1 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:24,320 Spanning the entire globe, involving hundreds of different cultures, explaining the same phenomenon 2 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:31,960 by different name the nature of the footprints, namely their remarkable consistency, their 3 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:52,799 biomechanical appropriateness, you know, those aspects that are are extremely compelling. Hey, 4 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,880 guys, welcome to the big Foot Influencers. My name is Dna Hellerin 5 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:00,560 and I'm Tim Hollen. Where you have throwed you're hair? Yep? Absolutely, 6 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,319 we have a very special guest today. We're super excited to have credible 7 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,400 Heater on as our influencer, and we do just want to apologize for the 8 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:15,200 last podcast where basically the camera fell off the table during the podcast. So 9 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Tim did some clever editing and fixed it the best that we can. So 10 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,200 now we actually are using a new camera. I like, actually my darker 11 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,439 hair in this camera, Like yeah, what do you think we looked tan? 12 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:32,879 And we looked dark and handsome irish. It's actually like this camera better, 13 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,159 so we so hey too, why don't you tell them about the book 14 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:40,000 giveaway? Oh yeah, so a couple of things we've got going on. 15 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:45,599 So if you head on over to the big Foot Influencers, uh, sign 16 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,560 in, you'll see a thing that pops up the website on the website bank 17 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:51,879 Formpleasures dot com. Thank you, you're welcome. We're gonna giveaway a book. 18 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:56,959 I think we're announced it next week on the thirty first. I think 19 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,319 we'll have we're schedule have Matt Pruett, so we'll do it right before Matt 20 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:05,519 Bruit's recording. That'll be his recording. Actually not when it goes live, 21 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,759 but right right, and so that'll be fun. So I'm excited to have 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,719 Matt too. So we're going to make sure you go to the Bigfoot Influencers 23 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:15,080 dot com and you can see how you can enter for a free autograph book. 24 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,479 A free autograph book. Which book is it? Though? Matt's? 25 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:23,879 Are yours? Oh? I'm sorry. Make sure you tell them baby book 26 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:30,560 so somebody can win a free book. And I don't even know if I 27 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,759 told you this. Okay, So, yes, he's always keeping things from 28 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:40,039 me. Yesterday I completed I can't tell you who the first interview for book 29 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,479 number two. Mm see, I didn't know that you were always hiding stuff 30 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:47,000 from me. This is what happens when you have busy lives. Yeah, 31 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:50,879 when you're working on this, Yeah, you learn things while you're on your 32 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:54,080 podcast in front of a camera. So you're not going to tell everybody who 33 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:58,719 is? Are you going to tell me who it is? Later? Yeah? 34 00:02:59,039 --> 00:03:04,319 All right, you better You're not going to get any dinner. So 35 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:07,840 everybody, let's go ahead and introduce our guest. Yeah. So Craig, 36 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:14,960 Craig Willheater has just just an amazing guests that we're having today. Craig's been 37 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,400 around. I think his story goes back to when he was about ten years 38 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,680 old he had a fascination with the subject and then being from Texas, you 39 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,400 know, there's just a lot of things that had happened historically down there that 40 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:32,400 he followed. And in nineteen ninety four, Craig had his own sighting, 41 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:36,599 which we may possibly talk about. Oh my god, well we definitely have 42 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,000 to talk about. Yeah, I mean most folks have heard it. But 43 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,560 and then he's just done so much throughout history, not only in a state 44 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:46,439 of Texas, but but he's touched, you know, touched this subject globally. 45 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,520 So I'm just super excited to have him here and we're going to bring 46 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:57,560 him in. Yay, Hey, Craig, welcome to the show. Hey, 47 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,960 it's the Holler runs. It's the haller. That's right. How are 48 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,199 you guys doing today? We're doing good. How about you? Well, 49 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:12,240 it's sweltering here in Texas. I mean all week it's like one hundred four 50 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,720 hundred and five hundred and six hundred seven. Yeah, we were, we 51 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,000 were in Missouri a couple of weeks ago, and we flew we flew from 52 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:25,279 U Springfield, Missouri to where was it, Dallas? Dallas, and I 53 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,680 remember getting there and looking at my iPhone and the temperature was like one hundred 54 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,560 and eight. I'm like, what, that's crazy. I mean, thank 55 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,800 god we didn't have to leave the airport and then we just flew home to 56 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,120 Philadelphia. But I was like, boy, these taxes people, man, 57 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,879 they got a lot to deal with over there in the summer. Huh. 58 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:42,759 Well yeah, but you know, we typically don't have to deal with the 59 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:47,120 you know, the h as much cold weather and snow and ice as you 60 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,160 guys do. So that's true, that's true. Well, it is, 61 00:04:51,319 --> 00:04:54,600 it is. It's a good it's a good. Well, we actually don't 62 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:57,560 deal with too much snow because I'm really close to the ocean and that kind 63 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,800 of like keeps us warm here. But yeah, I hear you, honey. 64 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,000 So we don't. But every few years, Craig, we have like 65 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:13,519 you know, and that's fun. Tim doesn't like the snow. I like 66 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,360 the yeah, because guess he's shoveling Craig d Dana. Yeah, right, 67 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,120 so she loves it. I hate it, that's why, because snow equals 68 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,079 work. I'm inside all warm, making soup or something, and he's or 69 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,800 you're out, you're out sledding and yeah, we don't have a yeah, 70 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:36,800 definitely cool. So hey, so why don't you like because before we get 71 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,319 into all the big foot stuff, tell us about some of your interests. 72 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:44,879 So I know you have like interest in like cars and dining out and travel. 73 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:49,040 Well, you know, cars are a big part of my life. 74 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:54,519 I've always been, you know, going back to you know, teenage years, 75 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:00,480 you know, building hot rods and and such and so, you know. 76 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,639 And I was involved with a local car club, the Lone Star Miata 77 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,480 Club. I had a a Miata that I fixed up quite a bit and 78 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,680 was involved with the club and led you know, runs with you know, 79 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:21,199 lots of cars, and and I host here in Jefferson annually a Miata event 80 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:27,079 in March. I call it Marched me out of madness, and uh, 81 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:30,600 there's four generations of Miatas, and so it's kind of like the final four, 82 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,240 you know with the car show, you know, coming down to a 83 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:40,519 best in show, which which Miata is the best. So we do that 84 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,519 and then you know, I have several other Bigfoot related events that I that 85 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,680 I host throughout the year that that requires you to travel as well. Yeah, 86 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,639 I haven't done as much here lately, but I used to travel, 87 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,639 you know, the whole circuit, you know, the Pacific Northwest. I 88 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,879 came went to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, you know, going way back to 89 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:08,959 the first year that I went was in two thousand and I went almost every 90 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:15,079 year up through twenty fourteen and just I haven't been back yet. I've been 91 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:17,959 meaning to get up there, but you know, I'm going to the event 92 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,759 that's here in the Dallas Fort Worth area in a week and a half, 93 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:30,480 the Dogman Cryptid Conference that the Paranoral round Table's putting on. And so I 94 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,879 do travel to some events, and not as much as I used to. 95 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,079 Like I said, I used to, you know, go to all of 96 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:42,959 the ones and in you know, British Columbia and Pacific Northwest, and northern 97 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,160 California all that stuff, and even you know, I used to attend the 98 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:57,959 big Foot Discovery Days and felt in California there near Santa Cruz, and uh, 99 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,800 you know, I've done a lot of networking over the years, is 100 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:03,720 matter of fact. That's how I got the idea to start the Texas Bigfoot 101 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:07,240 Conference. Was I attended, you know, in two thousand, attended the 102 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:13,800 Ohio Bigfoot Conference there, and you know, I was very new into Bigfoot 103 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:18,680 research, you know, like only one year into it, and decided that 104 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:24,120 you know, there was nothing like that in Texas that you know, I 105 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:26,720 was like, I bet I can, you know, I bet I can 106 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:31,840 put together something like this. And so I started planning and and you know, 107 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:37,600 I really felt a sense of camaraderie there in Ohio, and so I 108 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,000 planned the first one. Unfortunately, my first one was on September fifteenth, 109 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,600 two thousand and one, which was four days after nine eleven, So had 110 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:50,919 you know, guest speakers that weren't able to fly in and such, but 111 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:56,480 we still managed to pull it together on the Saturday after nine eleven, four 112 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,759 days later, and we still had about one hundred and thirty five people that 113 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,279 it's ended that day. Wow, that's pretty good. Yeah, Craig, 114 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,679 I will say something about the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. So Mark the Worth thinks 115 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,279 the world are you so I can tell you that And since you stopped coming 116 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,159 in twenty fourteen, there's something you're missing out on. These guys that are 117 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:22,720 there every years. Hollerns are always there. Why aren't Why aren't the Howards 118 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:26,440 down here in Texas? I know, have a hike for us, Like 119 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:31,279 we drive to Ohio, takes us like what eight hours? Well with you? 120 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:33,879 Yeah? With me? Well you can fly to Texas and three hours. 121 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,600 Yeah, I know, I savings. I hear you. Maybe won't. 122 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:45,480 Maybe he'll convince us by the end of the show. Well you're you're 123 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,279 missing out on a good time here. We're going to get into that later 124 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,240 too. Yeah. Absolutely absolutely. So then so that was cool because that 125 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:56,799 was definitely one of the questions I wanted to ask you was about founding the 126 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,519 tb r C. Well, it's still a little different than the oh is 127 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,799 it? Oh? I thought that was the conference the TV Oh okay, 128 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,159 what does that mean that? Well, that's great, the great Another great 129 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,960 question for you though, Well, that's that's a research organization. I co 130 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:16,679 founded in nineteen ninety nine the Texas Bigfoot Research Center, where myself and Luke 131 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,600 Gross we banded together. We met online in one of the you know, 132 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:28,840 back in the late nineteen nineties, you know, there was not that grade 133 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,399 of a presence a Bigfoot on the internet. There were message boards and forums 134 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:39,080 mainly, and you know that's where I went to after you know, having 135 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:46,360 my personal siding in nineteen ninety four. It was just something that happened and 136 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:50,919 didn't really talk about it after getting home or you know, to anybody really 137 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:56,559 until I got you know, met people on the message boards and told my 138 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,600 story and you know met people and you know, started talking to people and 139 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,240 you know, met a gentleman, and then we decided to form a research 140 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,440 organization and put up a website with a sighting report submission form and you know 141 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,960 joined the team people that wanted to get involved, and it just kind of 142 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:22,279 took off and so, you know, it was it just a really cheap, 143 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:28,519 angel fire free website, but we started getting reports in and started going 144 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,159 out and doing investigations. We focused on the four state region of Texas, 145 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:39,960 Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana basically where we could drive and investigate a report 146 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:45,039 on site, you know, within a day's time. And so that was 147 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:52,200 our focus those four states and just built a following and you know, started 148 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,799 hosting the conference. Very cool. So why why do you think, Craig, 149 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:03,559 that Texas is such a hot spot for bigfoot sightings? Come down here 150 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:05,360 right now and you'll see why. It's well, I kind of know the 151 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:09,360 answer. I just want you to share it with the audience. So well, 152 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:16,759 you know, veteran researcher and investigator John Green surmised that you know, 153 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:24,000 you you sasquatch reports increase in areas where you have more than twenty inches of 154 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,440 annual rainfall, and here in East Texas, you know, we have approaching 155 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:37,360 fifty to sixty inches of annual rainfall. And you know, for any wildlife 156 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:39,360 you have to have three things. You have to have a food source, 157 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:41,039 you have to have water, and you have to have cover. And we 158 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:46,360 have that in abundance here. And you know, while there's I think, 159 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,519 you know, Texas is pretty high up on the list of sighting reports that 160 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:58,559 are reported. You know, there's the vast majority of them are in the 161 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,559 eastern third of the state, where it's heavily forested. You know, lots 162 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,399 of rainfall. You know, people think of Texas and you know, if 163 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,120 they've never been here, probably their reference is watching the show Dallas back in 164 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:18,519 the eighties and nineties, and you know they see tumbleweeds and prairies and and 165 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,159 uh, you know, far West Texas is like that. But East Texas, 166 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:28,519 you know, I remember the first time that was traveling with John Bendernoggle, 167 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,279 doctor John Bendernoggle, from the you know, from Vancouver Island and driving 168 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,080 with him out here and he said that, you know, the once we 169 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:43,559 entered the piny woods of East Texas, it reminded him of the Pacific Northwest. 170 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,519 And you know, it's lots of you know, lots of trees, 171 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:54,039 lots of evergreens, lots of water sources. You know, it's it's, 172 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,360 you know, a good habitat for you know, sat watch. And then 173 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,799 do you guys have bears there in that area? Well, bears are coming 174 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,879 back into East Texas. They were here before, but you know they do 175 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,759 come in to East Texas. You know, they you know, they don't 176 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,039 just like I figure Bigfoot, they don't recognize state boundaries and say, oh 177 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:26,240 no, we're leaving, you know, we're leaving Southeast Oklahoma. You know, 178 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,720 we can't cross we can't cross over into Texas. You know, there 179 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:33,759 aren't any bear in Texas. No, there's there's bear here then and they're 180 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:39,799 seen ever so often. You know, that's an interesting story to talk about. 181 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:46,799 As far as our research back fifteen years ago, you know, we 182 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:54,799 were contacted, well, we had a research operation where we had game cameras 183 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:01,639 in several places. We also up in southeastern Oklahoma we had the Texas Bigfoot 184 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:07,399 Research Center and then the you know, we reorganized as the Texas big Foot 185 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,720 Research Conservancy in two thousand and seven. But we had game cameras and we 186 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:18,159 had hair snares that were set up, and you know, there was so 187 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:26,360 many you know in Southeast Oklahoma, especially black bears that you know, they 188 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,840 would you know, basically attack our cameras. They can smell the petroleum products 189 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:33,960 in there and were attracted to it. And so we had to get you 190 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,480 know, steel plate bare you know, camera boxes, bear boxes to protect 191 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,399 our equipment, and uh, you know, we had hair snares set up 192 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:50,799 and we were you know, collecting bear hair samples is the you know what 193 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:58,320 we really got a lot of and we Texas Parks and Wildlife actually contacted us 194 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,840 and one uh you know us to send uh you know, hair samples bear 195 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:10,960 hair samples to them so they could use DNA to test where the bears were 196 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,759 coming from. You know, we actually you know, collected samples also in 197 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,600 Texas, in Southeast Texas, and so we you know, we worked with 198 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:26,080 that governmental agency. We worked with several governmental agencies which you know people may 199 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:32,840 not know, but with our camera trap project that we had cameras also done 200 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:40,799 in the Big Thicket of Southeast Texas, and that was you know, maintained 201 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:49,879 governed by the National Park Service, and we had to submit an application for 202 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:56,639 a permit. But we submitted applications for permits to do a camera trap study 203 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:03,119 looking for Bigfoot, and the now National Park Service actually issued us permits for 204 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:08,640 that project. And you know it was we had to submit, you know, 205 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:17,160 a copy of each photo that we obtained, and we also had to 206 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:21,480 you know, submit an annual report of our findings, you know, and 207 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:25,640 then you know, would they would issue us another another permit for the next 208 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,599 year. But we worked, like I said, in conjuncture with the National 209 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:34,079 Park Service there in the Big Thicket. We at one time had cameras in 210 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:44,680 sam Houston National Forests that we were working with the permission of the Is that 211 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,319 the US Forest Service? I'm pretty sure it's US Forest Service. We also 212 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:55,039 worked you know the Famed Area as that was actually land that was governed by 213 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:03,240 the Nature Conservancy that we worked with permission there. So I mean we worked 214 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:07,519 with government agencies. As a matter of fact, when we were working down 215 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:15,319 in the Big Thicket, we went to we had a with like over twenty 216 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,519 people down there and use their research laboratory, which was you know, a 217 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:26,400 lab with a laboratory and you know, bunk bunks and laundry facilities in a 218 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:36,200 kitchen that accredited scientific research organizations organizations were allowed to use. And when we 219 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,000 went to go submit an application for that, there was a drop down list 220 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:48,440 on their website of the organizations that were already in their database. And when 221 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:53,640 we went down the drop down list, the Texas Bigfoot Research Center was in 222 00:18:53,759 --> 00:19:00,279 their database of research organizations that were approved to use that facility. So we 223 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,480 had so cool. We had use of that facility with a lab and everything 224 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:11,400 to base out of for operations there. And so I mean, you know, 225 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:18,000 I feel that we were fairly well respected with the you know in the 226 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:25,759 scientific community. Uh you know, the what began as that organization continues their 227 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:33,960 operations now as the the North American wood Aide Conservancy. Myself, I really 228 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:41,200 don't do any research of any kind anymore. I still follow up, you 229 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,319 know, reports, and we investigate, you know, sidning reports that come 230 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:52,000 in, but not involved in any large scale research or you know, operations 231 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:57,680 anymore. They have continued that work with you know what they're doing. And 232 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,880 so, uh, like I said, my my skills are an organization, 233 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,480 you know. And I wasn't an outdoorsman, you know, I was a 234 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,279 boy scout when I was a teenager. I wasn't you know, military or 235 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:18,359 you know anything like that, a wildlife tracker. But I assembled a team 236 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,839 of people that had all those other skills that could do those types of things. 237 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:29,920 And and so that's the deal. And then I resigned from the organization 238 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:37,559 in twenty ten to focus on personal life and business. And then you know, 239 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:47,680 they went on to to rename their organization and continue their their research and 240 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,359 uh so you know, I still do the annual conference. I do several 241 00:20:52,359 --> 00:21:00,880 other events that you know, like I said, I went to foot conferences 242 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,079 earlier on and and networked and made friends. And you know, some of 243 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:07,480 the best friends in my life, you know, are friends that I've met 244 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:12,200 through Bigfoot. And I've always told people that, you know, at least 245 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:18,920 fifty percent of this is the camaraderie. So, like I said, yeah, 246 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,599 we definitely agree with you on that one, Craig. We've met a 247 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,160 lot of great people in this field, sure, and you know there's a 248 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,839 lot of it. You know that, you know in the trenches that a 249 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:33,599 lot of those friendships were formed. You know, we had people that were 250 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,920 out there, you know, hiking in the swamps. As a matter of 251 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:45,079 fact, one of your past interviewees and a speaker at my Becoming Bigfoot conference, 252 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:52,960 Darryl Collier, actually came down with the dysentery from hiking in the swamp. 253 00:21:53,079 --> 00:22:00,799 I mean, how does that happen? Well, when you're submerged them 254 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,240 water with you know, bacteria, viruses whatever in there, you know you 255 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:12,480 can contract that stuff. I mean we've had personnel on missions that have contracted 256 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,720 lime disease, you know, being bitten by ticks or whatever. I mean, 257 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:21,640 it's right right. I just felt like you needed to drink the water 258 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,720 to get dysentery. But maybe even if it's a splash or drop that gets 259 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,359 Yeah, well I had a theory, but I won't mention it. It's 260 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,599 right, audience, I'm not sure if related. I don't even want to 261 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,799 think about that. Anyway, Craig, I have a question to ask you, 262 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,240 so, you know, before we get into all the other questions, 263 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,559 let's get let's give everybody because I know everybody knows who you are, but 264 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,480 we also have some new viewers that are just newly into the Bigfoot world and 265 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:56,200 they want to learn about you. So let's just pretend that you haven't told 266 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:02,400 the story a thousand times. Can you tell us about your your What got 267 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,240 you interested in this subject was obviously your sighting. So let's hear about your 268 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,680 sighting that you had. Well, it goes back to when I was a 269 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:15,720 child, okay, and actually it was before I was ten years old in 270 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,839 you know, I'm telling how old I am. But in the summer of 271 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:26,200 nineteen sixty nine, there was a famous case here in you know, Texas 272 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,559 that wasn't far from you know, DFW as a matter of fact, is 273 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:36,200 you know, took place probably you know, less than twenty miles from downtown 274 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:41,000 Fort Worth. Was the case of the Lake Worth Monster where this upright bipedal, 275 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:47,400 hair covered creature was seen. Really, the summer of sixty nine was 276 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:51,920 you know, it was a you know, just a flurry of sightings. 277 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,519 You know, it was seen by hundreds of people, and it's generally regarded 278 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,799 as the you know, one localized creature that was seen by the most witnesses. 279 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,799 I mean, it was seen by law enforcement personnel. You know, 280 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:12,400 this area is now a nature reserve, wildlife park in nature reserve. But 281 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:17,079 back then it was just like you know, the lover's laying out at the 282 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,680 lake. Teenagers would go out there and you know, drink and make out 283 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:27,480 and and this creature, you know, jumped on somebody's car and scared them 284 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:32,720 and scratched the car and you know they tore off into town and talked to 285 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,599 the police. And you know, so that summer it was seen many many 286 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,039 times out there at the at the lake, lake Worth, which is, 287 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,920 like I said, less than twenty miles northwest of downtown Fort Worth. And 288 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,680 you know, I was interested in strange stuff as a kid and my grandparents. 289 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,880 You know, it was actually on the front page of Fort Worth Star 290 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:03,400 Telegram July tenth and July eleventh articles written by Jim Mars about this creature that 291 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,559 was seen out there and we're talking, you know, we're nine ten days 292 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,799 away from man landing on the Moon for the first time on July twentieth, 293 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,960 nineteen sixty nine, and the front page story was about this monster scene out 294 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,119 at the lake, you know, which was just incredible. And you know, 295 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,640 I had a scrap book, and my grandparents lived in Fort Worth and 296 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,319 subscribed to the newspaper, so they saved, you know, the the articles 297 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,359 for me. And then shortly thereafter I ran across a book written by a 298 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,279 local woman who was following up on these reports and wrote a book and self 299 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:45,160 published it, a woman named Sally Ann Clark, And so I was, 300 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,400 you know, that was into it. I'd read a book by John Keel 301 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:53,519 the next year called Strange Creatures in Time and Space. You know, five 302 00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:59,000 years later he would write the book The Mothman Prophecies. But this book came 303 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,240 out in nineteen seven d and I traded it for some kid at school. 304 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,079 It had a cool cover, It had a Frank Frazetta artwork on the cover, 305 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,599 and I traded a kid. I don't remember what I traded it but 306 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,160 I traded for that book. And then a couple of years later, I 307 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,839 saw the Legend of Boggy Creek and it's theatrical release here in the Dallas area. 308 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,880 And uh, you know, I live out in East Texas now out 309 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,839 here where I hold my events, but in Jefferson. But you know, 310 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,480 my whole life I lived in my whole adult life, I lived in Dallas 311 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,559 Fort Worth, and so that was really something. And then you know, 312 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:33,319 I was a boy scout in my teen years and we're out camping out in 313 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,680 East Texas and you know, it was always you know, the foulk Monster 314 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:42,200 was going to be around or whatever. So but you know that kind of 315 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,920 I kind of outgrew that. I wasn't really a lifelong you know, Bigfoot 316 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,680 fan until you know, May thirtieth, nineteen ninety four, I was coming 317 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,160 back on you know, driving We had taken a road trip me and it 318 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,920 was twelve people total to New Orleans for a Memorial Day weekend and you know, 319 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,680 five different cars and so we all caravanned out there. But on the 320 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,160 way back, we you know, everybody left whenever they needed to go, 321 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,680 and I was the last car to leave with my girlfriend and a friend that 322 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,599 lived in the same building that I did. And we set out from New 323 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,319 Orleans about nine o'clock on Monday night. And you know, when we drove 324 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,640 down there, it was in the daylight. Well now we're driving back in 325 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,920 the dark, and the road we were on it was just a two lane 326 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,279 you know, highway was now a desolate road out in the middle of nowhere, 327 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:41,079 unlit. And you know, as we're driving, I had a little 328 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,720 suv at the time, a soft top, had the top rolled up. 329 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,680 It was May thirty if the temperature was really nice, and my friend was 330 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:52,799 in the back sleep seat asleep, and we're entering, you know, coming 331 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:59,440 up through central Louisiana, and in my headlights, my girlfriend and I see 332 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,119 a figure off to the right of the road. You know, this was 333 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,759 a nineteen ninety one vehicle, so the headlights were you know, just the 334 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:14,279 sealed halogen beam. They weren't great. But we saw an upright figure off 335 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:15,880 to the right of the road, no more than about twenty feet from the 336 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,359 edge of the road. And as we get closer and closer, you know, 337 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,200 for maybe the I don't know, six to eight seconds that we saw 338 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,319 it at speed, we certainly saw more detail as we got close and it 339 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,519 was, you know, an upright bipedal figure covered in hair that looked grayish 340 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:41,640 in the lights. And it was actually walking parallel to the road. You 341 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,400 know, I don't know, you know, I've always said that, you 342 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,559 know, I don't know exactly what it was, but I know what it 343 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,519 wasn't. I know, it wasn't a burned out tree stump. It wasn't 344 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,200 a horse or a cow. It wasn't a guy in a hunter in a 345 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,440 gilli suit, wasn't a prankster in a gorilla suit. I mean, you 346 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,799 know, in my mind, there's only one thing it could have been, 347 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:11,759 and that was a you know, a big foot. And so he Craig 348 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:14,880 wasn't walking towards you or away from you. No, it was walking parallel 349 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,480 to the road. So you're driving on the road, right, We were 350 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,200 driving on the road, so it's back was to us. And as we 351 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,799 passed it and saw its left side profile. But so it didn't even like 352 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,160 jump off the road as you were passing by. Oh no, it didn't 353 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,039 even deviate from its path. It didn't look up, it didn't do anything. 354 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:41,000 Wow, that area was darker than dark, you know, without lights 355 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:45,680 on so it didn't seem to startle it. It didn't, you know, 356 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,440 I'm sure if it you know, there were you know, we didn't see 357 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,799 any cars on that road, I mean because it was you know, at 358 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:57,599 this time, it was about eleven to eleven thirty at night. And where 359 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,880 exactly were you when you We were on Highway seventy one, which, incidentally, 360 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:15,200 once you pass Interstate twenty into Shreport, it becomes the road that bisects 361 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:21,359 South Arkansas between Shreeport and Texakana Highway seventy one. It's just a different stretch 362 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,920 of it. But it was about thirty five miles southeast of alex Alexandria, 363 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,160 Louisiana. As we were approaching a very small town called Bunky. As we 364 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,400 drove into town, you know, it's eleven thirty on a Monday night on 365 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,480 Memorial Day and Bunky is a lot smaller back then than it is now. 366 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,400 But you know, there was nothing. You know, it's one of those 367 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,440 towns where the sidewalks roll up at night. I mean, there was nobody 368 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,799 out. There was nothing open. So we just slowed down through town and 369 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,880 on the way out there was a you know, a small country church, 370 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,000 a Methodist church, turns out that we pulled into the parking lot of that 371 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,680 church and discussed what we had saw. My girlfriend and my friend was still 372 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,359 asleep in the back seat, and you know, as we had seen it, 373 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,960 you know, as we passed it, we both looked at each other 374 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,720 and said, did you just see what I just saw? Simultaneously and and 375 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,559 we agreed that we had. And I said, well, what do you 376 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:25,200 think you saw? And she goes, I think I saw a big foot. 377 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,720 And I said, well, we've got to stop, and she's like, 378 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,119 blank blank, no, We're not stop because you know, we're basically 379 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,160 in an open convertible. Not that you know, a soft top with vinyl 380 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,640 windows is going to do anything if it's down, but you know, the 381 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,720 top was rolled up because the weather was so great. So that's the thing. 382 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,799 We've talked. Stopped in the parking lot at this church, talked for 383 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:53,319 about ten or fifteen minutes. You know, it had a light pull with 384 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:59,319 a you know, an argone gas light on in the parking lot. And 385 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,720 then we got back on the road. We had my friend in the back 386 00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,839 seat that was asleep, had to be at Worth the next morning, and 387 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,599 we still had at that point, you know, I'm guessing five and a 388 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,440 half hours to go to get to Dallas. So we got back on the 389 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,519 road and we didn't really talk about it on the road. And that's the 390 00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:22,839 other thing. This happened in ninety four, and we didn't really talk about 391 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,400 it after that. It wasn't something it's something strange that happened to us. 392 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,920 I mean, you know, I would watch you know, documentaries or anything 393 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,880 came on you know TV, but you know, didn't really tell anybody until 394 00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,519 I got internet. I didn't get internet service, and you know, kids 395 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:47,720 nowadays are like what you know, until July of ninety seven. I was 396 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:52,599 thirty seven years old when I got internet access and the probably the first thing 397 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,519 I looked up was you know, Bigfoot and Bigfoot in you know, the 398 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,000 Texas area, and found you know, a community your people. I mean, 399 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,039 like I said, much smaller than it is today because there was just 400 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,720 like message boards. I think the bfr O had a you know, a 401 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,680 bare bones website up at that time. But I started talking to people on 402 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,759 message boards and like I said, to meta gentleman, and we started the 403 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:22,680 TBRC that takes Bigfoot Research Center in June. It went live June of nineteen 404 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:28,039 ninety nine, and you know, the rest is kind of history. We, 405 00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:31,480 like I said, started collecting reports and people started wanting to get involved 406 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:36,359 what we were in. And the next year we went to the Ohio conference 407 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,599 and I've decided, you know, I'm gonna I could put do one of 408 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:47,200 these. And while Jefferson is an ideal location, the fact that there are 409 00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,720 reports all in this area, I mean Cattle Lake, which is the only 410 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:58,079 natural lake in the state of Texas, is very very close. Big Cypress 411 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:06,200 Bayou flows through town that feeds into Cattle Lake. And so while it's an 412 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,199 excellent area, but the reason it's here in Jefferson, the Bigfoot Conference and 413 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:14,840 why I live here now is because my parents bought a bed and breakfast in 414 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,400 the late nineties here in Jefferson, and my mom was on the events committee 415 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,519 for the Bed and Breakfast Association. So when I decided to put together an 416 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:30,280 event, you know, I used the resources that I had, and you 417 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,679 know, my folks helped out my mom and stepfather you know, here in 418 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480 town through you know, from two thousand and one to two thousand and eight 419 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:45,440 when the first run that was in Jefferson. And so that's why it's here 420 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,519 in Jefferson. That's why now Jefferson is the Bigfoot Capital of Texas. I 421 00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,000 wrote a proclamation and submitted it to the mayor, and the mayor signed it, 422 00:34:53,039 --> 00:35:00,519 which was actually the third proclamation that I had gotten. The first one 423 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:05,880 was in two thousand and five that the town themselves took it upon themselves to 424 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:12,039 write a proclamation. At third weekend in Jefferson in October is Texas Bigfoot Weekend, 425 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,079 and that's generally when we hold the conference. And then they did one 426 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:21,840 in twenty sixteen, you know, celebrating the fifteenth anniversary of the Bigfoot Conference. 427 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:28,039 And then in twenty eighteen the one that made Jefferson proclaimed Jefferson the Bigfoot 428 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:35,079 Capital of Texas. As a matter of fact, I'm going next Monday to 429 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:44,280 the County Commissioners Court meeting and I'm presenting in county it's a resolution, a 430 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:51,920 county resolution to have Jefferson declared that it's a basically a safe habitat for Bigfoot 431 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:59,320 this county, Marion County, Marion County, and Jefferson. So I'm going 432 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,559 to do that. I mean, the town has really uh, you know, 433 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,000 gotten behind it. You know, there's many stores here in town that 434 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:13,039 carry Bigfoot merchandise and and a lot of the restaurants have you know, bigfoot 435 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:19,920 net themed items on the menu, and so you know, it's really kind 436 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,440 of gotten into its Craig, who have you I took advantage while you're coughing 437 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,960 to jump in? Uh? Who? Who have who attended? You know 438 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:31,480 from two thousand and one to two thousand and eight? Can you share, 439 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:36,320 like some of the folks who were you know, were president attended or spoke 440 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,960 or spoke? Yeah I spoke, yeah, Oh if I don't need to 441 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,039 be on camera, I've got a whole list of I've got a list of 442 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:51,239 the speakers every year. You know that's fine? Well, I mean doctor 443 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:58,199 John Bender, Nigel Lauren Coleman, John Kirk of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptosology 444 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:07,559 Club, doctor Jeff Meldrum, Chris Murphy. You know, I co curated 445 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:16,360 a Bigfoot museum exhibit with actually the University of Texas that was there one of 446 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,559 their campuses, the University of Texas at San Antonio, that one of their 447 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:27,360 campuses as a museum, the Institute of Texan Cultures. And in two thousand 448 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:34,559 and six we put together a two thousand square foot Bigfoot exhibit titled Bigfoot in 449 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:40,920 Texas question Mark. And we had four half day conferences the duration of that 450 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:47,480 exhibit, and we brought down Peter Byrne in two thousand and six. Now 451 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:52,920 that was the basis, you know, the the Pacific Northwest Expeditions, and 452 00:37:53,559 --> 00:38:00,639 you know, we're financed by Tom Slick of San Antonio, and and he 453 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:06,920 had Peter Byrne working for him on the Yeti expeditions in the late fifties and 454 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:13,440 you know, the Himalayas, and when he started up the Pacific Northwest expeditions 455 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,559 looking for Bigfoot. And you know, I'm not sure exactly when that started. 456 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:21,679 It may have been fifty nine, but it was certainly, you know, 457 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,039 sixty up until Tom Slick's unfortunate death I believe in sixty forty, died 458 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:31,679 in a plane crash at forty six years old, multi millionaire. But you 459 00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:37,599 know, Peter Byrne had worked for him, and actually at that first inaugural 460 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,960 conference that we did in San Antonio and six at that museum exhibit, like 461 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,360 I said, Peter Byrne brought him in and spoke and Tom Slick's niece had 462 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,920 just written a biography about Tom Slick, Katherine Nixon Cook, and so she 463 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,599 came and did a book signing at the museum of her of her book, 464 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,679 you know about Tom Slick who financed those expeditions, and you know, Peter 465 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:07,599 Byrne was there and it was a really cool event. But like I said, 466 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,920 brought in Jimmy Chilcut, who was a latent fingerprint expert the Conro Police 467 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:19,480 Department who examined had the largest collect had the largest collection of non human primate 468 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:27,079 you know, hand and footprints, and was a fingerprint expert and examined bigfoot 469 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:31,000 cast and found you know, dermal ridges in these casts. He spoke Rick 470 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:38,480 nol veteran bigfoot researcher from the Pacific Northwest. You know, we had a 471 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:44,519 ton of people in, you know, over the years, her doctor Henry 472 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:52,320 Ferrenbach, and and then we reorganized as a five h one c three nonprofit 473 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,199 and you know, at that point it wasn't dependent on just me. You 474 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,360 know, I was the director of the group, and I organized the conference 475 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,880 and everything was then done by committees and and other cities in East Texas started 476 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,679 you know, soliciting us to bring their the event to larger venues larger cities, 477 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,199 they you know, courted us to come. But you know, going 478 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,599 back in two thousand and five, which was the web most attended conference that 479 00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:24,719 we ever did, we had a lot of publicity on around that conference. 480 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,840 We had a seven page cover spread in Texas Monthly magazine that you know, 481 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,480 that issue had the Dallas Cowboys chaerleaders on the front and on the cover, 482 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:40,239 and you know it's you know, Bigfoot in in East Texas question mark on 483 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,920 the cover, and it had a whole big article on the wrestling von Erics, 484 00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:52,079 who were a Texas phenomenon, but they were you know, popular worldwide. 485 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,280 And then a seven page spread you know with Bigfoot Conference and the Bigfoot 486 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,719 Research Organization and and all that. We had a two page spread in Texas 487 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:10,199 Highways magazine. We had numerous television stations and newspapers out there at the conference. 488 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,039 That year. We had you know, we had a feature on the 489 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:20,800 front page of the Lifestyle section of USA Today with a photograph of Ken Gerhard 490 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:27,719 holding up the cripple foot Bigfoot cast. The picture in USA Today that weekend 491 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,119 it was a crawler on CNN. You know, Bigfoot Conference in Texas draws 492 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,679 hundreds Oh, that's amazing. I mean that that that year two thousand and 493 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,519 five was really something special. And I mean we had, you know, 494 00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:50,519 just a laundry list of big names. Kathy Moskowitz, Strain, Jeff Meldrum, 495 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:54,800 Jimmy Chilcot, Chris Murphy. You know, I can't, you know, 496 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,400 off the tip of my head, I can't even list all the people 497 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:01,239 that were. There was a two day conference. We drew well over five 498 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,599 hundred people. And it was, like I said, after that, other 499 00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:12,840 cities wanted to bring the event there, and so it left Jefferson for two 500 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,840 thousand and nine went to Tyler. The thought amongst the committee was that you 501 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,559 know, Tyler was fifty times as large as Jefferson and had you know, 502 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:29,920 universities, and so that it would draw more attendance, and it really didn't. 503 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,639 Here's one person that we brought to town in two thousand and nine. 504 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,679 We brought not only Bob Gimlin to town that year, but our keynote speaker 505 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,719 was he wrote this googler real quick. He wrote the snow Leopard. He 506 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,880 was Peter Mathison. Peter Mathison came and spoke at our Bigfoot conference, you 507 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,280 know, and it written about the YETI before and had huge interest, and 508 00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,320 somebody else was talking about that. Who else was talking about that? Somebody 509 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:07,519 else that we that we have interviewed, probably Darryl call your probably, I 510 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:13,719 think it was Darryl. Yeah, and Matt's next week. Matt's Yeah, 511 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,719 y'all are doing Matt next week. They're both speaking, Matt and darl Let's 512 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,599 get into that. So so let first tell us when to tell the audience 513 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,239 when the date is. In two thousand and six, it didn't hold one 514 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,960 because we were involved in San Antonio and held four mini conferences and couldn't. 515 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,599 I didn't want to try to put a part of my French half assed event 516 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,440 together, so I just didn't do a conference that year. We had the 517 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:46,280 event in San Antonio that ran from April through August and with four half day 518 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:54,079 conferences and so, you know, two thousand square foot museum exhibits. So 519 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,360 it was pretty you know, it was a lot of work leading up to 520 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,039 that, because you know, we supplied most of the stuff for the event. 521 00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,679 You know, they got you know, they got a copy of this. 522 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,679 They borrowed Rick Knowle's copy of you know, his copy of fiberglass copy 523 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:15,280 of the Schookum cast that John Green made two copies of he made he made 524 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,719 a direct copy and then he made the you know, the inverse of it. 525 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,480 So he had a positive and negative one, and one was John's and 526 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:28,039 one was Rick's, and so Rick shipped his down here. We had the 527 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,480 replica of the Scuokum cast hanging on the wall in the museum. We even 528 00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:36,880 had Ben Radford, a skeptic. We had one weekend where we had Lauren 529 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,360 Coleman and Ben Radford. I think that's probably the only Bigfoot conference that's ever 530 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:47,360 been that actually invited a skeptic to speak, So we you know, had 531 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:55,280 somebody speaking on both positions that weekend. But so this year it is October 532 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,159 twentieth and twenty first, we've actually had of our six speakers, four of 533 00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:05,800 them are females, which I don't know that that's ever been, you know, 534 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,880 the case at a Bigfoot conference. That's certainly you know, two thirds 535 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,519 of our speakers are female. We've got can you recall who they are? 536 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:20,760 Oh? Sure? Sure. We have Ashlyn Brown, who is a geneticist 537 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:28,000 who has interested and had childhood encounters on their on their farm, and his 538 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,320 set of three nonfiction books but she's also a you know, a DNA scientist, 539 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:40,719 a geneticism Shelley Covington, Montana who is a hardcore researcher. She generally 540 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,519 spends four months out of the year in the Pacific Northwest solo camping in the 541 00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:55,119 Pacific Northwest conducting Bigfoot research and trying to get DNA DNA evidence. We have 542 00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:02,599 Sabella Irwin who is a BFR O and she's also a bfr O field investigator. 543 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:07,360 She's also she may be the curator for Texas for the BFR but she 544 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:15,960 also leads expeditions and she is an eyewitnessed sketch artist that she talks to eyewitnesses 545 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:20,599 just like police sketch artists, who goes back and forth and takes their description 546 00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:24,480 of what they encountered, what they saw, and and sketches that for the 547 00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:30,760 witness We have, like I said, Matt Pruitt and Daryl Collier, Matt 548 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:37,599 Pruitt who just wrote the Phenomenal Sasquatch and Darryl Collier speaking as well as Maria 549 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:44,079 Mayor from Expedition Bigfoot. You know, she's a NAT GEO speaker. She 550 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,000 is hosted Matt Geo show. She's you know when the cast members on Expedition 551 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,760 Bigfoot, and she's you know, she's a primatologist. She you know, 552 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:59,679 is hailed as the female Indiana Jones. She has, you know, her 553 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:06,639 biography that she wrote is you know, from pink boots to a machete. 554 00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,760 She you know, was a was a Miami Dolphins cheerleader. She's from Cuba, 555 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,960 went back to school, she got a degree in zoology, primatology, 556 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:22,800 and she's actually discovered a species of lemur in the rainforest of Madagascar. So 557 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,079 I mean she, you know, she's not just you know, somebody who's 558 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:32,320 on Expedition Bigfoot. I mean she's you know, she is a scientist, 559 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,679 and she is a you know, she is a world explorer. She's a 560 00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:40,599 member of the Explorers Club. I mean she is, uh, you know, 561 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:45,000 pretty awesome, you know, personal friends with Jane Goodall. That's our 562 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:50,079 our you know, our lineup of speakers for this year. You know, 563 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:58,400 we've got a private catered dinner Friday night at a local restaurant where with the 564 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:04,079 speakers, and there will be a special presentation there at that dinner Friday night, 565 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,159 and then Saturday there's the conference all day and then we also have a 566 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,800 you know a VIP portion where we have a catered dinner by local barbecue restaurant 567 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:23,519 that's excellent Texas Barbecue, and there'll be another special presentation at that event. 568 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:30,480 Also that these these two special presentations are not repeated during the conference itself. 569 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:36,320 So you know, I urge people that want to get the full experience, 570 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,719 you know, to try and come both Saturday during the day and Friday and 571 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,880 Saturday nights to see everything that's there, and you know they'll get a chance 572 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,159 to sit down. We have the opportunities who you know, sponsor a speaker 573 00:48:53,159 --> 00:49:00,360 where you can actually sit at the speaker's table during the dinner and the presentations 574 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,639 on Friday and Saturday night, so you actually you know, seated at a 575 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:10,239 table for eight. So there's seven opportunities to people for people to actually sit 576 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:16,800 down with you know, Maria Mayor and and you know pick her brain about 577 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,639 Bigfoot or lemurs or you know or being a mom of six kids. You 578 00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:29,920 know, So there's you know, opportunities to you know, actually sit and 579 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,159 carry on one on one conversations with these these speakers as well as you know 580 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960 meeting them and listening to them talk, and you know, by you know, 581 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:43,239 getting a book or you know whatever from them, but to actually sit 582 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,480 down and have dinner with them and commiserate about bigfoot research. So there's a 583 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,840 lot of cool opportunities at the event. It's uh, certainly not one of 584 00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:57,320 the largest Bigfoot conference. I have a building, you know, have a 585 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,079 building that has a set building capacity, and it's the largest one here in 586 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:06,000 Jefferson, and uh, you know, once we reached our capacity, that's 587 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:10,840 it. So you know there's been years where we've had it stuff to capacity. 588 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,159 As a matter of fact, well it's five years ago. We it 589 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,960 was over capacity for Bob Gimlan when he was here for his eighty seventh birthday. 590 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:23,280 We had a birthday party for Bob Gidlon had a birthday cake, big 591 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,679 foot birthday cake, and we've pended him with a really nice I don't remember 592 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,559 what brand it was, but a really nice eight hundred dollars pistol for his 593 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:36,480 birthday. And and uh, you know, the building was packed and I 594 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,840 you know, I had to turn people away at the door that year. 595 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,079 But it was a really special event. And so you suggest people to buy 596 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:49,199 tickets ahead of time. Yeah, so I mean there, you know, 597 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,760 it generally sells out online ahead of time. You know, just like the 598 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:59,239 Ohio conference. He usually sells out the first day, the first fifteen minutes. 599 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:04,679 You know, you have a limited capacity for that lecture room, you 600 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,199 know, just like we do. I mean, you know that makes that 601 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,920 makes the big Foot the Ohio big Foot Conference so special. Is also where 602 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:21,159 the conference is held. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's amazing and 603 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:22,719 there are sightings there in the park. As a matter of fact, I'm 604 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,440 trying to remember what year it was, but I actually saw not a big 605 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:35,000 Foot, but I saw may have been twenty thirteen, coming back from dinner 606 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,679 because we always used to go eat at Theo's. Yeah, we're still doing 607 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:45,000 that. I love I love Theo's. They have awesome pie, they have 608 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:51,760 awesome they have awesome everything. Yeah. But but coming back, you know, 609 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:58,639 late at night driving actually saw a mountain lion a cougar across the road. 610 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,599 At first I thought it was a deer because it looks so big, 611 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:08,960 but then it actually ducked under it was it was crossing the road where there 612 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:15,000 was you know, a guardrail there and you know with the wooden post and 613 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:21,320 then the metal rail. It actually ducked under the rail to go and It 614 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,000 didn't leap over, you know, like a deer would have jumped over, 615 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:30,599 But this thing slunk under the guardrail, and you know, and I definitely 616 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:34,599 saw its long tail in the headlights. It wasn't a bible and it had 617 00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,119 a long tail. So, I mean, there's there's plenty of wildlife there. 618 00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:43,000 I know there's been bigfoot reports. I've never experienced anything. I mean, 619 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,679 I've only been there for the conference when I've gone, but I did 620 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,039 see, uh, you know whatever you want to call it, a puma, 621 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,119 a mount lyon a cougar, But I saw that in the park on 622 00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,679 the way to the lodge. On the way to the lodge, I wanted 623 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,800 to get back to you and your your conference too. Of course, we 624 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,079 talked about Ohio all day. If we want to, so will you will 625 00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,280 you have vendors there and things like that, so can the publish. You 626 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:13,079 know, we've got we've got vendors that you know are certainly not the amount 627 00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,719 of vendors they have up there, but we have people with you know, 628 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:22,880 bigfoot arts and crafts and shirts and you know, stickers and you know, 629 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,880 all kinds of stuff. Plus the speakers will have you know, tables with 630 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,880 their books and their stuff that you know, Matt will be you know, 631 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,639 signing and selling copies of his new book. I'm sure Maria will be signing 632 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:44,440 copies of her book. She's got a book, a book that just came 633 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:51,440 out not that long ago, that was written about her that's illustrated, like 634 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:58,639 animated, illustrated book about her life. So there'll be you know, vendors 635 00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:02,320 there with with cool stuff uf and like I said, day Long talks, 636 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:08,480 great food and special presentations, and like I said, getting really getting a 637 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:15,039 chance to rub shoulders with these these speakers. You'll have access to go up 638 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:19,920 and you know, talk to them at their tables, like I said, 639 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,079 the opportunity to sit down with them at dinner and talk, so you know, 640 00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:29,800 you can, you know, have those types of opportunities and to enjoy. 641 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,159 And there's plenty of stuff. Jefferson is a great little town. There's 642 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:39,800 all kinds of antique shops and boutiques and good restaurants and you know, fudge 643 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,159 shops, and and there's a nature trail where we do have one of those 644 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:50,239 big six foot statues out on the big Foot Statue, and then we have 645 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,360 a nature trail where there's others to be wonderful than too, right, and 646 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,800 sure at that time of year it's it's a lot nicer than it is right 647 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:04,239 now. I feel like we need to go for the last couple of years. 648 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,960 I know, Craig, but I don't like hot weather. It's October, 649 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,480 it's gonna be nice. Okay, look up on the weather channel. 650 00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:14,159 See what their prediction is. Okay, I mean, I mean the Farmer's 651 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,840 Almanac is predicting an extremely cold winter. And while it won't be winter yet, 652 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,719 surely it will have come cooled down by then. And what are the 653 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:29,000 dates again, Craig, October twentieth, twenty first, and then generally on 654 00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:35,559 the twenty second, the Sunday. We generally we do well. We sometimes 655 00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,840 do both of them, but we generally go and have lunch out on Cattle 656 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:44,719 Lake with the speakers and some of the friends and the volunteers and such, 657 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:51,239 and then and you know, special friends like you guys would probably well, 658 00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:57,119 I bet get an invitation. Data would surely get an invitation. I don't 659 00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,679 know about Tim, but yeah, you know, I guess if you're bringing 660 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,920 it down, I guess, yeah, if you're bringing if you're bringing her 661 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:12,000 down for the event, then we could probably let you in. You might 662 00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:15,760 have to set out on the patio. So the best yeah, the car 663 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,960 wait, so the best place for how do people buy tickets? Well, 664 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,320 the tickets are on the fright, but you can go to Facebook. Look 665 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,639 up, you know, twenty twenty three eight Texas Big Foot Conference. There's 666 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,440 uh, you know, an event page for it there with all the information 667 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:39,519 the speakers, their bios, you know, linked to event bright to get 668 00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:45,199 your tickets. I've also organized and hosted the Foul Monster Festival coming up next 669 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,639 year in April. Uh Foul because only is less than an hour away from 670 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,880 Jefferson. We typically, you know, maybe take a caravan up to Foul 671 00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:59,280 for people that have never been there to see, you know, where the 672 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,039 Boggy Creek was filmed. That's a good places to go eat, cool and 673 00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,320 well, I think you might have convinced. Let it go downstairs and look 674 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,639 at my calendar on the fridge and see what's going on. We'll go ahead, 675 00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:19,079 go ahead and take a pin or a sharpie and circle those dates. 676 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,760 Don't pencil them in, ink them in. You get a big permanent marker. 677 00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:27,639 Yeah, and you guys definitely should come down. We want to. 678 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,679 Yeah, we do you come down. I'll let you get up for five 679 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:39,480 minutes and talk about your show. Oh so, there you go. You 680 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:44,400 have been awesome this you were like Creek's like the coolest dude ever. We 681 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,400 loved you. Craig, You're awesome. Thank you so much for sharing all 682 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:51,880 your information about what you've done over the years with the subject. And we 683 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,840 look forward to meeting you in person. Well yeah, you know, you 684 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,880 guys included me and as one of the big Foot big Foot influencers, and 685 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:05,199 so it's been awesome having you on the show. And we're gonna have to 686 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,960 like really really consider the octobers. We have to meet in person in two 687 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,400 weeks two months, I mean all right, all right, thanks very good, 688 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,880 Thanks Craig, Thank you so much. Anny, have a great night, 689 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,360 and we look forward to the meeting you in person. Yes, and 690 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,400 you have five minutes to talk about your show in front of everybody. Yeah, 691 00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:27,559 yeah, thanks, say so you can write it off as an expense. 692 00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:35,000 There you go, Thanks Craig, Bye bye bye. He's a cool 693 00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:39,400 dude, consider Texas he wouldn't become the last couple of years. And and 694 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,880 we're always looking for something new and fun to do and we haven't saying that. 695 00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:45,800 I know we need to get away as a couple, not necessarily as 696 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:51,239 a big foot conference like a romantic, like beachy kind of thing. But 697 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:53,760 it's a lot of fun and it's cool that we both have the same interested 698 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,920 to hang out with some friends. Yeah, so that could be really people. 699 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,199 And it's definitely always fun to go to these events. I have to 700 00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:04,280 tell you, Like, if you're into the big foot thing, going to 701 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,000 one of these events is just like it just really opens your eyes a lot 702 00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:10,719 to what's going on in the world a big foot and you get to talk 703 00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:15,760 to people who have witness stories who wouldn't necessarily want to share them publicly, 704 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,679 but you know, you sit next to them at the dinner and they're telling 705 00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,840 you their story and you can tell them your story. So I definitely recommend 706 00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:27,199 a lot of common minded people, which is fun. Yep, it is 707 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,639 fun. We thank you guys. Make sure you go over to the Untold 708 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:35,519 Radio network you know, like this, like and subscribe and subscribe, go 709 00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:40,320 back and check out last week's episode. On Wednesday night on the Main on 710 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:47,079 Doug's Untold Radio show, Alex high Check and his girlfriend and Lease hosted themselves 711 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:51,239 without dougs. So go back to last week and watch that. That was 712 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,480 a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. Until next time, 713 00:59:53,519 --> 01:00:31,679 We'll see you guys.