WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.200 If you're a first time listener to the twilight Zone podcast and you've chosen this 2 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:09.199 episode as your first, just awad the warning in the lead up to Sailing 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:14.119 Fest, which has taken place this year in Bingham to New York in September. 4 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:18.879 The show is on hiatus for the summer, so to keep things taking 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.519 over every week and going to be picking shows from the archives over at the 6 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:29.920 after Hours Club on Patreon at Patreon dot com slash twilight Zone Podcast. Now, 7 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.320 the shows over there tend to be quite different from the main Twilight Zone 8 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:38.479 podcast over here in that they are more discussion based. And one of the 9 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:42.799 things that I tackled over there with my co host Emmy was the eighties and 10 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:47.840 the two thousands Twilight Zone series. Now, the hit rate of the eighties 11 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:51.399 show was not quite up there with the hit rate of the original show, 12 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:57.719 but it did have its moments. However, it had some very low moments 13 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:02.920 too, and although we have encountered some bad episodes in the episode that I'm 14 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:07.239 about to play you even we were a little flowed by the quality of this 15 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.200 one. So if you are new to the podcast, maybe go back a 16 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.480 couple of episodes to see how the show usually is, but in the meantime, 17 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:21.359 whether you're a new listener or an old one, please enjoy this episode 18 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:32.599 from the archives of twilight Zone Aftermath. Tonight on twilight Zone after Math, 19 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:38.280 we answer the call of the Wild and the call of nostalgia with two more 20 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.879 eighties Twilight Zones. And it's actually the end of season two of the eighties 21 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:48.519 Twilight Zone, a very short season, and I am glad to be joined 22 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.400 by my co host, Emmy. Emmy, how you doing. I'm so 23 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:59.439 glad that to be here to talk about this one this evening can't wait. 24 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:07.079 I have no idea what you might be talking about, but yes, one 25 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:13.919 of these stories is quite unique. Actually, it's not something I've ever come 26 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:16.879 across before, and I'm quite looking forward to talking about it. And now, 27 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:23.840 when we do this, we don't really show our hand beforehand because we 28 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.919 like it to be spontaneous, don't we. We just kind of turn up 29 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:30.120 and we don't know what the other things. We might agree, we might 30 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:36.120 disagree, but sometimes the strength of feeling can't be really kept in. If 31 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.840 you know what I mean? Am I right? I would say so? 32 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:43.719 Yes, I think that there's that are definitely some out there that. Literally 33 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.879 the moment I've watched it and it's left my eyes, I feel they need 34 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:53.000 to discuss it with somebody. Unfortunately, you were that person in this instance. 35 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.360 Okay, okay, well we haven't went into it too much, but 36 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.360 why don't we get into it now. So let's go with our first story, 37 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:06.719 which is called Song of the Younger World. I've been watching you. 38 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:14.240 I know you're gonna tell your father. Why would I do that? I 39 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:19.840 wouldn't want to get you into trouble. It'd be worth it. You're so 40 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:24.879 pretty. Does your hair always shine like that? Almost always? I saw 41 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:30.000 you go into the library. I like to read, well, so do 42 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:37.759 I books about wolves. You better go. I wouldn't want you punished, 43 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:42.000 but I want to see you again, talk to you. I don't think 44 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.479 that would be wise. I'm not wise. I'm just hungry for someone. 45 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:52.319 I'm Tanner Tanner Smith. I've got to go. Wait, well, can 46 00:03:52.360 --> 00:04:00.680 I see you again? Please? We'll have to be careful. First broadcast 47 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.560 on July seventeenth, nineteen eighty seven. Written by Anthony and Nancy Lawrence and 48 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:11.039 directed by Noel Black. Tanner Smith is a young man who lives in a 49 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:15.639 home for wayward boys. Tanner likes wolves and girls with shiny hair, so 50 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.519 he's immediately attracted to the daughter of the superintendent of the home, Amy, 51 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:25.399 a girl whose hair is shiny almost all of the time. One night soon 52 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:29.360 after they meet, the two or care kissing in a barn by Amy's father, 53 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.360 and they are ordered to stay apart, but Amy has discovered a book 54 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:40.480 with a strange set of markings that might just be the key to their escape. 55 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:49.959 Okay, Emmy, I like wolves. I've been to the zoo to 56 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:57.399 see wolves. I have played the song Hungry Like the Wolf by Jeran Juran 57 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.399 probably you know a couple of times in my life made you know I'm a 58 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:05.000 pretty pro wolf kind of guy. Mm hmm. I did not expect a 59 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:11.120 Twilight z own episode about someone who really liked wolves. What are your first 60 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:15.160 impressions here? So I think the big question is, you know you might 61 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:16.600 like wolves, you might have been to the zoo bee just to see them. 62 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:23.120 Have you been a wolf, Tom, Because I feel like unless you 63 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:28.040 have, I'm not totally sure you're going to get this episode. Maybe that's 64 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:32.720 what it is. Maybe maybe it's designed for a very particular demographic. I 65 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.319 agree, I really I do actually really like wolves. I really like wolves, 66 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:42.120 I really like dogs, all that kind of stuff. For me, 67 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.720 I feel like it didn't save it for me. I didn't save this episode 68 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:53.160 for me, unfortunately. Yeah. I spent quite a lot of time about 69 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.079 this one, trying to think about the things that I really liked about it. 70 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:01.160 Wow, okay, probably probably more actually probably more about this episode than 71 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:04.000 I have about any of the rest of them. And actually I didn't come 72 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:10.560 up with much. Okay, that suggests you came up with something. Yeah, 73 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:15.560 the wolves at the end literally maybe five seconds of footage where there was 74 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.079 actually wolves, and it was like, oh, that's quite cool. Okay, 75 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:24.399 But unfortunately, no, it didn't. It didn't capture me on a 76 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:28.000 number of levels. There was kind of a few issues with it that I 77 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.199 had right from the get go, which didn't set a very good tone for 78 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:36.079 me. What were initial thoughts coming into that episode, I'll be honest, 79 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.879 that initial conversation between the two characters, let me get the names up here, 80 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:48.439 hold on, the names are Tanna and Amy, and that initial conversation 81 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:54.319 they had with the talk and he's like, you've got really shiny head. 82 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.439 There's a chant like that all the time. And she's like almost all the 83 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:02.079 time. And then I like books about wolves, I thought we're in trouble. 84 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:08.560 I think we're in trouble. Yeah. When I first watched that, 85 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.199 I literally, I think I must have thought for about a good twenty seconds. 86 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.199 I was like, is this bad writing or is it bad acting? 87 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:21.240 And I really I couldn't tell, because I thought, you know, sometimes 88 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:26.519 you genuinely can't tell, Like sometimes under you know, a fantastic actor, 89 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.680 really terrible writing can seem all right, and vice versa. I actually think 90 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:36.439 it might have been both, though I don't I feel that that might have 91 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:42.480 been. It came across as a very kind of slightly creepy, more than 92 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.399 slightly creepy scene, you know, this kind of weird vibe about him talking 93 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:51.959 about or shiny hair, and yeah, it just was. It wasn't a 94 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.399 good opener for me. Now, I'm not saying this out to jest. 95 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:01.399 I'm not saying it to make a joke at anyone's expense. But do you 96 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:07.560 think these characters are supposed to be, you know, impaired in some way, 97 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:13.160 have some sort of learning difficulty because they they speak like I mean, 98 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:18.600 they are adults by all intents and PEPs as you could say, maybe the 99 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:24.279 sixteen to eighteen you know, in Hollywood standards or whatever. But they speak 100 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.879 like a pair of five year olds. Do you know what I mean? 101 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.920 Do you think they're supposed to be? Is that what they suggesting here? 102 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:41.879 I don't know. I think you're being very generous. I don't think so. 103 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.960 I think because and I would kind of believe that to an extent of 104 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.759 you know, that it had been the writing and the dialogue and things had 105 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.279 maybe been different for some of the other characters, I think they would have 106 00:08:54.320 --> 00:09:01.000 been an obvious divide there. Unfortunately. Yeah, I think you just I 107 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:07.840 really appreciate your optimism. I think that's fantastic. Maybe I'm just really cynical, 108 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.559 but uh yeah, I think I mean, don't get me wrong. 109 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.080 I think one of the things that I think I might have got from it 110 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.799 is that certainly he is obviously supposed to be somebody who does a lot of 111 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.919 reading, you know, and this is maybe where a lot of his way 112 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.600 of speech comes from. You maybe, you know, we all kind of 113 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.799 know that person that reads a lot and speaks in a very flowery way because 114 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:33.720 they think that, you know, this makes them sound intelligent and smart thing. 115 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.639 So I suppose I could maybe get behind that. Okay, yeah, 116 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:45.360 if we're kind of looking to justify why they speak like that, then yes, 117 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:52.960 perhaps the thing is the opening narration mentions Jack London. Now I haven't 118 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.080 read and is it Jack London? I think it was Jack London. Yeah, 119 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.200 Now I haven't read any of his books. I've heard of White Fang. 120 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.320 I looked on Wikipedia and he wrote something called Call of the Wild. 121 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:11.879 So I could imagine that two people in the situation where they feel very trapped 122 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:16.440 could draw inspiration from this. Maybe it's a bit of a cliche, the 123 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:24.679 kind of troubled kid who's actually very well read and knows poetry or reads books 124 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.639 or whatever. Maybe that's a bit of a cliche. But had he been 125 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:33.000 that and he didn't just say I like books about wolves, you know, 126 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.600 and actually said, god, you know this place I want to be free, 127 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.320 like in one of the books I read by Jack London, where you 128 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:46.320 know, it's all about freedom and the wild and like, you know, 129 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:52.039 and there's been some actual explanation for it, probably not as bad as I 130 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.759 just said it, But had there been something where they actually talked about this 131 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:01.480 rather than him saying I like books about wolves, and then next minute you 132 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.000 see him cutting out a picture of a wolf and putting it on the wall. 133 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.519 I think maybe that would have actually added a bit to it. I 134 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.679 wouldn't have saved it, but it might have at least made it a bit 135 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.840 more comprehensible. Do you know what I mean? Yeah? I do. 136 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:26.120 I mean, I don't know. I think that I think that we're definitely 137 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:33.679 I think we possibly are looking for facets of it that aren't there, because 138 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.320 that not suggesting that you are you're seeing these things aren't there. But I 139 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.960 kind of went through this when I watched it as well. When I was 140 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.120 I was trying to find a bit of a deeper meaning in it, you 141 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.879 know, And I was trying to find where is the depth to this episode? 142 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.159 You know? What are they trying to tell us? What's the message? 143 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.240 Maybe I'm just being very negative about it. I totally appreciate that might 144 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.440 be, but I'm not sure I even saw that depth, to be honest. 145 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.480 Well, no, I think that's what it needed. Well, what 146 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.200 it needed was someone to pick up the script and go what and just throw 147 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:13.840 it out? But they introduced this thing Jack London as if everyone should know 148 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:20.840 it you know, and I never heard the name to the to the best 149 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.159 of my knowledge until I read this and then sought, Oh, White Fang, 150 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.679 I've heard of that. I haven't read it or seen the movies, 151 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.000 but at least I know it exists. So to say the name but then 152 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.320 just not expand on it in any way, it's just it just seems ridiculous 153 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:41.120 to me. I think Jack London may have been maybe more of an influence 154 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:46.440 in the States than he is here, because I've I have heard of him, 155 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.279 but not you know, like you say, not in any such a 156 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.440 way that you could just absolutely immediately say his name and I would. He 157 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:56.440 could rattle off like five or six books he'd written, which is obviously what 158 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:01.360 the intention was of using that name. So no, I think he may 159 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.320 be. You know, it's probably one of these authors that Americans study and 160 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.919 English lit and stuff growing up. So we have Amy with her shiny hair 161 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:16.759 Tanna who loves wolves, and then just as you know, you think, 162 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.799 oh my god, what's going on here, you get Hokey sort of sneaks 163 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:31.519 into Jennifer's bedroom and what is this character is just ridiculous. I don't know 164 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.320 what to say about him. He just sort of creeps back and forth between 165 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.960 them. I guess he's there to be a go between because they're separated, 166 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:45.519 so they need someone to pass things between the two characters. But that's the 167 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.399 only reason I can think for this character to be here. And then Amy 168 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:54.600 calls him like a stupid old bomo or something when he goes into a room, 169 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.639 and it's just, oh, my terrible performance. I mean, this 170 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.960 guy there's been in loads of stuff, Paul Benedict, he's you know, 171 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.960 he's been in tons of stuff over the years, but this is probably a 172 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.679 pretty loud point for him. Yeah. No, I couldn't understand. I 173 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.639 mean, like, obviously having him there, it was so that you could 174 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:20.159 have this connection, particularly towards the end of the episode. But and then 175 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.840 I may have missed something. I watched it twice, but I might have 176 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:28.320 missed it. I don't understand why he was necessarily there. Is he's you 177 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:33.200 know, like why that character was established as being the way it was. 178 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:39.720 I don't know whether it was because you know, it's obviously and this was 179 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.240 something else that I didn't think. It was terribly created for us as well. 180 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.559 It's obviously a home for you know, boys with troubles, and I 181 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.080 didn't know whether he was supposed to have kind of been there for years and 182 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.759 you know, he's just never left. Turns out he's a ghost. That's 183 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.360 the episode. But no, it just it fell a bit flat because, 184 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.519 yeah, I didn't know why he was there either, and I felt like 185 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.639 that there was probably a lot of better ways they could have established the connection 186 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:15.080 between the two of them than this random guy who just kind of seemed to 187 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:16.919 think it was okay to go into her bedroom and sit on the bed with 188 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.440 her, you know which, another creepy moment. I don't want to sit 189 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.799 here kind of flogging a dead horse about this episode and just giving her a 190 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:33.360 kicking because obviously we both think it's awful. But one final thing I guess 191 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:39.159 to talk about is the means of their escape. You know, she's sitting 192 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:43.399 in the library. She comes across this book with these lines in it, 193 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:50.399 and it's just such a random thing in a sense. Okay, and I've 194 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.679 given it way more credit than it deserves here, But in a sense, 195 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.519 this is Willoughby, isn't it. This is someone who wants to escape to 196 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.679 a different place, a different time, a different way of living in Willoughby. 197 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.240 A stop at Willoughby. It was the town of Willoughby. Here he 198 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.679 wants to stand on a mountain as a wolf. We've all been there, 199 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:18.360 so it's but the method of them getting there, it just seems so out 200 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.519 of the blue to me as well. It did with me as well. 201 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.519 And when I looked at I sort of looked a little bit more about it 202 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.600 online and it did kind of seem to expand that it was a book called 203 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:37.399 the Eiching Okay, which is a very famous text which I don't know anything 204 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.000 about and I literally hadn't heard of until I went and did some research, 205 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.960 kind of like the Jack London of the book world. But I didn't, 206 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:49.519 you know, and I think that this is this is supposed to be a 207 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:57.039 fairly established part of this about you know, leaving yourself and you know, 208 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:02.320 leaving your mind and your body. That might actually be a part of that 209 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.680 that book, which but again that wasn't established very well, you know that 210 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:11.480 was It took me literally until I went away and did research on the episode 211 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.880 to find out that that was the case. And that kind of just smacks 212 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.200 a bad writing, unfortunately, because you should be able to watch the episode 213 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.200 as a sort of self contained entity and understand everything that's going on. It 214 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.079 did make more sense when I went away and I did a bit of research 215 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:27.559 and I found out about it, But still it was a bit of a 216 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:32.000 leap no one. No one had that conversation. Did it was like the 217 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.559 Jack London stuff, Like you said, no one had that conversation. Would 218 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:41.640 it have saved the episode? Absolutely not. It's it's awful. I mean, 219 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.599 I don't. We won't go into anymore because I don't like to be 220 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.240 negative too much. You know, it happens sometimes you can't help it, 221 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:55.240 But yeah, we won't. We won't just carry on kicking this this dead 222 00:17:55.279 --> 00:18:02.640 wolf. I absolutely I would love to hear if people have comments about really 223 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.359 enjoying it. I would actually particularly really like to hear them, because it 224 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.680 does happen. There's times where you kind of go into these things, and 225 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.240 certainly with this episode for me, I did. I found a bit of 226 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:19.519 a struggle to get through and I very rarely find that the twilight zone. 227 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:22.920 But I did hear, and I did. I kind of came away from 228 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:29.000 it thinking that's got to be somebody's favorite episode, right, Like, that's 229 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.000 got to be something that somebody really really loves and you know, I want 230 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.079 to hear that. I want to hear that somebody really liked it, because 231 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:41.279 I've liked some rubbish in my time, you know, and I will stand 232 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.400 on a mountain and die on that mountain by that rubbish, So I do. 233 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.160 I kind of want to hear from somebody who really loved it, and 234 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.359 to hear what it was that they loved about it, because it can't just 235 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.839 be all negative. If you are out there, please write a comment on 236 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:59.039 the Patreon letters. Know, and not for the sake of obviously making a 237 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:03.119 joke, but oh what absolutely ought. Yeah, it happens in life, 238 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.799 doesn't it Sometimes does this received wisdom as well? You know, the Internet 239 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.759 will tell you that something's terrible and then you watch it and you think, 240 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.559 actually I quite like that, and vice versa. So yeah, it would 241 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:19.359 be really interesting to hear from someone who liked this one. Unfortunately I'm not 242 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.319 one of those people. So, Emmy, was it good in its own 243 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:29.200 right? And was a good Twilight Zone? No and no? Sorry, 244 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.599 no need to expand any further. For me, it was a no and 245 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.599 no as well. Well, we will leave those two lovely wolves on that 246 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.599 Mountain, one of them wearing a little necklace as well, which was nice, 247 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.839 so because we would never have known that that was her if she hadn't 248 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:48.079 been wearing that necklace. So thank you writers. I see the way they 249 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.200 linked that together. That was brilliant. That was brilliant. Okay, so 250 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.440 let's go on to our next story, which is called the Girl I'm Married? 251 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.240 Could you believe it? You wanted to know if I was having an 252 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.359 affair with the girl in the picture? And what did you say? What 253 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:03.039 do you think it? Like? I said? I said, Marvin, 254 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.359 you, yes, that's my wife. You didn't even recognize me. Well, 255 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:08.319 come on, sweetheart, you mean you're just a girl back then? 256 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.559 Oh? I see. In other words, now I look so much older. 257 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.119 Oh no, you're more mature now then you were. You were flighty 258 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.960 silly? Here are cute? What am I now? Quasi motive? So 259 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.640 that's why you're always moaning over that picture? Of course, not sweetheart, 260 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.680 That's not what I meant at all. It's just I don't know. Back 261 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.880 then, things were different. I was different, you were different. We 262 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:36.559 were kids. Would you really still rather be driving around in that stupid old 263 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:41.039 van of yours searching for ourselves and finding who knows what kind of body like. 264 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:42.599 Don't tell me you don't miss those days, you said so yourself. 265 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:48.440 I couldn't get enough of you in those days. I was insatia More certainly, 266 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.240 it wasn't my sense of style that attracted you. It looked like a 267 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:59.160 bag man, okay. Written by Jay M. Dematius Tomatius, directed by 268 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:03.960 Philip dege Ira. Richmond is a middle aged man seemingly obsessed with the picture 269 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.359 of a younger woman, so much so that one of his colleagues thinks he's 270 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.880 having an affair, but the picture is actually his wife, Valerie. Ira 271 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:15.480 is nostalgic for the life he used to have and the values he used to 272 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.720 hold, so when a younger vasion of Valerie suddenly appears in his life, 273 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:26.599 he wonders whether this might be a second chance at happiness. So completely different 274 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:32.759 story. I suppose people yearning for things from the past again in a different 275 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.519 way. Bit of a link there may be, So let's just get into 276 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.759 it. Emy. What do you think of this one? I mean, 277 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.359 it was by no means perfect, but I did there was definitely some questions 278 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.960 and things presented in this episode that I did. I did like to kind 279 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.160 of think about, and you know, I did like to mull over myself. 280 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:53.839 Let you say, it's obviously about looking back to the past. One 281 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.960 of the interesting things that really threw up for me was, you know, 282 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.119 what you imagine a successful person to be when you're a teenager versus what you 283 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:07.920 imagine a successful person to be when you're an adult, And you know what 284 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.200 your teenage or younger self would say if they could look at you now, 285 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:17.559 and what their opinion would be of you. So yeah, it kind of 286 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.200 on the surface, I don't think it doesn't come across as a terribly deep 287 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.160 episode, but it certainly kind of opened up some interesting questions for me to 288 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.519 think about. I think this is a writer who has looked at and I'm 289 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.720 actually friends with this guy on Twitter. I've not spoke to him about it, 290 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.720 to be honest, because I knew he wrote an episode, but I 291 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:40.720 hadn't seen it or couldn't remember seeing it. So in case like it might 292 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:42.920 have been the Wolf one and that would have been an awful conversation. So 293 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.839 I'm actually quite glad to have watched it now and find it to be I 294 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:56.599 think it's someone who has looked at the twilight Zone, looked at the Twilight 295 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:03.480 Zone and what it does, and created an episode which in a way is 296 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.559 a bit of a ticki box episode, you know, a bit it is 297 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.200 a bit Twilight Zone by the numbers, but it's also pretty good, and 298 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:18.160 it does sort of delve into a very real thing that a lot of us 299 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:23.200 face. You know that the younger versions of ourselves and the older versions of 300 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:29.200 ourselves. Like you said, what would those two people say if they could 301 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:33.359 meet just to go off on a tangent emmy? You know, if you 302 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.960 spoke to your younger self, what would that conversation be? Like, I 303 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.039 don't know, I'm kind of I always knew i'd turn it a sell out 304 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.559 tom, So it doesn't surprise me at all in any way that I've gone 305 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:52.880 this way, you know, I don't know. I think that it's not 306 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.119 quite the hippie thing when I was personally, when I was younger, I 307 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.599 was very artistic and very creative. I think could probably be disappointed that I 308 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:06.440 hadn't done something a bit more with that. But then, kind of in 309 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:10.119 the similar vein to the characters in this episode, I look back on that 310 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:14.359 now and I realize that that was maybe best kept as a hobby and that 311 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.200 that wasn't necessarily something to center my life around. And I suppose that is, 312 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.519 you know, looking at it with the sensible head of an adult who's 313 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:27.240 got, you know, twenty additional years of experience on that teenager, I 314 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:33.880 don't think i'd been mega disappointed with myself. But it's really difficult because it's 315 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.359 basically like two completely different people speaking, isn't it. So yeah, what 316 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.960 about you? Do you think that your teenage self would have approved as you 317 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.359 as an adult? Yes or no? Yes? And no, I do 318 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.200 remember being seventeen, you know, playing the guitar and thinking I'm never going 319 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.480 to get a job. I'm just I'm just going to you know, I'm 320 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.440 just going to play guitar in a band, and you know that's what I'm 321 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:02.799 going to do. So but like you said, it's it's a nice thought, 322 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:08.559 but the naivety of actually the world is made this particular way and playing 323 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.839 the guitar doesn't pay the bills unless you're really good at it or in a 324 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.519 great band or what have you. And I was neither of those things. 325 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:23.920 So so you're better off then head on? Yeah, absolutely, And I 326 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:29.119 do think that it's there's nothing wrong with it as well, that kind of 327 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:33.319 naive optimism of being a teenager, and you know, it's lovely and thank 328 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.480 god you are like that you're entire do you like at some point in your 329 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.400 life because if you were a cynic, glow bugger like me your entire life, 330 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:44.240 well that would just be boring. So you know, there is a 331 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.519 lot to be said for that element of teenager. I know everything, and 332 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.480 you know I couldn't possibly be wrong. There's you know, you need to 333 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.680 be like that, you need to be that person in order to become the 334 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.079 sensible, successful adult that you do become. I think, Emmy well Port, 335 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:06.640 I think that's a good point. So back to the episodes we well, 336 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.359 we get into this situation where Ira meets his his wife, his younger 337 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:17.160 self and they start. One of the first things they do is to jump 338 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:18.839 into beds, and to be honest, you would wouldn't. Yeah, that's 339 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.079 what you would do, So telling us a lot about yourself there at all. 340 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.880 So that's what they do. But I think the good thing about this 341 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.039 episode is it does touch on this stuff, but it doesn't get ultra heavy 342 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.759 about it. It keeps it pretty light. Doesn't it. Yeah, And 343 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.759 that's that's kind of what I meant by it doesn't go into it too deep 344 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.599 about, you know, the questions it poses. It kind of just leaves 345 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.839 it to you to think about it in Mulla Over, which was appreciated because 346 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:53.119 I think that had it been a very deep and heavy episode, it wouldn't 347 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.839 have been as fun, you know, and it wouldn't have just been as 348 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.079 you wouldn't have wanted to come up with thinking about some of the questions as 349 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.880 opposed, because you would have been so bogged down by all. So as 350 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.039 the episode goes on, they kind of it's funny. They hang out a 351 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.559 lot, they go to bed sometimes, they go to yoga class, all 352 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.200 these things, all these things. But then there's this subplot about the wife 353 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:21.319 as well. And I think the moment he walked in and she was reading 354 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:25.359 and said she had the TV on, you kind of knew what the other 355 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.079 side of this coin was, didn't you. You could kind of see it 356 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:30.880 a mile off, couldn't you. Absolutely? I mean, you know, 357 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.160 why should he be getting his kicks when she can't as well? So clearly, 358 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.519 yeah, it did. It was it was a little bit of a 359 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.480 cliche. It was very obvious where it was going, but not necessarily in 360 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:47.640 a bad way. I mean that scene was pretty I assume intentionally comedic, 361 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:49.839 wasn't it. You know what this called the silliness about the book and things 362 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:56.559 like that. But I suppose that just kind of established a little bit about 363 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.720 their characters. It's like they're not just stuffy and boring stuff. There is 364 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.880 still this little edge to them, the side to them that they had when 365 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.119 they were teenagers. So I quite liked it, even though it totally gave 366 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.480 the game away. Yeah, I did like that little. Then. I 367 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:18.480 do think the episode as a whole is quite predictable once it starts to get 368 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.400 into motion and you see what it's getting a and how this thing is move 369 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:27.960 and I do think you could pretty much write the end in yourself. Now 370 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.400 that's not to say that's bad. Like you said, it's still kind of 371 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:37.880 warm and comforting. But when you said it wasn't perfect, have you got 372 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.119 any sort of little niggles about it? No, I think it was just 373 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.119 I mean, the acting was pretty good in it, the story was fine. 374 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.960 I think it mostly was, like you said, the predictability of it. 375 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.880 You know, it wasn't there was no great twist in this episode, 376 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.319 but I don't think I really wanted there to be, you know, I 377 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.119 think with every wonderful episode with a completely unp predictable twist at the end, 378 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.839 there does have to be these sort of more gentle, almost filler episodes I 379 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:11.960 suppose that are just kind of nice and just the story's kind of nice and 380 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.559 the acting is kind of good. And the one thing we've not talked about 381 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.559 is the scene where he's dropping acid or is he supposed to be dropping acid? 382 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.319 You know? With all this so I assumed this is what this was, 383 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:29.400 where they're doing all these weird cut screens with the boxes that we I 384 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.920 mean, it made me feel like I was dropping acid because I was so 385 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:36.559 confused when I watched this part. But yeah, that was It was a 386 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.799 very interesting I don't know who would make that choice on that is like an 387 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:45.359 editing choice, is a directing choice. It was I don't know, but 388 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.480 it was. That was a very interesting moment in the episode for me because 389 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.880 I couldn't decide whether it was brilliant and effective showing all the weird things that 390 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:59.400 were going on with his brain, or it was just total eighties like Clisi. 391 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.839 It was definitely a bit out the blue. I wasn't sure what was 392 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.279 going on really the first time I watched it as well, and then I 393 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.720 thought, is this to show? Is this the part of the episode that's 394 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.440 really saying you can't go back because he's in yoga class, he can't really 395 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.799 do it if they're playing frisbee, and the frisbee turned out okay. To 396 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.359 be honest, I thought he was going to keel over or you know, 397 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.359 hit his knee or something like that. But I wondered whether that was the 398 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.200 part of the episode to say, man, you're knocking around with this younger 399 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.960 woman. You're not a young guy anymore. And it was just a bit 400 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.240 of a montage, but I didn't realize it. I might be wrong, 401 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.440 Yeah, drop an acid, but you might be right. I don't know. 402 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.240 That was the impression. I'd be giving a bit too much of myself 403 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.359 away here. The impression that I got was that it was this supposed to 404 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:51.359 be because it was the music and stuff as well, wasn't it. It 405 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:56.640 was that real kind of sixties guitar twangy music that came with it, So 406 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.680 maybe I just made the connection. It wasn't supposed to be like that, 407 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.079 but I did assume this was supposed to be, you know, like your 408 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.359 brain on assets, which it did sern with you like at some point. 409 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.519 I don't think there's a whole lot more to say about it. I do 410 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:18.440 think it's a great kind of topic for a Twilight Zone to cover, because 411 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.880 it is it is a universal thing, and it's not controversial in any way 412 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:29.759 that we are different people at these two stages in our lives, and the 413 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:37.359 naivety of youth and the wisdom of old age they're not kind of mutually exclusive, 414 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.000 and you should try and bring a bit of that from your youth to 415 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.880 your middle age, a bit of the joy of life, a bit of 416 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.119 the spontaneity and some of the values before the world sort of kicks you into 417 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:56.279 submission. So I really like that message about it. Yeah, I did 418 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:57.880 as well, And I did it was kind of if they were going to 419 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.440 have learned anything for the end, then you know, yeah, bring that 420 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.119 into themselves. Remember that they can still be sensible people, but remember themselves 421 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.759 as the dreamy teenagers who thought the world was their oyster. So in the 422 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:16.599 end, we we find out that Valerie was also cheating on older Ira with 423 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:21.960 younger Ira. So we have this sort of face off with the younger version 424 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.839 of themselves and the older version of themselves. And that's when older Ira has 425 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.680 the moment where he's kind of like, no, okay, I'm happy where 426 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.559 I am, you know, get out of here, and the younger versions 427 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.960 of themselves disappear. Now, if it was me, I'd have had some 428 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:44.559 kind of crazy four way before that before they disappeared. But you know that's 429 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:52.279 just me. I'm learning so much about you. But it was it was 430 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.079 a good It was a good sort of gentle twist, I suppose. And 431 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.400 they sit and they hug at the end and say, you know, let's 432 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.839 to bring a bit of that youth back into our our middle age. So 433 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.200 is it good, Emmy? And is it good? Twilight Zone? Before 434 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.480 before I answer that, do you remember what they said they were going to 435 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.839 do to bring some of the joy back into their life. At the very 436 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.440 end, what her suggestion is he was going to go and work for like 437 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.720 a sort of pro bono law firm or something, you know, something like 438 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.279 that. I can't remember going. She basically kind of says, let's reliver 439 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.599 our care free amazing things. Let's have a baby and I'm sitting there thinking, 440 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.599 oh, dude, anybody who's ever had a baby, you knows that 441 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.880 that's not the way to bring a care free time in your life. So 442 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:43.559 yes, sorry, that was That was the only standout moment for me where 443 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.720 I thought, have they learned nothing from this? The thing to learn from 444 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.400 this is to enjoy your almone time, not to bring a baby into it. 445 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.839 Could you imagine in ten years time, they'll do it. They'll have 446 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:58.559 another little episode where the older them will meet them now just before they had 447 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:06.400 the baby. Don't have the baby. Don't do it. Sorry, that 448 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.840 was the Sorry I took that off on a tangent. There is it good? 449 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.800 Twilets? Well, yeah, isn't it? Because like you said, 450 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.960 it's Twilet's own but the numbers, see, there's got everything that you would 451 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.800 expect to twilet its own episode to have. I suppose it is quite it's 452 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.159 quite acutely story in its own right. It's not groundbreaking, but at the 453 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:28.559 same time it sent me away with questions, you know, thinking about sort 454 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.440 of introspective things like myself as a teenager, like you said, you know, 455 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.400 the teenager that really just wanted to paint all day and you know, 456 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.880 make a career out of being a painter and all this rubbish. So yeah, 457 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:44.400 in that sense, I did. I did enjoy it, you know. 458 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.039 In terms of whether it was a good episode or not, I guess 459 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:51.559 it depends on whether you know how you're going to define that. But for 460 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.159 me, it left me with some sort of nice thoughts and questions, so 461 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.599 I would say it was a good episode. Yeah, yeah, me too, 462 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.079 both counts. I think it fits the bill, makes you think without 463 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.559 really sticking the boot in or really sort of raking you over the calls about 464 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:13.079 anything. It's light, it's fun, and I think it's a good closer 465 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.639 to season two. So season two, I mean, we won't go too 466 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.920 deep into it and have a big, massive recap or anything like that. 467 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.239 But it was a strange one in that it's only eleven episodes long, and 468 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:31.800 like seasons of television in the eighties tended to be like twenty four episodes or 469 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.559 something like that. So I think the writing was probably on the wall for 470 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.000 the show, which I'll talk about in a second. But looking down the 471 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.880 list, demmy any favorite anything stick out to you? Yeah, there definitely 472 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.360 was, And I think that what was quite interested about this season for me 473 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.400 is there were some really high points, like really what I would consider to 474 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:59.239 be very very good writing and acting, and then literally next door to some 475 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.559 not wonderful episodes of television, and it was that real contrast that stood out 476 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.519 to me, you know, And obviously you get that with anthology shows because 477 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.760 you get different writers, you get different directors every single episode and stuff. 478 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.400 But the standout ones to me, my very favorite one of the whole season 479 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:23.000 was probably Shelter Skelter. You know, I went into how much I loved 480 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.400 that one. When we did that episode, I really enjoyed it. I 481 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.440 still think it's you know, it's definitely got flaws, but I really really 482 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.800 loved it. And then the Toys of Caliban as well. You know, 483 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.480 it's definitely it was very dark, it was very grim. It's not something 484 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.440 you would necessarily watch a lot of times, but it's one of these ones 485 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.920 that really sticks with you, and you know, you'll get to twenty years 486 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.480 in the future and you'll still kind of randomly think about that Twilight episode you 487 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:59.840 watched once that was, you know, and probably for sentimental reasons as well. 488 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.280 After ours remake, you went with me when we've done that one, 489 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.639 were you no, No, I wasn't it was, actually it was. 490 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.440 It was, Yeah, so no, it was. It was. The 491 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:15.480 After Hours is one of my very favorite episodes of the original series, and 492 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:22.880 the remake was actually the very first episode I ever saw of the eighties series, 493 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:28.320 and it was because because I loved the original so much, but also 494 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.480 it had Terry Farrell in it, who was indeed nine, which we've established 495 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:36.559 I really love, and I was kind of watching it as much for that 496 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.840 as anything else, and I was really pleasantly surprised about it. I can't 497 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.199 actually remember what you what you guys thought of it when you did the episode. 498 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:46.480 Do you remember who it was that did the episode with you? Was 499 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:52.639 it Zach? It was Brandy. I think we were both fairly positive with 500 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.960 it, probably more positive than a lot of opinions you'll see out of there 501 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.599 about it, because I think it's The After Hours in the eighties. It 502 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:07.880 goes an eighties way, which I think was quite right for it to do 503 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.880 if they're going to do this at all. So yeah, I was more 504 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.960 positive than moust about it. Probably, Yeah, there was definitely, I 505 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.000 mean, there were bits of it that I mean, I can't remember when 506 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.280 I first watched it, but it was a long time ago, and I'll 507 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.159 still I will always remember her turning into the mannequin, you know, the 508 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.559 bits of her body turning into plastic parts of the mannequin and things. And 509 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.239 I completely agree. You know, you couldn't have had a direct remake of 510 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.360 how it used to be because you know, the department store itself was almost 511 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:43.280 like another character within that story, so you had to change that character as 512 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.639 well. And you know, eighties department stores were so different from originals that 513 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.559 they absolutely had to make the change and fit it into the time. But 514 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.719 yeah, that was probably one of my favorite ones from the season as well. 515 00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:00.000 And it's sometimes is hard to tell with these things whether you love it 516 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.360 because of nostalgia and you love it because it's you know, like you say, 517 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.880 it's a good episode in its own right, or is it just because 518 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.679 you really enjoyed the story the first time so much that you're desperate for another 519 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.519 version of that same story and for it to be remade. But no, 520 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.320 I really loved it, and like I said, it was an introduction to 521 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.480 me to the eighties twilight Zone. So at least I started with a fairly 522 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.280 positive episode, I would say, But those are probably those are probably my 523 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:32.800 highlights from the second season. There were ones I didn't enjoy as much, 524 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.960 but obviously those are you know, those aren't as important as the good ones. 525 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.679 I'm going to say I have a soft spot, and I don't think 526 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:51.239 you've seen this one. The first episode a source of loneliness. The actual 527 00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.400 episode itself is one of my favorites, but I think Shelley Duval is amazing 528 00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:00.760 in it. She just gives this heart wrenching perform and she is just so 529 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.800 good that that one always sticks out to me. I mean, it's a 530 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.079 generally good episode. I think I just like others more, but Shelley Devalla 531 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:17.599 is just amazing in it for me. Then after that, let's see, 532 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:23.199 they all seem quite recent because it's just such a short season. So after 533 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.280 that, for me, I would probably say, you're right. The Toys 534 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:32.719 of Caliban definitely. Hi, Will I ever watch it again? I don't 535 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:38.079 know, because it's pretty grim, but definitely right up there. I don't 536 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.599 think I can choose a favorite, but I do think there are a handful 537 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:49.880 that really seem to get what the Twilight Zone is about, and The Girl 538 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:53.760 I Married is one of them. Time and Theresa Golowitz was a good Twilight 539 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:59.400 Zone. So yeah, few, there's a few in here that are actually 540 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:06.400 pretty decent for such a short season. So have you actually seen any of 541 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.719 season three that you can recall? Emmy? I think I must have years 542 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.320 ago, because I think I saw lots of these when I watched them first 543 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:16.000 time round. But like I said, we're talking about maybe twenty years ago, 544 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.599 so I don't remember any of them. So given how awful my memory 545 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.559 is, I'm going to go into this with a fairly clean slate, I 546 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.559 would say, because I don't remember any of Like I've had a quick look 547 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.000 through the synopsias of them, and I don't remember any of them off the 548 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.480 top of my head. So I'm going to assume it's going to come as 549 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.599 a bit of a surprise to me when I first watched them. Well, 550 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:44.159 there are a couple of changes in season three. I think the show was 551 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.639 pretty much doomed by this point. Now. For a start, there's a 552 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:52.880 new narrator in season three. I can't recall his name, but Charles Aidman, 553 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.360 who was in the original show, bows out. I think maybe he 554 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.119 saw the Wolf episode and was like that's enough. I've I don't know, 555 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:08.119 not read in my contract. Bye guys, So he goes. But the 556 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:14.360 whole I don't really understand American syndication the way that works. But I think 557 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.800 shows need to get to a certain point so you can then sell them so 558 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.159 they can be repeated on other channels. I think that's the gist of it. 559 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.920 So after like one and a half seasons, there wasn't enough Twilight Zones. 560 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.440 Now in the early days of the twilight Zone podcast, I spoke to 561 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:35.960 a guy called Paul Chitlick on the show. It's the only eighties Twilight Zone 562 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.239 interview I've ever did, and him and his writing partner, a guy by 563 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:47.840 the name of Jeremy bertrand they both become kind of showrunners if you like. 564 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:53.880 I think the title is story Editors or something with Jay Michael Strazinski. So 565 00:42:54.239 --> 00:43:00.360 the three of them, Jeremy Beatrand and Paul Chitlick as a duo and Jane 566 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.679 Michael Strazinski sort of take over the show if you like. Now, although 567 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.400 his episodes haven't always been the best, I do like Jane Michael Strazinski. 568 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.800 I think he's a good writer and I'm looking forward to seeing what he brings 569 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:19.239 to it, and I think Paul Chitlick. When I spoke to him, 570 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.320 he said, yeah, basically we made the season to make up of the 571 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:30.599 numbers. And I think although these episodes aren't as plush as we might like 572 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:35.159 a Twilight Zone to be like the original show, I think you will really 573 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.000 notice the kind of drop off in quality when we get to season three. 574 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:44.800 So just to give your heads up on that one. Wow, that's that's 575 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:51.400 quite the introduction to the season. There's joy might just binge them. There 576 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.960 seems to be quite a few more though it was a full season, was 577 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:59.239 it. Yeah, there's like thirty of them. Jeez, that's a lot 578 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.400 of subpart. While it's one for me to get through, I'm looking forward 579 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:08.039 to it. Maybe I've sort of said that the wrong way. I think 580 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:14.239 production wise is where you will see there's just not as much money being spent 581 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:19.880 on it. Story Wise, I think we might be okay, and it's 582 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.760 probably better than I remember it being. But it's really the production that takes 583 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.960 a bit of a nose dive. Okay, But yeah, we know that 584 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.719 you don't necessarily need high production to make a good episode. I mean, 585 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.719 look at look at a game of pool, that was two guys. I'm 586 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:38.800 on a conversation in a room, so my fingers are firmly crossed for seeing 587 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.360 some gems in season three. Well, speaking of a game of pool, 588 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.239 you'll see a remake of that in season three. Really, that's because they 589 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:52.320 didn't have any budget for anybody more than two characters in a room. Yeah, 590 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.280 exactly. But there's also one that I'm really interested in because it's got 591 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.400 a story by Rod Sailling and it's called ar Selena is Dying. But J 592 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.280 Michael Strazinski does the teleplay, and I think that's going to be really interesting. 593 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:12.440 But going into season three, there are thirty episodes, but they seem 594 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.400 to just do singles, like they went old school with it and just did 595 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:22.920 a single episode, sorry, single story episodes. So I think when we 596 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:27.840 cover it, we will just double up, so we're not doing it for 597 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:34.599 two years. We'll double up and do two episodes per episode of this show, 598 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.280 so quicken things up. Yes, good, Okay, Well we'll leave 599 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.719 it there. Emmy, thank you so much for joining me for season two. 600 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.280 I hope you've enjoyed it. I have. I've loved it. I've 601 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.760 loved revisiting some of them and then seen some other ones with fresh eyes for 602 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.679 the first time. So it's been it's been a lot of fun, good 603 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:55.840 good. I've enjoyed hosting with you as well, so long may continue into 604 00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.800 season three. Now there will be a bit of a fun or my change, 605 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.800 but to be honest, with the next episode, you will see that, 606 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.920 but it's not reinventing the wheel. The basics of the episode will be 607 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:14.599 the same. It will be me and Emmy talking about an eighties twilight Zone. 608 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:20.079 But how that will manifest you will find out soon. Okay, so 609 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.599 that has been twilight Zone Aftermath and it's goodbye for me and me to speak 610 00:46:24.599 --> 00:47:17.000 to you guys soon. Bye for now. Pat