Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
this is a place you can go to forget about things for a while.
I think there's a song like that, but I'm not going to break into
it. Don't worry about that. We have a well say, he's a
personal friend and an entertaining astronomer for tonight's show, Mark D'Antonio, and we're
gonna be talking about all types of cosmic mysteries and we'll probably touch on UFOs.
He has a book and we're going to be talking about that and it's
called It's about the probability of life, and it's called the Populated Universe.
Life in the universe may be very well be the rule and not the exception.
I think I kind of screwed that up a little bit. But anyway,
so we'll get into that. We're going to be taking calls in the
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about well, a lot of people have complained many times about all the technical
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and I'm going to say, hopefully say goodbye to that forever. And we're
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This is a debut with it, so hopefully everything will go just fine.
And that is enough for me. And without further ado, I want
to bring him on. You may have seen him on TV, The One
and only Mark D'Antonio. Welcome to the show. Mark. Hey, yeah,
are you doing Martin? Thank you for having me. You've had always
good to see you. You're in your You have like the ultimate man cave
because it's like a submarine, right, well, actually it's more like a
destroyer. It's a I've got I've got portholes for windows, and a hatch
to commit it out. But it wasn't made as a man cave. It
was just made as my business office because since I have work here, I
wanted it to look as good as possible, and if I was going to
work here, I didn't want to be bored here. So it looked cool.
So I got rivets and rust, which is awful. No, I
love it. When I visited there, I just thought that was such a
cool set up you had. It's really great. I'm glad you liked it.
Yeah, so we I think the last time we talked was maybe like
a year ago, a year and a half something like that. I can't
really remember. There's some astronomy in the news lately. I wanted to talk
a little bit about that tonight. Let's go. Yeah, but for the
person quickly, there's a few out there that there are new listeners here.
Just a little bit about your background quickly, if you would. Oh,
sure, I think I'm an astronomer last I checked. That was what I
got a degree in. And I believe that science is available to the masses.
Everybody should be able to understand scigns. You just have to make it
understandable to those that don't have a scientific background. So I bring science to
the masses. That's what I do now with my astronomy. Um, I'm
an extra planet guy, and in the astronomy world, I like to enjoy
and look at research about extra planets around other plants, around other stars.
Uh. And I'm the Mutual Uphone Network's chief photo and video analysts and have
done a lot of uh, you know, interesting television shows because I'm sort
of a voice of reason, I would guess is the right way to put
it. Um. You know, I fully believe that that extraterrustrial life can
exist. I fully believe that intelligent extraterustrial life may exist. But I do
think that they could also have made it here. Uh. And so that's
kind of my background, you know. And um, you know I've done,
like I said, I've done things all over the place, spoken a
lot of conferences. Uh not right now because of COVID, you know,
but that'll change. Yeah. So when you, um, when when did
you like feel it was okay too, you know, kind of look into
the UFO topic. Um. Was it early on? Yeah? Actually I
was. Um, I was nine years old when I realized I was going
to be an astronomer. Wow, that's never changed. I never wavered.
So either it makes me very boring or it means that I was committed.
And how does it? How does a nine year old get committed to anything?
I mean besides an asylum, you know, n so um. The
way that happens is you go outside, you look up at the night sky,
and you feel something when you look at the night sky. And for
me, that something was I actually felt homesick looking up in the night sky.
And when I looked up and saw the myriad stars over my head,
I was like wow, wow. And then we'd go on family trips to
Maine in the summers and Port Clyde, Maine, a small fishing village up
on the down East. As they say, you know that you can't get
there from here location. I was stunned at the beauty of the night sky
up there, and you know what, it never left me. And I
want a dark sky my entire life. So every house I've ever owned,
and I've owned let's see one, two, this will be the third.
Actually so not many, but every house I had to be able to see
the milky way up in the sky. Wow. When I before I bought
the house, if I couldn't see the Milky Way, I wasn't going to
buy that house. I don't care how nice the house looked. So the
house I'm in now, I really hoped i'd see the milky Way. And
when I pulled into the driveway at night with the owner's permission because we hadn't
bought the house yet, I looked up. I saw the milky Way and
I said, Okay, this house is now a candidate, isn't it crazy?
Wow? Now, Um and I live up as I've we've talked about
this. I live right around the corner from where you used to summer you
live, you used to go to Tenant's Harbor, And that's up for me
right now. And it is beautiful up here. And I also had a
conversation with you when Um, we lost power up here and I could actually
see the milky Way so clear, but it's not that clear because of the
there is a little bit of light pollution. Yeah, you're you're You've got
Rockland on one side, Portland on the other. You're going to see the
light from where from that location, you know, in Tenant's Harbor location actually,
which is not where you are, um, um. But from from
my point of view, that's not so bad, um because I look at
it in terms of how bright the night sky is on what's called the Bortle
scale. The Bordal is b O RTL, not bottle because you know the
bottle scale. Well, that'll make any night sky look wonderful, you know,
for some people if you tip it a little too much. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. The Bortle scale, on the other hand, that's a
measure of the brightness of the night sky, okay. And if you have
a Bordal sky of zero, it's absolutely dark, so like you can't see
your hand up in your face. A Bordal sky of nine okay, is
like downtown Phoenix or downtown New York City, you know Manhattan, all right.
And the observatory here in Connecticut where I run my observatory astronomy outreach programs
on YouTube, you know, the sky through a live stream this These skies
are Bordal five skies, and so on some nights I can see really really
nice milky way, and other nights, if there's too much water vapor in
the air, I might not see them see it at all. But we
have a second observatory we're building out in the Sonoran Desert in Arizona. Wow.
Yeah, that's right, you must. Wow. That's when do you
expect that to be completed and operational? Well? What's today? Today's me
twelfth, and I'm going to be going out there on June twenty second,
and we're building the observatory building I've got. There's gonna be a crew coming
out. They're gonna erect that building, and the building is going to have
a regular peaked roof, and the whole roof is going to roll off the
building. It's gonna be what's called a roll off roof observatory. However I'm
making I'm making it so that it can be remotely controlled from anywhere in the
world. Wow. So I have like the one here, My observatory here
is remote. I run it from here. I'm inside my office. I
run it from here, Okay, And it's actually very nice. It works
very well. So I've been working with it like that for several years now,
and I'm gonna be able to translate what I learned here into a permanent,
more robust system out there. So it's very nice. That's great.
Now you actually do something on Sunday nights where there's some type of stream you
do as well that has to do with your observatory. Let me talk quick
about that. Sure On Sunday nights on KGRA hey, who would have thought,
Hey, Gary Radio the best listeners on Earth? Right? They from
eight to ten pm on Sunday nights, we have sky Tour Radio and my
co host is Amanda Current and we have Daryl Mason with us. Darryl Mason
is I call him the astronomers astronomer. He's he's a very very knowledgeable amateur
astronomer who brings a different perspective than the professional astronomers. And so it's really
good to have him on because he knows the night sky like the back of
his hand, and you know, that is something that that people that are
learning astronomy will want to do well, want to learn, you know,
and so he's great to have on. A man that is great. She
knew absolutely no astronomy when we started together, and now you know, she'll
actually cut me off when I'm talking to finish my sentences with the right thing
in astronomy, and I don't get mad. I'm proud of her, you
know, because he's come a long way, and it's really cool to hear
her knowledge. Or she'll I'll say, now we have all these different types
of stellar types, and you'll hear her go, oh, I know,
I know, I know, because she wants to tell everybody what they are.
So I let her, you know, we go through that. So,
um, he's yeah, she's really amazing, as is Darrel. So
um, I say that sky to a radio is us, not me,
Okay, And that's I think that's true. You know, you you've got
to You've got to basically acknowledge the people that have, you know, make
your show success, right, Um, you know, you do it for
the people that have helped you. I do it for people have helped me,
you know, to keep this show going. Yeah. So I want
to talk about a couple of things that are kind of hot in the news,
and one of them is there's that the black hole that's about a thousand
light years away that they just discovered. That's very an unusual thing for them
to find something like that. That was sort of of because this black hole
is actually in our backyard if you want to go down the path of what
constitutes a backyard in astronomy, where the nearest star is twelve thousand years away.
At the fastest speed we can go, a thousand light years is actually
right in our backyard. And this particular black hole is really it's in a
constellation called Telescopium, which is the telescope and it was found through a study
of the star Hr sixty eight nineteen, and this particular star a nice romantic
for that star. This star has actually is more than one. There's two
stars, at least that's what they thought. There's a primary and a secondary
star. Well, the secondary had a weird orbit that didn't match what was
expected for a binary star, okay, because this one star turned out to
be too righte a binary, and then that second star would typically just orbit
around the main star. Well, it's doing so, but something is weird
is going on. It turns out that this secondary star right is surrounded by,
or got next to it, another object that can't be seen that's affecting
its orbit. So they've guessed that, and I think rightly that this whole
system, this trinary system, it has a black hole in it. And
the star that was considered the primary is actually the secondary because the black hole
is pretty heavy, pretty massive, Okay, when I say primary versus secondary,
the primary is usually the more massive star or the brighter on the secondary
is usually the dimmer and less massive. You know either of those things.
Well, the primary in this case has a black hole going around it,
and that secondary is orbiting the two of them at a much greater distance.
And it takes only forty days for that that black hole and star to orbit
each other. And that process is something that was the ciphered of when they
looked at the data. And by looking at the data, they can see
these black holes out there. Now. You know, if if you think
about it, you say, well, how to black holes form? I
mean, black holes don't just like show up high, I'm a black hole.
I'm here now, they don't. What happens is they the stars go
through stellar revolution, they actually use up all their hydrogen fuel and then swell
into a red giant. And if they're smaller than a certain size, a
certain a certain mass, then they'll just shrink down to a little white dwarfs,
leaving a little fuzzy nebula around the remaining white dwarf. But if they're
bigger than a certain size, then the stars can actually explode in what we
call a supernova, which is the greatest cataclysmic explosion that the universe knows other
than what's called a killanova or a hypernova. But if you think about it,
or as it turns out, fast radio burst, it might be the
explosion of a supernova would leave debris and you'd see something in the area left
over. Well, this particular star system, this trainary doesn't have any of
this stuff. There's none of this wreckage from a previous exploded star hanging out.
So what does that mean. It means that perhaps there's another phenomena of
foot, and that phenomena that could be a foot is that some massive star
ours can actually just begin to collapse and instead of going super and ova,
they can just go into this catastrophic collapse and these are called direct collapse black
holes. They can actually go right from being a star right down to a
black hole. And it's theorized that maybe this could have happened here. But
it's also possible, going back to the super andover front, that it might
have happened so long ago that all of the material from the supernova has moved
out and expanded, because once the star exploded, he goes boom. You
know, the stuff just goes on and on and on, and then what's
left in the center might not have so much stuff, and that that could
be what we see here too. But it's a really neat thing. Yeah,
yeah, And so it's part of it's part of a binary system and
a trinary system, I guess it. M So there's no danger of us
the other binary stars like drawn into it, unless somehow they it shifts or
something like that. I mean, it just has the gravity of a of
another son basically, right, actually four other sons. It's actually the mass
of four sons, And so it means that this probably was a much more
massive star to begin with. And then when it collapsed, either with a
supernova, is gonna blow off a huge amount of mass from the start bottom
and all goes away. But what's left in the middle, right, is
going to have a certain mass left over. If it had a four solar
masses left over, it means it had to be a big star to begin
with. So then you would say, well, wait, why didn't the
other stars in that system get destroyed? You know, why didn't the other
stars get destroyed in the system from this? And the answer to that is
that these stars many times do survive supernovae because as close as they are there
are sometimes not close enough to be destroyed or you know what we call disrupted
by another stellar event. Nearby stars are actually pretty cohesive things. It's gonna
it takes a lot to destroy them. But this one, this also being
a thousand light years away, never will never have an issue with it.
It's not going to be a problem for us. Well, yeah, I
know, and I have brought this up to another astronomer that was on here,
basically that you don't really have anymore draw well, when this has the
mass of four suns, it basically has that type of gravity pull. But
it's not going to bother you unless you know, it's not going to come
after you, so to speak. No, it's it's it's an orbit like
like our sun right now. If it went if our sun could be magically
turned into a black hole, we see the Sun go out, and the
planets would continue to orbit just like they do forever. They just get a
lot colder and a lot deader. Okay, but you know it orbits,
uh, you know, it doesn't change the the the mass doesn't change.
Uh. It once it's a black hole it'll be a one our son would
be a one solar mass black hole. Now our son is impossible. It
can't become a black hole. Just for argument's sake, I'm saying a red
dwarf, it would have become right, our son would become a white dwarf,
you know, it would become a red giant after it uses up as
TI and it goes through using other stuff to fuse into other materials, and
that would make it bloat into this bigger thing. And then as those things
progressively waned and went away, it would shrink down more and more, and
it's gonna it pulsate. It would start to shrink and then say, oh
hey, I got some more stuff, and then bloats up again, and
then it goes down once it loses that, and then oh if I'd more
stuff to fuse, you know, and when that happens, basically it'll bloat
and do that kind of that cycle, that variable cycle like that, puffing
and shrinking multiple times, and it will become a white dwarf. And the
white dwarf h is a really odd character, just like um. Well,
with bigger stars, they could leave behind black holes or neutron stars. So
it's a really uh these cores of old stars at the end are really odd
places. None of them conduce up to life. Yeah right, I know
that. I think a sun has to be two and a half times the
size of ours before it could become a black hole. I play something like
that. Well, yeah, black holes have to have a certain minimum mass,
okay. And like for our son, if we there's a certain limit
okay, our son when it goes to a white dwarf, stars up to
one point four four solar masses would go to a white dwarf. Above that,
then they have a chance of becoming going supernova and possibly leaving behind a
neutron star all right, which is another dead star remnant. And above that,
still the larger ones, when they explode, they could actually leave behind
a black hole. Which when I first heard about black holes, I thought
it was just bologny. I thought it was really I just thought it was
bologny until you know, and not not until I actually heard from people that
talked about the physics of the black holes and how they operated, and I
realized that we're talking about a force of gravity that's actually bending not light but
the fabric of space itself, and bending space is a concept that is hard
for people to understand because they think space is nothing gets empty, you know,
and it's it's not, you know. And so when when when the
fabric of space gets bent, Well, just like a car on a hill,
okay, following the contours of a hill, light follows the contour of
space. So if the if the if space is getting bent around by a
black hole, well the light is gonna go bent, get around, get
bent around by this black hole because it's following space. It follows space.
It doesn't know that there's a band. It's just going straight as far as
it's concerned, you know. And so when they say a black hole's gravity
is so strong that not even light can escape it, what they're really saying
is that the gravitational force of the black hole is bending space so much that
the light that is now let's say orbiting the black hole, if it if
it ends up getting into the black hole, the gravity is so strong that
and the curvature of space is so tight that you'll that light beam can never
get out again, that particle, that photon of light will never get out.
So that's why they say that it's not that light is bent by gravity.
It's not. Space is bent by gravity and light follows space. It's
sort of a two step thing. Well, you know, crazy it is.
And I've heard it's kind of like putting a bowling ball on a mattress.
It's a good way to put it, yeah, or a big rubber
sheet, you know. And and and you know, we've done that actually
in physics. We've actually taken a ball bearing and put it on a large
rubber sheet and it makes a well in the middle. And if if you
get enough people to hold that thing and stretch it, you know, the
ball bearing will make like a little dent in the middle. But as the
people start to walk forward a little bit, it stays taught, but the
ball bearing starts to sing deeper and deeper and deeper, making it deeper and
deeper. Well, And you can simulate, for instance, the different depths
of a gravitational well this way. And then if you can take other like
marbles and start rolling them around on this thing, you'll see the marbles will
orbit these things and spiral in faster and faster and faster until they go down
the middle like a roulette wheel in a way, and it goes clink and
then you got that. Then the marbles now hit the ball bearing in the
middle. Yeah, we got just here. We're going to be going into
a break, and I just want to touch on some of the other things
we're going to talk about. Of course, we'll hit the UFO topics,
sooner or later, we're gonna be talking about your book, and we're also
going to be talking about well, well they're going to talk about your book
at this coming break, coming right up that. I also want to talk
about the near miss asteroid and what of you know, how can we actually
be protected from that, because that's that's always a little bit scary, that
whole thing. Anyway, we are ready to go into a break, and
we'll be right back right after these messages. So Mark, let's talk about
your book during this break. We got we got about two minutes or so
here. Okay, Well, the book is um was born out of a
conversation I had back in nineteen eighty eight, no, nineteen eighty three.
I was getting my degree in astronomy. Yes I'm that old. Uh,
And during that time I was talking to the director of the observatory and I
had a conversation with him and said, hey, um, I believe that
the universe is full of life. And he goes, you have to explain
that. What what are you talking about? And I said, um,
I think that the the universe is full of life. I think it's a
populated universe. And I have no idea you know why. I think that.
I just have some logic behind it. And he goes, well,
you're gonna have to explain that logic. So I actually told him, I
said, look, we're carbon based. Creatures were bilaterally symmetric. Everything on
this planet is based on carbon, every life form, and so you know,
to me, that's a template that the universe has produced, you know,
a template for life. And so that that being the case, I
think that maybe we're talking about out the fact that life in the universe is
the rule, not the exception. Um. And he said you finished.
I said yeah. He says, go back in the observatory and get back
on the project. All right, your research project, he meant, and
leave Captain Kirk to us. Now. In eighty nine, I went back
because the first extra planet had been confirmed and he was on the phone.
I walked into his office. He's on the phone. I lean in like
this and he's gotta. He doesn't. He's on the phone. He covers
up receiver and he says it was only one planet, and thus began the
flood of over four thousand confirmed planets now with suggestions that there are potentially minimally
twenty five million and as many as I got a gentleman, because we're coming
back, stand by, you're back, all right, welcome back to the
show. I'm Martin Willis your host. My guest tonight is the great one
and only Mark d Antonio. And we were talking. We're I think we
kind of can finish up on the black hole, that whole situation, although
it's such a still so many mysteries and the different things that happened to sons,
you know, and does this whole thing, you know, fall apart
and then come back together someday, you know? I understand there are certain
stars and a certain state that can last a trillion years with the fuel they
have. Yeah, those are the little percolators I called there. They're the
red dwarfs. They're they're M type stars. Not to be confused with M
class planets and star trek because that wasn't the thing. But M class stars
are very cool stars, meaning they're only three thousand kelvin on their surfaces,
okay, just a few thousand degrees fahrenheit in other words, and the stars
can literally last for trillions of years potentially, and they are the most numerous
star in the entire universe. There's more of those types of stars than any
other. And as it turns out, in looking at the data and looking
at all the signs, it seems we're not off when we suggest that maybe
maybe there's a strong likelihood I should say that there's more planets than there are
stars in the universe, and that's not unfounded based on the science, that's
right. And how many have they discovered? A certain amount of what they
call planets and the Goldilocks zone, yeah, the habitable planets, that's right.
I mean, there's a certain percentage of these that have been discovered that
we can extrapolate to the population of our galaxy as a whole. For instance.
However, the search for planets around other stars, you know, it's
limited only to our galaxy now, but we can also there's there's some research
that shows extra galactic planets that might be detectable based on the way we're seeing
the light change. Because you know, dimming light can be seen for you
know, a long way away, many millions of light years. Even so
in our neighborhood, well in our galaxy, this is our neighborhood, right,
Our galaxy is one hundred thousand light years across or so it's going to
take light one hundred thousand years to cross it, and lights the fastest thing
we know in the universe, and it's still is gonna take a one hundred
thousand years to cross just our galaxy. And there's over two trillion other galaxies
potentially. So that said, all that said, that understanding in our galaxy
alone, there is anywhere from twenty five million at the low end to maybe
as high as twenty billion earthlike planets. That means planets that have the capability
of having liquid water on their surface. That means they're in the not too
hot, not too cold Goldilocks zone. And where those numbers come from,
those numbers come from, you know, not my head. Those numbers come
from studies that have been done by the Italian teams and other teams, and
they're actually looking at the famous Drake equation. Frank Drake had an equation that
he used to calculate the probability of life in the universe, and without being
able to plug in any data for the modern understanding of planets around other stars,
it was a very pessimistic view. However, now with the new data,
the numbers turn out and turn out a different value for the potential planets
around other stars and potential life bearing planets, potential intelligence possibly, and there's
like I said, looking at just the planets that can support life like US
carbon based bilateral symmetric use oxygen to make energy for our cells. That particular
conundrum leads us to those numbers I mentioned. Those are twenty five million,
to say, to say, twenty billion other planets just like the Earth.
And that's just in our galaxy. And then there are those one or two
trillion other galaxies. So it's stupendous, it's colossal, it's fantasticalists, it's
all those words when you make up to describe really cool things. We're getting
that digital noise again. You did so I don't know whatever you did.
Can you do that again so it doesn't come across Well, that's actually you
know what you're hearing, Believe it or not. That little sound you're hearing
is the USB kicking in saying, hey, I'm detaching a USB thing.
Hey, I'm attaching a USB thing, except that it's based on electric charges
that are harrently flowing through my desk here and through the air, probably because
this is Connecticut. It's still chilly here, and I actually have a heater
running in here, which dries the air and makes everything a little bit more
Staticy, I'll try to sit still. No, that's fine. Well,
and so let's let's just talk about a couple of things. Well, getting
back to the planets that could support life and possibly intelligent life. I've asked
this question of a number of people, a speculating question, of course,
and that is why if we are being visited and they are coming from out
there, let's just I'm just going to throw a lot of things out here,
because I never say that I know what things are that are showing up
here. I'm never going to say there's aliens inside. But it's a possibility.
It's one of the possibilities. And so let's just say we are being
visited by an intelligent life from another planet. Why here if there are so
many other possibilities of planets. Well, there's a logical answer to that.
And it comes down to the fact that when we talked to or when you
when you heard from Stephen Hawking some years ago, he suggested that we keep
a low profile, don't expose ourselves to alien life, just sort of high
keep Earth quiet and out of the way, because we very rightly could fear
what they may bring to us. Right. Well, is it turns out
Stephen Hawking didn't account for the fact that the Earth has an oxygen atmosphere,
and the oxygen atmosphere started to build up two point seven billion years ago.
So at some point along the way, a civilization is going to say,
hey, we're carbon based if they are, and we need oxygen, so
let's look for planets that have oxygen in their atmospheres. And we're doing that
now, that's what we want to do. The James Webb telescope is going
to infer that there's oxygen in an atmosphere by looking for carbon dioxide and methane
and if it can see because oxygen, you the spectrum of where oxygen would
show up is in the visible part of the spectrum, and that James Webb
doesn't do that. The James Webb looks at infra red but they can infer
that there's oxygen present based on the quantities of these other materials. So that's
said, we're doing this now, and we're in our infancy when it comes
to finding other worlds. We can't even leave this planet and go to another
world with any kind of speed or any kind of capability. So if another
civilization is only say five hundred years ahead of us, and it's ludicrous to
think that they're not, they're probably going to be say half a million years
ahead of us maybe or a billion years even can work ahead of us.
If that's the case, they would have discovered that oxygen in an atmosphere is
a very important thing to look for, and they would probably have done a
survey of all the stars they can see in the galaxy and said, give
us all the candidates Torg. Torg is the guy that gets a sign that
see in the alien world. So Torg has to go and make a compendium
for the High Council whatever it is on their planet, and that council is
going to look at all these oxygen atmosphere planets and then they have to go
and figure out if they're going to go to them. So you say,
why us well, we have a very very high abundance of oxygen in our
atmosphere, and you would go to a planet that has oxygen for one reason,
not because it might be able to support you, but because it's already
supporting something alive. And the reason is because oxygen doesn't like to stay in
the air and just sort of float around. Hi, I'm an oxygen Atomya
me too, you know, I mean they don't like that. They want
to go down into the crust. They want to bind with other things.
They want to bind with iron and become FE two O three, which is
rust. Okay. They want to go and become other materials to form carbonate
ions or carbonate compounds, you know, like calcium carbonate or magnesium carbonate.
They want to form other things. Oxygen is a tremendous atom for doing that.
It loves to oxidize. So that said oxygen in an atmosphere would be
depleted after just a few million years. And if we have it in our
atmosphere and a civilization is watching this planet and they notice that there's no real
relative change in the oxygen level, what's that tell you? Tells you that
that oxygen is being replenished. H replenished by what it could be life that's
replenishing it. So they'll find that as a this planet very likely has some
form of life. And then tour gets in a metal you know when they
promote it. Yeah, U so yeah, I've wondered about that and that,
James Webb, that will be really interesting. You know, may and
may put SETTI out of business. You never know. I don't know,
but you know, I getta. I also have to add one little thing
too, and that is a lot of people say that, you know,
well, we have a really odd situation here because we have a moon.
Okay, our moon, you see this is them talking about there aren't Our
moon has made it possible for life to exist here. Without the moon,
life couldn't exist. I don't know. This is the moon, okay,
this is uh. I three D printed this moon and this this moon.
Okay. It is sort of oblong because the real moon is oblong um and
it's presence here. I argue it doesn't help us. I think that traditionally
it's hurt us. And because the reason is that people say, well,
without the moon, we don't have tides, right. Wrong, We do
have tides, they're just half the size. Now, why isn't the sun.
That's right, Martin Willis gigs a gold star and he knows, he
knows, you know, what's going on here. So yeah, that's right.
So that's said, you know, he's the guy, He's the guy.
So that said, Okay, when we look at the tides from the
Sun, we would still get tidal pools. We would still get fish left
out into the atmosphere for a period of time and then they have to you
know, wait for that water to come back in, and they would still
adapt to being air breathers as well, because that tidal pool mechanism is what's
thought to have assisted in that process. So that said, I think that,
you know, without the Moon, several things would have changed. First
of all, our orbit tilted the way it is might not have been that
if the initial collision that took the Moon out of the Earth's primordial earth,
as the theory goes, right, we had the Earth, then we had
the Moon blasted out, okay by an impact with another object. Okay,
so this object hits the Earth and boom, this molten blob comes out and
it becomes the moon eventually. But if you noticed on our moon and you
can't really see that there, but there are more craters. The craters have
craters, Okay, on this moon, all right, the craters have craters,
and that indicates that there was lots of bombardment going on, a lot
of things flying around the early Solar System at cloudbered Earth, at Cloud Mercury,
at Cloudberd, Venus, at the Moon at Cloudberd Mars all right,
and the asteroids, well those could never be a planet because of Jupiter.
So really what we're talking about is all this debris flying around in the Early
Solar System is part of what caused a lot of the craters on the Moon.
But when the Moon was formed, at the Brie was formed with it,
and that also is responsible for what you're seeing on the Moon. Now,
the Moon has also got a gravity. Now, this thing is one
six the size of our planet, Okay, our planets a lot bigger.
However, it has gravity, a significant gravity, so that anything that's in
our neighborhood, if it's on the fence about coming towards the Earth, I
don't want. I don't know if I'm gonna go to the Earth. But
wait, there's a moon. I'm gonna go. Because the Moon is gonna
help pull it in. So the Moon is going to add that additional kick
to an object that's in the Earth Moon arena area, okay, and bring
it closer to the Earth and possibly hit the Earth. We've had five major
extinction events on the planet, right so several of them. We had one.
We had several impacts, but some of them were changes in biodiversity on
the planet. But some impacts had a tremendous effect on life. And our
planet is actually very dynamic. Okay. It could have been volcanoes that wiped
out the uh, the would be mammals two hundred and fifty two million years
ago when they were dominant on the planet. Okay, the things it would
become us while mammals, okay, they were dominant. And then there was
this large eruption in what's now Siberia, the Permia, the traps during the
Permian era, and that then once there was once that lava cap was you
know, going once, once that lava went around, the magma went around
the edge of this cap that was formed over this this volcanic area. That
stuff exploded into the atmosphere with many giga tons that's billions of tons of CO
two and almost overnight, relatively speaking, the oceans were toxic and oxygen uh
stopped uh you know, entering the oceans and stopped dissolving into the sea water.
In fact, it came out and a lot of the life died.
The ocean temperatures rose twenty four degrees while the planetary temperature rose twenty four degrees.
So over time oceans followed. So that was that that change caused me
massive upheaval in the life and over several million years that the full weight of
that extinction event hit and mammals were all but wiped out, and another life
form came to the forefront as the king at that point, and it turned
out that they were reptiles. And so way back then, because of that
extinction event that happened all right, an earthborn extinction event from the volcanic eruptions,
we ended up with the age of the dinosaurs. And so that's why
the dinosaurs came to this planet, well, came in to the forefront on
the planet. And then sixty five million years ago, you know how the
dinosaurs were rendered extinct by the asteroid strike off the Yucatan. We call it
the chicks a little impact or the Cretaceous Paleogene boundary event. Whatever you want
to call it, we just call it dinosaurs killed by the asteroid. And
when that happened, that many millions of years ago, that paved the way
for the mammals to have a resurgence and then come back. Hey, mammals
can come back now. And so out of the shadows came what would be
us eventually, and that led down that circuitous path that we followed an evolution
to get to us. So maybe this guy wasn't so helpful to us.
Maybe this guy is the reason that the dinosaurs died. Maybe this guy is
the reason that all the other impacts occurred, you know, So maybe it
wasn't such a help after all. However, I will say that we are
what we are now. We through evolution, through all these extinction events,
looked like this, where these little, tiny, weak, frail things,
you know, and that Startrek episode, ugly bags of water, remember that
kind of what we are in a sense. And so as these ugly bags
of water, we are superior by intellect only, not by structure, not
by not by our force of strength and so forth, so but our intellect,
which brings us to dominance on the planet. So if there's another life
form somewhere else, right that could happen there, that could happen there too.
So maybe in a planet, on a planet that didn't have as many
extinction events, maybe those life forms developed faster and more intelligently. What if
the permanent extinction didn't happen two hundred and fifty two million years ago, we
certainly wouldn't be having this conversation had we had we come to a dominance again
as an intelligent species. I mean, we wouldn't have this conversation on a
little measly computer. This would all be a mental thing done maybe with telepathy
or some type of other process, because we would have been millions of years
along in a species evolution if we didn't wipe ourselves out from something else that's
unforeseen as of yet, you know, or maybe you know, if a
pandemic didn't kill the entire race, which typically they don't. Yeah, clearly
I'm gonna get people worried. Now, Hey, so what about Jupiter?
If Jupiter never it wasn't part of our solar system, would we get clovered
a lot more? To you think? Yeah, that's that's a very good
possibility because Jupiter is what I call the Shepherd of the outer Solar System.
You know, you have Mercury, Venus, Earth, and then you have
Mars, and i'll beyond Mars, we have this this ring of asteroids,
all right, and this ring of asteroids out there, if you've made it
all into a planet, it would be something. And it's only about a
quarter of the size of the Moon, so it's not like it could be
a giant planet. Okay, So that's how much mass is there. So
it doesn't sound like a lot when you break it out like that, but
there's many, many, hundreds of millions of these out there, and some
of them are half a mile long, a mile long, two miles,
three miles, you know, or kilometers you know, ten twenty kilometers,
you know. And so when you go down that path and you think about
that, if Jupiter wasn't there, then something else could have happened. Jupiter
is responsible for actually tugging on the asteroids as it's going around and it's orbit,
okay, it actually tugs on the asteroids as it goes around. Now
the asteroids are closer, so they're moving a little faster. But as Jupiter
goes around, okay, it's actually tugging on these things, and when it
tugs on them, it pulls them a little bit further, you know,
out toward Jupiter, and then they relaxed. Now that's the reason they never
formed into a planetoid, okay, or something the size of the moon or
obviously forth the size of the moon. But Jupiter, as a shepherd,
it's been holding a lot of those asteroids at bay. So it wouldn't be
a good thing for us if Jupiter went away or had never been. We
might have never been because there might have been other potential problems that happened because
of those asteroids out there. Maybe they would have become a moon around another
planet. But on the other hand, okay, and this is why it's
such a tricky question really, on the other hand, because Jupiter's there,
it has been holding the asteroids sort of in place and keeping them, you
know, in their own little channels. But sometimes there are problems, and
sometimes asteroids do get away. For instance, the chick's a little impact the
one I just mentioned the Cretaceous Paleogene boundary, the death of the dinosaurs.
Okay, that was sixty five million years ago, right, so that asteroid
did hit us. That may not have been a near Earth asteroid for its
entire time. Obviously it was. It was a near hit asteroid. It
was a major hit asteroid at one point. But before it was that,
and before it was a near Earth object, it was out in our asteroid
belt and it got perturbed or disturbed as another word for that, and moved
here. And they think they identified the asteroid family as something called a Florian
uh, And the Florian family of asteroids is one that could have spawned this
uh, this killer rock that ended up striking the planet. But really interesting
studies get to read on and you have to you have to spend a lot
more time trying to learn about it. But you know what, you don't
want to put people to sleep, now, do you. Well, what
about this recent um what's it called? Twenty twenty JJ came been fairly close?
Yeah, twenty twenty JJ was a near Earth object we called an eos,
all right. And the nice thing about the thing about twenty twenty JJ
is it was really kind of small. So at the size of twenty twenty
jj H, the asteroid didn't really stand a chance of hurting us. Okay,
it kind of snucked past us, all right. It flew about forty
three or forty four hundred miles over the Pacific Ocean, and it ended up
passing really really quickly by us. Now but only four thousand miles away.
You say, wow, that's just like that's like twice a distance from Connecticut
to like Arizona. You know, yeah, maybe just about that's that's that's
pretty close by. But again, it was only like nine between nine and
twenty feet long. And if you're like worried that we don't know exactly how
big it was, well you can also be worried about the fact that we
didn't see it until it was already in here and practically passing over us.
That's when it was found. The thing is, many of these asteroids have
been seen before, they've been cataloged before, but their orbits had not been
determined fully. But between nine and twenty feet for this asteroid not a threat
to us. I mean, something like that would burn up in the atmosphere,
you know, so not a problem. But and to our credit,
we do find some of the bigger ones, right, But there are ways,
and you know, there are ways, for instance, to avoid an
asteroid strike. Let's say let's say that we did find that there was an
asteroid it was going to strike us, and let's say that we wanted to
make sure it didn't happen. Well, NASA certainly does track these objects that
are dangerous, right, and they keep a list. It's called the Centry
list, you know, centry se n t r Y, And the Centry
list has these dangerous, potential dangerous objects on them until the orbits can be
calculated and we can tell whether it's ever gonna orbit orbit orbit, and then
pow. If it's never gonna hit us, and we see that it's not
going to hit us, it is taken off the list. But if it's
going to hit us, that would be a problem. So far, there's
no no asteroids on the list that are going to hit us. And so
every object that's found, it's gonna go on like a list and until its
orbital elements are found. And one of those those are just the parameters which
tell us what kind of an orbit it has. Most likely it's going to
be an elliptical orbit. Sometimes on these really really highly elliptical orbits, you
know, where it goes faster at the ends like this and then slow in
the middle around the gravitational Park, you know, and those types of objects
when they are when they're coming toward us. Sometimes we only catch them a
little by the time we might see one or two shots of it captured on
a survey somewhere. Mount Lemon does surveys. The ATLAS telescope in amount of
Chaia does surveys. ATLAS stands for Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Last Alert System, and
that that particular sular set of telescopes find things like comets. In fact,
in skytro a live stream, the the companion stream to the radio show on
KJR a skytro a live stream in our observatory, we actually show people live
at night. We showed them the commet, and we show them things moving
through the sky. We watched an asteroid moving through the field of view just
a few nights ago, and people watched it and we talked about it,
and you know, I told people all about it and asked they had questions,
and so you know, these nearer objects, okay, are just a
fascinating pile of rocks that are potentially dangerous to us. Now, should they
have something happen to them, say they collide, Well that that think that
that thing could actually end up being having its orbit changed into a dangerous spot.
So we have to have a way of getting rid of asteroids that are
going to be a threat to us, and there's a few ways to do
that. One of the ways is you've heard this, I'm sure, launch
a nuclear weapon at an asteroid and you know, hit it and then blow
it to pieces. Well, not a totally good idea, but not a
terrible idea either, if the alternative is for this giant rock to hit the
Earth. But we have to understand something else about some asteroids like Benu,
okay b Nnu, like asteroid Benu. Asteroid Benu is more of a rubble
pile held together by its mutual gravity, and if you were going to strike
it, it would just blow this rubble out into all different directions, and
that rubble going in all different directions could end up striking the Earth with not
just one asteroid object, but with one hundred thousand objects that might actually be
you know, or more that might actually heat up the atmosphere, cause fires
all over the world, and send us right down the path of another extinction.
So we have to be careful. So a nuclear weapon fired at an
asteroid not the best idea. Another possibility is a nuclear weapon fired near an
asteroid and letting the pressure of the radiation pushed to nudge the asteroid. Not
as good as the third option, which is to actually land on the asteroid
with a little tiny rocket nozzle and use the asteroid's regularith or soil to make
your own fuel. You bring some with you and then fire the rocket and
keep firing it for like ten years, and little by little what that'll do
is that'll nudge the asteroid off its course just enough so that when it comes
in it's gonna miss the Earth and not hit the Earth. So the nudging
process is something that's probably you use that if you had access to the data
to show that this asteroid was out there. You know, well that is
really really interesting. Yeah, I've heard it a couple of different theories of
you know, how you can kind of through gravitational ways just move something off
its track just enough. Now, we have a ton of questions for you.
They're coming in from all different sources from Amanda's helping out. And that's
Amanda, my co host. Yes, that's right, Hello, Amanda,
Thank you so much. But I told someone way back that I would hold
I'm going to hold their question because it has to do with the UFOs,
And for right now, I'm just going to ask a couple of these,
and one of them is I think it's an interesting question. Is it likely
that black holes are permanent? And can they create wormholes? So I'm combining
two questions. Yeah, no, that's that's okay. Um, black holes
are not permanent. Uh. They they evaporate. Uh. Now, the
smaller mass they are, the sooner they will evaporate. But a very large
black holes like the one in the center of our galaxy, which is a
supermassive black hole, a black hole like that, although it's uh, although
it's evaporating as well, it's also gaining more mass too, with interactions potentially
with gas and dust near the center and possibly other stars us as these stars
passed by. Uh. And that central black hole is called the Sagittarius a
super noo I'm sorry, a supermassive black hole. And in that particular black
hole, we've actually done a ten year study, I say we the astronomers
that study did the research that did a ten year study, and you can
actually see the orbits of the stars. You see them orbiting going around this
thing. That's that's that's like, you don't even know what it is,
you know, because there's nothing there, but they're orbiting it. And we're
literally seeing stars circling around and orbiting the supermassive black hole at the center of
our galaxy. It's really incredible. So so the black holes do evaporate,
but if they're gaining mass by you know, leaching off of nearby objects and
stars, well then that's gonna really obviously short Lengthen the time it helps be
around, they're gonna evaporation is gonna take a lot longer. So black holes
aren't permanent. Very interesting, let's see, Kevin wanted to know why won't
our space agencies release or even use high res images for civilians. U LA
launches gun camera videos that type of stuff. Well, actually, Google Earth
used to have all high res when you looked at it way in the beginning,
you could zoom in on a Google Earth image and the image was pristine.
I mean we're talking full resolution. But then as Google Earth grew,
they ran into another problem. And the problem had nothing to do with the
NSA, nothing to do with NASA, and nothing to do with governments anywhere.
It had to do with computer storage space they had to worry about how
much memory many say this way disk space on these big servers were being taken
up. And then they had to worry about access times and speed of access
of the data. When you had not just thousands of people looking at the
data at the same time, but then hundreds of millions looking at the data.
Companies utilizing the data every day into the tune of millions and millions billions
of terror bytes of data potentially in a short amount of time. Now,
the data pipeline to get all that data out to you the civilian is gonna
take forever. So in order to streamline and keep it a viable product,
they had to reduce the resolution. Now, one area where you can go
to see the full resolution data is actually not of the Earth, but it's
actually of the Moon, okay, And I can teach you that. That
is the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter data set. And you find that by looking up
in Google Tara. Look up l r O quick map, l r O
Okay, Lima Romeo Oscar, l R quick map. All right, just
quick map, and when you get there, you go in and now you're
free to zoom in on the Moon all the way down to being able to
see things about fifteen to twenty five feet across, and that's really cool.
Now they'll be stripes of areas, there'll be stripes of areas that are not
in yet, but from most of the Moon you can see it. Which
is why talking about the UFO subject a little bit, which is why I
feel strongly that if there's intelligent life out there and that they have found that's
which I believe they have, that they will be in our oceans and not
hiding on our moon trying to look at us from say the far side.
We have the far side locked up. You know this, This three D
print of the Moon I have here has every single crater on the far side
in ultra detail, and the actual digital model shows many more details that the
three D print can't even show. And the LRO quickmap will show you all
those details down to about twenty five feet across on the far side, everywhere
on the moon. So if you're an alien species, you're gonna look at
the Moon and say, yeah, well, they they got a lot of
ships orbiting this thing. Let let's do something else, I know, Let's
go where they are not well, where aren't they? And this tourg again,
that darned Tord. He shows up everywhere. Torg says, well,
we're not in the oceans. I mean they go up and down in the
oceans, and they have submarine thingies which kind of go a little bit into
the ocean, but not far. Okay, if the ocean is this deep,
you know, they're only about that deep, you know. And so
we can be down here somewhere, and we can hide in the oceans.
And that's exactly what I think they've done. I think if they're here,
they're going to be in the oceans. And this kind of goes along with
one of the legend from the Kimberley region of Australia from like five thousand years
ago or so. I think it's the Wagina. The Wagena were a people
that came from the stars, lived under the waves, unto the ocean,
and had mastery of the water. And uh, there's a myth that is
only myth because there's no proof. Obviously, there's a myth that says that
two boys were torturing an owl and in retribution, the Wagena flooded the lands
and sent the tsunami to their lands. Now that could just be a tsunami
story that was you know, embellished or whatever, or if you look at
it carefully tortured an owl. Well, if you put a gray alien next
to you, certain types of owls, they kind of look similar. So
the owl could be what would be called a screen memory, and the alien
creature, okay, would be masked by this screen memory potentially. I mean,
I'm not saying that that's what happened, but I'm saying it's possible,
and it's kind of an interesting myth actually. So they would still hide in
our oasts, I believe. Yeah, and you, I don't know if
i'll have time tonight, but you can tell a little story about the incident
you had on the submarine who If we have to time, we'll hit that.
But I got asked this question a long time ago in the chat room,
and again, we're gonna be taking calls in about twenty twenty five minutes
or so. The l GEO the laser interferometer Gravitational way of Observatory. I
guess it's operated by cal Tech and MT There's someone in the chat that said
that that should be able to detect UFOs coming in and out of our system
our atmosphere. Do you know anything about that? You know, here's the
thing with Lego. Okay, there's several Lego detectors. There's one in Hanford,
Washington, there's one in Louisiana. And there's a complementary instrument called Virgo
in Italy. These three instruments rely on light that's coming to us, the
high energy light, and timing the difference in time that it takes the light
to reach these different facilities. And within each instrument we can calculate where this
energy pulse we see is coming from. Now, the Lego detectors would have
to be working in concert to see a source. You know, if one
Lego detector detects it, then that makes it problematic. That's one observation.
You have to have more than one to be able to figure out where it's
coming from because of the time differential and also something called dispersion. Too much
to get into here about that, I think, but suffice it to say
that I don't think logo would be sufficient. I think you could get away
literally no, lie, one of these. This is an iPhone. You
might have heard of these, and the iPhones actually can detect gamma raise and
you can actually if you cover up your camera, you can actually get a
gamma ray detection application. And I don't know how accurate it is, it
seems like it does work. I did try this, and if we can
detect gamma raise, then then we're looking at a potential incursion into our airspace.
It's a very localized thing, you know. So we like I work,
as you know, with Douglas Trumbull, who is the guy that did
the special effects for A close and Concerts of the third kind Blade Runner two
thousand one of Space Odyssey. In fact, so the man is a genius
Academy Award winning visual effects guy, but he's also a scientist in hiding.
He wants to find the answer to the UFO conundrum. And so we came
together on that basis and then discovered that, hey, you have a special
effects business. Yeah I do, He goes, well, and you need
to work with us, and we've got all kinds of things to do,
and where we've been. We've been talking several times today already because we're working
on a movie on Nicola Tesla and we're going to be creating some really cool
visual effects stuff to to shoot. So but that says he Doug and I
have started a project that was originally called Euphotog two, and it's a methodology
to find incursion into our airspace by extraterrestrial species and intelligent species, if you
will, and using instrumentation, so beyond it'll be beyond, for instance,
the subjective view of a person watching with their eyes or was saying wow,
look at that with their cell phone camera, and it will actually take it
to the scientific level where it's just data and now you you can interpret that
data anyway you want. But it's not going to be just one instrument.
It's gonna be like five different instruments that are sensing the sky. Spectrometers,
okay, deciphering signals coming from the sky to see if these are transponders from
aircraft or something else, Listening for gamma rays, looking for other types of
radiation in all together, for one observation of one object scene in the sky.
If that one object has you know, some of these traits, then
we say, hey, that's pretty cool. And does it mean that's an
alien spaceship. No, it could be something else. But we're going to
deploy these things in tryads triangles, equilateral triangles. So we'll be able to
have one talk to another and then talk to another and say, hey,
between you three, did you see this thing up in the sky. If
they say yes, then we know that the thing was far up in the
sky. But if they say no and only one st then we know it
was local down low and we can't triangulate a distance or anything. But if
only two of them see it, then we'll be able to triangulate how fast,
how high, and etc. Which way it was going we can get
but we can't get a lot of data that we would need. But they're
all going to be listening with these different instruments on each of these we call
them platters, And you've talked to is. Now we renamed it because when
you had the word UFO in the name, no one wants to fund you,
man, So we're calling it the Aerial Anomaly Detection System. Ah,
I didn't know you even changed that. Yes, I remember I had someone
not did not want to show up on my show because it had the word
uf in it, but up was okay. Yeah, you know, and
maybe we could say UAP detective or something like that, but you know what
um aerial Nominally he's kind of a cool, Yeah, kind of cool.
But you know, I hate to say it, but you know what,
to get funding for these things, you have to be as much a marketing
guy as a scientist. You know, you really have to know about marketing.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to make that, you know, to
make the two work together, you know, So Doug and we're trying to
do the science and we need another guy to do the marketing, or another
person, another human being of any kind. Well, we have a lot
of non UFO questions in the chat, both chat and again I'll remind everyone,
and just about fifteen minutes or so, we're going to open up the
lines. But I want us just say on the UFO topic for just a
couple of minutes, and what do you think it would be a place to
set something up like that instrument? I mean, because it's such a fleeting
you know, this UFO. You know, you may see one in Arizona
one time, and then you know someone sees one in another state or whatever,
another country. Us just a fleeting thing. It's very hard to know
where to set something up. How much of a range would something like this
have, Well, it would have the range of the entire visible sky in
all directions, you know. Uh, so if that if it's sitting on
a mountaintop, it has a slightly higher uh you know distance that it can
look. Uh, if it's in the valley, it's going to have much
less. Um. But they can go anywhere. Um. We actually I
designed one for the ocean too, and it would actually float on a bomber
and the action of moving up and down would actually charge its batteries. It
would let wave action charge the batteries on board. Um. And uh,
that one is that one's for the you know later. We want to get
the land version done first. But I think you know, the one in
the water is not going to look up at all. It's gonna look down.
Yeah, it's gonna look down. So we're gonna plant one. I'd
like to see one planted over some of the deeper water and see what we
can find, because you know, if we see a strange signal coming from
deep under the water and we know that it's not like a US submarine or
something, and it may very well be something else might be a interloper into
our atmosphere. Well, while we're on this topic, just quickly, for
the person that's never heard the story, if you can kind of do it
in a condensed way. You're submarine and count the yeah. Sure. And
you know, the nice thing is, you know, most people who know
me know that I do a lot of work for the Navy. In fact,
I've got that little thing right there you're seeing right here over here.
This is a submarine model that I'm actually building for them right now. And
I just sent out a ten foot one a little while ago, you know,
So we do a lot of work for the Navy, so as such,
sometimes you get opportunities. I had an opportunity to want to sub and
I went for this ride on the sub if you want to call that,
and it was really kind of cool. It was the most funny had getting
c sick, to be honest, because submarines are actually you know, there's
cylinders. Okay, there's cylinders, and they rock and roll on the surface,
but underwater, you don't know they're moving. However you feel right now
in your homes or in your place of business, as long you're not driving
in your car the way the way you feel now, you can barely detect
any emotion. That's what it feels like. Underwater, you don't know.
But to get to where we were going. Before we went underwater, we
actually were rocking and rolling for quite a while. So I got sick.
I didn't get sick sick, but I got sick enough that I had to
go sit in the side area off the control room, which was called the
sonar shack. And I was sitting next to a kid in the sonar and
to make a long story short, he basically said that there was something on
the sonar and he called the executive officer over. The executive officer looked at
it and said, you know a few things like the burying the range,
And then he looked at it and said, well, how fast was that
movement? And the kid was incredulous because he had never seen anything like this
before his first time. He was a fast mover virgin, if you want
to call that. Okay, he'd never seen these things. I hadn't either,
and I thought that it was a torpedo, and I thought I was
going to die because I accepted a ride on a submarine. And the kid
turned to him and said, several hundred knots. So in English, several
hundred knots that means several hundred miles an hour under water, Okay, That
perked my That perked me up. So um, the kid didn't know what
to do with it, because the sonar operators is supposed to be able to
classify everything they see, but how do you classify that? Well, there's
no way. So what did he do? He kind of goes like this,
like like I couldn't see his face. He's turned away from me,
and the XO was on whose face I could see, And the XO just
told him, okay, log it and dog it, and the kids said
sir, yes, sir. And I was like, what what? What?
And I got up and went over to the XO and I said,
XO, I'm kind of familiar with these fast movers. Is is there anything
I can help you with in this? He looks at me, he goes,
mister D'Antonio. Yeah, I go yeah. He says, you're having
a good trip so far, Yes, sir, I am, He goes,
let's keep it that way. And that was that, not to be
mentioned ever again. But several years later I had to do a job for
the Joint Chiefs. All right, and people know the Joint Chiefs, you
know, the report to the President of the United States. Well, I
had to do a job for the joint Cheese and I brought this job down
to one of the chiefs, and the chief and I were sitting alone,
and I said to him, probably shouldn't have. I had the words going
through my head and everything, don't say it, don't say it, don't
say it. And while I'm thinking saying that, the words come out,
well, can't tell me anything about the fast mover program. And I'm thinking,
oh, I can't believe I just asked that because they called it a
fast mover on the boat and the the the kid, uh, I'm sorry.
The the the guy said to me. What he could have said was
I don't know what that is. What's that? You know? In retrospect,
maybe he should have he could have said never heard of it. Maybe
he should have instead he said, oh, I can't talk about that program.
I'm sorry. I drove back from Washington like this bridge, you know,
wow, wow, oh car, I mean was like hardly paying attention.
I was so pumped up by that because that told me that the US
Navy is seeing things they don't understand. And then just a few weeks ago,
I happened to cross an article from the US Patent Topics that talked about
granting the US Navy patents on hypersonic underwater and aerial vehicles. Yeah, m
related. Is it possible that it was around when I went on board the
sub? What year was that? I can't talk about the year, but
I can tell you it was decades ago. Oh well, really you have
to keep everything like that in this particular case, and well before this technology
should have existed. See, so you tell me what it means. Did
they reverse engineer or something? Oh? I'd love to know, wouldn't you?
That would be really something like you would? I know you. I
can see it. I can see my webcam. Sorry, there are there's
so many questions here. How would you detect a vehicle that manipulates manipulates gravity
to operate outside the local space time? That's an interesting question. I think
that that for a vehicle to do that, to manipulate gravity, requires huge
amounts of energy, and you cannot mask the usage of energy. All right,
You're just going to see this this, this whole where the energy should
be, all right, effectively, so to see that that that process is
very likely going to release other types of radiation in the process, all right,
Among them might be hawking radiation, which is notoriously difficult to detect and
costly. However, an analog to it is the gamma rays we talked about
earlier. If we can see gamma raise, it means that there's probably one
of those technologies in play. So if we have a localized event, say
you see a light moving through the sky right and all of a sudden it
winks out and you get to burst a gammerag on your detector when that happens,
that is thus smoking gun. And that's exactly what we're after with the
aerial a nomaly system, and it's what other people are trying to do as
well. I encourage it. You know, this isn't something where we're gonna
circle our wagons around our data and say it's mine. You have to pay
to have it, you know, Doug and I want the world to have
it. This belongs to humanity, It belongs to everybody, and if we're
fortunate enough to be able to capture this data, then we want to make
sure that the world is fortunate fortunate enough to actually see the data, and
we would make that data freely available. So we're not looking to make a
business out of it. We're not looking to parlay it into a you know,
a TV series or anything that we're looking to get the data because we
want to know the answers, and if we get the answers, humanity should
get the answers. Don't you agree? I agree? I agree. I
think so. I think we're visited. I think we're being visited. It
it seems to point that way, you know, And there's just so many
they're just so many things that are totally unexplainable in any even any technology,
especially when you look at the history of UFOs going, you know, things
doing what people are saying, oh, it's going to be you know,
government secret aircraft or something like that, experimental, But they're talked about the
same things happening forty five years ago when that would have been impossible. I
mean, what was seen on that submarine at that time could very well have
been a black project, but kind of hard to believe that because the technology
back then, the science wasn't there that we know. I agree, Well,
wouldn't wouldn't they not test something like that without alerting a submarine? In
fact, I made that point a couple days ago directly, I said,
yeah, they would, they would unleash this on their cruise. When you
talked about the Nimitics incident, Okay, if that was a black project,
if that was a hypersonic vehicle being tested from the patents, Okay, let's
say that was it. They wouldn't tell the Nimits that they're going to be
doing testing of this vehicle. They're just gonna send it out there and see
how the air crews react, See if the air crewis can capture it,
see if the air crewis can lock onto it, see if they can shoot
it down. They're gonna try all those things. They're gonna see how viable
the technology is to use against an adversary. And to do that, they
can't let on what they're doing to anybody. Wow. And so they test
it with the greatest air cruise in the world, and that's the American Air
Force in the air wings of the air carriers. See. So I think
that those guys are probably the ones that are gonna, you know, experience
these black projects, but not know that's what they were, you know.
And I'm not saying that the Nimits incident was that at all. I think
that there's there's plenty reason to believe that that's not true. There was a
case where this tic tech object, you know, Fraber said in the Nimits
and center. As you may some of you may recall, this tic tech
object descended down toward the ocean surface, and when it descended towards the ocean
surface, a frothing on the ocean uh began to arise. And then when
the tic TAC took off, that frothing effect went away. Now, that
could be one of two things. The technology this thing was using the fly
caused the frothing near the surface of the water, or the frothing was caused
by another object underneath coming up and they were doing some communicative thing. They
were talking to each other, doing something. They'd have technology to to to
do that, I'm sure, but water has a way. With electromagnetic signals.
You have to come up into a shallow area. You can't send the
radio transmission from deep underwater. You can't. You know, it doesn't work.
In fact, they were they were lying on sonar and they would use
sonar microphones and tell us the sound microphones, Okay, to actually communicate deep
in the ocean. They actually use sound. They actually talk into a headset
and the headset communicates a sound wave down through the ocean, which penetrates far
more than radar, for instance, or any other kind of radiation that because
sound wave isn't radiation, you know, So that that kind of thing is
still I think a problem for us, but it's also likely going to be
a problem in general for other beings. So maybe they had to come up
to a shallow depth to be able to communicate or discuss something, and then
they took off, And wouldn't that thing on the under the water very likely
be the same type of thing that we saw on the sub something that can
move several hundred knots underwater unimpeded, like it's not even there. Yeah,
that's incredible. I mean, it's a stunner. It's a lifetime stunner,
and it has been. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Michael asked
about the laser induced plasma effects being used by aircraft ships to create decoys.
I read about that the other day. It looked like a UFO, or
some people could report it as a UFO, look like something like that.
Yeah, what was he asking about it? Let's see, I guess he
wanted to know if you've heard about it only in passing. I actually have
not you done that any research on it? And I don't know a whole
lot about that. And are you going back on the Discovery Show contact?
Oh, I don't know. I mean, I they they haven't talked to
me about coming back. I know I did the final episode of season one
with them and it was kind of fun to meet Mike and Mike. You
know, they're great guys. You know, one's a history you know,
one's a former Special Forces guy, and the other one's a history professor or
a medieval history of medieval warfare professor. Wow. Yeah, really really nice
guys. Yeah, I'm opening up the line since we've had so many people
ask questions. So you'll see that number and YouTube, you'll see that number
up on your screen. It's eight five five four seven two five four eighty
three and Bill will be standing by to take your call. Eight five KGr
A live here you go. I think you've said that a few times.
Yeah. So there's another one. When you're saying the word they are you
talking about US? I don't know if I don't know what this discussion was,
but they wanted to know if you're talking about the Air Force of the
US Navy or another entity. Yes, Okay, that's clear now. No,
No, Actually, when I talk about they, typically, when I
talk about day, I mean to say potential extraterrestrial life. That's here.
If I'm talking about Navy, I'll talk because I'll say Navy. If I
talk about air Force, I'll say air Force. I don't typically use the
collective they with armed services because it is important to differentiate between the two,
between the different types of services, and my focus has always been really with
the Navy. I don't and have never done a lot of work at all
for the Air Force. Never done any work for the Army, although it
came close a few times I've worked with I've worked with other agencies, but
not not the three letter agencies like everybody thinks I did. And at one
point I was doing little projects for some of those you know, ancillary agencies
tied to them. But I did. Actually I did deliver a briefing once
to the director of the CIA. I gotta say that, and that sounds
pretty impressive. I know, you know, I'm really something. I'm plugged
in. Except I was an intern and I was in Washington during high school
and we drew Straws to see you had to drive out to Langley. I
didn't want to do it. No one wanted to do it. I got
the short straw. I had to drivel Langley and delivered and I ended up
meeting with the associate associate deputy stand in possible senior director as the guy that's
like on the chain but still has a really impressive title. So I didn't
actually meet the director. Okay, there's people in the UFO arena who say
they have the director of the CIA on speed dial and all that, and
it's like, yeah, Okay, I know who you're talking about. Yeah,
I don't know that that's entirely possible, but it could be. You
know, I can't take away that might be true, but the likelihood is
not there. Yeah, we have Andy calling from Connecticut. Andy, welcome
to the show again. Andy, can you hear me? Bill, I
think it's possible. We have a problem with our own system. You clicked
on there, Yep, it's on ear now. He's on ear now.
So Bill, just keep in mind something's happening to our It's not coming through,
so uh so we'll just keep on moving on. Hopefully Bill can figure
that out. Martin, just use your telepathy for crying alone and just yeah,
I know it's it's a little rusty tonight. I would try it,
but we have plenty of questions we're coming in like left and right, and
just see if I can pick up one of those. But well, if
not, let's let's go into a topic that I wanted to talk about,
and that is just another mystery that's not UFO related, but dark matter and
dark energy, because I think it's pretty interesting when you think about the what
we know, rocks, planet, stars, all that stuff, it's only
like five percent of what's going on out there. Then there's dark matter,
and then there's dark energy like makes up the majority of it. And the
puzzle of it all is what has always intrigued me and and the thoughts and
um, I was just reading something about was it axions as a possibility of
dark dark matter you know the sub particles. Yeah, yes, there's there's
There was some commentary in the literature that states that dark energy might not actually
really be needed to explain anything, but it depends how you embrace the research
that said it was there in the first place. And it has to do
with the expansion rate of the universe. Okay, and so when you when
you look at dark energy, for instance, where does that come from?
Well, in the twenties, Edwin Hubbell, famous American astronomer, he was
actually studying the galaxies farm way and he noticed that these alexies are receding from
us at a faster rate the farther way they are, and he was able
to deduce an expansion rate of the universe, and an expansion rate became known
as the Hubble name for him, constant. Well, the Hubble constant.
Turns out it it's not constant. The Plank telescope and other studies showed that
the rate of expansion has been accelerating. And if they're accelerating, that means
that means that the expansion is getting faster and faster and faster every second.
Basically, Now, what could possibly explain that thirteen point eight billion years after
the Big Bang that started at all? Well, it turns out that dark
energies actually postulated because of the fact that the explanation of this expansion has to
come from somewhere. So it wasn't toward the guy I've been telling you about,
because he's an alien and he's somewhere else. But it was probably some
of these people that were trying to think of ways to explain the accelerating expansion,
and so they thought of the concept and saw if it worked out,
and it did oddly enough, I mean serendipity, you know, you think
of something and hey, it worked out. Well. It turns out that
the expansion rate of the universe, if you think about an energy that causes
not objects to expand, but the very space that they're in to expand,
it actually just expanding space all around it, the dark energy is. And
so that means that the acceleration due to this energy that's expanding the very space
will cause this accelerated expansion we see. And that's where the concept of dark
energy came from. Isn't that nice an element tree? No, it's not.
It's not very intuitive, okay, but you know the concept of the
universe expanding, however, is has always been has been plaguing people with problems,
and one of them is if you look at for instance, um uh,
say you have object in space and you look at it, and you'll
get another object in space. Every single object is moving away from every other
object in the universe. Wait a minute, what how can that be?
What if they're closer to us. Well, how can that work? Well,
you might think that you know that that can't happen. Well it does.
And if you want to see it happen, all you need is a
balloon and a sharpie. You get a balloon in a sharp You take your
balloon and put little dots on it. Okay, And Amanda Curran, who
has been helping you tonight, did this and a video on her site on
her YouTube channel to show this concept I was trying to put across about the
expansion of the universe. And you put dots on this balloon, it's not
blown up, and then you blow it up and you watch the dots.
You'll see that every dot you put on that balloon is moving away from every
other dot as the universe expands, as the balloon expands. And that is
the basic concept of universe expansion. And so I think that's something that's really
crucial to understand first before you can start thinking about accelerated expansion. So once
you know the universe is expanding, then you look at the fact that it's
actually going faster and faster, and the causes are this energy inside. It's
like someone is blowing harder and harder and harder every second into the balloon and
causing this expansion to increase. And that's that someone is actually the some thing
and it's the dark energy which is causing the space itself to expand in every
direction. So that's dark energy. And I'm telling you if you're still here
and not like, if your brain hasn't popped, well then you know we
can go to the next one. Yeah, well I I we have Andy
back on the line, and we figured out what the problem was. Um
so who would you have muted? Yes, that's exactly it. And anyway,
no I had I had kg R A muted. But anyway, Yeah,
there's just so many mysteries and makes you wonder if we haven't figured there's
something we have figured wrong about gravity or gravity reacts differently. But I don't
want to you know, we'll take on Andy first and continue to talk with
Andy. You're on the air, Welcome to the show. Excellent, Hi
guys, there is Well my question for Mark is uh I think he touched
on this earlier when he when he referenced his thinking that went into his book.
But given that we seem to find life in the most unlikely places,
we look here on Earth. I'll just bang off a couple radioactive waste,
hot springs, and undersea volcanic events, incredible pressure and temperature. The Mobile
Cave in Romania back in eighty six. It was five million years cut off
from sunlight and is filled with poisonous gases. Life is thriving there, the
surface of the iss and on and on. So give given those facts,
is it not likely then that life is actually ubiquitous in the universe and not
rare. We just don't have the ability to get into the details on what's
happening on these new planets. They're discovering water marks. Thoughts on that,
I think he probably would agree, Andy, I totally agree with the underd
percent. In fact, as a matter of fact, the subtext, the
subtitle of the Populated Universe that book I wrote is life and the Universe may
very well be the rule, not the exception. And it's based on those
that very same predict that you mentioned that I base it on. Everywhere we
look, we see the building blocks of life. And one place you didn't
mention, another place that was cut off for a long long time, is
in Antarctica. It's Lake Vostok. Lake Vostok is a mile or more between
underneath the Antarctic ice, has never seen the light of day in many,
many years, has been cut off for I actually forget the amount, but
for quite a I won't say. I don't know how many millions of years
it was cut off, if it wasn't hundreds of thousands. But the bottom
line is that lake has more than thirty five hundred different species of life within
it, all working within the small, frail ecosystem that is Lake Vostok beneath
the Arctic ice. Now, the pressure is immense under all that ice,
and then you have the weight of the water on top of it. Okay,
Yet, if your life you evolve into that, you don't know any
different. Right, we evolved into fourteen point seven pounds per square inch on
our bodies, every square inch, pressing every which way because we evolved here.
This is how we evolved. We don't even think about it, but
we're actually feeling the weight of the air over our heads up to space,
the weight of that air all the way. A column of air over your
head a square inch is going to be fourteen point seven pounds of air over
your head. Okay, overall, Now, that's quite a lot, you
know. And other planets have less atmosphere, like Mars, and other planets
have a lot more like Venus Okay. Venus is ninety times as dense as
ours. Titan Okay has a lot more atmosphere than the Earth. And Titan
is only about three thousand miles across compared to the Earth being eight thousand.
So I agree with you. We see the building blox of life everywhere we
look, the deep ocean vents. Had we not found life, you know,
and you probably know this too, Andy, had we not found life
at these sulfide chimneys on the ocean floor, we probably wouldn't have thought that
we could have life at Europa Jupiter's movement, or Enceladus, Saturn's moon.
Yeah, Cassini saw these fantastic fissure looking hot spots at the south pole of
Inselidus. This is telling us that we're seeing hydrothermal events. We're seeing hydrocarbons,
we're seeing carbon, we're seeing carbon dioxide, we're seeing hydrogen. We're
seeing water spewing out of these from subterranean oceans, oceans beneath the ice caps.
How phenomenal is that? And that's a Jupiter and Saturn. Okay,
And you know people think, wow, you know, you know that's far
out. I mean, how could how could it be warm enough? Well,
Europa has a possibly a sixty to ninety mile deep ocean underneath that ice,
and it's warm because of the fact that as Europa goes around, it's
in a it's an orbital residence that's called with Io and Ganymede, and as
it goes around those those moons are tugging on it, and so is Jupiter,
and it causes it to do this kind of thing as it's moving,
all right, And as it does that, it actually heats up from the
friction. And you can do this with a piece of clay that's hard,
right out of the refrigerator. Take a piece of clay and you start squeezing
it and squeezing it, and within about twenty minutes that clay is soft and
pliable. Now why you're squeezing it, you're doing what gravity does. You're
squeezing, tugging, and pulling, and by that time that the clay warms
up, it's pliable and beautiful. And that's what's happening underneath Europa's surface.
The ice is cracking, the ice is fusing back together. We're seeing geysers
actually on Europa, if all the data is right, we're seeing hydrogen and
we're seeing oxygen and other compounds coming out of Europea's geysers. This, as
you point out, Andy, probably is pointing out the fact that life is
indeed ubiquitous throughout the universe. In I think, I know, I run
the risk of being what's labeled a carbon bigot. Yeah that's right, But
as a carbon big it, I can tell you that I think that the
universe provides a template for carbon based life here and everywhere. And as I
say, it happened here and it could happen everywhere. Commets deliver carbon based
compounds, media's deliver carbon based compounds, and asteroids deliver carbon based compounds,
and these compounds will then be part of a process to create the oxygen from
life and from geological processes. Once we see the little tiny bacteria that form
on our planet like they did, then at that point the oxygen atmosphere builds
up. And when that happens, now the opportunity for a radiative outward explosion
of life is available. And I think that this is something that happens everywhere.
Maybe it happened under Europe's surface, don't you think? Yeah, yeah,
it's highly likely. I can't wait till we can get there and look,
you a clipper and I'll take your hands off the airmark. But you
would know better than I. What was the robot that we landed on the
past the Japanese and landed on that passing asteroid? And then are there plans
to do anything else in the near future that you know of? I know
that, Um, thank you, yeah, sure, no, thank you
very much for the call. Excellent questions. Um, I think that you
the robots that landed on the asteroid, right Ugu, Okay, I can't
I don't remember their names. There are more acronyms than than names, I
think, but I could be wrong with that. But they landed several of
these and the gravity on this asteroid was so small, so slight. As
a matter of fact, I don't have a I had a digital print of
that asteroid to show you when I don't know where I put it now,
but I'll use the moon. So the the the the gravity was so slight
on this asteroid that the the the way the thing moved around was It just
had a little bar and just went dunk. And when it was like that,
it moved the thing off the asteroid. It was just like a little
bar that just swatted the asteroid. And when it did that, the thing
flew off the asteroid and then came back at a different place. Not very
efficient, not very well, not very steerable actually, However, it did
the job and it brought it to various places. And um that that was
that mission all right, was essential because it was telling us the complexities of
the asteroids makeup and chemistry. And then we of course we have the sample
return that's going to be coming uh from there, and we have a Cyrus
rex at Benu and Osiris rex is near and due to me because one of
the people that worked on it was a Catholic nun who I didn't know was
a Catholic nun when she was here at my house, and because she doesn't
dress up like one, you know, she's all unfortunately passed away a couple
of years ago. But she was someone that said I have an interest in
the Hubble space telescope. I said, oh, I can show you some
pictures. Oh, I'd love that. So I went down I made some
pictures. I actually printed her some beautiful digital copies, brought him up and
presentator with these things. And I'm telling her about these things, right,
I'll tell you why this relates to Osiris Rex in the minute. So she
actually said to me, oh, those are beautiful, you know, And
I said, these are yours. You may have them. Oh, thank
you. And then her companion, another Catholic nun who was a relative,
actually started to laugh and he go, what are you laughing for? And
she looks at me and she goes, she's an astro physicist. And I
went, what what? Yeah, Sister Mary Ellen was an astrophysicist. Work
that Goddard, okay? And I didn't know that because she never talked about
it. She never crowed about it. But she was the only human in
history to ever land an actual probe on an asteroid. She was she was
working on the Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous near and she was the one who helped
land this asteroid, land on this asteroid and uh on o Cyrus Rex.
Uh. I immortalized her because when when the Osyrius Rex team was talking about
including a little uh micro dot with the names of all the people I sent
in a little memory and photos of sister Mary Ellen, and they put it
on for us that it was really nice. So it's sitting out there an
asteroid. Uh you know, Benny who o Cyrus rexes and uh, Mary
Ellen is there. I think it's pretty cool. That is. I can't
imagine the calculating that would have to be done to land on an asteroid.
I mean, it's just mind blowing it is, and we don't necessarily get
it. Right. Look at the landing on the commet with the Rosette mission,
right, the Rosette mission was fantastic. It showed us views and chemistry
of a commet we never knew. Okay. And then there was a little
lander that was being deployed called fil At you know phi l Ae, right
fil A, And it went down and it went to land in the asteroid.
And what it's supposed to do is it supposed to land. It was
supposed to engage these hooks that would then hold it down to the asteroid because
yeah, I'm sorry the comment, because the commet was so low mass and
so low gravity. But instead they either didn't fire or that it was ineffective,
and when it hit it just bounced off and It continued to bounce for
hours until it ended up lodged in a crevass on the Rosetta commet, which
was actually a comment triumov Grusimenko, which is commet sixty seven p p meaning
periodic, So it'll be back. Wow, amazing, that's just totally amazing.
Hey, someone wanted to know, are there any plans to ever do
any more deep field? Um, you know, pictures like the Hubble did
home. Yeah, I don't know. I've not I've not seen any of
the dockets. I haven't seen any of the programs to know whether. Uh.
And I know I haven't read any of that information. Uh, you
know, I I've been focusing on our observatory to try and just get astronomy
to the masses, you know, and get people out there. Um.
And you know, I think it helps to have an astronomer who is also
a full, full on believer in extraterrestrial life and thinks they could be here.
I mean, I don't see any reason why not. The sheer numbers
of planets out there seems to negate uh, negativism about this object this uh,
this this possibility. Um, when when we're sure, I think I'll
well we'll say we can take one more call if someone them like to call
in that numbers up on the screen eight five five four seven two five four
eight three. Um, so we'll take another call if you'd like. But
what you know, what sparked your interest in actually taking a look at UFOs
and what they could be in the beginning? How old were you and all
that? I was probably around twelve, Yeah, and I'll tell you why.
Um No, I was eleven, I'm sorry. I had seen a
rocket launch, and the rocket launch was a rocket launch to disseminate some die
in the upper atmosphere. And I saw the results of this in the sky
and I went absolutely crazy. I couldn't believe it I was looking at.
So I ended up I ended up, you know, looking at this,
this potential thing in the sky. Is it possible? Is this UFO?
What am I looking at? And that got me so interested, so excited
about something I didn't understand, Okay, that I ended up pursuing this and
I found out it was a sounding rocket releasing a particular material into the upper
atmosphere to create false auras to do studies. Blah blah blah. Okay,
that's fine, not bad. For age eleven, but I ended up being
someone that ended up deciding I wanted to investigate these types of these types of
anomalies. And then I went to the library, because that's what you did
when I was eleven. And I got on my little bike and pushed down,
pedaled down to the library, and I saw that there were some advertisements
for this group called the Midwest UFO Network. Wow, the word UFO that
jumps right out of me. I want to learn about that. So I
started reading about it, and then I basically asked my mommy to subscribe me
to this Midwest UFO network. And I remember the very first letter I got
from what would then become move Fun. It was moved on then, but
just different meaning. Was this this card signed by Walter Andres, the guy
that founded the Midwest ufhone network, running out of his garage with file cabinets
and lots of paper, right, and that card had his name on it,
signed name, actual sign in blue pen. And that great card stayed
in my wallet until just a few years ago. Okay, and I had
to change wallets because it dropped in the water, and I thought, oh
no, I gotta change walls now. So when I changed the wallet.
I get to the my ID card from move On and they go to pull
it out and the images there on the plastic sheet, but there was no
card. It had long since disintegrated. I didn't, you know. So
I was in move On since nineteen seventy one, which is about two years
after it started. That is totally amazing. And do you still do a
lot of the analysis and video analysis. You have time to do that I
do, and I get calls and talked. I have to do that every
day, you know, And that's certainly what I do. I've got some
active cases now that people have asked me to do, and I have no
problem doing it. Um you know, it's it's my first love. Really.
You know, I've never strayed from the move On organization. I know
it has its ups and downs. I know there's pitfalls, there's problems.
There's always politics, there's things or this, or's that. You're gonna get
that anywhere unless you're a lone wolf going at it all by yourself. You
just accept the good with the bad. You take what you need and you
leave the rest. That's what I do. And have you like I remember
we had this conversation and I do have to tell um, I do have
to tell the listeners this if I hadn't said it before. But I remember
a driving out to Arizona, and when we've met a whole bunch of times.
But when we were out in Arizona, I drove out from Maine,
which is I'll never do again, and there was a picture taken out the
window and I said, oh my god, there's a disc in this picture.
And I showed it to you, and you looked at it for five
seconds, and you said, I think there's something on the window. So
I went outside to my car and I looked, and sure enough, there
was a little little pine needle, like a little piece of a pine needle
on the window at an angle, a perfect UFO. Yeah. But a
lot of stuff like that happens, right, yeah, Yeah, And those
are the common things. And I wasn't trying to, you know, disable
your intent to go searching for the truth or anything. I was just trying
to point out quickly and efficiently. I was broken. I'm so sorry.
I was trying to point out fast, you know, so we could move
on. I know that you know the questions out there, the question is
going to be answered if not by Doug and I doing the aerial anomaly system,
by other people working on similar systems. I do think as we move
forward, we have to understand that when we leave the planet someday, and
we have to because the Sun is going to run out of hydrogen someday,
and when it does that some days, not next year or ten years,
it's it's like five billion years from now, so don't start packing yet.
But when it does, the Sun's going to swell into a red giant.
And when it does that, Earth is going to likely get swallowed up to
mercury. Venus are going to go that way. Earth is going to go
that way we have it's going to hit our orbit even But this is wonderful
too, and in such a happy note, I said, five billion years,
buddy, don't you. Yeah, thanks so much, Mark, And
we have to run. So go talk about where someone can find your book
and the title real quick in your website. Yeah, the book is actually
called The Populated Universe as a very attractive red cover. That's not a very
tractive picture, but that looks like someone in fear. That's also when I
was ten pounds heavier too. But it's on Amazon. You can find it
on Amazon the Populated Universe, and I've gotten a lot of people who have
read the book, and I would like to very much thank my editor,
Tara, who lives in Arizona, who actually edited a lot of the errors
out for me. I also want to thank Mary Anne, who is in
Arizona as well. Right, yes, she is orchestrating the build of my
observatory out there for skytch Er live stream. I hate to say it,
but we're out of time, Mark, Yeah, thanks so much. All
right, all right everyone, So that's it for the show tonight. Thank
you so much for listening. We'll be back next week with Randall Nickerson.
We're going to be talking about the Ariel phenomenon. I want to thank everyone
so much. I'm glad being the streaming service worked well, and we'll see
you next week. Remember everyone to keep your eyes to the sky.