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Liz. Well, now it is
time for us to get into this

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week's episode of Dragnat and here we
are going out of order a bit play

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this true Dragnat Classic nineteen fifty three, Dragnet had really become a cultural sensation,

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and it also made the jump to
television, and Joe Friday and his

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two partner Frank Smith were set to
appear on the big screen in nineteen fifty

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four in the first Dragnet movie.
Write the film, Web brought in Richard

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Breen. Richard Breen had written for
Web on his San Francisco based hard boiled

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detective series Pat Novak for Hire.
Breen, like Webb, had found success

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in Hollywood. He had already garnered
an Oscar nomination as well as two Writers

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Guild of American nominations. Breen agreed
to write the film, but he wanted

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to write something else. He wanted
to write a new Dragnet Christmas Special.

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Breen was an observant Catholic and he
hated the existing Christmas special, which Webb

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had done for four straight years on
radio and had also done on television,

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and that was Breen's motivation for writing
the script, and in doing so,

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I think it's safe to say he's
admired by every writer who has ever hated

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something they've seen on TV. Here, let me fix this for you.

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The relationship between Web and Breen was
such that Web agreed to it, and

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Breen promised he would write a story
that was both reverent and also true to

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Dragnet in that it would be based
on an actual police case. In this

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case, according to Michael Hayes's book
My Name's Friday, Breen based it on

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a case that had happened in San
Francisco in nineteen thirty So there you go.

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Story was actually a big event.
It was the only Dragnet story to

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premiere on radio and on television the
same week, and the television broadcast was

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in color, only episode of the
nineteen fifties series to be broadcast that way,

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although the color print does not survive, and of course, the episode

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would be remade as part of the
nineteen sixties Dragnet series in nineteen sixty seven.

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And we'll talk a little bit more
about all that after today's episode,

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But now we've talked long enough.
The original radio broadcast eight was December the

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twenty second, nineteen fifty three,
and the title is The Big Little Jesus.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the story you're
about to hear is true Dragnet.

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You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned
to Burglary Division. You get a call

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that an important piece of religious art
has been stolen from the oldest church in

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Los Angeles. There's no leed to
its whereabouts. Your job find it.

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Dragnet the documented drama of an actual
crime. For the next thirty minutes,

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in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police
Department, you will travel step by step

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on the side of the law through
an actual case from official police filence,

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from beginning to end, from crime
to punishment. Dragnet is the story of

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your police force in action. It
was Wednesday, December twenty fourth. It

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was cold in Los Angeles. We
were working the day watch out a burglary

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division. My partner's Frank Smith.
The boss is Captain Bernard. My name

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is Friday. I'd gone across the
street to buy stamps for some Christmas cards

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I was sending out. It was
nine fifteen when I got back to Room

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forty five, Burglary. I sat
out at the table in the squad room

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and I started to address the cards
when Frank walked in carrying a stack of

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Christmas boxes. Hi, Joe,
all right, Christmas cards. Huh A

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little late, aren't you? Well? I wasn't going to send him out

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Monday. But we had that stake
out. You ought to get married,

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Joe. Yeah, it's the only
system. They does all that stuff for

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me, laundry, mails, cards, only system might help. Brought in

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your present. I won't open it
now, No, I'll wait. I

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always opened a couple of day before. Why well, I'll put you in

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the spirit ahead of the time.
I opened fills this morning. Who's he?

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Play's brother in Denver gave me a
magazine, one of those funny ones.

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What do you mean, a comic
book. No, one of those

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funny ones, you know, No, I don't, Frank. Well,

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some of the pages have holes in
him you look through when there's a picture

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you're on the next page. Oh
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stand. They have cloth pasted in
cloth in the ads. If you want

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to buy a suit and they have
a sample right there, you mean you

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can feel it, reach right out
and feel it. It was one for

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two hundred dollars a suit. Sure
cloth comes from Scotland once. It made

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out of solid gold. No,
they got a special kind of goat over

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there. It's real smooth, not
a goat, Frank, a sheep.

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Well, it's a special kind of
sheep. Then, because the suit costs

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two hundred dollars, you're gonna get
one. I told Faye. She said,

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where the sample? Anything doing fanning
and pryor we're in on that market.

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Hold up, they come up with
anything, pound of air, nothing

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else. I hope it stays quiet. I got more shopping to do.

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I finished. What you get in
stationary set? Some paper and envelopes,

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leather binding, Joe, you'll never
learn what's the matter? No woman wants

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a stationary set, get or something
personal? What's got her initials on it?

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No? No, you want something
more sentimental, romantic, but you

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get fair. It's different in her
case. When'd you get paid sewing machine?

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That's romantic? Well, there's in
the way. Why didn't you buy

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our catchers man, Gregory Freddy.
Yes, that's right, you have the

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right department. All right, father, we'll be right down. No,

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you can tell us about it there. Goodbye. The Old Mission Church they've

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had a theft collection money statue of
the child Jesus. Frank and I checked

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out of the office and rode over
to the church at the corner of Sunset

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Boulevard and Maine. The Old Mission
Plaza Church founded seventeen eighty one, the

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year Los Angeles became a pueblow.
The outside was typical early Spanish design,

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complete with mission arches. It was
made of adobe and painted white. They

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called it the Queen of the Angels. The pod raised from down in Mexico

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building. The devout Mexicans and towns
still attended services there. Ten o five

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am Frank and I crossed through.
The courtyard used to be the old stable,

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but the Spanish priest changed all that
when it became a mission. Stonemasons

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paved his stable floor and made it
a courtyard. They planted grape vines,

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trees, and flowers. A young
priest crossed the courtyard to meet us.

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He'd been sitting on a stone bench
reading his morning prayers, as priests had

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done here for one hundred and seventy
two years. We asked for Father Xavier

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Rojas, who communicated with us.
We were told he was inside. We

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entered a side door. The church
seemed to glow with the hundreds of votive

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candles flickering on both sides of the
alder and at the shrines. Throughout.

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The church was empty except for a
few people praying surrounding the main order were

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several old oil paintings and gold frames. The air was heavy with the scent

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of advent flowers. We found Father
Rojas up near the sanctuary looking at the

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Nativity scene. He told us about
the crib. It was a seventy dollars

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duplication of the scene at Bethlehem.
The parishioners had taken up a collection for

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it thirty one years ago, was
put up every year on December twenty second,

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and taken down after the holy season. Was beautiful, except that one

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of the shepherds had lost an arm
when the sheep was old and cracked,

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and the infant Jesus was missing.
Father Rojas led us back into the sacristy.

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I'm sorry to bother you man,
all right, father, especially now

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the holiday season. We cash our
checks. Father, no one and tell

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us what happened or what you think
happened. I discovered the statue was missing

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right after the six o'clock mass.
Save at six. Yes, I started

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over to the rectory, didn't stopped
by the crib. Was the statue there

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before mass? I don't know,
but it was there last night. How

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late is the church open all night? You leave it wide open so any

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thief can walk in particularly paved,
Sergeant. You say it was there last

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night, father, how late ten
or eleven clock? We had confessions.

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No one saw it after that.
One of the altar boys, he says

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it may have been there. He
thinks it was. Did he see it?

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He's not sure. What's his name? Pardon? Here's the schedule.

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You'll find the names for every mask. There was there a big crowd at

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the six o'clock mass, father,
not too many. Seven's the big one.

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People on their way to work.
Did anyone stay after a mass?

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Did you know this? Not especially? I came back here, took off

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the vestments. I suppose it was
ten or fifteen minutes before I went back

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in the church. It was empty
then. No people were coming into the

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seven o'clock. Are these the alder
boys, James Corneen and Joseph Heffernan.

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That's right, Joe's the one who
mentioned it might have been there. Did

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you check with the other priests,
father, before I called you? None

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of them knows anything about it.
Just for a check on the pawnshops.

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How much the statue worked in money? Well, that's the point in pawn

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shop's, father, only a few
dollars. We could get a new one,

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but it wouldn't be the same.
We've had children in the parish,

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they've grown up and married. It's
the only Jesus they know, we understand,

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and we've had children who died.
It was the only Jesus they knew.

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So many of the people who'd come
here as simple people, they wouldn't

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understand such It would be like changing
the evening star. We'll do our best,

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Father, That's why we've mean so
much to have it back for the

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first Mass son Christmas. It's not
very long, Father, less than twenty

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four hours. Anything turns up here. You know where to get in touch

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with us. Yes, sad,
isn't it? How's that? And so

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short a time? Men learn to
steal? Yes, but consider us,

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father, hus. Some of them
didn't you and I'd be out of work.

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Ten fifty am we notified pawn shop
detail. Frank and I checked out

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the two Allar boys. The first
one, James Corneen, said he knew

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nothing about them as in the statue. The second one, Joseph Heffernan,

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was not at home. His father
said he had a part time job.

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You have n't get in touch with
us. Right after lunch by eleven thirty

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am. We'd run out of book
procedure. We had a man to find

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our only clue. He'd been to
church. Eleven thirty three am. We

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checked the phone books for the names
of religious stores in the area. Two

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of them were closed. We tried
the third. When we got there,

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the only person in the store was
an elderly man sitting by a table.

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In front of him was a large, beautifully carved chess set. We're police

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officers. My name is Friday.
This is my partner, Frank Smith.

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Neat to see you copy in the
middle of a big chess match. Where's

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your partner? Sanos? We've been
playing for years, same match. No,

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just two or three months on this
one. But a man was We've

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been playing different matches for years.
I see you know, he do it

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through the mail. I send him
a move, he sends me one.

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Keep you on your toes except during
the holidays. Mail gets all fiddled up.

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That's no good. Yes, not
slow us things down, that's no

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good. I like to catch them
off guard. You, mister Flavan,

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do you know we never met?
Your Name's on the window out front,

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mister Flavan. We checked the other
two religious stars in this neighborhood. They're

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closed. It's the best one anyway. European items. We're checking the stores

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around the Mission Church for what statue
of the child Jesus? Do you have

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one we could look at? Sure, no, sir're a larger one.

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You don't want a larger one unless
it's for the church. That's where you

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want a larger one. Could we
see it? Please? It's not my

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dude to butt in, but unless
you live in a big place, this

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will make your living room all the
kunder. Yes. Most of the people

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who go to the Mission Church trade
here, good, many of them,

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specially to kids. White kids,
more religious. Check on yourself, see

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if kids are more religious than you
might be. So that's what's wrong in

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the world. Oh, I don't
mean you're wrong with it and everybody?

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Yes, sir? What if we
could take to the point, mister Flavan,

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Sure a lot of people from the
Mission Church come in here. Do

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people ever come in and sell back
a religious article like a prayer book or

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rosaries? Yes, sir? Second
hand? You mean yes, sir,

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not since I ever been around.
It's silly why people don't have religious articles

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so they can get rid of them. They happened so they can happen.

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But if a man had a statue
and wanted to sell it, he'd come

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to a place like this, sure, but he wouldn't want to sell it.

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He would if it was stolen.
No, sir, if a man

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wanted to steal a statue, he'd
be crazy or something like that. The

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only place he'd want to go is
where crazy people are. You may be

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right, mister Flaman. I don't
know what you fellas are looking for.

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But if it's somebody who stole the
statue, he's crazy and you won't find

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him. You won't find him as
long as you live or in a million

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years. That should cover it.
We check religious stores out as far as

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Van asked. We asked the same
questions. The owners gave us the same

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answers, but none of them were
as encouraging as mister Flavan. Frank and

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I had lunch and reported back to
the office. It was one thirty pm

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when we started into the squad room. The capital is just coming out.

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I just checked Brian A Luntrum and
we've been out on that. Theft of

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the mission. Make it some action
on the Patterson case. They locate him.

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I think he's on the bus from
Sacramento. Well that means the Bakersfield

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police. We'll wait and see.
Wow, are one of your fellow serjects

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Friday? He is, I'm Drew
Heffnon. My father said you wanted to

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see me. Sit down, son, You didn't have to come in.

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A phone call would work. My
father said to get on over. He

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says that any kid that uses phones
is lazy. We want to ask you

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about this morning. You served six
o'clock mass. Yes, sir, I'm

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seeing you. Boy. Do I
get the sixth you're a senior and you

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take the early trick? Yes?
Sure, that way. If you receive

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a communion, you get that breakfast
sooner. Father Rojas says, you think

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the statue was there before a mass? I didn't look, but I have

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a feeling that was there, a
feeling, you know how you have a

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feeling about something, but you're not
sure. Did you stay around long after

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a mass? I put out the
candles and hung up my surplus. How

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long would that take? About five
minutes? Maybe? Did any of the

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people at mass stay on him?
Some moms do, especially ladies. Oh

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maybe they don't finishing time or else
they start new prayers. I don't know.

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So when you left there were still
some women there, No, sir,

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that was at first. After I
went back to the sacristy, there

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was only this one man. What
man? He comes at six o'clock all

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the time. Do you know his
name? No, sir, but he

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works down and off you know all
paint shop or the paint signs. Could

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you describe him? Short? Medium, were in a suit that didn't match.

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Didn't match, you know, different
pants than coat. About his age,

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Oh, he's pretty old. Take
a guess about forty. Maybe there's

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nothing particular about him. Then why
did you notice him? I've seen him

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before. And the bundle, I
guess the bundle out in front. I

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saw him when he was coming out. He had this bundle and he almost

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dropped it. How larger bundle?
Hard to say? Come on, son?

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Was it large or smaller? Size
of the statue not that big?

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Yes, sir. We located the
sign shop. The suspect didn't work there

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anymore, but we discovered his name
was Claude Strup. We found out where

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he lived. Two twenty five pm
we arrived. There was a hotel for

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men, mostly old man, mostly
down on ours, was called the Golden

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Dream. Police officer. We're looking
for Claude's troop. Ope Claude didn't get

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any trouble, so the way is
he in? He's got room three h

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seven. You can check if you
like. We'll take your word. Were

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you one this morning? M YEA
have the early shift? Well, we

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don't have shifts. My uncle owns
the place on the shift? Did Stroop

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spend last night here? Came in
about eleven? When did he leave this

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morning? Round six? Maybe before? To come back after eight o'clock or

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so, then left supposed to be
back at ten and pulls this trick?

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What trick? Our program? He
knows the other fellas need him. Program

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be here at the hotel every Christmas. We have a program, put up

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a treaty and sing and mostly old
fellas singing like that makes them remember back

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when they were kids. And Jimmy
Finn comes on. He shares number four

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o nine. His family once had
a lot of money, so he tells

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the fellas about it, stories about
Christmas, how they had this big log

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and his grandfather used to start it
up. After dinner, everybody turned over

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his plate and there underneath was a
twenty dollar gold piece, brand new one

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Stroop came in this morning. Did
he have a bundle? I didn't see

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him come in, he said,
you saw him. I saw him go

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out after, but not come in
when was at eight. If you want

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to look for a bundle, I
could give you his key. We don't

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have award. It's all right.
I know about police. It's all right

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with me. It's not with us. I didn't mean that. I just

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meant it was alright with me.
Jean. We lost little on the past

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of steam Man. When there were
three old men. They couldn't tell how

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much better they would have been with
Stroop singing the fourth part. Somehow you

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didn't care. This was Christmas at
the Golden Dream, and it sounded fine.

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Cross was through well when the ol
man came inside, calling with you.

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This is the last rehearsal. I
got most of the songs down.

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Pat sounds pretty good. That's why
Game Claude isn't here. He's tenor and

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they need him to make it sound
just right. This troop have a job,

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no, sir, he used to
have jobs. Not much lately though.

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You say where he was going?
No, no, he should have

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fellows need him. But he comes
here. What do you call us?

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Sure? And not say anything to
him. That's right. I hope it's

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nothing serious for Claude. He fell
his troubles out to be over troubles way

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back, wouldn't count tell us anyway. I don't know much about it as

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much as you know. I come
on. It was something back where he

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used to live, rob somebody or
something, what else, that's all.

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It was a long time ago,
away far back. But he forgot it

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all or robbing and everything. No, not quite m he remembered it this

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morning, God very man, jes
same on this day. They went back

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to the office and ran Stroops name
through R and I if he'd been booked

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anywhere. We had no record of
it, at least not under that name.

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Four or fifteen pm pawn shot detail
reported back. No object resembling the

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statue of the child Jesus had been
turned in. Four eighteen pm. I

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hung up the phone. Patterson's on
a Sacramento bus. I thought Baker's peel

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had it. They were supposed to
confirm they did up over the station.

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What about Panning and prior? They're
still out, Well, they'll be back

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soon. When's the bus arrived six
o'clock? There's plenty of time. For

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him to make it. There's more
time for you. We're still in that

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theft, Kenneda. Wait, No, what is it? Ten fifteen dollars

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statue? When's the price determined the
case? I realized it's a church statue,

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but that doesn't give a priority.
It's important to them, Captain Joe

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and I promised to get it back. What do you got on it?

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Nothing much? And Wire is a
big herder. When no, don't say

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anything. No right, Claude's true. He just walked into the hotel.

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He's our suspect. Nobody's leaked to
him. No, you'll keep you can

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run him down tomorrow. It'll be
too late then I need it for the

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first Mass in the morning. Skipper, it's kind of a big thing for

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them. I'm sorry. I can't
juggle details around. So you can get

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a statue back if there's time later
on. We'll do our best, Yes,

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sir, you better get over to
the station. Yes, sir.

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When you call Father row housover commission, tell him we're too busy to work

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on that statue, but we'll do
it later tomorrow or when we get a

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chance. I can't you call it. Well, we better get over the

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station. If Patterson's on that bus, we don't want to miss him.

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All right, I'll call him alrighty, yeah, I can send finding in

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prior. You might as well stand
another thing. Whenever you say, Kevin,

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you are listening to Dragnet, the
authentic story of your police force and

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action. Four three pm we arrived
at the Golden Dream Hotel. The desk

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clerk was right, Claude Stroup looked
like a man who at his troubles at

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bargain rates and named Claude Stroup.
Yes, police officers, we like to

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talk to you. I didn't do
anything against the law, honest, I

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didn't do anything against yeh, I'm
been accused. I want to take you

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downtown. We like to talk to
you. I said, I'm not going.

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I'm not going anywhere. I'm not
going to talk to anybody. You're

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half wrong already. Five point fifteen
pm we returned Stoop for interrogation. He

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kept his word. He refused to
six oh five pm Frank called Fay total

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he'd be a little late. Stroop
didn't move for a whole hour. He

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sat and stared, but he didn't
talk. Six forty pm we got a

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final report from pawn shop detail.
The shops were closed, there was no

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statue. Stroop still hadn't talked.
Don't you ever want to go home?

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Stroop? If I was to talk, you wouldn't let me go. Depends

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on what you'd say. I'd say
it wrong and I wouldn't get home.

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You won't it this way either.
I'd like to go. You compete on

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that. This is a seventh year
we had the program, and I never

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missed a one and a single one. Why don't just tell us what happens,

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Troupe. How would I know you'd
let me go? You wouldn't.

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I might as well anyway, all
right, what happened from mass on?

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Well there was mass. I came
out and started down toward the hotel back

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up. I left my stuff at
the hotel, and then I picked up

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Georgia's car. I didn't steal it. He said I could have it any

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time I wanted. At this time, I didn't ask him. I took

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it and started out. Yeah,
I should have asked, but I just

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didn't. I went over to Grand
Avenue for the Christmas bulbs for this fellow

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seals, and second hand it was
coming out of the lot. But I

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did it. Yeah, the bumper
must have caught the other car didn't leave

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too big of death, But there
was this long scratch. I got off

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and tried to wipe it off with
my handkerchief, you know, spit on

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a line. Only didn't do nothing
good. I didn't think anybody saw.

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I don't know how you Fellas found
out about it. I'll check out our

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records, right strip. We didn't
bring it out here to talk about that.

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We didn't know. There's a statue
missing from the church, the statue

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of the Child Jesus. You mean
I took it? You took a bundle

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out of church. Guess sir.
That was my other pants for the program

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tonight. I had a place sewed
up and there was a button on it.

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You can check. But I wouldn't
take a statue. I don't think

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you would either. He's cleared out
of records. Want hope for the program?

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You mean it's all right? Good
Night's drew a right Merry Christmas?

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Where too? Well? I don't
know. We could stay and work on

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it tonight. It wouldn't do any
good. We won't find it, I

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don't think so. Now he's kidding
the priest build his hopes up as we'll

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go tell him now. Merry Christmas. Seven twenty seven pm. We found

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Father Rojas. Frank told him how
it was that we couldn't get the statue

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back by morning, but that we'd
keep trying during the week. He said

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he understood. We told him we
had to get on. As Frank and

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I started to leave, the doors
at the main entrance to the church opened.

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It was a good two hundred feet
away. It was hard to be

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sure, but it looked like a
small boy drawing a bright red wagon behind

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him. When he got closer,
you could see he was no bigger than

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a pint of milk. It was
a luminous side little Mexican boy with a

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face as young as yesterday. The
priest seemed to know him. Akito.

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In the back of the wagon was
the missing statue of the child Jesus.

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He picked it up gently and walked
up to the priest are the He just

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stood there, looking up at Father
Rojas. Spaco Mendoza, the boy from

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Paris, ask him where he found
him, Bundel contrasting, here's a Maniana.

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He didn't find it. He took
it. Why okay, too,

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restaur I leave Histores, I leave
his l flemto Riahi in Mikos. He

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says, all through the years he's
prayed for a red wagon. This year

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he prayed to the child Jesus.
He promised that if he got the wagon,

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the child Jesus would have the first
ride in it. And he wants

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not I the devil will come and
take him to Hell. I'm sure department

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pole noel v he says, Ama
pakitomucho. We crossed over to the sanctuary.

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With the help of Father Rojas.
The young boy replaced the infant Jesus

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in the rightful place the crib in
the Nativity scene. Thank and I could

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have been wrong, but the small
plasters statue seemed to approve. Mary Joseph,

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the wise Man, Gaspar no Kior
Balazar, the old shepherd, the

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young shepherd, the peasant, they
all seemed to approve. The priest told

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the boy to go home. He
took hold of his wagon started the long

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walk out of the church. There
wasn't much we could say. There wasn't

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much to say. We just stood
there and watched him go. Halfway up,

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he turned to look back and he
went on out. I don't understand

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how we got that wagon today,
don't kids wait for Santa Claus anymore.

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It isn't from Santa Claus. The
fireman picks old toys and kids them to

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new children. Parquito's family, they're
poor. Fay five. The story you

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have just heard is true. The
names and locations were changed. You have

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just heard Dragnet a series of authentic
cases from official files. Technical advice comes

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from the Office of Chief of Police
W. H. Parker, Los Angeles

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Police Department. Welcome back, a
quite classic episode with a very different feel

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from the normal Dragnet. It has
some points that are artifacts of its time.

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I actually went and watched the nineteen
six eight version because I wasn't sure

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that they use that line about the
dad saying that boys who use the phone

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are lazy, but they'd ad deal. I think the core of the story

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spoke to something more timeless. Over
the years, many Christmas specials, some

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good and some bad, have decried
the commercialism of Christmas. This is kind

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of the opposite side of the coin. Rather than complaining about apartment stores and

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big interest and big corporations, this
holds up the example of Christmas observed by

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those who have very little. A
little boy with a repaired second hand toy

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a group of down and out men
giving their all to prepare for Christmas and

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sharing a humble meal and stories of
better days. They celebrate even though they

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are poor. But are they father
It's a simple but profound question that the

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episode leaves the audience to ponder as
a mystery. There's not a whole lot

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here, and obviously they don't even
really solve the case. But it's a

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story about Joe and Frank being drawn
into this world and understanding that, even

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though there's not a lot of money
involved, that this is an important case.

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It was unusual at the time for
Friday or his partner to push back

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on the captain, but he does
hear, and it's a good question.

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When does the money determine the importance
of the case. The question ties into

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the theme that the season is about
things greater than money or financial value in

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terms of the production itself. In
his book My Name's Friday, Michael Hayes

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cites two things that he found were
distracting problems with the episode. The first

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goes back to a problem that during
the Golden Age of Hollywood, many people

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failed to comprehend the difference between Portuguese
and Spanish last names, and that people

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from Brazil and Portugal speak Portuguese.
Now you can be ignorant of this,

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and you can get through your life
without ever knowing this, and odds are

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you will never have a problem as
a result of this. Jack Web was

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not so fortunate. As the program
was being filmed and recorded, he discovered

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that the young actor that he'd hired
was of Portuguese descent and couldn't speak a

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word of Spanish. He had to
learn his lines phonetically, and according to

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Hey, this came off as to
Wolden. To me, I never saw

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that way. I always interpreted the
way he delivered it as him being nervous,

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just because sometimes when I'm nervous,
I can come off a little staff.

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The point which I do agree with
Hayte on is that Friday is just

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way too harsh this episode. Well, I think it's understandable that he's racing

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against the clock, so he might
not be patient. This behavior, in

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some ways was just totally against the
sort of personality that Friday had shown.

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I mean, he was getting rough
with everybody, the desk clerk and even

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the altar boy. I'm in the
place of the altar boy in this episode,

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I'm really afraid that Friday is gonna
nail me to the wall for something

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if I don't deliver with my best
guess as to the size of the bundle

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versus the size of the statue of
the child Jesus really quick. Of course,

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Breen had written hard boiled crime stuff
like Pat Novak for Hire, and

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I think he was kind of leaning
into that approach with the Dragnet episode.

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It's a bit distracting here, but
his inability to get Friday's voice right as

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listeners had seen and heard it since
nineteen forty nine, and Web either being

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unwilling or unable to rain his friend
in would lead to bigger problems in the

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nineteen fifty four Dragnet film. Guess
is another story. On a more positive

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note, One of the things I
noted is how many people were cast in

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both the nineteen fifty three and sixty
seven version of the story. In addition

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to Jack Webb, Harry Bartel,
Herb Vigrnt, and Ralph Moody appear as

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Father Rojas, the desk clerk,
and mister Flavin in all versions of the

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story. There are details that did
get changed in the nineteen sixties version.

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In the nineteen sixties TV version,
for example, Claude Stroup works at a

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mini golf place, and when Friday
presses the older boy on whether the package

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was about the size of the statue, he's dialed back the intensity about two

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or three levels, so it's not
so out of character for the good sergeant.

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Otherwise, the nineteen sixty seven broadcasts
remains pretty much the same, and

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I think with those three actors,
he recognized that those performances were perfect for

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what the script required, because he
is refreshing for an era when the work

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of actors, particularly the work of
old radio actors, was often disregarded or

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as seen as disposable or replaced.
And seriously, could anyone else but Ralph

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Moody play mister Flavin? Web knew
that the story needed to be remade for

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technical reasons. Even if the original
nineteen fifty three color print had survived,

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there were many technical complaints with it
and it couldn't compare to what they were

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able to do in color in nineteen
sixty seven. He certainly recognized that there

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were some minor tweaks that could be
done to the script and perhaps to his

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performance without doing any harm to the
story. The core of the episode was

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beautiful, and that didn't need to
be updated or changed. In fact,

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it was more needful in nineteen sixty
seven than it had been in nineteen fifty

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three. Now, the world was
not a perfect place in nineteen fifty three,

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a country was just coming out of
the Korean War, but there was

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a level of upre evil, division, and uncertainty that was really palpable in

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the United States during that era.
I think of it in the same sort

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of class, not obviously on his
grand a scale, as the nineteen sixty

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eight Apollo eight mission and the reading
of Genesis, in that it provided hope

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and reassurance to a troubled world and
perhaps still can today. Well, now

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we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we start out with Liz,

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who writes, thank you for your
continued stewardship of this material. And then

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we have a comment from Betsy over
on YouTube and regarding the episode the Sullivan

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kidnapping, Betsy writes, Ben's accent
used to drive me crazy until suddenly it

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didn't. Now I even like it, And regarding the episode, she said,

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good but sad episode. Well,
thank you so much, Betsy.

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There are definitely a lot of bad
and over the top Texas accents in old

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time radio. I don't think Barton
Yarboroughs is one of them, in part

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because he comes by it honestly,
as he's actually a Texas native. I've

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never heard him being interviewed, so
I can't say what his natural voice was.

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It definitely seemed to be the default, even in roles that wouldn't necessarily

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call for someone to be Texan,
although I did hear one or two episodes

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where he wasn't voicing a Texas accent
the whole time, and it was odd

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he could do it, but I
knew Barton Yarborough was in it. In

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one episode it was revealed at the
end he was secretly a Texan the whole

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time, and then we got the
Texas accent. Well, now it's time

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