WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.360
This is a commercial, free archive
edition of our live radio show that airs

2
00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:12.880
every Friday at noon, Arizona time
on openminds dot TV. Welcome to Open

3
00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:18.079
Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former Director of Public Education and official

4
00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:23.640
spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network.
Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and

5
00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:28.679
journalist for nearly a decade and has
logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal

6
00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:33.240
up close and personal. And now
Open Minds Radio presents evidence and the latest

7
00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:40.039
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's
your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello,

8
00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:45.439
and welcome to Open Minds Radio.
This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another

9
00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:52.039
amazing show today. Our guest is
Barbara Lamb. She's an abduction researcher.

10
00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:56.439
I'm really excited about this because i
haven't had her on the show before and

11
00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.520
I'm a big fan of her work. She's a licensed mayor and family therapists

12
00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:07.840
who's facilitated thousands of regressions. She's
taken the abduction experiences reported to her seriously

13
00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:12.560
and has been a help to hundreds
of people who have been traumatized or just

14
00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:19.159
confused by these experiences. So she's
going to share with us her perspectives and

15
00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:26.480
experience on this very controversial and strange
occurrence people claiming to be abducted by aliens?

16
00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.079
Is it really happening, Well,
we're here, we'll hear why this

17
00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:37.040
therapist believes that it is happening.
If you want to read more about her,

18
00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:41.000
you can go to Barbara Lamb and
her name is spelled b R B

19
00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:49.840
A R A la mb MFT dot
com MFT standing for Marriage and Family Therapists.

20
00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:55.439
However, before we get to Barbara, we're going to cover our UFO

21
00:01:55.760 --> 00:02:01.680
news headlines from conventional media around the
world. If you go to Openminds dot

22
00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:06.959
tv, we update it on a
regular basis. We keep a close eye

23
00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.080
on the news going on around the
world about UFOs, and believe it or

24
00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:14.479
not, there is news and this
is convention. This is Fox News,

25
00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:19.080
MSNBC, all the big guys.
They're talking about UFOs and you can go

26
00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:24.039
see the evidence right there on the
website. We've got our correspondent, Jason

27
00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:29.840
McClellan. Jason, what was the
UFO news for the week? Thanks Alejandro.

28
00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:35.120
In the news this week, Canadian
Defense Minister Peter McKay still does not

29
00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.080
know what the mysterious object over Newfoundland
was last week, but he announced that

30
00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:44.159
the federal government will be stepping in
to take action. McKay was quoted as

31
00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.639
saying, we will provide money to
build a landing strip for UFOs. He

32
00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.919
quickly made it clear that he was
only joking and that he feels there's no

33
00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.159
need to worry about the unidentified flying
object. But there is still no official

34
00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:59.919
explanation for the object. Yep,
very strange. I think there's a pick

35
00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.240
up on one of these news stories
too of this thing. But yep,

36
00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:09.439
weird stuff flying around up there.
People. There was one Bjorn Borg,

37
00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.879
a sixty three year old Finnish UFO
researcher, who actually claimed that this type

38
00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:21.560
of sighting happens every single year and
it's simply weather hitting the sunlight of the

39
00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:25.560
vapor trail of airlines. But if
that's the case, you would think the

40
00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:29.879
Prime Minister and all these other people
would say that that it happens all the

41
00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.159
time. And looking at the picture
doesn't really look like where an airliner would

42
00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.039
be flying, and right, yeah, and this picture it definitely looks like

43
00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.240
a solid object. And the concern
was that actually it's a missile because it

44
00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:44.919
looks like a missile. But then
who would have launched a missile from that

45
00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.120
area? So there was a lot
of talking back and forth between governments with

46
00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.000
France and different countries about well,
did you fire a missile? No,

47
00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.639
okay, so we didn't do it. Did you do it? So another

48
00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:06.560
mystery. Also in the news,
President Obama on Monday announced the cancelation of

49
00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:13.319
NASA's Constellation program. This is the
program that was designed to take humans back

50
00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.199
to the Moon. The program,
initiated by former President George W. Bush,

51
00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:21.160
was too costly, behind schedule,
and lacking an innovation. According to

52
00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:27.079
President Obama, NASA has already spent
nine billion dollars on the Constellation program.

53
00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.439
The program's resource train on other US
Space Agency activities led to its axing,

54
00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.800
and the President plans to turn to
private companies to help initiate a new era

55
00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:41.000
of launching humans into space. In
his budget announcement, President Obama said he

56
00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.000
plans to allocate six billion dollars to
NASA for research to be done here on

57
00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.920
Earth, while other funds are plans
to be used to incentivize private companies to

58
00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:54.079
research and develop new types of propulsion
systems, spacecraft and new exploration strategies.

59
00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:59.399
There have already been concerns voice about
safety of space vehicles manufactured by private companies,

60
00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:03.399
but this new program NASA would set
and oversee all standards, especially stacy

61
00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:08.439
standards. Believe it or not,
there are a lot of people in the

62
00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:14.040
space industry, aerospace industry involved with
UFOs, and I have some friends in

63
00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.120
the industry and they were saying,
even a friend of mine who is a

64
00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:24.720
contractor at NASA, they were literally
going and pulling up Apollo rockets to figure

65
00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.759
out how they did it in the
past. I mean, they were going

66
00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.079
way back into old technology for this
project to go back to the Moon.

67
00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.759
So on the one hand, it
does make sense that NASA should focus on

68
00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:41.720
new technologies instead of going back to
these very old technologies. And I know

69
00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.480
private industry is going to be real
excited because one of the companies that we've

70
00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.639
talked about, Bigelow Aerospace, who
helped fund some UFO research and may continue

71
00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:55.199
to do that, but has funded
paranormal research throughout the years. They'll be

72
00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:00.639
the ones taking the lead on space
technologies. Interesting right, Hopefully they'll be

73
00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.360
more open to sharing what they find. I hope. So. In other

74
00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:09.000
space news, the Hubble telescope discovered
an X shaped object this week, traveling

75
00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:13.079
at a speed of eleven thousand miles
an hour. NASA says it's probably a

76
00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.639
comet, but it behaves unlike any
comment seene before. It has an X

77
00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:20.439
shape debris pattern, and it's four
hundred and sixty foot wide. Nucleus is

78
00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:26.480
outside the dust halo and separated from
the trail. NASA speculates that this object

79
00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.160
is a commet resulting from the collision
of two asteroids, but they really aren't

80
00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:32.800
sure. Yeah, another one.
You know, I think it does look

81
00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:39.160
like it's probably like some sort of
comment or, but it demonstrates that there

82
00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:43.240
are still a lot of mysteries out
there, a lot of unknowns. You

83
00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.920
know, a lot of people think
scientists have it all figured out, but

84
00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:48.759
we don't really have a whole lot
figured out, you know, just like

85
00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.600
everything, the more answers we get, the more questions we find, which

86
00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:56.600
is why you know, it's great
to have more fun and going to NASA

87
00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:01.000
to do more research here because there's
still so much more we don't understand before

88
00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.879
we're even going into space and looking
at other planets and other galaxies. Right,

89
00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.839
Well, that is it for the
news. There are so many more

90
00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.199
news stories we don't have time to
cover them right now, but all of

91
00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.560
these stories and more are on our
website at Openminds dot Tv. From the

92
00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.399
Open Minds News Desk, I'm Jason
McClellan back to you, Alejandro. All

93
00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:26.079
right, Thank you, Jason.
That's been a lot of help having someone

94
00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.399
help me with the news as we
go through it. And you know,

95
00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.279
you can read these, like I
said, at Openminds dot tv, and

96
00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:36.079
you can read some of our news
stories. So we have exclusive news that

97
00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:42.879
we post. One of our new
sections of our website is called Unacknowledged Aviation,

98
00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.040
and we have a guy, Michael
Stratt, who's a narrow space historian

99
00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.040
and he's been looking into a lot
of that what we call black budgets,

100
00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:57.120
and these are also called unacknowledged because
these are aircraft that are being worked on

101
00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:00.519
but they're so top secret that we
don't know about it. Some of these

102
00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.000
are programs that go all the way
back to the sixties. But we have

103
00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.519
a great story on the Brilliant Buzzard
and this was sort of a two stage

104
00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.040
aircraft where it's like an SR seventy
one, and it has a smaller plane

105
00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:18.959
behind it that launches off of the
back of this plane. Some really cool

106
00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.759
stuff and some great graphics of these
things that you can see on the website.

107
00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:28.399
Another story you might have seen personally
up on the news is this Irish

108
00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.879
UFO where you see this night vision
triangular shape. It actually wasn't taken in

109
00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.320
Ireland. It was in Fresno,
California, in December of two thousand and

110
00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.000
eight. Really cool video. And
we have a story clearing up all of

111
00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.399
these mistakes that the popular media has
been making, and some links to some

112
00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:52.840
stories from Fox and MSNBC News where
they've been covering this story, so you

113
00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:58.279
can go see those on the front
page of Openminds dot tv. However,

114
00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:03.440
with our guests coming up here in
a few minutes, Barbara Lamb, she's

115
00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:07.919
been investigating abductions for a long time. She has been talking to and regressing

116
00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.279
a lot of people. In fact, she's send lectures on the different types

117
00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.360
of entities that these people are reporting. So we'll talk about that and while

118
00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:22.120
aus also ask her how she came
to know about all of this and what

119
00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:28.440
made her believe that these people were
telling the truth. So that is all

120
00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:33.519
right. After the break, we'll
be right back talking about abductions with Barbara

121
00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:46.519
Lamb. You're listening to Open Minds
Radio on KFNX eleven hundred. All right,

122
00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.120
we are back. You're listening to
Open Minds Radio and I'm your host,

123
00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.000
Alejandro Rojas. I wanted to tell
you at Openminds dot tv, we

124
00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.720
also have a great video producer and
he puts together news stories like you would

125
00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.639
see on CNN or something. They're
very well done. You can see those

126
00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.080
on the front page. Just click
those and a lot of these news stories

127
00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.840
we talk about, you know,
we package these and put them together ourselves

128
00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:15.960
with some great graphics and more detail
than you're gonna get anywhere else. So

129
00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.159
check out those videos at Openminds dot
tv. And I believe we have our

130
00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.399
guests on the line. Barbara Lamb, are you there? I am,

131
00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.120
yeah, it's happy to be here. Oh right, I'm very happy to

132
00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.200
have you. I really appreciate the
therapists in this field because there are a

133
00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:41.039
lot of researchers and unfortunately sometimes the
people who have abduction experiences are kind of

134
00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.639
treated like guinea pigs as opposed to
you know, humans and being helped,

135
00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.840
so I appreciate that people like you
are out there to help them. Well,

136
00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.600
thank you. I think it's very
important that some of us are right.

137
00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.120
So when did this all start for
you? When did you first come

138
00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.879
to know of about the abduction phenomenon
and take it seriously? Well. I

139
00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.720
was licensed as a psychotherapist in nineteen
seventy six, and I still do regular

140
00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:15.480
psychotherapy work with many people. But
in the mid nineteen eighties I began to

141
00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:22.519
be trained by the Association for Past
Life Research and Therapies, and I was

142
00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:28.159
trained in regression therapy and one of
the trainers I took five years of training

143
00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.720
actually, and one of the trainers
finally said, those of you who are

144
00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:37.919
doing regression therapy with people might find
that sometimes someone will come to you who's

145
00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:46.360
been very mystified, even traumatized in
some cases by being visited by unusual beings

146
00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.080
who don't seem to be from this
planet, and sometimes they're taken away for

147
00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.559
a while, and you know,
they really want to know what happened,

148
00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.240
and they're also afraid to know what
happened. Was that first time I had

149
00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:05.039
heard about that the phenomena, Yes
it was, and that was nineteen eighty

150
00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.440
eight, and I had never been
a fan of UFOs. I've ever followed

151
00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:15.279
that interest whatsoever, So I was
really shocked when this trainer said that.

152
00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.000
And then it was about three years
later, after trying to find out if

153
00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:26.039
I thought that UFOs really do come
here and do they have occupants. So

154
00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:33.120
by nineteen ninety one, my first
client came who had been very mystified and

155
00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:43.240
traumatized by experiences with these extraterrestrial beings. And since then, Alejandro, there

156
00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:48.480
have been almost seven hundred more Wow, individuals who've come for regression work for

157
00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:54.279
that type of experience. And it's
amazing because some of them have lived close

158
00:12:54.399 --> 00:13:01.679
enough to me I'm in southern California
and close enough to me to come for

159
00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.759
quite a number of regressions. Some
have come twenty times, or thirty times,

160
00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:11.720
or forty times, or even fifty
different regressions. So it's approximately two

161
00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:20.200
thousand regressions I've done by now,
two people's extraterrestrial encounters. Now, when

162
00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.320
you first heard about this in nineteen
eighty eight from your trainer, what did

163
00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.960
you think about it? Did you
think it sounded kind of strange that people

164
00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.879
would report this? Well? I
did. I thought it was very odd.

165
00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.679
In fact, I was just stunned
because I had never heard of it

166
00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:43.200
before. And as I said,
I never paid attention to UFOs. I

167
00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.039
just thought that was all science fiction, right, and so this really shocked

168
00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.480
me. But even more than that, something else happened right at that instant,

169
00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:58.600
which was that I heard a big
voice inside my own head saying,

170
00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:05.799
very vehemently, pay attention to this, Barbara, you will be doing this.

171
00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:13.759
So between hearing this new thought about
people being taken away by other beings,

172
00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.320
and then this voice wherever that came
from, I don't know, saying,

173
00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.320
you know, as if pointing a
finger at me, saying, pay

174
00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.159
attention to this. You will be
doing this work. So, you know,

175
00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:31.879
I was really stunned. I was
so stunned that, even though we

176
00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.559
had five more days of that particular
training, I never even asked the trainer

177
00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:43.960
anything more about it. You know, sometimes you can hear something new and

178
00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:48.879
you have that experience of cognitive dissonance, which means you just can't put it

179
00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:54.039
together with oh, right, already
known, it's new, it's bizarre.

180
00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.440
You just don't know how to handle
it. So I think that must have

181
00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.840
been the state that I was in. But fortunately by spring of nineteen ninety

182
00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:09.879
one, I'd become a little bit
more acquainted with this work through Bud Hopkins

183
00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:16.600
and David Jacobs, and so I
knew that there were a couple of people,

184
00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.200
at least, you know, who
were working in this way, and

185
00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:26.639
so I kind of got acclimated to
the thought that maybe this would come to

186
00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.799
me someday. And sure enough it
did. And the first treatment of that

187
00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:39.080
person, a young woman, seemed
to be so successful for her that she

188
00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:48.720
went from being highly traumatized and two
after six sessions six regressions with extraterrestrial encounters

189
00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:56.639
totally the feature of those sessions.
She felt privileged and honored to be chosen

190
00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.720
by them, even though they had
bizarre things like, you know, putting

191
00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:08.519
an implant behind one ear, and
they also incidentally cured an ear infection she

192
00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:14.080
had. Interesting So when she first
came to you, did she believe that

193
00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.600
it was extraterrestrial in nature? I
don't think she had that word for it.

194
00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:23.600
But she had awakened a number of
nights and found that there were these

195
00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:30.519
strange little beings in her room.
She also was an artist, and she

196
00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.960
would try to paint all night,
try to stay up all night so that

197
00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.600
she wouldn't be asleep, and then
these things might happen, and when she'd

198
00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.759
wake up, I mean, she
eventually had to go to sleep, you

199
00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:47.960
know, when it was becoming daylight, and then she'd look at the painting

200
00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.759
that she had done, you know, a couple of hours earlier, and

201
00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.919
usually she'd see that in the painting
was one of these little beings who had

202
00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:03.039
visited her. Don't know whether the
being painted himself in there, you know,

203
00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:08.920
or whether she had sort of unconsciously
painted the being because it was her

204
00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:14.640
subconscious mind was trying to work this
through, and maybe that was one way

205
00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:18.839
of sort of trying to release it
or at least express what she was seeing

206
00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.240
sometimes in the middle of the night, right. But I don't think that

207
00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:29.839
she had the framework to think of
them as aliens or extraterrestrials. They were

208
00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:36.240
just very strange and mystifying. So
what were your thoughts. Did you believe

209
00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:41.319
these to be a physical type of
experience she was having, or perhaps something

210
00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.960
that was manifesting in her dreams.
Well, that's such an important question.

211
00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:53.559
I think that she was really having
physical experiences. And I must say that

212
00:17:53.680 --> 00:18:00.960
sometimes people seemed to be taken by
these beings the astral farm in other words,

213
00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:07.759
their body stays where the experience began, and then the astral part,

214
00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.799
the sort of the soul conscious part
of the person we all have, this

215
00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:18.039
part is taken for these experiences,
but she has many, many other people

216
00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:23.559
who experience this. She had a
number of markings on her body that she

217
00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:29.240
never had when she went to bed
at night, and she'd have some of

218
00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:37.000
the typical clues of having et abductions, and that is she'd have little scoop

219
00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:41.680
shaped marks taken out of somewhere on
her body, or she'd have odd little

220
00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:48.720
bruises that looked like the tips of
finger bruises. Or she'd have little triangular

221
00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:56.119
bruises, particularly around the navel.
Or she'd have little pinprick marks, and

222
00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.880
they usually followed a pattern. They'd
be like a cur goal, perfectly spaced

223
00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:04.880
little pin prick marks. Did she
make a straight line of pin prick marks?

224
00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.559
Yeah? Incredible. Now did she
have these looked at by a physician,

225
00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:14.400
Yes, she did. Her mother
was concerned, and her mother would

226
00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:18.240
take her to the doctor sometimes and
he'd say, well, I don't know,

227
00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.640
but they don't look dangerous, so
let's not worry about it. But

228
00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:29.079
of course most doctors you say,
are not aware of this particularly going on,

229
00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.920
so they wouldn't necessarily see a clue
like that and think, oh,

230
00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.400
it must be extraterrestrial encounter. Yeah, that's something I've found that that you

231
00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.079
know, I've now that I've been
in this field. I used to be

232
00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.599
skeptical, but then I had these
people coming to me who claimed that they

233
00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.039
were having these abduction experiences and they
had these marks on them. And people

234
00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.519
would say, well, if they
have these marks, can't a doctor look

235
00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.599
at him? And doctors do look
at him, But people don't realize that

236
00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.240
doctors see a lot of stuff that
they can't necessarily explain, or they don't

237
00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.319
don't know what the origins were,
and it doesn't necessarily going to you know,

238
00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.000
set off a huge red flag in
their mind. They're just going to

239
00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.440
see if it's harmful or not and
let the patient go on their way.

240
00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.599
Well, that's right, And I
mean if they can't understand something, if

241
00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.680
they just don't know about that,
of course there's not very much they can

242
00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.279
say. Now. Another example of
this, of what you're talking about is

243
00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:30.519
that sometimes a teenage girl or a
woman will notice that she's pregnant, and

244
00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.200
in many cases she'll think, well, how could I possibly be pregnant?

245
00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:38.559
I mean, I haven't been with
a male, or I haven't been with

246
00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:42.039
a male for quite a long time, how could I be pregnant? And

247
00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:48.240
or sometimes she has been with a
male, you know, but she's also

248
00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:56.559
had a reproductive process done by some
of these extraterrestrial beings. So typically she'll

249
00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.200
go to the doctor and say,
oh, I've missed the period or two

250
00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:06.119
and I feel the symptoms of being
pregnant, and the doctor will affirm that,

251
00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:10.480
say yes, if you are give
the projected to do right and all

252
00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:15.319
that. Well, then about actually, let's talk more about that after the

253
00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.759
break. I said, great,
because I'm glad that you brought up the

254
00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:19.799
subject, not that that's a great
thing to happen to people. But we'll

255
00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:25.759
talk more about abductions, the nature
of them, pregnancies and abductions. Right

256
00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.079
when we come back from our break
with Barbara Lamb, you're listening to Open

257
00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:40.160
Minds Radio and Camp at X eleven
hundred. All right, we are back.

258
00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:44.039
You're listening to Open Minds Radio.
I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas.

259
00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:48.519
We're talking about alien abductions with therapists
of Barbara Lamb Lamb. A couple of

260
00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.279
points I want to make real quick
is that you can call in at six

261
00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:57.079
oh two two seven seven five three
six nine if you want to ask Barbara

262
00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:03.519
or I any questions. The toll
free number is one eight sixty six five

263
00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.920
three six eleven hundred. So give
us a call, ask your question some

264
00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.160
really interesting stuff. And remember at
Openminds dot TV, we do put up

265
00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.920
the radio archives on the evening of
the show, so we'll have that up

266
00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.079
in a few hours so you can
listen to the show again because I know

267
00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.440
many people say they'll listen again to
get details of some interesting stuff like this.

268
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.160
Now we're going to talk about pregnancies
in relation to alien abduction, which

269
00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:34.039
is kind of a scary and interesting
area in this field. But to start

270
00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.559
off with Barbara, I wanted to
ask about you know, in Harvard there

271
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:44.000
were two people who have looked into
this stuff, one John Mack, who

272
00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:48.720
unfortunately has passed away, and he's
was an extraordinary researcher and I loved his

273
00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.759
stuff. He talked a lot about
like you had talked about about the astral

274
00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.960
side of this. But there's also
Susan Clancy, who's kind of more along

275
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.400
the lines where she believes a lot
of this is due to sleep paralysis.

276
00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:08.680
However, have you had people come
to you, have had conscious memories?

277
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.960
Yes, yes I have. First
of all, I want to commend the

278
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.440
work of doctor John Mack and you
and I were colleagues and good friends.

279
00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.359
As it turned out. I escorted
him around crop circles for ten days in

280
00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.720
England, just a couple of months
before he was killed. So anyway,

281
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.880
we had amazing discussions as you can
imagine. Oh, I would have loved

282
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:34.599
to have met him. I never
got to him. He was an excellent,

283
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:41.839
wonderful person and I have him in
totally high esteem. Anyway. Yes,

284
00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.519
he was a very compassionate therapist,
as I believe I am as well,

285
00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:55.839
and he could stretch his own paradigms, his own understanding of reality enough

286
00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:03.319
to encompass that there could be total
truth of what his patients were saying about

287
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:08.519
the extraterrestrial abductions. Susan Clancy,
on the other hand, I think,

288
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.359
from having heard her in a couple
of other interviews in addition to this particular

289
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:23.680
subject, I think it's more difficult
for her to stretch her frame of thinking

290
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:30.279
about reality and wants to prove that
some of these very anomalous, unusual things

291
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:36.480
are just you know, something that
are on the physical level, or the

292
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:41.279
mind level, the brain level,
the body functioning level, and can be

293
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:47.839
explained in conventional human terms. Right, So they're very, very different in

294
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:52.680
that regard. But a lot of
people, she claims that, you know,

295
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.359
a lot of this is sleep paralysis, and it may be you know,

296
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.960
I've experienced slee paralysis. I guess
I can sure see how people would

297
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.880
would think that perhaps they were having
some sort of paranormal experience there. But

298
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:08.359
I've also talked to a lot of
people who remember much of their encounters with

299
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:14.799
these little beings. Well, some
of them do, yes, And typically

300
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:19.119
a person will remember, oh,
just the first maybe half minute or a

301
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:26.400
minute or so of these beings approaching
them at the beginning of an experience,

302
00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:32.359
or maybe they'll remember several moments when
they're returned at the end of the experience.

303
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:38.519
And sometimes people will think that this
must have been a dream, what

304
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:45.960
they've awakened remembering very vividly because they
were just asleep, so they assume it

305
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.839
was a dream. But if we
do a hypnotic regression to go back to

306
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:56.200
that material that they remember from the
dream. It so far, all the

307
00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:02.359
time, every time has shown to
be a whole experience, not a dream,

308
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:07.559
but an experience that they really relive
in regression, moment by moment by

309
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:12.519
moment through the whole encounter, and
then they conclude afterwards, Wow, that

310
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:19.440
wasn't a dream. That was real. And sometimes people will This is rare

311
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:26.039
in my experience, but some people
will remember, oh, maybe two thirds

312
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:32.000
of an encounter consciously if they think
about it when they wake up, if

313
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:37.279
the experiences happen when they're in bed
at night, for instance. And the

314
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:45.720
co author of my book Alien Experiences
by Barbara Lamb and Nadine Lalich, she

315
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:51.680
was one of these people who remembered
a tremendous amount Like she'd wake up sitting

316
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.519
up in bed, and she had
always a notebook and a pen and a

317
00:26:55.640 --> 00:27:00.920
light ride by her, and she'd
immediately write down what she remembers. And

318
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:07.559
we did regressions on six of those
experiences that she remembered a remarkable amount of

319
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:14.240
and it was really true what happened
as it came out in the regression,

320
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.079
except that in the regression there was
much more detail than what she could consciously

321
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:26.960
remember right now. Is there kind
of a typical experience, something that is

322
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:32.400
common to these experiences? Maybe you
can walk us through kind of how this

323
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.480
happens for most Okay, sure,
I'd be happy to And I'd like to

324
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:41.200
give two scenarios, and definitely not
leave out the second one because I think

325
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:47.160
it's so important the first. The
typical scenario that I think we tend to

326
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.640
hear about, in which the media
tends to promote if they're talking about this

327
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.039
subject, is that a person is
either sleep in bed at night and they'll

328
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.839
wake up and they'll wear that there's
a big bright light coming in through the

329
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:06.960
window, sometimes filling up the room, and they know there's nothing out there

330
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.960
outside of where they're living that could
be that high and shining such a bright

331
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:18.400
light in Sometimes that bright light will
turn into little sparkles of light, or

332
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:23.640
sometimes into a sphere of light,
and then out of that sphere, somehow

333
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:30.519
we don't know how, will come
one or two or three beings, or

334
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.119
sometimes they'll just wake up and the
beings will already be there, usually three,

335
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:41.000
sometimes one standing right by the side
of the bed or at the foot

336
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.640
of the bed, and usually at
that point the person can't move, and

337
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.000
they also can't call out. They
can't call for help, for instance,

338
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:55.799
or yell at them or ask them
questions out loud, and if there's a

339
00:28:55.880 --> 00:29:00.720
sleeping companion in the room, that
person typically is very switched off, in

340
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:06.880
other words, made to be out
of consciousness, not harmed, but just

341
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.480
as if in a very very very
deep sleep. And then typically the beings

342
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:19.160
will levitate the person up out of
the bed and float the person through the

343
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:26.119
wall or the ceiling, or out
even through a closed window or through a

344
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.880
door, or they might leave the
person in a sort of upright floating position

345
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.599
out of the bedroom door, through
the hallway, and maybe out one of

346
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:41.319
the doors of the house. And
then typically they're taken up the beings and

347
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:47.519
the person in a beam of light
into what certainly seems to be a flying

348
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.119
craft. Sometimes a person will actually
see the crafts are being taken to,

349
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:57.519
and often they don't because they're in
such bright light. As they're going toward

350
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:03.839
the craft, they find themselves inside
this craft, which usually seems to be

351
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:11.279
round shaped, and very often they're
taken into a brightly lit room, put

352
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:17.720
on a medical table, and different
examinations are happening. Maybe some tissue and

353
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.880
fluid samples are taken, Perhaps an
implant is being put in to them,

354
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:27.880
a little tiny object which we know
exist, and you can see them on

355
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.880
X rays, and they can also
be surgically removed. For instance, from

356
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:40.200
doctor Roger Lear in southern California,
he's removed quite a number now of these

357
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:45.960
mysterious little implants that have been put
into people who experience these encounters. And

358
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:52.039
then what I want to make a
point of is that very often after the

359
00:30:52.119 --> 00:31:00.799
physical examination, which might involve a
reproductive procedure as well, sometimes they do,

360
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:06.000
sometimes they don't. But after that, very often the person is taken

361
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:12.480
into another room by other types of
extraterrestrial beings. And then very often they're

362
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:18.799
educated, even from very early childhood, they're taught psychic skills. They're taught

363
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:26.160
to move things with their minds.
Sometimes they're taught to do healing procedures so

364
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:33.599
that they can heal people back on
Earth. Even little children sometimes are wonderful

365
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:40.559
healers, and they've learned that techniques
from the extraterrestrials on the crafts during their

366
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:45.279
experiences. Now, this scenario that
you just talked about about how many of

367
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:51.200
those you know, seven hundred different
people you've talked to, what percentage did

368
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:56.920
their experience fit that scenario. Oh, that's very difficult to say, because

369
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.759
I can well, I would say
all of the people who've been able to

370
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.039
have more than one regression with me, if they've had a few, for

371
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:12.200
instance, or even many, sooner
or later, that part of the material

372
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:21.640
comes up in the regression from their
subconscious minds about these extremely positive experiences they've

373
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.799
been having. So the second part
of this that I want to emphasize,

374
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:30.839
because people I think don't usually hear
about this in the media, is that

375
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:39.079
many, many people who experience these
encounters have encounters with very loving. In

376
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:45.319
fact, they describe them as unconditionally
loving, great beings. You know what,

377
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.720
We've got to go to break right
now. But we'll talk more about

378
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:53.039
that in just a minute. We're
talking to Barbara Lamb about alien abductions and

379
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.519
they're not also bad, she's telling
us, So we'll hear more about that.

380
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:07.519
You're listening to Open Minds Radio on
cap All right, we're back.

381
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.480
You're listening to Open Minds Radio,
and I'm your host, Saljantro Rojas.

382
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:16.160
We have Barbara Lamon. She's a
marriage and family therapist who has researched abductions

383
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.480
alien abductions for years, and we
were just talking about how they're not also

384
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.880
bad. However, I wanted to
let people know the phone lines are open.

385
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.680
You can call six oh two two
seven seven KFNX, which is five

386
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.000
three six' nine to ask you
a question, or is a toll free

387
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.519
one eight sixty six five three six
eleven hundred And actually, Barbara, we've

388
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:44.240
got a gentleman Tom from Phoenix on
the line right now, so let's take

389
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.519
his question real quick. Hi are
you there? Tom? I am Hi,

390
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.440
com Hi Barbara. Hey. I
was curious in all these people that

391
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:58.440
you do regressions on, do you
ever see similar personality patterns in them before

392
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.240
you do the regression. Well,
that's a great question. I think basically

393
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.880
the people who are having these experiences
are very normal people. I'd like to

394
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:15.159
state that first. First off,
normal people to whom unusual things are happening.

395
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:21.519
I experience that they're intelligent, they're
usually physically healthy. We could call

396
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:27.719
them good stock in the sense they're
good representatives of human beings. And also

397
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:36.360
these extraterrestrial beings seem to be following
certainly certain family lines. They're interested in

398
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:43.159
family genetics one generation to another.
But I do not think that these are

399
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:51.559
abnormal people or crazy or have personality
disorders. I think they're mentally healthy.

400
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:58.800
Although obviously because of these experiences,
they could be very stressed, they could

401
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:04.199
be mystified, and therefore, you
know, they might have stress disorders.

402
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.880
They might be anxious, particularly about
going to sleep at night or driving alone.

403
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:15.199
But otherwise I think that they're you
know, perfectly normal, intelligent people.

404
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.440
There was a great question by Tom
and what about the education levels?

405
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.400
Does it span what would you say
would be the thing as well? It

406
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:34.360
seems to span all education levels and
all races, all cultures, people in

407
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:38.679
all countries. This is definitely a
worldwide phenomenon, and of course we hear

408
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:44.159
more about it here in the United
States, but it does happen everywhere,

409
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:49.280
and different cultures feel different ways about
it. For instance, I've heard many

410
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:54.840
times that people in Europe who have
these kinds of experiences don't make any big

411
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:59.000
deal about it at all. They
just think, oh, yeah, that's

412
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:04.679
okay, and how interesting are wonderful? Have another experience tonight, you know,

413
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.039
without the fear and the trauma,
which I think is wonderful. And

414
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:17.840
people in Scandinavia they meet with some
very interesting tall bluish colored skinned people and

415
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:23.079
some tall yellow skinned people. Well
they call them people, but they're not

416
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:29.280
really from the Earth. And of
course, you know, anybody who experiences

417
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:37.039
at all, they might have encounters
with beings that look extremely human. They're

418
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.119
not all extremely different looking than we
are, and those seem to come from

419
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.280
various other planets. But whatever the
beings look like, and there is a

420
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.679
tremendous variety of beings by the way, that come and interact with people,

421
00:36:53.239 --> 00:37:00.400
but they all seem to have their
own agenda. So it sometimes both said,

422
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.320
well what are the ets like?
And I have to say, well,

423
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.760
it depends on which ets you're talking
about, And because some of them

424
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.519
do such positive things with people and
heal them and save their lives, and

425
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:22.760
I mentioned before they teach people healing
skills, but they really can help people

426
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:28.960
out in many many ways, and
they can give them inspirations, and especially

427
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:35.400
these loving beings who very often tend
to look a little bit more ifthereal than

428
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.280
we do. In other words,
they don't look quite as dense and physical

429
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:45.800
as we look, but they're so
knowing. They communicate telepathically. And by

430
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:51.400
the way, I think that a
lot of our genius people here on earth

431
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:59.119
who are inventing wonderful things are actually
getting information being inspired by some of these

432
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:04.199
non human beings. Well, and
we look more into motive, what do

433
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.920
you feel is that the overall motive
or it sounds like you may think or

434
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.760
feel like there are several motives that
play here. Oh, I think more

435
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:19.119
than several. I think it depends
on the beings. For instance, in

436
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:24.480
all this regression work I've done now
since nineteen ninety one, I'd say there

437
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:31.639
probably are about forty at least forty
or fifty different types of beings that have

438
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:37.800
been described to me that people have
had encounters with, and that's probably not

439
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.840
the extent of it, and they're
probably even more so. It depends on

440
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.960
which type of being you're talking about
and what happens with them, And any

441
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:55.039
one person who experiences this type of
thing at all can have experiences with quite

442
00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:01.760
a number of totally different types of
beings, even in one encounter, and

443
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:08.119
then certainly from one encounter to another. So it's a huge mixture and it's

444
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.960
very difficult to just generalize. Well, let's get into that pregnancy aspect which

445
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:21.800
you had talked about earlier. How
that has happened and why you feel that

446
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:27.199
is happening. Yes, well,
this brings up the subject of the hybridization

447
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.760
program, the reproductive program that some, not all, some of the beings

448
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.559
seem to be very avidly engaged in. So what typically happens is that a

449
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:45.599
woman will be encountered and made not
conscious, and then they will remove eggs

450
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.920
from her ovaries. Now, this
could happen to a teenager as soon as

451
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:54.800
she's mature enough, or a woman
of any age up until menopause. And

452
00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.880
although I have known of a few
cases even after menopause where the continue to

453
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:07.360
be taken and then the beings apparently
mixed that material from the woman. I

454
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:12.079
assume they do it on their craft. I don't know no when's actually seen

455
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.400
that, but they mix it with
their reprotective material and will create a little

456
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:22.599
embryo half et and half human.
Well why don't you feel that maybe happening?

457
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:29.199
Well, there are a number of
reasons given by these beings, but

458
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:34.039
I think I feel I need to
explain. Once that material is combined,

459
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.400
then they put it back into the
woman again in another encounter, and let

460
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:45.119
it just state there for oh,
maybe another well month and a half,

461
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.199
maybe two months. And the woman, of course, as I said earlier,

462
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.840
goes to the doctor and she's declared
to be pregnant. And then one

463
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.159
day she wakes up and she doesn't
feel pregnant anymore, but she doesn't remember

464
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:01.199
any miscarriage and she certainly didn't have
an abortion. To go to the doctor

465
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.280
and the doctor will say, well, that's interesting, you're not you're not

466
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.440
pregnant. Yeah, that's amazing.
Now we've only got a few minutes last,

467
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.920
and we've got a couple of callers
on the line, so let's talk

468
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:16.840
to a line to Jorgey from the
Phoenix area and see what his question is.

469
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:21.760
Are you there, Yes, sir, okay, thanks for calling in.

470
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.000
Did you have a question for Barbara? Yes, they do. Hello,

471
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:31.000
Hello, Any of these babies e
were born? Yes? The baby

472
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:37.239
seem to be born on the craft. They're put in after the gestation and

473
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.599
then taken from the woman. They're
put into. Of course, there tiny

474
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:46.119
little embryo still, but they're put
into a tank of fluid that's connected to

475
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:54.840
some sort of monitoring control machine.
And they're guarded over by the extraterrestrials until

476
00:41:54.880 --> 00:42:00.400
the baby is full term, and
then they take the baby out love that

477
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.559
tank of fluid and wrap it all
up like we would with a baby here

478
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:10.559
on earth. And then very typically
they will eventually take maybe after just a

479
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.480
couple of months, for a few
months, they'll they'll take that same mother

480
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.320
birth's mother again to the craft and
they will show her the baby and ask

481
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.840
her to hold the baby. Incredible. There's just so much to this,

482
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.840
and thank you for being on the
show, Barbara, but we're out of

483
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.599
time. You can see the link
at Openminds dot tv, the radio tab,

484
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.320
the link to Barbara's site. She's
got a couple of books out.

485
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:40.280
Her website's Barbara lambmft dot com and
there's just you can watch. You can

486
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.320
at the Ufocongress dot com. You
can actually buy some of the videos of

487
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:51.000
Barbara's lectures in the past and to
hear more about this fascinating subject. But

488
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.039
thank you for being on the show, Barbara. Oh you're very welcome.

489
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:59.840
Delighted. Next week we've got chet
Zukowski, a paranormal investigator, and he's

490
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.519
want to talk about some cattle mutilations
that he investigated in Colorado the past year.

491
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.519
He worked with universities and authorities,
police officers, so some incredible cases.

492
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.280
So join us next week. Don't
forget to check Openminds dot tv for

493
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:21.360
more on this news for the archives, and have to advertise with the show.

494
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.480
So thank you all for joining us, Thanks for the great questions from

495
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:30.880
the callers. We'll talk to you
next week where we're bringing the UFO subject

496
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:49.480
into the life of day Ali.
My guys, folks, bo