that's got very serious political implications, they'll

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decide this way for the right,
and the next one they'll decide for the

595
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left as a kind of balance.
That was what you explained to me.

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Are you worried in any way,
shape or form that's these two cases are

597
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going to be heard, the two
of the biggest political controversies that have now

598
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:13.360
become judicial controversies. And like Steve's
going to tell us his favorite quote about

599
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:19.079
it, I know he will that
that you know this you talked today on

600
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when I heard you on Neil Cavudo
about you know, I think Neil asked

601
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.920
you a question about the does the
Supreme Court really want to be involved in

602
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:30.679
these kinds of political controversies. We
know they really don't for a variety of

603
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.480
very good reasons. But thinking about
the fact that immigration is the number one

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political controversy that has people more riled
up than anything else, and second to

605
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.719
that, of course, is Trump
and whether or not Trump is eligible for

606
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.119
the ballot and et cetera, et
cetera. And the Supreme Court's going to

607
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.199
hear cases day one, day two, hear oral arguments. Day I'm sorry,

608
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.440
February seventh is when the Fifth Circuit
is going to hear the case.

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The Supreme Court is not going to
hear feb So they would probably hear in

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April if they were going to take
the case. So, but it doesn't

611
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:07.400
detract from your point, which is, you know, you think about this

612
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.000
year. They're going to hear the
disqualification case, They're going to get the

613
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:17.159
Trump immunity case. They've got Lucretia's
favorite case, the January sixth charges Oh

614
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:22.920
yeah, officians, and then they've
got the Chevron case, and they've got

615
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:27.719
is the sixteenth is the wealth tax
constitutional case, And then they've got this

616
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:34.360
potential case about is immigration still exclusively
federal or should the court overturn Arizona?

617
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:39.000
Given how you know, Scalia's theory
seemed to be on the rise of the

618
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.280
court these days. Scalia dissented in
Arizona. He had the view you did.

619
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:49.199
He thought that he said before,
through most of American history, states

620
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.880
were the ones who enforced immigration law, and that the major question was does

621
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.400
the federal government have any role in
enforcing immigration law? And so he would

622
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.000
have here he voted, he sent
did in Arizona. Essentially, he thought

623
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:05.599
the court was wrong. He thought
that states could, you know, enforce

624
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:10.639
immigration. He thought that states had
sovereignty over their own territory and so they

625
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:16.199
could control who's allowed to enter and
leave. So I could see this court

626
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:21.559
overturning Arizona. You know, it
was a close case at the time,

627
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.320
and the court has only become more
conservative. But I could also see this

628
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:30.559
court saying, let's do that after
the election, right play. If they're

629
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.719
you know, want to stay out
of politics, what they would do is

630
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:38.960
say, why should we the federal
courts get involved. Let let the federal

631
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.760
let bidens still continue to screw it
up, and there'll be an election.

632
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.920
This November, and the people can
decide and they can kick Biden out,

633
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:50.079
and then this problem will go away, because then you'll have a new the

634
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:55.280
Circuit or just decide in favor of
Texas, which it has which well,

635
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.519
no, I mean it did.
That's a preliminary matter. As a preliminary

636
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:04.360
matter, it said it was likely
to Texas was likely to. But that's

637
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.519
not a guarantee for sure. Is
it possible that as long as there's not

638
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:15.079
a different circuit court case that that
goes in the opposite direction. This is

639
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.599
really interesting. There's a great that's
a great question to suppose the Supreme suppose

640
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:25.079
a fifth Circuit finds for Texas.
Then we know there are four votes on

641
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.000
the Court that appear to agree with
Texas. So the question would be,

642
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.159
are there actually four votes on the
court to take the case? And you

643
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.119
could you know, if you're Chief
Justice Roberts, maybe you don't want to

644
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.840
take this case right now. So
they could end up denying it, and

645
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.360
then, right, Texas can keep
putting up the wire and the federal government

646
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.199
can keep cutting it away, and
then the federal government of the States could

647
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:52.440
keep putting it back. And now
there's another case that's looming behind this one,

648
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:57.400
which is I think it's a Texas
Senate bill. I think eight maybe,

649
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:01.599
But Texas passed the bill which is
based an effort to duplicate the Arizona

650
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:07.639
case. So they've passed a bill
that is similar to the Arizona bill that

651
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.440
was struck down by the court.
They are trying to get the court to

652
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.360
reverse Arizona. So that's kind of
come after. No matter what happens with

653
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:17.840
this, there's the federal government has
suit to stop enforcement of this Texas law,

654
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.800
which allows Texas officials to ask are
you here in the country legally to

655
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.320
detain people who are here illegally.
So it's like, I don't think the

656
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.719
course can be able to get out
of it, but they might want to

657
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.840
be able to punt up past the
election. So John, if I'm John

658
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:42.760
and not a crazy ranting Lucretia,
I think that the crazy ranting Lucretia worrying

659
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:50.360
about what would be If I'm John, I actually think that the moderate course

660
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.920
here, and the course that makes
the most sense for the health of the

661
00:51:54.039 --> 00:52:00.119
Republic on all fronts, is to
side with Texas. Again, That's why

662
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:05.559
I can sort of keep asking you
what harm is done, whereas if if

663
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.760
the Biden administration can continue to do
what it's doing, You're seeing more and

664
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:14.239
more people talking about civil war,
talking about revolution. There's going to be

665
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:20.480
a major what would you call it, rally days long rally, calling every

666
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:27.719
MAGA person, calling every this and
that that supposed to form down at the

667
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.280
border, you know, the entire
length. So I think this is well,

668
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:34.320
this is Steve's point. I think
that Steve should correct me if I'm

669
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:39.239
I'm misrepresenting him. But I think
I do think immigration is primarily a national

670
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:45.199
function, although the Constitution doesn't mention
it at all, But then the people

671
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:46.920
know, and this was a point
of some of the Supreme Court cases.

672
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.159
If everyone knows it's a national function, then they can hold the national government

673
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.519
responsible for it. And I think
the polls show Biden's getting killed in the

674
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.880
polling on immigration. It's one of
the two, right that and inflation or

675
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.559
killing his administration. He's terribly low, you know, right popular approval ratings,

676
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:07.159
and I got to think immigration is
one of the major reasons for that.

677
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:12.599
And then they can hold him accountable
and the Congress in November. Isn't

678
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:16.760
that a better outcome than states?
Sort of popping up with resistance or approval

679
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:25.079
about immigration only if you assume that
the damage that will be done between January

680
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:30.400
and November is inconsequential. John,
that's the problem. I mean, this

681
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:36.079
is me going against Lincoln, who
said, don't you know you don't have

682
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.199
to worry. Even the worst kinds
of presidents are gone after four years.

683
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.960
Right, that was Lincoln. So
you're talking to the South. You know,

684
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.239
this isn't the end of the world. Nothing's going to happen. It's

685
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.119
going to destroy you in the short
space of my term. I actually think

686
00:53:53.360 --> 00:54:00.880
I maybe I'm crazy, Maybe I'm
crazy on this point, but I see

687
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:06.199
I see the devastation and the damage, and I don't know if we last

688
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:14.039
until November with the Biden administration's lack
of enforcement of policy that's like this,

689
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:20.159
This is this. Here's something that's
completely crazy, which is Steve's opinion about

690
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.639
movies. No, No, let's
save that for another time. I thought

691
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:31.039
we wanted to do see I'm sure
instead, okay, here, right,

692
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:36.840
I don't know, Okay, okay, for something even crazier than Steve's movie

693
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.840
reviews, which we were going to
include this episode. I'm sorry, fans,

694
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:44.159
We're gonna have to wait till next
week to hear Steve where Steve plays

695
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.039
both Siskel and Ebert, So we're
gonna have to get to that later.

696
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.360
We still have one big piece of
news to talk about. But also has

697
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.119
I think again, like this Texas
issue, very you know, much deeper

698
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.400
issues evolved, which is what do
you guys make about the New Hampshire elections?

699
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:07.760
What do you guys make about DeSantis
dropping out beforehand? What do you

700
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:13.440
guys make about Haley only losing by
ten points roughly when Poles had her losing

701
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:19.039
by over twenty and Haley refusing to
get out of the race. What do

702
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:24.159
you guys make of Donald Trump's I
thought ungracious, you know, bizarre,

703
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:30.559
even a victory speech where it was
mostly a rant against Dicky Haley rather than

704
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:35.960
you know, I think enjoying his
you know, his you know, quite

705
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:40.320
large New Hampshire victory. What do
you think about what this means for the

706
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:44.360
race? Is it now as the
primary over and the general election? On

707
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.719
Steve, oh, I want Lucretia
go first, because I know we're going

708
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:52.000
to disagree on this, I think, okay, but Lucretia go ahead.

709
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.239
So punting just a little bit on
your question. And I want to point

710
00:55:54.239 --> 00:56:02.599
out to you guys that every time
I say something derogatory about some squishy moderate

711
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:08.760
Rhino Republican, like, uh,
what's his name, who's the guy who's

712
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:15.960
now on Fox, Paul Ryan,
Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Nicky Haley,

713
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:21.159
whenever I say something, really you
know that they're despicable, that they're

714
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.960
this, and they're that. You
guys are like, no, no,

715
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:28.159
why would you say that. Oh, I think she's okay because and it

716
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.760
turns out we now know what a
despicable excuse for a human being. Paul

717
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:39.760
Ryan and Mitch McConnell are Nicky Haley
is, of course courting Democratic vote.

718
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:45.519
That's why the polls. Ah,
h walking into my trap. Lacretia good,

719
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:52.239
keep going, And uh, she's
you know, she's she's being funded

720
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:55.719
by every left wing donor out there. I think she's a bit of a

721
00:56:55.880 --> 00:57:00.280
patsy in some ways. I also
think he's just not solid. I mean,

722
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.880
if if I were running for president, I wouldn't take money from the

723
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:10.079
people she's taking money from. I
just wouldn't do it. But anyway,

724
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.480
you know, she's going to stay
in the race. Why shouldn't she These

725
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:20.360
people want to make sure that the
primary season for Trump lasts as long as

726
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:25.159
possible, so he keeps training his
ire on Nicky Haley instead of Joe Biden

727
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:31.679
political consultants who get paid by all
of that money that's being shoveled into her

728
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:37.199
campaign by the globalists and the rhinos
and so on. They're going to tell

729
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.159
her to keep going in it because
if they don't what, they're out of

730
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:43.719
a job. So there you go. That's that's my answer. But I

731
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:49.000
do want you guys to I want
you to confess that every time I say

732
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.920
something about a rhino and you guys
are shocked, I turn out to be

733
00:57:52.119 --> 00:58:01.280
absolutely right, well long before they're
desp you know, I mean, okay,

734
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:06.960
uh three three points three points one
is observation in the general scene.

735
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.239
Point two is the genius of Trump, and point three is the genius of

736
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:14.719
Nikki Haley. And I do this
to annoy Lucretia. First of all,

737
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:19.119
if you'd said six months ago that
at the beginning of the votes being counted,

738
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.320
everybody would be out of the field
except for Nikki Haley, who would

739
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:28.079
have believed that this this is the
kind remarkable I think and I'm not going

740
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.079
to do with ni Haley. Okay, I'm gonna say, let's leave that

741
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:34.840
aside. I'm not that's I'm not
convinced to that, but it is still

742
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:37.880
it is kind of you would have
thought it was. You would have thought

743
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.800
the early money was on DeSantis exactly
right, Okay, point number So why

744
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:46.199
what what happened to the guy?
Well, I support of rhinos and lefties?

745
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:50.480
Well, let me leave the whole
defense standard thing. Guy. Okay,

746
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.079
So we'll hear that. We'll hear
that next. We'll have so you

747
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.559
know, after the Iowa result,
Trump, if you saw a speech,

748
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:01.360
was very magnanimous. You know,
Nicky Hayley and Ron they ran great campaigns.

749
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:06.199
And by the way, you know, Niggi Haley was fairly careful and

750
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.639
restrained and not attacking Trump very much
during a run up before Iowa, and

751
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.039
then she took the gloves off right
now, by the way, So people

752
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:17.480
thought the other day that first the
genius of Donald Trump. Everyone thought that

753
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.679
he made a gaff when he or
you know, he's sena when he said

754
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:27.360
Niggi botched the capital security on January
sixth, and people are like, oh,

755
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.079
that was Nancy Pelosi was in charge
of security, and every thought that

756
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:34.400
shows that Trump is cenw No,
I think it's Trump's old genius showing up.

757
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.960
What do you do by saying that, I think it was a deliberate

758
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.400
mistake quote unquote mistake. I think, uh. I think what he did

759
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.199
was, first he links Haley and
Nancy Pelosi in people's mind. That's very

760
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:50.239
clever. Second, he made the
media and Nancy Pelosi come along and say,

761
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.639
oh, actually I was in charge
of security to the capital, which

762
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:59.599
point for part three or point C
that reinforces in a subtle way for the

763
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.159
people think there's something wrong with January
sixth, right that And you know we've

764
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.360
talked about that at a long point. So I actually thought that was another

765
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:13.079
one of Trump's very genius rhetorical news
that people are totally misinterpreting, and he's

766
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:14.960
really good at that. And I
have a whole lot of examples of that.

767
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:16.320
Let me do points and I add
one more to that, Steve,

768
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:22.320
without demailing your whole conversation, and
that is that, of course, the

769
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:28.079
left immediately jumps on that to say
he's senile because they want to draw attention

770
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.320
away from the fact that the actual
that the president actually is senile and demented

771
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:37.719
and so on. Yeah. Right, But whenever they I mean honestly,

772
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:40.960
whenever they tried to defend that whole
thing, it just made them look like

773
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.559
idiots, and it made it highlighted
the fact that yes, in fact,

774
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:52.840
Biden is a decrepit, senile,
demented pedophile. There you go. Yeah,

775
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:54.800
I have to get that out every
time. Sure. But now the

776
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:58.920
third thing is the genius of Hayley. This is why I think, forget

777
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.119
what you think about lucre to share
her ideology and all the rest of that.

778
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:07.159
I'm just thinking now, raw political
skill. So you know, Trump

779
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:12.679
had been very magnanimous after Iowa,
and you know Haley ran probably I actually

780
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.880
thought Trump might romp in New Hampshire
to sixty five percent. Oh, it

781
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.480
is being said at some point,
it's being said that I thought Lucrease she

782
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:22.639
were going to say this, you
kind of did. Seventy percent of her

783
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:27.119
vote was independence or crossover Democrats.
And I just like to point out to

784
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:30.719
people that, Okay, but I
remember nineteen seventy six and nineteen eighty where

785
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:36.760
some of Ronald Reagan's strongest states like
Illinois and Michigan and a few others is

786
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:40.199
where independence and Democrats crossover and vote
for him. Actually, Illinois was the

787
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:45.119
turning point in nineteen seventy six against
Gerald Ford because it showed his ability to

788
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:51.039
draw Democrats and crossover voters. And
Trump does something like that also. But

789
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.000
this case, Haley did Okay,
okay, wait, wait, wait before

790
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:57.480
I go on to the next no, no, no, no, what

791
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.639
I want to get Well, you're
going to test me about Reagan. No,

792
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:04.599
I'm gonna haven't finished about Haley.
I mean yeah, I'm gonna contest

793
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:08.559
you about that whole Jesus sorry,
I can test you about that whole thing

794
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:16.079
that somehow this is her appeal to
independence and Democrats. They had a bunch

795
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.239
of all of the above who said
I wouldn't vote for Nicki Haley in a

796
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.400
million years. I know, I
just wanted to. I just wanted to

797
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.119
twist your tail to get exactly that
response. And then you were gonna let

798
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:30.559
me say anything. Well you know
how that always worked, Steve, Are

799
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:34.840
you finished? No? I'm not. The last point is this? So

800
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.519
Trump was magnanimous after Iowa to resume
my narrative that kept getting rudely interrupted,

801
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:44.760
and then Nicki Hanley came out and
attacked Trump in a way she's never done

802
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:49.079
before in that dress. It is
true that she wore a dress that was

803
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:51.840
like what's in trust got to do
with? I knew Trump was obsessed with

804
01:02:51.960 --> 01:03:00.159
it. Here's the point. She
she baited Trump in her speech and I'm

805
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.480
sure and he grabbed the bait and
said, you know, she wore that

806
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.519
dress. It's not even a good
dress, but I can you know whatever

807
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:08.599
he said. I thought it was
fine. I thought it was different from

808
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.320
her usual wardrobe. I'll bet I
can find pictures of Malaney or were in

809
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:14.760
the same dress that might even come
out, and a few did. She

810
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.800
baited him and got the worst of
Trump, the sort of indisciplined Trump who

811
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.519
can't resist the insult. If you
had the Trump you had in Iowa,

812
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.599
you know he would have won over
some people. Instead, he just can't

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help himself and he had to trash
her. And I think it's over Trump's

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nominee period, full stop. But
don't underestimate. Maybe he's got some political

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chops and that's why she's still here. Well, why she's still running then

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01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:45.119
if the race is over, Okay, I'll give you. Well why still

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stick in. This is just prolonging
the pain and wasting resources that could be

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used against Biden. My latest theory, Sorry I erupted lucretia. My latest

819
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:58.840
theory is everyone said the new No
label's ticket would be Mansion and Romney,

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who were both in their seventy What
if it's Nicky Hanley and Dean Phillips.

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Well, that would be a great
way to end her political career. Sure,

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but maybe why would you ever want
to be on a third party ticket

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given the history of the success of
third parties. You know, my think

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you could win? I don't know, well, save us from Steve's I

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01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:27.360
actually maybe i'd have some respect for
because she would definitely hand the election over

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01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:30.880
to Trump. Then Oh well,
I think that's uncertain, but it could

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01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:35.159
be. I don't know, I
don't There isn't a single person prepared to

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01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:39.159
vote for Trump right now who would
go for Nicky Haley. Oh no,

829
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:44.440
that's a true And after Trump gets
done with her in a few months of

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01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.519
a few weeks, nobody who was
even thinking about it. Would she'd get

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Democratic votes? That's it? But
but then again, the Democrats will come

832
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.840
out against You're strong. I really
can I ask you guys a question.

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01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.760
I know I'm not the host,
but I really am interested in this.

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Do you guys remember five six months
ago? I think it probably was where

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01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:10.639
we discussed what the DNC had done
in New Hampshire and we discussed changing the

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order of elections primaries and punished New
Hampshire by saying that the Biden wouldn't be

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on the ballot. And nobody's talking
about that. I mean, they spent

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01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:33.119
money, spent a considerable amount of
money to have a writing campaign for Biden

839
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:40.000
at the last minute, and nobody's
talking about that. Is it not worth

840
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.000
talking about? Or don't you find
the whole thing on just a little bit

841
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.880
strange? Yeah? Actually, Henry
Olsen has been talking about it. I

842
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:50.159
know you're not always a fan of
Henry, and he said he's a smart

843
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:54.199
guy. Yeah, and he knows
the numbers, and yeah, Biden,

844
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:59.679
when they finally count up all the
writing ballots, he may get about sixty

845
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:04.400
three And Henry argues, that's not
that impressive for an incumbent. That's not

846
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:09.440
Yeah, I mean how much how
did what did Linda Johnson get? Well,

847
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.960
he's got fifty but against the you
know, sort of well known person

848
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.480
in the fervor of the anti war
movement. George H. W. Bush

849
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.880
in nineteen ninety two, I think
was held like fifty five percent against Pat

850
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.800
Buchanan and that sucked his campaign in
a lot of ways. Right, It's

851
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:30.719
what got Ross Perot in. So
we're we're all those stalwart democratic, you

852
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:36.880
know, stubborn New Hampshire Democrat saying
you know what we don't want. We

853
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.360
didn't want like the way you played
the game, so we're not going to

854
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.719
play your game. I don't understand
why they go in and spend money to

855
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:48.519
get a writing campaign when they said
we're not going to participate, and then

856
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:53.400
the whole thing just doesn't make sense
to me. Well, I think they

857
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.599
were I think they were called a
dilemma. They didn't you know, they

858
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.880
had a stupid idea, we got
to go South Carolina for a diversity reason.

859
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.480
But then somebody said, you know, we might get humiliated and embarrassed

860
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.239
if Dean Phillips gets seventy percent of
the vote in New Hampshire, it would

861
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:09.199
be a big media story. That's
why they did it. Okay, that

862
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.039
makes sense. I'm just curious.
I didn't have a theory. I just

863
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.800
wondered why nobody was really making much
of it. Instead, it was all

864
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:21.400
about how many Democratic and independent voters
changed their party registration so they could vote

865
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:28.119
for NICKI Hay Ricky. Well,
guys, I think that we are well

866
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:33.760
over time. Oh my god.
We ever call this to close, we

867
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:42.880
are going to have to defer to
next week. I think both Steve's movie

868
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:48.679
reviews he has some hidden or new
Oscar picks. You know how engaged Steve

869
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:56.960
is with Hollywood big shots. And
also by next Friday we will have by

870
01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:02.559
then the Supreme Court briefs in the
Trump case, and we will see.

871
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:09.480
In fact, one interesting thing is
whether the Biden administration will actually live up

872
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:15.000
to what President Biden's out there saying
and file on the side of Colorado against

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01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.960
Trump on the idea that he's an
insurrectionist or not. So that's at least

874
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.239
something we're going to have for next
week. Yeah. So I have to

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01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.680
say, in all this excitement,
I have no commalism. All I have

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01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:32.920
is even need one at this point. I know there's it's like it seems

877
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.720
like we should have actually replace him
with bidenisms. I think, oh yeah,

878
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:42.680
but all I have to do is
warm warn the American people that Kamala

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01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:50.680
Harris apparently is going on a abortion
tour of the country. I wasn't going

880
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:54.760
to say that, and this is
this is so weird. So you know,

881
01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:57.920
you got stories that are going to
appear in you know, major city

882
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:03.399
newspapers, like there's one in the
Bay Area today that says Kamala Harris bringing

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01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:09.319
abortion toward a San Jose. Just
really, are these really the headlines that

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01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:14.039
you want? Stee, I'm sorry, Lucretia, do you have a battle?

885
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:17.520
Guys are going to have to stop
me because there's just this afternoon,

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01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:23.319
there's so many good ones, so
let me start with and they're all perfectly

887
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:29.199
appropriate and relevant to our podcast.
So first is Ted Cruz grows out mutton

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01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:32.760
chops in preparation for civil war.
So you have to kind of see the

889
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:38.840
picture. John appreciate it. Laid
off La Times reporter sits on street corner

890
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:45.520
with sign reading We'll call you racist
for food, so true. Okay.

891
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:56.479
To bolster Steve's point, Nation celebrates
after both presidential candidates forget their running Biden

892
01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:02.000
Abbott to face off in wheelchair joust
to the death. Yes, I know.

893
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:09.119
Nikki Haley celebrates getting more votes in
GOP primary than any other Democrat in

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01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:16.319
history. All Right, all right, I saw one about ain'ty Cony Barrett

895
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:26.479
because she needs Tony ruling for open
borders has nothing to do with landscaping work

896
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:30.840
she needs done this summer. Either
way, I didn't have a commalism,

897
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.720
but I forgot to mention I did
have a little tidbit about Kamala. There's

898
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:42.119
a new book out apparently that claims
that doctor Joe Biden actually opposed Kamala Harris

899
01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:45.880
being as vice president, that she
actually wanted Gretchen Whitmer. And according to

900
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:50.880
this book, when uh, Joe
Biden told his wife that he had picked

901
01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:57.399
and Joe Biden still pissed at Kamala
Harris for attacking by Joe Biden for being

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01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:03.319
a racist during the primaries, and
when Joe Biden told his wife that he

903
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:08.079
had picked Kamala Harris, apparently,
according to this book, she really said,

904
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:13.439
go blank yourself. Oh yeah,
well, maybe she was just afraid

905
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:16.720
that they'd find about out about the
affair that she's having with Kamala's husband.

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01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:25.720
What you remember that before we before
we get sued for defamation, we're going

907
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:30.720
to app don't you remember this seat
of the Union address where where I forget

908
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.239
who walked I think Joe Biden walked
in and went up to Doug what's his

909
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:39.840
name, m Hoff, Doug m
Hoff and just kissed him right on the

910
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:44.279
lips with a lingering kiss. Its
weird, yeah, in front of us.

911
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.399
Maybe that's how you say hello in
Delaware. That's how you say hi

912
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:51.920
in Delaware, especially within families.
I take it first and second families.

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01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:58.239
Okay, sorry, time to go
go. Okay, so always drink your

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01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:01.680
whiskey. Meat, Let's go brand
and Steve God save the queen man,

915
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:10.359
because you know the thing. Okay, bye. Everybody was at the immigration

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01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:19.560
scene, shine and feeling could it
be a sin? I gotta stop by?

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01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:29.359
The immigration man said he don't know
what you can. Let me lead,

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01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:39.560
Immigration man. Can I crossed the
line and bray and stay another day?

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01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:48.439
And immigration man, I won't know
your line today. I can't see

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01:12:48.600 --> 01:13:03.399
it anyway. Ricochet joined the conversation.