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You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience
Podcast. Hello, e food like you

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nodeed fool a pin the food and
a word we go. Welcome back.

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Look Rob Froppaccini's in there for Mineberg. Who else? Yeah, I'm my

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boy. We got to help a
new Welcome back to the Getting Salty Experience

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Podcast. It's the only one in
the whole wide world that brings Mister t

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Fat, Daddy Ray and Gonzo to
the kitchen table. Hello, we got

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you want would rescue? Four stories? We got? We're covered from nineteen

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eighty all the way up to the
two thousand and early twenties. Maybe I

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don't know, maybe the late probably
the late ten that got out in twenty

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twenty two. I think two thousand
and two. I think he said,

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all right, so I'm gonna say
that the late two thousands. Maybe I

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don't know, but we got him. We got a lot of good funny

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stories. You guys want to ask
sety questions. We got a couple of

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guys who said the questions. But
we're gonna have a good time talking about

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five stories, talking about rescue four. You know, pop Eye, Popeye,

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the Sale of Man. I don't
know who the guy in the Salty

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Fans page actually asked what an R
and what a foremant? But hey,

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listen, you know we might we
might touch on that tonight. We'll touch

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on it. So of course,
Louis, you didn't upload the nine point

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that that Louis got, did you? Oh? No, I did,

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right, So I'm a boy.
Louis got a nine pointer. He's got

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the house by his house. But
now he's heading out to Ohio. I

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think, oh, no, no, Iowa. I don't know whatever the

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fun he's going. I don't know
where he's going. When you have as

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much money as him, you can
go anywhere, you know. Kind he's

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taking his jet, his lear jet
out to uh Iowa. So we got

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fat Daddy rays sitting in. He
might be sitting in for Louise has gone

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for two weeks. So you know, let us do with the chat you

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want fat Daddy in. Fat Daddy
will be in. He'll be in,

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He'll definitely be in. He got
a very big show next Thursday. We've

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got Chief hodgens Uh chief of the
apartment, current Chief of Apartment in the

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fd O Y So very big show, big big show. How you doing

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down there? Guns? You're wearing
a hat today. You don't make me

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if you see this wig forget about
it? Yeah? Is that you halloweene?

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What do you go? Oh?
God, he look because he was

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sticking through its screw the whole shit
up. All right, Well, why

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are you doing? Lose little zevil
point? Oh exactly, taking ship shot

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it dead all the time. Good
to go. Yeah, this we pay

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a little tribute to love. There
you go, brother, there you go,

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buddy. I listen. We got
to get to the commercials because we

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get more and more commercials than we
got to get through them really quick.

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New York City firefighter explores the men
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the concept of photography provided by the
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ww dot They Saved and Why dot
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will be out signing copies out for
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will be out there along with I
don't know how many, but a good

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port of the guys who were in
the book. So if you want to

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come out Saturday night, November fourth, at seven pm at the Krum Fire

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Department, tickets for only twenty dollars
your cheap basket, So take some money

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out goes for a good fun.
You get food, drinks, raffles.

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Fifty to fifty. You get to
come hang out with me. I'm bringing

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the wife and the kids, and
Mike's bringing his cat. I think,

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I don't know, we'll see so
come on out and check us out for

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sure, for sure? Back fat
Daddy Ray stepping in almost last minute,

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not quite the last time was last
minute? A seven thirty? Yeah,

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I did. Yeah. I was
like, that's what I told you.

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I called you yesterday though, right, did I bunny notice? I could

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bunny notice? All right, Ronzon, he's in there. He's a member

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of the fire Riders, So so
we'll stop bringing him in. All right,

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Who are you gonna do first?
So I can make sure I'm prepared.

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Wow, we have to do seniority. We got to bring the captain

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first. So I'm gonna bring the
captain. Session here he is, Captain

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Resky. Welcome to the stage.
So there you are. Who's back by

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popular man? How you doing right? Thank you man? And Gonzo you

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meant to say, but you know, coming in south, I don't know

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who's got more time. Look at
this guy. I just saw him in

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the backstage, so I want to
know, bring in I gotta get this

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this nut job in here. Bring
him in here. He is, hey,

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hi, here, he is a
resident rescue Ford you my milna,

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what is that? Well? You
know, guys, guy, it's always

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some great and everything we do in
all lives. So hopefully tonight we will

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open eyes, open minds, and
please open your wallet and buy that fucking

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book that Kevin. I don't want
to know how you put that makeup on.

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So goddamn fast, bro was lightning
quick man. You know I started

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in fifty and nineteen and we're running, and rest of four was running.

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You know when you go there's always
a mad rush to the bathroom on a

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run. So you get quick at, you get good at. I like

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it good all right? You know
you look like you remember that the old

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Star Trek, the episode of the
Star Trek Black Cast. They'll fight each

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other at the end. Yes,
they is trying to be a down mateon

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screwed up. I don't like hydrants? All right? All right? Who

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are you going to bring in?
Next? No? You tell you tell

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me as I have. Well,
let's go ahead and we'll bring in mister

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Monahan. He let's bring in mister
Eddie Monahan. Here we go. Which

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one you got? Go is?
I gotta keep on it, right a,

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mister Monaghan. Welcome to Milner.
By the way, everything isn't just

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black and white. But I don't
know what he's looking at. He was

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looking at something. I don't know. What are you doing, Milner?

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What are you going? Maury?
He's got that the jaw dropping and looks

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like I don't know, doesn't see
what the fuck am I doing? All

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right, let's get remember he was
at what thirty six? He was a

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rescue four guy when I got the
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member. I think he's the president. Did he say he's the president?

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Yeah, he's the president. He's
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he's not the other president. Shut
up selling a woman. I'm too far

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away from that one. He is, in fact the president of the fire

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Rights here he is Jimmy Fanew.
So basically we got from like the eighties

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covered all the way up. Oh
you guys, we'll go through your timelines

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and funny stories and fire stories.
Guys like scary fire stories. But first

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we gotta do what we have to
do. We gotta get patriotic. I

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have to bring Milner back. He
disappeared on us. He's still trying to

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you're there. Oh yeah, key, alright, God, let's get patriotic,

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do it, brother, here we
go. Oh yeah, Oh guys,

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to

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the Republic, for which it stands, One nation under God, indivisible with

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liberty and justice for all. Wonderful. So we got all over. So

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we had the captain on, and
we had Mike on a numerous times.

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Let's start with Eddie Monahan and a
quick little synopsis of where do you start

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as a fireman and what year you
got to rescue for? Try to fill

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us in. Oh, let's see. I came on a job seven eleven

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eighty one and got a signed to
excuse me, two eighteen engine down in

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the Bushwick section of Brooklyn. Worked
with a great crew there, Captain Eddie

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Gander, and it was great being
there. Because I guess we got lucky.

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We caught the last end of the
war years. So it was like

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every time he went to work,
you were going to fires, and I

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ended up. I spent six years
there, and then I lied my way

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into rescue for who's the captain there, Joseph up? I made him an

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orvary. He couldn't refuse it,
did Yeah? Yeah, I made him

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an ary. He couldn't refuse.
Still and care who the captain was there?

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But sooner or later I'm coming to
rescue for Do you remember when he

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came in? You're like, what
I ruined? The day? I got

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so much from everybody in the world
for taking a fucking midget into the fire?

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Yeah, well, how about how
about this comment? You know,

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captain, we live in a world
that has fires, and he's fires need

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to be fought with men with hoses. Who's gonna do that? You?

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You, milner, I have a
greater responsibility than you can ever imagine.

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You have the luxury of not knowing
what I know, and my existence is

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grotesque and incomprehensible as it is to
you save his lives. You don't want

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me, You don't want the truth, because deep down in places. You

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don't talk about parties. You want
me on that rig, you need me

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on that rig. We use words
like stretch of line, clost the door,

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kick the route. We use these
words as the backbone and the lives

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we saved. Neither the time nor
the inclination to explain myself to a man

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who rises and sleeps underd of every
bagon of the fire protection that I provide.

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And then question is the matter at
which I provided? You just said

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you talking about all your way microphone, all the way? Either way,

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Why don't give it down? What
you think? Drop the mic? That's

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it and done. I'm sorry.
That's a line, steal a line what

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you said. The only the only
reason you came there is because you worked

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on the freaking railroad on the ground
and uh, and I needed somebody.

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I needed one guy who would touch
touch the third rail for us new wall

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fires. For that he fit perfectly. He's perfect in the attic, get

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up there what we got there.
He was also good for. It's also

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good for like and heavy smoking.
This is when I needed to get a

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breathe out the window. I stand
on him and sniff the head out the

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window, get some fresh air.
That was he tells me a pretty big

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backstep. How did you get up
there ready? How well? They had

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an extra step. It was they
step, yeah, step. Ralph the

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captain, where's the rest of them? And says, what do you mean?

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He goes, I looked. I
looked at his transfer It said six

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to four, and so it said
sixty four inches. So I said to

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Ralph, I go, Ralph,
I can go everywhere you can go.

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You can't go anywhere I can go. That's right. Ralph says to me,

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you're right, but I've already been
where you are. You will never

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be where I am. How yeah, on the minimum minimum height requirement.

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When I was getting measured down at
the at the armory there they're bringing the

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they're bringing the thing down and measure
my height, and I turned to this

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big black fella, nice man,
and they said to him, if that

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goes below five four, this is
going to be the worst day of your

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life, because they're going to beat
the ship out of you. And it

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stopped at five four in a quarter. So you know what little guy guys

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are like annoying gnats. We don't
give up. And if you get beat

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up, that little guy beat you
up. Oh, it's bad and as

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a little guy get to ask kick
like, oh you beat up a little

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guy? Nice, ye beat up
a little gun. So for a while,

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my claim to fame was the shortest
rescue fireman in the city until Mikey

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Davis came along and then we were
both sure rescue fine, we were bookings.

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I think he got stressed a little
when Mike Smith was grabbed by the

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throat though, and picked them up
allegedly. I witnessed his feet were off

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the ground. It was thing to
behold. It was beautiful. Yeah,

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all right, let's go quite on
to Jim. Jim started out one thirty

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six, Give us what time when
you got on the job, when you

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meant to rescue for I actually start
down in three twenty four. In eighty

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seven, uh huh. I was
the first proby there. They had seven

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years, so it was all old
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It was actually pretty good for me. It worked out, you know.

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It told me the ropes and uh. I got friendly with a couple

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of the chiefs in the four six
Big Fight, Tally being one big car

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guy. I was in the cars. He had me come over driving for

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a little bit. Put my paper
into the truck, went to one thirty

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six, spent some time in Won
thirty six and and like Tommy McCarry,

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Richie Uler, a bunch of those
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kind of helped out with Tommy Williams
funeral and a couple other things. So

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they said, you know, come
up and you know, talk to the

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captain, And next thing I was
up and rescue for who was the captain

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there? Then? Uh, well
it was Captain Hickey at the time,

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and I was friendly with Terry Farrell, So that was kind of like my

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inn. Terry talked to you know, Brian Hidy and what year was this,

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like I wanted to say around could
have been ninety five six somewhere around

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there. And so you were already
in the rescue when the squads came.

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Yeah, I was already in rescue
when the squad. What was the thinking

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when I know what myce gonna say, but we've already heard Mike, what

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was the faking of the rescue when
the squad were coming? You know,

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it was for me, it was
no big transition because when I was into

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four to six, I was already
working in has Matt and everything else we

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did dcon all the time. The
battalion provided the manpower, right, so

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I already knew all the guys.
No big deal for me, right,

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But what about the thought of them
Now you get another bunch of guys coming

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in trying to take a piece of
your work or was there anything? I

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don't know. Mike probably has more
to say about that, about everything that

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was his stuff on Mike. So, Mike, what do you say?

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What was the feeling when squads came
out? Like, yeah, you know

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what, I gotta tell you something
I looked at. I know, I'm

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not here to piss off the extremely
stupid unit guys because I know a lot

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of them. But I always felt
that, you know what, let's get

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squads involved, Let's get more people
out there, because the problem always was

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before squads, rescue was by themselves. Uh huh. So the time we

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got the places, it was too
late. So by having squads, who

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I have no problem with squad I
think it was. I'm a positive guy

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about it. I always was in
favor of it. The more we have,

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the more we have a chance to
push the tide back out to sea.

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And I think having squads and they're
still putting them into place like in

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Staten Island recently. It keeps them
at day and rightfully, so, I

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mean, I gotta be honest,
we're the best trained. You need a

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lot of manpower. Squads and rescues
can provide that. We all work together

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at the rock for two weeks at
a time. And let me tell you

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something. To guys to go to
squad or rescue, you have a side

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job. A lot of guys didn't
want to do that because they had a

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side job. I mean there were
times where you were sent up to now

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Wappinger falls up up right, thank
you though, Ray you were sent here

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there, or you went to the
rock for three weeks, or you were

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asked, hey, Mike, can
you train for a couple of weeks.

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We need some guides at the rescue
school. You got to go. So

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I think the guys that ended up
in squads and really were determined, uh

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to maybe lose some money when I
see their kids all the time, to

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do the right thing and become part
of a great operation sock right. I

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just had a kid telling them the
other day from one seventy six truck that

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he's thinking about going to SoC And
I said, hey, just realize,

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man, that there's a lot that
you have to put into that. There's

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a lot of time like me and
Ray went to remember we went to Alabama

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together. We went to Uh it's
two weeks, three weeks at a time

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that you're going to Las Vegas for
the radiation school. Yeah yeah, and

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and the Bob school yep. Yeah, they loved us, right and I

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travel So you know what, Kevin, it is a lot of time away

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from your family. Yeah, it's
a big commitment. Man, It's a

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big commitment. And you know what, it's even more so now. I

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mean rest technic is three weeks long. The rest three weeks long. You

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guys get extra money, which I
thought was a great move by uh the

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the last Maya before the other two
Democrats. But at the end of the

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day, Uh, you have to
have your heart involved, your soul involved,

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in your body involved. It's as
simple as that. It's not the

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one of twenty four anymore. You're
training, you're going special calls, you're

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doing a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, they gotta say all the

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squad guys I got along with him, never had any issues with any of

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them. I feel like we all
worked together. Well yeah, yeah,

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And like Mike was saying, you
know, you need a lot of manpower

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these things. The trench you know, collapsed, you need manpower and even

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a road job, you know,
I mean so many guys, you know.

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Yeah, that was that was why. Well we talked about about the

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Twine one sixty. They are the
only two companies. They are the only

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two companies on the job that are
housed with a rescue. And before we

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went to Sock, they would drill
with us. They could work all the

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time in the to rescue, they
could do a mutual in the rescue.

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Once we went to Sock, they
got stopped. And I was shame.

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It was a shame because look,
there were some guys in the engines that

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didn't want anything to do with the
rescues, but there were some guys that

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liked it. They knew the truck, they knew the tools, they knew

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where they were. And I always
thought it was it was kind of foolish

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of the job not considering like a
pilot program and making both of those engine

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companies rescue support engines. Because you
have a rescue support truck down the road

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that never drills with the rescue.
They don't know anything about the tools on

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the truck. These guys, it's
twenty five guys in the firehouse, and

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they could be an asset to the
rescues and to Sock, you know.

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And I never understood why they didn't. They didn't try that out, you

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know. And look, some guys
in those companies, if that happened,

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they say, look, I'm out
of here, I'm leaving. But then

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other guys that may want to come
to a rescue you may say, you

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know what, I'm going to go
to that company, right and then the

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captain in the office and the rescue
they get a look at those guys,

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you know, And I just think
it just enhances those two rescue companies even

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more. And Sock, I just
want to hit one thing that the point

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that Eddie made about pre Sock.
I knew everybody in the fourteenth division,

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especially the four to six, the
four to nine, Jimmy Fanell, others.

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Because I wasn't in Sock, it
worked with these guys. I knew

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these guys. So I gotta tell
you, as good as Sock is,

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they lost the piece of the puzzle
by not allowing guys like me and Rescue

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to work with guys like Jimmy or
someone else in one thirty six, one

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fifty four, whatever it was,
three ZHO seven. You need some grounding

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every once in a while. What's
that? You need some grounding once in

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a while. See what the guys
are doing. She was going on in

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the line companies. You know,
well, you know, Rayty to your

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let me once say, and I'm
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Ray. The whole thing was,
I knew the guys by their first

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names. I knew they knew what
I could do. I knew what Jimmy

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could do. I'm just using Jimmy
as an example. And it worked,

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and that we lost that in the
transition. I'm say a separate unit.

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Don't get me wrong, but we
lost our connectivity with the local companies that

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we were in with and that's a
shame. I hopefully they could change that

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somehow. I rest my case.
You know. It was in one thirty

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six and we spent a year up
there. When they read that our firehouse,

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it was great. Spending a year
with the guys up there and rescue

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and everything, you know, picked
up a lot of good info. Jimmy

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that before on Queens Bullivard. Yeah, yeah, we went up there when

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they READID one thirty six. Yea, my first house was two ninety two

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and the guy from rescuefore with the
guys that taught me that I should go

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someplace else and learn the job.
And Tommy Williams God rest is Soul,

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he's the one that got me in
two one hundred and eight. But it

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was all from the rest before guys
that would said you got to learn the

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job, kick, and they taught
me so much I just can't you know.

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They changed my career. Well,
you know, there's always there's always

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a given a take, you know, for every action is an equal opposite

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reaction. When we went to Sock, the plus side of that was we

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in the rescues got to know the
guys and the other rescues, you know,

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because you knew them a little bit, but you didn't get to work

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with them that much. So that
was a plus. But again losing what

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Mike said, that was the negative, losing losing that local, you know,

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knowing everybody in the battalion. You
know, So there's there's a given

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take on both sides. Yea.
When I got the balance and I went

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to drive my brother my last year
when I was on light duty. I

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got to know the guys in three
twenty four really well. Like that's one

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part that when you have a regular
company in the house, I mean,

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when you're a SoC company, you'll
lose some of that normal everyday firehouse stuff.

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You know, like, uh,
you know the sports pools and they're

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tight. They go to baseball games
and they go. We couldn't get a

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lot of guys to do that,
man, because they're too busy. This

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five guys off the chut going here, one guy's going there. You know,

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one guy's training here. So it's
hard you lose that normal cool firehouse

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stuff that happened guys sitting down watching
the game. You know, but we're

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drilling three hours a day. We
had no time to watch the game.

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You know. They're sitting on a
Friday night watching a football game or a

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baseball game or whatever the hell it
is. You know. So I really

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appreciated that last year. I got
really close to those guys in four.

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Yeah. Absolutely, don't forget think
you're right, But you know what,

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we have our special arrangement job as
chiefs. Maybe Dane'll some of this will

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soak in because we're bringing up great
points how to make it work better for

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FDM one. So you know the
ed's point, Jimmy's raise yours, Kevin

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mind. Uh, it is important
to have that cunnactivity. And you know,

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and I gotta be honest with you. There were guys in Rescue four

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that walked around like their ship didn't
stink, and be I gotta be honest

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with you. You know what the
ship did stink? Okay, because you

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were just a regular Because I don't
know what what my answer would be study

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become chief of department. I don't
and I don't mean that in a bad

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way, if that's the way you
want to go go. But in reality,

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when you're in the trenches in a
rescue or a squad, you really

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are with the rest of the guys, the truck and the engine. The

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fight doesn't get put out because of
squad and rescue gets put out because basically

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the first and second to engine and
truck do most of the hard work and

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then we take up exactly, Mike, exactly right, yeah, yes,

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exactly, yep. This is a
mystery guest. No is he in the

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back? Oh he is? Oh
yeah, Michael, Michael, do you

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remember you remember the the elephant story
and rescue for you, Reder that Captain

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Joe screw you don't really how do
you feel? All right? So who's

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telling the elephant story? Well,
you want to tell it? You telling?

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All right. We come back from
a job about three four o'clock in

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the morning, and we're in the
back room having it, you know,

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having a coffee and what have you, and and yeah, allegedly and Joe

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was the boss and he says,
you know, just before that run came

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in, I was dreaming about elephants. So I kind of did the Irish

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egsit out of the kitchen and I
went upstairs and I got this airhorn trumpet

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and I laid down under his bed
in the floor and he came up.

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He gets in his rack, lights
are out. I'm waiting. I'm waiting.

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I'm like, all right, finally
I'm ready. And I picked the

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trumpet up and I go did he
jump jump? I saw him on the

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ceiling and he's like, what the
fuck? I said, there's probably those

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elephants you're dreaming about it, Mike, I can't see the mystery. Guess

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how am I gonna ask him questions? I mean, well, if I

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if I show it, then everybody
else will see who is? No.

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No, but can you see him
right now? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

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I can see him, So just
tell him. They gotta be yes

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or no questions, and the yes
is this and the no is that?

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All right? Okay, so did
you did you see that guest? I

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don't see him? Does he he's
there? Okay? Yeah, you got

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My screen is too small? Yeah, keep it that way, so because

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if I if I show him,
they're going to figure out who it is.

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So okay, I'll scan to him
when you ask the question, and

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I'll bring it back just to case
somebody. Mike, you want to ask

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the first question to the mystery again? Yeah? You you? Did you

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retire before two thousand gons? Did
you hear the now? No? He

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didn't, he did not. Jim, were you the guy in Staples or

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the supermarket they used to ask for
all the single girls over the intercom?

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No, that's a quod question,
Jim, I like that. Were you

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ever an officer and rescue for Yes, cat cheese man, I saved that

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for you to you. He's an
idiot, he's a squat. He's an

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idiot, all right? To bring
him in sick, I know you know

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who he is. Jez god,
get you, cheese man? Are you

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00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:53.160
ready for it all? I got
a video actually when Cheeseman came for the

409
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.640
first time and he walked into rescue
for Yeah, play it bro, here

410
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:05.640
we go? Uh not just again? You gotta make it louder. Bro

411
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:10.000
Hold on, I work. You
gotta back it up then, brother,

412
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.440
to make it louder. See Phy
is because this is loud as I got

413
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:22.839
it? Is that you? Hello, Mitch? It's not working. Change

414
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:30.680
much? You remember Cheese Radney's kid
brother? My name isn't Cheesy anymore?

415
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:45.759
Oh? Yeah, geez, he
locked you in a dumpster? Is it

416
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:52.720
not cheese? Look up, Cheese? What are you doing when guys around

417
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.440
on the mat? What are you
doing? Yeah? I tired of anybody

418
00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:00.279
like a pretzel? What did you
do tonight? I? Uh, A

419
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.480
few people like a smith Wick joke
or like a legal choke? What kind

420
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.880
of joke? A good choke?
A good chi I don't golf. What

421
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:14.480
can I tell you anything for pussies
anyway? Yeah? Who worked with the

422
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.359
cheese? Jim? Do you work
with the cheese? No? I think

423
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.400
I was gone already when he got
there. He got there after. Yeah,

424
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.160
the chiefs like recent history these guys
are all relicis. Yeah. It's

425
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:30.440
the difference is that I was I'm
not a young guy, but we know

426
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:37.000
a young finding in three, one, one fifty and all of these guys

427
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.960
are in the rescue and I used
to look up to every single one of

428
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:47.440
these guys from except me. But
I can't even look at you. I'm

429
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:55.440
blocking you off right now. Really, the god, that's disgusting. You

430
00:33:55.480 --> 00:34:00.240
got what year did you get to
the rescue Cheese? I went there two

431
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:06.200
thousand and five? You retire,
Jimmy. I retired in two thousand and

432
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.159
five. I did a year down
at Roosevelt Island. Yeah, okay,

433
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.480
yeah, so she's just coming in. I've worked with Jimmy a lot on

434
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.360
details and stuff like that. Plus
we all went to the rescue school about

435
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.440
the same time. You already you
were in soft before that. Yeah,

436
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:28.079
I was in fifty. You know, he was your two fifty two dude,

437
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:32.639
an original memor. So what can
you ask a question? So you

438
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:39.440
worked with cvecers? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I learned to say Probie

439
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:47.320
class led the puss because he has
always got my son. Yeah. Now,

440
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.599
and you never worked with the Cheese, right, I was a gay

441
00:34:51.679 --> 00:35:00.840
enough, not too You're just you're
just mad because I'm toler than you.

442
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:08.760
You said you weren't going to bring
that up. Alright, So Litsten,

443
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.920
let's talk about some fire stories.
Let's get some Rescue four fire stories.

444
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.880
I don't worry Andy, all right, who's going I want to hear?

445
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.960
I want to hear a good fire
story from each one of you is from

446
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.559
Rescue four. Maybe one one that
sticks in your mind, maybe one that

447
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.800
you're like, was an old ship
moment for you, or maybe you know

448
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.360
it was a fire that we have
to talk about Jimmy's grabs too. Well,

449
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.039
let's hear about different fire stories.
Let's hear one from the captain first.

450
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.920
But you though he was on maybe
one that you didn't tell us a

451
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:45.039
good rescue for fire story? Man
alive put him on the spot. You

452
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.480
want to go second, Well,
yeah, I was thinking. I wasn't

453
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:57.280
think because uh there's so many damn
all right, Uh, so many to

454
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.159
choose from, somebody to choose from. You want to go second, Yeah,

455
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.800
let me go second. Let me, let me let me want to

456
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.079
who's got one on the tip of
the tongue. I'll go ahead. Ed.

457
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:14.400
We were working one night the duke
was the boss, John Dylon,

458
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.880
and when we get a box,
we're gonna be first do with to this

459
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:22.800
box, and two eighty eight,
two eighty eight to the first new engine.

460
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.239
We're gonna be the first new truck. We get into the box.

461
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.119
Eighty eight gets in there and actually
ahead of us they go in and we're

462
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.599
waiting outside to get a signal,
and all of a sudden we hear one

463
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:40.480
sixty three gives our box number,
urging ten to seventy five. Like we're

464
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.840
sitting here, there's no fire.
The duke gets on the handy talkie,

465
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.199
calls eighty eight, says, what
do you got? You said they got

466
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:51.920
food on the stove. He said, one sixty three just gave it urgent

467
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.920
ten seventy five. They were the
second due truck coming in. What it

468
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:02.760
was two blocks away. It was
a two story frame, the second the

469
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.000
first floor was fully involved. The
whole front of the house was fully involved.

470
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.400
We got in there real quick,
right with two ninety two, and

471
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.760
one sixty three is now out on
the sidewalk with the mother and two kids

472
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.000
giving them mouth to mouth and CPR, and the officer from one sixty three

473
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:29.800
told the duke there's two more kids
in there, so uh myself. The

474
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.400
Duke sends me and Casolino around the
back of the building to try and get

475
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.639
up to the second floor. So
I go up there. I ended up

476
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.480
going up the stairs. Pete went
up, he might have went up a

477
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:44.239
ladder. And then later on Charlie
Pavoni, who was the show for he

478
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:49.360
went up and I found one of
the kids. He was eight years old.

479
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.280
Trying to remember his name now,
Joe, you remember, and they

480
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.360
owned the bar. The family owned
the bar on Woodside, Finnigan, Jason

481
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:02.480
Finnegan was his name, eight years
old. Brought him out, revived him,

482
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.719
but he died in the emergency room
later on, and Charlie brought out

483
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.239
the three month old baby. Charlie
stepped in the window and stepped on top

484
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.199
of the baby, and when he
brought the baby out, nobody thought the

485
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.000
baby was gonna make it. But
luckily the baby did live. But the

486
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.519
reason why Jason died Jason was out
of the house, but he went back

487
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:30.719
in the house to save the baby. Wow. And something that sticks kind

488
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.719
of sticks in my mind, especially
around when the holidays are coming up.

489
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:42.880
I never forget this kid because of
what he did, and it was about

490
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.800
a month before my son was born, you know, And so I always

491
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:52.840
remember Jason, Jason Finnegan and the
heroics that this eight year old tried to

492
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.639
do and gave his life for that. So, but it was just a

493
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.719
crazy thing. Them give it a
ten seventy five two blocks of you know,

494
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:04.119
they rolled into it. How quick
did you guys go ten from the

495
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.800
food on stove? Oh, we
were out of the area. R we

496
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.719
were gone. Yeah, and when
we pulled up, the whole front of

497
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.000
the house was on fire. You
know. Uh, So that was to

498
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.320
me, that was like that was
of the many unusual ones. That was

499
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.280
kind of like a really unusual because
of the way the way it went,

500
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.920
So that one sticks in your in
your mind. Yeah, yeah, who

501
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:36.280
wasn't your next listen, if you
asked me, I'll give you a first

502
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.960
one. Okay, go if you
want. This is a fire that It

503
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:49.360
was not a spectacular fire or anything. It was just tragic. And uh,

504
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.440
every time, for some reason that
I'm cooking by myself, I think

505
00:39:53.480 --> 00:40:00.000
of these kids. I don't know
why I get it's I guess it's traumatic

506
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.719
syndrome or something. But anyhow,
way out in Jamaica. I remember the

507
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.800
old station wagons and they had the
fall down seat that faced the rear right

508
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.119
the window, and and and the
kids would all sit back there and make

509
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.679
faces at your wave and everything,
you know. So it was out in

510
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.480
South Jamaica someplace, and there was
three little black boys in the back seat,

511
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.480
and somebody rear rended the car.
The car blew up, and we

512
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:36.719
got there and the three of them
are sitting there burnt, just unbelievably burnt,

513
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.840
and just like like natural though.
They were just sitting there like with

514
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:45.639
their hands on her knees and and
they were sort of like looking at us,

515
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.000
but they were all dead, and
but they didn't seem dead, but

516
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.519
they were. They were burnt toward
crisp. And I could never ever ever

517
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.199
get that out of my mind.
To this day, I can't get it

518
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.199
out of my mind. And that's
thirty five at least thirty five years ago,

519
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.559
maybe forty years ago. It's unbelievable. And you know, that's one

520
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:13.440
of the fires and rescue for that
that affected me really to the core,

521
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.000
and it still affects me to this
day. For some reason. I don't

522
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:24.840
know why. You know, so
little things like that who's up. I

523
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:34.199
don't care talking about things that stick
in your mind. I think everybody in

524
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.719
that screen can tell you about my
career. It's a good band and ugly

525
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:45.360
all I can tell you. But
anyway, we all train on the Wizard

526
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:52.800
Tour and one time we got a
special call to the Rock Winds. I

527
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.519
don't even know if the hospital's still
there. Well, apparently someone had put

528
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:04.800
a i'll be polite, a penis
ring around his penis. And when we

529
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:20.800
do Manka, she's man, you
know you're walking with a large penis.

530
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:25.000
And then you got these six rescue
guys, Gualking with the emergency room crew,

531
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:29.440
the nurses, and you know he
may have been cheating on his wife,

532
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:37.880
who he said so sorry. We
had to, you know, make

533
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.039
believe it was a thing because you
had to put that some kind of piece

534
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.639
of metal underneath it. So you
know, Mike, excuse me, Mike,

535
00:42:45.760 --> 00:43:00.920
who held the dick? How you
hold it like this? But Mike

536
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.000
held him, but he was going
like this, Mike, stop moving your

537
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:15.320
hand off, Yeah, and mobilized
him. He was standing up and he

538
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:21.320
had an erection and we were able. Bug Sloan was involved and we came

539
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:30.039
and we were able to re leave
the pressure and give some normalacy back to

540
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:38.360
the pressure. Oh yeah, I
have another storm quickly. Uh. We

541
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.840
were we were in the mid eighties. We were doing a lot of work

542
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.119
in the Rockaways, all right,
and Chief Heart, who demoted himself to

543
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:52.599
be Battalion chief down there, was
getting livid with all the guys missing bodies

544
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.119
and rescue four finds. So anyway, we're coming back. It had to

545
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:59.960
be about four o'clock in the morning, so it does kind of have It's

546
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.239
one penis to another penis, and
I'm not a penis, but I'll be

547
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:07.360
the penis. So we were coming
back and Bob Doug sloan again, and

548
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:09.920
you know, guys like to have
fun. So I'm on the back of

549
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.000
the rig like this. You know, we're all sleeping. It's was the

550
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.199
R model, that's how old it
was. So I'd like, how do

551
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:22.000
we do the mid eighties? So
I'm sitting back there and I'm out that

552
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.880
god, he didn't put it in
my mouth. He takes out his loaf

553
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.960
and puts it in my hand.
And at first you don't, you're out.

554
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.760
You go like it doesn't feel normal, but maybe it's just me.

555
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.480
And then Finally we hit a bump
and I woke up and there's Doug Sloan's

556
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:45.559
penis in my hand. So that's
my quiet stories. How does that happen

557
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:52.679
there? There? Wait An,
it was your hand, you said,

558
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.320
right, your hand it was in
was on Doug's penis. I'm not just

559
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:06.920
your hand. I got to hurt
mouth earlier. I don't know what from

560
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.199
the right side. Well, you
know what he's like, Yeah, it

561
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:21.159
would have been my hand, So
you know, I had a tendency to

562
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:28.360
be a little bit weird, but
I definitely wasn't gay. That's what that

563
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.159
great fire story, all right,
Jim, I hope you have a better

564
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:37.199
fly story than the peenus stories ahead, Jim, what do you got,

565
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:47.360
I'll tell you. Rescue for one
man. Uh, it's right on the

566
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:53.440
other side of Queen's Boulevard and we
shoot over there and it's Collie's mansion.

567
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.920
Pretty much fully involved. They can't
make the front door two ninety two,

568
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:00.199
trying to make a push. They
can't get in. We're around the side

569
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:05.199
of the building. Captain Hickey's there. I don't know why Captain Hickey's on

570
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:10.239
the side. Of course, Captain
Hickey endal that were both there and I'm

571
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.719
not sure the circumstances a while ago, but I Captain Hickey goes, what

572
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.159
do you think about put you in
that window? And I'm looking at the

573
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.679
window and its flames coming out the
top of the window, and I'm like,

574
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.119
okay. You know, I was
kind of new there, and I'm

575
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.039
like, all right, Captain says, is gonna put me in the window.

576
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:34.039
It's a test. Yeah, So
up I go and I'm in the

577
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.920
window and uh, I'm searching around. I find a guy on the floor.

578
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.519
I didn't really know the guy at
first. I just you know,

579
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:43.800
felt something. I knew it was
a body. So I get the guy

580
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.719
and I'm dragging him and John Gang
comes in behind me, so I give

581
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:52.480
you a hand and John comes in
and we passed the guy out and the

582
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.159
room lights up and I just dive
out the window and they kind of catch

583
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.519
me as I'm coming out the window, and uh, you know that was

584
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.039
that was really it? You know
then? You know, two ninety two

585
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.960
eventually got in. They knocked it
down, put the fire out, and

586
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.119
it was a good job. And
it was really like two blocks away from

587
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.920
the firehouse, you know. It
was that year it got Metal Day got

588
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.840
canceled. There was no Metal Day
because we had the Father's Day fire.

589
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.679
We had nine to eleven. Metal
Day was canceled that year. Now,

590
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.039
what you did get a metal What
were you were? One? Thirty six?

591
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.559
I did get a metal winter As
we went thirty six at left rack

592
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.119
that story, quick, bro.
We went up on the upper floors,

593
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.119
I want to say, it was
maybe about the twelfth floor. And we're

594
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.719
up there and uh, it's bank
down the hallway. The door was open

595
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:47.199
to the apartment, the hallways charged
and we get down there. Lieutenant Gonzalez

596
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:51.280
was working, a couple of the
good guys I worked with Polioarcher I think

597
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.000
was working that day. And we
make our way in there and Andy knocking

598
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:59.119
it down with the can and the
can burst. The can actually exploded it

599
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:04.039
in the apartment, and uh,
I get past the kitchen and I find

600
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.360
this old woman. It is the
can right there he's holding Actually the fellow

601
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.400
holding the can. I'm sorry,
I can't remember his name right now.

602
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:14.519
He's a battalion chief, maybe a
deputy right now. Oh, I know

603
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:20.760
that guy. Yeah, great guy. So I find a woman in a

604
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.400
wheelchair and uh, I pull her
out and we get it down and get

605
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.320
an emas and she actually survived.
She was in her late eighties. She

606
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:34.519
actually survived. And uh, that
was one of the we went to metal

607
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.000
Day that year. That was a
good job. We had a lot of

608
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:43.679
jobs and left right when it was
in three twenty four a nightmare that those

609
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.400
buildings are a nightmare. Man.
Old project went off. I'm telling me.

610
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:50.840
It was like a bomb going off. It was loud. Yeah,

611
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:55.880
well you didn't kill you? Yeah? Who who is that picture? That

612
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:01.679
was Jeff? What's the name Jeff? Heis Jeff Meister. Yeah, yeah,

613
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.400
I want to say he's a deputy. Now. Wow, Now who

614
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.360
the black guy on the left,
Bro, that's du Ray Smith. I

615
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.320
worked a job where I found him
in the chef when he fell through the

616
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.320
shaft, right. Yeah, he
got hurt pretty bad there. I think

617
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.280
that was maybe career ending. Yeah. I found him in the cheft.

618
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.480
But it was just a freaking name. I was searching the adjoining and I

619
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.760
hear him screaming. I hear his
past along going off. I'm like,

620
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.400
holy shit to somebody in the shaft. It was him. It was fun

621
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.320
hangk down to the ground and he
couldn't get up. Because he broke both

622
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.199
his legs. I think it was
right, yep. So we had to

623
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:40.360
break the window and pull them off
through the through the window. Remember who

624
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:45.880
the boss was in that picture,
he said, right, Gonzales, Gonzales.

625
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.199
He had a brother on the job
too. I think was in one

626
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.440
twenty six. I think it was
in office. Yeah, yeah, he

627
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.639
was a pretty hot charge of what
happened to him. Yeah, Richie,

628
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.599
like i'd lost touch. He kind
of fell off the face of the earth.

629
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.519
Wow, you know, because one
thirty six is pretty tight. They

630
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.559
you know, everybody gets together for
a lot of things. But I don't

631
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.719
see Richie. Those guys, especially
Doosie. It's like one fifty four.

632
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:12.119
You guys went there. They were
doing a lot of work. Then bro

633
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.760
oh we were going there. Yeah, we used to run up a lot.

634
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:16.840
I used to see your brother all
the time. We'd run up there

635
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.840
by one fifty four. The rug, Yeah, I want to say he

636
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.559
was like my last job. I
went like, dude, he was working

637
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.239
that job up there. Maybe he
had the worst rug you can possibly I

638
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.079
mean, I love him to death. We had the worst rug you can

639
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:36.119
possibly imagine. He's working out though, right, he was at the short

640
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.559
cutoff shirt. He's had his shut
off shirts. But but he was be

641
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:45.199
smoking a cigarette, drinking coffee while
he's working a cigarette. Yeah. Yeah.

642
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.840
So one time I have I have
dinner at my house with him,

643
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:52.639
his wife, my brother Steve,
my brothers, and John Hopkins and his

644
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:57.360
wife Mary. So I told I
don't know what I said. I said

645
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.679
something about the rug, and he
got fuck pissed off the rug, you

646
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.639
know. So the next day he
is, You're a fucking scum bag.

647
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:07.320
Those people didn't know I had a
fucking rug. I'm like, dude,

648
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.280
they didn't know you had a run, I said, The fucking blind guy

649
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.440
on the block knows you were a
fucking Yeah, come on, bro,

650
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:22.880
don't come off in water. Yeah
all right, geez, you're up,

651
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.400
kid. Uh. I probably probably
the one that sticks out the first,

652
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.840
the most of my mind is the
the collapse on Walton Avenue in the Bronx

653
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:44.280
when we were we were a special
called there because the flora collapsed and uh,

654
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.199
when we got there, we parked
up on the think it was the

655
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.960
Grand Concourse and then we had to
make our way down. Uh the hell

656
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:59.199
it was John Gain Yeah, John
was I worked there that day too,

657
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:08.360
beato. I'm having brain faughts.
Hee hassock. Uh, Brindy C all

658
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.440
those guys so we get in.
Make a long story short, forty one

659
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.920
pops out of the billco do off
of the basement. Were going shoot the

660
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:22.239
basement. We breached the wall between
the two buildings and we ended up.

661
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:30.320
Brindc got the lieutenant Harplak complax red
his ankle. I said, I'm down

662
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:36.119
here with my uh proby, my
proby. He's got the nozzle. He's

663
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.920
right beneath me. Uh so we
uh cut a lot of plywood and stuff

664
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.000
around him. I'm talking to the
guy, you know, as clear as

665
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.639
day, and he's telling me the
whole time. You know that, Uh

666
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.239
you know, my my cameres me. My nozzle man is right beneath me.

667
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:59.199
We got to get him out.
And uh you know, as I'm

668
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:01.039
talking to him, I can tell
he's like I'm trying to put a mask

669
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:06.119
on him. And uh you know, now we got guys bringing tools in

670
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.719
cut and plywood cut and lumber.
Uh there's other companies above him coming down

671
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:16.239
below. Uh get him out,
you know. And then uh yeah,

672
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:20.599
I mean that the chief and the
soccer tan is trying to pull us out,

673
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.639
and I look at I think it
was Jack and Malvern Jack, right,

674
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.840
that's his name. Moment you tell
me you got to get out of

675
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:30.000
here. You've been down here too
long. I said, We're not getting

676
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:36.239
out of here until I get this
pretended out of there. And uh so

677
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:42.639
we stayed down there a long time
and Polly eventually got him out, put

678
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:46.199
him out, A stretcher got him
out, and then they get They ended

679
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:51.320
up getting uh what was the guy's
named, Mike Riley out two from the

680
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.840
from up. He's a probe,
don't they do the failing new on the

681
00:53:53.920 --> 00:54:00.519
job? Yeah, military and uh, flush, kid, that was it.

682
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:06.199
You know, that was not so
much as far as a fire,

683
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.599
because the fire was pretty much out
by the time we got there. But

684
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:14.800
you know, I'm looking up in
the sky basically, and there's I got

685
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.159
read for units hanging above me,
and you know, there's there's all kinds

686
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.800
of sheet just falling down. You
know, this place is just full of

687
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:29.239
cann goods and shampoo and slippery and
uh, you know they had already pulled

688
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:36.280
a bunch of guys out. Yeah, but knowing that the lieutenant was alive

689
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.880
when we pulled them out, and
I'm talking to him, and I knew

690
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:45.800
his family. You know, his
father was my mechanic and uh so just

691
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:52.719
knowing that and and you know he
didn't survive. Uh that was the amazing

692
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.440
part that She's like he was talking
the whole time. Well, I think

693
00:54:55.480 --> 00:55:00.360
what happened was the position of his
body. He was talking to me,

694
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.039
he was like laying straight down,
but his body was at a ryan angele.

695
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.840
And you know I heard things at
the funeral, like I spoke to

696
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.239
the family afterwhids because I'm basically the
last person that you talked to him alive,

697
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.719
and uh, you know, he
had a lot of internal injuries and

698
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:24.519
stuff like that. So once they
relieved the pressure, yeah, he bled

699
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:30.760
out. And even though we had, uh they that that rescue metic program

700
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.559
that they were in the basement when
we got there, those guys yeah yeah,

701
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.519
yeah, I mean those guys are
starting the line on him and everything.

702
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:40.360
But you know, sometimes there's certain
things you just can't control, you

703
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:49.239
know that. I mean that every
every August, I reached out to the

704
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:52.880
guys that worked that fire, Jarnie
Kaines and the Vito and Jerry Osha and

705
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.639
all those guys, just to let
him not said. And this is what

706
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.639
I said to him right after the
fire. I got him all at the

707
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.960
back of the ring. I said, look, yeah, I've been to

708
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.280
a lot of these days, I
said, but I've never been more proud

709
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:13.840
of the actually said my men did
that day. And I think that's you

710
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:17.159
know, a lot of the guys, you know, Mike and Captain Sam

711
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:22.480
was safe. Yeah, the guys
in the rescues and the spies that they

712
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:28.480
will go one hundred and fifty miles
an hour to get you know, to

713
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:34.039
get the job done until they're at
the point of exhaustion. Yeah. Yeah,

714
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:38.199
I think I think I had to
send Will Hassek to the hospital because

715
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:44.400
he was like his body was shutting
down. And we all should have gone

716
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:46.960
to the hospital. It was shitty
down there, man, all of the

717
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:51.880
f I had a headache for a
weekend. I should have gone, you

718
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.599
know, I should have gone to
the h had the Patrick yep, you

719
00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:01.760
know, but I'm mistubborn Guinea and
uh I didn't go, and did anyone

720
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:06.000
else. I don't think that we
don't let hash to get that he was

721
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:15.039
he was the only one that would
stick from that get him and sending you

722
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:16.519
reach out. We gotta get Johnny
Gain on the show. He keeps telling

723
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:20.920
me, I'll get Johnny Fay.
I gotta say one thing. Listen to

724
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.480
all these stories. You know what, It's funny. You know a lot

725
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:30.000
of people that are watching this show
perceive us going to talk about this big

726
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.199
fire, this big this, this
big that. But it seems to be

727
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:39.079
a commonality among most FD and Y
guys. It's those little jobs that stick

728
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:45.719
in your mind, right, And
I think that's important because it shows how

729
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:52.880
humble we are, how focused we
are, and it's those little things that

730
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.400
mold us into what we are as
firefighters and officers. And I'm just gonna

731
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.199
add this one thing and then you
can move on. Kevin. It's a

732
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:08.000
mundane story. I was detailed to
Squad one. Alf's was divorce and we

733
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:10.639
get an EMS. Cool because I
think at those days, in those days,

734
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.719
squad one was knocking them dead with
ems. So we go to some

735
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:22.000
spot in Brooklyn, I think it
was the first second floor. We go

736
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.800
in there. I think she had
been dead for a while. We did

737
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:30.599
the vitals, nothing there. She
died of AIDS and all I remember is

738
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:35.880
looking up. She was in bed, looking up to the bedstand and seeing

739
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:40.880
a photograph of her when she was
vibrant, beautiful and didn't have AIDS.

740
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.360
So, you know, I think
we're like I said, we're all humble

741
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.159
guys. You know, you know
you can read all the books you want

742
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.280
and watch all this stuff about FD
and Y, but the commonality that was

743
00:58:53.320 --> 00:59:00.119
on this screen is what makes FD
and Y unique. I'm sorry if I

744
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:06.159
started step on dose. We see
a lot, but we treat every incident

745
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:10.880
the same one thousand percent, five
thousand percent. We go out of our

746
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.079
way to do the job, and
unfortunately there are a lot of line and

747
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:21.320
duty in deaths and FD and why. But we're all proud of what we

748
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:25.719
did. And one more thing,
everybody on this screen gives back in their

749
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.920
own way. We all play it
forward, and that's the key to success

750
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.960
of fdmy. We all give back, whether it's coming on this show,

751
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:40.039
which is a home run Kevin,
or lecturing, writing books, volunteering in

752
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:45.039
a local fight department. We all
do our share to bring what we know

753
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:51.719
forward to the next generation, to
make sure that we all play it safe.

754
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:53.960
That's what I tell guys when I
try to get him on the show.

755
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:57.000
I'm like, listen, you're not
doing it for yourself. We're not

756
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:00.880
look here to really talk about rear
per se, but it's what you can,

757
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:06.239
what you can say for posterity,
what you could because once you're gone,

758
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.159
your stories are gone, your teachings
are gone, your lessons are gone.

759
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:13.280
The only way you can, you
know, live forever, is by

760
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.039
sharing your stories. You know.
I try to tell these chiefs like,

761
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:17.159
I don't want to I don't want
to talk about myself. I'm like,

762
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:21.400
you'ren't really talking about yourself. You're
talking about guys who made you who you

763
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.639
are, and you're passing it down
to the next generation. You know,

764
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:29.159
the chiefs, company officers who were
the only as good as the guys behind

765
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:36.360
you, you know, make every
exactly you know, And I think I

766
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.159
think it's our job as guys that
came through. I mean, Joe,

767
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:47.079
Captain Hasson came through the whole war
years, and he's got stories that can

768
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:52.079
blow all of us out of the
water. And he's he's passed those stories

769
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:59.239
on and he taught me how to
how to be a great, how to

770
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:02.559
be a good fire, and how
to pass things on. And I and

771
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:07.559
I always thought that that was our
job, even when we left the job,

772
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:13.199
pass on your knowledge to the new
guys, because you know, when

773
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:16.000
you looked at nine to eleven and
the amount of guys we lost, not

774
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:20.960
only the three hundred and forty three
guys that died that day, how many

775
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:28.800
guys rest before died that day seven
I believe was it seventh seven? And

776
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:34.480
but not only those guys, but
the guys, the guys that retired after

777
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:42.800
that. The amount of experience that
this job lost after nine to eleven was

778
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.599
just unbelievable. You know. I
remember when you were retired, you could

779
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:50.519
go back to the firehouse for like
five years and there'd still be guys there

780
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.320
that you worked with. When I
retired, I went back like a year

781
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:58.559
later, there was nobody there that
I worked with it except I think Michael,

782
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.840
you know, and that was something
that was totally that was a new

783
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:07.360
experience for I think for a lot
of us. Yeah, it was devastating

784
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:13.679
at that time. I was a
fineman uh in two fifty two, and

785
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.320
then I got promoted the weekend after
nine to eleven, and then within three

786
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.800
or four months I was back as
a lieutenant and scart when I was sent

787
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.440
back that to rebuild that company because
the same thing. We look, not

788
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.119
only did we lose the guys that
got killed that day, but guys that

789
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:36.119
retired and stuff like that. And
for me, it almost became like like

790
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.719
that groundhog day every time I go
to work to be a new guy.

791
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:45.119
Okay, we got to spot all
this training over again, you know.

792
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.519
And it was you know, three
you know, three years of that,

793
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.760
and when I got the opportunity to
go to rescue four, it was like

794
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:59.559
it was like, first of all, it was a dream come true because

795
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.719
I I wanted to go there as
a fine and I wasn't able to because

796
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.000
you know, at the time,
there was no movement in the rescue at

797
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:20.880
all. So when I was able
to go there, yeah, but you

798
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:31.280
got stuck with me, Joe.
You know, it's one of the things

799
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:37.440
I wish. I wish the job
would allow guys that went through all those

800
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:45.239
years to come out to the fire
academy and talk to the new guy and

801
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:49.559
tell tell these new guys, you
know, teach them, teach them like

802
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.400
history and tradition of this job,
what this job is about, you know,

803
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:57.360
because I always believe if you don't
have this job in your heart,

804
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.239
you don't belong on this job.
You know. It's Jack Cleehouse's father coined

805
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:06.840
the phrase when he was on the
job. It's not a job, it's

806
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:11.320
a way of life, and it
is. It's caught. It's like becoming

807
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.480
a priest, you know, it
becomes your way of life. And a

808
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.639
lot of guys come on the shop
and they don't know that. What's that?

809
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:30.719
I watch that priest ship, all
right, but a clergy man,

810
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:36.199
how's that? Do we correct that? Good job? But these are things

811
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:41.800
that I think need to be passed
to these new guys to let them know

812
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:48.039
the history why we are who we
are, why this department has the reputation

813
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:54.760
that it has, and the reputation
of this job was built on guys for

814
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.519
the past, you know, one
hundred or one hundred and fifty years,

815
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.800
the things that we did, you
know. And and a lot of guys

816
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.800
come on this job today and uh, they don't know that. They don't

817
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:08.639
know the history of the job.
A lot of guys don't even know why

818
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:12.000
it's fd N Y and not n
Y f D. I gotta ask that

819
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:18.760
question. I gotta ask that question
by a guy. Yeah, it's it's

820
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:24.119
in the it's in the city charter. When they turn of the century when

821
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:28.480
when all of the boroughs and kind
of became part of New York City.

822
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:32.079
In the charter, it says there
shall be in New York City Police Department

823
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:39.599
and there shall also be a fire
Department of the city in New York And

824
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:44.360
that's why. And we're the I
believe we're the only fire department that are

825
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:48.280
recognized fire department before the name of
the city. That's another thing that makes

826
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:53.639
us unique. You know, what
guys need to thank God is to get

827
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:58.679
Insult the Experience podcast for guys to
share these experiences. So many guys could

828
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:01.960
meet history for the job. And
like I said, I look back at

829
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.239
my time as approbing one of the
guys I made such a big difference in

830
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:09.599
my career from what he taught me. Was guy a lieutenant in rescue Foroe

831
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:15.360
named John Dylon, and he was
just such a personality, such a source

832
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.920
of information. I just think that
we should talk about him a little bit

833
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:24.840
because he was such a fountain of
knowledge and such a character above everything else.

834
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:32.519
Can I tell Duke story story?
Did I tell you the story when

835
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:38.039
I was on before about Duke?
When when I when when they sent me

836
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.559
to rescue four to straighten him out, didn't I tell that story? I

837
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:51.480
think, yeah, Well, anyhow, you know, when that what the

838
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:56.079
hell is his name was getting promoted
to his five five, I think I

839
01:06:56.119 --> 01:07:00.440
told the story. There was five
five rescue captains. They were all Irish

840
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:05.760
and and the Colombians were bitch in
the morning, and Ray Brown was running

841
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:11.599
rescue services at the time, and
he was complaining to me that didn't know

842
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:15.280
what to do and all that stuff. So I said, well, I'm

843
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.760
a member of the Colombians and I'm
a member of of the Emeralds, so

844
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:23.199
put me in there. And they
can't. They can't say nothing. He

845
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:29.519
don't want them to can bitch,
you know. So so I get interviewed

846
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.719
by o'rour to be the captain of
rescue for and he says, well,

847
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:38.079
you got the experience, you get
this, you get that. He says.

848
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:40.480
Uh, he says, but we
got a lieutenant that it needs to

849
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:44.599
be straightened out. If you tell
me you can straighten him out, well,

850
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.599
uh, you know that's your We'll
let you be. We'll give you

851
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:54.199
the we'll give you the spot.
And he says John Dylon, I said,

852
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:57.639
oh, I won't have any problems
straighten him out or anything. But

853
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:02.239
he didn't know that. He's one
of my best friends. I'll take care

854
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:09.719
of that kind straight him out.
So when I got guy says, John,

855
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:15.440
don't don't fuck up for a while. All right, you got a

856
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:20.800
story? This, this is funny. We're up on Woodside Avenue and uh,

857
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:24.840
it's the middle of the day,
stopped at the traffic light, and

858
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:29.960
the Duke looks over and there's a
gypsy cab office there and there's a gypsy

859
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.479
camp parked in a hydrant. And
the Duke yells back to me, he

860
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:36.920
goes, get this summons book.
I get the summons book. I come

861
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:43.079
out. We walk over there and
this Asian fella comes running out of the

862
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:49.600
gypsy cab store. And the Asian
guy wants to know if I speak Spanish.

863
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:55.279
So I'm like, wait a minute, we're in America. Where are

864
01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:59.279
you from? And he goes,
Korea. I go, so your Korean?

865
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.199
And you want it all if I
speak Spanish. So the Duke says

866
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:08.279
to him, license and registration,
and he gives it to the Duke,

867
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:12.840
and the Duke looks at him and
he goes, you're from Korea and the

868
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:20.279
guy goes, oh yeah, yeah. He goes north to south and the

869
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:30.439
south and the duke goes walking for
you move it off, com bastard,

870
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:40.800
Bobo. You gotta say, Jesus, I forgot already, forgot ready because

871
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:45.560
I'm empty. One thing about over
there at the Rock when we were having

872
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:49.960
sensitivity training when bringing the women on, Oh oh oh, that was a

873
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:58.039
great one. Do you remember that
one, Mike? Yeah, And I

874
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:03.000
tell him before we go over,
no, nobody say a fucking word.

875
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:08.000
Don't say nothing, no questions,
no nothing. We'll be out of here

876
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:13.159
in no time, you know.
So Dylan's with us. I guess they

877
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:19.359
sent them over and over time for
sensitivity training. So we're sitting there and

878
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:27.319
uh, the guy starts it was
a it was a red head. I

879
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:30.239
think it was a red headed,
a red headed woman. She was a

880
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:36.920
psychology psychologist. And she says,
you know, she starts with a bullshit

881
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.560
about the women and there's the the
egal and blah blah blah. And she

882
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.760
says, before we start, though, is there any anybody have anything to

883
01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:48.239
say about this? And Dylan raises
his hand and I said, oh,

884
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.199
that's it. That's the end of
the world for us. We'll be here'll

885
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:57.720
fucking She says, yes, Lieutenant, what is it? He says,

886
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:06.640
we don't need no fucking women on
this. Didn't tell him take up.

887
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:12.840
No, They kept Ustadt about five
o'clock. They wouldn't let us go.

888
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:21.840
They dreamed us in one one way
after another. Unbelievable nod. Holy it

889
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:30.199
almost sounds like the Duke. Everybody, Mike, did you have a Duke

890
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.520
story? Well, the only I
have a few, but the one that

891
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:40.840
stands out, and it's only recently
after he died, uh kiddy. His

892
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:45.840
wife died, so the family sold
the house in Holbrook, and he invited

893
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:50.439
me over and I didn't know why
other than I knew Duke and I was

894
01:11:50.479 --> 01:12:00.560
a pool bear at his uh funeral
And they had UH about thirty or forty

895
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:08.159
years worth of firehouse and fire engineering
nearing magazines, which I now have,

896
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:13.520
and I thought that was great to
have them because they were going to throw

897
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:16.560
them out. So my goal is
down the road, once they get the

898
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:23.439
new library set up at the Rock, which I think it's transitioning. I

899
01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:28.479
believe right, Ray, Yeah,
it's a well Chief sleep, they transition

900
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.880
to go to electronic so yeah,
yeah, I get that, everybody.

901
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:38.479
Yeah, but I'm hoping to talk
to Frank. I may see him on

902
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:43.119
Saturday, he'll be here. Listen. I have a ton of these magazines

903
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.800
and get filled with a lot of
dmy stories, pictures, et cetera.

904
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:53.800
And I would love to donate it
to the library for the Rock, but

905
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:58.239
I gotta say about that at a
really good price. Look, I want

906
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:00.800
to interrupt you. Yeah, go
ahead. You don't want to donate it

907
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:06.159
to the Rock. He wants to
sell it to have somebody take him out

908
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:14.239
of your house. That's all you
gotta. I got it. You got

909
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:21.399
nobody tell him about the company qualified
Shelff you see. See. Well,

910
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:28.680
listen, I will tell you a
story about Duke. Duke was Uh,

911
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:34.159
he was a teetoller. I'll say
it quite what everyone when they worked with

912
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.319
Duke, he was drinking a six
pack of butt every night. He wasn't

913
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:46.760
he take one but wrap it in
the city supply brown paper towels. Yeah

914
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:55.880
yeah. And he'd had one beer
in his car, hot dungeree jacket and

915
01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:00.279
we would drive the entire night fires
whatever he had the one beer. Everyone

916
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.720
thought they had more than one beer. He never did more than one beer.

917
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:11.720
Uh, but he he did have
a gentleman Bill Billips great guy became

918
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:18.800
the QCC became the Qualified Cooler Carrier
and Bill billups and he's a guy,

919
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:27.680
the most religious guy. Bill another
name from the Uh would always stuff it

920
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.760
with ice, a couple of buds
and uh that was Bill's nickname. The

921
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:39.319
qc C the Qualified Shelfer to qualify
Cooler Carrier. And like I said,

922
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:45.119
Duke had one beer bringing upstairs type
away on the typewriters. But it was

923
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:50.039
only one beer. Uh. You
know he was mister Hurst tool. I

924
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:58.199
mean even he repaired the site right, he worked for That's what made him

925
01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:03.920
sick was the constant exposure to the
hydraulical fluid. I think you're right in

926
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:13.680
some sort of sickness. But he
would get a special called into the shops

927
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:15.640
to work on tools, where he
comes to the fire house and work on

928
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:23.439
odd tools. Uh. He was
just a you know this, I gotta

929
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:28.079
tell you something. I think you
got a picture of him there Gonzo,

930
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:34.880
which because I was looking for that, because I was like, man,

931
01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:38.640
did I label this thing? Because
I had the John He's not in the

932
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:45.560
John genes pick right, No,
yeah, I have them the ones that

933
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:46.920
we just went through. I was
I was looking for I'm like, I

934
01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:53.000
know I had something. We just
talked about him. Jack Dugan is there,

935
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:59.840
Tom Williams is there. Toby Williams
not the great guy guy, but

936
01:15:59.920 --> 01:16:03.239
I was. They were the lieutenants
for me. I'm telling you what an

937
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:09.600
easy job I had with Williams and
the Duke and Jack Duggan, and then

938
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:15.760
we got yeah, I had a
great, great, great bunch of guys,

939
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.960
had a good one something. It
wasn't one of your traits. And

940
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:21.800
the pictures was it? No,
no, no, he's up by then.

941
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:26.439
Yeah. I was just trying to
you got that. I'm sorry.

942
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:30.239
I could have sworn we said that. I thought I duke by himself.

943
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:33.239
That's what I thought. It was. Okay, thank you, Chief.

944
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:40.560
Yeah, you know usually I'm well
prepared. Chief. I don't want to

945
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.279
hear that. I guess you didn't
have a test in pictures, did you.

946
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.520
You didn't have a chief day.
That's the problem. I had a

947
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:53.840
squeeze in his hair. He can't
think I'm gonna kick your ass. Damn.

948
01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:56.560
You know what I wanted to say. Also, while gons is uh

949
01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:02.960
looking for that picture desperately, I'm
like the thing too about guys telling their

950
01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:06.760
stories like those years where guys who
are going to fires all the time that

951
01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:12.039
ain't coming back in any time soon. So you know, they don't have

952
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.720
that fire experience. So these stories
are priceless. You know what they can

953
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:18.640
take from these stories or the old
school tip of the day, or you

954
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:21.560
know, I get emails all the
time from guys saying, oh my god,

955
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:25.199
you know I listened to the show. I learned so much from the

956
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:29.119
show. Because I don't I don't
believe that we're going to have those warriors.

957
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.880
I could be wrong, but you
know, hopefully, hopefully. Yeah,

958
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:36.199
you know what, Kevin, I
kind of believe. And Ray I

959
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:42.760
think they're gonna come back because the
commercial real estate is tanking in New York

960
01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:49.159
City. Uh Uh, the city
is taking all these immigrants that can afford

961
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:57.079
it. Uh. They're asking all
the police cops, I mean police fire

962
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.760
ems, et cetera, et cetera, to cut the budgets. I think

963
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:05.119
the city is going to have some
tough times. It could, but I

964
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:09.479
did a lot of research. I
don't want it to happen, but I

965
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:13.359
can tell you something. I don't
think that John Lindsey Lee is are that

966
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:18.720
far away. Because Mayor Adams Urry
I think there's gonna be problems. I

967
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:24.199
think a lot of them have changed, you know, the the welfare system

968
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:28.039
has changed, and that they're not
getting paid to relocate. I think that

969
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:32.039
there'll be a lot of less incentive
to burn buildings. But I think that

970
01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:36.039
I think there'll be a lot less
maintenance, and I think that there will

971
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:42.239
be more like the lithium battery fires. I think that the general situation will

972
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.520
lead to more fhives, but I
don't think it'll be the same situation as

973
01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:50.600
the that time. That time in
the sixties and seventies, I did a

974
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:55.039
lot of research on it, and
there was so many contributing factors that created

975
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:59.279
the perfect storm. Like Ray said, incentivizing people to burn themselves out,

976
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.880
uh, the the insurance, Uh, the different things with insurance that was

977
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:09.399
going on with these with these landlords
were getting paid astronomical fees for a piece

978
01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:13.279
of ship properties where they have you
know, Gomez burning them out, and

979
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:16.199
uh, the city looking to burn
people out. It was cheaper to burn

980
01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:19.880
them out than that to move them
out. So there were so many contributing

981
01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:25.039
factors. It wasn't just economy,
it wasn't just immigrants and all of the

982
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:28.399
ship. There were so many things
that played a part in the Warriors that

983
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:31.119
I don't know if that's ever going
to come back like that. So it

984
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:34.560
might be the reasons, uh that
it could happen, you know, but

985
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:38.840
not those reasons anymore. Right.
So, like I said, that's why

986
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.119
these stories that you guys tell,
I mean, they're invaluable. I mean

987
01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:46.640
for these I would love to talk
about. It doesn't involve penises, does

988
01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:53.319
it mean, Mike, Because I
don't want to hear another penis story Boston.

989
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:58.039
So if you want to tell that
story, Joe, please, I

990
01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:03.800
didn't. I didn't tell that story
before. We bet. We bet the

991
01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:10.479
Rescue two in Boston on the eighty
six World Series and Mets against the the

992
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:19.319
whatever the Red Sox so uh so
was whoever won had their choice we'd go

993
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:25.600
there or they would go here and
we get T shirts. Right, So

994
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:31.239
the Mets pull off that miracle,
uh and we ended up we decided to

995
01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:38.479
go to Boston and and hang out
with them and Rescue two and they would

996
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:42.000
give us all T shirts. So
we went up. How many guys might

997
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:45.359
maybe fifteen twenty guys, I don't
know how many. Yeah, with a

998
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:50.439
lot of guys twelve a dozen guys. We go up and we they were

999
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:55.920
in a firehouse there and were treated
to a great dinner and everything. So

1000
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.439
we go and then we go out
down to Fanuel Paul. So I tell

1001
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:01.439
these guys, I said, this
is Irish joint. You know, this

1002
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:06.479
is Irish. We're going to the
Russian Dew with black Rose. That's the

1003
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:12.560
translation, because everybody here is Irish. So my name is Joe Shannon.

1004
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:17.399
I'm not going to be jokes that
song and in the Russian du I said,

1005
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:21.000
Joe Shannon. So we go in
there and as Irish footballers in there

1006
01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:26.479
as everybody the places rocket and rolling
to the rafters, bang bang bang bang

1007
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:31.520
as usual and ends up everybody falls
by the wayside. They fall by the

1008
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:35.319
wayside. Now it's late at night
and there's four people in the joint,

1009
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:42.279
me and Mike Miller and two nice
blonde Boston girls, nice Irish lasses.

1010
01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:49.359
So so me and Mike I'm making
really really good headway. We're on the

1011
01:21:49.479 --> 01:22:00.840
cusp of you know, success of
euphoria. And uh so finally the girls

1012
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:04.119
ask her name and I said,
I'm Joe Shannon. You know, Oh

1013
01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.960
that's great, you know, And
he said, well, I'm Mike Miller.

1014
01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:11.279
She says, well, what's Mike
Milner? She says, well,

1015
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:15.640
he says uh. He says,
well, my mother's Irish and my father's

1016
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:18.720
Jewish. And this girl looks at
him. She says, I hate fucking

1017
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:25.920
New York Jews. You're out.
Wow, you should have said Michael Milner

1018
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:32.319
for Christ Mike, I thought I
almost dropped dead. Poor Mike, he's

1019
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:40.479
just like what I thought, went
like this, Oh my god, and

1020
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:43.960
he says, I'm proud of my
heritage. But that didn't work. They

1021
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.439
turned on their heels and left.
The two was standing there by ourselves,

1022
01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:51.279
and there's two schmucks in the bar
late at night. It's about two or

1023
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:55.439
three in the morning. So now
we got no place to go. The

1024
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.800
boss clothes me and Mike go out, and we're looking around for someplace,

1025
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:08.520
and right, no place except downstairs
basement Chinese restaurant. Right here, here's

1026
01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:14.279
me and my old stood of the
mickey downstairs at the fucking Chinese restaurant.

1027
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:18.720
We should have been upstairs with the
two blonds colleens, but we were,

1028
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:25.119
and we got to you know,
charming the servants, fucking some gooey and

1029
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:36.000
fried rice and stuffing some gooey You
wishing the broads were eating some gooey that

1030
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:45.359
night? Problem you were eating something
to some dumb bucks to go. Yeah,

1031
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.239
you find that picture? What are
you doing? I don't see it

1032
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:55.840
in here, a single photo.
So I actually sent you something. Yeah,

1033
01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:08.119
that's what I come on, Pete, I mean Gonzo beat you.

1034
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:15.520
Here's the duke and on the left. Yes see, we don't have a

1035
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.359
single picture of him all the way
on the left, all the way on

1036
01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:24.319
the left looking good. Dare boy. Who's the guy between Mike and the

1037
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:32.840
duke, Mike Loftist. It's a
chief of the Yeah, Mike. And

1038
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:41.319
who's the other guy. That's Billy
Billups. Oh that's Billy Billips. Yes,

1039
01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:47.920
sir nice. He became a red
or something right, well, he

1040
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:57.960
became a eucharistic eucharistic minister in uh
st you of Lincoln Church and Huntington and

1041
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.960
he comes up to me. He
was a bay constable and hunting in Harbor

1042
01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:05.560
and he comes up to me and
he says, Joe, Joe, he

1043
01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:15.399
says, I'm now a eucalyptus minister. Right. It was right out of

1044
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:21.159
uh what the hell was there name
that show? But the way they talked

1045
01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:25.279
that, but that's what he said, Oh, Billy Miro And who's the

1046
01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:32.359
other you know, loftus you I
don't know who the guy in the yellow

1047
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:35.399
shirt is a green shirt. Who's
the guy in the yellow shirt he looks

1048
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:40.039
for Yeah, as you said,
Joe's on his on his name, Oh

1049
01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:43.800
yeah, Joey Yeah, Joe Jesus. He was from by the rest of

1050
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:49.920
four. Yeah, yeah, street
Truck Billy I thought he was. I

1051
01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:57.359
thought he was the one twenty six
guy, Billy Billy. Oh he was

1052
01:25:57.399 --> 01:25:59.960
in the union, right, Well, that doesn't even look like Richie Yulaw

1053
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:08.479
long ago? Is that seventy six
seventy fifth anniversary? I think anniversary?

1054
01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:12.600
So when was that Richie? Next
month? Down so south right when I

1055
01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:15.720
got there, Richie should be on
the show, which you gotta get Richie

1056
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:21.399
on the show, bro one of
which his gang Johnny gangs big Richie Schmidt.

1057
01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:29.119
That's the seventy fifth anniversary. Yeah, yeah, Joe Gandiello ran.

1058
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:33.720
Who's the who's the guy between Richie
Schmidt and I forget the lieutenant's name?

1059
01:26:34.199 --> 01:26:42.760
That's a solid right, yeah,
Sally oh ship, Yeah, he's in

1060
01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:47.640
the know. Who's in between Sally
and Richie Schmidt. I don't know that

1061
01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:53.479
game. I'm not sure who that
is. I think he hears the party

1062
01:26:54.199 --> 01:27:01.359
photo Obama, Hey got Kevin.
Yeah, I just want you to know.

1063
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:10.720
Joe's a very pious man. Okay, Joe, who oh, very

1064
01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:16.479
pious man. I think his sisters
and none. Right, Yes, he

1065
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.479
was actually he was actually going to
become a priest, wasn't he. Yeah?

1066
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:30.039
I was, Yes, I still
I still may. Yeah, I'm

1067
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:38.199
thinking about it. Don't chase the
altar boys around the altar and grand by

1068
01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:44.359
the organ. All right? You
heard that, Joe, I'm listening.

1069
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:47.439
Don't chase the older boys around the
altar and grand by the organ. All

1070
01:27:47.520 --> 01:28:00.960
right? And really she's a sweetheart. Yeah, I mean your your Your

1071
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.640
sister's a sweetheart. I met her
a few times. Yeah, she's great.

1072
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:11.319
Yeah, yeah, she's crazy,
she's she's wonderful. Thank God for

1073
01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:15.359
her. She makes up for me. Where she worked, yoke, I

1074
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:18.079
think Sody, you were Lincoln.
Now. She worked in that parish right

1075
01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:24.359
next to one twenty truck for twenty
twenty something years, twenty five years,

1076
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:29.039
straight down the block from one twenty
truck. Is it Catholic church there?

1077
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:33.119
Yeah? She was there for twenty
twenty five years. Wow. Then she

1078
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:38.520
came out to Huntington doing the work
of the Lord. Yeah. I think

1079
01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:42.119
Jim's bringing that over to the fire
riders. He wants to do the work.

1080
01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:45.560
Yeah. Who I see all the
time, you boy, you believe

1081
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:49.359
in that? Who rides all the
time for mccarto, Yeah, all the

1082
01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:55.239
time? A lot of wire riders. He isn't fire riders the trick.

1083
01:28:55.359 --> 01:29:00.239
He comes around all the time,
come hey, runs down raffle everything.

1084
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.479
And he's tough man, just like
he was at the fire house. He's

1085
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:10.399
tough. Yeah. It was changed
life. He left your son. Yeah,

1086
01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:15.439
it's tough. His brother not too
far after, after nine eleven,

1087
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:21.319
Yes, yeah, and I don't
know you know this he does. He

1088
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:25.479
did. His brother passed away not
quite a year ago. Brother was in

1089
01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:30.880
the s U I think. Yeah. Yeah, mccondle's story. He tried

1090
01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:34.479
to He wanted to go knuckle up
with me one time, bro in the

1091
01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:41.600
TV room. Yeah, so you
had to talk with him, dude.

1092
01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.920
He was sitting in the recliner the
lazy Boy, and my buddy Blaze was

1093
01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:50.319
laying sleeping in the couch and I
was gonna go over and I was gonna

1094
01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:55.520
fought right and blaze his face.
But I didn't know he wasn't sleeping.

1095
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.800
He was pretending to sleep. So
when I pulled my draws down, I

1096
01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:00.720
went the fought on him and he
he kicked me, and I wound up

1097
01:30:00.880 --> 01:30:08.399
fought and write. In Phil mccaudall's
Faith film, the only dead part was

1098
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:11.239
he dude, this is what he
I don't know if he's still heavy.

1099
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:14.720
He couldn't get out of He couldn't
get out of the recliner. Bro.

1100
01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:18.239
He was like, I'm gonna fucking
kill you. He couldn't get out of

1101
01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:26.720
the record. He's still still like
that. He's got a lot of health

1102
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.960
problems right now, Phil, but
he's still is a great guy. Man.

1103
01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:32.800
Yeah, you don't know. I
know this story about Phil on nine

1104
01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:38.960
to eleven. Supposedly he got an
early relief because he had a dentist appointment

1105
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:43.600
yep, and missed nine to eleven. And I think it was two or

1106
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.159
three weeks later his son was killed
in that car crash. Yeah, you

1107
01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:50.960
know, uh, just strange.
He's the only guy in Asthmad that missed

1108
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:55.800
that, you know, and that
happened to him. There were two guys

1109
01:30:55.840 --> 01:31:00.800
that were working that day that missed
it. Bobby, Bobby Hunter and Costan

1110
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:03.680
Castagna. They were in the rig
and they pulled the rig away. They

1111
01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:09.159
were there when the when the building. Yes, was the resource and one

1112
01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:11.319
guy was the show for something.
I don't know what the fuck it was.

1113
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:16.039
Something that the survivor is guilt.
Bro. I was just gonna say,

1114
01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:25.399
survivor's guilt. Uh. That's a
big issue with guys and women across

1115
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:31.479
the country. I mean, I
have horror stories of my own with the

1116
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:39.359
vivor's guilt. All right, take
care of that colostomy bag at the end

1117
01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:43.960
of the day. You know,
there's a lot of guys that teach line

1118
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:48.920
of duty, may days and all
that, but they don't talk about the

1119
01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:54.800
after effects. Okay, and believe
me, Uh, I'll use Pete McLaughlin

1120
01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:59.199
as an example when he died at
that fire. Kenny Mammon, who was

1121
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:06.920
my best man at a wedding.
Uh right, which wedding? There are

1122
01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:14.159
tons of battalion chiefs offices that just
said, you know what I had,

1123
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.720
I missed it right on my head. We said, which which wedding?

1124
01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:30.680
Oh? All right. The the
issue is that every one wants to discuss

1125
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:34.760
the elephant in the room, which
is survivors guilt. Okay, because Mike,

1126
01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:41.439
can I interject absolutely, I mean
rest before has so many wanted do

1127
01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:44.800
that's when you were there and when
all you guys were there. It just

1128
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:49.319
it has to be part of the
the burden of the firehouse. And I

1129
01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:56.119
think it's just something you guys should
address to us. Well, thank you,

1130
01:32:56.239 --> 01:33:01.520
ready, Eddie, And I just
sent a uh A sheet with the

1131
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:11.359
will the plaques from uh A Rescue
for I believe there's ye had. There's

1132
01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:17.039
fifteen plaques on there, okay,
a couple of guys, uh two guys

1133
01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:20.479
that died in World War Two from
the engine, right. But we sent

1134
01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:26.399
we sent a replica of the the
Wall of Honor out to the Hall of

1135
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:31.279
Fame. Cool and they go ahead, Mike, No, no, go

1136
01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:35.800
finish it. I'm sorry. They
they they put it up where the rig

1137
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:40.279
is on display in the Hall of
Fame. And and I got to tell

1138
01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:42.520
you when we went out there a
couple of years ago, right, Michael,

1139
01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:47.960
that they did some job. And
yeah, yeah, so I think

1140
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:51.319
that was a good thank you.
Go ahead. I was just yeah,

1141
01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:55.880
and it was a good thank you. And I want to address race point

1142
01:33:55.920 --> 01:34:00.119
because he brings up a good one
and I'm not here to have any to

1143
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:02.720
give me sympathy. But I got
to tell you something. I'm not the

1144
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:06.279
only guy on the job, so
believe me, I'm not saying anything that

1145
01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:11.720
other people haven't gone through. But
when I go to that firehouse on nine

1146
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:15.760
to eleven, I look at that
plaque wall, fifteen of those plaques,

1147
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.640
I work with those guys. Yeah, you know, and it's a heavy

1148
01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:24.560
burden to handle, and I want
everybody out there to understand something. You

1149
01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:28.199
know what you know. You may
want to call me a clown or I'm

1150
01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:30.600
a big mouth. We don't want
to hurt hear about fdn Y, But

1151
01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:33.520
at the end of the day,
I want to tell you something. My

1152
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:38.800
goal in life, and it's a
pleasant goal. And it sounds bizarre,

1153
01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:44.359
but it's a pleasant goal. I
do want to talk about the horrors because

1154
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:47.359
someone's got to do it, and
I speak for everybody on the screen,

1155
01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:51.960
so I'm not taking any extra burden
or anything of that nature. But at

1156
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:57.399
the end of the day, if
you want to be a firefighter in this

1157
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.000
country, you got to expect that
it could happen to you at any time.

1158
01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:04.199
Okay. You can train, you
can train on may Days how to

1159
01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:09.560
get guys out of a basement or
a roof or whatever it may be.

1160
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:14.479
But at the end of the day, no one can prepare you for the

1161
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:20.560
after effects, which includes the why
am I alive and he's dead? That

1162
01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:28.159
survived guilt follows you forever might Besides
that guilt, go ahead, please all

1163
01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:33.239
those horrors, guys that deserve to
be remembered, that their sacrifice, their

1164
01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:36.720
their personal lives, their family,
how they lived, what they were in

1165
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:41.600
the firehouse. That's the stuff that
has to be remembered. That's stuff that

1166
01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:45.199
has to be carried on. That's
the stuff that this show should talk about

1167
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:49.119
as often and as much as we
can. Ray, let me tell you

1168
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:54.880
something, and you know, I'm
not going to be morbid or melancholy.

1169
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.840
I'm not Ray, and I have
gone out and I've seen most of the

1170
01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:02.479
guys here here, Eddie and Joe
more than other guys on the screen.

1171
01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:06.399
I'm a pretty upbeat guy. And
one of the reasons that you got to

1172
01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:10.399
be upbeat, because you know what, I ain't gonna let the devil beat

1173
01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:14.800
me. Okay, because to Dray's
point, you got to get out there.

1174
01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.199
You gotta play it forward. And
I gotta tell you something, Kevin,

1175
01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:21.199
and you can tell Louis too.
I got to tell you something.

1176
01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:26.079
You guys blew a little more hot
air into my life. And I mean

1177
01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:30.079
that in a good way, because
you gave me an outlet to say to

1178
01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:33.119
other people out there. You know
what you can do it If a guy

1179
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:38.159
like Mike Milner or anybody else on
the screen can get by a line of

1180
01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:43.000
duty death and survive and talk about
it and play it forward on a positive

1181
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:45.319
note, you can get by.
There's people out there that want to help

1182
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:49.800
you, want to talk about it, and to raise point again, Kevin,

1183
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:56.239
this is a podcast that people should
pay attention to. Okay, I

1184
01:36:56.239 --> 01:37:00.520
don't care if you're the chief of
Florida, Keith Lee who wherever it may

1185
01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.800
be. Everybody out there, you
got to know that you've got a million

1186
01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:09.520
history and you've got to be compassionate, and you've got to realize that if

1187
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:15.119
you don't have a mental health program
in your department, you're missing the point,

1188
01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:17.960
because that's not the battle. Nobody
can get by a broken leg,

1189
01:37:18.479 --> 01:37:24.159
spine injury, blah blah blah.
It's this. If you can't find a

1190
01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:28.439
way to get to that guy's mind
or that woman's mind, get them back

1191
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:34.439
to full duty. Then you're making
a mistake. Let me say, have

1192
01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:38.760
like all the guys here that we
can talk like this and you know we

1193
01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:45.000
have to canceling keeps us together.
Yeah, let me give you two points

1194
01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:50.079
on that, Mike, You're right. The first one being Gray Brown's name

1195
01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:57.119
before and uh, I mean here
was the guy he was, Uh he

1196
01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:09.840
was caught for the rescue. One
was the Brown great un he was service.

1197
01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:19.359
Yeah. When he retired he became
a counselor a lot Yeah me too,

1198
01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:24.840
you know. And uh, and
that is how you you know,

1199
01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:27.680
paying forward. I mean he was, he was a great guy. I

1200
01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:31.560
used to go and talk to him
once twice. Sometimes you know a lot

1201
01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:38.880
more than than you know. When
uh, when I had my first line

1202
01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:44.159
of duty death and when I was
a two eighteen engine and so after the

1203
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:46.199
fire, the senior man, a
guy named Marty Keane, he came to

1204
01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:49.960
me and he said, uh,
hey kid, how you doing. You're

1205
01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:54.840
doing all right? Now. I
had been in the volleys and had line

1206
01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:58.520
of duties. You know, civilians
naturally, you know, and this was

1207
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:00.680
a civilian. It was my first
I had death on the job. But

1208
01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:05.079
Marty said something that I always remembered, and I always passed it on to

1209
01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:09.359
guys because I thought it helped me. He said, listen, if this

1210
01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:15.479
is bothering you, one thing you
got to remember is you didn't start the

1211
01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:17.960
fire. And if you went out
there and did the best job you could

1212
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:23.319
possibly do, then there was nothing
else that was going to happen. You

1213
01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:26.359
know that these these people they were
going to die no matter what happened.

1214
01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:30.119
And I always remember that. I
always tried to pass that on to guys

1215
01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:33.439
that you know, had their first
death on the job, you know,

1216
01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:38.960
civilian death. And I always told
them just remember, as bad as it

1217
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:42.399
is, you didn't start the fire, and we did the best job we

1218
01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:46.760
could do to save these people,
you know. And I just think that's

1219
01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:49.479
something the guys should keep in the
back of their head. They didn't start

1220
01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:59.199
the fire. Yeah, well it
was. And I was. I did

1221
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:10.560
my thirty day detail in forty two
trucks and Captain Johnny John McDonald he was

1222
01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:15.039
working. He was working either the
UFO or whatever, and forty two trucks

1223
01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:20.000
I worked the night before they had
that job was right across the street.

1224
01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:25.439
From the fire houce if I was
on the top floor or now I was

1225
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:30.119
on the fifth floor, sixth story
isolated buildy. So being a pro b

1226
01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:33.520
whatever, I put my stuff back
on. I went across the street,

1227
01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:40.319
I went up the ladder, helped
the roofman out, and then we dropped

1228
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:45.239
down and I could hear the guys
on the fire floor working on somebody in

1229
01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:49.720
the hallway. Make a long story
short, it was Captain McDonald. He

1230
01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:55.279
shoved his came in an iron man
out of the way, out of the

1231
01:40:55.359 --> 01:41:00.520
hallway, saved their lives, but
he got caught in the flashowds. So

1232
01:41:00.920 --> 01:41:04.039
in the aftermath of this whole thing, you know, you got one half

1233
01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:08.520
of the fire house. You know. Now now you've got five offsters gonna

1234
01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:12.319
come down to an interview. You
got these guys. Everybody wants to see

1235
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:14.960
what you have to say. And
you know, some guys are saying,

1236
01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:17.199
don't tell them he did anything,
and the other guys are saying this,

1237
01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:24.039
Yeah, it's like one of those
things that you know, you got to

1238
01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:29.159
talk about it because otherwise you just
think, is it something I did wrong

1239
01:41:29.279 --> 01:41:32.880
and something you know somebody else did
wrong. That was my first line to

1240
01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:35.439
the death in the fire department.
It was you know, it was a

1241
01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:40.359
horrible experience, you know, and
I wouldn't wish set upon anybody, but

1242
01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:45.039
you know, you want a life. Do you know what happened postscripts of

1243
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:50.079
that? His U I used to
help his widow out a bit, and

1244
01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:59.479
she was a Lebanese lady, and
she moved to Bakersfield, California with their

1245
01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:05.680
two and the one boy became a
fire setter, and he was setting fires

1246
01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:12.119
all over the place. And because
because he couldn't get over his dad's death.

1247
01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:15.600
There's a tragedy, a double tragedy
right there, you know, and

1248
01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:20.279
they couldn't help the kid. I
don't know whatever happened to him. I

1249
01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:25.640
don't know the final resolution, but
he was he was in very big trouble

1250
01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:31.960
out in Makersfield for setting fires.
Yeah, you know, I mean as

1251
01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:36.239
fireman, and you know, you
work with these people. I really didn't

1252
01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:40.239
know the captain that well. I
worked with a couple couple of times.

1253
01:42:40.840 --> 01:42:45.720
He was UFOU in forty two trucks
and you know, and I was on

1254
01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:50.079
a thirty day detail there, but
I didn't, you know, And the

1255
01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:55.960
way it happened was just yeah,
because it was just a routine fire.

1256
01:42:57.560 --> 01:43:00.399
That's what I will say. He
saved that out of guy's life. Two

1257
01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:06.560
guys. Yeah, came in the
shutting back all the way right. We

1258
01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:10.880
found him in the They found him
in the UH. It was an old

1259
01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:15.640
war tenement, and they found him
in the the front room, half in,

1260
01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:19.439
half way. He got caught in
the flesh. Yeah, it's just

1261
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:23.960
say yeah, yeah, Mike,
what I wanted to tell you. You

1262
01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:28.960
guys see what came out October thirty
first in the City of Baltimore. Changed

1263
01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:34.439
the subject for a second. Yeah, yeah, it's almost yeah, yeah,

1264
01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:41.319
people in Baltimore. Huh. Some
more people are gonna die in Baltimore.

1265
01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:45.000
Oh yeah, I mean that's crazy. Yeah, you know. I

1266
01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:47.119
mean you can't go in and get
him unless you see him. Yeah.

1267
01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:50.239
It's an over and it's an over
reaction. It's an over reaction to what

1268
01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:54.159
happened. No, No, I
think they lost those guys. But it's

1269
01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:57.720
an overreaction. It's not an overreaction. They can't do any better. They

1270
01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:00.880
don't know any better, they don't
have the resources. It's a total lack

1271
01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:05.199
of a committee from the city to
the UH, to the fire department and

1272
01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:12.520
Yah. In terms of expertise in
terms of technology. The city failed the

1273
01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:15.199
fire department, and that now the
fire department is going to fail the people

1274
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:20.039
of that city because now it's an
exterior attack. Yeah, you know,

1275
01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:24.479
Ray, I know it's not the
fire I mean, it's not blaming anything

1276
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:29.640
else but the city. They failed, the city to fail, but not

1277
01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:33.960
to change the story. I have
a somewhat interesting story that includes Miller and

1278
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:39.119
indirectly includes Finel. All right,
let me let me just tell you what

1279
01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:41.920
before you get into that. I
want to tell you my perspective on survivors

1280
01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:45.920
guilt, because Mike was talking about
it and it is important. So I

1281
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:49.479
was supposed to work on the eleventh, but I was doing personal training in

1282
01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:55.239
World Gym. So I had a
couple of wealthy clients, uh females who

1283
01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:59.079
were married to doctors, and I
wasn't giving them the time that they needed.

1284
01:44:59.119 --> 01:45:00.680
So they said they were going to
go want to somebody else unless I

1285
01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:04.600
trained them. So I called up
the firehouse and asked somebody to work for

1286
01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:09.159
me that day, and I happened
to be Joe Hunter, who took my

1287
01:45:09.359 --> 01:45:14.600
tour. So Joe Hunter works that
day, and of course, as we

1288
01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:17.920
know, Joe Hunter loses his life
and Mike, it must have taken me

1289
01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:24.399
at least ten years. Every nine
to eleven, I'd be cursing God,

1290
01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:27.840
why why? Why? Why?
Why? Why? And I don't know

1291
01:45:27.880 --> 01:45:31.239
what happened. Something clicked in me
and said, you know what, maybe

1292
01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:36.239
instead of saying why, why,
why, maybe I should thank God because

1293
01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:42.520
I've met my wife, I had
two beautiful kids. I was able to

1294
01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:45.000
see my other two kids grow up. So maybe there was a reason.

1295
01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:49.359
Maybe I should be thanking him instead
of fucking always asking why, why why,

1296
01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:53.279
and just change my attitude about it, you know, And ever since

1297
01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.000
then, and I've kind of been
at peace with it, you know.

1298
01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:01.479
So that's just my story, my
own personal story. You have to look

1299
01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:05.720
at that way I always was told
in the beginning, this is a long

1300
01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:10.640
process that many of us note,
including you, Kevin, It's a long

1301
01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:16.399
process to get better, to make
yourself as full as whole as you can

1302
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:23.439
after a traumatic event. I'm not
religious, but I will tell you one

1303
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:28.399
thing. The way I look at
it, and I think you alluded to

1304
01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:35.520
it without saying it is that God
or some other power, there's a reason

1305
01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:41.840
why you're alive, Okay, And
for me, I can't speak for anybody

1306
01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:46.199
else. I like coming on the
show. I like letting my heart bleed

1307
01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:50.960
in front of everybody that wants to
listen to me, because if there's one

1308
01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:56.800
person, two people, three people, that all of us on the screen

1309
01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.640
can help when they have a problem, a dark day, a dark week.

1310
01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.680
That's the end of the day.
We did all my job. We

1311
01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:11.199
played it forward. You know when
when you loads a friend at work and

1312
01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:15.960
you come back with three instead of
four, it's a that's an emotional toll

1313
01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:21.039
that you can't describe to people unless
they've been through it. Okay, so

1314
01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:25.720
unless you've been through it, it's
not gonna happen to me, or I'm

1315
01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:29.920
not gonna worry about it. But
when it hits you in the face and

1316
01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:33.319
you're by yourself, you're going to
wakes, You're going to funerals, you

1317
01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:38.000
have to deal with the widows,
the children, blah blah blah, and

1318
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:44.000
your own demons. That's a long, hard cline to get over. And

1319
01:47:44.399 --> 01:47:46.760
uh, you know what, I
gotta tell you something between this show,

1320
01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:51.079
Uh, the guys on the screen, especially Eddie and Joe and Ray because

1321
01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:57.640
I hang out with them a lot. Uh, and and just the friendship

1322
01:47:57.720 --> 01:48:01.239
and family of FD and why I
mean you can knock us from being the

1323
01:48:01.319 --> 01:48:04.520
biggest. Oh wow, you're full
of ship. But I'll tell you one

1324
01:48:04.640 --> 01:48:10.800
thing. When guys need help on
f D N Y, we're there to

1325
01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:15.079
support him and ain't fucking other department
in my opinion, that could stand up

1326
01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:20.159
to our reputation of lifting us up
out of the dock to bring us to

1327
01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:26.039
light. Enough said, not only
is the biggest of the woman, we

1328
01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:31.600
have a heart of gold. Mm
hmmm. No, I just on the

1329
01:48:31.680 --> 01:48:35.880
same subject my saying. And I
tell this the people you know, we

1330
01:48:36.039 --> 01:48:40.840
talk about God. Now, I'm
a somewhat religious guy, and I got

1331
01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:44.399
maybe because I'm getting older and looking
for a pass through the gate, you

1332
01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:48.960
know, I I hope. But
you'll tell people don't believe in they say

1333
01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:57.880
I don't believe to stop you listen. I'll take it anyway I can get

1334
01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:01.720
it, Eddie. When I become
a priest, come and talk to Okay,

1335
01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:08.439
you know what, you become a
brother. Back to what I was

1336
01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:12.239
saying, people that say they don't
believe in God, I'm like, all

1337
01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:15.520
right, let me explain something to
you. If you don't believe in God,

1338
01:49:16.039 --> 01:49:19.279
and shit goes wrong in your life. Who do you get angry at

1339
01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:24.159
the tree in the front of your
house, your car? You know,

1340
01:49:24.279 --> 01:49:27.960
your neighbors. I said, you
know, I've had a lot of tragedy

1341
01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:30.800
and and all of us have had
tragedy in our lives. And like Coops,

1342
01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:35.159
you used to say why God?
Why God? Right? But he

1343
01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:40.720
understands that He expects you to do
that. But you have somebody to go

1344
01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:43.880
to. You you want to go
into the church, you want to yell

1345
01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:46.159
and scream at the crucifix. You
can do that. You can do that.

1346
01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:51.319
Maybe that'll help relieve things. But
that's why you have to have some

1347
01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:57.359
kind of belief in whatever God you
believe in. But if you say I

1348
01:49:57.399 --> 01:50:00.800
don't believe in God, well,
when tragedy hits pal, no lost,

1349
01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:04.920
you got no place to go.
Yeah, but who's the first guy?

1350
01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:10.000
Because here's the thing. I got
jammed up while I was on the job,

1351
01:50:10.199 --> 01:50:14.359
right, I got arrested for a
pretty serious thing. Who's the first

1352
01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:21.159
person that you're making deals with?
Bro? Like every time every time I

1353
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:25.640
the other I used to say that, please let me get out of here,

1354
01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:30.600
Please gotta let me. God never
gave us anything that we couldn't handle.

1355
01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:35.479
That's why we're all here because we
were meant Yeah, we were meant

1356
01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:39.760
to do the job right. We
have a job to do, you know,

1357
01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:45.479
and Michael's right, we got to
do that job. Well. I'm

1358
01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:49.680
would say somebody edin Ray just said, we do have a burden that city

1359
01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:57.840
finding. Okay. Uh. We
have a history that's long, tough,

1360
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:04.079
worthy heroic guys, and believe me, guys that I couldn't even kiss their

1361
01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:09.680
ass as far as they're heroics and
their ability to do both the unthink and

1362
01:51:09.800 --> 01:51:14.920
undoable. But at the end of
the day, once again, the eyes

1363
01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:18.079
on this screen go out of their
way, and I want to I want

1364
01:51:18.119 --> 01:51:24.039
to just say this, Ray does
it in his own way. Cheese Man,

1365
01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:29.279
Eddie, Joe, Jimmy with the
fire Riders, me talking about mental

1366
01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:33.600
health here and there. We all
give back in our own way because if

1367
01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:40.159
we don't play it forward, guess
what, it doesn't go anywhere. It

1368
01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:46.920
doesn't go nowhere. So getting Salty
Podcast allows us to vent laugh, laugh

1369
01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:51.319
at ourselves, which I'll tell you, if you can't laugh at yourself,

1370
01:51:53.119 --> 01:52:02.880
you're doomed. Do it every day. Bro kill me but me talking,

1371
01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:12.359
help me, help you for watching
us because again, we lead by humility,

1372
01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:17.960
and that's the key word about fd
M Y. We are very passionate

1373
01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:23.560
with our job, but we have
humility that goes beyond the pale. There

1374
01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:27.840
is that a bragging among us.
Okay, we go out the way,

1375
01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:31.640
Ray, come on, you know
better than that. We will do right,

1376
01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:39.279
okay, And that's what makes different
from every other shop in the world.

1377
01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:43.279
We go out of our way to
get that hand out there to help

1378
01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:47.520
the brother and sister make it through
the day. Well, you know what,

1379
01:52:47.760 --> 01:52:56.720
you know what FDMY stands for Forever
dedicated, never yielding. That's a

1380
01:52:56.760 --> 01:52:59.600
good one that's coming up with these
days. I'm gonna steal a thing you

1381
01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:00.880
started beginning of the show. Put
it on a T shirt, bro,

1382
01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:05.239
that's what you can put down.
I can't use f d n Y on

1383
01:53:05.319 --> 01:53:10.479
a T shirt. I'll get sued. Well, so watched, so watched.

1384
01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:19.520
How much could they get before ed
Oa? Oh god, yeah we

1385
01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:24.600
did that one. Yeah, we
did that one rescue for. But if

1386
01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:26.600
I got, if I got the
time, I got to tell the story,

1387
01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.439
I do it. It was my
first job in rescue for I show

1388
01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:35.439
up a rescue for twenty after eight
Eddy Sirie is covering the Duke's vacation.

1389
01:53:36.159 --> 01:53:45.359
What do you walk away? What
after walks away? Many kidding me?

1390
01:53:49.279 --> 01:54:00.359
I'm so anyway, at twenty minutes
to nine, it's ten seventy five rescue

1391
01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:04.439
get out. So we're getting on
the rig and any Serie hands me the

1392
01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:08.000
rubber band with the floor on it. He goes, put this on your

1393
01:54:08.039 --> 01:54:14.239
helmet, and we're going out to
Jamaica Avenue to a job in a multiple

1394
01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:18.600
dwelling. Halfway there it goes to
a second alarm. We get there and

1395
01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:23.960
Siri tells me and Charlie Pavoni get
to the top four, let me know

1396
01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:27.520
what's going on, and so we
do. And I have no idea what

1397
01:54:27.560 --> 01:54:30.560
I'm doing. I'm an engine man. So we get to the top four

1398
01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:33.399
and we find fire was in the
shaft and it broke out into every apartment.

1399
01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:39.479
So with that now we call for
a line. So the stairways getting

1400
01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:43.119
clogged with guys try to get up
the stairs, and here comes to seventy

1401
01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:47.079
before they were a squad up the
stairs and they can't. They're like halfway

1402
01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:50.159
up the stairs and the stairs of
jam, the hallways jam. So I

1403
01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:54.640
over the railing, I said to
the kid on a nozzle the prov and

1404
01:54:54.760 --> 01:54:58.359
Jimmy, now you know what I'm
talking about. I said, give me

1405
01:54:58.399 --> 01:55:00.840
the nozzle, climb over the rail
and I'll give it back to you.

1406
01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:04.039
He goes, I'm not giving you
a nozzle, all right, I get

1407
01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:06.439
it. I go, look,
kid, if you don't give me the

1408
01:55:06.520 --> 01:55:10.640
nozzle and climb over the rail and
you ain't gonna get the water on fire.

1409
01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:14.039
He goes, I'm not giving you
the nozzle, you know. So

1410
01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:16.000
I a few other words. So
I take the four off and I go,

1411
01:55:16.439 --> 01:55:20.920
you see that tek two days ago
I was in the engine. I'm

1412
01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:25.319
not going to steal your fucking nozzle. Get up here, give me the

1413
01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:28.760
nozzle. And so the officer finally
says to him, give him the nozzle.

1414
01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:31.439
So the kid climbs over and I
hand him the nozzle back, and

1415
01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:33.479
I said, listen, we're gonna
open the door. You're gonna go down

1416
01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.840
the hallway. We got fire in
the bedrooms in the back, okay.

1417
01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:41.119
So I don't look over my shoulder. I just asked him, as I'm

1418
01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:43.479
opening the door, are you ready? And he goes, yeah, I

1419
01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:46.640
opened the door and all the shit
comes out. The nozzle falls on the

1420
01:55:46.720 --> 01:55:49.079
floor, I'm looking at the kid. He won't have his mask on,

1421
01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:53.079
like, all right, get your
mask on, let's go. And he

1422
01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:56.000
did a great job. So at
the end of the job, when the

1423
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.640
job was all over, I searched
him out in the street and I said,

1424
01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:00.439
you know how you doing. You're
doing all right? And he goes,

1425
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:02.520
yeah, go ah, you did
a really good job there. And

1426
01:56:03.279 --> 01:56:06.359
I said, look, you know, we don't steal nozzles here, you

1427
01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:10.600
know. And I said, but
what you learn? He goes, well,

1428
01:56:10.720 --> 01:56:13.600
have my mask on and don't stand
up when you open the door.

1429
01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:15.640
I said yeah, I said,
you got to be down on your knees

1430
01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:19.720
all the time because people waiting to
get rescued aren't leaning against the wall.

1431
01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:23.920
They're on the floor, you know. So he goes, thanks a lot,

1432
01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:26.680
and I leave now with that.
In the middle of the story,

1433
01:56:27.960 --> 01:56:32.640
Milder was on the first floor apartment
and the deputy came in and the deputy

1434
01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:38.439
is kind of chewing out the truck
for missing the body, missing the victim,

1435
01:56:39.640 --> 01:56:43.079
and Mike says to the deputy chief, you want to calm down a

1436
01:56:43.119 --> 01:56:45.560
minute, and he goes, yo, why what? He goes, well,

1437
01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:49.560
just calm down and take two steps
back, and he goes, why

1438
01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:54.000
should I take two steps back?
He goes, you're standing on the body.

1439
01:56:57.199 --> 01:57:04.239
The chief did the door. Now
let's fast forward some thirty five years.

1440
01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:12.840
Jenny Fanil, Greg Fagan from Squad
Won and myself. We're going out

1441
01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:17.319
to California to the Grand National Rose
To Show. And here's a fourth guy

1442
01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:21.039
in the car on the way to
the airport. He's retired from the job.

1443
01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:26.239
His name is Frank and I think
it's Frankie's last name, but Jimmy

1444
01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:30.159
knows him. He's good friends with
him. Yeah, Aliata, Yeah,

1445
01:57:30.319 --> 01:57:32.800
there you go. We're telling stories, fire story, so I tell about

1446
01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:38.479
my first fire and rescue four.
Frank turns around me, he goes,

1447
01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:41.359
you want to know something. I
go what He goes, I was the

1448
01:57:41.399 --> 01:57:46.039
proby. Wow, Wow, thirty
plus years went by. I never saw

1449
01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:50.039
the guy on the job ever.
Again. We're going on vacation together.

1450
01:57:50.239 --> 01:57:55.319
He was that proby and he said, you know what I always remembered about

1451
01:57:55.359 --> 01:57:58.880
that job. I go what.
He goes that you searched me out and

1452
01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:02.279
asked me if I was okay,
he said, And I always did that

1453
01:58:02.479 --> 01:58:06.199
after a job. I searched the
probs out to see if they were okay,

1454
01:58:06.279 --> 01:58:11.359
and asked them if they learned anything. Yeah, so about passing it

1455
01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:15.640
forward? Yeah, you paid it
forward. Bro. It's like Mike Miller

1456
01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:23.880
saying hello to me when Rescue four
and one sixteen a fight. Mike Milder,

1457
01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:30.800
Nice to meet you. Like,
wow, look at this guy.

1458
01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:35.000
His grandfather was Captain Kennedy of Rescue
four. He got the Bennett Medal and

1459
01:58:35.159 --> 01:58:48.359
the Archer Medal. That's a Victoria
Victoria Kennedy remember, yes, yes,

1460
01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:56.239
yeah, yeah, that was outside
Victoria Joe. Wasn't that the call him.

1461
01:58:56.279 --> 01:59:00.920
We call him an outside of something. Guys were taken down that that

1462
01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:04.560
was Kennedy. He uh, I
think he was. He was a captain

1463
01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:11.520
of uh tru uh what you know, the guys on eighty second Street.

1464
01:59:12.720 --> 01:59:21.960
Yeah, Kennedy's remember Howie Kennedy.
Yes, And the firemen were trapped in

1465
01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:28.640
the cellar in uh in the Storia
and they put the portable ladder and he

1466
01:59:28.720 --> 01:59:30.880
climbed down and he stayed down there
with him, and he took the hose

1467
01:59:30.960 --> 01:59:34.960
line with him and he got him
out. I don't you don't remember that?

1468
01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:41.000
Huh? No? That was eighty
six, eighty five, eighty six,

1469
01:59:41.119 --> 01:59:43.920
eighty seven. I don't know,
but I know how he very well.

1470
01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:47.159
Oh Victoria, is he still around
and get him on the show.

1471
01:59:48.479 --> 01:59:51.159
I don't know, I know,
I know, I know him, Kennedy,

1472
01:59:53.079 --> 01:59:56.039
I know how he very well.
He lived in Levittown, I remember,

1473
01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:02.920
I don't know. We passed away
and I'm asking. See what she

1474
02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:14.520
says, Mmm, Gordon Bennetty.
He did a great job. Excellent old

1475
02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:16.840
school tip of the down to ask
Jimmy a little bit about the fire Riders.

1476
02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:20.439
How you got involved with that,
bro? Yes, you know,

1477
02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:25.520
I always wrote, you know,
Michael, I rode my motorcycles at a

1478
02:00:25.560 --> 02:00:30.640
firehouse all the time, and uh, you know, after I retired,

1479
02:00:30.720 --> 02:00:33.840
I was kind of like looking for
some way to be involved, you know,

1480
02:00:35.319 --> 02:00:38.880
and I just hooked up with a
couple of guys and I said,

1481
02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:41.239
you know, come riding with us, join with us, and uh,

1482
02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:45.039
it wound up being a good thing. We have like two hundred members and

1483
02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:47.199
we meet for lunch, like every
Wednesday, we'll meet up state for lunch

1484
02:00:47.279 --> 02:00:51.680
and ride guys get together, or
we'll do like a funeralized school or some

1485
02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:57.720
kind of fundraiser. Still really involved
it, like downtown things like that,

1486
02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:00.199
and uh, it's like the kitchen
ta table all over again. When you

1487
02:01:00.279 --> 02:01:04.319
meet with the guys all over the
country. We go everywhere. You guys

1488
02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:09.680
take donations, good connection, you
know, you guys take donations great,

1489
02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:13.079
Michael tell you you know, like
rescue for I always had a tag time

1490
02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:15.119
going back there, especially when the
widows were there and stuff like that.

1491
02:01:15.720 --> 02:01:18.800
I didn't know what to say to
any of them. You know this here

1492
02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:24.439
it's like more my speed, you
know, and it just worked out for

1493
02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:29.199
me. Cool. Do you guys
take donations, Jimmy, We do a

1494
02:01:29.279 --> 02:01:31.560
raffle every year and most of that
money we give away. We get the

1495
02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:36.760
family transport things like that. You
know. How do guys donate or help

1496
02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:41.319
out the fire Riders. They can
pick a raffle. They go to website.

1497
02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:44.359
You want to buy a raffle.
Buy a raffle? What's the website?

1498
02:01:44.760 --> 02:01:48.319
Just win you could win a twenty
twenty four motorcycle or you can take

1499
02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:53.640
two thousand dollars. What's the raffle? What website? Where is it?

1500
02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:57.479
It's uh, you know in New
York cityfire riders dot com. It's one

1501
02:01:57.560 --> 02:02:00.520
hundred dollars a raffle. We sell
five hundred raffle. But Uh. You

1502
02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:03.359
know, guys, at every meeting
we have we meet once a month for

1503
02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:08.359
a regular meeting, guys raise their
hand, you know, we want to

1504
02:02:08.399 --> 02:02:12.159
donate to the turkey trot that's coming
up. So we get too fifty to

1505
02:02:12.279 --> 02:02:14.920
turkey trot, you know, whatever
it is. Somebody raised their hand,

1506
02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:19.079
we give them the money. Can
a good group, are you guys like

1507
02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:27.279
at ten ninety nine we take donations, Like five organizations don't really take donations.

1508
02:02:27.359 --> 02:02:30.600
We just do the raffle. That's
it, you know, to give

1509
02:02:30.960 --> 02:02:33.920
money away. Fire riders what is
it? Fire Riders New York City,

1510
02:02:34.199 --> 02:02:43.560
n y C. Fire Rights.
I haven't here, Yeah, i'd like

1511
02:02:43.600 --> 02:02:57.960
to were probably people were watching,
uh talking about Howie Kennedy. I just

1512
02:02:58.039 --> 02:03:00.800
want to tell them my like we're
with his wife, Janet Ferryman. I

1513
02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:04.960
don't in case they will be interested
in that, but I know, well

1514
02:03:05.319 --> 02:03:10.199
his daughter is actually in the chat
cap. So yeah, certainly that he

1515
02:03:10.319 --> 02:03:14.119
passed away in twenty fifteen. Yep, yeah, well I know his wife

1516
02:03:14.199 --> 02:03:18.319
when we were teenagers whoa had a
quick little story to how things happen.

1517
02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:21.560
You know, everybody always sees that
three forty three on the clock or at

1518
02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:26.880
nine to eleven. Right, so
we just had Uh, we're big supporters

1519
02:03:26.920 --> 02:03:30.119
of tunnel to towers in the city, so we get rained out this year.

1520
02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:33.319
So a lot of us are older. Now we're not gonna ride motorcycles

1521
02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:38.039
in the rain five o'clock in the
morning to get into Manhattan. So one

1522
02:03:38.079 --> 02:03:42.199
of the guys is tight with the
Family Transport. It says, all right,

1523
02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:45.760
I'll get a van. So Family
Transport drops off a van and we're

1524
02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:50.039
all getting in the van and we
don't even realize it's one of the guys

1525
02:03:50.079 --> 02:03:54.840
that were on on the fire ride
is from Staten Island that passed away.

1526
02:03:54.840 --> 02:04:00.600
It's his van with our sticker on
the side. I don't like we wind

1527
02:04:00.680 --> 02:04:05.079
up with this van that day to
take us towers. Yeah, it was

1528
02:04:05.239 --> 02:04:09.800
like, you know, you know, you know Frank Scilla, Do you

1529
02:04:09.880 --> 02:04:15.439
talk to Frank Scilla? If Frank
you know, he's so big now you

1530
02:04:15.520 --> 02:04:19.199
don't really get to see him all
that show organization kind of thing. I'd

1531
02:04:19.239 --> 02:04:21.119
love to get him on the show
if you can get him, because I

1532
02:04:21.159 --> 02:04:26.399
went to Proby School with his brother, so I would love to get him

1533
02:04:26.399 --> 02:04:32.000
on the show. If anybody knows
him, Yeah, go ahead, I

1534
02:04:32.039 --> 02:04:34.319
get involved for one second. First
of all, I want to tell you

1535
02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:40.319
Jimmy Fanell. I admya Jimmy.
He does a lot of ship. He's

1536
02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:44.640
a great right just great great work. You know, he's you know,

1537
02:04:44.840 --> 02:04:47.720
he's a he's a humble guy like
all of us on the screen. But

1538
02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:51.039
I got to tell you something.
I admya Jimmy and the rest of the

1539
02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:55.359
guys because they they bust their balls. I see him out in the cold

1540
02:04:55.439 --> 02:05:00.159
weather. You know, they go
to places and funerals. I'm not going

1541
02:05:00.239 --> 02:05:04.119
to show up today. And we
all fall into that category occasionally where we

1542
02:05:04.199 --> 02:05:09.880
don't go. They're there. Number
two, I just want to say one

1543
02:05:09.960 --> 02:05:14.319
thing. I want to just give
a shout out to Mary Fayhee, Denise

1544
02:05:14.439 --> 02:05:19.920
Ford and Roselle and Daldell. These
are three widows I only can speak for

1545
02:05:19.960 --> 02:05:26.359
a rescue for that have always gone
out of their way, show up,

1546
02:05:27.600 --> 02:05:32.760
do the right thing. And that's
the other issue with FD and Y and

1547
02:05:32.920 --> 02:05:38.720
all the fight departments in the nation. When you have widows like the three

1548
02:05:38.960 --> 02:05:45.640
I mentioned, Denise, Roselle and
Mary who have lost their husbands, whether

1549
02:05:45.720 --> 02:05:53.079
it's nine eleven or Father's Day,
they are exemplary. If I can use

1550
02:05:53.119 --> 02:06:00.880
that word of what you do.
Absolutely, thank you Ray. These women

1551
02:06:01.359 --> 02:06:04.640
they are more of a man than
I am. Okay, because they go

1552
02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:13.760
out of their way. Thank you
great. I always like the comment they

1553
02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:17.640
go out of their way to do
the right thing, and they don't have

1554
02:06:17.840 --> 02:06:23.079
to. They can just disappear,
and many widows do. But three I

1555
02:06:23.359 --> 02:06:28.159
just brought up, Denise, Mary
and Lose Ellen. They go out of

1556
02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:32.319
their way to make sure me not
only speaking for me right now, I

1557
02:06:32.520 --> 02:06:38.000
feel comfortable, I'm still Mike.
Can I say something, yes, sir,

1558
02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:43.680
go right. I think that those
three guys found great wives and we're

1559
02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:47.319
blessed as we are to happen.
Yeah. I seen these foot all the

1560
02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:50.159
time. She lives in Long Beach. I love home. She's so great,

1561
02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:55.960
comfortable. Kevin Ray and the rest
of you guys, you know,

1562
02:06:56.039 --> 02:07:00.279
and that's not that's a luxury when
you're the survivor, and then in that

1563
02:07:00.600 --> 02:07:06.560
their husbands are dead. So hey, Mike, you're still there's yeah,

1564
02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:10.800
yeah, I got it's got a
question for you on that are any of

1565
02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:16.520
those Do you know of any of
the widows involved in counseling and being counselor

1566
02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:23.359
you know, because I'm just saying
we're talking about counseling, and I'm thinking,

1567
02:07:24.399 --> 02:07:27.239
jeez, I wonder, you know, if there's a place for them,

1568
02:07:27.279 --> 02:07:30.159
if they wanted to be to talk
to maybe guys on the job that

1569
02:07:30.239 --> 02:07:35.039
have survivors guilded and now you're talking
to the widow of a guy who gave

1570
02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:41.800
his life on the job. Maybe
you know, they could have some some

1571
02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:46.039
other way of looking at it different
than we look at Hey, listen,

1572
02:07:46.199 --> 02:07:49.920
Eddie, absolutely, I mean if
it wasn't for my ex wife, and

1573
02:07:49.960 --> 02:07:54.720
I'm not going to go into details
because Kevin's gonna bust my balls about Jews,

1574
02:07:55.000 --> 02:07:59.600
but at the end of the day, you know, well, everybody,

1575
02:08:01.119 --> 02:08:09.079
if you don't have that sufficient that
help you to get you through the

1576
02:08:09.039 --> 02:08:15.159
grind. And you know what,
I think Ed made a good point where,

1577
02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:20.439
uh, that's another thing maybe FD
and Y and other departments can do.

1578
02:08:20.880 --> 02:08:24.720
Get the widows involved, okay,
because they're gonna have to talk to

1579
02:08:24.760 --> 02:08:28.279
the next set of widows that diet
line of duty with their husbands or their

1580
02:08:28.319 --> 02:08:35.319
wives or their significant others. So
I think it's it's important that we include

1581
02:08:35.479 --> 02:08:41.279
everybody playing it forward, whether it's
the kids, you know, lives you

1582
02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:46.279
know, not just talking to the
other widows. But widows talking to firefighters,

1583
02:08:46.680 --> 02:08:50.760
they're having a tough time. Yes, you know, because you get

1584
02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:54.359
a different view, you get a
different view. I think in a perfect

1585
02:08:54.399 --> 02:08:56.720
world that would be great, but
so many women are so devastated by their

1586
02:08:56.840 --> 02:09:01.760
loss that they can't and they help
them. It might help them too,

1587
02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:05.640
are you're right? Well? Right, you know, I think that I

1588
02:09:05.720 --> 02:09:13.000
think that we we we shouldn't accept
any help that they give us a ray,

1589
02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:18.399
find it a way forward, because
it's so devastating to so many of

1590
02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:22.560
them. Yeah, well, we
should let them know that they're invited two

1591
02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:30.359
take part in the counseling of firefighters
or or other widows and stuff. We

1592
02:09:30.399 --> 02:09:35.079
should at least reach out and let
them know that that we you know,

1593
02:09:35.199 --> 02:09:37.880
we want them, we want them, we want them working along with us.

1594
02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:43.439
You know. No, let me
let me just say, you know,

1595
02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:48.479
uh, these the guys that we
talked to, you know, after

1596
02:09:48.760 --> 02:09:54.039
eleven they were all uh certified counselors. If that's such a thing, that

1597
02:09:54.079 --> 02:10:00.399
would probably work in a group setting. But you know they can they could

1598
02:10:00.640 --> 02:10:05.119
offer any counseling advice, per se, they would have to go into like

1599
02:10:05.199 --> 02:10:09.399
a group setting, you know,
where there was a you know, a

1600
02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:18.159
regular psychologist or acts involved. I
would imagine, yeah, yeah, maybe,

1601
02:10:18.439 --> 02:10:22.159
yeah, just just sharing their perspective
could help a lot of people too,

1602
02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:26.720
you know, just yeah, I'm
talking if I'm talking to you,

1603
02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:28.720
or i'm talking to you that well, that's one thing, you know,

1604
02:10:30.399 --> 02:10:33.760
but you know, to be into
if it's I got the counsel you that

1605
02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:39.119
they had, you know, a
whole different situation. You know. You

1606
02:10:39.319 --> 02:10:45.199
remember, we blessed because we have
the climate to help us, and the

1607
02:10:45.279 --> 02:10:52.439
widows don't have anybody the widows.
The widows have a police fire Widows organization

1608
02:10:52.039 --> 02:10:58.079
that's very strong and very charitable.
I haven't heard much from I used to

1609
02:10:58.199 --> 02:11:05.760
deal with them years ago, but
I since i've uh you know, taken

1610
02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:09.560
up a lot on my career and
all that stuff, I haven't been involved

1611
02:11:09.600 --> 02:11:13.319
with them. But they were very
very strong, Uh, and they were

1612
02:11:13.319 --> 02:11:18.640
a great organization. I assume they
still exist, but I'm not sure there

1613
02:11:18.760 --> 02:11:26.960
wasn't Wasn't that mainly for for widows
of firemen who died now the duty?

1614
02:11:28.279 --> 02:11:35.640
Uh? That organization, I'm I'm
sorry, I'm not sure. I'm yeah,

1615
02:11:37.640 --> 02:11:39.680
yeah, weren't they you know,
for like non mine of duty?

1616
02:11:41.079 --> 02:11:46.039
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think it was. I'm not sure.

1617
02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:50.079
I don't remember, but I did
a lot of party travel the work,

1618
02:11:50.600 --> 02:11:52.479
and they were very good. When
I ran a scholarship fund and all

1619
02:11:52.560 --> 02:11:56.600
that stuff. I don't know,
but it been. It's been a long

1620
02:11:56.720 --> 02:12:00.680
time, so I'm not I can't
really speak to it, you know,

1621
02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:03.600
I'm not sure. It's me a
long time. You're only like forty one

1622
02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:07.039
years old or forty two or something. Well, yeah, would I've been

1623
02:12:07.079 --> 02:12:11.840
around a while, you know,
you know on those things like lyne of

1624
02:12:11.880 --> 02:12:16.880
duty. I'll tell you something that
haunted my first wife rest of her soul.

1625
02:12:18.039 --> 02:12:20.079
Joe, you were in my house
the night Tommy got killed. You

1626
02:12:20.239 --> 02:12:24.119
and and Jesse came to my house. Yeah, and we were waiting to

1627
02:12:24.199 --> 02:12:31.079
go over the King's Park and the
helicopter came across. And it was maybe

1628
02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:37.039
twelve thirty or so at night.
No, yeah, and well, anyway,

1629
02:12:37.039 --> 02:12:39.880
I remember Joe said, all right, it's time to go, and

1630
02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:45.079
Marie said, how do you know? And he said, that's the helicopter.

1631
02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:50.159
Bring in the chaplain to tell Tommy's
wife. Well, Evan, when

1632
02:12:50.239 --> 02:12:54.600
that happened, my wife used to
say to me, when you're at work

1633
02:12:54.880 --> 02:13:00.680
and I hear a helicopter, I
get terrified. Oh my god. You

1634
02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:03.399
know every time she heard a helicopter
at night and I was at work,

1635
02:13:03.680 --> 02:13:07.840
she was terrified. Yeah, you
know because of that night, because of

1636
02:13:07.920 --> 02:13:15.560
that night. Yeah, that was
a bad night. Yeah, I remember

1637
02:13:15.640 --> 02:13:18.239
that. You know. It's just
you know, something that I would never

1638
02:13:18.319 --> 02:13:22.880
think of, you know, you
know that's what we do. But you

1639
02:13:22.960 --> 02:13:26.079
know that was her as a civilian
here in a helicopter at night, terrified.

1640
02:13:26.880 --> 02:13:31.079
Yeah, you know, kind of
on like a lighter note, like

1641
02:13:31.359 --> 02:13:41.479
how many guys kids are in four
now right? Yeah? Yeah, we

1642
02:13:41.600 --> 02:13:46.880
got kids all over the job working
with it. Yeah. Yeah, that's

1643
02:13:46.920 --> 02:13:52.039
a great thing, the legacy fireman. I I you know what good came,

1644
02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:56.159
you know, some good comes out
of it. Yeah. New worked

1645
02:13:56.159 --> 02:14:03.880
there about six months ago. We
got Garrett did have Hickey, tons of

1646
02:14:03.960 --> 02:14:11.159
guys with the rest of Citizen two, right, Harry for eight. Yeah,

1647
02:14:11.239 --> 02:14:13.960
he's a big kid, man.
I see him in the gym,

1648
02:14:13.039 --> 02:14:18.159
Harry Ford, the big dude,
toughestiman I have man I ever met,

1649
02:14:18.279 --> 02:14:22.640
Harry Ford. H Yeah, and
some of the best one mins I ever

1650
02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:33.359
heard too. Give the toughest,
the easiest way to do it. You

1651
02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:43.319
know what, Harry Ford stories could
go on all night. I think Harry

1652
02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:50.079
harr used to call these two boys
and jacko yes, and so him and

1653
02:14:50.159 --> 02:14:54.880
Denise they go when they pick up
a brand new Mercury Voyager van and they

1654
02:14:54.960 --> 02:14:58.880
put the kids in the back in
the car seats and they drive down the

1655
02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:03.159
block and Harry pulls over to a
bakery and he goes in and he gets

1656
02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:07.159
two chocolate chip cookies and he comes
out and he gives them to the two

1657
02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:11.520
kids, and Denise says to him, what are you doing? This is

1658
02:15:11.560 --> 02:15:15.920
a brand new car. He goes, we might as well get it over

1659
02:15:16.119 --> 02:15:24.039
quickly. I ahead, Mike,
say you how he falls to get late?

1660
02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:28.239
We got well. I probably said
this already on the show. But

1661
02:15:30.439 --> 02:15:35.680
in the I guess the mid to
late eighties and early nineties on fourth Rescues

1662
02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:43.439
would get a suburban rusted out and
we will transfer stuff over there into the

1663
02:15:43.720 --> 02:15:48.279
suburban. So you had to throw
in six guys and then the tools,

1664
02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:52.039
so it wasn't much room. So
Harry, who's a big union guy,

1665
02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:58.000
wasn't too thrilled about that. So
John Weishet was the lieutenant at the time,

1666
02:15:58.840 --> 02:16:01.479
so he was all, hey,
we took care of it. Rescue.

1667
02:16:01.640 --> 02:16:09.680
We're gonna give you a regular rescue
back up instead of a suburban.

1668
02:16:09.840 --> 02:16:13.840
So why he sent me and Harry, I to this day, I don't

1669
02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:18.439
know. So Harry and I took
the rig after we stripped it to the

1670
02:16:18.640 --> 02:16:24.000
shops. Get the shops, and
the guy pulls out a rusted out old

1671
02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:28.560
suburban. Okay, so what do
we do? Well, Harry had the

1672
02:16:28.680 --> 02:16:35.079
answer, Mike follow me. Now, Harry had caves the size of Clydesdale's.

1673
02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:37.799
I mean, he was as strong
as an ox. That's why you

1674
02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:41.600
call him Harry the Horse. So
we walked back from the shops in Lowland

1675
02:16:41.719 --> 02:16:48.159
City to rescue for the Woodside.
Now that's a fucking hall okay. And

1676
02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:52.280
I had a hard time, and
I worked out all the time to keep

1677
02:16:52.360 --> 02:16:58.760
up with Harry. But we got
back. The door were open stairs,

1678
02:16:58.840 --> 02:17:05.799
Lieutenant White Shike thinking everything is cool. Harry and I walk in. Harry,

1679
02:17:05.879 --> 02:17:11.120
where's the rake? John? You're
lucky I didn't have my wallet because

1680
02:17:11.159 --> 02:17:15.159
if I did, Mike and I
would be at a bar. So that's

1681
02:17:15.280 --> 02:17:20.239
another Harry story. I work with
Harry hand full times. He used to

1682
02:17:20.319 --> 02:17:24.120
tell me all the time like he'd
be sitting there eating ice creamy stuff at

1683
02:17:24.120 --> 02:17:26.280
the table. You want some.
I'm like that. He was cool,

1684
02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:31.639
what you want and die when you're
supposed to, all right, Harry quote?

1685
02:17:31.159 --> 02:17:35.840
Yes, yeah, I think I
said you a good picture Harry and

1686
02:17:35.920 --> 02:17:41.479
a tire shot fire in Jamaica.
Okay that one way? No, you

1687
02:17:41.520 --> 02:17:43.280
just said any I don't know what
you're talking about. It this is what

1688
02:17:43.399 --> 02:17:46.079
I have. Yeah, there was. There's another one there. There's a

1689
02:17:46.200 --> 02:17:50.399
tire shop fire and Harry is in
there. The toughest fireman I've ever met

1690
02:17:50.479 --> 02:17:56.600
my life, the toughest man I've
met my life. Yeah, you have

1691
02:17:56.639 --> 02:18:00.680
another one. Guns you can't.
I'm telling you. If they didn't get

1692
02:18:00.680 --> 02:18:05.520
downloaded, maybe that's what happened because
I downloaded everything. It's a strong possibility

1693
02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:09.120
we got to go to the old
school tip of the day. I think

1694
02:18:09.159 --> 02:18:13.559
I sent all my pictures to your
email me. Yeah, I think they

1695
02:18:13.079 --> 02:18:20.040
sent them to the get in Salt
the experience. So that's maybe we're gonna

1696
02:18:20.079 --> 02:18:24.680
do another show. So without a
doubt, this is like a part do

1697
02:18:24.760 --> 02:18:37.479
another show with these guys. Everybody
except geez, you gotta with a photograph.

1698
02:18:37.559 --> 02:18:43.079
You can't. I don't have them. No, nope, nope,

1699
02:18:46.879 --> 02:18:50.079
all right, the old school.
Who's got an old school tip of the

1700
02:18:50.159 --> 02:18:54.959
day? Does anybody have an old
school tip of the day? You know,

1701
02:18:54.319 --> 02:18:56.520
I told you to get these guys
asked you if they had an old

1702
02:18:56.520 --> 02:19:01.639
school tip of the day? I
did you got. Who's got one?

1703
02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:07.920
First check the gostick ladder before you
climb over the top, and you're gonna

1704
02:19:09.000 --> 02:19:16.479
end up in the backyard. They
got one? Yeah, let me hear

1705
02:19:16.600 --> 02:19:20.239
this. Hold on a minute,
Hold on a minute. Go it's time

1706
02:19:20.399 --> 02:19:31.760
for the rules tips of the day, go ahead. I think an important

1707
02:19:31.799 --> 02:19:35.799
thing, especially now because fire duty
is down, is training. Learn your

1708
02:19:35.840 --> 02:19:39.559
tools. Drill. Uh. If
guys don't want to drill, get out

1709
02:19:39.600 --> 02:19:43.760
there and pull a tool off.
I said, you know, you take

1710
02:19:43.799 --> 02:19:46.319
a Halligan tool. Halligan tool is
not only just for forcing the door.

1711
02:19:46.680 --> 02:19:52.920
Think about how many other things you
can do with that tool, and especially

1712
02:19:54.239 --> 02:19:56.239
the guys in the trucks because that's
where the tools are, you know.

1713
02:19:56.719 --> 02:20:01.879
But I think I think drilling is
very, very important because we don't have

1714
02:20:01.959 --> 02:20:05.319
the fire duty that we used to
have. And uh, and and always

1715
02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:09.840
ask the senior man, excellent,
let's go to Jim. Jim, you

1716
02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:18.000
haven't jumbo slice. Let's every dollar
old school tip of the day, day

1717
02:20:18.159 --> 02:20:20.319
day, take it away. I
just say, listen to senior man,

1718
02:20:20.440 --> 02:20:24.239
listen to what gets told. You
know, shut the fuck up and listen.

1719
02:20:24.799 --> 02:20:28.639
Yeah, you got two hours and
two ears and one mouth for a

1720
02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:35.239
reason. That's right, all right, solid advice. Mike wagging his tongue.

1721
02:20:37.959 --> 02:20:41.079
I'm gonna give it a lot,
a little, a little tripod Mike

1722
02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:45.680
was the first old school tip of
the day on this show. Yes,

1723
02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:50.000
wow, thank you. The first
couple of episodes we didn't have the old

1724
02:20:50.040 --> 02:20:58.440
school tip of the day sound.
But don't get up the rig without the

1725
02:20:58.520 --> 02:21:03.479
camp. I'll leave it at that, all right, Yeah, I got

1726
02:21:03.920 --> 02:21:09.399
We're gonna even even it blows up, you know, in your face,

1727
02:21:09.559 --> 02:21:20.280
take it out of the fire.
Howay, jeez, it's time of the

1728
02:21:20.479 --> 02:21:31.920
day and here cheez, can you
just get over your echo Chambers' school tip

1729
02:21:31.920 --> 02:21:37.079
of the day. Okay, let
it go, all right. When I

1730
02:21:37.200 --> 02:21:41.360
was young, young sir guy showed
me how to how to do some work

1731
02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:46.920
on the electrical motor when I was
in the Navy, And afterwards he said,

1732
02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:52.040
what I just showed you today you
should pass on somebody else. Whether

1733
02:21:52.079 --> 02:21:54.879
you work with him for a day, you know, a week or a

1734
02:21:54.959 --> 02:22:01.399
month. I said, that's how
this tradition continued. And that's the same

1735
02:22:01.440 --> 02:22:05.000
way it is in them. Yeah, you get a djil coming in and

1736
02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:09.239
you're doing a drull, include them
in the drum. Make sure they know

1737
02:22:09.360 --> 02:22:16.600
it. You know, it just
keeps on going. That's it. That's

1738
02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:22.399
what he's saying. We have sponsor
tonight who is actually sponsoring the old school

1739
02:22:22.440 --> 02:22:26.159
tip of the day guns sir,
And you don't have the text do you

1740
02:22:26.239 --> 02:22:28.840
have for that? Because I don't
have it, the text or the whole

1741
02:22:30.000 --> 02:22:33.639
infandel. Actually I can pull it
up after we try to play this why

1742
02:22:33.840 --> 02:22:37.360
and then read it for me in
your best producer's voice. Let me see

1743
02:22:37.399 --> 02:22:58.680
what it's actually here. It's going
to be. I'm trying to pull it

1744
02:22:58.760 --> 02:23:01.159
up. That thing ended quick.
Yes. So this is a club started

1745
02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:07.799
by a guy named who's in Squad
one the collective the Ft Collectors Club at

1746
02:23:07.799 --> 02:23:11.559
the Ft Collectors Club, and it's
all about collecting the what do you call

1747
02:23:11.600 --> 02:23:15.840
it? Coins? It's called the
fire Department patches and challenge coins. The

1748
02:23:16.799 --> 02:23:22.159
Collectors Club works directly with local firehouses
to get unique and exclusive patches and challenge

1749
02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:26.360
coins from how firehouses across the US. No need to risk buying counterfeits coins

1750
02:23:26.399 --> 02:23:31.319
and patches online, and no more
stopping by the firehouses just to find it.

1751
02:23:31.600 --> 02:23:35.440
What they sorry, what they are
out on a call. That's a

1752
02:23:35.440 --> 02:23:37.680
little bit word of that, and
start to grow your collection today. And

1753
02:23:37.799 --> 02:23:41.000
how do you do that? What's
the email? You know what? They

1754
02:23:41.680 --> 02:23:46.399
did not include an email here everyone, I tell you what, there's no

1755
02:23:46.559 --> 02:23:52.559
email here. I mean you can
hit up, you can hit all right,

1756
02:23:52.600 --> 02:23:54.600
here we go. I'm gonna do
this guy right here, I'm gonna

1757
02:23:54.639 --> 02:23:58.200
put this email mister Thomas, who's
guys is a chief? Gonzo is a

1758
02:23:58.280 --> 02:24:05.600
chief? Well it shows yeah,
Well you're as good as your your troops.

1759
02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:11.799
If they don't, you can't go
anywhere. Well I got It's like

1760
02:24:11.959 --> 02:24:16.879
that old black lady said in the
hallway one time, everything was okay to

1761
02:24:18.079 --> 02:24:22.959
the motherfucker in the white helmet showed
up. Somebody turned around and said,

1762
02:24:22.319 --> 02:24:28.280
chief, that would be you.
This is what gods. Go home and

1763
02:24:28.319 --> 02:24:35.760
get your fucking shinebox. Wait,
you dick, both of you. We

1764
02:24:35.840 --> 02:24:39.159
don't have any Yes, that's it. I just put it in the check.

1765
02:24:41.399 --> 02:24:45.280
Yeah, and we got one more. Let's do the old old school

1766
02:24:45.319 --> 02:24:46.479
health and safety tips stand by,
here we go, I have one of

1767
02:24:46.520 --> 02:24:50.079
my own. The First Responders Center
for Excellence is a not for profit organization

1768
02:24:50.239 --> 02:24:56.200
dedicated to protecting their lives and livelihoods
of first responders. Their education and research

1769
02:24:56.280 --> 02:25:01.559
initiatives aim to bring greater awareness and
understanding the challeng just the health, safety

1770
02:25:01.639 --> 02:25:05.520
and well being of firefighters, EMS
personnel, and other first responders too.

1771
02:25:05.040 --> 02:25:11.559
They are an affiliate of the National
Fallen Firefighter Foundations. I'm not going to

1772
02:25:11.639 --> 02:25:16.079
read off the old school health safety
tip. I'm just gonna say one because

1773
02:25:16.079 --> 02:25:18.319
we talked a lot about mental health
tonight, and I'm going to bring up

1774
02:25:18.319 --> 02:25:28.879
a story that I tell back has
to be ninety thirty years ago, maybe

1775
02:25:28.000 --> 02:25:33.159
longer longer than that. Thirty forty
years ago. My father was a retired

1776
02:25:33.200 --> 02:25:37.760
fine and was going in for a
quadruple bypass. And I had never in

1777
02:25:37.840 --> 02:25:39.319
my life heard my father tell me
he loved me. He just wasn't.

1778
02:25:39.719 --> 02:25:45.319
He was old school, like the
old school firehouse mentality. So he's sitting

1779
02:25:45.360 --> 02:25:46.639
there waiting to go in and my
mother's dad and I turned to him,

1780
02:25:46.639 --> 02:25:50.040
I said, hey, dad,
I love you. So what he what

1781
02:25:50.200 --> 02:25:52.959
he does is he looks at my
mother goes, what's the matter with this

1782
02:25:52.079 --> 02:25:58.440
kid? Is he a fag or
something? What's his problem? So that

1783
02:25:58.719 --> 02:26:03.639
old school mentality is just that old
school mentality. They didn't believe in talking

1784
02:26:03.760 --> 02:26:07.200
to somebody. They didn't believe in
anything like that. As far as mental

1785
02:26:07.280 --> 02:26:11.360
health, that's bullshit. That's old
school. That's out the fucking window.

1786
02:26:11.639 --> 02:26:15.040
You need to talk to people,
just for all the ship that we talked

1787
02:26:15.079 --> 02:26:20.719
about tonight, bro little things that
who is that right there there? He

1788
02:26:20.879 --> 02:26:24.200
is? Yeah, little things that
you need to put in a place somewhere

1789
02:26:24.399 --> 02:26:28.879
or file somewhere, like the like
the captain was talking about. You know,

1790
02:26:28.920 --> 02:26:31.040
he remembered those those couple of kids
sitting in the backseat. You gotta

1791
02:26:31.040 --> 02:26:35.120
be able to put those someplace and
be okay with yourself. So I don't

1792
02:26:35.120 --> 02:26:37.680
want to hear that old school that
you're too cool, you're too tough for

1793
02:26:37.719 --> 02:26:41.959
your whatever. It's to seek out
uh any kind of mental health. So

1794
02:26:43.239 --> 02:26:46.719
get out there and talk to somebody. And that's my old school health and

1795
02:26:46.760 --> 02:26:52.399
safety tip. True story. All
right, guys, thanks for coming on.

1796
02:26:52.639 --> 02:27:00.520
Great show. Got Bob cheez Man
being the surprise guy, Jimmy anytime

1797
02:27:00.920 --> 02:27:05.600
so you guys, are you working
on? John game He's you know,

1798
02:27:05.799 --> 02:27:13.639
get John g get Richie. We
need we need those too, John Gee,

1799
02:27:15.959 --> 02:27:20.600
there he is, Richie. Smid's
still working. Thanks inviting me back.

1800
02:27:20.879 --> 02:27:24.680
Look, Johnny Gamee just just texted
me great tip. I got another

1801
02:27:24.719 --> 02:27:26.879
great tip, John Gay, I
love you. Get your ass on the

1802
02:27:26.959 --> 02:27:33.559
show. Come on alright, So
I'm gonna work on. Uh, we

1803
02:27:33.639 --> 02:27:35.120
don't have a guest for Monday.
I'm gonna fill in the blanks. Louis

1804
02:27:35.239 --> 02:27:39.200
away hunting. I don't know if
he's gonna get on. I doubt it.

1805
02:27:39.280 --> 02:27:43.440
So we'll probably have my man Fat
Daddy racing and we make a suggestion

1806
02:27:43.239 --> 02:27:50.000
you can yeah, not Milman.
I thought he was gonna take a shot

1807
02:27:50.040 --> 02:27:54.399
at me. You know you said
that, and he wasn't funny funny as

1808
02:27:54.799 --> 02:28:00.479
Bro, I don't know what you're
talking about. Mila kills me, you

1809
02:28:00.559 --> 02:28:11.520
know what, John, that's why
you don't watch them ahead, Jeez,

1810
02:28:11.559 --> 02:28:16.280
what you're gonna say? You know
what John Gain used to call driving me,

1811
02:28:16.680 --> 02:28:22.600
but driving miss Daisy. You can
tell all those stories if he comes

1812
02:28:22.639 --> 02:28:24.840
on the show. Bro, you
want to find the level. That's a

1813
02:28:26.000 --> 02:28:30.200
good one. More thing, guys, if you're gonna order on the website.

1814
02:28:30.280 --> 02:28:33.920
You want things personalized for Christmas,
get out there early and do it

1815
02:28:33.959 --> 02:28:37.520
because I'm not changing myself to the
gravy table for like eight hours a day

1816
02:28:37.959 --> 02:28:41.120
and I'm not gonna get you call
me the week before Christmas and you think

1817
02:28:41.159 --> 02:28:43.559
I can get that before Christmas.
Fuck? You know you're not getting before

1818
02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:50.000
Christmas. So order early that or
they Saved New York will also uh yes,

1819
02:28:50.120 --> 02:28:54.440
but before that. It will also
be available on the Getting Salty Apparel

1820
02:28:54.559 --> 02:28:58.360
website. If you want to buy
that book on the website, we will

1821
02:28:58.399 --> 02:29:00.520
be carrying it. And if you
want to come out and see us,

1822
02:29:00.600 --> 02:29:07.680
we will be out there. And
where is it Saturday? Me and Mike

1823
02:29:07.799 --> 02:29:11.559
Milder will be hanging out there chilling, and a whole bunch of other guys

1824
02:29:11.600 --> 02:29:18.000
will come out and see us.
Yep, excellent, just one question.

1825
02:29:18.680 --> 02:29:24.520
Yeah, give me change. I'm
mister T bro Halloween costume. Mister mister

1826
02:29:24.639 --> 02:29:28.079
T. Come on, I'm gonna
beat up the food. You know,

1827
02:29:28.120 --> 02:29:35.639
my kids didn't even know what hey
boys hold on like mister T. Like

1828
02:29:35.680 --> 02:29:39.600
who's mister T? Like what you
know? Mister T is? What cools?

1829
02:29:39.639 --> 02:29:43.079
You know? That T shirt we
talked about there forever dedicated, never

1830
02:29:43.200 --> 02:29:48.239
yielding. Yeah, the job can't
sue you because it doesn't say f D

1831
02:29:48.399 --> 02:29:50.639
M Y. It says forever dedicated, never yielding. I might use that.

1832
02:29:50.719 --> 02:29:54.399
What do I gotta give you?
Don't give me? Not come on,

1833
02:29:54.639 --> 02:29:58.000
give you something, Get out of
here, send it to the towers.

1834
02:29:58.159 --> 02:30:01.719
The other I want to get him
on. Anybody who knows Frank trying

1835
02:30:01.760 --> 02:30:03.719
to get I want to get him
on the show so we get the Oh.

1836
02:30:05.000 --> 02:30:09.120
Also, one last thing. I
am real close to getting Greg,

1837
02:30:09.360 --> 02:30:13.879
the guy who wrote back Draft on
the show. Oh, really close.

1838
02:30:13.079 --> 02:30:18.559
We could talk to him about what
the experience was like right now and all

1839
02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:24.000
the other ship. Yeah, yeah, I can tell you one thing.

1840
02:30:24.559 --> 02:30:33.159
It's gonna have an announcement probably within
a month. Ed. I'm having a

1841
02:30:33.200 --> 02:30:39.840
baby. He's coming out of the
closet, all right, all right,

1842
02:30:41.000 --> 02:30:48.440
okay, America, Yeah, we're
I'm working on I'm working on a project

1843
02:30:50.239 --> 02:30:56.120
for Chief. Now you maybe forget
his name. Chief. He's working on

1844
02:30:56.200 --> 02:31:07.360
the project for It was Michael's.
You really couldn't put it together, Bill,

1845
02:31:07.239 --> 02:31:11.079
thank you? Okay. Bill.
Now working on a project with the

1846
02:31:11.120 --> 02:31:18.280
Fihan family to make a life size
bronze statue of Chief Bill Fihan, and

1847
02:31:18.440 --> 02:31:24.280
we're hoping to get that done within
the next year and that it'll be out

1848
02:31:26.280 --> 02:31:31.360
with the jobs permission, out of
the Fire Academy, because I always thought

1849
02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:37.120
everybody knew him. He was like
the godfather of the fire department and a

1850
02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:43.639
total gentleman all the time, and
I just thought it was an honor that

1851
02:31:43.959 --> 02:31:48.360
that should have been bestowed on him, since he was also the oldest member

1852
02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:54.079
of the fire department who was killed
on nine to eleven. Statue definitely a

1853
02:31:54.159 --> 02:31:58.959
great man. So we'll get that
done. We were having our first meeting,

1854
02:32:00.360 --> 02:32:03.520
I think in a couple of weeks
and uh, you know, so

1855
02:32:03.600 --> 02:32:05.239
there'll be more to come, you
know. I'll let you know, Koobs,

1856
02:32:05.639 --> 02:32:09.959
you can bring it up here.
But I think it's a great honor

1857
02:32:09.079 --> 02:32:13.760
to do to to Bill fee Hen, you know, because he just he

1858
02:32:13.159 --> 02:32:18.559
meant so much to this job,
you know, and he came on a

1859
02:32:18.680 --> 02:32:22.639
job as a prob and went on
to be the fire commissioner, you know,

1860
02:32:22.840 --> 02:32:24.719
and and uh, but he always
wanted to be called chief. He

1861
02:32:24.719 --> 02:32:30.840
always liked being called chief. And
the reason why he liked to be cold

1862
02:32:30.920 --> 02:32:35.520
chief because he because he earned those
titles. He said, you know,

1863
02:32:35.799 --> 02:32:39.479
I was appointed commissioner, but I
earned the that's cool. I went to

1864
02:32:39.520 --> 02:32:43.079
school with Johnny fee Hint to Provy
school, so that's cool. Yeah,

1865
02:32:43.120 --> 02:32:46.120
he's a chief on a job.
I know we'll get him when he's retireed.

1866
02:32:46.520 --> 02:32:50.200
Also, a captain said Zone.
So so the girl in the chat

1867
02:32:50.319 --> 02:32:54.840
said that Janet is still alive.
She lives in Where does she live?

1868
02:32:54.639 --> 02:32:56.920
Oh, I just said I put
up there the hello for him, but

1869
02:32:58.280 --> 02:33:00.200
let me go back to it.
And she also says, so, well,

1870
02:33:00.799 --> 02:33:05.040
that's Kennedy. That's pretty good.
That's nice. I want to let

1871
02:33:05.079 --> 02:33:16.000
you know that's really nice. Ain't
doing it knowing Joe sing Johnet single,

1872
02:33:16.079 --> 02:33:22.680
Oh you never know what's going on? For help? Thank you, guys,

1873
02:33:22.840 --> 02:33:30.479
enjoyed this thoroughly great guys, Thank
you guys. Don't don't you guys

1874
02:33:30.520 --> 02:33:35.280
hang up? Don't hang everybody,
Yes, don't I hang up, guys

1875
02:33:35.879 --> 02:33:39.239
healthy, I'm gonna do the post
show again, so don't don't go anyway.

1876
02:33:39.920 --> 02:33:45.159
Guys, will see you on Monday
until the stay low and go alrightyone

1877
02:33:45.200 --> 02:33:46.959
to have a good night and