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That's all right, all right,
so we'll start by giving away. I

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promised that I would give people who
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Orleans. Uh, they get a
drink. So I got a classic.

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This is a classic h New Orleans
SASARAQ. That is the original cocktail um

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invented by um Antoine pay showed.
He's a Uh he was a pharmacist on

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Charter Street. And it's herb saint
rye a little sugar and then a twist.

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And it's the first cocktail that people
say existed. And wait, I

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got ever ever? Yeah, this
is it woman right three, I'm doubled.

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Is anyone else coming to claim that? I think my only so thank

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you for Jim Gonwild and DARNI thank
you. This is Jim Gonwold's cousin,

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Jim. Jim gon Wold never told
me he's name. Either way, you

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get free drinks, so quick complaining, thank you, that's good. I've

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never had one. It's great.
It's a really good drinking. And this

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one the guys is like they're serious
about it. Like if you're running a

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bar in rold if you can't make
a sass right if they get right out

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of town for your sass. I
need them to come to Jacksonville Airport and

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open after nine pm because everything close
to nine pm. They will not serve

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you a drink at Jacksonville Airport after
nine pm. Why because the restaurants don't

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cater for people who fly late.
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and I looked it up and apparently
Austin has gone to three pm.

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But what's the I see people drinking
in an airport at seven am, I

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know, but do you see him
at seven pm? That's the problem.

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That's true increasingly, that's the problems. Sorry, okay for a couple of

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again, thank you, I'll go
first. If if my five year over

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here, he would open both up, both of them. Yeah, this

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is Oh, this is great.
I thought I was gonna see I thought

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it was gonna be a Trump twenty
twenty four. It's literally true. What

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does it say? Thank you?
Thank you? So um. It's a

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T shirt and it says I drink
Martini's and I know things with a kind

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of a cool design of a Martini
glass. This is both true and um,

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and I'm true, I'm actual,
so thank you, and the fact

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it's actually referencing game drums. It'sn't
really that's hilarious. So now I have

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you I have, and I just
I did I want? And then I

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was fine with it. And then
the dragon and I'm like, I'm out.

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I just dragons like it was.
It was about like struggle and politics

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and um people choking jumps, heads
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I get. And then once the
dragons were there, I'm like, not

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for me. Do you think it's
weird how quickly it disappeared. It's just

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the last episode came. Everyone watched
it and it went yeah culture, yeah,

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oh yeah, I went from one
watch the next one. I talked

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about it. Yeah, yeah,
no one talked about it. But it's

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still it's doing better than I mean, it's not doing great, but it's

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doing better than um Lord of the
Lord of the Rings, which was their

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attempted to capture that at Amazon,
which cost one billion dollars and has a

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thirty five percent completion rate, which
means that only a third about a third

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of people watching that Lord of the
Rings are bothering to finish the series.

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That's horrible. It's I'm a zero
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I never I'm a zero I was
zero present with the Game of Thrones too,

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So anyway, so you have a
present. Yeah, I wanted my

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five year old opens all the presents. The first present I've got to open

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for myself for a long time.
So I'm very excited about it and now

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moderately confused. Better. Wow,
look at this take. It says port

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nine eleven, right, and it
says ricochet on the side, an astrobox

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on the top. There. I
love it. I love it. Oh

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and it's a metal I know it's
beautiful. Thank you man. Yeah,

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we're not absolutely. I mean,
I'm happy to open it up now.

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My better opening up at home and
otherwise went safe. Okay, deal,

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Well I'm yeah perfect. Well who
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Thank you, Randy, appreciate it. Not the T shirt, Melissa Belie,

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the thank you. Thank you all
for coming. Um, this is

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great. So, uh, if
you're listening at home, you know we

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have an audience. Uh, we're
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think seventh in the Garden, Lower
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nice meal. You guys have like
you saw you were some time they were

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here. On. They got here
on Monday, Monday? Did you come

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here often? No? Here,
we came back for extended the anniversary,

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and this is the first time back
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surely did. Yeah. Well,
I love it here. This is a

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great city. And who are we
we have some we have at least one

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native here, right, native native, a native born and raised, born

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and raised. I mean, I
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people are born and raised in the
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you know what I mean, like
a lot of people come here like me

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and like they I'm you know,
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basically local. Uh, how's it
going great? We love your mayor,

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Yeah, you got a great mayor. Yeah. They managed to not recall

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her, so that's it. Yeah, unfortunate, that's unfortunate. Yes,

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that's right. But we are lucky
if we lived in Jackson Parish. So

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you think that or least parish is
being blue Jefferson Parish is read. Yeah.

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somebody equally bad? I mean this
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yeah, right right? How would
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seems like, I mean, I
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her what year ago, and suddenly
a bunch of stuff came forward that the

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media here didn't talk about, like
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paying security off to the police,
being that's such a great New Orleans thing

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though, Yeah, like urban corruption
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you like, I you really think
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would be shocked to know their mayor
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you used to get twice a week

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cabage. Now we get one and
we're grateful about Wow, you should recall

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her, wait forgot and Newly,
Man, what are you gonna get if

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you got a guy run him the
fan school movie. Man, it's not

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gonna be good. Yeah, it's
not gonna be good. God, she'stead

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of the mad I mean so yeah, well that was Ray Nagan was the

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mayor during the flood during Katrina,
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TV executive and so people couldn't believe
that he wasn't going to be efficient or

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like, like the guy is he's
a cable TV guy. He's like the

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people who say they're gonna be there
by five and will show up. That's

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like, that's him. He's the
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buy a bunch of eric conditioned school
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buses to evacuate people who needed to
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a bridge where they got flooded out. Yeah, there are pictures of that.

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Yeah, my favorite, I mean
it's not a fit favorite. And

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then we can start. But Ice
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So we're gonna where he are.
My favorite New Orleans or Katrina story.

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Um was that the chef Um John
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morning after two days, he got
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the cities are still the streets are
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flat bottomed boats and he made a
bunch of red beans and rice. His

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family rescue red beans and rice,
and he went around just uttering around this

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giant lake that was the city,
going up to people who had been,

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you know, there on their roofs
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meal in two days. And he
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guess was on his shed and he'd
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day and a half, and they
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him a bowl of red beans and
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is for you, thank you,
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not like my grandmother made. And
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it back that she thought, okay, well you know what, we're gonna

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be okay, like, well we're
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So I kind of feel that way
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all everything's terrible, but it's still
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right, yeah right. So where
do you Where do you live? Rom?

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I live in New York City,
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there aren't crazy people running around the
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front of a subway train for no
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said this on a podcast I was
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Madison Avenue at night and it's a
fancy shopping street, and in the doorway

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of some fancy store there was a
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on his knees, facing, you
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which is something you don't really I
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pre before Giuliani. And then you
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passed Trump Tower, and Trump Tower
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um tape on the ground for all
the media. So it's like the CBS,

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the CNN and said BC they'll had
their like areas that were designated for

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them because Trump was going to come
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little farther down on Fifth Avenue there
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was wearing like a little short T
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and like people were walking by and
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I was that guy? You can
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ten steps ahead, like wait a
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those are three things in Manhattan that
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the at least two of them to
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Trump Tower. He had no interest
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or a naked guy running around on
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job is to like come up with
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himself in the city and used like
eight thousand, some astronomical number of cops

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were involved that day in just controlling
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something's got to go right, so
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of life on the street. Yeah, I mean it's not like down the

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beach where I live. That's why
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maybe the people who just have clothes
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that we're other rights. Right,
it's actually a law. There's a nice

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shooting up. Of course, when
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dream, it was the same sort
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drug users shooting up. You had
uh homeless scheme rving around crazy and naked,

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and you had Trump holdings conferences on
the street surrounded by ANOPD talking about

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how he's gonna redevelop Uh shot sun, which he never did. Well,

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here's a private citizen then, and
it's pretty good. We went about seven

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minutes before you mentioned him. So
that's that's Ron. Ron is something Um

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I did. You're right? No, I'm no, No, you're right,

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you're right. I was trying to
do it in a positive way.

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Um. So we are here,
and like a lot of things with Ricochet,

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it is entirely organized by members.
You know, we're just sitting here

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having a drink and the member who
organizes is sitting right over here. Randy.

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This how many of these have you
organized? I don't know what,

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probably ten or more like everywhere where
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Last May? The end of May, my wife and I and her mother

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moved to Cookeville, Tennessee. Okay, we just lived in northwestern Minnesota.

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Wow. Okay, so you had
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Utah, had a huge one.
In Montana had a huge one. In

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Black Hills of South Dakota had a
big one. There was basically a grand

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tour of western Kentucky. It wasn't
just in one city. We started out

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in Bowling Green, visited the National
Corvette Museum, went on a couple of

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cave tours, went to Bardstown toward
the Bardstown burbur Distillery, went to whatever

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Townmaker's mark is in toward that distillery, went to Lexington for an afternoon of

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horse racing. Wow, went to
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of us visited the Kentucky Derby Museum. Um. So that was a unique

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one where it wasn't did one city, but we did a grand tour and

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then a bunch of little ones and
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a few times in Chicago, Fargo, We did one a million years ago

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in la and then we did one
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in New York we did one.
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which would have been a bigger pub
crawl except that it it rained. It

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like it just poured that day.
So we're kind of all huddled into the

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city winery. But then we we
found another's place. After that was after

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they were really done with us,
they kind of want us to leave.

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we we we hustled over to and that

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was like, I don't know,
it seems like part of the fun of

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being Remember Ricochets is this part.
Um, I mean, how are you

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a charter member? Yes? Um, I mean as as they define it.

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I don't know what the cutoff is, but I've got that on my

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badge. It's a matter of fact. Leeden's and I joined Ricochet the exact

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same day, really, April seven, really, so you know, you

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can't go back. You can't go
back in the list of Ricochet podcasts that

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far because I was thinking it would
be fun to listen to the one just

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before that, or maybe two before
that, because you must have made a

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particularly compelling pitch that have got both
of us to join up. And uh,

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Ricochet's Charlotte joined up just a few
days before Leaden's and I did,

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Wow, you remember what it was? Was it? Well, there was

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something that there was something that we're
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could have been that that. Unfortunately
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can't go to that well too often. Uh, twenty eleven, that's just

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feels like like an ancient history,
right, Like twenty eleven just feels like

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even though it wasn't that longer.
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we started doing the podcast first,
and I think I remember doing a podcast

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or having a meeting or something on
election night twenty two thousand and eight,

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Obama's election. I was in New
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Okay, well, this is either
gonna be really great for us or it's

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gonna be terrible. You never really
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But you know who knew? All
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thousand and eleven? Okay, what's
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Two ten? Okay, thousand ten? Pretty good? Did you start?

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what year it was. I know
that it was something we were doing something

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about it in two thousand and eight, because because I wasn't living in New

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York then, and I was in
New York because we had meetings for this.

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I know that I was invited to
join at a crystal starting in two

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thousand and seven. Two thousand and
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been. Yeah. I mean,
it's a meat It's like, it doesn't

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feel like a million years ago.
So are there? Okay, so there's

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some two thousand and eleven, two
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two years, two years? Okay, but what five? It's five,

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like the number five. It's a
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years? What made you join?
We're listen to your podcast so much.

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I'm not proud o your podcast,
and I was like, all these are

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the same. Last thing, Yeah, it's been interesting. What makes you

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join? I learned for a long
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a podcast with Boss Bongo. Oh
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have skinned the game, so that's
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game works kind of kind of,
um, well, thank you whenever you

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join, thank you. We all
we really need is for you to find

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two other people and make them join
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what it is. We still like
the idea that you that you you're gonna

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have meaningful interaction on you know,
on the site, and it's reasonably civil

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and polite. I mean, the
standards now are really low, so it's

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like for us to say that we're
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on the web is really not saying
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I'd send people to I mean,
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in and I'll send somebody. Usually
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I'll say, you just just go
in and like, just look at what

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you can do. It doesn't have
to be a swamp um. You just

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have to have some rules of dress
code, that's all. And uh.

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I usually get back like, yeah, that was so interesting. Although there's

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a lot of like a lot of
people on that site who like think that,

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you know, the Second Amendment means
you're allowed to have firearms. A

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lot of that, like like,
yeah, they're conservatives, so they're gonna

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say that, you know, so
sometimes you get that argument anyway. Yeah,

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right, I do indeed think the
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firearms. That's kind of what it
says. I mean, that's that's literally

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what it says, right, I
am sorry. Yeah, well, okay,

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do you really want me to unt
have you're interested? I'm happy to

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talk about cannon. Okay. This
drives me crazy because Biden says this all

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the times, um, and it's
funny because he's wrong in both directions.

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First Off, at the time of
the founding, it was entirely legal to

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have cannon. That is just a
fact there was no law against it.

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But no one would have thought this
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ordinance an ordinance was separate from arms, and the Second Amendment protects arms.

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So what Biden is doing there is
he's getting it wrong, which is his

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speciality in both ways, which is
he's saying all the time of the founder,

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you weren't allowed to own a cannon, while actually you work you still

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are. By the way, look
it up that there are no laws in

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the United States, in any state
or at the federal level, against the

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ownership of cannon, and that no
one has ever passed this. You know

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why, because you don't turn on
the news and the want to go,

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oh my god, another shopping center
devastated by a cannon fight that never happened.

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That never happened. So there's no
federal laws, there's no state laws.

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We've always been able to do it. It's actually not covered under the

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Second Amendment. But not being under
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And this is the point, This
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up. If you look at the
Constitutional Convention, they were not sitting there

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saying, right, what are you
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what's the government allowed to do?
So the government was allowed in some ways

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to regulate the militia. There's a
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the Constitution that predates the Second Amendment. That's it. That's it. Cannon

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would common they were privately owned.
They were they were anticipated. There's a

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whole clause in the Constitution letters of
mark and reprisal. People had naval ships

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that they owned privately. They expected
to be sent abroad to use them.

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There wouldn't be much point sending a
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you didn't have cannon on it.
You've really got me going. Now,

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this is dastarday. But yes,
so my point is joined Ricochet, buy

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a cannon. Maybe. At the
same time, I wonder, I could

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you who makes them? Can you
buy one? Yes? You can buy

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the we are they like weirdly sort
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I wonder how much are they?
How much? How much is a cannon?

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I mean small, I don't mean
a big one, small one just

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from my form, my own protection, right, you can get I don't

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know how much, use a lot
to civil we'll reenact right and right,

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so like I should we should price
that would be really cool, like Ricochet

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premium. You know the person who
goes to the most meetups. Wait,

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we got wet we an answer.
We have an answer. Blood power can

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twenty inch long one inch? You
got whole category antique maritime cannons and cannonballs

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for sale. What a great country. Just the fact that you can look

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that out In England you go to
prison for looking it up and you can

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you can probably claim Apple pay by
right, you can just get it sent

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to your house. You saying worried
that if as a roof ascot sand a

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cannon. Oh that's right. Yeah, well no with Ricoche off something you

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should next time instead of offering to
buy three drinks, you should say,

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if you joined Ricochet will buy the
first three people cannon. I'd be kind

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of cool, right right. There
is a shop. I don't know if

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you guys have been. I don't
know if any time today, Like there's

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a shop on Charters. I think
no, it's on Royal in the in

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the quarter that's got it's like old
weapons and stuff, and there's there's a

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bunch of sabers and things. But
there's also some great old like rifles,

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and I bet you he could get
I bet you he could hook us up

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with a cannon. But if you
go in there and you kind of like

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you're your little KG about like first
second Amendment stuff, a little bit like

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you just kind of like just drop
a few hints and you'll be there,

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you should go like it's a lot
long afternoon and it's really fun because this

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guy is a true believer. So
a lot of people don't know this,

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but and this is true, that
all American gun laws stop at eighteen ninety

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eight. So it's a curio if
it was made before eighteen ninety eight,

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so a lot right, So you
could go into that story. If that

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gun was made in eighteen ninety seven, even if it's perfectly functional, you

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can go in and buy it and
just walk out with it. There's no

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laws that apply it to, no
background check, there's nothing. And I'll

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say it again, I don't think
that's a problem in our country. Right

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Again, you're not sitting there turning
on the news. They go yet another

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eighteen fifties rifle used in massacre A
blunderbush. I knew somebody who who said

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a normal was normal in the fifties
in New York City to watch a se

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young men boys going to school carrying
a twenty two rifle and because all schools

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had a right had rifle range of
the basement. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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right are My high school had a
rival range in the basement and we had

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this one girl's group, one club
called the Rifles, and they weren't uniform.

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Where was this East High? Okay, well in the West. You

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guys are weird. But I mean
that took rifle read like I was like

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in the boy Scouts. I didn't
take it to school, and by that

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time they didn't have it. But
like nobody thought you shouldn't know how to

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fire a weapon, like yeah right, probably when did you start shooting?

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Um, I'd asked that, I'd
asking Charlie. Yeah, well, it's

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always illegal. I felt like I'm
in a police cell here. And um

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well, actually, I mean,
although we don't have privately on farms in

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the UK, that you do take
the course at school, which we which

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we did, which was run by
the army, and then come in so

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I guess they did that. Um. I mean when I came to America

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and started writing about this, I
immediately got invitations. People would say,

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come to the range. So I'm
probably within six months of being in the

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US. Um. I mean,
originally my interest in this was not at

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all practical. I didn't particularly like
guns. I had an interest in the

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fact that, you know, the
press was lying about it, and I

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think that's really annoying. And the
Hella decision came down and I thought that

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was correct, and then I wrote
about this a lot, and then people

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would say, come to a range, and then I sort of enjoyed it.

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way. But that wasn't the impetus

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was that there was a secondary to
it. So I mean for a long

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time. But you know, another
thing that really irritated me on this was

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and I think I actually think the
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ten years ago, there was this
idea, you know, only white people

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have guns, only white men actually
have guns. And this was not true

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in the range that I used to
go to in Connecticut, in Bridgeport,

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which is not a particularly white town, and you know, people would come

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over and they would share guns and
they would talk, and I thought,

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this isn't true. I mean,
now the idea is absolutely laughable that this

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is a white male thing. And
finally, this is actually had become acknowledged,

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is that if you look at gun
sales in the last five or six

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years, especially the last three,
they are very heavily actually not white men,

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partly because the white men already have
all the guns, right, so

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you've got in this market share,
right. But that was that was very

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annoying too. It was because you'd
read about this and then you would you

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would people I would accept the invitations
of people in various places in America,

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and you know, I went to
one Denver, Colorado, and Connecticut and

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New York City actually has a gun
range, and it just didn't correspond at

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all to what I was being in
California. Got a gun range in California.

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It is not just white men.
So that kind of pissed me off.

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Angeles County, they had, i
forget, you know, strict gun laws,

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but not in Culver City, which
is a little independent city surrounded on

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all sides by Los Angeles. So
you could just drive into Culver City and

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they had a bud antique, you
know, curio. I guess sales shops,

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and then two or three gun ranges
and then gun sellers. So the

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idea was like the point of the
of the kind of a um kabuki theater

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for La County of saying we're gonna
have no guns, like well, actually,

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right in Culver City, you can
buy all the guns you want.

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I don't know if you can buy
a cannon, that'd be cool. I'm

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stuck on the cannon. We're getting
a cannon. That's rule one. We're

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gonnat. We're gonna figure out way
to get a cannon in here. Yeah.

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Sorry. I had a worker who
was associated format of the Teamsters of

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South Side of Chicago, Black Dude. He was also a concealed carrying instructor.

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Was rescue yourself right right? Exactly? Did anybody have a like a

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I mean I had a pellet gun
as a kid. We have a pellet

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gun, remember those Peltic guns?
Was it a CEO two or do you

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have? That? Was the pump? The pump. The pump was great

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because you could, if you really
loved it, which I loved, you

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could pump it up really really and
so it was you could feel it.

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It was like super hard to finish
and then and you're the trajectory of the

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pellet was better. And if you
shot it against brob brob, you're scaring

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everyone. Yeah, you shot it
against it. You shot against the shed

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in my backyard. Anyway, you
were convinced that if you're just a little

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bit more pressure you could pierce the
steel, which of course you could never

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do. But if you if you
only gave it a little bit, you

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could actually love it, you I
thought anyway. I was like, oh,

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what if I could get my site
picture, you know, the the

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cluster on the target, I could
get it a better. I could angle

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it, you know, because as
you're not going as fast. I never

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quite figured that out, but I
would. I would it for hours,

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for hours, trying to bust through
the shed until my dad got mad and

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uh and just trying to lob it
into the target. Yeah. I think

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cannon application is going to be refused
after the Testament. Well that's what but

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that's what they do with cannon,
right, because you you're you gotta it's

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you gotta get lost, right,
you gotta your ballistics ballistic Yeah whatever that

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is. Yes, okay, so
uh so, um, where's where where

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are where are you planning next now
that it's your job apparently to plan all

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00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:23,839
these. No, well, Matt
Baalter is doing another one in Milwaukee to

409
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:34,000
go along with German Fest. That's
like in a week, right, that's

410
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:37,880
like tomorrow. But the following follows, got a right, Okay? The

411
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,759
next one that I'm doing, um
stad a neutral observer and my wife and

412
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:47,240
I are going to Winston Salem's,
North Carolina for a science fiction convention.

413
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,319
And we've invited any Ricochetti you want
to come by to meet us and maybe

414
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:58,240
we'll pick up somebody else wants to
go to the convention too. As far

415
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:05,119
as another really big one like this, I don't have any plans. Yeah,

416
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,159
yeah, no, no, no, must yeah, I'll make a

417
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:16,400
Paladin's planning on. Oh that's a
cool. I that's a good idea.

418
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,960
I think that. Yeah. I
still want to do another one in New

419
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:28,679
York because it's so safe, um, and because it's easy for me to

420
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:34,079
get to uh you know what,
I don't know. It's it's it's it

421
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,639
is safer than here. Um.
But I actually do feel you feel like

422
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,440
this is unsafe. I mean,
you read about it, but I don't

423
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,800
I don't know, you feel like
this is a pretty trocious really got dragged

424
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:57,599
the dragged. Ye, it's just
you know. And then and did go

425
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:04,880
to judge in the delayed case for
a year. She did some reason.

426
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:13,639
You know, it's just yah,
our grophys they just drag him one behind

427
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:21,000
the cars or you know, I'll
tell you. So you know, it's

428
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:27,519
not good. That's good. It's
not good. It's no, it shouldn't

429
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:37,440
be as it's literally it was whole. We're not doing We're not okay.

430
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,039
So Charlie, if they if if
gun ownership went up in New Orleans,

431
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,559
what would happen. Well, I
don't know, but what I do know

432
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,119
is that there's no correlation, given
the number of guns in America already,

433
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:57,880
between gun ownership and crime, because
the saturation point was already reached. I

434
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,119
mean, there's five hundred million guns
in the United States. There's three hundred

435
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:08,079
and thirty million people. The number
of guns changed between nineteen ninety and twenty

436
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:15,920
fourteen by two hundred and fifty million, and crime dropped and dropped and dropped.

437
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,599
So the idea that if given the
rate of gun ownership we already have,

438
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,920
that if you increase the number,
you'll get more gun crime seems patently

439
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,119
false. Probably the opposite is true. That's what it's going for. I

440
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:34,679
mean, if if everybody on your
I mean, look and I'll live in

441
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,679
New York. It's not the guns, it's people. Get the people who

442
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:44,000
are likely to do that. You
advance, right, because afterwards the coast

443
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,840
is cleaning up the nest. They
don't, they can't. They can't be

444
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:55,880
right, And we're not a prevention
And if someone if someone's a harmicide albaniac,

445
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,679
they don't need a firearm to kill
people, right, you know,

446
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,199
we can't. Well we're just talking
about this today, driving through town where

447
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:10,719
everybody's walking on the streets. You
know, we're incredibly fortunate that this hasn't

448
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,599
caught on in the homicidal maniac community
to drive people over. There have been

449
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:22,280
a few incidents, I think at
the Los Angeles Olympics. Some guy plowed

450
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,880
through the crowd and killed a bunch
of people Germany or France at some Christmas

451
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:35,280
Yeah, gathering, it occasionally happens, But imagine if that caught on the

452
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,039
way school shootings have. What are
we going to do then? Can't outlaw

453
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:45,480
automobiles and look, we actually have
irrational laws and I'll give you an example

454
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,559
of it. And I felt safe
saying this hit because normally I get blank

455
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,880
looks on this. But so I
looked up before I came here to conceal

456
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,960
carrol laws which are quite good rosive
to the rest of America. I didn't

457
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,239
actually bring a gun, but I
looked up laws because I was interested.

458
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:08,239
And the law in Louisiana, including
here in New Orleans, is that if

459
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:15,840
you are if you have had as
much to drink as would disqualify you from

460
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,320
driving a car, you're not allowed
to carry. Now that sounds presumptively sensible,

461
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,679
but it's not, and I'll tell
you why. The state of Florida

462
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,480
does not have that law. The
state of Florida says you can drink as

463
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,360
much as you want unless you put
your hand on the gun you can have

464
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,960
in your pocket. You can be
smashed. Let's be frank. You can

465
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,480
be smashed. You can be blotted
three streets to the wind. English people

466
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,400
are really good, by the way, at using words for drunk. Anything

467
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,440
works in an English accent, car
park, gazebo, whatever you want,

468
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,800
you can be that. And if
you have the gun in your possession,

469
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,360
you're fine until you touch it now. People think prima facie that that sounds

470
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,440
a bit crazy. There has never
been a problem without once in a state

471
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,880
of twenty one million people. It
actually makes sense because the thing is is

472
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,800
that what you're not, what you're
not comparing that against, is a rational

473
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,239
person. You're comparing it against a
crazy person. And all of you,

474
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:22,159
whether you drink or you, are
more likely to be rational, even if

475
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,480
you've had twelve gener tonics than the
person who you're trying to protect yourself against.

476
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:30,559
The only point in which you're going
to put your hand into your pocket,

477
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,199
and don't worry, that's my phone, not a gun. The only

478
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,920
point in which you're going to put
your hand into your pocket is if you

479
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,920
absolutely have to, because you have
no intend to hurt anyone. I think

480
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,639
we need to rethink this every time
something terrible happens, is it has recently

481
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:53,039
in Kentucky, in Nashville, Tennessee, all of our laws are discussed as

482
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:59,519
if the crimes that are being committed
are committed by people who are rational,

483
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,400
who are thinking it through, who
care about the consequences, and they don't.

484
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,599
This is the problem. Look,
I'm not criticizing Louisiana's law as I

485
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,119
think they're pretty good, but actually
there would be better if they made that

486
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:16,719
adjustment. So you said, you
know what would happen if more people carried

487
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:22,440
under laws that were more lenient.
Not a single person who has no intention

488
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,320
to hurt anyone would subsequently hurt someone. I mean, there's twenty six states,

489
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,760
a majority of states have now abolished
permitting processes for concealed carry, and

490
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,119
nothing happened. You know why,
because no one who has murderous intent in

491
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:42,000
their heart cares what the permitting laws
are. So do I think that America

492
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,400
has more gun crime because there are
five hundred million guns than South Korea,

493
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,320
which has basically done Yes I do. I'm happy to stipulate that. Do

494
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,199
I think that it has more gun
violent than England does, where basically no

495
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,800
one has allowed guns. Yes,
I do. That's not to say,

496
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,920
by the way, that you can
replace one by one. America's suicide rates

497
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:06,719
much lower than most countries. People
will substitute suicide instruments for something else.

498
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,840
So Japan's suicide rates twice what Americas
is, even though they're basically are no

499
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,880
guns. But yes, homicides are
high because of guns. Mass shootings are

500
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,599
higher. Because of guns. But
given that that is a fact, what

501
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,039
you really want to do is maximize
the latitude that responsible people have. And

502
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,960
I think this is the mistake that
we make. We're obsessed with the people

503
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:32,960
who are obeying the law and not
with the people who are before understand will

504
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:45,400
have guns, right, correct?
What certainly crazy and it's a copycat Yeah,

505
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,960
yeah, everybody, Well that may
be true. I mean I remember

506
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:58,119
some years back where somebody had looked
out the statistics and said, actually,

507
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,599
school shootings have gone back to like
the nineteen thirties. You know, it

508
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:09,199
just was not a nationwide news story
every time it happened. We're now no

509
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:15,800
matter where it happens in the US, it's a nationwide news story. There's

510
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,320
a lot of crime now, there's
a lot less crime than there was twenty

511
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,800
years ago and thirty years ago,
and that's really good. But the mass

512
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,960
shooting phenomenon, to your point about
cars, is copycat phenomenon. There have

513
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,880
been thirty three peer reviewed studies and
I'm not a big peer reviewed studies guy,

514
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,840
because you can sort of hack them, but thirty three of them that

515
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,679
have looked at the media's influence on
mass shootings since about nineteen ninety six,

516
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,119
and every single one of them,
all of them all thirty three say one

517
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:50,400
causes the next one. You put
it all over the news, you tell

518
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,039
people they can be famous. I
don't know if you guys read this.

519
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:59,119
Hopefully you didn't because you're not weirdos. But the Nashville shooter texted her friend

520
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,719
just before or she did it.
What was the last thing she said?

521
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,519
Does anyone know? She said,
you're about to hear about me on the

522
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:09,320
news. Why did she say that? Because because it was true? True?

523
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,920
Right? Also a lot of these
school shootings of people who do the

524
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:24,920
antidepressants. Yeah, yeah, but
millions and millions of people are an antidepressants

525
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:30,639
who are not violent. You know, I don't know that it's the antidepressants

526
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:35,480
that make somebody crazy. It's the
people who are crazy are the ones who

527
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,679
are taking antidepressants, and in many
cases it works, and probably in some

528
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,039
cases it doesn't. I don't know
that those people would be less crazy if

529
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,599
they weren't taking antidepressants. Yeah,
I mean, there's something in the culture

530
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:53,840
that's either social contagion or it's some
other thing some on you know, brew

531
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:00,400
more than one or two factors that's
going on I by by that. Um,

532
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,079
this is a very depressing conversation.
So I'm not gonna I'm just rying.

533
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,800
I'm gonna get out of my cannon. Um. But here's the question

534
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,440
I asked when I'm we do this, when we go on to National Review

535
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,159
cruise and there's always that moment You're
sitting at the table and everybody se was

536
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:16,199
sitting there and no one knows who
to say. And I always want to

537
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:23,519
know this question because, um,
like this is where I'm not exactly widespread

538
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:30,440
in age, but close it was
everybody in this room always like conservative.

539
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:39,199
Yes, is anybody in this room
like liberal? Okay? So Ken was

540
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,960
liberal? Where was your moment did
you have? Was it one moment?

541
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,119
I also that Charles before in college, I'm undergrounded. Was we uh we

542
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,480
doct our plenties? We were started
off as they wanted to push it back

543
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,599
against our parents and our older generations
and things. We were ignorant. I

544
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,800
guess it's the tennism likely to say
it. But um, we had an

545
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,159
older coworker who's in his forties.
He used to work on campaigns down here,

546
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,599
like government you've run with the Deilnor
and such. He was a Republican

547
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,639
and he was conservative. You'd tell
us that we were young men working with

548
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,199
him at a bar, that we'd
changed our tune in about twenty years,

549
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,679
and give you something about ten twenty
years, you'll you'll come around to change

550
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,559
any way of thinking. And he
was right. I talked to him aout.

551
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,039
I was forty, and I said, yeah, I'm sure enough.

552
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,039
I got a mortgage, I got
a responsibility, I got you know,

553
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:36,440
got out of college, and slowly, yeah you I mean, i'm running

554
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,199
short independent, my wife's a Republican. I'm independent. Um, but I'm

555
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:44,920
still leading towards conservatism now right.
But yeah, absolutely left early twenties and

556
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,320
stuff. But it wasn't like one
moment you're like, wait a minute.

557
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,400
I think at a certain point you
just look around the world around you and

558
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,639
realize you don't really agree with the
you know, most of which you're you're

559
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,599
in, at least in the circles
I was, I was associated with.

560
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,159
So I don't think it was one
little moment where the light came on.

561
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:07,360
But slow progress for me, slow
ross How old do you know? I

562
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,920
meant, So, what was the
first where's your what was your what's your

563
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,760
first presidential election? That you could
vote in when you're eighteen, Like,

564
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,719
what's been Clinton? Right when I
was eighteen? It was ninety twenty seven,

565
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,800
I think, so the nearest one
would have been what names tenty sentence

566
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,159
of the one? No, here's
one's two thousand. So two thousand was

567
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,800
I remember helped the other Bush.
You are young, push Core. I

568
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:39,440
can't remember what about that election?
Oh I was. I'm trying to impolitely

569
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,000
ask you, like where you were
on that election. I'm trying to date

570
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,159
your moment. I was fact that
I was. I was Bush. I

571
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,320
remember sad and growing up in the
eighties nineties ran and then like yeah,

572
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,719
um yeah, I went. I
was at the boys. I thought the

573
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,119
polos has made more sense of me. Basically, Um, I don't like

574
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:06,679
to say Elean specifically one way or
the other. There are issues where I'll

575
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,239
actually disagree with, you know people, it would come on himself as stale.

576
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,440
You know. Republicans also bushe more
in two thousand. People forget they

577
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,320
weren't that different. I mean they
were not. It was not like,

578
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,800
oh my god, they were not
that polar ups. In fact, uh,

579
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:28,920
they both competed to see who would
come up with the most generous um

580
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:36,599
men at medicare plan. And it
was Bush who said I'll give you better

581
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,320
the more free drugs than this guy. And medicare partis that's Bush, and

582
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:44,840
so he said, scooped up at
old people. I don't I don't remember

583
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,039
the civil division right in that election. I remember people being very m men

584
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,119
to each other. They were afterwards, they were they were from the election

585
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,880
day on. Yeah, but up
to the election day it was pretty confusing.

586
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,280
Yeah, any right, So who
else was started as a liberal?

587
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:06,599
Start as a liberal? Yes front
where Chicago. I basically in high school

588
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,840
kind of exact rebellious, and it
was kind of a and you know,

589
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,159
rejected religion in such an I was
kind of out there and kind of slowly

590
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,719
wandering my way back. But the
real moment that gout that changed me was

591
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:27,320
nine eleven. This was that I
was actually really on defense. I voted

592
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,639
Bush, but it was like I
was seriously considering voting for Gore. I

593
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,320
found this a role. If I
seriously considered voting for a Democrat, They're

594
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,559
going to be a monster. I
voted for blood Voyevich and what ty would

595
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:46,920
happened to him? So I metter
nine eleven, I saw some of I

596
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:51,840
saw what the people were doing on
campus. I saw the they were saying

597
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,760
that the we we deserved it,
we it was on our fault and we

598
00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:00,440
and we should apologize. And I
was like, no, I want,

599
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:04,800
I want to terrorists right, And
I wanted to. I wanted to do.

600
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,119
That's what I realized. I did. I did want. I wasn't.

601
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,639
There was no spice for me on
the left. I would, yeah,

602
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:13,519
when you say I want dead terrorists
with them now that you kind of

603
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,920
can't go back there anymore, like
they don't there, there's no they've taken

604
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,880
your chair away. That's exactly that, by the way, is exactly me

605
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,480
too. I had absolutely no idea
what I thought about anything, because I

606
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,320
hadn't had to. I was born
in nineteen eighty four. The economy was

607
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,199
great, the world was broadly safe. The West want every war got into

608
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,760
nine to eleven happened. I was
horrified. And I heard people on the

609
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,679
radio in England saying America deserved it, and I thought, whatever that is,

610
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,840
I'm not, And that's exactly me
as well. Whatever that is,

611
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,159
I'm not. Anybody else have nine
eleven on their I mean, it was

612
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,360
late for me I'm old. For
me, it was fall the Berlin Wall,

613
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:59,199
the end of communism, because I
was told in high school and college

614
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,440
that this was a you know,
Reagan was a madman, and that there's

615
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,760
nothing really wrong with communism. It's
just another system and they're very happy with

616
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,599
it, and it's sort of a
little bit like tacky to be anti communist.

617
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,679
And by the way, their system's
fine and it's not in any danger.

618
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:17,800
And then the wall comes down and
you think, oh, well,

619
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,159
wait a minute, what else are
you lying to me about? And once

620
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,840
you start with that, once that
domino HiT's like what else isn't true?

621
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:34,039
Then you it's like you're it's like
discovering. There's a recurring dream that a

622
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,800
psychiatrist say that people have, you
know, like you're running in sand and

623
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,960
then you're you're you're going to an
exam for a class that you haven't gone

624
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,719
to. Whatever that is. One. The other dream is that you discover

625
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,280
a room in your house that you
never knew existed. Yes, that's a

626
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,119
classic dream, and that's what it
feels like when you suddenly think, wait,

627
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:52,760
and what else are you lying to
me about? And I discovered by

628
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,480
reading Paul Johnson's modern times. They
were lying to me about everything. They

629
00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:00,599
were lying to me about Stalin,
they were lying to me about uh,

630
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,599
Communism, They're lying to me about
American politics in the twentieth century. They're

631
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,599
lying to me about everything. They're
lying to me about welfare and welfare reform

632
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,920
um. And once that happens,
so it's kind of over. Yeah,

633
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:32,239
yeah, I just want where's my
cannon? It's like Rocky four was the

634
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:40,880
one where he goes to Russia.
That's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

635
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,519
right right? Why have you seen
what? You what? Your father?

636
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:49,519
I haven't seen any of the Rocky
movies. This this actually is beginning

637
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,519
to feel like a Chinese struggle session, but I'll go through it. Yeah,

638
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,599
just explain your explain your sin.
I haven't seen any of the Rocky

639
00:51:55,679 --> 00:52:01,960
movies and any other movies. Besides, you haven't seen the original Rocky.

640
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,320
Correct? Is this a choice?
I guess. I mean I wasn't forced

641
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:15,599
to out of it, that's I
guess. So we need to shut immigration

642
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,840
down. I can till we can
figure out what's going on. That's what

643
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,280
I think. Um, well,
I don't. I'm not going to vouch

644
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,400
for the other Rockies because they kind
of got a little bit crazy. But

645
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:30,000
the first Rocky is a great movie. It's like a great, great movie.

646
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,239
It has nothing to do with you
haven't seen any Rockies. You can

647
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,000
see the first one at least it's
great. It's a great movie. Nineteen

648
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:45,400
seventy seven, eight one best Picture. I mean it's a it's a really

649
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:50,039
it's a classic picture. It's really
great. You should see it. Yeah,

650
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,360
right, that that theme is really
great. I'm sorry the right way?

651
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,480
Um, anybody else? Who else
had had that conversion moment? What

652
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,760
was yours? How liberal were you
before? Though? Well? I was

653
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,119
gonna say business because for me,
it wasn't a personal choice. It was

654
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,119
I was a fourth generation farmer,
and so if you were a farmer,

655
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:14,440
you voted a Democrat for the Firth
programs. Where so very very tiny little

656
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:21,760
town and sort of northwestern Indiana.
Okay, yeah, nobody's ever heard of

657
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,880
the town, but it's about forty
five miles north west Lay where Purdue University

658
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:30,840
is, Okay, so middle of
farm country. So everybody was a Democrat

659
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:37,800
because you wanted the farm programs.
So then I married a ranking area Republican

660
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:45,679
and started actually learning about politics through
YEA, and over the years had probably

661
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,960
outclassed him and my conservatives and you're
like, hey, slow down, Like

662
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:54,880
yeah, well, uh will you
live there now? No? Now,

663
00:53:55,039 --> 00:54:00,639
well still in the Midwest outside of
is for you now, okay? Because

664
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:06,320
I say Indiana is an interesting state
because it went through that it did it

665
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:12,679
went through that change. Now it's
inconceivable that Indiana would ever elected Democrats statewide

666
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,400
at this point, right, I
mean, it's just not possible, which

667
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,199
starts my sister's nuts. By the
body, who still are Democrats in Indian

668
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,920
day? Are they? What's the
part is? It's just the Democratic Party

669
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,320
they have like the Democratic farmers workers
thing from like they from the old days.

670
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,159
I think it's I think it's they
could never really bothered to move beyond.

671
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:37,000
I've always been a Democrats because they
don't follow that much. And so

672
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,280
I was I had lunch today at
the bar at Galatois. So I was

673
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,239
working today and it was like two
and thirty or three o'clock, and I

674
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,599
knew that Galatwars open. It's my
favorite restaurant in town. I'm at the

675
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:52,159
bar and it's it's Friday. Launch
at Galatois is like a well, oh

676
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,960
you New Orleans, you know it's
like it's a it's a thing. And

677
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:00,760
so there's some people come from the
dining rooms just store. They kind of

678
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,760
come into the bar to finish their
long lunch and they've all had a little

679
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,199
bit. And there's a crowd of
people to my right and they've all had

680
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,480
a lot, and they're there.
I mean, in their acts there's these

681
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:14,239
are real. These are accents like
from a movie about New Orleans. These

682
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,480
are these are I mean, this
is real, and they are in politics

683
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,639
and they're all Democrats and they are
talking about politics the way I don't think.

684
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:28,000
I didn't think people talk about politics
in twenty twenty three. It was

685
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,880
like really old fashioned stuff. It's
like, well i'll tell you that guy.

686
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,320
I think, well she she appoints
those commissioners. So there's a lot

687
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,360
of that, like a lot of
that. And I feel like partly people

688
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,639
who are that kind of vestigial democrats, right, they like the order of

689
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,840
it, you know, it's like
they like this system like and I think

690
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,840
you think you probably find Republicans like
that in like Republican areas too, but

691
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,039
like it's for old, old older
America in places I think it's like democrats

692
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:59,800
that are like if you give up
the party system and the party hierarchy and

693
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,119
the party organization, than what do
you have. You just have to run

694
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,599
for office, like like anybody,
Whereas if you're part of the system,

695
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:13,719
you don't really run for office.
Like everybody, You run for office and

696
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,679
you kind of know you're gonna win
and you know you're you know, like,

697
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,960
I think that that might be part
of the appeal. But does anybody

698
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,519
have friends who are I mean,
how many people like I mean, I

699
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:30,880
obviously have a lot of liberal friends. Most of my co workers in my

700
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:37,159
work in Los Angeles, they're all
like extremely liberal democrats. Is that is

701
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:42,760
that that's normal? Right? Like
people say it isn't, but I think

702
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,119
it is normal, right. How
many of your This is like a leading

703
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:49,480
question, So tell me I'm full
of it if I am. How many

704
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:53,000
of your liberal friends say things,
especially recently, like well I'm a liberal,

705
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:58,039
but I'm not And then they list
a bunch of things they're not liberal

706
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:00,159
on and you're like, well,
you're not a liberal, then well I'm

707
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,840
a democrat. I mean, I'm
a Democrat, but I don't go for

708
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,920
and then they'll list a bunch of
things You're like, well, I guess

709
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,280
it's news for you. You're not
a Democrat if this, if you believe

710
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,920
all this stuff, you're you're maybe
you're in the middle, you're independent.

711
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,280
But they don't want to lose that
label. They'll still like talk to them,

712
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,679
they'll still act like they're, well, I'm a liberal, but I

713
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,679
think we're going too far in climate
change, and I kind of agree with

714
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,559
the de Santis is like a school
rules about talking about trans stuff like Okay,

715
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:34,280
well that's that's fine, right,
right, but it's it makes me

716
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:45,159
feel like they're they're winnable, right, no, yeah, yeah, but

717
00:57:45,320 --> 00:58:00,039
if you're talking about some issue schools
yeah or right that, yeah, I

718
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,440
do. I mean, I'm thinking
of the conservative liberal label. They're stuck

719
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,320
on that. I know people who
are working even more conservative than I am

720
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,400
on some things. I'm like,
you can't go around and calling yourself a

721
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:15,199
liberal. You with the most you're
independent, but basically you're a conservative.

722
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:22,159
Yeah, we're proms is good.
The first it seems to be yeah,

723
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:31,880
other strike yeah, and then yeah, it's a look, that's It's interesting

724
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:37,079
you brought that up because I have
two brothers live in the area. One

725
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:43,760
of them is a son professed liberal. We have lunch every week, and

726
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:49,800
he said the exact same thing.
I'm a liberal, but these things are

727
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,639
starting to you know, I don't
agree with what these things are happening,

728
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,840
so I don't pursue it because,
yeah, I hate to talk about I

729
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,360
love my brother I want to continue
to love my brothers. So we don't

730
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:07,000
talk politics. But he's bringing it
up. He's they're going too far.

731
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,840
But what are these things? Does
he say? Uh? I think it

732
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,519
was the transgender that was that.
You know, what is the talk too

733
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:22,320
short? But a crime? You
know, we were talking about recalling the

734
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:29,079
mayor. He's a big guy for
calling the mayor h crime and all the

735
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:35,320
things with the city that that should
be happening but aren't happening. Uh.

736
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,639
You know he's so he talks like
a conservative, but he calls himself a

737
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:45,320
little roal. I'm pretty sure that
he would vote Democrat because that's that's just

738
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:50,920
much nationally he would vote. He
would vote Democrat right in Orleans Parish,

739
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,920
he had to vote democratic because there
are no Republicans. What about governor.

740
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:02,440
We haven't talked about it, but
our governor is a Democrat. But he's

741
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:14,440
kind of an old school Uh,
he's the rights. Sup Yeah, you

742
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:24,119
know, real leslie to not be
alleged governor. But it's just interesting brought.

743
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:30,320
Yeah, it's weird though for me. For Democrats, just don't think

744
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,199
about Democrats as a party, I
mean the parties. I think you're kind

745
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,760
of dumb anyway. And I think
we're looking the volatility in American politics in

746
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,880
the past twenty years kind of suggests
just in the market for us that people

747
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,480
are I mean, the country going
from like George W. Bush to Barack

748
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,679
Obama to Donald Trump is like,
you're he's either a country having a nervous

749
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:59,239
breakdown or it's just the customers trying
to get the attention of the politicians.

750
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,920
It's the vote is trying to say
something's wrong, you're not doing a good

751
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,960
job. And that's kind of what
I think it is. It's like we're

752
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,599
at we're at afraid and look,
these party systems don't last forever. They

753
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:13,800
haven't lasted that long. This is
the longest they've ever lasted American history.

754
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:17,039
It's probably time for them to figure
out something else. But what astonishes me

755
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:22,960
is like you look at almost every
single American a general election or any polls,

756
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,679
so it's psychographic poll of the voters
that are non affiliated with the party

757
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,119
or that don't ask the voters to
be affiliated with the party, and their

758
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:42,079
ideal president presidential candidate is essentially what
you just described, a Southern conservative Democrat.

759
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:46,719
In American politics, still in national
politics, a Southern conservative Democrat is

760
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:53,280
nearly unstoppable, and yet there aren't
any. Yeah, there's literally the category

761
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,960
that never gets right. It's like
the answer is right there for that party.

762
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,920
All they need to do is to
elect a Southern conservative Democrat and that'll

763
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,599
be there, that'll be a national
figure for them, and they can't do

764
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:12,800
it. They can't. It's got
to be like you remember that moment in

765
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,000
the Democratic primary when it was it
Jim Webb and the and they were asking

766
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:21,239
all of the Democratic candidates in the
primary, like, what was your proudest

767
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,480
moment and they're all like, oh, it was when I passed subsection seven

768
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:29,639
B of the you know, of
the what angle should stairs be at Act

769
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:31,320
of nineteen eighty seven, right,
And then Jim Webb was like, it

770
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,079
was when I threw a grenade at
a Vietnamese guy and he died. And

771
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,719
the press was like, holy shit, that is so horrible. But the

772
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:45,440
public. I completely loved it.
And then they nominated Hillary Clinton and then

773
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:55,400
the Hillary Clinton yeatives, who are
no, but thirty years ago there were

774
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,039
literally thirty years ago, right,
and he was elected twice. And I

775
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:06,480
mean, look, I'm not a
southern conservative Democrat, right, Sam Nunn.

776
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,360
I mean you had them. They
were Al Gore. When Al Gore

777
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:15,920
ran an eighty four, eighty four, eighty eight. Uh, he was

778
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:22,039
the incredibly conservative. He's a conservative
Southern senator, Democratic senator. He was

779
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,480
a conserving, he was pro life, all sorts of things. He was

780
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:29,639
arguably as conservative as any Republican at
the time. But he wouldn't be a

781
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,519
publi no, and he wouldn't and
he didn't win the domination. I just

782
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:37,960
think it's just interesting that that that
I know more people who are are who

783
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:43,679
fit that bill like your brother like
is you know, he's winnable and and

784
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,159
and or were winnable for the Democratic
Party to win a national election for real,

785
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:54,679
and um, they just don't do
it. There was within the last

786
01:03:54,719 --> 01:04:00,760
week's who do you fear the most
for the Democratic Before I reread that,

787
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,039
I said, okay, just like
you said, he a Southern Democrat,

788
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:11,000
cercle and the old blue Dog.
Yeah, they put one up that that's

789
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:15,960
the Republican's worst night there. I
agree. I agree. What the problem

790
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:25,920
is you have to choose what's out
there, and the pickings are so sparse,

791
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:39,480
bad even though you're so totally devoted
to a particular outdoors. Here be

792
01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:51,519
your Democrats or yeah, whats go? Yeah why isn't your because you get

793
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:58,159
crushed. He wouldn't make it out
of primary. We wouldn't want him anyway,

794
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:03,119
So he's corrupt enough, he wouldn't
trust him. Um. But I

795
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:05,239
don't know, I actually feel like
I mean, I don't. I mean,

796
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,039
I am now I don't care about
any of these parties at all.

797
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:12,000
I think they're all terrible. Um, all of them are just terrible.

798
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,480
Uh. But if I was gonna
like bet, I think that the Republicans

799
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:26,960
have more, you know, legitimate
traditional winning candidates this cycle. But I

800
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,639
don't know why people are talking more
about Brian Camp, governor accessible governor of

801
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:33,519
Georgia. I mean, it's all
the Santa seems like he's a good governor,

802
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:35,599
right, But I don't I don't
think. I don't think it.

803
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:40,320
She should walk to it. I
feel like you have Brian Camp would have

804
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,920
been good, is perfectly good.
Governor has a story to tell. Former

805
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,760
governor of Indiana Mike Pennce. He's
gonna he's running. I mean he's getting

806
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:56,920
yelled at or apparently he's getting insulted
to the now you went run, he's

807
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:01,880
sensible who won't run? He's having
us though. Oh yeah yeah, but

808
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,880
I mean he's like you. No, he's like he. That means a

809
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,880
governor of a big state, important
state. Um, that person's almost automatically

810
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,679
you talk about that versus the presidential
candid naturally, like in American history.

811
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:19,119
It's weird. So as fun as
this is, ye, well passed the

812
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:26,880
restaurant closing, Yes, probably,
thank you. This is a lot of

813
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,840
fun. I hope this was fun
for you. I mean we I don't

814
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,320
really know what we're gonna we're doing
this. This will be a podcast to

815
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:41,840
figure something out. Yeah, we're
gonna monetize it. Perry Well uh yeah

816
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,119
if uh if UM. I would
just like to say, uh, this

817
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,719
was fun. Um, thank you
Randy for arranging it. Um. And

818
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,719
for the future ones, thank you
for to Melissa for doing all this.

819
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,800
Yes yeah, and also um,
we'll see you the next one. And

820
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,480
if you're listening, to this and
you're thinking yourself, how why was I

821
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:09,440
not there. Here's why you weren't
there because you didn't join. So whatever

822
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:11,599
I said to some of these people
here, I will say it again,

823
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:14,440
like, if you join, you
get to not only get on the site

824
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,960
and have fun in the members section, but you also get to come stuff

825
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,480
like this. And if you do
come to stuff like this, and you

826
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:24,360
join just to come to stuff like
this and I am there, I will

827
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,800
buy you a drink. I made
good on that promise, and a cannon.

828
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,239
But the cannon. The cannons later. We gotta figure the cannon out.

829
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:40,039
That'd be great. Yeah, thank
you, thank you,