WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:16.640 Well Whiskey Coming from power Line blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot Com. 2 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:23.399 This is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, John 3 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:33.439 You, and power Lines International Woman of Mystery Lucretia got a giving where you're 4 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:41.719 being in loud, down and low. Greetings everyone from Austin, Texas, 5 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.719 where John You, I'm your host here, have fled. I have fled 6 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:50.359 the People's Republic of California for the week, and I've spent it at the 7 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:55.960 University of Texas at Austin, which is like a conservative paradise. Everybody, 8 00:00:56.119 --> 00:01:00.439 even Austin, Texas, puts to shame any of these their cities in California. 9 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.599 It's so right wing compared to I thought, I think of it as 10 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:07.560 a want to be Berkeley. So sad. Actually, I think that's what 11 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.280 Trump would say, sad. But I'm oh, go ahead, sorry, 12 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.400 Well, I was gonna say. I'm joined here by my co hosts, 13 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:23.319 the irrepressible Intervening Steve Hayward and the International Woman of Mystery Lucretia. Steve You 14 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.319 are about to say, well, I did you're You've been gone a week 15 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.879 and I'm actually down in LA But I understand from Twitter that Berkeley Laws graduation 16 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:37.079 ceremonies were interrupted by hecklers and protesters who were trying to shout down the speaker, 17 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:42.480 who was Elizabeth Preligar, the solictener general for the So they're they're yelling 18 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.120 at, you know, the Biden administration, which is so shades of nineteen 19 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.359 sixty eight all over again. And apparently from what I read on Twitter from 20 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:52.760 a couple of our friends who were there, that she soldiered through it. 21 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.280 Adam disrupt her and doesn't surprise me. I mean, if you're used to 22 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:00.400 being heckled by Sam Alito and uh uh Neil Gorsetch, a bunch of you 23 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:05.159 know, scrawny protesters at Berkeley aren't going to bother you exactly. Meanwhile, 24 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.360 here in Austin, when I was walking by the College Green yesterday because their 25 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:15.120 graduation is today too, I saw the mounted Texas Rangers of You Battalion formation. 26 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:22.360 My draw shopped. Oh yeah, I suspect there will be no protests 27 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:28.919 here today. We had protests across the university, but none at my convocation. 28 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:37.560 Mine was was an absolutely wonderful affair with incredible didn't have a speaker A 29 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.400 certain congressman was supposed to be our speaker and canceled at the last minute. 30 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:46.080 So it was it was me, It was I am the students who took 31 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:51.439 the job, and it came off without a hitch noe protesters. That's because 32 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:58.919 we don't have any of those woke gender studies classes at my college, none 33 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:00.919 whatsoever. I do want to tell you, guys, I almost sent this 34 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:06.599 to you because some of the classes I teach are called writing emphasis courses. 35 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.919 Actually, all the courses I teach. I was invited, in the midst 36 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:16.240 of my university's huge financial crisis to join a fellowship for next year, for 37 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:21.840 which they would pay me and everyone else in one thousand dollars to learn how 38 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:28.800 to teach my students anti racism and linguistic social justice writing. Oh lord, 39 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:37.080 I want to come to Austin so bad. John Lucretia, I would do 40 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:38.919 that, but it would have to be several more zeros after the one. 41 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:44.280 No kidding. Think you could pay me enough, John, I don't think 42 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.439 so. But you know, for the for the for the Lucretia fans out 43 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:52.960 there, the legions of them, many of them probably perched on horseback right 44 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.599 now patrolling the College Green here at Texas. You might have seen photos at 45 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:02.599 the University to Austin where tear gas was onto the students University of Arizona. 46 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:08.039 Yeah, Universe, Arizona. I'm sorry, and I thought for sure I 47 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:13.479 saw a large, massive blonde hair throwing some of the projectiles, but Lucretius 48 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:16.079 said it wasn't her. I would man, oh man. And the other 49 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:23.079 thing is because I get I've had a lot of commentors, either privately or 50 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:26.560 sometimes in the comments, give me a hard time, and rightly so, 51 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:32.040 because my university not only hired but gave a huge award to little miss hot 52 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:40.879 Mess, who is this thing that dresses up like a woman and goes to 53 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:48.360 drag Queen's story hour and his was recognized by the university for its scholarship, 54 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:56.839 and the scholarship is writing children's books that encourage young children to get sex change 55 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.240 operations and transition and be who they want to be. It's just personal to 56 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:08.600 all my commenters out there, I apologize. I'm disgusted by it, and 57 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.439 I'm trying to figure out if I had gone to graduation and stood up and 58 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:16.120 said instead of saying kill the Jews, if I kill the transgenders. What 59 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:20.560 would have happened to me? Right? What do you think? Yeah, 60 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:24.800 that's what I want to do. I actually don't want to kill them. 61 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:29.240 I just got people. What the hell? Sorry, I'm done. I'm 62 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:36.040 coming to Austin. John Well, let me say it's not entirely paradise, 63 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:40.519 but it's the closest you're going to get in the United States except maybe the 64 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:45.199 University of Florida for conservative academic and the good thing, the one thing I 65 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.360 came away a sense of and we'll we'll talk about this later in the show 66 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.839 about the college protests and the responses, But seems to me Texas and Florida 67 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:58.639 and competition. Actually yes, to restore Western civilization in the curriculum, which 68 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:03.160 lining Tyler good thing. But speaking of restoring and saving Western civilization, seems 69 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:10.240 like President Biden's doing everything he can to stop the defense. So the breaking 70 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:15.519 news this week, which I thought we'd lead with, was President Biden's announcement 71 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.040 on CNN of all places, in an interview that he would stop certain kinds 72 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:26.879 of arm shipments to Israel if it were to attack Rafa. Rafa being the 73 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:33.839 last holdout of Hamas and Gaza. The large part of the Palestinian civilian population 74 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:41.759 is above ground in Rafa, and the remaining elements of Hamas, which apparently 75 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:47.480 still several thousand fight or strong, plus the hostages plus weapons supplies, are 76 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:55.240 all underground in Rafa. Israel has cleared most of the rest of the Gaza 77 00:06:55.279 --> 00:07:00.560 strip, and so President Biden announced that if the Israelis go into population centers 78 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:06.839 in Rafa, he's going to cut off certain arms. These include not just 79 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:12.959 large bombs two thousand pound bombs, but also what are called jay dams, 80 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:18.959 which are the kind of modifications you make to dumb bombs to turn them into 81 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:29.759 smart bombs. So can we do that to students, Yes, but I 82 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.120 think actually too, that writing class you're talking about is an anti jay dam's 83 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.839 trying to take smart students and tournament to dumb bombs. Again, maybe my 84 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:43.240 question is can we do that to professors? So, Lucretia, why don't 85 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.360 you start us off? What do you think about President Biden's move? What 86 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.079 do you think the consequences will be, Will Israel still go in anyway? 87 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:55.279 What do you think? As many Conservators are claiming that this is and as 88 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.639 Steve referenced, this is part of Biden's two state solution, which is winning 89 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:05.000 Pencil and Michigan. In other words, blatantly turning foreign policy towards just winning 90 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:11.279 votes for the twenty twenty four election. If I don't even know where to 91 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.319 start, so let's start with the last thing you said. I'm not sure 92 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.920 that this is as a policy for winning votes, is it. I mean, 93 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.959 I think it's entirely misguided just from that point of view. I really 94 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:28.079 don't think that there are enough of those idiot pro Hamas. And I refuse, 95 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.279 by the way, to call them pro Palestinian, because we need to 96 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.759 stop pretending, hey, there's any such thing as a Palestinian that we care 97 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:41.960 about anyway, and be that such things that are Palestinians or anything but pro 98 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:46.519 Hamas. So let's change the nomenclature on that one sort of permanently. That's 99 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.600 what I've done. I got called out on it a couple of times at 100 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.799 the university, but I didn't care anyway. Back to I don't think it's 101 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:58.879 going to be a smart move for Biden because one of Biden's biggest weaknesses, 102 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.399 I think has been his weakness, his vacillating, his you know, the 103 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:09.120 whole Afghanistan thing and all of those sorts of things, and you know, 104 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:15.720 it's so obvious that he's just paindering. He's paindering to this young left wing 105 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.399 vote. Are there really that many of them out there, Steve, you 106 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.440 would know the answer to that question. I don't think that there are. 107 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.600 And you know, I've been actually staying on the whole election thing for just 108 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.679 a moment, interested to read a bunch of stuff lately about how it's pathetic, 109 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:43.080 overweight, mentally disturbed young women who are these pro Palestinian pro Hamas protesters, 110 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:50.320 and men young men are turning more and more and more conservative. Now. 111 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.679 Part of that is because they're not in college, or if they're in 112 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.960 college, they're in real disciplines as opposed to gender studies and so on and 113 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.559 so forth. But they're also not in college as much, and so therefore 114 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:07.440 they're not being brainwashed to the same extent. And you're starting to see this 115 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:15.799 weird divide between young single men and young single women of say about college age, 116 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.240 where more and more they're supporting Trump. Never mind our good friends at 117 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:24.440 the fraternities who are showing themselves to be pro American as opposed to pro Hamas. 118 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.320 I could go off on that, but Steve will probably have some much 119 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:35.639 more intelligent comments about the actual denial. Supposedly, it's not a denial, 120 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:43.600 it's a review. It's all bs. Come on. Either Israel is right 121 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.559 and it needs to be able to do everything it wants to do needs to 122 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.639 do in order to defeat Hamas, or it's not. You don't get to 123 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:58.240 play both sides here, you really don't. I'm sorry about innocent civilians, 124 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:03.440 but I promise you Hamas is much more responsible for the death or maiming or 125 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:11.120 anything of any innocent civilian than Israel will ever be. And I mean smart 126 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:16.159 people understand that, but not enough people are willing to say that to the 127 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.519 dumb pro Hamas protesters, to the you know, I guess there's no reasoning 128 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:26.879 with them, but still, look, it's frustrating. It's as if you're 129 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.600 living in an alternative universe when you talk to those idiots, right, is 130 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.159 it just me? Let's go, let's go to our expert alternative universes. 131 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:41.679 Steve, Well, well, I mean I didn't think of this. It 132 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:43.080 might have been our pal James LILYX. By the way, I saw that 133 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.600 you've been doing everybody else's podcast this week, John, including Ricochet this week. 134 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.240 Anyway, that's why you guys put me in the hole and maybe the 135 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.639 host well, you know cooler here. I think Lilex made the point. 136 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.639 I think it was a whole week ago said we've reached the John Gill phase 137 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.840 of the Biden presidency. That was the guy you know in the Star Trek 138 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.679 episode, who was you know, mindless and right and was papa they were 139 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.960 putting words in his mouth and or the other line I'd like is that we 140 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.919 actually have the Bernie Sanders administration. I mean, is there a single thing 141 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.480 that Biden has done and is doing that Bernie Sanders wouldn't have done? And 142 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.639 Biden was supposed to be the moderate candidate. Remember, look, I mean 143 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:26.120 this makes no sense from a larger point of view, which is this. 144 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.840 Before you go onund let me ask you a question. How many of the 145 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:35.320 people, the puppet mousters behind Biden are are affiliated in any way with Bernie 146 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:41.639 Sanders or do they just have the same ideological it's the ideological viewpoint, right. 147 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:46.720 They didn't end up with Biden, me Bernie Sanders, Stafford, oh 148 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.320 no, but they have a lot of Elizabeth Warren. I think they actually 149 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.000 have a lot of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders nominees throughout the administration. That's 150 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.159 right, yes, uh so, look, I mean, look, I 151 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.639 mean our government has been clear, and I think in the back of our 152 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:07.000 minds still know that you cannot root out Hamas unless you go into Rafa at 153 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.799 some point, because that's where their commanders and your last redoubt is. And 154 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:11.879 you know, I'm reminded of it. So this is going to make it 155 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:18.360 worse. I'm reminded of the line from the Munich chapter in Churchill's World Crisis, 156 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.399 which actually borrowed from Machi Velly. But he said, there's no merit 157 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.000 in putting off a war for a year if when it comes it is a 158 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.960 far worse war or one much harder to win. And that's where a policy's 159 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.799 gonna do. And by the way, if Hesbal decides to get frisky in 160 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.960 the North and we have this arms of bargo going on, lord knows how 161 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.480 that's going to go. So the and you know, you can quote I 162 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.519 said, you know, Biden is John gil You can quote Biden from just 163 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:48.879 a few years ago, as recently as twenty six, twenty fifteen, talking 164 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.759 about why Israel's right to route out Hamas, how awful hesbal is, and 165 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.600 now he seems to be abandoning all of that. Why he's doing by the 166 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.600 way, you may recall he said it right after October seventh. Yes, 167 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.879 that's right, right, there's a lot of them. There's a quote of 168 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.679 him being played all over the media where he said you have to let Israel 169 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.679 go into Gaza and utterly destroy Hamas. Yes, you're right. Well, 170 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.039 and Steve, let me interrupt for just a second and say that the one 171 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:18.559 good news about all of this is I complained when they passed the big appropriation 172 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.960 bill for Israel, Ukraine, et cetera, and Hamas that we were funding 173 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.879 both sides of the same world. The good news is we're only funding one 174 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:33.039 side of it right now. All that is or there's a great line I 175 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:39.159 can't remember who said it, said, Joe Biden opposes arms embargo on dot 176 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.519 Israel. Yeah, right, God is going to be Iran right now. 177 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.000 Time to Steve, go ahead with your point. The strange thing here is, 178 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.600 uh, what this is proving is that you know, Democrats, Biden, 179 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:56.120 whoever you want to single out, they have absolutely no immune system against 180 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:00.559 the radical left inside their own camp. And why is the strange is you 181 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.279 know, if you and I just wrote a piece comparing this to nineteen sixty 182 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.120 eight, and you know, everyone thinks the Democratic Convention is going to be 183 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.039 disrupted. You know, our population is almost twice what it was in the 184 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.120 sixties, and yet the number of people who are actually out protesting is a 185 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.720 fraction of what it was in the sixties. I mean, it's remembered that 186 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.039 the Great mobilization against the Vietnam War brought two hundred thousand people to Washington, 187 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.600 d c. In nineteen sixty seven, and so these are tiny numbers. 188 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.519 And yet the the you know, the media of the left, you know, 189 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.600 the Democrats are completely unnerved by it and capitulating left and right. And 190 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.600 I mean, have there been some surveys showing the overwhelming majority of students are 191 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.799 not down for all this and are annoyed by it. And yet you know, 192 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:46.679 we've seen university after university hesitate to clear out the encampments, make capitulations 193 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.559 to them. All. All that does, of course, as we know 194 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.159 has happened in the sixties, is it simply inflames the left to demand more 195 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:58.279 and to protest more. I mean, this gives a piece when a bad 196 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:03.600 name. It's so craven. So that's the part that astounds me. And 197 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:10.440 yeah, and then the State Department late in the day Friday putting out a 198 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:15.200 report without any specifics saying yeah, we think Israel's violated international law. This 199 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.200 is the anti Israel faction that's very strong in our state, our career State 200 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.360 Department lexing their muscles. And the fact that it was not stopped by Secretary 201 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:27.159 of State Blincoln or anybody in the White House tells you a lot. We're 202 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:32.960 now, we're completely betraying Israel to go where I started in exactly the same 203 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.600 way England and France betrayed Czechoslovakia in nineteen thirty eight. And this is a 204 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:42.120 bad, bad moment. Let me ask you both returned to Lucretia. It 205 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:48.600 sounds like we're all in agreement that it seems so obvious that this is a 206 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:55.919 foreign policy decision driven by domestic policy. Is there any real actual foreign policy 207 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.279 justification where this is actually a good idea, So that's one. And then 208 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.960 to play out the consequences for me if this decision, do you think Israel 209 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.920 will still go in any way? If Israel goes in any way, what 210 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.480 happens, I mean, what happens to Biden, what happens to a strategy, 211 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:18.839 what happens to our foreign policy? So go ahead, are all along 212 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:26.720 since they first started, you know, talking about doing this appropriation for Ukraine, 213 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:33.920 Hamas and Israel is that I won't revisit the whole thing, just that 214 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.559 we don't need to necessarily be sending this money. But what I've said about 215 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.400 Israel all along is that we need to be showing our moral support. We 216 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:48.759 need to be leading the propaganda campaign, We need to lead the narrative, 217 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.640 whatever you want. We need to make it clear that Israel is in the 218 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:56.839 right and everything it does to protect its own existence, to protect its citizens, 219 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:02.640 everything it deems necessary. We need to be supporting right. And I 220 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:08.240 said, what we decided to do about actually sending arms and weapons and money 221 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:14.640 and all those things is in my view, much more secondary. What the 222 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:22.240 Biden administration managed to do here was take the advice of Lucretia and do exactly 223 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:30.119 the opposite right. So they appropriated money and then they took it away. 224 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:38.200 What does that do that It helps It hurts Israel. But more than that, 225 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:44.720 it's a signal to the to Israel's enemies like Hesbala and so forth, 226 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.440 that the United States is weak, that the United States doesn't support Israel, 227 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.960 and that why not go after them? Because the United States, even though 228 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.200 we have supposedly helped out when the Iranians attacked, what's it been a month 229 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.279 ago? Now, maybe we're not going to this time. I mean, 230 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.480 I can't even imagine how you do something dumber than what the Biden administration is 231 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.039 doing now. I really can't. With respect to Israel, it's wrong on 232 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:17.480 every single level. They're They're the only ally we have in the Middle East, 233 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:23.279 and we've abandoned them in exchange for giving comfort to Hamas. Why are 234 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:30.319 we building a stupid floating whatever. You know what, if the people of 235 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.319 Palestine are starving to death, maybe they should figure out how they could not 236 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:38.519 be such awful people that other Arab countries will let them in. It's not 237 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:41.920 our problem. Let them starve to death or let them kick Hamas out. 238 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:45.920 I'm done. But you know what, that floating thing is actually not really 239 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:51.160 to distribute aid. It's of course Hamas will use it in every way to 240 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:57.039 their advantage if it ever actually gets operational. Sorry, but my really serious 241 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:03.079 point is could we have done anything worse? Is it possible for the Biden 242 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:10.519 administration to have done something more dumb, more stupid, more uh, harmful, 243 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:17.079 not only to Israel but to our reputation? Steve, what could have 244 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.440 done worse? There's one thing that they could have done worse. They could 245 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:25.359 have actually sent in US troops as peacekeepers to try and interpose themselves between Israel 246 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.720 and I mean not similar, not the same, but similar to what we 247 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.640 did in Lebanon in nineteen eighty two and eighty three, and then regretted, 248 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:36.240 right because we just became sitting ducks. But and I gathered that Hamas has 249 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.920 fired on the peer under construction from time to time, just for fun on 250 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.480 giggles. I guess I don't know you have troops there, right, Yeah, 251 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:47.359 no, no boots on the ground, but ground the ground is moving 252 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:48.559 with the ocean. I guess it's not boots on the ground, you know, 253 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.559 just off shore. Yeah, but Steve, tell me so Lucretia went 254 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:59.880 through the foreign policy consequences. Is this a turning point in our domestic Paul 255 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.119 too? Will this be in your piece? We're going to talk about you? 256 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.400 You look at what happened to LBJ when he caved. Yeah, right, 257 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.480 protesters, Is this a similar turning point for Biden? Not that it's 258 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:17.880 going to strengthen him in winning Michigan and Pennsylvania, but it's actually the start 259 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.400 of the downfall. Well, you know, to be perfectly cynical, Jews 260 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:26.359 or what two percent of the population, they are reliably democratic voting group. 261 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.000 You are hearing lots and lots of anecdotes, which at some point, what's 262 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.400 the old line. The pural of anecdote is data of a lot of Jews, 263 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.400 many of them very anti Trump, saying I'm voting for Trump. You 264 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.680 know. John Ponharden says he's getting dozens of calls and emails from people, 265 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:44.519 and other people are saying this. Now, that's not enough to tip New 266 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:47.759 York voting for Trump yet. Well, you know, it's funny, he's 267 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:49.640 being kind of quiet right now. It's it's kind of yeah, I mean, 268 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:55.880 he's attacking that in Yahoo. But that's the sport. So I mean, 269 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.440 you know, I mean Reagan won I think almost forty percent of the 270 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.920 Jewish vote to nineteen eighty because a lot of Jews then were shocked at how 271 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:07.200 hostile Jimmy Carter had been to Israel, including at the UN but now it's 272 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.920 much much worse and more open. So I think he's gonna lose a lot 273 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:15.680 of Jewish folks. And the question is is you know, supposedly people said 274 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.759 Richard Nixon was anti Semitic, because you know, on the tapes he would 275 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.720 say all really nasty things about Jews, but when it came to Israel, 276 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.119 he said nasty things about all race shock. I mean, he's a man 277 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.559 of the seventies. It was so much fun about the seventies. But you 278 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:32.640 know, he was always stalwart and supporting Israel. And in one of those 279 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.759 those gay to say, Steve, one of the isn't a historical parallels. 280 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:40.079 I think Richard Nixon is the receive the highest percentage of Jewish votes. I 281 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:41.759 think got something like forty four percent. That could be right, And was 282 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.559 that part of that because all the games. You know, the US was 283 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.000 not fully supportive of Israel in the sixty seven war, and that was under 284 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:52.200 dj or in all the way back in forty eight when a state department opposed 285 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.880 our recognition of Israel, and Truman went ahead and did it anyway, Nixon 286 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.119 said and I think this explains Truman to some extent. He said, no 287 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.279 American president can ever betray an abandon Israel. It would be unacceptable to our 288 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.279 country. He didn't mean unacceptable to Jews. He meant he understood that. 289 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:11.359 I think Nixon understood because he was a you know, smart and intellectual guy 290 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.759 in a lot of ways. He understood that for a lot of Americans. 291 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:21.880 And this explains Evangelical Christians certainly understand the civilizational bond between Israel and what it 292 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.319 represents and us. By the way, I mean, this should be an 293 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.119 obvious point, but apparently isn't. And this is a this is a neo 294 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:34.319 compoint everyone, well Neo Connellert, Well not really, I mean because because 295 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.039 of other countries. Well, all right, I mean it is, but 296 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:42.960 except the difference here is is Israel does not need our direct intervention. They're 297 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:49.200 happy to defend establish democracy there. That's the other thing. That good point. 298 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.640 Uh, I was well that I forget now, But I mean the 299 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.119 point is is that Americans, a lot of enough Americans understand this. And 300 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:00.839 uh, and of course the something left doesn't understand. Oh that's what I 301 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.200 was gonna say. Last point. Again, I think anybody with a lick 302 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:08.440 of sense, which would be not Biden and his people understand that. You 303 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.319 know, if Israel were defeated, which is the goal of the of the 304 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:17.279 you know, the larger Muslim radical world, we're next, right, I 305 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.880 mean, it's always death to America, death to Israel. America is the 306 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:25.799 great Satan, Israel is the lesser Satan. So what do people think's going 307 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.960 to happen? If you know Israel is our first line of defense in a 308 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.079 lot of ways, never buyd a philosophical and religious ties just as a matter 309 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:38.599 of you know, geostrategy that ought to be obvious to people. But Steve 310 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:45.200 themes, I want you to focus on the domestic political consequences because people may 311 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.640 forget this. I will never forget it. When I put on a panel 312 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.000 at Berkeley between Steve and Tom Man to predict what would happen in the twenty 313 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:57.279 sixteen election, and Steve was the only person I ever heard going into the 314 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.839 election you said Trump could win, that was a certain party, that he's 315 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.319 really just three points behind. None of the polls were saying that. And 316 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:08.839 you're the only one that I heard put their reputation online predicted that Trump could 317 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.960 win So what do you think is going to happen now, wellge of domestic 318 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:18.359 politics, Yeah, I mean, as of right now, I think Trump 319 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.000 is not only going to win, I think he might win big and and 320 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.799 now things could change between now November. But that's what I think right now. 321 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:29.240 That's the shape of the race, and this decision is going to make 322 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:33.960 it even bigger for Trump. Yes, as Steve likes to put it, 323 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:40.519 Trump's way ahead in Michigan. He's way ahead and getting more ahead all the 324 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:45.519 time. Right now it's one point two percent. But knowing what we know, 325 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.319 I think it was Sean trend from Real Clear Politics, who had a 326 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:56.039 piece the other day that that that that showed that they compared where we are 327 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.640 now state by state, or at least important state by state, with where 328 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:07.799 things were in twenty twenty, and every state where they predicted that that Biden 329 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.400 was going to win by say eight points, I'm going to make one up 330 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.880 because they don't remember the exact details. Michigan say he won by you know, 331 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:22.160 zero point three and over and over again. I mean they have It's 332 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.799 true that Biden won. They predicted that Biden would win in twenty twenty, 333 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.880 but the margins were tiny compared to what the polls were showing. I don't 334 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.319 know if you're going to still have what Remember we talked about this at some 335 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:40.920 lengths Steve long ago that pull that when people are called by pollsters, they 336 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.799 don't necessarily want to admit that they're voting for Trump. Yeah, that seemed 337 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:51.119 to be a factor, even though it wasn't a factor that caused Trump to 338 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.680 win. There are other reasons there, but we'll leave that one alone. 339 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:03.200 The but, but Biden didn't win by anywhere the expectations that the polls created. 340 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.319 And so if you look at the polls right now where he where. 341 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.880 Trump has moved in front of Biden and all of the battleground states, and 342 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:18.519 he's moving up at places like New York. For God's sake, maybe we 343 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.640 will Maybe Steve's right, Maybe it's gonna be a blowout. It's gonna need 344 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.680 to be a blowout so the Democrats don't cheat. John. But anyway, 345 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.200 I knew that was coming in sooner or later. I knew that we should 346 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.640 actually just think we should have a sound effect. One would be that Clackson 347 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.400 alert for neo cons and your near come. But then we got to have 348 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.319 the tinfoil conspiracy alert too. You've got to have two different kinds of alerts. 349 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.200 Anyway, Actually, have you have you paid any attention? Probably not 350 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.480 because it's not in the Wall Street Journal of the New York Times. But 351 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:53.400 there's been a lot of articles lately, John about the what they've actually found 352 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:59.519 out about actual fraudulent voting practices, Lots and lots of articles. I mean, 353 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.279 it's three and a half years later, four years later almost, but 354 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.640 uh, appreciate you're starting to sound like Trump. Did you see him at 355 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:12.000 the end of the last At the end of the I'm just saying, just 356 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.640 a joke. It's just a joke. It's just a joke. He came 357 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.559 out at the end of the trial. He says, there's lots and lots 358 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.720 of articles, lots of scholars saying this is a ridiculous trial. And he 359 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:27.440 took out this huge fistful of print outs and was shaking him see the articles, 360 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.559 see the articles. And then he went through them, start going through 361 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:36.359 them one by one and showing and what became clear is he doesn't read anything 362 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.359 on email or the internet. Everything is printed out for him. He had 363 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.680 this great say Turley, this Turly guy, and he was hoping. Guy 364 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:51.119 the camera, he says, trial sham see see okay, I'm sorry, 365 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.720 I couldn't resist. Oh that was great. No, but seriously, there 366 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.480 have been more and more the whole thing down in Georgia. Have you paid 367 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:03.920 any attention to that, not the not the funny big Fanny Willis stuff, 368 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:10.640 but the actual finding out about how much election mishaps there were, how many 369 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.400 election mishaps there were down in Georgia, and oh gosh, wow, we 370 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.799 didn't know that three hundred thousand votes shouldn't have been counted, and you know 371 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.559 that kind of thing. Anyway, we'll see, we'll see. Uh. 372 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.160 You know what, if Republicans let them let it happen again, Steve, 373 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.359 we deserve to lose, right, Yeah, something to that. Yeah. 374 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.559 Well, I mean, seriously, we know now what some of the things 375 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.319 that they did stole the election, fair and square, as Steve likes to 376 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:41.799 put it, agree or don't agree, We know that that many of the 377 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:48.960 practices that they that they implemented because of COVID et cetera, they'll try to 378 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.160 do again. And if we let them get away with that, it's our 379 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.799 own fault. That's all I'll say on that one. I won't even go 380 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.920 in conspiracy theory. Hat. We'll move on to agree with you fully. 381 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:06.240 I agree with you. So yes. Even while Biden was ruining our policy 382 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.319 towards Israel, the leading candidate, and as Lucretia pointed out, right now, 383 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.440 the candidate ahead in the polls, Donald Trump was stuck in a courtroom 384 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:21.920 all week where he was reduced to only speaking when he was walking into the 385 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.880 courtroom and walking out of the courtroom, and he had to seduce yeah, 386 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.799 and could not speak about the trial itself other than saying the judge was corrupt 387 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:37.319 and had to sit there and listen to two days of testimony from Stormy Daniels. 388 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:45.400 Stormy Daniels described in lurid detail her sexual encounter with Donald Trump, and 389 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.119 this is the first I'd heard her. She actually escalated the story in the 390 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.799 sense that she is now claiming it was non consensual. It was consensual, 391 00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:00.839 but she didn't want to do it. But I mean in some states what 392 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.759 she described would be considered raat right. I mean, it's a so this 393 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.400 was, uh, this is you know, dominated the news this week. 394 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.960 Uh what do you think about this? Uh? Steve was since we know 395 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:19.440 it was just Wan Lucretia, Steve, do you think that this is harmed 396 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.359 Donald Trump. I can talk about the legality stuff if you want, but 397 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.920 let's start politically. Is this hurting Trump? Is it, strangely maybe helping 398 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:30.359 Trump. I mean, as Lucretia point out, during these last few be 399 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.359 his POULT numbers are going up, not down, even though he's on trial 400 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.599 for a felony in New York where one of the star witnesses for the prosecution 401 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.880 just accused him of forcing himself on her and then paying her to keep quiet 402 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.240 about it. Well, so look, I mean, uh, you know, 403 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.240 there's that line, and they're using the stock market that this information is 404 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.839 priced in, and I think that I think one thing this reveals, and 405 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.960 this is not original with me. I think maybe Jonathan Turley or somebody said 406 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.839 it it's or maybe any McCarthy who who's not sympathetic to Trump as a general 407 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.160 matter, say ah, Now, it is clear that the object of this 408 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.240 trial was not just to try and get a conviction, but to humiliate Trump 409 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.559 because an awful lot and even the judge admitted that some of that testimony was 410 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.920 really not relevant to the issue at hand. I think, by the way, 411 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.720 the cross examination. I mean, I just read accounts of it may 412 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.359 have been effective at the very end because the it was one of those Columbo 413 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.720 moments. Oh yeah, one more thing, miss Daniels or whatever. Uh, 414 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.640 what do you know about Trump's business records and how the business records are 415 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.519 handled? She had to say nothing. That's the charge in this case. 416 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.680 It's falsification of business records. So these they're talking about this underlying and I 417 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.519 think an awful lot of people are gonna say, especially once you just hear 418 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.640 she testified, Well, she went to his room. Let's assume it's all 419 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.119 true. I mean, he's denying it whatever, and she may be embellishing, 420 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.119 but she went to his room. Think was gonna happen? Oh I 421 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.680 know that. And then I know I don't want to I don't want to 422 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.519 up, but I want to ask John how to How is she just not 423 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:07.039 on the stand saying she's she's a she's what's the word when you lie on 424 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:13.000 the stand, perjuring? Perjuring yourself. She's signed two pieces of paper that 425 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:20.440 say this didn't happen, And now how does that even work? That's totally 426 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.519 I mean, that's totally so two things. One is uh, the judge 427 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.839 I think made a mistake and laning near testified. All Trump's lawyers I think 428 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.160 they actually moved to have her testimony totally stricken, and they were willing to 429 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.319 say, just tell the jury, you're will, let you tell the jury 430 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.359 that Trump and she had this meeting, right like, we'll concede the facts. 431 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.920 We just don't want the testimony. But the second thing, Lucretia is, 432 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.319 yeah, that's true. Once the judge makes a mistake and lets her 433 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.799 go on and on about this on the stand, then the only thing you 434 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.519 can do is Trump's lawyers have to go out and destroy her credibility, which 435 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.799 they tried to do, and they should be bringing out this point at some 436 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.440 point. You just made, Lucretia, you know, hold this. What 437 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.920 you would do is say, give her the agreement where she signed she said 438 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.319 this didn't happen, and have her read it out loud in court in her 439 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.039 own words. Right, that's that's what How do you would destroy credibility? 440 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.360 They didn't do that. The Trump s lawyers didn't do that. It has 441 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.719 bad lawyers, No, he has pretty good lawyers. But it's a it's 442 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.880 a touchy thing. I mean, right, this is essentially how do you 443 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:29.480 cross examine a rape victim? Is the problem? Well, go Steve, 444 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:30.599 go ahead, Yeah, I mean, I you know, I don't know. 445 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.079 I think an off lud. I've said this before. I'll just say 446 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.280 it again. Once we crossed the bar in the nineteen nineties that we don't 447 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.519 care about politicians' personal lives. In the case of Bill Clinton, I think 448 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.880 that still holds now. I don't like it helps Trump at all, but 449 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.159 I think, yeah, well, I mean, does anybody remember the e 450 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.360 Gene Carroll trial at this point not really doesn't seem to right, and uh 451 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.760 and so and now Michael Cohen will come to the stand, and boy does 452 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.599 he have all kinds of credibility problems. Again, other people pointed out, 453 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.719 maybe it was you the other day when you were on the What the Hell's 454 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:07.679 going On? Podcast? Is no one would bring this case against anybody else 455 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:12.320 because the evidence of the witnesses and the legal charges are so effective. Right, 456 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.840 so, but this is the only case a couple of comments, quick, 457 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.960 this is the only case left that could actually convict Trump before the election, 458 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.679 Right there, Georgia, something's happening that I don't know about. He's 459 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:32.239 not actually some fat let me get us some context. So the classified documents 460 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:37.800 case definitely not getting to trial there, definitely, Yeah, and the Lucretian 461 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.599 and I knew this right, because how do you produce classified information in a 462 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.639 trial? Right, you have to do a document by top, page by 463 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.920 page. It would have been taken for it, so that she actually lifted 464 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.599 her trial date. The Georgia one, the appeals courting Georgia said it will 465 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.000 review whether Fanny Willis has to be removed. So that's going to take time, 466 00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.719 and if she does get removed, then that case is over because whoever 467 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.000 they transfer that case to is going to drop it. And then so the 468 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.880 only one that has wiggle room is a January sixth trial because we're waiting for 469 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.400 the Supreme Court to give us the word on the immunity decision issue. If 470 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.840 the immunity issue comes down, if I were Jack Smith and I really wanted 471 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.960 to get it to trial, I would just not try him for anything that. 472 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.360 I would just say, Okay, I'll concede he has immunity, and 473 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.320 I'm going to try him for things which are not official acts. And maybe 474 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.320 so that could squeak in under the wire. I think it's unlikely because Jack 475 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.199 Smith has really screwed everything up today. So I think Lucretia's right. Of 476 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.119 the four trials, Trump is lucky, the worst, the weakest one is 477 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.719 the only one that might yield a verdict. So let me say first about 478 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.280 the whole Stormy Daniels thing. The best thing I saw on probably it was 479 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:52.559 Twitter, is that do you really expect people who are thinking about this seriously 480 00:36:52.719 --> 00:37:00.519 to look at Trump, who who allegedly had relations with a grown woman with 481 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.079 a very large chest, or a guy who showered and didn't god only knows 482 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.039 what with his own daughter, right? I mean, come on it, 483 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.679 do people Steve's right when he says, we really don't get upset about those 484 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.400 things as much anymore. And I have to admit that watching Hillary Clinton trying 485 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:24.599 to make some hay out of this whole situation with Trump, the bimbo eruptions 486 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:28.440 and all, you know, I mean, anybody that remembers any of that 487 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.639 stuff has to look at that old hag and think, just shut the hell 488 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.800 up? Would you? Come on? Right? Let me make one point 489 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:43.559 is that the people who created this whole pay money for non disclosure agreements to 490 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.559 people alleging they had sex with former presidents was Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton? 491 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.239 Right, they invent right, did this whole move. And if you go 492 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.639 back and look at all those people, and they're probably others we don't even 493 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.159 still know about who are paid off, right, they're just as bad as 494 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.679 worse as what happened with Stormy Daniels. Yeah, I mean, but yeah, 495 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.039 I mean, be crass about it. Okay, Let's Trump bangs a 496 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:13.920 porn star. Okay, that's embarrassing. Biden sniff's a little girls. Well 497 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.280 okay, but but but look, I mean, I think the average person 498 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:20.679 looks at the way Biden behaves and says, well, maybe he's maybe he's 499 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.239 not literally a pedophile, but there's something deeply weird about the guy. There's 500 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:30.760 nothing weird about Trump. This is I mean, okay, it's especially rich, 501 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:43.320 right, yeah, but you know, god, I know. Okay, 502 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:50.119 So but the problem John that we're talking about this and not necessarily about 503 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.920 how I can't even call it a weak case. It's there's no case at 504 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:59.880 all. Yes, and this really is, this really is just in a 505 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:04.119 tempt to keep Trump off the campaign trail. The good news about that is, 506 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:06.599 as Steve was pointing out, I think it's backfiring. A bit. 507 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.159 I mean, who's we're not talking about Biden? And I know that that's 508 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.920 part of their strategy, is not to be talking about Biden. But at 509 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:21.760 some point any press is good press, right, And you know, so 510 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:28.800 Trump gets out of the courtroom and he's speaking in Ohio today and literally tens 511 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:35.440 of thousands of people were camped out in the fifty degree weather overnight for a 512 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:40.199 campaign rally that's taking place at five o'clock today in Ohio. They've been out 513 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.639 there for more than twenty four hours waiting to get into Trump's campaign event. 514 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:53.239 And Biden can't fill up a high school gymnasium. Let me let me amplify 515 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.239 that point and put it to Steve, and then we'll move on to the 516 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.840 next topic, which is is this stream helping Trump in disrespect? He only 517 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:06.519 speaks when he walks into the courtroom, and he comes out of the courtroom 518 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:12.199 every time he does carried live on every network simultaneously. Right, he attacks 519 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.039 to judge a little bit, but he spends most of the time attacking Biden, 520 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:17.599 and then he has to go in there and he's quiet the rest of 521 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.079 the day, which means he can't say something really stupid. You can't. 522 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:28.920 It's almost like he's really it's actually likes carefully managed the focus to stick to 523 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.039 message and so cause he's not, you know, they're not saying, oh, 524 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.440 Trump just said this, can you believe it? Trump just said that. 525 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.400 Instead, it's turning the focus onto the incumbent, which is isn't this 526 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.280 what you want the election to be about, is about how bad a job 527 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.880 Joe Biden is doing, not what crazy thing did Donald Trump just say? 528 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.039 Yeah. I mean, you know our pal Victor Davis Hansen talked about how 529 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.280 back in twenty sixteen and in between, you know, he talked to these 530 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.920 Hispanic farm workers out in the valley that he deals with and interacts with a 531 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.119 lot, and they love Trump. Why do you like Trump? He's a 532 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.239 leader? Point is that. Never mind what he says, but the fact 533 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.320 is he comes out every day. What is clear is that reinforces the image 534 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.480 for a lot of people. This guy can't be rolled, This guy can't 535 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:14.880 be turned or intimidated. He is a strong, tough guy and people like 536 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:16.760 that. And I think that's uh so, yeah, I mean you maybe 537 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.079 can speculate that, well, he's not gonna say, you know, blood 538 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.480 bath or some of these things that sometimes get spun out of control by the 539 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:30.000 media. But I think that he is absolutely mastering the scene. I mean, 540 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.400 it's it's not quite as Nelson Nelson Mandel act, but it's he's you 541 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.920 know, it's I'm making him look like a stronger person. So I want 542 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.039 to ask the legal questions before you move on, John, I don't understand 543 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.000 how the judge is getting away with this. How I mean, gag orders 544 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.320 are not against the defendant. Defendants get to say anything they want. We've 545 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.760 seen defendants in you know, some of those crazy, kooky people that are 546 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.119 you know, serial killers that defend themselves in quarter whatever. I mean, 547 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:09.000 the protections of the constitution are there to protect the criminal defendant and the court 548 00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:15.079 and the courts, the judge's slimy daughter, and the slimy judge himself, 549 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:17.639 and the slimy prosecutors that have been brought in. All of those people. 550 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:23.519 They don't deserve protection under our constitution. They're the enemy under our constitution. 551 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:28.840 They're the tyrannical government. Our constitution is supposed to protect us. Again, 552 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:34.039 So how does a judge even get away with this stupid gag order? And 553 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.440 now you know, the stupid people on What was it the view or one 554 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.880 of those dumb things. No, I guess it was and Andrea Mitchell. 555 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:45.719 How what you know? Why can people that support Trump to speak up when 556 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.639 Trump isn't allowed to Why doesn't the judge put a gag order against them too? 557 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.440 I mean, these people more morons, like I don't even know what 558 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.119 to do. My head wants to explode. Sorry, So no, no, 559 00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.880 no, So this is a very interesting and difficult actually institutional problem. 560 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.320 But we do allow judges to place gag orders when the speech of the defendant 561 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.559 outside. I have never agreed with this, but this is what the courts 562 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:15.719 have said when the speech outside the of the defendant outside the courtrooms are meant 563 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.159 to interfere with the working of the trial. So if you so the typical 564 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:22.960 and this is what this is why this judge is totally out of his depth. 565 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:28.039 What he's doing is using the playbook you use on a mafia don right. 566 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.840 So if a mafia dons and the defendant and he's like it really intimate, 567 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.440 you know, comes out and said about a witness, gosh, I 568 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.119 wouldn't want to be his family or something like that. You don't want the 569 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:42.679 defendant engaging and actual threats to intimidate the witness. But LUCRESI, you're completely 570 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.679 right, is applied to this the facts of this case, that makes no 571 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.960 sense, right because all those witnesses are out there attacking Trump every day. 572 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.639 You know they're making money off him. Right. That must drive Trump even 573 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.400 more crazy that they're making money off attacking Trump while you can't say anything back. 574 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.920 Uh. And then the second dimension, as you say, the point 575 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.480 of the free speech clause is for us to engage in political speech to elect 576 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.960 people to office and discuss policy. So he's not a mafia don, He's 577 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:15.000 just candidate Don and candidate Donald Trump has to be able to speak right in 578 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.840 public. And so I think I actually think this is a case of first 579 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.199 impression because we've never had a president prosecutor before. But I would think the 580 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:28.199 Supreme Court would actually reverse this gag order, but on appeal. So I 581 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.880 actually admired this part of Donna Yees. The problem is on appeal, so 582 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:36.360 it was remarkable. But I think Trump's so he's so you know, clever. 583 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.679 He wants the judge to throw him in jail for violating the gag order 584 00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:45.960 and then he can say I am in jail for the First Amendment. It's 585 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.039 like, I mean, it's going to be like Martin Luther King. I 586 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:52.239 would never compare them to otherwise, but right, Martin Luther King notes from 587 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:58.039 a Birmingham jail because he's in jail for violating unjust laws. And Trump could 588 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.440 say notes from wrikers, yep, and so indeed, you know, I'm 589 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:05.880 in jail because of an unconstitutional gag order, and he would be right. 590 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:13.440 Yeah. Do you think that the judge, Manhattan judge is in so much 591 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:19.800 of a bubble that he believes a that even if this is a little bit 592 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.599 sketchy about whether or not it'd be constitutional. I am. You know that 593 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:32.000 my Manhattan cocktail party friends all the way to the view ladies fantasizing about Donald 594 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:38.119 Trump being sent to rikers. You know, it's is it possible that these 595 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:44.800 people really are so deluded in their bubble that they think this is a good 596 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:49.519 thing. It's hard for me to imagine Steve's shaking his head. Yes, 597 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.079 well, I mean, let their fantasy has been to see Trump in an 598 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:57.400 orange jumpsuit to match the orange hair, right, And you know they're so 599 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.280 single minded about that that they can't think straight no, I mean I think 600 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.719 this is a Judge without judgment. I mean maybe there's our podcast episode title. 601 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.559 I don't know, but yeah, I mean, look, this is 602 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.559 not new. I mean you go through the there's lots of well, the 603 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.360 most famous expression, of course, goes back to nineteen seventy two, with 604 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.199 Pauline Kal saying, I don't see how Nixon could have won. I don't 605 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.880 know anybody who voted for him. That's the most perfect encapsulation of the Manhattan, 606 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.079 especially Upper West Side viewpoint. And you know, you talk to anybody 607 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:30.039 who's sort of a closet conservative in Manhattan about how dinner parties happen in New 608 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.039 York, and it's just impossible to concede that anybody could think or that anybody 609 00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.519 outside their very narrow viewpoint could possibly have any merit on their side. So 610 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:44.559 yeah, I think it's entirely possible that the judge is in a very tight 611 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:50.760 bubble. Okay, let's move on to a last, equally large topic. 612 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.159 I mean, any of these topics we're coming today could be an entire show 613 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.880 all by themselves. But let's turn to the college protests. You know, 614 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:05.440 we're all seeing them are else up front close and personal. I would say 615 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.360 factually, the protests are escalating, they are spreading. They've even made it 616 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.679 to England. I don't know if you guys saw the story I sent you. 617 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.639 They're even having encampments at Oxford and Cambridge. I wonder whether when you 618 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.880 get the tent at Oxford they have a little space for the butler you bring 619 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:25.400 from the family of state with you while you're in there to serve you your 620 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.280 tea at three pm every day, with the little cucumber sandwiches and so on. 621 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.519 So they're spreading wider, or you're seeing them go to more campuses. 622 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:40.400 You're seeing other universities now canceling graduations, as Steve said at Berkeley Law, 623 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:45.960 apparently you saw the disruption of graduation already. I think you're seeing differences to 624 00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:51.400 diversity the good kind, whereas I think Texas and Florida are not having the 625 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.519 same kind of problems you're seeing at the schools in California and New York. 626 00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:01.599 So you see that. I think that's actually so let's talk about one the 627 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:08.280 responses. What do you think is the right response the wrong response some of 628 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:13.079 the things that have happened, And just as ress, there's a bill now 629 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.320 in Congress that cut off funds of the kind that we were talking about last 630 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.639 weekend and cut off federal funds to campuses that are not protecting Jewish students. 631 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:27.679 The president of Cornell just resigned. You've seen there's another wonderful sorry about how 632 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.960 the labor union representing the janitors at Columbia are now suing Columbia because some of 633 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.480 the protesters tried to take two janitor's hostage during their takeover Hamilton Hall. It's 634 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.119 it's hard to know where to stop. I mean, this is spreading and 635 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.840 it's metastasizing all kinds of different directions. But maybe we could just start with 636 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:52.760 actually Lucretia, where Lucretia woke up to the smell of tear gas in the 637 00:48:52.880 --> 00:49:00.559 morning, just like Robert Duvall in Apocalypse. Now with Nia, maybe the 638 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:07.639 actually and they used something called pepper bullets. Do you know what those are? 639 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:12.239 No? I have no idea, but they sound good. Yeah, 640 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.119 they sound good. Yeah. Maybe you should tell us your field, which 641 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.880 school has done the best job, which school has done the worst job? 642 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.079 What's the right thing? I think University of Florida is probably the best. 643 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.840 And why Well, because you know, I think we talked about it briefly 644 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:36.320 last time too. Ben Sasse's UH communications person, a spokesperson came out and 645 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.679 said, this is not a daycare. This is not a daycare. We 646 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.320 told them this is what would happen if you do X, Y and Z. 647 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.199 We believe in free speech, we allow free speech, but if you 648 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.039 break university policies, if you do X, Y and Z, you will 649 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:52.119 be arrested. And they arrested them, and you know, they're all crying 650 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:58.639 and wanting amnesty because they got arrested, and well, I think what we've 651 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:04.480 seen every single time is that when you stand up to these people, it 652 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:09.760 makes a difference. Now, at my university, they had two separate incidents. 653 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.840 They had one a week ago they shut it down with tear gas and 654 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.280 rubber bullets. They had one two nights ago which they shut down with tear 655 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.440 gas and pepper bullets. Whatever that cool thing is, I'm gonna have to 656 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:27.360 find out. So high velocity, high velocity jalapeno. There we go. 657 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:37.000 And of course the faculty from the Humanities department and the School of Social Behavioral 658 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:43.880 Sciences came out and you know, decried the the violence used against students and 659 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:49.719 all this other. But the right thing to do is to stop it, 660 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:55.119 and stop it immediately, stop it before anything gets going saying you have a 661 00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:59.760 right to talk. You can talk all you want, but you start bringing 662 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:04.800 in contraptions and tents and all those other things. This is not your place 663 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.480 to go camping. If you want to go camping, go rent a place 664 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.519 at a campground. Right. You just need to stop it before it starts. 665 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.880 And I here's the real point. We haven't even brought up before. 666 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:20.480 I know, we're all aware of it. This is not some grassroots thing. 667 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.639 This is a combination of a lot of money being spent by certain groups 668 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:34.199 to organize this with outside professional protesters and then taking advantage of again the let 669 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.199 me see if I can get this right. What are they called fatties for 670 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:47.079 a free Palestine? She's not making it up? Well, okay, it's 671 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:55.679 for real. It's overwhelmingly white mentally wheat. I don't know what else to 672 00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.400 call them. They're pathetic, these people that have to have their safes faces 673 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.920 and so on, with their cafes and their their masks on out there screaming. 674 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.400 They've been told that you know, to do this by their gender studies 675 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:15.639 professor, And so between the money that's going into this and organizing it and 676 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:22.239 then the the right for the taking moron, female, pathetic. H I 677 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.119 don't know, there's not enough adjectives for me to describe these women. Oh 678 00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:31.079 God, they're just their foul. But that this, that's where most of 679 00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.880 it's coming from. You know, you're not seeing the frat boys out there. 680 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.880 They're out there defending the flag. God bless them, right, and 681 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.760 and they're getting a lot of a lot of support. Now, there was 682 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:53.159 the guy in Mississippi who, speaking of overweight, he started making King Kong 683 00:52:53.320 --> 00:53:00.760 noises at this very large black woman with nappy hair. I don't know how 684 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:02.840 else to describe it, and he started making fun of her, making King 685 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.440 Kong noises, and some of the other frat boys were calling her Lizzo, 686 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.719 which I thought was supposed to be Lizo. Was beautiful, so therefore that 687 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:14.679 would be a compliment, But instead he got kicked out of the fraternity by 688 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:19.119 the national fraternity and they've got a civil rights investigation against him. I mean, 689 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:23.679 they're really trying to make sure that these counter protesters don't gain any ground, 690 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:27.920 but it's not going to work. So that's my thought on that steep. 691 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.079 Yeah, so I think I mean, first of all, we saw 692 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.239 Black Lives Matter protests spread to Europe back in twenty twenty, even though they 693 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.679 don't have the kind of racial history that the aket does. But I think 694 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.719 the two most significant things of the week were not that you've got tense cities 695 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:49.880 at Oxford and Cambridge. But first of all, well, let me put 696 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.400 it this way. Suppose you're one of these just stop oil climate action protesters 697 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.760 and you get up in the morning and you're going to go block the road 698 00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:59.239 to O'Hare Airport, and you show up only to find that the pro homoau 699 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.360 people are already there and in bigger numbers. Right, But there's a broader 700 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:06.679 point there, which is this is pushing Black Lives Matter and some of the 701 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:10.599 other premier issues like climate off the front page. Yeah, there we are. 702 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.400 Listeners won't see this, but I'll put the picture in the show notes 703 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.599 of Fatties for a Free Palestine. Okay, I know, send me that 704 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:21.800 picture, Lucretia. So two things happened this week. One you may have 705 00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:25.239 caught it. So there's the the Eurovision Song Contest, which showed lampoon wonderfully 706 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:30.280 by that Will Ferrell mover about the story of fire Saga. And there's an 707 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:35.239 Israeli intrigue and there is a huge demonstration and was it Malmo, Sweden where 708 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.599 the competition goes down and and you know the the Israeli singers had to be 709 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:45.639 confined to the hotel with heavy security. Oh who shows up at that protest 710 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:51.599 Greta Thunberg wearing her cafea you know, uh, showing that you're trying to 711 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.800 merge these issues together. But I think it's not working. And one proof 712 00:54:54.840 --> 00:55:01.119 of this is around Wednesday of the week black Lives Matter sued the Tides Foundation, 713 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.679 claiming that thirty million dollars that should have gone to Black Lives Matter is 714 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.480 going to Students for Justice in Palestine instead. So this is pushing the other 715 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:14.679 left wing causes off the front page and the front burner, and it's making 716 00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.000 them mad, and so they're fighting with each other. And that's when you 717 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:22.440 step back and say, let's pop some popcorn with some of those pepper bullets. 718 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:29.159 My response to the Black Lives Matter thing, Steve was corrupt racist grifters 719 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:35.039 eat their own Yeah, well right, yeah, which you're in the popcorn 720 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:40.400 let them do it. It's your point that this is just opportunism, that 721 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:46.719 the Gaza war is just being used by the regular collection of cultural Marxists. 722 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:52.880 Of course, we're highly concentrated on campuses just to cause trouble, and they 723 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.000 don't really care about what's happening in Gaza. What they're using. They're just 724 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.679 using this as an opportunity to press for on their you know, intersectional agenda. 725 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:06.320 This is this goes back to, you know, one of the sensible 726 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:10.559 or revelatory things that what's his name, the you know, the Salolenski said 727 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.519 years ago, the issue is not the issue. The issues the revolution. 728 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:17.679 And you know, clearly what administrations have been hoping is, gosh, these 729 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.679 protests are happening in April now early May. School's about to the out of 730 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.199 the summer, and if we just can muddel our way through, things will 731 00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:30.360 calm down. I don't think so. This reminds me and I'm actually going 732 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.280 back and reading some of the old Berkeley professors from the free speech movement sixty 733 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.800 four, like Nat Glazer and John Searle and you know, some of the 734 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:43.480 other professors who said, wait a minute, this, this is not over. 735 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.320 This has released a wave of energy. And that's what the protest left 736 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:51.079 wants is if you can reach a critical mass of people who are worked up 737 00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.360 about something, you know, mix in some of your money and professional protesters, 738 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.719 appeal to the naive students, just get a wave of energy going. 739 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.079 It's going to keep going. And I think, depending on what happens also 740 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.000 in the war, I think it's going to spring back to life in the 741 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:09.360 fall. And then of course the Democratic Convention this summer. We'll see how 742 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:12.599 that goes. But I think this is now with us for a while. 743 00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:17.840 And so anyway, expectation to the little just side tangents about the story, 744 00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:22.079 and then we can turn to Steve's article. Oh, because we're ending about 745 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.239 this about this issue, because we're ending each episode with an article. Is 746 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:31.599 one little tidbit is that a bunch of federal judges have now declared they will 747 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:37.079 hire no one who goes to Columbia at all college or law school starting I 748 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:40.719 guess in a year. It's the same judges who said they would not hire 749 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:46.800 from Yaler Stanford after they both law schools allowed conservative speakers to be shouted down 750 00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:51.320 and attacked. So that's a new development. And then the other one is 751 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.920 I'm curious what you both think since we're in the demographic. I initially read 752 00:57:54.920 --> 00:58:02.000 the headlines of college professor hired A arrested. College professors are now showing up 753 00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.119 and standing trying to stand in between the police and protesters, and are being 754 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:12.400 arrested and claiming police brutality. Now, when I first saw the headline, 755 00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.280 I thought Lucretia had been arrested to try to stop or from getting at the 756 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:22.719 student protesters. But in fact, our colleagues are actually putting their bodies on 757 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:27.320 the line right standing in front of the students to try to block police from 758 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.840 reaching them to move them. Aside, I think our colleagues is a little 759 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:37.519 bit offensive, by the way, But I don't consider those people, of 760 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.360 course. I mean, this is their whole life. They have no they 761 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:49.480 have no genuine intellectual bona fides. They have this whole Marxist however you want 762 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:54.719 to call it, oppression ideology is all they have. And so they've got 763 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:58.880 to stand in front of these students. Most of the time. They're not 764 00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.239 quite as brave as they just write their stupid letters, you know, and 765 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:08.199 publish them and make us read them. And but of course we saw the 766 00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:13.880 same thing happen by the way back in with the George Floyd's stuff. Remember 767 00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:20.480 that god awful thing from wasn't it Missouri who said we need some muscle out 768 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.599 here? The problem is, again, there's not that much muscle. They're 769 00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.679 mostly these if there are any men at all, they're effeminate, and they 770 00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.480 weigh ninety five pounds, soaking wet, and they couldn't lift a sign much 771 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.639 less, you know, bring some muscle. Sorry, I just I really 772 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.199 do like these stereotypes. They make it so much more fun to discuss, 773 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:43.800 so I'm gonna go with them. But yeah, you know, most of 774 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.880 the prophesauria these days, John, Well, you know, you're fortunate. 775 00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.119 Unfortunate, Steve is fortunate that we actually know people who aren't those people. 776 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.840 We know faculty who are decent human beings who care about the pursuit of truth, 777 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:01.039 and they're not there to propagandize their city. But that's not that's not 778 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:07.519 the majority of faculty anymore at most colleges. You need to understand that that's 779 01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.360 just the way it is. And the few that aren't outspoken, like the 780 01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:15.840 three of us and some of our good friends are, if they are conservative, 781 01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:19.320 they keep it mostly to themselves. I got the impression actually that they 782 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.960 were very excited to relive their youth. But it's not the same when you're 783 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:31.079 rushing to the protest line and a walker and artificial well that was woman badly 784 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:36.679 members smacked a cop. Yes, it was upset because she got arrested for 785 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:40.800 it. Yeah, I'm a professor and someone's a tenured or adjunct. Yeah, 786 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.840 well, let's let's take this opportunity to move to you know, this 787 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.920 show just flows like water because the article of the week is actually Steve's latest 788 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.559 contribution to City Journal, which I assume he will post in this notes. 789 01:00:53.639 --> 01:01:00.199 That's an article for discussion, which is an examination of comparing today tonight teen 790 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:04.800 sixty eight. You've seen a lot of I think Democrats are worried that this 791 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.880 is going to turn into nineteen sixty eight. With the at the Democrat National 792 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:13.800 Convention. They conveniently located it in the same city so that the elderly protesters 793 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:15.960 can find their way back to the exact same spot where they were beaten by 794 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:22.360 the police, right by Mayor Daily's plice. So you've got the same combustible 795 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:27.760 situation. You got a Democrat national Convention. You've got a president who's faltering 796 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:31.840 under anti war protests, you have college campuses everywhere in chaos, have a 797 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:37.039 mayor daily that's right, So Steve, that's going to make a difference. 798 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:40.840 Steve, present your argument and let Lucretia tear it apart. Your argument is 799 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.599 that it's like sixty eight, but it's like sixty eight, but in some 800 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:50.760 ways worse than sixty eight. He was saying, I kept asking Steve to 801 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.000 make those analogies for us. It was like the only time I gave him 802 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:59.039 permission, and he wouldn't do it. But now I well ahead, Steve, 803 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.599 defend yourself. I mean, we know, and strategy is a preemptive 804 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.719 attack, but go ahead. See yeah, well there, I mean are 805 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.639 two things. At least one is my point was that the left has once 806 01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:13.360 again turned to president. Now they're not going to drive Biden from the nomination. 807 01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:16.840 Something else might His sinility will become so obvious. But they drove Johnson 808 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:22.159 out of the race and made Johnson abandon his Vietnam War policy. And that's 809 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:24.480 the last thing, is what's happened now with Biden. They've driven him out 810 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:30.360 of his previous ironclad commitment Israel. Now the protest thing is, you know, 811 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.559 things have changed since sixty eight. There's much better convention security. There'll 812 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.199 be a wider perimeter, they're better the police are probably better trained and tactics 813 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:43.239 to handle it. Governor Pritsker might call out the National Guard. Well, 814 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.119 I think there's some yet you're raising your hand. I mean, it's possible 815 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:50.599 the Chicago police won't cooperate. That's a subtext. But the other thing is 816 01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.880 the major media, because they're in the bag, will want to say mostly 817 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:58.880 peaceful protests like they did with Black Lives Matter. The problem is we now 818 01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.960 live in the age of social media. So if the protesters can gin up 819 01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:07.159 some spectacular scenes of violence, if they set fire to some things, that's 820 01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.119 going to be all over social media, and they'll go around the mainstream media 821 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:14.280 that will try and sugarcoat it. So that's what I'm looking for. I 822 01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:17.480 mean, you know, the sixty eight protests were sort of put together hastily 823 01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.199 by the yippies, and it was easy for them to get a crowd up. 824 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:27.400 And now there have been meetings going on for weeks or longer trying to 825 01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:31.440 plan a protest. So I think, let me finish well, I think 826 01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:36.119 there's a chess game going on here with both sides trying to figure out how 827 01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:37.320 to game this out. And I don't know how it's going to turn out, 828 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:39.840 but I could still see it being quite a disaster. And I've got 829 01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:44.320 my popcorn ready. Sorry, Lucretia, I tell you is I read this 830 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:49.719 morning before we got on this that they've already decided to move big portions of 831 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.880 it to online. The convention Yeah. Really, well, but see that 832 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:59.360 won't that mean? But people forget that at the Big the Big Francas in 833 01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.320 sixty eight was actually quite a ways away from the convention hall. It was 834 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.679 out there in Grant Park, you know, near the lake. So it 835 01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:09.079 actually doesn't matter if they're you know, on scene the convention hall, which 836 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:12.599 will be cordoned off at quite a distance. All they want is a spectacle. 837 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.400 And you know that that that Grant Park area or whatever it is there 838 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.000 in Chicago, that is an ideal place to put on a protest spectacle. 839 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:27.320 Yes, okay, Lucretia, I don't I actually didn't disagree with anything other 840 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:30.960 than the one. The other article we didn't have time to get to was 841 01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.559 one that that Steve sent us to read and I didn't think it was. 842 01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:39.840 I thought it was I thought it was impenetrable because of the pretentious language in 843 01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:46.719 it. Was the one about Biden's testimony to her where he where Actually the 844 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:53.599 important thing about it was he claimed that he was right. It's it's too 845 01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:57.360 complicated to get into now we're out of time. But basically he was right 846 01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:02.239 about the whole surge thing when he was vice pre and how he almost almost 847 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:11.119 resigned signed his vice presidency because the Obama went along with the military industrial complex, 848 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:15.480 people represented in that cabinet, war room and so on. The one 849 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:19.360 thing I would have not disagreed with, but maybe challenged you a little bit 850 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:23.239 about. And I can't believe I'm going to say this, but you know, 851 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:28.519 in hindsight, that may have been the one thing that Biden was right 852 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:32.239 about. Well, except that Biden's answer was to have half the number of 853 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:35.880 troops, not to not do it at all. Well see my point about 854 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:39.800 why there's an article in the American Conservative. I'll link to it. Well, 855 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.679 I thought it was interesting was all the attention in the her report was 856 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:46.639 about his senility, and we missed the point that he made clear that Biden 857 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:56.079 has always been this weak, Dubvish person. And I thought that's an interesting 858 01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:58.320 point. I mean, in other words, there's never was any there there. 859 01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:00.639 All this guy's tough talk when he's made it in the years past was 860 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.920 all a lie. And this goes back to the seventies and you can chet 861 01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:11.119 And I thought that was an interesting revelation about the merits of the Afghanistan insurgeon 862 01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:14.960 all the rest of that, I mean, that's arguable matter. But the 863 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.199 fact that Biden is such an outlier even in his own party, I think 864 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:23.840 was the revelation of her report that everyone skipped over because the civility stuff was 865 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:30.000 just too irresistible. Part of it is also you want to glean from it 866 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.440 what's most important, which is, yes, he may be screwing things up, 867 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:36.119 but the most important thing is we have to decide whether to re elect 868 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:41.039 the guy. But yes, I mean I wasn't actually surprised by that point. 869 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:45.280 Remember, Biden is so old and had been in office so long that 870 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.400 he actually is one of the senators who vote Senators to vote to cut off 871 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:53.159 South Vietnam correct nineteen seventy five. So I mean he started his whole career 872 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:59.119 as an anti war Democrat. His very first votes were to commit a grave 873 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:02.800 foreign policy the error that took us decades to live down in reverse, which 874 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:08.239 was selling out Vietnam. After things, it's actually stabilized, and he's just 875 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:13.599 this is just more of the same. So let's finish by going to Babylon 876 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:17.119 BE headlines, and before we get to Lucretia's, my favorite Babylon B headline 877 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:23.559 this week was parasite eats RFK. Oh No, wait, actually that's a 878 01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:30.360 real headline. Our story out this week, which I actually thought was a 879 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:38.280 Babylon B slash onion headline that RFK Junior has a brain parasite that's still in 880 01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:41.639 there eating parts of his brain. And the first thing I thought of was, 881 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.400 well, has this been the one? Did he catch it from Biden? 882 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:47.599 So it was in Biden's brain first, but found nothing worth eating, 883 01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:53.519 so had to jump to another host and is now an rfk's bring what is 884 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.079 the story with Well, Lucresian, what is this story with this? You're 885 01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:59.880 the RFK fan on the podcast. I mean, is it the less brain 886 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.159 matter makes for a better president. What's your explaination for? Well, you 887 01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:06.000 know, here's the thing. If we so you can look at actually two 888 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:12.760 different politicians here. One is RFK, and after the story about his brain 889 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:18.720 worm came out, he gave some interview wherein he said he supported abortion until 890 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:24.800 up until the moment of birth. And I think, I actually think that 891 01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:31.159 those two things have probably killed his candidacy, because I really do, because 892 01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:40.079 the only well at least it's it's killed whatever hope he had of taking votes 893 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:46.039 away from Trump, because you know, come on, Trump voters may some 894 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:53.600 of them may may not be avid pro life people, but they're not gonna 895 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.279 so anyway, I think that's destroyed him. Let me go. If so 896 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:03.479 he had a brain worm. John Fetterman had a stroke. I haven't disagreed 897 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:09.720 with anything that guy's posted on Twitter now in two months. I like everything 898 01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:13.640 he puts on Twitter. It's not just his support for Israel, it's also 899 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.840 his attitude about immigration borders. What the heck? I mean. I think 900 01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.720 the best thing to do would be to have every Democrat have a stroke, 901 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.199 not a brainworm, because obviously a brain worm does a wrong thing to you, 902 01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:28.600 but the stroke does the right thing. That's that's my take on the 903 01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.239 whole thing. Well, my original observation, I think originally with the observation 904 01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:35.680 on Kennedy's brainworm is that I always thought that Kennedy's preferred a whiskey over tequila, 905 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:41.119 but apparently not. So that leads me to my first. My first 906 01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:45.760 Babylon b RFK Junior says he supports a mother's right to drown her newborn at 907 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:57.439 chap equittic oh or worm disgusted to find itself in a politician's right. I 908 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:01.000 like, all right, so let's go onto some some stormy. This one's 909 01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:09.840 my favorite, actually encapsulates everything Trump assures jury Stormy Daniels was way hotter back 910 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:21.920 then. You know that one's not even John. You know that true Biden 911 01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:28.520 strikes deal where Hamas gets to keep American hostages in exchange for fifteen votes in 912 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:35.600 Michigan. Yeah, that's too great. Sometimes they're not even funny. Police, 913 01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:43.439 You like this one, John Police storm Columbia University after report protester questioned 914 01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:53.520 integrity of twenty twenty election because because you are in Texas, John, Texas 915 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:59.119 criminalizes wearing a cowboy hat in a prius. Oh yes, I think that 916 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:05.560 is a violent a law down here and should be and should be so I 917 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:11.399 always I'll tell myself to lead us out, so always drink your whiskey. 918 01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:17.760 Need Let's go Brandon and Steve God save the Queen Man. Pause. See 919 01:11:17.760 --> 01:12:45.359 you guys next week. Bye. Ricochet joined the conversation