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start, all right, we're back. Welcome. It's another open forum we

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haven't had open for him in a
bit, and today is perfect timing for

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open for him because of the surprising
but not surprising news in the Roman Catholic

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world. We have the upcoming Synod
on senidelity in the Roman Catholic Church that

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they have been making quite a fuss
about because of course they are, with

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all with good reason, concerned that
Francis is going to further the agenda to

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quote update, liberalize, and bring
big changes to the Roman Catholic Church.

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For many of us, it's not
surprising. As you know, I converted

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to Roman Catholicism in two thousand and
three and myself went through the whole.

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I guess you could say bell curve
of Roman Catholic progress, the development of

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theology, which occurs on an individual
level as you work your way through not

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just Roman Catholic history and dogma,
but what I think are open contradictions.

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And so remember Erica Baras said in
The Discover that we had four or five

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years ago that if you could demonstrate
that the papacy has contradicted in faith and

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morals, that would constitute a disqualifier
of the system. Now I think we've

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demonstrated it many times over. But
there's always, thanks to Francis, our

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greatest evangelist for the Orthodox Church,
a new scandal every time there's a hubbub

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amongst the Roman Catholic So every time
it's almost without fail. Every time they

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make a big hubbub and a big
stink, as the Thomas did a couple

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of weeks ago, Francis comes to
our aid to provide us with yet another

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gigantic theological error, not just a
moral scandal, not just a much of

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coping and explaining away. And oh
it doesn't count, it does not infallible,

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it doesn't matter. It literally does
not matter in terms of theological teaching,

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what the status of the document is, because the Vatican One teaching is

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that the Roman bishop is preserved from
errors in faith and morals. So anything

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that's encompassed by faith and morals,
which is intentionally ambiguous, by the way,

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because that allows for the flexibility to
deny or affirm various things that might

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be controversial as either non infallible or
infallible, as the case provides. So

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whatever is opportune at the time actually
becomes the standard by which something is considered

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authoritative or infallible. Now, what's
interesting is that it's not really a question

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of what's infallible or fallible, because
again, that has nothing to do with

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whether a person is objectively, objectively
speaking heterodox. So, in other words,

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the authority behind the document right has
absolutely nothing to do with the person

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themselves believing and teaching and promoting heresy. If the authority was necessary to make

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something heretical, this is what somebody
the Romans. It doesn't count. It's

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not binding, it's not infallible.
I don't have to listen to it.

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I can discard everything that I don't
want because it's not quote infallible. The

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only body within the Roman Catholic Church
that can make something infallible or to proclaim

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it to be of infallible status is
ultimately the Roman see. So essentially,

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what that boils down to is that
no one could be a heretic except the

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pope, and the pope cannot be
a heretic. That's an unfalsifiable system,

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so via Vatican one, which is
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successors to the Roman bishopric will continue. There will be a living magisterial succession

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to the end of the world,
to the return of Christ. That's what

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Vatican one says clear as day in
many places. That means that while there

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can be vacancies between successors, sure, there cannot be the loss of successors

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in an extended period such that,
for example, nowadays, all of the

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cardinals and Roman College and all of
the bishops of Vatican two, for example,

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there are no trad bishops left that
could constitute a potential Roman College to

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elect a traditional pope. So you
understand that Francis has already stack of the

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deck with liberals. And it's not
even an issue of liberal and conservative anyway,

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because all of the people who affirm
Vatican two are already part of the

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revolution anyway, because Vatican two's Nostre
attat document is precisely the document that prepared

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the way for things like Pacha Mama, And if you don't remember, Pacha

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Mama was the blessing of this indigenous
human sacrifice idle, which according to natural

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theology, had said to be well, but it's kind of also like Mary.

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I mean it's a woman. Mary's
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that all the symbols are the same. Remember this was Michelle Lofton's argument.

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No, it doesn't work that way. Did that argument work when Aaron was

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arguing that the calf could be a
symbol of Yahweh, the well, the

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golden calf could just be a power
of God of Yahweh. That was the

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argument that Aaron made, and that
was not acceptable as an argument for the

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golden calf. Exact same, parallel
to Lofton's defense of Pacha Mama the human

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sacrifice idle that Francis blessed and they
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Again, you understand that it's not
a new scandal. Francis has been

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a consistent pattern of scandals ever since
he was elected. And scandals are not

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just you know, sexual things or
issues relating to corruption in the Vatican.

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No, no, no, I'm
talking about theological scandals. I'm talking about

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open errors on faith and morals.
Now, remember people like Lofton and people

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like Ibara, you know, they
were very adamant for years that you have

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no right and no authority to challenge
the teaching of the Roman pontiff, how

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dare you? And now we have
five cardinals, the Dubia, five cardinals

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now coming out and saying that,
hey, it kind of looks like Francis

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is a heretic. And the whispers
are that they're going to write up a

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rebuke of Francis as a heretic.
Well, number one, it wouldn't matter

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if they do, because five cardinals
have no authority to judge the First Sea

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anyway. Vatican one upholds the old
ancient canon, which is itself from a

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paper forgery, that no one judges
the First Sea. That means no council,

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no consistory of cardinals, no group
of bishops can form a council to

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judge the pope after the decisions of
Vatican One. In fact, to say

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that a council is above a pope
is condemned in Roman Catholic dogma. Now

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they don't really care about these contradictions, of course, because these contradictions are

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manifold throughout the second millennium of Church
history. And thus we have the introduction

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of the evolution of doctrine. Right, doctrine develops. You see, doctrine

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sort of the morals can change.
And this is why Michael Welton correctly points

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out that the original revolutionary institution in
Western civilization was not the dialectical Marxists or

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the Paris Commune. It was not
then the Protestants in Calvin and luther diginal

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revolution was the eleventh century Grigorian Reforms, which completely changed the ecclesiaastical structure,

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ecclesiastical structure of the Church in the
West. And that's admitted now by many

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Roman Catholic historians and scholars Eve Kongar
after nine hundred years Francis de Vornick Phocian

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Schism. So the revolutions of the
Western civilization far pre date Thomas Munzer and

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Martin Luther and John Calvin and the
French Revolution and all those goblins. It

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goes back to the eleventh century Grigorian
Reforms and Dictatus Pope. And if you

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don't recall, what are some of
the great claims of Dictatus Pope. And

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we're going to open it up to
open form in a little bit. Don't

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worry. The eleventh century Dictatus pop
claims for the papacy. I'll put them

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up there on the screen as you
can see right here, the Roman Church

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was founded by God alone. The
Roman pontiff alone is universal. Remember the

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statement of Saint Gregory the Great.
No one should be called universal bishop to

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the denigration of the other bishops.
He alone can depose the reinstate old bishops

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in the world. That's a change, because the ecumenical canons of the first

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seven Councils don't have the Bishop of
Rome relating to anything in regard to the

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world's of bishops. That in a
council, his legate is above all the

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other bishops. The pope may depose
anyone absent that, among other things,

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we ought not to remain in the
same house with those ex communicated by the

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pope. It is alone lawful for
the pope to make new laws. It

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is alone lawful for the Pope for
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the time, to make new laws. So while this might be argued to

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be only in a canonical or a
legislative sense, this is already preparing the

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way for the revolution, for the
pope to then dictate and change and say

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what moral law is and how it
has changed. Francis already did this by

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saying that the death penalty is an
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exercise of the death penalty is quote
contrary to the Gospel. So the pope

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can now change and alter natural justice. But the idea that he could change

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and alter these things does not begin
at Vatican two. In the liberals of

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Vatican two, like the tradcats,
think no, no. This goes back

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to Dictatus Pope, when Dictatus Pope
said in the eleventh century that the pope

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can make whatever laws according to the
needs of times he wants. The pope

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alone can use the imperial signia.
And what was the basis for a lot

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of this argumentation, the fraudulent donation
of Constantine. The Pope alone. All

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princes shall kiss the feet of the
Pope alone. His name alone shall be

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spoken in the churches. This is
the only name in the world. The

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Pope can depose all emperors. He
may be permitted to transfer bishops as he

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sees fit. The Pope has the
power to ordain a clerk of any church

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as he wishes. That he is
ordained, may preside over another church,

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but is not subordinate to a position. Let's skip down. No synod can

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be called ecumenical without him. Now, what a radical change from latter in

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six forty nine, which already had
condemned Monothelitism prior to the Sixth Ecumenical Council,

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which again shows clearly that Dictatus Pope's
attitude of papalism was not the attitude

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of papalism in the seventh century when
Saint Maximus went to obtain help from Rome

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in condemning the Monothelites. If the
Vatican One mindset, the Dictatus pope view

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mindset was the case in six forty
nine at later in the latter in Roman

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Council six forty nine, there would
not have been any need for the six

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Sechemical Council several years later in six
point eighty six, because the entire Church

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would have simply said, what saith
Rome Rome has spoken, case is closed.

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Remember their their their mantra, they
chant Rome is spoken cases closed.

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Oh like in six forty nine.
And by the way, Roman Catholics don't

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count latter in six forty nine as
an ecumenical council, which on their criteria

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should be an ecumenical council. No. In fact, what happened was by

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the time of the Sixth Ecumenical Council, the Emperor calls the council and then

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they investigate to see who is right
and who is wrong. Again, none

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of that has anything to do with
Dictatus Pope and the rise of papalism in

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the eleventh century, which then goes
on to define this is the Gregorian Reforms.

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This defines the rest of the Western
Church all the way up until the

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absurdities of Vatican Ion. So you
understand that the revolutions in the West and

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in the papacy, they begin with
erroneous theology, erroneous ecclesiology, and they

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work themselves out for the next thousand
years to where we now have the objective

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apostasy for everybody in the world to
see who's not completely deluded and hasn't lost

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their power discernment that the Roman Catholicy
Church has completely left the faith, and

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it did so a thousand years ago
when it posited a different theological norm than

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what the Ecumenical Church had accepted at
the first seven slash eight councils. It

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goes on to say that no one
judges the first see, no one judges

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the first see. That is still
in Roman Catholic canon law. It is

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still believed in to this day.
It is part of the argumentation and presubpositions

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of Vatican One. No one judges
the first see and so it doesn't matter

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how many trad quote unquote cardinals,
they're not even tried. They're just quote

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conservative neo conservative cardinals. It doesn't
matter how many of them decide Francis is

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in an error. They don't judge
Francis, nor does any layman in the

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Roman Cality Church judge Francis. And
notice how arrogant they've been for the last

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five, six, seven years,
how they've looked down their nose upon Orthodox

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and how they've how did this arrogant
line of how dare you you don't judge

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Francis? All you stupid schismatics,
all their venom and all their hate.

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They're vile for the last five or
six years, they're bile towards us,

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all the claims about how mean I
am, when all those goobers ever did

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was try to go after me on
a personal level, always trying to find

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dirt, always trying to find some
comment to get me deplatformed. I mean,

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just absolutely acting like demons. And
why is that, Well, it's

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because they're not good faith actors,
many of them, and their actions betray

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They're insecurity in their own faith and
in their own position. If they had

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the goods, it would be very
easy to engage in a formal debate on

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these topics and to simply refute the
Orthodox. But all their response, ever

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is is how bad character we are, how mean we are. It's all

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ad hominems to distract away from the
actual issues, or it's even stuff as

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absurd as let's debate the nuances of
Tomism, as if modern Roman Catholicism is

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Tomism, it's not. It's Rome. What's happening in Rome? And that's

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why you see a lot of the
Romancolic channels, even the people that I

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like that are my friends. Every
show every week is the soap opera of

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Rome. Do you think that?
Imagine the first thousand years of the church

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was the practice and focus of the
average laity wondering about the soap opera dramas

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of what was happening in Rome,
a thousand miles away, five hundred miles

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away. Of course not, They
had no access to this. It's all

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silly, it's ridiculous. The church
was local, it was run by synods.

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The church wasn't run by ecumenical councils. It wasn't run by pope's writing

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letters to all the churches, which
is exactly how they try to argue the

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letters of Clement. Clement writes letters
because he's a pope and he settles all

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the issues in the churches. But
also they didn't use that power that they

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had like Clement did for thousands of
years, even though it was there in

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potentia. They just didn't choose to
use it. Right, that's the bara

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excuse, oh thank you for failing
to exercise this great, wonderful office that

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would solve all the problems in the
church and make it so clear and obvious

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how we would be unified. Will
he just he can't. He can't write

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a letter to everybody because the vet
can be full of paper stocks everywhere.

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That's literally what I borrow said,
And people say, we won not argument,

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we borrow smash in that debate he
won, Yeah, really good arguments.

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Right. The pope, who in
Clement's day supposedly could solve the issues

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in every church one thousand miles away
by writing to the Corinthians fails in that

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duty for centuries and then reminds himself
by what seventh eighth ninth century. Oh

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yeah, I forgot to have this
power to like literally unilaterally solve every problem

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in the church. Crap, why
didn't I just do that this whole time?

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Why do we have to have these
stupid councils. All they could have,

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all they had to do was just
right to me, will because it

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didn't happen, because the Vedican would
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Do would the mail man would have
brought a giant bundle of letters every week

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to the pope, and he would
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the Vatican because he would have been
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people think that was a good argument. No, Romangantholicism is a system.

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It's not a bottom up thing a
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although that's how they think of it. They think of it like,

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oh, it's like classical foundationalists epistemology, where if I stack up enough quotes

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it becomes true. So let me
quote mine more than a Protestant. Let

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me get my quote, mind posthold
digger up and just start digging it up.

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Oh, look at this, thousand
quotes approved the papacy, and that's

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a litterally. If I remember at
Bar said something like that, if I

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give enough evidences, will you believe
in the papacy? Eric, If I

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have one piece of doctrine that shows
a contradiction, the whole system falls away.

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Because it's an enclosed system. It
doesn't matter if you have a supposed

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thousand proofs or evidences of papal claims. If one contradiction in the system appears,

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then the system is false. And
he even admitted that at one point

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if you could show a contradiction and
the teaching on faith and morals, well

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we've already seen it multiple times over
with Cantante Domino. No salvation outside the

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church unless you are in commune with
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well, no, that doesn't count. It doesn't mean that. That

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means that everybody's potentially in commune with
the Church. And now there's a concentric

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circles, right, which is what
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basically, everybody's in degrees of communion
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That's why Francis provides a prayer for
unitarians in that encyclical. Again, this

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is all the fruits of natural theology, generic theism, and natural theology coming

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to its logical conclusions at Vatican two
in no stratante, which says that Hindus

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worship and love God what God,
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and Paul says the gods and nations. David says the gods and nations

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are demons. Paul says the gods
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say the gods and nations are demons. Nobody argues that we're all on a

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continuum in concentric circles of everybody having
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two that the Church subsists in the
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other groups and world religions. Because
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slippery slope because once you admit that, because for example, the Orthodox have

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valid sacraments and valid orders in the
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then be consistent and say, well, Protestants have quite a bit in common

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too, right, don't they.
Many of them believe in the Trinity and

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the incarnation. Oh okay, so
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you know, they've got thirty percent
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and then liberal Roman Catholics and then
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eighty percent true Christianity, and then
Anglicans have forty or fifty. Protestants have

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maybe thirty forty percent. Oh,
and then Muslims have maybe twenty percent,

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and then the pagan religions outside that. That's the circles concentric circles argument view

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that Francis lays out and for Teletuti, which is just restating the theology of

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Nosra Tata and Vatican two, And
isn't it telling that again? Here we

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are, what four or five six
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that stuff, and what are they
relying on They're still relying on Jay's mean

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five to six it would it'll be
ten years from now they'll still be pulling

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out clips for me getting heated in
debate, which by the way doesn't even

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compare to most of the ridiculous online
debates. Fhear how they act, I

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mean, they act like complete demons. The ron Mcalochs, by the way,

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pretend to put on this error,
this attitude of being pious. I

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demand that you repent, though,
repent for what you said for me.

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So in other words, yeah,
so every time someone disagrees it's slandering,

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you need to repent. I mean, that's just pure feminine behavior, total

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passive aggressive. All these people are
ridiculous, except for Tim Gordon. Tim

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still a body. I appreciate Tim
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these people. Tim acts like a
man, recognizing where we disagree, and

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he's content to not engage in Pope's
planning. So, look, it's time

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to just be honest and admit that, as he said in his last livestream,

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we're screwed now. He doesn't mean
that he's ready to give up Roman

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Catholicism, but he's saying that,
look, we can't keep engaging in you

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know, the loft and tier Trent
Horn tier of excusing everything that Francis does.

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Yeah, but it's a lot worse
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the point of all of this is
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It's the point is that And I
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I'm not mad at Roman Catholics.
I don't hate them, even though because

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I know what It's like, I
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religious position, a system of worldview, to be so devoted to it and

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dedicated to it, and then to
be very afraid that it's wrong. That's

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the actual source for why they're all
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this way. They're not acting as
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their position. They're not acting as
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this is right and it's it's not
a threat. They're worried and scared that

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this might actually be false, and
it's leading to them acting out in this

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ridiculous manner, as almost all of
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and they just get more erratic,
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Because why, ultimately, this isn't
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is what I think is really hard
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I'm not saying that intellect and dogmas
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the end of the day, it's
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actually give the healing that we all
need. If it can't, then the

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religion is reduced to a bunch of
wranglings on the Internet, and a bunch

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of scholastic debates about tonism or anything
like, all the stuff that doesn't even

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relate to modern reme ma. Ron
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actual healing of the individual. And
that means that the Roman Catholic Church is

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a parachurch. As much as I
can appreciate people that say true things there

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and that are friendly, that we
like, that have great insights on philosophy,

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that have great moral positions, put
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the institution of the Roman Catholic Church
cannot be divorced from the city of Rome

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and the people in Rome. Okay, there's no Nestorian papacy right, the

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papacy in the Platonic ideal world that's
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that I don't have to listen to. If you read Vatican One, which

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is dogma for them, it's clear
as day that you have to follow all

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of the teaching of Rome, extraordinary
extra extraordinary, magistrar ex cathedral stuff,

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Ecumenical council stuff, universal ordinary teaching, which has guided and protected also by

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the magisterium and by the charism of
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but just the normal teaching of Francis. Guess what, you still have

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to submit to it, even if
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That's the traditional Catholic moral teaching about
the pope's normative teaching, his day to

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day stuff, his sermons, his
opinions, etc. You can disagree,

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you can think, hey, I
think Francis is totally wrong there. You

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do not have the right and the
authority in that system and in that structure

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to launch a campaign to undermine him
as pope, unless you want to go

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the route of saying, well,
then he's just not pope. There's no

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such a seventy percent pope, sixty
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take Francis when I like him over
here, I don't like him over here,

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And every Roman Catholic deep down knows
he's being a Protestant. You're picking

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and choosing the documents, the dogmas, the doctrines that you want that you

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think are consistent with traditional quote unquote
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Now, maybe you're correct in the
things that you're picking out. Maybe

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you're correct, But guess what,
it doesn't matter if you're correct, because

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the system is structured such that no
one judges the first see, no group

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of cardinals, no consistory can come
together, no council can come together to

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overthrow the pope. And do you
understand that you already rejected that position of

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Gallicanism and Sonodalism at Vatican Ie because
there were already people in your church that

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believe that councils were above the pope. That position is condemned in Denzinger.

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So every time you're going to try
to argue that the Dubia of who are

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the characters here, let's look over
here one five. Of course this propaganda

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outlet they put up on Twitter,
the new Dubia could anathematize Pope Francis.

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Oh well, then that would put
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No one judges the first seat,
and anyone that says that a council or

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any bishopric is above the pope or
can judge the pope is anathema. One

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five says it is possible for the
church today to teach doctrines contrary. This

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is quoting from the Vatican two document
luminingentium. And so the answer is no,

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the Church cannot teach. And then
it quotes Vatican one. If anyone

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as searchs to the possibility that a
sense is given to doctrines propounded that are

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different from what the Church has always
understood, let him be anathema. So

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one Peter five is actually trying to
use Vatican one's definition that doctrines can't evolve

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or change. Supposedly there morals in
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Catholictori has understood these doctrines to say
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who's putting out all this stuff?
Why none other than the apostate from the

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Orthodox Church, Tim Flanders, who
remember when he was patting all that piety.

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Oh, I'm so pious because I
learned how arrogant and prideful I was

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judging the Church and judging Rome.
Now that I'm Roman Catholic, haha,

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the honeymoon is here, I don't
have to worry with those problems. Oh

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and now one Peter five is putting
out the very articles potentially talking about judging

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the pope, the very thing that
four or five years ago we said Tim

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Flanders would have to deal with when
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And here we are one Peter five, the Flanders outfit, pushing the

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very thing that he said was the
root of pride. The root of pride

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four or five years ago, according
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judging the pope, trying to make
judgments on these things. Here he

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is contradicting himself unless he didn't post
this, and he's going to say,

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well, that's not my position.
I would never No, you're out of

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tried site. That's literally trying to
judge the pope. Now look at how

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deceptive this quote mine is because it
says he's quoting Vatican one and then pairing

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it with Vatican two, as if
Vatican one allows for a pope to be

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a valid pope to teach errors on
faith and morals. So they're all in

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the dilemma. You say this.
The reason this is so big is not

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because well, it's the first time
that Francis has openly taught error and heresy.

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No it's not. Francis has been
at it for a long time,

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as of all of the post Vatican
to Roman callog posts by the way.

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The difference here is that now you
have members of the Magisterium, the so

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called Dubia, the five tread But
these cordinals who are writing questions, whoa,

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whoa writing questions? Now wait a
minute, why are they having to

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ask Dubia questions? We are doubtful. These are dubious. We are doubtful

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of what you mean, Francis,
Francis, tell us what you mean on

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basic ethics and morals. Wait a
minute. I thought the whole argument for

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all of these years was that the
papacy was going to give us clarity on

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faith in morals. But now we've
got to have Dubia to interpret the interpretation

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of the interpretation of the interpretation of
the interpretation, not of obscure doctrines and

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scholasticism of morals, of basic human
biology and sexual ethics. But Pope French

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is the pope, the officer.
The Pope will give us certitude and clarity.

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Remember when a Bari said that,
and then he said he never said

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that, and people dug out the
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orc the docs don't got no officer
could give them certitude and could give them

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the doctrines because there they don't know
what's true and false. Right, the

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same low tier argument that Michelle Loughton
has relied upon too right for so long.

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Do how you gonna get certainty?
How you gonna get dogmas when you

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ain't got the pope? Do so
the pope gives us the certainty in the

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dogmas? You all got a bunch
of little popes. Oh? Really,

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is Francis providing clarity and certitude on
the death penalty? I guess he has,

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hasn't he? Because he has clearly
certified that the death penalty is no

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longer Roman galic teaching and that it
has changed. You see, where do

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we get ideas that revolutions could occur
in law? Oh? You mean the

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eleventh century or growing reforms of Dictatus
Pope. It is for him alone to

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make laws according to the needs of
the time. What does Francis say in

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is replied to the w the very
thing that Dictatus Pope said. But Dictatus

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Pope was to bel fate the morals
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No, it doesn't matter, because
it's setting the precedent that the pope

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is above the natural law. Like
when you guys used to teach that death

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penalty was part of natural law,
natural justice. Now Francis can sid,

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no, we don't do that anymore. It's contrary to the Gospel. Now

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Francis can say skittles unions are not
the same level of marriage, but they

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can receive a kind of blessing.
And I'm literally saying Roman Catholck's coping.

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Of course, we all know they're
gonna cope. Like Francis can can literally

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slice up an infant in St.
Peter Square on an altar with a giant

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Bapha mat in front of him and
drink the blood, and they'll still cope

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and say, well, but he
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He wasn't doing the liberal black mass
right, because in the liberal black mass

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right it's woke. But you'll notice
when he did the black mass in Saint

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Peter Square, it was in the
actual original Latin of the thirteenth century black

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mass of the Germans. Totty right, they'll literally say something like that,

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I'm not joking. They'll come up
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we got Taylor Marshall over here receiving
visions of the Virgin Mary squirting milk everywhere,

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the milkers are engorged, according to
the Jami's in their lafe. No,

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that's not actually what he says.
That's actually what he said in his

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mystical dream that Mary sent him.
And you Lunicics want to follow these people.

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I can't fathom the people that follow
these people, Like what is going

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on in your heads when you follow
these people and take them seriously? And

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let's look at what Tim brings up
here. Because Tim keeps making the same

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points for seven years. Francis already
taught that people who have immoral lifestyles in

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the Roman Catholic system can now come
to communion. Remember Amoris Letitia taught that

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you can come to communion now in
the Roman Callic church under things under penalties

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that formerly forbade you from communion.
Now Tim was making the point that that

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was setting the precedent for bigger changes
down the road in the Roman Callite church.

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And guess what, oh, Tim
was right. Of course he was,

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because it's not just about that.
It's also about a bunch of other

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big changes, like Deaconess's, which
Roman Catholics already have in the Nova Sorto

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female acolytes. Female acolytes is the
step to deaconess's. Deaconess's is the step

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to women priests. And everyone knows
this. Who's a slippery sloop? Who's

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a slippery sloop? No, it's
not, because look, Francis has already

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signaled. The whispers are that the
syndot on sinidelity will also consider the possibility

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of women and ordination. Now,
I don't know that they're immediately going to

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jump to let's have women priests.
You know, they incrementally do this stuff.

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It's called fabianism. It's called the
incremental slow kill model. It's an

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old bureaucratic technique. You don't drop
everything all at once. You incrementally do

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this stuff. And that's why Tim
was correct to say that the change in

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who could receive communion under the morals
that were previously would ban you from receiving

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community the Romachelly Church, that's the
stepping stone to seven years later will integrate

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a more radical step. It's that
seven years tiptoe right left right, left

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right, and in the middle of
this. This is a classic bureaucratic technique.

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When people have their outrage and they
scream and fuss, you throw them

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at trid bone. Every now and
then, Now, Benedict would throw a

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lot more tried bones, even though
he was still a radical. If you

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read his books, he's absolutely a
theological modernist. I've read about seven of

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Benedict's books, But when it came
to liturgy, he would throw a bone

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to the triadserving, oh, we'll
give you your Latin Mass, as if

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the Latin Mass is some magical thing
that like preserves the romccaulic faith, you

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could be Do you understand you could
be a heretic and go to Latin Mass.

436
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,880
You can have heretics saying the Latin
Mass the faith is more important than

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the Mass. The Mass is part
of faith, but the doctor is the

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beliefs are more important. I mean, if I'm not anti Trinitarian and I

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00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:06,559
go to the Latin Mass, does
it help me in any way if you're

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a Roman Catholic, of course not
so. The faith is first and the

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Mass is underneath that, because you
could have the conceivably the church shut down

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and people can still have the faith. Right. Think about the reconuissant Catholics

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in England. Have you ever been
to places where they have priest holes where

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they would hide the priests in England
when Roman Catholics are being persecuted. They

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didn't have the Mass, or they
had the Mass in secret, you see.

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So I want to remind everybody too
that it's not just advancement in morals.

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That's a big issue here, because
I remember the faith that the pope

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is not just guided and reserved from
error in theology and dogma, it's also

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morals. And by the way,
natural law in the Roman Catholic system is

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more obvious and clear than the theological
dogmas. Right, your first principles come

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out of natural principles, come out
of Risitanism, come out of natural law.

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That's first principles, and then you
build a theology on that. In

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the classical Roman Catholic Thomas view,
so natural law about skittle stuff, backdoor

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00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:39,000
stuff that's more clear than Thomism and
the obscure elements of the Trinity or something

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like that in their view. Right, So how is it just think of

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the irony of this. The payasy, which is supposed to give us clarity,

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unity, certitude, preservation of the
faith, is not even providing that.

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In the areas that are more clear
and more quote self evidence, like

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natural law, we're not talking about
again, obscure theological principle. We're talking

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about natural law, human relations.
What is marriage? So let's look at

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the Dubia and remember Pacha Mama again, big issue, and remember that a

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couple of years ago, as Taylor
Marshall himself had to deal with. Not

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only did Francis say that he's open
to the idea of civil unions. Remember

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that was a big scandal, and
then they all did the cope of he

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didn't officially pronounce it. It doesn't
matter because he writes a letter supporting James

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00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,960
Martin. All the trads had to
do damage control. Remember when Matt Frad

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put up a picture of himself crying
with Francis and the civil unions and there

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that when they're still there coping.
The code machine never ends Roman Copetholicism.

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Look, here's Taylor Marshall having to
do damage control because Pope Francis endorsed the

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most famous Jesuit Skittles man in the
church. Everyone knows it, and they're

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still going to say, well,
he didn't mean it and it's not official.

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It signals his views and now here
we are send it on senidality.

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Thank you, Francis hans Us.
As always, I can always rely on

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Francis to come through anytime there's a
big hubbub online of Roman Catholics, and

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this has been this way for at
least four or five years. I can

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count on within a week or two, Francis comes to my aid and provides

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me drops into my hand a giant, juicy giblet to feast upon, to

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00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,239
demonstrate and to show you all once
again that the Roman Catholic system is not

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just a system, it's a spiritually
damaging institution. I do not mean that

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the individual people in it are bad, or that I hate them or dislike

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00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:14,599
them. I do not hate them
and dislike them. I like them,

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but I want them to not be
under the slavery of this ridiculous system,

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00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:27,519
and the contradictions within this system.
That's what produces the erratic, irrational,

484
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:35,000
emotive behavior of these people, the
subtle piety signaling nasty behavior where they put

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00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,599
up a pious front, but then
secretly they're working to try to get you

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00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,760
deplatformed. That's the nastiness of what
these people are really up to. And

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00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,960
all you people are duped by Michelle
Lofton as if he really cares about nuanced

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00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:53,440
charity and piety. You're being duped, and you're being duped by people way

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above him, because he's a dupe
of the bigger dupes. And the big

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dupes are in Rome, and they
have about one thousand plus years of expertise

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in bureaucracy and in managing and moving
positions, in overton window movement, in

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00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,000
moving the goalposts, and they know
very well, going back to way older

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00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:30,719
than Macchiavelli, the art of opinion
management, of public management. The Vatican

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is an intelligence agency that goes back
way before today's intelligence agent. It's the

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00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,159
oldest intelligence agency in the world.
Do you think they don't know bureaucracy.

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One thing we could say about these
degenerate Borgia and medici era popes is that

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they were not stupid when it came
to geopolitics. When it came to propaganda

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00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:06,559
and bureaucrates, no, they were
masters of that. They were completely wicked

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degenerates, but they were masters of
ruling, in managing perception in people groups.

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And the Vatican today is just the
extension of that older model, of

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the same degenerate corrupt controlled by the
same structures as our government is. And

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all of this, by the way, I want to add one last point

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before we open it up. Well, we're going to look at some of

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00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:39,519
the dubia and the answers first,
but it's not a theological issue ultimately,

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at the end of the day,
this is what a lot of people are

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00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,199
having a hard time understanding. I
mean, ultimately, going back a thousand

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00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,559
years, you could say it's a
theological deviation via you know, Trinity and

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incarnation and created grace and Philly Oquay
and all that. But beyond that in

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today's world, the reality of today's
twentieth century, twenty first century Vatican is

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all the geopolitical stuff that you hear
me talk about. The Roman Catholics themselves

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00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:10,239
are beginning to figure this out,
like the David Winhaff book, John Courtney

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00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,679
Murray Timeline magazine, and the CIA's
doctrinal warfare program. It's the same stuff

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00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,760
that I've been talking about for weeks
now with Operation Gladio and how the Vatican,

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00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,480
an organized crime, and the CIA
had to come together supposedly to fight

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00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,679
the Cold War, but that just
put the Vatican under new masters. And

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00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,440
guess what, the Vatican's under the
same masters they were under since the Cold

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00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:39,440
War, and that's why they do
what they're told so Francis answers to people

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above him, and this partly explains
why Benedict stepped down, because they're blackmail

519
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,880
people. Because blackmail controls these institutions, it has for a long time.

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00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,280
Read Whitney Webb's book Nation under Blackmail. You think that doesn't apply to the

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00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,280
Vatican. You think it's only US
politicians. You don't think it's patriarchs and

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00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,880
cardinals and bishops that are blackmailed.
Of course it is, and that's why

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00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,480
the Romancallay Church is also a giant
front for human trafficking and all kinds of

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00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:15,119
other evils and pedo stuff that everyone
now knows about. So you're defending a

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00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:20,079
giant institution with good people in it
that is run by the wickedest people on

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00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:24,440
the planet. And they throw this
in your face, and like good little

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00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,159
Stockholm syndrome children, you eat it
up. You love it, and that's

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00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:35,559
why they love throwing it in your
face anymore. Even more so you want

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to convince me to come over to
Francis's realm, when Francis is the champion

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00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:47,639
of the revolution, all you tried
cats instead of a contism is not going

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to give you any better answer,
because guess what. Vatican one says that

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there will always be living successors to
the end of the world, to the

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coming of Christ. And if you're
a set of a continent, guess what,

534
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,239
there's no more tried bishops left who
can elect the pope. That's what

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I'm trying to tell you. First
of all, the bishops don't elect the

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pope. The Roman College elects the
pope. And once the Roman College has

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elected a pope, the entire world
receives him, and then he is the

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pope. You can't say, well, oaps, no, he wasn't actually

539
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:27,840
wasn't. He wasn't really ever the
pope, because you've undermined the canonical law

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00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,079
procedures of how the pope is elected
and on what basis he is seen to

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be valid, on the basis of
the reception by the church, the entire

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00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,480
church in the world of Roman Catholicism, the cardinals, the bishops received Francis

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as their pope. And if he
goes into heresy, then the doctrine of

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the indefectibility of the Roman See is
no longer true, and that is part

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of Vatican one. So Vatican one
is no longer true. If Vatican one

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is no longer true. The Romancalloy
Church is not the Roman is not the

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00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,840
true Church. It's we're not doing
right. He gets really complicated, and

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00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,519
you're gonna be get all these documents
and a thousand page books to read.

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00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:15,559
Doesn't matter. Francis is telling you
that the morals change. And the whole

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argument has been the Romancalolic Church does
not change in faith and morals. And

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that's what the Dubia cardinals are all
telling him. Francis, we don't change

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in faith and morals. Five cardinals
have set out a question known as the

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Dubia, to pote Francis to express
their concerns to seek clarification ahead of this

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00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,280
week's opening of the Sin on Sinidelity
of the Vatican. The Dubia are asked

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00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,559
answered our questions brought before the Pope
and the appropriate Vatican office. That seeks

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a simple yes or no. Of
course, Francis hilariously does not answer with

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00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:52,119
a yes or no. Francis answers
with a lot of Pope explaining himself,

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which is funny. H And by
the way, I'm gonna go to where

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Tim covers this, so you see
that this is not just me. Line

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00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,119
Diar's line about what we're gonna look
at other Roman Catholics talking about what happened

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00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:14,000
the cardinal. The prelates are Cardinal
Bran Mueller, Cardinal Burke, Chinese Cardinals

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Zenzai Kung, Mexican Cardinal Ignias,
and Ghanaian Cardinal Sarah. These are the

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00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:30,880
supposed trads amongst the Novasorto because the
Pope answered at length and is not a

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customary yes or note, so they
wanted yes or nose. Francis wrote giant

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00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,400
walls of text, which is funny. The Pope has not responded to the

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00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:50,400
group resubmitted it. So here's Francis's
responses, should we reinterpret divine revelation according

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to today's cultural and anthropological changes that
are in vogue? And then Francis's response

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00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,039
is, the answer depends on the
meaning to reinterpret. So here we're getting

569
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:04,360
some Jordan Peter sony in it.
Well, it depends on what you mean

570
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:10,400
by reinterpret depends on what you mean
buckle. If interpret means to this is

571
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,599
a bunch of gibberish, does it
mean to interpret better? And he says

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that the judgment of the Church can
mature, and then he cites uh Oh

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Vatican two. Wait a minute,
So here in France is saying the judgment

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of the Church evolves. Bro that's
in our Vatican two documents. So it's

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00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:35,000
funny because so Francis is throwing Vatican
two back at the Roman Catholics that are

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00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,920
citing Vatican one A Vatican two am, I mean, all of this is

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00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,159
just so absurd, right. Therefore, while it's true that divine revelation is

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immutable in binding, the Church has
to be humble and recognize that she never

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00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,639
exhausts its unfathomable richness and needs to
grow. And I understand it. Okay.

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:54:01,800
So again, so doctrine in revelation
doesn't change, but our interpretation of

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00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,199
it, which is all we have
access to and all we have it,

582
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:12,280
grows, immatures and changes. So
in other words, there is an evolution

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of doctrine. Therefore, also she
matures in her understanding of what the magistarium

584
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:23,079
is. So not only does the
Church mature or evolve in its understanding of

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00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:30,760
divine revelation, the divine magisterial teachings
are also reformable and subject to maturation.

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Now remember this is actually condemned in
lamentabilei and in piss the Knights documents and

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Denzinger, and you can read all
these documents, and if you don't have

588
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:44,480
Denzinger, you can read the popes
against the modern errors. Basically, the

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00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:49,960
stuff that Francis says is literally what's
condemned in lamentabiley and pious, the sense

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00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:59,880
paced dominici, gragious and cyclical.
Cultural changes and new challenges of history don't

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00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:05,440
modify the revelation itself, but they
stimulate us to be more explicit in the

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00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:10,800
overflowing richness, which offers more so
masters of ambiguity. Here right, again,

593
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,239
we want to know, you know, can dudes put their thing in

594
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:22,119
another dude's hole? And here's our
answer. Right, it is inevitable that

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00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,880
this may lead to a better expression
of the past and the statements of the

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00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,159
magistarium, and this has happened throughout
history. On the other hand, the

597
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:36,239
magistarium is not the superior of the
Word of God. It is true that

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00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,480
the text of scripture and the Testaments
tradition need an interpretation that allows us to

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00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:45,920
distinguish the perennial substance from the cultural
conditioning. So here he's saying, well,

600
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look, some of what is the
perennial for all time teaching is different

601
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from the cultural conditioning. This is
evident in the biblical text, for example,

602
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,960
Exodus twenty one twenty to twenty one, where you have mentions of slavery,

603
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,960
and then get this, the news
system of teaching on women so that

604
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:12,599
women should be subbortinate to their husbands, according to Francis, was a cultural

605
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,280
teaching of that time, and we
no longer believe in patriarchal submission. That's

606
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:23,760
actually false. So here Francis is
once again giving props to feminism and basically

607
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:30,960
saying the Bible is wrong. And
Tim and his wife even admit this in

608
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:36,199
their stream. They admit, yeah, France is basically saying the Bible's wrong

609
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:38,639
because that was a cultural issue to
think that men should say that women should

610
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:44,199
submit to men. Francis goes on
to say, it's important to realize that

611
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:49,760
what cannot change is the salvation,
the doctrines that are revealed for the salvation

612
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,599
of all. So in other words, now there's a distinction between divine revelation

613
00:56:52,840 --> 00:57:00,400
is actually distinguished between historical things.
Right, So he's basically promote higher criticism

614
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:06,960
and then this other category of things
that are revealed for salvation so in other

615
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,320
words, salviafic things, which is
unclear what that is. So does that

616
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,840
mean the incarnation of Christ? Is
that a symbolic subject of change thing,

617
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,159
or is that a doctrine that's necessary
for salvation? Now most Roman Catholics will

618
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:21,760
say, well, that's desary for
salvation. But a minute, Jesus says,

619
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,719
sees the new atom. So that
seems to suggest that Adam and Eve

620
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,360
were historical people and that Genesis is
historical. No, that's a cultural condition

621
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,440
thing. Well but wait a minute, you see how those go together.

622
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,320
And this ambiguity just allows for a
bunch of double talk and a bunch of

623
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,920
lying and deception, which is what
all the people who argue for the Bible

624
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,800
being full of errors due. So
again Francis is admitting and capitulating, totally,

625
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:51,639
totally saying that he believes here in
higher critical studies of the Bible.

626
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,119
For this reason, the church must
discern between what is essential for the salvation

627
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,440
and what isn't is less directly connected
with the scholars secondary. I agree that

628
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,880
you know clearly there are things in
scripture that would be secondary, right,

629
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I mean, mastering Deuteronomy is not
going to be necessary for my salvation.

630
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But to then turn around and say
that, well, Deuteronomy, you see,

631
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,559
can be cultural and full of errors. That's a non sequitur, and

632
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:20,199
that's false. And then he says
that he quotes a Quitas to the effect

633
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,960
that there are things that are more
important and less important in scripture. But

634
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:28,400
now, remember this is the question
about divine revelation of and morals, and

635
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:30,760
France has already said, well,
look, morals changed on slavery, and

636
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:37,199
morals changed on women submitting to husbands, did they Maybe in Francis's church they

637
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:45,679
did. The formulation of a truth
is never adequately understood in isolation if it's

638
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:51,280
isolated from the rich, harmonious context
of the whole the hierarchy of truths,

639
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:55,559
So you see there's actually a hierarchy
now truth. And apparently the line of

640
00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:04,079
argument that he's going in is that
something like two dudes is and can be

641
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:10,519
understood as a culturally evolving thing that
might have been seen as immoral and inherently

642
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:17,039
evil in the ancient and medieval world. But much like slavery and feminism is

643
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:23,119
now okay. Slavery has been done
away with, feminism is now the norm,

644
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,199
and so now we can have if
feminism can be the norm, this

645
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,679
is the argument, then so can
this be the norm? And does this

646
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,920
not vindicate what Rachel has said for
so long? Feminism is the first revolution

647
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,320
in the West that prepares the way
and is the justice subsequent justification for all

648
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:44,360
the other revolutionary principles. Well,
we have feminism, so why can't we

649
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,320
have the revolution of skittles and the
revolution against biology itself? With tr A

650
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:54,559
N s Exactly. So that's not
a slippery slope fallacy. That's actually where

651
00:59:54,679 --> 01:00:05,119
this leads. So then Francis goes
on. The next dubium is the claim

652
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:09,840
that widespread practice of the blessing of
unions not quote Skittle's marriage, but a

653
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,960
blessing of a kind of union.
So this is still the church granting a

654
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:20,760
blessing. Right, It's not saying
that it's the sacrament of marriage, but

655
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,559
it's giving approval to this. Now, wait a minute, could the church

656
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:29,960
then, as ten points out,
could the church then give blessing to murder?

657
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:34,079
I mean, why can't that moral
change? Why can't that moral evolve?

658
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,880
I mean, can I have a
harem? Can I live with a

659
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,440
bunch of thoughts? Why not?
By the way, isn't living with a

660
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:49,280
bunch of thoughts less unnatural than what
is being proposed here. Yes, it

661
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,480
is. In fact, Aquinas argues
that. Aquinas even argues that I n

662
01:00:52,639 --> 01:01:04,440
ceest is less unnatural and less of
a sin than skittles, because skittles is

663
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,400
more unnatural because it goes against the
purpose. Even if I am with a

664
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:15,719
relative sister, mom or whatever.
In a Quitas's view and in medieval Catholic

665
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,760
views, that is more unnatural.
I kid you not, and I'm happy

666
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,760
to debate this if it's any idiot
Roman Catholic thinks this isn't the case.

667
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,400
No, having a harem or sleeping
with your sister is not as bad in

668
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:39,159
medieval and traditional Romancalitic theology as the
skittles stuff, because it's more unnatural and

669
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:44,599
it's more rew removed from the tie
loose in the purpose of the act in

670
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:52,519
their system. But where is Francis
on? Uh? Tape bro? Well,

671
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,199
I'm a tape bro. I want
to hear them. Can can we

672
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,679
evolve Roman Catholicism for me to have
that? No? No, no,

673
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:05,960
you see, the only evolution is
in the direction of the most degenerate globalist

674
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,239
goals. Now I'm not saying that
it's good to have a harem, but

675
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:15,639
I'm saying that that's against feminism.
You're not gonna get your tait harem in

676
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:23,199
an institution that is simultaneously pushing feminism. But what I'm saying is that what

677
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:31,199
he's pushing is far worse than polygamy. Isn't that wild? And even Aquinas

678
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:37,480
s admits that polygamy is not as
bad as this stuff. What an amazing

679
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:42,559
evolution and what an amazing time that
we live in that this is now.

680
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,920
I would have never dreamed they would
go this far and that Francis would do

681
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,039
this kind of stuff. I mean, I left all this stuff a long

682
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,960
time ago, but I can't believe
that they're that bold to do this.

683
01:02:54,639 --> 01:03:01,480
But I guess because they answer to
more powerful people than them. I mean,

684
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:07,320
they do what they're told, and
if you don't do what you're told,

685
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,679
you might meet a well. Number
one, you're not gonna you're probably

686
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:15,960
not gonna get taken. You might
if you keep persisting. But if you

687
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,840
don't do what you're told, then
the media is gonna know about what you

688
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:29,599
did in that brothel five years ago
in Haiti or wherever. Right, That's

689
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:42,559
how it works. And remember,
Francis has openly and clearly stated that he's

690
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:46,119
aligned with all of the same global
elite actors, all of the same World

691
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:51,960
Economic form Davos people for years,
very open about this. His mentor is

692
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:57,280
one of Klaus's BFFs. His mentor, that dude that was a liberation theology

693
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:03,320
guy is Klaus's close confidant. And
what did Francis do some years ago?

694
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,519
I did a whole video on this, and nobody paid attention to it or

695
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:14,639
the algorithm buried it. Inclusive capitalism
the Vatican's acceptance of inclusive capitalism remember this,

696
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:19,960
and this was a joint goal between
World Economic Forum, the UN,

697
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:31,480
Ralph Childs and Francis. And if
you didn't watch this video, you should.

698
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:39,840
Pope Francis the great reset inclusive capitalism
and the world religion Michael Lofta refuted.

699
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,400
And again it doesn't stop there.
Remember the Abu Dhabi Faith Center.

700
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,000
Are you seeing a pattern with Francis? Are we seeing a pattern here?

701
01:04:51,360 --> 01:05:00,719
Every goal that the technocratic global elite
want, Francis openly pushes and these people

702
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:04,880
want to argue about was I too
mean? In a debate five years ago?

703
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:13,840
Was my Ebarra joke to mean,
these people are unbelievable and ridiculous people.

704
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:21,440
And again it's all because of the
insecurity and their fear that I might

705
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:28,280
just be right and then their position
is wrong, and so there is this

706
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:41,880
wild reaction, which I understand.
But your devotion, your attachment, is

707
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,880
not going to make this system right. It's not going to cause it to

708
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:57,039
be true. Magical thinking, magical
thinking. The reality is that Francis works

709
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,159
with and is a tool of the
global elle that you hear me talk about

710
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,440
all the time. And guess what. That's why he pushes all of their

711
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:12,039
goals openly. For however, many
remember his ten Commandments of Climate. Remember

712
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:16,360
Francis's ten Commandments of the Climate.
I mean, I can't even remember all

713
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,920
of these. Francis is like every
week a new one, So who could

714
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:26,039
even keep up with all this?
But again it's nothing new. Dick Titus

715
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:33,800
Pope ten seventy five. Dick Tatus
Pope was included in the Pope's Register of

716
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:39,239
ten to seventy five under Pope Gregory. Whether it was written by him or

717
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,480
not, we don't know, but
it was at least in the Papal Registry

718
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:45,679
of ten seventy five, and what
do we have him say a thousand years

719
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:53,960
ago, the pope alone, according
to the needs of the time, can

720
01:06:54,079 --> 01:07:01,000
make new laws. And that just
evolved to me that he can now define

721
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:06,760
and reinterpret the moral order as well. This is exactly what we see in

722
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:11,159
the responses to the Dubia. So
let's get to the next Dubia. Here

723
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:20,719
Francis says about the blessing of skittles. Francis says, there is a clear

724
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:26,519
teaching of marriage. We know that
it's a union of man and woman.

725
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,960
It's indissoluble, it's for the purpose
of begetting children. And then he says,

726
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,599
and he cites himself, it's only
a partial and analogous way if it's

727
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:45,440
another kind of union. Oh wait
a minute, oh what the union between

728
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:51,000
a man and a woman is what
marriage is. Other forms of union are

729
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:57,960
partial and analogous, so they can't
strictly be called marriage, but they're analogous

730
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:01,920
to impartial unions, you see.
So he's left the door open to a

731
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:12,199
type of union between a couple of
hot dogs. Touching hot dogs is also

732
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:15,359
an analogous kind of union because kind
of like Pacha mama, right, I

733
01:08:15,439 --> 01:08:19,359
mean Pacha Mama is an analogous type
of thing, kind of like Mary.

734
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:25,720
It's an image, it's a it's
a goddess woman Mary. Kind of like

735
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,720
a goddess woman, Pacha Mama Mary. The same thing putting a hot dog

736
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:35,439
in a bun in a hole,
putting two hot dogs together. That's kind

737
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,960
of a union between two people.
That's kind of like what happens between a

738
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,680
man and a woman. It's partial, it's analogous, but it's kind of

739
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,000
a union. Right. Look at
the absurdity of the stupid theology and what's

740
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:56,920
Francis's source himself, his own encyclical. What is going on to the head

741
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,880
of Roman Catholics to believe this?
I mean, this is a It's like,

742
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,039
I'm sorry to think. It's not
even the worship of just bear authority

743
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:09,720
anymore. It's the worship of bureaucracy. All we got this worship bureaucracy in

744
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,880
Casustri. By the way, if
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745
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We're gonna open it up here in a

746
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,640
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747
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,479
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748
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,760
and leave a super chat. There's
the link right there, and I'll answer

749
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,239
your questions when we get to those. Francis goes on, it's not just

750
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:35,960
a question of names, but reality, marriage is a unique, essential constitution,

751
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:41,520
and it demands an exclusive name.
So we can't call the other things

752
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,520
marriage, but they're kind of an
analogous union. For this reason, the

753
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:50,600
Church does not give sacramental privileges to
those things. Right, in dealing with

754
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:56,920
people, we must not lose pastoral
charity, charitable and nuanced. Bro Hey

755
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:01,159
dog, This Francis is charitable and
nuance. It must permeate all of our

756
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:05,920
decisions and our attitudes. The defensive
objective truth is not only the expression of

757
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,159
this charity, which is also kindness. Okay, so we got to be

758
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:15,239
nice to people, Yeah, we
got it, but patience, understanding tenderness

759
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:20,000
and encouragement like writing letters of encouragement
to and support to James Martin, the

760
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:25,960
biggest Skittles promoter in Rome. For
this reason, pastoral prudence must discern whether

761
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,720
there are other types of blessings.
Oh so you see, it's pastoral to

762
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:36,439
give another type of blessing to the
analogous union of two hot dogs. Touching.

763
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,960
I mean, hot dogs that men
have are privy parts, and when

764
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,279
they touch it's kind of analogous to
what happens between a man and a woman.

765
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,119
Kind I mean, don't use days, it's I mean, it's kind

766
01:10:49,199 --> 01:11:01,560
of unbelievable. For this reason,
you must discern when this is requested by

767
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:11,600
skittles, the request for blessing is
a request. Oh, it's help from

768
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:16,359
God. It's a plea for better
life. So to bless the union of

769
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:24,720
Skittles is to signify help these people
live a better life. Notice the ambiguity

770
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,399
here. No, No, it's
a blessing of acceptance. Bless these people

771
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:34,960
in their endeavor. Everybody knows that. And then he says, however,

772
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:42,079
there might be situations where there are
other approaches. We don't simply treat these

773
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:46,039
people as sinners, and then he
cites the previous pope, John Paul the

774
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:50,960
Second, who prayed with voodoo worshippers
and did all kinds of acts of apostse.

775
01:11:51,039 --> 01:12:01,520
You understand that the outward actions of
a cz the compromise of public worship

776
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:09,279
to affirm and to promote Pacha Mama, which is just doing what John Paul

777
01:12:09,319 --> 01:12:12,720
and Francis did with a sez one
and two where they openly prayed together with

778
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,720
Buddhists, Voodoo worshippers, Shinto and
all the world religions, which is itself

779
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:21,800
an act of apostasy. All this
is is the moral reflection of their religious

780
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:30,800
apostasy. It's impossible to theologically deviate
without also more, they always go together.

781
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:38,079
As what I'm trying to say,
the theological deviation is almost always tied

782
01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:43,199
to a moral deviation, and the
two will always go together. And that's

783
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,600
what you read. Just go read
the Book of Numbers, read about bail

784
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:53,239
Pure. This is all a repeating
of bail Pure. So when John Paul

785
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:59,720
the second does all these public apostasy
actions by signifying that in his action of

786
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:05,359
prayer with all the world religions,
the action assumes that everybody is on an

787
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:15,680
equal plane imploring God. But that
is to according to Mortalium Animals, surrender

788
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,399
the Catholic faith. Interfaith gatherings are
a surrendering of an apostasy from the true

789
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,520
faith, according to Mortalium Animus in
nineteen twenty eight of PI c. Eleven.

790
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,159
So what does it mean. Is
it all propositional? No, it's

791
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:33,920
a surrendering of the morals, that
there's a connection between heresy and morals.

792
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:43,359
The two go together. That's what
I'm trying to say. Heresy is a

793
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,600
moral problem, not primarily an intellectual
problem. That's what they don't understand.

794
01:13:48,319 --> 01:13:54,399
They think that this is a big
intellectual system that you can perfectly scheme out,

795
01:13:54,520 --> 01:14:01,920
like writing an algorithm or writing computer
code. Trad cat Catholicism is for

796
01:14:02,119 --> 01:14:08,920
spurgs that obsess over role playing games
and computer codes. No, no,

797
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:19,359
you've got it all backwards. The
reality is intellectual problems are secondary. Moral

798
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,279
problems are the real problem. And
I'm concluding, by the way, the

799
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:28,520
worship of God is part of a
moral problem because God does not accept the

800
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:33,199
worship of Pachamama and a CZ one
and two where all the world religions are

801
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:39,560
praying together. That's not acceptable worship. That's a moral problem. Idolatry is

802
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:45,960
a moral sin. So the theological
errors are second to the moral error and

803
01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:49,319
corruption, which is all the pedo
and skittle stuff and the hot dogs touching,

804
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,720
which is an analogous marriage. It's
an analogous union. So there's a

805
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,600
guy in the chat, Hey,
you want to come to bay Dude,

806
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,239
Guess what Today's your day. Here. There is the link right here,

807
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:04,119
dude, in the chat. The
link is right there for you to come

808
01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:10,439
on my Twitter space and request to
speak and get in line. Who's frank

809
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,359
Pope Francis, Who do you think
I'm talking about? All right? So

810
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,399
back to the statement. So Francis
goes on to say, we're going to

811
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,960
open it up here in a minute, if we get through Francis's long winded

812
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:27,880
wall of text here which again the
question was just Francis, can hotdogs be

813
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:33,680
put in exit only organs? And
then we get walls of text from Francis.

814
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:40,920
I'm not joking either that the questions
were dubia that wanted yes or no,

815
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,520
And so notice Francis can't give you
yes or no. Francis gives citations

816
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,199
of himself, says, go read
me where I said this, which,

817
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:54,880
by the way, is kind of
a subtle middle finger to them. And

818
01:15:55,119 --> 01:16:00,439
remember, it doesn't matter how many
trad based, pseudo based cardinals and prelates

819
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,880
come together. No one judges the
first sea. It doesn't matter if every

820
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:10,159
bishop and cardinal in the world comes
together and says we don't like you,

821
01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:14,319
Francis. Francis is above them,
and no one judges the first sea,

822
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:20,279
so none of this even matters in
their system. There are situations that might,

823
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:25,039
from an objective perspective, point to
a view that's not morally acceptable.

824
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,680
So he's basically saying, you can't
just like bless everything. It's not what

825
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,000
we want to do in all cases. But there might be cases where you

826
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:40,199
can so again totally ambiguous, totally
becoming relative. Relativistic decisions and certain circumstances

827
01:16:40,279 --> 01:16:44,640
can form a pastoral prudence, but
they should not become the norm. Right,

828
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:56,560
So he's saying that don't bless every
single analogous hot dog union, but

829
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,840
in some cases you can't wink wink, that is to say, it's not

830
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:06,520
appropriate diocese or the conference to constantly
and officially do this all the time.

831
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:12,119
So he's giving you an out.
But he's also this is throwing a bone

832
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:15,319
to the pseudo trads who think that, well, look roll red, you

833
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:19,720
shouldn't do in all cases. And
Tim is absolutely correct to point out that

834
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:27,039
that's exactly what they said seven years
ago when Francis allowed for the reversal of

835
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,520
the communion canons in Rome. The
reversal of the community canons prepared the way

836
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:36,399
for this, as everyone who has
any wisdom could see and guess what,

837
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:42,279
It's the same thing in the Orthodox
Church. The same entities that are behind

838
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:46,079
Francis and connected to the push for
this stuff in Rome are the exact same

839
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:51,920
entities that are saying that, via
Bartholomew and the Arcons, we need to

840
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:58,359
have women deconesses throughout Orthodoxy, and
also, by the way, we should

841
01:17:58,359 --> 01:18:01,399
also have some kind of blessing of
these unions in Orthodoxy. It always goes

842
01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:05,960
together. Why because the same entities
and geopolitical powers behind Francis, Diavos,

843
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,600
world economic form, all this stuff. Again, Francis is BFF and mentor

844
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:17,720
was Klaus's BFF the liberation Cardinal Dude, They're all in the same club,

845
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:23,720
pushing the same agenda. And this
is an anticipation of twenty twenty five and

846
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:28,479
the potentiality of a union with the
so called Orthodox. Why do I say

847
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,600
the so called Orthodox, because anybody
who's under Betholomy and wants to go back

848
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:36,720
to Rome is certainly not Orthodox,
the Orthodox in name, because you would

849
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,079
have to be under total delusion,
and you'd have to have lost all of

850
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:50,119
your discernment to want to go to
this but I mean the members of go

851
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:55,439
Arch or the members of the OCA, or of any of the jurisdictions that

852
01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:01,600
want to go to this be my
guest. Go please leave us alone,

853
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,319
Go away and go be with Francis. And to all the people that are

854
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:10,840
coping, what are you coping about? If you want Roman Francis, go

855
01:19:11,039 --> 01:19:15,159
be with Roman Francis. Tim Flanders, you chose this. You said how

856
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:20,199
arrogant we were and how humble you
were in your youtubes and your live treams.

857
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:26,600
Now you're over here printing texts about
how Francis is potentially heretic, violating

858
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,279
your own ideas and claims about how
humble you were. Remember does everybody forget

859
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,479
what these people do and how they
argue and what they said I'm not talking

860
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:39,680
about was he mean? He was
mean? Seven years ago in a debate

861
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:51,159
you hoe the Crusader Teutonic Knights got
their feelings hurt. Anyway, we got

862
01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:54,840
to finish the dubio or I'll never
get I'll never I'll never get done.

863
01:19:59,279 --> 01:20:02,800
So don't give to everybody, because
if you did, it would lead to

864
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:08,640
an intolerable casustri. Canon law should
not and cannot color everything, nor should

865
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,199
a piscopal conferences claim to do so
because the life of the Church runs through

866
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:17,600
many channels in addition to the normative
ones. The next question from the rebellious

867
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:26,239
conservatives, quote unquote, we are
concerned about the assertion that senidelity is an

868
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:32,039
essential element of the church according to
the absolute constitution episcopalis communio, so the

869
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:39,399
church would be sonodal. So ironically, Francis is basically restating Vatican two to

870
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:45,000
them that began to recognize the problems
of the claims of Vatican One via Orthodox

871
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:49,119
argumentation. For those that don't know, we've already done entire streams on the

872
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:54,920
Alexandria document and the Chi eighty document, and so here France is actually correct

873
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:00,359
because he's admitting the Orthodox points,
all of which we went through. Now

874
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:05,159
I'm gonna give you the link to
this, because people again just ignored it.

875
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,520
The tras, the Roman callies were
totally silent. I've not seen any

876
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,840
of them reply to Alexandria yet.
Maybe they will, maybe some one of

877
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:20,800
them did somewhere, and I just
missed it. But the Alexandria document just

878
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:27,720
happened, and it's the theological commission
between Orthodox and Roman Catholics on the notion

879
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:35,079
of senidality, that is sinodal church
government synods as in not just papal papal

880
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:43,359
church government or ecclesiastical sonodal church government. Two models. Vatican two, for

881
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:51,079
many reasons, tried to give a
balancing move away from the papalism and ultra

882
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:58,319
montanism Vatican one, to balance it
out with also trying to bring in collegiality

883
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,479
in the Roman Catholic struere and many
of the Vatican two documents discussed this,

884
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:10,840
it's their point. So since that
time, the quote ecumenical dialogue has been

885
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:19,600
concerned with trying to reach out to
the Orthodoxy to us to bring us back

886
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:27,560
into union under the admissions first of
Vatican two. Then we get this document

887
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:32,960
called the Chiaty document. And the
Chiady Document was important because it admitted at

888
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:38,319
the very end of it that in
the first thousand years the pope did not

889
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:45,000
exercise unilateral universal control and jurisdiction.
So that's a tremendous admission. At that

890
01:22:45,279 --> 01:22:49,119
time, Roman Catholic apologists were saying, this is an admission because this is

891
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:56,039
a papally approved commission. Francis is
signing off and approving these documents. This

892
01:22:56,199 --> 01:23:00,920
is an admission that Francis and Vatican
one are false. Remember that guy for

893
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:04,399
Catholic World Report, that doctor whatever
his name, was basically saying, how

894
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,960
do we deal with this? This
is an admission that we contradicted. Well,

895
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:13,119
guess what Chiata was weak sauce.
Chiada was weak sauce. Compared to

896
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:18,640
Alexandria. Alexandria went almost the full
way. Ninety five percent of our arguments

897
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:23,199
are admitted in the Alexandria document,
which just happened about a month ago,

898
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,439
maybe two months ago. We went
through the entire document. It's not that

899
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,600
long. You need to read it
if you haven't. It's crucial to this

900
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:41,439
whole discussion, an event because why
because what's the synod on Francis's synod that

901
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:46,640
they're all up in arms about is
Francis's synod on sinidelity. And it's not

902
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:58,199
just about skittles and women deacons and
whatever else. It's also about us Orthodox

903
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,800
because they want to offer and try
to bring us back. Supposedly, all

904
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,800
they're going to get out of this
is the worst elements within our church.

905
01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:13,159
Yes, please don't let the royal
doors hit you on the way out.

906
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,039
Head on it. Please get out
of here as quick as possible. Go

907
01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:25,640
to him. Go have your Antichrist
union. No one wants you in our

908
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:32,000
church anyway. You're cancer and destructive. All you forward in people. Please

909
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,960
go have your hot dog fest with
Francis. He's given it to you.

910
01:24:38,119 --> 01:24:43,640
Go be with him. So this
is great for us. Actually this is

911
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:50,680
a separating a week from chaff And
when I was talking to him about this

912
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:55,119
the other day, I was explaining
to him, you understand that centidelity relates

913
01:24:55,199 --> 01:25:00,279
to the document that they just did
for the Orthodox. The document is called

914
01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:10,720
the Unsenidelity. So Francis is now
talking about this very thing in this answer

915
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,560
to the Dubium number three, and
France is actually correct. He's correct on

916
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,439
this point. Don't misunderstand me,
because when I said this last time,

917
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,760
somebody thought I was saying that now
we need to go back to Rome because

918
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:26,800
Francis is to a document admits ninety
to ninety five percent of our positions.

919
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,279
I didn't know. I'm not saying
that, of course not. I'm saying

920
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:34,520
that the admission of the document proves
we're correct. This is Francis saying the

921
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:41,319
Orthodox were right, This is Rome
saying it. He's not an infallible document.

922
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,199
He's not an available document. He's
not an infallible It doesn't matter.

923
01:25:45,399 --> 01:25:47,079
It doesn't have to be an infallible
document. That has nothing to do with

924
01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:59,600
whether it's true false, or whether
it's heresy in the Romagai view anyway.

925
01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:05,399
So Francis basically concedes to the point
about collegiality that we covered in the whole

926
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:12,359
podcast that we did with David and
Snack breaking down the synot on snidality.

927
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:15,920
It's almost like when you read the
the au Me, the the Alexandria document,

928
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,439
not the cynoncinality. It's almost like
when you read it, they were

929
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:24,079
listening to me and UBI over the
last six years. I don't actually think

930
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:26,600
that. I just think it's funny
to say that, because that's basically the

931
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:32,199
line of argumentation there. Uh again, if you've not watched that podcast we

932
01:26:32,279 --> 01:26:35,079
did, it's right there. It's
it's this is I mean, this is

933
01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:40,479
amazing stuff. But notice most of
them won't even pay attention to this.

934
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,199
They ignore all this and they just
shout out their low tier like one liners.

935
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:47,880
But you got divorce and remge.
Oh, you mean like the Canons

936
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:54,560
of Basil, which your pope accepted
for centuries, those canons that your church

937
01:26:54,640 --> 01:27:00,239
used to accept those Oh yeah,
exactly, Well, church could change teaching,

938
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:05,239
Oh yeah, exactly. You understand, you changed teaching a long time

939
01:27:05,279 --> 01:27:11,399
ago. So Francis isn't doing anything
different than what the popes have done for

940
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:17,720
the last thousand plus years. The
next dubium is about pastors and theologian support

941
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:25,399
for theology changing and the question of
ordination for women, and let's see how

942
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:30,800
francis response to this. The common
priesthood of the faithful and ministerial priesthood differs,

943
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:38,439
so he cites Vatican ellumin Genten,
Vatican two. He says that women

944
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:44,399
cannot be the normal priesthood, but
there's a lower secondary category of a lower

945
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,520
degree of priesthood, of the priesthood
of all believers, right, John Paul

946
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:56,399
the second affirm that was necessary to
definitively state the impossibility of priestly ordination for

947
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,479
women. But he was not belittling
women, blah blah blah. But he

948
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:06,640
also affirmed other things. These are
words that are not sufficiently accepted. He

949
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:13,960
clearly maintained that while the priests alone
presides at the Eucharist, the priest does

950
01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:16,159
not have superiority over the others.
Oh, actually, yes, they do.

951
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:21,479
A male priest has superiority over anyone
else, including deacons or lady I

952
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:28,039
likewise affirm that the priestly function is
if it is hierarchical, is not supposed

953
01:28:28,039 --> 01:28:32,880
to be domination. Who thought that
it was? Is not to be understood

954
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:38,359
as a consequence of the distinctions that
are drawn. Blah blah blah. Women

955
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,000
and other people should participate in the
life of the church. Nobody was asking

956
01:28:42,279 --> 01:28:45,760
or suggesting that they shouldn't. On
the other hand, to be rigorous,

957
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:50,760
we should recognize that clear and authoritative
doctrine has not been developed about the nature

958
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:57,279
of definitive statements. So wait a
minute, I thought, remember how robic

959
01:28:57,319 --> 01:29:00,960
as forever would say that us that
we can't have women briefs. And now

960
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,439
francis saying, well, but doctrine
evolves, and so we don't know exactly

961
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,880
what the nature of definitive Wait abnute, I thought definitive statements were definitive statements.

962
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,359
With Francis, we don't know what
is the exact nature of a definitive

963
01:29:13,359 --> 01:29:18,720
statement. Oh, it's not a
dogmatic, dogmatic definition, but it must

964
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:29,479
be observed by all. You can't
contradict it interesting, Hm, I thought

965
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:35,279
the pope was there to give us
unity, clarity, guidance, and assurance

966
01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:44,359
and preservation of the faith. What
have they said incessantly in their pap apologetics

967
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:54,119
for decades, but especially the incessant, annoying online YouTube pap apologetics the Orthodox

968
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,840
and by extension, they would say
Protestants too don't have doctrinal certainty, unity,

969
01:29:59,279 --> 01:30:04,199
clarity, preservation of truth, and
the ability to make decisions on faith

970
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:09,399
and morals. And now Francis is
telling us that, oh, yeah,

971
01:30:09,399 --> 01:30:13,399
all those things that you thought were
definitive might not actually be definitive, because

972
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,359
what does it mean to be definitive? We got a lot of Jordan Petersonian

973
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,600
is it? Well, what's that? What's it mean to be definitive?

974
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,960
Depends on what you mean? Buckle, Well, you know you've got a

975
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:32,680
lot of problems there. Forgiveness is
a human right. I don't know that

976
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,560
One's not that interesting to me.
So I guess this relates to divorce,

977
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:40,960
remarriage and communion or whatever, So
that one I don't really care about.

978
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:46,560
But so those are the dubium And
uh seems like Francis's ambiguous replies are actually

979
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:51,239
pretty clear. So uh, that's
at least what Francis is signaling of where

980
01:30:51,239 --> 01:30:56,920
he wants to go. And none
of this is inconsistent with Francis's previous actions

981
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:02,560
that they previously had to do co
explaining over, such as the open support

982
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:10,319
for James Martin. Why would Francis'
actions be inconsistent if he's already given a

983
01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:13,560
letter of open support to James Martin. Why is anybody surprised by this?

984
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:20,039
And so we should give some credence
to Tim because Tim is admitting essentially the

985
01:31:20,079 --> 01:31:24,399
same position here. Now, I
mean, I'm not saying he's admitting orthodox

986
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:30,359
positions. I'm saying that Tim is
admitting what the Doobier replies say. And

987
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,359
I'll just play a little bit of
this so we can see what Tim's arguing

988
01:31:34,279 --> 01:31:41,760
and you'll see that I'm not being
unfair or deceptive or lying about what their

989
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,520
positions are. I'll start it just
here, briefly, just a little bit

990
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,920
of what he says. Let's say, homo sapien, homo sapien, homo

991
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:55,640
sapien acts acts of humans would be
presented practically as a good, or at

992
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,560
least as the possible good that God
asks of people. In their journey toward

993
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:05,439
Him. Here's the penton bolded part. So let us rephrase our dubium.

994
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:15,880
Is it possible that in some circumstances
a pastor could bless unions between Homo sapian

995
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:23,039
persons, thus suggesting that Homo sapian
behavior as such would not be contrary to

996
01:32:23,119 --> 01:32:28,840
God's law and the person's journey towards
God. Linked to this dubium is the

997
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:33,399
need to raise another? Does the
teaching upheld by the Universal Ordinary Magisterium that

998
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:41,760
every sexual act outside of marriage,
and in particular Homo sapian acts, constitutes

999
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,880
an objectively grave sin against God's law, regardless of the circumstance in which it

1000
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:50,079
takes place and the intention with which
it is carried out, continue to be

1001
01:32:50,199 --> 01:32:58,159
valid. Perfectly fair question, Now
that one was pretty terse. Now look

1002
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:05,479
how many parts to this answer?
Seven parts to this interloper's answer Pope Frances'

1003
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:12,520
answer ready Dubium two Part A.
First part of the answer. The Church

1004
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:17,800
has a very clear conception of marriage. See they didn't knock this down enough.

1005
01:33:18,119 --> 01:33:23,319
He's just gonna say, look,
the Homo sapiens, they can never

1006
01:33:23,359 --> 01:33:27,600
get married. Who cares? The
Church has a very clear conception of marriage,

1007
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,239
an exclusive, stable, and indissoluble
union between a man and a woman,

1008
01:33:33,039 --> 01:33:39,640
naturally open to the begetting of children
only. This union is called marriage.

1009
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:44,319
Like Darcidius, he is darth Sidius. I'm gonna just start calling him

1010
01:33:44,359 --> 01:33:50,279
Darcidius. Other forms of union are
realized only in a partial and analogous way.

1011
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:55,720
And guess who he cites here himself? He cites a Morse Lititsia two

1012
01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:00,520
ninety two, which is why they
cannot strictly be called marriage. Other forms

1013
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:05,479
of union are realized only in a
partial and analogous way. They're not partial

1014
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:12,039
or analogous the way if you play
half a baseball game, whatever, half

1015
01:34:12,039 --> 01:34:14,680
a football game. Let's say you
get injured right before halftime, you played

1016
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:20,319
half the game. That's not how
mortally sinful unions work. They're not even

1017
01:34:20,399 --> 01:34:29,199
analogous or partial partial. Did you
catch that? Everything you heard me say

1018
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,800
exactly what he said. I'm not
making it up, not being mean.

1019
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:39,880
It's clearly what Francis says that hot
dog unions are kind of analogous. You

1020
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:44,359
know, it's it's kind of a
union, right part B. It is

1021
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:48,840
not a mere question of names.
Oh okay, good, not marriage or

1022
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:54,479
union, but the reality that we
call marriage has a unique essential constitution that

1023
01:34:54,600 --> 01:35:00,319
demands an exclusive name, not applicable
to other realities. It is undoubtedly very

1024
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:19,319
much. That's not nice. Something
that is not marriage is recognized as marriage.

1025
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:24,319
You see what he did there,
that's part three. He just said

1026
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:29,760
that we will avoid any right or
sacramental which would include a blessing. I

1027
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:36,039
believe if it confuses a union as
a marriage. I thought he was off

1028
01:35:36,119 --> 01:35:43,359
of that. He stipulated out what
lawyers call stipulated out of answering that question,

1029
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:45,960
because in the second part of his
answer to two he said it's not

1030
01:35:46,199 --> 01:35:51,840
a mere question of names. So
I thought he stipulated out. With his

1031
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,920
answer to part three, he stipulates
back in He's gonna sound faithful. Wow,

1032
01:35:57,319 --> 01:36:01,319
like Darth Sidius sound faithful while doing
evil. This is what he always

1033
01:36:01,359 --> 01:37:12,239
does. This is Pope Francis.
Yeah, sorry about that. So Siri

1034
01:37:12,359 --> 01:37:14,920
popped up and I couldn't get her
to go away. I wanted to read

1035
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:19,319
this comment from Ubi. Ubi notes
that the Skittles unions cannot be blessed as

1036
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:26,479
a full sacramental marriage. The argument
goes, but the definition of marriage that

1037
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:34,840
Papa frank Uses places Skittle's unions on
the same plane as heterosexual remarried divorcees.

1038
01:37:35,039 --> 01:37:40,119
That's a key point that Ubi pointed
out. Did you notice that? And

1039
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:45,119
that vindicates Tim's point that goes back
to Amoris Letitia, where Francis's letter in

1040
01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:50,319
cyclical that allowed for uh remarried divorcees
to come to communion. They're in the

1041
01:37:50,399 --> 01:37:59,199
exact same status now as the blessed
unions of the Skittles people. That leaves

1042
01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:03,880
the back door open to the recognition
of the Skittles union clear as day.

1043
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:10,640
And that's everything that Tim was saying
the whole time for the last seven years,

1044
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:17,399
and he's correct about that. And
we're also correct about what we say,

1045
01:38:18,279 --> 01:38:27,239
which is that all of this and
the Dubia and all that is just

1046
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:36,039
further signaling where they want to take
their revolution in Cope and Tiara and I

1047
01:38:36,079 --> 01:38:40,079
would remind you again, none of
this is divorced from all the other stuff.

1048
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:46,640
It all goes together. There's no
audio because the camera is sitting on

1049
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:49,920
my laptop. That's why I don't
know why it does this, because every

1050
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:57,159
time I barely touch this desk,
it rocks. So be sure and watch

1051
01:38:57,239 --> 01:39:03,640
this as well. Because in this
video that Kyle put up for dire Clips,

1052
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:12,520
he really just got the essence of
the Pacha Mama stuff that we covered.

1053
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,359
I think that was me and Snack
too. I think, yeah,

1054
01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:20,600
when we covered for Telly Twoty,
I know the audio cutout, it's because

1055
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:24,920
I hit Siri and when Siri pops
up, she shuts everything else down and

1056
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:26,800
I told her to get the heck
out of here, and she said,

1057
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:30,680
that's not very nice. So,
by the way, did you notice this.

1058
01:39:32,359 --> 01:39:35,479
We talked about this the other night
when we did the live stream about

1059
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,560
when we talked about thchx one one
three eight right now, I was talking

1060
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:44,720
about AI confession and then here it
is. This is a Methodist church.

1061
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,199
I just thought this was funny church
and AI takeover as sermon led by chat

1062
01:39:48,279 --> 01:39:51,640
GPT in artificial intelligence, so that
lazy ass preachers don't have to do their

1063
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:56,159
own sermons anymore. They can just
get chat gpt to write up a sermon

1064
01:39:56,199 --> 01:40:01,319
for him. But all right,
so now with all that aside, we're

1065
01:40:01,359 --> 01:40:04,199
going to open it up to this
is a brand new desk. It's actually

1066
01:40:04,199 --> 01:40:08,720
a really nice brand new desk,
but it still moves if you touch it.

1067
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,000
We're gonna open up to open for
him. If you want to come

1068
01:40:13,079 --> 01:40:15,079
on, if you want to make
an argument, you can. You can

1069
01:40:15,159 --> 01:40:17,680
have the floor for as long as
you like. If you want to raise

1070
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:23,760
a question, if you want to
challenge a point, if you want to

1071
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:35,000
what else, if you want to
anything relating to these issues. So we're

1072
01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:39,960
not talking about scholasticism today. We're
not talking about it. We're talking about

1073
01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:43,960
Roman Catholic papal stuff, church history. If you want to talk about that,

1074
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:46,439
we can. If you want to
talk about Bible stuff, that's okay,

1075
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:50,399
we can do that. I guess
as well. If you're Protestant and

1076
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:55,760
you want to ask me questions,
okay, but leave that for later,

1077
01:40:56,119 --> 01:41:00,319
because that's not the topic today.
So every time we do this and we

1078
01:41:00,359 --> 01:41:01,279
open it up, the first thing
is like, it's going to be some

1079
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:08,840
Protestant or it's going to be some
Orthodox person asking me about Orthodox drama and

1080
01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:13,960
scandals. That's not the topic today. Please keep it topic relevant. It

1081
01:41:14,079 --> 01:41:20,079
really bugs me when people don't keep
it topic relevant. So the way it

1082
01:41:20,119 --> 01:41:24,199
works, request to speak. You
can come on, you can make your

1083
01:41:24,279 --> 01:41:26,560
argument, you can ask me a
question, you can say whatever you want

1084
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:31,239
for as long as you want within
the parameters of what is acceptable history journeys.

1085
01:41:31,279 --> 01:41:38,520
What's up if you don't do that, I have every prerogative to absolutely

1086
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:46,960
ban you, boot you, delete
you with with iron fists. Hey,

1087
01:41:47,039 --> 01:41:53,119
j yes, sir, thanks for
letting me speak. I had a theological

1088
01:41:53,239 --> 01:42:00,279
question. Okay. It was regarding
Timothy to twelve. I know, like

1089
01:42:00,319 --> 01:42:03,920
a lot of people online, just
like on Twitter and stuff, they argue

1090
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:09,359
about this verse and they say,
you know, something like, oh,

1091
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:14,079
well, that was only addressing specific
issues in the early Church where some women

1092
01:42:14,119 --> 01:42:17,600
were teaching false doctrine. Paul's instructions
were specific to that situation and not a

1093
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:24,560
universal prohibition on women's voices. That's
just one thing. I one argument I

1094
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:30,800
noted against well. I mean,
Paul consistently teaches this not on the basis

1095
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:35,520
of anything cultural, but on the
basis of the natural order between men and

1096
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:41,399
women. So you'll notice that text
doesn't say it's properly understood according to the

1097
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,600
culture and the morals of our time. He says, let a woman learn

1098
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,640
in all silence, with submission.
I did not permit to teach a woman

1099
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:48,800
to teach, or to have authority
of a man, but to learn in

1100
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:53,800
silence or to be in silence,
because Adam was formed first, then Eve.

1101
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:58,119
Adam was not deceived, but the
woman was deceived and fell into transgression.

1102
01:42:58,199 --> 01:43:00,680
Nevertheless, women will be saved in
bearing if they continue in faith,

1103
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:04,239
love and holiness with self control.
So uh no, there's nothing about that

1104
01:43:04,399 --> 01:43:11,520
that is a cultural relevant argumentation,
right, And also there's nothing about that

1105
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:15,920
being like only specific to that church
at that time, like does that carry

1106
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,800
on? Well, I mean our
Adam and Eve only specific to the Church

1107
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:30,479
of Ephesus, right, No,
yeah, anything else, anything else?

1108
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:36,960
That was it? Okay? Yeah? And for those who want to deeper

1109
01:43:38,039 --> 01:43:50,800
dive into the history of the push
for women deacons and then how that's the

1110
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:55,720
stepping stone to women's women priests.
By the way, Romatics already have acolyte

1111
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:00,640
female acolytes, so they're already on
the road to that. John Paul allowed

1112
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:06,880
that for the Novasorto. Let's see, if you want to deeper dive into

1113
01:44:08,119 --> 01:44:13,800
the means, methodology, and plans
of deaconesses and how that's a big scam.

1114
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,720
We covered that here with Father John
Whiteford not too long ago, and

1115
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:28,399
he went into great depth and detail
refuting this from church history and who's pushing

1116
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:31,319
it in the motivations of this for
today? All right? Next up is

1117
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:47,479
handmade something I can't read the rest
of the name. It's connecting, so

1118
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,199
handmade. When you connect, just
unmute. You'll be muted. Everybody asks

1119
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:56,840
when you come on, you're muted. So just unmute yourself. If you

1120
01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:00,279
request to speak, then when I
give you permission to speak, you have

1121
01:45:00,359 --> 01:45:04,159
to unmute yourself. Otherwise, and
we already know I'm gonna have to do

1122
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:08,439
it. I have to sit here
all day long and tell everybody to unmute.

1123
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,039
All right, So it's having a
trouble connecting, So go out and

1124
01:45:13,159 --> 01:45:27,239
come back in handmade Father deacon,
did you want to speak? Unmute?

1125
01:45:31,279 --> 01:45:36,399
Did you want to speak? Oh? Just in case you needn't to talk

1126
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:42,119
on anything, I'm just here.
Do you have any comments on so far

1127
01:45:42,279 --> 01:45:50,640
the Dubia and all the big the
Roman Catholic world going wild just just have

1128
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:59,079
to be typically kind of noticed.
The level of sophi stream kind of coping

1129
01:46:00,279 --> 01:46:08,680
and all of it goes two arguments
that you and I have made that it's

1130
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:13,600
a type kind of non falsify fiability. Yeah, oh, but it's the

1131
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:19,560
church and the gates of Hell won't
well, wait a minute, so it's

1132
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:25,000
forever, it's the ineffectibility because it's
room. It's always the church. And

1133
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:30,640
so you could literally the next day
worship sit all of you decide to worship

1134
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,600
Satan and it's still well, the
gates of Hell won't prevail. So it's

1135
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:38,840
still the church, which is exactly
what's in question. And second of all,

1136
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:44,840
then it seems to doctrine doesn't matter. It's kind of what I'm getting.

1137
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,840
If you can do all this stuff
right to the ad hocts, save

1138
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:53,319
what you want to save, then
in the end it doesn't seem that doctrine

1139
01:46:53,399 --> 01:46:57,079
matters. Now why would you say
that, Why would you say doctrine doesn't

1140
01:46:57,119 --> 01:47:04,960
matter? I'm saying that's the logical
consequence of their position, right, but

1141
01:47:05,279 --> 01:47:10,399
flesh that out. Why would that
be the logical conclusion or that? Well,

1142
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,359
if they do have a principle of
indefectibility. So when you bring up

1143
01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:19,840
these problems, and again, a
problem in one system is not the same

1144
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:24,640
as a same problem in another system. Exactly, Yeah, they'll say what

1145
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:30,039
about your church? You have a
liberal bishops as well, So when you

1146
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:35,199
address these problems, that illustrates there's
a systemic problem, and there's a problem

1147
01:47:35,239 --> 01:47:43,560
with the ecclesiology. What this eventually
goes towards is pointing out indefectibility. The

1148
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:48,840
Roman Church will always be, you
know, the church. If that's the

1149
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:57,239
case, then there's nothing that can
falsify that. That means incorrect doctrine or

1150
01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:00,800
whatever you do is irrelevant because it
will always be the church. If that's

1151
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:05,920
the case, and you could all
decide to worship Satan tomorrow and you're still

1152
01:48:06,039 --> 01:48:11,199
the church, the logical consequence of
that is, well, then doctrine doesn't

1153
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:13,800
matter. Well I would say that, I say what you're saying. A

1154
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,239
lot of them would actually probably say, well, yeah, it is an

1155
01:48:15,279 --> 01:48:21,600
unfalsefiable system because it's just true.
What would you say to that, Well,

1156
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:26,079
then don't criticize me if I just
say, well, it's true,

1157
01:48:26,319 --> 01:48:30,960
it's axiomatic the Orthodox churches. Yeah. In other words, if you can

1158
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,960
appeal to that, can I appeal
to that as well? Exactly? Yeah,

1159
01:48:36,279 --> 01:48:40,600
So it does occurs with Protestantism too, right. They appeal to these

1160
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:47,199
principles for me, but not for
thee Oh no, no, no,

1161
01:48:47,319 --> 01:48:53,119
that only applies for me, why
because it saves my position? But if

1162
01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:59,119
I let you have the same principle, then it would make my position wrong.

1163
01:49:00,079 --> 01:49:02,319
So I can't let you have that
right, all right, So it's

1164
01:49:02,359 --> 01:49:05,640
open for him. If your request
to speak, you can ask a question,

1165
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:09,760
you can propose an argument. If
you want to disagree with anything that

1166
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:18,199
we've said layout a position, You're
welcome to Giermo. What's up? Hello,

1167
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:24,640
Hey, what's up? Hey?
Sorry? Thank you for having me.

1168
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:30,239
I'm from Venezuela and Superior General of
the Jesuit Order right now is a

1169
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:38,399
very sell I came from a Jesuit
led university hitting Caracas, and I'm wondering

1170
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:45,319
because I really I'm not that familiar
with the whole part of the influence of

1171
01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:50,800
the Jesuit Order being the Francis Is
the pope right now have in this whole

1172
01:49:51,079 --> 01:50:00,119
movement towards the left style things.
So do you have any comment on that?

1173
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:04,079
Maybe absolutely, I mean, Jesuits
have been at the forefront of pushing

1174
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:10,560
the liberalization of the Roman Catholic world, particularly in the twentieth century. I

1175
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,520
don't know that prior to the twentieth
century that you could probably find some sort

1176
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,479
of protoliberal Jesuits. But really in
the twentieth century, you get, for

1177
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:26,119
example, the Jesuits in Latin South
America really fostering and pioneering liberation theology,

1178
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:30,680
which is a movement away from supernaturalism
and religion in theology to make it kind

1179
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:39,319
of a quasi Marxist or a social
gospel basically where the church's goal is to

1180
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:44,840
feed and house people in this world, nothing to do with the Trinity and

1181
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:49,319
the incarnation and the supernatural doctrine.
So it's a imminentizing and a de mythologizing

1182
01:50:49,399 --> 01:50:54,960
and a moving away from the supernatural
movement that at times was very Marxist,

1183
01:50:55,159 --> 01:51:00,680
was very socialist. So that's liberation
theology. It's really found a home amongst

1184
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:04,960
the Jesuits for whatever reason. And
then, particularly at the time of Vatican

1185
01:51:05,039 --> 01:51:09,720
Two in America, a lot of
the Jesuits or a lot of the uh,

1186
01:51:10,079 --> 01:51:14,720
well, the really prominent ones were
specifically co opted by the CIA,

1187
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,920
like John Courtney Murray, and that's
what David Wimhoff's book is about. So

1188
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:24,199
you kind of had a fissure within
the Jesuit order of some favoring liberalism,

1189
01:51:24,359 --> 01:51:29,960
some being co opted by the CIA
for so called Americanism and neoliberalism. And

1190
01:51:30,119 --> 01:51:34,479
really after the twentieth after after the
Cold War, pretty much what what won

1191
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:40,960
out was basically just that CIA globalism. So neoliberal CIA globalism is what one

1192
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:46,319
and that's not antithetical to Marxism.
So you can be just like Klaus can

1193
01:51:46,399 --> 01:51:55,039
be a you know, neoliberal technocrat
who's best friends with the archbishop or cardinal

1194
01:51:55,119 --> 01:52:00,239
whoever he was, that's Francis's mentor. And Klaus this you know, wealthy

1195
01:52:00,319 --> 01:52:10,239
technocrat. The archbishop guy that was
Burgolio's mentor is also a liberation theologian.

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01:52:10,319 --> 01:52:17,319
And then Francis worked with the CIA
in when he was the archbishop in Operation

1197
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:23,840
Condor, because what's going on is
above Cold War dialectics. It's the global

1198
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:30,119
elite that are international, supernational and
they're not capitalist or Marxists. They're above

1199
01:52:30,199 --> 01:52:32,560
that. And you can see that
when you look at these power groups and

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01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:36,720
these power structures that are above Francis. So the Jesuit order is really a

1201
01:52:38,359 --> 01:52:44,800
tool in the overall movement towards the
globalist order, and the Jesuit order had

1202
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:51,640
both CIA and Marxist amongst them.
Yeah, and I think that the political

1203
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:58,560
movement is something that really needs to
be spoken about, how these whole minutia

1204
01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:04,760
goes through the super entities, like
my daughter is at the same university right

1205
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:10,800
now, and the last week they
have an art presentation and he sold these

1206
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:16,880
modern arts and they had the queer
art there and the team from the university

1207
01:53:17,159 --> 01:53:23,239
that suggests with priests not only what's
watching it, but sensioning yeah, yeah,

1208
01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:26,399
the and for those that are in
the chat wondering, I mean yeah.

1209
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:30,720
Fordham University, which is a Jesuit
Catholic university, has for a long

1210
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:38,079
time produced CIA directors John Brennan and
others. And so there's that who has

1211
01:53:38,199 --> 01:53:45,119
the largest Orthodox ideological propaganda outlet,
which is a tool of changing Orthodoxy,

1212
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:47,039
pushing for the union with Rome,
pushing for all the changes in the Orthodox

1213
01:53:47,079 --> 01:53:51,359
were ald at Fordham. That's a
Jesuit globalist institution. And so that's the

1214
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:56,239
same people on the side of Francis. So it's not it's not it's not

1215
01:53:56,359 --> 01:54:02,399
a liberal versus conservative dialectic. It's
a globalist leads wanting to change both the

1216
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,479
Roman Catholic and the Orthodox world and
the pros and you see it in the

1217
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:11,439
politics too. I went to university
at the same time. Then, I

1218
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:15,760
don't know how how your audiences or
yourself are with the whole problem politically here

1219
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:19,840
in Minezuela. But one WHITEO went
to the university, to that same university

1220
01:54:20,199 --> 01:54:25,640
at the time that I was going
there, uh, and he was totally

1221
01:54:26,359 --> 01:54:31,760
in the in the university council.
The he was totally into it from the

1222
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:40,680
university pushing out this this this political
movement that in the end goes to this

1223
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,720
whole globe of the things. So
I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about if

1224
01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:48,199
you do you think then I'm a
Catholic by the way, So I'm really

1225
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:55,119
I'm really appreciative of all the information
that you grow. And I'm really thinking

1226
01:54:55,159 --> 01:55:01,840
about do you think that that when
Pergoblio the dies or finishes the papacy,

1227
01:55:02,279 --> 01:55:11,000
do you think that the Jesuit thing
is going to continue on the next pope

1228
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:17,680
election. I think I think that
he was just a natural uh one to

1229
01:55:18,279 --> 01:55:23,920
use because of his role that he
played during the Cold War and Operation Condor

1230
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:27,880
with the CIA about Francis. So
I think he was just a natural choice.

1231
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:30,640
I don't think they're going to have
any problem choosing someone to continue and

1232
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:36,319
further their goals because again the cardinals
that the Roman College that elects the pope.

1233
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:40,680
It's already stacked. The deck is
stacked with people that are already going

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01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:44,840
to choose somebody like another Francis.
So there's not going to be the Savior

1235
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:49,560
trad pope elected or something like that. Uh. And I heard you before

1236
01:55:50,119 --> 01:55:57,560
this stream talking about how how this
kind of uh just putting out there the

1237
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:03,159
pig on timilality and stuff that just
doing the union like we follow you coming

1238
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:08,520
closer to Rome that you see,
and it's an opportunity of just weaving out

1239
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:14,960
the Orthodox priests there are in the
hoods with this whole thing. Right.

1240
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,279
I know that your position is sort
of like, but don't don't you think

1241
01:56:19,359 --> 01:56:25,600
that for the Catholic work also could
be that that kind of opportunity now that

1242
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:30,800
that things like Father Martin and and
the pope letters to you. No,

1243
01:56:30,079 --> 01:56:34,279
there's no, no, no,
because there's no you don't have the option

1244
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:42,399
in a in a centralized author I
mean, that's a different structure. We're

1245
01:56:42,439 --> 01:56:45,039
a decentralized church. So we don't
mind a bunch of people going on.

1246
01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:46,520
I mean, we don't want that, but we don't At the end of

1247
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,760
the day, it's good for us
to have a bunch of people go away

1248
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:53,720
and go to Francis. You can't
have different Roman Catholic churches. The only

1249
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:57,199
one that exists is the one that's
in Rome with Francis. There's no options

1250
01:56:57,239 --> 01:56:59,680
of like, well, let's have
this other Romancolic church over here in France

1251
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,439
or something, right, No,
but just waving it out Like I was

1252
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:06,680
listening to the video that you did
about the Godfather, and it's really interesting

1253
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:12,119
about the Godfather part three. Don't
you see that that everyone is like,

1254
01:57:12,199 --> 01:57:15,720
oh, it's so boring stuff.
And I also see the real important message

1255
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:21,119
if you look. Uh, Francisco
Coppola talking about it on the on the

1256
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:27,600
re release that they did. Uh. He gives an account of him working

1257
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:31,880
with Puso talking about the whole thing
about the Vatican stuff. And now it's

1258
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:36,720
it's creally c really overt for for
everyone to see. It's not something like

1259
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:41,920
you need to to you know,
like this secret knowledge that it may be

1260
01:57:42,079 --> 01:57:47,600
happening, is itpcoming? It's obviously
here. Uh. But in that regard,

1261
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:58,039
which orthodox uh patriarchs do you see
are are on the side of this

1262
01:57:58,319 --> 01:58:02,640
kind of of left leaning stuff and
which ones are on the correct side?

1263
01:58:03,079 --> 01:58:08,319
Which one would you say, well, I mean, Bartholomew is the most

1264
01:58:08,479 --> 01:58:14,720
open for wanting to reunite with Rome, and he's open to women deaconesses.

1265
01:58:15,399 --> 01:58:20,399
And then the you know, our
LP de Foos is probably the most liberal,

1266
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:25,399
you know, kind of skittles adjacent
person in the Orthodox world. So

1267
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:29,159
but I mean there's I'm sure there's
more that we could find. Those are

1268
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:33,159
good questions, but I don't think
that in Orthodoxy there's any equivalents to what

1269
01:58:33,319 --> 01:58:36,520
you see in the Roman Catholic world. So are there liberals and are there

1270
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:42,520
skittles amongst Orthodox Yes, and even
amongst bishops. I'm sure, but that

1271
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,079
doesn't mean that, oh well,
then it's equivalent. You know, I

1272
01:58:45,159 --> 01:58:48,439
think that it's far more prevalent in
Rome than it is in our circles.

1273
01:58:48,479 --> 01:58:50,840
And again, for people that don't
know, I mean Fordham is famous.

1274
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:57,279
I mean Fordham produced John Brennan.
I mean against people have no idea,

1275
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:04,319
totally ignorant what it is. And
it's absolutely a CIA school. I mean

1276
01:59:04,359 --> 01:59:11,600
they even named an entire division after
John Brenham. Right, Brennan is a

1277
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:15,359
key figure there, and it's a
Jesuit university that's used by the CIA for

1278
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:21,880
a lot of things related to things
like Ukraine. For example, a lot

1279
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:29,000
of the Ukraine Schism was pushed by
Fordham connected individuals in the Ukraine. In

1280
01:59:29,079 --> 01:59:33,199
fact, Tim Flanders even attended one
of those ecumenist universities I think in Ukraine,

1281
01:59:33,279 --> 01:59:38,439
so he had some role in that
which I think you should. You

1282
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,680
know, keep in mind when Tim
Flanders is over there telling you that you

1283
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:47,199
need to be you need to be
humble and submit to Francis as he tells

1284
01:59:47,319 --> 01:59:54,159
us that Francis might actually be a
heretic. So next up is dude guy,

1285
01:59:54,279 --> 02:00:04,039
what's that? Dude guy? Hello? Jay? Can you hear me?

1286
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:10,199
Ye? Uh yeah. I was
just wanting to ask you, is

1287
02:00:10,279 --> 02:00:18,880
there a way to argue for the
Cappadocian monarchical trinitarianism with a tech argument only

1288
02:00:19,720 --> 02:00:28,560
against Catholics? For example? How
would you disprove the philioquay and prove the

1289
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:40,439
Orthodox Trinity as necessary when you deal
without scripture, revelation and history is a

1290
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:44,479
way? No, I mean,
the Doctor of Trinity is a doctrine of

1291
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,960
revelations. There's no way that you
could argue for the Trinity without divine revelation.

1292
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:50,520
So the point about when we say
that it's like the necessary view of

1293
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:57,600
the Trinity, that it means that
it also assumes, or it necessarily implies

1294
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:01,079
the rest of our worldview, though
I might not at the point of arguing

1295
02:01:01,159 --> 02:01:08,279
the Trinity with it Roman Catholic immediately
be under my argumentation arguing for all the

1296
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:12,520
other doctrines of Christianity, they're assumed
because you can't have partial Christianity. You

1297
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:16,520
can't have trinity without incarnation, you
can't have incarnation without you know, church

1298
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:21,039
history. So it all goes together, but it's not necessarily immediately under the

1299
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:26,079
purview of the immediate argumentation when I'm
arguing with an atheist or with a Roman

1300
02:01:26,119 --> 02:01:29,560
Catholic about the Trinity. So,
yeah, I think you can. You

1301
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:34,199
can argue the philosophical route, but
I don't. I think that's kind of

1302
02:01:34,479 --> 02:01:39,239
secondary and it's not. You can't
really argue the philosophical route of the Trinity

1303
02:01:39,279 --> 02:01:43,359
without divine revelation. I just don't
see how that's possible, Okay, And

1304
02:01:43,479 --> 02:01:49,479
how would you prove the necessity for
argumentation when how would you prove the necessity

1305
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:56,000
for divine revelation? Well, to
someone who doesn't believe it, tag,

1306
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:05,000
okay, say I'm an eighth theist, I say, yeah, I don't.

1307
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:11,920
I'm okay, you convinced me about
theism, but I don't know about

1308
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:15,279
so. Uh. We've got a
bunch of live streams, not trying to

1309
02:02:15,279 --> 02:02:17,359
be rude, but we've got a
bunch of live streams where we've dealt exactly

1310
02:02:17,439 --> 02:02:23,000
with that question in depth. But
today's topic isn't TAG, it's Francis Union's

1311
02:02:23,039 --> 02:02:27,560
Vatican one and these these issues that
we're talking about today with regard to Roman

1312
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:30,039
Catholicism in the history of the papacy. Uh. We have streams that we

1313
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:33,760
did specifically about how does TAG prove
the trinity? So you should look that

1314
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:36,720
up on YouTube. That one should
come up with. Joseph, what's up?

1315
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:49,680
Just unused? Yeah, yeah,
can you hear me? Yes,

1316
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:57,079
sir, Hey, are are you
talking to Orthodox people today? Well,

1317
02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:02,359
we're talking about Roman Catholicism, Francis
Union, uh, Francis's statement on unions,

1318
02:03:03,159 --> 02:03:05,800
and Vatican stuff. So if you
want to comment on that, sure,

1319
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:10,760
yeah, yeah I will. I
mean, I you know, I've

1320
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:15,880
only been Orthodox for about nine months, but but you know, most of

1321
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:20,800
my life I've dealt with that gay
cabal in the Catholic Church, and you

1322
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:26,680
know, it's real and it's,
uh, it's not addressed at all.

1323
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:30,680
Well, I think you know one
thing that for example, Tim and people

1324
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:33,319
like that that are Catholics, they'll
say, there's this Saint Gollan mafia,

1325
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:38,640
this group within the power structure that's
really pushing for this stuff within Rome.

1326
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:41,159
And so you know, if we
get if we could get rid of this

1327
02:03:41,239 --> 02:03:44,680
Saint Gollan mafia, which I'm not
saying, well, I'm not saying there's

1328
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:47,239
not that, but it's like,
well, do you think that it's just

1329
02:03:47,359 --> 02:03:50,680
this It's it reminds me of the
of the thing that people used to say,

1330
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:55,279
like when I became Catholic and issue
these issues had come up, they

1331
02:03:55,279 --> 02:03:59,039
would always have this excuse about John
Paul where they would say, well,

1332
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:01,800
John Paul's got the these liberal advisors
whispering in his ear, and if you

1333
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:05,960
could just get rid of these liberal
advisors, right, It's like, but

1334
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:14,680
yeh, the problem is it's more
dispersed that, right, because I mean,

1335
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:18,239
I mean I have a million anecdotes
and examples, but going back to

1336
02:04:18,319 --> 02:04:24,199
the seventies, one of my friends
got rest assault. He was at he

1337
02:04:24,399 --> 02:04:28,920
was at USF and and he was
down at the Casher and he turned the

1338
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:31,279
corner one day and there's you know, father spanked me in a in a

1339
02:04:31,479 --> 02:04:35,920
mother harness, so it was going
on, you know, even then,

1340
02:04:38,199 --> 02:04:42,159
and they look the other way.
Yeah, I mean, it seems like

1341
02:04:42,239 --> 02:04:45,640
this is a systemic, longtime problem. It doesn't seem like a problem that's

1342
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:53,039
limited to a you know, mafia
within the Vatican. Correct. Yeah,

1343
02:04:53,279 --> 02:04:57,399
correct. And and you know,
Jay, another thing that's interesting is it

1344
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:00,119
when I was at when I was
at Berkeley, I was studying the Romanesque

1345
02:05:00,439 --> 02:05:06,199
and something always fascinated me. There
was a vessel as a cathedral of Saint

1346
02:05:06,239 --> 02:05:12,880
Mary Magdalen, and there was a
sculpture there of the rape of ganymy and

1347
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:16,079
that always fascinated me because I was
wondering, why is it in the Catholic

1348
02:05:16,199 --> 02:05:19,840
Church, because it was kind of
an anomaly too. They didn't have a

1349
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:27,560
lot of Greek mythological characters there,
but they had that rape of Ganity.

1350
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:35,520
And right around that same time you
had Peter Damien writing about sodomy and homosexuality

1351
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:41,239
in the Catholic Church, so it
was it was definitely an issue there,

1352
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:45,880
you know, And whether that whether
that sculpture of the rape of Ganymede had

1353
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:49,800
something to do with the warning to
the monks there at the abbey. I

1354
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:55,800
don't know, but so that's that's
a thousand years ago, Yeah, exactly.

1355
02:05:56,920 --> 02:06:00,560
I totally agree. Peter Damien is
one of the more forceful about this

1356
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:06,520
problem in the church, in the
Roman Latin Church back then. And you

1357
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:12,640
know, this just speaks to the
hypocrisy. You know, when you look

1358
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:15,079
at the Vatican itself, I mean, it's full of a bunch of nudies.

1359
02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:18,159
But at the same time, we're
told that if you were to look

1360
02:06:18,279 --> 02:06:21,279
up and think upon this, you
would be engaged in mortal sin. So

1361
02:06:21,399 --> 02:06:26,560
you're sitting here, supposed to be
in church with all this mortal sin imagery

1362
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:30,359
around you, which is just preposterous, and it's totally rejection of the Seventh

1363
02:06:30,359 --> 02:06:35,039
Ecumenical Council's teaching. The Seventh Ecumenical
Council specifically forbade all of this kind of

1364
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:41,439
stuff, and here it is all
throughout the Renaissance Roman Catholic world, again

1365
02:06:41,560 --> 02:06:45,000
showing that they don't actually believe the
Second Economical Ecumenical Council at all. They

1366
02:06:45,039 --> 02:06:47,399
give it verbal credence and then do
whatever they want. All of this is

1367
02:06:47,439 --> 02:06:51,399
actually forbidden in the Seventh Ecumenical Council, and again, over and over and

1368
02:06:51,479 --> 02:06:54,800
over, we see this. We've
been pointing this out for years and years

1369
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:58,720
and years, and they just blow
it off and don't care and just call

1370
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:02,039
you names. So that's the level
to which Roman Catholics want to deal with

1371
02:07:03,159 --> 02:07:06,640
the actual challenges to their position at
least ninety percent of the time. Not

1372
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:11,439
everybody, but but yeah, I
mean, the Renaissance art itself shows you

1373
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:15,000
that it's fake and gray. I'm
not saying it's not good art instence of

1374
02:07:15,079 --> 02:07:20,159
like I can appreciate the artwork of
some of those Renaissance masters, but it

1375
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:28,079
doesn't belong in the church. I
mean, the Seventh that Gimical Council clearly

1376
02:07:28,199 --> 02:07:33,520
lays out iconographic rules and laws for
the Church, and all of that's condemned

1377
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:39,319
as pagan art. And you don't
even have to go into the theology.

1378
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:47,840
Just look at the imagery of icons
versus the Renaissance pagan imagery throughout the Vatican.

1379
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:49,880
I mean that alone should tell you
which one is the true and the

1380
02:07:49,880 --> 02:08:01,800
false Church? Maximus, what's up? Oh goo? Keep hearing yep,

1381
02:08:03,359 --> 02:08:05,399
Yeah, I don't know. I
just kind of wanted to come on here.

1382
02:08:05,479 --> 02:08:11,359
And talk about like some of the
responses I've seen kind of in the

1383
02:08:11,439 --> 02:08:16,399
wake of this, and a few
things that I've noticed, which is,

1384
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:18,399
well, there's a couple. There's
a couple of things. First, is

1385
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:26,000
is the is the way that Francis, I guess, the way that this

1386
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:28,960
modernism, I guess is different than
the old modernism, right where the old

1387
02:08:30,039 --> 02:08:37,640
modernism was actually about sort of erasing
the fundamental categories of Catholic doctrine, like

1388
02:08:37,159 --> 02:08:41,680
you know, the immutability of revelation
and these sorts of things. Right,

1389
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:46,600
Well, the old the modernism at
in the late eighteen hundred's and early twentieth

1390
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:50,680
century, when you read the encyclicals
that deal with it, I mean,

1391
02:08:50,760 --> 02:08:54,760
they actually define it as like what
you just said, right, So let's

1392
02:08:54,800 --> 02:09:01,520
look at Lamenta Beiley, which is
one of these, and it defines it

1393
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:11,760
as things like truth progressing and evolving
over time. Right, I'm pulling it.

1394
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:16,119
I'm pulling it up. Okay,
because Christian Wagner has a tweet right

1395
02:09:16,199 --> 02:09:20,159
where he basically says, you look
at all the look at all the times

1396
02:09:20,199 --> 02:09:26,479
in these duvia that Francis affirms like
our basic categories against modernism, right,

1397
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:33,000
saying that you know, revelation is
once given an immutable you know, he's

1398
02:09:33,039 --> 02:09:35,880
just fought. That's just the cope. And the that's the bureaucrates where they

1399
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:39,680
they I mean, it's the same
thing that they do with a quitas.

1400
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:46,159
It's like, my my argument is
that Aquinas contradicts. Their reply is look

1401
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:50,039
over here where he says something true. That's exactly this is all they ever

1402
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:56,960
do. Yeah, and what now
we're seeing is is the two other things

1403
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:01,520
that I found really interesting is one
the extent to which Francis quotes from the

1404
02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:07,840
Magisterium of you know, the supposedly
conservative post Vatican two people, right,

1405
02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:11,159
and it's really like this is your
bed, you have to lay in it.

1406
02:10:11,239 --> 02:10:16,159
In this sense, it's almost the
message it feels like he's sending because

1407
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:20,560
you know, these these kind of
conservative cardinals from another age were kind of

1408
02:10:20,680 --> 02:10:26,359
willing to support the previous pontiffs,
right as long as there was this sort

1409
02:10:26,359 --> 02:10:31,000
of veneer of doctrinal integrity. And
Francis is sort of saying, like,

1410
02:10:31,079 --> 02:10:33,880
you know, this really is the
Vatican to church, and there was a

1411
02:10:35,159 --> 02:10:39,720
there was It's it's gonna be interesting
to see what conservative Catholics, what their

1412
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:43,880
response is. And it's going to
be a consistent response, right, And

1413
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:48,560
I think I saw one guy had
this video where he basically said, yes,

1414
02:10:50,359 --> 02:10:54,760
this is making us realize that our
doctrine of the papacy is more complicated

1415
02:10:54,800 --> 02:11:00,359
than previously thought. And he actually
cited, uh, the stuff about the

1416
02:11:00,359 --> 02:11:03,960
synom of sinidelity and the census fidellum. Right, you know, the idea

1417
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:07,119
that the lady have this sort of
a census vandillum and they've reconceived it to

1418
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:11,560
be this sort of we need to
listen to the lady type thing, which

1419
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:16,399
is not not what it was really
you read the original Catholic sources on this,

1420
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:20,039
but he says, I'm using my
census fadilla to know that something's wrong

1421
02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:24,720
here, you know. So it's
this weird, it's this weird. Yeah,

1422
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:28,359
the whole system is the whole system. The whole system is lack dialectical

1423
02:11:28,479 --> 02:11:33,760
Marxism, constantly making you accept contradictions, even though it's supposed to be a

1424
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:39,079
system without contradictions. Right, So
trad cat, you know, Thomas Roman,

1425
02:11:39,079 --> 02:11:46,279
Catholicism is the ultimate contradiction free system
that constantly makes you accept contradictions,

1426
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:52,359
exactly like their supposed enemies, the
dialectical materialists who are just really more advanced

1427
02:11:52,399 --> 02:11:56,840
in their philosophy of evolution of doctrine
or evolution of the I mean Hegelianism.

1428
02:11:56,920 --> 02:12:01,560
They don't understand and Wagner doesn't understand
that the Vatican is very adept at Hegelian

1429
02:12:01,680 --> 02:12:07,399
praxis. And let me give you
an example of this, when who did

1430
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:13,159
uh Benedict write a book with?
Does anybody know who's the famous name a

1431
02:12:13,239 --> 02:12:22,359
famous Marxist that Benedict wrote a book
with anybody? His name is Jurgen Habermas,

1432
02:12:22,399 --> 02:12:28,039
the most famous of the critical Marxist
Frankfurt school. Critical theorist Francis wrote

1433
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:33,600
the book with him called Dialectics of
Secularization, Reason and Religion. So you

1434
02:12:33,800 --> 02:12:41,239
understand that the Neo Marxist dialectical position
is at work with its synthesis, with

1435
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:50,279
with Benedict to produce the outcome the
dialectic here is hober Moss versus Benedict to

1436
02:12:50,319 --> 02:12:56,600
produce the synthesis. And they don't
understand that, just like their Marxist cousins,

1437
02:12:56,279 --> 02:13:01,159
the acceptance of contradiction and the acceptance
of the synthesis is the very thing

1438
02:13:01,279 --> 02:13:09,880
that is that is what underlies doctrinal
evolution. Hegelianism underlies doctrinal evolution because thesis

1439
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,960
antithesis, synthesis which produces a holy
new truth right, which is not the

1440
02:13:15,039 --> 02:13:18,920
previous two truths, but the synthesis
of the elements of truth from the previous

1441
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:24,119
two positions and the rejection of supposedly
the false in the previous two positions.

1442
02:13:24,479 --> 02:13:31,720
So it's an acceptance of contradictions to
produce a new higher level synthesis, supposedly.

1443
02:13:31,399 --> 02:13:35,720
But that's exactly the ideology of doctrinal
evolution that they have to defend.

1444
02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:43,800
So when Lamentabilli says that the Church
does not accept evolving doctrine, Lamentabili is

1445
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:48,600
the condemned propositions of nineteen oh seven
under Pius the tenth, the sainted Pope.

1446
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:54,720
For them, Lamentabili son the condemned
the syllabus of errors of the Modernists.

1447
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:56,319
When you read the errors of the
Modernists, it's all the stuff that

1448
02:13:56,439 --> 02:14:01,880
Francis does when he gives you one
statement about what the traditional teaching is and

1449
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:07,159
then gives you it's antithesis, which
is the new evolved moved position thesis,

1450
02:14:07,399 --> 02:14:11,600
antithesis synthesis. And that's why Wageran. And these people know anything about Marxists,

1451
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:16,600
Marxism and dialectics, and so they
don't understand they're being played by people

1452
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:22,840
who are masters at dialectics. Yeah, and well, one thing that's interesting

1453
02:14:22,079 --> 02:14:28,960
about the doctrine doesn't change, right, that's gone from being basically some kind

1454
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:33,439
of form, right, the doctrine
is the old phrase is literally truth's fallen

1455
02:14:33,479 --> 02:14:35,039
from heaven. Right, that it's
like a form in your mind, and

1456
02:14:35,159 --> 02:14:39,720
it's it's this one to one with
what the church is proposing. And obviously,

1457
02:14:41,199 --> 02:14:43,960
yeah, so what France is going
to do is reject you know,

1458
02:14:43,079 --> 02:14:48,039
the super outland is clearly modernist proposal. But then you could find these documents

1459
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:52,600
from like the Theological Commission that say, yes, doctrines are one hundred percent

1460
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:56,199
true, unchanging, but they're historically
media right, they throw in these little

1461
02:14:56,239 --> 02:15:00,560
things, but they're analogous, right, they're historically mediate. They could be

1462
02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:05,720
unpacked more, right, is the
is the new way exactly exactly the way

1463
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:09,279
they're saying, How is that not
an evolution in the essential thing? It

1464
02:15:09,399 --> 02:15:11,359
is? But they then and they
and they believe in evolution of doctrines.

1465
02:15:11,399 --> 02:15:16,880
So problem solved exactly, Yeah,
and it goes back to Tahartism, right,

1466
02:15:16,119 --> 02:15:18,640
like, uh, the idea.
You know, even the more right

1467
02:15:18,680 --> 02:15:22,960
wing people in this whole thing,
it seems like they just wanted a sort

1468
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:31,760
of based perennialism that eventually merges into
this sort of one world moral force that

1469
02:15:33,039 --> 02:15:35,000
seems to be what Tahart one and
that seems to be what von Balpas are

1470
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:39,960
and Deludback and all that wanted as
well. Yeah, I think at root

1471
02:15:41,159 --> 02:15:46,680
they are believing in and operating on
a principle of dialectical synthesis, even if

1472
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:50,199
they don't know it. That's what
I'm trying to say. And so the

1473
02:15:50,319 --> 02:15:52,680
idea that you could find, for
example, I mean, look, look

1474
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:58,720
how silly this is. Lamenta Bailey
is condemning the notion of changing doctrines and

1475
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:03,239
doctrines having a newer, different sense. That's condemned multiple times in the sixty

1476
02:16:03,319 --> 02:16:09,479
five propositions that are condemned. Now
Francis has already had conceded and says that

1477
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:13,039
that is the case, but he
can also affirm that divine revelation itself doesn't

1478
02:16:13,119 --> 02:16:20,479
change our access to an interpretation of
that evolves and gets becomes greater, more

1479
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:24,039
rich. Right, So he's affirming
two contradictory things, because for him,

1480
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:31,720
truth is the synthesis of two contradictions. Yeah, well the whole I guess

1481
02:16:31,880 --> 02:16:35,639
this is behind the driver union.
Right for accumunism as well, is yes,

1482
02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:41,079
absolutely, acumenism is. Acumenism is
based on dialectical synthesis and process philosophy,

1483
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:46,159
because what does every acumenists say,
We are in search of the church.

1484
02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:48,079
We're in search for the union of
the church. So the union of

1485
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:52,239
the church and the church do not
exist. The church is an emergent thing

1486
02:16:52,520 --> 02:16:58,760
that we discover on the basis of
dialectical, diological process and praxis. That

1487
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:03,280
that's why this book is so important
that Ratzinger wrote a book with Harber Moss

1488
02:17:03,399 --> 02:17:09,120
on dialectics and practice. Yeah.
Well, the idea of being that the

1489
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:15,280
true church is somehow a dialectic between
Eastern citidelity, yes, and Western monarchy.

1490
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:16,600
Yes, right, but the truth. But the truth is actually going

1491
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:20,920
to be something that emerges the truth. Yes, the truth is what emerges

1492
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:26,360
that we discover via our academics and
global elite patrons when we have the New

1493
02:17:26,520 --> 02:17:33,399
Union of twenty thirty. Well,
and this is also the uh with the

1494
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:37,079
intercommunion, right, the idea is, and even with the gay marriage stuff,

1495
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:39,200
the idea is is, we don't
necessarily I mean, obviously they need

1496
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:43,360
to have these academics come in and
make all the teas and you know,

1497
02:17:43,479 --> 02:17:48,280
dot everything so it all lines up. But the real emphasis is on the

1498
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:52,319
practice of intercommunion, right, or
in this case, the practice correct practice,

1499
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:56,520
practice practice, find out what happens. Yes, So in other words,

1500
02:17:56,559 --> 02:18:03,440
for change to occur, you you
institute this by revolutionary action. So

1501
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:09,120
doing the intercommunion will in a reciprocal
way change the theology in the doctrine correct.

1502
02:18:11,079 --> 02:18:15,840
Yeah. Yeah, Again, if
you guys go back and watch the

1503
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:22,079
livestream that I just did on dialectical
materialism and instead of materialism, just replace

1504
02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:31,479
everything that I talked about in that
discussion with Hegelian for when the Hegelian synthesis

1505
02:18:31,639 --> 02:18:35,920
and Frankfurt school stuff, you will
get the exact same approach and model for

1506
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:39,920
what Francis and the Vatican too.
Francis and the Vatican are just using the

1507
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:46,440
dialectical technique that the Marxists did too
much greater effect. Because the Marxists have

1508
02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:50,680
kind of lost They're not really around
now. It's kind of these neoliberal powers

1509
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:54,760
and the Vatican is one of those
things, and it's using that to great

1510
02:18:54,840 --> 02:19:00,639
effect. So again, if you
understand dialectical Marxism's acceptance of country addictions,

1511
02:19:01,239 --> 02:19:05,239
because in their view you have to
understand truth is process. It is not

1512
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:11,440
an abstract, transcendent thing. From
the human vantage point, we're all in

1513
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:16,200
the process of discovering truth. So
their presupposition for all of this is not

1514
02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:22,840
the immutability of the transcendent. It's
the ever changing and evolving human subjective interpretation,

1515
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:28,159
the phenomenological interpretation of religion, and
so it's always it's always subject to

1516
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:35,319
limitation and to change. And so
truth is the ongoing process of what we

1517
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:41,360
come to in the contradiction synthesizing.
That's so crucial. So you, yeah,

1518
02:19:41,959 --> 02:19:45,760
there's a there's actually so this reminds
me of a I think when I

1519
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:48,680
was first starting to come into the
church, I was in my university library.

1520
02:19:48,719 --> 02:19:54,040
I found this book of Roman Catholic
dogmatic systematic theology is used in semin

1521
02:19:54,079 --> 02:20:00,319
areas all over the world. It's
called Truth is a Synthesis. And in

1522
02:20:00,399 --> 02:20:05,120
the first probably twenty pages of the
book, they say the Orthodox Church doesn't

1523
02:20:05,159 --> 02:20:11,479
have tradition because the Orthodox Church doesn't
change, and it's like, you know,

1524
02:20:11,639 --> 02:20:16,239
of course the Bible Church, that's
an admission that where the true church.

1525
02:20:16,079 --> 02:20:22,079
Yeah, no, because because a
lot of the Russian apologetics talk about

1526
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:26,000
this like Homeokov and stuff like,
you know, the whole point is that

1527
02:20:26,079 --> 02:20:28,319
the spirit, it's one spirit,
one faith, doesn't it's not supposed to

1528
02:20:28,399 --> 02:20:33,000
change, right, The Body of
Christ shouldn't be able to just completely ecclesiastically

1529
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:41,079
renovate itself in the year one thousand, right, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1530
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:43,440
But what do you think though,
is is gonna be the response of

1531
02:20:45,719 --> 02:20:50,319
the sort of traditional Roman Catholic camp
to this, because it seems like you

1532
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:58,280
either have to say, you know, start start adopting some we're you know,

1533
02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:03,920
we're we're bishops and resist since type
ecclesiology, and then you know,

1534
02:21:03,479 --> 02:21:07,280
one thing that I've seen happen a
lot is a lot of the stuff about

1535
02:21:07,319 --> 02:21:11,719
how much you have to obey the
pope has finally started to push itself out

1536
02:21:11,799 --> 02:21:16,879
into Catholic conscious I think because of
the multi apologists. Right, But I

1537
02:21:16,959 --> 02:21:20,399
mean, if so, if if
it's really going to be between the sort

1538
02:21:20,440 --> 02:21:26,760
of neoscholastic let me see how many
distinctions I could draw to make this look

1539
02:21:26,879 --> 02:21:30,799
normal, and the people who are
going to have to basically say we have

1540
02:21:30,879 --> 02:21:35,079
to reevaluate doctrine. I mean,
I guess it's it seems like you could

1541
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:39,840
kind of go one or two ways. And I was just curious on what

1542
02:21:39,959 --> 02:21:43,399
you think is going to happen.
I mean, are people just gonna keep

1543
02:21:43,479 --> 02:21:48,200
swallowing the cope or are they gonna
do some SSPX thing all the above,

1544
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:52,239
So you're going to have more people
converting to the Orthodox Church, which we've

1545
02:21:52,280 --> 02:21:54,799
already seen thousands of people convert Orthodoxy
in the last four or five years,

1546
02:21:56,159 --> 02:22:00,239
so we'll continue to see that as
well as we will see people saying,

1547
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:01,920
hey, maybe the Trads had it
right. I'm gonna look at the SSPX,

1548
02:22:01,959 --> 02:22:05,520
I'm a look at the FSSP,
I'm gonna look at the set of

1549
02:22:05,559 --> 02:22:09,639
a contest groups. And so they're
gonna have to probably many of them find

1550
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:13,479
out on their own. They'll have
to, you know, learn for the

1551
02:22:13,799 --> 02:22:18,360
learn the hard way that these options
are not viable real options. And for

1552
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:20,559
those that are considering and toying with
the idea of set of a contism,

1553
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:24,719
I would recommend that you watch my
stream right here where I argue that set

1554
02:22:24,719 --> 02:22:28,239
of a contism proves Orthodoxy, and
I argue that on the basis of the

1555
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:35,639
book by my our friend John Pontrello, who I just everything that is in

1556
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:39,559
his book I basically just summarized in
that three hour live stream. But I

1557
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:45,239
do recommend getting his book. It's
right here. How Vatican choose clash with

1558
02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:50,959
with tradition really proves the orthodox view. So basically, again, you know,

1559
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:54,120
Orthodoxy is saying set of a contiest
stuff on a thousand years ago.

1560
02:22:54,719 --> 02:22:58,319
So the link is too long and
won't let me link it, but you

1561
02:22:58,360 --> 02:23:03,559
can just get the book if you
really want to go ahead. You see

1562
02:23:03,719 --> 02:23:07,760
any possibility for well, yeah,
because this is really the issue. I

1563
02:23:07,799 --> 02:23:09,559
think, based on people I know
in my own life, this this would

1564
02:23:09,559 --> 02:23:15,000
be the issue, right that really
breaks the camel's back. But it won't.

1565
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:18,319
It won't be the issue. It
won't be the issue because well,

1566
02:23:18,360 --> 02:23:20,959
I had friends that were holding out, that were tried for a long time,

1567
02:23:20,079 --> 02:23:28,680
and then when there was a some
sort of bishop's meeting discussion about women

1568
02:23:28,920 --> 02:23:35,680
ordination that was being had in Rome
three or four years ago, and that

1569
02:23:35,959 --> 02:23:41,000
led my good friend and his entire
family basically to go to Orthodoxy. So

1570
02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:46,120
I think it's different for different people. And what seems to usually happen to

1571
02:23:46,159 --> 02:23:50,079
the diehards and the holdout is like
there's a there's a last straw. So

1572
02:23:50,559 --> 02:23:54,520
I think with a lot of people, they're already doubting, they're worried,

1573
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:56,760
they're concerned. They have been for
many years, especially people that are newly

1574
02:23:56,840 --> 02:24:01,719
coming back to the Romancolic Church or
converting to it, and they're seeing these

1575
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:07,040
things and they're wondering, and so
usually what happens is they try all of

1576
02:24:07,159 --> 02:24:09,360
the different explanations, which I did
this. I did the exact same thing

1577
02:24:09,440 --> 02:24:13,920
that people are doing. I went
through the well, we just got to

1578
02:24:13,959 --> 02:24:16,440
find a Latin Mass to go to. Well, I just got to find

1579
02:24:16,440 --> 02:24:20,000
a base trad, you know,
priests, base trad, bishop, I'll

1580
02:24:20,079 --> 02:24:24,159
check and then that that eventually led
me to SSPX, and then the SSPX

1581
02:24:24,079 --> 02:24:28,840
spent seven or eight years going to
Latin Mass. There. That's a whole

1582
02:24:28,879 --> 02:24:31,440
world of madness and insanity on its
own. All the corruption they have all

1583
02:24:31,479 --> 02:24:33,879
the same, maybe not to the
same degree, but that's full of a

1584
02:24:33,879 --> 02:24:37,600
bunch of sex scandals as well,
a bunch of insane people, weirdos,

1585
02:24:37,719 --> 02:24:45,479
creeps, literally, con men,
shady corporation. It's just crazy and you

1586
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:48,239
don't know, and you want people
don't they choose not to believe it until

1587
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:52,319
they go and experience it for themselves. So people will test out all the

1588
02:24:52,360 --> 02:24:56,559
different options. Uh. The Sata
world is his own world of insanity.

1589
02:24:56,760 --> 02:25:01,079
Basically there's no church. But again
in the Sata world, there there's no

1590
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:05,040
way to have another church, and
so what usually happens is another pope to

1591
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:09,600
save the church. Right, what
usually happens is that they default to apocalypticism.

1592
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:13,920
And when you default apocalypticism, now
you're right for like crazy cult stuff

1593
02:25:15,079 --> 02:25:18,760
and for the more sane elements amongst
them. Uh, they won't find that

1594
02:25:20,159 --> 02:25:24,959
very satisfying or intellectually convincing for very
long. They'll they will soon see the

1595
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:31,159
insanity of all that. I saw
all that firsthand. What's what's left Orthodoxy

1596
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:35,360
or Protestant? Yeah, yeah,
because I mean if you look at stuff

1597
02:25:35,360 --> 02:25:39,479
like Baywatch, right, it's like
so obviously pray list, so obviously demonic.

1598
02:25:41,840 --> 02:25:46,200
They watched the TV show Watch.
I think I think it's it's one

1599
02:25:46,239 --> 02:25:52,680
of these appearances where the lady was
saying, you know, have Bayside you're

1600
02:25:52,680 --> 02:25:58,360
talking about Bayside. Yeah, no, no, no. In Taylor Marshall's

1601
02:25:58,440 --> 02:26:01,879
mind, it's Baywatch because to let
when Mary appears to him in his dreams,

1602
02:26:01,959 --> 02:26:07,920
it's engorged. It's engorged Milkers according
to Taylor Marshall. But no,

1603
02:26:07,079 --> 02:26:11,799
Bayside is a totally a Cold War
SiGe out. There's a great paper that

1604
02:26:11,959 --> 02:26:16,520
I covered about that. Yeah,
yeah, but I guess so. But

1605
02:26:16,600 --> 02:26:20,319
the thing is, it's easy to
say, hey, here's this, here's

1606
02:26:20,360 --> 02:26:22,920
this really awful thing. I'm going
to tell you about it. Pray for

1607
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:24,920
the church. I think with this, it's like, okay, you know,

1608
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:30,319
you know, the Roman Catholic influencers
are gonna be accountable for giving some

1609
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:33,360
kind of explanation. And also,
what I was thinking is is do you

1610
02:26:33,399 --> 02:26:37,200
think we could actually see like a
schism, because you know, you know,

1611
02:26:37,479 --> 02:26:41,040
Conclavism is like a you know,
we have these like five bishops,

1612
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:43,200
right, so it seems like at
this point in the church we got like

1613
02:26:43,559 --> 02:26:48,319
five high ranking not high ranking,
they're they're minor positions, but five people

1614
02:26:48,360 --> 02:26:54,920
in the hierarchy who actually believe the
stuff they believe. Maybe they don't,

1615
02:26:54,959 --> 02:26:56,799
but it seems like they believe all
the whole thing are you talking about the

1616
02:26:56,879 --> 02:27:01,200
thought the ones behind the DUBI A
question then Schneider and some of these other

1617
02:27:01,360 --> 02:27:05,559
bishops, like, do you think
they would legitimately say, like Francis is

1618
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:07,959
of the pope, We're going to
have like a conclave to do something like

1619
02:27:09,079 --> 02:27:15,719
that. I think that's highly un
I mean, not impossible, but highly

1620
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:20,760
unlikely. And because I don't know
like how they would conceivably even solve this

1621
02:27:20,959 --> 02:27:24,799
issue, because you know, I
mean, I'm not some expert on Roman

1622
02:27:24,840 --> 02:27:26,280
cally canon law. It's super boring. I don't really care that much about

1623
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:31,600
it. But I don't understand how
they would solve this dilemma canonically, I

1624
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:35,200
mean, because unless they want to
try to just I mean, they could

1625
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:41,479
argue something like the SSPX argue with
an extremists that canon laws are suspended in

1626
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:46,440
extreme emergency situations, and so it's
an emergency situation. So the all of

1627
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:48,719
the canons that relate to how the
pope is elected and all that. But

1628
02:27:48,799 --> 02:27:52,920
the problem is that guess what,
that's already been done, That was done

1629
02:27:52,959 --> 02:27:56,879
by groups called conclavists, and how
well did that how well did that work

1630
02:27:56,920 --> 02:28:00,959
out for all the kook quack conclavist
cults that are out there. It didn't

1631
02:28:00,959 --> 02:28:03,399
work out at all. And by
the way, here is Taylor Marshall saying

1632
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:07,840
his mystical vision. So you don't
think I'm making this up. This is

1633
02:28:07,879 --> 02:28:11,200
what these people want to turn to. So rather than orthodoxy, you're gonna

1634
02:28:11,239 --> 02:28:18,959
listen to quacko tradcats talking about visions
of engorged milkers. Well, I'm not

1635
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:24,079
a visionary and turning out of prophet. I have seen supernatural things in my

1636
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:28,200
life as a Christian, as a
Catholic, and one of those things happened

1637
02:28:28,319 --> 02:28:35,440
last night, and I'm reluctant to
share it, but I think it'll be

1638
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:41,319
of comfort to other people. So
yesterday I went to confession and one of

1639
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:46,959
the things I confessed was being prideful
and judgmental and worried and concerned about the

1640
02:28:46,079 --> 02:28:54,360
state of the church and corruption in
the church and scandals, and it's been

1641
02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:56,000
a kind of a struggle for me
lately. So anyway, I confess that,

1642
02:28:56,120 --> 02:29:00,239
and the priests had some very good
things to counsel me on that.

1643
02:29:00,440 --> 02:29:03,440
And later that night, which was
last night, I was doing examination of

1644
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:11,040
conscience before bed and I was thinking
on that point of being worried and concerned

1645
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:16,120
and judgmental, and all these negative
thoughts and emotions about the Holy Catholic Church,

1646
02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:20,840
Mother Church. And as I was
suddenly like, I saw this beautiful

1647
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:22,879
woman. She had blonde hair,
she was perfect, no wrinkles, no

1648
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:26,799
spots, and I immediately discerned that
this was Holy Mother of the Church.

1649
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:33,600
And she was writing in pain.
She was in a bed and there's sheets

1650
02:29:33,639 --> 02:29:37,879
on her, and she was very
sick, and I noticed that her breasts

1651
02:29:37,079 --> 02:29:43,600
were engorged with milk, tons of
milk, and there were babies and children

1652
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:46,559
crying out to her that were hungry, and she wanted to feed them,

1653
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:50,520
and she was upset, but she
was so sick she could hardly sit up

1654
02:29:50,600 --> 02:29:54,200
from her bed. And then I
thought to myself, Oh, she doesn't

1655
02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:58,920
want she's poisoned. She doesn't want
to nurse the children because then she'll go

1656
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:01,760
of them the poison. And then
there was this voice, it was like

1657
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:05,120
God or an angel, I don't
know, and it said, no,

1658
02:30:05,799 --> 02:30:09,760
the milk is still pure. And
so I saw her there and all for

1659
02:30:09,879 --> 02:30:16,719
beauty, but so sick and struggling
and loving those children, and then seeing

1660
02:30:16,840 --> 02:30:24,680
her all that milk stored up there, and I realized that the sacramental graces.

1661
02:30:24,959 --> 02:30:30,920
The dog Andrew needs to put this
on his lunatics on the Internet series,

1662
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:35,479
right, I mean the engorgement and
he keeps stressing really interested in that

1663
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:37,280
milk, milk, milk, milk, those breast milk, the breast milk.

1664
02:30:39,319 --> 02:30:45,639
Anyway, but remember that is good
stuff. I'm mean and bad.

1665
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:48,200
I'm a bad man. I'm the
bad man. That's all good, solid,

1666
02:30:48,360 --> 02:30:52,120
traad stuff. Just a bunch of
fucking quackery. Dude, I'm kind

1667
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:54,079
of I'm kind of sick of it. I'm gonna be honest, I'm kind

1668
02:30:54,120 --> 02:31:07,479
of sick of it. Ranger,
what's up? Go ahead, and I

1669
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:13,760
mute. Ranger. Thank you very
much, but also no, thank you

1670
02:31:13,879 --> 02:31:20,040
for reminding me of that horrid video. Now. I just had a quick

1671
02:31:20,159 --> 02:31:26,319
question regarding people infallibility. How exactly
do we argue against that? What do

1672
02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:30,319
we use as an argument against Well, I mean, there's a lot of

1673
02:31:30,360 --> 02:31:33,559
different ways to argue against it.
You could argue against it biblically. You

1674
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:37,280
could argue against it from you know, patristic teaching, or you could argue

1675
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:43,879
against it from outright you know,
contradictions in remy Catholic canons and pronouncements.

1676
02:31:43,959 --> 02:31:48,959
I mean, I think the easiest
route is to argue that the canons from

1677
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:56,840
each of the seven ecumenical count every
ecumenical council contains canons which contradict the claims

1678
02:31:56,840 --> 02:31:58,879
of Vatican One. So I've done
multiple streams on that. I just put

1679
02:32:00,079 --> 02:32:03,399
that stream up on Twitter today,
so you go to my Twitter feed and

1680
02:32:03,479 --> 02:32:07,760
you can find my two hour live
stream on specifically the canons that contradict the

1681
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:13,399
claims of Vatican One. I think
that's the strongest because typically their approach is

1682
02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:18,680
to stack up quote minds from the
church fathers, and our approaches, well,

1683
02:32:18,799 --> 02:32:24,639
the academenical councils and the canons actually
express the universal collective mind of the

1684
02:32:24,760 --> 02:32:30,319
Church, and that's more powerful and
more authoritative than any single church father as

1685
02:32:30,360 --> 02:32:33,479
even Roman Catholics have met. Even
Roman Catholics think that individual church fathers could

1686
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:37,760
air and can air and have aired, and even saints and doctors of the

1687
02:32:37,879 --> 02:32:39,479
church, and the Roman Catholic view
have aired and made mistakes. Right,

1688
02:32:39,719 --> 02:32:45,840
Aquinas disagreed with the Immaculate conception.
Every Roman Catholic rejects that view in Aquitas,

1689
02:32:46,360 --> 02:32:52,840
So the most effective and powerful approach
historically in my view is the canons

1690
02:32:52,879 --> 02:32:56,520
of the of the seven Echemical Councils, and I have an whole essay on

1691
02:32:56,600 --> 02:33:01,799
my website where we have all of
the ones list that contradict what Vatican one

1692
02:33:01,879 --> 02:33:05,239
claims. And then secondly, I
think the strongest argument is the contradictions between

1693
02:33:05,319 --> 02:33:11,040
pre and post Vatican two dogmatic teaching. If you read a book like Popes

1694
02:33:11,079 --> 02:33:16,559
Against the Modern Errors from Ten Publishers, which is basically fifteen or sixteen people

1695
02:33:16,639 --> 02:33:22,840
and cyclicals and dogmatic documents prior to
Vatican Two, they condemn most of the

1696
02:33:22,959 --> 02:33:30,000
theology and the positions that are touted
post Vatican Two. Gotcha? And would

1697
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:35,719
you say the same concerning ex cathedral
like biblical examples? Yeah? I mean

1698
02:33:35,719 --> 02:33:41,440
I think, for example, do
we see Peter teaching ex Cathedra in Acts

1699
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:46,040
fifteen at Jerusalem? No? Do
we see Peter teaching ex Cathedra or having

1700
02:33:46,120 --> 02:33:50,079
that type of authority when Paul rebukes
him for the theological error in relations?

1701
02:33:50,159 --> 02:33:56,920
No? Goutcha. I think that's
all. I had just one more idea

1702
02:33:56,000 --> 02:34:00,280
to throw out there. Okay,
you think we could get some cheer already

1703
02:34:00,280 --> 02:34:09,760
and nuanced stickers for the discord server, Yes, And I will actually buy

1704
02:34:09,879 --> 02:34:13,559
those bumper stickers and put them on
my car. So correct Temple hat.

1705
02:34:13,639 --> 02:34:24,120
What's up? Hi? Jay?
Hey, what's up? I just wanted

1706
02:34:24,200 --> 02:34:28,280
to bring up that I wanted to
kind of focus on something that you talked

1707
02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:30,520
about. Oh wait, are you
a woman, because I just want to

1708
02:34:30,520 --> 02:34:35,000
be mean to you, because when
because I wake up to figure out and

1709
02:34:35,079 --> 02:34:39,040
pick the women that I want to
be misogynist and mean to go ahead.

1710
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:43,319
I've been in the military, so
I'm not trust me. You don't,

1711
02:34:43,399 --> 02:34:48,200
so I'm gonna have to be extra
mean, extra mean for me, extra

1712
02:34:48,319 --> 02:34:52,000
means to me. I thought it
was really interesting that you're talking about in

1713
02:34:52,079 --> 02:34:56,920
your review of Marxism the other night, about herod bitis with regards to the

1714
02:34:58,000 --> 02:35:01,680
Vatican and their attitude, which is
the contrary when you get Vatican one and

1715
02:35:01,760 --> 02:35:07,159
then Vatican two, and how they
contradict one another, and the contradiction makes

1716
02:35:07,239 --> 02:35:11,479
everything completely truth. You can basically
make anything true correct, you know,

1717
02:35:13,399 --> 02:35:16,879
And I just thought that was like
so hit home with me, and I

1718
02:35:16,079 --> 02:35:20,959
just wanted to thank you for saying
that, because that totally I was just

1719
02:35:20,079 --> 02:35:22,719
like, yes, thank you,
because I've been going back and forth with

1720
02:35:22,799 --> 02:35:26,280
my mother about this I'm just like, you got either a religion of contradiction.

1721
02:35:26,879 --> 02:35:31,360
Everything is a contradiction. Yeah,
just like the just like the dialectical

1722
02:35:31,440 --> 02:35:37,440
materialists who embrace that and say,
yes, let's take it on. And

1723
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:39,840
when we take it on, when
we take on the contradictions, it will

1724
02:35:39,879 --> 02:35:43,680
produce the synthesis. The only difference
is that the Roman Catholics claim to not

1725
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:48,559
accept contradictions, but their system forces
them to it, whereas the dialectical Marxists

1726
02:35:48,559 --> 02:35:54,799
say, no, we embrace contradictions
because that is the process of truth itself.

1727
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:58,120
Truth is process. I mean,
it's Hegalianism. It's very, it's

1728
02:35:58,239 --> 02:36:03,159
very it's sounds obscure and crazy,
and oh, I got to read all

1729
02:36:03,159 --> 02:36:07,920
these philosophers. No, it's just
it's just embracing contradictions as a means of

1730
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:13,600
the furtherance of revolutionary action. That's
the Marxist view. And I would just

1731
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:18,920
argue that these guys are just religious
religious Hegelian pseudo Marxists. I mean,

1732
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:24,520
they're just they're just doing the same
thing as the dialectical materialists, but with

1733
02:36:24,760 --> 02:36:30,920
religion, because they serve the same
masters. What they don't realize is that,

1734
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:35,040
like they like read Vatican One,
you have to submit with the docility

1735
02:36:35,159 --> 02:36:39,440
to the pope. And then you
see all these Roman pacts that's going crazy,

1736
02:36:39,559 --> 02:36:43,280
saying, oh, we're going to
call the popa heratic, We're going

1737
02:36:43,399 --> 02:36:46,120
to pray for his conversion. You
can't pray for his conversion. You have

1738
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:50,399
to follow him, like it's ridiculous, it's so crazy. That's all I

1739
02:36:50,479 --> 02:36:54,000
saw yesterday was like, oh,
we're going to pray for his conversion,

1740
02:36:54,479 --> 02:36:56,760
you know, or maybe you know, are we going to take him out

1741
02:36:56,760 --> 02:37:00,799
of the church? So the supreme
Pastor and teacher of all Christians is not

1742
02:37:00,879 --> 02:37:05,920
a Christian. That's what that means. Yes, And it's just it's insanity.

1743
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:09,280
I don't understand how people in the
system, and I feel bad for

1744
02:37:09,360 --> 02:37:11,159
them, just don't get like,
I don't understand how they don't see it

1745
02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:16,239
like I've tried to tell because the
problems aren't intellectual. Doesn't this demonstrate the

1746
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:20,639
point at the beginning of the stream, which is that everyone in this domain,

1747
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:24,680
just like Protestants, they all approach
these issues like, oh, I'll

1748
02:37:24,799 --> 02:37:31,040
find the book and the intellectual doctrine
that solves the algorithm, Like Matt Dadbod

1749
02:37:31,079 --> 02:37:35,200
when he's solving the big math problem, right, is a goodwill hunting and

1750
02:37:35,319 --> 02:37:39,280
he walks in from sweeping up vomit
when he's a janitor and he sees this

1751
02:37:39,360 --> 02:37:43,159
big algorithm and he's like, oh, give me the marker, and like

1752
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:46,319
he plays with it and solves this
super algorithm. Right, that's what they

1753
02:37:46,360 --> 02:37:50,559
think that it's a big intellectual dilemma. No, no, it is not

1754
02:37:50,719 --> 02:37:56,440
an intellectual dilemma. It's a moral
problem that all of us have that cannot

1755
02:37:56,479 --> 02:38:03,719
be solved with new proposition and new
statements, new commissions, new documents.

1756
02:38:03,440 --> 02:38:07,200
Father Deacon, would you comment on
that? Because you actually make this point

1757
02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:11,200
quite a bit, and it's important
because a lot of people say, oh,

1758
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:13,639
Father Deacon and an i As and
those people in his circles, they're

1759
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:20,639
all intellectual. They think that everything
is sold with intellect and philosophy. Are

1760
02:38:20,719 --> 02:38:26,360
you there? All right, he's
not here, but you get the point,

1761
02:38:26,440 --> 02:38:30,000
right. He can comment on that
when he comes back. What I

1762
02:38:30,159 --> 02:38:35,639
what I think is so refrescting about
Father Deacon is that he is so and

1763
02:38:37,559 --> 02:38:41,280
you're cutting out. Can you bring
everything into perspective? Can you repeat that

1764
02:38:41,399 --> 02:38:46,520
you cut out? Can you repeat
that you cut out? What is so

1765
02:38:46,639 --> 02:38:52,840
wonderful about Father Deacon is that he
is so humble and he is yet he's

1766
02:38:52,280 --> 02:38:56,639
incredibly intelligent, and he lays his
message out there and it's and it's so

1767
02:38:56,799 --> 02:39:01,520
easy to take and he doesn't put
up pretenses. He's not he's not a

1768
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:05,840
controversial person very and I find him
to be like one of one of the

1769
02:39:05,959 --> 02:39:11,360
best writers and one of the best
minds that I've come across. That's just

1770
02:39:11,639 --> 02:39:13,280
has been my perspective. And well, God bless him, by the way,

1771
02:39:13,319 --> 02:39:20,040
I'll send you the check. I
do I do appreciate. Yeah,

1772
02:39:20,639 --> 02:39:24,440
I do find you to be so
humble because you are an incredibly intelligent in

1773
02:39:24,520 --> 02:39:28,639
how you speak, and you don't
get riled up when people are like coming

1774
02:39:28,719 --> 02:39:31,440
at you and screaming at you.
And I think that's it's hard for all

1775
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:35,559
of us to do because I know
if people were coming at me like they

1776
02:39:35,639 --> 02:39:39,399
come at you, I would just
be like are So I do appreciate that.

1777
02:39:39,879 --> 02:39:43,959
Well, I'll tell you where that
comes from a lot of suffering actually,

1778
02:39:46,760 --> 02:39:52,200
and in our lives that suffering can
be a very humble like once you

1779
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:56,719
go through really really difficult stuff,
people screaming that you doesn't it doesn't really

1780
02:39:56,799 --> 02:40:03,760
mean much. What would I wish
upon people. But it's a good medicine.

1781
02:40:05,239 --> 02:40:09,920
Would you comment on that, you
know that point which actually you've made

1782
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:11,680
a lot, which is a lot
of times people approach these issues and they

1783
02:40:11,719 --> 02:40:16,440
think, well, this is a
big intellectual dilemma that i'll solve, but

1784
02:40:16,920 --> 02:40:24,719
it's not an intellectual problem at root. Yeah, exactly, And that's that's

1785
02:40:24,760 --> 02:40:31,319
always a trap of the devil.
You know, you just have to understand

1786
02:40:31,479 --> 02:40:39,639
that orthodox is a life, and
first and foremost it's a life with Christ.

1787
02:40:39,799 --> 02:40:43,440
It's a person, truth, a
person, it's incarnational, and we

1788
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:52,520
worship a trinitarian god of community.
To invert that and think that you start

1789
02:40:52,600 --> 02:41:01,520
with the realm of ideas and facts, that is contrary to Christ and his

1790
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:09,000
kingdom, and so that the demons
are very good at at this because their

1791
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:15,959
domain is the noetic realm. And
so what do they do. They always

1792
02:41:16,079 --> 02:41:22,159
use the same kind of tricks,
pride, oh you're smart enough to figure

1793
02:41:22,200 --> 02:41:28,520
this out, and ideas. They're
messengers. Here's this idea, and what

1794
02:41:28,680 --> 02:41:33,280
they're trying to do. They're masters
of distraction. That's why we pray in

1795
02:41:33,360 --> 02:41:41,000
the liturgy and when we sing this
lay aside all earthly cares lay aside all

1796
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:46,760
the distractions and have a you know, an encounter with the living God.

1797
02:41:48,239 --> 02:41:50,879
So demons have to distract us,
and one of the ways they do that

1798
02:41:50,239 --> 02:41:56,520
is with messages and ideas, Oh, we'll just solve this intellectual problem.

1799
02:41:58,200 --> 02:42:03,200
We'll just build this system. And
you'll notice that, especially at the turn

1800
02:42:03,440 --> 02:42:11,559
of when we're turning into modernity and
the enlightenment, what is it that we

1801
02:42:11,719 --> 02:42:16,959
notice about all these you know,
anti Christian ideologies, the secular ideologies.

1802
02:42:18,799 --> 02:42:22,079
There's system builders. Yes, I'll
build the system. I'll build my own

1803
02:42:22,440 --> 02:42:28,520
tower. And by the way,
system building itself is part of the dialectical

1804
02:42:28,239 --> 02:42:33,120
that's a self a dialectical project.
It's saying that, okay, there's all

1805
02:42:33,159 --> 02:42:37,040
these guys that came before, I
can take the true and the false out

1806
02:42:37,079 --> 02:42:41,680
of them and I'll construct a new
system. That's not the same thing as

1807
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:45,520
church fathers looking at this philosopher,
that philosopher and saying, okay, this

1808
02:42:45,639 --> 02:42:48,879
was true, that was false,
because it's not a system building project.

1809
02:42:48,959 --> 02:42:54,680
The church's role is to comment on
and explain the immutable truths of divine revelation

1810
02:42:54,799 --> 02:43:00,479
that have been revealed. It is
not a dialectical, diological, historical process.

1811
02:43:00,639 --> 02:43:05,520
Philosophy of which all of these people
are doing because it all comes out

1812
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:11,959
of Hegelianism and the Hermetic tradition.
Hegelianism is processed philosophy. We've taken out

1813
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:16,479
the doctrine of the news. Your
it's your it's your heart. Like I

1814
02:43:16,639 --> 02:43:22,120
think that was the biggest problem with
Rome, is they the of the news

1815
02:43:22,239 --> 02:43:26,479
because man does not. We have
so many facts that we can build upon,

1816
02:43:26,680 --> 02:43:30,040
and we have infinite knowledge. But
if your heart is not is not

1817
02:43:30,879 --> 02:43:33,280
linked with your mind, it doesn't
really matter at all. Right. The

1818
02:43:33,479 --> 02:43:41,600
very rejection of the news is presupposing
that man's problem is intellectual correct now,

1819
02:43:43,360 --> 02:43:46,799
and man does have intellectual errors and
problems, but those are an effect,

1820
02:43:48,200 --> 02:43:56,200
not the cause. The cause is
the lack of correct heart orientation in relation.

1821
02:43:56,840 --> 02:44:03,600
Heyjah, remember when we're over uh
my parents place in California and we

1822
02:44:03,719 --> 02:44:07,799
had a a I won't name them
by names, certain somebody that came over

1823
02:44:07,959 --> 02:44:09,879
that. Well, you see with
the problem with the all you know,

1824
02:44:09,920 --> 02:44:15,079
all the problems in the world are
that people not enough people went to college

1825
02:44:16,120 --> 02:44:20,799
or what he said, what he
said people went to college. Yeah,

1826
02:44:20,879 --> 02:44:28,000
remember that all the world's uh problems
could be solved by people going to higher

1827
02:44:28,120 --> 02:44:31,440
education, going down to college degrees. Yeah, man's problem is not intellect,

1828
02:44:31,879 --> 02:44:35,879
it's his heart. It's made a
bunch of made everybody a bunch of

1829
02:44:35,959 --> 02:44:43,000
communists by going to college. Now
we're worth at college, and we're forgotten

1830
02:44:43,000 --> 02:44:46,680
about the evil genius exactly. I
mean he goes an idea of somebody that

1831
02:44:46,920 --> 02:44:52,600
knows all the facts and is evil. Yeah. I mean think about Dostievsky's

1832
02:44:52,639 --> 02:44:56,040
Notes from the Underground. I mean
the point of Notes from Notes from the

1833
02:44:56,120 --> 02:45:01,479
Underground is that evil, uh is
a moral thing? It's not. Oh,

1834
02:45:01,520 --> 02:45:03,159
well, if we could just better
educate people, right, This is

1835
02:45:03,319 --> 02:45:07,280
underlies all modern progressivism, right,
social programs. Oh, if people were

1836
02:45:07,319 --> 02:45:11,639
just educated, they would never choose
This goes back to the Greeks. The

1837
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:16,479
Greeks had that proto Pallagian idea that
if you just give man more education,

1838
02:45:16,680 --> 02:45:22,760
he would never knowingly choose vice over
virtue. But that assumes that man's not

1839
02:45:22,959 --> 02:45:26,840
fallen and that all man needs is
more education. If man has fallen,

1840
02:45:26,280 --> 02:45:31,559
then he will not always choose vice
over virtues simply by giving being given more

1841
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:45,600
facts. Good points there, tenfoil
Let's move on to absolutely. Next is

1842
02:45:46,559 --> 02:46:03,399
tradig or Ormond tradg Ormond. When
it connects, just hit on mute if

1843
02:46:03,440 --> 02:46:05,440
you can connect. If you have
a hard time connecting, you just come

1844
02:46:05,479 --> 02:46:09,799
out and come back in. And
sometimes that works for people that can't connect

1845
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:13,799
for whatever reason. While he's trying
to connect. Here is the livestream that

1846
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:18,959
I did about the cannons that contradict
about it can one and you can find

1847
02:46:18,040 --> 02:46:24,280
that newly posted on my Twitter feed
right there. Go ahead and subscribe to

1848
02:46:24,360 --> 02:46:28,360
me on X. I don't care
to me, it's still to me.

1849
02:46:28,719 --> 02:46:31,040
To me, it's always Twitter.
To me, it's always Twitter, always

1850
02:46:31,280 --> 02:46:35,159
was, it always will be.
I'm like the people who think that Benedict

1851
02:46:35,280 --> 02:46:39,120
is still Pope, right, It's
like it's always Twitter to me. The

1852
02:46:39,200 --> 02:46:43,120
guy that's crying about wrestling being real, right, all right, didn't the

1853
02:46:43,159 --> 02:46:52,120
connection didn't work for him? Following
Jazz me, what's up? Are you

1854
02:46:52,159 --> 02:46:58,280
following the cryptocurrency jazzmye? Yes?
Okay, go ahead, Yes, So

1855
02:46:58,479 --> 02:47:03,520
I was calling because I'm new to
learning about orthodoxy, been attending an inquirer's

1856
02:47:03,559 --> 02:47:09,319
class, and I really thank you
for you know, bringing up the subjects

1857
02:47:09,360 --> 02:47:13,319
you do, because a lot of
this for me is is new and I'm

1858
02:47:13,319 --> 02:47:16,799
definitely ignorant to a lot of this
stuff. But my question is that in

1859
02:47:16,959 --> 02:47:24,600
regards to the foremarks of the church
and if this relates to the current situation

1860
02:47:24,360 --> 02:47:30,600
with the pope, because you know, I understand that Orthodoxy or the Orthodox

1861
02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:41,680
and communion, and I guess uh
main reason I'm asking is because the Catholic

1862
02:47:41,799 --> 02:47:46,479
Church a sorry how to call come
in? Is the Catholic Church part of

1863
02:47:46,639 --> 02:47:50,440
the true Church? Or are you
know, meaning, are they like a

1864
02:47:50,559 --> 02:47:54,799
church in error? Or are they
not the church at all? They're a

1865
02:47:54,879 --> 02:47:58,879
parachurch. They're a parachurch, and
so it's true that they have some of

1866
02:48:00,120 --> 02:48:05,159
the key issues kind of in union
with us, the Trinity and the incarnation,

1867
02:48:05,040 --> 02:48:09,799
but strictly speaking, after the Council
of Florence, Saint Mark and everybody

1868
02:48:09,879 --> 02:48:16,639
called them a parachurch. So they're
not the church. So they would not

1869
02:48:16,799 --> 02:48:20,920
have the four months of the Church
then no? And would that have started

1870
02:48:20,959 --> 02:48:28,440
with the schism or is that something
that goes even prior to that or I

1871
02:48:28,559 --> 02:48:33,840
think that the definitive, you know, ten fifty four is the communal severance,

1872
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:37,559
and then the official dogmatic severance would
be at Lyons in twelve seventy four,

1873
02:48:37,879 --> 02:48:43,079
and so really for us twelve seventy
four, the Palamite Synods and then

1874
02:48:43,159 --> 02:48:48,399
Florence is the key point of departure. But you certainly had tendencies towards you

1875
02:48:48,479 --> 02:48:52,159
know, the phillyoquoi as we would
be defined at Lyons at twelve seventy four

1876
02:48:52,280 --> 02:48:58,159
prior to twelve seventy four. Gotcha, gotcha? And do any of the

1877
02:48:58,280 --> 02:49:01,959
videos that you are already have up
on addressing Catholicism, do any of them

1878
02:49:03,879 --> 02:49:11,200
addressed like the foremarks of the church
specifically where I can go? And or

1879
02:49:11,239 --> 02:49:13,319
do you have any further reading that
you would recommend in the cards to that?

1880
02:49:15,319 --> 02:49:20,440
Are you Roman Catholic? No,
No, I'm actually Protestant. I'm

1881
02:49:22,239 --> 02:49:24,959
going to Orthodox Church. I'm going
to turn to the Orthodox Church for several

1882
02:49:26,040 --> 02:49:31,200
months now. And yeah, I
would say read something like read something like

1883
02:49:31,360 --> 02:49:37,120
Rock and Sand from Brother Deside Trent
or read uh. Doctor Clark Carlton has

1884
02:49:37,159 --> 02:49:43,120
a three part series addressing Catholicism and
Protestanism. Okay, all right, thanks

1885
02:49:43,120 --> 02:50:00,280
so much, Jeff. Good questions. Let's see who's next. Joseph mhm.

1886
02:50:00,920 --> 02:50:18,719
Just hit unmute, Joseph, unmute. You have the floor. If

1887
02:50:18,760 --> 02:50:24,319
you want to speak, if you
want to unmute. I think Joseph's having

1888
02:50:24,479 --> 02:50:33,120
some uh connectivity issues. It says
he's connected. It says he's connected.

1889
02:50:33,159 --> 02:50:43,639
He's just not unmuting. So Joseph, are you there all right? Reception

1890
02:50:43,879 --> 02:50:46,239
or something? Yeah, no,
it's it's said he was connected. You

1891
02:50:46,280 --> 02:50:48,000
can try, Joseph. Just come
out and come back in Big Texas.

1892
02:50:48,079 --> 02:51:05,399
What's up, Big Texas? Just
hit I mute. It says you're connected.

1893
02:51:05,440 --> 02:51:09,639
Do you have nightmares? By the
way, where like nobody will on

1894
02:51:09,760 --> 02:51:16,079
mute, I don't have to have
I don't have to have night I don't

1895
02:51:16,120 --> 02:51:18,959
have to have nightmares because it's not
a repressed fear. It's an experienced fear

1896
02:51:20,120 --> 02:51:26,440
every time we do it life.
Okay, all right, Oh, Shankar,

1897
02:51:26,719 --> 02:51:31,159
since he can't unmute, maybe now
everybody's having this problem. I don't

1898
02:51:31,159 --> 02:51:35,120
know. It could be an X
issue. I'm mute, dude. You're

1899
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:43,239
raising your hand, but you have
the microphone. Go ahead, Hello,

1900
02:51:46,040 --> 02:51:56,319
course, dude, what are you
talking about? Come on, Big Texas

1901
02:51:56,399 --> 02:52:03,559
on mute. You're raising your hand
on you Okay, just come out and

1902
02:52:03,559 --> 02:52:11,680
come back in man, try again. Okay, Sean car, do you

1903
02:52:11,719 --> 02:52:20,879
want to try again. Hello,
yes, sir, oh kay, what's

1904
02:52:20,920 --> 02:52:24,559
up? Man? What's on your
mam? That's how it's going. What

1905
02:52:24,719 --> 02:52:28,280
time is it? Really? Well? Uh, why do we need to

1906
02:52:28,319 --> 02:52:37,879
know that? Because way up you
can I can't hear it. What time

1907
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:43,440
is it? Jesus's three pm?
Extremely afternoon? All right, so not

1908
02:52:43,559 --> 02:52:48,479
a sane person. All right,
let's move on to mister Christo. What's

1909
02:52:48,600 --> 02:53:03,840
up? Did America's internet go down? The entire celsor Verizon go down?

1910
02:53:03,879 --> 02:53:07,319
What's going on? Like nobody can
connect? I hear everybody else. Okay

1911
02:53:07,559 --> 02:53:13,159
for the deacon and temple heard them, good, But it seems like everybody

1912
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:16,600
has a hard time connecting. So
I don't know what's going on. By

1913
02:53:16,639 --> 02:53:18,319
the way, so it's open for
him. If you want to come on

1914
02:53:18,440 --> 02:53:22,360
and ask a question, make an
argument, disagree, state your position,

1915
02:53:22,959 --> 02:53:26,520
tell me where I'm wrong, and
I will call you back to If you

1916
02:53:26,559 --> 02:53:31,239
don't answer, I reserve the right
on my platform to interrupt you and bring

1917
02:53:31,360 --> 02:53:35,479
you back to the point, so
you don't get to just ramble off forever

1918
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:39,319
on rad herrings and rabbit trails.
I will bring you back to the point.

1919
02:53:39,399 --> 02:53:41,280
That's how we do it around here. If you have a problem with

1920
02:53:41,360 --> 02:53:46,120
that, probably not the place for
you. So again, come back out,

1921
02:53:46,239 --> 02:53:52,440
come back in, mister whatever,
Lee, what's up? Boomer jokes,

1922
02:53:52,680 --> 02:54:01,639
that's a nice handle. You're unmuted
or unmute, I should say you're

1923
02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:09,200
you're connected, just unmute? Yes, sir, Hey, can you hear

1924
02:54:09,239 --> 02:54:11,559
me? Yeah? What's man?
So I was wondering. I had a

1925
02:54:11,600 --> 02:54:16,239
couple of questions. I'm trying to
get the history kind of squared off in

1926
02:54:16,319 --> 02:54:20,399
my head about what happened between Rome
and Orthodox and Byzantine Empire. I watched

1927
02:54:20,440 --> 02:54:26,120
that one documentary that you did,
the Rise and Fall of the Byzantine Empire.

1928
02:54:26,799 --> 02:54:30,959
That was pretty interesting. But that
I did you mean that I recommended?

1929
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:33,000
I didn't do it. Yeah,
that you recommended? Yeah, yeah,

1930
02:54:33,360 --> 02:54:35,760
okay. And I was wondering if
you read a book by Joseph P.

1931
02:54:37,079 --> 02:54:41,680
Ferrell. He works a lot with
the dark Journalist about the Venetian Vipers

1932
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:45,600
or the battle on banksters. I
know Ferrel. I've read a lot of

1933
02:54:45,639 --> 02:54:48,280
his books. I've not read that
one. It was pretty interesting. He

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02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:54,120
was talking about the origins of her
Meticism, and he agrees a lot with

1935
02:54:54,239 --> 02:54:58,879
you that it might have come from
ancient Egyptian philosophers, and I was just

1936
02:55:00,079 --> 02:55:01,879
wondering, like, yeah, well
Plato says that, yeah, yeah,

1937
02:55:03,319 --> 02:55:07,239
and I was just wondering what kind
of happened. I know, the phillyoquay

1938
02:55:07,440 --> 02:55:13,600
was one of the biggest reasons that
the Orthodox and rom split, but like,

1939
02:55:13,799 --> 02:55:18,159
historically, what was kind of happening
in that period, because I really

1940
02:55:18,280 --> 02:55:20,959
like to learn more about the historical
Yeah, a good introduction. A good

1941
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:26,719
introduction to the history is the Michael
Welton book Two Paths Gets, which gets

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02:55:26,760 --> 02:55:31,799
into exactly what was going on with
a lot of German kings, French kings

1943
02:55:33,760 --> 02:55:37,559
in ten eleven, twelve, thirteen
hundred that really wanted to control the papacy

1944
02:55:37,639 --> 02:55:43,520
and at one point Germanic kings installed
I think the pope for about one hundred

1945
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:46,840
years, so it was an entire
one hundred year period where you had a

1946
02:55:48,159 --> 02:55:54,200
papalocesserism, where the papacy was an
institution of Germanic kings. You also have

1947
02:55:54,360 --> 02:55:56,840
the period of the Frankish captivity of
the Church, or the Orthodox view is

1948
02:55:56,879 --> 02:56:03,959
that the Latin Church went into Franco
papal captivity post Charlemagne. You also see

1949
02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:11,840
this with the Borgia Alexandria, Pope
Alexander, the six and Medici popes.

1950
02:56:11,879 --> 02:56:16,760
That's another period of captivity to these
oligarchic type families, where again the papacy

1951
02:56:16,920 --> 02:56:22,360
is not this you know, independent
of geopolitics institution. It is in fact

1952
02:56:22,440 --> 02:56:28,639
a geopolitical state power. We saw
that in Dictatus Pope, which I was

1953
02:56:28,760 --> 02:56:33,920
highlighting in the first hour of the
stream. Again, this is the you

1954
02:56:33,000 --> 02:56:37,760
know, eleventh century or Growing Reforms
period, where the papacy is now above

1955
02:56:37,840 --> 02:56:43,319
all emperors and is basically a giant
world power. And that is not what

1956
02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:46,559
the church. In fact, the
Canons of the Church in the first seven

1957
02:56:46,639 --> 02:56:54,239
Councils forbid clerics from being in state
offices. And this is precisely saying that

1958
02:56:54,319 --> 02:56:58,920
the pope is actually the ultimate state
office. And again totally foreign, nothing

1959
02:56:58,159 --> 02:57:01,319
like this in the first thousand years
of the Church, and this is why

1960
02:57:01,360 --> 02:57:07,040
it was all based on forgeries.
Then once the forgeries got exposed, Rome

1961
02:57:07,120 --> 02:57:11,200
resorted more and more to evolving doctrine
to prove this stuff. So good question

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02:57:11,319 --> 02:57:16,079
there. You can check those things
out, blue blocker, what's up.

1963
02:57:26,440 --> 02:57:28,959
By the way, you can support
the stream via the super chats function.

1964
02:57:30,079 --> 02:57:35,440
You can send super chats via stream
Labs right here, and I will read

1965
02:57:35,479 --> 02:57:37,840
those right now. A couple of
the go ahead, blue blocker. What's

1966
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:46,600
up? I'm mute, Yeah,
can you hear me? Sir? Hey?

1967
02:57:46,760 --> 02:57:50,319
Thanks for well me give me your
give me your time. I had

1968
02:57:50,360 --> 02:57:54,600
a concern about the Bible, if
you wouldn't mind, sure is it is

1969
02:57:54,639 --> 02:58:05,319
it relevant to the topics today or
what? I just didn't I'm I'm non

1970
02:58:05,399 --> 02:58:11,040
denominational, So I just wondered what
I might get some insight on what the

1971
02:58:11,120 --> 02:58:20,399
church saw saw something. What's the
question it would be about in Revelation mhm,

1972
02:58:22,239 --> 02:58:26,879
where Jesus speaks to the seven churches, And I was wondering where or

1973
02:58:26,920 --> 02:58:35,360
what the Catholic understanding was, where
they fit in that or with that,

1974
02:58:35,799 --> 02:58:41,680
maybe the Roman Catholic understand understanding of
what exactly the seven churches of Revelation,

1975
02:58:45,799 --> 02:58:50,079
Yeah, and how it fits in
in the in that in that schematic of

1976
02:58:50,200 --> 02:58:56,440
what how Jesus spoke to them?
Well, I mean, I don't think

1977
02:58:56,520 --> 02:59:01,479
the Roman Catholic view has any specific
per perspective on what the meaning of the

1978
02:59:01,559 --> 02:59:07,639
seven churches is per se. I
mean they're for the Catholic or Orthodox.

1979
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:13,520
They're actually seven historic churches in Asia
Minor that for the Orthodox still exists,

1980
02:59:13,600 --> 02:59:16,079
right, the Church of Ethicism still
exists to this day. So no,

1981
02:59:16,280 --> 02:59:20,000
if you mean, like, are
they ages of the Church, Like a

1982
02:59:20,079 --> 02:59:22,559
lot of Protestants try to say,
no, we don't believe that they're not

1983
02:59:22,920 --> 02:59:26,799
seven eras of the Church. And
Rome doesn't correspond to the lukewarm Church or

1984
02:59:26,840 --> 02:59:35,159
whatever. That's a bunch of dispensation. Algibberchever Joseph, Hey, j,

1985
02:59:35,399 --> 02:59:43,200
I got a quick question for you. I'm trying to figure out why I've

1986
02:59:43,239 --> 02:59:48,079
been trying to figure this out for
like twenty years, why Roman Catholicism is

1987
02:59:48,159 --> 02:59:54,200
so attractive homosexuals, you know,
with a vocation to the preset. And

1988
02:59:56,000 --> 03:00:03,959
Richard Sipe was an ex priest.
He said that it was primarily mandatory celibacy.

1989
03:00:05,959 --> 03:00:09,680
And then but then I've heard like
and that I think that could be

1990
03:00:09,799 --> 03:00:13,680
it. A lot of the traditional
people will say, like, you know,

1991
03:00:15,159 --> 03:00:20,319
it's post Vatican too, Belladod was, you know, planting homosexuals in

1992
03:00:20,399 --> 03:00:24,040
the church stuff. But I think
it it goes further back than that.

1993
03:00:24,200 --> 03:00:28,319
I was wondering, let me just
throw this at your vero quick, and

1994
03:00:28,440 --> 03:00:31,840
I was wondering if what feather Deacon
thinks is it. I wonder if it

1995
03:00:31,840 --> 03:00:41,479
has to do with the different emphasis
in Catholicism on like an extreme form of

1996
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:46,760
suffering in penance that I guess you
could see like an inflagellation, and I

1997
03:00:46,200 --> 03:00:52,920
think that's attractive to gay men,
and you know Orthodoxy does not do that.

1998
03:00:54,040 --> 03:01:01,040
It's it's it's apostle centered faith on
the resurrection and illumination and not on

1999
03:01:01,159 --> 03:01:05,040
the stigma. So I mean,
I'm kind of wondering with what you think.

2000
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:09,319
Thanks jaferving need to Yeah, there
could be a deeper seat to drive

2001
03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:15,079
in that regard, but it also
could be people figuring out that hey,

2002
03:01:15,159 --> 03:01:18,159
that's networks where I can meet new
guys, right, I mean, couldn't

2003
03:01:18,200 --> 03:01:22,799
it also just be and also the
notion that there is this office of power

2004
03:01:24,639 --> 03:01:31,600
or authority that I will get.
I think ultimately Roman Catholicism's main central issue

2005
03:01:31,799 --> 03:01:35,799
is that it is a worship of
authority, so it's no longer about what's

2006
03:01:35,959 --> 03:01:39,440
true. In the last final analysis, I don't think that that doesn't mean

2007
03:01:39,479 --> 03:01:43,479
that every Roman Catholic is not concerned
with what's true. I think many of

2008
03:01:43,520 --> 03:01:50,319
them are. But the chief default, the chief defect in the system ultimately

2009
03:01:52,239 --> 03:01:56,079
is that it's a worship of authority
that requires the person to then do anything

2010
03:01:56,200 --> 03:02:01,840
possible to make the authority structure stay
there and stand up at all costs.

2011
03:02:01,600 --> 03:02:07,520
Authority worship though also I think affects
us in a psycho sexual way, where

2012
03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:11,239
we as human beings, the more
that we're falling and the more that we're

2013
03:02:11,280 --> 03:02:16,760
turned into more and more sort of
deviant ways of living or operating in terms

2014
03:02:16,799 --> 03:02:24,399
of human relations, people more and
more have their sexual drive turned into things

2015
03:02:24,639 --> 03:02:28,719
like BDSM type stuff. So they
and I'm saying that I think that's a

2016
03:02:28,840 --> 03:02:33,000
direct connect to the worship of authority
and this kind of wanting to be abused

2017
03:02:33,200 --> 03:02:37,120
by the daddy figure. I'm not
joking. I'm being absolute, one hundred

2018
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:39,760
percent serious. I think there is
something there to that, And in fact,

2019
03:02:39,879 --> 03:02:46,280
some of the people who left Roman
Catholicism famously were actually into this and

2020
03:02:46,399 --> 03:02:52,600
talked about this. In fact,
I think that who's the famous postmodernists always

2021
03:02:52,639 --> 03:02:56,520
go blank on him? Who became
who was gay was going to be a

2022
03:02:56,559 --> 03:03:03,520
priest? Left it, wrote all
the books on BDSM and the history of

2023
03:03:03,799 --> 03:03:07,600
sex in the West. Who's the
postmodern philosopher? I just went blank,

2024
03:03:07,639 --> 03:03:16,520
Father Deacon, do you don't talk
about fuco fu COO? I think talks

2025
03:03:16,520 --> 03:03:20,719
about this discipline and punishment, this
idea. I mean, does that not

2026
03:03:20,879 --> 03:03:24,479
echo the Roman Catholic attitude of penance, discipline and punishments. I mean,

2027
03:03:26,200 --> 03:03:33,760
I think there's absolutely something there.
What do you think about that, father

2028
03:03:33,799 --> 03:03:41,760
Deacon or either Yeah, I think
that's right too. And then I think

2029
03:03:41,799 --> 03:03:50,399
you already pointed this out to the
small you know, aquinas small state mistakes

2030
03:03:50,440 --> 03:03:56,440
in the beginning become large miss stakes
in the end. And I think even

2031
03:03:58,159 --> 03:04:05,479
kind of these kind of Manicheanism stuff
that enters in on you know, anthropology

2032
03:04:05,600 --> 03:04:16,200
and human sexuality, it's incorrect doctrine, and perversions, they fester, they

2033
03:04:16,319 --> 03:04:22,760
become you see them in other areas
too, So I imagine there's several points.

2034
03:04:24,040 --> 03:04:28,360
I do think that there's something with
the kind of incorrect notions of the

2035
03:04:28,479 --> 03:04:39,479
human sexual relation in this kind of
Augustinian Manicheanism, that the notions of supremacy

2036
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:45,319
in terms of authority and stuff like
that, all of that probably makes it

2037
03:04:45,520 --> 03:04:52,719
very ripe for these perversions to come
in, and also too the very ecclesiology

2038
03:04:54,799 --> 03:05:00,559
when bad things come in. If
it's all centralized power. Then it's almost

2039
03:05:00,680 --> 03:05:05,079
it's nearly impossible to remove errors and
perversions when they come in. And I

2040
03:05:05,159 --> 03:05:09,159
think that all kind of coalesce and
you get what you get. So it's

2041
03:05:09,200 --> 03:05:11,600
not an issue. Oh, we
just got a lavender mafia and bad guys

2042
03:05:11,639 --> 03:05:13,760
and we could just get rid of
them. It's like, no, you

2043
03:05:13,920 --> 03:05:18,760
have a systemic issue, is what
we've always been arguing. Well, somebody

2044
03:05:18,879 --> 03:05:22,959
was talking about self loathing loathing.
I agree with that. In fact,

2045
03:05:22,040 --> 03:05:30,040
yeah, self loathing could be the
So due to the desires that people are

2046
03:05:30,120 --> 03:05:35,799
experiencing and consenting to and whatnot,
the guilt becomes very heavy and they have

2047
03:05:35,920 --> 03:05:39,399
this sort of self loathing and that
creates this perpetual cycle where there's never healing.

2048
03:05:41,000 --> 03:05:46,840
There's only this sort of punishment guilt
payment attitude, which is precisely what

2049
03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:50,879
Fuco is talking about. I'm not
a fan of Fuco. I'm just saying

2050
03:05:50,959 --> 03:05:56,079
that when we were studying him in
my postmodernism classes in undergrad it was like,

2051
03:05:56,200 --> 03:06:00,719
wow, this actually does sound like
a lot of like Roman Catholic attitudes

2052
03:06:00,719 --> 03:06:05,040
towards like whipping yourself, flagellating yourself, right, I mean, that's kind

2053
03:06:05,079 --> 03:06:09,280
of what Fuco's reacting against and saying, look, rather than this weird,

2054
03:06:09,440 --> 03:06:16,760
repressive sexuality on the outside of Roman
Catholicism, in the Augustinian libido dominandi stuff

2055
03:06:18,079 --> 03:06:22,040
on the inside of Roman Catholicism.
Within there is this absolute just abuse and

2056
03:06:22,719 --> 03:06:26,559
you know, going crazy with it. So it's sort of like the it's

2057
03:06:26,639 --> 03:06:33,639
like the ultimate double mind right of
human sexuality. It's like Roman Catholics are

2058
03:06:33,760 --> 03:06:37,719
are double minded on their theology,
they're also double minded dealing with this contradiction

2059
03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:41,959
of their own natural drives and what's
I'm not saying that that, I'm saying

2060
03:06:43,239 --> 03:06:46,959
natural and unnatural drives, both the
hetero and the uh, what's considered unnatural

2061
03:06:48,040 --> 03:06:52,280
even in the Roman Catholic world.
Right, Those drives then produce the guilt,

2062
03:06:52,440 --> 03:06:58,959
which then produces the feedback loop which
produces the secret abuse. Yeah,

2063
03:07:00,120 --> 03:07:03,959
that way, So you engage in
a sin, you know you're disordered,

2064
03:07:03,079 --> 03:07:05,959
and you make a mistake, and
then rather than being like, oh,

2065
03:07:07,000 --> 03:07:13,040
I'm guilty, and you fall into
shame, and shame is where you lose.

2066
03:07:13,520 --> 03:07:20,159
You take your eyes off of Christ
and forgiveness and you punish yourself,

2067
03:07:20,399 --> 03:07:24,559
yes, and you shame yourself,
and then what that does is it weakens

2068
03:07:24,639 --> 03:07:30,760
you so that the only comfort is
to then re engage in the sin.

2069
03:07:31,200 --> 03:07:33,719
Well, remember, and abuse is
like this, they can't get out of

2070
03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:39,840
the cycle. And remember, Augustine
very clearly laid down the principles that would

2071
03:07:39,879 --> 03:07:46,079
be the normative until very recently in
Roman Catholic teaching, which was that you

2072
03:07:46,239 --> 03:07:50,719
cannot have sexual relations in marriage without
at least venial sin. Right, that's

2073
03:07:50,760 --> 03:07:54,120
Augustine's position. We critiqued it,
we've shown it, we demonstrated it many

2074
03:07:54,200 --> 03:07:58,120
times. It's part and parcel of
his dialectical view of man and willing.

2075
03:07:58,479 --> 03:08:03,239
He believed that you're either willing towards
God or towards creatures, and if you're

2076
03:08:03,280 --> 03:08:05,920
willing towards creatures, then you are
in some way involved in willing sin.

2077
03:08:07,399 --> 03:08:09,799
So it's in either or. It's
a dialectical right. He doesn't conceive the

2078
03:08:09,879 --> 03:08:13,520
possibility of many goods or willing many
goods, and this goes back to his

2079
03:08:13,639 --> 03:08:20,840
neoplatonic presuppositions. So if there's not
the possibility of willing different goods, then

2080
03:08:20,959 --> 03:08:24,319
marriage can't be a good and sex
can't be a created good without sin,

2081
03:08:24,440 --> 03:08:28,479
it's a sacrament. So he has
this weird position of it's a sacrament in

2082
03:08:28,559 --> 03:08:33,799
the church, but it's also necessarily
involving some degree of sin. Why is

2083
03:08:33,879 --> 03:08:39,440
that because of man's fallen libido dominandi
instinct? Libido dominandi, the will to

2084
03:08:39,639 --> 03:08:43,799
dominate, is also connected in him
to sexuality. So it's only natural than

2085
03:08:43,840 --> 03:08:48,840
in a church that accepted this for
a thousand plus years that they would have

2086
03:08:48,000 --> 03:08:54,239
a master slave weird view of scxuality, right, I mean, it's exactly

2087
03:08:54,319 --> 03:08:58,639
what is in libido dominandi. And
I haven't read Fuco at length. We

2088
03:08:58,719 --> 03:09:03,079
only read him in various actions,
but I would guarantee, I guarantee you

2089
03:09:03,239 --> 03:09:09,120
he probably goes into this in his
History of Sex and Punishment or whatever his

2090
03:09:09,440 --> 03:09:13,319
whole series is. I'm not going
to read four volumes of this creep.

2091
03:09:13,200 --> 03:09:24,600
Next up is Adam. What's up? He can you? Yeah, I've

2092
03:09:24,639 --> 03:09:28,079
got question. It's not directly related, but it's about natural theology, Okay,

2093
03:09:30,239 --> 03:09:33,239
Yeah, I was just thinking about
it with the result of the fact

2094
03:09:33,280 --> 03:09:39,760
that they in that system you can
never directly know God, not be that

2095
03:09:39,559 --> 03:09:43,760
you can't even actually have access to
truth in the end, I think so,

2096
03:09:43,879 --> 03:09:48,120
I mean, that's Palomas's argument against
Barlem as that would lead to atheism.

2097
03:09:48,200 --> 03:09:52,200
Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's
not just it's not just there's no

2098
03:09:52,280 --> 03:09:56,959
there's no grace or you don't have
access to God's grace or mass. It

2099
03:09:56,000 --> 03:10:00,840
would if you were consistent, if
you were consistent, it would lead to

2100
03:10:01,159 --> 03:10:05,399
the Enlightenment guy's conclusions. And in
fact, when you read the Enlightenment guys

2101
03:10:07,239 --> 03:10:11,799
like for example, John Locke,
when he critiques the sort of medieval tomistic

2102
03:10:11,920 --> 03:10:16,319
view, he actually makes this argument. He says that we really can't know

2103
03:10:16,920 --> 03:10:22,719
the transcendent or truth itself, we're
really only knowing what appears, what presents

2104
03:10:22,760 --> 03:10:26,760
itself to our senses, And he
actually discusses things like the medieval view of

2105
03:10:28,120 --> 03:10:33,000
modal collapse and divine simplicity. Right, So, I think you could actually

2106
03:10:33,040 --> 03:10:41,319
even show that in the Enlightenment philosophers
that touch on the classical arguments from Aquinas

2107
03:10:41,360 --> 03:10:45,360
and others, they're actually taking it
to a more consistent step and saying,

2108
03:10:45,399 --> 03:10:48,520
well, you know what, if
we can't actually know God himself, then

2109
03:10:48,600 --> 03:10:54,760
all of these transcendent principles also go
out the window. Yeah. Yeah,

2110
03:10:54,799 --> 03:11:00,319
it's like it destroys a whole epistemology
of the whole system. Absolutely that you'd

2111
03:11:00,319 --> 03:11:03,559
be able to reason up to God. Yeah, I have an old essay

2112
03:11:03,559 --> 03:11:09,040
where yeah, I have an old
essay where I critiqued. There's a contradiction

2113
03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:13,719
and Aquinas on this because he says, even natural revelation or natural theology,

2114
03:11:13,079 --> 03:11:18,239
the principles that you know of natural
theology, Aquinas thinks are actually grounded in

2115
03:11:18,319 --> 03:11:20,639
the divine mind. But you don't
have access to the divine mind because that's

2116
03:11:20,680 --> 03:11:26,399
the divine essence. So even the
thing that he grounds universals and uh,

2117
03:11:26,920 --> 03:11:31,120
natural natural theology in is something that
you don't have access to. In can't

2118
03:11:31,120 --> 03:11:35,799
ground exactly you need to. You're
supposed to be able to reason up,

2119
03:11:35,879 --> 03:11:41,159
but you can't ground. But you
can't ground the the coke to or whatever.

2120
03:11:41,719 --> 03:11:46,280
Because he's like, how he's supposed
to know truth anyway in the first

2121
03:11:46,319 --> 03:11:52,159
place, to ground your right.
So in Aquinas. In Aquinas, he

2122
03:11:52,319 --> 03:11:56,440
accepts the Aristotelian dictum of the peripatetic
axiom. There's nothing in the intellect that

2123
03:11:56,559 --> 03:12:01,760
is not first in the senses.
And so people like David Hume just simply

2124
03:12:01,840 --> 03:12:05,840
take that to its logical conclusions and
say things like, yeah, and teleology

2125
03:12:05,959 --> 03:12:11,559
is not in my senses cosmog the
cosmological argument is not in my senses.

2126
03:12:11,280 --> 03:12:16,280
The parapatetic axiom itself is not in
sense data, so therefore it's self refuting.

2127
03:12:18,600 --> 03:12:24,319
Yeah. Yeah, Also, I
mean, yeah, you'd need to.

2128
03:12:26,760 --> 03:12:28,639
I mean the source of truth,
God is supposed to be the source

2129
03:12:28,639 --> 03:12:33,000
of truth in their system. Also, I'm sure obviously, so I mean,

2130
03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:39,239
how how do you how do you
have the parapatetic axiom? I mean,

2131
03:12:39,479 --> 03:12:41,879
like, how do you how do
you just Well, they believe in

2132
03:12:41,920 --> 03:12:46,319
the fan foundationalists of pistemology, as
you saw from the Trent Horn debate.

2133
03:12:46,399 --> 03:12:48,040
They say, it's just just just
true, just self evident. Just is

2134
03:12:50,040 --> 03:12:52,559
Oh okay, then my position just
does And by the way, when you

2135
03:12:52,600 --> 03:13:00,159
say something just is just is what
mhmm. Yeah, But like the like,

2136
03:13:00,520 --> 03:13:03,680
how can you it's kind of his
circ obviously, isn't it because exactly?

2137
03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:09,959
And Trent said, sure, I'm
fine with that. Mhm. Like

2138
03:13:09,680 --> 03:13:15,200
you needs to he needs to start
with the parpestic axiom. But but then

2139
03:13:15,399 --> 03:13:20,840
that leads you to the to the
the result of of you know, of

2140
03:13:20,040 --> 03:13:26,440
proving God supposedly, but and and
and then you reason that all truth.

2141
03:13:26,000 --> 03:13:31,280
They claim that all truth is from
God well, they don't believe people belief

2142
03:13:31,319 --> 03:13:33,440
in God. You believe that you
start with the propestic axiom, as he

2143
03:13:33,479 --> 03:13:37,799
said, right, But keep in
mind when when Aquinas says proving God,

2144
03:13:37,879 --> 03:13:41,040
he doesn't mean it in the sense
of absolute proof proof. He believes it

2145
03:13:41,079 --> 03:13:43,840
in the sense of a high degree
of probability. So he thinks that you

2146
03:13:45,000 --> 03:13:48,520
he's an evidentialist, So he doesn't
actually believe that God's existence has proven because

2147
03:13:48,559 --> 03:13:52,559
that's a that's an element of faith. Right. But then so you can

2148
03:13:52,600 --> 03:13:56,399
say you can't prove God, but
God. But God is the source of

2149
03:13:56,479 --> 03:14:01,959
truth. So I mean, so
you can't really be like confident that you

2150
03:14:01,040 --> 03:14:07,120
have any truth ever at all.
Yeah, I mean that's why hundred percent

2151
03:14:07,200 --> 03:14:13,479
is still it's just going to be
probable in any case. Well, because

2152
03:14:13,520 --> 03:14:16,840
that's a it's a theological idea,
right, and theological ideas or have a

2153
03:14:16,920 --> 03:14:22,399
degree of you know, leap of
faith to them. So first principles are

2154
03:14:22,399 --> 03:14:24,319
absolutely certain, and those are science, those are the things of like you

2155
03:14:24,399 --> 03:14:31,639
know, Arisitelian logic and you know
natural theology. That's first principles. Then

2156
03:14:31,719 --> 03:14:35,239
you build on top of that when
you establish your first principles supernatural truths was

2157
03:14:35,280 --> 03:14:39,719
built on that, which are things
like the Trinity incarnation. But the doctors

2158
03:14:39,760 --> 03:14:46,040
the Trinity incarnation are not as foundational
and certain as the doctrines of First Principles.

2159
03:14:46,959 --> 03:14:50,559
Right, But if God is the
source of truth, then surely they

2160
03:14:50,719 --> 03:14:52,159
just they just have it. They
just have it backwards, you know.

2161
03:14:52,600 --> 03:14:58,120
Yeah, the proptestic vacciom would need
to come from God also, but then

2162
03:14:58,479 --> 03:15:01,479
they say that this prize is the
reason up to God. So yeah,

2163
03:15:01,479 --> 03:15:11,319
it's just obviously inconsistently correct. Yeah, a good question, thanks, Yeah,

2164
03:15:11,399 --> 03:15:22,319
great questions, Alex. What's up? Alex? All Right? My

2165
03:15:22,479 --> 03:15:28,600
next starting to hurt. So if
anybody's got a disagreement, Alex gotta unmute

2166
03:15:28,639 --> 03:15:39,360
man. All right, So we
got Jayson at ten dollars. Can you

2167
03:15:39,399 --> 03:15:43,040
help explain how the death penalty is
Orthodox? Uh? I think there's a

2168
03:15:43,079 --> 03:15:48,360
whole thing at the Russian Church Social
Statement. So if you go to mosspad

2169
03:15:48,399 --> 03:15:50,520
that ru there's a whole statement on
this. I think Father John Whitper has

2170
03:15:50,520 --> 03:15:54,639
written on it. Sneezy sneaed one
dollar. What coat will Catholics come up

2171
03:15:54,680 --> 03:16:00,399
with once they attempt to canonize Francis? All the same coaches that they use

2172
03:16:00,520 --> 03:16:03,000
when they canonized John Paul the Second, who engage in all kinds of the

2173
03:16:03,040 --> 03:16:09,479
same types of actions. Nicky lehn
yelle two dollars. Wouldn't surprise me if

2174
03:16:09,479 --> 03:16:13,120
they would eventually have a woman pope. Yeah, that would be a long

2175
03:16:13,200 --> 03:16:16,360
time coming. But yeah, it
starts with female acolytes, which the Romanchelly

2176
03:16:16,399 --> 03:16:20,159
Church already has in the novs Ordo. Then it moves to women deacons,

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then it moves to women priests.
Then you got opened, and then you

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got it. It's it's slippery slow, Then it's bishops, then it's lady

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pope. Uh double o, honeybee
ten dollars, Thank you so much,

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03:16:33,079 --> 03:16:39,840
CS ten dollars. I was an
Internet non denominational Protestant until with humility,

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I recently began searching the origins of
the church. I started attending a local

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Orthodox Paris three weeks ago. The
research that you've done is inspiring. Hey,

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thank you c us glad to hear
that, and God bless you on

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your journey. Bend over, young
liege one dollar. Who was Copernicus?

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03:16:54,000 --> 03:17:00,680
What were his ties and his beliefs? Why should we accept his model?

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I don't really get into Copernicus,
so I know he had a lot of

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03:17:05,079 --> 03:17:09,479
neoplatonic and alchemical influences. But I
don't really care. If a person questions,

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Copernicus h five dollars, can you
respond to the argument of Ernaus that

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every church has to be in union
with Rome? Yeah, So, in

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fact, what he says is is
that Rome is pre eminent because it's the

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church of Peter and Paul. So
he gives it a doubly apostolic status,

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which is the Orthodox view of Rome. Santa Arnaeus did not believe that Rome

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had unilateral infallible authority because he openly
wrote against and rejected the teaching of Pope

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Victor. So you can find that
if you read Denny's book Papalism, there's

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a whole chapter that deals with Eronaus. And you'll also keep in mind that

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Vatican one says that you cannot accept
the interpretation of Rome's status because of anything

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to do with Peter and Paul.
So it explicitly rejects the Orthodox and Iranaian

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understanding of Rome being doubly apostolic because
of Peter and Paul. So the very

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reasoning that irenask gives as to why
Rome is pre eminent is rejected by Roman

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Vatican one net infection five dollars.
Yeah, I wondered if there was local

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restrictions missing Orthodox churches in certain areas. Can Orthodox churches hold a liturgy in

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03:18:22,120 --> 03:18:26,079
a Catholic church? I don't think
so. I've never heard of this,

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03:18:26,360 --> 03:18:31,120
Father deacon, Do you know about
any canonical permission to have an Orthodox liturgy

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03:18:31,159 --> 03:18:43,479
in a Catholic church? There's no
restrictions. I mean, I've seen it

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03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:48,280
happen where people don't have buildings and
stuff like that. I've seen, so

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03:18:48,680 --> 03:18:52,000
it's probably better just to think about
it in terms of I'm using a building

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03:18:52,920 --> 03:18:58,079
rather than some type of Yeah,
well not an incumenous reasons. But my

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only question would be about the requirements
for like the altar and the relic,

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Like what if a Roman Catholic altar
doesn't have a relic or something. Yeah,

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I mean, I'm renting from Roman
Catholics, and there's the church isn't

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consecrated yet, so we had to
Now the Roman Catholics aren't using that,

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so it's a mission parish that Bishop
Maxim started, but it's not consecrated yet,

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and we basically had to kind of
redo the altar and make it look

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more Orthodox. But you might have, and I know people who are not

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in the same position. They're kind
of renting from Protestants or Roman Catholics,

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so you can't move anything, you
can't put relics in or anything like that.

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So they just got to make do
Okay, Yeah, I mean you

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can serve anywhere you have the antimates. Okay, Yeah, I didn't know.

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Basically I didn't know. Yeah.
BMX nineteen six dollars, great,

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awesome video and intro. Thank you, Thank you, BMX much appreciate sl

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03:20:03,760 --> 03:20:07,360
web seventy two ten dollars and with
your spirit, Thank you so much,

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03:20:07,559 --> 03:20:11,200
sl web and with your spirit as
well. Yak yak three dollars. Is

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03:20:11,200 --> 03:20:18,959
there any chance of an influx of
Skittles that will boaster the number to stem

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03:20:18,120 --> 03:20:26,399
the tides of those that are leaving? I don't think typically Skittles hot dog

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03:20:26,520 --> 03:20:30,360
people want to come to the Orthodox
Church for the most part, so I

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03:20:30,440 --> 03:20:37,479
don't anticipate an influx of them.
Traged Day five dollars. What about Satan

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03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:41,799
taking over the Vatican and the Pope, Well, even the trads themselves have

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this legend and this story going back
to you know, the accounts that I've

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03:20:46,840 --> 03:20:52,479
covered in when I covered Malachi Martin's
books that you know, the story of

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the smoke of Satan has entered the
Church of Rome right under Paul the Six

2231
03:20:56,600 --> 03:21:01,000
and all of that, right,
so you know, they have their own

2232
03:21:01,079 --> 03:21:07,840
kind of stories and rumors of this. I do think there have been actual,

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03:21:07,040 --> 03:21:13,000
you know Satanists in Rome. Father
Gabriel Imors for their famous Exorcists said

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the same thing. So you know, there are these networks, there are

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03:21:16,760 --> 03:21:22,040
these cults within the cult in Rome. There's the Saint Gollan mafia that does

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03:21:22,159 --> 03:21:28,479
exist. So I would say,
yeah, but it's not like this is

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03:21:28,639 --> 03:21:33,440
like this new thing. I think
we've really reached like the apex of the

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03:21:33,079 --> 03:21:39,479
revolution in Rome nowadays. But the
revolution has existed all You can go back

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to the Renaissance papacy and they had
all the same stuff going on. So

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and by the way, the Renaissance
papacy was doing Acumenus stuff. They were

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super mega perennialists at the time of
Pico della Mirandola and the Medici's and they

2242
03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:58,840
were all into this Acumenus stuff and
perennialism. And you can read about this

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03:21:58,280 --> 03:22:03,760
in Hoffman It's occult Renaissance Church of
Rome. So yeah, I think quote

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Satan took over a long time ago. That doesn't mean that everybody has been

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completely demonically possessed, but it means
that the institution has been subverted a long

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03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:16,799
time ago. And that's that's really
what the Orthodox position has said for the

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03:22:16,799 --> 03:22:26,920
whole time. Catholic man, what's
up, Catholic man? Just unmute cook.

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03:22:28,000 --> 03:22:37,680
Hi, It's just I'm associated with
the thought trods just Twitter orcan tried

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03:22:37,959 --> 03:22:46,600
tried and Latin Earth trads. Yeah, flat trods. Anyway, I just

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wanted to sort of you mentioned,
like a lot of your points about Catholicism

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03:22:52,200 --> 03:22:56,120
about the Modernists. I completely like, we completely agree, so I'll be

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03:22:56,319 --> 03:23:00,520
with the resistance position, which is
started to the rite of the SPX.

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03:23:01,639 --> 03:23:07,440
Essentially. I don't like when you
got to talking about the SSPX in their

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03:23:07,479 --> 03:23:09,440
position and not to defend them because
we don't agree with them, because we

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they partake with the Modernists to a
certain extent, and essentially, like the

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03:23:16,920 --> 03:23:20,239
only thing you mentioned was just kind
of ad harms in relation to kind of

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03:23:20,319 --> 03:23:24,319
abuse scandals, which can be found
pretty much anywhere anyway. Yeah, but

2258
03:23:24,399 --> 03:23:31,479
I've argued that's because that's because today's
discussion was not addressing the SSPX position.

2259
03:23:31,559 --> 03:23:37,479
We've addressed that specifically doctrinally in countless
live streams. But I'm happy to address

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03:23:37,559 --> 03:23:41,040
any argument of the SSPX or yourself
at this point. Okay, yeah,

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03:23:41,079 --> 03:23:43,600
I don't know. I totally accept
that. I mean, you wanted to

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03:23:43,639 --> 03:23:48,440
get on people from you know,
who are going to defend Pope Francis,

2263
03:23:48,479 --> 03:23:52,719
and that's fine. I just like
I agree with you. It's completely on

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03:23:52,959 --> 03:23:58,319
the like, you can't defend Pope
Francis. So and for us, you

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03:23:58,399 --> 03:24:01,600
know, Neomodernism, like the SSP
would sort of agree at this point.

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03:24:01,840 --> 03:24:07,040
Maybe still Neomodernism begound ifo A can
two when it defined explicit heresy. I

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03:24:07,159 --> 03:24:09,159
just wanted to also point out your
kind of position, which because a lot

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03:24:09,159 --> 03:24:13,159
of people mistakes what set of a
contest and we don't agree with seat of

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03:24:13,200 --> 03:24:16,159
a contest. Hey, let me, I mean, let me let you

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03:24:16,200 --> 03:24:18,120
know something. So I went to
the SSPX for seven or eight years,

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03:24:18,399 --> 03:24:22,520
so I'm very familiar. Okay,
all right, Okay, sorry I did

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03:24:22,600 --> 03:24:26,920
not know that. Yeah, and
so okay, well then, so,

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03:24:28,239 --> 03:24:35,200
so the chief issue here is that
the SSPX position is a rejection of Vatican

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03:24:35,319 --> 03:24:39,680
One in the four places where it
says that you must accept the ordinary teaching,

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03:24:39,200 --> 03:24:46,200
both magisterial and non magisterial ordinary teaching
from Rome. Yeah. So so

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03:24:46,440 --> 03:24:52,399
for us, you know the because
your your crucial point is you know,

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03:24:52,479 --> 03:24:56,559
the you know, the physies in
with what you're saying about the papacies just

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03:24:56,639 --> 03:24:58,280
by no one? Okay, so
hold on, did you hear what I

2279
03:24:58,360 --> 03:25:03,479
just said though? Yeah? So
the for us there is a distinction between

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the ordinary and the extraordinary magisterium.
I mean, hold on, what does

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03:25:07,479 --> 03:25:16,399
Vatican one say about the ordinary magistrate? Okay, so the pacing the Vatican

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03:25:16,440 --> 03:25:20,920
One just SAIDs to define simply that
there is such thing as extraordinary, as

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03:25:20,239 --> 03:25:30,440
such thing as infallibility. But you
know, no, false, I have

2284
03:25:30,559 --> 03:25:33,479
it pulled up right here. It
is not just saying that there's infallible teaching.

2285
03:25:33,879 --> 03:25:39,799
It explicitly says that you must submit
to the extraordinary magisterium and the ordinary

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03:25:39,879 --> 03:25:46,799
magisterial teaching of the Pope and the
bishops. Sure, but it doesn't define

2287
03:25:46,840 --> 03:25:52,719
the ordinary magisterian Yes it does as
what Yes, it does, Yes it

2288
03:25:52,799 --> 03:25:56,280
does. That is that is why
that's why you're in schism. Do you

2289
03:25:56,360 --> 03:26:00,280
mean to read it to you?
See the question right so here's saying.

2290
03:26:00,360 --> 03:26:03,200
Yeah, no, it's okay.
I mean, we have these debates.

2291
03:26:03,120 --> 03:26:05,719
So what you don't want to hear
what Batican one actually says? You want

2292
03:26:05,760 --> 03:26:07,639
me to not do that? I
mean, that's something I don't want to

2293
03:26:07,680 --> 03:26:13,159
I like, like, I don't
think you know what it says? Okay,

2294
03:26:13,239 --> 03:26:16,920
but I do. But what does
it say? What does this in

2295
03:26:16,959 --> 03:26:20,120
front of me? I have it
in front of me, I have it,

2296
03:26:20,280 --> 03:26:22,280
I have it. What does it
say? Okay, Well then you

2297
03:26:22,399 --> 03:26:24,719
you're going to read that obviously,
Now will you tell me what it says?

2298
03:26:24,719 --> 03:26:28,879
You said, you know what it
says, not by heart? But

2299
03:26:28,280 --> 03:26:33,040
well no, wait a minute.
So does it teach that the ordinary magistrum

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03:26:33,200 --> 03:26:37,159
is protected by the charism of here
or not? Yeah, but it's not

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03:26:37,399 --> 03:26:43,840
in the same sense as as it's
not in the same sense as protect It

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03:26:43,920 --> 03:26:48,280
doesn't matter if it's of course,
it's not the same thing. It is

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03:26:48,440 --> 03:26:52,760
protected in the exact same sense.
Kay, okay, But okay, so

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03:26:52,559 --> 03:26:56,360
you want me to read it,
let's just read it. Whereby divine and

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03:26:56,440 --> 03:26:58,559
Catholic faith, all things are to
be believed which are contained in the Word

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03:26:58,600 --> 03:27:03,040
of God, has found in scripture
and tradition and which is proposed by the

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03:27:03,159 --> 03:27:07,680
Church as matters to be divinely relieved, whether by solemn ordinary judgment or by

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03:27:07,799 --> 03:27:13,680
the universal Ordinary magistrum. Now,
okay, that's not the only statement.

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03:27:16,360 --> 03:27:22,879
Okay. So the main issue for
us is that the majority theologians and this

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03:27:22,000 --> 03:27:26,319
is where set of const is running
against us. And so it was interesting

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03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:31,280
that you did remark how Orthodoxy a
similar set of contism, and I actually

2312
03:27:31,360 --> 03:27:33,760
kind of agree. There is a
lot of tendencies there. The issue is

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03:27:33,879 --> 03:27:39,840
fundamentally we can see the majority theologians
have clearly shown that there is a possibility

2314
03:27:39,879 --> 03:27:43,280
of a heradical pope. No,
that doesn't matter because that's prior to Vatican

2315
03:27:43,360 --> 03:27:48,959
one. Well, I know that's
the common response is the Roman Catholic Church

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03:27:48,079 --> 03:27:54,639
defined by the majority of Catholic opinions
or by the papal dogmas. So for

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03:27:54,840 --> 03:27:58,000
us, there has never been a
hit. Have you read Vatican I don't

2318
03:27:58,000 --> 03:28:01,479
think you've actually read about it one
I have. Okay, hold on,

2319
03:28:01,719 --> 03:28:05,799
so what does it say about successors
until the end of the world. Like

2320
03:28:05,920 --> 03:28:09,159
I don't have a photographic memory.
I have it in front of me.

2321
03:28:09,239 --> 03:28:11,200
It's not that long. I can
tell you what it says. About successors

2322
03:28:11,239 --> 03:28:13,879
to So does it teach that there's
successors to the end of the world.

2323
03:28:15,399 --> 03:28:18,159
I have no issue in letting you
speak, but I just want to make

2324
03:28:18,200 --> 03:28:20,280
it preally simple point. I'm trying
to be quick because I understand platform you're

2325
03:28:20,319 --> 03:28:22,959
about to get booted because you're not
going to answer the questions. This is

2326
03:28:22,959 --> 03:28:26,200
what some people say, you're just
interrupting. No, no, I want

2327
03:28:26,239 --> 03:28:28,799
you to answer the questions. Does
Vatican one teacher? There were? So

2328
03:28:28,879 --> 03:28:31,639
you're not gonna see you disinterrupted.
You're not going to answer these questions.

2329
03:28:31,719 --> 03:28:33,159
You say, I don't have it
in front of me, but I got

2330
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:35,799
it right in front of me to
read it for you. Would you like

2331
03:28:35,879 --> 03:28:37,159
me to read it for you?
Yeah? Cool head. But I was

2332
03:28:37,200 --> 03:28:41,520
about to make a point. But
anyway you make cures, okay. So

2333
03:28:41,639 --> 03:28:46,559
the point was is very simple,
is that the argue I was responding to

2334
03:28:46,639 --> 03:28:48,799
what you just said. Okay,
I just what you said. You said,

2335
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:52,360
here we go, So, yeah, not going to talk about the

2336
03:28:52,399 --> 03:28:56,079
issues going off into this that you
said this that what what is Vatican one

2337
03:28:56,120 --> 03:29:00,399
teach? Is it not clear before
Vatican one? Okay? So I said

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03:29:00,680 --> 03:29:09,280
the majority in order to understand exactly
what the council Vadican one actually means in

2339
03:29:09,680 --> 03:29:13,639
a lot of the things when I
say, except that an economic ecumenical council

2340
03:29:13,760 --> 03:29:18,639
is not going to define something that
went against that goes against the majority position.

2341
03:29:18,760 --> 03:29:22,959
Of course it can that the majority
has nothing to do with whether this

2342
03:29:22,120 --> 03:29:28,280
is a ridiculous argument, the authority
the infallible. Trump's the fallible. You

2343
03:29:28,360 --> 03:29:31,319
don't believe in it. It's not
a democratic church where it's determined by the

2344
03:29:31,399 --> 03:29:37,280
majority opinion. Of course it can
define something contrary to the majority, but

2345
03:29:39,200 --> 03:29:43,120
speak this was retarded. I just
don't have the patience for this stupid ship

2346
03:29:43,159 --> 03:29:48,040
anymore. Flat Earth trads good luck. No. In fact, the Roman

2347
03:29:48,079 --> 03:29:54,120
Caloary Church is very clear about it
can one that there are there are successors

2348
03:29:54,360 --> 03:30:09,440
until the end of the world to
the office of Peter. The Church militant

2349
03:30:09,479 --> 03:30:16,040
would be the Son of God provided
for the Church militant unto the end of

2350
03:30:16,159 --> 03:30:41,360
the world. Notice that that's at
the beginning there of Constitution three. The

2351
03:30:41,479 --> 03:30:52,000
Roman pontiff has a worldwide premissy that
succeeds the office of Peter. That Peter

2352
03:30:52,159 --> 03:30:56,760
is given to govern the entire church
throughout the entire world, throughout the whole

2353
03:30:56,799 --> 03:31:01,079
world, the fullness of the whole
world. Mhm, scattered throughout the world.

2354
03:31:03,079 --> 03:31:07,159
Where's the statement till the end of
the world's let's see, maybe it's

2355
03:31:07,239 --> 03:31:33,879
return. Where's the statement about is
it return of Christ or the end of

2356
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:37,440
the ages? That's it? End
of the ages? I gotta remember the

2357
03:31:37,479 --> 03:31:46,120
phraseology of it. No, that's
not it. There's the where's the statement

2358
03:31:46,159 --> 03:31:52,440
where he says that the Roman pontiff
would have successors in the seat in the

2359
03:31:52,760 --> 03:31:56,239
chair of room to the end of
the age or to the return of our

2360
03:31:56,319 --> 03:32:07,760
Lord. It's something like that.
Right, does anybody in the chat remember

2361
03:32:07,840 --> 03:32:16,120
this? So here's the statement that
you have to believe as divinely revealed both

2362
03:32:16,200 --> 03:32:20,879
the extraordinary and the ordinary magisterium.
Right, that can't err? Which I

2363
03:32:22,159 --> 03:32:24,520
was trying to say that they're different. That's not true. They're different.

2364
03:32:24,600 --> 03:32:28,440
That doesn't mean that they're that one
of them can err. And then the

2365
03:32:28,520 --> 03:32:31,399
statement about the successors to the end, let's see successors. That's the way

2366
03:32:31,440 --> 03:32:41,520
to find it. I think it's
so let's see, we'll read this or

2367
03:32:43,319 --> 03:32:46,920
Lord Jesus Christ, Prince the Shepherds
established Peter, the continual salvation and the

2368
03:32:46,959 --> 03:32:52,440
permanent benefit of the Church. The
office of Peter is of temporary or permanent

2369
03:32:52,559 --> 03:32:58,280
benefit. It must have necessity here
it is remain forever until the end of

2370
03:32:58,360 --> 03:33:03,200
time. That's what I was looking
for. Chapter two, Table of contents.

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03:33:03,639 --> 03:33:07,760
Chapter two. Right here the permanence
of Peter. This is what ultimately

2372
03:33:07,879 --> 03:33:13,079
destroys the SSPX and set of a
constiest positions, because number one, the

2373
03:33:13,360 --> 03:33:20,360
set of a conscious position is destroyed
by the argument that you can reject the

2374
03:33:20,520 --> 03:33:26,600
ordinary teaching of the church. The
set of the SSPX rejects both all of

2375
03:33:26,680 --> 03:33:31,879
the post Vatican two papal teaching,
which is full of ordinary teaching, magisterial

2376
03:33:31,959 --> 03:33:37,280
and non magisterial. And they reject
the Ecumenical Council known as Vatican two,

2377
03:33:37,600 --> 03:33:41,399
which is on faith and morals for
the entire church from the see of Peter.

2378
03:33:41,680 --> 03:33:46,120
That's all that's necessary to make it
binding on you in the Roman Ceolic

2379
03:33:46,200 --> 03:33:50,200
Church, and they reject that.
Therefore their position is fundamentally schismatic. They

2380
03:33:50,280 --> 03:33:56,440
reject also Canonie saints like John Paul
the Second. You can't reject Canoni saints

2381
03:33:56,479 --> 03:33:58,840
in the Roman Catholic system, because
if you can, you can now conceive

2382
03:34:00,040 --> 03:34:03,559
we reject all of them. But
let's read this key point. Vatican One's

2383
03:34:03,639 --> 03:34:09,760
very clear. The Prince of shepherds
has provided shepherds until the end of time.

2384
03:34:11,159 --> 03:34:13,520
This is for the permanent benefit of
the Church, and it must have

2385
03:34:13,680 --> 03:34:18,639
necessity remain in the church. No
seventy eighty year, one hundred year vacancy,

2386
03:34:20,000 --> 03:34:22,719
sorry, set of a contest doesn't
exist. In Vatican one. No

2387
03:34:22,840 --> 03:34:28,399
one can be in doubt that in
every age Peter was the head and had

2388
03:34:28,479 --> 03:34:35,559
the keys, and was the foundation
of the Catholic Church. Therefore, whoever

2389
03:34:35,719 --> 03:34:41,079
succeeds Peter has this office over the
whole church. That means Francis has that

2390
03:34:41,200 --> 03:34:46,280
office. There's no such thing anymore
as a heretical pope. Prior to Vatican

2391
03:34:46,319 --> 03:34:50,600
one, there's all kinds of Romancolic
positions that doubted whether you could have a

2392
03:34:50,680 --> 03:34:56,360
heretical pope. Sorry, not after
Vatican one. So when you cite visions

2393
03:34:56,520 --> 03:35:01,360
like las Lette las lett is prior
to Vatican one one. So when Laslette

2394
03:35:01,399 --> 03:35:05,239
says that Rome will apostatize and become
the seat of Antichrist, that is trumped

2395
03:35:05,280 --> 03:35:09,920
by Vatican one, which says that
Rome will forever be the Charipeter, it

2396
03:35:11,000 --> 03:35:13,879
will ever preserve in the rock like
strength which has had and it will never

2397
03:35:13,959 --> 03:35:18,120
apostatize to the end of the world, to the return of Christ. And

2398
03:35:18,200 --> 03:35:22,559
all the people who say that it
can reject their own counsel. They reject

2399
03:35:22,600 --> 03:35:28,399
Vatican one right here. In fact, it's an essential element of the Church.

2400
03:35:28,399 --> 03:35:31,680
So for one holy Catholic and Apostolic, the four marks of the Church

2401
03:35:31,879 --> 03:35:39,239
as per Vatican one, to deny
Francis and Rome that position would be to

2402
03:35:39,399 --> 03:35:43,440
deny the marks of the Church in
your church's view, in your church's dogma

2403
03:35:43,559 --> 03:35:48,319
of what the marks of the Church
are as per Vatican one. Roman Catholics

2404
03:35:48,479 --> 03:35:52,600
go read Vatican one and don't sit
there and lie to me and tell me

2405
03:35:52,680 --> 03:35:56,399
that it's not actually saying that that
there will be successors to the end of

2406
03:35:56,440 --> 03:36:01,920
the world, or that I actually
have to follow the ordinary teacher. Everybody

2407
03:36:01,959 --> 03:36:05,920
in the Roman Catholic world that goes
to a novasorto church is told that you

2408
03:36:05,040 --> 03:36:09,879
have to accept Vatican two. That
alone tells you that it's the universal teaching

2409
03:36:11,239 --> 03:36:16,319
of the Romancolic Church. Everyone in
communion with Francis, which is what defines

2410
03:36:16,680 --> 03:36:22,200
Roman Catholicism, tells you you have
to accept Vatican two. There are no

2411
03:36:22,680 --> 03:36:28,159
Roman Catholic in communion with Francis churches
except the SSPX, which are in a

2412
03:36:28,280 --> 03:36:37,719
schismatic contradictory position. And by the
way, you're never going to get a

2413
03:36:37,719 --> 03:36:43,600
conservative hope again. All of the
cardinals that elect the pope are Libs.

2414
03:36:43,479 --> 03:36:48,719
You're not going to get a magical, mystical trad pope out of that horde

2415
03:36:48,719 --> 03:37:01,680
of goblins that crime syndicate. You're
deluding yourself, Dan, what's up?

2416
03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:13,719
Dan? Perpetual Successors, perpetual to
the end of time, Perpetual, perpetual

2417
03:37:13,799 --> 03:37:18,840
to the end of time, Perpetual
Successors to the end of Time, Perpetual

2418
03:37:18,920 --> 03:37:24,799
Successors to the end of time,
Vatican one, Perpetual Successors to the end

2419
03:37:24,879 --> 03:37:31,600
of Time, Vatican one, Perpetual
Successors to the end of Time. Vatican

2420
03:37:31,680 --> 03:37:39,680
one, Perpetual Successors to the end
of Time, Vatican one. Do you

2421
03:37:39,760 --> 03:37:46,760
blockheads? Hear me? Did you
want to talk? What is the use

2422
03:37:46,799 --> 03:37:50,760
of mean? No? I get
heated over this stuff, and I don't

2423
03:37:50,959 --> 03:37:54,680
I kids can't tolerate the casustri and
the deflections and the lying, and it

2424
03:37:54,799 --> 03:38:00,399
just gets old, especially I've dealt
with this for so many years. Random

2425
03:38:00,440 --> 03:38:05,079
here one dollar in the Diocese of
Serbia. They have kissed the Pope's hand.

2426
03:38:05,159 --> 03:38:07,639
Yeah, I don't have a problem
saying that they're all wrong. That's

2427
03:38:07,680 --> 03:38:11,760
wrong, that's a scandal. AC
ten dollars, Thank you so much.

2428
03:38:11,799 --> 03:38:18,760
AC. Did you want to talk
dude on mute? What's up? Yes,

2429
03:38:18,840 --> 03:38:24,440
sir, I've been listening to you
for a while, listening to a

2430
03:38:24,479 --> 03:38:28,680
couple of videos last night. I'm
a Protestant by the way, so sorry

2431
03:38:28,719 --> 03:38:35,760
about that, but dragging my sheet
on becoming a catechumen. But the church

2432
03:38:35,040 --> 03:38:41,079
nearest to me, which I actually
like, is Antiochian. And my question

2433
03:38:41,280 --> 03:38:46,879
is more, I was listening to
debate with you and Eric Kubara that you

2434
03:38:46,200 --> 03:38:50,680
I mean, you referenced it quite
a bit and you're opening uh talks this

2435
03:38:50,799 --> 03:38:58,719
one. But he asked you at
one point when did you join the orthoch

2436
03:38:58,840 --> 03:39:01,719
Church? And just I think his
point was to say, like, did

2437
03:39:01,799 --> 03:39:05,959
you join when Curial and whoever had
kind of falling out? But the question

2438
03:39:07,200 --> 03:39:16,479
is you mentioned today that Bartholomew is
kind of aligning with the pope? Sure?

2439
03:39:16,559 --> 03:39:20,559
Is that what he said? Sure? And so I know that you

2440
03:39:20,639 --> 03:39:24,760
mentioned there like now you're in roal
corps. Is that right? I've been

2441
03:39:24,799 --> 03:39:28,440
in rocor for about four years.
So it's not now that I mean that

2442
03:39:28,639 --> 03:39:31,760
that debate was like that was debate
was like almost five years ago. Dude,

2443
03:39:33,799 --> 03:39:35,479
I'm new. Okay, well I
didn't. I didn't. I didn't

2444
03:39:35,600 --> 03:39:39,799
flee from Antioch to ro Corps when
I moved. When I moved, My

2445
03:39:39,000 --> 03:39:45,040
question is just my question is,
like you mentioned today about bo when I

2446
03:39:45,200 --> 03:39:50,239
moved, can I explain something?
Sure? So when I moved, the

2447
03:39:50,479 --> 03:39:54,520
Antiochian church near me here was all
Arab speaking, and it was not really

2448
03:39:54,920 --> 03:39:58,760
what I was looking for. So
the church that I found where I gibed

2449
03:39:58,760 --> 03:40:03,360
would the priest here was rokorp.
I can go to an Antiochian church.

2450
03:40:03,440 --> 03:40:07,440
I'm not banned from the Antio.
I didn't leave the Antiochian Church. Some

2451
03:40:07,479 --> 03:40:09,760
of these traps have just made up
a bunch of lives about this kind of

2452
03:40:09,799 --> 03:40:15,639
stuff. So that's fine. My
questions for myself and like going so with

2453
03:40:15,840 --> 03:40:20,399
Bartholomew aligning with the pope, and
that's kind of like lining up that way?

2454
03:40:20,559 --> 03:40:26,600
Is I mean, would you say, can you explain to me kind

2455
03:40:26,680 --> 03:40:33,360
of like the lineup is like Antiochian
is in line with Bartholomew and then no,

2456
03:40:33,520 --> 03:40:35,719
I don't think most of it.
Most of the Antiochians are not in

2457
03:40:35,840 --> 03:40:41,600
line with Bartholi. Okay, gotcha, So like Antiochia would be fine.

2458
03:40:41,799 --> 03:40:46,040
Still too well, there's no perfect
jurisdictions and every one of them can have

2459
03:40:46,200 --> 03:40:50,319
problems. Because again the argument is
not, I know you're not saying this,

2460
03:40:50,399 --> 03:40:52,239
but the argument is not the Romanclloic
Church has problems and we don't have

2461
03:40:52,280 --> 03:40:56,639
problems. Right. Every time Loten
responds, he actually, that's what we're

2462
03:40:56,680 --> 03:41:03,000
saying. Systemic level problems in contray
addictions of dogma is different than saying that,

2463
03:41:03,280 --> 03:41:05,600
yes, we have liberal corrupt bishops
and priests like you do. Yeah,

2464
03:41:05,639 --> 03:41:09,879
we agree with that. That's not
the argument. But when it comes

2465
03:41:09,879 --> 03:41:13,760
to within the Orthodox world, the
problems are there's some overlap with problems that

2466
03:41:13,840 --> 03:41:18,680
Roman Catholic side with just liberal stuff, but we have a lot of unique

2467
03:41:18,719 --> 03:41:22,360
problems that are not the problems of
the Roman Catholic world. So the jurisdictional

2468
03:41:22,479 --> 03:41:26,719
issues are a totally different ballgame than
what you would typically find in the Roman

2469
03:41:26,799 --> 03:41:31,879
Catholic world, although there are some
parallels with all the different Roman Catholic acronym

2470
03:41:31,959 --> 03:41:39,840
groups like SSPX or whatever, but
the tendency is that some of the jurisdictions

2471
03:41:39,879 --> 03:41:43,719
are more liberal, like the Greeks
in America, but you can find liberal

2472
03:41:45,639 --> 03:41:48,399
jurisdictions in any of them, or
liberal churches and in the jurisdiction. So

2473
03:41:48,840 --> 03:41:52,520
it's just going to have to be
a case by case basis. Is that's

2474
03:41:52,559 --> 03:41:56,399
a better approach in Orthodoxy than trying
to say, oh, are the Antiochians

2475
03:41:56,440 --> 03:42:01,159
the non liberal jurisdiction. It doesn't
work that way. All the jurisdictions are

2476
03:42:01,200 --> 03:42:05,319
full of human beings. So you
know, for example, ro Corps was

2477
03:42:05,399 --> 03:42:09,799
the least locked down jurisdiction, but
that doesn't mean that there were no liberals

2478
03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:16,920
amongst ro Corps. Gosha, Okay, I have a second question, if

2479
03:42:16,959 --> 03:42:24,319
that's fine. Yeah, this is
more about I heard you on one call

2480
03:42:26,399 --> 03:42:30,920
and this won't have to do with
it is more about councils and origin.

2481
03:42:31,120 --> 03:42:33,159
If that's fine, Yeah, I
can, I can table it if you

2482
03:42:33,239 --> 03:42:39,959
want, go ahead. It's more
it's probably my Protestant perspective, and it's

2483
03:42:41,040 --> 03:42:45,120
just a question like I have no
opinion about this, but so from what

2484
03:42:45,440 --> 03:42:48,600
I've run on origin, he lived
from like the one fifties and did the

2485
03:42:48,680 --> 03:42:54,479
two hundreds? Is that right?
Uh? Huh, and then Epiphanius am

2486
03:42:54,520 --> 03:42:58,520
I saying that right was the one
who seemed to initially take real issue with

2487
03:42:58,680 --> 03:43:03,200
him, like in his teachings.
Uh, well, Saint Optatus, did

2488
03:43:03,360 --> 03:43:05,719
I mean he was one of the
first to call him a heretic and then

2489
03:43:07,000 --> 03:43:13,799
local synods condemned him at that time? Rare? Is it? I mean?

2490
03:43:13,879 --> 03:43:22,360
I guess I'm I'm wondering this is
all opinion, But was it heavy

2491
03:43:22,479 --> 03:43:28,200
handed to because I read I read
something like Origin was condemned as a heretic

2492
03:43:28,319 --> 03:43:31,079
after he had already died, and
like that was weird or something. Well,

2493
03:43:31,120 --> 03:43:35,200
he was condemned. He was condemned
by some synods when he was alive

2494
03:43:35,280 --> 03:43:39,360
as a heretic, and he was
subsequently condemned after he died as a heretic,

2495
03:43:39,559 --> 03:43:45,079
multiple times over by three ecumenical councils. Gotcha, and he does te

2496
03:43:45,200 --> 03:43:52,000
cherrasee. So he's he teaches crazy
stuff, didn't he? Also he like

2497
03:43:52,280 --> 03:43:58,040
kind of four run some good stuff. Yeah, but it doesn't like it's

2498
03:43:58,079 --> 03:44:01,200
not a scale of like, well, if you have fifty percent good theology

2499
03:44:01,319 --> 03:44:05,159
and fifty percent heresy will cut you. It doesn't work like that. So

2500
03:44:05,319 --> 03:44:09,360
it depends on what the heresy is
and what you were teaching. I mean,

2501
03:44:09,520 --> 03:44:15,399
Origin is condemned specifically in the six
Ecumenical Council in a four page condemnation

2502
03:44:15,879 --> 03:44:20,639
of the entirety of his neoplatonic system. So he teaches a neoplatonic eternal world's

2503
03:44:20,719 --> 03:44:26,840
model of universal restoration and eternal cycles. That's completely crazy and completely rejected.

2504
03:44:28,319 --> 03:44:31,200
Is that not because I don't know, I'm dissasking? Is that not?

2505
03:44:31,120 --> 03:44:35,879
I read that like the Cappadocian fathers
also, or at least one of them,

2506
03:44:37,159 --> 03:44:41,920
had some sort of universal everybody.
So Saint Gregory of Nissa had the

2507
03:44:41,959 --> 03:44:46,719
opinion of a pocketstasis, but he
did not teach subordinationism. He did not

2508
03:44:46,840 --> 03:44:50,280
teach all the things that Origin later
taught. So we don't believe that Church

2509
03:44:50,360 --> 03:44:56,040
fathers are infallible, but there is
a standard by which you can go too

2510
03:44:56,120 --> 03:45:00,399
far. And so the Church deemed
Origins heresies to be so far that they

2511
03:45:00,719 --> 03:45:05,639
compromise the fundamentals of Christianity, such
as the incarnation and such as the what

2512
03:45:05,760 --> 03:45:11,959
happens in the escaton? Go okay, thanks, yeah, good questions.

2513
03:45:11,479 --> 03:45:15,959
So to the Roman Catholics who are
doing the what about isms and their favorite

2514
03:45:16,120 --> 03:45:20,079
good go to. You've got your
church loves divorce. Your church loves divorce.

2515
03:45:20,520 --> 03:45:24,559
Oh, I could do whatever I
want again, do you understand that

2516
03:45:26,040 --> 03:45:31,440
your own church accepted the Canons of
Saint Basil from the East for centuries?

2517
03:45:31,959 --> 03:45:37,719
So you don't even recognize your own
contradictions and hypocrisy on this issue. And

2518
03:45:37,959 --> 03:45:41,600
UBI made an entire documentary for you
to help you out on this instead of

2519
03:45:41,719 --> 03:45:46,920
your incessant one liners and spamming this
stupid crap every time you come on here.

2520
03:45:50,559 --> 03:46:16,399
Joseph, what's up, Joseph?
I'm you Henry, So I guess

2521
03:46:16,399 --> 03:46:20,680
everybody has a hard time connecting.
Go ahead, sir, thanks for answering

2522
03:46:20,760 --> 03:46:24,760
my call. I got a question. So I'm Orthodox, and I always

2523
03:46:24,799 --> 03:46:30,600
hear about you know, Padre Pio
and his his hand thing is stigmanic.

2524
03:46:31,239 --> 03:46:35,200
Would you say that is demonic?
It's either it's either demonic or it's a

2525
03:46:37,319 --> 03:46:39,760
fraud or a scam. Yeah,
that's what I was thinking of fraud.

2526
03:46:41,120 --> 03:46:45,719
But also, what's up with the
Catholic Uh why is roses like a holy

2527
03:46:45,840 --> 03:46:50,920
thing? I always I always see
like roses being in association with uh,

2528
03:46:52,559 --> 03:46:54,360
well, they're always talking about Mary. Yeah, that's a good question.

2529
03:46:54,360 --> 03:46:58,760
I don't know actually know the history
of that connection to Mary. I don't

2530
03:46:58,799 --> 03:47:03,479
know. Yeah, I'm not sure
either, but uh thanks thanks Jay,

2531
03:47:03,479 --> 03:47:07,079
I appreciate your work. Yeah,
good question. I'm sure somebody could tell

2532
03:47:07,159 --> 03:47:24,440
us what Marion Roses are all about. Alex, what's up? Alex?

2533
03:47:31,159 --> 03:47:33,319
Are you there? I mean you
requested to speak? Do you want to

2534
03:47:33,319 --> 03:47:41,280
speak? All right? Whatever?
Uh? AC ten dollars, Thank you

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uth? Lee? Did you accept
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right, there's a there's a little
bit of a pause. So I think

2564
03:49:45,760 --> 03:49:48,040
the deal with the muting thing,
yes, is you don't need to tell

2565
03:49:48,200 --> 03:49:52,639
people to unmute. So I had
another question. Okay, well, let

2566
03:49:52,680 --> 03:49:58,319
me get it. You talk a
lot about how the Vatican has a really

2567
03:49:58,399 --> 03:50:01,959
big spye network, especially in the
Mid Ages that are probably the one of

2568
03:50:01,000 --> 03:50:07,319
the biggest spine networks, including the
Freemasons and alex Well, Lord Voldemort talks

2569
03:50:07,319 --> 03:50:11,840
a lot about how the George Washington
and a lot of the Founding fathers were

2570
03:50:11,879 --> 03:50:20,280
also Freemasons. Do you think that
the people who set up America had bad

2571
03:50:20,399 --> 03:50:24,200
intentions? Because they have there's good
ideals in the Constitute and the Constitution,

2572
03:50:24,440 --> 03:50:31,239
but you know, like you said, the Orthodox shouldn't get involved in political

2573
03:50:31,319 --> 03:50:35,399
matters. What do you think is
a good way of setting up a better

2574
03:50:35,520 --> 03:50:39,520
world? Then? Well, I
mean there's no easy answers to these questions

2575
03:50:39,600 --> 03:50:43,920
because a lot of your questions were
really involved dense historical questions. So,

2576
03:50:45,239 --> 03:50:48,000
I mean, one book that deals
with your first question about America is Firing

2577
03:50:48,040 --> 03:50:52,120
the Minds of Men, which we've
been lecturing through lately. It's not a

2578
03:50:52,200 --> 03:50:56,719
conspiracy text. It's a very famous, mainline historical text. So that's relevant

2579
03:50:56,799 --> 03:51:01,840
for the specific question about the origins
of the America. America is not totally

2580
03:51:01,879 --> 03:51:05,559
a Freemason country. It's a mix
of Christian ideas, Roman common law,

2581
03:51:05,959 --> 03:51:11,719
English, Ancient Roman law, English
common law, Biblical law, Mosaic law.

2582
03:51:13,559 --> 03:51:16,200
All of those things kind of went
into the founding of America. And

2583
03:51:16,280 --> 03:51:20,760
many of the church father founding fathers, the founding church fathers of I'm joking,

2584
03:51:20,799 --> 03:51:26,559
the founding fathers of America, many
of them were Episcopalian. There were

2585
03:51:26,799 --> 03:51:33,040
Baptists, there were Catholics, the
Carols famously, so you have a lot

2586
03:51:33,120 --> 03:51:37,000
of different ideas there in the Founding
Fathers. You also have the Jacobin atheist

2587
03:51:37,079 --> 03:51:43,760
Aluminus even represented with people like Franklin
and Jefferson. So I think America is

2588
03:51:43,000 --> 03:51:48,680
a mix of things, and then
the subsequent centuries would determine which of those

2589
03:51:50,639 --> 03:51:56,239
conflicting presubpositions in the Founding documents and
ideology. Which direction America would choose.

2590
03:51:56,319 --> 03:51:58,639
Would it choose to go more in
the direction of its Christian principles, or

2591
03:51:58,680 --> 03:52:03,959
would it choose to go more in
the direction of its atheistic and Satanic principles

2592
03:52:03,600 --> 03:52:07,840
via people like Franklin and Jefferson.
I think it's chosen to go in that

2593
03:52:07,079 --> 03:52:11,479
direction of the Satanic via the hell
Fire Clubs, which Franklin was involved in.

2594
03:52:13,040 --> 03:52:16,360
So I think all of those ideas
were present early on, and we've

2595
03:52:16,440 --> 03:52:20,159
just seen kind of America go,
unfortunately in the bad direction. There's no

2596
03:52:20,280 --> 03:52:26,120
easy answers to how to solve these
problems in the complexities of the modern geopolitical

2597
03:52:26,239 --> 03:52:28,639
entanglements and in the world. There's
not going to be any kind of Byzantine

2598
03:52:28,680 --> 03:52:33,719
empire anytime soon or anything like that. Historical forms come and go. You

2599
03:52:33,799 --> 03:52:37,000
can never resurrect an ancient form.
You can only deal with what the present

2600
03:52:37,120 --> 03:52:43,040
realities are. So a lot of
idealistic young people think that they're going to

2601
03:52:43,120 --> 03:52:48,399
resurrect some ancient Byzantine empire. That's
all silly and childish. So, you

2602
03:52:48,440 --> 03:52:52,000
know, the best hope is to
focus on expanding the church, and just

2603
03:52:52,079 --> 03:52:54,680
like in the Roman Empire, as
the church expanded it christianized the empire.

2604
03:52:54,959 --> 03:52:58,680
You don't do it the other way
around. You don't convert some emperor and

2605
03:52:58,719 --> 03:53:01,920
try to impose some top down empire. I know that's not yours what you

2606
03:53:03,000 --> 03:53:09,000
were saying, but uh, those
are my answers to to that. So,

2607
03:53:09,680 --> 03:53:20,159
Saint John Damascus, what's up?
Actually kind of think it's you shouldn't

2608
03:53:20,239 --> 03:53:24,159
name yourself as a saint on a
profile, but go ahead on mute.

2609
03:53:30,639 --> 03:53:33,360
Hello, can you hear me?
Gie? I thank you. I was

2610
03:53:33,440 --> 03:53:37,319
gonna ask a question. It's a
bit off topic, but so I see,

2611
03:53:37,399 --> 03:53:45,200
thank you for a gaming church.
What's your opinion on a clergy's practical

2612
03:53:45,280 --> 03:53:50,879
idealism? Do you think it's true
or not? Clergy's plan? Who clergy

2613
03:53:52,879 --> 03:53:56,559
count? Clergy? Yeah? Yeah? Do you think his plan is real

2614
03:53:56,760 --> 03:54:00,360
or no? He wrote books about
it? Yeah, of course I'd bought

2615
03:54:00,399 --> 03:54:05,040
his book. Yeah, your practical
idealism? I bought that book. But

2616
03:54:05,280 --> 03:54:09,959
the clergy plan is real? Sure, it's yeah, because I tried to

2617
03:54:09,000 --> 03:54:15,879
explain to people is in quickly and
and the Fabian socialism, But most people

2618
03:54:15,920 --> 03:54:18,920
don't understand that it's true. They
just call you kind of names and stuff.

2619
03:54:18,200 --> 03:54:22,239
Yeah, I hear you. I've
been called names for a long time.

2620
03:54:22,719 --> 03:54:26,719
I tried to explain a few other
people because you guided me Orthodoxy.

2621
03:54:26,719 --> 03:54:30,719
I went any Greek Orthodoxy in my
local town in Scotland. But when I

2622
03:54:30,799 --> 03:54:31,840
tried explaining to people, those should
call your names. But I try to

2623
03:54:31,840 --> 03:54:35,840
say that, know, this person
was real and he founded you. Yeah,

2624
03:54:37,079 --> 03:54:39,200
yeah, absolutely, count couldn't have
Colergy was not a fake, made

2625
03:54:39,280 --> 03:54:43,760
up person. He's a real person. And yeah, exactly. Yeah,

2626
03:54:43,840 --> 03:54:46,719
you try explain to people and did
you see stuff to you like you try

2627
03:54:46,719 --> 03:54:50,440
to show you what clergy was real? Right, Yeah, thank you for

2628
03:54:50,520 --> 03:54:52,959
that, thank you. Yeah,
sorry, I wish I had an explanation

2629
03:54:54,079 --> 03:54:58,760
as to but I mean, yeah, I mean this is he's a real

2630
03:54:58,799 --> 03:55:01,040
guy. It's a real book.
So they're this is somebody translating the book.

2631
03:55:01,079 --> 03:55:05,639
But as far as I know,
that's the only copy that you can

2632
03:55:05,719 --> 03:55:09,440
get. There might be PDFs of
it floating around somewhere that but yeah,

2633
03:55:09,440 --> 03:55:13,399
I don't know. It's really just
people are ignorant, and they're prideful,

2634
03:55:13,520 --> 03:55:18,799
and they're stupid, and they cling
to their ignorance and their stupidity. Bosh,

2635
03:55:18,959 --> 03:55:33,600
Blanders, what's up? Hey,
j can you hear me? Hey,

2636
03:55:33,719 --> 03:55:37,360
I wanted to ask about me and
a Roman Catholic friend. We're having

2637
03:55:37,399 --> 03:55:43,799
a discussion about the ranking system of
the patriarchal sees in the early councils.

2638
03:55:46,360 --> 03:55:54,280
M hm, So I believe it's
what Rome first, Alexandria, Rome,

2639
03:55:54,319 --> 03:55:58,920
Alexandria, Antioch at Nicea in Kennon
six, and then it eventually changes.

2640
03:56:00,200 --> 03:56:07,440
There's actually disputes. Leo rejects the
canon from Constantinople one when it's repeated at

2641
03:56:07,520 --> 03:56:13,680
Chalcedon that new Rome is next to
old Rome. Leo rejects it not because

2642
03:56:13,719 --> 03:56:18,399
of papalism, but because he thinks
it does an injustice to the canonical rankings

2643
03:56:20,000 --> 03:56:26,000
in Canon six of Nicia. However, eventually Rome, a couple centuries after

2644
03:56:26,200 --> 03:56:33,680
Leo, accepts that ranking and accepts
Constantinople a second. Okay, gotcha.

2645
03:56:33,760 --> 03:56:41,920
Well, my friend's question was if
and argue these rankings are more honorific,

2646
03:56:41,760 --> 03:56:48,680
If these bishops don't have any authority
over one another, what is kind of

2647
03:56:48,719 --> 03:56:52,840
the point of the ranking system?
Canonical privilege and jurisdictional privileges. This still

2648
03:56:52,920 --> 03:56:58,479
exists in the Orthodox Church today,
So Kirill as a patriarch has privileges that

2649
03:56:58,639 --> 03:57:07,399
the not every bishop in the Russian
church has. So autocephalist churches have patriarchs,

2650
03:57:07,719 --> 03:57:11,319
and within the jurisdiction of that autocephalist
church, the patriarch has canonical privileges

2651
03:57:11,399 --> 03:57:16,159
to nodal privileges that not every bishop
has. That's it has nothing to do

2652
03:57:16,399 --> 03:57:24,280
with some super special terrorism from Peter
okay, And that goes for the same

2653
03:57:24,360 --> 03:57:28,799
as far as like the five patriarchs
being ranked. What do you mean,

2654
03:57:30,120 --> 03:57:33,399
Yes, it does as far because
his point was like, well, why

2655
03:57:33,600 --> 03:57:37,719
is Rome ranked number one if they
have no real authority over the other patriarchal

2656
03:57:37,799 --> 03:57:43,879
scenes. It's well, they're equivocating
on the word authority because they're assuming that

2657
03:57:43,920 --> 03:57:48,520
authority must mean that it's universal jurisdiction, which the T eighty document and the

2658
03:57:50,079 --> 03:57:54,200
Alexandria Document admit was not the case
in the first thousand years. So Rome

2659
03:57:54,239 --> 03:57:58,879
has already admitted that it was not
a cross jurisdictional unilateral authority. That the

2660
03:58:00,000 --> 03:58:05,760
Bishop of Rome had its canonical and
privileges within synods and councils, But that

2661
03:58:05,920 --> 03:58:15,000
doesn't equate to unilateral authority without the
collegiality of all the other bishops speaking and

2662
03:58:15,239 --> 03:58:16,799
giving their opinions. And when you
look at the councils. That's how they

2663
03:58:16,840 --> 03:58:22,879
operate. They don't just take the
authority of Leo de facto. They investigate

2664
03:58:24,479 --> 03:58:28,040
to see if Leo's and cyclicals are
in accord with what Saint Cyril taught.

2665
03:58:28,600 --> 03:58:35,879
The standard of Orthodoxy at Calcidon is
not Leo, it's Cyril, okay,

2666
03:58:37,479 --> 03:58:41,000
And the same thing happens at the
sixth Council. They investigate to see if

2667
03:58:41,079 --> 03:58:46,000
what Agatho taught was in line with
what the other patriarchs and what the rest

2668
03:58:46,040 --> 03:58:52,719
of the church taught. Right.
So that's not just saying Roma spoken cases

2669
03:58:52,760 --> 03:58:58,280
closed. You see how deceptive they
are with these quote minds, right,

2670
03:58:58,239 --> 03:59:03,159
Yeah, I've recently been studying vaticle
myself, and you see it contradicted all

2671
03:59:03,200 --> 03:59:07,920
over the place, and the cannons
of the exactly correct. That's the strongest

2672
03:59:07,000 --> 03:59:11,799
argument. And that's why they say, Okay, yes, it's an evolving

2673
03:59:11,879 --> 03:59:20,319
thing, right because I one thing
I've noticed is Canon thirty of Calciton.

2674
03:59:20,280 --> 03:59:26,200
Talk explains why the Church of Alexandria
can't receive or they haven't received Leo's tomb,

2675
03:59:26,239 --> 03:59:31,719
not because they're an Orthodox, but
because they their patriarch was deposed and

2676
03:59:31,799 --> 03:59:35,079
they need to select a new one, where Pastor Turnus, which I've read

2677
03:59:35,120 --> 03:59:41,159
recently, says that the pope has
always had direct and immediate jurisdiction over the

2678
03:59:41,200 --> 03:59:45,639
whole church. Yep, So you
don't need a new bishop if like,

2679
03:59:45,920 --> 03:59:48,440
you just have to take whatever the
Pope says exactly. Well, if you

2680
03:59:48,520 --> 03:59:54,760
go to my website, we have
a collection that one of our old mods,

2681
03:59:54,159 --> 03:59:58,399
Seraphim, put together of all of
the canons in all of the seven

2682
03:59:58,440 --> 04:00:03,319
Ecumenical councils that contradict the claims of
Vatican One. So if you want,

2683
04:00:03,399 --> 04:00:11,079
there's an entire list of these,
and I'll put it in the chat for

2684
04:00:11,399 --> 04:00:13,799
those on YouTube right now and I'll
share it underneath what's your name, I'll

2685
04:00:13,840 --> 04:00:18,840
send you this this link if you
want it, like my Twitter name,

2686
04:00:20,040 --> 04:00:28,639
Yeah, it's at Blanderson blosh okay. So, actually, if you want

2687
04:00:28,680 --> 04:00:31,760
to, just go to my website
and type in Ecumenical canons or the article

2688
04:00:31,840 --> 04:00:37,399
is called the Ecumenical Canons refute Papal
Supremacy, and you'll get this list of

2689
04:00:37,479 --> 04:00:43,399
all the canons from the first seven
Ecumenical councils that are absolutely contrary to Vatican

2690
04:00:43,440 --> 04:00:46,879
One. So we've already kind of
helped you out. We've got that whole

2691
04:00:46,920 --> 04:00:50,000
list already for you right there,
Okay, I appreciate it. Yeah,

2692
04:00:50,040 --> 04:00:54,719
and show him that. And then
then when they see this and when they

2693
04:00:54,799 --> 04:00:58,719
read this, their default then is
to always say, well, it evolves.

2694
04:00:58,040 --> 04:01:01,520
So yeah, they didn't think of
it that way in the first thousand

2695
04:01:01,559 --> 04:01:05,399
years. It evolves, and that's
why we have the justification for it post

2696
04:01:05,879 --> 04:01:09,840
schism, post first thousand years in
the Gregorian Reforms. But what did the

2697
04:01:09,879 --> 04:01:16,840
Gregorian Reforms say? All of the
stuff that prepares the way for the revolution

2698
04:01:16,079 --> 04:01:20,360
of today's Roman Catholic Church. The
pope is above all the emperors. The

2699
04:01:20,440 --> 04:01:24,079
pope can oppose anyone he wants.
The pope is in charge of all the

2700
04:01:24,120 --> 04:01:26,040
bishops in the world. He must
sign off on every bishop in the world.

2701
04:01:26,280 --> 04:01:31,280
The Pope can, according to any
need of the time, make new

2702
04:01:31,440 --> 04:01:35,600
laws and for him alone is it
lawful to do this. So all of

2703
04:01:35,680 --> 04:01:43,200
the stuff that the Roman Catholics think
is an innovative revolution was already done in

2704
04:01:43,360 --> 04:01:48,200
ten ten seventy five slash ten ninety
by Gregory the Seventh in the Gregorian Reforms.

2705
04:01:50,280 --> 04:01:54,639
Right, yeah, and it's funny
just you going over all this with

2706
04:01:56,040 --> 04:02:00,840
all my best friends are Roman Catholic, And so when the Alexander document came

2707
04:02:00,879 --> 04:02:03,959
out, we were talking about it
and my friend was saying, oh,

2708
04:02:05,120 --> 04:02:09,440
this is like a step towards Vatican
one being reconciled with the Orthodox or something

2709
04:02:09,520 --> 04:02:13,040
like that. It's an admission of
Vatican one being wrong. It's not a

2710
04:02:13,079 --> 04:02:18,120
step towards union. I mean they
want, they want union practically, but

2711
04:02:18,239 --> 04:02:22,239
it's an admission Vatican one's wrong,
right, And well, I was like,

2712
04:02:22,319 --> 04:02:24,719
have you read Vatican One? He
was like, no, of course,

2713
04:02:26,000 --> 04:02:28,959
when have they ever read Vatican one? Right? Just like the guy

2714
04:02:28,040 --> 04:02:30,959
that was on here, the trad
cat that was on here a minute ago,

2715
04:02:31,079 --> 04:02:33,840
saying that he knows what's in Vatican
one, but he doesn't have it

2716
04:02:33,840 --> 04:02:35,959
in front of him, so he
doesn't know what's actually in it. Let's

2717
04:02:37,000 --> 04:02:39,159
move on. Thank you for that, Jacob. What's up, Jacob?

2718
04:02:46,000 --> 04:02:52,040
Yes, sir, so, I
was reading through the Byzantine Theology book by

2719
04:02:52,120 --> 04:02:56,479
my end or huh, And I'm
just kind of piggybacking off of the last

2720
04:02:56,520 --> 04:03:03,760
guy's question. I thought it was
interesting that Mayandorf said that, and Canon

2721
04:03:03,879 --> 04:03:09,040
six of Nicia one when it gives
the ordering of Rome, Alexandria and an

2722
04:03:09,079 --> 04:03:16,120
Antioch. The determining of the premiacy
was not because of petrine primacy, right,

2723
04:03:18,319 --> 04:03:22,520
it was because of custom material status
within the Roman Empire. Correct.

2724
04:03:22,520 --> 04:03:26,479
And that's that's why. So Canon
six of Nicia says custom. It says

2725
04:03:26,559 --> 04:03:33,479
nothing to do with divine status.
It says custom. And then that's why

2726
04:03:33,840 --> 04:03:39,200
when the Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople
One, when it says, and it's

2727
04:03:39,280 --> 04:03:43,920
canons, that new Rome should be
considered next to old Rome, right,

2728
04:03:45,799 --> 04:03:48,639
it's it's it doesn't see any problem
doing that, because they viewed it as

2729
04:03:48,719 --> 04:03:54,959
custom. And when Leo rejects that, because that same Canon of Constantinople One

2730
04:03:54,079 --> 04:04:00,200
is repeated as Canon twenty eight of
Chalcedon, Leo rejects it, and all

2731
04:04:00,200 --> 04:04:03,280
the Roman Catholics say, ah,
you see papalism. Because he's above the

2732
04:04:03,319 --> 04:04:07,760
canons. He doesn't reject it because
of papalism. He rejects it because it's

2733
04:04:07,879 --> 04:04:13,600
not fair to, in his view, Alexandria and Antioch to be displaced by

2734
04:04:13,799 --> 04:04:16,520
what Canon six of Nicia had already
given to them. Who gave it to

2735
04:04:16,600 --> 04:04:20,920
them, Nicia, not the Pope
Nicia gave it to them. The councils

2736
04:04:22,120 --> 04:04:28,840
grant via custom and tradition. These
snodal and canonical privileges nothing to do in

2737
04:04:28,959 --> 04:04:35,000
Canon six of Nicea of any special
thing directly from Peter right exactly. And

2738
04:04:35,120 --> 04:04:41,760
also Mayandorf makes the point for that
if room Roome's premacy was because of its

2739
04:04:41,840 --> 04:04:48,520
patrin status, it would make no
sense to put Antioch after Alexandria. Yes,

2740
04:04:50,079 --> 04:04:52,799
and I thought that was like,
well, I didn't think about that

2741
04:04:52,920 --> 04:04:56,120
before. Well. Another reason,
another reason that it's Rome, Alexander,

2742
04:04:56,120 --> 04:05:01,159
and Antioch is that these are three
patrine sees and all the way up to

2743
04:05:01,239 --> 04:05:03,879
Gregory the Great. Gregory has the
letter where he says when he's writing to

2744
04:05:05,239 --> 04:05:11,760
Alexandria and Antioch, he says,
we are the chair of Peter. Right,

2745
04:05:11,000 --> 04:05:15,479
So Peter is not limited to Rome, even in as late as Saint

2746
04:05:15,520 --> 04:05:24,440
greg Gregory the Great. It wouldn't
if patrine premacy is true, wouldn't Mark

2747
04:05:24,559 --> 04:05:28,639
be under Peter? And since Mark
was the one that was appointed bishop over

2748
04:05:28,680 --> 04:05:35,559
Alexandria, it would seem that Yeah, it seems like you have to say

2749
04:05:35,600 --> 04:05:39,120
that. Yeah, but that's all
I wanted to say. Yeah, great

2750
04:05:39,159 --> 04:05:43,159
point. I just wanted to shout
out also your philosophy one on one course.

2751
04:05:45,799 --> 04:05:46,639
Yeah, we had a lot of
good chats in there. I remember

2752
04:05:46,799 --> 04:05:52,399
our conversations, you and I and
everybody else. That course is still available,

2753
04:05:52,440 --> 04:05:56,239
so if anybody's interested, you can
get the philosophy course that I did

2754
04:05:56,360 --> 04:06:00,520
over here at the Autonomy Agora marketplace. We did twelve lectures through the history

2755
04:06:00,520 --> 04:06:03,559
of Western philosophy. It comes out
to about thirty thirty is thirty six ish

2756
04:06:03,680 --> 04:06:07,200
hours with all the Q and A
on top of the lectures. There's that

2757
04:06:07,360 --> 04:06:11,760
link. Also, Richard is doing
another course this year called Autonomy. He

2758
04:06:11,840 --> 04:06:16,239
does it every year. It's Richard's
course on becoming self sufficient, becoming an

2759
04:06:16,360 --> 04:06:20,399
entrepreneur, being your own businessman,
being independent, self sovereign, all of

2760
04:06:20,479 --> 04:06:24,520
that. Don't fall into the grind
of thinking that you're going to get work

2761
04:06:24,559 --> 04:06:26,639
for some corporation and climb the ladder
and all that. Start thinking about how

2762
04:06:26,719 --> 04:06:31,479
you can be your own boss and
be independent. And that's what Richard tries

2763
04:06:31,559 --> 04:06:33,719
to teach you in his course.
Right there, you can sign up at

2764
04:06:33,760 --> 04:06:39,120
the Autonomy Agora or the University of
Reason marketplace. The link will take you

2765
04:06:39,200 --> 04:06:41,440
to an obstacle course which you have
to complete, and that really just shows

2766
04:06:41,479 --> 04:06:46,000
that you're serious about completing the course. And then they'll talk to you about

2767
04:06:46,040 --> 04:06:50,639
you know, pricing and that kind
of stuff. So I might take one

2768
04:06:50,760 --> 04:06:54,959
more or two more. I'm getting
kind of tired here, Alex Trimo,

2769
04:06:56,319 --> 04:07:13,360
what's up, Alex going, I'm
you hello? Can you hear me?

2770
04:07:13,520 --> 04:07:18,239
Hello? Yes? I think Hey? Sorry about earlier man, I was

2771
04:07:18,079 --> 04:07:22,799
the other Alex whoever answered my computer
is just dumb, right, I'm gonna

2772
04:07:22,840 --> 04:07:28,559
blame it on the computer. Okay, So just a quick few things because

2773
04:07:28,600 --> 04:07:33,120
I heard that your that your neck
is hurting. So, first of all,

2774
04:07:33,200 --> 04:07:37,239
I was raised Catholic, I live
in Mexico. This is like the

2775
04:07:37,360 --> 04:07:41,319
third time I'm on your stream.
I just I just wanted to say that

2776
04:07:43,920 --> 04:07:52,280
anytime that I hear about these discussions
about all of the abominations that Pgoglu is

2777
04:07:52,360 --> 04:07:58,879
involved with, my blove boils because
there's so much information that is only available

2778
04:08:00,159 --> 04:08:03,280
in Spanish, all of yeah,
yeah, about all of the nonsense that

2779
04:08:03,399 --> 04:08:09,719
he does that I'm just like so
frustrated that so many people don't have access

2780
04:08:09,760 --> 04:08:15,399
to it because they don't speak Spanish. Let me give you an example.

2781
04:08:16,799 --> 04:08:22,319
He used to be a bishop in
Buenos Aires, the capital city of Argentina.

2782
04:08:22,479 --> 04:08:26,360
Right, So this is what I'm
going to tell you is one hundred

2783
04:08:26,440 --> 04:08:31,319
percent public information. You can find
it on YouTube. These are videos that

2784
04:08:31,440 --> 04:08:35,559
have been up for over five years, in some cases six years. So

2785
04:08:35,799 --> 04:08:46,120
back then, when he was a
bishop, he instructed the clerics that were

2786
04:08:46,319 --> 04:08:56,840
under his authority to give baptism to
the quote unquote adopted children of Skittle's couples.

2787
04:08:58,280 --> 04:09:03,600
So this is like I don't know
how long ago, but how long

2788
04:09:03,639 --> 04:09:09,520
has he been PopEd, Like ten
years or something, So it's been in

2789
04:09:09,159 --> 04:09:15,000
public knowledge over a decade. Right, Yeah, that's a great point.

2790
04:09:15,600 --> 04:09:20,440
Yeah. Yeah, this is an
interview that was given by this quote unquote

2791
04:09:20,600 --> 04:09:22,360
non. I don't know how she
can be called a nun. Her name

2792
04:09:22,479 --> 04:09:33,479
is Sir Lucia Karan, and she's
one of those typical frigid feminist, ridiculous

2793
04:09:33,639 --> 04:09:41,399
ladies, you know. She she's
like unapologetically like feminists. All right,

2794
04:09:43,680 --> 04:09:50,479
Yeah, So she was on this
leftist media newsutlet from from Spain called La

2795
04:09:50,559 --> 04:09:54,440
Sexta, which is I don't know, to the left of it would be

2796
04:09:54,600 --> 04:09:58,879
kind of like the Young Turks here
kind of thing in terms of how left

2797
04:10:00,239 --> 04:10:03,760
they are so yeah, she was
interviewed there and she said, yes,

2798
04:10:05,479 --> 04:10:11,799
as kittles should be accepted in the
church. But it's a lot of processes,

2799
04:10:11,000 --> 04:10:15,879
so it's gonna take time, but
I hope we get there. And

2800
04:10:16,040 --> 04:10:20,079
guess what now that this whole thing
just happened. A few days ago,

2801
04:10:20,079 --> 04:10:26,040
she spoke to the media again and
her attitude was like I told you guys.

2802
04:10:26,559 --> 04:10:33,239
She was like so happy, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I'm looking

2803
04:10:33,319 --> 04:10:37,879
for the the old clip, which
is actually suppressed on YouTube. You can't

2804
04:10:37,920 --> 04:10:43,120
find it anywhere. I've almost found
it. Francis is puppet mass. Yeah,

2805
04:10:43,159 --> 04:10:48,920
here we go. So here's Francis
himself doing puppet mass. Because people

2806
04:10:48,000 --> 04:10:54,879
think that this doesn't exist. Here's
Pinocchio, Pinocchio at the puppet mass.

2807
04:11:13,360 --> 04:11:18,799
So we got Disney characters Pinocchio,
Jesus at the puppet mass and then mass

2808
04:11:20,319 --> 04:11:26,719
and yeah and then uh, then
then Francis had a uh polka or Latin

2809
04:11:26,799 --> 04:11:35,040
dance mass. Here's a polka mask, tango mass. It's a tango masse.

2810
04:11:37,600 --> 04:11:50,079
Getting worse Bloomers doing tango masses in
the Roal Macallolic Cathedral, where Francis

2811
04:11:50,319 --> 04:11:54,120
was okay, go ahead, how
does it get worse? Worse like clown

2812
04:11:54,200 --> 04:11:58,040
mouses or what do you mean?
It gets even worse. You know,

2813
04:11:58,280 --> 04:12:03,479
we could we could be here like
until December talking about all of his mess

2814
04:12:03,559 --> 04:12:07,879
ups. Right, I know our
time is limited, so I'll just bring

2815
04:12:07,040 --> 04:12:15,360
up what I think are his two
biggest screw ups. So one of them

2816
04:12:15,520 --> 04:12:20,959
is one he commonly does. He
frequently does where he will be speaking,

2817
04:12:20,639 --> 04:12:28,079
like giving some public speech, and
he will say, there's two things that

2818
04:12:28,200 --> 04:12:33,760
I always carry with me. One
thing is a rosary, I think,

2819
04:12:33,959 --> 04:12:37,719
and the other thing is the how
do you call this in English? The

2820
04:12:37,840 --> 04:12:43,879
way of the Cross? Right?
The vehicles right? And he will always

2821
04:12:43,959 --> 04:12:46,479
say before explaining that the other thing
is the way of the Cross. He

2822
04:12:46,559 --> 04:12:54,360
says this, and he makes like
extreme emphasis and he makes like a demonic

2823
04:12:54,479 --> 04:13:00,159
face when he says it. He
says this story of God's failure. He

2824
04:13:00,239 --> 04:13:05,319
says yeah, yeah, yeah,
and and with his hand he's like showing

2825
04:13:05,440 --> 04:13:09,719
it to the people. But he
has repeatedly done it, like two or

2826
04:13:09,840 --> 04:13:16,920
three times. And I was like, what I mean, you think resurrection

2827
04:13:16,440 --> 04:13:24,280
rising from the dead is a failure
and you think God can fail. If

2828
04:13:24,319 --> 04:13:26,799
you think God can fail, then
you don't know who God is. Right,

2829
04:13:28,079 --> 04:13:33,760
absolutely, yeah, great, points
the other one and I can maybe

2830
04:13:33,840 --> 04:13:37,120
send you the videos do Yeah.
The thing is that you need to know

2831
04:13:37,319 --> 04:13:41,440
Spanish in order to know what's going
on. So if I have a certain

2832
04:13:41,520 --> 04:13:45,760
point, maybe you want to collaborate, I can volunteer to translate. But

2833
04:13:46,479 --> 04:13:52,559
and the other video, he's speaking
about some sort of ecumenism. He's doing

2834
04:13:52,639 --> 04:13:56,319
his usual doubles peak where he says
one thing, but he you know,

2835
04:13:56,799 --> 04:14:00,920
he means something entirely different. But
the point is that at a certain point,

2836
04:14:01,120 --> 04:14:05,239
because he's sitting at an office right
like with a bunch of books behind

2837
04:14:05,319 --> 04:14:07,959
him, and at a certain point
he says, what I'm about to say

2838
04:14:09,559 --> 04:14:16,399
might be nonsense. It might even
be a heresy. I don't know.

2839
04:14:16,920 --> 04:14:22,040
And I'm like, what you're supposed
to be the dude, Yeah, who

2840
04:14:22,440 --> 04:14:28,040
Catholics go to in order to know
what is and isn't heresy? What is

2841
04:14:28,120 --> 04:14:33,200
in valid? And you're gonna tell
me that you don't know if what you're

2842
04:14:33,200 --> 04:14:35,200
doing. That's like you know,
you're flying, You're on a plane and

2843
04:14:35,280 --> 04:14:39,559
suddenly the pilot says, okay,
ladies and gentlemen, true is I don't

2844
04:14:39,600 --> 04:14:43,440
really know if I'm doing this right? You get what I mean yeah,

2845
04:14:45,000 --> 04:14:46,959
absolutely, Yeah, hit me up
on DMS. Dude, I appreciate that

2846
04:14:48,760 --> 04:14:52,399
slang gerows our last one and I'm
super tired. Yeah, just real quick.

2847
04:14:54,280 --> 04:15:01,239
Well, also, the experience with
Catholic University, man like, it

2848
04:15:01,479 --> 04:15:05,159
was full of skittles and I tried
to battle it and everything never worked and

2849
04:15:05,319 --> 04:15:11,840
needed Oh you mean you went to
what Catholic University in DC? No?

2850
04:15:11,360 --> 04:15:15,159
No, dude, I live in
Mexico. Well, I meant, but

2851
04:15:15,319 --> 04:15:18,840
in America when we hear Catholic University, we think about the one in DC.

2852
04:15:18,200 --> 04:15:22,559
But you're saying there's a different one
in Mexico. Yeah. No,

2853
04:15:22,680 --> 04:15:26,520
it's like a small town in Mexico. But yeah, and let's let's than

2854
04:15:26,600 --> 04:15:31,639
sixty seconds when I know you're in
a hurry. But the other thing is

2855
04:15:31,680 --> 04:15:37,440
that I went there and like all
of the heads of departments skittles, Skittles,

2856
04:15:37,639 --> 04:15:43,000
skittles. You know, I leave
college two years I check because I'm

2857
04:15:43,440 --> 04:15:48,319
thinking about maybe getting a job with
them, and it's even more skittles.

2858
04:15:48,360 --> 04:15:50,879
And I said no, no,
no, no, no way of doing

2859
04:15:50,920 --> 04:15:54,559
it. And it gets worse.
But I know that your time is limited.

2860
04:15:54,799 --> 04:16:00,280
They said, show us your hot
dog. What kind of a dog

2861
04:16:00,360 --> 04:16:03,079
do you have if you want to
join us. I'm just joking. No,

2862
04:16:03,360 --> 04:16:08,719
that actually did happen. That was
not as Kittle's teacher per se.

2863
04:16:10,159 --> 04:16:18,079
But we didn't have like a religious
uh studies subject, and the teacher did

2864
04:16:18,280 --> 04:16:23,920
give us an assignment to undress ourselves, put a mirror between our legs and

2865
04:16:25,120 --> 04:16:29,399
write down what we see. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's

2866
04:16:29,440 --> 04:16:33,959
some serious cat of theology right there, dude. Yeah. I confronted the

2867
04:16:34,079 --> 04:16:38,040
teacher and she was just like,
dude, don't don't make a fuss up,

2868
04:16:38,079 --> 04:16:42,079
because she was she was actually attracted, right, So she got away.

2869
04:16:42,440 --> 04:16:45,399
So you wanted to do it now? No, no, no,

2870
04:16:45,600 --> 04:16:52,000
no, not not even not even
being I'm just but a lot of dudes

2871
04:16:52,000 --> 04:16:55,559
who were like, oh man,
it's gonna be lit, you know,

2872
04:16:55,799 --> 04:16:59,399
like, yeah, sure I would
love to. And I was like,

2873
04:16:59,639 --> 04:17:02,239
hell, I don't care. You
should have just wrote that when you look

2874
04:17:02,319 --> 04:17:04,440
down you saw engorged milkers, and
then you could say you were you were

2875
04:17:04,520 --> 04:17:10,559
citing Taylor Marshall. I'm considers saying
that I saw her, but too much

2876
04:17:10,600 --> 04:17:14,559
of about it, right, Yeah, In any case, maybe you could

2877
04:17:15,159 --> 04:17:18,440
tell us a little bit about chalk. I would just like to say that

2878
04:17:18,639 --> 04:17:22,799
that it does work. And that's
all for now. I'm gonna follow you

2879
04:17:22,920 --> 04:17:27,840
and I'm gonna send you the videos
and later point you want me to translate,

2880
04:17:29,159 --> 04:17:33,239
we can arrange something. Yeah.
Thanks man, I appreciate that you

2881
04:17:33,360 --> 04:17:38,680
have really good comments, really good
comments. Slang arena. What's up man?

2882
04:17:40,280 --> 04:17:45,079
Last one? Hi? J Yes, sir, can you hear me?

2883
04:17:45,159 --> 04:17:51,920
Yeah? Okay, So I'm from
Greece. We have a lot of

2884
04:17:52,879 --> 04:18:03,479
a lot of people pushing the unions
here with with the psychological operations like female

2885
04:18:03,520 --> 04:18:11,520
alter service and you know the things, and there is there's a lot,

2886
04:18:11,799 --> 04:18:17,360
there's a lot of discussion in parallel
to that, and there seem to be

2887
04:18:17,399 --> 04:18:22,280
a lot of people that actually want
to learn what's going on in the church.

2888
04:18:22,520 --> 04:18:33,680
And I inquire about something you have
previously said that hairy requires he is

2889
04:18:33,719 --> 04:18:38,719
a scene of will, or requires
prior will. So when I engage these

2890
04:18:38,879 --> 04:18:47,440
people in discussions, I usually end
up with them feeling like their heretics,

2891
04:18:47,559 --> 04:18:53,440
and I try to say to them
that this hevicy requires will, the thing

2892
04:18:53,559 --> 04:19:00,319
that the very thing that you say
like obstinacy, right, So not being

2893
04:19:00,399 --> 04:19:03,639
wrong is part of it, but
just being wrong doesn't make you a formal

2894
04:19:03,719 --> 04:19:07,680
heretic. Right, What makes a
person a heretic is when they persist in

2895
04:19:08,319 --> 04:19:14,879
not receiving any correction or any information
that you know helps to show that No,

2896
04:19:15,040 --> 04:19:18,600
actually we can't have women priests,
right, Oh, I don't care.

2897
04:19:18,920 --> 04:19:22,920
I'm still attached to this and you're
an evil, rigorous right, they're

2898
04:19:22,000 --> 04:19:26,520
moving into becoming a heretic. Yeah. First of all, there's a lot

2899
04:19:26,559 --> 04:19:30,280
of ignorance. But aside from the
ignorance, there's a part of them that

2900
04:19:30,959 --> 04:19:36,440
does want to learn. But we
have here in Greece, we have Christianity

2901
04:19:36,520 --> 04:19:41,000
a lot as tradition, right,
not as it has It seems that through

2902
04:19:41,120 --> 04:19:48,079
time it has lost its theological meaning. Yeah, so I do not know

2903
04:19:48,200 --> 04:19:52,399
how to express it. My English
is not as well. Maybe through these

2904
04:19:53,680 --> 04:20:00,920
and it instantly connects on a deeper
level as all on being head now and

2905
04:20:00,719 --> 04:20:06,040
it usually ends up like me being
a big memi as you usually say.

2906
04:20:06,799 --> 04:20:11,600
So, is there a quick way
to all the can love and actually talk

2907
04:20:11,639 --> 04:20:15,440
about the issues? Yes, thump
them, thump them on their nose and

2908
04:20:15,600 --> 04:20:19,680
distract them and then bring in the
truth theology. Just kidding, No,

2909
04:20:19,799 --> 04:20:22,000
I don't know of any easy ways. I'm sorry. I wish there was

2910
04:20:22,079 --> 04:20:27,040
an easy way. But I appreciate
those questions. I mean, really,

2911
04:20:27,079 --> 04:20:30,959
we're just dealing with a lot of
it's a mix of things. It's people

2912
04:20:30,040 --> 04:20:34,840
not knowing what's going on. It's
people ignorant, being prideful, all kinds

2913
04:20:34,879 --> 04:20:40,399
of confluence of things, powerful interest
trying to push all this crazy stuff everywhere.

2914
04:20:40,920 --> 04:20:45,280
So there's no easy solutions to it. I wish there was. You

2915
04:20:45,399 --> 04:20:48,399
just got to keep, you know, hammering away at at trying to be

2916
04:20:48,600 --> 04:20:51,520
nice and patient. I have a
hard time with that. I'm not the

2917
04:20:51,600 --> 04:20:56,000
most patient person. So yeah,
I just keep trying to be more patient.

2918
04:20:56,120 --> 04:20:59,239
And you know, if they're not
if they're not open to listening to

2919
04:20:59,399 --> 04:21:03,280
reason, don't keep arguing. There's
no point, So try to affect them

2920
04:21:03,280 --> 04:21:06,200
in other ways. Temple hat Girl
ten dollars. Padre Peel was involved in

2921
04:21:06,280 --> 04:21:11,680
an sex scandal in that church.
He paid uh paid an alchemist with money

2922
04:21:11,319 --> 04:21:15,920
to get carbonic acid to make the
stigmata wounds. I haven't heard. I

2923
04:21:17,000 --> 04:21:21,159
have heard about the sex scandal,
but I didn't know about the chemist.

2924
04:21:21,399 --> 04:21:26,559
I think he meant chemist storm the
cat ten dollars. When w Vopwine admitted

2925
04:21:26,559 --> 04:21:30,920
that it's not possible for materials ate
this to epismically, epistemologically justify knowledge.

2926
04:21:30,360 --> 04:21:34,239
This is true, But doesn't this
mean that he can't justify that claim itself?

2927
04:21:34,719 --> 04:21:38,280
Yeah? Absolutely, I think for
Qwine he would be okay with just

2928
04:21:38,360 --> 04:21:45,000
sort of capitulating to those contradictions and
those inabilities. I think absolutely. So,

2929
04:21:45,399 --> 04:21:49,239
you know, Quine's not right because
he's just showing that the end result

2930
04:21:49,360 --> 04:21:53,479
of empiricism is still a dead end, and that's why he's useful. It

2931
04:21:53,479 --> 04:21:56,559
doesn't mean he's he has some answer. He doesn't have an answer. He's

2932
04:21:57,000 --> 04:22:00,840
bringing the empirist's tradition back its roots
and saying, guys, we can't answer

2933
04:22:00,920 --> 04:22:07,440
this stuff. That's the only use
he has in that regard on that question.

2934
04:22:07,000 --> 04:22:10,520
Head on over to a website,
Jays Analysis. You can subscribe and

2935
04:22:10,680 --> 04:22:12,959
buy my books there, signed copies, the red books there, the giant

2936
04:22:14,280 --> 04:22:18,040
six hundred pages. If you want
also go listen to the Dialectical Materialism stream.

2937
04:22:18,520 --> 04:22:25,000
It's actually very relevant for today's stream
if you missed it, because what

2938
04:22:25,600 --> 04:22:32,280
the process the praxis is of dialectical
materialism. If you go watch that talk,

2939
04:22:32,680 --> 04:22:37,639
you'll recognize that the Vatican's doing the
same methodology and that will be a

2940
04:22:37,680 --> 04:22:41,280
big piece of the puzzle that all
of the trads and people fall for.

2941
04:22:41,680 --> 04:22:47,040
This bureaucratese and this game that they
play where they throw a bone they try

2942
04:22:47,079 --> 04:22:49,280
to double speak. You can get
my red book over there at the website

2943
04:22:49,319 --> 04:22:53,840
in the shop. Also, remember
that David Bradshaw, doctor Bradshaw's excellent essays,

2944
04:22:53,920 --> 04:22:59,479
which I'm always trying to look for, his four essays that I'm having

2945
04:22:59,520 --> 04:23:03,120
to link all the time, and
they're in this new book that's come out,

2946
04:23:03,280 --> 04:23:08,440
Energies and Action Exploring the Essence Energy
Distinction. The first four chapters are

2947
04:23:08,520 --> 04:23:14,159
the four PDFs that I'm always looking
for and always sharing with people. Now

2948
04:23:14,479 --> 04:23:17,559
it is conveniently in a single book
for you, and that's very relevant to

2949
04:23:17,719 --> 04:23:22,440
our Roman Catholic debate that we've had
theologically for the last several years. So

2950
04:23:23,000 --> 04:23:27,639
go get that book and read it, and you'll see that everything we've been

2951
04:23:27,760 --> 04:23:29,680
arguing is correct.