WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:05.599 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:09.759 the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. 3 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:19.640 As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something crawling around 4 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:28.359 out here? Does a legend walk among us working in the forests of our 5 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:35.000 world? Did you see what it was? Was it a person or an 6 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:38.079 animal? Or I can't go. All I know is that my vener light 7 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.399 came on and I did that with the glen and see this thing running across 8 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:44.759 the yard. A good fight man or nothing works like a man. I 9 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:53.880 don't know what it was. For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, 10 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:59.759 researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the 11 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:10.000 distance of this mysterious entity. Jesus Que, Carol, Hello, get somebody 12 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:14.560 out here. What's going announce their invective about six foot? I don't know, 13 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:19.159 easy announce there, Yes, I'm walking right away. Oh okay, 14 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.239 hand on her yarn? Yeah, got you're big? Okay, what's he 15 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:34.799 doing in your yard? We're gonna move. You join us as we continue 16 00:01:34.840 --> 00:02:00.799 into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. Well, good evening, everybody. 17 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:07.280 Welcome to Sasquatch Experience for Monday. What is this March twenty fifth, twenty 18 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.639 twenty four. Guys. We've had a lot go on today behind the scenes 19 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.800 to put this show together. I mean, we put a lot into tonight's 20 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:19.479 show and hopefully it goes as smooth as it was supposed to. Matt unfortunately 21 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.879 got called into duty tonight, so we lost Matt this evening. He was 22 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.479 really looking forward to the show. So we send our apologies and matp be 23 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:29.360 safe out there, my friend. He's out there on a call as he 24 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.360 is a law enforcement officer, so we always wish him the best, and 25 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:37.360 particularly tonight as he's got a difficult assignment ahead of him. And then Henry 26 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:42.280 May is being ravaged down south by some severe weather and he couldn't keep a 27 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:46.719 connection if his life depended on it. Therefore, we lost Henry tonight as 28 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.599 well. So it's just the three of us, the three Amigos, the 29 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:54.719 three Stooges, the three and apparently tonight's also a musical. What the hell? 30 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.360 So there you are, guys. Tonight is a really, really a 31 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:06.039 special show. For me because this is a person w D forty, that 32 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:10.400 frickin chairman for the love of christ one the chair. Yeah, that's awful, 33 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.240 that's awful. Anyhow, this show titled Simply Freeman about Paul Freeman Paul 34 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:21.360 Freeman's footage, and this is where I was hoping Henry was here tonight because 35 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.719 Henry has been around the mill probably along the same time as Paul Freeman, 36 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.039 and had a lot more insight. So hopefully as the weather clears up, 37 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:31.159 he may join us. But where we're at is what it is. But 38 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:36.520 years ago, maz Adams and I interviewed Michael Freeman, who's the son of 39 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.000 Paul Freeman, the gentleman we're talking about tonight, for an episode of our 40 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:44.280 podcast at the time called The Nocturnal Journal, and it was a real intimate 41 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:49.000 look into the life of his father, Paul. And you know, something 42 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.599 special about a son being able to reminisce about his dad, who's really a 43 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:57.680 legend in this field, you know, almost as big as the Sasquatch legends 44 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.639 himself. Oftentimes, we have built up these folklore around the investigators who have 45 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.159 been part of this story. I mean, without them, it's just a 46 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:08.280 bunch of people going around in the woods looking for a big, hairy ape 47 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:12.639 loses a little bit of the romanticism. And guys, if you think about 48 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.360 it, the human experience is just that our quest for you know, knowledge 49 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:21.639 and adventure, and it's just not you know, this research isn't the same 50 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:26.800 without the colorful personalities that have been a part of it even well before we 51 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:31.120 came onto the scene. But an avid hunter and outdoorsman, Paul's life changed 52 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:35.519 in June of nineteen eighty two when he encountered what he believed to be assassquatch 53 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:41.319 in the Blue Mountains of Washington State. After the encounter, Paul became a 54 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.920 man obsessed with proving the existence of the creature, and during the eighties into 55 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:49.600 the nineties worked with researchers such as Vance Orchard and West Summerlind stomping the Blue 56 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:54.000 Mountain region, finding footprints and following up on citing reports pretty much what we 57 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.759 do today, and that was you know, he got a good fifteen year 58 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.360 run and then unfortunately he at the age of fifty nine due to complications with 59 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:09.519 diabetes. The most remarkable thing about Paul was that on one August day in 60 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:14.120 nineteen ninety two August twentieth, nineteen ninety two, in an area known as 61 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:16.680 the d Duck Springs Watershed. He followed the footprints that he found in the 62 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.120 ground. With his Sony camcorder in hand, he filmed the almost eight minute 63 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:25.560 video of what could very well be a sasquatch. Today we call the Freeman 64 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.399 Footage, and tonight it's all about talking about this legendary researcher, his footage 65 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:35.600 and more so, we got a good show lined up before we dive into 66 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:41.839 this. We do have some housekeeping notes. Come see us this Saturday at 67 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:46.519 the pen Ohio Paranormal Conference at the Hickory VFW from ten to six. Five 68 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.879 speakers Tony Lavorne, Diamond, Jim Boardwine, David Kerrie Rupert, Robert Solomon, 69 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:55.720 and Christine Soltis with more than forty vendors, and Amy Boo, our 70 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:59.959 dear friend Amy Boo will be the mc ME. Matt and Baker will be 71 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.959 there to represent Sasquatch experience, and we'll be doing some live streaming. So 72 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.360 stop by and say hi. We could talk more about this show tonight. 73 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:09.759 You can come and abuse us, beat us up, whatever you like to 74 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.800 do, but we'll be there from ten to six. Yeah, seriously, 75 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:15.720 bring your stories. We do like to listen and get them, map them, 76 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.959 and go out and research them. In fact, that's why starting on 77 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:23.079 April eighth, we're returning to a bi weekly format, which is being done 78 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.560 to take more time to make bonus content, spend more time involved in the 79 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.519 research. We've got a lot going on. I know, Matt and I 80 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:31.800 are really hitting the woods heavy. We got some great projects going up with 81 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.800 our friends at Small Town Monsters and some other assorted assignments. We just got 82 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.600 a lot going on. So I think I've talked enough. Oh wait a 83 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.800 minute, just a couple more things, Matt Arner. Next week we'll be 84 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:48.279 on Sasquatch Watch Radio at nine pm over on Facebook, you know, just 85 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:54.680 running contemporary, and that night we'll have Chester More with us, long time 86 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.120 researcher and author of the book Bigfoot South, which is now available for purchase 87 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:02.800 at the website Bigfootsouth dot com. And as much as we love live streaming, 88 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.360 Sasquatch Experience is still a podcast. That's where we make our money. 89 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.160 And if you want to go watch bat live and listen to us in the 90 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.040 podcast, we're okay with that too, But either way, we're glad you're 91 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.560 here. So, folks, welcome to tonight's show. A little bit about 92 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.040 Paul Freeman. I'm gonna take a break from talking vance Baker. I'm gonna 93 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.279 let you guys go at it for a minute. What questions do you got 94 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:29.120 or what are your feelings about this legendary researcher. Well, Bake, if 95 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.000 you want to go first, and if you steal my questions or my thoughts, 96 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.600 I'm gonna have to hit you. But you can go first. Well, 97 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:40.600 gee, thanks there threatening me and all that. Okay, Well, 98 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:46.199 with the with him, it seemed like he spent a lot of time in 99 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.959 you know, the field and things like that over the ten years. Was 100 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.839 the footage the only thing that we got from that, or did he have 101 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:59.279 other other times that there were other big, big evidence. Yeah, I'm 102 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.959 glad you brought that up because Paul Freeman. Paul, and I think it's 103 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.959 because aware he lived. You know, here in the East Coast, we 104 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.639 have a hard time getting footprints because of the type of soil we have. 105 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.199 It's very rocky, hard soil, not really conducive of getting footprints unless there's 106 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.480 mud or something that's kind of mucking it up or sand. However, out 107 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.199 in the Pacific Northwest, it's a lot of volcanic ash. And as I 108 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:28.199 did some research today into this, because I had a lot of things that 109 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:35.639 I was doing, there is a something in the substrate called lois. Yes, 110 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:39.960 it's called lois, and it's akin to what they call glacial flour, 111 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:45.759 which is very fine particles of sediment. And these particles of sediment are great 112 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:52.000 for retaining detail. So that's why Paul was able to get so many footprint 113 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.639 castings and so on and so forth. Because of that substrate out there, 114 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.399 he was able to really get some good, decent impressions. And Paul had 115 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.600 a lot of foot casts. In fact, many people that we know. 116 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.279 Gwen Purcell are good friend over at Gotten Knockers, also one of our sponsors. 117 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.960 She has quite a few that she was able to procure for Mike Freeman. 118 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.799 I know Mike was selling quite a bit. I think Dave Groves, 119 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.200 another one of our friends, had some footprints from himself. I mean, 120 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.080 there's an awful lot of footprints that all was able to cast. And I 121 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:24.120 think because of that that gave people some doubt to his credibility because here's this 122 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.080 guy going out and every time he's going out, he's seeing footprints, he's 123 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.080 getting footprints. And if that's the case, well, no shit, I 124 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.080 mean he's he's got the perfect soil composition out there. And the other thing 125 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.000 you have to remember in this area, there's no roads. There's no man 126 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.000 made roads. They're all kind of nature cut paths and forest roads, but 127 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:48.720 they're not pavement like, it's no wonder that he's able to find so many 128 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:54.039 of these footprint castings. And also keep in mind we've had Jenny and Jamie 129 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.679 King, and one of the things they've always talked about for since I've known 130 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.639 them was having a micro study area, an area you consistently went back to, 131 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.559 spent a lot of time at, and spent the time doing the investigation. 132 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:13.559 And essentially what they've done Wes summerlind and Vance Orchard and Paul As they 133 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:18.759 took this area and made it a micro research area in a way. Maybe 134 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.679 not micro in the truest fence, but that area was their research area. 135 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.120 That's where they went and that's where they spent their time. So it's no 136 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:31.240 wonder they were able to get so much information and evidence from that spot. 137 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:33.919 Well, the answer the question. You know. The thing with what you 138 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.200 said was is you know they talk about people, they get too much evidence. 139 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:43.120 But the thing is, though, was that's why I hate reality TV. 140 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.000 Like I like a lot of people on the TV. I've talked to 141 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.480 them, We've hung out with them. They're good people. But like it's 142 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.840 kind of like a fish and show. You know, those guys didn't sit 143 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.519 there half hour and catch nine humongous trout. They were their twelve hours straight 144 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:07.320 and they copulated, compiled. Either way, there's no fish population, you 145 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:13.919 know. That's that's how they're letting the mesh. Now it's not weights anymore, 146 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.879 okay, anyway, oh so like so like anyway, it's like you 147 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.320 watch a lot of these shows and it's like at the end of the night, 148 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.399 we have these fifteen bags of evidence, twenty seven tracks and I know, 149 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.879 but like if you have a got you know, and you know this 150 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.080 as much as I do, Sean is we have a little area that's just 151 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.759 land I own. You get could know that area. I know when dare 152 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:41.279 have been in certain spots. I know when things have changed. I know 153 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.799 where certain sounds are coming from. So like the same with having a you 154 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:48.960 know, even if it's you know, three acres or it's twenty, you 155 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:56.120 know, something's been there, you know. Yeah, good point man. 156 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:01.240 You know. Unfortunately, like you said at the top of the there is 157 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.960 some serious weather going through where Henry is at, and unfortunately he's not able 158 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.240 to be with us at least currently. But the question I'll throw out to 159 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:18.480 the two of you is, and this is a question being asked because I 160 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.759 want to respond to it, regarding the Freeman film, at what point in 161 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:28.919 the books that have been written, do you suppose the year or at least 162 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:35.000 the era in which the tracks were noted that they are in line with each 163 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:41.440 other as they are seen. And the reason why I bring that up is 164 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:48.559 because Paulsey's tracks, he's recording it on his VHS recorder, his Sony recorder, 165 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:54.720 and he casts the Prince and then he turns the camera back on, 166 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.960 and I noticed the four prints that he casted are directly in line with each 167 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.240 other. But yet he never once said anything of ooh, look, these 168 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.960 tracks are in line with each other. And I'm curious to know when did 169 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:16.279 that observation come about in the genre of bigfoot research as far as tracks being 170 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.639 in line with each other? As they're discovered. I want to say, 171 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:26.320 probably you go back to the construction site with Jerry Crewe when they were finding 172 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:31.759 all the footprints around the heavy equipment out in California, probably in the fifties 173 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.480 would be when I was first exposed to know large concentrated amounts of footprints. 174 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.759 You think I remember, feet don't excite me, like I don't get really 175 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.879 excited about footprint impressions. At the end of the day, there are very 176 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.080 large footprint impressions. I don't like feet, so therefore I don't have an 177 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.399 interest in big footprints. The things that interest me are the hair samples that 178 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:56.120 come back, unidentified sounds. Even tree knocking doesn't get me that excited. 179 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.639 So it's just, you know, a personal preference. You ask good question, 180 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.559 my answer, and I could be wrong, and if anybody says I'm 181 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.519 wrong, you could put it in the comments. I'd probably say in the 182 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:09.919 fifties with the Jerry Crue prints, Okay, that's interesting within itself. But 183 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.279 he never once mentioned the fact that ooh, in the video, ooh, 184 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:22.720 look, these tracks are in line and unfortunately, being that it's low quality 185 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.039 VHS, and I get it right, he had the tape measure laid out 186 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:31.480 and he said, oh, this footprint is nine inches long. But he 187 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:39.360 also made the comment that because as you watch the video you see tracks moving 188 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:43.679 in both directions up the hill and down the hill, and whether or not 189 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:50.480 the sediment in which these footprints were left in were very soft or not, 190 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:56.840 they're pretty deep impressions. I you know, you're talking a half inch maybe 191 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.039 an inch in some of the cases that he was tak making the videos of. 192 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:09.120 But it's impressive because I don't think you or I could leave an impression 193 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:15.120 that deep in that type of sentiment. So well, just because you happened 194 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.200 to print the foot just because you happened to bring up the footprints, I 195 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:22.840 wanted to notate, and one of our listeners, Dan had commented, but 196 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:28.960 I also wanted to notate that in ninety one January fourteenth, nineteen ninety one, 197 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.080 called the Mill Creek Road footprints, they call it the seven mile tracks. 198 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.279 Paul Freeman and them followed prints for two miles or a man named Greg 199 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.360 May followed them for a cumulative six to eight miles of tracks for these prints, 200 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.320 which is probably longer than I think the London track away which they've been 201 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.440 talking about for a long time. But then Dan points out there was one 202 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.519 point where the FBI identified his footprints as an unknown species, which back then 203 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.039 was a pretty big deal. Yeah. I mean, the problem that we 204 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.200 always run into with Paul Freeman, and I think it's an unfair problem, 205 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.159 but it's a problem of his own devices, is that so many people were 206 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:15.320 skeptical of his character because, either through memory issues or other situations, she 207 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.639 just wasn't able to recall specifics of his sightings, or sometimes the details would 208 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.600 change. You know what, I hate to tell you something, folks. 209 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:27.639 You tell a story long enough, sometimes the details just change. Sometimes you 210 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.919 add little embellishments to make it a little bit more exciting. You know, 211 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.399 Baker bust my balls all the time because you know, tell a story for 212 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.559 a long time, a Baker's like, well, I don't remember it that 213 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:38.639 way. Well, you know, we have to add a little color. 214 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.519 As long as the concept in the core of it remains true, the specific 215 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.559 he said, she said, is it really that important? Right, Like, 216 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.799 as long as the core of it remained, you know what's the difference. 217 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.840 And I think a lot of times that gets broad into people who are 218 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.039 colorful, people who are very creative people that have to keep it entertaining from 219 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.679 themselves in order to tell a good story. Well, I think that rolls 220 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:04.599 both ways, though, because there's some times where I'm telling a story and 221 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.599 you have fill in the blanks, the specifics because I don't remember somebody's name, 222 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:11.759 or like we were in Tennessee, No, we were in Kentucky, 223 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.519 you know, And because to me, the core is to get you to 224 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.720 know what the conversation was, where his is. He wants to make sure 225 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.559 you understand all the facts of the conversation, almost make sure you're paying attention. 226 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.000 Yeah. Yeah, But I also believe that a lot of times these 227 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:33.240 people tell the same story over and over again and it becomes robotic that they 228 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.400 shed part as much as they add parts. Hey, I'm not going to 229 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:40.920 mention that it was raining today because it wasn't important to the core of the 230 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.519 story. But if the ground was wet, and that's how come I got 231 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.839 the better tracks, and I need to mention it was raining, you know 232 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.599 where it rained earlier. Same with the fact as we talk about you said 233 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.799 about the video was is you know, he didn't measure the difference between the 234 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:59.440 feet and the different things you got to realizes sometimes in the beginning of some 235 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:03.880 of these investigators, it isn't like today where I can look on the internet 236 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.880 or I can call Matt Arner and go, hey, man, how would 237 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.599 you if you had six foot prints near a house and you were looking for 238 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.880 a suspect? How would you handle those prints? And a police officer could 239 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.160 walk you through the steps? Back then, they were kind of shooting from 240 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.559 the hit, you know, and like, so there might have been moments 241 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.720 in the video he's like, wasn't important, And then you know, two 242 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.519 years later he's like, oh shit, I did measure that. Here it's 243 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.880 in a magic notebook. I forgot now, or hey it didn't you know, 244 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.440 or hey, I just didn't bring it up because it wasn't as important 245 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.599 in the front of my mind as much as it's in front of Vance's mind. 246 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.759 Point I want to make, and you said it very well, is 247 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.680 that they were shooting from the hip. They didn't have a Meldrum at that 248 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:55.240 point. Meldrum doesn't come along till ninety five ninety six. That's doctor Jeff 249 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:59.920 Meldrim. They did have Grover Krantz, but Grover Krantz was a you know, 250 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.200 not a professor in anatomy, right. He was an anthropology professor, 251 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:08.559 so that was a little a little different speciality there, and I mean, 252 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:14.039 there's there's just so much of what Paul discovered in that area. He also 253 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:18.079 discovered a handprint, you know, which I'll try to find a picture and 254 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.279 post that up at some point during the show because I'm still trying to get 255 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:23.559 a copy of that. I would love to have a copy of the hammer. 256 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.920 I have a copy of the knuckle print, but I don't have a 257 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.920 copy of the handprint. I got the knuckle print and a footprint cast from 258 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.960 Meldrum at at Cabela's when they were having that event at Caabella's a few years 259 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.279 back, not the newer one, but the one way, you know, 260 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.160 preceding that Rare, Strange and Unusual Creature Sightings Weekend is what that was called. 261 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.440 Not that that matters to the overall story, but he, you know, 262 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.960 was able to get some prints that were very unique and that other folks 263 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.279 hadn't really done at the time. I mean, who who here can say 264 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.400 in this you know, at least the between us three panelists that you know, 265 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:00.359 how common is it for us to run into a handprint sighting? No 266 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:04.839 kidding. And the other thing is, though you look at it from his 267 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:11.640 perspective, if you want to put Meldrum pulled Framan out, put Meldrum in 268 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.880 his place, what if the evidence read different, maybe because Meldron might have 269 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:22.400 gone, Okay, here's the trigonometry of where the handprint is to where the 270 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:26.599 footprint is, so he might be this high. And since that, you 271 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.559 know, there might have been a lot more maths and detective work if another 272 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.319 researcher was in that place, right, Gwen. State's also back in the 273 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:38.680 early nineties there wasn't cell phones or the internet, so contacting people was not 274 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.880 as easy. You're right. You had to rely on snail mail and hopefully 275 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:47.640 somebody was at home by by their telephone in order to get a phone calls 276 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.799 that maybe beepers. You're right, but still who had those? You know? 277 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:56.119 I mean, not exactly. Gone back on the video first footprint. 278 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.920 On that video that Paul took, he had his tape measure laid out. 279 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:08.000 Again, I can't read the tape measure because it's VHS low quality. He 280 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:15.160 said it's nine inches, it must be a younger one. But what he 281 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:19.200 also did is he laid the tape measure out in the stride, and he 282 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:25.359 showed the stride at thirty two inches. Now I want to see you, 283 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.119 either one of the two of you or four of us do a stride at 284 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:34.640 thirty two inches in line. And that's what made it peculiar to me to 285 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:41.880 say, well, that's completely not like somebody would have been on a hike 286 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:48.400 at least with their toes showing. Because there are a couple of the casts 287 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.200 that Paul did take and you can see toe prints. Are we out there 288 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:57.599 barefoot in it? At nine foot? Look, my shoe size currently is 289 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:03.319 twelve feet. Am I a juvenile and still able to take a thirty two 290 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:11.680 inch stride? That's pretty peculiar, but it's very convincing at the same time. 291 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:15.880 So what we have to show folks tonight is a twenty five second clip 292 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:21.799 that's been stabilized of the Freeman Freeman footage. Now, keep in mind this 293 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:26.759 was taken on a Sony cam quarter in nineteen ninety two. A lot of 294 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.240 people mistake it for nineteen ninety four. It was done in nineteen ninety two. 295 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:34.079 That's right, it's important. I mean, the quality of it you're 296 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.480 going to see is nineteen ninety two, folks, I'm gonna cue up here 297 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:41.519 so you can see. It's twenty five seconds a stabilized footage of Paul Freeman's 298 00:22:41.599 --> 00:23:04.319 VHS footage. Oh there you go, Yeah, get up here and seeing 299 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:12.759 foot Now, Paul Freeman sounds a lot like me. You know, he's 300 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:18.119 six foot five, I'm five. I'm five foot six. We both go 301 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.160 about the same weight. So there's a little bit of exasperation and what have 302 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.640 you. There. But now keep in mind twenty five second clip of that 303 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.079 seven minute video, which we'll put links to it in the show notes so 304 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:33.759 folks can go and make up their own minds. But to me, I 305 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:40.359 think that footage is something special. I think, to me it's more I 306 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:45.079 don't know, I've always had more validity in that than the Patterson film. 307 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.160 But I mean, if you take a couple notes from it, there's that 308 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.480 side view of that. It looks at the camera right, looks back, 309 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.720 probably seeing what the hell's going on, takes off very big, bulky creature 310 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.400 doesn't move so fast, which everybody thinks Gond tributes to it being older. 311 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:04.039 I don't know if that's the case or not. But when they went and 312 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:11.200 did some surveys of the tree. I believe it was. The tree measured 313 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.359 sixteen and a half foot tall, and he said it came up to about 314 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:15.759 the halfway point of the tree, which would put it at eight feet. 315 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:21.680 Measurements give it seven feet. And of course now they always talk that the 316 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.240 patty subject was probably only six foot three, six foot four, not seven 317 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:30.480 feet. So it's definitely a big figure that you're talking about. Dan says, 318 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.759 you can hear his genuine surprise and shock and all in the video. 319 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.759 Absolutely, And I think that's the one thing of all the things you could 320 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:41.759 say, Oh there, he goes, like, if you're gonna fabricate something, 321 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.680 don't you think you'd have something a little bit more Exactly then the Jesus, 322 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.839 like I get it. It does say that, And I'm glad you 323 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:53.839 brought that up because his specific quote as soon as he sees that movement, 324 00:24:53.960 --> 00:25:00.400 he at first he said he hears popping in the shrubs, and then he 325 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.599 says, oh there, he goes, well, that's probably something I would 326 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:10.240 say if I saw that too, And then as soon as he clearly sees 327 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:17.000 it, he says, Jesus and his breathing listen to his breathing pattern as 328 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:37.000 it's walking away. Aa oh there you go. Yes, get up here, 329 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:44.920 Al, I'm seeing your foot, yeah, I mean. Jamie King 330 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.480 notes what always impressed me was how shiny the hair appears, like it's kind 331 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:53.079 of glistening from something kind of greasy or or wet. Now I believe. 332 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.440 He also states that he felt they were drinking from the watershed down there, 333 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:02.000 so there's a potentiality of why it might also be damp looking. It's it 334 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.079 is nine twenty seven, folks, We do have to take our break. 335 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:08.319 Stay tuned. We'll be back. Sean Palker, Vince James Baker, Sasquatch 336 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:21.599 Experience will see you on the other side. Steve I. Simon, Our 337 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.400 life always brings camping is a tradition in my family. Hey, it was 338 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:30.039 a tradition in everyone's family till we came up with the house. My parents 339 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:34.920 never took me camping. You know why, because they loved me. Okay, 340 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.960 it closes into nature. I want to keep the relationship professional. If 341 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.240 it's so great outside, why are all the bugs trying to get in my 342 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:52.559 house? Ah? Yes, just the season for the camping reason. This 343 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.279 is the bigfoot bullhorn right here on the Sasquatch experience. Anybody have any fun 344 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:03.160 camping stories they'd like to share. I'll go first. While dating my fiance 345 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.480 at the time years ago, we decided to go camping, got to the 346 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.960 camp site a little bit late, about ten o'clock at night, and set 347 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:15.680 the tent up, and of course we had a inflatable mattress, and in 348 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.799 my genius, I brought along a metal foot pump to fill that mattress. 349 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.680 So by ten thirty at night, campground's dead, silent, and all you 350 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:33.039 could hear coming out of our tent was the looks I got from our neighbors 351 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:40.000 the next morning while cooking breakfast, winks and nods. Anyway, this is 352 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.720 the big football horn. Like I mentioned earlier, and a couple of weeks 353 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:51.160 ago, we did a news story here about the resurrection and de extinction of 354 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:55.640 the wooly mammoth. Now me personally, I don't think that's such a good 355 00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:00.559 idea, but that project is in full swing, along with a documentary that 356 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:06.640 is currently being produced. I just don't think it's a good idea. They 357 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:12.119 went extinct through selection, not by man's hand, but science is at it 358 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:21.039 again for another creature that went extinct, the thylazine or Tasmanian tiger is an 359 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:26.559 animal that for many Australians is almost a legend confined to history. They were 360 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:32.880 driven to extinction. Yet for an animal that was completely wiped out of existence 361 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.720 nearly ninety years ago, it continues to hold the place of endearment in the 362 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:44.759 eyes of the public. The thylazine was a unique marsupial species that is unlike 363 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:51.359 any other around today as an apex predator that looked physically like a dog or 364 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:56.720 wolf. According to Professor Andrew Pass from the University of Melbourne, it was 365 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:03.960 the king of the marsupials until it's extinction in nineteen thirty six. Now, 366 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:10.920 unlike its common name suggests, the Tasmanian tiger was once broadly distributed around Australia. 367 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.119 However, the poor genetic health of the species, much worse than that 368 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:22.359 of the Tasmanian devil. In present day, the introduction of dingos and other 369 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:27.720 factors wiped out the thilazine from the mainland. Since its extinction, the thylazine 370 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:33.079 has endured in the Australian's consciousness as a symbol of regret for the role in 371 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.920 its decline and the decline of other species. But what if there was a 372 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:44.799 way to bring them back, and if there was, should we The thilazine 373 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:49.519 may be gone, but researchers at the University of Melbourne, led by Professor 374 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:56.359 Andrew Pask are working towards its de extinction. No longer the stuff of science 375 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:03.079 fiction, bringing a species back from extinctnction is now a feasible scientific reality. 376 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.640 The first step in reviving an extinct species is to find a good source of 377 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:15.960 DNA. While DNA is fortunately quite hardy, it's subject to damage by various 378 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:23.519 enzymes and chemicals, microorganisms, and ultraviolet light. This means that while there 379 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:30.640 are numerous thilazine samples found in collections and in museums, few have been stored 380 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:37.039 in such a way to completely protect the DNA from denigration. Although this is 381 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.400 good news for those concerned about a Jurassic Park situation, as all dinosaur DNA 382 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:51.599 is irreparably destroyed. Andrew did piece together the best preserved DNA from a thylazine 383 00:30:51.640 --> 00:31:00.119 specimen a ten million piece puzzle and sequenced the thylazine genome, providing all all 384 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:06.359 the instructions needed to make a thylazine me personally, I'm looking forward to keeping 385 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:12.839 you all abreast of the Wooly Mammoth Resurrection and a thylazine resurrection. As time 386 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.119 marches on, when we come back one of our favorite events, it's got 387 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:25.960 its announcement to be made. You're listening to the big Koot bullhorn right here 388 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:37.160 on the Sasquatch Experience. Wow. Are you a vegan who just misses the 389 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:42.640 entire meat eating process? 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Thanks again for listening 404 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:31.799 to this edition of The Big Football Horn exclusively right here on the Sasquatch Experience, 405 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.119 and of course, as always, gentlemen, until we meet again, 406 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:49.359 keep your toe in the mind mine sticky, keep your toes in the mud. 407 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.839 Welcome back, folks. Sasquatch Experience. Sean Fokervince has it. James 408 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.119 Baker, our guest, our co host Henry May, who's not able to 409 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:01.680 make it via video tonight, did share this comment and the Facebook Freeman's footage 410 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.759 is so criminally understudied. Scientists ignoring this footage you need to get their heads 411 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.960 out of the rear ends and take a look at it. Something special about 412 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.840 that, and as hard as you can and pull your head out of your 413 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:20.559 butt. Good to see you guys. Missed you last week. We missed 414 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:24.199 you too, Jenny King. I like how Bigfoot stomps like you can't see 415 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.960 me. You can't see me. I'm right here in a tree. Stop 416 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:34.039 not stomp Blue. Hello, several reputable people have got the DNA filazine that 417 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.880 had to have been your commercial, and then me saying, keep the comments 418 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.159 coming, Keep them coming, folks. We love to hear your comments. 419 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:43.639 Read them during the show. Keeps us interactive. But I did get a 420 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.880 question from our executive producer, Brian Corbin during the break. He sent me 421 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:52.320 a message asking if I had any photos of cast I have one better actually 422 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:58.159 nineteen eighty six. There's a place called Elk Wallow down at the bottom I 423 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.519 think near Low Canyon. Could be wrong, but if you read, there's 424 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:06.639 a great book out called the Freeman Bigfoot Files. Well worth the money. 425 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.320 Go get yourself a copy. Hangar when publishing Doug Highchack's companies putting it out 426 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:15.559 there gives a grade overwritten by Paul Freeman in conjunction with some other researchers about 427 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.159 you know, written by Mike about his father Paul, and one of the 428 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.079 things they talk about in there is the knuckle cast. And I told you 429 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.440 guys, I procured a knuckle cast from doctor Jeff Meldrum. So I'm going 430 00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.920 to show this to you guys. Right here. This was the knuckle print, 431 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.440 and that's my hand. I don't exactly have a small hand, but 432 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.320 you can see the sasquatch potential sasquatch knuckle right there for fingers and a thumb, 433 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.400 and then just put that in comparison to mine. That's a pretty big 434 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.400 ass, big ass knuckle print, right. I have it on display here 435 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:59.840 at the studio among some other artifacts. But it's remarkable because those are few 436 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.800 and far between. You know, often we get the footprints, but we 437 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:08.000 don't get the Now that's a meat hook, Yeah it is. It is, 438 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.119 griff. That's a one hell of imagine taking a shot from a sasquatch. 439 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.400 It's gonna sting just a little bit. But rarely there's another one out 440 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.599 there too. And I'll see if I can pull some pictures up here. 441 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.320 So when you search Paul Freeman, a lot pops up. I like to 442 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.599 be sure that what we're looking at is actually Paul's and it takes a little 443 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:31.079 time, especially now more than ever, but a Sasquatch legend. Meet science. 444 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.880 Doctor Meldrim talks about the the Freeman Prince. I mean, doctor Meldrim 445 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.639 spent a lot of time with the Paul Freeman Prince, and I have to 446 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.599 tell you if it left him in print, it left him impressed. I 447 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.880 think we all should be a little impressed by them. He is a national 448 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.800 treasure, national treasure, the good doctor. What other questions do you, 449 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.800 gentlemen have? I try to find this vance. You were on a roll 450 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.719 before I cut us off to go to break well, I don't know that 451 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.400 I was on a roll. Was just the fact of, you know, 452 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:09.920 talking about the fact of how he said, oh here there he goes to 453 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:16.960 a statement like that in the video. Seems so spontaneous and realistic to me. 454 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:23.159 And then he's like Jesus and he moves up the trail and you can 455 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:30.159 hear how his breathing ray changed immediately. I mean, just watch a video. 456 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:37.599 His breathing ray changed immediately, because you can tell the adrenaline started to 457 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.679 pump right there. Is that a fake? Yeah? I don't think so. 458 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:47.039 Oh that's that's pretty genuine to me. I'm more convinced than it not 459 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.519 being a fake from the second half of the video compared to the first half. 460 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.039 One oh here he goes to me, is like, okay, that's 461 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:59.320 showtime. Are my puppets out there? Compared to Jesus? And he's barely 462 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.079 breathing trying to move around because it's freaking him out. If he was prepared 463 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.559 for this thing to be doing this, like how many other videos have we 464 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.840 seen where oh, it's sasquatch and now like and then then they happened to 465 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:14.000 pan the camera just right, and then they panted the camera where where he 466 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.480 happened, you know what I mean? You could tell them whatever in the 467 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.039 beginning, Like if it would have just been just that statement and it would 468 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.000 have been some other things, I would have said, well, that seems 469 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.480 like he was prepped for it to happen, right, you know, Like 470 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.000 you know, like like we always talk about the evaporating deer story, but 471 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.360 the fact is is, like we were prepped. We were prepped for the 472 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.599 action that was going to happen. We were prepped that someone was going to 473 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.719 hit that deer. We were not prepped for the fact there was nobody and 474 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.039 it exploded, you know what I mean. But when he kind of said 475 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.320 that. In the beginning, I was kind of like, okay, so 476 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.480 your actors in place, you know, that's kind of your action phrase. 477 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:57.960 But then he's like Jesus, and you know, he's he's having trouble breathing 478 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.880 and stuff like that. That tells me either he sincerely out of shape, 479 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.559 that he didn't expect he'd have to move four feet, that he really is 480 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:12.280 like this is not a drill. Yeah. Well, all I could say 481 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.800 is for any of our listeners, if they want to go to YouTube and 482 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.800 put in Paul Freeman footage and just watch it for yourself, or watch what 483 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:28.519 Shawn has put up, just watch it for yourself. I really think there's 484 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:36.199 a lot of unscripted yeah events that happened because he's all he's doing is he's 485 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:43.199 video recording footprints and he's trying to make sense of oh, well, the 486 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:49.320 footprints moved up and then they came back down again. They're clearly moving back 487 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.880 and forth, and then this happened, and that's when he said, oh, 488 00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.360 there he goes. That changed the entire dichotomy of what the video was 489 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.079 showing. And that's my point too. And the nice thing I like about 490 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.760 this video is you get a lot of the b roll. And that's the 491 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:14.639 one thing I always argue about when you see these videos, it's like nothing, 492 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.679 nothing, nothing, we got nothing but sasquatch, you got nothing after 493 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.519 you got nothing before. Okay, so all day you didn't use the video 494 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.119 camera at all, but you happen to have it popped up when this sucker 495 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.320 wanders by. Now, if you were taking pictures of you and your you 496 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.599 know, you take a video you guys having a nice little picnic, and 497 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.320 then a couple of minutes later you pop up the video and there's a hairy 498 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.440 thing trying to eat your wife, you know, Like that's realistic compared to 499 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.920 but there's no other video, and then there's this thing coming to you. 500 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.679 Why did you have the camera out if you weren't prepared, you know what 501 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.440 I mean, Like what was the purpose of the camera. Like when I 502 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.000 go somewhere, like I take pictures of projects I'm working on, or me 503 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.880 and Forker are going to go somewhere and like I have an idea what I 504 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.519 want to do, but I want to mentor like work on it. I'll 505 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.800 take a lot of pictures so I have to be fun after reel of that 506 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.280 and in between there's a bigfoot segment. Then you could look at those and 507 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.880 go okay. Baker had his camera out because he was trying to figure out 508 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:15.840 if he wanted to put a porch here, or if you wanted to how 509 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.119 he wanted to do the roof on a shed or whatever. And then as 510 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.360 he's looking, there's a soft squatch standing there, you know, and then 511 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:29.960 he's like, I fixated on that, And then there's you know, video 512 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:35.039 of me forgetting the cameras on and running because I'm not gonna get killed, 513 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.639 you know, no. But but you bring up the most important point that 514 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:45.800 you know, Baker and myself and Sean we've all exemplified upon if you're gonna 515 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:52.000 post a video, we want to see the entire thing, from the moment 516 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.159 you turn it on to the moment you turn it off. Let's see everything 517 00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:00.320 in between. With the Paul Freeman footage, that's what you get. The 518 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:07.440 only time he turns it off was when he made plaster to pour it into 519 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.039 the footprints. That's the only time he turned the camera off. I understand 520 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:17.920 why. But after he turns the camera back on, he's showing you this 521 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:24.320 inline trackway of four footprints that are all in line with each other. He 522 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:30.159 never says anything about it. He keeps talking, and then he's recording more 523 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:37.599 footprints that he did not cast that came down towards him on the hill, 524 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:45.679 or I'm assuming it looked like a hill coming towards him in a different size 525 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.400 than the ones that he's casting. And none of this was taken on a 526 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:55.519 context. That's the important thing. I've seen way too many videos that have 527 00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.480 music put in it and it's taken out of context, and oh, we 528 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.239 got to make this more dramatic than whatever. I don't want to see that. 529 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:12.039 What I want to see is an unedited version of what it is that 530 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:17.000 you witnessed from point A when you turn the camera on to point B when 531 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.079 you turn the camera off. And that's that's what makes them more convincing to 532 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:28.639 me, because he did state that comment. I don't know what else you 533 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.559 would say. I'm not really sure, but when you say, oh, 534 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:39.360 there he goes, that's totally unscripted. To me, I'm very convinced by 535 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:45.559 that. I think that photo I posted there is the one of the Freeman 536 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.639 handprint photos. The North American Bigfoot Center in Boring, Oregon are good friend 537 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:57.360 Cliff Barrickman's place has a whole diorama of handprints, and there aren't as many 538 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.079 as you'd think. I think there's maybe like six or seven on that diorama 539 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.800 that he's put together, and I think that's kind of telling with the you 540 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.239 know, amount of footprint castings there are, how rare it is to find 541 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.079 a handprint. And then of course you go back to the whole conversation of 542 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:19.800 the Skukum cast which is another story for another time, right, Like, 543 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.440 I mean, just look at that. That's a normal size vending table, 544 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:30.119 and that's a big ass hand right, that's pretty pretty sizeble. Yeah, 545 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:39.400 it's it's it's definitely has some distracting. And first off, if you're gripping 546 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:51.039 into a surface to pull yourself forward in a locomotive motion, you're not using 547 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.480 your thumb. So that cast print shows four fingers, but the thumb is 548 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.760 not involved because that's not really part of And think of it for yourself. 549 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:07.239 If you're pulling yourself forward, your thumb is parallel to the surface, it's 550 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.639 your think bump, I think them, yeah, there might be, but 551 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:17.639 it's your fingers that are doing the majority of the pull forward, not so 552 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.320 much your thumb, and your thumb is for stability at that point. Being 553 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:27.840 a tall bi bettal creature, most of your handprints per se would be higher 554 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.159 up. That would only be as if you know, you'd have to look 555 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.880 at the track and dear if you had a track near where the hand was, 556 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.719 is a track near it a slightly askew like it tripped and it's using 557 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.000 its hand to picking up or you know, like there's a lot of little 558 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:49.039 factors that go into assessing what usefulness that print is. But one thing I 559 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.760 want to mention is it doesn't look like a regular hand unless they're andre the 560 00:45:52.840 --> 00:46:00.800 giant. And secondly is I don't see clause and some of the other because 561 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.119 one of the things we kind of learned last week was or the week before 562 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.719 was think Bigfoot last. You know, Henry may put it really well, 563 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.760 think Bigfoot last. And the thing is, though that doesn't seem like a 564 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:15.320 bear print, you know, there would be more of a claw and there'd 565 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.039 be less you know, like whether their animal could make that, Like I 566 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.239 said, it'd have to be a large ass human and I don't know any 567 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:30.199 animals that have that kind of gape that are that are not you know that 568 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.559 that are running in that area. I mean, it's not somewhere where you 569 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.920 have like orangutangs and stuff like that, with which would have a large hand 570 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.760 like that. I'm assessing a less want to escape from the zoo. But 571 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.000 then the prince would be different because the prince wouldn't be long legged creature. 572 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.239 They'd be squatty and you know whatever. You know, so you had to 573 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:52.960 look at the mechanics of a bear print. Could a bear Paul do that? 574 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:59.880 Fans? I don't think so, not in the with the death Right, 575 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.280 and I think the clause would have been a prominent of that print, 576 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.599 and they don't see that in this right. I have to ask, right, 577 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:13.519 Griff states, I look at the obvious hoaxes today and they are painfully 578 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.199 obvious. If the Freeman footage is fake, he's a lot better than what 579 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.159 they're doing today. And you know the fact is, you go back to 580 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:28.079 capacity and capability to do that, and did he have the means? Paul 581 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.679 Freeman wasn't an extremely wealthy dude. Roger Patterson. You know, we accuse 582 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.159 these guys of doing some significant Hollywood level hoaxes and they just don't have the 583 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.360 financial means or the abilities. They didn't have LucasArts, they didn't have industrial 584 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:51.719 light and magic. You're right, they right, that's true. It's true. 585 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:57.440 And would have they have bought through? So let's go back to Patterson 586 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:02.440 Gimlin. Would they have really given enough consideration to say, hey, let's 587 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.719 put boobs on this thing and call it a female. Well, so you 588 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:15.519 know, listen, we say that, but we go back to the William 589 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:21.280 Rowe photograph or not photograph sketch that he made the creature. He saw what 590 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:25.039 was one of the prominent features in the William Rowe sighting breasts, right, 591 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.599 huge hairy tits. And I said that just for you, Baker, just 592 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:37.079 for you there he made me stoop that well, I said it. Okay, 593 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.480 folks, send your hate mail to James Baker at he doesn't give a 594 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:45.800 damn dot com. I'll send you a free picture of my ass. No, 595 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.760 don't don't do that. No. Speaking of two dollars, you can 596 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:57.199 be a Patreon support or as little. It's two dollars a month, folks, 597 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.519 two bucks a month, which we have some excited content coming and working 598 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:06.719 on the investigation of Montour Road Part two. We got another Baker's hot takes 599 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.119 coming vance. Of course, we'll probably do another Man on the Street at 600 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:13.320 some point in time. We got a lot going on out there. Don't 601 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.280 give up on us because we got a lot going on. We're just busy 602 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.719 men. This is a labor of love for us, it really is. 603 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.000 We're just trying to make it. You make one point that's valid that everybody 604 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:30.920 seems to forget from nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty I'll even go nineteen eighty five 605 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:37.199 ninety, there was no joy in being a bigfoot expert or seeing a bigfoot. 606 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.800 You weren't getting money from Jackline's jerkey. You weren't getting you weren't getting 607 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.559 to be on twelve different podcasts and twenty different shows and get to be on 608 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:51.360 Finding Bigfoot. There was the guys at the bar laughed at you, and 609 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.599 you hoped you were strong enough that get your whoop butt wop. So with 610 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.960 a lot of these people that this stuff happened to, like Patterson Gimlin and 611 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:02.440 that like is there's story. It wasn't worth baking, right yeah, And 612 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.760 cable television was not a thing at that time, And I think that ms 613 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.880 your point. He just made fun of you, right, Well, you 614 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:16.679 know or ignored you completely as the rummy, you know, And I think 615 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:22.199 that's the so I think that's the miscon consternation. I made that word up. 616 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:28.159 I think of Paul Freeman and Roger Patterson. You know, Patterson was 617 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.480 trying to make this his life's work and was trying to make a dime, 618 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.960 and that's okay, you know, just be transparent about him. But Paul 619 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.159 Freeman was really a man of passion from it when he had a sighting. 620 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.840 And he was a contentious person in this field, not because of his personality 621 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.920 by all accounts. And I never got to meet Paul Freeman, unfortunately, 622 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.039 because he passed away in two thousand and three at the age of fifty nine. 623 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.679 You know, he's not around to defend himself anymore. Neither is Roger 624 00:50:53.719 --> 00:51:00.719 Patterson. But I really feel that there was an honesty about Paul, nothing 625 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.199 nefarious. You know, his personality was he was a big personality, but 626 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.440 as a very generous person, very giving. You know, it was to 627 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.159 kind of give your you know, give me the shirt off your back kind 628 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.199 of guy if he needed it. And you know, he just marred by 629 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.360 by certain things. Bob Titmas was not a fan of Paul Freeman. But 630 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:21.000 you know, Tipmos had his distractors too. They were saying people that thought 631 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.199 Bob Titmos was the world's greatest you know, tracker, and he couldn't find 632 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.639 mouse shit. So like, I mean, there were a lot of people 633 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.320 who had, you know, the personalities in that time in the eighties. 634 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.679 You know, Peter Burn, you know, was good enough to go out 635 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:39.199 with Freeman, and you know, and of course sometimes happens with Peter Burn. 636 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:44.039 The fallout happened afterwards, like at some point he found out it wasn't 637 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:45.800 as hot as he thought it was going to be and jumped off. Daniel 638 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:53.519 Perez November twenty twenty two has a full front page article on The Bigfoot Times 639 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.599 about Paul Freeman, and it's worth the read. Every time I write about 640 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.199 mister Freeman, a lightning rock for controversy, in my estimation, I feel 641 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:05.119 like I'm about to pop the party balloon. And you know, he tries 642 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.840 to argue that, he tries to make the point that anything he posts about 643 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.960 Paul Freeman is you know, good journalism, fact checking and looking for the 644 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.320 proof, and in this case the primary source is Paul Freeman. And again 645 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:22.000 we go back and talk about the different times that Paul had either misspoke or 646 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.519 got details wrong or stepped back, which you know, again, I don't 647 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.800 think is the strongest case in point to prove somebody was a liar. Good 648 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.840 Morning America fiasco in nineteen eighty seven, I believe, which we play if 649 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.400 you go back and listen to an episode of Sasquatch Experience Still Searching Blue Mountains. 650 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:44.519 Bigfoot actually is the interview that Maz and I did with Paul with Mike 651 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.119 Freeman talking about his dad, and we go into that and how the Good 652 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:52.599 Morning America actually kind of hurt him and hurt his credibility where they asked him 653 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.880 if he faked Prince and his full answer was yes, I faked Prince. 654 00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.440 I faked him in the garden to measure, and they never went that the 655 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.159 course. The only part they went with was that sound bite, yes, 656 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:09.960 I've faked tracks right. Cryptid Creatures Reborn says that he was humble and even 657 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:15.440 didn't like talking about it towards the end. Yeah, and I can imagine 658 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.719 they met Crypto Creature every Born another podcast out there, folks, check it 659 00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:23.440 out. He's on X And for some reason I can't post back to him. 660 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:28.679 So if you can hear this, you know we're acknowledging you. We're 661 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.719 just having a you know, Baker, that's a great point. We faked 662 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.360 a track to learn how to cast, and no matter how much we told 663 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.920 people that that cast was fake, people still tried to buy it. We 664 00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:44.440 put it in a shadow box with a map of where we did it. 665 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:50.280 It said James Baker, like like the worst, Like it was just trmndous 666 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.280 had little Pennsylvania map behind it. It wasn't bad. I mean, he's 667 00:53:53.320 --> 00:54:00.440 he's making it wasn't bad, but it but it clearly said but it clearly 668 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.639 said James Baker, size twelve, and folks still were trying to buy it. 669 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.599 We must have had this is not a real print right to do it. 670 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:14.159 So, no matter even if you do put out that truth and lending 671 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.880 statement that hey you know this is you know this is fake. You know, 672 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.760 people still are gonna make up their own mind and believe what they want 673 00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.079 to. Right, And there's a lot of I think you need to just 674 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:31.360 good stuff from Take a look at Todd's standing. You know you can't put 675 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:36.880 him in the same category lapse. No, but it's the same thing and 676 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.360 that that's where everything starts to collapse. But it's not. And it's like, 677 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.960 come on, you're you're gonna show us, and the entire thing collapses 678 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:52.519 below us. Todd's standing's clearly trying to promote a fucking muppet out there and 679 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.400 promote us a big foot. Freeman never did that. Freeman like different, 680 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.000 they can't be in the same they can't be in the same category. That's 681 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:07.960 the point, Like it's they're just too different. And I don't know Freeman. 682 00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:13.000 To me, there was a genuine folksy honesty to him, and I 683 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.679 never got to meet him, so everything I see is from either video and 684 00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.079 and you know, listening to his son, you know, you know when 685 00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.800 you get to know somebody and you really want to get the real, true 686 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:28.320 read on somebody, you know, ask their kids talk to him. And 687 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.679 we did that with Michael, and Michael and I haven't spoken some time, 688 00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:35.679 but my last I thoroughly enjoyed that conversation. And go back and take a 689 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:40.239 listen Sasquatch Experience still searching Blue Mountain, Bigfoot. It is a it's a 690 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.840 good listen. It's it's a little long. I think it's about two hours, 691 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.960 but it's worth every second if you wanted to get a good read on 692 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.960 more about this topic, because, believe it or not, we're almost at 693 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.880 a friggin time right. No, I don't thing is when I don't like 694 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.760 about the Folk conversation was you know that he went on there and he admitted 695 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.239 he faked things. Well, we've all done it, and that bothers me. 696 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:07.599 You remember we got that certificate from Jeff Meltram he technically faked four bigfoot 697 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.519 casts in front of us. Well, but you're sporting the hairs. I 698 00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.119 mean that was an educational purpose as opposed to a but that was what he 699 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:20.639 was trying to say. Yes, I've made I've made fake ones to find 700 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.239 out how to do it. So, you know, I think it was 701 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.519 it might have been Gwen, or it might have been Amy, but one 702 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.840 of them said, how do you learn If you try to learn why you've 703 00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.039 got the cast in front of you've already failed. Right, You got to 704 00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.639 learn beforehand. You've got to know how to do mix this stuff right, 705 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:42.199 because when we did ours got to practice craft. If we'd have done ten 706 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.639 more, the first one looked horrible. The second, third day to all 707 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:52.599 progressed into something better. You know, my fiancee likes cows. Every cow 708 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.440 picture I paint looks a little bit more like a cow. Well, moo, 709 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:02.239 moo, mo guy, it's that time we have to call it. 710 00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:07.480 Folks. You've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience. Sean Falker, Vince has 711 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:12.920 been, James Baker on behalf of Henry May and Matt Arner tonight. Next 712 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:19.320 week we've got chestermore Bigfootsouth dot com pick up his book Bigfoot South, and 713 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.920 Matt will also be on Sasquatch Watch Radio at the same time. We hope 714 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.519 you come back. We had a great turnout tonight, folks. Thank you 715 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:30.400 for being so engaged. And we just scratched the surface of Paul Freeman, 716 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:37.880 episode ninety eight, Freeman on Behalf of Henry May. You folks have a 717 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.559 safe all y'all be good or be good. Well he tried it, I 718 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:49.840 didn't. He tried it miss And for the love of God think Bigfoot last. 719 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.559 And you know what, just just keep on squatching. Good night. 720 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.960 You've been listening in the Sasquatch Experience. Please rate interview where this podcast has 721 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.360 been consumed. To share your experience, visit us on Facebook. Our website 722 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:14.480 or email us info at Sasquatchexperience dot com. Keep on squatching,