Welcome to Spacing Out with Phoebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four,
episode three, The Ties That Bind. Welcome back. I'm Baby and
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Galactica Season four, episode three, The Ties That Bind. This aired on
April eighteenth, two thousand and eight, Written by Michael Taylor, directed by
Michael Nankin. The survivor count in this episode is thirty nine thousand, six
hundred and seventy six people, which did not change from last week, but
there's definitely a minus one yeah. In this episode, more bloodshed occurs in
what becomes a Silen Civil War or the Demetrius. The crew's patient swears thin
with starbuck Leo, Dama joins the Puma twelve and goes up against President Roslin,
and Callie discovers the truth about her husband and the other Cylons then Tory
kills Callie, making it look like a suicide. I'm confused about that,
about how it makes it look like a suicide. Can't you tell who who
pushed the button or did she push the button before she ran out or something.
I believe it's because she took her husband's keys and ran in there,
so it was his keys that launched it. Oh interesting, Okay, pretty
clever. Five check. Did we like the episode overall? How does it
stand the test of time? What do you feel overall this episode? I
liked it. Did you like the ending the whole? What? No,
it's a good episode, but yeah, the I didn't really make me like
it a lot too, I'm awful. Yeah. Well, the ending with
Tory and Calli is like, it makes it a really memorable episode. I
think, yeah, because I can easily forget, like I don't even remember
what happened last week. I feel like just a bunch of talking. Yeah
yeah, but now I remember, like, oh yeah, this is the
one where Tory takes out Callie. Um. Yeah, I think it was
a good episode. I like it was kind of a little bit of everything.
We got some of the Demetrius story, we got some Cylon story,
we got some politicking, and we got some some csiloning on Galactica somewhat some
cilon Yeah, some final final three I guess since anders isn't there. Yeah,
Andrews is busy for his wife. And we got some Doc Coddle.
Oh yeah, so so yeah, good episode. Don't skip it. Trivia
time? What facts could we uncover for the Ties that find? What do
you thought for trivia? Oh? This episode's title the ties that binds a
reference to a Christian him Blessed be the ties that binds a Protestant hymn that
celebrates the unity that comes from love. Why that's the title of the episode.
I don't know. I don't either. Centrist scene wasn't even like any
Baltar storylines that was like messing around with religious themes. Well, maybe it
was like about the Cylons going to civil war and the conflicts against each other,
Like you had conflicts against Starbuck and the crew and the President versus Leodama,
yet they're like altogether in their struggles. Maybe that's what it is.
The weapons locker where the final four Cylons members secretly meets Marked one seven one
D, which is the registry number of the starship Enterprise on the Next Generation
Nerds. When the Cylon fleet is ambushed by the Cavils, the Orion constellation
can be seen in the background stars. Whether it's intentional or not as unknown,
but it might indicate that they're getting closer to the Soul system that's where
we live. Darbuck has the Aurora figure that she gave to a Dama in
Maelstrom, and a scene in which he returned it to her was deleted from
the previous episode six of one. They're passing that little figure around, and
then another deleted scene shows Chief Terrell strangling Callie to death in her bed.
It's unclear whether this was a vision of Galen's or Callie's, or if it
was like an alternate death scene that they shot for Callie. They just wanted
to see her suffer a little bit differently. It's probably part of those visions
she was having of him, like cutting his finger and licking her in bed.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's all I got for trivia for this episode
Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode.
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We may use your comments on an upcoming episode found us a little confused about
what we're in the scene with Leadama and President Roslin. She seemed bothered that
he knew about her plans to appoint judges or something. I didn't get it.
Also, like Leadonna had been trying to meet with her and she wasn't
taking his meetings or anything, and she kind of shut him down in that
core meeting. So he brought up this classified document that Tom's Eric had slipped
him. I was like, Hey, you're trying to get more power in
the judicial system, and she's like, actually, that's just the rough draft
that I'm working on, but I do want to bring it up and put
it to the floor. So like he pressured her to move forward with an
unfinished plan. Oh yeah, kind of okay. Oh. I didn't get
the tension. I was just confused. It was a confusing room. There
was a lot of people yelling. Like the guy he interrupted seemed like he
had a legitimate issue to this uss. He's like, my people are starving.
He's like, do you yield the floor? And he's like, sure,
fuck it, we'll starve some more. We'll just be hungry or next
time it's my turn. No, it was about her trying to put Lee
in his place. He's used to be in the top top dog, and
she makes it very clear that he's a junior representative and does not speak for
her. Yeah. I like the I like do we get to see some
of the legal system on display, even if it was a little confusing.
I like exploring that aspect of the show. I'm sure it's a lot of
people probably find it kind of dry and not that interesting, but it'd be
fun. I'd like to know just more about how things in the fleet work.
That's generally what I'm interested in. Yeah, they don't show too much
of that. They're always on Galactica too, so it was a nice change
of pace to be in a different ship. It didn't look like a like
an airplane like it normally does. Though, It's like it caught fatter the
ship itself, you know. Yeah, it's because normally I wouldn't I see
it. I feel like it looks like an airplane, but this time it
didn't look like an airplane. Just part of it kind of did, the
window parts. Then it got thick. It was interesting to see their political
shiite. What else do you want to talk about? I want to talk
about how number six had to say please, Yeah, they've given the Centurions
free will and now she can't just give demands. That was pretty good.
And then they like zoomed in and they kind of looked back at her like,
bitch, butter, put some respect on my name. Like someone online
pointed out that the Centurions, now that they've had that inhibitor removed, like
they're all a lot more shiny and like glossy, like they care more about
how they look or something. They oiled themselves up. Yeah, Usually they're
all like kind of dull, dingy and banged up, and those guys were
like shin of fresh coat of wax on them. That's interesting. They did
look a little different. It was interesting that they got lured into a trap
too. I don't know where they were going. They were going to wherever
they had to go to get Dianna unboxed. Oh so Cavill's like, hey,
meet us here, and then the resurrecrection ship didn't jump with them,
and one of the is it, what's boomer? She's a four, she's
an eight, she's an eight. Her turncoat felt real bad because it seems
like she has some like moral like dilemma with doing that, yeah, because
that's taking out all the other number eights. We won't be all of them,
but well they won't resurrect. Yeah, and it's like this final death
that sucks. I wonder if the final four that were on Galactica, if
they have their own resurrection ships somewhere, because nobody knows who they are,
so who's in charge of their resurrection ship if they have one? We can
put a pin in that for a spoiler section. Okay, cool, we'll
talk about did you believe Tory wanted a fuck Chief in the in the bar?
Yeah, well we saw her see Allie's reflection, so it's like she
saw Callie walk in. That's when she starts like touching Chief's elbow rights to
make it less suspicious maybe or more suspicious, more suspicious she wanted to kill
Callie. I don't get it. Tori is just embracing these new feelings and
who she is and kind of I don't want to call her like the villain,
but she's kind of moving into that role and inviting the chaos. Okay,
she's like liberated, like she knew she was fucking with that relationship in
that moment that's why she asked her you and callie happy. Okay, Well,
Tori's interesting for sure. I think her character has definitely developed some nuance
to it. Yeah. I think she's the most interesting of the cylons right
now, just because she is embracing it in a way. Yeah, like
she's moving and shaping things and learning about herself and forming new beliefs, hooking
up with Gaius, fucking with Chief it's interesting. And then killing Cally like
that was crazy. Yeah, but I think it had to be done because
she was gonna like tell on everyone. Well, no, she wasn't.
She was gonna murder, suicide herself and her son. Oh yeah, but
le Okay, so I guess so, like that's a whole thing of like
maybe you could chalk it up to the drugs she was taking, but like
it's like all of her dumb decisions of like I'm not gonna tell anyone,
I'm just gonna run straight to this airlock airlock, And yeah, she hasn't
been making the best decisions. Her throwing up at the bar was the funniest
thing. She throwed up on her baby probably, like that's awful. Usually
it's the other way around where your toddler, your baby throws up on you,
But no, this mommy's special. She's gonna throw up on her baby
at a bar. She's not making any sense, and I think um Doc
Coddle has like his suspicions about her, like in her state of mind.
Yeah, so that probably made it really easy for Tory to cover up what
she did. Yeah, she's having trouble sleeping. She's trying to get medicated
for that. And she said she was taking antidepressants. Yeah, and he
said he's going to open an opium den so she can take a nap.
And it's like he kind of understand, like you're not in a great shape,
but he's also like against chief when he's like when she tells him like
I think he's having an affair or whatever, and he's like is he hitting
you? Like because he doesn't forget that she got the ship beat out of
him once. Yeah, and she even mentions it like what kind of loser
marries the guy that fucked her up? Which I don't think we should victim
blame, like it's not Callie's fault, but it just sucks, Like her
situation is just terrible. Yeah, And I always feel like once Callie and
Chief get together, we don't see like a lot of the good part of
their relationship, right, which I'm sure is there. It's just like whenever
they choose to focus on their relationship is when they're having problems rights all the
time. Even on New Caprica, they were always like upset at each other.
Yeah, which sucks because I feel like a lot of fans like just
found her like a really annoying character. Okay, I'm not the only one.
Like That's how a lot of people felt about her, And unfortunately,
I think a lot of people were happy to see this episode. That's awful,
it is, but I think it's a result of the way they being
written and yeah, not getting to see other aspects of her. Yeah,
she's just like a nagging wife. Yeah, what can you tell me about
Callie except for that, like what her job is and that she's a wife
and mother and she's barely doing that. Like when we see her, she's
like just yelling at Chief all the time, Like, and don't forget to
tell him that he's allergic to the algae. That's all we have is algae.
Pack him a lunch then, girl. But it would suck because basically,
It's like in this episode we kind of see more of her, like
dealing with being alone a lot, almost like a single parent. She can't
rely on the chief for any like being a steady support system for her,
and so what does she have. She's just all by herself with her kid.
And when she finds out that the only person that she could put her
life and trust of is a fucking cylon, she like breaks. That's sucks.
Ye. And I was surprised to see Tori follow her but not her
husband into the airlock. He was unconscious. Oh I didn't see that part.
She took him out with that wrench. Oh yeah she did. She
beat the shit out of him. Okay, yeah, I remember now.
And Tori's the one that saw the panel removed outside the weapons locker. So
yeah, I think Tory puts it together. She's so smart and you know,
you can seeing that Kelli was like going to kill herself and her son
in a certain way, Tory saved the son's life. She did. She
also had the opportunity to save both of them and chose to kill Callie.
I would have killed Callie because she knew too much talk. Yeah, I
know it wasn't random that you Yeah, also that the meeting they had in
the weapons locker, all they talked about was like, hey, you guys
can't be meeting in public. We can't have scenes like that. Okay,
that's all I have to say. By Well, no, it's cut short
by that bump in the night, that bump in the walls. There was
like nothing of substance in that meeting. Can't be walking around like skin jobs.
If ty wouldn't have showed up, it would have just looked like a
rendezvous between two lovers. But when he showed up, he threw the wrench
in the whole plan. She's like, oh my gosh, he's having a
three way affair. That burry man. I know what Colonel Tye looks like
in a tank top, Okay, and it's not cute. It's a lot
of hair. Do you want to talk about Starbuck and her crew? Sure,
her crew hates her, Yep. I don't think anyone except for Andrew's
volunteered for that mission. I guess Halo Halo wanted to go. Yeah,
and Halo's kind of standing up for her, but he's also like a damnit
Starbuck. She's not making an easy for him. No. And then the
weirdest part was when she is in her bunk or I don't know if it
shared quarters because there was multiple little beds or because it was like a little
bed in a nook and she was painting that nook. I would assume that,
like all these ships would have like a captain's quarters. Yeah, even
the sewage ship. Who knows. But the fact that she had this really
bothered me. She had like three to five just open paint cans on a
mattress, no tarp, just mess. She's such a mess. And I
don't know what she's painting exactly. Maybe it was like her vision of Earth.
Yeah, I think she's painting for the like the star cluster that she's
looking for. Yeah, well, it's it's like over the bed, girl,
you're gonna drip paint all over your sheets, and paint's not comfortable.
After it dries, it's plastic. It's gonna be really stiff. Speak Anders
comes in and he's like, you're messing up this whole mission, and she's
like, why don't you frack me right now. That's like after she says
one of the meanest things to him that she married him because it was easy.
Yeah, and he was pathetic enough to go along with it. But
now and he's still kind of pathetic because he goes along with her like wants
and needs. Anyway, I think he's also like confused because he's a cylon
And it's interesting to see them interacting now that he knows. And after they're
done, she even mentions like, that was weird, feel like you like
I was here and that was that must be insulting. I wouldn't feel good
if someone's like I was like off in another place, like I was watching
us do it instead of being present with this situation. Also, your spine
was glowing? What was up with that? I'm telling you they shouldn't have
included that in that first episode. But yeah, I feel like Starbucks is
really taking advantage of Wanders. Yeah, he kind of seems like a dog
that's not going to leave her side. He's too loyal. She's very indifferent
to him most of the time. Yeah, it's sad. It makes me
not like her in certain situations because she's just using him and then like he's
in that ship full of people that like can see this relationship, Like she's
not giving him the time of day. Yeah, treating him like a subordinate.
I mean he is a subordinate though, he's just a nugget. I
don't know why he signed up for this mission because he didn't want to watch
her leave again, that's what it's cute, Okay, Yeah, the poor
Hoders. It just makes me feel bad for him. What do you think
um Adama told Chief about Callie? He had to break the news, like
he was the person who has to tell him. How did they find out?
Like it would have taken forever to find out, like Chief would have
had to report, Like I haven't seen Callie in a while. She beat
the shit out of me. I don't know why or when the airlock goes
that does that noise trigger somebody like I would say, like the system probably
notified that, like the airlock was used, um, and it was his
key that used it, so they went to check on him. Um.
I don't I don't remember exactly what happens with like what Tori does next.
Well, you're not gonna spoiler it, yeah, and I can't spoil.
I don't remember the details. But I'm just thinking out loud that like maybe
she left the kid right there, oh, the baby outside to make it
look like Callie left him right outside the door. Yeah, and take kid
with me. Also, like Kelly's last decision to hand the child through the
Cylon, it was just the last bad decision and the string of bad decisions.
Yeah, I was really surprised when she did it. And Tori's strong
too. She's got that cylon strength. Did they unlock that as they found
out? It must have or else She's just been really strong her whole life.
I've never thought about she's like not having to be like an aid to
the president, which she hasn't been doing her job lately, not that I've
seen. Yeah, I don't know. Does she go on a ship?
Is there like a freight ship or like a fairy ship that goes from the
political ship to the Galactica like every hour so she can like cop on and
come in and get her drinks and hang out in the evening and then go
home. Where does she live on Galactic Yeah? She must live on Galactica.
I mean she's always there. Is there, She's with Baltars, she's
meeting with the other Cylons. The President's living on Galactica. I don't know.
We never see her quarters. We've seen almost everybody else's quarters except hers,
because Anders lives with the Nuggets and Colonel Tie has his own area that
he used to share with Ellen, and now he's alone. Chief. We've
obviously just seen him get the shit beat out of in his own quarters.
Yep. And who else is there? Is that them? Yeah? I
mean Adama obviously, as was Big Quarters. Yeah, Adama. I wonder
where Leah Dama's living now. He moved, because that's the whole movie.
The whole last episode was about him moving. He packed up, and I
don't know he's living somewhere. It was nice to see Tom's Eric again.
Yeah. And he's always working angles. Yeah, he's always got something going
and his job is to bang that gavel order. He pained that thing so
much, so many times and it didn't matter. Yeah, anything else we
need to cover. I'm good. I think we got it all all right.
Then let's move on astral Queen, who was the standout character in the
episode. Do you have anybody in mind for astral Queenna? Do? Tori?
I was wondering if you're going to do that. She's strong, independent,
she's stirring the pot, she's looking good. Yeah, are you going
to give it to Tori does seem like she's enjoying herself more than we've seen
her before. I was thinking of giving it to Doc Coddle, Oh you're
Fraive's for his bedside manner. He made her laugh probably the last time she
left in her life, right. I feel like that was the one moment
in the episode where Kellie got to feel sane um. But yeah, I
like that he was both like kind of tough on her, but also like
was listening to her concerns and was genuinely concerned that if she was getting abused
or not. I think he was. He was really good in that scene.
All right, So Tori and dot Cole are the Astral Queens for episode
three. That brings us to the end the main part of the podcast.
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Spoilers In five four three two one oh, this was the last appearance
of Cali for obvious reasons of Silo. She's not coming back as a silent.
I feel like we will see like her in some archive footage flashbacks.
The Chief Tyrrell process is this, but that's her last episode. And then
I mentioned in trivia that we saw the Oriyan constellation, and as we move
forward in the series, we start to see other familiar constellations more frequently as
we move closer to Earth. And then you you were asking about the Final
five resurrection stuff. Yeah, we're your ship. So Cavill has a ship
where they where they resurrect. If I remember, I think they have like
all five of them in one room and there's just a Cavil. They're like
managing that because no one else is involved in that whole situation. Yeah,
I think there was five of those resurrection tanks. Kind of in my head,
it looked like the sleeping pods in Dullhouse. Do you remember that how
they were all on the floor vaguely. We should watch that again. Yeah,
later this season we will get to see Ellen Tie wake up and she's
just been hanging out with Cavill this whole time. But when she wakes up,
she has all of her memories back of prior to be being put on
Earth as Ellen. I any other simon or other questions. Who is the
civil war? I mean, does anybody win a civil war? Yeah,
there's winners and losers. You don't remember, It's okay, I don't remember
the details of how it plays out. But the Sixes, Eights and Leo
Beans they kind of up allied with the Galactica, so yeah, interesting,
and the number threes they do get unboxed, so yeah, I think next
episode we'll see how that attack played out. Okay, I'm excited. I
don't remember. I mean, they don't resurrect. Yeah, they don't all
die. I'm sure did they all jump at once? Or I wouldn't have
sent my full force like to follow them right away? Yeah, they really
didn't. They trusted Cavil a lot. You must have been doing some really
good acting there, because he made it clearly he was not happy about the
decision. It's also interesting that all those base ships have the hybrids on them
that control all the functions, so it's interesting the hybrids are like willing to
fire on the other Cylon ships like that. I don't think they care.
I don't think the hybrids have the same will that the cylons have, like
even the Centurions now, which is sad, but we'll see. I'm really
interested to see Anders's journey into the hybrid life, how he gets into the
fold, how they recruit him. I don't know, biggy volunteers. I
don't know. I don't know how it works. I forgot when day he
just starts losing his air. He decides to take a bath one day and
never gets out of the tub. Could you imagine what the bathtubs on the
Galactica would look like? Very rustic mettle. Yeah, all right, well
that was the ties that bind. Thanks for joining us. We'll be back
next time. We talk about escape velocity and stay out of those airlocks.
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