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Dan Kaplan, longtime sports business reporter
for decades, helped start the Sports Business

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Journal, has been at the Athletic
is now freelancing for Awful announcing front office

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sports amongst others. Really appreciate Dan. He just wrote the article last week

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kind of looking at the totality of
the UFL season, looking at attendance,

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looking at TV ratings, all of
that. What is the viability kind of

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going into season two for the UFL. So get Dan's thoughts on all of

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that sort of stuff. You have
the marketing of the league, should they

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be focusing on the player fifty four
angle, Lots of good stuff with Dan.

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Always appreciate him spending his time.
And then of course Partrafino, longtime

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guest friend of the program with analyzing
educate over on YouTube full UFL playoffs preview

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as well as lots of news and
notes. This week, we have a

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new fantasy sponsor for the league,
a new Kretum, Cradam whatever you want

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to say, a sponsor for the
league that's above my pay grade. But

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lots of you UFL stuff coming with
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this is exciting. We do a
check in with this gentleman at least

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once every kind of XFL and USFL, and now we have the UFL.

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Here we have Dan Kaplan now with
Awful Announcing, formerly with the Athletics Sports

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Business Journal of decades here of kind
of covering sports business. Dan, how

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are you doing, sir? I'm
great and I in addition to Awful Announcing,

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I'm write for Front Office Sports and
other publications. Yeah. I got

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hooked into one of their email subscriptions
now and I love that. I get

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that every day. I really enjoy
that. So if all of that and

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that crew over there, I feel
like a lot smarter person reading about the

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in and outs of like the WNBA
TV deals with Caitlin Clark or whatever.

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I do think it's interesting stuff.
Yeah. No, they do a great

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job. So Dan, we're here. You had an article up here.

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We'll pull up in a minute talking, you know, Okay, can the

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UFL survive here? Coming to you
know, going into season two? Coming

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out of this first off, I
don't think we've talked to you this kind

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of since this whole merger came around
and with Redbird and Fox and everything.

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What do you make of this new
United Spring Football League. Well, I

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have to say the TV numbers have
been to me is surprisingly good. Uh.

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I think they ended up the regular
season at about eight nine hundred thousand

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average viewership, which is something like
two three hundred thousand more than the average

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of the other the league's had separately
last year. So that's a that's a

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good number. Now. The caveat, of course, is that most sports

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are up sports sports viewership. I
mean it's the NHL, NBA, NF,

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the NFL, I mean you name
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UH, women's college basketball. The
numbers are are all going going up.

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But still, I mean, for
for essentially a new league, UH with

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with a product spring football that has
had so much trouble over the years,

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to pull an eight nine hundred thousand
that that's that's real viewership. Now.

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The question that you know, I
had people asking and the story is what's

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next? How do they how do
they proceed? And I had one person

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talking about the quality of the play
he was he threw some shade at it,

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but uh, the years two and
three of these leagues are always the

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tells year one. There's there's a
lot of enthusiasm, people are checking out

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the new product. Whether they can
sustain that and improve that's uh, that's

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the big question in terms of and
the the interesting point you brought up here

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because I wanted to talk about TV
ratings as well, but you talk all

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sports being up, and so is
this uh testament just there on better networks

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and so just more people are happening
to be tuning because we saw these experiments

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last year, you know, Okay, h F s one on a Monday,

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or the XFL was trying to do
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Peacock and all these things. Is
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people are probably looking for sports and
they're stumbling upon it. Although that being

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on Fox and ESPN is a big
boon, and the XFL was on ESPN

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last year as well, so there
is there is a lot of exposure.

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But sports consumption, sports viewership is
up across the board, and I'm not

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saying that to deflect, And there's
a significant increase in the UFL's ratings versus

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the USFL and the XFL's rats.
I mean, we're talking twenty thirty percent

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jumps that you know, an increase
a few percentage point increase in sports viewership

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doesn't explain that away. So kudos
to the UFL. They did a great

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job where I think the one of
the one of the problems they have,

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as you as you've written about is
attendance. Attendance is a big issue outside

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of Saint Louis. I mean,
I guess Washington has decent numbers, but

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when you have stadiums that aren't filled
or venues that aren't filled, that's not

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an appealing TV product. And I
think not having the players in the mark

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gets during the week, doing community
outreach, doing the sorts of things all

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sports team sports teams that have home
markets do. It's hard and probably the

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transition from the merger so quickly into
the season just a few months gap,

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probably hurt marketing efforts. You put
those two together, it probably explains a

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bit the low attendance. That's something
they'll have the whole off season, assuming

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there is a year or two that
they'll have the whole off season to work

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on. But they need to get
fannies in the seats. We get a

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lot of these comments in here.
We talk every week on our money recaps

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about that and people, and I
completely understand that the money got you know,

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brought in at the gate is a
fraction of what they're getting off of

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you know, the TV ads.
But like you said, talking about you

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know, the appealing TV product on
that, how big is it a deal?

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Because I look at it as just
another metric of it. Is there

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a local interest in this product?
And when we see Michigan averaging or Memphis

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averaging six thousand people a game and
this is the second season, you know

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USFL or UFL, I mean they've
been in that market two years. That

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tells me like, Okay, maybe
there's a national appo for a football product,

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but there might not necessarily be a
local interest in the Memphis area.

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But we saw during the pandemic year
in the NFL when they played in empty

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stadiums, and I realized, Memphis
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TV ratings went down that year and
people were I mean it was a pandemic.

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People were home. People did not
like seeing empty stadium games played in

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empty stadiums. They just wasn't the
excitement and if you've got six thousand.

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I don't know what the venue size
is in Memphis, but when you know,

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when you see stadiums that are barely
filled, you're the reaction is this

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isn't important. If the locals aren't
into it, why should I be into

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it? And so give the UFL
some distance here. Because the merger of

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Court so close to the start of
the season, it probably didn't get their

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local marketing efforts in place like they
would have. And but I do I

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do think this issue of the teams
not being in their home markets during the

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week where they're they're they're at the
hub in Texas. I think that that

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that that I know it saves money, but you know, getting players out

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into the community, doing promotions like
that, particularly for a minor league,

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that that that is that's pivotal of
getting people into the seats. I have

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a question, yeah, talking about
costs or money's spending coming up here?

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Back to the tv rangs for a
second before I forget, because it has

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been a tremendous increase this year,
right and we've seen you, Mike with

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Fox Sports sweeten out all the time. Oh you know, thirty percent here

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and all that. You know,
to me, this is the best of

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the best. Right, We've given
all all the games, for the most

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part, the best windows we can. They're mostly on Fox or mostly on

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ABC and ESPN. So to me, if we roll this back out next

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year, you're not going to see
those same increases, right to this is

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kind of the one year. What
do you in terms of looking at the

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next year, because they unless something
really catches fire, I don't see another

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thirty percent a year over year game
here. That would be unlikely. I

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think you saw the thirty to forty
percent gain because you've merged the two leagues

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and you've got the benefits of that. They were last season you had the

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game spread out among the two leagues, and they were maybe some fans were

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confused about what was what. But
now you've got the two leagues merged and

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there seems to be some enthusiasm there. But I it'd be hard for us

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to see a thirty to forty percent
increase next year. I mean, if

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they had a goal, I would
imagine it'd be five, ten, fifteen

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percent increase. How they do that, I think they have to generate enthusiasm

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in the local marketplace and they probably
need to make try to make some of

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these players more of a brand name. They need to market around players a

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little more, not just right now, it seems like they're marketing the UFL

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and the UFL people and the people
in the NFL always say people don't follow

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the shield, the NFL shield,
they follow teams and players. It probably

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needs to be a little more push
around that in your and the It's okay

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if you don't have an answer for
this, but just kind of in your

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general life. To me, even
last year when there was some overlap of

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the XFL and the USFL, I
said, I guarantee you you know,

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three out of five or six people
aren't sitting there. Oh well, this

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is like they're just a football is
on. I'm watching. They're not oh

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okay, well this is the one
that's owned by Fox, or this is

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the one that's owned by the right. You know, it's just kind of

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spring football. Now we're it's the
UFL. Do you sense that that there's

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any loyalty or is it just hey, there's football on in the spring,

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I'm trying to watch content on a
Saturday, or like it's a really brand

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loyalty in that wall. Well to
get spring football clearly can pull in five

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hundred thousand to a million viewers.
That's been proved the last couple of years.

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Whether that builds enough of an economic
case to keep these this league around

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for the next for the foreseeable future, only Fox and Redbird and Joinne Johnson

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can can really can really answer that. But you need you need to build

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brands around the teams and the players, and it's and it's tough. This

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has been the problem spring football all
along is if a player gets good enough,

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they move on to the NFL.
So how do you build brands around

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players who, if they get big
enough, are leaving. So it's a

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catch twenty two. You want that
top player who's playing great and people want

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to tune in and see, but
then they don't stick around. So this

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has always been the conundrum for Spring
football in terms of marketing it as a

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business, as as a product that
people want to view and consume. In

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terms of local franchise ownership, which
is always kind of been the eventual goal

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of these and especially USFL, and
trying to hey, we put these teams

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supposedly in markets where receive future and
we've talked with the FedEx guy, you

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know in Memphis, he's kind of
interested. Withever, like, what would

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one of these teams have to look
like, in your opinion, for someone

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to actually want to seriously get involved
in spending money to have private ownership.

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Well, let me first say that
the sooner they get to private ownership,

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the better, because the private ownership
will do that marketing. I mean,

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because then it's not the UFL marketing
Memphis, the UFL marketing to you know,

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the Panthers in Michigan. It's the
there's the dedication at the local level.

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If you have an individual ownership,
then presumably the teams are there year

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round or least during the spring.
You move away from the hub system,

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which, as I've suggested, may
make cut expenses, but it doesn't do

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much for marketing in the local in
the local markets I imagine there. The

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UFL's game plan is a three to
five year horizon to sell, to sell

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these franchises individually mls. I mean
they have the unitary holding structure, which

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is the team's owned by by the
league, and they eventually went to selling

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franchises and it's been It took a
while, but you can we can see

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now. I mean, the franchises
go for hundreds of millions of dollars.

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I don't know what a UFL team
would go for. I would suspect it

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it would be tens of millions of
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can't emhersays enough. As sooner they
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and having vested interest in marketing that
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goal is, you know, this
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or ten whatever if they want to
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if they want to add teams or
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Michigan Panthers pull seven thousand fans,
it's like whether am I am I buying

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the trademarks? Am I buying you
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the UFL is going to sell,
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what that ownership would look like where
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with you know, Fox and Red
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you know everyone else that's involved in
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of like cooks in the kitchen.
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to keep that franchise in that market. They may want to move it to

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league's not in Seattle. That was
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other than that it was a geography
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running the women field, right.
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original plan back in twenty twenty,
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kind of just the center cut of
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post the map like where are you
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Alabama, and that's kind of all
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had teams in La New York and
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successful in terms of attendance of the
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was extraordinarily successful. It was a
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with competing with Saint Louis in terms
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that in that two point oh XFL
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you need fans in the seats,
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level. So I get that.
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in the stadium, so if it's
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a big vociferous fan base. Well, we were talking too about wanting an

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market or including the LA market would
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able to spike a little bit more
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we moved a team to Canton,
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to really feel like you're you're moving
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when the XFL went to a press
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before the XFL two point zero launch, and Vince McMahon, I guess

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we can say his name. He's
before before he was completely discredited, he

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talked about putting the teams in larger
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survivor that it was going to last
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question is if you're not if you're
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the teams because you don't have the
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the week, how do you do
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season for the uf L to see
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getting back to ownership, getting getting
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a team president of each of each
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the game. That would be a
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about from Max. One of our
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get to uh real quick. Are
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not getting the players? You know
obviously with the travel and everything, and

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you know we're maybe at best we
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and kind of hit a couple,
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the game or whatever. But like
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I took my wife to the game
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in the stadium, you would not
know that the exit the UFL exists,

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the XFL conference, you know,
champions are there, that that's the base

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of the UFL. Like I mean, even just in that market, around

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that Texas Rangers stadium there you have
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signage and banners and things like.
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exist in one of the sports meccas
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of that area, and you would
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Well that that was the That's the
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that you get drowned out. You
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time professional sports, that don't have
the NFL. So it's a debate.

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other way although New York and l
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guess was, if the league had
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have dissolved and those teams moved elsewhere. So but yeah, I mean it's

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tough. You're playing where the Cowboys
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the same area. And uh,
it's that's it's a big market. I

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mean you have to a certain point
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small business. Uh, when you
in professional sports, they only have so

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much advertising budget, they only can
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that you're not going to go from
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if they could send some of these
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promotional events, community events. I
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market, the players are out all
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You're not getting that with UFL.
And the UFL needs that. We

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talked about off season marketing and I
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you know, a plan here.
And I don't know if that's a you

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know, June eighteen or seventeen,
you know, the day after the championship

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came on, or if we pick
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don't know what that looks like.
I know the XFL last year, you

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know, they laid off a lot
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Wanted them to be seasonal employees.
Max here has a question. You have

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a firm like Redbird, who has
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they translate like what works for what
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club in terms of marketing and comedity
engagement, creative marketing. Why do they

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seem so hesitant to dump that same
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where obviously they know it works,
they know they're going to you know,

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they see returns on it here as
it just well, we don't want to

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spend as much money in this because
it's not as lucrative a property. Well

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to lose with me, it's a
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you have a team in a sports
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you can market, you can market
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a year round. I mean this
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league. Uh, you know,
abbreviated schedule, and you don't have expenses

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are are are high? I mean
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wrote it's expensive to run a football
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there's travel costs, there's equipment costs. I mean, player costs are not

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that big in UFL, but they're
they're there. So I don't know how

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much they're making from television. I
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reported they were they were getting a
rights fee from ESPN, But how much

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that is and how much they're getting
from advertising, And they're clearly outside of

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Saint Louis not getting much from attendance
from ticket sales. Uh, the people

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I talk to figure they're losing that. I mean, it's not surprise,

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but probably lost tens of millions of
dollars this year. So I mean redbird

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looking at that, I mean they're
private equity. Private equity usually has short

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term investment horizons of you know,
three to five to six years. They

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get out. They don't want to
keep throwing good money after bad. I

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a couple quick ones here before we
get you out of here. I appreciate

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your time. You had a quote
from Eric galco here, a friend of

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the show formerly you know, the
DPP over with XFL twenty twenty and he's

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with the Shrine Bowl and everything now. But I thought it was interesting.

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This is this debate of like marketing
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players in and want to move on. But then you have the players in

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the league that are maybe the sub
NFL guys, but wanting to make sure

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that it's a place that they can
play. We've talked about that. We

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had a long discussion on the show
Monday about you know, you need to

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get to the place where people can
kind of make careers out of being in

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the UFL, even if then they
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What do you make of that?
It just kind of the general long term

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vision. We had Darryl Johnson on
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want the UFL to be a developmental
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that's even possible to not be.
But what do you make of this long

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term vision for the UFL. Yeah, I mean it's sort of muddy.

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What you know, what what is
it a developmental league? Is? If

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it is it? What Galco's point
about Dwayne Johnson the Rocks is h mantra

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that it's for the fifty fourth player, that that that is the player the

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first player cut from at fifty three
NFL roster. Galco's point is that that's

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that's that message is sending, is
this is not a NFL caliber play.

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This is this is me, this
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that seems self evident. But his
point was that that's not a message you

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should be sending. And it's it's
it tells, it tells perspective players who

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might want to be on an NFL
roster that this is not the place to

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go. I don't know if that's
true. I mean, if if you're

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trying to make an NFL roster and
you you excel it in the UF oh,

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I imagine you know that that footage
goes to the NFL scouting departments and

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helps you out. We'll see how
many UFL players get on to get into

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camps this this off season, NFL
off season, how many make teams?

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Uh? That that would be pretty
pretty, pretty interesting. But it's it

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is It is hard because is it
is it developmental league or is it or

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is it a league unto itself,
divorced from the NFL and in its own,

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in its own ecosystem. Uh.
For so long with these spring leagues,

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they people have talked about the NFL
needs a developmental league, the NFL

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needs a developmental league. They point
to the NFL. Yurop Kurt Warners the

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biggest example of of that, and
there's probably some truth in that, But

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as we know, college serves as
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remember back when there was the CFL
XFL talks and we had on a bunch

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of CFL reporters right rightfully so kind
of defending, you know, the legacy

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of the CFL. Why do they
need all that? I remember we were

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already having a debate with one of
the reporters and they were just like,

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you know, is that enough for
the XFL at that time to be the

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show that you're watching the players on
the way to actually be on the show?

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Is that? Is that enough of
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know, and I think they need
to get away from that more, do

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you. I mean, is that
is that a twenty year league? Hey

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watch them before they become the big
I mean that's the minor leagues, right,

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I mean that obviously minor league baseball. I mean people go for many

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reasons. Some people go becuz they
want to see the stars before they become

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stars. Other people go because it's
just a fun it's a fun night out

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or day out, and it's it's
family friendly, and it's goofy and such

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like that. So if you look
at the minor league baseball model, those

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teams are in the communities, you
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are not in the communities. And
I know we've been hitting that hard that

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that point, but I think the
sooner the teams can be in their local

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markets and claim those markets for real, the better. Last question for me

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here two point. The theme of
the episode this week is can the UFL

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defy the spring football curse? I
think is what I have basically, kind

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of going off of your article title
here, how do you feel going into

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season two? And then what would
you like to see you know, obviously

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a lot of different things, but
kind of one tangible thing you'd like to

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see them going into season two if
it is the case, well, I

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mean, in spring football's defense,
we've had almost uninterested spring football other than

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twenty twenty one, twenty nineteen with
the lines of American Football. Twenty twenty

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we had XFL two point zero twenty
twenty two with USFL, and last year

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with USFL and XFL, and now
we have the merged UFL. So there

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does appear to be be interested in
demand for spring football and the people willing

408
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:59.960
to put money behind a league in
it. And to labor the point,

409
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.519
but what I'd like to see next
year more team marketing, more you know,

410
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.960
more getting getting fans in the seats, getting players into communities, getting

411
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.079
players out there promoting it. I
mean, that's what that's what's going to

412
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.559
drive this. I know the teams
probably have marketing staff in the markets,

413
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:22.799
but they nothing sells football more than
the players. Yeah, I I I

414
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.599
lamented this week going into because there's
been lots of talk of Birmingham and kind

415
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.839
of their subparer attendance even going into
you know, it's your three now with

416
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.440
all this, and like they had
two media mails this week going into the

417
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.839
playoff game, and I'm like,
okay, if you're not like you're not

418
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.720
in the market. But then remotely
you're only having you know, Skip Holtz

419
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.240
again for the eighteenth time this season, Like I don't it just doesn't seem

420
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.960
to be any sort of like this
is a time to seize on this.

421
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:49.440
We're going to be in the playoffs
again. We always say maybe next year,

422
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.960
and I always get people to tell
me that we'll read you will try.

423
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.039
You know, oh the merch wasn't
good. They'll get it right.

424
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.319
Eventually, they'll get it right.
We know these spring leagues there's not always

425
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.680
there's not infinite time to do all
this. I think you need to strike,

426
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.319
you know, you need to go
now or not? Right, that's

427
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.640
right. I mean, look,
I think the big question with the UFL

428
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.200
is you mentioned Redbird is what you
know? What is their commitment? How

429
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.839
how long will they? What's there? What's their time horizon? They have

430
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.680
a lot of other investments in sports, this is not anywhere near the biggest

431
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.359
one. What uh you know,
what's there? What's their time horizon?

432
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.519
Well, it would be good to
know a long long term here with all

433
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.519
that. I was just looking at
your Twitter handle. Make sure you can

434
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.160
play it before you go, Dan, anything else from you today? I

435
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:38.799
appreciate it obviously with the off announcing
in Front office sports at Capitlin Sports Biz

436
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:41.599
on Twitter. Any other thoughts before
we get out of here. No,

437
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.319
I just I mean, I'm rooting
for the UFL. I want to do

438
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:51.680
well and I think they. I
mean the TV ratings were surprisingly good and

439
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.839
I and I hope that continues for
the playoffs. Awesome Dan follow him on

440
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.000
Twitter. I appreciate it making time
today. Thanks again, all right,

441
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:06.880
take care. Well here we are. I don't think we've had this gentleman

442
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.559
on at all this season. Pat's
been working on his channel as analyzed and

443
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:14.279
educating and also just real life work
stuff. It's crazy. Like even me,

444
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.319
I'm like, okay, minimum sometimes
we got real life stuff ahead of

445
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.119
us here. But we have Pat
Rafina back on here. We were previewing

446
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.960
the UFL playoffs talking lots of news
today. Actually I have like six I

447
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.400
never have like six stabs where the
UFLD is coming up. Pat, How

448
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.119
are you doing there? I'm doing
well. And like we talked about in

449
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.440
there in the pre show, there's
there's there is some good news, there

450
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:37.200
is some breaking news, and then
there's everything else in between. So obviously

451
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.960
the UFL season comes, you know
close. We're starting to see some kids

452
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.960
get the opportunity to work out with
some teams, and in my opinion,

453
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.079
that's really the kind of the the
best thing about this league is Okay,

454
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.400
So who's gonna go and who's gonna
stick? And you know, I know,

455
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.839
we have a bunch of things to
talk about and the women and the

456
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.960
amount of time. But you know, I was going through the NFL rosters

457
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.480
the other day and this kind of
brings in the overarching timeline that Andy Murray

458
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.680
did a bang up job giving a
power point about But long story short,

459
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:18.400
tild are only like forty four roster
spots available right now? What are we

460
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.359
doing? Like? Where do we
you know, I know, last year

461
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.960
we were the League of Opportunity.
This year we're the League of like,

462
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.480
let's just let's just get through year
one read Yeah, they don't really we

463
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.720
don't really have a marching order this
year. And what like what is our

464
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.599
drive of the league. I think
it's we've merged. We're kind of working

465
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.559
through things. Yeah, I mean, in honor of a in honor of

466
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.440
Pride month, we're here. We're
blank get used to it timely, you

467
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.440
know what I mean? Like I
don't care what the end of the spectrum

468
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.039
you're on there, but I mean
that's kind of what the UFL did this

469
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.599
year. We're here, you know, watch us, We're on Fox.

470
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:59.599
Great. So but overall, I
mean, like you know, we have

471
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.440
we've been waiting for this for three
weeks. These these four teams going to

472
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.720
the conference championship. I feel like
it's been pretty solidified for I think they

473
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:15.079
all clinched going into Week seven,
And I mean, I don't think we

474
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:20.000
have any disagreements as far as these
are the four best teams. And I'm

475
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:24.240
pretty excited that we didn't have any
excuse me, any hiccups as I hiccup

476
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.920
with the tiebreakers or anything like that. And as someone who kind of lives

477
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:35.799
in Saint Louis Reid, I am
in one agreement with you on your take

478
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:37.799
about, well, if you really
wanted to get into the playoffs, you

479
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:43.759
should have beat Seattle, like like
just last year. Last year. Yeah,

480
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:49.079
yeah, yeah, Like I I'm
it was intoxicating and nauseating to just

481
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.640
hear people talk about that like scenario
and I'm just like, or we could

482
00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.480
have just won. So are you
surprised because we talked so it's really been

483
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.319
solidified for a while here. We
just preseason and oh, these are all

484
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.720
going to be, you know,
all star teams, and we're like,

485
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.720
really is such a divide? I
mean, there's there's four good teams and

486
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.119
then there's I mean, I would
say of those four, there's probably two

487
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.440
exceptional teams. One at least with
the Stallions, and then there's a lot,

488
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.799
there's six. Like, I'm just
surprised that this was so locked up

489
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.480
here weeks ago and now we're finally
here. But are you? Are you

490
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.720
surprised kind of going into what we
expected? I mean, I thought Michigan.

491
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.160
I didn't think Michigan was going to
be as bad. I thought Michigan

492
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:37.279
would have been a like five and
five team. I know there's some people

493
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.240
who are saying they were terrible.
My biggest thing with Michigan was I didn't

494
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.279
I didn't feel like there was any
like true dynamic playmakers on the outside.

495
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:52.279
And Ceoc Mariner and Marcus Sums both
proved me wrong, which great, Who

496
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.759
am I one to prove me wrong? Cooc Mariner is probably one of my

497
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.119
favorite players in this league right now
as a football player. I don't know

498
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.960
him as a man whatsoever. But
you know, Michigan surprised me. I

499
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.719
mean they were kind of like,
if you can get over Memphis, you're

500
00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:12.559
gonna be in type thing. Memphis
surprised me. I didn't think their offensive

501
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.519
line would be this terrible. I
mean, case Cocis has at this point

502
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:20.599
a fetish when getting met up behind
big men. He's kind of like that

503
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:27.039
that casting couch meme at this point. Arlington, I mean he went four

504
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.440
and six last year. That was
a five and five, six and fourteen

505
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:37.480
to me. I wasn't as low
on DC as I think a lot of

506
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.760
as like Mike was. But I
was definitely one of those guys who was

507
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.320
like, it's not going to be
that good this year too, boys,

508
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:51.000
like there's a lot of holes here. I was like, they lost some

509
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.559
coaches and you know, he's he's
not someone we should care about completely.

510
00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:06.119
But I was like, uh,
like, we have excuse me, I'm

511
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.320
losing my train of thought. We
had like even like they were losing backup

512
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:16.639
offensive Linemanto to uh what you mna
call it to retirement, and then Josh

513
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:22.119
Hammond retires and then you have Abram
Smith retiring and it just kind of was

514
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:30.639
like non stop retirement, retirement,
retirement, injury retirement, and you know,

515
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.199
for me, it was just like
this is this is not gonna be

516
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.239
okay. And then the icing on
the cake was obviously Abram Smith. And

517
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.480
then you know, Emery Hunt,
I think, is really the only person

518
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.480
that's like truly vocalized this is they
took Deeric King out of that team.

519
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.760
And when you lose Deeric, you're
not only saving reps on Jordan's body,

520
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.679
but you're also like supplementing the run
game. And like that was a loss

521
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:59.559
that I don't think enough people cared
about. You know, they're just like,

522
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.360
oh, dear King, Lindsay Scott
City deer King. Derek King almost

523
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:09.280
threw forty five passes last year.
I think Scott through like nine. So

524
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.719
it's been it's been a crazy time
in terms of I guess we'll go through

525
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.920
some of the news here because you're
talking about the Panthers. I have a

526
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.400
bunch of tabs opened up here.
Speaking of the Panthers, let's talk through

527
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:30.039
here. Mike Nolan go to the
year Michigan. I don't know if there's

528
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.320
competition there. I guess back on
that, you deal with the I mean,

529
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.639
are you co signed that, Nolan
dealing with injuries everything else going through

530
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.000
I deal with the injuries one into
a lot of people had Michigan as like

531
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.000
a four to six, five five, with some people have having them way

532
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:52.159
worse than that. Another thing with
Nolan is that they were four and sixth

533
00:36:52.239 --> 00:37:00.760
last year, two and eight the
year before after that you had and like,

534
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.280
when I think of Coaching of the
Year, like why would we give

535
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.639
it? The skip holds He's lost
four games in the last three years.

536
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.840
It's expected. Okay, the battle
Hawks were expected to go to the playoffs.

537
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.199
They were seven and three last year
Waite Phillips, he pretty much cannibalized

538
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.199
his roster, tried to do what
you know Flipp did. They went seven

539
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.519
and three and then they were seven
and three as the Houston Roughnecks last year.

540
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.719
When you like, when you break
it down in that standard, like

541
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:37.760
what else do we got here?
At Homie like it it makes sense?

542
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:44.360
Like it just Nolan was, in
my opinion, the only obvious selection.

543
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.239
And I just feel like if you
want to like get edgy about it,

544
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:54.000
like I don't think you're reading the
tea leaves personally interesting. So you go

545
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.000
with what's expected versus you know,
overcoming. I think, yeah, they

546
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.880
look at that like in the NFL
too, like who over came the adversity

547
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.639
or who had what I mean by
that logic, Belichick should be you know,

548
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.679
a seven time, eight time Coach
of the Year. I mean Andy

549
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:15.320
Reid should win it every year.
You know, takes you know, Bryce

550
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:20.039
Perkins, Brian Lurk. I mean, if you watch the film, you

551
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.559
d Danny Etling was a half decent
player. I mean e J. Perry

552
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.920
to me was kind of an unknown
because he only played in two games last

553
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.119
year, you know, some limited
preseason experience, and he was performing admirably

554
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.559
when he played. He was a
little erratic, but he was starting to

555
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.599
calm down. I mean, yet
you took a bunch of dudes who really

556
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:44.760
didn't you know. The offensive line
a couple of unknowns there. Corey Coleman

557
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:50.000
retires. The defense was great under
Colin bock Bauer. I mean, and

558
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.760
how much does Nolan help with that? But in the end, like I

559
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.039
mean, new new offensive coordinator,
new defensive coordinator, a lot of new

560
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.599
faces, and these guys came out, they put together a good season and

561
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.679
I think they match up very well
against Birmingham and we can get an upset

562
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.119
there. Yeah, well we'll get
into that. So that's good and we'll

563
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.880
talk the game specific here. I
want to make sure we get to the

564
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.559
and I know that I think the
time permittee and I think we're working on

565
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.559
our own marcass UFL team and if
that doesn't come to fruition. That's completely

566
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.800
understandable as well. But we have
the UFL here, the you know the

567
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.360
league. I think I think I
put in the description you know the league

568
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.440
awarded here right the league designated UFL
team. We don't. I don't need

569
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.559
to go like point by point through
here, but any anything stand out,

570
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.840
any Glarian omissions or anyone that you
super agree with. I would have put

571
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.920
Sal over Chase. I think Sal
was like top five in a lot of

572
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:52.039
these categories. A lot of people
really were high on Stephen Gonzalez. I

573
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:57.360
think Steve took another step this year
as well. Matt Casey, he's a

574
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:01.320
swing tackle for the Stallions. I
think he could have been the other tackle

575
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:08.000
over Jared Jones. Smith kind of
lacked uh Daniel Wise as an interior.

576
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.360
I mean, Wise had some great
games, but nothing too crazy. Malik

577
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.480
Fisher, who's working out right now
for NFL teams. He could have been

578
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.880
my edge, my defensive end guy. Kind of wanted them to expand on

579
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.880
this a little bit, but I'm
very curious to see if there was anything

580
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.519
with like the union that allowed them
to because I believe they said they're giving

581
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:36.119
the bonuses to these all UFL guys. I love Jake Bates. I just

582
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:42.159
feel like either Cochland or Andre Schmidt
should have got his award something they didn't

583
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.239
have. How so? How so? I mean because he's really been the

584
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.679
focal point of the special teams all
year, him and obviously markuat king Get

585
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.679
in his own private concert after the
Rennagades game that I was at, would

586
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.760
Baits? I mean, it was
a lot of it was a lot of

587
00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.400
glam, and then it kind of
fizzled out, which you know was kind

588
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.639
of my argument is when you set
the standards so high, you can only

589
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.320
come down. I mean, Cochland
was I think the highest rated kicker and

590
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:13.519
then Bates missing a fifty one and
what it was, it was a game

591
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.639
winning fifty one. He missed at
thirty nine, really had issues kicking outdoors,

592
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.079
and you know, I think Baits
deserves an NFL shot and they'll probably

593
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.360
get it. But in the end, like just because you hit the ball

594
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.760
really far a couple of times,
like there's ten games in a season,

595
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:35.599
you know, I think he really
tailed off towards the end, and I

596
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.639
mean, we'll see what happens.
You know, I would have liked them

597
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.679
to have a special teamer like the
USFL did last year. They had Vinie

598
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:47.840
Popoli last year as their specialist and
I just thought that's a need award because

599
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.760
they gave a Special Teams Player of
the Year award to a special teams guy.

600
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.599
Well, now that we have that, did you that that just came

601
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:01.920
out as we were recording that with
but but at Garrett with Garrett? Name

602
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.599
with Garrett is this Chris Garrett?
Yeah? Yeah, But but to expand

603
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.440
on that, they didn't have an
all UFL specialists a special team Yeah,

604
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.760
so like the special Teams Player of
the Year could have been a kicker or

605
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:20.199
punter, long snapper, return guy
or you know, a gunner or just

606
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.519
a special team's ace like Garrett was. And you're gonna give Garrett the award?

607
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:28.079
Why would you not have a special
team specialists there? I mean,

608
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.760
they slimmed down on this a little
bit. You know. I think it

609
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.000
has to be because of the NFL
or the ufl PA, because I think

610
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.519
that's what they said they were going
to do, the bonuses and whatnot.

611
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.239
So you think they provided less awards
because they didn't want to have to give

612
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.360
out as many bonuses. Yeah,
I mean, I mean, I mean

613
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.920
I mean they you know, we're
cutting corners on finances. You have two

614
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.880
interior defensive linemen. You know,
realand Speaks is not an outside linebacker.

615
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.719
Neither is Chris old Bodem. I
mean he was a defensive tackle. When

616
00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:00.719
the season started. You only had
two interior linebackers. I mean, kind

617
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.880
of a little slim pickens over there. You only put one running back.

618
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.840
I think you should have had two, you know, three wide receivers,

619
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.000
no fullback. You know, just
to me, it just kind of it

620
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.599
just seems a little bit slimmer.
I like that. I like the controversy.

621
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:20.119
I like that. I mean,
fight me. You know, I

622
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.480
don't think anyone would disagree with me. You know, they give Adrian Martinez

623
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:29.639
the all UFL, you know,
all UFL quarterback. I wouldn't have picked

624
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.400
him. I think you could even
based off the Manny Wilkins experience, you

625
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:39.360
could even value that AJ McCarron is
the most valuable player to his team.

626
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.960
But that would mean we'd have to
do some thinking about what is an MVP.

627
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.679
It goes back to my argument I
talk about a nauseum with Andrew Luck

628
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:54.800
was the most Valuable Player two in
the NFL for years and never won an

629
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.199
MVP because you know, we don't
go off that, we go off stats,

630
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.639
So you know, what is value? What does that mean? Marcus

631
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.760
Simms kind of stopped existing for three
weeks and they couldn't have given it to

632
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.760
Justin Hall or John Jay Kirkland.
That's who I would have given to.

633
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.559
This isn't just your AJ love coming
through here, No, I think it

634
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.559
comes down the value. I mean, if Manny Wilkins, you know,

635
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.360
reversed his stat line with three touchdowns
in one pick, they win both games.

636
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.159
I mean, he's playing school yard
football and I love it. But

637
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.119
at the same time, I mean, if they didn't, they had to

638
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:35.360
change the whole game plan for him, you know, and he looked out

639
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.000
of place against the Renegades, which
they have a secondary that I'm pretty sure

640
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.239
I could suit up and play,
and they had Joe Palell. Joe Palell's

641
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.639
older than me. Guy looks like
a trolled all out there with his hair.

642
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.119
Anything else from this, I want
to a couple other news and notes,

643
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.159
and I want to talk through the
games. Anything else in the all

644
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.599
ufl oh No, I mean,
I mean there's always going to be controversy,

645
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.559
especially with money involved, and you
know, I mean there's a couple

646
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.880
of guys who went put on there, and there's a couple of guys that

647
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.159
are on there that deserve them.
But in the end, hopefully to see

648
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.360
a couple of these guys, you
know, dressed up on the sidelines on

649
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:13.519
the Sunday in a couple of weeks, well, I guess to point out

650
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.280
to right, fourteen USFL Conference players, twelve XFL Conference players. So if

651
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.920
you want to add that to your
you want to add that to your conspiracy

652
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.280
pot, right, Any thoughts on
that, I mean, they're not not

653
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.920
really. I mean, I mean
it's when you're looking at the guys,

654
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:36.000
like every guy, in my opinion, really does have a case. You

655
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.679
know, just it is what it
is. I mean, people got caught

656
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:44.840
up in the controversy of like what
conference is superior and whatnot, and I

657
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:50.000
mean I don't care. I mean
if I'd have way too much many other

658
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:55.079
things to care about, and just
like you know, you know, wax

659
00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.320
wax wax off to that, and
uh, I mean it is what is,

660
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.000
you know, Like I mean,
I think it's it's good tweets,

661
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.960
it's good engagement tweets, and I
know the UFL don't got the blue check

662
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:12.639
mark does this, so they ain't
making any EU money off that, which

663
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.320
you know costs eleven dollars. I'm
willing to guarantee you that we cont the

664
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:21.679
turn back. Let's talk through here. We have a couple of different sponsors

665
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.079
shan and we'll get to the game
preview. One interesting thing to me,

666
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:32.920
uh so, I don't know anything
about this is cbdre them. So the

667
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.079
first time I ever heard about well
firs so creative. We have an official

668
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.320
partner now with the UFL CVD cret
them then the official CBS and creative partner,

669
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.039
I mean based in Saint Louis,
Missouri, right, I mean,

670
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:52.159
yeah, I guess I guess so
like I mean, I mean, I've

671
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.920
worked with cannabis industry, doing a
lot of assessments for them and they haven't

672
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.719
called me. So I guess I'm
not as cool as I think I am.

673
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:01.119
I mean, are you surprised though? I mean this to me,

674
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:07.599
is you know, slightly out of
the box partnership. Yeah, I'm surprised.

675
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.760
I mean it's I mean, I'm
not going to advocate one way or

676
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:19.000
the other based because of work stuff, but I mean, if it keeps

677
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.159
the lights on at this point,
you know, and it helps these players

678
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.119
recover and feel better. I got
it, support it, right, I

679
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.960
mean, this is the closest thing
we got to gladiators outside of UFC,

680
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:37.320
and these guys kill their bodies for
us for years, just for our entertainment.

681
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.320
So if they're able to make some
money from this, if the players

682
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:45.360
are able to get good treatment,
and it's all legal and within the confines

683
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.760
of the regulation. Now I am
curious though. I don't know about this

684
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.320
year, but next year. I
don't know how the lot of drug testing

685
00:47:54.360 --> 00:48:00.440
works, depending on how they do
it. If you do an ad our

686
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.960
NFL teams some of these old heads, we don't know the difference between THCHC

687
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.760
and CBD and cratoon. Does that
put you on the blacklist for an NFL

688
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.960
team? If you're going up there
and they're saying, I'm John Smith and

689
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.559
after every game I rubbed this,
you know, cannabis cream on my body

690
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.559
and it helps me recover, does
that put you on a blacklist for some

691
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:28.199
players? I don't know. Interesting. Interesting One other thing, and this

692
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.000
is a little bit more. I
can speak a little bit more about this

693
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:31.800
for that much, but I do
have a lot more thoughts about this.

694
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:37.599
Who are naming Underdog Fantasy the exclusive
partnership On the eve of the inaugural UFL

695
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.320
Conference Final games, and I had
tweeted out I said, this is great

696
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:46.119
to see now I presumably better late
than never here we have three games left

697
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:51.960
in the season. I know we
have many many dfs and Fantasy and all

698
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.599
sorts of people that follow the show
and have been on the show and talked

699
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.880
about this, Cody Maine and the
established the runner, like all the different

700
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.960
things. At least we're doing it
now. I don't know why you don't

701
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.079
have this at the beginning of the
season, but at least maybe this speaks

702
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.719
to them having some sort of idea
in their head about working towards this next

703
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:12.119
year. Yeah, and I think
a lot of these moves are definitely working

704
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.400
towards next year type items. I
think confirmed season two. I think that's

705
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.599
confirmed. I think we'll you know, we'll see a video once you post

706
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.840
this, We'll see a video on
this from someone. We may cry and

707
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:29.760
you know, I think. I
mean, when it comes down to it,

708
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.400
as long as we got things moving
forward for season for season two.

709
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.760
And by the way, I hate
it when people say season two, it's

710
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:42.280
it's the twenty twenty five season.
It makes you sound like it's sad.

711
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.280
It's sad, it's the twenty twenty
five season, you know. And I

712
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.800
don't even like it that we call
it the inaugural UFL season. I mean

713
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.840
the league played for There's United Football
League played for four years in the mid

714
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:58.719
two thousands. I need to update
my YouTube description. I think I have

715
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.239
Dan Kaplan talking about season two of
the UFL. Oh my god, I

716
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:07.119
guess I don't know it depending it
just changed the thumbnails too, Why don't

717
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:08.800
you Okay, all right, I'll
do the whole redo, the whole thing.

718
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.400
But no, I mean, but
this is good because I mean we've

719
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.360
talked about this and nausim on here, and I hope this parlays more into

720
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.599
sports betting and everything as well,
because you know, again we've talked about

721
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.760
this, but you know, the
announcers on the broadcast know so little compared

722
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:28.079
to the people that are actually spending
money and gambling on this. It's really

723
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:35.480
almost what's the word, uh and
pandry. It's almost like not man'splaining the

724
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.159
right pa, Like it's like,
do you think Cody Main sitting there like,

725
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.599
oh, I got to hear what
the ESPN booth is saying about the

726
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.679
over on this game, Like,
no, the people that are really bending

727
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:47.079
money and spending money on this and
advising others and partaking and running sites and

728
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.480
doing all this, like they do
not need the UFL broadcasters talking like,

729
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:53.800
well, the over are still in
play on this kickoff, like let's go.

730
00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.440
Yeah, and I'll buck back a
little bit on that. The fact

731
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.280
that like I feel like when Joel
Klatts on the on the on the stick

732
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.320
and that I mean, I mean
he's he's in Metafi's not bad either,

733
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:15.320
but yeah, definitely the side some
of them friends, Yeah, I mean

734
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:20.280
Luke's Luke's is good. I mean, I mean some of these guys,

735
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.880
man, like I don't even think
they're like looking at the damn score sheet

736
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.000
before they're like going on there.
I mean they're checking. I mean some

737
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.719
of these guys they just say the
incorrect names. And you know it's like

738
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.360
I get in granted, like I
cover this league, you know, supplement

739
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.440
my retirement with the income I make
off this league, and like to see

740
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:46.920
like these guys who get paid way
more like just be so bad at their

741
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.320
job. It's like it's annoying,
Like it's just like all it takes is

742
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.920
a Google search of one player.
Well, I get it, I get

743
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.320
it, and it's And then I
said to me, you're turning off people

744
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.320
because you're turning off the casuals that
don't want to hear about it because you're

745
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.480
not because you're talking to NonStop about
it. And then you're turning off to

746
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.239
people that you actually know about it
because they're like, you're an idiot whether

747
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.159
I need you, Like I don't
need this, I don't need this expertise,

748
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.320
you know, expertise on here.
Yeah, And it's just such a

749
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:22.400
filler of bs, like like it's
on the screen like I know how to

750
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.480
do basic math, like like I
understand what twenty three plus twenty is and

751
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:34.239
you have a forty six like like
I don't know, Like it's it just

752
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.559
it's just filler. It's just bs. I mean, it's such a coin

753
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:42.800
flip when you're watching an ESPN game
because at least when I watch Clatt,

754
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:46.239
I'm like, this guy is gonna
teach me things. And like Clatt's awesome

755
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:52.159
too, because like he's going into
coverage breakdowns and talking about like bracketing and

756
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:57.559
flip flipping up the hips, and
then like you got an ESPN guy who's

757
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:01.599
like, that's good. What do
we think, Dean, It's like,

758
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.880
I don't know, man, it
haves and have nots, and I do.

759
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.719
I was against the Fox broadcast,
like just with the USNFL being a

760
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:13.280
little stale, but going back and
forth this year, you can really tell

761
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.360
the difference, especially if you're watching
like back to back days or you know,

762
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.840
two games on one day or however
they haven't lined up. Yeah,

763
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:27.880
no, it's it's it's it's and
have nots. So it's it's it's sad,

764
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.559
it's exhausting, and you know you
kind of wish for it to be

765
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:37.519
better, but I mean hopefully,
you know, it's about improvement, right,

766
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.320
It's constantly building for twenty twenty five, and you know, like like

767
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.320
we heard all the time, let's
just get through this year. Let's just

768
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.960
get through this year. We're getting
We're getting through here, all right,

769
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.920
let me so let's hear them focus
on this so the rest of our time

770
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:58.639
here. I think this is a
incredibly compelling playoffs, right. I think

771
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.559
last year the Arlington Roughnecks that left
a little bit to be desired here on

772
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.679
the what was that the South Conference, whatever the heck they called it last

773
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.360
year, the XML Stallion's Panthers here, you know them hosting the Protective we'll

774
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:14.119
see the attendance there was about seven
thousand last week. And then Saint Louis.

775
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.480
You're obviously hosting the first playoff game
in the cite Saint Louis and however,

776
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.000
you know they posted all that,
you know years and years and years

777
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.159
since that. What do you make
of this? And are you excited for

778
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:28.519
the playoffs? I mean the best
part about this is that both teams are

779
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:35.760
two and zero versus versus each other. It's very hard to beat a team

780
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.960
three times in one year, and
I haven't looked up how many times it's

781
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:45.719
happened, but it's extremely difficult to
do it because the odds are you will

782
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:52.360
get lucky at some point. Michigan
has ever been in this new era,

783
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:57.199
has never been in Birmingham, and
San Antonio going back to last year,

784
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:02.280
has not be Saint Louis, and
obviously San Antonio Day exists in twenty twenty.

785
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:09.039
So for me, there's that like
storyline there which I find semi attractive.

786
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:15.719
Obviously, City of Saint Louis.
I think it's nineteen years to UH

787
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:22.119
to bring this back. And I'm
really expecting forty k people to be there,

788
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:27.559
and I know I expect forty k
tickets to be sold. I saw

789
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.719
something that saw a lot of resellers
and whatnot. So I wonder how when

790
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.599
those resellers don't show up, like
how that works for the attendance because they

791
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.119
bought the ticket, right, well, they'll call it ticket in. I

792
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:42.400
mean, that's what doing for a
week. I'm good with that. I

793
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.880
don't care if you're in Memphis or
Saint Louis, because if you paid the

794
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.199
money, that's revenue the league gets. Let's get the let's let's pad the

795
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:52.400
stats, all that goofy stuff.
Now, I do think that Saint Louis

796
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:57.119
could easily get a forty K.
I don't know who's playing. I don't

797
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:01.199
really care. I got some heat
for this. I made this appoint is.

798
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:06.920
Linden Wood University is the major university
for football there. They're Division one,

799
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:12.239
Double A or FCS school. Last
week they had their football Combine,

800
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:19.119
which has like all the Midwestern power
fives all the way down from like Power

801
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.760
five to Division III. College coaches
and all these kids from all around the

802
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.920
state of Missouri who go to battle
Hawk games. I know these kids.

803
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.079
I talk to these kids. They're
in my DMS. You know, they

804
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:37.280
asked me this stuff. And ninety
percent of these kids, who do they

805
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.719
have they got parents and their parents
take them to the game. So like

806
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:44.519
they was and I know we make
the joke about the gas station stuff,

807
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.480
but like it's like, these are
football kids in the area who would go

808
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.199
to this game, and they were
all at the camp. They also had

809
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.559
First Form, which is one of
the biggest like businesses in Saint Louis.

810
00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:00.920
They were having a thing called Summer
Smash. Steve Aoki there, if Ludacris

811
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.760
was there, Nelly was there.
I mean, like, this is pretty

812
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.519
like and these are active people who
go to these games and whatnot. So

813
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.920
like I don't want to go to
Toby Keith's route by anything like that,

814
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.400
But there was stuff going on in
Saint Louis and they still pulled thirty four

815
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:19.199
K. I mean yeah, I
mean, I'm not saying that with a

816
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.199
push at the forty K, but
I'm still saying like stuff was going on.

817
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.280
The Saint Louis version of Toby Keith
was going on, No, I

818
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.039
think Saint Louis has showed up quite
a bit. I mean, I think

819
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.920
that they're doing good. I think, I mean, I'm really curious to

820
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.400
see and especially in the championship game, if Saint Louis is there, I

821
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.480
mean, I think this could be
pretty spectacular thing just for the legacy of

822
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:45.079
the league. I mean, are
you are you off the boat of saying

823
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.760
if Saint Louis goes to the championship
that fifty thousand people show up. I

824
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.239
think we'll see. So I've had
a lot of conversations and like even like

825
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:57.840
the Dave Naylors of the world texting
me like, hey, what do you

826
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.320
think, like if the UFL doesn't
survive or do you think that they could

827
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.559
think Saint Louis could be the tenth
team? Right? Because everyone's like,

828
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.440
how can we relate to this to
the CFL. And I told him,

829
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.199
I said, we don't know what
the ceiling is. We know what the

830
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.960
floor is. You got about thirty
thousand people they're gonna come. I don't

831
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.920
know what the ceiling is. We'll
see is it fifty thousand plus? I

832
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:21.599
don't know, all right, but
I think we'll we'll find out what the

833
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:23.360
demand is and if they can't sell
it out or if they can't get to

834
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:28.559
But we don't know that number yet. We only know that their floor is

835
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:32.800
higher than anyone else's ceiling right now. Yeah, by twofold, And I

836
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:38.000
mean if the league folds, I
mean that conversation needs to happen, right

837
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:42.639
like at least a phone call to
someone. I don't know who that someone

838
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.280
is, but I mean I think
it'd be silly for the CFL. I

839
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:51.440
mean, I don't think people in
Saint Louis will I don't know how much

840
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.920
they would care at this point.
They would just want football. They don't

841
00:58:53.920 --> 00:59:00.320
know if they would get Yeah,
I don't. I mean there's very few

842
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:07.480
Americans who like adamantly hate the CFO
like we're beyond like like the casual American

843
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.400
is just like, oh this is
football, Why where's there? Where's worth

844
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.719
down? Yeah, there's more Canadians
that hate American football than their Americans that

845
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:22.400
hate Canadian which Tyler feel very strongly
in saying that. And when you have

846
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:28.360
a city like Saint Louis that like
is starting for this, like they want

847
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.840
this to work, like they need
like they because they haven't done anything wrong.

848
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.599
They've supported their team and you know, all this stuff, and it's

849
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:42.960
like they've done all this stuff,
they've done the right things, and they've

850
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.760
been burned from it. Like this
is a city when the move, the

851
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:50.280
team moved. They were in the
super Bowl fourteen years prior, like they

852
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:54.000
they were in the playoffs with Mark
Bolger, like Sam Bradford was still a

853
00:59:54.000 --> 01:00:00.440
budding not a star by any means, but like the Sam Bradford like Lord

854
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.280
was still there where they could be
a decent team. They're like, oh,

855
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:07.119
if he just gets one more piece, like people cared about this team,

856
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.679
and I mean, like twenty twenty, they get the you know,

857
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:15.159
they get a little what's what's it
called twenty twenty, They they get a

858
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.039
little like you gotta little say it's
a little apposite, yeah, yeah,

859
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.119
yeah, And like they they I
don't think they broke thirty in twenty twenty,

860
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.800
and then they bump up to thirty
eight at one point, and then

861
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:30.639
this year they broke forty and like
now it looks like they might do it

862
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:35.119
again. Like man, if I'm
the CFL, like I'm I'm making those

863
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.239
phone calls, you know, like
I'm figuring this out. I love it.

864
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.480
I really would love it. But
getting back to the game, like

865
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.119
we talk about that, but yeah, because yeah, no, and that's

866
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:51.800
I think it's I'm happy we went
down that route too. For the game,

867
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.840
people are kind of calling for a
Panthers upset here, But in terms

868
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:58.760
of Saint Louis brahmas, I think
people have the brahmas or excuse me,

869
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:00.800
the BattleHawks favored a lot more thoughts
on the Saint Louis matchup and then we

870
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:06.039
can talk for him. I think
outside the SAT, outside of San Antonio,

871
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:12.599
I think you're getting more fans of
the league that if you're remotely tied

872
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.039
into this, you think that Saint
Louis going to the championship is the best

873
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:22.519
thing for the league. And I
think people are cognizant enough about this if

874
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.119
like they watch your show, they
read articles, they just care about this

875
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:29.760
league. Yeah, Like if this
is the baseline and they're here as far

876
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.719
as caring about the league just slightly, they're like, this would probably be

877
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:37.559
the best thing because fifty thousand beer
drinkers and ticket buyers and jersey buyers,

878
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:43.280
all that you know that is you're
looking at a pretty hefty, hefty work

879
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.079
day as far As, like,
you know, volume of revenue coming in,

880
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:51.079
and but do you think that the
Malahawks have enough to do that?

881
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:54.000
I mean, I guess that's my
question. I do I think you got

882
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:59.360
aj another week. It looked like
they were very conservative with him. I

883
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:04.159
think a successful season for Saint Louis
is getting to the championship. So I

884
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:08.159
think it's all all the tricks,
all this all that. I mean,

885
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:12.800
what they really need to do is
just generate a little bit more pressure from

886
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:17.880
that defensive line. I think.
I think there's I think there's just a

887
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:22.360
little bit underwhelming. They bring in
Peta from last year, and I think

888
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.800
the team either had they were either
plus one or minus one. As smart

889
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:30.519
as sacks that they had last year, they only had nineteen last year and

890
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:36.119
this year they were either at eighteen
or twenty. Their linebackers looking great.

891
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:40.000
Mike Rose's still a little bit nicked
up, it looked like, but he's,

892
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:44.159
you know, he's when he plays, one of the highest graded players

893
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.440
in the league. Willie Harvey has
put on a masterclass this year. He's

894
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:52.760
got four sacks and a bunch of
TFLs. I mean, I personally think

895
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.719
like this defense as long as they
get pressure from the defensive line, I

896
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.159
think they should be good to go
for their offense. In my opinion,

897
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.199
they just gotta they gotta just open
up all the stops. Man. They

898
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:09.719
played a little conservative. AJ's obviously
maybe not one hundred percent whatever they want

899
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.760
to say, but like with the
ankle, but if you're on the field

900
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.719
with him, open it up.
I mean, Jacob Sailors can take a

901
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:20.960
lot of pressure off your team.
And then from there, if you're able

902
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.320
to push forward and everything like that, you can't hold anything back. You

903
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:29.360
know, it's it's playoff football.
You're one and done. Uh. In

904
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.239
terms of the USFL side here we
tied and then we talked Panthers off the

905
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:36.679
top of the show. But them
going into you know, productive stadium here

906
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:40.199
in Birmingham, I mean it's like
we talked about, I think you're getting

907
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:45.519
Danny Ettling back, and he looked
pretty okay, and they kind of looked

908
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:50.639
a little conservative and whatnot. Danny
Ettling is a pretty athletic guy. I

909
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:52.679
know, Bryce Perkins looks, you
know, like Superman out there, but

910
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:57.280
Ettling is a guy who can move
around and make plays and you know,

911
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:01.559
he's uber athletic. If you look
as preseason highlight film. Who with no

912
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.679
disrespect to these players, a lot
of these guys are preseason football players.

913
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:12.199
He is carving teams up with his
legs and whatnot. They match up well.

914
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:16.599
That Birmingham defensive line is violent.
But you know they Colin Bauer on

915
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:23.119
that defensive side of the ball from
Michigan really pulled out the stops and really

916
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:28.760
when he got exotic coming off the
edge and whatnot, really gave Adrian Martinez

917
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.920
a lot of trouble. Martinez is
not Alex Magoo. He does not diagnose

918
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.000
coverages the best way. He does
not have, in my opinion, the

919
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:43.400
freedom that Magoo or Jamr had over
the past couple of years. When Martinez

920
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.559
gets pressure, he looks like a
child. He hasn't played that well the

921
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:53.800
last two weeks outside of his five
game masterclass. He wasn't really maximizing his

922
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:59.440
potential and whatnot that he has had
and has shown in my opinion, if

923
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:03.239
you're getting pressure on this guy,
which Michigan has no problem doing. Between

924
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:09.559
Brielan speaks even Garrett Marino, Walter
Palmbo or Daniel Wise, like you know,

925
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:13.440
like the Marino gained like fifty pounds
of books like this week, and

926
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:16.320
he's moving better this year, and
he's moving better a little chunky boy.

927
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:20.159
And I could say that because he
blocked me on on Twitter, so he's

928
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:24.800
not gonna watch this. Maybe he
does with a burner, I don't know,

929
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:30.159
but he got he got these guys
out there like it's it matches up

930
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:34.760
well. And I think Birmingham put
their left one of their left tackles on

931
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:41.079
injured reserve as well, so it's
like, we'll see what happens. And

932
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:44.519
in my opinion, the guy who's
running this defense kind of cool from the

933
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:48.159
safety position him Bryce Torrainan, Levonte
Taylor and Nate Brooks. These are all

934
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:54.840
solid fringe NFL guys who do if
they don't have NFL experience, they're pretty

935
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:58.480
close to having it. And you
know, these are not bad football players

936
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:01.760
on that defensive side of the ball. And so if you have to make

937
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:05.079
your pick here before we get out
of here, I think pretty confident to

938
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.719
say Saint Louis on here, but
you're a little frozen, but we're still

939
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:11.119
got your audio, Saint Louis,
And then who do you have for them?

940
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.320
We'll say, who do you have
for the XL and USL Conference.

941
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:17.280
I got Birmingham because you know,
I've bet against Birmingham a couple of times

942
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:21.000
just because it's I usually do it
like two or three times a year,

943
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:26.800
just because it's hard to go ten
and zero. But I mean, Birmingham

944
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:31.760
is the champions until they're not.
And I mean, you know, Michigan

945
01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:38.000
is hungry. But my biggest thing
with Birmingham is how long could they do

946
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.159
this? And it's hard to threepeat, but if anyone's gonna do it,

947
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.400
it's going to be Skip Hoole,
who literally has a has a machine of

948
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.440
guys that he just keeps churning out, you know. And every year there's

949
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.599
two, three, four new players
that you're like, oh my god,

950
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:57.119
this guy's a guy, you know, and we'll see what happens. You

951
01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:00.519
know. The biggest thing for me
is another guy too to keep tabs on.

952
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:04.559
It's gonna be Jace Sternberger. They
had this guy, Bumper Pool man

953
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:11.519
what a name covering Jace Sternberger and
he just looked Bumper Pool just looks so

954
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:15.719
lost out there last week and they
were like, oh, he's gonna be

955
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:16.760
like, uh, you know,
Ginda, And I'm like, yeah,

956
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.639
I mean, no, not at
all. So if you can line that

957
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:26.039
matchup with Sternberger in the slot and
kind of work, especially if they're going

958
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.039
into like a cover two zone,
which is one of the safeties. You

959
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:33.440
know you have a nice little gap
between the linebackers and safeties. Pool couldnot

960
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:39.719
cover that whatsoever. And Nakua,
you know, if he's going to bite

961
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.679
on that, he could get beat
on the double move, which is what

962
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:46.000
I would do if I was a
Skip Holtzen company. So we'll see.

963
01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.480
But you know, there is a
little bit of drama with the John Chavis

964
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:57.039
leaving and and you know, the
Corey Chamberlain. They've given up more points

965
01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:00.559
and whatnot. But we'll see.
You know, I'm excited to see it.

966
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.880
Well, Pat, it'll be good. I appreciate it extended time today,

967
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.960
I know. And then obviously Pat
doing the zone, the quarterback,

968
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:11.519
rand kids and everything. Oh for
overhead analyze and educate anything else you need

969
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.159
today, Pat, founder of Creative
Arts, Founder of Creative Arts. No,

970
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:17.920
I mean after the season, we'll
do our all UFL team. If

971
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:25.000
you're a player that's watching this,
we actually made certificates. They're nothing fancy.

972
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:28.359
You know, they're going to be
on nice paper and everything like that.

973
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:30.960
But if you want a certificate and
you are a player, I'm not

974
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:34.840
going to make ninety for all the
players because I feel like only four of

975
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:39.520
you will want them. But if
you're a player and for whatever reason,

976
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:43.000
you're watching this, and don't act
like you don't, because I'm definitely Reid

977
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:47.560
has referred to you to me for
certain things when they're like hey Reed Judson.

978
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.520
Oh yeah, they probably called you
Mark by the way, but they

979
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.760
were like, hey Mark, do
you know anything about this, and be

980
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.239
like, oh talk to Pat.
Yeah. Yeah. So if you're watching

981
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:01.920
this and you want to serve,
will you all that stuff? You know

982
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:05.359
how I need that Twitter engagement,
so I'll make that. I'll repost the

983
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:10.760
video and whatnot. But yeah,
we want people to know that, like

984
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.119
we care about you, and you
know, like maybe if I'm feeling really

985
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:19.239
motivated, I'll edit the Wikipedia pages
and put the here you go, hey

986
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:24.640
mar cast on your thing. So
yeah, that's you know, that's something

987
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:29.680
we wanted to do. Just know
that people care that you exist and like

988
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:33.279
we appreciate you entertaining us and putting
your bodies on the line. Well,

989
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:36.439
Pat, I appreciate you. Thanks
for making time today. We'll catch it

990
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:45.560
with you soon and stay safe out
there. Always always huge special thanks to

991
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:50.439
both guests today coming on Dan Kaplan. Always appreciate him spending his time extended

992
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:55.239
over time with Dan today and then
Pat is always making time to come on

993
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:58.960
the program to talk through all the
UFL stuff. Really appreciate that. As

994
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:02.039
I said, look for a CFL
recap coming early next week as well as

995
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:06.039
a UFL playoffs recap. We'll get
both of those scheduled. Just you know,

996
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:09.800
subscribe to the channel, hit the
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997
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.000
that stuff when we go live.
And then as a reminder, we will

998
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:19.439
be live Sunday, June sixteenth in
Saint Louis for the UFL Championship game,

999
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:24.680
so we will do the recaps early
next week. There will be no Friday

1000
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.800
episode next week. We will be
live on Sunday. You know, padd

1001
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.359
will be there either remote or in
person. Andrew Murray will be there,

1002
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:34.920
Anthony Miller, maybe we'll get some
more remote guests, but I will post

1003
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:39.039
all of that stuff. So no
regular Friday episode next week, will be

1004
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:43.359
live, lots of live content next
week, so hopefully that is okay with

1005
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:47.439
everybody. A couple last notes.
All the giveaway items have been claimed save

1006
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.680
for the Brandon Silvers jersey. This
is your last chance go back. If

1007
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:57.199
you were invested in the Brandon Silvers
giveaway announce the winner last week, you

1008
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.279
need to go back. If that's
you, send me an emails podcast at

1009
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.000
gmail dot com. Otherwise, I
do have a runner up winner for that.

1010
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.279
So this is it. I would
say, probably by Monday, if

1011
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:11.760
you haven't claimed it, we will
be releasing that to the backup winner,

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and then the winner of the UFL
Championship Game tickets to sit with the Professor

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01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:23.239
Andrew Murray fifty yard line. I
think it's row m that winner will be

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01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.840
out of town unable to claim,
and I'm able to utilize those tickets.

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So here's the deal. If you
it is right now as I record this,

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you know June sixth, you'll be
listening to this on June seventh.

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You please comment on the video say
you know I want to win the tickets

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01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:45.000
UFL Championship Game tickets. You need
to have tickets be in your comment because

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I'm going to search through the comments. I'm going to get all of those

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and then Monday morning, Monday,
probably midday Monday, the tenth. I

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01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:56.359
will go through and I'll post a
video. I'll do the wheel thing,

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01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:59.439
but I'll just do a pre recorded
to give that away because you guys,

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01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.319
we gotta you know, there's no
time here. The championship game is the

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01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:05.840
sixteenth, So if you are invested
in that going to the UFL Championship Game,

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comment some sort of I want the
tickets entering into the tickets. You

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01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:15.840
need to have tickets be in your
comment on this video. I will go

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01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.039
through Monday morning, Monday midday and
we will post that. So that is

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how you will win the tickets.
You will be sitting in Row M with

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the professor Andrew Murray. We had
another set of tickets today, a wonderful

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01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:30.159
listener I guess donated to us to
gift out. We gave those the way

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01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:34.600
for the UFL recap. I guess
it was on Monday or Tuesday whenever.

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01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.319
That was Andy and I. So
you never know when you could win it.

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01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.119
You know you can win a free
jersey or free set of tickets,

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01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:44.560
so make sure you subscribe. We'll
see you guys next time. Hope you

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enjoyed the rest of the CFL Week
one. Hope you guys enjoyed the UFL

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playoffs. We'll see you next week. Take care, we'll see you next

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time. Picks