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Hello. My name is Rick Houston
and welcome to the Scene Bought Podcast,

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your source for all things NASCAR history, presented by Las Vegas Motor Speedway,

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America's racing show place. Because I
knew I made it when I got a

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twenty five cent hour race and he
told me, don't tell nobody out there,

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and I said, hell no,
I'm ashamed of it. As you

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are, jump over the wall,
bent down with the jack split first thing.

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Sure, and I'm still jacking.
And I was in the buff.

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Barry said, left side and tires
at Darlington the Southern five hundred, and

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I'm only one that went to the
right or the card. So we're taking

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looks off by luck. Well,
I'm I the only one over here the

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day NASCAR and all of us associated
it. Anyway, when NASCAR forget it's

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past, that's today, we don't
have any future. Hello everyone, I'm

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Steve Wade and my name is Rick
Houston, and welcome to the Steam Bought

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Podcast, presented by Las Vegas Motor
Speedway, America's racing show place in the

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track that truly cares about NASCAR history. Now, I got to start off

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this week by asking Steve a very
important question have you recovered from signing autographs

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at stocks for Tacia? How's your
arm? Rick? I want to tell

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you one thing. I thought I
was gonna have to go to the learn's

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room. You talk about writer's cramp. Holy smokes, I have never in

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my life experienced anything like that.
Now, that was absolutely fantastic. We

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got there about five fifteen that afternoon. There were already people lined up,

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that's right. And the doors didn't
open until six thirty. And according to

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what a lot of people says,
they came through the door, came through

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the line to talk. They had
been there since three three thirty, that's

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right. Were a couple who said
they got there about five fifteen, thinking

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that would be all right. Well, by the time they got to us

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same line, it was close to
nine o'clock. Yes, we signed for

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a solid three hours, and judging
off the bundle of postcards I had on

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hand, I'm guessing I'm guessing that
we signed for maybe three or four hundred

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people. I think you're exactly right, Rick, and I do remember them

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telling us that we should be there
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thirty showed up, but we saw
that line still going out the door and

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you turned me and said, well, I don't think at thirty is gonna

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cut it. Well, you said
to me before the event started, you

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said, you know, if it
gets slow about eight o'clock, I think

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I may cut out of here.
That's right, you jinxed it, called

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me a dreamer, but I had
no idea it would take that long.

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And if everybody who received one of
our I don't want to call it a

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hero. If everybody who received one
of our postcards, let's call it that

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a postcard, if they actually scan
the QR code on the bike and listen

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to the show, well you're going
to be in business, baby. Oh

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yeah, all right, I think
it's definitely going to grow up. They

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do that now. Of course,
there were those you could tell they were

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there just to see the big names
further down the line, much further.

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We'd sign a card, give it
to them, and they'd keep right on

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going. But what really meant a
lot to me or the people who stopped

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to tell us that they actually listened
to the podcast and really enjoy it.

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And Steve, it continually amazes me
that somebody is out there and they're listening

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to us. That's right, they
really are. And I tell you what,

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Richie, you do would call that
we signed some other things other than

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the owned postcard. We sign sixteen
Steve Wade trading cards. And was it

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four or six Rick Houston books?
Well, according to the tally that I

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kept, you signed twenty four twenty
four Steve Wade Trading cards. Great.

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Great, And then you also signed
some candid photos where people had had their

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photos taken with you, so you
signed a bunch of those. But also

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I won for the number of books
that were signed this year. Now,

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I did not keep track of the
number of books that I signed, but

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I do know it was at least
I want to say six or seven.

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I think you're exactly right. The
books signed where let's see your book on

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the bus series called Second to None, Yes, and then your book on

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NASCAR's Greatest Race nineteen ninety two Hoods
five hundred right and del versus Daytona.

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There you go. But Steve,
that event is such a tradition in the

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morris Will area. It does a
lot of good. It provides toys for

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kids who might not otherwise be able
to enjoy Christmas, so that is a

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big deal. But also tomorrow,
and I'm looking so forward to this.

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We are recording this on Sunday,
and tomorrow morning, I'm headed up to

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Stuart, Virginia or Morgan Shepherd's Christmas
in the Hills trip. You do that

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every year, Rick, That's really
good work on your part. I have

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done that every year since nineteen ninety
four, with the exception of two years.

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And Morgan and his wife, Cindy, they will never know what it

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means to me personally to have been
able to do that. Even when I

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was out of the sport and I
had no connection to the sport whatsoever,

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they still cared enough about me personally
to call and invite me along. It's

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a tradition for you now, Rick, and I know it's one you really

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enjoy. And what service you and
Morgan give to those people up there and

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Stewart. And finally, I can't
wait for this. Tony Liberatti, my

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buddy Rambo. Oh, he has
invited me to a Petty Enterprises reunion and

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Level Cross tomorrow night. Oh how
about that? Holy cow, that's gonna

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be great. I cannot wait.
Now. I don't know exactly how I

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feel about being Rambo's plus one.
I don't know about that, but honestly,

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I did text Kyle and I said, is it okay if I come,

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Because I'm not gonna come as a
reporter. I'm just gonna come and

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enjoy the moment. So I just
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with Kyle. And of course he
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come, oh man, just come
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of Richard Petty, he is going
to be part of a roundtable discussion this

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Wednesday night at the annual Coekee Driver
Development Program Awards banquet. Kyle's going to

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be with him as long as several
other crew chiefs and driver moderated by doctor

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Jerry Pudge. And I am going
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Absolutely? I wouldn't miss it for
an old friend. Allan Well, Steve,

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I don't know about you, man, But when it comes to the

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interview this week and the one that
we shared last week, the installment of

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the epic Storytellers session that we had
with John Dotson and David f and Pete

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right, we're closing out the year
on a definite high note. We're not

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just cruising into the off season,
We're rocketing into the offseason. We are

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doing our best to still bring it
with the content and with this interview,

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I think we hit the nail on
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what, Judging from the opinion of
many of our listeners after the first half

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of this interview, we are definitely
on the right track. It's a great

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stuff. This week it is the
conclusion to our conversation with John and Pete

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and David, and they kept right
on telling stories with a full head of

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steam, just like it did last
week. They remember they're welcome to NASCAR

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and most embarrassing moments life on the
road away from family, and so much

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more. And just like last week, we are going to forego the issue

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of the Week segment because honestly,
this conversation stands on its own. Man

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said, have added boys, and
that's exactly what they did. Listeners,

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City Business Journals, owner of the
same brand. What was the moment that

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you felt like you had arrived in
the sport where you went, okay,

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so maybe I belong here after all? Who met anyone? Just general?

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Just general? Um me, you
know, being here at NASCAR Tech,

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we put a lot of young guys
and girls on the race teams and they're

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impatient. They want it now.
And I was the same way. I

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wanted to change tires, you know, and and be on pit road and

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all that. But I tell these
kids, I'd say, look, you're

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in your twenties. You have not
experienced enough to lead anybody or be the

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boss of anybody. And I said, you got to get through your twenties.

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So I give them the ears open, mouse shut speech. And that's

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exactly what the race teams want,
right They want to body ears open,

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mouse shut. And a guy that
really comes and learned works. So I'd

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been building race cars full time from
twenty two years old to twenty eight years

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old, and we were building a
spoiler for the chevallets for gem and NASCAR

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asked me to build it on and
had a dick lead on the table and

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we built built a spoiler, and
they had Rick Hendrick and all these guys

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come over and look at it.
Well, I built it. And I'm

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just standing right over here and Barry
and Rick Hendrick, and you know,

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I forget all the big dogs that
was standing there, and they're like,

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what do you think? You know? And Rick Hendrick and none of them

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knew you built it? No,
well, Rick did they knew I built

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it because I was bolting it on
and sitting it right and I said it

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and I showed him everything and I
stood back and they said, what do

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y'all think? And they looked and
Rick Hendrick looked at me. I was

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twenty eight, and he said what
do you think? John? First,

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I didn't even know he knew my
name, but Barry had called me John

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or something. And I actually looked
backwards. I'm like, you know,

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and I realized that Rick Hendrick was
talking to me, and he's like,

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you built this. You're a seasoned
guy, you know. And that's when

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I knew. Right then, I
thought, Okay, I'm twenty eight and

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somebody's asked my opinion on a race
car. Now, Because Barry would just

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tell me, you shut up word, you know, And that's that's kind

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of then. You know, it
takes it takes some time. It takes

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some time and patience. But that's
when I felt it for me. It

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was I was at Daytona. I
don't go what how old I was.

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I was young, and um I
walked by the NASCAR truck and that you

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know how they used to put little
schedules up on that peg board at the

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back. I was looking at it, and Billy Francis standing walks up to

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the back of the truck from inside. He looks down at me and says,

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Pete, how's it going. That
was it for me. Once they

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knew your name, he's Billy France
Jr. And he knew me yep.

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And that told me then I've done
something they recognize. Yeah, they recognize

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that. That's that's the feet of
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I don't know where forget that.
I mean, I think I grew

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up footing a half at day Yep. Well, I worked for Bud Moore

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almost five years and he didn't know
my name for three years. He called

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me, boy, come over here, So, yeah, you were doing

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something right. He never knew money
ain't and anyway, he called me boy.

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But I knew I made it when
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race and he told me, don't
tell nobody out there, and I said,

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hell no, I'm ashamed of it
as you are. You remember you

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remember when one Dale started uh hiring
everybody following that big money. That was

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Terry. We're near the dream team, I mean five Muhamma and allies in

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a ring. Yeah, they had
herb Nap left junior. We still beat

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them. Yeah, we still beat
them too. And then Rick had the

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all Star dream Team. It's just
amazing that different aspects as we got older,

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how these certain groups stayed together and
went to these places and we still

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beat them. But you know you're
talking about that you made it? Do

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you think you made it? And
everything? I think that things just went

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along so quick and fast. Oh
you're in your life in racing, you

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know, all of a sudden you
got it. I was making three hundred

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some dollars and Darryl call me because
I worked with him five racing. We

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got along real good. He said, come and be my crew chief down

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there at Dieguard. They were in
Daytona Beach then, and I was making

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three hundred twenty five dollars a week
or something, and I'm going to seven

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hundred dollars. It's hard to go
home and say to your wife, the

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kids are in school, we're moving. You know. It's like Barry,

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you know, when I hired Berry
away from the Petties. You know,

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I paid Berry good. That's why
they came for that. They come back

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when you got older, you know, and you had kids in school and

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wife and stuff, and anybody could
say this, your wife raised them kids,

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and it wasn't my We were good
providers. We weren't good fathers because

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we were never there and the wives
raised the kids and everything. And they're

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really the ones that need all the
credit because we was out having a good

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time at our profession. And that
probably if everybody took a divorce rate in

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racing, that's it would be the
highest there. That's exactly why I never

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took a crew chief job. I
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job and Pimperton left and and I'd
seen what Barry had sacrifice, and I

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mean a lot, and I thought
I don't want to be that. That's

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another reason I didn't like doing it. We both got off the road,

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you know, so I could help
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dad. And that's the worst thing
I didn't do, was to get off

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the road and spend time with my
son. Yeah, and I regret that

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to this day. But I was
doing something that I could take care of

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them, you know, making the
money care because I remember when it was

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at Junior's and house a Bush wanted
to Junior to give me and Brewer and

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Mike Hill contracts so we wouldn't leave, and uh, Junior had Prince South

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these big contracts, comes back there
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supposed to it for three years.
We're supposed to list what kind of money

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we wanted to make, how much
raise we wanted per year. And with

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me and Mike Hill, we're sitting
there looking at mine, We're looking at

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his his, you know. I
said, how do you want to put

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down that first time we come up
with some God off them gonna being own

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road down? He said that they
want to give us some fifteen percent raised

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next year. I said, how
much is that? He said, I

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don't know, just put down this. We put down this third year of

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rich Sun. But I said,
all right, I signed mine. He

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signed here. I took put mine
toolbach, they took put his and a

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little place he had there in his
little works. Are you? I found

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my contract about a week ago.
I was like, upstairs, got it?

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We said, all right, i'm
I walked up to Junior. I

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said, Junior, do you wan't
need to stay here and work? Well?

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I don't really want you lead that
you ever give me a contract?

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I said, do you want me
to stay and work? Yeah? I

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like pointy team, I said,
I ain't gonna. I don't mean no

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damn contract that that back your contracts
where nobody knew that. I remember m

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c Anderson, Harry Milling. We
had the Milling to Harry Millan. I

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can remember him, Benny, me, mc and Harry Millan setting in a

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motel room, drinking beers and them
shaking hands on a year contract deal.

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Harry Millan sponsored them. Nobody,
no nothing, and Harry asked, well,

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how do you want Patty says,
well, whatever, every month,

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every three months, whatever. You
know it was a set amount for the

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whole year. And he said,
you divide it up how you want to

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pay me? You want to pay
me every month, every three months,

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whatever? And that's ship and shook
hands on it. And it was like

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a two or three million dollars deal
back then. And that's how things went.

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And your word was you know,
yeah you I mean if you if

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your word wasn't worth nothing, you
didn't get hard to start with. They

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feel what happened on teams. You
when a crew chief got to let go

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because the driver they wasn't going to
fire. No, they let a crewchief

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go. Well, then he's coming
in and he's bringing all his guys,

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so you could count on if your
crew chief got gone and used with him,

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it wasn't long. You better be
better. But usually a crewchief just

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took took their guys when I left
one team and you know, but you

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know every time a crew chief and
new crew chief come in and one before

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him was stupid as hell and he
had to throw everything away to that crew

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chief had three million dollars, Yeah, to change everything. He might pay

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him driver after all, yeah,
yeah, or who was But it was

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hard to It was hard to keep
as it went on and on. It

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was hard to keep secrets because one
guy would leave the team and he knew

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what you were everybody was doing and
a lot of times as them, team

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them crew chiefs, and people hired
away. I hired Barry because money done

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it, you know what I mean. And Barry is probably making like I

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was at Bud Moore's. I made
four dollars in sixty cents an hour when

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I worked from my racing engine room
four sixty yeah, and you were it's

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time fifty hours a week. Yeah, and you punched the time clocking on

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and I started going in the hole. And that's why I had to quit

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one championship in nineteen eighty four.
I'm making two twenty five. Got a

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five hundred dollars raids, got off
the airplane coming back from New York banquet,

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went the best buying ball to VCR
for five hundred thirty nine dollars,

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and that was a raid. Blew
my bonus, blew everything right, Richard.

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They won the championship up there,
and Richard only had so many seats

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he could take, and he said, who I know, I can't take

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everybody, but I give everybody a
thousand and two thousand dollars that don't want

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to go. Cecil Gordon said,
cut the check money. I remember when

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I left Smoking Joe, they put
Cecil screw chief up there taking my place,

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and he come up with me at
the track one day and I met

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Darrell's and uh, he says,
how in the world did you do it?

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He says, I said, what
are you talking about, Sally?

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I've been there three full weeks and
I still ain't you who I worked for.

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All right, so here's one.
What is your most embarrassing moment in

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the sport? Oh? I got
that's easy for me, Barry said,

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left side and tires at Darlington Southern
five hundred. I'm only one that went

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to the right side of the car
and started taking lug nuts off, started

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pulling lug nuts off. I like, well, am I the only one

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over. We're here on a green
flag stop two on green flax of everybody

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in the stands was watching. You
know it up, Tim lung nuts come

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back around and believe it or not, I caught up with Jimmy maykof where

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we went. Because that's a hard
fast as I ever changed the tire of

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my life. Now, I'd rusty
have to say about that. Uh,

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it was with Tim Richmond. It
was for Richmond. I just joke joked

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around with me and said, you
know, said uh, And then the

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other embarrassing piece was when we won
the championship. The last race is when

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my tire cut loose left for a
tire came loose, and we thought.

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I thought I lost this championship.
But a lot of people don't know that

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Barry made me change pit guns that
morning. I'd used the same pit gun

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the whole season. He said,
your gun don't sound right. I said

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it's fine, and he made me
change guns. And I didn't know how

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hard to tighten that wheel. And
it took a whole hundred of some laps

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to come loose before it did.
But I still thought I'd cost us championship.

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But yeah, that that that Southern
five hundred. That was I never

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did that again. I guess for
me, it's working at Junior's. Of

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course, that's when most of everything
happened to me in my life when I

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worked there. But we at Talladega
and I went to chains Over to uh

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race day stuff, which was white
pants and all this. You know.

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I grabbed a pair of pants and
they weren't mine. Somehow mine didn't get

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back from the cleaners. Junior giving
me a pair of hiss, tell me

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where his I put him on the
way Junior wore his pants and the way

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I wore my pants a little bit
differ. So I put them on and

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they are tight. Oh they tightening. I can't even put my radio in

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my back pocket. Jason tight well
jump over the wall, bent down with

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the jack split first thing, and
I'm still jacking and I was in the

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buff. Couldn't stop, couldn't stop. I'm glad, I'm glad. I

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was down on pit roads around the
car and I can feel that arges man.

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I jack up the other side four
tire stock. I get back over

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his brewer. He's Mike Heels,
Shorty Edwards, all just rolling on the

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ground. Well here, Junior says, here we got to fix them.

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He starts taping my rip together.
And from then on, every time I've

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been over to Jackie racecock and feel
something back our pools. I didn't think

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the debate back fixed everything. And
the worst one I trying to get when

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I got to the truck after race
and I had to tag them off.

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Took three people to get them off
from me. He doesn't take my butt

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to my prinches and everything out in
Vaveline uniforms the same way. They were

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so cheap we'd all split them at
the same time on one pit and everybody

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tape up their crock. I guess
on a trip to California when we went

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to jail Mexico. Yeah, coming
in there that race track the next two

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a day later day. Yeah,
y'all were in jail for three days,

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two nights, two nights and three
days. Yeah, that sounds like a

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vacation. We didn't. That sounds
like vacation. It was three days,

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two nins. Well, I've never
been to Mexico. After Barry said I'll

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never leave this country again, that
was the same enough for me. I

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went on a cruise that was it
down to the but I never left us

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with Japan. I went to Japan, you know ra and then it won

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the last race. We got there
day late in that the old DK always

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had on the back of his car
was the Tijuana boards or something. Yeah,

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but next was pretty much he rose
though and stuff when you got into

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the track. Yeah we we we
Yeah, we was at MCNA. Even

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the dieguard team gain that. And
then to win the race, yeah yeah,

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to get just get out of jail, and we were scared to death.

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Tell you the truth, we come
in there, Barry, he told

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me. He scared. You know, it took me. I was thirty

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six, thirty four years old bank
then it. I always said, it

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took me thirty four years to grow
up. And that's when I growed up,

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right then, when they hauled us
down there and put us in that

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jail. Because you never be heard
from again. Yeah, And I asked,

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you know, one's America, then
the American Castle coming around here,

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something that's I he might be hear
to morrow. And fifty years ago,

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almost almost forty years ago, it
was me Berry Eddie trap two can two

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can? I'll tell you one one
morning, Catle the pro golfer, he

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lost his card over that. He
was supposed to be at Indian Wells playing

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the Bob Hope Desert Classic. And
we're sitting in Mexico in a jail.

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We was at Daytona testing in January, and Tim Richmond in that punty I

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was telling you about h Every day
we'd get to the track and you'd get

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out on the Lincolns we rented Lincoln
Continentals and you'd run around the race track.

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You'd run five or ten laps one
way, then everybody on the back

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stretch and turn around and you run
ten laps other way, or it had

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blow the engine up in a in
a regular car because all the little bit

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at one side. So one morning
Tim come in. He said, they

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said, we don't know if the
tracks dry or not. And he said,

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uh, I'll go out and check
it. So he gets in the

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car. He says, hop in. So I get in the car.

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So I'm sitting in the car on
the floorboard. He said, we'll just

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go out and see us. You
know. We go out. We go

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in the first corner. He gets
down and he runs. He saws on

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the wheel, you know, and
I'm sitting over in the floorboards, going

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on the row bars. So that's
the shady turn one and two, so

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he knows how wet it is.
We get on the back stretch. We

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come off a two, and we
start down the back stretch and he's he's

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he's riding, you know. He
looks over at me, pulls his belts

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down, puts it to the metal
and never checks up. And I'm like,

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oh, he ain't gonna live.
You know, I'm sitting in the

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floorboard holding He goes through one and
two all around. He ain't letting up.

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Red dogs is said John Boy y'all. Y'alls running one hundred and eighty

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miles an hour, you know there's
clocking, and started clocking us. And

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finally I scared to death. I
said something smoking in the back. We

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got smoke. We got smoke.
He's like, oh, okay, you

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don't want to mess car, just
grinning, pulled me in. I thought

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I was gonna throw up. Got
out of that car and they said,

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man, you run one hundred and
eighty miles an hour, sitting in the

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floor pan, holding on the bars. I've done that telling of Buddy Baker

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at Talladega testa one time. That'll
show you how to respect to drive.

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What were you thinking? Well,
he said he had a vibration in the

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car, and we changed dry schaff, changed gears, everything, and he

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says, this thing it went away, But he said went out on pet

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Row. He went one lamp.
Come in. He coming in to tell

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me. He said, this thing
still by. I said, there ain't

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no way, but he said,
get in here. We'll go down pet

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Row and you'll feel it. I
jumped in the other side this isfere they

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had side windows and everything. Oh
yeah, no on no side windows nothing.

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He took off and he man he
went and we went through three and

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four. He's up against that wall. You get a great respect for drivers,

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just you know what I mean.
I got out of that car and

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I said, I was shaking,
yeah, you know, and I said,

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how can they do that? And
they're body their selves one car?

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I think it would throw you,
but it doesn't. It sets you and

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then I can't move. Yeah,
and you're holding on. But if we'd

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have blown a tire or anything like
that, Richmond's over just a laughing,

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you know. Yeah, they're laughing
and he's over there grinning and I'm holding

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launch shaking. But but you get
a great respect for drivers. And it's

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it's a thing that there's only a
very few that can do it. Oh

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you know. It's it's different than
people think, oh I want to be

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a race car driver, you know, and and they want to be a

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crew chief. For that, well, sacrifice live in motel rooms two hundred

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and forty fifty days a year,
and that's why your wife raises your kids

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and stuff. The guys and the
garage think they could have been drivers.

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Yeah, yeah, everybody thought they
could drive. Yeah. I was one

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that didn't think. I didn't want
to try because I had too much of

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a temper when I was growing up. My probably i'd wreck everybody. If

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David you mentioned this a little while
ago, but I believe that you were

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talking about kel Yarbro and he couldn't
tell you if a car was loose or

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tied or whatever. Would you rather
work with a driver who knew the car

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inside or out or somebody who didn't
have a clue about the car or what

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was more dangerous? A driver who
thought that they knew the car inside or

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out, driver that thought they knew
the carriage. They I'd tell you there's

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drivers out there. Rusty one of
them. He could come, Darryl Waltrip

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because they Mark Martin, they built
their own cars, they raced their own

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car. Rusty knew every front end
set, and what do you got the

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front end set at Daryl everything?
You know what I mean? If he

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went Rusty went down in and I'd
done Rusty's bush cars. He if he

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went down in the turn and he'd
go through one turn, he get off

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start coming in and Daryl was the
same way, and Benny. All of

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them that knew their own cars,
they built cars. They would say the

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front end just don't fit it.
Ain't set right, and he said,

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well, it's just like it always
did. But then you check it and

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it'd be something. That driver didn't
come in and say the brakes don't feel

409
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.680
right. He didn't just make it
up. Something's wrong. And you had

410
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:15.599
to learn that about people. Now
I've got lost races because drivers thought they

411
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.200
turned that novel on that brake thing
and jack their selves all out of shape,

412
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:23.000
and we would be somewhere. I'm
not mentioning the driver's names, but

413
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:30.400
we'd be somewhere a little. I
said, crank some right front to it.

414
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.920
But the week before we lost the
race because he was cranking on that

415
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.200
brake, nob leaving it, and
Jeff Bodine beat us. He had it

416
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:42.799
so jacked out of shape because our
car was better. And I think jelln

417
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:48.039
and you guys always were better on
the long run. But I always set

418
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.920
the cars up better for the long
run. Your deal was if the pit

419
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:53.200
you had to pit, and six
and the eight laps, that's when you

420
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.559
wanted that car to go away.
If you had to pit and sixty eight

421
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.319
laps of fuel, that's when that
car started getting LuSE where he couldn't drive

422
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.759
it, but you had it was
a happy medium that, you know,

423
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:08.680
and all these cautions now and all
these lucky dogs and drivers around, so

424
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.000
there was none of that. You
had to race your way back to get

425
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.599
a lap back if you got a
lap down, and it was just a

426
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.839
whole different type of racing nowadays with
the cars, the one lug nuts and

427
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.519
everything. We probably couldn't even change
a tire now if with the one lug

428
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.839
nuts, something about coming out of
retirement, I can't hit one luck Yeah

429
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.440
I could probably, you know,
I wouldn't need actually, jun if I

430
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.160
run out there for one, you
know, I could do that you're talking

431
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.559
about justin that bright I remember the
Haggans. We built a road course car.

432
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:45.240
Steve Mill talked him and Richie Barts
taught Bale mm And into putting dual

433
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:52.720
master cylinons home and I mean this
is in the early eighties, and so

434
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.599
we're going to Riverside with it,
and we get over there and we got

435
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:03.000
dual mass Cyllinus. Well, during
the race, Terry has cranked that thing

436
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:10.079
so much the little of just inside
had come out of the sweeps that moved

437
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.599
the underneath the day. Yeah,
and just so happens of all days to

438
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.920
come a rain at Riverside. It
started raining. We won the race,

439
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:23.400
so we stopped next day on the
backside stretch and put they let us put

440
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.799
car covers on. Well, when
we put the car cover on, Steve

441
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:33.519
Mill had grabbed all the tools he
thought he would need and we put the

442
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.559
cover on. He crawled in the
car and covered sitting out there. Well,

443
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:42.519
he got a flash lighting on.
He fixes it. Well, still

444
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:49.119
raining. How much long as we're
gonna leave, Steve, I mean it

445
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:59.480
out plumb dark. Steve's them been
in there two or three hours and we

446
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.400
don't have radio. He didn't care
a radio with him, so we didn't

447
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:06.640
know if he's still alive or dead. And me and Eddie, no,

448
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.680
it was me and Gary department over
to take a car cover off, and

449
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.119
they said we could take it off
and take the cow, but we had

450
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:20.119
to put it back one and people
were longly allowed to car and we should

451
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:24.680
okay, when we get done,
it's gonna be three up. Well,

452
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.519
he Steve gets out and men,
Gary, we've shaken, you know.

453
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.799
We tape up the cow and we
shaken the cover and meanwhile Steve gets out

454
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:42.400
and he's crawling on his hands and
knees, up to the next car where

455
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:47.279
couldn't nobody pay much attention to him. He pops up, he goes back

456
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.799
to the garage. Got it fixed. We got it fixed. But that

457
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.160
was I mean, we didn't left
him in there two three hours. They

458
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.319
all said, you think he's all
right. I think he's all right.

459
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.519
I told y'all we didn't need to
run that crap on these cars. That

460
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.440
was Bill Elliott's first win. I
take that back eighty three. That was

461
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.319
his first win because we were leading
with Tim and and Darrel and Tim spun

462
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.599
coming off a nine and give Bill
the lead with just a few laps to

463
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.759
go yea three. Because I remember
having it go to the car when Tim

464
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.039
was on the backstretch we were leading
the race, and he smoked cigarette and

465
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.680
a lot of people didn't know it, and he said, bring me a

466
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.920
cigarette, you know, And remember
going over and taking him, taking him

467
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.519
a cigarette, and just me and
him. You know, they had they

468
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.680
got a picture piercing always he smoked. They had a cigarette. Like nobody

469
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:37.759
knew Tim smug. Nobody knew Tim
smut, but they got a pictures.

470
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.960
The green come out and he's going
off in the turn to Darlington. Cigarette

471
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.200
hanging out of his mouth and then
throwed it out. That's like Karl ern

472
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:52.279
got wrecked up. He wrecked his
bush car up at Michigan and we were

473
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.839
NB. Two and uh no.
Sooner than they had gotten him to this,

474
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.279
they were bringing him from his car
to the infield care center and Dick

475
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.360
Trickles already setting in his car in
the cup garage. That's the last race

476
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.239
he ever raced. And because I
put the seat in that car for him

477
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:15.360
over in his shop earning and that
when the second hard hit he took at

478
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.079
Michigan. Yeah, when I put
the seat in that car, I put

479
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.079
some some padding up here. Yeah, and he come in the shop,

480
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.000
just me and him. He said, get that stuff off of there.

481
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.159
I said, Ernie, you need
to leave that there. He said,

482
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.519
no, I need to put them
ahead of there, right where he hit

483
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.199
his head and the Latin last.
But we had to put a cigarette lighter

484
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:36.280
in our caring about them head risk
back years ago. They didn't lie him.

485
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.920
NASCAR didn't lie. We had Benny
Parson's and he never finished Bristol,

486
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.199
you remember, and wore him out
over wore him out, yeah, his

487
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:53.039
neck, and they had a caller
and they go in and that for some

488
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:57.920
reason they turned a wheel to me
it headed go more. But you know,

489
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.679
Barry come up with this thing bolt
on the seat, you remember that

490
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.440
Bristol, and they made us take
it out during practice because they said that's

491
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.599
you, he gonna can't see.
Well, Benny liked it. So when

492
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.079
we was butting them in the car
for the race, Barry got in there,

493
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.679
hooking everything up and bolted it back
on. And that's the first race

494
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.159
Benny ever finished at Bristol. Remember
we had Bill Elliott in the pits of

495
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.880
relief drive for him. Bill was
nobody even knew who Bill Elliott was.

496
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.679
Then everybody started putting them on.
From Brustols. We put the first leg

497
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.039
braces on a seat to go to
all the way up the firewall. When

498
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:39.599
we wrecked. We wrecked at Charlotte
tire testing or practicing over there. Rusty

499
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:45.480
bent the seat down and then Neil
Bonnet wrecked and his leg went around the

500
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.119
shifter. So that's what came back. And we're the first ones to ever

501
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.960
put leg braces illumining pad him and
all that stuff. And then now now

502
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.519
you're in a capsule, yeah,
you know nowadays, And when we were

503
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.440
doing that they didn't want. Well, somebody sacrificed something for everything we did

504
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:06.440
on the race oil bonnet. He
took some hardly career, but he was

505
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.840
a driver. Well, I'll tell
you when Ice was on the truck at

506
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:14.599
Daytona when he hit the wall,
that car bottomed out. They've seen it

507
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:19.760
bottom retires too, yep. And
but the car bottomed out. That's when

508
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.960
they come with these soft springs,
and they were trying to get them.

509
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:28.599
Everybody was running in the front and
everything, and they lay down on the

510
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.840
ground and that car he went through
three and four and it bottomed out because

511
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.280
I was clocking them really and it
turned him up into the wall. That's

512
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.599
what killed I was looking at myself
when that happened. Yeah, everybody ran

513
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.679
them soft springs, want to get
this ball. They didn't remember about how

514
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.800
to stop him and everything that bump
stops, they didn't have none of that,

515
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.400
and they were just they would put
the springs in it. Well it

516
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.079
ain't bottomed out yet, let's put
put some more. Take takes fifty pounds

517
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.079
more out of the front. And
I was a talent dagon. You know

518
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.119
how NASCAR trucks parked. Heers come
off four. Well, that's when everybody

519
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.199
started running on them buck stops.
I mean, all kinds of signs stuck

520
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:12.679
off and that. So I'm standing
up against the fence behind the NASCAR truck

521
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:17.360
and here goes the car down through, and it's like this just so happening.

522
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.760
For at that time, Billy Francis
Junior walks up and by and by

523
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.000
the time he walked up and said, Pete's going, I said, going,

524
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.400
good? Bill, I said,
what are you doing here? He

525
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.239
said, I just thought i'd check
in see everybody's doing, you know,

526
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.559
just carrying on a conversation. All
of a sudden, somebody went buy in

527
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.440
the qualifying mode and everything like that. Billy was looking at it. He

528
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:44.159
looked back at me. He says, what's wrong with that car? He

529
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.440
said, I believe spring fell out
of it. I said, I don't

530
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:51.840
bet you. Well, no,
it ain't got no springs. He said,

531
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.880
what I said, that that's sudden
we can do. Now we're against

532
00:37:54.920 --> 00:38:01.320
bump stops, we're qualifying. And
by that time, Mike Hilton walked out

533
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:07.559
of the trailer, and of course
Billy seas and Billy goes, come here.

534
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:12.920
Mike walks up. At that time, nother car goes by and that

535
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.079
thing just you know, rocking thing. Billy looked at Mike and says,

536
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:24.039
what the hell have you done to
my race cards that say we You might

537
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.679
allow it now, but after this, I do not want to see my

538
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:34.480
race cars looking like boats going down
straight With Mark Martin one yeah, stops

539
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.119
and that's what I had to have
a new kidney put in. There was

540
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:44.079
any feelings in your teeth, the
drivers, they were vibrated out when you

541
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.519
was done racing, he said.
In his career, drive a race on

542
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.239
the bump stuff. He hurt his
back, his kidneys. He was messed

543
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:57.639
up good after that him over that. The one thing that I have noticed

544
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.679
about racers is that they know the
races that they won, and they're happy

545
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:07.360
about the races that they won,
but they can almost tell you as much,

546
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.039
if not more, about races that
got away. Oh yeah, what's

547
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.400
the race for you that got away? How many do you want to?

548
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.000
On the other hand, you won
something that you wasn't supposed to. My

549
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.159
worst one far as getting away from
us whistling. Kevin Harvey beat Mark Martin

550
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.079
to the start finish line at Day
Tone in the five hundred and they were

551
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:37.719
wrecking behind us, and Mark Martin
as a spotter, was paying more attention

552
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:45.159
to the wreck happening than telling Mark
that Kevin's coming, or you could even

553
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.599
try to block him or do anything. But Kevin Alrea had too good a

554
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.320
run. But nobody gonna block him. But they never would throw the caution.

555
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:57.480
They were wrecking behind him. And
as far as me, that's the

556
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:02.639
one that got away from me.
Mine was DAYTONA five hundred with Kyle Petty

557
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.000
into Meliella car. You're not gonna
pick on Bobby Helen again, are you?

558
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.760
No? Not, because Bobby didn't
have any breaks but reaped. But

559
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:15.039
that that's it. We worked on
that car and we went. They did

560
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.519
not have all the side templates on
that car. Most of that was with

561
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.960
body on that car, and Robin
Pemberton was a crew chief and I was

562
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:29.760
changings rears on the car, left
left sides and we pitted and our gas

563
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:34.440
man um, he didn't give a
one can in the car. So I

564
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.800
remember going to Felix and I said, if you want to win the day

565
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.760
twea five hundred. That was the
first stop. I said, you're better

566
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:42.320
to get us a gas man.
Our second stop or something like that and

567
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.119
put us way back in the field. And uh we had a half half

568
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.679
lap lead on Earnhardt at the time, and he was he was the one

569
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.000
to beat. And uh we were
doing everything we needed to do in that

570
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.159
race car too to win the day
twenty five hundred. And then when the

571
00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:00.360
red came, Kyle was back there. You know, Bobby did didn't have

572
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.199
brakes, but Kyle thought he let
off the brakes and didn't looked like he

573
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.760
let off the brakes from Pitt Road. But that turk took one of my

574
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:12.280
Daytona five letters away anyway, hard
one. I think the first race that

575
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:17.000
I run with m c anderson Racing
was at Daytona and with Buddy Baker in

576
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.480
the twenty seven car, and in
the qualifying race him and Bobby Allison wrecked

577
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.239
going for the lead off of going
into one and two. They wrecked.

578
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:32.719
Who you were listening, No,
I was burying all of the wrecked and

579
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.199
we had to put that car back
together. You didn't have backup cars in

580
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.719
nor you fixed your car and this
thing was bent, tore up. We

581
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.599
cut bumpers, fixed it all.
And there was a friend of mine come

582
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:50.760
down from Ohile you got this free
help, and I'm there forget. He

583
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.280
goes, and my brother was there. He'd come every year and didn't go

584
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.519
back home. On one he come
down and this friend of mine told me

585
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.119
the bumper brackets all bent up,
and I'm trying to work on something.

586
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:06.280
And this was a Thursday afternoon and
it's going to take us all though till

587
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:12.960
Saturday. Fix his car. He
says to me, what I do?

588
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.079
I said, go straighten it,
and he went up to my brother.

589
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.880
My brother told me this later and
he says, your brother's just lost his

590
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.559
mind. He wants me to straighten
this here. But anyway, we fixed

591
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.400
that car, went out there.
We led the race one hundred and sixty

592
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:34.199
seven laps, and with nineteen to
go, Baker come on that radio and

593
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.920
said, this thing's vibrating. We
got a lap on the field. We

594
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:43.239
had a lap on the field and
I said, slow up, slow up.

595
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.400
He comes around the next lap.
He's a tenth quicker and I you

596
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.559
know, and I said, slow
up, slow up. We only got

597
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.880
seventeen fifteen laps to go, and
it blowed up with four to go,

598
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:57.280
coming down through the trial. Four
to go and then we'll Benny. He

599
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.639
was leading the race down there in
the twenty seven car and cracked the head,

600
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:02.519
cracked the sooner head. Yeah,
that was him, but I think

601
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.719
I was working for We had to
come in and put water in it.

602
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:12.119
Every that's the that's the race that
Kale, I mean Kale and Donnie Allison

603
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.639
stopped and we had the first in
car camera, first nine, first in

604
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.159
car can. That was the first
race run. Flagged the flag and we

605
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:27.519
won the qualifying race. And after
we won the qualifying race, Richard Benny

606
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.639
got out of the car and I
thought he was, you know, congratuly.

607
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.760
He said, we lapped Richard Petty. That's how bad they were.

608
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.000
That's the first year they went to
col Springs. They always run torsion bars

609
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.199
and leaves and they didn't know what
they were doing. And I might have

610
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.239
told this story went over there and
if somebody had already heard it. We

611
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:50.039
helped him out and will never forget
Kal. Richard brought me that mug mug

612
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:55.000
to Richmond because Richard was the second
race special special. His face on an

613
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.920
Internet and I put that thing on
that mantel for two years and then when

614
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:05.280
until flea market and this guy's got
five thousand. My wife would take her

615
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.519
out. Do you still have that? Oh yeah, I think we SIT's

616
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:14.800
somewhere in an attic or someplace.
That's when I was seventeen in high school,

617
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.119
changing Tarsha. Richard Childer that day, mister eleven days of high school

618
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.960
to go to Dayton. That year, when I got back to school,

619
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.840
the guidance council, he said,
you come with me, and H.

620
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:28.719
Miller counsel was his name. I
knew. He said, he knew where

621
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.199
I had been. He said,
took me to his office. He said,

622
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.800
if you missed one more second of
one more class, you're not gonna

623
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.960
get a diploma in February. So
I had to tell Richard, I can't

624
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.159
go to Riverside. I got to
get a diploma, and then after that

625
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.760
I ended up going to work for
Maurice when I got high school. You're

626
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.400
talking about earlier that when we went
out west, we always road vans or

627
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.119
something, you know. But boy, when we started riding on that big

628
00:44:53.159 --> 00:45:00.599
Eastern airline, yeah, we owned. We had poker games. We would

629
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.519
take people out of their seats.
Yeah up front, we would say,

630
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.519
y'all gonna have to move up front
here, we're gonna have poker games back.

631
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.239
I mean we would have literally from
the back of the plane, there'd

632
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.480
be like four poker games going on. Stewart is just laughing watching us,

633
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.880
and we'd be playing. You could
drink all alcohol you want. You know,

634
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:22.679
by the time you landed on Riverside
and you didn't know if you were

635
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.159
going to be able to go anywhere
after you got off the area, you

636
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.239
had to walk down the rada.
Didn't have didn't have a thing come off

637
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.239
the airplane. Yeah, yeah,
push that thing up. There was his

638
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:37.000
name, Bruce, Bruce Rowney.
Wasn't that worked for Eastern Irelane? Bruce

639
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.280
Rownie. Everybody got their plane tickets
to Judy Judy Short, Judy Short.

640
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:47.199
Yeah, everybody. Everybody got there
al ten eleven flights and they had like

641
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:53.239
what six seats in the If that
plane went down, that racing was it

642
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.800
was over. Yeah. I think
they thought about that. Remember did you

643
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:02.599
ever go to Japan over there?
They sent half the people on one airlines?

644
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.079
Did you go over there? I
did the first year and then and

645
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:07.880
then they sent the other half another. Well, they don't care about the

646
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.679
media. I mean they'd down the
media plane if it you know, But

647
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.000
like on purpose. Bill Elliott was
the top ten teams was you know,

648
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.280
three or four the top teams were
on one airline go to Chicago and then

649
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.360
I'll go over there to Japan,
and the other ones went out of Atlanta,

650
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.039
the ear and all them. You
know. Ferry didn't like flying.

651
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:28.440
So when we'd have two planes,
he'd say, I'm going on this one

652
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.039
and y'all get on me and Bradley
we maybe get on the other one or

653
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.760
something. He said, let's don't. Yeah, it just that way,

654
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.239
said, if one of them goes
down, at least mama's got two of

655
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.119
it or another. Somehow a lot
of people didn't like flying. Old Bob

656
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.800
Johnson, you remember, oh my
god, he would take a train the

657
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:47.599
riverside. He leaves four or five
days early, take a train to Phoenix

658
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.199
and then get on a train and
go somewhere. I actually went on the

659
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:57.760
train with him one year, did
you He didn't fly. He team and

660
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.440
Gussie did not want to know.
They wouldn't they wouldn't fly. Yeah.

661
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.079
I left in Greensborough on the train
and met up with him. How long

662
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:14.480
did it take? Three or four
days? Twenty twenty seven, Mawich something

663
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:20.960
like that. I mean I got
drunk and clovered up three times. All

664
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.440
right, So last question, last
official question. You guys have known each

665
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.800
other for a lot of years.
Well, what's a question that you've always

666
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:34.400
wanted to ask somebody else sitting at
the table but never got the chance.

667
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.480
I got one, did you?
Well, that's a tough one. Listen,

668
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:44.480
it's to day. Did you ever
take all that herble life? I

669
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:50.480
was. I was probably thirty pound
overweight, and he lost a bunch of

670
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.960
wine. I said, Bee,
i'd you lose all that damn weight here

671
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.519
and needs a herbal light? Whatever
you had, he was selling it.

672
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.440
He was one of these distributors.
He says. He told me about two

673
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.360
hundred dollars worth of this I brought. Yeah, gives it to me and

674
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:10.039
the man, I'm gonna lose this
one. That was an awful I took

675
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.719
it like he told me everything for
a month. Richard Busting took it the

676
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.119
ass mad and he was all about
it. We never lost a fortune all

677
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:24.199
that. He sold it to everybody
in a garage area. We never too.

678
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:28.880
We just laughed at it. But
maybe if you're working, you're gonna

679
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.159
lose weight. Yeah, here,
working boys, you know what Flossia had

680
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:37.480
a good way to lose weight.
Best that that you keep your mouth shut.

681
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:43.440
That's right. Quit that's a hard
question. I already know everything.

682
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:49.599
They ain't never held nothing back with
me. I think you get older,

683
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.280
you get get away from it.
Everybody goes on with their lives and everything.

684
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:57.280
And you know, when you I
was always believer. I'd done it

685
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.599
all my life. That was my
career. But when I walked away from

686
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:05.039
it, I walked away from it. I don't go to the I've done

687
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.599
that inspection deal for Jack McNeely,
but I think, you know, you

688
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:14.280
would like to still see some of
the old people that you like, Dale

689
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:16.760
Edmond, you know what I mean, And that I went to the Hall

690
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.599
of Fame when Benny got inducted.
Phil called me and said, you know,

691
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.159
he'd laid that he would want you
here, and that's when I that's

692
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:30.280
the last time I've seen Dale and
stuff. And you know, just seeing

693
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:35.559
the people that you worked with all
your life, it was like you talked

694
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.960
about a family, you know what
I mean, And it's yeah, it

695
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:44.039
still is. It's yeah. I
think about when you know, when we

696
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.199
were together, or we were together
and I was at different teams, and

697
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.719
you know, things start out great, but things in bad. Yeah,

698
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.239
But then over time you forget the
bad, You forget well, you know

699
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.079
this person might have done me this
way, or he come in and fired

700
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:00.800
me and got this, and you
forget all about that. You know.

701
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:08.880
Um when when? Um? When
when Barry and Ed and Pete all left

702
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.519
wheel in the twenty eight car and
we're in the middle of the season,

703
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.079
come over to the twenty seven car
with Tim Brewer and them, and next

704
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:21.440
race we show up a pokdo Well, I was just the weekend guy.

705
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.360
Well white Elle said, well,
if they all leave, John, you're

706
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.519
fired too, because I was with
them, you know, and and and

707
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.960
they we laughed about it. We're
like, well, no way they'd keep

708
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.800
me, you know. So we
all show up at Pocono the next week

709
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.400
and everybody's like, what's going on? And me? And why they are

710
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:37.679
the best of friends, and you
don't you don't even talk about that,

711
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.960
to think about it. It's that
that goes that goes away. You just

712
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.840
remember, I think the worst cussing
out of a guy in a garager everybody

713
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.719
by Wadelle Wilson. I was grinding
on a sway bar arm and he was

714
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.000
justin Baals on his car next shavings
was going to my god, he laid

715
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.599
one on me and we still prints. Don't get me wrong, I deserved

716
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.159
it because, like I mean,
I was worth for Jake at the time.

717
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.400
And you know how Jake was.
You got to do at the end

718
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.119
there and wherever you could do it, didn't care well. It's slepping like

719
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.760
when to run my own business,
and I was always a crew chief,

720
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:13.800
had to hire and fire, and
a lot of nights when you know you

721
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.119
had to go in there and get
rid of somebody, you didn't sleep good.

722
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.960
That's one of the hardest things to
do. Did I ever knew?

723
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.800
And Race always had me by his
own brother. You think that was,

724
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:29.519
but it was. It's tough to
go in there and fire somebody that's worked

725
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.679
for you for a long time and
stuff, and but that you know,

726
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:36.599
you go back to the generally,
if somebody's getting fired, they fired themselves.

727
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:38.920
Yeah, you just got to do
the d Yeah. You and a

728
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.679
lot of times you don't like somebody
at the time what they said, and

729
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.679
then you think you know he was
he was right. Yeah, I mean

730
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.719
you really come back to when you
grow I guess that's growing up. Yeah,

731
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.960
you grow up and you get into
things. There was one time while

732
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:57.000
ago you was talking about when we
were talking about drivers, the good drivers

733
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.039
that viewed the cars and all that
stuff there are. I was driving at

734
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.519
Junior's. He comes in, he
would you know this? So he was

735
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.079
terrible with setting the toe. He
can tell you in a minute if you

736
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:13.599
had a thirty second toe out,
an eighth fenced toe out or whatever in

737
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.639
a car, a rear stair car. Of all, well, we we

738
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:24.079
he's do wars out and we're practicing
for I believe it was at Charlotte and

739
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:29.760
then Sandy Jones was gonna set toe
point. Well, Hammond told us that

740
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:35.280
don't just act like you're setting it. What just act like you're doing But

741
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.920
we did. We just you know, put the hood down. He goes

742
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.760
out. That's all we did.
Now, Yeah, we've done a few

743
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.000
of those. We go out,
he comes back in. He said,

744
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.280
boys, I'm gonna tell you something. I don't believe y'all change that toe

745
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.159
any that's a driver. Yep,
he said, did y'all change something?

746
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.559
And the whole time we look at
each other like, holy crap, he's

747
00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:01.400
unculled it. Should I tell you
something, Darrell Walter and rich all of

748
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.119
them. But Daryl, you worked
with him. I working out. That's

749
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.079
why I was open. Hammond was
there or something that everybody that's worked with

750
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:12.800
him. He was a racer.
Oh Daryl Walter, and now I'll say

751
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.159
this, he he was the first
one to come in. You had Kale,

752
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:20.760
you had Richard. They couldn't talk
to the press that you know,

753
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.920
piercing. He wouldn't say nothing,
you know. And these were the superstars,

754
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:28.000
but the TV camera went on him. They were you've interviewed people like

755
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:32.400
that. But Daryl done for racing
what Muhammad Ali done for boxing. I'm

756
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:37.679
gonna tell you that heavyweight box was
not until Muhammad Ali come along. Casius

757
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.199
Clay. But that's what Darryl.
The camera would go on him whether he

758
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.360
was but he knew how to not
He told me one time, I'll never

759
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.559
forget. You need to learn how
to talk like the man on the five

760
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.280
o'clock news. And Daryl could talk. And he was a racer. He

761
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.960
run over well, he backed it
up. He backed it up. He

762
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:59.239
could back it up. That's one
when they called Jaws. He called Kale

763
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.599
jaws kill named him Jaws, Yeah
kill, named him Jaws and then Hind

764
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.480
At Charlotte he told everybody to meet
him all to k Mark parking lot,

765
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.320
remember that, yep. But he
could work on his car, Rusty,

766
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:15.679
because I working for Kel and Rusty. You know, if I'm picking all

767
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.239
the drivers, you think, well, who's who? Who's the best?

768
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.679
In the cars and the air as
they run in they were equally as good

769
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.119
because Cal couldn't tell you nothing,
and Tim Richmond could not tell you.

770
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:30.079
Is that the spark plug thing?
Yeah, that's kind of how he wasn't,

771
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.679
you know, you hit it right
on another. Yeah, whatever air

772
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:36.039
they were in, you know,
it'd be fun to see them all in

773
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.800
the same thing, same car at
some point in time. But when we

774
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:44.000
got Rusty, you know, half
the time we didn't have to suggest anything.

775
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:45.639
He'd say, hey, take a
half half pound of air the right

776
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.480
rear and give me a half running
wedge and the left you know, and

777
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.480
in the womb here he'd go.
And if you didn't argue with that.

778
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.960
And Mark Martin was the same way. You know, they come from ASA

779
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.519
and they brought a whole new racing
chains when we started bringing him in,

780
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:08.519
the say guy and Jeff Bodine stagger. Uncle COLWICKI Science came to racing the

781
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.719
yeah, and he was the owner
of the team and done all his own

782
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:15.840
stuff. And like Ricky Rudd and
Darryl Waltrup, seeing what he'd done,

783
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.840
he said, will I got the
sponsor? Why do I need it?

784
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.320
Why do I need Junior Johnson?
I'll own long team. Yeah. Well,

785
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.920
you know they couldn't do it.
Alan Quicky was a special type of

786
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.599
person. I see had four cars
in one rear inhouse. Ye he.

787
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.960
I changed tires for him when we
were splitting up with Rusty, and in

788
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.599
ninety at the end of the year
I went and changed tires for him for

789
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.079
the last three races. He made
me try out. Now we'd been all

790
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.920
Pro one A championship and I had
to go over there and try out to

791
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.360
change tires. But when you talk
about dual Maaster ceilers, we were at

792
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:52.719
Atlanta when Mike Mike Rich got killed
and they put dual Master seilers on Ricky

793
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:58.800
Rudd's car for that race. And
this was this was ninety and the front

794
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.440
the pit road is slow hoped in
Atlanta, and when he hit them brakes

795
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.280
coming down pit road first time,
that's when that car come around. You

796
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.039
can watch the video and I'm on
Pit Road and start hollering at them,

797
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:12.039
and I jumped back up behind me. Didn't even know where Pitt Road was,

798
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.159
but you can see me jump on
the wall backwards and and see this

799
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:22.000
taking place. That's just about Master
Riverside when Michael pitted and wiped out all

800
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.320
the Bills. We were being the
first Pitt and Bills pits. He never

801
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:29.920
had them kind of brakes and and
uh we had to finish out pit stop

802
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:35.000
and go jack up, Jeff,
go jack up the car and pull the

803
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:38.480
rest of the Bills group Chucky and
yeah, but stand insolve them out under

804
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:44.239
the car and then finished changing the
tires. Yep, that was a terrible

805
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.559
day. That's when that's when the
Pitt Road speed come into effect. Now

806
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.679
I didn't change tires after that.
Out there, changed tire and the cars

807
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:57.880
go behind you. Could you think
that's damn how close was it was?

808
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.559
It was scary, but you never
thought about it. No, not to

809
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:07.119
you witness that You're like, I
don't want to change tires anymore. How

810
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.760
many times you've been to everybody knows
Don Miller, oh Richard hit me in

811
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.840
Nashville. The only time. It's
probably my fault. But hell I rode

812
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:20.840
halfway out on the hood and finally
he stopped the wap. But Don Miller

813
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:27.280
everybody talladegg and it kind of ling. Buddy Parrett took his belt off.

814
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:30.280
He we was together at Dackguard and
he where he learned this, that he

815
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:36.440
was a paramedic or something in the
part time. But he worked, saved

816
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.039
his life. It's a tidy.
He put that belt around him. Back

817
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:43.440
then they might have had one ambulances
and turn one or something and he put

818
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.960
that his belt around them. And
me and done are tight friends. And

819
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:50.079
he'll tell you the story. But
when they took him in the he said

820
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.760
he could hear everything going on.
He had a big gash in his hand

821
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:54.840
in you know, and his butt
cheek and he said. They took him

822
00:57:54.840 --> 00:58:00.679
in the infield care center and the
lady in there said, well, there's

823
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.519
nothing we can do for him,
like he's he's not gonna and she said,

824
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.159
he said, Roger Penskey after after
Buddy Paris saved his life, Roger

825
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:13.239
Pinsky saved his life because he come
in and he said, you stopped saying

826
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:17.000
that he's not gonna die. We're
gonna do it, and he he told

827
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:20.519
him, you start working on him, let's get him transporting. He'll tell

828
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.000
you that story. I got hid
at tal Dagga by Terry one time.

829
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:30.400
Pitting and uh we're running against with
Dale Dale was Laden were running on the

830
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:34.599
back bumping and we just so happens
with Pitt. But it used to be

831
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:39.039
a deal with Pitting. It would
be Jimmy, then Childress and then uh

832
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.760
so our vice version. But he
tried to pick who we had to watch

833
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.840
each other. Yeah, but anyway, they out there running in the draft.

834
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.719
Terry's right on Earnhart and they were
running when they pitty. When Earnhart

835
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.440
pitied, we would pitt. Well, they coming down. Brewer told him,

836
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.760
says, stay on his ass,
stay on his ass. Now they

837
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.159
coming down through there. And I
went to jump right after day, I

838
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:07.079
went by off the walls to Jack. Well. When I did, Terry

839
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.679
Clipton knocked me up over the hood, knocking the wheels off from Jack and

840
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:15.239
old steel Jack I had and here
come I got done. Here comes will

841
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.280
Lynn. He picks me up.
I mean he didn't even change the Starry

842
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.199
come back and make sure I was
okay. And then I'm all right,

843
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.199
we finished the stop. They finished
her stop, and they go back out

844
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:30.119
there and I reached and I'm sitting
over in Jenia said boy, I'll start

845
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.199
jack and I believe you hurt,
I said, boat and my ribs were

846
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:39.079
killing flinging around the front. Anyway, he said, terry, and then

847
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.760
went by. You know one time, he said, come here, boy,

848
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:45.320
So what's on the car? I
said, what car? He said,

849
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.119
our call on the hood? He
said, what you do that hood?

850
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.719
When you hit you? I don't
know. Went over. It's a

851
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.280
quick I don't have a clue.
When it went by, and it was

852
00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.519
flewing this hood pins which just flapping. Oh you knocked him out. No

853
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.639
hood, pants are flapping, told
Jiff, I don't want what your kids.

854
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:09.119
He come back back by and I
went and I had my radio.

855
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.880
Surety gave me my radio, so
I said it and got ready to put

856
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.559
it in my back pocket. It
fell off on the floor just so happens.

857
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.320
When I got hit. It ripped
both of my pants pockets off from

858
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:28.159
my pants, stuck on it and
stuck on the hood. And that's what

859
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.159
Junior was seeing on the front of
the race card. When my pants pockets

860
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:37.039
flopping in the air. That's a
good time, right. I never got

861
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.320
hit on pit Road much, but
Billy Woodruf hit me right here at Wilkesboro

862
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:49.360
to fight. Yeah, Bardham,
Texas cowboy boots yeah around his fist.

863
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.440
I was the first one in the
ladies restroom locking the door when it comes

864
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:58.159
to fighting. Now, I didn't
like doing that. Everybody would always grab

865
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.760
something. We didn't have a lot
of deals, but that one you guys

866
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:07.119
had with when we won the All
Star Race, Well we didn't. I

867
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.079
didn't start it, but we I've
had a good role in finish it.

868
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:15.119
Yeah. Well yeah, Sandy Jones, you're going to last quarter last.

869
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:20.199
You do what you're supposed to.
Yeah, I don't blame Rusty one,

870
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:24.159
damn bit. Do you do what
you gotta do them different? Raymond Bede'll

871
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.639
give me two thousand dollars the next
day, and he said this is for

872
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:34.360
the race, not to fight.
All right, guys, will you got

873
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:38.360
anything else? You've got a list? Well, you've got a list here,

874
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:43.000
so do you have your list?
Come on. When I've been working,

875
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.679
you know, I'm thinking, well, I'm anticipating coming here, and

876
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.679
I just write down a little things
that I remembered so I got a bunch

877
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.039
of stories in today. Um,
you know, and and and you when

878
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.400
you sit down and start thinking back, there's more. Oh and and you

879
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:00.320
know, I got a bunch of
them in most of my stories. There's

880
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:04.239
some stories from me with you,
but most of my stories with Barry.

881
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.360
Yeah, you know it. We
called at that time. Y'all were at

882
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.480
the track all the time. You
came to Sunday mornings or Saturday when it

883
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.039
was far off. So I was. I stayed back around the shop.

884
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.519
So that's who is my driver,
So I around him all the time.

885
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.440
Yeah, But I mean we we
back in them days, and you know

886
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:24.880
you're a teenager. We'd work on
that car all day and then we'd go

887
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:30.920
golf till dark, or we go
fishing. We used to. We used

888
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.880
to think your brother was a met
couldn't talk. I don't say nothing.

889
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:39.159
Well, you know, Barry wouldn't
talk to him about eleven twelve o'clock in

890
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:44.199
the morning. He wasn't a morning
talked to him after lun after lunch.

891
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.159
If I finally I get on I
get on him. I'd say, Barry,

892
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:50.239
it's eleven twelve o'clock. You can
talk now. Yeah, And he

893
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:53.000
kept looking at me for about a
month. Speak to Barry to lunch extra

894
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:58.000
lunch. He was he wasn't a
morning person. That's the one story I

895
01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.719
was on say remember when I don't
know if you ever heard it, but

896
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:06.480
him and uh Wayne Dalton. Yeah, they're the ones that they worked at

897
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.960
their petties. They worked at patties
and had come down from it. They

898
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:15.480
bought that car and was redoing it. It had been recked. They bought

899
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.840
wrecked cars in the week. They
had a body shop and they would buy

900
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.320
crashed cars right, and they cut
two cars in half and build one right,

901
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:23.840
and then go sell them to the
Toyota place. And then then we'd

902
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:28.039
picked the car they go to random
and and we'd drive to the races and

903
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.800
work on Well, this is the
story I always heard from Dale. They

904
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:36.400
built a buick. They got a
buick and they put it together and that's

905
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:43.199
when the demo switches went to the
Stern Wheel and they sold it to Lee

906
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.840
Lee Petty and said Lee drove it
for a couple of days, you know,

907
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.559
said all of a sudden, here
comes Lee back. He pulled open

908
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:55.920
door, pulls it into garage,
opened the door and he's then pulled all

909
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:02.400
the carpet out. He got that
pipe on his He's told they'll get barrying

910
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.719
Wayne over there. You need to
talk to them. Well, they come

911
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:11.760
over there, and he said,
they'll say the puffing my pipe. Said,

912
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.320
boys, I know you've done something
with it, but we're in the

913
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:20.559
hell to dim or switch at Lee
boy was one of them. Oh my

914
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:26.679
god, I think as one story
and said he never forgot that they didn't

915
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:30.000
feel like they were making enough money
at the petties, and you went for

916
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:32.639
money and MC was paying the money. And so they had quit the petties

917
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.920
and had a shopping random and they
worked out of it during the week and

918
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:39.679
then we'd go to the race tracks
on the weekend. So I drove them

919
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.519
too, did a lot of driving. That's what you'd done. You drove

920
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.519
up. We'd leave some million millar
four I was thirty. I was a

921
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:51.239
million millar before I was thirty years
old. Yea. But always when that's

922
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.760
one thing I always thought about Bear. Every time I think about him,

923
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.119
I think about that time he hid
the demo switch from him. I'll say

924
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.360
again about Barry. I was thinking
of bout him yesterday because it's coming up

925
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:06.440
on the anniversary of his death here
in December. But he loved racing and

926
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:10.400
he was good at it. And
I mean that Kyle was a racer.

927
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.639
He he built model cars in our
house and you know, his teenage little

928
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.639
and he'd come out of the hall
and and he'd go up the hallway to

929
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:18.679
the kitchen to go get him something
to drinking. But he'd come out the

930
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:23.639
hall like he's driving and go up
against the wall and make a race car

931
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:28.360
noise. And that's that's what I
want to see from kids. Is it

932
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.199
in your heart that you want to
race? Isn't really in your heart?

933
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.719
And boy, he had it.
You know, he had it way more

934
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:36.400
than I did. And I thought
I was crazy about it. But that's

935
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:41.920
what makes you when you move and
you lose your wife and everything else.

936
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:45.360
Yeah, and you stay with that
race car and you stay with that race

937
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.079
car. You know how much he
loved it. But I'd tells him he

938
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:53.239
was good at it. Yeah,
that's just like when Adam, my son

939
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:57.039
wanted to get into it. I
found that real quick. It was in

940
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.320
his heart too, because like it
was mine. And that's reading I lived

941
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.199
and keep on doing what he did. Dude, you know we got killed

942
01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:05.360
if you really look at the families, you know, like Buddy Party,

943
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:10.239
even his two sons went up and
even my boys are not at Gary's in

944
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:14.159
it. He does an inspection deal
for them, but boys with us,

945
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.639
you know, and they're going up
the ladder you know and everything. So

946
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.199
do you have a brother that was
in the speed Yeah, Larry Larry Okay

947
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:27.000
truck for Robert Yates. Well we
just talked about him on the podcast two

948
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:30.599
or three weeks ago, and he
was driving the Yates truck went down.

949
01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:35.000
Brakes went out at Watkins Lynn.
Yeah, Watkins happening and they find out

950
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:39.559
Ford really find out something happened to
the brakes. He didn't heat him up

951
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:45.079
because he was that's what he was
riding with him, Joey Knuckles and another

952
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:50.199
fella. Um. Yeah, and
I remember Devin de Devin was with them,

953
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:53.800
worked in the motor room. Yeah. He's the one that owns always

954
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:59.719
barbecues now, ain't he is?
That Devin Towns and were what they do.

955
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.880
But yeah, he come down here. He actually worked worked for me

956
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:09.360
at Race Hill Farms. And then
when I left, Jack Beebe and them

957
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:14.239
and and well Jack kind of quit
and Ronnie went with drove for that guy

958
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.400
from California up there, the old
petty shop up there and can curb.

959
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:21.920
Yeah, I kind of went on
my own and everything, and UH would

960
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:29.079
just building stuff by myself and everything. And Larry went to work for over

961
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.159
there for Robert. I got him
a job with Robert over there and everything.

962
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:35.679
As you talk about Jimmy Maker and
them, you know, Jimmy worked

963
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:41.440
for UH for Robert Gee when he
first came. Yeah, and he worked

964
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:48.119
for Bernstein there you remember, and
when Dick Morosso we killed and that I

965
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:51.599
you know, he was Bernstein kind
of was getting out of it. And

966
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:55.039
I told Jimmy Maker, I said, why don't you go over there to

967
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:59.800
Gibbs and get in over there?
You know that'd be the place to go

968
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.199
an upcoming thing because they were talking
about Gibbs buying Bernstein stuff. But Danny

969
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:06.679
didn't. But what's his name been
over there for a long time to work

970
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:12.760
for Phil martowskis at Square d Car
what he worked there. I told him

971
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.159
cool there And I told four or
five people, the good people governor and

972
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.520
see Jimmy Maker because he went in
as a you know, I can remember

973
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:26.520
when Jimmy him and his daddy had
their car, and they came here and

974
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.039
they would go through race tracks,
you know as car fillers, you know,

975
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.199
like they didn't have enough cards and
make a show. And I remember

976
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.199
sometimes they wouldn't even make the show. He said he made five bucks an

977
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:40.800
hour working at Robert G's at night
on Robert G's cars. And you're talking

978
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.279
about Barry, Well, I goes
thinking about this. You know, when

979
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:46.119
you're racing, you got this connection. You don't even have to talk sometimes,

980
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.840
you know what I mean. During
a race, Oh yeah, Barry

981
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:53.319
were yeah, and me and him
were that. I look at him and

982
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:55.560
he you know what I mean,
he knew what I was thinking, and

983
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:57.840
I knew what he was thinking.
And I were that way. We were

984
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.319
at dayton of five hundred first race, were usty, you know, and

985
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:04.840
uh, we we're gonna have to
gas gas and go. Well, how

986
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:09.000
many times you've seen rusty slide through
a pit, you know? So I

987
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.640
just look at Barry and I said, I did like that, and I

988
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.159
grab He saw me grab a gas
can. I went three stalls down at

989
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:20.039
Daytona to the opening in the pits. No, no, no, I

990
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.920
had a gas can sitting on a
bench. I'm sitting here beside of I

991
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:29.199
forget who it was. Might have
been with three pits up and they said

992
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.760
what are you doing? I was
just hang on, just hang on.

993
01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:36.439
Rusty comes in no pit road speed. You're in Daytona. You come down

994
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:41.840
there, he said. Marry says
three two one, you know how many

995
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:46.239
pits And he says, get him, John, get him. I step

996
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:50.399
out of pit road because the Rusty
knows you don't have to, you know,

997
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:54.520
he sees me. He comes sliding
up to me, he cocks that

998
01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:58.760
car sideways and all idea was plugging
in and had like eight laps to go

999
01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:00.079
and went out. We fin us
in the top ten. You know.

1000
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.439
But that's the telepathy or whatever you
want to call it, that you have

1001
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.960
and racing. And Rusty never said
a word. He just like he saw

1002
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:13.199
me step out letter right too.
That's why I wouldn't know. When you

1003
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.279
try to keep the same people that's
working with even if you move around.

1004
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.560
You I've only had four jobs,
spend more time with them when you did

1005
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:23.079
with your family. You know.
On the you ever had a real job.

1006
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:26.960
Never, I don't know. I
never had a real job. I

1007
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.479
mean we always got paid to help
bunk. I mean to do something we

1008
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.039
loved. You know, that's what
you always say. I never had a

1009
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:36.119
real job, but you always tried
to. Once you work together and you,

1010
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:40.640
like you said, you're with the
people more than anything else, and

1011
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:45.079
that it's it's and if something happened
to one person, everybody was there.

1012
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.640
Yeah. I mean, you know, I hate like when Barry lost his

1013
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:53.319
kids like you know, like I
did, and when I lost at him,

1014
01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:57.720
you wouldn't you know? Just people
you had forgot about for twenty years

1015
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:00.800
were back. Oh yeah, you
know, just showed how much family it

1016
01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:04.279
is. Well, it's just like
right here, I haven't seen John probably

1017
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:09.119
twenty twenty five years, five years. And you know what's it take to

1018
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:13.359
pull in here? Many times I
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1019
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:16.199
but he's never here. He's you
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1020
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:29.359
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by Las Vegas Motor Speedway, America's
racing show place. John Dotson said that

1038
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:57.800
he felt like he had arrived into
sport when Rick Hendrick called him by name

1039
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.560
and asked him what he thought about
a spoiler that he had built for NASCAR's

1040
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:05.439
approval process. Bill France Junior called
Pete Wright by name, and he said,

1041
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:10.079
Hey, Pete, how are you
doing When a competitor in the garage

1042
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:15.840
calls you by name? Basically,
any competitor calls you by name, number

1043
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.079
one, I take that as a
sign of respect. I take it as

1044
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:23.640
a sign that they know who you
are. But for somebody like Rick Hendrick

1045
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:29.159
to know your name, Bill France
Junior, to know your name, that's

1046
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:32.079
a pretty big deal. Now,
cool story here. I saw David Green

1047
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:38.479
at stocks for TODs and we talked
for a long time before everything got started,

1048
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:43.079
and David was the very first person
in the NASCAR community to call me

1049
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:47.000
by name. I'm telling you,
I thought that that was a big deal.

1050
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:51.680
NASCAR Bus Series champion knows who I
am. Well, that kind of

1051
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.640
thing happened to me a long time
ago, as you might expect, Rick,

1052
01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:00.079
and that was when I was still
working in Rome. I was a

1053
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:05.079
job as a racing writer from maybe
maybe my second poor year, and I

1054
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:12.039
got called by my first name in
the same day by Richard Petty and Benny

1055
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:16.399
Parsons. And Benny Parsons from that
day on for the next couple of decades

1056
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:21.880
always called me by my first name, as did Richard. Looking back on

1057
01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:26.960
your career, what do you consider
the moment that you felt like you had

1058
01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:30.000
arrived in NASCAR? Was it Richard
and Benny calling you by name or was

1059
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.600
it something else? Mostly Richard and
Benny calling me by my name. That's

1060
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:40.239
when I first realized I had some
familiarity with these guys, and that was

1061
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:44.760
so important as being a writer.
You can get your best step from guys

1062
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.399
who know you, are willing to
call you by your first name, and

1063
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:51.319
who trust you. There they'll tell
you what you want to know, and

1064
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:58.039
that is a great and who trust
you. That's right, That's that's the

1065
01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:01.359
big deal. Yeah. Absolutely,
When they trust you, that's when you

1066
01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:03.600
get the good stuff. And I'm
gonna be honest with you. I don't

1067
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:09.199
know if I belong in NASCAR yet, come on, Rick. A couple

1068
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:13.159
of things stand out to me,
in particular, getting my company credit card

1069
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:18.039
when I went to work for Weston
Cup saying and flying to my first race

1070
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:25.079
at Pocono in nineteen ninety five.
The company credit card meant that I wasn't

1071
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:28.319
gonna have to sneak food out of
the press box or sleep in my car

1072
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:32.239
in the media parking lot anymore.
And I can remember going to that first

1073
01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.119
race and deb and I went to
dinner that night, our first night in

1074
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:40.840
town. I was looking at the
menu, and I was used to looking

1075
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:45.680
at the low end of the menu, and I looked at that menu,

1076
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:46.880
and she asked me what I was
gonna have, and I said, well,

1077
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.680
it looks like the hamburgers the cheapest
thing on the menu, so I'll

1078
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:55.600
just get that. And deb I
actually told me, she said, if

1079
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:59.520
that's what you want, fine order
the hamburger. But you don't have to

1080
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:03.279
limit yourself like that. Our bosses
understand that we work hard and they want

1081
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:05.960
to take care of us, and
they do take care of us, and

1082
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:11.479
so get whatever you want. Well, that was a good story, but

1083
01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:15.640
I think I took her a little
too seriously. Don't tell me you went

1084
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:20.800
to a Chinese buffet. I went
to Chinese buffets for the next ten years,

1085
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:28.760
and then flying to Pocono. Oh
yeah, I was a big shot

1086
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:32.479
then, and obviously I came to
have a very definite love hate relationship with

1087
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:39.560
flying, but that's another story for
another episode. Well, I was in

1088
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:44.039
the same position you were for a
long time. We didn't fly it from

1089
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:49.119
Ronald very much to cover anything except
for the occasional football game or basketball game,

1090
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:55.199
certainly not racing. I had to
beg to get a flight to Michigan

1091
01:16:55.239 --> 01:17:00.600
in nineteen seventy seven to see Richard
petty debut is Chivrolet, which is a

1092
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.119
huge story down the South, and
they didn't allow me to fly. But

1093
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:08.800
as that recalled, until I got
the scene, that was probably the only

1094
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:14.119
time I ever flew to cover a
race. David made the comment that he

1095
01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:18.000
was a great provider for his family, but maybe not the greatest of Dad's

1096
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:23.039
because he was gone so much.
Now. I know that this is a

1097
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:26.079
touchy subject for a lot of people
in the sport, but it's something that

1098
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.359
really hit me hard because I might
have been a big shot getting on that

1099
01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:32.199
plane or hitting the road driving back
and forth to and from races every week,

1100
01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:38.000
but that was a lot of time
away from home. I've always said

1101
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:42.319
that travel was the best part of
the job and the worst part of the

1102
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:45.439
job. I mean, in what
other job could I have possibly once caught

1103
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:49.159
a foul ball at a Los Angeles
Dodgers game. Oh, I saw that,

1104
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:55.159
and then caught less than a week
later a foul ball at a Richmond

1105
01:17:55.159 --> 01:18:00.920
Braves game found laws on opposite coasts
in less than what are the job?

1106
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:04.720
Because I'd done then, well,
I understand exactly how I feel about love

1107
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:11.560
hate relationship with traveling. Rick.
I enjoyed traveling so much for so long

1108
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:15.720
as I covered races, But after
a time, a couple of things hit

1109
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.760
me, just like they hit several
other people. Number One, time away

1110
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:26.560
from home was time lost that you
were not going to recover, and you

1111
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.439
do miss a lot of things that
you should not miss. And the other

1112
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:36.319
thing was as flying became more difficult, and by that I mean you had

1113
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:40.560
to go through the inspection of lines
and all that sort of thing that goes

1114
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:43.560
on, you had to be at
the airport two hours ahead of time.

1115
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.560
I just grew to hate the grind
so much. That's the way I looked

1116
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:53.359
at travel a lot later in my
career, before Adam and Jesse came along

1117
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:58.840
in January two thousand and one,
travel was literally all Jeanie and I knew

1118
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:02.279
in our relationship. We started dating
one month to the day before I started

1119
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:06.960
it scene and so I was literally
on the road our entire relationship. But

1120
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:13.479
it got way more complicated once they
were born. And I've said this before

1121
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:17.600
on the show, but Jeanie actually
emailed me Adam and Jesse's very first studio

1122
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:23.159
portrait the day of the two thousand
and one Bush Series season opener at Daytona,

1123
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.279
and that was back in the days
of dial up internet connection, so

1124
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:30.840
it took forever for that picture to
download. And while it was I was

1125
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:35.039
sitting in the press box watching dal
Earnhardt drive Terry Bradshaw around the racetrack and

1126
01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:39.680
then stop, get out of the
car and climb on top of it like

1127
01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:43.840
they were celebrating winning the race.
That is still so vivid to me.

1128
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:47.399
I mean, that's like it happened
a couple of months ago, much less

1129
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:51.880
twenty one years ago, and obviously
nobody had any idea what was going to

1130
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.319
happen in less than twenty four hours. As young as they were, Adam

1131
01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:00.039
and Jesse have no memory of me
being gone as much as I was I

1132
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:02.720
was back the end. But I
also have a son, Richard, from

1133
01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:05.960
my first marriage. He lived in
Nashville with his mom, and I was

1134
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.239
in North Carolina, so that was
a distance there. But he spent every

1135
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:15.840
summer with us, and Steve some
of my fondest members with him as a

1136
01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:21.319
father and son took place when he
went with me to races and racing related

1137
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:25.880
events. And I worked in wrong
for so long. I was the only

1138
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:29.760
racing writer other than Bob Adams,
who was my partner there for quite a

1139
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:34.960
long time, so getting relief from
travel was not necessarily available. I had

1140
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.159
to go to a lot of races, and I was god a lot.

1141
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:44.159
Only when I came over to scene
that I realized, Hey, you don't

1142
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:47.520
have to go to all these races. You now have a staff. You

1143
01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:51.840
can send that staff to races because
they want to go too. So I

1144
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:56.560
did that much more often, and
I was home much more often, and

1145
01:20:56.640 --> 01:21:01.079
I really really appreciated that. One
of my best memories of my time with

1146
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.199
Richard, I went to an event
in Nashville. Of course, that was

1147
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:08.680
my hometown, that's where he still
lived, and I took Richard to a

1148
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:11.560
driver autograph session. So I knew
all the drivers, and I went and

1149
01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:14.319
to introduced him to all the drivers
and he got his picture taken with a

1150
01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:16.720
bunch of the drivers, and I
had on my Weston Cup scene jackets.

1151
01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.520
We were walking back to the car. This fan came up to me and

1152
01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:25.720
said, are you recuston Yes?
I said, yes, sir, and

1153
01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:28.279
I mean I couldn't deny it.
I had on a Weston Cup Scene jacket

1154
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:31.960
with my name on it. And
he handed me his poster. He said,

1155
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.600
will you sign my poster? And
I'm like, come on, man,

1156
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:39.359
you don't. You don't want me, you don't want me to sign.

1157
01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:42.720
I mean, I'm you know,
I'm just a lowly rider or whatever.

1158
01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:45.800
But finally he convinced me, said
yeah, I'd love where you signed.

1159
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:47.560
I read all your stuff, read
Weston Cup Scene, been reading it

1160
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:51.520
for years. So I'm gonna be
a big shot. I'm gonna sign an

1161
01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:58.479
autograph in front of my son.
And about the time I took the poster

1162
01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.520
and started to sign it, Richard
looks at this guy goes, what do

1163
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:08.399
you want his autograph for? He's
not famous, whether he does have a

1164
01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:16.239
point balloon burst now, Steve,
here is one last cheating story that they

1165
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:20.880
got in. During this installment of
the interview. Terry Lebanni had a break

1166
01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:26.720
issue at Riverside and when it started
raining, Steve Mill, who was working

1167
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:30.279
for Hagen Racing at the time,
he got in the car under the car

1168
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:34.640
cover and he goes to work during
the red flight. Now that's a no

1169
01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:39.520
no, yes it is. You
are not supposed to work on a car

1170
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:45.439
during a red flight, just asked
Stirling Marlin. And Steve gets the job

1171
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:48.800
done. He fixes the break issue, but he can't get out because somebody

1172
01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:53.640
might see him, and the rest
of the crews like, should we go

1173
01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:59.399
get him? Is he gonna suffocate
under that car cover. I'm assuming that

1174
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:02.760
it didn't take him the entire red
flag period to repair the problem. So

1175
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.319
what did he do for the rest
of the time. I guess he took

1176
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:13.640
a nap. I would have paniced. According to the numbers and comments that

1177
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:17.399
we've been saying on YouTube for the
last week's video and the comments that we've

1178
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:23.840
gotten on social media on Twitter,
the topic of cheating in NASCAR is one

1179
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:28.720
that really intrigues fans, and I've
got to say as well, I am

1180
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:33.840
fascinated with how people in the garage
could possibly come up with everything that they

1181
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:40.720
did over the year. Just when
you think you've seen it all, somebody

1182
01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.680
else comes up with something else that's
right. You know, cheating, whether

1183
01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:47.680
we like it or not, is
a big part of Nashcar, and I

1184
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:53.760
have a feeling rick that fans like
to see this kind of shading as they

1185
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.479
go on. It makes it fun, it makes it challenging to see what

1186
01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:00.560
they're doing to try to beat Nashcar. Now. Years ago, it was

1187
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:06.319
a lot easier than it is now. NASCAR has gone really technical when it

1188
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:11.680
comes to checking on cheaters, and
that still makes it very, very hard

1189
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.079
to get away with cheating today.
But you know something, they still try,

1190
01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:18.439
don't they rid Yes, sir,
they do it. Didn't imagine there

1191
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:23.960
is what NASCAR got in place.
They're gonna try to cheat and get around

1192
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:29.279
the rules. Always have and they
always will. And here's something that I

1193
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:32.000
thought was really interesting. And somebody
made the observation this week that I was

1194
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:38.399
talking to. In other sports,
when you cheat in other sports, that's

1195
01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:43.640
taboo. I mean, look at
the Houston Astros from however long ago it

1196
01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.600
was, and banning the trash cans
and signaling the pitches and all that.

1197
01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:54.359
But in NASCAR, not only is
it not necessarily taboo, it's expected.

1198
01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:58.000
It's true That's why I stayed the
fans like it is part of the sport.

1199
01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:01.640
If you're not cheating, you're not
trying. No, no, you're

1200
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:06.039
not. And somebody asked me a
long time ago, when we're discussing this

1201
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:12.439
subject of cheating, how many cars
out there today in that field are strictly

1202
01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:16.520
illegal? And I said, none, not a one is strictly illegal.

1203
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:19.880
And if you don't believe me,
just go check that out and find out

1204
01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:24.000
for yourself. Well, back in
those days, you could find out which

1205
01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.079
cars were strictly legal because they were
going to be headed to the bike of

1206
01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:40.560
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Philip Parsons. I'm Robert Kalma cut
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This is Jimmy Mains. Hey,
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scene Vault Gast with Rick Houston having
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This is Brian from Speedway Screens.
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to be listening to this podcast,
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past you've been on the hunt for
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at what I keep from my own
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com. This podcast has been brought
to our listeners by Las Vegas Motor Speedway,

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America's racing show place. We have
come to the end of our last

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episode of twenty twenty two. It
has been a good year for us and

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hopefully our listeners will agree when I
say that our content continues to be really

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top shelf stuff. We're gonna keep
digging for the best interviews that we can

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possibly get. We already have at
least two recording sessions scheduled for our quote

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unquote all season. And finally,
Steve, thank you for sticking with me

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this year, putting up with all
my selling us with the pace Car and

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everything. Still gonna make that offer
for you to ride with him in the

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pace Car next year at Lonesome Pond, But you know, we can talk

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about that later. Well, Rick, I never thought I would say this,

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but it's been an honor to work
with you, really has. I've

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enjoyed every minute of this. Everything
that we've done together has been really supper,

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been my opinion, and we're just
going to get better next year and

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listeners. Words simply can't express my
gratitude for all your encouragement and support.

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You are the reason we do this
show week in and week out. I

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don't know what else to say other
than thank you. You guys keep me

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going. I just appreciate it,
so thank you very much. Last year,

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we ended our season finale with a
song that Adam and Jesse had sung

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with their group Fourth Wall. We
got some good response all that, so

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I figured why not go ahead and
make that a yearly tradition. So here's

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Adam and Jesse and their buddies Zach
Hicks and Ali Purdue singing Silent Night,

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Night a Night Brian Rogen Myather and
childly sot and around mind see then Leapy

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sleeping the leading sidelently share Squeega the
sighty streamed from them in the farn and

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sing Lilluia less saying your is mooreless
sing is more side lanlightly night side of

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God. Last your light read be
run by Holy face. We the dawn

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of deep being. Please Jesus a
biby, Jesus on a night b