WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.960 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.919 just because my dog. Something killed your dog, my dog. We're flying 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.160 through the air over the tree. I don't know how it did it, 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.960 Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 5 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:18.239 over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like, 6 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.879 I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over 7 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:40.960 the fence. Sat, what are you putting? We got some wonder or 8 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:52.039 something crawling around out here? Did you see what it was or was it 9 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:54.799 was? Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now and I 10 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.079 don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus quice, you 11 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:06.480 better hello, get somebody out here when I'm out there. I thought of 12 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.959 a bitch of about sixty for nine. I don't know. Easy ann out 13 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:12.120 there. Yeah, I'm working right. Hey. I want to welcome my 14 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:17.120 guest to the show. It is Scott and Hannah. They're traveling right now, 15 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.079 but originally from Oregon. I want to welcome you both to the show. 16 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.760 Thanks so much for being here. Hey, thank you Brian for having 17 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.000 us our pleasure. I am glad to have you guys. Let's get right 18 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:27.000 into it. Let's talk about this one at a time, Scott, I 19 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:30.560 guess you could take this question first if you want. What got you interested 20 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:36.000 in the bigfoot subject to begin with. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest 21 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:42.560 and specifically the Blue Mountains of eastern Oregon, and bigfoot lore was always a 22 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:48.400 big thing up there. And when I was little, I remember seeing the 23 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:53.879 Patterson Gimblin film as a newsreel before a movie. They used to do that 24 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.159 back in the day. They used to run these little newsreels. This is 25 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.599 back in the early seventies. So I saw that bigfoot walking across the screen 26 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.439 there, I'm like, wow, that is so cool, and it was 27 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.439 always in the back of my mind. But what really got me into it 28 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:12.919 is later on in life. I became an anthropologist and my expertise is in 29 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:17.360 Native American culture. So I was working with a lot of tribal members and 30 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:23.680 I came across a pictograph that I didn't know. That's what I used to 31 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:28.240 do is read pittographs. That was my specialty. And I asked a Native 32 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.479 American elder what this was and he said, in his language, jay Ali, 33 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:37.840 which was met Harryman, and this is from the Mewalk tribe in California, 34 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:39.919 and I said, hairy man, and I go, you mean Bigfoot 35 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:44.759 And he looked at me and he goes yes, and I said they exist. 36 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:47.719 And then he give me a glance like I'm stupid, and then turned 37 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:52.159 around and walk the way. So that's what really got me into it. 38 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.800 From then on, during my career as an anthropologists working with different tribes, 39 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:00.919 I always ask him about pigpoot legends and stuff after that, and I figured, 40 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:02.960 if there's this much history with the tribe, they've got to be something 41 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:08.159 here. After I retired from doing the anthropology stuff, I jumped right into 42 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:13.199 the Bigfoot research. Awesome, what about you, Hannah, It's so interesting. 43 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.960 We were talking a little bit about it off the air. I've said 44 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.919 it to Kathy and Bob's train. I've had them on the show independent of 45 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:22.080 one another, and it always fascinates me, and I've said it to Bob 46 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.840 and Kathy. How great I think it is that people who are in a 47 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.680 relationship, no matter what that is, as far as a life partner, 48 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:32.400 whatever the partnership is, to have that shared interest. Because most of us 49 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.599 in the Bigfoot community don't have that right we get looked at like we're crazy. 50 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.400 Our wives or our husbands look at us like we've got four heads if 51 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.800 you talk about bigfoot. So I think it's so cool that you guys are 52 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.120 a couple and you have this shared an interest. Hannah, what was it 53 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:50.360 that got you interested in the subject to begin with? Twenty one years of 54 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:54.520 marriage to him. I didn't even see Harry and the Hendersons until long after 55 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:59.599 we were married. I had no not only no interests, they had no 56 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:04.199 knowledge of the subject at all. Bigfoot never was a part of my life 57 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:10.400 ever. Growing up. I was very much a city girl and I had 58 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:17.560 my own career path and interests that had nothing to do with being out in 59 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:24.639 the forest or hiking through the mountains or anything like that. So this is 60 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.639 a later in life interest for me. But when he shares his encounter, 61 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.199 he'll go into this a little bit more. But it was when he shared 62 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:39.879 with me not just his photograph, his digital photograph, but the fact that 63 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.040 there was an empty frame before it and an empty frame after it, and 64 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:48.319 then this in the middle, it was like, oh, okay, and 65 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:53.240 that's where I first started. Maybe he doesn't have for him, I don't 66 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.000 know. I still give him that foreheaded look from time to time, but 67 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:01.199 not about Bigfoot. So that's where I started, at least giving credence to 68 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:06.040 the idea. And I think where I really started to buy in was when 69 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:11.480 we started traveling and the events that led up to that. By that point 70 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:13.519 in my life, I said, let's just do it. Let's go make 71 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.759 this work. Let's make your passion our thing, and just go do it. 72 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.639 And it's grown over the years, and since that time, my own 73 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:27.160 not fight encounters have just solidified that for me. Oh and here's something funny 74 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.639 anadote. She grew up in Yakima, Washington. She lived across the street 75 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.959 from a guy named Roger Patterson. Roger Patterson, and she didn't know anything 76 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:40.680 about Bigfoot. She literally lived across the street from him. With that said, 77 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:45.680 I lived across the street from his property and I was like nine. 78 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.040 My opinion about that has grown over the years the more people that I've interviewed. 79 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:54.800 I now think everything in some ways are connected, and I don't think 80 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.199 that is something to be taken lightly. I think that there was a reason 81 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.839 that you lived where you lived when you were nine years old. So let's 82 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.399 talk a little bit about Scott. You had that conversation with this Native American 83 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:10.160 and he gave you the nod that bigfoot was real. Is that what spurred 84 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:14.040 you into getting into the research part of this or was it the experience that 85 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:17.079 really led you down the path to really start researching and getting into the subject. 86 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:23.519 Actually it was finding that pictograph. Not only did the elder tell me 87 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:30.439 what it was, but after seeing that pictograph, I started looking into other 88 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.680 pictographs I've found. And that's what really spurred my interest in the bigfoot thing, 89 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:39.120 is because wait, I've got documentation here that that's a thousand years old. 90 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.120 I've got here's a story of a bigfoot. And so I started looking 91 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.519 into all the other pictographs and stuff that I had researched, And of course 92 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.240 there's that famous one in California, the one that's on the cover Kathy Strain's 93 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:56.160 book. So I saw that, and then I saw the detailed drawing of 94 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.319 it, and I noticed something on there that I don't think anybody had talked 95 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.680 about. Is down in the bottom of the corner. And this is one 96 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:05.800 of the things I talked about it when I do talks at squash fistles and 97 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:12.240 things, is there's two symbols in the bottom of that that are at levels 98 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.519 the Native Americans quit using at lettls fifteen hundred to two thousand years ago, 99 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:21.600 So does that make that pictograph two thousand years old? So that's what kind 100 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:25.560 of got me into it. I said, So this didn't start in nineteen 101 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:30.560 sixty seven or nineteen fifty six with Jerry Krew. This started thousands of years 102 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:34.839 ago, so they've been here for a while. So that's what really intrigued 103 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:40.279 me, is the history. So then I started doing more research into the 104 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:44.199 footprint casts and the morphology of the foot and all that other stuff, because 105 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.120 we had to learn that in anthropology school too, So that's when I started 106 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.879 really diving into it. So I've been actually doing it for twenty five years, 107 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:57.439 but because I worked for universities and we did archaeological digs, and I 108 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.480 couldn't really just hey, I'm looking for Bigfoot because funding would go away or 109 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.480 the university professor would look at me funny and say, you're not going to 110 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.959 work here much longer. I had to keep it down low until five years 111 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.879 ago I came out of the Bigfoot closet. But I had been gathering stuff 112 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.240 for about twenty five years. So that's what really got me into it was 113 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.800 just the history. Let's talk a little bit about that history before we get 114 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.240 into your encounter and your experiences. I just finished a book and I did 115 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.920 an entire chapter on the Native American relationship with Bigfoot, the history, the 116 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.799 lore, not just lore, but the passing on of their experiences with these 117 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.639 things. It's fascinated me since day one. I think that's one of the 118 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.120 things that draws a lot of people that are interested in this subject. Is 119 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:48.240 there anything that stuck out to you through the course of your twenty five years 120 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:52.639 of looking into the Native American connection to these things, outside of maybe the 121 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.639 pictographs and other things. Is there anything that has surprised you or really stuck 122 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.919 out to you as something that more people should maybe and be taking a look 123 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.440 at as far as what the Native American connection to Bigfoot or Sasquatch may mean 124 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.360 for the rest of us who are looking into it in present day. One 125 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:16.600 other thing that's really struck me is the names for these things in their languages 126 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:22.039 and the relationship the tribes have had with them. Some tribes, I meant, 127 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:28.200 the Gibbewah actually have a treaty with them. Bigfoot told the Ajibewah that 128 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.679 if they traded with a white man, I'm going to go into the mountains 129 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.639 and never be seen again. And so they traded with a white man. 130 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.480 So what happened. Some of this lure is just fantastic, But when you 131 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.960 get into the names that they call them, it's interesting because a lot of 132 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.919 the translations of the names is harry man, benevolent brother, spirit being for 133 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:56.720 his friend, things like that. Then you get into wendigo, cannibal monster, 134 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:01.320 there's one gosh you can't bring to mine real quick the native word for 135 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.799 it, but it was like kidnapper basically. So it was really interesting to 136 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.639 me the relationships that some tribes have really good relationships and some tribes don't. 137 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.159 And I was always interested in trying to figure out why. But most of 138 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.960 the ones that have the scary names for these are the southern tribes, so 139 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.399 I guess the Bigfoot in the South ormeanor. But that's one of the interesting 140 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.440 things when you get into the history and the war, is the relationship that 141 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.799 the tribes had with Bigfoot. It was really interesting. Gotcha, So let's 142 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.480 move into your experience and your encounter with this thing. I want to hear 143 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.919 all about that. So just take us back to where you were, what 144 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.679 you were doing, and tell us what happened. Okay, five years ago, 145 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:46.039 we started a website where people could submit reports in the Blue Mountains. 146 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:50.679 It was interesting. I just threw up a Facebook page and said, Hey, 147 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.159 if you've had an experience in the Blue Mountains, let me know. 148 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:58.919 And what was funny is our local newspaper guy was really into Bigfoot, so 149 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.720 he came and did a story on me, and then it got in the 150 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:05.960 newspaper, and then it ended up on the news wire, and then it 151 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.720 crashed our website because so many people submitting reports all over the nation. And 152 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.679 I'm like, oh, my gosh. But what had happened is after that 153 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.080 had been up for a few months, I got five reports from five different 154 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.759 people they didn't know each other, in the same area in the same week. 155 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:24.519 And I'm like, oh, guess where I need to be. You 156 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:30.159 know, I started hanging out in that area, hiking that area. I 157 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:35.000 did it every evening for about a week, and then I was going to 158 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.919 go out one night to go pike the area. And the funny thing was 159 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.279 is Hannah had a friend who her dad was having a birthday, and he 160 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.399 had never been big foot. He always interested in big but he wanted to 161 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.559 go out with me. So I had never met this guy before that day, 162 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.559 so I threw him in the truck with me. We took him out 163 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.240 there, and lo and behold, we saw a bigfoot. The first day. 164 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.000 He was in the woods looking for bigfoot. But I think that was 165 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.200 that's why I saw a big because I had a newbie with me. Pretty 166 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.720 sure, But no, what was happened When we were hiking a trail we 167 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.159 came across the smell. Now I had heard stories of it. I had 168 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:15.360 never experienced it in my life, but it is hard to explain. It's 169 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:20.120 just bad and it's almost gag you bad. And once I smelled at it, 170 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.519 I was fairly certain we were on target. And so we're looking around. 171 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.399 It's thick forest where we were at couldn't see anything. So I told 172 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.679 him, let's hike down the trail a little bit and maybe it'll follow us. 173 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.240 Or because it was drizzling a little bit, so I thought maybe it 174 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.679 was muddy, little muddy road we were on. Of course, the smell 175 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.200 went away, so I just turned around. We went went back into the 176 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.879 smell came back, so I just screamed off into the woods, probably the 177 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.679 dumbest thing in the world to do, and I just wont they know unto 178 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.879 the woods, and it mimicked me, almost exactly, made the same sound 179 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.840 I made back at me. And that's when we was able to locate it. 180 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.919 It was a couple hundred feet away a little opening in the trees. 181 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.519 I saw this head rocking side to side looking at me. I had my 182 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:11.559 camera ready to go. I pulled up. I got one picture and we 183 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.559 heard the whistle off in the woods and it turned walked away. So my 184 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.200 experience was about three seconds worth of sighting. But I did get the typical 185 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.879 blurry photo the bigfoot because my camera focused on the limbs in front of it, 186 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.080 not where it was standing behind it. It was almost forty foot behind 187 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.399 the tree. I did have a witness with me, and after that I 188 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.759 spent three days in that area. I crawled down off the It was on 189 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.240 a real steep hill to get down there where it was standing. We found 190 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.799 sixteen's footprints with nine ers footprints next to them, walking away from where it 191 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.919 was standing, so I actually have the footprints of where it was standing. 192 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.799 So I've got the blurry photograph, I got the footprints, no way to 193 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:58.240 record the smell. But I witnessed with me and we measured everything shot lasers 194 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:03.159 through trees. That's one of the thing working on archaeological dings my whole life, 195 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.360 and I know how to document stuff. So we got everything documented as 196 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.360 intricately as possible. So I got the footprints. I figured out it was 197 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.600 six foot tall where it was standing from the angle where my camera was. 198 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.440 So that was my experience. Came home at one o'clock in the morning and 199 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:24.159 shook her away, that said, florry picture. Let's go back to end 200 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.320 the moment when this is happening, because I've talked to so many people who 201 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:31.639 have had very similar experiences and seeing these things for the first time, even 202 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.840 if you're out looking for them, it's got to be one of those experiences 203 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.519 that I don't even know what the rush would be like, because I've been 204 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.679 in what I believe to be close proximity to these things up and Radium recently, 205 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.159 and I tell you it was a very scary thing for me to do 206 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:50.120 a night hike and go out six eight hundred yards into the woods away from 207 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.840 the campfire, away from base camp, surrounded by five other people, but 208 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.879 it didn't matter. I was shaking uncontrollably. Adrenaline was pumping. Did you 209 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.320 immediately know what you were looking at after the smell and then you saw this 210 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.000 thing from this distance? Just describe a little bit about what you were feeling 211 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.559 in that moment and what was going through your mind as a researcher saying, 212 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.559 holy shit, I'm finding what I've been looking for this whole time. Yeah, 213 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.799 there was definitely a holy shit moment and my brain was telling me you 214 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.799 need to slow down, you need to document this, put your science hat 215 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.759 on, come on, dude, and the rest of my body was just 216 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:30.360 shaken. It was like, no, I got to get this picture. 217 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:35.159 And I can understand why people get blurry pictures of these things because it changes 218 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:39.480 your pull outlook on the world. Basically, in an instant, I was 219 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:45.240 like, I am seeing what I've been looking for twenty five years and it's 220 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:46.840 right there and I got to see it for three seconds. And my brain 221 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:52.159 was telling me to slow down and document this, but my body wasn't going 222 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.159 to do that. It was like I was just so excited. I wasn't 223 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.240 scared, which is weird. I was just excited. I almost ran off 224 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.919 the hill to chase it, saying probably wouldn't have been a great idea, 225 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:04.320 but if it hadn't been like almost straight up and down, it probably would 226 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.840 have. It was different because I had been out there looking for a long 227 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.120 time, and I grew up in the woods. We lived in a little 228 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.480 cabin in the middle of the woods. I spent my whole life in there. 229 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.200 The woods don't scare me. I've run across a bear face to face 230 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:22.960 and stuff, so I wasn't scared. I guess I meant. I've had 231 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.120 other encounters later recently that I was like, we need to leave, But 232 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.519 that actual sighting and seeing it turn and walk away from me, I think 233 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:34.320 that was the helpful thing because it didn't stay there or bluff charge me or 234 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:38.120 anything like that. It was like it left. So I'm like, Okay, 235 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.080 it was more scared of me than I was of it, And but 236 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.240 I was. I don't know. It's like the whole gamut of emotions at 237 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.440 the same time, just trying to focus and gather the evidence I could. 238 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.960 But no, I wasn't actually scared, y'all. But Hannah, when this 239 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.840 guy comes home, and he's waking you up frantically. At one o'clock in 240 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:02.759 the morning, he showed picture what was going through your mind. Had you 241 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:07.000 already accepted the fact that these things were real before he had this experience or 242 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.240 was that the final nail in the coffin for you? I think before that 243 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:18.319 moment I was certainly open to the reality of it, because I had never 244 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.599 had anything remotely concrete, and my whole life I've been you know what, 245 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:29.079 there is far more mystery out there than there is concrete knowledge. And as 246 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:32.400 soon as we know something for sure, we opened a whole lot of doors 247 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.720 that we know nothing. So I was very open to the mystery of it. 248 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.680 My first reaction was turned the damn light off. I've got to get 249 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.759 up at five am. I will look at this another time. But I 250 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.920 think you stayed up all night looking at that. And I got up in 251 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.200 the morning, got ready for work, and he had me come down to 252 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.759 his setup and he had me look at the photos on the computer, and 253 00:17:53.799 --> 00:18:00.480 I was like, okay, so you just don't quite know where to go 254 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:04.160 with that. And I want to make a disclaimer. I'm not a natural 255 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.920 I don't have a lot of natural intelligence. I'm very intelligent, but not 256 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:14.960 as far as nature. That is always a learning skill for me. So 257 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.559 even looking at the pictures, I didn't know where to look or what to 258 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.240 look at, I say, so it took him some time to say, 259 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.960 okay, look here, look at that, and then oh, is that 260 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.160 a face? So I think the picture was the point where I said, 261 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.000 okay, it's no longer me having to be open to it. It was 262 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:40.319 me definitely saying there is definitely something out there. And I think at that 263 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:45.240 point I was far more supportive. Not that okay, I've had my moments 264 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.720 of not being very supportive in the past, and he was aforeheaded wonder, 265 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:55.119 but I think at that point I was far more supportive of him taking it 266 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.839 seriously. This is becoming more than a hobby. I tell people. Now, 267 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:04.359 that's where Sasquatch stole his soul right there. Never completely gotten him back. 268 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.640 I could definitely understand that, and that's one of the things that has 269 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:14.039 always compelled me about anecdotal experiences, like somebody coming back and saying, hey, 270 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:18.599 I saw this, and even if you have a photograph. We're still 271 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.200 debating some of those to this very day. We still talk about the Patterson 272 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.160 Gimlin film, we talk about the Paul Freeman footage. That's one of the 273 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:29.519 things I had doubts about the Paul Freeman footage for many years. I just 274 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.359 could not quite get there on whether that was a real creature. A couple 275 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:38.519 of things changed my mind about that. The enhancements that Doug Hicheck did and 276 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:44.759 Alex did on that footage where you can actually see the baby lift. It 277 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.599 was mind blowing to me. Why I had Michael Freeman Paul Freeman son on 278 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.759 the show. Michael sent that to me after we got off of our interview 279 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.160 that night, so I'd still not even seen it when I talked to him 280 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.240 at that point. Regardless, like I did, just see that footage and 281 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.000 it blew my mind, and I was like, oh, okay, it's 282 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.599 still one of those things that's iffy because there's plenty of people out there. 283 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.279 Oh yeah, I'm seeing the baby lift. It's nothing but a doll. 284 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.079 He's picking a doll up. The dude in the suit's picking a doll up 285 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.880 off a tree. Right. But what really put me over the edge and 286 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.559 firmly in the Paul Freeman camp was having a conversation with Michael his son. 287 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.440 Paul has obviously passed away in the early two thousands, so he's not around 288 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.960 to have those conversations anymore. But I'll tell you what pushed me over the 289 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.640 edge was very much what you just described. Paul came home from his trip 290 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.319 out into the woods. Michael was there with a friend of his who was 291 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:37.359 over. I guess it was during the summer or whatever. Paul Freeman was 292 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.559 so excited, beyond elated that he had captured this footage. He made those 293 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.559 kids sit there and Michael literally said, Brian, I thought we were going 294 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:51.079 to break the fricking tape because my dad kept watching it over and over again, 295 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:53.920 and he knew his dad better than any who knows you better than your 296 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.599 son or your daughter, your dad knowing your kids, and he knew at 297 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:02.720 that moment his dad had captured something very special. Once I had the conversation 298 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:04.200 with Michael, and I've since become friends with Michael, I know him very 299 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:10.079 well. I know he's not pulling my leg, and I certainly am comfortable 300 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:15.000 knowing now that Paul Freeman didn't hoax that footage. If he did hoax the 301 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.000 footage, why would he come home and act that way? With his child. 302 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:22.359 You don't hoax your kids. I don't think that he wasn't trying to 303 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.880 try the hoax out on his kid and his kid's friends, very much like 304 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:30.039 your store. Not that anybody has to try to validate anything, but I 305 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.519 think when you have that extra layer of credibility. He knew you had to 306 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.759 get up at five o'clock and I'm wanting to go to work. He looks 307 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.440 like a very intelligent man, probably knows it wasn't in his best interest to 308 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.880 shake you away to turn I don't at one am unless he had something special. 309 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.359 So that just adds to that little layer of credibility that honestly you don't 310 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:53.960 get in a lot of anecdotal situations like that. I'm very glad that he 311 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.559 woke you up at one o'clock in the morning, but in retrospect, I'm 312 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.480 sure you probably are too. It wasn't great at the I've been in that 313 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.519 situation. It's not fun to be woken up at one o'clock when you've got 314 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:04.880 to be up so earl. Just for people who are listening to this, 315 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.799 I think that's one of the things that I certainly look for in these kind 316 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:14.319 of situations is how does the person react. Is it a natural reaction to 317 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.119 having that kind of experience, and I certainly think that is. You mentioned 318 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:21.160 other experiences, Scott. Obviously you said you weren't scared, so you went 319 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.759 back out in the woods. How long did it take you after that initial 320 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:29.240 experience to have any other experiences with these tucks? And stay tuned for more 321 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:36.200 sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages, oh, 322 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:41.599 five six years. Say, we're luckier than most bigfoot groups. I think 323 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:47.279 because we have one hundred people part of our group, as we're a national 324 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.400 group, Nick drew over the last five years or so, we have a 325 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:52.440 lot of people in the woods, and we also have a website where people 326 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.680 cement reports. And since we travel full time in an RV, when we 327 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.119 get a bunch of reports in a certain area, we'll travel to that part 328 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.319 of the country and just hang out there for a month or two. So 329 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.920 I have a little bit of an advantage that way over other people who just 330 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.400 are going out to their spot once a week or so. We have found 331 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:18.000 footprints probably once a year somewhere in the country, and that's just because of 332 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:22.200 reports and stuff we get. We do have one of our researchers who is 333 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.119 in the Crater Lake, Oregon area, which is a very hot spot. 334 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.440 In fact, the place we hang out there is called Wind to Go Pass. 335 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.640 Just this last summer we stay what seven days. There are cameras seven 336 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:41.880 days camping in this area, and stuff happened every night. It was creepy 337 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.640 to hear stuff walking around your camp at one o'clock in the morning, which 338 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.200 is weird. There's a theory that they avoid trail cameras. I've never got 339 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.119 one on any of my trail cameras. So we do put trail cameras out, 340 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.559 but we tape over the ir because I think they can see it. 341 00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:00.880 But we also put out just those cheap dollars store motion lights that you can 342 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.640 get, the solar powered motion lights, and we put them next to our 343 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.799 cameras. If it does trigger it, the light will come on and the 344 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:14.279 camera will have some light to collect something. But we were just hanging out 345 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.599 the campfire, which I think is the best thing to do. You just 346 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:19.559 hang out in the campfire and wait let them come to you because you're not 347 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:23.279 going to sneak up on them. So we're hanging out, bussing around the 348 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:26.519 campfire, and then lights in the woods, and we put them about two 349 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.440 hundred yards off in the woods quite a way a way. We see lights 350 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.799 start popping off down in the woods. I'm like, oh crap, something's 351 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:40.000 triggering the cameras down there. So we jumped up and used the thermals and 352 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:45.039 did all the stuff. I did think we caught a blurry thermal photo. 353 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.880 But to have that something crunching around the woods and we're hearing these weird like 354 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:55.039 fog horn calls, I had never even heard that described by anybody before. 355 00:24:55.440 --> 00:25:00.480 We'd all around us that night. I got a little word like, I 356 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:02.279 hear it over here, and I hear it over here, and I hear 357 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:03.799 stuff down there, I hear stuff behind us. I'm like, are we 358 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.400 in the kill zone? You know? Here? I don't know that one. 359 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.160 I was getting a little shaky. But what had happened was we had 360 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:17.359 also we had got a bunch of flat rocks off the beach and took them 361 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.680 up in the mountains and had stacked them in little pyramids on stumps out in 362 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:27.440 the woods. And after that experience that night, we found a couple of 363 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:33.359 our stacks of rocks had been rearranged. Then one of the flat rocks had 364 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:38.440 been picked up, turned sideways and jammed like a hatchet into the top of 365 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:42.400 the stump. We left that there. The next night we went back and 366 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:47.079 something had pounded it all the way down into the stump. I don't think 367 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.799 bears can do that. And then we found an eight inch footprint next to 368 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:53.720 the stump there too. I think we had a juvenile messing with us all 369 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:57.279 that weekend. That was the other experience, but that was five years from 370 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:02.480 my first one. I want to go back to the first experience that you 371 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:04.400 had and talk a little bit about the two sets of footprints. You said 372 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.240 what you saw was six feet in high. Do you think that was the 373 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:11.880 smaller one or do you think there was a bigger one there? Given in 374 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.799 retrospect what you experienced and then what you were able to go back and ascertain 375 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.960 through your investigation, what do you think was going on there? Do you 376 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.400 think it was maybe a mother in a juvenile, maybe a male and a 377 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.759 juvenile. I know it's objective, but you've got to have thoughts about that. 378 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.880 What do you think was going on in that situation? Yeah? I 379 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.319 do think there were actually I think there were three, to be honest with 380 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.359 you, because we found the two footprints from where they were standing. But 381 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.839 we heard that whistle off in the woods to our left, cartaways away. 382 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.599 So what I think it was is again a juvenile. And I think that's 383 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.799 when most people have experience as juvenile's messing up, because I think the adults 384 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.640 are smarter than that. So when I saw the one, we even back 385 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.119 and forth and I got that one photo. We heard this swhistle off of 386 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.880 the woods and it turned to walk towards a whistle. But after fighting the 387 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.799 footprints there we found the big ones and the small ones. I'm pretty sure 388 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.000 the six foot one was the nine is footprints. I'm almost sure that was 389 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:12.839 a juvenile. And then later on I actually was showing my photo. We 390 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:18.039 were at a conference and we were with the gal the sheequatchers, and I 391 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:22.400 was showing the photo and one of the gals said, there's one standing behind 392 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.279 the one you got a picture of it. I'm like, what, I'd 393 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.640 looked at that for four years. I've always focused on that one, and 394 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.559 I started looking closer. I'm like, I could be kind of thing. 395 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:38.640 And then just last year I got somebody who was really good at photo enhancing 396 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.400 and took my photo and enhanced it, and sure enough, there was one 397 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:48.079 standing behind it. You can see it plain as day. Once we got 398 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.880 the photo enhanced, and I didn't see one. I saw two, but 399 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:55.720 I only saw one, but there was two of them standing there. I 400 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.240 didn't see the other ones standing behind it. It was standing still, blended 401 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:03.319 in whatever, but the camera did. And then I actually took her back 402 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.920 after she got off worked and picked day. We went back up there and 403 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.880 she saw the footprints and she helped me cast them, so that kind of 404 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.759 convinced her a little bit more. What I saw there when we were looking 405 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:21.559 at the footprints is because this whole encounter happened on a really seep cut bank. 406 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.640 That you have the lower portion where they were, and then the road 407 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:27.559 where they were walking, and then there was more hill going up the other 408 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:33.200 side. When we were investigating, these creatures crossed the road, so we 409 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.920 were casting on the upper hill where they were, and there were you could 410 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:42.279 see nine inch and the fifteen inch next to each other. There were three 411 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:47.559 of the adults, assuming it was the adult, and then there were two 412 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.960 from the smaller prints. And after the second smaller print, you saw this 413 00:28:52.160 --> 00:29:00.359 drag mark. Now my background is in clinical social work and behavioral science stuff 414 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.319 like that, and when I saw that, it was like, oh, 415 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:11.400 I see what happened here? Junior wasn't keeping up. Mom grabbed him by 416 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.599 the ear. And that's actually what excites me about this research is looking at 417 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:21.920 how much information you can get from five tracks in a drag mark. What 418 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:25.240 does that say about them? It says that they are very much primates, 419 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:30.400 probably more human than not. And so just by studying primate behavior you can 420 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.599 see a lot of what they do. But it really flushed out for me 421 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:40.519 their level of consciousness, their level of intention, and I started to get 422 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:47.319 excited about it. That's where I started associating with his bigfoot staff, and 423 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.920 it was exciting to me. By the time he went on the road full 424 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.640 time. I think everybody in our town had enough of me. But you 425 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.480 just go do your big foot thing. I love it. Have you had 426 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:02.200 other experiences? I'm curious about the common things that you hear, the wood 427 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:07.599 knocks, the vocalizations, the tree structures, formations, x's full crumbs, 428 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.440 those kind of things. Are you getting reports from people in these areas that 429 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.440 are experiencing things like that. And have you seen or heard or experienced any 430 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.160 of that stuff when you guys have been out there, Yeah, all of 431 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.119 the above. Yeah, we get a lot of stuff sent to us. 432 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.400 We got a gal who's part of our group in Vermont actually cast a thirteen 433 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.759 inch print and she sent it to us, and it's a cripple foot. 434 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.640 I took it to doctor Jeff and we compared it to the original cripple foot 435 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:41.160 casts and it matches exactly. It's just smaller and the opposite foot, but 436 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.240 it has the same problem, the same morphology. We found that. I 437 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:51.559 actually had a Native American and the yu Matilla tribe in Oregon it contacted me 438 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:57.240 and he said he had been where he hunts his hunting ground last October hunting 439 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:02.279 deer, and then he came back at early spring to do mushroom hunting in 440 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.440 the same area and found this tree structure that wasn't there in October. So 441 00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.599 we went and checked that out and it was like a dome, like an 442 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:15.359 igloo shape with a floor with a floor in it, like a furbo floor. 443 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.200 Yeah, and I thought a person could have done this. It was 444 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:25.160 fourteen feet around and five feet tall. I mean it only had an opening 445 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:26.960 up towards the top of it, a smaller opening, and I thought that's 446 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.039 weird. But we checked every limb in that whole structure and none of them 447 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.319 were cut. They were all broken off, some of them four inches around, 448 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:41.720 tree branches broken in half. We found a three inch fir tree woven 449 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.079 into this, and then they were woven too. It wasn't just piled on 450 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.599 each other. They were woven together. But we found a three inch fur 451 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.160 tree that still had the root ball on it. It had been pulled out 452 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.880 of the ground riots and all woven into the structure. Yeah, and I'm 453 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.759 like, I can't pull weeds out of the garden. I'm not going to 454 00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:02.759 pull a three inch for TT. So that one was really interesting. And 455 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.519 trees had been pushed over to build a fence around this all the way around, 456 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:15.079 and I'm thinking it's possibly. My conclusion was, I think it's a 457 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.960 playpen or a nursery that they build to put their babies in while they go 458 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.119 out and do stuff. So we did find that. That was a couple 459 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.279 of years ago. And actually we had a pretty interest and we were looking 460 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.359 at this tree structure and we had our dog with us, so we have 461 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.880 this fond hope that one day she'll be a really good kidabr dog and be 462 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.480 able to help us in our squatch efforts. So far, she's just a 463 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:38.960 pain in the ass. But we had her dog and she got loose. 464 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.799 She's a runner. I'm busy trying to find our dog while they're trying to 465 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.000 do this investigation. And all of a sudden, we heard yipping up the 466 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.519 mountain and we knew that there were coyotes in the area. Our dog is 467 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.440 gone because as we knew her well enough to know, she's going to go 468 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.200 after those and it's going to be all her and things, and he's a 469 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.160 gonner, and so we abandoned the tree structure, even the guy that was 470 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:10.599 with us, And as we started following those yips, we started hearing tree 471 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:17.440 knocks over by where the structure was. The closer we got to the yips, 472 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.039 the more we heard knocks where the structure was, And finally we said, 473 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.000 we've got to go see figure out what's going on there. We got 474 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.559 back to the tree structure. We didn't see anything there, but at that 475 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:36.480 point in time, the yipping stopped, and then our dog came back. 476 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.880 We got back to the truck and we started just for fun. Scott grabbed 477 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.160 his he keeps a baseball bat in the truck, and he grabbed it and 478 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.880 he just gave a tree a really good whack, and out in the distance 479 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.559 in the opposite direction, we heard a whoop back. It's the weirdest thing. 480 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:58.920 I am a trained singer. I got on my little look there and 481 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.000 we went back and for this, and we did our research. There were 482 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:05.720 four wheelers in the area. We knew there were, and so you know, 483 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.280 we went and saw where the four wheel trails were. The whoops were 484 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:13.920 coming from the opposite direction where there were no trails. Probably for about forty 485 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.239 five minutes, we went back and forth the other sound, getting further and 486 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.960 further away every time. It was very interesting. I was like, will 487 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:27.920 you come away from that kind of thing you're going. I'm not quite sure 488 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.880 what happened there, but something happened. I think perhaps I don't know, 489 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.800 this was just me, you know what, whatever happened there, the dog 490 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:42.039 came back. That's it. The whole thing was about the damn dog messing 491 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.840 everything up again. But it was an interesting thing to get because before the 492 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.360 dog got away and before we went on this wild goose chase going towards the 493 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.039 coyote ips and we hadn't had any indicators that anything else was in the area. 494 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.639 It was only after the dog escaped that this started happening. It was 495 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.519 a weird, weird It was a weird day. Yeah, it's very interesting 496 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:08.719 because I'd never experienced any wood knocks here on our property in North Carolina until 497 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.440 I don't know, it's probably been two or three months ago. I'm horrible 498 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.119 with time frames, but I imagine I've talked about it on the show before, 499 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.559 so whenever I started talking about it two or three months ago, and 500 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:23.800 it only happened after I found the very first print on our property. It 501 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.679 was after a hike. It was probably two or three days afterwards. I 502 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.760 go out to do what we do in the middle of the woods at three 503 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.440 o'clock in the morning, off the porch, I hear what sounds like four 504 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:38.840 power knocks off in the distance over the ridge behind us, and I thought, 505 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.400 that's really interesting. If you know the area that I live in, 506 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.599 there's nobody up at three o'clock in the morning, number one, and they're 507 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.960 certainly not going to be knocking on anything. So I filed it away and 508 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.880 said, that's interesting. It could have been a wood knock. Now in 509 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.119 retrospect, having heard what I believe to be authentic wood knocks and radium, 510 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.079 it sounded very similar. Let me ask you when you guys are hearing this, 511 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.719 and I know you said the baseball bat. I have a baseball bat 512 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.000 that I've used to do knocks here on the property. When I was in 513 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.400 radium, Todd had I guess theory would be the right word. Or he 514 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.599 thought or thinks that sasquatch aren't using wood on wood. They're using the combination 515 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.159 of like mouth pops, which I was doing a couple of times and got 516 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:25.480 responses myself, and using rocks on trees. You're nodding, So is that 517 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.719 kind of where you guys are at? Is that where you're hearing and what 518 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:34.519 you think you're experiencing. Absolutely? Yeah. I came to pruss that conclusion 519 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.000 quite a few years ago. From what we've heard in tree knocks over the 520 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.440 years. It's got to be rocks. They're hitting trees with rocks. Is 521 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.320 wood on wood isn't going to have that kind of resonance? Yeah? And 522 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.800 possibly rock clacking completely rock on rock, Yeah, because that will have a 523 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.800 different resonance. Wood on wood just doesn't it doesn't doesn't make a sound like 524 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:59.280 that. Yeah. And one of the things that was very interesting we were 525 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:05.159 hanging out with Shane Corson from the Olympic Project and the Olympic Project that had 526 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.920 found all these nests, these woven nests. One of the nests they found 527 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:15.320 two big rocks in it that weren't from the area, and he had them 528 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.880 with him at one of the conferences we were together at and I got the 529 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.079 look at him. And one of the things we do when we were doing 530 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:27.119 Native American archaeology, digging up ancient sites and stuff, we would find rocks 531 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:31.039 that they used to make arrowheads and stuff with. And one of the things 532 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:35.000 we always did is just pick up the rock and roll it round to your 533 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.800 hand and see where it fit, because they would pick rocks that felt good, 534 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.800 and these rocks felt good to be able to put in my hands, 535 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.039 and you could see the scratch marks where they had been clacked together. I'm 536 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:50.679 pretty sure that they kept those in the nests. Just when a bigfoot goes 537 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.800 out away from the nest and he gets lost, he hits a tree, 538 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.320 somebody else, blocks of rocks Oh, you're over there. I'm gonna that's 539 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.320 the direction I needed to go. Yeah, dumb ass, we're over here. 540 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.719 One of the things that have come up so many times on the show, 541 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.400 and especially somebody who's been looking into this as long as you have, 542 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.679 Scott and obviously Hannah you've been on board now for quite a few years, 543 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.239 is the WU and the high strangeness that comes along with some of the stories. 544 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.719 Are you guys hearing a lot of that? Because I had conversations with 545 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.880 Clif Brrickman about and cliffs like No, probably one to three percent of the 546 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.559 stories and the encounters that they hear at the Bigfoot Center and he hears as 547 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:34.079 he's traveling around and doing speaking engagements and things like that may include something that 548 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.199 would be considered WU or high strangeness, Whereas I'm probably twenty percent, maybe 549 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:44.880 twenty five percent of the encounter stories it's maybe in conjunction with or sometimes it's 550 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:49.840 simultaneously orbes turning into things and those kind of things. Hey, are you 551 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.199 experiencing any of the high strangeness when you guys have been out in the woods 552 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:59.840 and or are you getting reports enough to even mention in the statistics that would 553 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:06.119 be considered high strangeness are woo that's in conjunction with sasquatching activity or encounters. 554 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.719 I would say it's a very small amount, and the ones we get, 555 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.079 I don't know, maybe because people know I'm an anthropologist and they don't even 556 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.360 share it with me. Though I did have one lady tell me that she 557 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.559 was having sex with bigfoot for five years. I'm like, oh, okay, 558 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.679 you can get me some DNA. Huh. But no, it's a 559 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:30.000 very small amount. Now, some of the Native American stories, like the 560 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.079 Miewok tribe, I worked with them probably the most in my career. Kathy 561 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.400 and I both have worked with the Miewok tribe a lot. You worked at 562 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.639 the northern and she worked at the southern, so a lot of the Miewok 563 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.360 stories that she has and I have are similar. But I also worked a 564 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.320 lot with the Nesberst tribe up here and they have a lot of Bigfoot legends. 565 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:54.039 The Seven Devils area in Oregon, there's a place called Seven Devils. 566 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:59.079 There's like these seven mountains, and the legend is those are actually Bigfoot that 567 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.639 work tricked into turning into mountains back in the day. And stay tuned for 568 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:10.800 more sasquatch out to sea. We'll be right back after these messages. So 569 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.880 I've got a lot of those legends. But I've got three pictographs that nobody 570 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.920 has ever seen with Bigfoot stories on them, and they have a legend wherever 571 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:27.440 Bigfoot goes, a light follows. And then it wasn't up until when we 572 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:34.320 were in Leavenworth. It was just about six months. It was June July 573 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.280 sometime, feels like a lifetime. We were up in the mountains outside of 574 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:45.199 Leavenworth, Washington, and I was getting ready to crawl into the tent and 575 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.519 I looked out in the forest and I saw a light and I said, 576 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.960 who's out there with a flashlight walking around? Because we had a hiked down 577 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.440 off the hill where that was, and it went probably two three hundred yards 578 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.760 and then there was a cliff and so you had to go through our camp 579 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.559 to get out there. I'm like, that's weird. So I held up 580 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.039 my phone and I started just filming this light in the woods out there, 581 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.760 and it would move and then it would disappear, and then it would come 582 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.440 back on over here and it would move back and it would disappear, and 583 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.400 then it would streak across the through the trees and stop and I'm like, 584 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.480 no way. So what I did was I scratched out the ground where I 585 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.880 was standing. So I went back the next day and held my phone because 586 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:31.960 I'd put it up against my chest so I knew where it was at. 587 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.519 So I held my phone in the same place, stood in the same thing, 588 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:40.000 and took a picture. And there's no way there was anything. It 589 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:45.719 was just thick forest right there, so there was nothing behind it. And 590 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.880 again it was on the side of a hill. It was downhill, so 591 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.519 there wasn't anyone camping there having fun with the laser lighters. Yeah, yeah, 592 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.960 it was no one there. So I've had that one weird experience. 593 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.559 I don't know, but as far as a lot of the stuff goes, 594 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.880 I have a weird theory about it because going to these conferences and things. 595 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.239 Some of the conferences we go to are like, I have bigfoot, people 596 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.519 have UFO people have the ghost hunting people. And I got to thinking about 597 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:14.199 one day we were talking about some of these ghost hunters and they were showing 598 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.239 me some of their evidence that they collected, and I said, I wonder 599 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.159 if the woo stuff are ghost bigfoot, that could an account for a lot 600 00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.599 of stuff I don't know, but uh, lots of a multi genre. 601 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.320 That is a rabbit hole I've never went down. Thank you for that, 602 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.360 Scott, and I'm gonna go down to We've mentioned it a couple of times. 603 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.079 You guys have talked about your website, You've talked about your group. 604 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.000 I think you guys have a YouTube channel. Let's talk about all the stuff. 605 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.760 Where can people find you? Where can they find you stuff? How 606 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.239 can they send you a report? How can they get in contact with you? 607 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:50.599 Guys? Hey, our website is Squatchamerica dot com. Very simple. 608 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.920 We have a contact form there, We have a report form. Our email 609 00:42:54.039 --> 00:43:00.000 is just as simple, squatch America at gmail dot com. Our YouTube channel 610 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.480 is squatch America on YouTube. We keep it really grand consistent, and we 611 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.559 respond to everything. If you email us, we will respond. If you 612 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:13.519 send us squatch America on Facebook, will you message us? We will usually 613 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.840 respond. Those are probably the hardest messages to stay on top of the Facebook 614 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:22.559 one. Yeah, but honestly, best bad is squatch America gmail dot com. 615 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.559 We check that neurotically, so that's the best way for people to get 616 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.119 a hold of us. But people sent. I think our website has our 617 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.719 phone number on it, so people call us, they can text message us. 618 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.480 We really try to stay available, and that's one of the things that 619 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:43.960 when we went nation well, actually even before we went nationwide, we really 620 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:49.760 place a lot of value in the relationships with people that we developed. Yesterday, 621 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.800 we were on another show with someone and who asked us, there's so 622 00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.039 much angst and just nastiness in the Bigfoot community, and we walk away from 623 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:07.039 that just as strongly as Bigfoot walked away from the Ojibwat. We don't have 624 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.960 anything to do with that. Our philosophy is everybody has a piece of the 625 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.199 big puzzle, and if we would all put them together, we're going to 626 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.800 have a much better picture of this. So we really value relationships with people. 627 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.000 And we are squatch Americans. We are one big tribe of people going 628 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.519 after the same goal. Yeah, and she's more WO than I am, 629 00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:34.760 so well, I am not WU. Actually my thought on WU is, 630 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.800 like I said at the beginning, there's way more mystery out there than we 631 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:43.079 can even comprehend. And the things we call WU, the things that we 632 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.760 call magic, the things that we call supernatural, it's just science. We 633 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.960 don't understand. Yet I truly believe that the deeper we go there are some 634 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.360 who will disagree with me. That's okay, knock yourselves out. But the 635 00:44:54.440 --> 00:45:00.320 deeper we go into understanding quantum physics, the deeper the rabbit holes going to 636 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.239 get. But just it's going to open up so much of our understanding as 637 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.440 to what the nature of reality is. And it's far bigger than we could 638 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.440 ever possibly imagine. She's got a master's in social work and she worked for 639 00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:19.519 Child protect Services and her expertise in therapy was in trauma, trauma and personality 640 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.679 to sort ordership. And I think, honestly, when you're talking about mental 641 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.199 health issues, even last night, we were talking to the whole topic of 642 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:32.960 what species do to ensure their survival. When you're thinking about survival and if 643 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:39.119 you're talking about people today, we have just spent the last three years being 644 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:46.639 globally traumatized. No matter where on the conspiracy spectrum you are, our species, 645 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:52.960 humanity has been under collective trauma for at least three years, probably a 646 00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.079 lot longer than that. And my opinion, and I think it's a very 647 00:45:55.199 --> 00:46:00.239 educated opinion, is that most human beings right now are coming from a place 648 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.920 of unresolved trauma in just about every area of their life, and that can 649 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:08.199 manifest in so many different ways, so many different ways. It just gives 650 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:13.039 me chills to think about. I always wondered how my social work education. 651 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.599 I'm a trained social worker and I'm a trained musician. It's like, how 652 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.239 is all this going to help it? And so far it's been pretty awesome. 653 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.559 How it's played into that very well said everybody, go check it out. 654 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.679 I will have all the links in the show notes you guys, go 655 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.840 check out. Scott and Hannah show him some love. Thank you guys so 656 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.440 much for coming on and talking to me and sharing your experiences of haw a 657 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.800 blast talking to you. Oh, thank you, thanks for having us. 658 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:39.840 It was fun. They say, you don't have to go home, but 659 00:46:40.079 --> 00:47:15.079 you can't stay. I want to step step Joy this child, that chart 660 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:21.280 everything, call me, ride back, right back, Joy for me, 661 00:47:22.320 --> 00:48:05.679 Joy staying right you call it right away? Still still stay fast, sat 662 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:38.719 down to dotsass still stassess things used these things