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This is the art of wrestling with
professional wrestler called Cabana. All right,

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how you doing? Come on in, sit down, Relax, You're about

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Tonight your ways, the minds of souls,

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hearts and lives of people involved in
the world a professional wrestling. I

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am your host. My name is
Cold Cabana. I am a podcaster,

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I am an actor, I am
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slash Cold Cabana. I'm back with
two episodes for August. These all happened

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at the National Wrestling Hall of Fame
show that happens every single year in Waterloo,

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Iowa. We did a live show, which I will put on next

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week, but this week it was
important to me to have Joe Milenko on

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the show. Brother of Dean Milenko, Joe Milenko, son of the Great

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Milenko. Perfect timing as I head
to the gathering of the Juggalos this week.

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But Joe Milenko is his own person, and I met him last year

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at the National Wrestling Hall of Fame
and he was so nice, very personal,

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just like his brother, and I
knew I was coming to the show.

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I knew he was coming to the
show. Seems like a guy who

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wouldn't mind talking about the past of
wrestling. Seems to really love wrestling,

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has such a history in professional wrestling, and I don't think a lot of

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people ever kind of sit down and
ask his story. So here I am

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a throwback to the art of wrestlings
where I would grab the ones where we

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want to know their story and we
talk to them, and that is Joe

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Malenko. I was curious about his
path as a Malenko brother and of course

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of his father, so we get
into it. Very fun to sit back

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down and talk with wrestlers and Joe
as a pleasure. We will get to

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that, but I do want to
make an announcement. I am headed back

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to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival and if
you are in Scotland or near Scotland,

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August nineteenth to the twenty first,
we are just doing three days myself and

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John Hastings where we watch bad wrestling
and do comedy and commentary to it.

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Tiny urel dot com slash ed Fringe
Wrestling for tickets. They're just ten dollars.

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The fringe is a favorite activity of
mine for so many years now.

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I didn't think it was going to
happen, but luckily work is sending me

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to Germany, so I was able
to sneak in a little trip to Edinburgh

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and we are going to do some
fringe shows. As for me, this

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is usually the part where I described
my tales every single week. We haven't

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done an art of wrestling for a
couple of months. I haven't really wrestled

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for a couple of months. I
think last time I was like, I

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haven't really wrestled, but now starting
to get back into it a little bit.

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Opened the Ring of Honor Death before
Dishonor show Me and Anthony Henry.

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Anthony Henry a hell of a professional
wrestler. Hope he gets more of a

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shot him and j D. I
wrestled in Lowell, Massachusetts. I wrestled

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at this show with Joe Malenko in
Waterloo, Iowa, the show that I

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wrestled at every single year. I'm
gonna be wrestling at the Gathering of the

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Juggalos. I'm gonna be wrestling in
the Mall of America for first wrestling.

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I'm gonna be wrestling in Mesa,
Arizona. Trying to get back on some

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kind of wrestling schedule, but also
very very grateful that at my age forty

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two years old, I'm able to
slow down a little bit. I was

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given that time off through COVID and
then through a reshuffling of my professional contract,

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and it gives me an opportunity to
understand who I am as a person

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where I don't have to be so
super focused on professional wrestling. Gives me

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an opportunity to work more here on
the computer with my Twitch, trying to

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grow my Patreon, maybe trying to
grow some projects where I don't have to

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constantly travel all over the world every
single week. But then I remember that

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I'm going to be doing one PW
in Doncaster in October, I'm doing scott

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I'm doing the Edinburgh Fringe Festival,
I'm going to Germany. I got booked

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for Qatar. So as I'm grateful
for the slowing down, I don't know,

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it always seems to speed up.
But I will never complain because I

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do know that there are some people
who would love to have the opportunity to

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do what I have done and what
I am doing, and I will always

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be grateful. That's the point of
this podcast. That's the point of this

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listen. It's the point of having
someone like Joe Milenko on the show.

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We all have our stories, we
all have our rich history, and we're

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gonna get into it with Joe Milenko
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sack summer. You know, most
most Sunday mornings we'd have bagels and then

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there was a little uh delia CRUs
the street. So he go, he

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go get locks, he go get
herring. Good filter fish. Actually,

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my grandmother made good filter fish,
something best you ever had if you happen

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to like a filter fish. But
she's not here any longer, so you

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can't get My grandmother could fill to
fish anymonger, did you that's on the

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recipe? No? Would you have? Would you even make it anymore?

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You can't't even know where to start, right, I would just I just

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end up throwing a fish in a
blend or somewhere. Yeah. Do you

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cook? No? Right? Like? No, grand of course my grandma

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did. I don't. I don't
like I don't cook. Yeah, do

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we do? Us Jewish men not
take that on or um? I don't

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you know it's funny that you.
I do like to cook. I just

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don't take the time. So maybe
that's a wrestler's thing of pure laziness pretty

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much what you're you're on the road. I mean, the most we did

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in Japan as we grabbed the the
ramen soup canisters and put a little water

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in there and heat them up in
the room. But yeah, yeah,

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just short of that, you're eating
out all the time. Well, uh,

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okay, I appreciate you coming on
and talking to me. Have you

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done anything things like this before?
Once or twice? Once or twice?

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Yeah, So I think that's why
I think I'm curious. I think a

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lot of people are curious. I
guess there's like a couple of things I'm

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kind of interested in. Otherwise it's
just bullshitting. Um. I think you

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know I'm important. I'm interested in
like hearing kind of like your father's side

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or your father's story through your lens, and then obviously like getting you know,

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getting into wrestling and your wrestling aspect
and all that stuff. Yeah,

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it was my life. And before
we get going, I got to my

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dad's song was Bagel's Bagels two for
five. That's what keeps us Jews alive

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now probably nowadays politically insensitive and people
would scream in hollar, but he sang

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that when I was a little kid. Well, and then and then you'd

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go get bagels. I mean,
you wouldn't just sing me the song and

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say, okay, you're on your
own. He makes me and then he

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gave me a bagel. Yeah,
like okay, and you ate that way

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for the next twenty five years.
Yeah. Well, my story was so

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Bagel's bagels two for five. You'd
get two bagels for five cents, which

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is crazy because I was thinking like
five bucks for two basics. No,

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no, no, no, Because
um, in Irvington, New Jersey,

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so where we where we were,
my grandfather was across the street. He

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had a hit a tailor shop.
Because you know, the Jews came over

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the United States and a lot of
them did certain things, and a lot

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of them besides besides taking over the
movie industry and some other things, they

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became tailors and um, the cobblers, you know, shoe shoe people.

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Actually, his brother went down to
Argentina and became a cobbler. They were.

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My grandfather was across the street from
us. If you go down his

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street, there was a synagogue to
school, and just across the street from

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that was a was an actual bagel
factory, wasn't it wasn't like an Einstein

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bagel. It was a bagel factory
and they made thousands and thousands, and

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so you could just head on over
to and on over grab a couple.

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They were hot. They're right off
the right off the bagel Express, right,

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boy, what was your bail of
preference? Mine? Egg bagel?

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I mean I liked so, I'm
a pretty regular plane bagel guy. I'm

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not am I'm like a purist when
it comes to certain things. Um,

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the only other thing was salt bagels. I love salt bagers. So you

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like your bagels like you like your
wrestling. Plane borings, but pure boring,

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right him? Playing? So New
Jersey is where you grew up.

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Yeah, that's that, I assume
hearing that. And it's interesting that you

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say that your dad would go and
get you bagels every morning, just like

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my dad did. But my dad
wasn't known as a legendary professional wrestler.

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Well, I mean in our neighborhood. I'm trying to think back because you

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know, obviously we're talking to sixty
years ago. Yeah, but I think

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of like just thinking of I guess
wrestlers are on the road all the time.

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That's what I think when I think
of a son of a wrestler.

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Oh he was, Yeah, he
was so. I mean when I say

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he went to get bagels, it
wasn't every day. Okay, Well when

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he was in town, and especially
on Sundays. Sundays was when he got

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bagels, and then he got other
stuff from the Delhi across the street,

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because I was like, a you
know, the special thing you got whitefish

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whitefish was the other thing, whitefish
herring. Um, My dad loved Borsh.

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He is a big Borsh guy.
I can never I can ever really

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acquire a taste for beet juice.
No, I'm not into it. I

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didn't even know what that was.
Sport. Yeah, So your dad Boris

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Milenko, Um, well that was
part of his name, Okay, his

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full moniker was the Great Professor Boris
Maximilianovic Milenko. And would he stress that

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to you. No, not at
all. Just to get the record straight,

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just to get the red Okay.
Your grandfather, you said right away,

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was so it was your grandfather And
was he I'm guessing he wasn't in

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the wrestling industry, wasn't even a
sports guy. Interesting, he was just

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he was just a small guy who
could sew a whole suit from scratch.

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Yeah, amazing Taylor, but not
a sports guy. And then you are,

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so your father just picked up wrestling, do you know, like,

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I don't know how much you have
talked with your dad or know all these

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ins and outs of you know,
I mean the same thing about all of

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us, um or at least most
of us grown up. You don't.

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You don't really sit and say,
hey pop because my dad was popum,

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Hey pop? You know, tell
me about your life before I came around

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and you ruined everything? And is
there like, is there much on record

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about him that you've like since when
did he passino? So since ninety four,

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have you like ever gone and started
like research stuff or since the internet

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became prevalent the only thing the only
thing that I ever researched, Well,

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I didn't research my daughter did um? So I was telling telling you previously,

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you know I have My grandfather was
a tailor and he had a tailor

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shop and he had he actually owned
the building, and then the building was

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a pest control place and he had
the tailorshop on the ground floor, and

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then if you go up his stairs
to the second floor, he had an

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apartment and then there were two apartments
above that, so he had he owned

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a building. There were three apartments. There was a tailor shop, and

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I mean I could still smell that
place to the day. Not it wasn't

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a bad smell. It's just the
smells of a tailors shop, you know,

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the the cleaning materials. And he
had this big steam press and stuff

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like that. Well when he came
and he did that when he came from

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Europe, and he did that.
He came through in the changed his name

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to Simon, which our name was
legally Simon. It's always been that,

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but I knew that it really wasn't
before he got to the States. Now

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he had a brother, and his
brother went down to Buenos Aires. They

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never saw each other again. In
sixty years from the time that they split

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up coming over from Europe, they
never saw each other again. So I

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never really knew what our full our
real last name was. Karl Gotch gave

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me the name Joe Sarkoff when I
went to was kind of a funny name

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rather than jerkof Jello Sharkoff when I
went to Japan, so I thought,

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okay, maybe it's Sharkoff. And
I don't remember why I even thought that

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he would give me a name and
it would be the correct name of my

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grandfather as he came to States.
So my daughter, my younger daughter,

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she researched it Ellis Island stuff,
and she found that it was Sierkin s

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I r K I N it was. It was seen in the records.

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She had the records of him,
you know, arriving on Ellis Island,

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the change of the name from Syrkin
to Simon. And so now, if

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I wanted to do, I could
check out when his aires and probably find

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a whole side of my family down
there. Wait, but Carl got kind

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of got that close. He did
get it pretty close. And maybe he

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did, and maybe he did that
because my dad. I don't think my

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dad knew what well, I can't
say. I don't think I never heard

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my dad say here was your last
name before it was changed to Simon.

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So I would think that my dad
knew. And maybe my dad said something

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to Carl and he just said,
okay, starkoff, right. Maybe that's

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that's what he remembered, that's what
he remember. Yeah, who the hellmet

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were they? Buddy? Were they
buddies? Carl and my dad were very

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close for instant yea, yeah.
Yeah. When when Carl came into the

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States, he came into Minneapolis first
through God in his territory, and my

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dad was up there, and nobody
wanted to Nobody wants to bother with Carl

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for a number of reasons he was. He was a bit of a countrarian.

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At that point. My dad walked
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and said something to the fact,
which is kind of strange because carls ten

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years older than my dad, or
was ten years old in a minute.

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Um, my dad came up to
Carl and said, hey, kid,

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you know you want to go grab
a bite. It was after the matches,

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and from that moment on, Carl
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he was the only guy who extended
his hand and said, hey, you

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know, let's go talk. So
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friends for most of their life.
Kind of fell apart a little bit last

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few years for a couple of reasons, but then re regathered their steam as

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friendship right before my dad dynastic.
Yeah, because when I think of so

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people of my generation, I guess
like I think of the Gotchas and Milincos,

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I think of like Florida, like
both of them training people probably in

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like in their backyards. Like you
know, I think there's something like ma

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Noor Suzuki doing like squats with Carl
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And then you know you hear the
stories of like the Malinco camp in

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Florida. So yeah, it was
all I mean, it was all one

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big happy family, although was separated
at some level Karl's Karl's training and the

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submission style stuff that he did,
which was the precursor to MMA as we

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know what today. He had a
lot of Japanese guys coming over to the

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States and they would go to there, you know, I would, They

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would a couple other guys here in
the States. We'd all go out to

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his house and we trained his house. There were many days and I lived

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out there in the back room.
That was one thing. But then we

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also had our wrestling school, wrestling
school, and a lot of guys came

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there to learn pro. Some of
the guys that came there to learn pro

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also wanted to learn to shoot,
so you know, shoot fighting, so

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we called it shooting. They would
get on the mat and they you know,

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they wanted to go through what it
took to become a submission wrestler,

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and you know, they would do
a little bit of that, and a

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couple of guys even went overseas as
part of UM yeah uf U WFI at

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the time. Fujiwara Gumi. Um
he came. Glenn Jacobs, Yeah,

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he was over there shoot fighting.
He went over there and did well,

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you know these were worked, Yeah, a lot of them were worked fights.

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But yeah, he went over there
once. So like, help me

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with that timeline then, because in
my head, if if the Minco school

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was in Florida, but you were
up in Jersey. So did you move

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down to Florida at the young age? Yeah, I moved down when you

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moved down. It wasn't just me
because I was a kid. I was

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twelve or so. Okay, we
moved down in sixty eight. Hey,

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the shows are at free over on
Patreon. But let's take a quick break

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and we'll be right back. So
we came down the first time in sixty

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two sixty three. Things get a
little fuzzy after a few years on the

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earth. Um, sixty two sixty
three, we came down the first time.

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That's the first time I ever met
gotch as a twelve year old.

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Oh no, you were younger than
I was. Yeah, at sixty two

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sixty three, so I would have
been So I was born at fifty six,

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so I would have been six seven
years old. Do you have like

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viving like not hell yet memories.
I was scared to death, It's right,

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I was scared to death. I
mean he was a he was a

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He was just a big, bony, scary some bitch. And what would

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you what would you call him,
sir? Like grandpa Grandpa Goche? No,

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No, yeah, I mean I
called him. I think I called

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him Carl when I was a young
kid even and uh so that was sixty

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two sixty three. We lived on
clear Water Beach for a little bit.

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Then we then we went from there, we traveled more. We ended up

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in San Francisco. We ended up
out in Ohio, uh No, Omaha,

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Nebraska, Saint Joe, Missouri.
We were in Charlotte, North Carolina.

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We eventually made our way back to
Tampa, and we ended up back

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in Tampa in sixty eight, at
sixty nine. And the rational reason for

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that, rational in my mind my
dad's eyes, was I need to I

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need to get someplace and settled in
because my kids need to stop being gypsies

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and um, you know, being
at a school and stay there and get

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to know the kids. Yeah.
Well, so the family was in Jersey,

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but you were a traveling family then
and ball you mean your grandpa,

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No, my grandfather stayed put.
My grandfather, That's what I'm saying.

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So like you were there, just
like to have those memories. But for

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the most part, you were.
You were flying around. Yeah, we

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were on Well you didn't fly I
mean very rarely. I didn't mean in

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the actual Sano. We Yeah,
you were driving around. We drove everywhere,

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okay, and who twenty four hours
straight? Forty eight hours straight?

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Um, and and you know it's
that typical thing. You got to sit

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and look back at those days and
you gotta laugh. Because the place that

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I the place that I resided in
the car was that back ledge under the

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rear window, and I would lay
out there. It was nice and toasty,

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especially if you were driving in the
wintertime. It's nice and toasty because

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you have got the sun coming through. You didn't have a seatbelt, you

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didn't have it. I mean,
you were laid out as a little kid.

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You you were, I mean if
if my dad stopped short, I

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was a projectile. Yeah, I
was gonna hit two cars in front of

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us. I mean, and I
was thinking there's no internet obviously. So

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and you're driving forty eight hours.
What do you just being the crap out

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of your brother? He's been,
he's he's annoying you. You're being the

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crap out of it you're doing.
Mom and dad are yelling at you.

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Your dad put you out of the
car. Your mom says, Laby,

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you can't leave him here in the
middle of Ohio. You gotta let him

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back in the car. Wow.
Is it comic books or anything or just

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there should have been? It was
a comic book? My mom my mom.

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My mom was a chance smoker.
I mean she would just smoke and

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smoke a smoke, so be in
the car and you know sometimes I mean

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be dead a winner. Yeah,
she'd have the window crack, maybe just

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a little bit, but it barely
did anything. I'm surprised. Yeah,

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I've got so much secondhand smoke.
God knows. And is it just you

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and your brother? Yeah? Yeah, and another guy who wrestles. Yeah.

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Did either of you pick up smoking
or I guess I don't want to

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speak for him. And sometimes that's
the thing, is like Jesus, like

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Mom smokes, it's so gross,
or Mom smokes, I'm gonna start smoking.

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No, I hated it, Yeah, of course I hated it.

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So your your dad's lifestyle was constantly
wrestling, and were you constantly going to

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the wrestling shows? And like,
I don't know, like an overall like

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how did you feel about it?
Were like looking back on it, like

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were you happy with how that maybe
those first twelve years kind of worked or

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do you have do you have any
kind of feelings of like maybe that wasn't

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the lifestyle for for us or a
father shouldn't be doing that. I don't

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know, think and Andrew is see
all of the about you know, yeah,

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because you know there were those moments, man, where you're There's not

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much that I can say today that
I haven't said before, at least at

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some point in my life to somebody. And I would always talk about the

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fact that you know, I was
I was a kid in the early sixties

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and I'm sitting in Madison Square Garden. It's my dad, and it's Wahoo

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McDaniels and Bobo Brazil and Bruno Sam
Martino and Um you know Pedro more Alice

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a little bit later. I mean
you you you know, the the stalwarts

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of wrestling history, and in the
Northeast, you know, these are legendary.

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Mark Sam Martino was a god in
his day. Right, So you're

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this little kid, You're around all
these people, and I always, you

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know, I always laugh about the
fact that. And I another story I

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tell all the time is here,
I live in this little place in Irvington,

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New Jersey, you know, small
house because I looked at it the

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other day on Google Maps and I
went, oh, my god, how

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we even live really? That's pretty
funny looking. Yeah, and uh,

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you know, we used to have
we used to have the Kentuckians come over,

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so, um, you know Jake's
dad, Jake the Snake's dad and

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uh Sam Houston. Yeah, so
their dad was one of the Kentuckians.

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And then you know, so one
day we'd have the Kentuckians show up.

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So these guys are sixteen sixty nine, and then the next day we'd have

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Lord Littlebrook or sky Lolo, you
know, three foot two. So you

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were one of those houses that had
like the revolving door of wrestlers all the

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time. Do you think it was
because there was a sense of family in

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your household. Um, I don't
know what was that. Look, my

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dad loved the business, okay,
so that was you know, that was

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his that was his woman. It
was was the business. So as much

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as he could, he wanted to
be around the boys. He really didn't

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like being around too many other people
there. And it wasn't that he was

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a jerk or anything. He just
he just he hung in the business to

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which he you know, put forth
all his effort because it was easier for

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him. And you gotta remember back
in those days, you know, the

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days of k fabe, which we
would have never said twenty years ago.

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Um, you just want to You
just wanted to hang by yours. You

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didn't want to have to deal with, you know, being grilled about the

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business. So I was gonna say
explaining it, right, You just didn't

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want to deal with it, so
you you just stayed with the boys.

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I don't remember really having I remember
my mom having other friends besides the people

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in the business, but I really
don't remember my dad having maybe a couple

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through the years later on in his
life as he got much older. Yeah,

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he had friends who weren't pros but
dry sense of humor. Um.

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Really, he was a he was
a very funny man. He was he

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was he was a he was very
strong with you know, that whole self

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deprecating kind of thing. Um.
Yeah, he would say things and be

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off based on purpose. And my
mom would be historical ant number one number

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his number one UM comedy fan for
about two days out of forty years.

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The rest of the time not so
much. And then, um, so

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you went to all these shows.
Yeah, were you like this little kid

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like running around everyone playing with you
or were you into it? Maybe?

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You know, I don't want you
to speak for your brother, but were

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you Were you both into it?
Was? Yeah, because I was.

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So. I'm four years older than
my brother, and that's not you know,

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that's not significant, but especially in
those earlier days, I was a

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guy. I was a kid running
around, more and more interactive my kid.

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My brother was a small child,
so I got to know the old

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timers. I was more out and
about than my brother was. Um,

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but it wasn't it wasn't just happening. A lot of times I would just

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sit there and sit there next to
my mom and watch some matches, you

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know, would be in the back
and watch some matches in fact one one

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h you know, And this happened
a few times because I was I still,

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you know, you can be told
certain things as a small child,

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but you still don't grasp it fully. And I remember there was one house

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show. It was a small town
somewhere out in the wherever, the Midwest

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or something, and my dad hits
a guy and guy goes out of and

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my dad was a heel. Guy
hits My dad hits a guy now refers

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in the middle, arguing with my
dad, and the guy goes under.

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The ring comes down, it comes
through the under, the ring comes back

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up the other side of the ring. My dad's standing looking I'm a little

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kid, I'm dad, watch out. And my mom my mom, My

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mom almost threw me under the chair. She's like, shut up, boom

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because yeah, it's my dad.
Man, this guy sneaking up on my

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father. Of course, did he
give did he ever give you a sit

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down and be like you gotta boom
me? Did you say you gotta boom

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me? Nah? Not really?
And then any any guys that like like

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looking back to find memories of someone
being like not like a big brother,

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But I don't know, there's a
special place in my heart for like the

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wrestler that always goes over the kids
and makes friends with them. I had

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a lot of I had a lot
of second dads, um, And not

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to take anything away from my father, because here's here's he was my pop.

407
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.359
But I had a lot of I
had a lot of guys who really

408
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.480
stepped up and were really great with
me. Don Curtis was one. I

409
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.480
didn't spend a lot of time around
down but he was just a phenomenal man.

410
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.400
In fact, I just talked to
his wife, Dottie half an hour

411
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:11.519
ago. EDWARDO Perez, who wrestled
in the h He was from Buenos Aires.

412
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.519
He wrestled in Florida for a long
time. It's from Kansas City originally

413
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.839
and then well through one of his
areas to Kansas City back down to Florida.

414
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.640
Um, he was like he was
like a dad, you know,

415
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.240
m Jacob Groby, Hans Mortier at
the time. So I had had a

416
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:32.039
half a dozen, had had a
half a dozen pro wrestling fathers who watched

417
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:33.240
out for me and took care of
me. And in fact, I was

418
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:40.119
just down at the at the Dragos
Says Museum here in Waterloo, and they

419
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:44.319
had a thing about Abe Jacobs,
who wrestled with Don Curtis as a tag

420
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:48.000
team. Abe was a New Zealander. Um, I think he's still around.

421
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:49.599
He's gonna be in his he's gonna
be in his late eighties, maybe

422
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:52.599
I think so. I don't.
I don't. I think he's still with

423
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:59.759
us. But Abe, you know, before I so in seventy seventy eight

424
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.119
or seventy seven, right before the
summer of seventy eight, I guess,

425
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.400
I was up in Charlotte and Abe
worked with me to get me ready to

426
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.119
go down to Mexico City because I
was going to go down there work for

427
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.079
Flores at the time for that summer. So this would have been seventy summer

428
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:18.559
seventy eight. And just guys did
then, you know, they they kind

429
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.920
of if you were if you were
a son of one of the guys in

430
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.240
the business, especially my dad,
because you pretty well thought of Yeah,

431
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:26.319
you know, they just all they
just all kind of took care of me.

432
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.359
Um. I mean that out of
a place to be. That obviously

433
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.480
makes me think. I think of
Abe Jacobs, I think of your father.

434
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.240
I think of me as a Jewish
wrestler. And then is that so

435
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:41.519
is that stuff that both you you
know or your father? Is that stuff

436
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.640
that was talked about? Was would
you was like I feel like Abe Jacobs

437
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.960
is like probably one of the more
famous ones, as is your father.

438
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:53.200
Right, So I don't know if
that was like in the atmosphere at that

439
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.240
time. I guess anytime it's you
know, you mean, you mean the

440
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:03.359
thing Jewish Jewish side of this?
Um did did you know? Did the

441
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.319
bad stuff was talked about? Not
the good stuff, Okay, the bad

442
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:10.279
stuff, the anti Semitism that existed, and it was strong, you know,

443
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:11.759
and he was It was strong.
It was strong with me as a

444
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.599
kid when I lived in Jersey,
and it was strong with my dad when

445
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.720
he was trying to make it in
the business. And even when he succeeded,

446
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.000
there were a lot of you know, there were a lot of issues

447
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.359
of being a being a Jew.
Would he come home and talk about it

448
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:27.640
or would you see it at the
matches? I mean I I experienced it

449
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.720
firsthand through his eyes, and yeah
he would. My dad wasn't a complainer,

450
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.240
so he was he was a pretty
you know, he was a pretty

451
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.319
easygoing person. He loved life.
Yeah, He didn't complain about it,

452
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.200
but he he made me aware of
it. You know. I think it

453
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.440
was one of these things that,
hey, Jody, you're gonna be out

454
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.519
there and you're gonna try and make
things go for yourself whatever that means,

455
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:56.839
you know, come to some modicum
of success measured by whatever. And in

456
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.079
order to do that, you're gonna
find that you're probably at some point to

457
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.720
fight against you know, who you
are as a you know, as a

458
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.599
Jewish man. Okay, I'll deal
with it, right, And that was

459
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.799
there like a brother ship though I
think of because I think of a Jacobs

460
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.079
are just um, not really not
that you know, not that I not

461
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.839
that I recollect them. And it
wasn't like it wasn't like all the Jews

462
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.279
gathered together, got to stay together, right, Okay, Okay, so

463
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.359
you move when you're Jewish ress room. Yeah, there's a Jewish dressing room.

464
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.160
And now you're two doors down.
Jews are down two doors now,

465
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.039
and there's a missus daughter. Right, don't forget. The shows are ad

466
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.160
free on Patreon. But right now
we'll take a break. We'll be right

467
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.440
back. So you moved it when
you're when you're twelve to Florida. I

468
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:42.039
guess maybe let's talk about your galloping
into the industry. But it's like you

469
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.640
you were one of these kids who
was probably in it since you were a

470
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.200
child, right, Yeah, you
know, the one the one thing that

471
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:53.119
I said about my dad, he
my dad made things available, didn't push,

472
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:59.359
didn't persuade, didn't course, none
of that stuff. Definitely not at

473
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.480
a level that was, um,
you know, like a stage mom or

474
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:03.559
something like that. It was,
hey, this is what I do for

475
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.079
a living. You know, if
you if you like it. I'm not

476
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.480
gonna tell you whether I like it
or not to like it, but if

477
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.000
you do end up liking it and
you want to do something, I'm trying

478
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.839
to help you if I can.
Um. And you know, my dad

479
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.880
ran a lot of independent stuff at
some point in his life. So you

480
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.720
know, obviously book my brother and
I on his shows. Before my brother

481
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.480
end up really doing well here in
the States. I picked up in Japan

482
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:30.359
mostly because of Carl and my dad's
my dads connections, and I mean very

483
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.960
early. You said I never did
this for a full time living. Yeah,

484
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.920
was that I don't know, like
was that a conscious but it was

485
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.599
by design, by design that I
was almost I was on you know,

486
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.720
at times, I was almost prideful
about the fact that I and this is

487
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.519
gonna sound terrible, and I'm almost, you know, almost like umpany.

488
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.920
But I was one of the guys
that used the business instead of being used

489
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.720
by the business. And for a
lot of guys who's being used and spit

490
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.160
out by the business, you know, I always wanted to make sure that

491
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.480
whatever happened in the ring, I
had something to fall back on. My

492
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.920
dad. My dad, I almost
said, he drove that home with me.

493
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.000
He really, and you know it's
not like he drove it home,

494
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.400
but he he through everything he did, he helped me to understand. And

495
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.519
I guess I guess I watched him
too, and I knew that my dad

496
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.519
had nothing to fall back on,
and so I just figured, Okay,

497
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.359
well I've better, I've better make
sure, I better make sure something is

498
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.720
there. And so yeah, I
went to college. I went pharmacy school

499
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.319
and got my pharmacy degree. Always
dabbled in the resting business because it was

500
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.319
just fun. I mean, you
know, in pharmacy, no matter what

501
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.039
you're doing, whether or not you're
working a you're working in a hospital job,

502
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.279
you're working for the pharmaceutical industry,
or you're working in community based practice

503
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.599
setting or something along those lines.
I'm an oncollegy pharmacist, so I've played

504
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.119
in the area of cancer care for
thirty years. But you know, at

505
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.000
no point in your time as a
pharmacist, and no point in your career

506
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.160
as a pharmacist, you ever have
you know, sixty seventy thousand people chanting

507
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.720
your name, you're right? Or
do you ever go wow, this is

508
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:57.880
a lot of fun. Yeah,
and yeah, and if you show up

509
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:02.720
the pharmacy in a paradise greased up. Okay, So what what age was

510
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:08.079
your first match? In my head, it was fourteen? Well, I

511
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.839
mean I played around, you know, I played around at a young age,

512
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:16.640
but my first real match probably probably
eighteen eighteen nineteen. And what were

513
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:22.279
the steps? Was it like Dad
teach me or Carl teach me for X

514
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.559
amount of weeks or like you had
to have known how to do this stuff

515
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.519
or maybe yeah, I don't know, No, I did, I you

516
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.920
know, like I didn't. I
didn't have the I didn't have the finer

517
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.640
points um pulled together yet. But
I had the basic mechanics of how to

518
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.319
work a match and at least I
could go in and out of holds and

519
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:42.319
yeah, that was that was pretty
easy, and it was. It was

520
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.279
really only later on in life by
you know, then understanding what I needed

521
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.960
to do in the ring. I
could then talk to my dad and other

522
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.799
people and go, okay, so
how do you how do you really have

523
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:53.920
a match out of this? You
know? I mean you can you can

524
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:58.720
go through the paces or you can
have a match that that takes a house

525
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.400
down right, you know, And
they're two different things. And who was

526
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.359
the first one to like really to
explain that to you? Um? My

527
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.079
dad, Yeah, my dad,
my dad. It's hard to talk about

528
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.880
your dad in such glowing turns because
he's your dad, and people go,

529
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:14.880
well, he's your dad. But
it's beyond that my dad had. If

530
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:16.720
he wasn't my dad, I would
still say this. He had an amazing

531
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:22.880
ring psychology. And again this is
one of those stories. So, um,

532
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.519
you're not getting this new so Ford
Homer astute Armory. My dad's in

533
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.720
the ring. So first, first
off, Tony Charles and Billy Robinson two

534
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.279
British men, two british men who
had a well. Tony wasn't British,

535
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.680
he was from he was a Welshman
algi only to Tony Um. So they

536
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.400
had a they had an amazing match. I mean they pulled out all the

537
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.480
stops and they did all the gimmicks
and it was it was it was great

538
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:54.799
to watch for me because I enjoyed. I enjoyed what they did because I

539
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.759
know, I knew what it takes
for them. I knew what it took

540
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.359
for them to do that. But
the rest of the crowd at Ford,

541
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:06.960
Homer, Hastley, Armory Um didn't
get off their hands. And for the

542
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.599
listener, I mean it's very like
technical they put on Yeah, they put

543
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.599
on a Tritish they put on a
typical British technicals show. Yeah, and

544
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:20.719
they were amazing, and they were
great and and even even their you know

545
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.639
their English style, you know their
English style upper cuts and stuff I did.

546
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.599
It looked like tear your head off. And Tony Charles had a drop

547
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.960
kick that was amazing. I mean, these guys they were they were great

548
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.079
hands. But it was a typical
style and it was a lot of back

549
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.360
and forth. It was just it
was just too much for the crowd,

550
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.079
and the crowd really couldn't pull the
psychology from what they were doing it.

551
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.199
Just it didn't it didn't tell any
story, you know, it was just

552
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.719
it was just a lot of athleticism, like a lot of stuff todays.

553
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:51.079
So so you know, I'm watching
this and Tony and Billy get done,

554
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.480
and they get upstairs, and my
dad's now down and Tony comes and I'm

555
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:59.719
standing at the top of the railing
and Fort Homer Hestley Armory by the dress

556
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.960
room. You'd have to know the
place. What's what state? Oh,

557
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.800
this is Florida, Tampa, Flarida. Okay, yeah, they used to

558
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.920
call the Madison Square Garden of the
South, so they oh, this is

559
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:14.920
Florida championshipress Claria Championship, breshing Um. This was probably mid seventies or right

560
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.719
as I was so seventy four.
I graduated high school seventy four, so

561
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.840
probably some time around there, because
when my dad came in, I think

562
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.000
just for a couple of shots towards
the end of his career there because he

563
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.599
was up in the Carolina's So he
comes in, ton Charles and Billy Robinson

564
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:30.599
get done. Tony comes up through
the dress room. He stands next to

565
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.679
me on the on the balcony.
We're overlooking the ring and my dad gets

566
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.440
in the ring. You can just
my dad starts out slow and I forget

567
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:38.440
who he was in with. It
really didn't matter at the time. He

568
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.119
could have been in wing with a
broom you know, the proverbial broomstick,

569
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.559
right, and he's doing his thing, and you could just feel the crowd,

570
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.000
you know, just you can just
feel the pulse of the crown and

571
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.199
all of a sudden, you know, you feel the heat gathering and my

572
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:57.239
dad just did two fingers in the
eye and the polace erupted. I mean,

573
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.440
you would have thought you would have
thought that my dad just did this

574
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.920
spot that was like amazing. He
just did the old you know, three

575
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.920
s two, just two fingers in
the yeah, because he was known for

576
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.920
that. It was it was it
was a silly gimmick. In fact,

577
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:13.920
Luthez He used to make fun of
him for his silliness. And Tony Tony

578
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.400
Charles would stand next to me.
He looks over me because he didn't see

579
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:20.119
it, and he's looking at me
like this, he's what do you do?

580
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.719
What crazy thing? Like, what
do you do? And I said,

581
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.480
did he did this? You just
and you just see him trying to

582
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:29.800
process this and his mind, and
you know, you can tell that he

583
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.559
was thinking to himself, I just
went out there and destroyed my body for

584
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.840
twenty minutes, did everything that I
could ever possibly do in a ring,

585
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.320
and this guy does two fingers in
the eye. He took the house down.

586
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.960
He brought the house down, and
I and my thing after that was

587
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.960
it wasn't just that he did that, it was when he did it.

588
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:46.800
He didn't do it one second too
early, he didn't do it one second

589
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.280
too late. You know, it's
it was his timy. Man, he

590
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.199
just knew, he just knew when
he had to do something to make that

591
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.400
crowd pop. And you couldn't hear
yourself think in that place at times.

592
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.880
And he was good at that.
And really, you know, there's a

593
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.960
level of that that you can't teach. You can get to a certain point,

594
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.119
but you know, there's only so
many guys that have that kind of

595
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.760
timing where they just know they had
that sense of the crowd. And it's

596
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.239
years of years of years of matches, yeah and things, and you're dead

597
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:16.320
put. A little bit of luck
I've had. I've had a couple of

598
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:21.239
matches like that in my life that
just kind of popped up and yeah,

599
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.800
and after the match, you're like, holy crap, that felt really good.

600
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:28.079
Yeah, that was a good match. Yeah. Okay, So the

601
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.639
first match was just on an independent
I don't even remember where it was.

602
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:38.599
I mean, it wasn't for all
Japan. It was Madison, Yeah,

603
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.400
probably yeah, probably on the outskirts
of Tampa somewhere, just a random Okay,

604
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:49.719
but your trajectory is Japan. I
think that's where I did. That's

605
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.800
where I did most of my stuff
whatever my stuff was, okay, yeah,

606
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.440
most of Japan. Okay, I
did you know I did. I

607
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.159
did show for w c W.
I did a couple of things there,

608
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.280
a couple of things for w W
at the time. But I think I

609
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:05.480
wrestled to Dark Match for WWE,
and did I forget even what I did?

610
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.440
And then and then we had yeah, I had a very non memorable

611
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:15.119
um US career. And then you
know, then again we had independent productions.

612
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.079
One was called Global Wrestling Alliance,
which ran out of Miami, South

613
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.559
Florida. It was actually it was
actually a penny stock at the time.

614
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.039
And then we uh, you had
Don Curtis and Louis to lettum Ran ran

615
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.679
a promotion out of Jacksonville for a
while. Um, we had TV up

616
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.800
there, so you know, we
we had TV a few times. Smaller

617
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.360
promotions never really got anywhere. It
was so hard, especially in the days

618
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:44.440
of the territory right before you know, the explosion of Vince and Crew and

619
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:49.960
Turner. Would you couldn't you couldn't
compete against the guys who owned the territories.

620
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.519
Would you travel with your dad to
these shows? Yeah? Sometimes?

621
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.679
Yeah? Or was it uw F
I or UWF when you was that like

622
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.440
your that was my intro into Japan, right, and so like how long

623
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.559
did it take to get to there? Well, out to LA was about

624
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.880
it for four or five hours,
and then from LA to thank you,

625
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:15.039
thank you beautiful well man, I
don't know, probably uh when did I

626
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.320
go the first time? Eighty three? Maybe to Japan down It probably took

627
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:21.960
me six or seven years before you
were doing little shows, and literally I

628
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.639
was just doing little which maybe we
were also, you know, keep in

629
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:30.760
mind, probably the greatest if if
the Molco family has a legacy besides you

630
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.159
know, having matches, and some
of the match has been pretty damn good.

631
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.599
We trained a lot of guys we
were Yeah, we had the school

632
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:42.840
we placed a lot of guys.
I lose track of some of the boys

633
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.920
that we got into the business.
Both we WCW WWE guys who went out

634
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.760
to you know, major promotions around
the country when the you know, when

635
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.679
the regional efforts were still running strong
and did well. Um, so so

636
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.280
tell me, like if you're if
you said it from eighteen to twenty four,

637
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:00.639
you were doing that, but you
were doing the school Like how would

638
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.000
how would it work? Like you
go to you go to college, you

639
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.599
come home, you helped training,
you're there, you're watching it. I

640
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:08.719
would I would get there as much
as I could. You know, my

641
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:12.719
dad really was the school. Well, we had in different places. We

642
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.639
had uh we had in the back
of a judo plays in Tampa called ed

643
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:22.400
Mally's Florida Judo. Then we had
a building out in Stepfner or something one

644
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:27.880
of the rural areas of that your
real last name who what my real last

645
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.000
name is, serkan Yan? Yeah. Yeah. Then we had like a

646
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.199
in in a field behind some guy's
house. Um, he was a pipe

647
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.440
fabricator, but he let us use
this warehouse that he had behind his house.

648
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.920
So we uh, we wrestled out
the warehouse and then warehouse their house,

649
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:52.400
um you know, Frankenstein and then
uh and then um Brooks was Jewish

650
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:53.320
dude, and I've never seen it. Don't yell at me, are you

651
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:59.960
seriously? Oh my god? You
know, being with a Mazza Bryers,

652
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.440
um so. And then we got
a little place. We actually wrestled out

653
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:10.199
of a mattress factory, Florida mattress
for a while. We with Wally von

654
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.159
Strohei, and my dad got Wally
to let us open the place and go

655
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.039
in there. We wrestled out there
for a while, and then we wrestled

656
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.679
in an industrial park, Dab's Industrial
Park. And at this time, you

657
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.400
know, you hear the stories.
It's like maybe the Monster factory and like

658
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:30.719
the mid eighties was the first one
to like publicize like we'll teach you the

659
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.599
business. Um. So it's always
weird to hear about wrestling story like wrestling

660
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:39.480
schools kind of like seventies and eight
like early eighties and not exposed. But

661
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:44.800
like you know, like there wasn't
like an actual well to my knowledge,

662
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.360
like these like mass schools. I
guess no, I mean they didn't have

663
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.119
the you know, they didn't have
first of all, I mean you know

664
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.760
WCW. You know w c W, the power Plan, you know WWE

665
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:59.639
had, uh, you know,
the Championship Wrestling Florida deal with Steve with

666
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.400
current and at the time who took
over a lot of our guys when my

667
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.679
dad and my brother closed up shot
because getting back to our school, my

668
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.760
dad and my brother really ran.
I would show up, work out,

669
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.760
teach a little bit, you know, play some games, and then get

670
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.360
the hell out of there. We
were we were, I mean we were

671
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.159
we were one of the few schools. First of all, my dad barely

672
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.960
charged people a lot of times.
Yeah, he was. He was a

673
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.159
terrible businessman. Yeah, in my
head, it's like a racket, Like

674
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.159
he's like, no, it wasn't. But for my dad it was.

675
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.639
It was anything. But I mean
he just he just loved the business.

676
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.960
And it was sad because he probably
could have done fairly well because he had

677
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.199
the you know, he had the
pedigree and he had the uh, he

678
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.719
had the results of guys who went
and did pretty well. You know,

679
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:44.440
the Canes of the World and the
Mark Muros and the tugboats and I mean

680
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.239
the list goes on. You know, Gang Grell and a bunch of guys

681
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.880
who came out of school who did
okay, um, so he could have

682
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.119
played off of that, and he
probably could have milked the hell out of

683
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:53.679
guys who came in. He just
didn't do that well. I always laugh

684
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:57.360
with you know, you know Norman
smiling. Yeah, Norman one of the

685
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.800
greatest guys around. Man. Norman's
awesome guy. Um trade trained me in

686
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.360
a little bit in the w W
system. I mean we trained, you

687
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.960
know, we trained Norman. Yeah, and uh yeah, I think Norman.

688
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.719
I think Norman's feet of my dad
was like seven hundred bucks he came.

689
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.199
I may be I may be wrong
about this, but I don't think

690
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.880
I am. If Norman never corrects
me out say okay, yeah, but

691
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.519
yeah, I think I think his
few was like seven hundred bucks or something.

692
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:21.719
My dad to start or you know, for however many weeks, and

693
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:22.880
then he came to my dad later, I says, hey, late Larry,

694
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:24.840
I you know, I'm a little
short. My dad said, you

695
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.880
know, sort of, don't worry
about it. And I don't think.

696
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.679
I don't think Norman ever paid him
back anything. It was funny at an

697
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:31.880
event one time, I said,
hey, Norman, my dad before he

698
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.519
passed away. He said, get
that son of a bitch's money from him.

699
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.679
Last thing, the last thing.
It was the last thing you ever

700
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.920
do you need to collect the money
from Norman. Yeah, but that that

701
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.039
was who he was. Man,
He just he he didn't he didn't care

702
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.519
about this stuff. He wasn't the
guy. He wasn't the guy to hit

703
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.840
you for two thousand dollars, tell
you that you were going to be a

704
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.679
superstar, and then you know,
two weeks later you were looking for him.

705
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:55.719
Right, Which, there's a lot, so many, a lot of

706
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.920
stuff that goes on my dad guy
and guys and guys who never did anything

707
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:01.719
themselves, who opened up at school
and say I'm gonna make you something,

708
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:07.119
and you know when there's opportunity that
that's when they come out, right.

709
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.199
Yeah, it's it sucks. Don't
forget. The shows are ad free over

710
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:14.679
on Patreon. But right now we'll
take a quick break and then we'll be

711
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.960
right back. When I think about
you, like then, the most notorious

712
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.679
thing for me is kind of watching
the Malaco Brothers in All Japan. Um,

713
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.840
so I guess maybe you can help
me tell like getting there and tagging

714
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.920
with your brother. Yeah, I
mean we uh don't tell me to lay

715
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:39.000
my jokes. Only flying well one
time per per podcast. So yeah,

716
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:45.360
Lord Blair's was in Hawaii, and
I think I think Mark Karl, I

717
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.280
think Karl made the connection with Lord
Blairs at the time for me, but

718
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.599
it was from my brother as well. And so Lord Blair's got us book

719
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.440
the first time, and then uh
yeah, I mean we just started going.

720
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.760
Things kind of clicked. You know. The nice thing about the nice

721
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.000
thing about Baba was he recognized before
the States recognized that he could get a

722
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.800
lot out of his junior heavyweights,
you know, that he could get a

723
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.360
lot out of his smaller guys.
Um. And a lot of that was

724
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.480
due to the fact that a lot
of the Japanese boys were smaller guys,

725
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.679
but they were just phenomenal performers.
I mean, I love the working over

726
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.800
there because I never you know,
with the exception of a couple of the

727
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.440
guy Jane and I never got on
the ring with a guy who I looked

728
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.119
at one with a slacker, you
know, he who's who's just holding back

729
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:29.440
and not giving you everything he needs
to give to make a match happen.

730
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.079
Um. So it was, it
was. It was a great place to

731
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.760
be in Baba. Baba was just
good about cultivating that. And he you

732
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:37.599
know, if you if you worked, if you worked hard for him,

733
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.440
he'd take care of you. And
he you know, he took us up

734
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.920
and pay and rewarded us. You
know, we were never going to be

735
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:45.960
and we were never going to be
at the level of the World Warriors or

736
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.320
the stand Hanson's of the world.
But you know, he took care of

737
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.960
us and brought us back and we
had we had the opportunity pretty much within

738
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.400
reason, call our shots as to
how much we wanted to be there.

739
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.920
I was restricted because I was a
farm. Yeah, So tell me about

740
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.519
like what your gaps were you there
or what? What do you think like

741
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.880
eighty eight to something? Well,
start, I think I started. So

742
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:14.639
I started with u WF in eighty
three. If I'm not again, that's

743
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:19.079
famous, if I'm not mistaken phrase. Yeah, Um, everything else is

744
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.639
a blurner. I mean, I
know, I know, the like tours

745
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.280
of late eighties, I was going
pretty strong with all with All Japan.

746
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.599
You were going, I'm doing a
bunch of tours, right, Yeah,

747
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.760
I was doing a bunch of tours. Yeah. So then my brother kind

748
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.639
of pulled away for a while because
he started here in the States, and

749
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.960
so I ended up going and doing
my own thing. I was tagged up

750
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:43.280
with you know, Kobashi who became
pretty special became Yeah, shamrock Can was

751
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:50.039
my tag partner, and that was
fun experience. How are you taking off

752
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.960
of what do you because? Correct
me if I'm wrong? Like your vision

753
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.199
is like I got to make sure
I have this job to go back to,

754
00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.199
right, Yeah, So what tell
me about your thoughts as uh as

755
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.199
that kind of the struggle, that
kind of struggle of thinking, you know,

756
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.719
as all I can say, it
was a blur. Man. I

757
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.440
look back and I think, if
I add all the things up that I

758
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:14.000
was doing at the time, looking
back, you know, hindsight, if

759
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:15.599
I if I add all the things
up, it was more than twenty four

760
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:20.320
hour a day, and it took
up more time than than than was available

761
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.719
on a clock. Did you I'm
not sure. How the hell did you

762
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:27.199
have a pharmacy job? Yeah,
and you said I need three weeks off

763
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.199
every seven weeks. I would just
I would just get time off. You

764
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:35.000
know. The new thing about So
here's anything about pro wrestling. It's a

765
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.239
novelty. There's not a lot of
pro wrestlers out there, and there's not

766
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.400
a pro a lot of pro wrestlers, you know, there's a lot I

767
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.079
run into guys who say, yeah, my my cousin was a pro wrestler.

768
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:45.719
What's his name, Yeah, the
masked Uh, you know, the

769
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.440
massed assassin. Oh, that massed
assassin, the guy in you know,

770
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.679
the guy in some small town in
Minnesota. There are diamond does, but

771
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:57.159
guys who really do it and who
can talk about it and who've had a

772
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.599
chance to work in the ring with
some you know, some big, some

773
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:04.199
big guys. That's a novelty.
So the people that I worked for and

774
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.320
the people that I deal dealt with
back then and even today, I'll be

775
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.800
doing business deals and you know,
people will say, so I heard you

776
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.639
wrestle, and I'll say, yeah, here's what I did. And they

777
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.199
were like, oh my god.
And then they'll check on the Internet and

778
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.519
they're like, I can't believe I
was dealing with a What's just dealing with

779
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:22.679
the company in Belfast. They're an
Informattish company. They deal in they deal

780
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:28.079
in data coming out of labs off
of these milecular tests, off off of

781
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.719
tumors. And here I am talking
with these people, you know, these

782
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.000
high brow folks, and the guy
said something about wrestling, and before you

783
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.480
know it, the whole conversation was
about wrestling, because it's a novelty.

784
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.840
And sometimes I get bored and you
know, think, oh my guy,

785
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.039
we're talking wrestling again. But it
serves a purpose. It's got me the

786
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.800
opportunity to do a bunch of other
stuff, and it gets me sometimes.

787
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.400
It gets to me business deals because
it's I'm the guy who's a wrestler.

788
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.000
Well, and also you're you're not
masked Assassin number seven. They see a

789
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.920
clip of you a boudicon right or
whatever it is, which is pretty well.

790
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:02.039
And then look, my brother had. My brother had a lot of

791
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:06.760
notoriety. He was a phenomenal hand
in the ring. If they have no

792
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.400
clue on God's Green or who the
hell I was, most people most because

793
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.960
I'll say Milenco, somebody they'll say
Dean Minco again. My favorite, my

794
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.360
favorite, my favorite story is I
met a fan fest in Charlotte. I

795
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.199
was brought in because they were getting
my dad an award um as part of

796
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:27.320
the mid midst mid Atlantic Championship Pressing
deal back in the day. So they

797
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.960
bring me in I'm talking to Paul
Orndoff, and Paul's talking to me,

798
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.119
and some fans seeing me talking to
him, and then I go to get

799
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.719
on the elevators, the elevator with
these fans and they're like, oh,

800
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:37.880
you know him, Do you know
Paul? I said, yeah, you

801
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.800
know, we used to We used
to know each other in Tampa pretty well.

802
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.880
You know, when he was dressing
I was drestling and stuff. And

803
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.079
they went, you wrestle. I
said yeah, I said Molenco And they

804
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:51.079
look and they go Dean Molenco and
I said no, Joe, and they

805
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:57.760
went oh, and then they turned
and they started talking. But I,

806
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.880
I mean, you know, was
I was, I a little bit maybe,

807
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.519
But I was also laughing. I
mean because I I knew my players.

808
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.960
I know my players. My brother
had a hell of a career and

809
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.559
he was probably one of the best
technicians ever, even Jerry Jerry Briscot one

810
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.840
time just walked up to me out
of the blue, and so I just

811
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.400
want to let you know that of
all the people who I ever considered,

812
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:17.079
you know, the technical guys,
your brother may have been the best.

813
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.000
I'm damn yeah, yeah, you're
not too shabby yourself, Yes, for

814
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:27.920
sure. And then and and I
guess those tours, years of tours of

815
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:32.039
all Japan, who was who are
you hanging out with? And I don't

816
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.719
know if it's like the scrape like
because I have my experiences of Japan,

817
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.679
of Japanese tours, and and I'm
a romantic like that, Like when I

818
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.239
when I toured Japan, I always
think like these are the this is what

819
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.480
the ones before me did or England, like this is the you know I

820
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.559
used to do those buttling camp if
you remember those, Like I'd be like,

821
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.880
you know, the ones before me
did this. And there's something that

822
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.400
always sticks with me. And I
feel like I'm doing the job and I

823
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.280
am a wrestler and so you know, and I like to be in the

824
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.039
moment of what I'm doing though,
so is your touring with all Japan,

825
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.840
which is huge at the time,
like who are you with? Who are

826
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.000
you hanging out with? And then
also like how are you taking in these

827
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.840
experiences? So when my brother was
there, my brother and I spent a

828
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.639
lot of time together. Um,
Doug fur Nest was probably my arguably maybe

829
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:20.920
my best friend overseas, so we
spent a lot of time. I would

830
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.079
train with him because he was just
you know, he was a freaking beast

831
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.360
man. Um, you trained Doug. You trained legs with Doug Furness,

832
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.280
you trained legs. No, No, if hans are butts, well the

833
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.159
only butts are your butts to the
ground, because you don't you don't squat

834
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.960
halfway down, and you squat with
Doug for ness. Uh And then um,

835
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:45.679
stand Hanson, I got to be
I like him. He's just a

836
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:47.639
he's just a good guy. And
so you know, I would hang I

837
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:51.239
would hang around him a lot because
it's the great thing about hanging with stand,

838
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:52.480
especially if you're going out with him
at night, is all you had

839
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.320
to do is hang back and just
walk behind him, because he was a

840
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.239
bowl in a china shop, and
he would just go through the entire city.

841
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:05.079
It was almost like zillah, yeah, run everybody, oh real Japanese.

842
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.559
Yeah, he was just and he
just bulled his way through the whole

843
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.400
city and you just walk behind him
and laugh your ass off. But also

844
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.239
like right, a monster in the
ring, but seemed like a sweet man.

845
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.039
No, he's he's a great guy, great attitude. Great Yeah.

846
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:19.119
I was gonna say not, may
you tell me? Probably not an egomaniac

847
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.800
or I don't know, no,
but but knew that he was good.

848
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:22.800
But I knew that he was good. Yeah, I mean definitely knows.

849
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.440
He definitely knew that he was top
dog over there. Cool no no,

850
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.519
no, no, no questions ask
you. He knew, he knew who

851
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.800
he was. And I did have
a question about Baba, because it's I

852
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.679
don't know as an American who just
like you know, I don't know you

853
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.480
hear Baba an okie like you hear
these things, um like who was he

854
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.159
a nice man? Like? Who
was he was? Do you have experiences?

855
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.679
So I had, I had,
you know, I had minimal direct

856
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.320
interactions with him. Okay, Baba, just you know if look, if

857
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.599
you were staying or if you're you
were the road Warriors or maybe you were

858
00:52:54.639 --> 00:53:01.360
Abbey abdulla um. That's the stories
for another podcast. Yeah, if you

859
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:06.039
if you were any of those guys, you probably got more Baba time,

860
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:14.000
gotama time song. And I see
some guy in big, big parachute pants.

861
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:21.000
It's time. But I think it's
like an old grandpa with giant parachute

862
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.239
pants. But he, um,
he was Baba, you know it was

863
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.599
it was a giant um and I
I'm almost worried. You know, he

864
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:31.400
would talk to me about and just
briefly you know, oh he's had that

865
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.519
d voice and just call you over
and you ask you what you want to

866
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.079
do, if you you know,
you wanted to you know, you talk

867
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.760
a little bit about Monte Air and
maybe talk to you about how many more

868
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:43.480
tours or you know what, what
you want to come over for the year

869
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.159
or something if you were lucky enough
and we had you know, we had

870
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.039
that kind of mid mid tier space
where we could talk to him about money

871
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.320
and time in Japan. Um.
And this was sort of right about the

872
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:58.400
time my brother was leaving and doing
back here in the States. So,

873
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:00.599
I mean, I know he was
larger than life. But like, did

874
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.480
you see him that way? Were
you like intimidated or anything or no,

875
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:05.639
not at all. No, he
was No, he was just he was

876
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.000
a fixture, you know. I
mean, he wasn't he wasn't intimidating.

877
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.079
He didn't try to be intimidating.
He was just a he was just a

878
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.320
big He was just a big big
man. Okay. Um he even went

879
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.880
so far one time. So Kobashi
and um this kid Kokuchi. Yeah,

880
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.599
yeah, Kobashi and Kokuchi. They
wanted to they were they were up and

881
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.159
comers, you know, they wanted
to push them. So Baba flew my

882
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.519
brother and I did to um Honolulu, and so we stayed in Hawaii and

883
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:36.480
we had a week long Malenco school
in Hawaii, and we just trained Kobashi

884
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:40.239
and Kokuchi. So we spent a
lot of time when we were there with

885
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:45.159
Baba and those guys and a couple
of other his you know, his his

886
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.239
underlings. Yeah. Um, that's
the most time I ever spent with Boba

887
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:50.440
directly. And now when you talk
about that, like, are you like,

888
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:52.000
oh, wrestling is the best I
did? I went to Hawaii for

889
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:58.360
a week or is that just one
of like so many memories And you're I'm

890
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.000
pretty I'm pretty good about stopping,
you know, smelling the roses sort of

891
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:07.119
thing. I realized and recognized at
every juncture that was pretty lucky to be

892
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.519
where I was and to experience what
I was experiencing and to see what I

893
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:14.800
mean, even look, we travel
up the coast and Mount Fuji would be

894
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.960
sitting there in the you know,
in the distance, but not so distant

895
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:20.159
that you couldn't see it, and
you're just you just sit there and you

896
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.880
go, holy crap, that's freaking
gorgeous, you know, or you'd be

897
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:27.840
driving up into into a guido and
supporting you know, the snow would be

898
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.320
falling down and it's just the most
beautiful landscapes. And I mean, and

899
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.920
they just people just treated you so
well, you know, they they just

900
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.679
they were they were kind, and
they were friendly, and they were um,

901
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.760
you know, they were appreciative of
you as an athlete. They didn't

902
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.440
you know, no, no,
at no time did you ever get all

903
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.079
you know that stuff's fake or they
just you were a sportsman and they treated

904
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.920
you like that. Even though it
was professional wrestling. You were no different

905
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.920
than you know, one of their
sumo guys. It was. It was

906
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.360
pretty amazing stuff. And you would
go out and they would you know,

907
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.159
you know, they called the service, right you you know, people would,

908
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:05.360
people would take care of you and
and they were just so appreciative just

909
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:10.519
to be with you somewhere. And
the sponsors, yeah, the sponsors where

910
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:14.880
they provide for you. And right
hey, the shows are ad free on

911
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.920
Patreon. This will be our last
break stick with us. We'll be right

912
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:23.360
back as you. I think he's
slowed down because you always had this plan

913
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:29.119
of like, I'm in pharmacy,
But was there a point of realization of

914
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.199
just like, wow, this is
kind of winding down. I'm gonna go

915
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:37.599
back to I'll be I'll be the
pharmacy guy. I think it's um So,

916
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:42.880
it's a two pronged deal. One
is just the nature of trying to

917
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:46.960
succeed in this world and make serious
money and do really well. And that

918
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:50.599
wasn't you know, the rest of
the world wasn't my place. I wasn't

919
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.000
that wasn't going to happen. I
wasn't six six, I wasn't two eighty.

920
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:57.760
I didn't have I didn't have the
tool. I wasn't gifted the tools

921
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.960
to be the superstar, you know. I was gifted some other stuff to

922
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.400
be where I was at, and
I was okay with that. So if

923
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.000
I was gonna do anything special,
was going to be outside of the rescue

924
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.519
business. But then the other prong, which is a more hurtful one.

925
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.280
Your body just starts not being able
to do what it did. And you,

926
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.800
I mean, I don't care who
you are, it's inevitable, right,

927
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.199
um No, you made you.
He's not not for Ric Flair,

928
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:27.559
maybe not for Ric Flair. But
you know, I mean and we all

929
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:30.400
we all have one more match.
I mean, in my head, I

930
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.599
could get out there and wrestle again. And then if I go out there

931
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:36.519
and I do that and I go
to take a bump, I embarrassed myself.

932
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.159
I did. I did a couple
of matches not too long ago.

933
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.599
I'm sixty six now, so this
would have been, you know, four

934
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:46.320
or five years ago. I'm in
the ring and yeah, I'm taking a

935
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:50.960
bump, but I'm taking it and
I'm going down in sections you know where

936
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:52.679
where I used to just I mean, I used to splatter. I didn't

937
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:54.800
take a bump. I didn't take
a bump as good as some of the

938
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.239
Japanese kids who just used to.
I used to say they splattered because they

939
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.400
went down so far ass and hit
the canvas so hard and you just got

940
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:06.760
this amazing pop when they went down. It was just it was so quick,

941
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:10.440
and it's just I love that.
I think it was um Terry Gordy's

942
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:15.079
cousin, Richard Slater, Okay,
yes, sladdic Richard. Yeah he was

943
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.920
a Noah guy. But all Japan
before that, yeah, yeah, I

944
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.119
mean, and you'd come off the
ropes and ed him hit him with tackle

945
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:29.199
and unbelievable. I mean he just
damn just right down and so fast.

946
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.400
You're like, holy crap. Yeah, when you say that, I picture

947
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:36.199
like different coaches being like attack the
mat. That's what I hear it attack

948
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.480
the mat. Yeah, that sounds
familiar. Well, but I mean that's

949
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:43.960
so you couldn't do that at a
sixty two. I couldn't do that at

950
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:45.360
sixty two. I definitely can't do
it that. I know. I can't.

951
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.719
Your mind tells you you can,
right, I mean Terry, you

952
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.079
know, Dorry Functional comes over to
Japan and uh gets in the ring.

953
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:58.480
Yeah, I don't want to do
that though. Two things for me and

954
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.440
I really I really hit heavy on
this when I was a kid to myself

955
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:06.719
because I saw I saw people trying
to hang on too long. I said,

956
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:08.079
I'm not gonna do that because I'm
not gonna embarrass myself. I'm you

957
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.480
know, if if I can't have
a decent match, I'm not gonna do

958
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.400
it. And I've actually gone against
that because I probably should have stayed out

959
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.079
of the ring the last time I
was in the ring. But the second

960
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:21.000
thing is is just hanging around the
business I don't. You know, people

961
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.880
say, hey, you do watch
this if you you know, did you

962
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:24.400
go to a raw it was in
town last night, or like, no,

963
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.719
I don't want to be I don't
want to be that guy. I

964
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.840
don't want to be that guy who
you know was hanging outside of the dress

965
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:34.840
room and hey, you know how
you doing right? Used the russ right,

966
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.079
Yeah, yeah, I get it
for sure. Yeah, I just

967
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:42.239
I thought that was always made me. It just always made me sad when

968
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.920
I was a younger kid and I
would watch some of the quote unquote old

969
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.880
timers hang around still. Well,
I mean, it's great that you were

970
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.480
at the Iowah Hall of Fame,
the National Wrestle of Hall of Fame.

971
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:57.280
So like, what's inspired you to
come here? I guess I came here

972
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.719
last year. Jerry Briscoe told me
about it. I mean a few people

973
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:01.360
told about Jerry. Jerry said,
hey, you need to go, and

974
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:05.039
I said okay, and I came
up here and on I had a good

975
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:10.079
time. Number One, Jerry and
I have a history. He's considerably older,

976
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:13.320
and I'll remind him of that every
day. But you know, we

977
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.719
have a history that goes back to
the early seventies. So you know,

978
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.400
we're talking fifty years worth of knowing
each other when we were kids. He

979
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:22.840
was an older kid. But when
we were kids, I didn't like him

980
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.559
and he didn't like me, and
we talked about that all the time.

981
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:29.280
Well, we just we didn't like
each other. We were jerks, um

982
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.280
to put it nicely. Yeah,
And then you know, as you get

983
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:36.400
older and you start talking and yeah, now I was realized, you have

984
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.480
a lot of comments. We have
a lot of comment Our history is a

985
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:42.280
lot of the same stuff. Just
growing up in Tampa. You know,

986
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:46.000
his brother, Jack was phenomenal.
He was Jack was a sweetheart, and

987
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:50.000
you know, I knew him real
well through my dad and um, so

988
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.239
Jerry and I've become pretty good friends. And when he came up here the

989
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.400
first time last well it wasn't his
first time. When he came up last

990
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.239
year, he said, hey,
you know, you need to come up

991
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.599
to this thing. This thing is
pretty good. And then you know,

992
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:00.840
then I got here and it was
nice to see some of the people I

993
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.719
hadn't seen for a while. Yeah, that's great. And and Dan Gabele

994
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.400
was like this, yeah, mega
hero of mine. Back in the early

995
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:13.159
seventies, when he you know,
when he took gold in the seventy two

996
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.159
and um, I have a chance
to which was which was an awkward meeting

997
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:22.400
because I'm looking at him going hey, um here ago it was like a

998
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:23.920
hero you're you're a hero of mine, I was hero of yours. Well

999
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.239
somebody was a hero of somebody.
And he was looking to be going,

1000
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:30.800
oh that's nice. Yeah, yeah, I need to go now. And

1001
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.639
at that at your age, you
don't maybe you're like, well, my

1002
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.280
days of feeling these feelings are probably
behind me, right and then boom here

1003
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.519
you are like being nervous to a
man. It was Dan Gabele. I

1004
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:45.440
appreciate you coming on. This is
so nice to talk to you. Parting

1005
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:51.880
words scan the rest in business,
stay time, I'll go to a good

1006
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.079
go to a good school. I
don't spend two thousand dollars again. Nowhere

1007
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:58.760
you still if you want to do
that, send me two thousand dollars school.

1008
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.159
You're starting a new one. But
yeah, it's a post office box.

1009
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.719
When I asked Joe what he'd like
me to plug, he told me

1010
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.840
to convince someone to start a gofund
me for him so he can retire.

1011
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.800
But I would say, maybe donate
to cancer research so cancer can be cured,

1012
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.320
and then he'll be out of a
job and forced to retire. About

1013
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.159
that. We got another show next
week, but before we leave, I

1014
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:34.480
do have some plugs and coming my
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1015
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.599
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1016
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just for the Patreon twice a month. Last month was with Chris Cubis.

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This month was with Ian Ricabani and
we listened to calls and we gave our

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thoughts for different tiers. I'll also
send you a vinyl sticker every month,

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and I will handwrite your envelope and
I will give you a very fun nickname.

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Check out older episodes of Wrestling Anonymous
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grab some Merchcultmerch dot Com, brand
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new comic book signed by me and
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pictures up there. Leftover stickers from
the Patreon micro brawlers, they'll be gone

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soon. The usual fun it's all
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TikTok, and YouTube. That's all
at Coldcabana. I'm on Twitch all

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the time playing games. I just
started Fortnite, Twitch dot tv, slash

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Coldcabana Cult Wrestling at gmail dot com
is my very public email. That's where

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you can hit me up for shows, conventions, or any business or non

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business stuff. Send me something fun
to my po box, which can be

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found at the bottom of my Websitelcabana
dot com. Upcoming events this week,

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I'll be at the Gathering of the
Juggalos Tuesday, August ninth, Championship Wrestling

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in Irvine, California. Of course
the nineteenth through the twenty first at the

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Monkey Barrel and then bro Scotland.
Come see me and John Hastings at the

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Edinburgh Fringe Saturday September three. I'll
be in Mesa, Arizona for Party Hard

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Wrestling's final show. September tenth,
I'll be at the Mall of America for

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First Wrestling Saturday Night trow and October
first, i head back to one PW

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the Doncaster Dome, where I will
team up with my buddy mister Burridge,

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and we will become Team Shag once
again. Podcast cover art designed by Jimmy

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Lee. Photo by James muscle White. Thanks to our forever sponsor, One

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Hour Tease dot Com. They help
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where you can buy all of my
shirts and cameo style video messages called shoots

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right over at Pro Wrestling Teas dot
com slash Cold Cabana. We'll be back

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next week with a wildlive show,
and then we got shows in September and

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October. Stay subscribed. The podcast
was never gone and it's not going anywhere

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anytime soon. As long as I
could sit down with some people that I

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think are super interesting, the show
will go on. This has been the

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art of wrestling for Cold Cabana.
I'm Cold Cabana. Thanks. I guess

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maybe your back off very easy,
just chit chat. I want to say

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hello. Tell me what you had
for breakfast this morning? You hear your

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levels? What do you think I
had for breakfast this morning? What am

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I? I'm a Jew? What
did I have from boxing? Bagels?

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Well? I didn't have locks,
but I didn't have a bagel I was

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given when I was a kid,
my dad would sing, bagels, bagels

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two for five. That's what keeps
us Jews alive. Can we can?

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I keep that as the start of
this whole thing. If you want a

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bagels, bagels two for five,
that's what keeps us Jews alive.