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That's how we spread the word about the 75 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:30,160 pirate ship. That's how we spread the word about Tim Butcha. Who knew 76 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Tim Butcha. It's a different kind of Kim kom Butcha. I always say 77 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,920 it wrong. I think I don't know if I say it right or wrong. 78 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:42,319 Yeah, so you're gonna have to try to get just a little bit 79 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:46,199 closer to the lie because people always complain and go your gets sound so far 80 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,079 away. I get it, And that's the thing. But Tim Garman is 81 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,879 the owner of the Fairport Brewing Company, and why do you make that face? 82 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,720 I think that's I think that's impressive. But just like you know, 83 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,079 craft beers had kind of popped up and exploded across the United States. I 84 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:11,160 think the first craft brewery I ever saw was nineteen ninety three Wassatch Brewery in 85 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,600 Park City, Utah. They had glass walls, and they were brewing and 86 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,519 you could watch them brew and it was like a pub restaurant. Was the 87 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:23,560 first one I had ever really seen like that. And then I came east 88 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,079 there was really nothing, and then all of a sudden, slowly over time. 89 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,399 Now I would think that it's in a business that has a high attrition 90 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,360 rate to some like businesses, common business go. Some beers make it, 91 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:39,959 some beers don't. You've been able to hang on, Man, that's impressive 92 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,240 as hell. I mean, through COVID and everything. Yeah. Yeah, 93 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,360 it's been a challenge. But COVID was a real tough you know, a 94 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:51,439 tough scenario for a lot of small businesses. I mean, we're we're just 95 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,959 one of them. I mean people just assumed that because you make alcohol, 96 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,120 you're going to survive, you know, and people who did make alcohol survived. 97 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:06,519 Yes. But I'm even hearing now that liquor sales are down for the 98 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:11,639 first time, beer sales are down nationwide. Yeah, and I'm wondering if 99 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:15,519 that has to do with the growth of the marijuana industry. Oh, there's 100 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,279 got to be a correlation. I would think there's got to be a correlation 101 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:23,360 for sure. But let's go back to your story because I find it interesting 102 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:27,720 because I met you Joe Ricado, had a show at your university location at 103 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,680 University Avenue, and I didn't know the whole story. And at that time, 104 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:35,319 I don't think you slept. No, I still don't. I think 105 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:42,040 you were like Draculas somewhere, but you were working correct. So how does 106 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:45,160 this all begin for you? Did it start with the kombucha or did it 107 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:46,480 start with beer? No, it started with beer. Ok, started with 108 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:50,680 beer. And it was all about switching gears. I was a medical device 109 00:07:51,439 --> 00:08:00,279 sales rep for thirty three years. About fifteen years ago, you know, 110 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,439 I started making beer in my office, which you know, it's in the 111 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,680 village of Fairport, just to switch gears. I did it with a buddy, 112 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,680 and before long, you know, we had UH. I had you 113 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,199 know, some some of my customers like coming over and so so some of 114 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,240 the people who were buying medical devices were coming over to your office and they 115 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,399 were buying some they were either sampling or you were giving it a little purchase, 116 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,000 a little bit of everything. It was. It was great. Some 117 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,480 people take their clients to UH to golf, you know, to to make 118 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:35,879 those big deals. I would just bring them to my office, and uh, 119 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,279 and then we also had neighbors. You know, we only had so 120 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,200 much capacity, so you know, the neighbors were always free to just come 121 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,320 on in and and help themselves. And so people would come in with pictures 122 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,879 while I had customers there and it was fun. So where where was this 123 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,600 all happened? Dewey, Dewey, Dewey Avenue, one bedroom apartment. So 124 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,360 you had a Dewey Avenue, one bedroom apartment in it was my office. 125 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,960 No right here in oh, right here village, in the village of Fairport. 126 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:07,039 Okay, I forgot, there's a Dewy avenue. Yeah. Build. 127 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,480 The cool thing about that is is when we decided in twenty ten to go 128 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:15,840 professional. It was a couple of middle aged dudes saying, hey, we 129 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,519 can push the paperwork. You know, we're we're smart enough. And it 130 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,159 was a big deal. It was actually a really big deal because there was 131 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:26,759 nobody I mean up here. I mean it was uh, you know Genesee, 132 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:30,600 Roerbox, custom brew crafters, right, and a few other people that 133 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,799 were just getting started. Well. Rhorboch would be the oldest one in this 134 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:37,080 area, right, I mean he started I think in ninety three as well. 135 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:43,279 Yeah, CBS actually, oh yeah, CBS was the oldest yet okay, 136 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,200 and then they're no longer rightrect yeah? Correct? Custom crafted? Were 137 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:52,840 they custom brew? Crafters? Crafters? That's right? So who's the one 138 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,960 that says that really encourages you? Are you all in on this? You 139 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:00,279 just seem to be a guy as a medical device guy. They kind of 140 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:03,000 looks at things. It may be waste the pros and the cons which is 141 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,799 the smart way to do it. But then when you have a passion for 142 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,120 something, sometimes you just got to go fuck it, be all in. 143 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:13,759 You know. The cool thing was is again I call it switching gears. 144 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:20,440 So my day job was in the operating room predominantly, and you know, 145 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,799 it gets a little stressful in the operating room sometimes. You know, I 146 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,639 did a GPS in the head, I did mapping and locating motor nerves and 147 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:35,799 powered instrumentation, so we could, you know, in head and neck surgery. 148 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,000 So what is your educational background then? Marketing? Marketing degree? Okay, 149 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,360 but then there's an awful lot of science involved in what you were doing. 150 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:48,279 Is you know, just learn on the job. I went to Niagara 151 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,799 University, I became school I became, you know, way back when a 152 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:58,519 medic I worked for a professional ambulance company in the city of Niagara Falls, 153 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:03,519 and I really loved the biology, the science, human and human anatomy and 154 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,159 things like that, so it was pretty cool for me. Getting into operating 155 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,600 room sales was like a no brainer. Yeah, I mean, there was 156 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,120 no money in emergency medicine and there probably still isn't. Yeah, did you 157 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,559 ever think of pursuing a medical career. You know, by the time I 158 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,879 did, it was too late. I had a family, you know, 159 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,639 a marriage, had a kid. Yeah, and uh yeah, it was 160 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,360 just it was just too late. But that would have been cool. It 161 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,960 would have been cool. Not as cool as making beer. No, not 162 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,039 as cool as making beer. And then I'm trying to like draw the parallels 163 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,840 here, because I would think that there's chemistry involved, there's science involved in 164 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,240 the beer making. No, there's so much science if I only listened in 165 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,679 high school, and my high school teachers are probably laughing at that. But 166 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,039 I mean the physics that we deal with every single day. I mean, 167 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,519 yesterday we had a root beer emergency over at Fairport Brewing because you know, 168 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,639 we just couldn't get the carbonation to stay in it. So this is all 169 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,360 physics. This is rupper you make. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 170 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,960 I would have brought some here today, but we had an emergency yesterday. 171 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,679 So or so when that happens, is it completely lost? Now? 172 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,200 It means you got to go back to the drawing board, you know. 173 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,679 So you set up your canning line, you're you're you're pumping the rootier out. 174 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:24,480 You're expecting, you know, your your carbonation to be there after you 175 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,320 do a case, you do some QC. And it was like it was 176 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,960 like all flat and you're like a shoot, So can you recarbonate that or 177 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:35,720 is that okay? As a matter of fact, you know, we had 178 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,600 a twenty five foot line. You know, I think our temperatures were just 179 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,080 too warm. So we were losing it in transit and you know in translation. 180 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,679 So here's where I'm seeing, Like from the technique, I always say, 181 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:52,879 the human body, if you really just break down to the simplest form 182 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,080 is pumps and pipes. Right, If you got a pump and then all 183 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,559 your pipes correct, and when you're running the brewery, it pumps the bipes. 184 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,759 Yeah, and there's a yeah, right if the carbonation isn't going. 185 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,759 So you're like a trouble shooting you like that stuff. We have a lot 186 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:11,000 of balls up in the air. Yeah, we're juggling, We're we're we're 187 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:16,240 dealing with problems and issues every single day because you're dealing with mother nature. 188 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,519 I mean, kombucha for crying out loud is mother Nature in a can, 189 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:24,120 right, you know, you know, we we've we've dealt with exploding cans. 190 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:30,639 We've dealt with exploding beers, you know, attenuation and bottles and confined 191 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,879 spaces. Thank god, we haven't had any exploding kegs. So you've got 192 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,440 the one bedroom apartment on Dewey. I'm assuming at that point you're you have 193 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,879 that was the man cave. That was the man cave, but that's where 194 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:46,720 you were living. I was not living. Oh and no, what's cool 195 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,600 about that? Bill? So that was your office, that was my office, 196 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:54,039 and we were able to get a federal license that said we were a 197 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,480 brewery in that in that one bedroom because nobody lived there and honestly got you 198 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:01,279 know, once we realize it's probably not gonna be a good idea to run 199 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,720 a brewery out of a one bedroom on Dewey because the neighbors were just gonna 200 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,639 you know, you're gonna have shipping and receiving every day, and you know, 201 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,600 just materials coming and going. We decided to move and we went down 202 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:22,360 to the Turkill Turkill Park is the Turkill Park, the one where amazing grains. 203 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,200 We were right next door to that. Oh man, I always wanted 204 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,600 I was looking years ago. Building was for sale there. Oh yeah, 205 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:33,559 many many years ago. I'm going back, maybe twenty five and Brownfield, 206 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:35,200 Yeah, and I was looking at buying it because I thought, what a 207 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,360 great thing for a studio and uh and then I got Chicken other home. 208 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,279 It's a huge place. It is a huge place. But I always thought 209 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,679 that would be cool to have, like a studio video all kinds of shit 210 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,159 going on, right anyway, So you go there, and then eventually the 211 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,200 firehouse, the old firehouse, right, I mean your location in the village. 212 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,240 It's pretty in real estate. I mean, that's pretty good, old 213 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:05,720 pure oil gas station, historic piece of property. And so the village, 214 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,080 the village of Fairport bought it when it was probably overpriced on the market. 215 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,080 And then what they did is they wanted to control it because of what happened 216 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,879 across the street. With the church and how the church almost got knocked down. 217 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,080 People in the village were pretty upset, and you know, they they 218 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:31,480 made it historic designated saved the church. So what the village did is they 219 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:33,840 bought that piece of property because they didn't want the same thing happened. They 220 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:37,840 had it designated as a historic piece of property, which is good and bad. 221 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,799 You know, we've we've had our trials and tribulations with historic preservation as 222 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:48,360 you might know, as some of your listeners might know. We had we 223 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:54,559 had put together a big expansion over there, like underground and you know, 224 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:00,000 and yeah, we got shut down really yeah because it's a historic Yeah, 225 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:06,559 yeah, because historic Preservation committee decided they didn't want it, even though even 226 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,559 though the entire village was like all for it. Yeah, we spent a 227 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:12,159 lot of money trying to make this happen. Yeah, it was going to 228 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,519 be a legacy. It was. It was so beautiful. In fact, 229 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:22,960 the previous uh president of that Historic Preservation committee was an architect, and we 230 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,799 hired him so that we could do it, right. Yeah, sure, 231 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:30,840 right, and it you know, it was you know, the paperwork looked 232 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,080 great. So history is preventing progress here, I mean, is what I'm 233 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,039 saying, that's the progress. It's like, it's kind of crazy. But 234 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:45,399 when you made that move from the one bedroom to the place to Church Hill, 235 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:48,559 now what happens I mean is it started. You just start growing and 236 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,320 start growing. You start out, you know, six hundred and thirty five 237 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,519 square feet looked like like it was huge. Oh my god, what are 238 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:56,519 we going to do with this next thing? You know, you're busting at 239 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:02,159 the seams. And at that time, you know we're going back like you 240 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:07,960 know, thirteen years ago. At that time, you know, there were 241 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,720 there weren't a whole bunch of breweries in in Rochester, so we would have 242 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:17,519 lines, you know, we would have all sorts of problems, you know, 243 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,480 just trying to trying to smooth out the operations, you know, work 244 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:23,279 within our budget, et cetera. You know, we didn't want to go 245 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,319 too deep. We wanted to walk before we run. Sure, we didn't 246 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:32,359 go out and get huge investment, so we were just you know, pouring 247 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,720 the profits back into the business. Right. So well that's usually me. 248 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,359 Yeah, I know that story. Yeah, you can do it two ways. 249 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,000 You can go out and get big money and then to live up to 250 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:45,359 it, or or you can, you know, bet on yourself. We 251 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,400 literally started in a five gallon bucket. Yeah, out of the See that's 252 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,720 the amazing thing. And to have the belief that this is going to work. 253 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:56,400 I mean, Bill, you've seen our you've seen our university where the 254 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,720 university place isn't really impressive, but that, I mean, you've got all 255 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,920 the lines, the canning and all that stuff in there. To go from 256 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,079 a five gallon bucket to that, do you ever? Are you ever? 257 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:11,000 I'll say it this way in awe of what you've done. And I know 258 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:14,400 that sounds a little silly because it's you and it's what you're doing every day. 259 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,759 But man, from where you were to where you are, I got 260 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:19,839 to think on the hard days. If you think that way, it may 261 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:23,000 make the hard days a little easier. It's true, we've got we've got 262 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:29,440 everything that we could ever ask for that any big brewery has, from de 263 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:34,400 filters to bright tanks to you know everything. I mean, we've got everything. 264 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:38,079 It's just you know, we're a little bit sure on labor these days, 265 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,480 okay, like so many other people. But that'll come back. I 266 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:45,960 mean COVID that was a COVID product of COVID. Yeah, you know, 267 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,880 and things are coming back. Things are good, so the science side of 268 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,119 things. Now, So then when did you expand to university? Let's go 269 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,759 there, because I would assume eiight years ago, five years ago. Yeah, 270 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:00,960 after we got shut down, after we got shut down with the with 271 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:06,319 the expansion and Fairport, we decided, well, we obviously needed a bigger 272 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,440 place. We looked over here at the cannery. It looked like scud missiles 273 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,839 had gone off and inside those walls, and I'm like, you know, 274 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,160 we need we need something, we need it now. So we we we 275 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,480 looked at University. It's ten thousand square feet and I'm like it's too big. 276 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:23,920 We're never going to grow into this thing. And and I walked away 277 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,599 from it and I came back to it. I'm like, all right, 278 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,759 let's go for it. Yeah, that was before COVID. That was about 279 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:34,119 a year and a half before COVID, and we grew into it. Now 280 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:40,599 we're busting at the seams again. Yeah. So, but never thought about 281 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:44,240 giving up the location here, No, No, So it was always going 282 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:47,279 to keep the footprint. We're Fairport Brewing. Yeah, And I just didn't 283 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:52,000 know if we're looking somewhere else within here. I mean the cannery certainly changed 284 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:55,519 now. But yeah, but when you need something today that was not turnkey, 285 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:59,799 that was not turnkey, No, not even close, not even close. 286 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:02,839 So it was pipe dream it was, it was. It turned out 287 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:04,839 great. I mean, yes, I mean the amount of people it's bringing 288 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,799 in a Fairport is good for Fairport. Yes, you know, I know 289 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,440 there's a lot of talk about parking, and yes, parking and traffic is 290 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,640 an issue, but that's a good growing pain for it. Yes, it 291 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,880 is, you have Yeah, I agree, I agree, And I keep 292 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,440 saying that there's some space that you can put a parking garage in and go 293 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:26,640 underground. Yes, and some rich guys, well, what is the one 294 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,200 across the street from us? They have underground? They landing, they do. 295 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,920 Yeah, so nobody uses nobody does. I saw somebody going to the 296 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:37,799 wait that's open. I have no idea. That's crazy. So with the 297 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:42,359 two locations, and then you're you're making I would assume a variety of beers. 298 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:45,519 Right, So that's exciting, it's growing, it's going that way. 299 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:48,799 Then all of a sudden, is it the science side of you? You 300 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,160 got a science brain, don't you a little bit only because I've been forced 301 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,480 to you know. Yeah, but I mean, I mean, but it's 302 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,279 a passion in a way, because then you come out with and it's not 303 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,599 it's tim correct, which I love. I like that names and uh and 304 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,720 you've got a whole line. But for a while, I mean, this 305 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:11,400 really became I don't want to say your focus, but it was maybe your 306 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,039 passion. It is a passion. Yeah, it's totally a passion. I 307 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:19,200 mean again, going back to switching gears, you know, it was all 308 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:22,960 about, you know, doing something that makes people smile. Okay, and 309 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,400 when you can sit down and you have a good product and you know, 310 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:32,720 the person you never met before in your life is saying, wow, this 311 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:37,559 is fun, this is great. There's yeah, it fuels the passion. 312 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,799 But yeah, making making beer, making kombucha, making a good is a 313 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:47,559 challenge, you know, because there's there's a million ways you can kill a 314 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,960 consumer beverage. There's a you know, I mean, when you're when you're 315 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,359 starting on a small scale, there's a million ways. You know, we 316 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,079 don't have computers that just do the work force. We do every step of 317 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,799 the way. So like you know, you take beer, I mean, 318 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,200 you can oxidize it so easily and kill it you can. I mean every 319 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,480 Brewers, every Brewer in the in the history of man has done it, 320 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,440 you know. But that's how we learn. It's like doing surgery. You 321 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,799 know, you just don't go to medical school and next thing you know you're 322 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,160 a surgeon. You know, you have a few way it might be. 323 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:26,720 It's a little scary, it's safe, Yes, I understand, but I 324 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:32,079 mean all of us, like I think a lot of people see the term 325 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,559 is failure. I don't like it as failure. It's just like that. 326 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,519 Okay, that's not the way. Let's go over failure. It is failure. 327 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,559 And when you have a when you have a thousand dollars batch go down 328 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,960 the drain, that's a failure. But if you don't learn from it, 329 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,599 it's a bigger failure. Well that is It really is. Yeah, it 330 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,759 really is. And we're you know, we've been doing this for a long 331 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:56,960 time. We're still learning. We're still learning. How many hours a day 332 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,599 were you when you were because you're no longer medicals? Correct? Correct? 333 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,720 So but that when did you stop? That? Recently? A year and 334 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,200 a half ago? Okay, so not that long ago. Post COVID. 335 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,279 So let's say, uh, go back to twenty nineteen pre COVID. Yeah, 336 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,079 what great year. By the way, Yeah, what's the what's a 337 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:21,319 Tim Garman day? Like? So Tim is, Tim is in surgery daily 338 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,839 work until two three in the afternoon, doing paperwork, and well he's on 339 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,079 the road because he's covering a big territory. While he's on the road, 340 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:36,160 he is, he's calling his director of operations say where are we with this? 341 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,640 Where we have that finger on the pulse? You know, I wasn't 342 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,960 doing it. I wasn't doing it after COVID, you know, with with 343 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,359 labor and issues like that. You know, so you were sort of the 344 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:51,279 the orchestra, the uh facilitator orchestra of every total. Yeah, but it 345 00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:52,480 was your brain child. I mean this is all your Yeah. Yeah, 346 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,880 yeah, I had a PhD. Chemist. How do you find these people? 347 00:23:57,079 --> 00:24:00,799 You know? Sometimes you just get lucky? Yeah, you really do. 348 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,160 I mean you got to ask somebody. I had lunch with one of 349 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Tom Gallasano's guys years ago, and he says, why don't you contact University 350 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:14,119 of Rochester and see if you can get somebody to do an internship? You 351 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,519 know, because science was such a big deal. So we brought in it. 352 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:21,000 We brought in a part time chemist who was working on her PhD. 353 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,720 And she was with us for like six years really, yeah, yeah, 354 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:29,559 six maybe seven years. So she's working on her PhD and she's doing switching 355 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:33,240 gears to the beer. Yeah right, but beer and kombucha, I mean, 356 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,720 this stuff is highly Why the kombucha? Why are you why? So 357 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,759 in twenty six, twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen, got a lot on my 358 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,440 plate. You know, one of my guys comes to a marketing meeting because 359 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,240 we're talking about marketing. You know, there's there's the evolution of things in 360 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,759 a business. We finally got to the marketing stage. Yeah right, and 361 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:56,599 so we got to tell people what you got. Yeah, h you got. 362 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,799 I gotta get out there. You should do the town crier, right 363 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,359 exactly, not anymore. So this guy comes to the meeting and he's got 364 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,319 a little Mason jar and he's he's like, hey, you want to try 365 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,079 something something different? And I'm like, what is it. He goes It's 366 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,599 kombucha, and like, no, we're talking beer. He goes here, 367 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,599 we'll try it later. I throw it in the fridge. Three days later, 368 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,079 I open it up. I try it. I'm like, whoa, 369 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:26,839 what is this stuff? And I call him and I says, Scott, 370 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,079 what what is it? You know? He goes, did you like it? 371 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,799 And I said, yeah, I really did. He goes, that's 372 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:34,960 because your body's craving it. And I was hooked and I was like, 373 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,759 what is it? You know it's been around since two twenty BC, Manchuria, 374 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,960 China, It's been all over the world. Probably the last place for 375 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,759 it to be is in the US. Well, so it's all about gut 376 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,680 health, but I'm ignorant to the benefits of anything. It's yeah, yeah, 377 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,720 so what people didn't realize, you know, going back twenty years ago, 378 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,119 is everything good or bad happens in your gut. Yeah, so, 379 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,519 you know, I mean it just it just is what it is. There's 380 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:10,640 so much talk about like probiotics and how how important they are. This stuff 381 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,880 is like natural. I mean, it's like you can't make it without probiotics. 382 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,400 You can you can there there. You know, some companies are dumbing 383 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,519 it up, but we do it traditionally the way it was done, you 384 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,440 know in two twenty you know, so and what it so? What when 385 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:33,240 you say probiotics and things. So what I called this greater Yeah, right, 386 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,400 we'll talk fermentation. Well that's what I mean, is that what's happening. 387 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:44,559 We barely ferment tea. Sweet tea gets fermented, and what you end 388 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:52,039 up with is is and and you introduce bacteria and yeast that live together symbiotically. 389 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Okay, okay, So you got this bacteria and yeast and that's a 390 00:26:53,759 --> 00:27:00,680 secret. That's a secret right there, Bartney and Stevie Wonder need talk about 391 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,920 it by side on my piano. Care there you go. Yeah, but 392 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,640 uh but yeah, so you know, once you once you do that, 393 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,960 then it's all about you know, monitoring it and if you're doing it at 394 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,039 home, and a lot of people do it at home, and it's been 395 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:18,720 done at home, you know for thousands of years, right, you know, 396 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,440 you just go by taste, you know, you know, but it 397 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,599 will ferment all the way down to vinegar if you if you let it. 398 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,759 Okay, So so we have to we have to. We have to monitor 399 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:36,000 it and we do. We've got a lab and you know, so so 400 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:41,119 what is it. It's a high end health beverage full of B vitamins and 401 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,119 probiotics. So b vitamins are great for energy. Yeah, of course, 402 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,599 of course B vitamins. I mean, like you take B twelve for example. 403 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,319 Yeah, B twelve you know is so important for your cardiovasc or, 404 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,640 it's so your neurovascular. I mean, it's just so important. And the 405 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:03,440 same thing is in this day, most fifty year olds and above are deficient 406 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,640 in B twelve. So they're running around, they're they're exhausted, they're they're 407 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,359 down, they're depressed whatever, right, and they don't know it because it's 408 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,480 so easy to be depleted. You know, there's there's not a lot of 409 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:21,440 foods you can get B twelve that right, So this is loaded with B 410 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:26,039 twelve and the B twelve comes from the yeast. The probiotics comes from the 411 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,799 bacteria. So it's that combination and it's just a it's a double whammy for 412 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:36,039 the guy. How long does it last? Like if I you refrigerate, 413 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,680 you buy it. Let's say I buy yah, keep it in the refrigerator. 414 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200 It's it's good for I mean, it doesn't go bad. It's just 415 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:48,720 going to slowly change over time. It will get more carbonated. Your can 416 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:56,400 might bulge, you know, but but you figure about ninety days. I 417 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880 mean it's a it's a perishable you know, you don't want to I mean, 418 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,039 I can't. We've had this issue so many times before where people buy 419 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:07,000 it and they sit on it and put it on their basement stairs and when 420 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,680 they go to open it, it just hits the ceiling. It's alive. 421 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:15,240 What's in here is mother nature. It's alive. Yeah. So is that 422 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,799 has that become more of your focus? The beers are because the beer selection 423 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,440 when I go in there is amazing. We have a lot of beers, 424 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,200 Yeah, a lot of beers. You know, obviously we're started as a 425 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,839 brewery, but we only serve I mean really, we're not doing wholesale and 426 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,519 beer. Okay, So KiB is A is a wholesale you know product. 427 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:42,920 So that would be the thing that would take you beyond the borders of New 428 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,759 York, New York. So let's Monroe County, I should say. Okay, 429 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:52,680 so let's go all the different flavors. I'll go back to that. 430 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,319 We'll stick with the the timbucha. And so that is something that's been growing, 431 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,599 but was growing prior to COVID. It was Yeah, COVID, COVID 432 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,880 hit us hardy, you know, I mean where where's our products sold. 433 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,400 It's sold in restaurants, it's sold in you know, grocery stores, et 434 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,880 cetera. But you know, we had we had distributors, like you know, 435 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,920 harder to distribute because it's a live thing, because it's cold, you 436 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,319 got to keep it coffrigerated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 437 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,480 But yeah, so again it's a COVID story. When COVID. We were 438 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:33,480 in nine states before before COVID. After COVID, we retracted right back to 439 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,480 New York and so we're we're just kind of regional. We've you know, 440 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,200 retooled our process and it was like starting a business all over. Who goes 441 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,000 out and sells it? Me? Yeah, okay, So I mean you 442 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,279 go and meet with different people, you're making cold calls. We had, 443 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:55,519 we had a whole bunch of customers here. Yeah. Again, we we 444 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,880 hired a distributor to handle it. Again, COVID knocked them out. We 445 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:07,440 took it back, and we've just been approaching the the customers that we we 446 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,759 had and we're doing it. But you know, like I said, short 447 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,920 top, you know, labor's tough right now. Sure, so again we're 448 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,279 working. Do you ever go out and do and then This will sound ridiculous, 449 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,920 but let's say, you know, farmers market or whatever, set up 450 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,279 a table and do free samples. People. We don't do farmers markets, 451 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,880 but we do. We do. You know some beer shows like yeah, 452 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,200 did a Buffalo Beer Geek show. Awesome up in Buffalo. We did the 453 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:37,640 Zoo Zoo Brew just you and you bring the timbucha to all that we bring 454 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,880 tim We bring yeah, because there's hard timbucha which has is Yes, that 455 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,119 was a COVID project. So you basically take a kimbucha and you amp it 456 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,559 up because you know, when you're when you're selling a healthy beverage, there 457 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,079 there is a a fraction of alcohol. It's it's an NA product, but 458 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,240 it's got to be below zero point five, just like in any year. 459 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,359 Hard kombucha. We go the opposite direction. And and when we looked at 460 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,519 it during COVID and you know, we're standing around, there's nobody coming in 461 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:15,480 because you know, nobody was allowed to. But we were an essential business. 462 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,559 So so uh, you know, we're like what do we do with 463 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:25,079 ourselves? So going back to our pH D, Jen I I said, 464 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:30,039 Jen, let's do it. Let's give me give me a recipe that gets 465 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,920 me to nine percent. And we looked at the mall. We looked at 466 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,759 and we looked at the market, and uh and the market was, you 467 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:44,759 know, clocking in at about three percent ABV maybe four hardly ever five. 468 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,640 And I'm like, we're going to be the biggest in the country. And 469 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,559 so we cranked it up and our first recipe was a huge success. So 470 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,720 that is our old Goat hard kombucha I had. I've had the okay, 471 00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,559 because I've had old Goat though with you, and I took some home and 472 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,079 I did it. Yeah. I enjoyed that. Cool. Yeah, because 473 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:12,240 in my mind I'm healthy because it's the kombucha. But I'm also taking a 474 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:17,920 ride. I liked. But that's ah. It's just interesting to hear this 475 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:23,920 story as it all unfolds and develops. COVID hurt the hospitality industry killed it, 476 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,160 but basically right killed it. And now I think people are very angry. 477 00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,880 You know, you're seeing things and I like to think maybe I'm naive 478 00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,920 people were operating out of caution in people's best interest. I don't know. 479 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:44,079 I wish we had thought things through a little bit better, because you know, 480 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,039 the health of the economy is very important for the well being of people 481 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:51,039 as well. It really is correct. So when you see that, but 482 00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,519 you survived, we did, we did. That's amazing. My sister who 483 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:58,480 owns a Birkenstock story and I just got to throw this out there because she 484 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,119 gave me a fifty to fifty shot because it's like your sister did. My 485 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,720 sister, she goes, yeah, you got about a fifty to fifty shot 486 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:09,519 of surviving, right, I'll take that challenge. Yeah, those are a 487 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:15,159 pretty good Hoddess. Wow. Where's her Birkenstock store. She's in Chicago, 488 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,000 Okay, Evanston, Yeah, a very successful. Yeah. Well, Evanston 489 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:23,320 is a nice area people people continue to buy Birkenstocks. Well, they're comfortable 490 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,559 and they got a great name. Well, I was not well. I 491 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:32,800 was looking at IDs through people's windows trying to deliver beer. I gotta tell 492 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,159 you it was. It was interesting because you go from like, you know, 493 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,880 being you know, the CEO of your company to be in a you 494 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,360 know, a delivery guy. Yeah, you know, but you got to 495 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,840 do what it takes. I would say that the best bosses, the people 496 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,280 you always want to work for, in my mind, is the guy who's 497 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,039 willing to do whatever, get us whatever it takes. Yeah, and we 498 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:58,800 do. And and I think that you know that you want, you want 499 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,679 a boss like that, and working for a place or you know that's small 500 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,480 by comparison to other places, would be great. And I think a great 501 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,480 leader knows what to do, no matter what it is, and knows what 502 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,400 is needed to motivate their people. And that's how you survive. Hey, 503 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:20,519 survival. Did you call your sister after? You know? Go, Hey, 504 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,760 I think I made it? Did it? Did it? Guess he's 505 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,559 got two thumbs that did it? This guy? Uh so the tim? 506 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,039 So now where can I buy this? If I'm going out? I obviously 507 00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:39,280 I would say come to PC. Yeah, go to Fairport either one of 508 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,480 our locations. You know in Fairport we we make deliver east daily. So 509 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,599 if you don't get the flavor you want today, just tell the bartender. 510 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,360 We'll have it for you tomorrow. We have people that buy in bulk over 511 00:35:52,400 --> 00:36:00,360 it over at University by cases at a time, save money. And there 512 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:05,079 you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, production, Mondays and Fridays are 513 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,679 usually iffy just because we're running errands, we're picking up grain. We we're 514 00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:14,400 a farm brewery so we support our local farmers. We drive, we drive 515 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,440 out to farms to get grain. We we you know, source hops locally. 516 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,559 When you're going to get grain truck, what are we doing here? 517 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:30,239 We got we got a van, We got those you know, and they 518 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,599 just put them in sacks for you fifty pounds. Yeah, and we're not 519 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,519 again, we're making one hundred gallons at a time. Okay, so you 520 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:43,960 know we're we're probably gonna use three hundred pounds of grain per you know recipe. 521 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,519 It's not huge. So what are take me to? Like a meeting? 522 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,119 Somebody goes, Tim, I got a great idea for a beer. 523 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:59,880 How does it go from that person's head to your board at Fairport Poring Company? 524 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,239 But a buffalo Buffalo beer geeks? You know that that beast from the 525 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,840 East that I brought over this morning. It was was something they came to 526 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,119 us and said, hey, do you want to participate? We have this 527 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:15,800 competition each year. It's a crazy competition and uh, and what we do 528 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,119 is we we we give you a theme. And this year's name was was 529 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:30,239 w w E or whatever it's called a World Wrestling Federation And so they so 530 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,320 they brought a bunch of guys together and they said, all right, you 531 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,119 guys come up with you know, a product, you come up with a 532 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,840 label, whatever. And we came up with the Beast from the East and 533 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,599 and it was it was something where you know, you play to win because 534 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:50,480 because there's going to be you know, five or six hundred customers that come 535 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,280 through that door for that beer show, and and they're all going to be 536 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,920 voting on you. And it's like, that's cool. So in my experience, 537 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,639 I'm like, geez, you know what beers typically win. You know, 538 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:07,360 it's usually a barrel aged you know, dark beer or or a super 539 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,239 you know I P A or sour. These days, sours are getting bigger 540 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,800 and we have not done a ton of sours. We've got one on right 541 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,239 now only because we just never liked them. Yeah. I mean when I 542 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,960 started brewing beer back in the day, if your beer was sour, you 543 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,079 did something wrong, you know what I'm saying. If it was hazy, 544 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,159 you take the hazy I p as. If you did a hazy beer, 545 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,760 you did something wrong, right, you know. So this is interesting. 546 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,039 But let's say so now that's one that you can go and order or pick 547 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,760 up in a can and take to your right, which one the beast of 548 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,840 the east beast? These we did a very limited women run again, going 549 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,440 going way off, going way out on the limb to try and get the 550 00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:00,079 fuse meant considerable risk. Did you win? No? Okay, they're they're 551 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:06,000 fifty other breweries there. Okay, but we did good. We got we 552 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,920 got great feedback. I mean it was good. So the beer, and 553 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,159 that's well at the end of the day. You know, one of the 554 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,559 things that these these two dudes back in the day, who are you know, 555 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:21,239 getting together to switch gears? You know. One of the things that 556 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,360 we used to say is if people don't like our beer, we'll drink it. 557 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:30,760 Yeah, we were serious. So, but how do you have meetings 558 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,199 with everybody? Because honestly, there's a bunch of different types like kinds of 559 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,719 beer, right that I can go in and get it. Yeah, So 560 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,920 where does that come from? And how does it go from idea to hey, 561 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,320 we I mean I would assume is there a meeting? I don't know. 562 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,440 No, there's there's a lot of times, you know, things are 563 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:52,480 things are constantly changing because it's a creative process. It is a creative process. 564 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,039 It's it's like you know, we're we're at the point where we're making 565 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,000 not the things that everybody expects, but some things that you know, we 566 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:05,000 just go out on a limb and we we try to get creative. I 567 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,639 mean, I'm gonna be doing a pickle sour, you know, coming up 568 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,559 pickle so sounds I've never done that before, but it sounds pretty cool. 569 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:17,079 Why where did the idea come from? Uh? One of my bartenders said 570 00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:21,559 she was at another brewery and it was amazing. Okay, all right, 571 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:23,159 let me look at that. Yeah, i mean we just did a we 572 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,840 just did a cream ol So that's what I'm saying, Like, so it's 573 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,719 in her head. Yeah, and then you say I've never had one. 574 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,599 Oh that's interesting. I'll make it myself. I'll give it a shot. 575 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,119 Yeah, I'll give it a shot. I mean when you look at our 576 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,639 hard kombucha, it was first shot. We knocked it out of the park, 577 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,079 right, So that was pretty cool. Yeah, this is you know, 578 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,239 you just never know. You just never know. There's a lot of 579 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,360 shots you take. You step up to the plate, you strike out. 580 00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,320 Okay, what was one you thought would be great and maybe wasn't. Is 581 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,239 that okay to ask you beer? Yeah, of course, I mean like 582 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,280 a flavor wise things that never made. Probably, Like you know, I'm 583 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:07,320 not really a big fan of the Apple Crisp because it's such a pain in 584 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,639 the ass Can I say that word, absolutely pain in the ass to make? 585 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,119 I dropped the F bomb early on. It's a whole different world, 586 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,320 yeld. It's such a pain in the ass to make. And there's a 587 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:24,480 lot of babysitting, Okay, you know it's it's the high touch babysitting jobs 588 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:28,559 that I don't like. But you know it's part of the business. You 589 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,960 just do it, and Mother Nature doesn't just because you want to take Saturday 590 00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:36,239 or Sunday off, it doesn't. She don't care. I got a beer 591 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,760 waiting for me today that has to be kegged. It's a it's the big 592 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,760 day I p A. And this is my third batch. You have an 593 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,519 I p A over there that I really like, and the name is Escaping 594 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:51,360 Me Fluffy. It might be it's really really good. Like you get to 595 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,559 Apollo Apollo, Ah, yes, the Apollo there. The beers, the 596 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:01,559 Fairport Broom beers are delicious. That's why I'm always interested in how the process 597 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:07,079 goes, because I would assume everybody's coming on. Hey man, I got 598 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,519 a great idea for a beer, and you got to be polite. Yeah, 599 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,559 but something might stick in your head. You know that's a great idea. 600 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,280 How like a pickle sour. We're not going to be the first ones 601 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,679 doing it, no, I understand that. But the but like it's like 602 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,079 a salt and vinegar chip, right, do you know what I'm saying. 603 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:28,960 There's many different varieties, but there's some really good, yes, and there's 604 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,360 some better than others. And we want to we want to be something like 605 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,280 yes, but again never having one and and jumping in and when we'll have 606 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,760 kombucha? Was exactly that. I made it to my taste. I said 607 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:46,119 I like this, and people liked it so right? Did you ever think 608 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,639 you had like a I always say the name wrong, but the salmi a 609 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,760 palette where you could taste and you know, well, I'm just I've seen 610 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,159 these guys come in and they'll take this and get it around, they'll blow 611 00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,920 it out their nose. The first time I saw that, I was like, 612 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,320 like, well, and then what do they do? Did they tell 613 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,960 you it's good or they tell you if it's good or bad? Really? 614 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,599 How? But what is that feeling like when you're so tell me about that. 615 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:19,800 Somebody comes in, they're just a beer snob. Oh call them, 616 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,840 and then does it feel judgy to you? Of course? Yeah, so 617 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:29,280 does of course it does, because it's one palette, one person's palated percent 618 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,320 to that person. But you know, we have thousands and tens of thousands 619 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,800 of palettes. But when you've got does it. I don't know how to 620 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,239 say this. It's almost like there's so much of you invested in this that 621 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,880 it's kind of feeling like a personal affront. At times you have to put 622 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,639 that yes you really do, of course you do, you really do. 623 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,800 But but I mean, this is your this is your baby, Yes, 624 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,119 this is your baby. Yes you did it by the book, you love 625 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:59,360 it, You're you're and somebody comes in and tells you and tells you it 626 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,719 sucks and you have to be able to take it. I wasn't always good 627 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,840 at that, It really wasn't. What would happen? Would you get mad 628 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,800 at people? I'd be like, what gives you the right? You know? 629 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,159 What gives you? Who? Who died and left you king? You 630 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,840 know? I mean, but but that's it. It's a personal blow, 631 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,840 you know, you know Jesus years ago, when I was on the road 632 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,519 finger on the Pulse, I had brewers, I had, you know, 633 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,920 partner or whatever, and their beer was getting our beer had my name on 634 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,880 it too, was getting trashed. And I'm like, oh ah, just 635 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,559 took somebody to task and uh a lot of keyboard idiot. I was just 636 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:44,519 going to crate media. No, it's not, because sometimes those things didn't 637 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,599 last forever, fire, backfire, you know, you become and that's where 638 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,760 it's really hard to do. But it's part of the learning process. You 639 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,840 want to you want to kill people, Well, I would think so, 640 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,320 because it's what you're you know, your passion, You've put so much into 641 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,920 this. They have no I want to get what the process is, what 642 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:05,199 goes into it. I have no idea how many different ways we can kill 643 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,000 a beer. Yeah, right, exactly. That's the tough. What is 644 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,599 a day like today like now for you, now that you're not doing medical 645 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,639 sales, I would you know just as lower. Yeah, it's just as 646 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,719 long. If you're not longer seven seven days a week. What time are 647 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,400 you up because you said you're early and we're doing this thirty six okay, 648 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,800 and then what time does the head hit the pillow? Jesus. We were 649 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,119 doing payroll at twelve thirty in the morning two nights ago. Last night, 650 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,920 I think it was an early night, but yeah, the night before was 651 00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,679 really late. Yeah, and I found myself twenty hour days. Yeah, 652 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,079 yeah, and you love it, you know what, I wake up, 653 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,840 I do it again every day because every day is a different challenge. Now, 654 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,519 can I ask, can I get a little personal? Sure, I 655 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:58,519 don't mean it like that, but your significant other, Yeah, it helps 656 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:04,639 a lot with this's she's our event coordinator. She's wonderful. She's a very 657 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:08,239 attractive woman, like stands out and you see her what's not which sounds gross 658 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,039 of me to say, And I don't mean that in a rude way, 659 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,559 but like you know, of course objectively. Yes, it's just like tasting 660 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:16,440 your beer. You know, maybe it's good, maybe it's not. No, 661 00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,519 right, she does, she's said, very professional, and I I 662 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,800 and then when you had introduced me a while ago, and then on Canal 663 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,800 Days, I saw her hustling, Like I go, that is a great 664 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,320 person I have in your life right there by your side through all this. 665 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,800 Yeah, I mean investors full on the keg, I would say the ship, 666 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,639 but the keg. We're making beer. So what's what's the future then? 667 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,719 Is the future really for you? The the kombucha you think beyond. 668 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,800 I'm not trying to stop doing beer. That's how a bent I mean a 669 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,320 beer beer again is local. Yes, it's two locations. Yeah, you 670 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,239 know if we if we if you see our beer on a shelf anywhere, 671 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,239 it's because we did somebody a favor, but we don't. So you're you're 672 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,519 not going to see us. You're not going to see us, Okay, 673 00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:05,679 you're just not going to see us, not out of beers of the world, 674 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,159 not no ajs, you know, the little c stores. You're just 675 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:17,039 you know again, it's uh, it's just we cap it at two locations 676 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,159 because of the size of our brewery. Okay, the size of the brewery. 677 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:25,360 We're probably the smallest brewery in Rochester. We're three barrel. That means 678 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,920 we're making ninety three gallons at a time, you know, so we got 679 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:37,719 enough just for our two locations, which is great. Kimbucha I'm hell bent. 680 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,199 Yeah. Yeah. We we have people that drive in from Syracuse, 681 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,239 Buffalo to pick up cases and stuff like that, and it's it's pretty cool. 682 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,079 So now that's got to be on the other side. That's the other 683 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,079 side. We have enough capacity, and I think I showed you that night 684 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,119 the wall of for manners we have. We have enough capacity to feed the 685 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,239 world. But what I was going to say, what I mean by the 686 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,119 other side is that's got to be a really great feeling when somebody is driving 687 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:12,400 an hour and a half to get your product because they they like this, 688 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,400 this type of product, yours is the best. Yeah. Yeah, And 689 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,440 we get that, We get that a lot. So how do you get 690 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,599 the word out about it? Marketing? You know, it's not so much 691 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:27,760 a word, especially around here. Most people know the brand what what it 692 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,719 is is. It's about logistics. We got to get out of here. 693 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,840 We got to get to Florida, We got to get to you know, 694 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,360 New Hampshire and Ohio and stuff like that. And that involves other It involves 695 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:45,599 distribution, It evolves trucking, you know, the right kind of refrigerated trucking. 696 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:52,320 It involves probably food shows, you know, you know, going to 697 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,480 like national events and stuff like that and doing those tastings that you were talking 698 00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:01,760 about. But you know, again it's there's only one of me. So 699 00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,119 I'm on it. I'm on it. Well you're into science, you know 700 00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:10,159 people there, could you clone yourself make another? You know what I'll tell 701 00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:16,840 you. I keep saying labor is really it is really tough finding that person. 702 00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:21,119 Yeah, well here's the thing. We've tried. We've tried. I 703 00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:22,719 just got to think it's got to be hard to find the person. We 704 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,679 say, find the person, But when it's something that that is that personal 705 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,800 to you, you want somebody who's going to care. And nobody's ever going 706 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,559 to care about your business as much as you do. That that we get 707 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,760 true. But you want somebody who's going to be honest and trustworthy and come 708 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,199 with ideas and be a more or less a partner. I would always say, 709 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,880 you know, when you had a job at least like in radio and 710 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,840 here uh here and I'm independent, but even on radio, I would always 711 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,360 go, it's my I'm like hanging out a shingle on their stick, so 712 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,199 to speak. Right, So this is my thing and I own it, 713 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,320 and I'm going to treat it like I own it. Now I'm going to 714 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:01,639 run through walls, right, And I feel like if you come with that 715 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,559 with a job, who knows what could happen? Right, you know, 716 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,360 and that that those are the how do you find people? You just keep 717 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:15,719 you know, sometimes sometimes they just find you because they're passionate about what you're 718 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,679 doing and they want to be a part of it. And we've we've had 719 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,119 that in different you know and different What are you looking forward? You know, 720 00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:27,400 I'm looking to replace myself someone someone who wants to be like the product 721 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,440 manager. Well, I can grow the business. I mean, my my 722 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,719 forte is sales. But I but I understand this business pretty pretty well. 723 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,920 So you have to replace yourself eventually, you have to. But you got 724 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,760 to make sure everything is in place before you do that, you know what 725 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,360 I'm saying. So, like in October of last year, we started doing 726 00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:52,119 we changed our process and how we make this and we start and then we 727 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,239 have to do shelf studies. So we're six seven months into shelf studies. 728 00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,719 Wow, I know, it's crazy. Well, there's just so many les. 729 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,119 I just think there's so many layers to it that people don't understand. 730 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,119 And it's a lot of work. Yeah, it's a lot of work, 731 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,079 and you're constantly juggling, you know, Oh god, I got to do 732 00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:13,960 this, Oh God, I got to do that. And you're dealing with 733 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:20,639 I mean regulatory yesterday. Yesterday, I'm at the university and fire marshal. 734 00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:24,360 I'm throwing stuff in the in the dumpster and the fire marshal approaches me and 735 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,159 says, hey, yeah, I just checked out your place, and you 736 00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,920 know you're good here. Like regulatory, Yeah, they come in whenever they 737 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,880 want. I mean, we're highly highly highly regulator. All right. I 738 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,159 got to ask some questions since you touched on this, all right, are 739 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:45,239 there if they came in and said, do you warrant in compliance or there 740 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,320 was a something that was off, do they give you time to fix that? 741 00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:53,480 It depends on the regulator? Okay, could they find some? Regulators 742 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,800 can find you and they will some. Is that like a state fine? 743 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,599 Yeah yeah, it's a state thing, right, because that's always my thing, 744 00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:07,000 is like to run a business bill, state liquor authority. Yeah. 745 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:08,159 Yeah, I'm sure you've heard yeah, yeah, yeah, you've heard them, 746 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,559 right, But you're talking. This is the fire marshal. They'll come 747 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:14,400 in, yeah, fire marshal. I mean, I'm sure he's got powers 748 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,519 to do that. But you know what, those guys are pretty reasonable. 749 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,360 Yeah, they come in and they're like you know, if there's something wrong, 750 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,559 they're going to be like, you know, fix it, call me 751 00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:27,480 right, right, right, and then I'll come back. We did, 752 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,880 yeah a lot of times that's what they'll do. But what I was saying 753 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,840 is once is like, I go, it's so hard to do anything. 754 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,159 Sometimes even at your house. You got to get permits, you got to 755 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:37,400 pay for all this stuff. There's so much you don't even know what you 756 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,000 need. That's a big problem. You don't even know, right, So 757 00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:45,159 some of these things right, and it's like you get educated along the way. 758 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,519 You know. Last year, I got a call from the FDA. 759 00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,880 I'm like, we make beer, we makemucha these are fermented things. And 760 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:57,639 it was out of Syracuse and he was trying to decide whether he was going 761 00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,400 to make a trip up to inspect our facility. And when he realized how 762 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,599 small we were, he's like, I'm not going to waste the taxpayers money. 763 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,079 And I said, I appreciate that. Yeah, you know, but 764 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:12,719 everything's in compliance anyway. We we we try it. I mean, it's 765 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,840 yeah, I mean we don't we don't build ourselves out as code inspectors. 766 00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:22,280 No, right, but I understand what we're expected to know. You're you're 767 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,880 putting out a product that you want people to have, that's going to follow 768 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,480 all the rules to to make that work. I love the fact that the 769 00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,440 beer is just going to stay local. I think that that makes it even 770 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,039 cooler, that makes it more special. Yeah, it really does, because 771 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,400 you really got to you know, if you want Fairport beer, you got 772 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,039 to make a trip. Yeah, you know, right, come along the 773 00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,320 canal. When was the last time you were able to kick back and enjoy 774 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,199 one of your beers and not really think about anything else? Never? You 775 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,440 know what? Right? Probably not? Because if I sit if I sit 776 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,679 down the street and have a beer, my mind is going a mile a 777 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,920 minute, like, what's my bar tender doing? You know? What's that 778 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,239 guy over there drinking? Does he like it? You know? I mean 779 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,920 you know what I'm saying. You're just you're just constantly on Yeah, constantly. 780 00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,559 Yeah, I got it. But it's okay, it's okay. That's 781 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,679 what you do. Have you taken a vacation at all? We try we 782 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,559 take vacations as much as we can because we have to. We have to 783 00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:22,719 get away from it. Yeah, I would think so. But when you 784 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,840 go away, do you chaste the beers and things like you're you're visiting other 785 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,719 breweries all the time. You never get away from all the time. Yeah, 786 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,480 and it's cool and I drink beers. I don't necessary. I would 787 00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:39,280 never reach war just to just to see what's what all the hoopla is about? 788 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,079 Right? You know? When will the pickle sour be? When does 789 00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:45,320 that come? As that sounds summary? Yeah, I don't know why. 790 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:51,519 It probably is. It probably is. I'm guessing in the next month. 791 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,880 Really it'll be ready? Oh nice, Yeah, it'll probably be about thirty 792 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,400 days. Thirty days? Have you started this whole process of what to make? 793 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,000 And I just decided like two days ago that I was going to do 794 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,280 it. See now I love this and I so I start ordering in the 795 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,039 different ingredients and like this is how I'm gonna do it, and this is 796 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:12,400 how I'm gonna approach it. It's it's like, do you dream about this 797 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,840 ship too so in your head all the time? Like hotly, I don't 798 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,320 have time to dream. Probably not, not if you're going to bed at 799 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,039 twelve thirty to get up at five thirty or six. Yes, you push 800 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,840 it, push the envelope. I mean some days you're like, God, 801 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,199 you know, you got to look at your phone. Yeah and see what 802 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,320 David see where you're supposed to be. Yeah, sure, what's going on 803 00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:36,079 exactly? Well, I think this is interesting. Get out there, try 804 00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,079 the timbucha. I think you're gonna love it. If especially the if you're 805 00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:42,119 a kombucha fan, you're going to love this. If you've never had it 806 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,840 and you're looking for the health benefits, maybe you're reading about it. It's 807 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,119 getting a lot of a play in the press these days. Kombucha. Yeah, 808 00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:52,639 uh, and no, no kombucha company is making any health you know 809 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,800 guarantees. No, you know, it's just their health. There's a lot 810 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,960 of there's a lot of biology in your gut, yes, there is. 811 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:02,760 And most people know if they've got good gut or bad gut, and the 812 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,639 ones that got bad gut, you know they got they should probably take it 813 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:10,400 a little bit slow. But oh take it a little bit slow. Yeah. 814 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,360 Yeah, but this will balance things out over time, because that's what 815 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,119 you know, that's what it's been known to do, not just ours, 816 00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:23,639 but any any traditional kombucha. And when I say traditional, if you look 817 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:29,920 at our label, you won't see that we dumped in four hundred billion probiotics. 818 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,000 You you won't see that. That's traditional. If you don't see that. 819 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,920 If you do see it, I mean somebody kind of sort of dummed 820 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,639 it up a little bit, and it's not traditional anymore. Right, So 821 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:46,079 this is the traditional, it's traditional. How many flavors we got eleven? 822 00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:52,119 We got eleven. We do have eleven, but you know, we we 823 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,400 kind of mix it up. Sure we don't always have eleven on the shelf, 824 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:00,239 but we at least have six. Yeah, and and eventually all way 825 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,480 to the West coast. That's a goal. I would think this. I 826 00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:06,800 would think Tim Bucher would be a smash. It would be pretty cool. 827 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:12,119 Yeah, in places like Oregon and you know, yeah, I mean there's 828 00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,639 a lot of k companies out there, I'm sure, but they haven't met 829 00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,000 Timbucci. That's right. And that's the thing. You got to go for 830 00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:21,239 the best. Well, this has been fun. I appreciate it. A 831 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,679 Fairport Brewing company right at the corner of Maine and Church Street, christ Church 832 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,519 Tract. Yeah, that's the tap room. That's the tap room, and 833 00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,000 then down on University forty four University. Yeah, it's a little you got 834 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,400 to go back a little bit back but there's signs. You can see the 835 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:43,039 signs. It's not sometimes there's uh, you've got live and entertainment in there. 836 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,639 Sometimes we do. We do a ton of events, a ton, 837 00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:50,840 so we're almost I mean we're open to the public today, you know, 838 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,440 I mean Fridays and Saturdays. You know, Friday's four o'clock, Saturdays, 839 00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:00,440 twelve o'clock Sundays too. Right now, we're not open on Sunday. But 840 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,480 why do I see Runner? I thought I saw people. Oh maybe that 841 00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:07,480 was Mondays. There was a Runners group that I would see on Mondays. 842 00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:10,199 Over over in right here at Fairport. Fairport's open seven days a week. 843 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,400 Talking about a universe gotcha University. We have a huge event space. We've 844 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,360 got a full bar. We have a full bar. And that's the other 845 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,159 thing. We just got a full bar down the streets. I saw that 846 00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:23,719 liquor license, which is kind of cool. It is kind of cool. 847 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,639 Now we got something for everyone. So the people that don't like craft beer, 848 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,320 you know, too heavy to whatever, you know, now they can 849 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,320 get a Jenny light, you know, which is kind of cool. But 850 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,800 but yeah, over at university we do free events space and it has been 851 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,559 a smashing success. That really has been. We can fit up to two 852 00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:49,159 hundred and forty nine people according to the code, and we got a full 853 00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:54,159 stage, we got smart TVs, we got we've got sound, professional sound 854 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:59,599 there, and we do when you say free event space, if I had, 855 00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:01,400 we don't charge for the venue. Yeah. So if I said, 856 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,480 hey, I want to you got to book it. Yeah, you got 857 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,840 to book it, go on, go online, host an event page. 858 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,679 Right, what you're gonna do? I mean, we have to accept it. 859 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,280 Sure, I mean, okay, you get, you get, you 860 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:21,880 know, you know, use this example because it's real. But you know, 861 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,360 say you get a kids group. You know, we make our money 862 00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:28,360 when people visit the bar. You know what I'm saying. So you know, 863 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,360 if it's a church group or whatever, nobody drinks, it's probably not 864 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,440 going to be right for us. It won't be a win win. But 865 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,440 but yeah, we do birthdays, we've done weddings, we do receptions, 866 00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:44,599 really do corporate events. What we had Highland Hospital nursing there the other night 867 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,920 doing a recruiting event. So very cool, really cool. You can decorate 868 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,400 it any way you want. We keep it pretty neutral in there so that 869 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:57,840 you can decorate it for your occasion, very cool. And then and then 870 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,920 I know here in the village of Fairport, there's live music. You got 871 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,920 the fire, Yeah, we do a ton of yeah music. It's it's 872 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,639 really great in the summer. Yeah, yeah, it's totally a summer Then 873 01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:15,679 you that patio has got to be probably one of the best the county for 874 01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:17,559 sure. Yeah, for sure, we got we got a stage over there. 875 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,760 Intent I think it draws people in when you start seeing only getting better. 876 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,480 We make investment into that property every year. Yeah, you know, 877 01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:30,039 so we just keep trying to careful. It's historical, I know, don't 878 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,079 touch it. Historical will get hysterical and then you're gonna be a lot of 879 01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:39,239 trouble from there. Tam Garment, it's been a pleasure Fairport Brewing Company. 880 01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:45,559 Get the timbucha, get the hard timbucha. Get how many flavors of beer 881 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:47,280 are there? Why did I want to say thirty two? And I don't 882 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,800 think we've got we've got I mean, we have way more recipes. It's 883 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,960 what what do we have on We've got forty seven taps over at University, 884 01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:01,519 but I don't know you, I mean over here we got seventeen, right, 885 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,559 something like that. You're like a mad scientist doing all this stuff. 886 01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:07,760 That's just fun. It is. It is fun. That's the greatest thing. 887 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,519 It's a passion and it's really turned out well for you. And I 888 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,840 love seeing that you're not doing the surgery anymore. Yeah, do it an 889 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,800 you this so check it out. Fairport Brewing Company. Get the timbucha for 890 01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:34,760 Tim Garman. I'm Bill Moran, will see you tomorrow. The Big Hotel 891 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,280 didn't know what to do. I'm trying of TV. Don't do the letter 892 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:44,440 to you a danger a stay