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This week, 41 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:54.800 former WWWE Creative Team member Christ Joseph joined me to talk about WWE network plans, 42 00:02:54.919 --> 00:03:00.919 the WrestleMania thirty lineup, Chris Benwack conspiracies, Stephan may Man's new corporate 43 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.680 title, how Triple H differs from Vince McMahon creatively, and more, Chris 44 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.840 Joseph, one of the senior members of the WWE creative team in terms of 45 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:13.639 how many years he put in behind the scenes at that time, with tons 46 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:16.759 of great stories and insights on what it was like to work in WWE in 47 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:22.840 the two thousands. So let's get to that interview, which originally live streamed 48 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:25.520 on December sixth, twenty thirteen, ten years ago. This week it is 49 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:31.360 today's Wig Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast Ten Years Ago Interview Classic four Saturday, December 50 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:39.400 ninth, twenty twenty three. Welcome to the p W Torch Live cabs. 51 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:44.919 I am Wade Keller, editor and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter since 52 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:49.639 nineteen eighty seven, celebrated twenty two years in business last month, and also 53 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:54.159 pw torch dot com, which launched in nineteen ninety nine, and also the 54 00:03:54.159 --> 00:04:00.199 PW Torch app. Just searched PW Torch in the iOS Store for Apple or 55 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.400 the Google Play Store for Android devices. We're also in the Windows Phone Store 56 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:10.479 and the Amazon Kindle Fire Store and also on Samsung Smart televisions and DVD players 57 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:14.919 from the past couple of years, and also I host the PW Torch Live 58 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:16.519 cast. We are on their five days a week, sometimes six after big 59 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.600 pay per views, but we're here Monday through Friday. I host usually on 60 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:24.920 Tuesdays and Friday, although this week I switched days with with pw Torch Assistant 61 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:29.720 editor James Caldwell. He hosted Tuesday with Jason powellopro Wrestling dot Net, and 62 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.319 I hosted solo yesterday and took your phone calls and even an email question. 63 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:40.519 But because it is Friday, that means it is interview Friday, and today 64 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:45.160 I'm pleased to bring back one of my favorite guests. Former WWE creative team 65 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:48.120 member for many years, too many to count in the two thousands, Chris 66 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.800 to Joseph, also known to many as Big Dick Johnson, an on air 67 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:56.079 character he played. Chris, Welcome back to the live cast. Hey, 68 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.439 thanks for having me back with A lot is going on in professional rests right 69 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:05.399 now, and yesterday I went in depth on this on the vip Weadkeller Hotline, 70 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.560 on the latest on WWE network plants, and I kind of want to 71 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:15.240 get your feelings on this right now. Although WWE issued us a statement today, 72 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.480 I think they kind of sent it to all the wrestling media who don't 73 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:25.319 really exist unless they have something to clarify. Their statement was trying. I 74 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:27.680 don't think it ruled anything out, but for those who aren't up on it, 75 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.279 we put a story on pw torch dot com in the app yesterday too. 76 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.240 Last night, Chris. The plan is for the network right now to 77 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:46.120 possibly launch without cable support, possibly launch with just internet access through smart devices 78 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:53.959 such as Xbox, PlayStation, Roku, smart TVs like where the pw Torch 79 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:59.519 app is and Samsung Smart TVs, LG Panasonic, and be an app that 80 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.160 you would heep out for free, and then within that app subscribe for a 81 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:06.439 monthly fee, which you would probably have to buy in six month funnels at 82 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:11.000 least out of the gate somewhere between eight and fifteen dollars a month, probably 83 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.360 somewhere right in the middle of that, probably twelve ninety five or something like 84 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:15.800 that. And with that, if you subscribe to that, you would get 85 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:20.680 access to justin Lebart wrestle Zone. First report it. I hadn't heard it 86 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:24.360 elsewhere that they'd have every run, every SmackDown in every pay per view available 87 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:30.480 on demand instantly, and WrestleMania would be streamed live to any subscriber to this 88 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.399 new network and that it would just come with a COSP So if it was 89 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:40.319 twelve bucks a month for the six months of service, basically for the price 90 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:46.040 of WrestleMania, you can get WrestleMania and six months in network content for basically 91 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.560 the same price. They're hoping out of the gate with the WrestleMania carrot being 92 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.680 dangled that they can come out of the gate roaring. I don't know if 93 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:56.879 it's if this is all coming out to create leverage with cable companies so that 94 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:59.879 they can get a few cable companies on board also, or if they've just 95 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:01.680 decided screw it, we're going to look, we're going to be pioneers, 96 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.199 and we're going to be the major brand that drives people to a new distribution 97 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:10.279 model. And we think we can do it because of how popular WrestleMania is 98 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:14.560 and how many what a vast, vast library of compelling content that we have 99 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:16.959 along with some original programming. And then the channel final point here, the 100 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.120 channel would stream live, so there would be a live stream always airing something 101 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.879 in addition to whatever they had on demand, so you can just tune in 102 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.319 and watch passively NonStop. Just put it on your TV and that's where there'd 103 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.560 be the twenty four to seven content that they would schedule, perhaps including some 104 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:38.639 first run TV shows. WWE responded. Adam Hopkins, their public relations director, 105 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.920 said, in addition to not being able to confirm the timing of WWE 106 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.279 Network's launch, WWE is still considering all options for distribution, pricing, and 107 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.800 role of pay per view, so they're not wanting to say anything yet. 108 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:55.480 But the speculation is that at the Consumer Electronics Show in January, vinsick Man 109 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.839 will be at a press conference announcing that. And at first the thought, 110 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.160 well, why would they announce this at CES. That's not really a I 111 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.600 mean, it's not really a cable television place. But if they're looking to 112 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.920 do if they're looking to be at the forefront the largest brand to get behind 113 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:16.399 online app channel technology that's emerging, there's no better place, in no more 114 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:18.519 logical place to do it than at CES in the middle of the week. 115 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.000 I know, for being there the last two years, Wednesday is pretty much 116 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.360 the biggest day at that convention, and that's when they're holding the press conference. 117 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.120 Vincick Man is present, and I think there'd be quite a buzz because 118 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.960 that's where smart TVs are revealed and smart devices, so I wanted to catch 119 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:35.840 people up on that. I have a lot more details and analysis, I 120 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.720 mean, probably ten twelve minutes at least in depth, in addition to what 121 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.879 I just said on the Way Teller hotline yesterday for VIP members. But I 122 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.720 wanted to get the live cast listeners caught up a little bit on the basics. 123 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.200 Chris, with all of that thrown out there, A, are you 124 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.480 hearing anything different from your following the industry and to what's your reaction to that 125 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.879 model? I haven't heard anything different other than that, but that sounds like 126 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.039 a pretty good model to me. Yeah, I don't know. I mean 127 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.240 I I kind of seems like it's seeing on the way of the future now, 128 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.120 is you know, with you know your Netflix and whous and Rocus and 129 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.159 Apple TVs and all all all that you're smart Google TV, the Google stick. 130 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.039 I mean, if they could just skip that and no, it's it's 131 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.200 you're going from a broadcast to a narrow cast now and you can hit those 132 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.480 people and get people to subscribe. I think it's a it's a it's a 133 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.360 pretty good value, especially with WrestleMania included. And yeah, exactly and perhaps 134 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.360 you know, the NHL and Major League Baseball are doing it too. You 135 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.559 can get those the same way. And I don't know. I think it's 136 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:43.559 a it's a pretty good thing. And and the interesting thing about the approach 137 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.039 that they're taking is the they basically are kind of sticking it to the cable 138 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.600 companies and and saying, you know what, you guys didn't want to play 139 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.480 ball. We gave you first DIBs. That was our first choice. Uh. 140 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.240 But the model, it's just the pricing model, wasn't there the price 141 00:09:54.279 --> 00:10:00.000 split in order to do that is is debilitating in a way. I mean 142 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.279 that sixty bucks seventy bucks on WrestleMania, WWE keeps a little bit under half 143 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.639 of that. With this model, they keep almost all of it. I 144 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:11.759 mean, there's not I mean so, I just think it's a really good 145 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.440 situation if they can get people to do it. And I think the timing 146 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:20.200 is great for them with Xbox, with Xbox One coming out as all in 147 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.919 one entertainment system, where a lot of people are going, I'm going to 148 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.639 cut the cord on cable because it's exorbitantly expensive and I don't watch ninety eight 149 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.279 percent of the channels and I'm going to get by without it, and I'm 150 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.320 going to just use my Xbox to get the stuff that I need with Hulu 151 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.840 and Netflix and like you said, the major league sports apps that will stream 152 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.279 life coverage and that kind of thing. Plus you just buy a hi high 153 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:46.360 def antenna for you know, sixty bucks at best Buy and you can still 154 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.440 watch the major networks that are not cable, that are not tied to cable. 155 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.080 It's a fascinating change in direction, and they can end up making more 156 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:00.000 money using this approach. So I don't know, it's a really fascinating story 157 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:01.120 and well, we'll see where it goes. And then they have their big 158 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.519 TV deal next year, but I think this gives them more leverage with that, 159 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.159 so interesting times. I want to hear listeners thoughts on this too. 160 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.559 We can join and you guys can join in this discussion. Six four six 161 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.279 seven nine to two eight six four six nine eight two eight is the number 162 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.799 if you're listening to What's Live. We're on the air live Tuesday through Friday 163 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.639 at five point thirty Eastern two thirty Pacific. Monday's were on in the hour 164 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.960 before Raw. So the next show will be Bruce Mitchell Port senior columnists for 165 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.360 twenty two years, joined by Travis Bryant, host of the East Coast Cast. 166 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.799 You can find that on blog talk Radio at blogtalk radio dot com slash 167 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.000 East Coast Cast. It's live every Wednesday night, and after show is available 168 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.840 for VIP members and they'll be on Monday and the hour leading up to Raw. 169 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.080 Chris. One other news item before we start taking phone calls and see 170 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:50.360 what people want to talk about. Here is Stephanie McMahon. She was given 171 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:56.799 a new title job day promotion to what is it the vice president of brand 172 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.039 Identity. I'm probably getting are just coming up with new titles all the time 173 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.039 over there, Yes, you know what they wanted. They're copying everything, 174 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.600 Chris. So it's like they got a showrunner. The agents became producers. 175 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.399 Like every term that's used in the TV industry they want to use. And 176 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:18.639 there is in corporations a title that's similar to this, like the person in 177 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.440 charge of brand identity and promoting the brand. And WWE isn't a really a 178 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.519 wrestling company. They're a brand that sort of presents a wrestling like product. 179 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.399 They're kind of the cheese whiz of pro wrestling now it's more of a brand 180 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:35.679 than an actual promoter of fights now and so Stephanie's kind of shifting away from 181 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:37.360 creative to that? Does does that surprise you because you got to work with 182 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.000 Stephanie a lot. Did she seem like somebody who would ever want to move 183 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.720 away from creative, which it sounds like she's been in the last six months. 184 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.240 Even Triple H talked about it in the Grantline to interview a couple months 185 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.960 back. She's been, you know, less and less involved in creative this 186 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.279 year compared to previous years. Well, she was less and less involved in 187 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.120 creative when I was there. I mean from my first year to my last 188 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.279 year, it just became usless. I think the more she took on within 189 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.240 the company. So what your theory there remind people of that? It was 190 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.279 some two thousand and six to two ten. So yeah, no, two 191 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:16.399 thousand and four. Sorry, I've even saved Yeah, she uh, yeah, 192 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.840 she became less and less involved in the creative process, became less meetings 193 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.799 because I mean she just had so much on her plate. So, you 194 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.720 know, Stephanie was was always with alved in other decisions and marketing and and 195 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.600 branding, and you know, within her busy schedule, I think she didn't 196 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:39.799 have the necessary time to you know, offer creative input, let alone go 197 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:46.000 good creative input. Invite you to email the show with feedback or questions or 198 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.080 comments. That email address is Wade Keller Podcast at petew torch dot com. 199 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.279 That's Wade Keller Podcast at PW torch dot com. Also welcome your feedback on 200 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.559 Twitter. You can follow us on Twitter at PW torch and follow me at 201 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:09.360 the way that's at PW Torch and at the Wade Keller And do you think 202 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.480 that from your span of time there five plus years, six tears that she 203 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.799 got at when you first got there, did she seem like she was really 204 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:20.840 engaged in creative and that that was something that she might be doing for a 205 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.200 very long time. And were you impressed with how she led the meetings and 206 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.879 how she led or did you think this probably isn't her long term place. 207 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:33.360 Well, she never really led the meetings. Staffane was involved. I mean 208 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.720 she was, she gave us our marching orders, but as far as coming 209 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.159 up with creative and leading the meetings, I mean very rarely. I mean 210 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.600 she would pretty much feel the ideas and keep the meeting. You know, 211 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.480 rolling, especially once Evince. I mean, she would be involved in it 212 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.000 for a thing out here and there, listen to everybody's ideas and give her 213 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:58.080 opinion. But for the most part, throwing creative ideas and pitches out there 214 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.480 wasn't necessarily, you know, Stephanie's forte you know. And as you were 215 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.679 there, Triple H took on more and more of a role. And now 216 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.519 he's going to be kind of the head of the wrestling side of things. 217 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.000 Stephanie is going to be kind of the head of the corporate side of things, 218 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.360 and that seems to be where everyone thought things would probably settle. Anyway, 219 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:22.000 Triple H kind of overseeing whoever is in charge of talent relations. He 220 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.360 probably is beyond being DP of talent relations that he will always probably oversee the 221 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:31.799 VP of talent relations and also the secondary person in charge of creative under Vincent 222 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:37.120 Mann. Vince obviously is always the number one guy. Chris. As a 223 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.720 sidebar, right, we probably asked this before, but did you ever chuckle 224 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.639 while you're at wwe how much blame the writer's got when in fact, what 225 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.159 people were voicing on the internet, especially what people were voicing they wanted to 226 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.960 happen was actually what the writers were pitching, and it was Vincent Mann who 227 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.320 often was rewriting it and taking things in a different direction. Oh, on, 228 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.440 those things happen all the time. Yeah, I can't tell you how 229 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.759 many times, you know, he you know, the writers are more blamed 230 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:06.639 for things, and you know, we, at least from my perspective of 231 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:11.080 being there, the writers always wanted the best of the product. But sometimes 232 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.240 that there's a there's a constant fight, you know. I mean sometimes vinces 233 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.559 right. Sometimes he wasn't, you know, but it was his company and 234 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.519 that was kind of the way it was. I mean, I'm sure there 235 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.399 are things that we came up with that, you know, not necessarily people 236 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:30.039 necessarily didn't like. But yeah, there were times and probably more times than 237 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.519 the less where it would be you know, I kind of knew what we're 238 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.799 you know, what was going out wasn't going to be great now from what 239 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.320 you saw of Triple H and And this is people keep asking this because obviously 240 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.799 right now, I mean, the writers would have wanted to most of the 241 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.000 rights probably would have wanted to go with Tang a bridist champion, give him 242 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.399 away and give the fans what they want. Vince is is into big guys, 243 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:53.960 he wants muscular guys. He wants somebody and it was kind of a 244 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.639 shoot. They wanted somebody who could be the face of the company, and 245 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.840 Daniel Bryant they just didn't see as that guy, so decided to turn it 246 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.279 into kind of a quote reality storyline. Management doesn't want this guy's face of 247 00:17:03.319 --> 00:17:06.400 the company, and they'll do anything to stop it no matter what the fans 248 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:10.400 want. Where does Triple H fall in between those two? It is somewhat 249 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:15.480 oversimplified, but I think not that far oft from reality binary choice. You 250 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.559 know, there's what the fans want, and then Daniel Bryant type of push 251 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.039 and then there's what finsic Mann kind of pushes through. Where's Triple H falls 252 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.799 philosophically from what you were able to discern in five six years of being around 253 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.039 him. I mean, I think Triple H, who where does he stands 254 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:34.640 philosophically as far as Who's champions? Well, do you think he's thinks a 255 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:41.440 lot differently than Vince McMahon is Triple H Because obviously they have a dynamic that 256 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.559 we don't know a lot about other than they're really close. But Triple H 257 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.279 might might have a lot of things that he would like to do if Finsic 258 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.680 Man were not in charge, but he's given up long ago even pretending to 259 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.319 suggest that that's a possibility. So he just kind of goes along and tries 260 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.119 to get his ideas in. Is that what happens. Do you think Triple 261 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.160 H has philosophically sharp differences with Vince that he just kind of suppresses because it's 262 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.440 pointless, or do you think he's kind of bought into Vince and if Vincent 263 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.279 Man disappeared next week, there wouldn't be this major shift in the next year. 264 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.880 And how Creative is directed. I don't think that that he necessarily I 265 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.359 don't know if it's like takes a back seat to vent at all or doesn't 266 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.480 you know, just just I don't know exactly how you put it up, 267 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.359 But I think that that Honor gives his opinion and lets them be known. 268 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.759 I'm sure it's a little bit different scenario. I'm sure. I mean, 269 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.599 every year, the more and more he got involved with Creative, I mean, 270 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.000 obviously, the more I mean Vince would like his ideas, appreciate his 271 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:40.400 ideas, and go with his ideas, and and you know, it's so 272 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.519 much experience in the business. I think, you know, I don't know, 273 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:47.519 this was a great asset to to create it for us, at least 274 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:51.359 as an outlet and as somebody who could input ideas, at least when I 275 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:53.319 was there. So I don't think it's a thing of like, oh, 276 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.880 I've just resigned to the fact that that Vince makes the decision. I think 277 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:03.000 I think there's a little bit of back and forth there and a little you 278 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.680 know, balling between each other to try to get to get what they want. 279 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:08.759 But I think ultimately, you know, they try to make the best 280 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:12.599 decisions for the company. I think together that that's the way I would I 281 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.119 would see that that relationship happening from the from the relationship that I know that 282 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:22.880 Hunter and Vince haid. Yeah. Yeah, So do you think again, 283 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.599 like if everything you said makes sense to me, but do you think a 284 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:27.799 Vincent man took a year off, took a year hiatis, which of course 285 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:33.599 is just will pass the laughter. How different do you think the product would 286 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.640 be versus Vince staying around? And in what ways would it be different if 287 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.400 Triple Ah didn't have to filter and confer with Vince. I do think it 288 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:44.680 would be very different. I would tend to think that it might be a 289 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:51.119 little more edgy. I do, and I also, you know, think 290 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:57.480 there are certain hokeiness to I think. I think to Vince, yeah, 291 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:02.839 I don't think that Hunter would would bring I mean personally, I mean, 292 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.640 I know Vince is a genius and some of the ideas he comes up with 293 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:11.000 support that I didn't see in person were amazing. I mean, but I 294 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.000 don't know. To me, I would rather work on a creative team led 295 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:21.319 by Hunters rather than by Vince. And why because you like the edginess and 296 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:25.480 there's like I don't know, I just kind of I don't know. To 297 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.000 me, I think Hunter was a little more with the times and a little 298 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.880 more you know, I think he's got his finger on the pulse of pop 299 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.240 culture a little more than than the sig nand does well that would be tough 300 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.319 not to write. Yeah, that is definitely true. And I don't know. 301 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.680 I always enjoyed working with Hunter, so I guess maybe and maybe that's 302 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.400 maybe that's the thing. I was enjoyed working with Hunter. I didn't enjoy 303 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:55.160 working with Vince. That's that'll, that'll, that'll, that'll could I could 304 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:59.160 be biased, but yes, yeah, well, I mean not really. 305 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:02.160 I don't really biased as much as you know. It's not biased to say 306 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.759 I'd rather work with somebody over somebody else because I think their ideas are better, 307 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:07.000 you know, and they work he works better with the writers. So 308 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.759 that's just kind of that's what we're looking for. It's that kind of insight, 309 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:12.519 so you know, you know, but then you know there are things 310 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:18.880 that then comes up with that. It's just amazing amazes me sometimes. Yeah, 311 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.960 yeah, very cool, both good and bad. I don't know if 312 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:26.720 I answered that question at all. No, I think you did. I'm 313 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:29.839 happy with it. If callers want to call up and ask for follow up, 314 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.599 feel free, but I'm satisfied. I will say, we just got 315 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:34.599 numbers in from Impact last night. I'll sneak in it just a quick news 316 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:40.720 update. These quarterly hours, these quarterly numbers are just always disturbing for Impact. 317 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.039 Their first two quarter hours did a one point better than a one point 318 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:49.200 one, and then every single quarter hour well I sent serments score the rating 319 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.079 dropped from the second quarter hour did a one point one four, I went 320 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.759 to a one point oh seven and then down to a point nine to six. 321 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:57.400 They got a little bump at the start of the second hour to one 322 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.240 point oh three and then it went down to p ninet to seven point nine 323 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.960 to one and point nine two, So they continue to lose viewers as the 324 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.880 show progresses. I want to parlay that into another question for Chris to Joseph, 325 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.680 our guest today XWWE creative team member from twenty four to twenty ten, 326 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:18.519 and we're gonna go right into calls Chris, the the way Raw was structured 327 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:22.160 as a two hour show, and now from what you've seen of the three 328 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.039 hour show, because we talked before Raw went to three hours, and you 329 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.559 were on the show and you talked about each segment and you get really fascinating 330 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.200 details on a previous appearance on this show, kind of breaking down where the 331 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.559 priority was and what you learned about how to format, and you know what 332 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:38.279 Vince was looking for and all that. With the three hour show, it 333 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:42.559 seems like they've resigned themselves to the idea that the second hour will be the 334 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:47.799 most viewed because some people will only watch roughly two hours. They just don't 335 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:49.160 have the patience for three, and they're not going to watch hours one and 336 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.440 three. Almost everybody's gonna either watch hours one and two or two and three, 337 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.279 so you get that hour two overlap. So now they seem to have 338 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:59.880 shifted some of the top stuff in hour two. But like last week or 339 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:03.559 the week I should say earlier this weekend Monday, they had this really long 340 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.519 overrun. Because the overrun still does better numbers than our three does, so 341 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.240 we get the most important segment as the overrun, and our three was just 342 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.200 a lot of filler. When you look at the show, now, does 343 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.119 your mind just kind of go wow, I don't know how I would have 344 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:18.680 handled that as a writer. It's just so different than the two hour format 345 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.039 because there's not that sense of building to a crescendo because three hours is so 346 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:26.000 long. Well, I do know that, And I mean when we did 347 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.960 three hour specials, because we would have occasional three hour raws, you know, 348 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.720 and papers would be completely different than because you know, obviously because you 349 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:40.119 don't have to crossover at the hours and things like that. But yeah, 350 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:45.640 we all we always would want to put probably your most important storyline in between 351 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:49.599 hours one and two and then finish it at the you know, at the 352 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:53.880 end of the hour three. Yeah, but yeah, the first the first 353 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.839 hour and the first segment of the entire show was usually something that's important, 354 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:03.880 but not necessarily unless we had to make it that way. The most important 355 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:10.680 thing on the show the VA story, so to say, yeah, need 356 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:15.400 an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts? 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I mean, there's just only so much 374 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:44.720 you could do and keep things fresh soil. That's the challenge that all of 375 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.200 them take on. And you know it's it's it's a tough and and you're 376 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.240 kind of handed it on the platter and you better, you know, you 377 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.680 better eat it and like it well. When then through so and Ed Ferrara, 378 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.880 who wrote Roz within sc Mandarin the Monnight I wore Era. They told 379 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.839 me on the Ultimate Insiders DVD interviews I did with that or actually vincerou So 380 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.359 told me right after he left the WWS as he went to WCW. He 381 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:07.039 said, when when Vince added smacked out in the mix, it completely changed 382 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:10.559 our lives. Like Vince took for granted that, oh you know you did 383 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.680 two hours robs nobody diels was that too ours a SmackDown? There was no 384 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:17.599 talk of raises, no talk of more help, no talk of what this 385 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:18.759 meant to their jobs. Just something they added and you just do it. 386 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:26.440 And and then meanwhile Vince was out on the interview circuit with Shane McMahon in 387 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.839 Shane, who didn't do anything, was getting co credit for the rise of 388 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.799 WWE, and they felt left out. And that's one of the reasons they 389 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:33.799 left, you know, when went to WW. It didn't work out well 390 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.559 when they went to WW. But nevertheless, that was there morale wise. 391 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.000 Vincent Edge just talked about in my interviews with them over the years, just 392 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.279 talked about how it was demoralizing that they were asked to do four hours instead 393 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.480 of two and there was no consideration or comment from Vince explaining, you know, 394 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.480 okay, increased your work. How here's how you know we're gonna do 395 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.720 it. We're gonna give you more help, We're gonna give you more credits 396 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.680 at least or something, or more money or whatever. Had you sense from 397 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.640 Keith in touch with your friends there that there's been a sense of being taken 398 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.720 for granted and that their workload went up without any additional credit or appreciation or 399 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.960 pay or whatever. I think that there's always a sense of being taken for 400 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.319 granted there. I mean, it almost took me years of being there for 401 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.440 it finally kind of opened my eyes, and it's like, I'm putting in 402 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:22.759 all of this work all this time. For the most part, it's not 403 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.599 for a lot. I mean to you literally sacrifice your life there and you're 404 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.200 on call when Vince wants to work. So I still hear from these guys 405 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.759 constantly. I mean, they go into the office on a Wednesday morning or 406 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.720 let's say a Thursday, they meet with Since, for instance, they go 407 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:42.079 in on a Thursday, they're there all day and sometimes Vince, he's involved 408 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:48.359 in everything else. He didn't really have consideration for their time or their schedule. 409 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:55.200 So eventually sometimes they're waiting until eleven twelve o'clock at night to get approval 410 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.400 before you can even move on and start to write a show that's going to 411 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:04.480 get picked apart anyway. Yeah, So it's it's a brutal, brutal lifestyle 412 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.799 that that I you know, I know a lot of those guys come in 413 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.599 some some have been I think taking care of a little bit more at least 414 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.559 guys, are you know, up a little bit higher on the ladder. 415 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.839 But I mean, if you're just a regular Joe on that team, it's 416 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.599 and on the road. I know they split the road and home teams or 417 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.720 whatever. I really don't think that's made such a huge difference. Vince has 418 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.160 the people that he trusts, and those are the people that really have to 419 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.039 say, yeah, very good. All right, Well let's go to the 420 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:33.880 phone lines. We've got a lot of people on hold. Our phone number 421 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.519 here is six four six seven one nine to two weight. I'm Wade Keller, 422 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.039 hosts of the show today, I interview Friday. If you have any 423 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.240 check out my interview with Steve Austin. Over two hours of Steve Austin one 424 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.559 hour free here on the live cast, another hour or so on the VIP 425 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:51.279 after show that was two weeks ago, still available the first hour here at 426 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:56.880 PW torchlivecast dot com. And you can still take advantage of our one dollar 427 00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.359 sale. 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It was just over twenty years ago this week that n 436 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.400 McMahon was indicted by the federal government on a very distribution of possession charges. 437 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.799 We dedicated all twelve pages of the newsletter. It was to that indictment. 438 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.119 People wonder what we're titan yet scandals about? What were the scandals about? 439 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:49.480 What was that all about? Why did he get indicted? I went through 440 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.039 the issue yesterday. I had looked at it in years, and I'm really 441 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.119 proud of that issue. 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Piermarini cooled the crowd now a little. Yes, 467 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.759 he was a popcorn he was popcorn pop for Chas and technically Matt Hardy, 468 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.920 who was on for the first twenty minutes, was the popcorn match and 469 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.640 Johnny Fairplay called up, so that makes it even more for the popcorn match 470 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.880 that they were promoting their their match. Johnny Fairplay managed Carleiitle last Saturday as 471 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.400 a big restl Cade India event in Convention Saturday. Matt Hardy was Carlada's opponent 472 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.160 and so not only did he get the preview with that last Friday, but 473 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.200 had team members got Bruce Mitchell on Sunday spending a whole hour talking about that 474 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.799 that event and everything that went down at that convention. With just a loaded 475 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:19.039 lineup. It was crazy how many stars of the nineties from the WWF early 476 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.440 nineties were there, you know, Demolition, Powers of Pain, Rock and 477 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.000 Roll Express on and on. Interesting show. So yeah, Matt. Last 478 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.279 week was Matt Hardy with Johnny fair Play to want to run in on the 479 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:32.039 Full Bright Yeah, and then John Piermarini and with John we talked about what 480 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.039 Steve and I talked about on his show. I was on Steve Boston Show, 481 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:37.720 by the way, people can look that up too. I was on 482 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:43.680 two weeks before Daniel Bryan and the Daniel Brian interviews great too. But Steve 483 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.759 and I talked about scripting promos and the merits of it, and John Piermrini 484 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.200 came on to kind of defend the need for writers for better or for worse 485 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.880 in today's WWE with the talent they're working with, and we went in depth 486 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.440 on that. So some good shows. You can support us on Patreon and 487 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.200 get these shows with ads and plugs. Remove the weight. Keller Prosing podcast, 488 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:06.119 Weight Keller Prosing post shows and the PW Torch daily cast throughout the week 489 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.400 with ads and plugs remove plus a few bonus VIP shows throughout the month for 490 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.640 just four dollars and ninety nine cents a month, check it out patreon dot 491 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:21.160 com slash PW torch VIP. That's patreon dot com slash PW torch VIP and 492 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.319 you can also upgrade to other tiers and receive even more benefits through Patreon. 493 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.359 All right, let's let's jump to the phone bank. So let's let's begin 494 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.440 with Eric code seven seven three. Thanks for holding it that. Oh, 495 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:38.319 we do have a vite spress remember on hold two, so we'll go to 496 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.319 you next seven seven three. Thanks calling. Please state your name and where 497 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.839 you're from. Boris from Chicago. Bor. It's your first s up today. 498 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:52.640 What have you got for us? I did do the VIP, yeah, 499 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:59.279 just haven't had time to actually enjoy yet because I got that I worked 500 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.960 for the railroad. I got that WW schedule too. They called me yes 501 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.119 tomorrow, so I actually want to sit down and actually play with it because 502 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.840 I got an iPad all stuff like that. So maybe one of these days 503 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.719 i'll get to throw it in there. I think the iPad, I can't 504 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.840 actually use my device they work. I think the iPad. I think that 505 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.199 brute boris. I think Torch vip is reason enough to buy an iPad. 506 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.199 I mean like, and I say that, you know, as a salesman, 507 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.480 partially, but I'm proud of what we doing. Pay but well, 508 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.360 no, it's great. But I'm saying if you don't have an iPad, 509 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.159 and I know you do, just to access torch vip content at the audio 510 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:36.639 and the PDF newsletters and our website looks great on it and it's easy to 511 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:38.840 just you know, flip through everything. And I just I love I've got 512 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.679 my I got a new iPad air and I've just been enjoying the VIP site 513 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.719 on that. So I heard you say something about that, and I heard 514 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:50.119 you say something about the eyebook about the eyebooks. Well, the tutorial, 515 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.119 the tutorial on the website explains how to load and it's oh, it's actually 516 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.480 shouldn't even you don't even need a tutorial for it. Just when you when 517 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.559 you log into the VP website and you click on the newsletter, it'll load 518 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.880 up into but for a few seconds in the upper right corner. It asks 519 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.840 if you want to open it in Eyebooks, and the answer is yes, 520 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.000 because then it stores the issues. It does a thumbnail of every issue that 521 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.719 you that you store an eyebooks. So when you open up Eyebooks, you 522 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.639 can have this whole library of Torch, Newfightters, new ones and all our 523 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.440 whole library right there. And then you just tap on it and they come 524 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.679 up and you can flip through the pages. You can pinsion zoom if you 525 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.800 need to, and it just looks great at eyebooks, and you can do 526 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:28.599 the same thing on edred tablets and the Google Play. I'm so deep. 527 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.559 Yep you well, you're gonna have on the faget too. My thing is 528 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.480 with the network, I'm this is what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping if 529 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.960 they do do it the way with you know, which is put it on 530 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:46.000 the devices and stuff like Netflix, the restrain of the PG can be taken 531 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:52.480 off and they can actually give us something unlike the you know what we see 532 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.559 on TV. I would just, man, I would just take my money, 533 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.719 you know that. That's the nice frist take my money. That's interesting, 534 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:04.000 boars Chris. That was the great points. Yeah, because they could 535 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.000 have basically a button that you could push, Like when I go on Netflix, 536 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.039 it's like, is it you Wade or is it your four year old 537 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.440 son? You know, it's like, you know, we don't want to 538 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.000 have separate libraries. Could wwe prompt you to go do you want a TV 539 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.559 fourteen environment or do you want the PG environment? And their contents that's available? 540 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:27.000 Could depend on what button you push, it really could. That would 541 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.719 that would be interesting. It sounds like a lot more man hours for them 542 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.480 most well, you know, as far as the library goes, I guess 543 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.280 they could just put their pre PG era content in the TV fourteen area on 544 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.559 demand and then just make sure that you know, the Saturday Night's made events 545 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.639 if they put those ever or the more the less eight years of PG era 546 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.760 programming or however long it's been, you know, put that on the on 547 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.199 the one that's PG and then obviously almost everybody would do PG fourteen anyway, 548 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.559 including the thirteen year olds, and so it really would matter. But at 549 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.599 least they could tell sponsors where, you know, when parents were doing right 550 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:05.360 by you even though everybody was just too fourteen. Yeah, I orts anything 551 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:12.920 else for us? Yeah, I mean Austin, Yeah, go ahead. 552 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:19.000 For Stone Cold made two versions of this podcast already, you know, and 553 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.000 I got both of him now. And I enjoyed the PG shows, which 554 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.599 was way Wade was on the PZ suit because my first thought when I heard 555 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:29.199 Wade was going to be on Stone Coach, I'm like, oh man, 556 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.159 this is you know, because the way his show was, I'm like, 557 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.079 I can't wait on that. Then I found out he had two shows. 558 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.239 So Wade did on the PZ show, not be Unleashed. Who knows, 559 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:42.679 maybe somebody else was awesome. And I hope that maybe maybe I'll go on 560 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.559 Unleashed. Maybe next time I'll go on Unleashed and show you the side of 561 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.199 me that my friends know that the Torch people don't. I just swear up 562 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:54.239 a storm. I want to see that. Oh the stories that I have 563 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.840 one question, all right, yes for us, I have one question. 564 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.400 If you heard Jim Ross's interview, which I did. I enjoyed it. 565 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.719 It was kind of like a relief to hear that, you know, his 566 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.480 version of what we didn't hear about him, you know, leaving w W 567 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.159 and him saying he was ready to you know, to trast on some different 568 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.920 I want what do you feel about you know, after you heard the interview 569 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.960 with Stone Coo, I think Jim Ross was ready to try something different, 570 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.000 Chris, I want your insight on that. Are you surprised that Jim Ross 571 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.800 is no longer at all with WWE? In fact, in his blog this 572 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.159 week, he said it was kind of a footnote, a little passive aggressive. 573 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.719 He said, it's interesting who reaches out and who doesn't when they visit 574 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:44.159 your hometown when you're no longer part of the company. You know, I'm 575 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.039 telling you, I I guess I am surprised, just because you never think 576 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.719 that that's ever gonna come. Jr and ww's relationship would have come to an 577 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.280 end. But at the same time, I'm not surprised because you know, 578 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:58.119 I know how you know, Jim's counted, and he's got a lot of 579 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.079 you know, things that he I'm sure would want to work on and and 580 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:06.119 and do it his own, and he's probably made enough money from from me 581 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.440 that you know, he got to a point where he's ready to move on. 582 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.719 And it is it is. It doesn't surprise me in a way that 583 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.239 they didn't that somebody wouldn't reach out to him. If that's exactly what happened. 584 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.639 But it doesn't surprise me, you know, because people around there can 585 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:29.360 they can tend to be looking for a better word, but assholes. Uh 586 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.199 yeah, it doesn't surprise me. But you know, I love Jim and 587 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:38.119 and uh, I'm sure he's happy. I I am just amused because I 588 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:45.519 looked at my Steve Austin show on iTunes and the podcast one screwed up. 589 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.719 Somebody screwed up because after the Daniel Briant interview that came live on Tuesday. 590 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.199 And maybe it's just my iTunes got screwed up, but this isn't a podcast 591 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:58.079 that subscribed to It's it says Daniel brian on Tuesday and on Wednesday. Uh, 592 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:02.079 doctor Drew's one minute Clinic Doctor Drew discusses the issues of dang fever and 593 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:08.039 urinary incontinence. That is now the Steve Boston Show feed. So I don't 594 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:13.440 know if my computer went haywire or someone else can replicate that on their iTunes, 595 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.599 but somebody, I don't know why, but there's a Doctor Drew show 596 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.440 on the Steve Austin feed. That's very weird. Anyway, Let's let's move 597 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.320 from that to our next caller. And we'll go to Erico two two next 598 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:27.760 two to two. Please stick your name and where you're from. Hey, 599 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.519 how's it going for Washington? D see? And then you go to hear 600 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.480 from you? What have you got for us? Hey? A few things 601 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.480 I've been hearing about the new networker's supposed to come out next share and everything, 602 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:43.280 and also her. I don't know how true it is that the contract 603 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.760 with the USA supposed to be up so great. I pretty much report that 604 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.960 constantly. Yes, yeah, So I was wondering, all right, would 605 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.280 they be getting like devil triple the money if they like renew with USA or 606 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.480 could it be like a dark horse fighting made me like mixed waiting to snatch 607 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.960 up the w cont Oh absolutely, Wwe holts and expects there to be at 608 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.039 least two suitors who are very serious, and ideally a third one. You 609 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.960 know that's really serious. I haven't heard that FX is in the mix, 610 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.360 but you know, I won't roll it out. I think their network, 611 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.480 they try to be a little bit more highbrow than that, not quite to 612 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:25.239 the AMC level, but I know they were excited to win USC signed with 613 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.039 Fox that they would have some sports programming, But then Fox Sports one kind 614 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.679 of took it away from them, So, I mean that's possibility, but 615 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.000 I think it's more of the Fox Sports one or NBC Sports or these networks 616 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.599 out there that are that are just dying to become relevant, and they would 617 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:44.519 take a show that draws five million plus every week and pay big money because 618 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.920 that would mean survival of their network being carried by these cable systems where they 619 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.519 get a you know, pretty much a flat fee for every subscriber, whether 620 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.280 they watch the channel or not. You need to make your channel must a 621 00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.719 channel that people demand on their cable systems, and WWE raw is to show 622 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.920 that that people would demand Chris. How much do you think WWE values their 623 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.800 relationship with NBC Universal and specifically USA network, And I mean it comes down 624 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:12.280 to dollars and cents, But would you be surprised if they end up somewhere 625 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.519 besides USA in twenty fifteen. I would be surprised if they ended up somewhere 626 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:20.760 else besides the USA. I know USA is happy with WWE. I know 627 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.800 is happy with USA. Obviously, it does come down to dollars centric you're 628 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.639 saying, so it would be chakra for me, But I mean, I 629 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.440 know WW has a nice relationship with Blondie Hammer and I think that, you 630 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.039 know, she's kind of moved up the ladder over there and has I think 631 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:44.039 that I think that they're in to stay with NBC. Yeah, all right, 632 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:45.159 let's go to our next call, or if you want to get on 633 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.199 the phone. Banks By the way, Christ Joseph X WWE creative team member 634 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.599 from twenty four to twenty ten is our guest today on the PW torch Live 635 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:58.599 Cast. You can find us on demand and live at PW torchlivecast dot com. 636 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.920 That's PW torch live dot com. 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You can listen live most week's beginning at eight pm Eastern On 655 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.119 Sunday nights with a WWE or Impact pay per view, we go on the 656 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.920 air. At the conclusion of that pay per view, you can listen live, 657 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.639 but of course the full show is available for download on demand anytime shortly 658 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.639 after it airs. Visit PW Torchdailycast dot com and click the live stream link 659 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.559 to find the next scheduled live show link. Search pw torch and Apple Podcasts 660 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:42.800 or your podcast app to subscribe Wrestling Night in America every Sunday PW torchdailycast dot 661 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:58.239 Com. Let's go to Eric go nine by four next, Thanks for holding 662 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.519 nine by four. Please state your name and where you're from. Damien from 663 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.440 Florida. Hey, Damien, what have you got for to day? Hey? 664 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:12.800 Guys, Happy Friday. Always wondering when, yeah, I always wondering 665 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:19.880 when wrestlers drop names of previous legends or Michael Cole or jbl or Lawyer or 666 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:25.360 whoever drops names or you know, list champions. Does Creative have like a 667 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.320 blacklist? Because you know, I never hear some eighties guys like Hercules hernandez 668 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.400 Haku, Demolition Strikeforce, Don Morocco. I mean, why do some guys 669 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.559 get chosen all the time. It's like the Associated Press where there's just like 670 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:42.159 names you can mention. Or does Vince have an unofficial blacklist that you knew 671 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.480 of? No, I think that's just that's just the announcer of doing their 672 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:52.119 own research and naming off guys probably off the top of their heads or you 673 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.519 know, in their notes having a list of certain guys. I don't think 674 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:02.719 it's a blacklist type thing. Could not name somebody, but then yeah, 675 00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.119 I just don't see that being an issue. Why yeah, Argul believes wouldn't 676 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:12.280 be mentioned or somebody like that. But I've never been in an actual meeting 677 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:16.920 between Vince Is the announcers before the show, so I couldn't really give you 678 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.679 one hundred percent answer. But to me, I think, you know, 679 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.280 the announcer's going to do their own research and go out there and call the 680 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:28.760 show. And yeah, I don't think that anything is purposely they're purposely trying 681 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:34.519 to leave somebody out. Cool Now, Joey Styles said that he couldn't take 682 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.199 like the buzzing in his ear when he was announcing. Do you know what 683 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:44.960 they're doing that? I will say that again, you don't really know yet, 684 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.119 Like is it really Stephanie and Vince in the back just like buzzing in 685 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.840 the announcers of ears the whole show? Do you know? Yes, Yeah, 686 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.639 Vince is talking to the answers the entire time, not only talking to 687 00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.440 them, sometimes screaming at them. I know other people a lot of having 688 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:06.360 a hard time dealing with it. Nick Foley even before back it was an 689 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.360 issue. Pads said the same thing. He didn't like it in the past. 690 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.360 Yeah, yeah, there's there's not. I'm sure Taz wanted to, 691 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.239 you know, pune Vince in the face plenty of evenings. But yeah, 692 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:30.199 it's uh, it's a thing that that happens there. I think maybe yeah, 693 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.079 yeah, he's not Stephane, He's not doing that kind of yelling. 694 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.199 If Stephani is in england's here. But right now, I think the way 695 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.920 it's set up now is that Vince is is uh is there on headset and 696 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:46.199 I think the whoever the show runner of each show is is next to SnO 697 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:52.360 throughout the show from what I've heard. And uh yeah. As far as 698 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.119 the names you brought up, Damien like Hercule Turnette, it is just I 699 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.039 don't think it would make the cut. I mean, I don't think he 700 00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.840 would be a guy that you would expect here from Don Morocco. I think 701 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.639 his name is mentioned on occasion. And you know, Demolition, you know, 702 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:06.079 kind of depends on when you grew up and what you think, but 703 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.000 I think Demolition deserve more attention. But I think that probably goes Damien to 704 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.280 the to the anti tag team bias. I mean, you just unless somebody 705 00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.280 from a tag team becomes a single star like Heart Foundation or the Rockers, 706 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:21.119 where there's a reason to bring them up again, I don't think it's typically 707 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.079 the culture there celebrates the history of tag team wrestling. I think that's part 708 00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:29.079 of why you maybe don't hear those tag teams. So do you think, 709 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:31.960 like Chris, you don't think there's a conspiracy. You just think the announcers 710 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.400 like they conditioned to forget them or not mention them, where they just keep 711 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.559 going with the same names, or yeah, yeah, I mean, I 712 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.360 mean I think like, like I know, Michael Cole is personally in wrestling 713 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.400 him, so he's probably has certain guys in his head that he thinks of 714 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:47.280 and he probably spouts him out. I mean, I really don't. I 715 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.320 don't think there's any kind of conspiracy whatsoever. Yeah, all right, Damien, 716 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.800 appreciate it, you appreciate the call. Yeah, I don't appreciate it. 717 00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.760 I don't think there's I don't think it would take a conspiracy to keep 718 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.000 her Elise Hernandez from being mentioned. You know, I would mention I wouldn't 719 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:07.280 mention Hernandez. I remember in fact, way back and this was like right 720 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.280 in nineteen eighty six. That's on the phone with Jason Powell and we were 721 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.199 going to go to a WWF house show and it was haulcog and defending against 722 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.039 Hercules, and it was at that point it was, you know, nineteen 723 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.480 eighty five, nineteen eighty six, and we're like, could this be where 724 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.400 there's a title change? Could you know? The we talk ourselves into it. 725 00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.159 We'd like, I bet there's going to be cameras there. If there's 726 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.760 cameras there, I bet they're going to finally do a title change, it'll 727 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.320 pop business. So you know, whatever terms we use back then, And 728 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:34.880 we tried to talk ourselves into it, and then you know, it didn't 729 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.280 happen. Hercules was one in a long line of victims. But boy did 730 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.239 we try to talk ourselves into being able to witness the title change in person. 731 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.679 Jason and I were held bent on seeing title changes in person at that 732 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.519 point at house show. It was a different time. Huh, Yes, 733 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:52.559 it was all right. Let's go to VIP member on the VIP Express line, 734 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:57.519 Eric code seven oh two. Thanks, this is Jeff. Please stay, 735 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.920 Please confirm where you're from. I think we know character, not Jeff, 736 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.519 j E B JEBB from Las Vegas? Are you doing? Wade doing 737 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.719 good? Kick Johnson? Hey, y ball. Look around the internet and 738 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:16.880 I see people trying to sneak across or p B towrks v IP content borders 739 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:22.519 and the seeds to stop. It's not part of my real Peter b teorks 740 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:29.960 vpno Margeria cloth plute, hand across your heart and the voice with me be 741 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.599 the VIP now, thank you very much. I want to know why there 742 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.679 were so many roll up finishes from Raw That's week. It irritates me and 743 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.639 then I've asked this question before, but it just drives me nuts. Why 744 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:47.079 can't the superstars wait at least a second or two for the camera to raise 745 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.039 up after they lose, so we don't see them getting pinned a three counts 746 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.719 and then instantly getting up like nothing but they weren't hurt at all. Wow, 747 00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:00.320 that's just that's a detail that seems ridiculous. Jeff, I have heard, 748 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:01.679 and I'm curious if Chris has ever heard of this. I've heard that 749 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.800 w w WEE wrestlers have been told after pinfalls don't sell that you're hurt. 750 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:13.079 It's part of the Family Friendly of Stephanie McMahon's mission to make this the brand 751 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.719 UH friendly for kids and their parents to watch together. They're trying to actually 752 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.840 overtly keep their show keep so they're they're trying to make sure that it doesn't 753 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:29.800 seem like they're actually hurting people uh with these with these moves. I don't 754 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:31.119 know, Chris, have you ever heard of that being in order before? 755 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:35.880 And my time though has never known My time would I would imagine that they 756 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.719 would want them to sell, but I mean that wouldn't surprise me. And 757 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:44.480 this is something I heard really recently, and this was a rolling that came 758 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.199 down in a production meeting that all of a sudden, it's like, guys, 759 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.360 this what we're not after the Pinfall going to get right up the Family 760 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:54.039 Company, Yep, it's all about fun. We don't want anyone to think 761 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:58.360 anybody really gets hurt. We're just here to entertain and nev and I'm not 762 00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.480 not joking like that's that's I mean, that's why when they have hardcore matches, 763 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.599 Chris, the announcers are giggling and chuckling and talking about the toys that 764 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:08.159 they're using because they want to have their cake and eat it too. They 765 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:12.480 want to give hardcore fans fans are hardcore wrestling a weapons match, but they 766 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.400 want to let the parents sitting there watching with their thirteen year old or eight 767 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.920 year old kids that it's all in fun. It's just toys and they're just 768 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.280 doing it to entertain us. So I just fell fifteen feet awful ladder. 769 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.159 That's how hoyous. I know it's awful. It's awful, and the announcers 770 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:29.199 do that. If I'm a wrestler taking those bumps, I don't want that. 771 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.239 Yeah, I didn't know that. That's that's if that is true. 772 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.119 That is awful. It is awful, and it is a good observation from 773 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:42.519 Jeb to notice. Do you remember Jeff's first question? No, I didn't 774 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.679 let me think for a second. He's still there, so I'll go back 775 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:46.320 to him. I can't think, but this is I was wrapped up in 776 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:52.039 the fact that Jeff's from me. That's all a hometown bride there. Yes, 777 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.480 Okay, I'm about to give up, so I'm gonna go back to 778 00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:01.519 Jeb. Jebbo is your first topic? Yeah, my first topic was there 779 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.079 was only any finishes from row. It was like a roll up app Yeah, 780 00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.000 I mean, from all what you just said, it's not ridiculous. 781 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.280 It's so ridiculous that they make the superstars get up so quickly because it is 782 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:15.280 the business of wrestling. But now they're spending their time with these ridiculous roll 783 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:19.159 up finishes. I don't understand. It just makes it even stupider. Yeah, 784 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.639 no, it's I was just irriteated the whole time. It's gonna You 785 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.800 would think that the roll up finishes would have been discussed between the agent slash 786 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.800 now producers to try to Usually they try to make all the finishes somewhat different 787 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.400 from one another. So that's just a strange thing that there was a bunch 788 00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.000 of roll ups. I didn't get to catch the whole show, so I'm 789 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.880 not really one hundred percent sure, but I can only I can imagine. 790 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.480 It's It's interesting because I mean, I talk about this on the VIP side 791 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.880 all the time. Uh lately, how WWE is there's so much now about 792 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.159 not serving the fans, and they're not even a wrestling company. They are 793 00:53:52.400 --> 00:54:00.519 a prey. They present a pro wrestling like entertainment product, but they just 794 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.719 present it. They're not really promoting fights. They're presenting it and I called 795 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:07.159 it earlier it's like cheese with It's like it's not really cheese. It's sort 796 00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:12.199 of this cheese product. And WWE isn't pro wrestling anymore. It's a pro 797 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:16.119 wrestling like product, and so the rules don't apply. That applied for all 798 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:21.360 the decades to pro wrestling more than a century, which is you know, 799 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.480 very up the finishes. You're hurting people so that they can't get up, 800 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.159 and that's how you're able to score pinfall. Like they're so into Chris serving 801 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:35.719 corporate interests and being trying to be all things to all people in this family 802 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.480 friendly brand of entertainment that just sort of happens to promote wrestling that we just 803 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.920 giggle through. It's I mean, Jeb is not alone. It's I mean, 804 00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.760 I talk all the time on the VIP side on my hotline the business 805 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.159 reasons, and it's very it's very overt, I mean, and it's more 806 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.440 so since you've been since you've left Chris, it seems to have been become 807 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.920 exponentially more like this. Yeah. Wow, it's it's a shame. Man's 808 00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:07.159 a wrestling fan. That's you know, that sucks. You don't have to 809 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.159 wait for the way Keller Pro Wrestling post show to find out what I thought 810 00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.960 of Monday Night Raw and SmackDown. Each week, you can check out my 811 00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:17.440 reports that are updated live throughout Raw and SmackDown at pwtorch dot com. 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Check it out 819 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.400 pwtorch dot com your first stop for TV and pay per view written reports. 820 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.159 Well there's you know, people say, well, you know, times change, 821 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.199 and I'm like, you know, there's some things that just makes sense 822 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.360 no matter what era you're in, and there are things that don't make sense 823 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.440 no matter what ara you're in. And it's just at some point WWE needs 824 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:22.639 to realize or will go so far that they'll just cease to be recognized by 825 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.119 the core fans for what brought made those people core fans in the first place. 826 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:29.320 Right, Yeah, that's what we just say when we were When when 827 00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:30.840 I was there, we used to always say that, like, yeah, 828 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:34.320 you know, sometimes you're like, why can't we why is this in the 829 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.079 w W. Why don't we just embrace the fact that we do wrestling and 830 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.079 we're the best at it. Yeah, you know, that's the one thing 831 00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:45.000 we used to always say. We trying to fight to be something other than 832 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.320 that. But I do get some aspects of it and trying to make it 833 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:53.199 that way. But as far as just changing the way the thing is things 834 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:57.800 are done, is that that fact it just makes it takes away from the 835 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.320 storytelling, in my opinion, and and takes away from you, the audience 836 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.079 caring and investing in those matches that you want to believe are real. You 837 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:13.000 know exactly. When I was interviewed at Steve Bustin on his show, I 838 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.719 said that there was and I like the way this came out the way I 839 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:19.000 explained because I'd never really been able to put words to it before. Like 840 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.760 this, But there was a pact that's existed between fans and wrestling promoters and 841 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.519 wrestlers for decades and decades and decades, and that pact is we know, 842 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.199 as a promoter and wrestler that you're aware that this isn't completely on the up 843 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.679 and up and to varying degrees. And that's been true over the decades, 844 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.719 I mean always, There's always been suspicion, going back to the thirties. 845 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:43.119 You know, Vincent Man talked about it in the in the fifties to the 846 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.880 Washington newspaper going no, we're just I mean he essentially said, we're just 847 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.840 out there to entertain. It's not real competition. It's not like this was 848 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.280 some big thing that came out in the eighties that I never been said before. 849 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:54.679 Fans have always been skeptical, no matter how realistic more realistic it was 850 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:59.880 fifty years ago. But the pact was wrestling promoters would throw that in your 851 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.039 that during the show, from opening closing credits, from the opening bell to 852 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.920 the closing bell. They do everything they could to make it as realistic as 853 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.480 possible while still keeping it somewhat entertaining. So it wasn't just you know, 854 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:14.840 a snowsfest and the fans would play along, and there was a pack in 855 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:20.000 WWE is breaking that packed with the term sports entertainer and giggling through hardcore matches 856 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.199 and having announcers laugh and say it's toys that they're using when they're bashing each 857 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.679 other. I think they're breaking that packed, and I think it will have 858 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:30.480 a destructive effect on the ability to sell to draw people in emotionally, so 859 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.480 they're immersed in want to see fights? Right, yeah, all right, 860 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:39.000 breaking the fours wall exactly. Yeah, Well, that's a Hollywood term. 861 00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:43.400 I wish they'd learned, you know, because that's a pack that movies and 862 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:47.519 TV shows have that WWE is ignoring. Their show runners should know better. 863 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.360 All right, let's go next to uh, three one nine. You're showing 864 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.400 up twice here. I don't know how three one nine. Please state your 865 00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:01.000 name and where you're from. I'm gonna I'm gonna open up. Is everyone 866 00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.800 is Andrew from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Andrew? What have you got for 867 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.719 us? All right? Andrew? Real quick? Whose idea was it? 868 00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:13.039 Joe? Who's the idea? Was it? For you? To be the 869 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.880 big, fat, oily guy? Well, we don't have a Joe with 870 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.159 us. But Chris, do you want to answer that that's your name? 871 00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:22.000 Who's that? I was not the big fat o leaguey. I was big 872 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:29.760 big Johnson. Yeah yeah, tn A had DNA had big fat oily guy. 873 00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:34.760 The idea was it was not mine. How about that? It was 874 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.639 a culmination of I think Brian Gortz and Triple h and and a little bit 875 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:44.880 of Bruce Pritty. I think it was. I was thinking it was Vince 876 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.559 because he had it was not it was not I almost cut Now, did 877 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.639 Vince Chris? Hold on? Hold on? Andrew? Did Vince like it? 878 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.960 Did he cackle? Did he think of? He loved it for a 879 00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:01.320 while, and then you know, I think he excused me of bad acting 880 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.320 a few times. It's like, what do you want me to do? 881 01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.079 Okay, you want me to go out there and be a shake You want 882 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.239 me to be an actor? Do you want me to be an asshole? 883 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:14.039 It was half naked scorting baby at a lovel man, and I'm gonna steps 884 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:17.280 in that character half. I grew with that. What was expected. It's 885 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:21.400 a zady over the top. You know, you'd be like he was telling 886 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:23.079 God, you know he would have me like put me in like little scenes 887 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.400 or stuff like that, God dam or so over the top. It's like, 888 01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:29.239 well, what where where do I go from here? I mean, 889 01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:34.559 I'm I'm I'm half naked, dude, like more than half yeah, yeah, 890 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.679 like almost naked, like holy Like, I mean, come on here. 891 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:38.440 I'm like, I'm like, I'm putting it out there for you. 892 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:42.719 So go yeah, come on man, Yeah, Okay, go ahead, 893 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.559 edreh Awful all right. I was gonna ask about the Slammys, but it's 894 01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:50.559 gonna be pretty big on Monday, So I was just gonna ask about, 895 01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:52.119 like the Match of the Year. What are your guys' thoughts on it? 896 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.400 Chris, what do you think will be Match of the Year. I just 897 01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:00.440 assume Rock Scene, WrestleMania. The nominees right now is Rock and Rock and 898 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:06.480 Seena, Undertaker Punk and what else was there? The Cody Rhodes match at 899 01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.000 Battleground, and then there's Triple H and Lesner. Yeah, it should be 900 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:13.360 seen a rock I mean, because to me, match of the Year in 901 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:17.800 the context of the ww award should be the match that was the headline match 902 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.400 that meant the most, that was pretty good with big time stars. That 903 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.800 will be remembered historically that wasn't you know. I mean it was a rematch, 904 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.679 whereas you know, Punk Undertaker wasn't. But I don't think a punk 905 01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:32.639 Undertaker blew away people so much so that it takes the lead over Rock and 906 01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:37.480 what might be his final match. And yeah, the tag match was better 907 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.039 probably than all of them, you know, from an exciting entertainment standpoint, 908 01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:44.440 But in Triple h Lesner, I don't think is in that in that conversation, 909 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:45.920 So that's my take on it. How about you, Chris? Yeah, 910 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:50.519 yeah, I mean as far as I mean, it's a voted on 911 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:52.880 thing, right, so yeah, I think then yeah, definitely Rock Sina 912 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.199 wins that one. Yeah, and or anything else for us, I got 913 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:02.039 one more thing to continue our conversation about, like calling wrestling sports entertainment. 914 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:06.159 And the only thing I have a problem with is when they lie about history. 915 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:08.719 Like a few weeks ago, they had the Three Faces of Fully and 916 01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:14.199 they said Dude, love Mankind and Mick Foley. They didn't bring up Cactus 917 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:19.280 Jack. I understand why they did it because of the PG family friendly environment, 918 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.920 but it's like, if you're gonna lie about history, it's like if 919 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.039 you're going to bring up history at least tell the truth about it. Yeah, 920 01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:28.039 I can see that, buggin people. I don't know that Cactus Jack 921 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:32.320 was necessarily not PG. I mean Cactus Jack in WW was. It was 922 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:37.400 a PG product. He was known for really good promos and just being a 923 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:39.119 little bit off kilter in the running elbow off the ring apron that mix. 924 01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:44.519 Foley pays a price for every day now in his forties. But yeah, 925 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:45.639 I don't know that. I mean like that that was probably an error or 926 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:50.840 something like that, because I just don't I don't see why did. They 927 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.760 had a little video. They had a little video on ww dot com and 928 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:58.360 they showed Mick Foley, Dude Love, and Mankind and they refer to them 929 01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.760 as the three faces of Foley. Yeah, I think Andrew, I just 930 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:04.679 I think what the asked two with is Vincent create the character, you know, 931 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.639 I mean, catchus MI mcfuley came up with Catus Jack. Now it's 932 01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:10.199 a w W that was a Global Wrestling Federation gimmick that was on the indie 933 01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:14.960 scene. I saw a match between him and Eddie Gilbert h three falls or 934 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.880 three match best of three match series in Philadelphia Freedom Hall back before he's w 935 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.960 existed and he was Cactus Jack then, So I just think it has to 936 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:23.719 do with Vince just deciding to promote the history and the names that he owns. 937 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:29.639 That makes sense to Yeah, all right, cool, Andrew, Thanks 938 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.679 calling. Good to hear from me. Hey, you're welcome. Hen, 939 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.320 I'm sorry, have a what I'm gonna say? You're welcome and happy holidays. 940 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:42.280 Happy holidays? Then very good? All right. Oh, by the 941 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.559 way, next week, next week is Sean Waltman XPOC be on the show. 942 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.800 Looking forward to that. It's it's been too long. I think it's 943 01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:51.920 been four months or so since he's been on. We try to have him 944 01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:54.840 on every three or four months, So looking forward to that and to get 945 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.159 his take on all the stuff we're talking about today and all the stuff we've 946 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:01.599 been talking about every day on the VIP side of things too. It's a 947 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:05.519 fascinating time to be following this wrestling industry. I know, frustrating, and 948 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:10.840 I know RAW has been better and less of a marathon, but just stepping 949 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.960 back and watching where this industry is going and kind of seeing the changes in 950 01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:17.039 play. Fascinating time. A lot of big news on TNA too, which 951 01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:20.920 I got into on My Way Keller hotline yesterday for VIP members with AJ Styles 952 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:25.280 and his future in that company. Jeff Hardy, by the way we've learned, 953 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.639 is announced in this one aar until January, but at last night's taping 954 01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.239 announced that he's done with TNA. I did check around and heard that that's 955 01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.280 probably storyline and it's probably going to be part of as if they can resign 956 01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:40.559 AJ Styles, it'll be part of. And I'm just speculating here. Jeff 957 01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:45.519 Jarrett making his return to TV as the counterbalance, bringing in a cavalcade of 958 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.679 main event wrestlers to offset Dixie Carter, who has taken TNA off off the 959 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:54.119 tracks. But I will just you go ahay, Chris, and you gotta 960 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.039 love double jam man Yep, Well you don't have to, but you can. 961 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.920 Yeah, so we may have. It'll be interesting. I'm I'm. 962 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:06.599 My sources are telling me Jeff Hardy is not done with the company and that 963 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:10.519 that's storyline. So those who are panicked and worried about that are Jeff Hardy 964 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.960 fans. You connect at that. But a lot more details on everything going 965 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.440 on to TNA and their future and how the stuff at WW affects them on 966 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.239 I think a thirty five minute way Teller outline yesterday covering all these big topics. 967 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.440 It was a it's a big news week as we head into twenty fourteen. 968 01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:26.559 All right, let's go next to Erico. Two oh three. It's 969 01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:28.960 always fun. Two oh three. Please state your name and where you're from. 970 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:32.679 Two three in trouble here and yeah, I don't know if you're two 971 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.480 or three. If you can talk into a microphone, I don't know what's 972 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:44.840 going on, but you're really echoey two three there, yeah, Connecticut. 973 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.039 All right, Well, if you're trying to do some sort of bluetooth chemick 974 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:56.079 whatever, just give us a call back. I'll prioritize your call. Longing 975 01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.960 for some misstown or maybe you want to learn some wrestling history. Don't miss 976 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:04.920 the Nineties Past Cast Every Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed, Alex 977 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:10.159 and Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by taking you through the 978 01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:15.480 Torch issue from that very week. Follow news from the WWF and WCW and 979 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:19.079 all the happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as The Torch reported 980 01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:24.159 it thirty years ago. That's the Nineties Past. Cast every Friday on the 981 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:39.360 PW Torch Daily Cast feed. Let's go to six six one, next, 982 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.840 six six one. Thanks for holding Please state to your name and where you're 983 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.960 from. Hi. My name is Brian. Hey Brian, what have you 984 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:49.559 done? Hey, Brian, I was wondering if you ever had herv mush 985 01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:55.519 nikon if you're planning on interviewing him about the Chris Benwas stuff. We have 986 01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.559 had her offline, Yeah, we've had We've had her much Nekon for sure. 987 01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:00.719 Yep. In fact, I've done a lot of communication with him during 988 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.679 the whole Bendwa story, and he was a guest on this very show, 989 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:09.159 which you can probably find out peab towards livecast dot com if you look it 990 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:14.840 up. Did you tell him that you didn't believe the Wikipedia thing and you 991 01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:16.960 thought it was disputed and it was a lie. No? No, Brian, 992 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.960 Brian, hold on, I'm going to just talk because I even saw 993 01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:24.760 your YouTube clip. I want to clarify because I think you misunderstood the conspiracy 994 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:26.800 aspect of it. It seems pretty clear that you have, and maybe that's 995 01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:31.280 why you're so angry about this. I'm not saying that that news people didn't 996 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:36.000 report that Wikipedia, that there was a report of Chris Benwa's death before his 997 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:40.079 body was found on Wikipedia, and I should have been clear with that, 998 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:43.519 and that probably is what led to the led you being frustrated by me. 999 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:45.639 That is a fact. That's a fact. When I use a term of 1000 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.760 conspiracy theory, maybe that term is overused. What I mean is is that 1001 01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:56.000 there was knowledge in Connecticut of Chris Benoi dying under circumstances that are a difference 1002 01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:01.039 than the official story that every prosecutor came to in that when investigating that case. 1003 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.679 What I mean as a conspiracy is that it was more than a guy 1004 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:12.280 who had a connection to somebody who heard Chris Benwa. People were Chris Bano 1005 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.639 had fallen out of touch and he decided to guess that Chris Benwa was dead. 1006 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:21.159 And you're looking into it now and reading all these old stories. What 1007 01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:26.079 is most compelling to you and what is your theory based on reading about this? 1008 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.159 Because I'm not I never was disputing and I feel bad if you thought 1009 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.680 that that that there was a Wikipedia report that Chris Benwa died or was dead 1010 01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:38.079 before people knew that he was dead on Monday. That we know, but 1011 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:43.119 people who did study this and followed it day to day and saw every single 1012 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.079 detail and were immersed like I was uncovering this. Wrote that off as an 1013 01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:55.720 amazing, crazy guess based on perhaps some information that Benoa wasn't returning people's calls 1014 01:08:55.960 --> 01:09:00.720 and people plug up Wikipedia pages with information all the time. This is just 1015 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:03.399 one of those times that it turned out right, you know. I mean, 1016 01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:06.520 I can guess that a celebrity is going to die and be right if 1017 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:11.159 I do it every day for a while. So anyway, Jeff, Brian 1018 01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:14.359 and don't don't and Brian hold on. I don't want you to be angry 1019 01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:15.319 with me, and I don't want you to take the tone that you take 1020 01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.279 because I do want to have a discussion with you on it. But I 1021 01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:20.319 and I know you didn't like it when I said learn more about it than 1022 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:24.119 just this, because there's so much more to learn about it, and I 1023 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:28.000 think when you get the complete picture, you realize there's an overwhelming amount of 1024 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:33.319 information that just kind of points towards This is a weird, weird, weird 1025 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:38.159 coincidence that this guy guessed right a day before ben Want's body was found. 1026 01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:43.479 Go ahead, the floor is yours for a minute, Mushnik also said there 1027 01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:48.279 was another post from Australia right around the same time that changed the Wikipedia page, 1028 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:53.960 and that kid also went in and cleared up child Tho's web page that 1029 01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:58.319 night, which the police never questioned him about. This is all from Mushnik, 1030 01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.960 and he also said the next day when the police shut up at Ben's 1031 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.960 house, that there was two wrestlers there that were working for WWS at the 1032 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:13.279 time. So who are those guys at beuse Ben Wah's house already when the 1033 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:15.840 police got there. Wait, when did you have a whole chapter on it? 1034 01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.399 No, No, I know. I talked to her regularly. I 1035 01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.600 email with her regularly. He's been on the show. I'm not trust me. 1036 01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:26.039 I'm not part of some Oh there's there's a story out there and the 1037 01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:29.560 torches trying to cover it up. I was nobody was more interested in all 1038 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.640 of these things. This was what you're bringing up is one of a dozen 1039 01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:39.079 or two dozen weird, amazing, crazy things that were out there. There's 1040 01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:43.199 conspiracy theories that Kevin Sullivan had Chris Benwock killed because he stole his wife. 1041 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:48.960 And there's an amazingly compelling forty page story on the internet. If you look 1042 01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:53.479 for it that when you're done reading it, you're absolutely convinced that Kevin Sullivan 1043 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:57.159 murdered Chris Benwah. But then when you learn all the other facts that are 1044 01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.359 not that are much, that are just kind of more plane and obvious I 1045 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:02.640 should say pain and obvious. I'm trying to think of the right wordinger that 1046 01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:09.760 are more documented and verifiable and official, that don't seem suspicious. It just 1047 01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:15.199 you start to kind of find yourself going back to the most obvious story is 1048 01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:17.600 the right story. But it's a fascinating thing, Brian. I didn't mean 1049 01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.199 when I said, go vip, I want a dollar. I want you 1050 01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:23.399 to spend ten dollars or a dollar. It wasn't like that makes a difference 1051 01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:26.439 in my life. I really meant that, because I'm not going to take 1052 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:29.039 five hours out of my life and send you every audio show on every back 1053 01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:32.279 issue I did for sixty days when my life stopped and every weeking moment was 1054 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:36.960 covering the story. But you sound passionately interested in this, and you've clung 1055 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.720 to one of the most sensationalistic aspects of it, and it's fascinating, And 1056 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.600 we did cover this, and it's on the vip side, and we covered 1057 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:46.239 it in depth in our audio shows. When this story came out, we 1058 01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:49.319 talked all about travel, we talked about the Wikipedia page. It was all 1059 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:53.560 fresh in my mind then, and it's all there for you. If you 1060 01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:56.039 care about this subject like you do, you call the show, you put 1061 01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:58.680 up a YouTube video bashing me because of the way I answered your questions. 1062 01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:00.800 You have passion for this. You're not gonna find more in depth coverage, 1063 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:05.359 including in any book, than what we did at the time. It'll just 1064 01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.600 so. That's why I said that. And I don't know if you've done 1065 01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:10.760 it or not. I don't care if I get your ten dollars or not. 1066 01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:13.159 But I'm not going to take time out of my day to send you 1067 01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:16.159 everything we did. If you care about this story, educate yourself and inform 1068 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:20.399 yourself on every dimension of this and then come back to me and we can 1069 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:25.479 have a conversation about every aspect of the story, not just this Wikipedia thing, 1070 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.159 which I know is fascinating and there may be things out there that should 1071 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:30.560 be more talked about and should be uncovered. It's not part of my day 1072 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:33.960 to day job right now. I'm pretty satisfied with where our coverage left off 1073 01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:38.079 when we did end up coverage, and Brian, you call it into your 1074 01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:39.840 Friday. I wish you would call on a day when we didn't have a 1075 01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.439 guest, because the reason that you think I'm blowing you off is this is 1076 01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:46.560 a time for guests, not a time to talk to talk about a story 1077 01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:48.640 that's the soul. That's what other days of the week are for when we 1078 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.239 don't have guests. And I've given you more time than I think is fair 1079 01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:55.880 to our guest, Chris to Joseph's day. So I'll give you a couple 1080 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.000 seconds to wrap up, and then I'm gonna go to Chris on this and 1081 01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.760 then and then we're gonna move on. Yeah. I just wanted to know 1082 01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:04.960 what you thought of that Wikipedia thing, if you thought it was a coincidence, 1083 01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:10.880 because Mushnik takes the exact opposite, since the WWE had people stationed at 1084 01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:15.199 Ben Walla's house the next day when the police showed up. I never heard 1085 01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:18.039 you mentioned that. Did you read my coverage? Weird dude, Brian, 1086 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:23.359 Brian, WWE has a timeline, yeah, and none of this other stuff 1087 01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:26.600 falls into their timeline. Brian. I just I know you don't like when 1088 01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.840 I say this, but over that. No, No, I'm not I 1089 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:34.800 immerger there is? Did you? I mean you haven't got you haven't signed 1090 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:38.279 up for a dollar to go VIP and immerse yourself in our coverage. I 1091 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:44.960 assume that's the case based on your questioning of this. Why I read Mushnik's 1092 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:46.920 book. It's online, and I read everything. I read all the mainstream 1093 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.960 stuff, the same place you got your information. But the thing is, 1094 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:54.359 that's a word you get your information from. Since you got it from the 1095 01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:58.720 mainstream news. Do you want to know who was calling me every day during 1096 01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.119 that story? The reporters. Yes. So if I mean, I'm not 1097 01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.159 sitting here trying to PA I'm not trying to sit here and boo boost my 1098 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:12.359 position here. But if you go through the Torch coverage at that time and 1099 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:14.800 our audio shows, you'll hear me reference. Hey, yeah, today, 1100 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:16.279 this newspaper reporter called me and this is what we had to say. Today. 1101 01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:19.279 This producer with this twenty four our news network called me, and I 1102 01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:23.039 spent an hour on the phone trying to talk them through these details and help 1103 01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:25.479 them make sense of it. I think you kind of have it backwards. 1104 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:27.800 When these big stories break and I don't know. I mean again, I 1105 01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.760 don't know how to say this without sounding egotistical, Brian, but I'm one 1106 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:34.439 of the go to people for notespaper reporters who cover one story one week and 1107 01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:38.560 then they move on to another one another week. I covered this eighty hours 1108 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.319 a week for six eight weeks after this happened, and those people were coming 1109 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:46.039 to me for interpreting and trying to make sense of this crazy story. So 1110 01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:49.600 I appreciate you listening to the show. I see your passion for it. 1111 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:55.520 If you're going to refuse to spend a dollar and go read coverage that, 1112 01:14:55.800 --> 01:15:00.479 trust me, is more immersively covering every detail of the story than even IRV 1113 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:03.000 Muchnick did in his book. With all the respect to IRV, who put 1114 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.199 a lot of time into us, I don't know that we need to have 1115 01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:09.079 a conversation. You can go have it with with with other people who want 1116 01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:14.439 to entertain somebody who's read cursory mainstream media articles and uh and what Earth had 1117 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:16.600 to say and did some really good work on this. So anyway, that's 1118 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.920 Chris. Chris, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. This guy called 1119 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:23.640 and I've blown him off a couple of times and he's been on a rant 1120 01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:25.640 on YouTube about it, so I wanted to give him more time today. 1121 01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:28.640 Well I'm running I'm running out of time myself here. I know you are. 1122 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.399 Yeah, and and I just I wanted to just say to this dud's 1123 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:36.119 like, all right. First of all, Chrispin Law killed his wife and 1124 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:40.159 his child and that's the bottom line. Kid. I don't know. I 1125 01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:44.039 feel like he's like looking into conspiracies and all sorts of things like that. 1126 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:47.359 Like, dude, that's what happened. Yeah, it's over with. It's 1127 01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:51.159 been over with. Get over it, bro. And and Chris and you 1128 01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:55.000 were there, what about do you remember anything about the Wikipedia page and the 1129 01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:57.399 reaction. I'll tell you something. The night the night that I heard Chrispin 1130 01:15:57.640 --> 01:15:59.960 when Christina didn't show up to the pay per viewed, the first thing that's 1131 01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.640 in my head was that he was dead. So I don't think that's crazy 1132 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:06.880 that somebody would put that, right, Yeah, I mean that's the thing 1133 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:10.680 is somebody in Connecticut heard and it might have been through a Chavo or a 1134 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:13.119 friend of Chavo. Hey, we can't get old to chris and he's not 1135 01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.800 here on time. In the afternoon before the pay per view and with I 1136 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:18.800 mean it just it was just one of those lucky guesses and people are running 1137 01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:21.600 with it. And yeah, Chris, I apologize. I mean I was 1138 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:29.319 just this literally, this guy's been kind of I don't know. Well, 1139 01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.920 that's and that's what for us. Somebody discovers something new years and years after 1140 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.880 the fact, and they brushed up on some cursory, surface level mainstream news 1141 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:39.239 stories and get fascinated, and they don't go to the source of all this 1142 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:42.960 stuff for spend a buck and go BP and just immerse himself in this information. 1143 01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:45.079 It's just it's hard for me to take him seriously, but I wanted 1144 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:46.880 to givehim a little more time because I did think he misunderstood me. Uh, 1145 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:48.920 Chris and any times limited? Do you have five more minutes? Or 1146 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:51.520 should we or do you gotta go now? And I well, I've got 1147 01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:56.560 I've given me five more minutes. Hopefully nobody calls him in questions who killed 1148 01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:00.840 Femo? Bromvo very good. We actually had the authors of Mad Dogs and 1149 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:06.439 Midget's History Montrelle Wrestling about a month ago and we talked Bruce Mitchell and I 1150 01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:10.640 talked in depth with them about that story. So that was that was fascinating 1151 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:14.359 too, Dino Bravo shot in his living room through a window by a drive 1152 01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:18.399 by shooting of fascinating Tony Gria. Yes, well there was no Wikipedia back 1153 01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:23.319 then, so something all right, I'm sure, I'm sure, Brian will. 1154 01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.920 We'll be posting that conversation on YouTube with a bunch of graphics talking about 1155 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.439 how I'm part of some sort of conspiracy cover up or something. So anyways, 1156 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:33.079 you are you are a Wade? Yeah, you know, I know 1157 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:38.520 it, Yes, exactly. Thanks for downloading today's show. 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All right, let's go to you on thick. 1167 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.279 Don't on thank you only go on go on say shaming where you're from? 1168 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:28.960 Stars? Jackman, Hey, sorry, I thought I gave you the blues 1169 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.520 with Tripleation when I first got on with Ge. The question I have missed 1170 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:39.000 the Joseph is during your time frame and up to the current at the storyline 1171 01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:42.520 with Dave, Brian Win and losing the bell. What it been something that 1172 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:46.039 you guys will try to pushing a pull through because today we could just like 1173 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:50.319 kind of far Fitch if a story when somebody become a world champion. I 1174 01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:54.159 don't think that's right, but would it would ever be something? You were? 1175 01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:56.960 Right? That's all I really had. All Right, Coolkat, Thanks, 1176 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.439 I couldn't completely hear on you. Yeah, you know what I'm gonna 1177 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.920 I'm gonna save that conversation for the VP after show, which we're gonna go 1178 01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:09.479 to right now. We're gonna give VIP members just a couple of minutes of 1179 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.600 VPP exclusive content because I know your time limited to stay Chris. When we 1180 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.960 knew that going in, which is all the more reason Brian frustrate, frustrated 1181 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:17.720 me today, But let's play the music. PW Torch dot com slash go 1182 01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:24.760 vip. It's one dollar twenty six years of my professional life immediately accessible to 1183 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.760 you. New content all the time, twenty years ago radio shows, ten 1184 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.039 years ago audio shows, new way Keller hotline every single day. Check it 1185 01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.039 out. Just go to PW torch dot com slash go vip. Learn all 1186 01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:36.560 about the Chris Vnwass situation. Also the vinsick Man and dieted issue from twenty 1187 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:40.319 years ago, including all the follow up on our trial coverage. All you 1188 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:44.119 have to do is enter the coupon code Survivors Sale when you choose the one 1189 01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:47.279 month VIP option. Thank you everybody for listening to the show. We love 1190 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:53.079 all of you for supporting us and making us such a success here at blog 1191 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:56.279 talk Radio. We will be back on Monday. Bruce Mitchell and Travis Bryant. 1192 01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:59.520 Will I invite Brian to give them a call because I would love to 1193 01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:01.800 have Bruce and Travis talk to Brian about this one. So Brian give them 1194 01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.159 a call on Monday. Christ Joseph, thank you very much. On the 1195 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:06.800 other side of the music, just two quick topics, two or three quick 1196 01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:30.600 topics that we'll end for the day for VPPU members. All right, Chris, 1197 01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:32.560 we're now in the vpp after show portion of the show coming up at 1198 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:38.720 Now I can finally talk about how we know the truth about what really happened. 1199 01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:42.199 That's right, Yes, thank you for saying that. Now that we're 1200 01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:44.880 on the VIP side, you can tell me the real truth about what happened 1201 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.319 with Chris benwa hear that, Brian, thank you for using blog talk radios. 1202 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:51.000 Goodbye. And I don't mean, I don't mean to laugh at Brian 1203 01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:55.159 Chris, because I mean, if you're clicking around the Internet, you're curious, 1204 01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:57.159 and all of a sudden you see this and you're like, why does 1205 01:20:57.279 --> 01:20:59.840 you know? I'm gonna call up laid Keller and you can tell me about 1206 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:00.720 this. And he thought I kind of blew him off and said, oh, 1207 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:02.920 that's a conspiracy theories on Wikipedia, and it's like, no, I 1208 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.039 know he's on Wikipedia. I'm just saying we all everybody was immersed in the 1209 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:10.279 story kind of wrote it off as somebody in Connecticut kind of got tipped off 1210 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.960 that he was missing and they guessed that he was dead. And if you 1211 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.720 know, a lot about the story. That's kind of you know, I 1212 01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.800 mean there's some there's I'm not closing the book entirely on it, and I'm 1213 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:24.039 all for people looking into it and seeing if there's some evidence. But nobody 1214 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:28.319 who studied this thought, yeah, this is you know that there's enough evidence 1215 01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:30.279 here to spend a lot of time, a lot more time on it. 1216 01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:32.279 But it's a fascinating story, and earth Mushing did a lot of work on 1217 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:34.600 it, so I agree. I just wish I didn't have to waste twenty 1218 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:38.720 minutes so it's listening to it. I don't blame it, Honestly, I 1219 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.640 apologize for that. I when I heard his voice, I'm like, oh 1220 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:43.880 God, do I blow him off again and end up on YouTube or do 1221 01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:48.039 I try to give him those second Yes? Yeah, PLC coming up orton 1222 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:51.800 against Sena. Were you surprised when they announced Chris they're going to apparently unify 1223 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:55.760 the titles. I was pretty surprised about that. I don't know how the 1224 01:21:55.840 --> 01:22:00.640 tourist system where they saw smacked the SmackDown touring or Rod Tory stop calling it 1225 01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:02.800 by brand. Yeah yeah, so yeah, I mean that Mase from men, 1226 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:05.920 They're kind of gone back to the way things were, and then I 1227 01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:10.680 personally, as a fan, I'd be like the unification of the titles was 1228 01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:13.840 really a men' come on, what's the point. It just doesn't make sense 1229 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:20.079 and it kind of really waters down the products. Now, they promised there's 1230 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:25.439 gonna be one person walking out with both belts, but they have been cute 1231 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.359 with their language before. You know, Triple H's like, nobody will interfere 1232 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.359 in the match, but you know, at the last pay per view, 1233 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.720 then nobody did interfere. It's just Triple H and Sephany walked out and distracted 1234 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:35.399 big show and that led to, you know, the finish, And so 1235 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:40.600 they've been kind of cute with their language before. So I'm watching the way 1236 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:44.119 they're talking about this, and they're not saying they're guaranteeing John Cena or Brandy 1237 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:46.600 Orton will walk with walk out with both belts, which they could easily say. 1238 01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:50.319 It'd be the logical thing to say. They're saying, very specifically repeatedly 1239 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:55.399 someone they're guaranteeing someone to walk out with both belts. My theory, which 1240 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.000 I threw out as an absurd, sarcastic comment two weeks ago, was my 1241 01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:01.479 prediction mis Triple H win. Yeah, he's gonna walk in, tip over 1242 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:04.119 the ladder, scene it or get knocked out, or Triple H and scene 1243 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.520 and get knocked out. Triple H says, we can't have another finish of 1244 01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:10.760 a pay per view without a winner. I'm declaring myself eligible climbing the ladder. 1245 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.520 I am the true face of the company. Do you see that as 1246 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:18.640 a possibility? Absolutely? Okay, wow, Okay, that's as a possibility. 1247 01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:21.640 And do you like it about this? I do? I mean there's 1248 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:26.079 other things I've been thinking that somehow seen that they screw over Orton and seen 1249 01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:29.359 a walk out with those titles. I don't know, I'll just scenarios have 1250 01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:32.720 I've kind of played in my mind. So I definitely think the wording is 1251 01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:38.039 there for a reason. And this is a storyline that's not ending anytime soon, 1252 01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:42.800 so I would not expect conclusive, you know, finish without some kind 1253 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.920 of controversy out of this. Uh from KLC. And do you think Triple 1254 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:49.439 H against John Seen is a logical WrestleMania thirty main event if something like that 1255 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:54.600 happens one way or the other. I do think that that is definitely a 1256 01:23:54.960 --> 01:24:01.159 very logical. Yeah. And then brock Lesner Undertaker makes sense? And then 1257 01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:04.239 how about how about as far as Randy Orton or see I'm Punk and Daniel 1258 01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:06.680 Brian goes. Have you put that into where you think they land at Mania 1259 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.880 thirty. I mean, I would personally like to see Punks versus Brian, 1260 01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:13.239 but I don't know if that's going to happen. But that was that that's 1261 01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:15.720 where I'd like to ship. Yeah, obviously, obviously I'd like to also 1262 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.520 see Hungk versus Austin, but I don't know. I didn't get to talk 1263 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:23.000 to Steve Austin, so maybe you asked him that I did, and he 1264 01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:26.279 said he's not He's not wrestling at Mania thirty. He said it would be. 1265 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:30.199 He said that it would be a shot in the dark. He has 1266 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:32.039 a lot of things scheduled, he made. He sounded like, if I've 1267 01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:34.159 come back, I'm going to train, I'm going to do it right. 1268 01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:38.600 I'm gonna take bumps for six weeks in the rain to get ready. I'm 1269 01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:41.000 going to have to clear my schedule. And he says he's got a lot 1270 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:43.920 of things he likes that he's doing, and it's just it doesn't sound at 1271 01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:47.399 all like thirty is his ear is Hogan going to come back to WrestleMania away? 1272 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:51.840 Well, I think so, yeah, I mean I think it's you 1273 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:56.760 know, fifty eight percent chance. And then Wrestlming twenty five we were also 1274 01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:01.920 procl that could happen. How close? How close did that come to happening? 1275 01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:06.159 Very close? Yeah, like like we had planned the whole year around 1276 01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:11.520 that, and uh yeah, just kind of what happened instead? And what 1277 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:15.680 happened? Oh yeah, what happened instead of that? Was it like a 1278 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.399 triple thread or something like that? Yeah, like DRIs Big Show Versina. 1279 01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:24.560 Yeah, and it's so what what what do you remember about the Hogan deal 1280 01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:28.479 falling through? Oh? I do you remember that? You know that there 1281 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:30.720 was negotiation and Hogan, Hogan was in on it, and Sina was in 1282 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:33.479 for it. It was it was a go. And then I don't know 1283 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:36.800 how. I just remember one days telling us that it wasn't happening. Yeah, 1284 01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:40.880 yeah, yeah, Scena Edge in Big Show and then Triple Ah Randy 1285 01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:44.239 Orton was main event. That was the Undertaker Shawn Michael's match where where we 1286 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:47.159 said we want an undertaker, so Michaels to end the show. Everybody pushed 1287 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:50.800 for it, pushed for it, but uh, that didn't went out. 1288 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:56.720 Why not? I believe that that Triple H had a little bit to do 1289 01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.239 with that, and that the that the w W match should be the final 1290 01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:08.680 match of you know, yeah, despite Undertaker, Sean and Michael Hayes going 1291 01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.720 to events and and and you know, numerous you know, creative people, 1292 01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:15.279 writers producers saying that they think Taker and Seawan should do it, and they 1293 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:17.960 didn't put on last, and Taker and Sean stole the show a little bit 1294 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:23.159 too early, they did. I bet it was motivating for him. Oh 1295 01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:26.800 absolutely. I think that was definitely a motivating factor for those guys. And 1296 01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:28.880 you know, but you have to give it to Triple H. I mean, 1297 01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:30.760 he is so selfless, you know, whether he was in that match 1298 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:32.760 or not, you know, he'd been pushing for the title to be protected 1299 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.880 and put him last. You know that that he's looking out for the long 1300 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:39.199 term legacy. W W didn't nothing to do with him being in the main 1301 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:42.840 event, right, Oh. Absolutely, absolutely. He thinks that the heat 1302 01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:45.119 out of the title should be positioned as the last match of the and and 1303 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:47.640 it was hard Dart. I mean, there was a there was a bunch 1304 01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.760 of supporters on Triple A's side. I just I was personally invested I think 1305 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:57.880 in the Shawn uh Undertaker match from from a work standpoint, and I literally 1306 01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:00.840 believe that Shawn Michael is a grist rest of all time. So I said, 1307 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:03.399 he's gonna steal, He's gonna kind of had a feeling about it, 1308 01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:06.000 so it was. It was an amazing match, one of my favorite. 1309 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:12.479 Yeah, Chris, thank you so much. It's just always great to have 1310 01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.000 you on the show. Sorry for I'm dealing with Brian, uh, but 1311 01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:17.760 you have to deal with another Brian for a long time. So yeah, 1312 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:26.119 that's that's bad. That's bad transition, not not not my smoothest moment, 1313 01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:29.720 but whatever. Uh. People can follow you at it's a crazy Twitter handle, 1314 01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:31.800 but at christ Joseph right, Yeah, yeah, I've got a crazy 1315 01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:35.399 Twitter handle. It's my name. Yeah, yeah. By should I have 1316 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:41.840 something like like like really like crazy or like you know, like you should 1317 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:45.720 be the Christ to Joseph or you should be it was like real real Christian 1318 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:50.880 Joseph or r c J. Big Dick Johnson or do you want big job. 1319 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:54.119 I mean, that's not something you want to be associated with for the 1320 01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:59.199 rest of your life, especially especially when you have a professional career that you're 1321 01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:03.039 involved. They work in. You know, it's like I'll tell you sometimes 1322 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:06.560 you know something I like to go in. But it has actually helped me 1323 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:11.000 get some jobs. People are are interested, like, hell, I was 1324 01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:14.640 looking up your reason. Man, I come across a video. Can you 1325 01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:20.159 explain it? Usually? Yeah, it happens, unfortunately. Yeah, well, 1326 01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:25.520 internet lives forever. It's the thing. I mean, you just like 1327 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:28.520 the torch, you know, you've got all those things. Fans can access 1328 01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:30.920 it forever now. Yeah, so, Brian Kenneth, you want to spend 1329 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.079 a dollar. But apparently, apparently that lady who wrote a story for the 1330 01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:36.520 New York Daily News after talking to me for two hours is more authoritative than 1331 01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:40.479 than me. So can he can read the New York Daily News? And 1332 01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:43.880 well, I got to go before I get fired. So thanks, no, 1333 01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:45.039 no, let's talk some more. Let's let's let's make news here, 1334 01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:49.199 all right, Thanks Chris, I thank you for staying around, appreciate your 1335 01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:51.640 insight on all these topics of great week. Tab you on, and hopefully 1336 01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:55.279 we can do it again in twenty fourteen. Okay, but thanks man, 1337 01:28:55.439 --> 01:29:16.800 Happy Holadays invite you to email the show with feedback or questions or comments. 1338 01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:23.800 That email address is Wade Keller Podcast at petewtorch dot com. That's Wadekeller Podcast 1339 01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:27.399 at PW torch dot com. Also welcome your feedback on Twitter. 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