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everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you all doing. I'm

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Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Chronicles podcast. We've done it off tonight

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with Diana in London. Back in
the night nineteen sixties. While driving early

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one morning along a country road in
Cornwall, she witnessed a dark oval shaped

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object emerging from a wooded area and
fly across the road about fifty feet in

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front of her car, flying below
telegraph wires and dropping behind a stone wall

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into a valley and out of sight. Then we hear from g Mann in

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Arizona about an early abduction in his
childhood and a visit from the FBI after

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sending a debtor to the late John
F. Kennedy. Diana is up next,

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Now on with the show. Hello Diana

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and welcome to the podcast. Hello
Nick, it is lovely to have you

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with us today and you're calling from
London in the UK. Yes, I

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am indeed. Now a quick shout
out to your son Justin, who put

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me in contact with you about something
that happened back in the nineteen sixties.

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Would you like to start the beginning
please, ma'am. Yeah, sure,

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yes. Actually I was trying to
think of the year and it was either

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nineteen sixty four or nineteen sixty five. I was trying to sort of get

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different things in my mind in place, but it was a bit tricky.

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So anyway, it was easier of
those years. And the month was June.

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That's when my husband, well who
was to become my husband, obviously

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he was just my boyfriend. Then
we decided we'd like to go to Cornwall

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on holiday and edited Tintagile, which
is a lovely, lovely place, and

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we were there and we did a
few sort of outings here and there,

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and then on one particular morning I
believe actually it was a Sunday morning,

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we thought we'd have a trip to
Lawnstone, which is I don't know,

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I think it might be about twenty
miles away or so. I think there

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was a castle or something. My
house and wanted to see there was something

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historic anyway that he wanted to have
a look at. So I think we

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had I think we left probably about
nine o'clock in the morning. We took

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an a road, so a very
nice, sort of fairly straight road that

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went from Tintagile to Lawnston. The
road was extremely quiet. We hardly well

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barely came across any other traffic in
either direction, and so we were going

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along. The weather was fine.
It wasn't overcast or anything like that.

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It was quite nice, bright weather. And on one side of the road

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was very very thick, dense sort
of forestry commission trees, so you know,

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not like just an ordinary woodland,
very sort of densely sort of planted.

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And on the other side of the
road there was a sort of an

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old, quite low, long stone
wall. But at the time we were

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in a bubble car, very bright
yellow, humble car, so in that

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position we certainly couldn't see over that
wall, even though it was quite low.

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And along Also, i'm not sure
they were at the front of the

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back of the wall were telegraph poles, you know, situated, you know,

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so different distances from each other.
So that was sort of the scene,

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and so we were coming along a
very straight bit the curves or anything,

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and about talking about this, and
it probably was going by my own

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house and garden and sort of rough
sort of size. Probably the road probably

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was about I don't know, thirty
thirty but wide and about one hundred and

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fifty feet thereabouts. In front of
us. As we were driving, emerging

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from this dense woodland, came this
object, for it's all part of it.

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It moved from glided across. It
was about a dark dark color.

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Nowhere to say whether it was even
at the time I remember when we talked

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about it. We don't know whether
it was a dark brown or black.

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It was just very very dark in
color. It moved across the road,

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taking up at one point as it
crossed the whole width of the road,

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it passed under the actual wire of
the telegraph poles. They're just those old

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fashioned wooden telegraph poles, so not
good high but not really really ever so

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high and low to the round as
well, and it went very quietly,

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just moved across, and we were
The shape of it was like a rugby

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ball sort of shape, had no
distinguishing features that we could really, you

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know, not's it all and that
was it. It went over. I

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actually said to John at the time, I said, oh, come,

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let's you know, let's stop,
and so we could get out and look

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over that wall. But unfortunately he
just didn't. He well he didn't want

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to do that until he put his
foot down and we've sort of moved its

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speed away. But we would have
seen because on that side, on the

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other weatherstone wall was that was bodmin
More and that dipped down, so that

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was like I sort of went into
a sort of a bit of a valley

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and that would have been a huge
area. Of course there's some more ears

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and we would have had a really
good view obviously of anything that we've seen

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going across. But yes, that
that really was was, Yes, the

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incident that happened. At the time, did actually write it down everything between

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us, we sort of wrote down
of what we could remember. Yes,

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so nothing that there was no sort
of we were shocked. I mean that's

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really the word we've just tried to
make out. You try to figure out

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you're looking at something you can make
head nor tail of the fact that not

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only had emerged from this dense sort
of forest, but it's it's not very

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far from the from the road,
you know, it's only a bit up

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and it's actually going underneath. Why, it was very very well, just

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surreal, really, I suppose.
I mean that's the word. It gets

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used a lot, but that's what
it is. That's the very right description.

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And I think actually we heard.
I think well John had heard because

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he was always listening to the news, but I think on that same day

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or certainly the day after, but
not in the daytime. Remember this was

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full daytime, simply to tade something
in their car. This was up in

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the This was sort of I think
more in even it was in the sky.

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It wasn't sort of blow down.
So yeah, so that's more or

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less, isn't it. Really?
That sounds you know, but there was

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no strange feeling or anything in that
sense. There was no sort of just

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shock at what we've seen, just
couldn't believe what it was and tried to

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make sense of it, but we
just couldn't. We couldn't make sense of

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it at all. Interest there must
have been quite a shock seeing that,

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Yes it was, because it was
it was just how low it was and

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how big it was, and it
just was soundless. It just was no,

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wouldn't hear anything at all, and
it just moved in a very sort

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of regal way just across across,
you know, it wasn't I think it

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went total. I would say it
was about three seconds, which doesn't sound

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long, but it felt with the
one Mississippi bit, yeah, going coming

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out and going across and just fearing
it's yeah. And I must say,

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over the years, when I've checked
different things, I've never actually seen anyone

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give anything similar to that. Ever. I mean, I don't know because

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when you look at different or when
I've learn about different sightings people have had.

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I know, what we saw,
as I say, it was a

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rugby shape, but of course something
can be. You can turn turn it

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around and it's a It's a different
shape, isn't it. You know,

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people can see cigar shapes, and
yet it's not that at all. It's

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something more, you know, more
oval in shape when it changes directions.

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So I don't know what I what
we saw was rugby ball, you know,

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But yes, I can see it's
still very clearly in my mind's eye.

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It gets It's like a photograph that
you can just you know, pull

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up and see everything. The whole
scene quite quite clearly. Yeah, yes,

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so yeah, so quite like a
like an oval shape. Yes,

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I suppose you'd say that a sort
of slightly flattened oval yes, yeah,

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no, no, not flattened really, no oval shape, it was that,

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yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I'd imagine it must have shadowed

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your your little yellow beetle. Oh, well, as I say it was

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about it was probably it was about
one hundred and fifty feet away from us,

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so as we were coming along one
hundred approximately that, which is what

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about fifty meters, Yeah, but
being so big because you know it,

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you know, I suppose I was
looking suddenly at a great, big lorry

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coming out of big forest, you
know it sort of couldn't sort of have

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it did look and see if we
can see anything similar that people had seen.

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But you know, and I know
that God men more at the time,

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or for quite a number of years
actually afterwards, there used to be

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of different stuff. But I never
saw anything really that or described anything that

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sounded like what we'd seen. And
so, yeah, so that it would

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have come from your left, would
it come from your left? Came came

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to the right. The forest was
on the right hand side, and it

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wasn't a forest that was set back
at all from the road. It was

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you know, there was the forest, there was a little very small patch

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of grassy bit, and then there
was the road. So and likewise the

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stone wall on the other side there
was just a wall and then a little

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bit of grass and then the road. So the road was you know,

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taking up the hole that whole wait, really yes, and it just and

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how could it have come out of
that? You know, trees that are

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so close together, I mean that
really baffled us. We couldn't make that

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out at all, because because we
were obviously on holiday for a couple of

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weeks. I think at a later
date we took that road again and of

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course you know, we're looking more
closely now at the actual forest, and

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it was just dense. How nothing
big really come out of that? It

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was you know, that was weird. That was weird, and so precisely

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going under I mean a big object
to go under under a telegraph and not

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and not touch the ground wasn't touching
the ground at all, but not far

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up from the ground, only a
few feet. I mean, yeah,

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what could have been I mean,
I guessing a farmer's tractor was definitely out

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of it. Because well, they
don't across the road. No, we

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saw plenty of those, plenty of
tractors and for the things. And this

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was back in the sixties, so
the rest of men were much quieter,

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and there wasn't you didn't see quite
certainly in somewhere like cornwall and that part

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of cornwall or cornwall, so you
didn't see any an many heavy vehicles at

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all. No, No, this
wasn't a vehicle. This was an object.

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And I identified objects wouldn't be identified. Well, it's dark, that's

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type shape. It is something that's
reported you know quite quite a lot,

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believe it or not. Yeah,
sape, yes, yes, but would

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it have been looked different from another
angle? But I wondered, like,

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this is it? Yeah, this
is it? Egg shaped objects? You

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get that, I get that quite
a lot. And there's a lot of

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ones from the from the seventies and
eighties that pop up again from that kind

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of area in Whales, and so
I've had quite a few of them.

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Yes, Yes, we used to
go on holiday there too, but we

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didn't see anything there. No,
that that was really the only very very

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startling sort of episode that I've ever
had. Yeah, but yes, to

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that degree, I've had lesser ones, but nothing like that. As I

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say, it's just just as keeps
a picture in my mind, you know,

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just to recall. Yeah, when
you see something even though it was

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so, you know, quite a
while ago now and it's still so clear

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clear. Yeah, I can see
very very clearly the whole setting. Yeah,

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but I don't know one of those
you know, unexplained things, isn't

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it. I wonder if you would
if the car had been stopped and you

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get had the chance to look over
that wall. Yeah, as well,

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Yes, that's what I want to
do, even though I was a bit

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scared. There's something overwhelming curiosity.
I suppose, as I say, charm

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you know, my husband did well, he became my husband. He might

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just don't want to stop. Perhaps
he thought, you know, he might

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take it away. I don't know, because remember this was in the days

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of I think the American couple Betty
and Varney who are on their journey over

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the Rocky Mountains got well apparently so
they got abdupted. So I don't know

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whether that was. That was in
the sixties, so I don't know whether

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he was sprinking something like that.
But anyway, we didn't it's a change.

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We would have had a fantastic view
of it, you know, over

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those moors, But there we go. That never happened. Absolutely. See,

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sometimes things are better left the way
they are, and you know they

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are and you're and you're left with
this memory of some unexplained occurrence. Yes,

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yeah, that's it. Will it
Will these things ever be explained?

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Really hopefully, you know, perhaps
they will? Well, the reports,

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the reports come in daily. I
get contacted by so many people that have

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had strange experiences like this. So
not just about UFOs, but you know

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all types. Yeah, Marv,
just job you do, then, don't

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you just enjoy this? I do
enjoy it. It's a it's a very

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busy job, as you could imagine, but yeah, it's quite It's a

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widely listened to show. You know, we listen to all over the world.

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Well I just start listening to it
now, we Well, we don't

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just do UFOs, you know,
we do all sorts. Would you look,

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everything from the paranormal to you know, we have some instance of the

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occult and body experiences, anything that's
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Yes, yeah, all right,
okay, I'll bear that in mind.

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Oh my list wonderful. Dan,
thank you for sharing that today. Okay,

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thank you. I really appreciate you
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Yeah, thank you very much.
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to thank you very much for having
me on showing a pleasure and it'll be

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my first time telling my story and
concise order. So my story actually starts

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when I was three years old.
I was adopted or finage in ill Illinois,

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and I went through a great deal
of abuse. So there was this

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one there who used to punch me
and then knows every day, you know.

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So I was kind of down abuse
at a very early age and then

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I was adopted by these people who
were divorced twice before and who both had

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severe drinking problems, and so it
was kind of a dicey childhood. But

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I was abducted when I was five. I was asleep when my nists in

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Northern a quarter mile from Lake Erie. I remember laying in bed and I

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saw this red light flashing in my
room off the wall through the window.

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There were two east windows about six
feet apart, and a south window that

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was smaller than the other two.
And it was through that south window that

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I saw the red light flashing up
against the wall. And I remember sitting

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up and the next thing I know, boom, I am on the ship.

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I am in inside. I'm standing
there and I'm looking at a gray

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and he was about oh, he
was much taller than me, so I

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was like five years old. He
must have been about four or four and

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a half five feet And I looked
behind him and there were the guys.

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They were looking out a window.
And and when I got on there and

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I was in front of that gray, all of a sudden, I started

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feeling the most intense feeling of love
starting on my feet. And it was

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warm, it was a warm feeling
that you could feel going up first so

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and through your arms and then to
the top of your head. It happened

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just like that. I mean I
feel when it came, and I definitely

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could feel. So the guy goes. I don't remember if he actually said

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the words or if he was speaking
in my mind, but I heard him

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say, do you want to meet
your brother? I didn't know I had

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a brother, And so he goes. He makes the left down the small

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way, and all the doorways were
rounded at the top to the bottom,

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almost like an arch. And when
he went to the left, I looked

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towards the bright and I saw this
really really large gray. I mean,

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he must have been seven or eight
foot. I knew. I thought it

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was like a dummy at first,
but I saw his eyes blinking, and

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so I just figured he was like
the older brother or Gigger, one of

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the little grays. But the gray
comes back in and he's holding baby in

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his arms, which is like six
to eight months old, not a big

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baby. And I remember looking at
him and he had like platinum here and

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I don't have platinum here. He's
got these really light blue eyes, and

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I have blue eyes too, not
like that. Color, and I remember

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touching his foot and then the gray
said, well, it's tend for you

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to go back and we'll see each
other again. And as I was exiting

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ship, and I don't remember floating
from my room to the show. It

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was just like one quick motion for
me. And just before I was exiting,

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I saw a flashback of the first
time I was abducted. I remember

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seeing it too, the very far
eastern window, and it was over our

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street as opposed to being over in
the back of our yard where I saw

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the red light and all that,
so it was kind of weird. I

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was wearing different pajamas in that flashback
that I saw different pajamas and I saw

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dude a totally different angle. And
so the abduction it felt or abductions.

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And within a few days I started
to get really bad dream I mean really

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bad where you could see, like
I saw the planet and I saw the

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first time I saw it was like
a movie grill, and it was like

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a mushroom cloud here, you know, like toward the eastern Seaboard. And

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then there was another mushroom cloud that
went out and worked toward Alaska, and

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then the third one was more like
toward California, and that was kind of

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weird. Then we started getting worse. The dreams kept being added onto,

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you know, like I was seeing
changes in real time in my dream.

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So the next like five or six
mushroom clouds all over the planet. And

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then instead of seeing mushroom clouds,
actually saw the destructure it was made.

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I saw the people, the children, women blown up by and melted,

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and I was seeing those things instidly. I would wake up in a cold

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sweat. I would start screaming out
loud. It was. It was so

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bad. The dreams were affecting me
so bad at night that they actually had

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to call the doctor to make a
house call, and that's something that hasn't

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been done in a long time.
But this guy came there. He gave

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me a shot. I fell a
slate, and it was like right after

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that, he suggested I I talked
to some list, so I did.

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But I found out the more I
tried talking about my abduction, the crazy

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they thought it was. So I
didn't try to pursue that avenue. And

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after about a few months, like
maybe up to six months, I stopped

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getting those dreams. Fast forward,
I'm now in like second or third grade,

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in elementary school, and the teacher
one day said, you know,

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here's a task for you guys in
assignment. I want you to write to

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a very famous person and I want
you to get to the reply. And

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we're reading and when she gave us
that, it was like April April of

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nineteen sixty two, and unfortunately I
didn't get the replied letter. I mailed

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the letter to President Johnett Punity JFKA, and I told them about my abduction,

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and as well as I could recollect
what the ship looked like, I

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drew a picture and more or less
looked like the Jetsons, the Jetson's vehicle

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from the cartoon The Justsin. So
I didn't get a reply until mid July,

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and school is well over for the
year by them, and I'm on

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our front court and I see these
two guys in suits, one guy in

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gray suit, and they're walking down
the street and for some reason they parked

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the car like I don't know,
like maybe a half a bum my house,

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which was the last house on a
day at m Street. And they

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came walking up to the door and
they asked for me, and I said,

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and they handed me the reply and
it said in the letter. It

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said that I would make a great
scientist for the government one day, or

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I could go to work for the
FBI. So the two FBI agents,

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they were trying to grill me on
exactly what I saw on everything, and

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I was not going to tell them
Jack, So they made sure to tell

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my parents before they loved that I
shouldn't be wildering the president that he's a

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very busy man, which really got
my butt kicked. When the two FBI

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gages left, my butt was I
think I ended up having to go to

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bed dinner. But so Ken goes
on a few years later, I'm going

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to middle school then, so it's
like maybe four or five years later.

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The principal came by with a note
for me, and he said, I

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won't want you to attend this special
class to see if you go to a

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better get a better education. And
so I went to that meeting the testing

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area and the whole room with what
I consider to be brainiact. I considered

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myself just the average student best,
and in that room was filled with about

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fifteen of the smartest kids I thought
were at the school. And I sat

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down and all of a sudden,
the door opened and the two guys walked

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in. It was those two FBI
agents that got my butt kicked years earlier.

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I wasn't going to forget what they
looked like. The one and he

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were still wearing the same colored suits
too. When guy wore a brown suit,

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he went and sat at the teachers
that the other guy went all the

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way to the far window and he
was looking at the window, looking outside

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for what. I don't know,
but I said, aren't you two guys

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with the government? And the guy
goes, no, what with the county?

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And I go right, you know. So they had the all these

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tests laid out for us that we
were supposed to take, and and I'm

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staring at the one guy who's at
the window. I'm staring at his back,

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trying to remember everything about him that
I could, and he says to

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me, without turning around, take
your test, keep your eyes on your

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test, and take your test.
And he says says my name, and

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I'm like, wow, that was
pretty good if he didn't even look at

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me. So I ended up just
slubbing the test. I didn't like the

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whole scene. I didn't like those
two guys, and so I think that

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was the first one done and all
I did was check boxes all the way

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down. I didn't even read the
questions. So that was that. And

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then it turns out a couple of
years later, my dad used to like

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to go to the bar on Saturday
afternoons, and this one day he decided

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to drop me off the where they
were having a UFO meeting. So I

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walked in there and I'm listening to
everybody's story. I'm listening to the speaker,

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and I looked to the site and
there's the FBI agent, the brown

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and he goes, don't you know
we watch these people and places like this.

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I was really naive at the time. I said, well, it's

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no big deal, that's just UFOs. So I thought that was really strange.

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And then it was like after I
graduated from high school. A few

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months later, after I graduated,
I get this weird phone call. It's

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a guy who won't tell me who
he is, won't tell me who he's

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connected with, but he wants me
to be part of a focus group in

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the very eastern edge of New York. But first I would have to go

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to our Connecticut for a couple of
weeks. There was no money involved.

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It was like over one thousand miles
away from me to crime and if I'm

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not being paid to do the focus
group, and I have to get a

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job to survive, and the whole
deal just reaped to me like something's going

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on, and my intuition was tough, telling me just to tell him now,

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you know, I said, what
am I supposed to tell my parents?

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You know? And he goes just
like stuff. I had a couple

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of months later and cooked back and
I'm really short and address with them this

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time his first name, but he
won't tell me any He said, it's

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kind of a spiritual focus group,
right, And I didn't think it was

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that at all. I didn't believe
them, you know. I believed I

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was being set up for something that
you know, involved the government. So

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I had one more exciting after that
phone call, and that was in north

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Ridgeville, Ohio, in nineteen seventy
one. And people can actually look it

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up. It's online. There's sighting
in north Bridge from nineteen seventy one.

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It was really low clouds, I
mean the clouds. It was dark at

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night. It was about eight or
nine o'clock, no, it was closer

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than nine, and clouds were just
so thick. But often the distance up

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in the sky, you saw these
lights, really strange lights. And to

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my immediate left, you know,
maybe about thirty feet away is a telephone

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poll and just above that, like
ten foot there was like an opening in

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the cloud and bus some moved across
that opening and it didn't and it had

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flats the bottom of it, like
a military vehicle, but it was a

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military military back in those days had
a luge dravedic vehicles. And one more

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time I saw the FBI agent,
and that was when I decided to go

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to the exercise. My adopted mom
was with me, and I looked to

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my right behind the two people guys. They were wearing the same suits,

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and I'm like, don't these guys
ever changed? I mean, what's up

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with that anyway? You know?
So that was nothing. After that,

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an FBI agent moved across the street
from that was that was about it.

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So that is my story, except
I've been getting a couple of those dreams

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again, the mushroom cloud woarn and
explosions, and yah, they're just really

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screwed up dreams. They're really really
bad doing. You know, they're so

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realistic. You can smell people's flesh
burning, you know, really really gross

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and scared to total crap out of
me. My great grandmother, who is

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Claire Buoyant, she said, now
he is young. That gave me some

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kind of ability. Won't say I'm
psychic or anything like that, but very

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strong into which that's my story.
N that's great man. The FBI obviously

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had some interest in you for you
know, being in your life for so

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long. Yeah. Well yeah,
they obviously had something out for me,

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you know. But the way I
think about it is like they were setting

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me up for a program that had
something to do with really really physical and

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sexual all abused and violence involved.
You know that happened to me in the

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orphanage that I happened after while I
was living with the adopted parents. Another

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thing too, that's really weird is
that I tried to find out who my

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real parents were. So I called
Ohio Adoption and the lady goes, those

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files are sealed, and I said, what if I needed information for help

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going about family health? And I
said, what if I went to a

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court and got a judge to undo
it. It doesn't matter. You can

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go to the highest court and they'll
never be able to open those files.

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So you think all this could have
possibly been connected some kind of program.

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Yes, I like mon Talk because
it was about the same time. Montalk

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is the very eastern edge of New
York. That's right. Dreams of the

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mush clouds and a destruction lasted for
several years. Do you recol having any

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other encounters after initial ones? As
a child, I sometimes have premonitions,

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like my grandfather dying, my adopted
grandfather. It seemed like my life changed

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and I changed as a person after
those first two abductions. I mean,

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I remember very little of the abductions
itself, you know. I remember being

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on the ship, I remember seeing
the Grays, I remember seeing the baby.

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I remember the smells. It smelled
really really off, you know,

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really badly, like stomach kind of
really sickening. I had one a few

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months ago. I ended up telling
g Linda Moulton. She wants me to

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keep her updated if I have any
more. I saw one going on in

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the Middle East. It's imprinted in
my mind, So yeah, that's the

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one I saw. But I really
don't want to get any more dreams like

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that. I don't want to know. I mean, if what I know

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can help save people, all is
good, and it didn't really gave me

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a time frame. But the last
time, when I was little and I

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saw the dream, the very last
dream had three numbers two, a zero,

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and a five. There was one
number missing if it was supposed to

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give me a time frame, you
know. So that's that's all I remember

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from now. Scary stuff. Scary
stuff, well, especially with everything going

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on the world at the moment.
Yeah, I don't need the FBI or

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or my sage showing up with my
daughter ask me any more detail about my

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dream. I'll tell them if I
have to. But do you remember having

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any strange visits as an adult?
No? But I met some really weird

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people in Washington, DC because I
lived there for a few years, and

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so I became kind of known to
the Intel community, believe it or not.

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And it's going to sound weird,
but you want to know where you

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can go find some of the brightest
minds in DARPA. In places like that

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are Star Trek conventions. God,
that's pretty interesting because I met a bunch

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of them at a Star Trek invention
in DC in nineteen eighty. Do you

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think that the abductions that you remember
as a child, do you think they

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continued on throughout your adult life.
I didn't really live a pious life.

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I lived the rebel life, working
with musicians and bands and touring. So,

446
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you know, I don't think I
was. I was probably too radical

447
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for them to want to stick me
and Mantac or the Bookings Institute or places

448
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like that. I mean, I
was just too much algorable, you know.

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I hear a lot from guests that
they recall being involved in projects and

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having all these strange encounters with people
in suits. I wonder how much this

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went on, and how many people
and how many children were involved in these

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projects. I would say probably a
million or more. There were eight major

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centers besides Mantac that all performance in
kind of abuse in sexual magic, and

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it was the whole thing was run
by excenacty. As much as some of

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this is very difficult to comprehend,
it is something which happened, and it

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is something which is documented to have
gone on, and it's pretty scary the

457
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effect this stuff can actually have on
people. Well, especially as a child.

458
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Yeah, it kind of screwed me
up, But I didn't think they

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had any ulterior evil motives involved,
you know, I didn't get that kind

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of vibe at all. But feeling
the strong feeling of warmth and love travel

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up your body is awesome. But
the bad part of that is when you

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leave the ship, that slowly dissipates
all through your body and by the time

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I'm run by bed, it's gone. That feeling of glove. You said

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they they showed you your brother.
Yeah, do you think you've ever met

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him again? I don't know.
I don't know the answer to that question.

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I hope I do. Yeah,
And again, it wouldn't kill me

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if I didn't, you know what
I mean, if they wanted me to

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00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.960
know, if he wanted me to
know, he would have contacted me and

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just said, hey, this is
what's up. You never felt any fear

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when you met these beings, No, just well not being evil to tell

471
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us, well, you had a
UFO siting as well. Yeah, do

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you think that was maybe connected with
your earlier experiences? Didn't feel like it

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didn't feel like at all, and
it was a different kind of shift altogether.

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Great stuff, Okay, g Man, I really appreciate you coming on

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sharing that for our listeners. Thank
you, gebally appreciate your time and your

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effort. You do an exporting job. It was our pleasure having you on

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today. Okay, take care and
we will speak soon. All right,

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Okay, bye for now. That
is all for this episode. Keep updated

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me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot
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me via the contact page on my
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483
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big thank you to Diana and g
Man for sharing tonight, and thank you

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all for listening. I will be
back next week. Till then, stay

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safe and keep watching the skies.
Goodbye,