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time to get into this week's episode, this week's deep dive, which is
gonna be a little I think it's gonna be a little juicy. Yeah,
I think it's gonna be a little juicy. A lot of people don't know
that because I mean, we have some newbies and a lot of people don't
know that we've been doing this political thing for gosh almost fifteen years. Now.
We old and so can you believe we started doing this when we were
in our thirties like our that is mat it's crazy, like so it would
yeah like our Yeah, in our thirties, we were in our thirties.
We were I mean I was on the very tail end, but I mean
like still we were in our thirties, like we were Yeah, we were
there. We were still chick. We were still firm and supple. We
hadn't reached the hen stage. We hadn't or the reading glasses stage, like
now, I can't see you unless I have these on. And so back
then I had twenty twenty vision. I mean I had firm everything. Things
were up and not down. I mean it's everything was totally different back then,
as was I think maybe like politics wasn't completely different. But we have
seen things change over the past almost fifteen years. So one of the things
that got me thinking about this is the other day on our daily show,
I just, you know, just spontaneously shared a story about the Foo Fighters
because when we did our radio show in Indianapolis for almost eight years, we
used a food Fighter song as are like our show song, bumper music.
Yeah, it's not really our bump music. It was like our kickoff song.
It was like our theme song theme, yeah, theme a theme song,
and it kind of was. I remember our executive producer, he was
like, you know, what music do you like, and I remember I
said, I might have food Fighters is my favorite band, and you said,
Robbie Williams is my favorite singer. And of course we weren't going to
use Robbi Williams because nobody knew who the hell he was, and so he
obviously chose a food Fighter song, which is Walk. That's a song walk
as our theme music, and we we used it for years. I mean,
I think we probably used it for what like five or six years.
It was a long time at least, Yeah, yeah, and then some
ass hat got you know, wind of it, or he heard it.
I guess he was a liberal dude who heard it, and he just got
irritated by the fact that two conservative radio hosts women dared to use the song
at the beginning of their show. And I guess, you know, he
was somehow affiliated with the Food Fighters, and I don't think he was.
I think he just tweeted at their man, tweeted at their management, and
then their management was like, like, you can't do this. And so
we got a cease and desist from the Food Fighters to stop using the song
at the beginning of our show after using it for years, you know,
and so many people over those you know, the course of that with five
or six years, however long we used it, we're like, hey,
what's that song? I really like that song? We had given probably a
gajillion people just just a hat tip where that well gave the food Fighters a
hat tip for that song. So many people had never even heard of the
Foods, or they didn't know that the food sang that song, or they
loved that They ended up loving that song because of us. We gave them
so much. It was a tribute to them, and I love them.
I'd been my god, I'd probably been to I don't know, eight or
nine Food Fighters concerts over the years, and I love them so much.
So you have no idea how much that, Well you did, you knew
how much it broke my heart. But people out there have no idea how
much that broke my heart when we got that cease and desist, because it's
like your very favorite band, you just love so much, You've been to
their concerts, you bought the swag, you've like been invested, you've I
mean, you love them, and then you get a cease and desist from
the band and they're like, you can't use our song, you can't sit
at our table, Like you can't you just can't like our music kind of
a thing. I just was so heartbroken over that. I was so pissed.
I wanted to burn all their stuff. I didn't because I'm a rock
and roller and I was like, you know what, you guys are freaking
fascist, Like how dare you you call yourselves rock and roll people and then
tell two conservative moms that they can't rock and roll to your music, you
jerks, Dave Groll, and so I was just so pissed about that,
and that's what made me think, Okay, looking back over retrospectively over the
past almost fifteen years, like some of the stuff that's happened to us that
people just don't know about, you know, some of the neat, little
quirky stories and people that we've met and disappointment surprises, favorites non favorites along
the way, And I'm like, we should probably share some of those fun
stories because we've just never shared or just I don't think we've shared a lot
of the stories, like the food fighters thing, I don't think we've ever
really talked about very much, you know, in public. So I thought
that was kind of a quirky little story. Really pissed off with the foos.
If Dave Girl ever gets wind of this, which he'll never listen to
this podcast, but he has no idea how much he broke my heart and
how much I think he's a fascist, and like might never look at their
music the same now, and I'll never go to another one of their concerts
again. And the very first concert I ever took my our son to was
the FOS when he was fourteen years old, and that like they have no
idea, Like how that changed my whole perspective of the food of them,
of music, of the music industry, Like what jerks, you know,
Well, it's just so dumb when any musician does this, when they tell
any political can anybody or any show whatever whoever, they say, you can't
use my song, even though you love it and you are using it to
promote me, you can't use it because I disagree with you politically. That's
just freaking lane. It's fascism. That's fascism, you jerks. So that
was really irritating. So I started thinking to myself, like when we first
went into radio, that first day we were on the radio. Do you
remember our first day on the air. It was a Saturday because we had
a Saturday show first before we were on Drivetime, and we went on the
air, and that chick who screamed at us the first day. We'll never
forget it. And it should be said that we had no intention starting our
careers or even starting our website. We never would have dreamed in a million
years that we would get a radio show. Radio was not in our background.
It was nothing we ever knew about. We were doing our first show,
terrified. We'd had like what two or three practice shows that were not
even you know, they were just with a producer, and then we were
just going to be thrown into the wolves on a Saturday live show. So
we were already super nerve terrified. Yeah, we were pretty terrified. So
we get on the air and I remember, you know, I was on
one side, you're on the other. We had a board op. I
think there's a board op in there. I'm pretty sure because we kid we
didn't run the board. Yeah, Craig was in there, That's right.
Craig was in there, and god, Craig. I remember Craig. So
remember we made him play blurb all the time. Yeah, we were just
ridiculous. The bump music. Don't come after us, Robin, don't do
it. But yes, Craig was in there. And I remember talking about
Obama. I was talking about Obama, and I was talking about the fact
that I thought it was odd that he called himself exclusively a black man because
he is in fact biracial, which is true. He's it's true, he's
a biracial man. And I thought it was odd because the person who raised
him was a white woman, which is also true. There's nothing just non
factual about that. And you know, I thought it was odd because his
dad abandoned them basically, or his dad wasn't around the white woman, the
white his white mother raised him. And so but I thought it was odd
that he sort of just rejected the whiteness in him and then he just took
on the persona of a black man. And I'm like, well, that's
weird because there are a lot of biracial kids out there who would have loved
to have been able to say, that's the first biracial president, you know
what I mean. So I made that point, and man, that woman
during the break she came in, she busted in, and I guess,
she's a black woman married to a white man and she just let me have
it, which is weird. Well, and she worked in our newsroom like
she was an actual employee of the same radios. Time came in and started
screaming at me, at us because I had the audacity to say that because
she was raising two boys who she considered to be black. I guess even
though her husband is white, right, so she was doing the same thing
as Obama and she was trying to make the point terribly by the way that
it was perfectly legitimate for Obama to do what he was doing. And she
was like sem and she was holding up her family picture and we were like,
so, so like what what? I'm like, your can't why are
you right? This makes no sense? Your boys are beautiful, but you're
making a shit point because I like, I don't understand what and literally just
screening and we had what like three minutes to get on the air and get
ourselves situated for like the second segment that we were doing in Our Lives Live.
I mean, it was just so nerve wracking. That was the worst.
So I heard that was like our our introduction into being on the radio,
and it was terrifying and like being thrown on basically being thrown into a
hot fire. I just remember that day was I thought, do we have
to do this every day? Because I don't know if I can handle this,
like my blood pressure, and I was I did not know this was
going to happen like every single day. I don't know. And we were
not. I remember we took like a pay cut from both of our regular
jobs just to do radio. We both took like a fifty percent cut in
pay, and I thought, I don't know if I'm cut out for this.
I don't know if I am. This is crazy. So yeah,
that was our introduction into radio and it was crazy, but then it ended
up being super fun and it did and there was some karma there because ultimately
she was fired not for that reason, but just because she was kind of
an awful person. She got fired, and then the company that she went
to work for, which was a liberal rag, ended up going out of
business. They really did. Karma is a bitch. Karma's a real bitch.
Yeah. So then we ended up doing radio for you know, eight
years, almost eight years, and it was super fun. Radio was awesome.
I mean, you can't I don't know, you can't even express how
much fun that job. It was like working at a giant frat house where
you get to like hang out with your best friends and then just do exactly
what you love every single day. But we had some really cool interviews and
then we had some really terrible interviews. I would say, like, who
who would you say would be your favor the favorite people like person or people
that we interviewed in radio specifically, well, just any in general over the
past, like in the past. I mean, I guess podcasting too.
If you want to use podcasting as a okay to, Yeah, that makes
it easier because I you know, we talked to like we had regular segments
in radio with Denesh Desusa, with Todd Starns. Those were always fun.
But when you look at I feel like we've and actually we interviewed Megan Kelly
back in our radio days, which was that was a really big gipp and
I loved it was a big get. Yeah. But I would say for
favorites, like of all time, there are so many people that I have
loved having us having on with us, Like Zoobie one of my all time
favorites. Great love having Zubie. I loved having Rick Grenell. I felt
like that was such a good intera that we had with him. Rand Paul
was another one that he was fantastic. Yeah, I loved having him.
I loved way back in the early days when we talked to Blair White.
Yeah, she was a phenomenon. She was that was awesome. Yes,
she was great. She was really great. Oh and then remember when we
did we did like as soon as Brandon Struck got released from prison, essentially
when he came on our show to tell us his story of that entire thing,
like being rated and being arrested and all that stuff, that is such
a powerful, powerful episode. I just love that. And then anytime we
talked to Dave Rubin, I think it's it's really fun because he's just very
like he is super fun, really super fun, I would say, and
like back in the day in Radio two. Of the ones that stick out
for me the very first one because it just has such a tide in my
childhood and I and I usually don't get starstruck when we do that because I'm
just not really a big like, oh my god, it's a celebrity.
I'm like losing my mind and I God, I just don't get that way
with people. I just don't. Maybe I should, but I just don't.
I'm like whatever, they put their pants on the same way that everybody
else. But Dennis Miller was a really big deal for me. Like when
we talked to Dennis Miller, I was like, holy shit, we're talking
to Dennis Miller. Like that's so. Then we met him and he was
love. We met him in person, like we did. He like held
her I mean, I just I was like kind of starstruck with him.
And I think it's because, you know, I remember watching him when I
was a kid, and I just loved him and he's such a smart guy,
and yeah, and he was. And I think also because he was
so dear to us, like he treated us with such respect and he gave
us a lot of time, and yeah, I really liked him a lot.
The dirty Jobs guy. Oh Mike Rowe, Yes, I love that
member when he sang his opera God, I love Mike Rowe spent forty five
minutes on the phone with us one day, and he would have spent longer.
I mean, he was incredibly dear to us. He did not have
to do that. And so it just shows you, like you could tell
people who have character, you know, who are just decent human beings.
And I think Dennis Miller is a decent human being. I think Mike Rowe
is a decent human being. So those two stick out to me as being
just like normal people who have become famous, and thank god they stayed kind
of normal, you know what I mean, those are two people who stuck
stick out that we have had just the absolute blessing to be able to talk
to you. And then the third one that sticks out to me, which
I thought was just a really cool person to be able to interview because she
is historical, is wanting to broadbrig Remember when we got to interview her and
we got to ask her all sorts of questions and that that was cool because
I remember, you know, being right out of college and all that stuff
happening, and like her name getting thrown around, and it was just cool,
like being an adult and being like, wow, I get to interview
her, Like she's just a part of history, and she's in history.
You know, she'll be a part of history that I'm sure my daughter will
read about and I'll be able to go I interviewed her once, you know,
like that's and she was also very dear to us well. And the
sucky thing about some of those is that they're gone forever, right because the
radio station doesn't archive those. And it just makes me sick to my stomach
that those interviews are just gone. They're just they're gone. They're right,
you're right. I hate that too, and I hate that they don't archive.
I know. That just drives me crazy. And then the last one
that I thought was really cool? Is we got to talk to Alvida King?
Yeah, I mean it's Alvita freaking King, you know, you know,
like she's it's Alvita King. You know, it's just so cool we
got to talk to her. I mean, how neat is that right?
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it gets a dirty. Well, here's the thing. Instead of like picking
my least favorite interviews, actually my top least favorite interview is Ron DeSantis because
it never never had so that's number. Oh my god, I love that.
Yeah, because he's he just says ignored us because we're just totally ignorous.
But I will say tied for second place is every single person. And
I wrote some of them down because I remember them off my list, and
not because they were bad interviews, because they were on for the most part,
delightful. Anybody that we've interviewed who hasn't had the common courtesy to simply
retweet their appearance, you are on my shit list. That includes people like
Sarah Sanders, like Ainsley Earhart, like Shannon Bream, like Riley Gaines,
like hung Cow even I mean people that we have loved talking to who have
just decided, well, we got your audience, you don't get to have
any of ours. That's shitty. Yeah, and I don't like any of
those people. Yeah, well, I mean I get it. I get
it. I mean I totally get that because a lot that has been very
disappointing to me, Like there's a there's some there's a trend at least towards
us in this industry where we are not as popular as some of these people,
and so they feel like they can just come take our audience and move
on. It's like sleeping with the girl that is, you know that's not
so popular and they're just like I can just discard her and move on.
That's literally who we are in this industry. And that gets really freaking old
that I hate that too. That happens to us all the time. And
our audience all the time. And our audience is awesome. We have a
fantastic audience, and we have a really great following, and we have we
have big numbers, which is why they like our show. But we're not
Daily Wire, we're not Bright Bart, We're not you know, like Turning
Point. We're not one of those big ones. And so they're like,
well, we'll use their audience and then we don't have to retweet or do
anything else these girls, because you know, they're just whatever, they're just
the chicks on the right, doesn't matter, and so that's how we're treated
and that pisses me off. So it's like I always say, we're sort
of like the Romian Michelle Man. We're the Romeian Michelle of the conservative industry.
That gets a little It does get a little old. And it started
I don't know where, Like I don't know why that phenomenon started, but
it kind of started like right around the time we wrote our book, like
when we wrote our book. We wrote that it's a damn good book,
and we didn't really get even a lot of the help. No offense against
the people that we worked with, even at MS, but we really didn't
even get a lot of the help that we thought we were going to get
propping up that book and helping to promote it from the people that surrounded us
at that time, you know what I mean. Yeah, I thought it
would be a much bigger deal, especially because our radio station at the time
owned the local Indianapolis magazine, Indianapolis Monthly, and they were utterly un and
I'm like, we work in your building. It's crazy. Why would you
not want to at least do a little profile on the fact that these two
just like suburban now rural, but like suburban rural moms who wrote a book
and who had like this explosion of popularity. I feel like that's a it's
a historical interest, that's a human interest story. And they were just like,
I'm sorry you are yeah, And they'd be like, I'm sorry,
We're gonna go ahead and just put like cupcakes on our cover this month because
people are more interested in like the cupcake explosion in the city and we'd be
like, what the hell, yeah, because it's it was just a really
weird It was a weird time for us because we just thought, okay,
it's And I think a lot of it had to do with one that they
wanted to ignore conservatism because conservatives were you know, oh my god, conservatives
now. And two we're conservative women, you know, And I don't think
they just knew what to do with us. The conservative women thing. I
think conservative women as a whole have always just been sort of pushed to the
side, and so that maybe that was part of it. But we were
we were surrounded by dudes. I think if it were dudes, they would
have elevated the dudes. I hate to pull the sexiest card, but I
mean, I think that was part of it. They just don't know what
to do with conservative women that have opinions, as evidenced by the two guys
we've put in jail, you know, because we put we've put dudes in
prison, you know, because and that has not happened to our male counterparts.
It didn't happen to our male counterparts on the radio at least they didn't
have those issues we had. You know, there was a local guy that
we put in prison who stalked us. And then well and unfortunately he didn't
go to prison. He was arrested, but like and we had a restraining
order, but he was a mental health case and so they just were like,
here's all this mess. That's true. We had I feel free to
threaten people. It's a good point. We had restraining orders against him,
which is a piece of paper and so it just basically means like until he
tries to kill you, you can't do anything. So that was fun for
us. And he was local and he was like an ex football player.
The guy was huge and so he was and he had a stalking history.
He stopped Monica cell Us. I mean, the guy was like, so
we were in great company. So there was that. And then the other
guy was a guy that was in Texas and they had to before you were
there, before I was here, and so that was you know, but
he actually went to prison. We actually put him. He went for three
years, right, And so that's the thing. So women, you know,
it's different for women that it is for men, at least in this
industry. And you know, that's why we get a little briskly when people
are like I Listen, I totally agree with everything you say, but I
just don't want to like say it out loud. And it's like, I
mean, we get it, but we totally get We put ourselves out there
too, and we've done it to the to the extent that people have,
you know, stopped us and wanted to kill us. And so we understand.
And we're not even that popular. So I can only imagine like that,
I can only imagine the death threats that say, like a Tommy Larren
or a you know, a Dana Lash or somebody like that. Well,
Dana had to move right, like she had to like move to a whole
other house. I mean, people are insane. And what we've learned,
unfortunately, is that a lot of the insanity comes from the right conservative It's
not just liberals who want to kill you and who issue the death threats.
It is conservatives who just get mad at you for whatever reason, whether you're
not paying enough attention to them or whatever they are side. That's true.
Yeah, Mack is right. It's not just the liberals. It's the conservatives
who got They get pissed off, they get really really mad. So that's
another thing that we like a whole breed of people. Yeah, that's a
whole other thing that we've learned. Yeah, and then you know, another
thing is I think one of the things too that I've I've learned over the
year is just kind of going back to interviews and stuff like that, is
everybody thinks that Fox is the end all be all. I just I don't
know. I think the two people that I really liked at Fox were Rachel
what's her last name Campos Duff. Yes, I really liked her. She
was darling. She was so sweet to us, very very nice to us.
She's probably like the She and Ainslie were probably the nicest to us.
I don't know if Rachel would share our stuff if we ever interviewed her.
I don't think anybody at Fox has ever. Has anybody at Fox ever shared
our stuff? Has anybody at Fox ever? Brian kill me, Brian kill
me, be very nice about sharing, that's true, Brian kill me.
Yeahs, Yeah, you're right. He's probably been like the one person and
he had us on his radio show, like when we were doing our book
tour thing. That's he was very bad, That's right, Brian kill me.
It is a stand up dude. That's right, but like, but
Fox, it's so interesting. Everybody thinks Fox is sort of like the end
all be all, but I don't, you know, I don't know if
I if I believe that anymore. Like it's over the past fifteen years,
we've seen it sort of become like the you know, the the Holy Grill,
like everybody wants to get on Fox, and I don't think it's that
anymore. I think that if if I weren't, I just it's not like
you and I don't really care about that. It's like we don't really care,
but oh my god, we have to be on Fox. I think
maybe if you would have asked us that, you know, twelve thirteen years
ago, we would be like, oh, that's really cool to get on
Fox. Now we're kind of like now we just rather podcast. Thanks.
Well, because it's a lot of work, I mean, all the makeup
and like it's just a it's TV is exhausting and I cannot am in awe
of the people who do that as a full time job day and I could
never yeah, especially like we did. We did a couple hit, well,
we did a couple of hits when we did our book tour and the
CNN make it people were awful, Yeah, terrible, and and Coulter and
tell the story about Ann Coulter and then we can like, well, I
mean she just you know, she was on There was a guy who retired
from radio. His name is Greg Garrison, and we were on his show
as part of his show like once a week, and it was like his
woman day of the week, So we had all kinds of female guests on
one day of the week, and and culture was usually right before us,
and so you know, she he would always, he would always, she
would definitely hear that we like existed in the world right right. And so
we happened to be at CNN at the same on the same evening we were
both going to be interviewing with Don Lemon. We arrived into this teeny tiny,
itsy bitsy green rooms like a half the size of my dining room,
tato tiny literally a half bath. Yeah, And we walk in and she
is sitting there along with another woman whose name I'll never remember, but like
familiar, right, like some other TV sort of person, And they were
sitting together on one couch and then there was a couch across the coffee table
from them. Again like we're me to me almost right, you would think
when you open the door and then two people who are sitting there talking,
clear it's a teeny room. When that door opens, you at least look
up and sort of just acknowledge the fact that two humans are entering the same
tiny room the polite thing to do. They did not even break their conversation
for a second, Like, they did not acknowledge us in any way.
So it was super weird and uncomfortable. We sit across the table from them
and we're literally just staring at them, like willing them to pay attention to
us in some way, anything else you can do in that tiny little room.
I mean, it's like we couldn't help. It was so weird.
Yeah, and so it's at one point it became so weird that like you
and I just started openly talking about how weird it was, and they kept
just talking louder to each other, just making it we're making fun of them.
In real time. We were just like we're basically saying to each other,
this is so freaking weird, Like what in the hell is going on?
Like we're saying we're basically saying that to each other. And then we're
tex I was waiting for Ashton Cusher. I was like, are we Like,
what the hell has happened? What's going on? Like we're saying that
in real time to each other, and then we're like texting our husbands going
what the hell is going on? Like this is so odd. We're getting
ready to go on with Don Lemon. This is like, I don't We're
in a like we're being punked. What is happening. It was the craziest
thing. And then she ends up she was before us, right, and
so like we go. We're then in the makeup room and she's on with
Don Leman and we're in the makeup room. You went to the bathroom for
a second. I had to get that. I'm in the makeup room.
I don't even think I peed. I just needed to get the hell out
of that room. Yeah, so I'm I'm waiting for our thing. You're
in the bathroom and and Culture's hit gets done, so she comes back in
to get like make up off, and finally it was just she still didn't
acknowledge me. But I finally said, Hey, Greg Garrison, who's the
guy that we were on the radio show with together? I said, Greg
Greg says hi, and then all of a sudden, she lights up and
like she recognizes that I too am a human being and so and so she's
like, oh my god, Oh my god, Greg. And then and
then we had like sort of this civil conversation. But I'll just never look
at her the same way, like I'll never I just was like, you
are not all that, like I am not just a speck of dirt on
the floor. You can recognize that you're amongst another human being. It was
awful. Yeah, Like that was just the call because you had to mention
Greg Garrison's name for her to be like, the only way you're not an
alien from planet Gleeborg. Okay, Yeah, it was just like we know
somebody in comment. Oh my gosh, I guess I better be Niceyes,
I need to say hi to you now so I don't look like a complete
hag. Yeah. It was just yeah, it was just horrific. That
was a that was awful, that whole situation and then the makeup people were
terrible and just yeah, everything that the book tour was very eye opening for
us because you got to learn like who was awful in the I mean,
CNN was awful the Fox people. I mean, John Lemon was actually very
nice. He was then, but there's no way I'd want to go on
his show now if he still had a show, Oh my god, he
would be horrific because he changed over the years. But at that time he
was okay. And plus he had a cold that night. I think his
guard was down, you know what I mean. It's just the whole thing.
And makeup people were just terrible to us. They were just terrible Fox
people. If you ever want to get makeup done professionally, go get your
your makeup done by Fox people, because they just make you look like a
million bucks for real. You guys, they were in your hair. I
mean they're nice, they're super nice people. Yeah, so there's that.
There's an insights here anyway. So that's that's some scoop. I mean,
I don't that's that's some scoop. That's some scoop on Like, we could
have like a whole other show about people that we are no longer on particularly
good with, and you've probably heard some of the names, or you've just
recognized that by omission, we don't like to talk about them, and so
maybe someday we'll do a show about Yeah, yeah, we'll think about doing
that because I mean you could. Yeah, like you said, you can
probably already tell just because we don't talk about them and they don't talk about
us. Yeah, it's fine, it's right. We'll probably get to the
point, like when we're in about five years and we just give no f's
and we'll just start we'll just start going like full Elmo scorched Earth, and
we just won't care anymore. We'll just start naming names. Yeah. Anyways,
you guys that did