WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:07.519 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:13.519 fourteen to fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure your most Prized Possessions, 3 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:19.160 katz R two SAD and iHeartRadio Station. Yet very good afternoon, everybody. 4 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.440 Welcome to I on the Ball Hero Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, 5 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.120 He's jagan Zaus got our guy Kevin in the house today for the first 6 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:30.679 fifteen minutes. Who will just have open lines if you want to give us 7 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:34.320 a call. A lot of things going on, obviously, big game tomorrow. 8 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:38.119 Tommy Lloyd was talking to the media today. Yeah, missed it. 9 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.960 Couldn't get over there today, had stuff to do. It was funny because 10 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.039 I was gonna go and I didn't have a chance to get there because I 11 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.119 was at my other place. He talked about a home court advantage, and 12 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.399 I thought it was a good question. I was gonna ask him similarly similar 13 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:55.880 But this year, specifically, all over the country, it's very very hard 14 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:00.280 to win on the road. It has it's been for whatever reason, Arizona 15 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.560 has fallen victim into that. I would not be surprised Jay if they if 16 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.599 they split this weekend. If you would have told me this two months ago, 17 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:08.120 I'd say, no, what are you talking about. We're thinking, 18 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.560 we're thinking, remember we were thinking they can win all their games. Possibly, 19 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:15.359 Well you can't. You can't. You know the funny thing about it, 20 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.560 Jay and I don't. Back in the day, Arizona was not Arizona 21 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.760 yet when you covered them in eighty eight, they were just becoming. They're 22 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.120 becoming Arizona. But they were damn good. They were damn good. Lost 23 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:30.760 one right on the road. Obviously when I covered up. The toughest places 24 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.120 to play were the places like this year when they have two people in the 25 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:38.159 gym. Yeah, they never got when they never got up for these games. 26 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.280 Well at that time though, when they were becoming that particularly I'm talking 27 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:47.159 about the eighty eight season, every the arena was full, every yeah, 28 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:52.239 because every time they showed up, they showed themselves a lot away. Yeah, 29 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.599 even at even at Washington State. Uh. The the second year that 30 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.560 I covered them, it was the final four year. You know, they 31 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:05.079 it wasn't sold out, but you know, basically Cosseum is huge. It's 32 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.280 too big for that place. There aren't fifteen thousand people in Pullman. They 33 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:13.639 had the arena's fifteen thousand people. That's I was joking, but uh, 34 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:19.800 you know, every you know, every arena was jammed. It was it 35 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.479 was sold out. All their games were all their road games were sold out, 36 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.080 and and the fans were you know, were nuts. But you know 37 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.360 there are times and there are you know, like that, that COVID season 38 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.479 had to be really hard. Yeah right, you remember that. But no, 39 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.479 I agree with you, Steve. You know they when when when there's 40 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.599 no field, no atmosphere. I mean, people talk about home court advantage 41 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.840 and how tough it is to be on the road, but it's tougher to 42 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.039 be on the road and not have anybody care. That's and that's it. 43 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.639 That's it. I remember going to Oregon State to watch the games and they 44 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.840 would lose that game, play out of their mind against Oregon because it was 45 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:54.919 a game, you know right, it was a game. Uh look, 46 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.759 Duke, how tough is to play State at How tough of the place is 47 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:01.759 it there? And they show up, they show up, They go to 48 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:06.759 Stanford, few people in the gym. They stink it up. Washington State 49 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:08.560 some pretty as we'll find it out. Now, Washington is better than what 50 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:13.039 we thought. They would be, but the stadium was not full or the 51 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.039 Ferna was not full or close to it. Yeah, but you know when 52 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.840 the when when Arizona goes to Colorado and Utah, I mean, that's an 53 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.919 event over there. Yeah, so that'll be those places. So that right, 54 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.800 So it's it's tough. I mean, you know, again, people 55 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:28.479 talk about how hard it is to play in front of these crowds, but 56 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.560 it's hard to play in front of no crowd. Oh very much so, 57 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:35.919 yeah, very much so. I remember the Miami of Ohio game, first 58 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.039 game with the n C Double A Tournament, ten o'clock game, eleven o'clock 59 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.159 game. Nobody in the gym, nobody really Arizona guy beat in the first 60 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.240 round. And one of those first round games. You think, what the 61 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.319 hell? Yeah, I hear you, I hear you, and and uh 62 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:53.520 it's uh, you know, that's why, you know, in Arizona seems 63 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.439 to play well in those situations, right, they go to those venues. 64 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.199 I mean, they went to Duke and they you know, and I mean 65 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.560 that's probably going to be the hardest place that they will play this year. 66 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.000 Is for you know what, their second game of the year, and they 67 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.639 went in there and won that game, arguably playing the best game that they've 68 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.919 played this year. Probably, yeah, it's certainly in the probably in the 69 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.519 discussion Alabama, Alabama, they played so well that you did, you know 70 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:23.360 whatever on a neutral court. But that's just kind of like the human human 71 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.519 mind, you play tricks on you, yeah, because you play out of 72 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.399 your mind, right when you have a big crowd, and everyone notorious for 73 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.079 that. You just go back through those years and you play out of your 74 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.959 mind. So that was just the thought. And here they are. Yeah, 75 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:43.079 but this is a big weekend for them. You know, they can't 76 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.879 fall on their face and go do something dumb at Oregon State. They got 77 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:47.279 to go take care of business there and set themselves up for a big game 78 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.879 with Oregon. And again, who thought that these were going to be big 79 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.879 games? We didn't that the way they were playing going into the conference season, 80 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:58.000 we thought, you know, nineteen and one, twenty and oh you 81 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.399 know, and how stupid was that? And to your point, j I 82 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.279 was looking at the eight people. Just like the teams above us. There 83 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:09.720 are only two teams between us and number one that are undefeated in the conference, 84 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.480 though those teams are Yukona eight and Oh in Auburn at five, and 85 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.120 oh in Auburn, who thought? Who thought Auburn was gonna be? And 86 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.920 even Yukon at number one has a conference loss, Perdue has two and yeah, 87 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.720 so it's just been tough going in these conferences. Yeah, a lot, 88 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.759 a lot of parody this year, it seems. Sure. Yeah, 89 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:28.279 they talk about that all the time. But even at number eight. Let 90 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.079 me let me ask you your eye tests, your eye tests, both of 91 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:35.600 your guests. Are they the number eight team in the country. I think 92 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.399 they. I think they are, but they're just not playing like it right 93 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.879 now. Okay, Okay, that's a good answer. But I think the 94 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.399 way they're playing right now isn't really who they are. I think they're kind 95 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:47.079 of in a in a little bit of a ditch and trying to figure out 96 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.959 how to get out. So if you could vote, well, here's the 97 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:53.639 problem. You haven't seen the other guys too. So they're kind of eight 98 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.560 by default. They're kind of made by they got to number one by default. 99 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:58.279 Do I think they're a top ten team? Yes? I do. 100 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.839 Okay, are they Okay? So I think they're a top five team. 101 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.120 That's I don't know. Well, they're not playing like they're not playing like 102 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.279 it, and they're not playing like the top ten team, And that's kind 103 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.560 of what I was asking. You know, they're not playing like that, 104 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:13.120 but I think they ultimately are that because I think they've got the guys to 105 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.920 be that. So so the narrative Nation State, let me say, let 106 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.720 me say this. I'm sorry. I think they're I think they're a number 107 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.560 one seed, but I don't know if they're gonna get one of those years 108 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:25.519 because of the way they're playing. And they've been playing like this for a 109 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.079 stretch. It's not it's not been a one offer. It's been a stretch 110 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.800 now well that they're playing like go to the athletic because you read that all 111 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:36.680 the flip and you guys read all this stuff. The national narrative on Arizona 112 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:41.639 is not that because they've seen them play out of their mind, right, 113 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.160 but they haven't seen them played out of the right. They didn't see him 114 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.720 lose to Washington State. They saw him beat Alabama, and they saw him 115 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.600 beat Duke, and they saw him beat Michigan State. So wat I've seen 116 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:54.160 what I've seen. What I need to say. If you read this the 117 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.279 narrative, it's like these guys are great. They're not. You know, 118 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.879 they're better than last year. They're better defensively, they can numbers that grow 119 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.079 whatever, those none of them. And then but this is guys, you 120 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:08.279 haven't seen this team lately and they just wrote the story yesterday. Yeah no, 121 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.920 I I yeah, I'm hearing yeah, I uh, but you know, 122 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.199 Steve, I mean it's you know, what do you say about Kansas? 123 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.040 What do you say about anybody? Saying all the same things every there, 124 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:24.720 And that's what I'm saying. They say these teams they're losing a game, 125 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:30.319 and people think it's that's who they are now because they've lost this game, 126 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.000 they must not be very as good as we thought they were. Well, 127 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.199 you're gonna lose games. Yeah, I'm suting with the guys on Twitter 128 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.839 or Facebook. But but it's kind of like a misnomer. They're not. 129 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.319 They're not the team that people think they are. But they're not that bad 130 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.360 either. Right. Well, again, they were so impressive and you know 131 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.759 in the in the non conference season that you thought all things were possible. 132 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:55.680 And then and then then there's the added uh impression that everybody has of the 133 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.399 of the PAC twelve that the packed tall is not any good. Well, 134 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.560 maybe it's better than people think, you know, I mean the other day 135 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:03.360 when I told you that, somebody said it's a five, it's a it's 136 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.560 a five. Uh that they could get five teams in the tournament? He 137 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.959 thought, what the hell? Yeah, you know, how do you think 138 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.639 now? Three or four? Three three four? Maybe name then Arizona, 139 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:24.160 Oregon, Washington State, maybe Washington State. I don't know what Stanford has 140 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.040 done recently. I know they got beat recently. You know, Utah, 141 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.199 how good is you know, is your tiny good? I don't know. 142 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.960 I mean, you know, two a week after you talk, got got 143 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:35.080 its face kicked in over here. They beat UCLA by fifty and then u 144 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.440 c LA went up to a s U and one. You know when they 145 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.399 you know, I mean, is a SU a tournament team? You know, 146 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.879 they didn't look like it at the start, but they certainly looked like 147 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:48.799 looked like that recently until they lost last Thursday to you to u c l 148 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.080 A. Yeah, who had been playing horribly. Yeah, it's crazy, 149 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.320 it's crazy, but it's a fun time because it's the best time. You 150 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.120 don't know what's gonna happen. Who would have thought, uh, if a 151 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.720 U gets to the final four. San Diego State gets out of four wins 152 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.679 it all. That's why college college basket the Yukon did not. You know, 153 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.360 I was at the regional that that Yukon went. You know, I 154 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:13.080 worked the West Regional last year that Yukon won. Yukon didn't look like a 155 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.960 national championship team to me until they won the regional and I thought, holy 156 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.200 hell, I think these guys are gonna win it. And then they did 157 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:26.159 because they looked they were mean. They were really mean, really mean physical 158 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.559 team. Okay, and that's Arizona's not that team. They can they have 159 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.960 that. I've covered how many teams, and they've always had it in them, 160 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.960 but they never But but let me say this, they're better than they've 161 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:41.879 been in that category. See, I thought that I thought they were that 162 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.960 against Duke. I thought they were that against against uh Michigan State. I 163 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.440 thought they were that against Alabama play. And actually, where where they've lost 164 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.919 their games has not been because they haven't been physical inside, because they haven't 165 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.759 guarded the outside. All the games they they got beat from outside, not 166 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:07.399 not from a being overmatched you know under the basket or or you know being 167 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.600 you know physical. In fact, they got they they got finesse, they 168 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.039 got out finessed in those games. You know, Stanford, Washington, State 169 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.840 of Florida, Atlantic, their guards beat them, their guards beat Arizona, 170 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:24.639 and so you know, uh, I think they are I think they I 171 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.360 think they're let me put, I think they are better built for the NCAA 172 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.759 tournament certainly than they than they have been up to. Now that's not that's 173 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:37.120 not a question. That's you're accurate as well. But now that you've had 174 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.960 fifteen sixteen games whatever games that are seventeen games, are they as physical as 175 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.159 you thought they would be given what you saw in the past. And because 176 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.960 because guess what, Johnson isn't that guy anymore. He hasn't been that guy. 177 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.879 He's kind of regressed a little bit. Well, he's he's he's had 178 00:10:54.279 --> 00:11:00.559 less less of an impact on games more recently. Right in fact, everybody 179 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.039 has. Yeah, but yeah, I mean you know, yeah, to 180 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.159 his credit, yeah, everybody has. Yeah. So no, you know, 181 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:15.200 it's it feels like it feels like they kind of backed up a little 182 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.399 bit when the when the PAC twelve season started, and now they're kind of 183 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.360 working their way back. And I think a big step there was not losing 184 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.440 the UCLA game on set right. Well, that that there was a big 185 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:31.159 step that they took. Within the game they were playing. They played terrible 186 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.559 in the first half, played not so great early. I mean they came 187 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.720 out awful to start the second half, right, fell by seventeen again. 188 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.600 Yeah, and then all of a sudden they just you know, it's like 189 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:46.200 it's like a load got lifted off and somebody said something and said, oh, 190 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.360 I get it, and then they went off. Well, the UCLA 191 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.240 had something to do with that. They collapsed, they did, But why 192 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.120 did they collapse? Both? Did they collapse? Because there I want you 193 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.759 to hold that thought because next time something happens, I'm asking you that reason 194 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.840 was that they did they win the game or did the other team lose the 195 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.720 game? Right? But but you know, and and look, the Arizona 196 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.879 got so physical with them that Mick Cronin lost his mind and blamed the game 197 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.080 on the refs. So Arizona, all of a sudden, Arizona went back 198 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.639 to being the physical team and needed to be and did that to be U 199 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.039 c l A. Now you say, look, they're not a few. 200 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.399 I mean I told you you remember I texted you right before the airport, 201 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:24.960 this is not a good airport team. They do not look like they've got 202 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.600 good players. And I'm talking about just what you see in the layup line 203 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.240 and warm up and stuff like that. When you texted me that, were 204 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.320 you on that text to the airport if we saw you coming from the airport, 205 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.480 Are you an airport guy? No, I'm a terrible airport. A 206 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:54.879 terrible airport does open yourself up to being very self aware. I'm a I'm 207 00:12:50.000 --> 00:13:00.960 a Greyhound team airport. And they look good in the half when you said 208 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.600 that, and they were killing them and they were killing them. Yeah, 209 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.519 you know, well that because I replied, well this airport, not airport 210 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.240 team looks pretty. They look pretty, and they did look dang good. 211 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.879 So it was that that was funny. All right, Okay, today we've 212 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.200 got Michael Lev's coming on. He did a column today on on Dave Heikey 213 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.919 and just kind of sort of you know, he keeps his thoughts sort of 214 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.159 an old school guy versus what, you know, the kind of and he 215 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:31.960 had Mike, Michael had some really good thoughts on what this next athletic director 216 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.879 needs to be. And I thought that was really interesting stuff, So we'll 217 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.559 talk to Michael Lev about that, and then you're gonna leave us for the 218 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.519 second hour. Yes, you're gonna go play in the sandbox with your other 219 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:48.000 uh long time old farts sports writer guys and do some n cua A tournament 220 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.000 stuff. So it'll be just Kevin and I and the second half we're gonna 221 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:54.279 have John Pearlman on f C two so on. 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Michael, how you doing? 300 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.319 I'm doing all right, gentlemen, How are you fine? Thank you? 301 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:49.519 Have you cut your breath from all the week's worth of craziness? Really, 302 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:56.519 and I'm not really expecting to anytime soon. We got baseball and softball 303 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:02.440 right around the corner and kiss the season all good? So how stunned. 304 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:08.759 Were you Monday afternoon, nine minutes till five when that email came across. 305 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:14.559 Did you have any inkling that something like this was in the offing? Well, 306 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.839 a little inside baseball for you. I wasn't stunned at all, because 307 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:22.440 I had heard about it about an hour earlier. The problem was that I 308 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.960 couldn't get a second source on the record in time to break the stories. 309 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:33.160 So it was a little upsetting just from a you know, personal professional standpoint. 310 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.920 I'm more so upsetting because I really liked Dave Heike, and I feel 311 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:42.400 like he got a raw deal to a certain degree. It feels like a 312 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:47.799 little bit escapegoating going on here. We'll see what that you know, financial 313 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:53.200 report looks like. That's supposedly coming out tomorrow morning. I've heard kind of 314 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:57.240 mixed things about that. How big of a deal that is. But you 315 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:02.799 know that that probably won't reflect well on the athletic department, and he was 316 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:04.559 in charge of that. But I kind of go back to, well, 317 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:07.680 you know, who's in charge of the whole school, you know, and 318 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:15.640 that particular person seems to be escaping any sort of major consequences so so far. 319 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:17.880 Yeah, we'll just leave that one at that right. No, No, 320 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.279 that's the first thing I thought, if you're going to get rid of 321 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.680 Hike, how could you not get rid of the president? And I thinking 322 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.680 maybe, uh, in time, that's likely to happen. Uh, you 323 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.920 know, in our days. I'm sure you've already done this with Michael. 324 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:37.599 Uh you've already pre wrote that story just in case. Well, that one's 325 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:42.119 kind of above my pay grade. That's the whole Uh yeah, that's a 326 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:47.000 new story. Yeah, story, that's the whole university. You know, 327 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:52.319 that's not just that's just not sports, but it obviously impacts sports in a 328 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:59.400 major way because this particular president was very involved in athletics. Yes, really, 329 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.519 the only person who's above the athletic director at the university is the president. 330 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:07.599 And we have no idea how the next president, whoever that is, 331 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:14.880 whenever that happens, how that person will feel about athletics. Yeah. Yeah, 332 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.519 And and well, I mean you'll you'll have to you'll have to vet 333 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:19.359 that, You'll have to find that out because that's such an important part of 334 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:25.119 who universities are. So you had some interesting stuff in this column this morning. 335 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:29.880 It's in the Arizon Daily Star, talking about the A D job that 336 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:36.640 or the type of a d that Dave Hickey is and has been and continues 337 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:40.960 to be versus what you think is needed going forward. It's got to be 338 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.599 more of a have more of a business maybe even a business background, but 339 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.640 you know, more of a CFO type is what is what you said, 340 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.920 Explain to me what you know your thoughts on on those two things. Yeah, 341 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.279 I've been hearing for a while now that you know, the way we 342 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:04.000 think about college athletics has changed. The whole business has changed, and it 343 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:11.759 has become more of a business. It's like running a little corporation unto itself. 344 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:18.880 So you have to bring in somebody who's got some experience with raising money 345 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:25.279 and managing money, you know, on a pretty high level. You know, 346 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:30.119 our colleague John Wilner, who writes the great Tach twelve hotline column. 347 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.319 I think it's just going to be called the Wilner Hotline once the conference is 348 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:38.160 no longer here in a few months. But he does great work. He 349 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:45.279 released a list of six candidates and they're all sitting athletic directors. I'm not 350 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.599 totally sure that that is the direction that they're going to go. You know, 351 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:55.519 if you want to truly kind of reimagine and restructure what an athletic department 352 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:56.920 looks like. Maybe you have to go a little bit outside the box, 353 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.960 you know, and hire somebody who's maybe more from the corporate world to do 354 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.799 that, and then you know you have someone underneath you who kind of is 355 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:08.799 more deals with the coaches, deals with the athletes, etc. If you 356 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.160 go the other way and you hire someone who's maybe more traditional, I think 357 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:18.400 that person needs to bring in a CFO type, a money manager type, 358 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:23.079 who can kind of bring the athletic department into the twenty first century. A 359 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:27.640 statement that I'm making in the year twenty twenty four, which seems like it's 360 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:33.279 a little too little, too late. But they don't have a choice because 361 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:38.759 I know for a fact that the athletic department has been running deficit and that 362 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:44.200 has not really changed or improved over the last few years. And whoever comes 363 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:47.720 in is going to have to figure out a way to dig out of that 364 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:52.480 hole. So I read your story. I liked it. I think you 365 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:56.079 did some good observations. Good guy, good guy. You know, I 366 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.240 know you grade the team. You did when you covered the team. How 367 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.240 would you have graded Dave's overall performance in a great because I know you talked 368 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.680 about the good and the bad. Oh gosh, what a good question. 369 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:15.519 I would say, like a be somewhere in there he gets dinged significantly for 370 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:22.599 the Kevin Sumlin higher in situation. I don't think that was entirely his call, 371 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.960 you know, to to hire coach someone, and that's a that's a 372 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.960 group decision. There's others involved in that, but that's on your resume, 373 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.079 and that's a pretty that's a pretty bad one. They they swung and missed 374 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:38.559 with that particular hire. On the flip side, Uh, jed Fish was 375 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.960 a good hire in a vacuum, right right. I know he left after 376 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:49.960 three years directed uh the entire program in the process, you know, so 377 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:52.400 that was a really big deal and a good hire. I think Brent Brennan 378 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.200 is going to prove to be a good higher. I'm a fan of Chip 379 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.440 Hail. I know not everybody is. I think he's gonna do really good 380 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.960 job here with you of a baseball Caitlin Lowe, I think the jury is 381 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.440 still out on that one. I think going to the Big twelve will help. 382 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.920 I think you also have to grate on a curve a little bit because 383 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:18.279 of all of the stuff using a politically correct term there that Dave inherited when 384 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:22.240 he took over the job. No, the Ie investigation and all these sort 385 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:29.720 of off field issues with Orlando Bradford and Craig Carter, and that was a 386 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:33.559 big mess that he had to come and clean up, you know. And 387 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.799 he's taken a lot of heat along the way, and he was okay with 388 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:41.720 that. You know. It's kind of like kind of like sometimes how Roger 389 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.559 Goodell takes the heat for the for the owners in the NFL. He was 390 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.839 willing to do that, willing to do that to the very end. He 391 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.680 was very loyal in that regard. He was a very good soldier in that 392 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.559 regard. And I respect them for those reasons. No, I get you've 393 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.000 got b B plus. I agree with you. It's like firing your Milwaukee 394 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.640 he Bucks coach. Shepter second best record in the league. What the hell? 395 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.920 What how did this happen? But you know you talked about the president 396 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.799 and I think we all know that did did you did you think he? 397 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:18.079 Again? I don't. I don't know how much he could handle the Sean 398 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.720 Miller, you know, the the investigation of all that, I mean that 399 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.000 was kind of like just a thing that was hanging on to him. I 400 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.759 mean, there wasn't a whole lot he could do one way or another other 401 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.240 than said, you know, weight around and stuff, right, I mean, 402 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:32.680 and the President said, over my dead body. Yeah. So I 403 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.839 mean, uh, you talk about how he handled it, but I don't 404 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:44.720 know that he could have been handled any differently than the way it was or 405 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.279 I mean he had to deal with there was a lot of negative publicity associated 406 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:53.200 with that. I'm sure that Shawn Miller himself was not he to deal with 407 00:27:53.559 --> 00:28:00.279 during that time. And you're talking about a coach pretty powerful and successful who 408 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:04.160 was already in placed when Dave got there. They had to figure out how 409 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.960 to handle that from a media and pr standpoint. They had to figure out, 410 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:14.720 you know, should we self imposed sanctions if so, you know, 411 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.400 when, if so, what should they be. So there was a lot 412 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.839 there, you know, associated with that, and it just did a lot 413 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:26.160 of like harm to the school's reputation along the way as well, and he 414 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.359 had to kind of figure out how to navigate that and kind of you know, 415 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.599 turn that narrative around. Well, that's the funny thing we talked about 416 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.960 this yesterday in the overall reputation of it. I'm not a grad Jason grad 417 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.079 and s how do you? I asked you, how did he feel about 418 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.519 being in alum with all the back just a black mark on it? Have 419 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:49.000 you heard anything from people saying this just doesn't look good? I heard from 420 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.680 a booster last night says, TWUSN doesn't have much and we have the university 421 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:59.880 and now we don't have this. I mean, are you talking about FBI 422 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.920 invest No, No, it's just all the drama. That drama, all 423 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.599 the drama. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, yeah, 424 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.720 I mean it's been a soap opera, to be sure, and it just 425 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:15.119 sort of feels like every other day there's a new plot twist in that soap 426 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.559 opera. I don't think it's great. I think that like the problem with 427 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.279 our gosh, with our society, with media today social media is that people 428 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.400 just sometimes see a headline and then they get an impression about things like the 429 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:36.799 two hundred and forty million dollars shortfall or deficit or you know, accounting error 430 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:41.000 or whatever. I think had been misconstrued in a lot of ways. All 431 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.599 people really know, oh my gosh, what a bunch of screw ups down 432 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.599 there at Arizona. They somehow lost two hundred and forty million dollars. There 433 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.319 are some people who think that's that's entirely the athletic department too, which obviously 434 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:59.000 isn't true. So I don't think there's really any like long term damage. 435 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:03.119 But it would be helpful get someone in place running the athletic department who's good 436 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:11.920 in the pr in public relations of the media realms as well, who can 437 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.880 you know, it's been a narrative and maybe get get people talking about something 438 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.440 else, something positive. But I think was pretty good at that. But 439 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.000 he was also kind of a straight shooter, you know, for better or 440 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.400 worse, James, I appreciated that, but you know, maybe that wasn't 441 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.880 the most effective type of voice to have. And in some of these times, 442 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.799 well, Jay, we talked about you've been in that business. It's 443 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:41.440 but Arizona historically has been more reactive than proactive, right with that, Yeah, 444 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.839 no, for for for eons. I mean I mean that that's sort 445 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.640 of been it's uh, you know, it's it's a way of doing things. 446 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.480 It's always been a reactive group. And then that's kind of what you 447 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:55.920 know, what we're seeing now. So, Michael h knowing what you know 448 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.319 about you know, all the sports you've covered, whether it's been you know, 449 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.960 college that fils and stuff like that. You've got Brent Brandon, who's 450 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.200 hot, who got hired by a guy who just got fired. And then 451 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.960 now you know Arizone needs to find an athletic director. But do they need 452 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.039 to find an athletic director before there's a new president. Because let's assume that 453 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.519 you know, I love Bobby Robbins, I really do. I really like 454 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.640 the guy. One smartest people I've ever met. He's done a lot of 455 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.839 great stuff, you know, in the community and for the university. It's 456 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.240 been a rough couple of years on him. I could imagine that, you 457 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.240 know, maybe his time here is coming to an end. Do they need 458 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.559 to wait for something like that to happen before they go get an AD or 459 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.400 do they need to get an AD right now? That's a good question. 460 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.240 My understanding with regarding Dave's dismissal was that it came out of the blue, 461 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.119 was not expected in any shape or form. I've even heard the term blindsided 462 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:55.599 thrown around. I would like to think that Bobby Robbins knows what the future 463 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:57.920 holds for himself. Yeah, you know, maybe he doesn't. Maybe Abor 464 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.880 is gonna drop that kind of bomb on him tomorrow or in the near future. 465 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.839 But you definitely want to have what I guess I would call like institutional 466 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:12.200 alignment. You know, you want everybody to kind of be on the same 467 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.920 page. You don't like to have you know, like the football coach was 468 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.319 hired, and then you have an athletic director who didn't hire the football coach, 469 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.680 and then you have a president who didn't hire the athletic director. I 470 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.039 mean that people are just not on the same page, right if that's if 471 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.720 that's the case the sequence of events, So I don't think there's a huge 472 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.480 rush to hire someone to be the a D At this point. They can 473 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.680 probably write it out for at least a few months and then you know, 474 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:44.079 we'll kind of see where things stand with with Robbins at that point. Yeah. 475 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:49.519 No, among you said that Wilder had his list. Do you have 476 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.839 a list? Do you have a list? I don't have a list. 477 00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:58.240 No. And is Erica on that list to Wilders? I know it's she's 478 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.559 on the list. She is not, was she was? I can tell 479 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:07.119 you real quick it's Utsay's Lisa compos Boise states, Jeremiah Dickey, Utah's Mark 480 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.039 Carlin, which I don't think is going to happen to buy him out, 481 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.400 Villanova's Mark Jackson who used to work at USC, New Mexico's Eddie Nuniez, 482 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:21.160 Nevada's Stephanie Rempy. And I think one of the themes for Wilner, and 483 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.279 I think this is really smart, is maybe you look at some of these 484 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:29.119 smaller schools because those athletic directors know how to get the most bang for the 485 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.680 book. Yeah, no, I agree. The Novada one I thought was 486 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.960 I saw that name yesterday, which is a good one, right, Okay, 487 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.960 I agreed. I mean I think, you know, talking about going 488 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:45.839 in a different direction, like person of color, a woman, that would 489 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.599 be a different direction, to go to a different voice, a different way 490 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.720 of maybe looking at at the world. I don't think that would be a 491 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.960 horrible idea. A former former athlete year so she knows, she knows the 492 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.000 system, she knows the school. Okay. Else, I saw you, 493 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:06.400 as asked Tommy Lloyd, this about Ballow with the free throws, right, 494 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.880 that was you? Right? Interesting? Interesting because I've had some questions with 495 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.440 him. He kind of gave me the snake eye last time. I asked 496 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.039 him about it if he was concerned about Ballow's free throws, and he says, 497 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.559 well, he's shooting them better and he's getting people in foul trouble. 498 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.400 I don't know about that. And then Bollo comes with his seven for nine 499 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:23.719 or whatever it was. Uh, do you think it was a one off? 500 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.360 I hope not. I think I don't know if I've talked to you 501 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.639 guys about this before or elsewhere, but I mean I've watched him shoot in 502 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.239 warm ups and his form is pretty good, and I think he just gets 503 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.159 nervous during the games. I think he rushes a little bit. He looked 504 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.559 like he was really taking a time getting nice extensions on his shot. And 505 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:51.159 it's think it helps too to just see the ball go through the net a 506 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.239 couple of times. You know, it's just from a confidence standpoint. I 507 00:34:53.320 --> 00:35:00.719 think it's really like with him and maybe he got over that mental barrier against 508 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:04.840 U. C l A. Yeah, Well, the shot is certainly different. 509 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.159 The shots got more arc to it, a lot more arc to it. 510 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.360 I think it's still he still flips it off his handle. I'm right 511 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.119 right. I'm analyzing his shot. It's it's not a it's not a soft 512 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.760 shot. There's a lot of spin to the shot. You know, some 513 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.199 of the great free throw shooters. I think you just see that Bob barely 514 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.880 rotates his his you know, he's still Maybe it's because he's got such big 515 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.599 hands, but the shot certainly does look different, and it looked really different 516 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.840 because more of them went in, uh than than than had been going so 517 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.119 well. I mean, I can say I can tell you this, it's 518 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.679 a big deal, no question. I mean, it's not going to make 519 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.920 a big deal out of it because he doesn't want to put extra pressure on 520 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.159 him. But you know that teams are going to do hack a ballo no 521 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.079 point in time in critical situations, and he's going to have to either knock 522 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.079 those free throws down or he's not going to be able to be part of 523 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:57.360 the final five crunch time down the stretch of the season, no question. 524 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.599 I've been saying that for a while. Totally agree with you, because if 525 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.000 he's crucial, he'll have to be in the game. Yeah, I totally 526 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:05.320 they need him in the game. Thank you, Michael, As always, 527 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.079 Thanks so much, Michael, appreciate it. Hey, guys, you're right, 528 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.079 totally agree that last a separate exactly on the money. Yeah, if 529 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.400 he's gonna play, he's got to hit those shots. Yeah, if he 530 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.039 were they, I mean yeah, they he needs to be in the game 531 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.519 at the end of the game. But he needs he can't be a liability, 532 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.840 liability. Yeah, all right, Okay, let's take our Breakwady to 533 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.960 come back. We'd love to take your cause. Five two zero four one 534 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.400 six seventy four to forty. You still got some reaction to yesterday's interview with 535 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:35.719 Humberto Lopez. Would love to hear that as well. Five two zero four 536 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:45.119 one six seventy four to forty Ware back back. If you're an Arizona men's 537 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.800 basketball fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now take 538 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.840 a look back at the Ludolsen era. 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Yesterday you think it 600 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:20.440 would almost go down because money would be coming in, but I guess not. 601 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:30.840 Okay, you when they hunt next step to really you pot cattle pot 602 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:38.320 okay podcast. Hey, we also want to clarify something right, so right, 603 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.880 if you haven't heard our interview with Frombert to Lopez, it's just interesting 604 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:47.559 stuff mentioned in there. How many a lot of people have Yeah people, 605 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.000 yeah, we we We looked at our numbers and nearly a thousand people have 606 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.440 downloaded the podcast since yesterday, So you know, obviously, you know, 607 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.320 we we struck a nerve at least topic of conversation. Blon, You're getting 608 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.719 a very prominent booster on the show. Just talk about how some things go 609 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:15.039 Comberto Lopez, local philanthropist, businessman Arizona booster talked about how how important football 610 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.960 and Arizon Athletics him personally. He's a great he's the graduate of the u 611 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.360 of A. He's lived here, uh you know since he came here in 612 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:28.360 the eighties, so very important. But in there he mentioned that how important 613 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.960 it was to keep really the servite guys and basically we're talking Jacob Manho no 614 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.840 fa Fida and Detroy McMillan needed to stay. He personally signed a contract with 615 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:44.239 t ma ac Uh and in mentioning those other guys, I think there's been 616 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:49.960 some misconception as to did did he did he have contract with all those guys, 617 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.280 and it got got sent out on on social media that that Bert Lopez 618 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.760 signed all three of those guys. He did not. We got a clarification 619 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:04.320 from him. He has a contract with and he did say t mac is 620 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.639 getting he could have gotten more money elsewhere. He said, he's a good 621 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.840 kid. He advised him that you know, anywhere you go, you're kind 622 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:15.440 of starting over ride it out here, you know, and and and and 623 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.679 you know, keep this thing going. He'll mentor him, right, he's 624 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.960 done that. He says he loves him a good he's a good kid. 625 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.320 He'll mentor him. Having a mentor like Bert Lopez, whether you're in business 626 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.920 or whatever, you can't go wrong there, you know. Steve and I 627 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.360 have known Burt for a long time. So but anyway, we just wanted 628 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:37.360 to clarify that whom BERTA. Lopez does not have contracts with Faffita or with 629 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.440 Manu, but somebody else I'm sure does right now, and they'll do one 630 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.840 fine. Right So we'll see what happens with with the rest of the kids, 631 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.079 because some are still going yeah, some are coming back. Uh. 632 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:51.599 You'll have some of that on Breaking News, correct, right, well, 633 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.639 yeah, and a lot of coaching the news as well. Yeah, a 634 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.320 ton of coaching news for Breaking News, and me and j will get into 635 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.559 that second half, right, Okay, okay, and what do you want 636 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.320 to call? We still have about eight minutes for this segment. Five two, 637 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:06.719 four, one, six, seventy four forty good those numbers on this 638 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.599 podcast, like you are huge right now, really huge. We're probably gonna 639 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.920 grow up, grow even more. Yeah, We're we're We're very excited about 640 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:16.440 what we're seeing. Uh. I think we mentioned this for a little bit 641 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.159 yesterday. You know, we went to look back at our fourth quarter numbers, 642 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:22.840 and y'all are listening to us out there. And I love that the 643 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.719 fact that you're out there listening to us, whether you're listening to us while 644 00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:30.320 you're out on a walk, or you're listening to us live, or you 645 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.079 know, you're going back. A funny one that I mentioned to Steve. 646 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.239 We had a ton of downloads on Christmas Day. It's like you guys missed 647 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:44.000 us, You missed us, he said, It's Christmas Day and I don't 648 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.239 have eye on the ball. I need to hear something to wrap their unwrap 649 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:50.920 their gifts from There were hundreds of downloads on Christmas Day. So let me 650 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.920 ask you a quick question, because we had live on with this question about 651 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:58.719 going outsecore or out. I think that we've gone out for eighties all this 652 00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:05.320 time. It would it be wise to stick in the Arizona group or pool 653 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:10.039 or go out? You know, there's some advantages to getting somebody from inside 654 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:14.679 because they know the ropes, they know the boosters and those kinds of things. 655 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.519 They know the skeletons where they let's let's be let's be let's offer saying 656 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.400 take this call. Oh you're on the aaron Ie the ball. Hey, 657 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.159 guys, what's up is Vic? What's going on? Man? Hey? 658 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.840 So I wanted to circle back to basketball and me and Steven over this a 659 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.639 couple of times about the non shooter Jill. I think that that's the biggest 660 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:40.320 problem they have. They not asking for a Salem or a Steve Kerb, 661 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.400 but they don't even have a Gabe York type of guy that can nail that 662 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.880 that outside shot. Vic. They don't Vic can let me tell you some 663 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.559 of you already wrong. You know what, they have shooters, they don't 664 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.440 have makers'. Wait wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 665 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:59.840 Wait a minute, Wait a minute. You cannot mention Gabe Yorke in 666 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.079 a sentence with Steve Kerr and Selim Stodermri. You cannot. That is a 667 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.880 that is a sin. You need to go to church. You need to 668 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.039 light a candle and throw like a quarter in the box. Okay, I 669 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:14.679 got you, I got you. But but the one thing I wanted to 670 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.159 ask you guys and get your opinion was you guys, go through history. 671 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:23.199 I know you guys are as older than me, but all through history that 672 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:29.840 everybody that's won a championship both almost pro and and uh in college and had 673 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.880 a batman in Robin you have your magic Kareem and Bird and McHale and Parish 674 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:40.599 and Thomas and those guys, and this team does not have a batman and 675 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.760 robins. You guys, you're right. No, you're right. I knew 676 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.719 you're gonna go here with it because Jason had Gilbert right, Uh, Jason 677 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:57.239 Hew Gilbert h Kerr correct that Kalid had Damon and vice versa. No, 678 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.960 and then Miles had baby. Yes, observation because look at you. The 679 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:07.320 Batman and Robin should be Love and Boswell and that's not a batman and anybody. 680 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.559 And we thought that's what it was going to be, and it hasn't 681 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:12.719 been like that. It's the first month. Yeah, Boswell is not which 682 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.679 everyone is Robin. Robin has like not been around Vic. You have more 683 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.880 time on your hand. But that's a great observation. Yeah, Like I 684 00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.679 said, you go through history and everybody had one of them. Yeah, 685 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:28.079 no, no, you're right, you're right. Yeah, it seemed like 686 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.840 it seemed like there was like a batman and a bunch of robins, but 687 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:37.760 not one leg that stands out. You're right two thousand and one, Jason, 688 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.000 you know there was Richard and Luke. It was just a group of 689 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.480 batman and robins. There's no one two punch the big brain on Vic Man, 690 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:51.559 Holy cow, Vic doing anything but the last thing is on real quick 691 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.199 on this football deal. Man. I think it gets better every day with 692 00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:01.079 all these guys he's hiring and guys saying and you know, obviously if if 693 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:07.440 prisek and Uh and the other kid twenty three stayed, that would be a 694 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:13.039 big feather in his cat. But so Via, did you listen did you 695 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:17.039 listen to Umberto yesterday? Yes? And you guys, I'll be honest, 696 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:21.039 man, not because I'm talking to you. You guys have had some great, 697 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:25.559 great guys with a with a prior football alumni coming on, Brett, 698 00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:30.760 Barrett and all those guys, and they have been fantastic. All right, 699 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.239 Bretto, And I'm gonna tell you a little secret. This is kind of 700 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.119 weird. But I went to the food thing and it was because of you 701 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.159 guys. You said, hey, Jay said it. If you're you know, 702 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.320 if you want these guys to stay, get out and support it. 703 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.960 So I go down the ninety nine cent store and buy a bunch of corn 704 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:51.039 and green beans and and took a big box over there, and and Humberto 705 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.159 came up. I was like third in line to get a picture, and 706 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:58.239 he shook my hand said hey, I'm glad you came. And I'm like, 707 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.920 what the heck? Man? That was cool. So then I'm leaving 708 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.599 and he put his arm around me and said, hey, I just want 709 00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.239 to tell you I appreciate you coming. And I was like, man, 710 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.639 I said, I'm retiring this year. Can you part a little n I 711 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:16.159 l from from from Umberica for sure. Big but but but the thing about 712 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:22.480 Tamac was the best that I liked, very very eye opening to say he 713 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:27.280 had a contract with him and uh about the mentorship and all that that was. 714 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.199 That was eye opening on my part. Cool Okay, well, thanks 715 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:34.480 for listening to as always. You got it. You guys are great. 716 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.920 Take care, Thank you. Cool. No, No, he makes a 717 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:45.119 good point. You know, you're like you know with with I mean early 718 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.440 in the season it was Caleb and Kylon. Those guys were just they were 719 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:52.320 unstoppable. And and Kylin's in a slump. And I don't know if it's 720 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.159 a I don't know if it's a it's certainly not. He's not that bad, 721 00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.880 right, He's a good player. He's just not playing well and and 722 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.199 and he's trying to figure it out. We're trying to figure it out. 723 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.239 Uh and and if he gets it figured out again, watch out. You 724 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.559 guys were mentioning that it's it's love and Boswell that that's been the Batman and 725 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.679 Robin duo. Is that just because of the way that they played in the 726 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:14.880 beginning of the season, Like Jay mentioned, because coming into the year, 727 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.519 I honestly saw Ballo and Love as like, Okay, maybe they could do 728 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.840 something inside out with these two. It doesn't necessarily have to be it. 729 00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.679 It just has to be two guys who are out there that there's a rhythm 730 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:30.159 between a couple of guys, you know. And and as as as Steve 731 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:31.639 mentioned, you know, it was it was the two guards back on the 732 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.800 ninety four team with with the Khalid Reeves and and Damon Stottamayer, you know 733 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.119 those two. They had Joseph Blair and he was and he was a factor 734 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.440 inside. But that game, that team was the team. It was because 735 00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.960 of the two guards and and and I kind of felt like that's what we 736 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:54.159 were gonna see. And we saw early and and yes, Ballot is you 737 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:59.480 know, he has to be a force inside Pally Larson as we keep finding 738 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:01.920 out when he plays great, the team is a whole have a lot better. 739 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.719 Keisha Johnson had been doing a lot of great stuff, and it's kind 740 00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.320 of all it's like somebody let the air out of it or something. Yeah, 741 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:14.760 it's like slightly inflated, deflated a bit. So yeah, and I 742 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:20.960 believe this whole hardly one impacts the other. Yeah, Love and Boswell for 743 00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.719 whatever reason whatever. Yeah, okay, guy, all right, we're here 744 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.239 at the top of the hour. We're gonna take our break. We're gonna 745 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.639 go to breaking news when we get back. A lot of a lot of 746 00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:34.119 news coming out of the Arizona football program, and uh and then we'll take 747 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.079 well, well then oh, Steve's gonna leave, so uh he might be 748 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.840 back. Steves he's walking out the door as we speak. He's got to 749 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:45.199 go get on this thing. So we'll be right back breaking news. Stick around.