WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.240 Sword Scale Rewind is an after show, which means it's meant to be listening 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:04.960 to after listening to Sword and Scale for your convenience. Each episode number of 3 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:08.119 rewind corresponds to its counterpart on Sword and Scale. It's not that hard people. 4 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:18.800 Welcome to Sword and Scale Rewind with your hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian Bag. 5 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:52.200 What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Sword and Scale Rewind Episode one 6 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:56.799 hundred and sixty four. My name is Matt Fondelier and I am joined by 7 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:02.520 comedian and co host of the fifth most popular hockey podcast in Australia. It's 8 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:08.319 called Enjoy Orange Slices with Jeff and Ian. Yeahkid, Ian Bag, thanks 9 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.280 for coming back. Oh we just actually got on the charts in Africa. 10 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:17.319 Apparently we're apparently number eight on the most popular hockey podcast in Australia. So 11 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:21.079 we're we're trying, we're building, We're building. Were Wow, it's a 12 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:23.359 pretty good podcast. Just let you know. I'll just put it out there. 13 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.680 My buddy grew up with me and he played in the NHL and I 14 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:32.280 was in a hockey movie that involved a chimpanzee. So if you ever want 15 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.680 to listen, to a hockey podcast. You will never get more knowledge than 16 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.719 we have. Please tell me what movie that was. It's called MVP two 17 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.640 Most Valuable Primate Part two. To do so, I played old Off Chicken 18 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:48.200 Dance, the Swedish sensation. That's amazing. Yeah. Um, anyone ever 19 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.359 get murdered on your on your hockey podcast? Has anybody on the on the 20 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:56.680 podcast or you know in the NHL in the no, no, no, 21 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:57.959 no, no no. We didn't haven't any murder so far as knock on 22 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.120 wood, we've we've are you well here on this show, we're a little 23 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.519 bit light on the hockey talk, heavy on the murder, heavy on the 24 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.879 murder. That's right. And if you've ever listened to an episode of Sword 25 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.360 and Skill, you know that it's a show about murder. Sword and Scale 26 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.120 rewind is the show about that show. Yeah, that's what happens. He 27 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.800 discusses it, then we rewind it. That's right. Yeah. And if 28 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.680 you have never listened to this episode, you may want to listen to it. 29 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.120 But if it's been a while, no problem. That's what we're here 30 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.319 to do. Push pause, go listen to it, come back, listen 31 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.240 to us. Now, this is one of my all time favorite Sword and 32 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.360 Scale episodes, and it is always weird to be like, I'm a big 33 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:40.080 fan of this murder, all right, but there's just something about the way 34 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:45.520 that this story was told. There's a lot of shocking surprises. There's audiot 35 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:49.919 going on here. Even when you think you understand it, there's some crazy 36 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.560 brutality at the end that to me is kind of unforgivable and unforgettable. It's 37 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:57.000 really what I meant to say. Well, we'll discuss that when I get 38 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.199 there, because I have questions about that. Okay, Yeah, I talk 39 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:00.120 to my wife about that, and I didn't really Yeah. I was like, 40 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.879 and she's like, I'm like a lot of in depth conversations. You 41 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.919 mentioned before the MIC's heated up that your wife was familiar with this story. 42 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.919 This was one that was covered by eight hours or state line date line? 43 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.360 Did it Keith Morrison? She said, oh. And I brought it up 44 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:19.919 with her and she said, oh, Keith didn't tell me about that, 45 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.719 And I thought, well, there was he was involved in the murder before 46 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:29.120 the young man that was murdered. Yes here is it here? Or her? 47 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.639 Is it her? I read it as here, But I see, 48 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.960 I always thought it was her and then looked German to me, it does 49 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:40.759 got the double r but I imagined and an Abbott and Costello who's on first 50 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:44.960 style of routine where they're saying, you have to go after her. You 51 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.240 mean that woman? No, no, the guy I thought he said her. 52 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.199 That's right hers it him, you know him. The whole thing happened 53 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.439 the boom. Somebody else is skilled. That's right, exactly. Um, 54 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:58.159 but this is also an episode about the most evil people in all of the 55 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.840 world. Musical theater people the worst. Do you have any experience not even 56 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:08.000 not even musical theater underground, not an underground, off to the side, 57 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:13.319 off off off Broadway in a different state, musical theater, community theater people, 58 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.040 if it's got community in it, just walk away, an It doesn't 59 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.000 matter what it is, a community, sports, community, it doesn't matter. 60 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:25.199 It just means it's gonna be somebody that isn't good. Yeah. Um, 61 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:29.439 do you have any experience doing that year or do theater? Not community 62 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:30.639 theater? In high school? In a little bit, you know, you 63 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.040 know, when I was in New York, coops want to acting school and 64 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:41.079 I just snapped and just but yeah, I YouTube reminds me a lot of 65 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:46.000 community theater. That's pretty good. Yeah, a lot of people just expressing 66 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.399 themselves that express stay at home. Yeah, I've got no talent, Yeah, 67 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.480 but I got nothing else to do, so I'll do this. Look 68 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.120 at me, look at me, Look at me, Look at me, 69 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.319 look at me, look at me. Now, I never did community theater, 70 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.800 but I did do a ton of theater when I in high school and 71 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.160 when I was in college. And starts with an ends with a home. 72 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:12.160 I felt like the people that are in this story were people that I just 73 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.959 those people. Yeah, I mean obviously don't specifically know them, but I 74 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.519 think I'm agreeing with you. But I also think I see them in stand 75 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:24.560 up too. Yeah, anybody who wants that limelight, who wants that attention. 76 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.680 It's just it's a personality type. And they didn't really ever say that 77 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:30.839 they were good. Yes. Well, that's one of my favorite clips that 78 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:34.240 I'll be playing for you is when the woman who's writing a book about this 79 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:40.519 is describing how mediocre of a talent this guy is, and then also her 80 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:45.040 she's from that world too, and it reads from that world and it's her 81 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.800 time to shine. Yep. Well, this is a story that takes place 82 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:54.839 in southern California, more specifically Orange County, gaird Disneyland. The woman who's 83 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.160 writing the book, her name is Glendale, which people who are not from 84 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.040 southern California don't know. But Glendale also the name of the city in southern 85 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.759 California right where we are. They were recording in Glendale. And when I 86 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:09.839 say we're recording in Glendale, understand, I'm not talking about the woman who's 87 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.800 in this story. That makes this story completely different. We're recording insider. 88 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:21.160 Um. So when this episode opens, Mike explains how we're all just narcissistic 89 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:30.240 creatures. He makes us feel shitty about our well thanks, yeah, um, 90 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.279 and then just really digging in how terrible theater people are getting out a 91 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:39.000 clip later like wow, Mike was I don't think he likes therapy, he 92 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.399 doesn't like he doesn't like people to begin with, and then he just even 93 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:46.279 goes the people. Yeah. Um. So I want to tell this I 94 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.199 want to retell this story kind of in the same way that the main show 95 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:54.399 does it because I love that for the first thirty five minutes of the episode, 96 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.360 you don't know what's going on, you know, I mean, I 97 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.240 don't know what your experience was, but when you heard this, did you 98 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:05.720 think that Sam had killed this woman in his bedroom? And there was all 99 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:11.000 these things pointing to why he was the guy who did it. So I 100 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.399 thought, this is what I honestly thought. I thought that her boyfriend had 101 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:20.240 killed Sam and had and then had written words on her. I see, 102 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.199 so, but I was confused. But then I was also like he tried 103 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.639 to make it seem like that and had taken off yes, because I was. 104 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.040 And then and then I thought maybe the dad had something to do with 105 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:36.560 it. I know, I yeah, that's um and the little pulling back 106 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.360 the curtain a little bit. When you work on these types of episodes, 107 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:45.800 you sort of understand that no matter what character you introduce, everyone listening is 108 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.920 going to assume that that person was the killer. It's just the natural way 109 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.240 that you're like playing detective. While you're listening, you're like, well, 110 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:56.319 obviously the dad had something to do with it, even though he's like sobbing 111 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.759 on the phone with nine one one, Okay, can we get to the 112 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.920 nine one one call? Did nine one one operators always do that where they 113 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.800 just try to keep you talking even though it's about nothing. That's correct. 114 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.439 They do okay, because I was annoyed as ship with that operator. Well, 115 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.480 can I annoy you again? Him? Play the one? All right? 116 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.279 Do it? Maybe it was a little bit what's coming on, sir? 117 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:28.079 Here's a dead body? Are you sure, sir? Did she just 118 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.879 ask him if he's truly seeing a dead body? Yes? She did, 119 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.720 I'm sure. Gold. Okay, hold on, just a is it someone 120 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:46.759 that you know? Sir? I don't know. Does your son know who 121 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:52.559 it is? You thought? Do you know where your son is? Fair 122 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:58.679 question? Okay, just keep breathing for me, sir. Okay, where 123 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:05.080 in the apartment? Issue in the bedroom? Some such activities. The blood 124 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.799 there was blood from her head. I don't know what. Okay, just 125 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.320 staying there, Okay, don't find funny. I don't know if you gave 126 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:26.600 head sirs? Is a prank call um? To address your earlier question, 127 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.360 though, Yes, the nine one one operators will keep you on the line 128 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.440 until the police arrive, so they just keep asking random things right and there. 129 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.039 Usually think she understood when he said there's a body. Do you think 130 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.919 she understood her She didn't understand. I think it took a little bit of 131 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:45.480 time for her to understand the severity of what this call really was. So 132 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.399 she's gotten hey, my pizza place hasn't picked up many calls, and then 133 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.279 finally this comes in. She oh, it's real. One of the things 134 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.919 that is sort of a trend in all these sword in Scale episodes are the 135 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.759 nine one one operators because a lot of them are not good at their jobs, 136 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.279 and they are, like I said, they are trying to ask questions 137 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.799 and then they're going to relay that information to the police officers who are on 138 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:13.360 their way. But most of the time they come off as like flighty and 139 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.840 not listening properly. There's a lot of them going like, sir, sir, 140 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.159 you need to shut up and you need to tell me where you are 141 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.399 right now, like they're trying to keep a handle on the situation. They 142 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.399 do. They also use it so maybe some some evidence will fall into into 143 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.679 the taping of the call. Yeah, that happens all the time for sure. 144 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.480 I mean a lot of times they'll be a killer who's called nine one 145 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.720 one on themselves and they'll like admit that they did it, you know, 146 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.960 and then that phone call becomes really important. Um, But like you, 147 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:46.799 I also thought the dad had something to do with it, even though, 148 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.320 because he was kind of an asshole back to us. So you're like, 149 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.440 oh, so daddy knows what happened, right, But the sad truth, 150 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.879 of course, is that he has nothing to do with this. Sorry, 151 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.120 sorry daddy, Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to put you in a bed 152 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:07.039 situation. Yeah. The body found in his son's bedroom was twenty three year 153 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:13.799 old Julie Kubuish and excuse me. On her back were were words that said 154 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:20.399 all yours fuck you, which we find out later is I guess, a 155 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.440 way to try to deceive police. Further, I don't know where that phrase 156 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.720 came from. The all years part. They didn't really say where it came 157 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.519 from. They didn't get to it. I didn't know. I mean, 158 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.440 he what happens is this guy Daniel who we haven't met yet. He is 159 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.879 deliberately trying to throw police off his tracks. But he didn't say where he 160 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.360 comes up with that idea. Yeah, exactly, because it did to me. 161 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:48.279 Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to get ahead too far. 162 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.120 Sure, No, let's do it. Okay, So they think that 163 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:58.840 what's his face, I'm such a reporter that he had that the murder victim 164 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:03.000 had slept with the murderer's girlfriend, right, they don't know if it was 165 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.360 for sure, but it wasn't not confirmed exactly, which I was just like, 166 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.559 that's a weird way to go with it. Yeah, so maybe that 167 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:15.919 was a right but going with everything that we know about the story, at 168 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.320 the end of the story, he had already killed the boyfriend, and then 169 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:26.840 those words all yours, fuck you were too who who? Right? Because 170 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.519 the person that yours would have already been dead, um and headless and headless 171 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.440 as well. Yeah, well, you know, let's just tell the whole 172 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.960 ending right now. I just ruin it. I just said I'm not good 173 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.399 at these situations. So, but when you're listening to this episode, though, 174 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:48.039 this guy Sam who left this body behind is missing. Now we've already 175 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.480 hinted the fact that he's dead, but the police have no idea, and 176 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:58.000 they think that this guy, who it turns out, has once been accused 177 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.960 of murder before, has now struck again and is on the run, right, 178 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.440 which couldn't be farther from the truth, Which is interesting because we find 179 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:13.759 out that he's kind of completely done a one eighty as a person. Yeah, 180 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.879 so's he's actually a good guy by the sounds of it, and he's 181 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.000 trying to become the best thing he can be. He's trying to be all 182 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:28.559 he could be joining your army. So this guy Sam, the army should 183 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.840 use this, by the way, they should use this thing. Let people 184 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.440 know you could get killed at home. Join the army. Now. Yeah, 185 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:41.360 it's a good recruitment video. You're right. So Sam and Julie were 186 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:48.399 only friends. They say in this episode that Sam was like a big brother 187 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.279 to Julie. He felt protective of her, she'd sleep on his couch. 188 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.519 This all sounds like classic friend zone. You know, when I hear this 189 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.399 story, it sounds like every relationship I ever had in high school theater, 190 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.279 which was a showmance, which is right. You're trying to go after the 191 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.759 really cute, pretty girl who's the popular girl, and she can make you 192 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.519 feel like a million bucks, but she's never gonna be your girl, right, 193 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.519 you know, she's just gonna get you to do things for her. 194 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.919 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So you know, I appreciate the nobility of 195 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:22.039 the storytelling that Sam was like a big brother to this girl. But remember 196 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.919 they were not and Sam and Julie were not in theater. It was the 197 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.120 other two, right, Well, I think they said that Julie was also 198 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:31.000 in theater. Oh, I didn't get that. I didn't hear that. 199 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.600 I didn't. I knew she was, she was helping, she was his 200 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.639 tutor, Sam's tutor, but I didn't know she was in theater. I 201 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.960 guess, you know, I might be kind of I think, finding a 202 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.200 few different things and just drunk in of power and feel like you should be 203 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:52.240 running the whole show. I'm so obvious, aren't I. There's going to 204 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:56.000 be a murder on the shoe. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit 205 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:01.799 though about this previous accusation of from her. Okay, because you were saying 206 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.840 that you had actually heard of that part of the story. I remember. 207 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.480 So it's it's around two thousand and two. I moved here two thousand and 208 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:18.519 one, and I was living in a horrible hotel in Hollywood called the Hollywood 209 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:24.679 Hotel on I think it was Hollywood Boulevard and I want to say Western okay, 210 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.279 um, And I remember watching all about these kids. This kid had 211 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.080 been murdered because he had turned his friends in on something. They were selling 212 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:37.000 drugs and kind of thing, and he turned them in and one of them 213 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.440 had got him to come and they were all there and they murdered him. 214 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.039 Yeah, and this sounds like this is the exact same. And the funny 215 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.159 part was I remember this because I watched it, and then I got on 216 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.679 a plane and went to New York and filmed another code and I was doing 217 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.519 Laconi a lot of that time. Yeah. Now he doesn't even recognize me 218 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:00.159 when I say him, murder you. According to there's an article that I 219 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:06.159 found. According to Los Angeles County court documents, prosecutors believe that her and 220 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:11.600 seventeen members of the quote Brown Familia gang ambushed a rival gang member in a 221 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:18.279 Santa Clarita parking lot January two thousand and two. Prosecutors allege that the group 222 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:23.039 beat nineteen year old Byron Benito with crowbars and stabbed him thirty three times. 223 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:30.399 It was us eventually striking a fatal blow by puncturing a lung, And it 224 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:37.559 looks like had some sort of targeted for revenge after another member was found slain. 225 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.200 So there's a lot of crazy shit going on, and they sort of 226 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:44.600 gloss over in the episode. But this guy Sam, he had a confession, 227 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.000 but then it was thrown out for technical reason. It was crazy that 228 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:49.240 a guy. I was just like, what, Yeah, can you imagine 229 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.360 confessing and still getting away with it? Yeah, or confessing And then they 230 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.960 were like, oh, we didn't push record. Yeah, do you mind 231 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.360 taking it back? Can we go back and do the second take of that? 232 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.960 I would be like, no, that was it. Yeah, but 233 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.880 it's not looking good for this guy. Also, they say he's got fully 234 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.480 sleeved tattoo arms. It just sounds like a criminal. Yeah, you know, 235 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:17.359 yeah, and he's young. And he's like, isn't it weird when 236 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:21.839 you see somebody with expensive tattoos and they're not at the age of making that 237 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:25.079 money to be able to throw it away on expensive tattoos. Yeah, you're 238 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:27.680 okay, do you have any tattoos? I have one of a red star? 239 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:33.200 Oh? I was allergic to it, to all the breakage for people 240 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.160 who can't see this, and just rolled down his pants and he's showing me 241 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.000 a tattoo in a very inappropriate I read read I bent over to show my 242 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:48.039 red star. It's how am I supposed to transition from that? If you 243 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:53.240 can transition from buttle um? All right, so let's go back to We'll 244 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.839 kind of let up to this murder because again, this is a show about 245 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.759 a murder. Okay, um, Sam, who is this supposed killer who's 246 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:07.000 on the run, had been texting to this girl Julie throughout the previous day, 247 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.240 and earlier in the day mentioned something about helping his friend Dan move some 248 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.680 things. Remember that part people. But as it got later at night, 249 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.880 he starts texting, can you come over to my place tonight? I'm very 250 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:25.200 upset. I need to talk no sex, which apparently was part of the 251 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.160 another really weird thing. If they're just to me, I think should have 252 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:34.039 raised her like if they weren't, Like, why would you have to tell 253 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.720 me? Right, you've never told me this before. Yeah, you would 254 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.400 immediately think that this is not my friend. But why would you ever feel 255 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.519 good? Why would you ever think that, Oh, texts coming from this 256 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.920 person aren't really from that person. But that is of course the reality of 257 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:53.960 it. And you know, the shitty part about murder is you can't have 258 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.759 twenty twenty hindsight when you're the victim. M there you go, Oh that 259 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:03.279 didn't make sense. Already dead, Yeah that's true. Maybe oh man, 260 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:11.160 my fault, that's true. It doesn't work that way. So the detectives 261 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:18.359 kind of after they are called to investigate this dead body. They are what 262 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.200 doing when police do, which is follow every lead that they can to try 263 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:25.920 to figure out what the hell's going on and the yes, and they noticed 264 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:30.440 there was some bank activity on Sam's bank card, this guy who was on 265 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:37.559 the run allegedly, and they found four separate cash withdrawals using this guy's card. 266 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.559 But when they check the cameras at the banks, it wasn't Sam getting 267 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:47.720 money out. It was a random teenager. And they did some great detective 268 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.319 work because they saw the card was used to order pizza. So then they 269 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:55.160 went to the pizza place to get the address for where the pizza was dropped 270 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.640 off. Now, I think this could have been a major mistake because we 271 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.519 all know the classic pizza prank where you or somebody else they could have kicked 272 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.119 down the wrong door, the original what do they call it swatting or swarming? 273 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:10.440 The original that was the original one where yea, what do you do 274 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:11.759 with pizza places? Not cops? That's right, kids today, I don't 275 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:15.119 know about that. Yeah, it was a great trick to play um. 276 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:19.920 But when police arrived, they just found this scared teenage boy who had absolutely 277 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:25.079 no idea what any of this murderer thing was about, and this guy Sam 278 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:30.039 was still nowhere to be found in Long Beach by the way, just legendary, 279 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.359 humble brag. It's a long beach. There you go. Well, 280 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:38.880 we then get to what's the first commercial break in the episode. When we 281 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:44.480 get back, we learn finally about this guy Daniel Wasniak, who we don't 282 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.279 know is actually the most important character in this entire story, one of Sam's 283 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:55.279 neighbors, right, which was another detail that I felt was not exactly clear 284 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.759 first time listening to the episode until way later they to the fact that their 285 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.440 neighbors. It was a very confusing part of the story from a question for 286 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.200 Yeah, yeah, remember when the dad's in the apartment. Yes, was 287 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:14.440 that Dan that came to the door? Oh could have been I wonder if 288 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.480 it was coming back to the scene. Yeah, hey, what's going on? 289 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:19.799 Yeah? Oh so yeah, that could be out who he's talking to 290 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:23.920 kind of in the background. Oh yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's 291 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:30.359 even creepier. Now, did you typical singing weirdo? Speaking of typical singing 292 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:36.240 weirdos, I want to play now the first clip of this woman Glendale who's 293 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:41.000 writing a book about Daniel, and this is her talking about Daniel kind of 294 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:48.440 what he was like and how they met. I actually met Daniel Wazniak almost 295 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.799 exactly ten years from today. I met him in two thousand and ten. 296 00:21:52.359 --> 00:22:00.960 He seemed just like a musical theater actor, which might not relate to everybody, 297 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:07.079 but he was happy, go lucky, or at least that was the 298 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:12.400 persona. He made a lot of jokes, he liked, you know, 299 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:21.920 singing randomly. Boy. He was gregarious, very friendly, very outgoing, 300 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:27.119 and it seemed to me like most people liked him, at least, you 301 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:33.839 know what I could see on the surface, people liked him. Yeah, 302 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:36.039 that's what I mean. Like, I just feel like you were saying to 303 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.240 you, these people exist in the in the comedy world. Yeah, I 304 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:42.319 mean I feel very similar to this type of guy as well. Um, 305 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:47.240 I think there's a difference though, Right, there's the guy that that has 306 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.079 that personality that you just want to be around. Sure, there's the guy 307 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:55.599 that's fake that does all those things. Yeah, and he feels like number 308 00:22:55.599 --> 00:23:00.240 two. I think you're right, which would explain why Mike Budet is very 309 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.200 judge. I gotta play this clip too, because again actually comes right after 310 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.720 this description of Daniel too. Come on, you know the type. It's 311 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:14.720 always like they're on stage performing. It's a whole personality. I've met a 312 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:19.440 few of this type of person They're pretty annoying. All the world's a stage 313 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:25.599 and that sort of thing. It's like the entire universe was designed for the 314 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.680 performance of their life. Now, I always thought that was what my life 315 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.119 was, but apparently it's not true. This is the performance of my life 316 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.960 of my life. Um, but I wonder, what's up, Mic, 317 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.599 Why don't you like the theater? Why has everything gotta be a horror Mike? 318 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:48.440 Yeah, I uh, he doesn't. He does say something like, 319 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.640 come on, well, I don't know that guy. Yeah, exactly anywhere, 320 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.279 and we're all like yeah, and then and then some of us are 321 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:04.000 like, oh, so this woman Glendale was a community theater director in Orange 322 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:10.680 County I used to be, which just makes me think, what musical is 323 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.359 she doing? Right, because she sounds like Harvey Fierstein Young you know what 324 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.720 I mean? Yeah, Well, the musical in this particular episode is a 325 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.559 musical called nine Are you familiar with I'm not. And when I heard it, 326 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.960 I'm like, Nope, I'm not looking it up. Let me download 327 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.839 you on some info because I do happen to know a little bit about this 328 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.039 show, because you've done it before. Well I'm not that one, but 329 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.400 I've did a lat theater, so little film lesson here. There's a movie 330 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.960 called Eight and a half, very famous Italian movie made by Federico Fellini. 331 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.960 Oh movie. If you remember the scene in Pulp Fiction where John Travolta and 332 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.079 Uma Thurman are dancing and they do a little v thing over their eyes, 333 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:53.160 that scene is lifted directly from Eight and a Half. White it's this movie 334 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:57.599 as well, now, Taranto. The movie Eight and a half is a 335 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:02.200 very famous movie about a director and all the women in his life and how 336 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:06.920 they've sort of shaped who he's become. They took this movie and they turned 337 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:11.039 it into a stage musical called Nine. They just rounded up. It's just 338 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.440 nine women that have God. That's right. And they actually made another movie 339 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.240 of the stage musical with Daniel day Lewis singing and dancing. It's not worth 340 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.920 your time. It's terrible, but that's the story of nine. There you 341 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.160 go, just talk you a little bit about it. It's a musical theater, 342 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:26.960 though it shouldn't be about nine women that shaped his legs. Ye, 343 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.279 should be about nine men that shape Yeah, that's how the industry works. 344 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.279 Yeah, absolutely, it's true. No, no, no, not hate, 345 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.839 that's just truth. I want to play another clip of Glendale talking about 346 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:42.599 what a talented actor Daniel. It's not you know, did Daniel Wazniac have 347 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:48.000 the greatest singing voice in the world. No? Did he have a nice, 348 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:53.480 deep, loud voice, yes? Could he hold a tune? Yes? 349 00:25:55.160 --> 00:26:00.440 Was he likable on stage? Yes? Was he a brilliant act? 350 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:04.440 He was? Okay, I mean if I die and somebody says that about 351 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.400 me, I would be crushed. My soul will forever be crushed. It 352 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.920 was so funny. The whole thing says so much that first of all, 353 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.279 it's just like, well, you booked him. Yeah, That's what I'm 354 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.319 thinking when I hear that, I'm like, you were just saying like she 355 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.839 should have lied and said he was fantastic he had a great voice, like 356 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.200 that, because it says so much about her. Yeah, your ability to 357 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.720 cast a child like I was. And you know, we we wanted to 358 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.039 have a barbecue, but we could only get McDonald's. You know what I 359 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.640 mean, Like, that's exactly what she's saying, because that's all as we 360 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:40.960 could afford. Yeah. Also again just going was he good? No? 361 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.799 Was he loud? Yes? Yes he was? And isn't that those people? 362 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.920 Oh yeah, those people are always bad, but they're loud. They're 363 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.599 playing. It's a projecting. You got to play to the back of the 364 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.160 theater. It's a very small theater. I want to tell them. Um. 365 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.039 So she talks about how she auditioned him and asked him in this show 366 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:06.079 nine and she was wanting him to audition for another musical called bat Boy. 367 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.559 You know, we had another shitty thing we are doing and we needed another 368 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.920 shitty actor. So I said, why the hell, let's get Dad Yet 369 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:17.960 it must be available now. Bat Boy is pretty good musical. By the 370 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.240 way, there was if you remember that music or the supermarket tabloid that says 371 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.160 bat Boy found in cave. Somebody turned that into a full figured I figured 372 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.599 it wasn't about a kid that was getting bats to the baseball players. Bat 373 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.319 Boy. I'm gonna need another wooden one. I'm gonna need another wooden one. 374 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:41.240 This is aluminum. You're shilling bat Boy. I would pay so much 375 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.039 money for that. What's the good now? That's all right, a little 376 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:52.599 bit did people like him? Kind? It's just crazy. So he's apparently 377 00:27:52.880 --> 00:28:00.400 starring in all these musicals opposite his fiancee, Rachel Buffett, and she's subscribed 378 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.640 right off the bat as being a bit snobbish, and we kind of find 379 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.599 out that she's maybe a little bit of a mastermind herself. Um. They 380 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:14.000 do give a little background that she was acting in the character department at Disneyland. 381 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:18.920 She was an Alice also Wonderland Maximum Velocity. Yes. Um, But 382 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:25.960 this whole bat Boy musical thing was not to be because Daniel got arrested. 383 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.920 Oh can I go back to her? Yeah? Please, seventy five percent 384 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.160 of the women in musical theater or her? Right. I'm gonna get guys 385 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.640 to do things for me, yeah, or not even guys. I'm gonna 386 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.720 get anybody that thinks I'm attractive to do things for me. I'll tell you 387 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:42.880 what, if I was an attractive girl, I'd probably do the same thing. 388 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.279 If I was a hot girl, my career would be on fire. 389 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:51.000 Yeah, I would be. I'd be sleeping with the oldest executive out there. 390 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:53.559 I wouldn't even sleep. I was just being so close that we almost 391 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.680 left again, it's perfect. It's a perfect plan. So hot girls, 392 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:03.480 he was your talent for evil, not good. Believe it or not, 393 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.000 Daniel was arrested for a bank scheme. They just arrested him because they found 394 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:12.720 that kid with the credit card he handed him over, right, right. 395 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:18.119 They didn't even know that there was this murder happening, you know, just 396 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.079 a couple days before. And it was a little sloppy right on Daniel's part. 397 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.880 Yes, like I didn't really figure out where he got this kid. 398 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.640 Yeah, I agree, that wasn't really that clear. And then he just 399 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.680 kind of paid somebody to help get month out for him. It was just 400 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.240 like riding down the street and said, hey, that kid needs four hundred 401 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.359 bucks or something that It was weird, right, And the other thing was 402 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.240 like, well, who doesn't know you shouldn't do that? Right like that, 403 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:51.880 there's video cameras everywhere. Yeah, yeah, exactly, some old man 404 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.519 just sitting up there with a super eight. Yeah. Um, but the 405 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.079 cops know at least a little little bit more of the story, which is 406 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.960 that they do know about there's a murder as well. Um, so there's 407 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.559 this scene in the interrogation room that I want to play for you where by 408 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.799 the way, it is a scene. It really does seem like a scene. 409 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:18.519 Yeah, Daniel is showcasing his incredible acting ability. Um so here he 410 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.000 is talking his way out of what's going on. Action came down and said 411 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.240 it helped me. I went upstairs and yes, I saw the God damn 412 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.599 by is that much lying here? So we're gonna hear the truth that is 413 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.720 the truth, and tell us what happened. How did that play out? 414 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.920 And what did you do when you got up there? How did your DNA 415 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:44.839 get on her? What's that? Because that was right? Okay, So 416 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.599 how did your DNA get on her that I don't DNA doesn't just full off. 417 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:56.440 I don't know. I didn't do anything. So a shooter. He's 418 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.799 got this whole story that Daniel's telling the police that his buddy Sam came up 419 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.640 to him and was like, I just killed somebody. I don't know what 420 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.559 to do, And Daniel was like, whoa pump the brakes. Let me 421 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.039 try to help you, and you know, I'm gonna help you clean up 422 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.960 this mess. And that was sort of what his original story to police was. 423 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.119 And there must have been that must have been like this wasn't cleaned up 424 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:25.559 that. Yeah, you're arrested like that. It was so bad. Yeah. 425 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.319 So the investigators take like a break, and Daniel calls up his fiancee 426 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.359 and tells her in very explicit terms, don't get rid of the evidence or 427 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:40.559 hang on to the evidence. And Rachel knows that this line's being recorded because 428 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:45.079 she's thinking at least three percent clearly here And so do you think he he 429 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.000 knew as well? I don't. I just think he's a fucking idiot. 430 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.240 I mean, he just was so I just he just seems like such a 431 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.240 buffoon. Was he a good actor? No? Was he a good writer? 432 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.799 No? Yeah? Was he loud? He was? Which he isn't 433 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.559 that thing. He definitely is. Even what he says it was like to 434 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:09.240 talk to God, damn it exactly. It really is showcasing his acting talents 435 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:13.240 for a nineteen thirties film, right, Oh that's right, one of the 436 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.400 first talkies. Oh it's kind to make crazy. God damn it, it 437 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:22.599 got away. Say, um, how did my danna get honor? You 438 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.000 tell me? You know the police? Yeah, it's crazy. Uh So, 439 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.000 after he makes his phone call, he then goes back into the police 440 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.920 room. The police room, the interrogation room, and he just straights up, 441 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:40.599 straight up admits what he did. Now investigators are not expecting to hear 442 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.279 what he's about to say. Well, they didn't. They had him there 443 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.960 for an hour. They must have been shocked, like that was the easiest 444 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.039 case they've ever had a break. Yeah, well, here's the confession right 445 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.680 here. He said, you want to talk to me, what's going on? 446 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.920 I'm crazy and I did it. He gay one, I killed Julie 447 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:06.480 and I killed him. Boom boom shows over, good night. Yeah, 448 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:10.319 thanks guys, thanks for listening. Also not very well acted. I'm crazy, 449 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.960 I'm crazy and I did it. The most he's loud, but when 450 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.480 he's crazy, he's quiet. Yeah, his instincts are just totally wrong. 451 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:25.319 Now we find out that Sam told this guy or sees me, Daniel told 452 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.079 this guy Sam that he needed help moving, He needed help loading some stuff, 453 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.960 and had lured him to this theater, and when he asked Sam to 454 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.440 pick something up, Daniel pulled out a gun and shot him in the back 455 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.599 of the head twice. He took his phone, he took his wallet, 456 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.519 but he left the body in the attic of this theater, which it was 457 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.160 pointed out, was still in use at the time, there was like a 458 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:55.119 children's performance. Shot him while there was a kids show going on right now. 459 00:33:55.160 --> 00:34:00.279 He left the body behind, talked to his fiance say about what happened, 460 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.039 and then the two of them go on stage and perform a musical that 461 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.159 night at different city. I don't know if you remember the best performance of 462 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:15.840 his life. That's right, according to Glendale. Now, after the show 463 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:21.320 concluded, he returned to his apartment, and that's when he started texting Julie, 464 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.039 saying, you know, pretending to be Sam because he had his phone. 465 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:30.719 And the only reason he's texting Julie because Julie happens to make the most 466 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.039 random thing and checks on her friend, Hey how are you. Yes, 467 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.679 she says, hey, how are you, and the killer, using the 468 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:44.000 victim's phone, drops his own name. He goes, oh, not much, 469 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.639 just hanging out with Dan, helping Dan. Oh no, no, 470 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:52.599 no, no, is there is there an undo? Yeah? That is 471 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:57.079 one of the most bone headed moves of this entire st just replied to all. 472 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:02.079 Now because he did that, Now, he's automatically made it so that 473 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.559 she knows too much, right, and he's extra dumb because it's not like 474 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.119 the police don't find all of these texts afterward anyway. He's just he's so 475 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.960 dumb. But he's also got a taste for murder. That's right now. 476 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:21.559 Dan says in his confession that he told the story to his fiance and then 477 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.039 she got sleepy and went to bed, and that's when he snuck out and 478 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.719 committed this horrible Let's reenact that. Let's reenact that. Who do you want 479 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:35.880 to play? I'll be Rachel, all right? Heynight. So you were 480 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.880 like, that was the performance of a life. I something I have to 481 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:47.480 tell you. I murdered I'm mister here today. Wait, you murdered him. 482 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.079 I shot him in the back of the head while we were moving something. 483 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.199 He didn't help well enough, and I shot him in the back of 484 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:58.679 the nap. Well, I'm exhausted just hearing that. I'm gonna go take 485 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.039 a nap. You got to sleep. I'm right to kill somebody else. 486 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:07.079 Wait, n scene. Wow, that's exactly how it would do. So 487 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.679 Dan says, of course, all the stuff about Rachel being asleep. But 488 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.079 Glendale, the woman who's writing the book, she is suggesting that Rachel was 489 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.360 definitely involved with all of this texting that LRD this poor girl to her death. 490 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.360 I'll do my impression with Glendale. He liked, attacked everyone. She're 491 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.800 the American Texter, and July'd attacked Dan on the other hand, what are 492 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:37.199 they a good Texter? No? Did he text? Yes, he texted 493 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.880 in all caps, very loudly, very loudly. Now we get to a 494 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.199 scene that's just described by Boudet, which I thought was a pretty chilling scene, 495 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:51.159 which is this idea of Dan meeting Juliet at the door and be like, 496 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.719 oh, hey, Sam contacted me too, Let's go in and help 497 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:58.519 him together. And then once that door was closed behind her, it was 498 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.679 game over. Are you sure not gonna be sex? That's what you must 499 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:07.159 have said. And Dan allegedly got nervous and went into the bathroom for like 500 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.119 a minute to try to cool his nerves, and then he kind of did 501 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.760 the same thing he did to Sam, which is he said, hey, 502 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.800 look at that, what's that? And then as soon as she turned around, 503 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:21.360 she's dead. I don't understand, like he must, how he would 504 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.599 have been able to do that to both of them with a gun, Like 505 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:29.320 yeah, without people hearing it or something, you know something, it's very 506 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.920 weird, Like I don't. I don't know. You must have snuck on 507 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.320 him somehow, right. It doesn't seem like it was as easy as he 508 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.880 made it sound. I feel like they died in a bad way, Like 509 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.519 he pulled the gun on him and then he said get on your knees and 510 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.280 shot him in the head. Yeah. Yeah, which is I know, 511 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.320 horrible the thing to think, but to me it seems correct rather than what 512 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:52.199 he says. It's also weird that you mentioned that because a lot of times 513 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:57.119 in these true crime cases, people are calling nine one one to report gunshots, 514 00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.639 and that doesn't happen in this story. I didn't even think of that. 515 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.239 Yeah, so it's sharing a kid's play a gunshot. It is sort 516 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.280 of strange that all these things are happening. I didn't even think of that. 517 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.800 Like the Wiggles was great, but that gunshot really Yeah, that was 518 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:14.079 seemed weird. An act too, wasn't it though it was in a it 519 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.639 was on a military compound. Yeah that I think that's right. I got 520 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.239 a little confused with some of that storytelling. I do believe that that was 521 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:29.119 part of it as well. But returning to the murder of Julie, there 522 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.280 was, of course this idea that he staged it to look like a sexual 523 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:37.079 assault, and I thought he was staged something like that, so he must 524 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.760 have slept pretty nasty all around. I would think, well, I figure 525 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.960 out what you how was she? I'm just mumbled it. I figured out 526 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.840 how I got his DNA on her? Well, exactly, that's what I 527 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:51.480 was going to say. That's the only they don't ever say in this episode 528 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.199 that he raped her, But there is this allusion to the fact that there's 529 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:58.119 DNA on her. I didn't even think about that. How did you get 530 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.000 a DNA on her? Yeah, He's like I was standing over the body 531 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:07.360 with my deck outcoming on her. That's not how DNA works. I apologize. 532 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:13.119 This is a filthy episode. It is to way too inappropriate. Speaking 533 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.039 of inappropriate, here's the really really fucked up part of the episode, which 534 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:20.360 is the body that was in the attic needs to be disposed of, and 535 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.000 so Dan decides to take the body apart, one limb at a time, 536 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:30.360 and then take the remains to like a nature preserve and throw them out, 537 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.639 try to let the animals take care of it. So he decapitates the body, 538 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.760 takes off either one or both arms. It was a little unclear to 539 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.480 me. Didn't want to google that picture. But what do you think of 540 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:50.480 this guy's plan? It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre that because he's crying 541 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:55.199 when they're asking him questions. Anyway, he's crazy. I can't imagine being 542 00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.360 able to butcher somebody. Yeah, and what they always say is that it 543 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.639 takes a lot longer than you think it's going to Oh I didn't know they 544 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.119 say that. Yeah, I think Rachel helped. Oh you think she was 545 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.599 there? Oh that's even don't you like? Yeah, I don't see why 546 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.320 not have an extra pair of hands like that, do you know? Yeah, 547 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.400 well, they have a thing that has alibi for why she wasn't there 548 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:21.840 during the murder. But it's in the addict of the theater, right, 549 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.159 Ye? How is there blood nuts seeping through some place? Like that's a 550 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.960 lot of blood coming out of something. Yeah, especially if they're starting to 551 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.559 get dismembered and stuff. That's yeah. More, And it's not like immediate, 552 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.920 it's a couple it's a day afterwards or something. Yeah. Yeah, 553 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.440 let alone the smell all that, and then he just he put the head 554 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.119 in the backpack or something like he was taking it out one piece at a 555 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.960 time, yep, and didn't get very far. Yeah. I mean, 556 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.880 I guess the idea of letting the animals take care of it, and that's 557 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:54.480 not the worst idea, but yeah, just five feet from the main drag 558 00:40:54.519 --> 00:41:00.519 of that was the mistake. It's, uh, well, it's obviously committed 559 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.800 by a crazy person, so I don't know if it's a crazy person or 560 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.960 just an arrogant idiot. Well, he definitely falls into both of those camps. 561 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:14.119 Ignorance and arrogance are a horrible way to go. Oh, what I 562 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.800 was going to say before this woman Glendale mentions this idea that when somebody plans 563 00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.440 for murder, they also plan for an investigation, so they often leave false 564 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.760 clues, which I thought was it's kind of like stating the obvious, but 565 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.960 I liked I never really thought of it that way, that if you are 566 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.880 going to try to commit something horrible, you do understand that there's a consequence 567 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.880 to it as well. And so what year did this happen? This happened 568 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:43.519 in two thousand and ten. Here's one of my problems. How does she 569 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.599 not finished this fucking book? Yeah, well now it's now it's a blog 570 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.559 now, Yeah, she's a blog called Daniel's My Friend, which did that 571 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.599 part? I don't. I don't know if we've gotten too far on that 572 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.440 part. We've arrived, We've arrived there, because that's that annoyed me. 573 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:04.119 Yeah, and she just seemed when she says, well, I as I 574 00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.599 went to the you know, I when I called where it is and he's 575 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.320 at the Orange Council. I went and started talking to him and start I'm 576 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:13.280 like, oh, if anybody sees an opportunity, it's you, lady, 577 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.840 like you're It's just like it was gross, definitely capitalizing. Don't kill me 578 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.840 Glendale because you're probably listen to this and Glendale. Yeah. Yeah, I 579 00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.039 like how she explained that she reintroduced herself. It was just curious how he 580 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.360 was doing. Hello, Daniel, do you remember me? I was the 581 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.360 director that booked you, even though you shit. Yeah, I'm glad you 582 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.440 never asked me what you thought of my performance? Yeah? Um and uh. 583 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:45.880 Ultimately we learned that money was the actual motivator. And Daniel had to 584 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.119 fight about this with my wife. Oh really, yeah, well she'll I 585 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.639 briefly give the scenario and then you tell me where the talking. So the 586 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.400 idea was that Daniel and Rachel were planning on getting married, which is obviously 587 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:02.280 very expensive, and they needed money for the honeymoon, and they were going 588 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:07.440 into crazy debt, so they started asking people all over the place for money, 589 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.960 and somehow, little do they know how weddings happen, people bring you 590 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:19.280 gifts. Daniel somehow knows that this guy Sam has sixty thousand dollars saved up 591 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.840 in his bank account, and that's sort of how he hatches this plan. 592 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.239 And there's allegedly an affair going on too. I think it's all the affair. 593 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.880 I think the money's bullshit, because how is he going to get the 594 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.159 sixty thousand dollars? That's right. You can't just have that little kid pull 595 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.760 it out four dollars at a time. It's not going to happen. So 596 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.960 I called my wife. Well that's what they say. I'm like, I 597 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:42.039 say, bullshit. It was definitely the affair, and that's why he killed 598 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.800 him. And he probably would have got less time for saying it was a 599 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:51.360 passion passion killing, right, Yeah, well the whole d heading. Yeah. 600 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:52.519 I don't know if he's gonna get less time, but he would what 601 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:58.000 a crime of passion isn't. Don't you get what if you necessarily get a 602 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.119 reduction, But it's certainly can help a little bit, I think, and 603 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.840 I think people look at you a little different. Yeah, that's true. 604 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.320 Right. That guy was fuking my woman that I was marrying, and that's 605 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:12.760 why what not like with both parts. That guy was wuking my woman. 606 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.360 But he had sixty thousand dollars. Yeah, so I was fine with that 607 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.360 if as long as we could kill him. And it's also has pointed out 608 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:24.239 in this episode weird that he's trying to get money to pay for the celebration 609 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.480 that he's going to have with the woman that he knows is having an affair 610 00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.800 like this is not a great foundation for it's not there's nothing about this relationship 611 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.559 that is good. Now, this guy got arrested at his bachelor party, 612 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.360 which if you were one of that guy's friends, that had to be the 613 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:46.159 most epic bachelor party you've ever been to before. As the donkey's leaving him 614 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.960 come to yeah, exactly, And I was wondering, do you have any 615 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.639 good bachelor party stories? Uh? No, I don't think I say anything. 616 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:58.760 I don't think I've ever been to a bachelor party. Really. Yeah, 617 00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:00.960 Trent's my buddy. Trents wasn't. We had to strip her up in 618 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.519 Edmonton with that, so she was she was a little rough. So you 619 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.880 know she's a Canadian stripper. Canadian strippers huh yeah, wear gloves. They're 620 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.440 more polite, more polite. I'm about to get questions asked about japenance grind 621 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:22.960 Dan you um so getting to the wrap up of the story here. Sorry, 622 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:23.880 people listening, We've got to get wrapped up to them. Oh no, 623 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.119 I'm just trying to look at my notes here. But I think it 624 00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.400 kind of circles back to what we were talking about earlier, which is they 625 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:37.280 never explicitly say that they did have an affair, but they also never denied 626 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:42.039 it either. I think this is when we asked people. I want to 627 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.440 ask the people and have them reach out to us. Can I do that? 628 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:45.880 Am allowed to do that? Oh? Yeah, sure? We have. 629 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.519 We have phone numbers for everybody episode. I want to know. I 630 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.800 want to know if they think that I'm right where it was about him sleeping 631 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.679 with his woman, yeah, or whether it was actually about the money. 632 00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.239 I think you've convinced me though, especially with this angle of how is he 633 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.280 ever going to get that money, right, There's just no way. It's 634 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.079 just like no, what he did he get a checkbook? Like they didn't. 635 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.559 There's just they didn't say anything that they were with any way that he 636 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.800 was going to get that money. I wonder too if it isn't sort of 637 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:19.320 a strategy to help this girl, Rachel kind of get away with it a 638 00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.599 little bit. If it's I think she did it, well, not that 639 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.320 she did it, but as they say in this episode, she gets arrested 640 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:30.239 really just for lying to authorities. She's arrested for. She spends like thirty 641 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.880 two months in jail, so just shy of three years and she's already out 642 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.880 back on the market. Buzz. That's right. But if she was really 643 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:43.000 the one texting and or as you say, possibly helping to pull this body 644 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:49.760 apart, she should absolutely Yeah. So I wonder though if having an affair, 645 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.480 the line of we had an affair doesn't draw her more into these events, 646 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:59.400 And so it's like a legal strategy for them to not say anything about 647 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.400 or about more. They'd say more about money, right, And it's just 648 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.239 a way that they have like proof of things that have to do with money. 649 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.960 You know, when your client is guilty of a crime. You're trying 650 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:15.119 to like find a way to get them lesser punishing. They say, follow 651 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.880 the money, And if you follow the money, there wasn't much money. 652 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.440 Yeah, and with the plan he had going on, there wasn't gonna be 653 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.239 much money. He was just using those credit cards to make it seem like 654 00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.559 he was still alive. Yeah. So right, there's that too. Yeah, 655 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.880 I mean, I think you're right. I think it was probably more 656 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.440 of a crime of passion that he planned. It seems like it makes more 657 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.559 sense that way. I got one more clip to play. No, please, 658 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.360 I didn't. I just why didn't he kill her too, Rachel? 659 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:53.760 I think because he loved her even after all this. Okay, but I'm 660 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.119 just a romantic, you know, you are a romantic youse Like He's like, 661 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.199 I'm will murder somebody, but I love you forever, and I don't 662 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:06.320 like murder everybody. Well I feel bad for Julie. Yeah, well of 663 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.679 course. I mean there's always somebody in these events that you know, and 664 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.880 that's not so much I feel. You know, Julie doesn't know what's going 665 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.639 on, but her family's just a mass I guarantee is. Yeah, it's 666 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:20.239 terrible. Um. This last clip that I want to play is between Daniel 667 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:24.599 and Rachel, these two actors. He's in jail, she's not, and 668 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:29.360 it sounds this is before she got arrested, right it must be, Yeah, 669 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:35.239 this is the call that It just sounds so scripted and weird, stilted 670 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:40.039 line readings. But then Daniel starts hysterically sobbing in the middle of it, 671 00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:45.760 the worst crying. Now, I felt like it was very loud. You 672 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.519 a good crier? No, but he was loud. Let's let's play. 673 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:54.679 He was a dry, loud crier. All right, let's play. I 674 00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:01.800 really because I thought it was the only way I could take care of you. 675 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.800 Because I was a failure. I'm sorry. I couldn't be the man 676 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.559 that you needed. Okay, So maybe why do you leave your family? 677 00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:15.000 Then? My resome is I almost reached the point where I almost killed them? 678 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.800 Could you almost reach the point where you killed me? No? Never, 679 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.599 I promise you were my only light. You're never gonna see me again. 680 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.960 Maybe you're gonna see me again. I'm gonna come you all the time. 681 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.559 What a bad cray. I do love you very much. You are 682 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:52.679 so insane and so stupid, But I know, in your quitted little mind 683 00:49:53.599 --> 00:50:00.880 you were doing it. I don't want it to be happy with me and 684 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:09.960 I wait, you for it up? Oh was there? Okay? I 685 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:19.159 love you. I'll be like, oh yeah. She should have said, 686 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.400 look, man, you're in prison, you gotta fucking quick crying like a 687 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.039 bench, that's what she should have said. Yeah, Oh my god. 688 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:32.719 When I hear her talk, I just feel like she's definitely guilty right lay 689 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:39.400 way more. It really does feel like a thing that she scripted and wrote, 690 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:44.079 but doesn't make sense because he was she was fucking what's his face? 691 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:49.320 So you think she would have the guy that was killed killed Daniel, right, 692 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.719 Yeah, to be with the other guy, but somehow he's tricked her 693 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:57.360 into thinking she should stay with him. It's so weird. Yeah, I 694 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:01.320 personally feel like the sobbing crying stuff. To me, it sounds real, 695 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.400 And even though it sounds so over the top crazy, there's a part of 696 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.679 it that feels really real to me, Like I have a weird little radar 697 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.039 that kind of goes off when I'm here. Really it's not very well calibrated. 698 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:20.440 I'm wrong a lot, but I definitely felt funny. I definitely felt 699 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.599 like it's broken, but I I have this gift, I have this thing 700 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:28.400 I listened to. It never works, but I don't really have any proof 701 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.360 of it. He's obviously a nut job, but I just there's something about 702 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.760 the way he's saying, like we'll never see each other again. It just 703 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.800 feels real to me in that moment. But I don't know. My wife 704 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.239 showed me a picture of him. Oh yeah, And I didn't think he 705 00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.760 was a bad looking man. Was he a bad looking man, no, 706 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:50.679 Nazi loud. Was he gorgeous? Not so much, But I thought he 707 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:55.039 could he couldn't meet another because it almost seemed like, if you leave me, 708 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.800 I'll never get somebody again. Yeah. Well, they even say in 709 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.000 I think Glendale is the one who says that she thinks that if Daniel had 710 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.800 never met Rachel, none of this would have ever happened because he was just 711 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:13.960 this nice, gregarious guy. But she sort of, because he was trying 712 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.199 to be the strong man, she was able to kind of make him manipulate, 713 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.920 you know, manipulate him a certain way. Glendale said, if they 714 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:27.400 had never met, Matt Boy would be still on stage right now. Yes, 715 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.599 my book is almost finished. Her voice is crazy. Yeah, it 716 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:36.239 really is. They finished this thing, right, and then I'll tell you 717 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:40.440 something. Yeah, so they sought the death penalty for Daniel and they got 718 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:45.760 it, but there's never any executions in California, so he's likely just going 719 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:51.119 to die of old age on death row. Though I do remember that the 720 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.000 chances are he'll die of old age before he gets to death penalty. I'm 721 00:52:54.039 --> 00:53:00.400 like, what else, there's no other like, you just say he's gonna 722 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:01.960 die of old age. You don't say chances are. Chances are he's gonna 723 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.519 slip on something, and that right, that's true. I did like, 724 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.679 though, the last words of this episode, which is that now he's surrounded 725 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.639 by the worst of the worst and they're not acting, but he'll fit right 726 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.159 in. I thought that was a pretty chill way to end that episode, 727 00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.199 because just like all the jerks in this show, he's a fucking creep. 728 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:27.679 He's a creep. Michael Boudet knows how to put words together. He sure 729 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.519 does. Thank you, Mike Buday, by the way for letting us do 730 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.440 this ship. Yeah, thank you man, thank you. I do enjoy 731 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.159 talking about the murder with you. Ian. It's fun. It is fun. 732 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:37.920 I'm sorry, I'm so loud and gregarious. Well we do it. 733 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.280 Yeah, you feel safe? Yeah? Why'd you lock the door? Why 734 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.920 did you lock the door? Well that's our show, folks. Thanks again 735 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.199 for listening. We're gonna be back next week with another great episode. Yeah, 736 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.199 and thanks again to Ian. By the way, you're on social media, 737 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:52.440 people can follow you. Yeah, you can follow me, but only 738 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.840 if you're gonna be nice. Don't be a dick. I'm a sur bag 739 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:02.280 on Twitter, ian Bag on Instagram? What else I follow? I like 740 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:07.079 looking at videos on TikTok, but I don't do many Tiktoksah. Just go 741 00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.599 to itanbag dot com for all your eaton bag needs. Perfect. 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