1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:35,960 Welcome to Softcore History. Hello, and welcome back to softcore History. Spooky 2 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:42,159 Month, Halloween, Horror Month, let's go boys weeks Gook four, Yeah, 3 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,280 I believe it is before. Actually, are we gonna get a fifth 4 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,560 Dard in September? No, no, there's I think October is the way 5 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,880 the calendar goes. Yes, we got extra spook Yeah, well yeah we 6 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,200 do, we do. Yeah, that's Rob Box who said that. And 7 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,439 Dan Rejester over here is all so here. Thanks for joining me today, 8 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,719 guys. Hey, thanks for having me on your show. Yeah, you 9 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:06,959 know, no problem, no problems. It's always always a great time to 10 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,840 be on the Softcore History. Yeah, we're excited to have you. Hey, 11 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,640 thanks guys. But yeah, if you are not aware, we also 12 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:19,079 have a Patreon filled totally filled with evergreen content that's at patreon dot com slash 13 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,920 softcore History. We do one episode a week normally on the standard feed, 14 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,680 and we do two a week on the Patreon. So that's eight extra episodes 15 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:30,000 for five dollars a month, or like this month, maybe more, yeah, 16 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,359 maybe even more. I haven't done the math yet. We wouldn't even 17 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,120 know. We're not softcore math. We're not, but we although all the 18 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,439 math we do on here is softcore. It is. If it gets into 19 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:45,079 division, we're fucked. It's not happening. The collision is so easy. 20 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:49,959 It's not that. Give us a little more credit. Sixty four divide by 21 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:53,680 three, sixty four divide by three, do it? That would be twenty 22 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:59,439 one and change. Yeah, no, he answered, you don't say yeah, 23 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:01,879 I said one, So I was doing the math one yeah, fair 24 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,560 on yeah, okay and change. There is a decimal or a remainder. 25 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,599 Remainders are stupid. That's us. That's sucks. Remainder jump. It's not 26 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,680 a remainder. It's a decimal. I know. But remember the first time 27 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:16,039 when you first learned the vision, it's like twenty four the remainder of Oh 28 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:19,800 yeah, whatever, just teach me the point. But anyway, literally, 29 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,240 because then you go have to learn it again and they're like, now we're 30 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,360 doing death molds. The way we taught you before was just we just thought 31 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,759 you were stupid. You need to cut it. What cut? What? 32 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,000 Just a remainder? Oh cut the remainder. Yeah, just leave it. 33 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:37,400 But yeah no. Check us out patreon dot com slash softcore History. You 34 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,080 also get a twenty percent off this code discount code at the store softcore history 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,759 dot com. A lot of great merch, tons of merch, good spooky 36 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,840 merch, good history. Now the people know at this point, No, 37 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,560 we got new people every day. Every day. You never know, ya, 38 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,680 hope. So, but let's be a realistic guys. No one's no 39 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,759 one's telling their friends about us, you know, tell your friends about us. 40 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:57,879 Please tell your friends. We also have a YouTube. Please watch their 41 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:00,360 people are selfish. I agree. I think that about our listeners all the 42 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,560 time. I just go go to bed seething. Yeah, just why don't 43 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,199 they want us to be rich? Why aren't we bigger? Yeah? But 44 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,439 seriously, why aren't we go join the Patreon if you haven't. It really 45 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:15,280 does help a small podcast like ours grow and give us jobs that aren't real, 46 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,199 which is what we all want. Yeah. Yeah, I need to 47 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,400 have an excuse for when I get drafted in World War three. I can't. 48 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,879 I'm a pocket. I do evergreen content. To be fair, I'm 49 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,319 rooting for World War three to happen. Are you past draft age? H 50 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:32,840 totally he is. That's why he's rooting for it. We're not, though. 51 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,360 It's the perfect it's perfect, right because I won't be drafted and my 52 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:39,919 kids won't be drafted, so we always get to sit and watch you die. 53 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,240 But we we are we good luck work in the camera's asshole. Yeah 54 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:50,840 yeah, have fun doing three episodes by week a week. I mean, 55 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:53,960 Rob would revel in it. He'd be like, it's like a pagan shit. 56 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:57,919 It's the best it's ever been my own shit. Yeah. Well, 57 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,520 you know, speaking of kids, we got a pretty gruesome one today voice 58 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,520 Oh perfect. This is supposed to be a comedy podcast. Now, Oh 59 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:10,479 it's hilarious. It's hilariously horrifying. But uh, we're we take if you 60 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 don't laugh, if you if you don't laugh, you'll cry to wait way 61 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,879 too far. It's like to the point where we seek out Like you know, 62 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,079 you're only supposed to do that if something happens to you, or you 63 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:24,399 or you find out something like not and you didn't really want to or whatever, 64 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,079 like it comes to you. Right, you shouldn't be seeking things out 65 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,959 to laugh at them instead of cry at them. Yeah, and that's what 66 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,920 we do. We we talked about this the other day, but every episode 67 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,879 really is a horror on this show. I know, we're like, why 68 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:40,800 do we do spooky month. Almost every topic we ever have is just horrifying. 69 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,240 But nonetheless, this week we're gonna talk about children. No, yes, 70 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,160 in a horrifying way. Well better, that's better. We're gonna do 71 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:56,120 it. And probably the worst place for children England is it. Uh, 72 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,560 this is the worst places in this part. You mean, like current England. 73 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,360 What year are we talking about. We're gonna be talking around mid nineteen 74 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:08,639 Hundred's fair enough. It'd be funny if you were like today we're talking about 75 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,959 what was that Japanese unit that experimented what if they just had like a children's 76 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,759 version. It was the Little Sevens. They were worse. It's like a 77 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,560 Bill Nye for Imperial Japan. It's like, this is how you do live 78 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:27,879 vivisection, right, I think they do that in the Congo live vivisection some 79 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,000 child. So oh yeah, yeah, Cony man, never forget bastard. 80 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:38,639 But yeah, but it's Africot. It's not fun. But yeah, today 81 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:44,040 we're gonna be talking about Mary Flora Bell, who is a nightmare. She's 82 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,879 an English woman. I think I read about this chick. She'd murder and 83 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:51,839 infants, Uh, small children doing the Lord's work sounds just kind of progressive 84 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,319 if you ask me, uh yeah, if you're into that, like, 85 00:05:55,399 --> 00:06:00,879 what is it like? Twentieth term anything before puberty is technically an abortion. 86 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:03,000 My mother told me she brought me into this world and she can take me 87 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:08,759 out. And that's a that's a verbal contract. It is every parent has 88 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,399 it. But yeah. Mary Flora Belle is an English woman who killed two 89 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:16,319 preschool aged boys in Scottswood, England, in nineteen sixty eight. The murders 90 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,920 were very brutal and horrifying, but the most horrifying fact is that she's totally 91 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,079 free. Totally free to this day, she told us to this day, 92 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,639 sweet, very free. She was convicted, she was sentenced, and she 93 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:35,959 was released only twelve years later. Do you want to know why? Good 94 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:42,360 behavior? Kind of that's not it? You do you want to guess, 95 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,360 to take a guess why she's released right now? Why she's not out now? 96 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,000 No, she's out right now. She's walking the streets. You said 97 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:56,000 nineteenth century, I said mid nineteen hundreds. Yeah, mid nineteen you said 98 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,160 mid nineteen. Maybe it did, I don't know, but yeah, yeah, 99 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,759 she was a No, she is the undertaker. No, the reason 100 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:10,279 she is walking around right now Oh, is because Belle committed these brutal killings 101 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:15,079 when she was ten years old. Holy shit. Yeah, so she was 102 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,720 tried as a child, so it was like a Slenderman situation. Oh no, 103 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,879 maybe a little slender you're telling me slender Man was a slender boy. 104 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:25,959 No, no, that remember the slender man killing for those two girls, 105 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,439 satisfice their friend for slender Man, for the slender Man. Yeah, I 106 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,199 wish it were like that, and she had some sort of delusion for some 107 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:38,600 false like entity. Yeah, not the case here, just for sport. 108 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:44,759 For more or less. Well, children are precocious, that's true. They're 109 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,279 figuring things out. It's an awkward time, it's a difficult your body's changed 110 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,639 in your life. Yeah, and well I would love to get into the 111 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,759 argument of nature versus nurture. Women also mature faster. Yeah, that's true. 112 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:01,600 So I would have tried her as an adult. I mean, she 113 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,959 got a sentence of an adult. We'll get to that later. But yeah, 114 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,079 Mary Bell, for all intents and purposes, if it were a nature 115 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,120 and nurture argument, we couldn't have it because the nurture was just bad. 116 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,519 Okay. She was born in nineteen fifty eight to her mother, Elizabeth Betty 117 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Bell, who was a well known local prostitute who was often absent from the 118 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,959 family home, frequently traveling to Glasgow for Left Turn. It was a well 119 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,399 known I was about to be like, oh newscasters and no prostitute or yeah, 120 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:35,840 she simply just left her kids either with the very angry absent father or 121 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,559 totally alone most of the time. I can't imagine and angry your father? 122 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:46,639 Yeah, what you bet your gun for work? Again? Someone has to 123 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,120 and you gotta imagine those print fights are just fun. Have got a job. 124 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:58,159 Her father, William Billy Bell, was a violent alcoholic and habitual criminal, 125 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:03,360 with an arrest record for crimes including armed robbery and assault. So for 126 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,919 you to be noted as an alcoholic in the UK in nineteen sixty eight, 127 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:13,480 yeah, mmmm not good because a normal person in the UK in nineteen sixty 128 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:20,080 eight you would be like, that's an alcoholic. Yeah. Yeah. Alcoholics 129 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:26,320 have been timeless. I mean since we started. We're lowering the bar is 130 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,840 what I'm saying. We have been We saw probably in the last thirty years. 131 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:33,080 Yeah, it's really our generation. Yeah, our generation, our parents 132 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,600 still hold it down. Oh they do, they drink man but our generation 133 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:41,679 generation after us, we don't drink and we don't fuck, and everyone in 134 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:48,679 our generation is getting sober. I don't like the whole like it just means 135 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:50,759 you have no willpower. Yeah, pretty much. I mean obviously there are 136 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:54,639 people that definitely need to do it, but like because they don't have willpower. 137 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:56,840 Yeah, but like some people it's like, uh, oh, you 138 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:01,879 felt bad after drinking too much. Just drink less, that's what happen. 139 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,919 Or drink more water, yeah, so anything, or what are you drinking? 140 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,799 Are you still drinking like a fucking nineteen year old? Are you just 141 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:09,919 drinking rum and cokes all night? I mean, if you don't want to 142 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,320 drink, that's fine, But also don't say you're sober and smoke a fucked 143 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,320 on a weed either. Ah. Yeah, I don't believe in that either. 144 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:18,279 It's like there's they don't drink. I only did mushrooms, okay, 145 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,440 right, Like all right, that's also a drug. It's more fun though, 146 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,840 it's definitely more fun way safer depending on the circumstances, I guess, 147 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,519 but anyway. Yeah. Within minutes of Mary's birth, her mother had resented 148 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:35,799 hospital staff, attempting to place her daughter in her arms, shouting take that 149 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:41,360 thing away from Mike. Not the best first words for a child. No, 150 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,399 they're like, oh, do you want to do skin to skin? 151 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,480 Cot, that's the thing, you know what I mean? Like skin to 152 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:48,320 skin? Do you want to do a soaking bond with you? Dog? 153 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Line? Get off? Fuck on the puyt man, I gotta go to 154 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:58,919 Glasgow. But yeah. As a baby and toddler and young child, Mary 155 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:03,360 frequently suffered injuries and the household, including accidents while alone with her mother, 156 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:09,559 which led the family to think, man, I think Betty's trying to kill 157 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,960 Mary. Yeah, that sounds accurate. So Mary just grew up and was 158 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,279 like, oh, this is what you do. If there's people around you, 159 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:20,879 you hurt them. Yeah, you try to kill them. And hurting 160 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,279 them visually is very much a theme through her childhood. On one occasion, 161 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,759 about two years after Mary's born, She's about to Betty dropped her daughter from 162 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:39,440 a first floor window. It was a seven foot drop. Okay, come 163 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,200 on, yeah, Like it was like, I gotta imagine it was like 164 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,360 a stair floor seven feet? Why is that notable that happened to me? 165 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,120 I turned out, fine, Well, what did happen to you? Yeah? 166 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,840 Well, look at what happened to you. Only I split open my 167 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,679 lip run through. You were dropped out of a window. I think I 168 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:03,240 fell out of a window. You remember were you dropped intentionally? I was 169 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:07,759 two? So what do you remember? Huh? Not much? He blacked 170 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,919 out. Yeah, let's do some hypnotism recovered memories. Well, I mean, 171 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:16,120 what's your earliest memory off the top of your head. It's dumb. 172 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,879 It's like being in a bathtub. Oh, I don't remember anything before I 173 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:24,600 was like eight. I remember, I remember a couple of things from like, 174 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:30,879 I remember preschool. I remember like three. Two. Yeah, I 175 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:33,120 can remember a couple things from being two or three. Yeah. Nothing, 176 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:37,200 that's fine. Nothing, nothing you really need from any of that time. 177 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,759 No, No, I think yeah, maybe my first memory was just uh, 178 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,320 maybe I was born in an eight year old That could be it. 179 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,879 That could have been it. You were just you just came out real late, 180 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:54,720 all right, third grade for you, Dan. On another occasion, 181 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,960 the mother accidentally gave Mary a fucked on the sleeping pills. I can't imagine. 182 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:01,519 That's you know, it's like one thing if the kid finds them and 183 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:05,320 thinks they're candy. It's another if it's whoops. Yeah. Also sleeping pills 184 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:11,080 in nineteen sixty eight. Probably what mean they look like candy, but they 185 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,000 don't they don't taste like candy. No. I was seeing the other day. 186 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,080 It was like, I have like a airborne gummies that I take every 187 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,240 day. They get like vitamin D and him and shit like that. I 188 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:22,440 was like, man, what if Rory just finds these and eats the whole 189 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:26,120 jar and then just like explodes like a ball of sun you know what I 190 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,360 mean, Just like, yeah, because there's too much vitamin D and just 191 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,200 light starts shooting out of him. Yeah, just the light stream to shoots 192 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,960 out of his eye. All becomes a sunny de commercial. Yeah. Yeah, 193 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,720 he becomes the mascot. Yeah. On another occasion, this one's really 194 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,440 fun, Betty attempted to sell her daughter Mary to a mentally unstable woman who 195 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:45,960 was unable to have children of her own. Well, that happens a lot, 196 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,679 and it looks pretty popular. I remember seeing a lot of photos from 197 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,360 the Great Depression of people selling their kids. I want to say. There 198 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:56,799 was someone on the Drink and bro Show who's like a special Forces thing. 199 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,559 He was talking about when he was in the Dominican Republic. There was like 200 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,759 women on the street trying to sell their youngest kids and ship the wrong side 201 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,919 of the island, the side with the issues somehow, well they both got 202 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,639 them, but yeah, yeah they were just like please can't. Yeah, 203 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:16,840 this is a mouth that I can't feed, right and it doesn't work yet, 204 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,080 so well for me, for me, good for you. Her older 205 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,399 sister Catherine had to travel alone across Newcastle to get Mary from the crazy person? 206 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,440 Which why take her back to hook her mom? Because I don't know 207 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,240 nowhere else to go because blood is thicker than water. Oh. One thing 208 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:43,200 I forgot to mention to about Betty's prostitution. She wasn't like an old run 209 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,960 of the mill prostitute, Okay, she was a dominatrix. And after bet 210 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,200 like, after Betty gets Mary back, she's like, well, I guess 211 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:58,720 you're sticking around. I'm going to start selling you my clients and beating you 212 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,360 in front of them and like letting them fuck you. Basically good god. 213 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,919 Yeah, all right, so I she was not even ten years old. 214 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,720 I no longer think she should be in jail. Yeah, this is a 215 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,480 totally broken fucking brain. Yeah, the shit that she does is wild from 216 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:22,679 this. I don't blame her and man, at this point, you're just 217 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:28,159 like raising someone in such a hyper violent situation. Yeah. That Like I 218 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:31,840 had like this idea for a story that was really stupid. But it was 219 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:33,679 just like some guy was in a cult and he never leaves the colt. 220 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,639 He just lives his life in the colt, and his job in the colt 221 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,240 is to make the furnace run. And he has to shovel demons into the 222 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:45,000 furnace to make to make it run. But it turns out those demons are 223 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,360 just puppies, So he's just shoveling adorable dogs into a fire. Just tall. 224 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,399 He's a really good guy otherwise, you know what I mean. He's 225 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,519 like, Oh, he just thinks her demons, but he thinks he's All 226 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:56,159 he knows is that they're like He's like, yeah, I gotta get these 227 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,399 don't trust him, just throw them in the fire. Yeah, how do 228 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,720 he ever know? No, if they only let him be in the furnace 229 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:07,279 room at work and no one ever sees what he does, he wouldn't know. 230 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,360 This is this chick all this girl knows. And that is the story 231 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,240 of Michael Vick. Michael, you better shovel those puppies in there if you 232 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,840 want to run quicker, yes, sir, but yeah. Both at home 233 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,559 and at school, Mary exhibited numerous signs of disturbed and unpredictable behavior. Obviously, 234 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,960 she's known to have frequently fought with other children, both boys and girls, 235 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,120 so she didn't spare anyone because it's just unbridled rage. And she was 236 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,960 said to have attempted to strangle or suffocate her classmates or playmates on several occasions, 237 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,759 which, as far as she knows, is just play. That's how 238 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:48,840 it happens, that's just how humans interact. Well more kink this not so 239 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,080 much. He understands the content. There is no kink here. So on 240 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,080 one occasion, she is known to have attempted to block the trachea of a 241 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,519 young girl in her class with sam what is poor sand down her throat, 242 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,920 hold her down and shove sand in her mouth. She had an hour glass, 243 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,279 She must have a funnel, probably had a sandbox. The sandbox is 244 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:15,599 actually a commonplace of her transgressions. Okay, she throws down there quite a 245 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:21,000 bit, but obviously kids maybe at the sandbox. Nothing to have sandboxes in 246 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:23,960 England. They did, apparently, do I need to google that. That's 247 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:32,559 just broken glass. It's just fucking like the shavings of like metal refinery place. 248 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:37,720 Obviously, kids really didn't want to play with her. They they got 249 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:41,599 clewed in pretty quick. Mary's only friend, however, was the thirteen year 250 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,960 old daughter of an next door neighbor, Norma Belle no relation by the way, 251 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:49,359 who, as we'll get to know later, wasn't exactly the best friend 252 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:55,799 for Mary to have. On May eleventh of nineteen sixty eight, Mary would 253 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:59,839 commit her first recorded assault by the police. So she was doing so eventually 254 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,640 stop being schoolyard shit, and they're like, dude, we gotta call the 255 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,759 cops. We gotta call the cops about this one. Yeah, so three 256 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:08,480 year old sorry the Bobby's yes, I guess is that what they're called? 257 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:15,799 Oh alrighty Oh, it's gotta be the those little porky pig type dudes. 258 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,160 Oh you have been strangling. So on the first incident, a three year 259 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,599 old boy was discovered wandering through the streets, dazed and bleeding. The child 260 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,039 later in foreign police he had been playing with Mary bell and Norma bell a 261 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,200 top a disused air raid shelter, just the perfect place for English children. 262 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:36,319 Oh, probably a lot of those. Gotta imagine only twenty years after and 263 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,759 you're not gonna throw them out during the Cold War, No, might as 264 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:41,240 well keep it. Yeah, but yeah, I just think of these kids 265 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:47,480 as like playing in industrial runoff and like yeah on top of Darrell London town. 266 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:52,200 This is like this is a suburb of Newcastle, Grimy, russ Belt, 267 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,640 England. Yes, this is like uh, I don't know, like 268 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:03,480 Toledo, it's England or what was that town that depressing us town? Didn't 269 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,559 we do that coal landslide? Did we do an episode on that? I 270 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:10,559 don't know if we did, we might have, Dann would know. No, 271 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:12,279 No we didn't. Okay, then I heard it somewhere else, but 272 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,240 they covered it in the Crown. Oh yeah that was in like that was 273 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,559 in Wales. I believe same diff more or less. But yeah. So 274 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,559 they had pushed him from a height of about ten feet onto his head. 275 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,079 Police notified the local authority of the incidents and of Mary's violent nature, but 276 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,839 due to their age, both girls were given a little talking to. Nice 277 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,240 All right, did you go to your mights or for an hour? Right 278 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,039 shouter or right now you're gonna learn your lesson this Tom and tell your mama 279 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:51,240 said a pretty much pretty much top nine and oh you too, since you're 280 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,359 in ald the maintenans that go too with your mom, I should not be 281 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,000 a police officer. Yeah, so that's the first recording. We don't have 282 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,599 like any like we only have testimonies from school. By the way, this 283 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,440 is not spooky. This is a fucking this is a Saw movie. Yeah, 284 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,799 it gets worse. Sweet what it's already so bad. I'm just being 285 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:15,880 disassociated really like I can't I like, I can't even think about what's actually 286 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:22,160 happening because I'll just start screaming. Yeah right. It's almost like a machete 287 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:27,759 where they're trying to make the villain as evil as possible so they burn as 288 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,680 like a bus full of kids. Yeah yeah, just like all right at 289 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,039 this point, I just that don't care anymore, Like, yeah, like, 290 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,440 okay, they're gonna do everything. The perfect example of that movie is 291 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,279 probably Hobo with a Shotgun, or maybe it was Hobo with the shotgun. 292 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,039 Yeah, it was with the shotgun. It was with the shotgun. I 293 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:47,160 knew, I know exactly. That's the scene that popped into my head when 294 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,160 you said kids on fire. Yeah. Actually, as soon as you said 295 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,960 that, I was like, huh, I think that happened in Hobo with 296 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,160 the Shotgun. Too. Great movie. Honestly I love Hbo with the Shotgun. 297 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:02,119 Rip Rutger Rutger Hower, is that the guy from Later Runner? Really? 298 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:06,079 Yeah, he's dead, He's been dead. I'm news to me. 299 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:08,079 Well, speaking of more dead people, we're gonna get into the killings of 300 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,680 Mary, the ones that she was convicted of. Okay, so on the 301 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:18,400 twenty fifth of May nineteen sixty eight, just two weeks after likely pushing the 302 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,920 boy off of the Ariad shelter, and you know, just another week after 303 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,319 trying to stuff sand down one of her classmates throats. Oh so this is 304 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,599 all in like a two weeks spam. This is all within the span of 305 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,680 three months. Okay. People weren't really paying much attention to her. This 306 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,759 is why this all happened. Yeah, if the prostitutes child is usually neglected. 307 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,119 Yeah, but in fact Mary's biggest problem is that she was not neglected 308 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:51,920 enough. Uh by certain people. There are definitely police officers and other parents 309 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,279 and teachers that probably could have intervened here, I will say, to Mary's 310 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,960 family's credit, outside of her nuclear family. Yeah, they all wanted to 311 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,799 take her in. They were dying too, but the mom was just like 312 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,960 definitely probably borderline or something like you can't have it. Yeah, like she 313 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,519 doesn't want her, but check it out if she really wanted to. With 314 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:15,359 every client, she could get a gift, so like a thousand Christmases for 315 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,440 a I don't think this is like little Joey waiting outside the bedroom. It's 316 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,559 always with Charlie brings a banana. Yeah, but no, it's not like 317 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:26,920 that. It's like they're all in there together. But uh yeah. So 318 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:32,680 this is also the day before her eleventh birthday, so she's probably pretty jazzed 319 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,079 about that or not. Probably not. Yeah, she I don't think there's 320 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:41,000 anything in life she's jazzed about. No, just killing, she's pretty jazz 321 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:42,880 No, she's jazzed about killing. Okay, fair enough, marry your life? 322 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,359 Is this bad? Though it's inflicting pain, it's truly the little moments 323 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,039 in life that bring the rays to sunshine. Much like that people hurt, 324 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:57,880 people violently abused, people violently abused, But a day where she doesn't get 325 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,279 like kind of hit or anything. So when I mean, I think you 326 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,640 just are trying to deflect it anywhere about yourself, right. So on this 327 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,160 day, the day before eleventh birthday, Mary strangled four year old Martin Brown 328 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,799 in an upstairs bedroom of an abandoned house, which there were fuck tons of 329 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:17,599 in her neighborhood because they were trying to gentrify it inind of time, So 330 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,599 she's believed to have committed this crime alone. Brown's body was discovered by three 331 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,720 your children at approximately three thirty pm. A local worker attempted to perform CPR, 332 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,319 but it was too late. But while the CPR was going on, 333 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,000 the two creepiest kids you can fucking imagine showed up, Mary and Norma. 334 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:37,920 Who Mary and her friend Norma? Okay, yeah, of course, and 335 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,119 they were just being a little looky lose, like trying to poke their head 336 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:47,400 in. What happened, dude? Yeah? Fuck man? Uh. Both 337 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:51,720 were quickly showed out of the house. They decided to be even fucking creepier 338 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:56,440 after that, they trotted their way over to the door of Martin's aunt, 339 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Rita and informed her one of your sister's kids had just had an accident. 340 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,839 We think it's Martin, but we can't tell because there's blood all over him 341 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:11,880 Jesus, and then they promptly left the things that this is the whole episode 342 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,160 in that voice. Now I know, I guess I did have a quote. 343 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,480 I could have had, Robber. That's fine. I would like you 344 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,160 to do it. I will do it. Uh yeah, I will try. 345 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,279 Rob will do it. We'll do the entire rest of the episode in 346 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:30,400 three Slagerman's because there was no sign of violence. Yeah, your throat won't 347 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,319 make it to the end. No, I will be horse. Yeah, 348 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,839 like it's Katie, like what do you do at night? Yeah. But 349 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,279 so the things that Mary says throughout the rest of this episode are more haunting 350 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:45,039 than what I just talked to you about because you know why they are said, 351 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,240 right, So, because there's no sign of violence during the autopsy, 352 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,599 it's ruled as like a we don't know how this kid died. There's no 353 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:57,240 sign of violence. A fucking ten year old's not it's not it's not enough, 354 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,240 yeah to make it in nineteen six, like, yeah, gotta think 355 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,720 there's not. Like the only kind of forensics that come up in this are 356 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,559 yarn comparison or like red comparison. So a lot of people thought it was 357 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,440 like poisoning he's in an abandoned house, maybe ate something that was left there. 358 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:18,759 Yeah, or he had some foam around his mouth when he was found, 359 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,279 so they're like, maybe he was poison Yeah. So the next day, 360 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,559 on Mary's eleventh birthday, she and Norma decided to do something that kids, 361 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:32,359 you know, normally do. They broke into and vandalized a children's nursery 362 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,640 in a nearby suburb. The two entered the premises in there by peeling tiles 363 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,880 off of ust, like with their bare hands, peeling tiles off of a 364 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,440 slate roof and climbing down into it. So because you know, kids, 365 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,960 right, we've all done that, They've all been there. The following day, 366 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,440 staff discovered the break in and vandalism and immediately notified the police, who 367 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:59,799 also discovered four separate notes that claimed responsibility for Martin Brown's murder. Now they 368 00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:03,519 didn't know that Mary and Norma did this time. One of these notes said, 369 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:10,960 I murder so that I may come back, yike. A ten year 370 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,119 old wrote this. Yeah, well that ten year old is living on another 371 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,279 planet of this. But you know what I mean, It's it's not even 372 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,039 reality, Like, yeah, like what is isn't there a oh I got 373 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:23,960 more notes. Hold on, okay. Another note read we murder, we 374 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:29,680 did murder Martin Brown, fuck off you bastard. Oh there's two more notes 375 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,480 dropping a fuck though. Uh, they get worse. There's a harder reffort 376 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960 to come. Oh great. A third note simply read fuck off we murder. 377 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,839 Watch out fanny and faggot. Okay, yeah, and then the final 378 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:45,039 note was the most complex and weird. Sure you are mice because we murdered 379 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:49,720 Martin Brown. You better look out there. Murder's about by fanny and old 380 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,480 faggot, you screws. I mean, that's just children trying to thread profanity 381 00:26:55,519 --> 00:27:00,279 together edge lording, Yeah, trying to get some street cred. Yeah, 382 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,039 they'll think it. They'll totally think it's an adult, like listen up, 383 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:10,920 you ask fucks Yeah, Oh damn they serious. Yeah. The the police 384 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,519 literally finding this a day after Martin Brown is found dead, dismissed it as 385 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,119 an innocent childhood prank. Perfect. Yeah, yes, not even worth looking. 386 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,759 And so you know, those children, will they rotten the the dumbest 387 00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:29,359 things will Hey, I not often to pay attention to you. I would 388 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,440 still be asking the parents though, of the four year old. So your 389 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,400 four year old was in uh uh this abandoned home upstairs? Right? Oh 390 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000 yeah, yes, sir, yep, yep, he went up here. 391 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:52,440 Why why why was the four year old off on his own or even with 392 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:57,680 another child in an abandoned house. This is your privilege speaking definitely. I 393 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,960 mean it's a sixth nine Newcastle. It was common. There was a big 394 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,359 campaign of sorry you grew up, rich rob. They had to start letting 395 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,240 people know, like, keep your kids out of these brokeass houses. We 396 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,279 are tearing them down and we're not like right, sure, if there's children 397 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:21,759 abandoned homes, did you play in a couple? Actually, it's not even 398 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:23,799 a lie. I don't think I ever went into an abandoned house's child. 399 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,359 I definitely did not. I did some abandoned like exploring in college and stuff 400 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,039 like that. Yeah, college, high school maybe, but like as a 401 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,079 fucking like eight year old or ten year old. Four year old, yeah, 402 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,720 no's a four year old. It was definitely middle school. So it 403 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,440 was like ten or eleven. Yeah, that's pushing it. It's certainly more 404 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,519 appropriate than four. But yeah, this four year old can't do anything. 405 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,000 They really can't. They just kind of don't understand danger. Folly and ship 406 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,599 like that. Well one does I imagine Mary? Yeah, well, ten 407 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,519 year old and a ten year old has a much better grasp on the wald. 408 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:02,279 A four year old, Yeah, fucking man, imagine a four year 409 00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:07,359 old coming to grips with his mortality. No, I would like to not 410 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,480 can imagine that. Well, good because the next one's a three year old, 411 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,880 so get ready for that. But we're not talking. I'm not saying 412 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,720 dying, but like he just like becomes almost self aware he's dying. I 413 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,079 died like a terminal lucidity. A four year old who just comes to grips 414 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:27,279 with like, oh shit, I only have a like small amount of time 415 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,359 to live on this planet. I thought you were in the moment of Like 416 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,559 he just becomes kind of conscious, like how we I thought you were talking 417 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:40,240 like McConaughey and True Detective And he's like, you know, want to notice 418 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,960 what I saw? Looked at all their faces, the dead people or whatever. 419 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,640 He's like it welcomed it. But it's all like women that that guy 420 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:51,720 killed. But you're just saying it's like a fucking four year old. Like 421 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:53,119 a four year old, I'm saying a four year old just is like, 422 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,240 oh, shit, I gotta live on this planet when se years. I 423 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:02,680 wonder when they do ask about that though, Yeah, because I don't have 424 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,920 to figure that out. Oh am I gonna die. Oh something I realized 425 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:14,240 massive. We're not massive, but like much more prevalent than I originally thought. 426 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,759 Like kids suicides, Dan, why are you making this worse? What 427 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,839 do you mean kids suicides? Obviously kids kill themselves all the time, like 428 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,680 miners. It's pretty mean. Like kid kid, like fucking nine year olds. 429 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,839 Uh so that happened to the kid who lived behind me growing up? 430 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,799 You killed them? Well, well you don't know, We don't know. 431 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,240 But the dad never went to jail, so he was like an eight year 432 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,079 old nine year old's name was Eric. There's still a bench in the park 433 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,279 by my house, like dedicated to him. This is haunting on so many 434 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:51,640 levels this episode. Welcome to Spooky mon Yeah. They found him hanging in 435 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:57,000 his closet by a robe belt you know what I mean, like a belt 436 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:04,200 to a robe And everyone was like, I don't think he's old enough to 437 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,680 have figured that one out. Figured that one out. I could barely tie 438 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,640 my shoes, right, But they like they had no evidence that it was 439 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,680 the dad. It happens a lot, what especially by hanging. I think 440 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,559 like a lot of nine or ten year olds more than you would think hang 441 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,039 themselves. All right, well I know one, I met one. I 442 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:29,160 met one. Yeah, he's got some confirmation by us, so and anyway, 443 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,599 so after that, dad's free, all right, he's free and clear 444 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,759 that man. For like two years after that, I would just see his 445 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,319 dad at night in the window because I could see their house like my bedroom 446 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,319 face their house. Oh my god, they were behind us in my betterface 447 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,480 their house. And you would just see his dad up at like midnight playing 448 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,480 the guitar alone in his room. I thought, you're gonna be like, 449 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,559 it's like a Boo Radley situation. That kind of his dad was creepy. 450 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,160 His dad, his dad, it was weird. His dad would always be 451 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:02,079 like, I'm really good at knots. Fuck off. No, I wouldn't 452 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,960 do that, of course. And then the guy people who lived there, 453 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,359 how's wight with Kurts? Because the people who lived out there after that, 454 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,759 what was he playing on the guitar? I couldn't hear. I just you 455 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:19,160 just always had was playing Clapton. He probably he probably was, man, 456 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,680 that's Okay, we got to get back to this child murderer and not let's 457 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,519 go back to child suicide. Say real quick, the people who moved in 458 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,640 after that, the guy was a pedophile. So two days after she killed 459 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,599 Martin Brown, shortly before the funeral of Martin Brown in a game of Chicken, 460 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,119 both of the Freak Girls, Norman and Mary, went to Martin's house 461 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,759 and asked his mother June, to see Martin. When June Brown replied they 462 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,640 couldn't see her son because he was, you know, dead, Mary replied, 463 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,519 Oh, I knew he's dead. I want to see him in the 464 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:58,240 coffin. I you know, I don't even care because it's not her fault. 465 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,200 It's okay, it's it's a little bit people that also get abused that 466 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:07,119 don't do this. I understand. It's like a dice roll. I understand, 467 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,200 but you still have she still had to have so many levers pulled it 468 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,200 all to get to that. Yeah, Like I it's like at this point, 469 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:21,279 I mean, poork, awful, poor kid, But like what, 470 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,319 I don't know, She's not She's not a human being right now, No, 471 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:30,319 she's she's uh. Psychologists would call her emotional level primitive at best. 472 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:35,119 Yeah. Yeah, almost feral in a way, but like we'll get it. 473 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,839 Going back to a story Rob was talking about earlier, he would prefer 474 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:45,319 that all the children that are abused be thrown in the furnace. Yeah, 475 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,759 that's that's what Rob said. It wasn't dogs, it was babies. That's 476 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,160 the twist at the end. That's the that's the Oh my god, they're 477 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,079 not puppies. I think there's one twist. And then then what you find 478 00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:58,440 out is that it's actually another cult member being like, oh no, they're 479 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,000 puppies. But then the cops come in and they just that Colemark causes the 480 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,200 puppies. Yeah, calls baby's puppies. There's just orphans in maybe a costume 481 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:09,360 at the Orphans of All Ages. There's like sixty year old orphans in there. 482 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:14,559 Well yeah, anyway, Just two months later after the whole Martin thing, 483 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,960 on the afternoon of July thirty first, nineteen sixty eight, a three 484 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:22,119 year old boy named Brian Howe was last seen by his parents in the street 485 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,000 outside his house. He was playing with one of his siblings, the family 486 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:30,440 dog, and who else but the two worst children you can possibly imagine seeing 487 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,639 your kids play with Mary and Norma. The dogs there are protect him. 488 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,079 The dog did not hold up his end of the bar when he did not 489 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,199 return home. Later that afternoon, in the family and some neighbors began a 490 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:45,679 search party without much success, but at eleven to ten pm, a search 491 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,880 partly a search party, discovered Brian's body between two large concrete blocks upon the 492 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,159 Tin Lizzie A nearby rail line. The coroner would conclude that Brian had died 493 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,400 of strangulation. This next part's from the coroner's report. So skip ahead thirty 494 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,400 seconds if you don't tiny little hands Yep, they're little, tiny ten year 495 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,199 old hands. Yeah, I just skip ahead. This is uh, this 496 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,559 is relevant till you give up night last night. No, this is when 497 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,400 I found out that the story I wrote before was fake. Yeah. So 498 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,679 Jake had a whole other episode that he wrote, and then he was like, 499 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,599 what you can tell it. I researched it and I got like three 500 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,760 very valid seeming sources about it, and then I was like, oh, 501 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,880 I want one more for just any other funny bits I can find. Yep. 502 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,559 And it was an article written like three years ago, just completely debunking 503 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,880 the story. None of it's true. So you were pissed off and you're 504 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,559 like, I need to give the fucking listeners the worst story imaginable. Well, 505 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,920 this is about the horrors of humanity. It is a spooky month after 506 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,360 so in a way you feel like these toddlers, like that story did to 507 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,000 your night, what Mary did to these toddlers, and now you're doing to 508 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:55,880 us, And listen, that's what that first episode did to you. Okay, 509 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,480 I'm gonna cut out a lot of the corner report. I'm just gonna 510 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,159 give you one. No. Numerous puncture wounds were found inflicted, and a 511 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:08,440 crude attempt had been made to carve a letter in Brian's stomach, the letter 512 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:15,400 m okay sure, yeah, but there was also just enough force to realize 513 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,159 that this corner was a little wiser. He's like around his neck, it's 514 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,960 like tiny fingerprints. Yeah, I think a kid did this. Good corner. 515 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:28,840 This Also, they also found one other thing, Graham maroon fibers on 516 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,039 Brian's body that did not match any of the family's clothing. Okay, so 517 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:37,159 this is the only level of forensics they're doing. This sparked a large scale 518 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,480 manhunt for whoever was killing the children. Over one hundred detectives were assigned to 519 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,639 the investigation, and more than twelve hundred children in like the surrounding area had 520 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:50,320 been questioned. Of those, of course, were Mary and Norma. And 521 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:58,159 boy did Mary fucking why about it? Like non stop fucking lying, changing 522 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,800 story. It's so she was bad at lying, very okay, very bad. 523 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,280 You were trying to say she was like man and she was such a 524 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,719 psychopath that she could like she's because I mean, like that's what like really 525 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,840 good psychopathic people are, just like she's good for ten, she's good for 526 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,000 ten. Fair enough say that she's not a sociopath. She's a psycho. 527 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:21,639 She is a she is a true psychopath. Okay, Like she said she 528 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,920 remembered seeing another eight year old local boy playing with Brian on the afternoon, 529 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,920 and she said she had also seen him hitting the child and carrying scissors. 530 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,679 Scissors were an important part of the crime scene. They found scissors carving. 531 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,559 Yeah. Mary then said, quote Mary, Oh, I saw him trying 532 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,719 to cut a cat's tail off with the scissors, like just a totally made 533 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,679 up thing, right, I mean that's what a kid would say. Yeah, 534 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:49,079 I saw them, and he was hitting him and he was laughing when 535 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,480 he was hitting him, and he was like, really mean because I saw 536 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:57,000 him trying to cut this cat's tail off too with scissors. He had scissors, 537 00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,639 by the way, so if there was anything like carved into the boy 538 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,679 or something like, he was probably from those scissors or he did something. 539 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,840 And then also I saw him step on a frog and laugh and then he 540 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,599 hit his mom and he uh said, he said, yeah, he loves 541 00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:17,360 the devil, and yeah, like he's strings. It's at the worst storytelling 542 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,719 every right, kids are like this is of course she's a terrible liar. 543 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,599 She's ten kids are bad and each other, there's himself. You know, 544 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,639 they overseell it. Yeah, and they're just bad at just stringing thoughts together. 545 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,039 I remember the type of coherent so many lines I told my parents was 546 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,400 like maybe on ten. Deep down, I just never really got past the 547 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,320 age of ten. Well, you're not a good liar. No, I 548 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,679 can barely string sentences together. Oh yeah, even when he's saw on the 549 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,079 truth. But yeah, so this amazingly bullshit story was almost immediately snuffed out 550 00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,239 by the detective because he looked into the whereabouts of the kids she accused. 551 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,960 Yeah, he was verifiably at an airport in another city. Perfect. Yeah, 552 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,079 not even just like a place, no, Like multiple people were like, 553 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,280 ro I saw that kid, Yeah, he was at an airport. 554 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,000 And also no one else outside of police knew about the scissors. Perfect, 555 00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:15,400 and Mary brought it up in the story. So yeah, yeah. A 556 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,800 few days after that, how do you interrogate a ten year old gently? 557 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,800 No, and it is gently, bro you break them not too, I 558 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:30,719 swear this isn't a callback. But you let them hang themselves, all right, 559 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,840 all right, good one, that's good. I hate that. I 560 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,480 laughed at that. A few days later, Norma, Mary's friend ratted her 561 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:45,440 out. She told the police Mary had confessed to her she'd enjoyed strangling the 562 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,559 children, before describing how she had inflicted the scourmarks to his stomach. A 563 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:54,480 drawing Norma made of the wounds inflicted to the boy's stomach precisely mashed those described 564 00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,039 by the coroner. Yeah, but at first, Norma said she wasn't there. 565 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:04,559 Yeah, that makes sense for her to be like, you know it 566 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:08,199 there though, yeah there man. After this, Mary Bell was visited at 567 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:12,920 her home once again by the police. When confronted with the discrepancies in her 568 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,400 previous statement, she told detectives, you're trying to brainwash me. Oh, 569 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,800 get a solicitor to get me out of this one. What a solicitor? 570 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,320 What a lawyer? A lawyer like, I'm gonna get my lawyer. Yeah, 571 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,199 good luck with whatever fucking public defenders taking your case. You're a hooker's 572 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,199 daughter, yes, Johnny Cochran's not walking through that door. Not a good 573 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,079 escort either, No, no, no, that's why I said hook her. 574 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,000 Yeah. So is there a threshold dollar amount that you have to make 575 00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:46,440 in order to be considered an escort? There should be to be six figures? 576 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,119 I think six yeah, Well, like per session is a couple of 577 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:54,760 grand Yeah, if there's not, if there is not a comma in your 578 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:01,599 you're a hooker, sex works? Really four figs escort? Yeah, I 579 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,599 gotta imagine it's locale too, like location I mean, yeah, I guess, 580 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,000 but in that case it would sure, yeah, it would be monetarily 581 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:15,960 if you're if you're a prostitute in you know, it's like, are you 582 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239 Mississippi somewhere? Well, no, I'm saying, are you in Caesar's or 583 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,679 are you on the strip? Oh yeah yeah yeah. But also you know, 584 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,840 the dollar doesn't go as far as it used to in the middle of 585 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,440 the country. That's true. A lot of ladies getting upgraded to escort just 586 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:34,599 because of inflation, So we might have to move the fucking goalpost. Yeah, 587 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,599 you move it with obviously with with with the inflation, with the dollar. 588 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,039 Yeah. Can you imagine like an inflation argument happening in a car by 589 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,719 a John and a prostitute. It probably has. I'm almost positive in the 590 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:51,360 Reagan years. Yeah, blast and Coke, the the interest rates are through 591 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,400 the roof. Yeah, you're killing me, Babs, real quick. 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Oh perfect. 669 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,840 When the boy's coffin like broke the threshold of the house, she hunched 670 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000 over, rubbed her hands together and smiled like she was about to get a 671 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:45,280 good meal. Yeah that's a literal goblin move. He basically said in an 672 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,440 interview, I knew I had to get her at that point. She's gonna 673 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,360 do it again, yeah, immediately. Yeah. So both girls were formally 674 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,639 charged with the murder at eight pm that evening. In response to this charge, 675 00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:01,719 while being arrested Mary replied that's all right by me, and Norma burst 676 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,599 into tears, simply proclaiming, I never I never was there. I'll get 677 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,440 you back for this, Mary, that's funny. So there's a little bit 678 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,239 of a yeah back and forth here, and I have a theory about Norma 679 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,199 that I'll get too later. Uh, just a quick note on the psychological 680 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,280 evaluation. Shortly after their arrest, both girls underwent them. The result of 681 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,719 these tests revealed Norma was intellectually delayed in a submissive character by trait. So 682 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,159 they thought she was actually intellectually like eight years old. Okay, so she 683 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,559 was severely handicapped compared to her eight thirteen to eight. What do you mean, 684 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:43,079 like so like actually like mentally handicapped, not just like like bad education 685 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,159 and no, she was like developmentally slow okay, yeah, like and her 686 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,559 because of that, she was incredibly submissive. So yeah, poor, it's 687 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:57,079 beyond poverty. It's like that's what I was asking, Yeah, like is 688 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,519 it just a but I mean I'm sure that didn't help by a stretch. 689 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:02,559 I'm sure. Well, also, what it's nineteen sixty eight, they live 690 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:07,119 in some shitty part of England. Yeah, probably just like breathing in every 691 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,559 chemical possible. They live like inside of a coal plant pretty much. Yeah, 692 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:15,440 drinking the run off. That her uncles have been stabbed countless times. 693 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:21,320 The four psychiatrists who examined Mary concluded that, although not suffering from any mental 694 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:29,119 disorder or disability, she suffered from a psychopathic personality disorder. Yeah. Of 695 00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:32,440 her personality traits, they said that were the most troubling was her cunning. 696 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,599 When they were evaluating her, she realized what was going on pretty quick and 697 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,920 was trying to like game it okay. They also said that she had severe 698 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:52,159 tendencies of violence and had saydomsochistic tendencies and enjoyed inflicting pain and possibly getting pain 699 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,360 as well. Would love to know what she's doing these days. You will 700 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,559 never know. Actually, and she changed name. I assume there's a whole 701 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:07,000 thing about that. How do they figure figure out? All? Like they're 702 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:08,880 just like, all right, Mary, now we're done with this section. 703 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,719 I want to go have a smoke and we're gonna leave this bunny in here 704 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,360 with you. It's just just make sure the rabbit's all right. We'll be 705 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,679 back in half an hour, all right. We can leave you with a 706 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:29,360 lunch, including this knife and fork, and then the bunny will just be 707 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,159 playing. Yeah, so see you in a half an hour. And we're 708 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:38,679 we're still doing renovations on the the unit. Here here's a hammer, yeah 709 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,320 yeah, you want to hammer it now? And his hammer and these nails 710 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,840 here it looks like one of the construction workers fashioned a little crucifix or John's 711 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:54,159 quite the Anglican. So nails, hammer, bunny sized crucifix, bunny and 712 00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:58,760 then your fork and you also got your little helper in case you need help 713 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,079 with that construction. So anyway I go to have a smoke, you just 714 00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:07,000 you know, seeing a bit. It wouldn't surprise me with the level of 715 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:12,119 investigation that happened if the psychological evaluators had So that's what actually every psychological value 716 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,440 should be is just leave him with a bunny for a while. Do they 717 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,800 pet it or do they you know, yeah, do they lenny it? 718 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,159 Today? Uh, I was watching the kids because you didn't have work, 719 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:28,000 and Courtney still work. At what point Rory was like walking up to Finn 720 00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:31,239 and was like clearly about to do something fucked up, and I go like, 721 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,920 I just go like he was like rearing back to do something I don't 722 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,440 know what, like flip him over or something shit. And I'm like, 723 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:43,000 I saw him mile away. So Rory, Rory, and he looks up 724 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,960 at me, and I go gentle and he just looks at me and goes 725 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,119 to the baby's head and pats some key's dog. Just goes, oh, 726 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,239 no, yeah, your kid's a psychopath. Have you left him alone with 727 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,599 a bunny yet? No? God, I gotta go. Yes, that's 728 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,800 the stress test. That's Patreon episode with the bunny. And then we leave, 729 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,920 and we leave the cameras on see what happens. It's like, okay, 730 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,199 buddy, we gotta go. We gotta leave for it. We gotta 731 00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,360 go outside to have a smoke. Yeah, we're smoking out there. Don't 732 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,719 come out there, just you, the shotgun and the buddy. Oh fuck, 733 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,760 that's right now. One of the testimonies. I'm not gonna get into 734 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,760 the entire trial here, but one of the testimonies from Norma Jean about the 735 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,559 event. She later did confess to being at the scene of the murder, 736 00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:29,519 so her story changed a lot. But one of the things that Mary said 737 00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,920 to her when she was strangling Brian, the three year old by the thin 738 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,920 Lizzie. The rail line was, oh, I married, my hands are 739 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,679 getting thick. Take over Jesus, She's like, my hand's hurt. I'm 740 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:43,000 strangling. Yeah, yeah, so hard that line just my hands are getting 741 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,400 thick? Is that? I guess I was slang for that back then. 742 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,440 I guess I don't know, man, but that just that sent chills down 743 00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:52,639 my spine. That the girl wasn't like I should stop, It was tap 744 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:57,119 in my hands hurt. Wait did she tap in? According to the court, 745 00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,440 No, okay, but imagine if she started building up callouses from the 746 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,480 amount of guilty christ uh. Yeah. They also found that the threads that 747 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,440 were found were on Brian Rolsovolna Martin brownwn. You know, I have to 748 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:15,000 imagine though that testimony is all nice and stuff or whatever, but like any 749 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,679 decent defense lawyer should be able to get the testimony of a child, let 750 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,480 alone a developmentally delayed child tossed out the fucking window that only one that's changed 751 00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:28,920 their story so many times. That's where you'd be right, because she didn't 752 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,119 have a good lawyer. Yeah. They were both being tried by the way 753 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:36,519 Norma and me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The trial lasted nine days 754 00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:40,199 and included a six hour opening statement from the prosecution, which is fucking bananas. 755 00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:45,519 I gotta feel like six hours six hours of point I'm on the jury 756 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:47,039 and I'm like, I don't care who they are. Not guilty, you 757 00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:52,000 asshole, just not guilty. Fuck you six hours. Uh. Norma stayed 758 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:57,239 consistent with her story because she had confessed to being there before the trial began. 759 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,119 Yeah, and Mary would just blame Norma the whole time, basically saying 760 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:05,039 she did it. The jury rendered their verdict in three hours, so pretty 761 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,239 quick turn around. There, sorter than the fucking opening statement. It was 762 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:13,599 shorter than the opening. Mary Bell was convicted of the manslaughter of both boys 763 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:20,000 and not the murder on grounds of diminished responsibility. By that honestly, even 764 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,639 without the abuse, I think it's because it's a fucking child, right, 765 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,880 But yeah, that's the abuse in there. I mean. Norma Bell was 766 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:34,079 acquitted of all charges because she displayed remorse and gave eyewitness testimony. She whiled 767 00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:37,559 over up Mary, she rolled snitch. You want to know the craziest part 768 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,559 what when hearing the jury's verdict, obviously, Mary burst into tears because she 769 00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:45,079 realized what was happening. Yeah, you know what Norma did. What she 770 00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:49,960 hopped up and clapped in excitement. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean 771 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,599 I get it. I guess she's like also, okay, I think though, 772 00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:55,440 but maybe maybe you're not picturing this right. I think at the time 773 00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:00,400 that was like a normal reaction to be like, oh yeah, jail. 774 00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:05,920 Yeah yeah, probably, maybe I'm overthinking it. I just thought it was 775 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,440 a bit menacing. No, I think it's I think it's like you you've 776 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,079 seen old movies right there? Oh yeah, yeah, daddy, please the 777 00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,920 toy, the toy, Like, yes, I guess you're right. Yeah, 778 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,480 okay, that's what she was doing. Mary pretty much the two girls 779 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:27,679 in a Willy Wonka lost in her mind when Augustus Sloop just gets fucking sucked 780 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,159 up that tube. Yeah, they're like, oh one less Daddy, more 781 00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:38,760 for me. Uh yeah. Mary was sentenced to a sentence at her Majesty's 782 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:45,719 pleasure, which means indefinite, definite sentence. So you got to stay in 783 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:52,320 until we decide whether or not we're not fucking crazy anymore. Yeah. Yeah. 784 00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:54,079 When in prison. She's scaped one time for a little bit when she 785 00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:57,920 was in her later teenage years. I think she's around sixteen or seventeen, 786 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:01,440 which makes sense. She she would be re caught and serve the remainder of 787 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,039 her sentence until she was released at the age of twenty three. Okay, 788 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:07,800 so she put her hair down the tower, like what happened? I don't 789 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,800 know. I don't think she were puzzled. I don't think you can climb 790 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,880 your own hair. I don't think. Well, the tinsel strength of hair 791 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,800 is actually insane. No. Actually, if you grow your hair long enough 792 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,360 and then you tie it up to something and you got it all and just 793 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:27,119 maybe yeah, yeah, I imagine every like child prison in England is a 794 00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:30,360 tower. It's all towers, Yes, it's gotta be. But yeah, 795 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,559 her and a couple other kids broke out and they just like went and partied 796 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,320 because they were obviously bored, right yeah yeah, but uh. When she 797 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,840 was released, she was granted a right of anonymity to allow her to live 798 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,920 a normal life, and eventually she had a daughter. We only know this 799 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,639 because people discovered who she was. The daughter was granted anonymity until she was 800 00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:54,039 eighteen, then they found out who she was again, so both her and 801 00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:59,079 her daughter have a lifetime of guaranteed anonymity. They've had to be like rescued 802 00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:02,079 out of situations people trying to kill Mary for something that happened. She wait, 803 00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:07,119 wait, what is her name? Mary Bell b e L L b 804 00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:09,239 e L. Yeah, there's been interviews with her with like you know, 805 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,519 people have done an interview with her as she stayed, like you know, 806 00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,679 correspondence and stuff. Right, she did a whole thing like so she uh 807 00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:22,199 she basically I guess too after a point like really did express remorse and like 808 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,559 you know, she did a whole kind of breakdown the reason we know about 809 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:29,800 the sexual abuse in the way she was. She she gave like a whole 810 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,239 rundown of what her life was like. Yeah, she read a book. 811 00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:35,920 There was a not like a full memoir, I don't think, but like 812 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,880 there was a at least like an article or some sort of like what would 813 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,880 you call it, like a not a journal, but like some sort of 814 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,360 paper written by professionals about the whole situation. She is the youngest person to 815 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:55,199 ever be sentenced with that specific conviction and the youngest ever received that that that 816 00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:01,000 like indefinite sense in British history that's never been matched to this day and as 817 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,280 of today, her whereabouts are still unknown. I mean, I'm seeing pictures 818 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,599 of her. I'm seeing a photo from nineteen eighty two, which is not 819 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,599 that one's she's not that old, and she looks awful. I mean, 820 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,480 it's a rough life, bro, I'm seeing a different one. Maybe this 821 00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,000 is her daughter. It could be her daughter, but yeah, I mean, 822 00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,039 she'd been found out a couple times and all that. But I mean, 823 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:24,920 really, the thing that blew my mind in this one was just obviously 824 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,400 the abject horror of all of it. But she is a creepy kid. 825 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:35,119 Oh yeah. The picture of her as a child is fucking terrifying. And 826 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,159 I would think this if I didn't know anything. I just knew right now, 827 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,719 like as a baby, just as a ten year old. Yeah, 828 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,079 that's not that bad. Have you seen the photo of her as a toddler? 829 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:47,000 I think, let's at let's slang it, or maybe this is one 830 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,039 of the kids she killed. But turn it. The kid looks awful. 831 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,480 Oh that's one of the kids she killed. Yeah, the kid looks like 832 00:57:52,519 --> 00:58:00,119 he's like just a small, small human who's probably like forty works works sometime 833 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,840 in the minds. I'm telling you they all lived inside of a coal factor. 834 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,719 Yeah, dude. I mean, this was the sixties, It was 835 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,960 not that long ago. Dude, bro, it was not good. It 836 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,559 does look like a little person. I wouldn't even blame her for killing that 837 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:24,559 okid fucking anyway, sorry, uh yeah, So I think the craziest thing 838 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:31,039 to me is like the police knew after the first assault that she had violent 839 00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:35,159 tendencies because yeah, other parents told the police after Well, yeah, forgot 840 00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,000 about that. She's already on the fucking radar. She's already in the system. 841 00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:42,400 She's very on the radar in that neighborhood. And like multiple parents had 842 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,360 complained about the sandbox thing that that's one of the details I left out. 843 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:49,320 The trichia thing. That was just the first time it ever got like down 844 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:54,000 a kid's throat, but she was constantly trying to try another time. Norman 845 00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:58,280 was telling a story about when they first met. Mary like looked at her 846 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,400 and goes, what would happen if you wrapped your hands hauled around someone's neck 847 00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,880 like this and just grabbed the child while they were standing there. Perfect, 848 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,960 And then she's said, oh, and then Norm was like, and then 849 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,800 they turned purple and she moved to the next child, and like the kids 850 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,960 just stood there and like watched, yes, because they were like they couldn't 851 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,679 really comprehend it. You should have taught these kids jiu jitsu, but it's 852 00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:23,559 weird. The proper way to like choke someone out and then they'll be perfectly 853 00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,719 fine. They don't die. You know, you need to know long enough, 854 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,400 how long you need to choke the person out before they pass out, 855 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:36,199 But don't die pretty much. Just get these kids to roll. You got 856 00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:37,199 to think there was like at least one or two parents is like, hey 857 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,519 have you checked them Mary? Yeah? Like have you looked up Mary Bell? 858 00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:44,159 Yet? Oh? Who what? Someone's killing these kids? They're straining 859 00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:46,920 another kid. I have a person for you to look into. There's some 860 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,519 shining twins girls that around here with looks like scissors, and yeah, maybe 861 00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:58,039 them, But yeah, I get that. You know she didn't get life 862 00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:00,159 because she was a child, right, she was ten, But why does 863 01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,920 she get protective services when she comes out of prey because people tried to fucking 864 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,599 kill her. That's kind of on her. Who cares? I'm sorry you 865 01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:12,800 have to deal with that. I mean, fair enough, there's different arguments 866 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,239 for that. Fair say you're wrong. Yeah, I'm not going to argue 867 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:16,719 that you're wrong. I'm not going I'm not going to say that they were 868 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:24,920 wrong, but I think you have a point. My tax dollar fair fair. 869 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,239 Yeah, so that's it for that story. Who's today's hitler? Mary 870 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:37,039 Bell? Mary Bell is today? No, I don't know her. Who's 871 01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,039 worse her mom or dad? Her mom? It's her mom. Her mom's 872 01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:44,119 hitler. Actually, her mom is definitely hitler. Yeah, but would you 873 01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:51,119 learn nothing good? I didn't learn anything. I learned that I would. 874 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,840 I just I mean, I learned that I was really good at being disassociative 875 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,119 on the fly. Yeah. Good job, man, good job. Way 876 01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:01,039 to tune it out. Like my wife is texting me pictures of the kids 877 01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:05,679 in the bath. You're so a kid. The age of your children was 878 01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:07,719 fucking strangled to death by a ten year old. Yeah, but we brought 879 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:14,079 up some good memories for you. True you did. Yeah, my lovely 880 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:17,239 neighbors. Yeah, it got darker in the like memories for you guys. 881 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,119 Yeah that happened. That's a real thing. Dan though out of a window. 882 01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:28,079 Rob neighbor had a Rob's neighbor behind his house was one the second two 883 01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:31,039 I fought on the second floor. Oh did you really damn dude, you 884 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,320 good job. He's still here kicking it. I mean, the kid about 885 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,119 hula behind me was definitely murdered. I'm going to murder all the way. 886 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,079 Okay, could you get caught for slander on that? I guess he didn't 887 01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:43,960 say his name? Uh not really, you'd have to look it up and 888 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,880 blah blah blah. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, that's it first show. 889 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,679 Hope you enjoyed it, y'all. Again, check out our Patreon. It's 890 01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,920 not normally that graphic, but it is Horror Month, so yeah, check 891 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,199 out our patreons patreon dot com. Slash softcore history. Usually when we talk 892 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,400 about kids dying, we do it in a more digestible way. We'll be 893 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:05,719 like, and then you know, the army sacked the city and killed twenty 894 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,880 thousand kids, which is fine to say, But when you talk about killing 895 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:13,360 like two kids in the detail, yeah, then you're they're no longer statistic 896 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,840 children is a tragedy. Twenty thousand is a statistic sacking. Yeah, yeah, 897 01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:21,960 everyone knows that. Well you know it, and enough time has passed. 898 01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:25,039 I think that's the only thing that allowed me to really even like not 899 01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:29,840 this I'm saying when we talk about like beag Dad gets sacked by the mongols. 900 01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:31,000 Yeah, whatever, we can talk. Well, it's funny you say 901 01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:37,519 that. Patreon dot COM's last soft coore history. Yeah, check it out, 902 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,320 leave us a review, and check us out on YouTube. Yeah we 903 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,400 need some more views. We have a great set deck. Dan did a 904 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,920 good job here. We kind of want to just leave it like this because 905 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,760 yeah, maybe not this, maybe some bones. We'll keep the bone. 906 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,159 Can we keep uh? 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