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now is Nate Fisher. He is
a CEO of a new founding and this

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is bringing together people who are entrepreneurs, people who are venture capitalists to fund

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this. But he's got some very
interesting ideas about setting up a parallel society.

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How do we take back our society. We've had all of our institutions

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taken over, and when we look
at it from a business standpoint or educational

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standpoint, we all understand the institutions
have been taken over, used against us.

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So how do we build a society
when we have nowhere else to go?

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Right? We can't immigrate to another
place, so we build it parallel

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here. So joining us now is
Nate Fisher. Thank you for joining us,

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sir, Thanks for having me.
Good to be here. It's great

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to talk about this subject. And
you know, when we look at this,

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as many people pointed out, the
Marxists decided that they were going to

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market to the institutions. They've pretty
much done that, and they've pretty much

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taken over everything. And we have
a situation now where we're being canceled left

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and right. What do we do
about this? What are you setting up

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here to help people essentially transcend?
What is set up here? In other

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words, you're kind of oriented more. I think when I look at your

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site, you're more oriented towards solutions
that are going to come up with something

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new that's going to transcend it,
rather than going back and trying to desperately

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take back these institutions that have been
taken over. We create our own new

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institutions that are going to transcend it. Am I correct about that? That

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is that gets to the core,
And I'll what I'll say is to me

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and I use the parallel economy language
at times I think is helpful to what

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a lot of people understand. Ultimately, I think necessarily can do is for

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us to have institutions that aren't captured
by the left. A winning condition,

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a desirable one, is for us
to actually gain the power to take back

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these institutions. But my view is
we're not going to do that. It's

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just it is an absolute grind to
do that in spaces where everything is an

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uphill battle. I mean, you're
playing by their rules. The entire design

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of bureaucracy is something that reflects the
rules of the left. It is a

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managerial approach to organizations. So my
approach is, either way, we should

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be doing this there's huge opportunities through
the business sector and particularly through disruptive technology.

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So high level, if our enemies
control every segment of society, every

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institution, which to a large extent
they do, then rather than playing on

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a playing field that they control,
the place that we should be focused more

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than anything else is the place where
there's the leverage if you succeed reshuffle the

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deck in important ways. I mean, think of it, if we were

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able to get if we were able
to build the next Google, or even

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better, not just the next Google, but something that is to Google as

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much bigger than Google is than Google
was than some of the predecessors that it

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displaced. And you look at the
way technology evolves and there is likely to

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be a disruptor that is that significant
in the future and then not to just

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in future, in the coming decade. So if we were able to get

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control of things at that scale,
then that lets us not only create entire

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ways of navigating the world that are
not under that thumb, but also also

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really platforms that offer us the leverage
to potentially puts on the same pressure on

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those institutions that the Left was able
to put on them when they capture them

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and of course, you know,
when we look at that, first thing

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that comes to my mind is artificial
intelligence. Is people are looking at this

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and saying, well, is this
a Google killer? There's going to be

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something If it's not that, there's
going to be something that has the potential

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to do that, even though they
have a great deal of money. And

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so when you're looking at this and
you're coming at it, I should have

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said from the very beginning, coming
at this from a Christian perspective, not

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just a politically conservative perspective. You
talk about how do we catechize the bots?

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You know, how do we get
they are setting up artificial intelligence,

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they're training it as you would train
up a child, but it's going to

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be a monster once it grows up. How do we take over that?

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And how do we leverage, let's
say, for example, artificial intelligence,

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you know, how do we use
that to bolster ourselves rather than become a

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victim to it. So I think
you hit on a very interesting point that

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I'll elaborate on, which is Christian
not just conservative. And I think a

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challenge that conservatives have faced, and
it's really impeded our ability to deal with

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technology, is in some sense conservatism
conservatism sidesteps some of the fundamental questions of

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where we should go and folk design. It allows us to avoid some of

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what are really pretty serious debates and
divides within the movement. Are things that

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need to be hatched out, and
it sticks to conserving good things of the

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past, things we can all agree
are good. The problem with that is

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that side that gives us a very
little vision about what we should be aiming

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for, and it leads to conservatives
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if you think about it, if
your goal is to preserve good things

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in the past, technology is inherently
your enemy. Technology guarantees that those there

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is going to be an erosion,
a creative destruction of many of the good

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traditions, good norms that we all
agree are good. That's happened throughout history,

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and so there's sort of a natural
suspicion of technology among conservatives. But

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what it also leads to is also
leads to our just our failure to play

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in that space, our failure to
come up with a vision for what.

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So technology is going to continue to
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The question I would say is what
should that be used for what should

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be the vision that we try to
create with that technology, And if we're

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not in that playing field at all, the left is the only one defining

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that. So it's no surprise that
they so surprised that a lot of new

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technology is built and sort of the
left fills that void. They're the only

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ones even trying to catechize to bots, and they end up taking over the

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domains disrupted by technology even more than
the past ones. But as a Christian

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we don't have to be a limited
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I do have fundamental answers to this. I believe that we have a very

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clear dominion mandate. What does dominion
look like God calls us to that.

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We have a very clear understanding of
the person. What is the right vision

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of technology that complements the person.
The creation of technology is one of the

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most fundamentally human processes that in many
ways sort of parallels God's creation of the

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world. It is a creating something
out of nothing, and I think we

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can embrace that. And if we
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technology is something that we don't to
be afraid of, something that we actually

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have. We can develop a positive
vision for what we should be aiming for,

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and it's one of the most powerful
levers we have available to to change,

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reshuffle kind of a world that right
now seems stacked against us, to

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disrupt our opponents in many ways.
So is AI a component of that.

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I think AI could be a component
of that. I'm probably a little more

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of an AI I won't say I'm
an AI customist. I'm not worried about

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AI the way some of these people
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to be as as transformative as some
people assume, Like I don't believe that

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AGI is going to is going to
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That comes back to my view of
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as as people made an image of
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the material being. So I think
that I think an understanding of AI and

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understanding of human nature actually will allow
us to develop AI that is actually complementary

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to humans, which is ultimately going
to be a more effective use of the

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technology than if you believe it's going
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going to lead to all sorts of
I think, confusion about what it can

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be and probably unfulfilled promises, just
like driverless cars remain an unfulfilled, unfulfilled

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promise at a large scale. So
I think a proper understanding it of technology,

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well, what it does is absolutely
these algorithms do play an enormous role

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in helping us navigate the world.
Whether it's sort of what are seen as

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AI algorithms today or other curation algorithms, whether it's the Google algorithm, whether

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it's sort of yelped setting where you
eat dinner or whatever, they play a

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role in navigating the world, and
we do need to catechize them with our

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values, like our positive vision should
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these algorithms help scale. I agree
when we look at it fundamentally, technology

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as a tool, and it can
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one of the things that I've noticed, because I come from this from an

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engineering background, and it always concerned
me an engineering because it was so secular.

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I would see so many engineers who
would just simply see it as a

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puzzle to be solved, and they
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be used, who was going to
use it, or for what purpose.

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And I always had a problem with
that and I guess it kind of came

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to a head when I talked to
Hugo Degaris, who was a developer of

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artificial intelligence early on. I think
he's retired now, but he said he

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would pose the question to his scientific
audiences and say he was not a believer,

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and so he said, well,
I think that we're going to create

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something that is a godlike intelligence and
it may wind up killing us. Would

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you do that? And he would
ask his audience, it would be scientists

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and engineers, and they would always
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say yes. He did that at
a Christian conference that I was speaking at,

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and he said this was the first
time that people said no. And

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so I think when Christians look at
a tool like this, or a technology

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or a group of companies and you
see where these people are coming from,

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your reaction is to push back away
from it, rather than to say,

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maybe there's a tool that we could
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values, which is what I think
you're talking about. Well, and I

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think you can go back to Genesis
and you can see that God called us

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to dominion over the earth. We
are called to a great deal of transformation

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and impact. I think it comes
down to the intent. Would you create

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a godlike intelligence A that's not possible. You're gonna fail. God has more

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power. What they're doing is they're
paralleling what was done at the Tower of

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Babble. They're trying to create something
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And it was very obvious that God
thoroughly frustrated their plans. They have they

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have no understanding of the power that
they're they're up against. It's a feudal

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task. They failed. But at
the same time, that is that has

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been an impulse of man since the
dawn of time. That's right. And

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yet you know when we look at
this, if we looked at the Tower

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of Babbel, for example, and
say, well, your purpose is evil

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and I don't want to be involved
in that venture. But we can look

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at this and say, but I
like the way that you braced this.

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You know, you've got to do
construction technique that I've not seen here before.

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I think I can use that to
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rebellion to God. And so I
think that's really where we need to be.

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And I think, you know,
when Reagan talked about the evil empire.

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He would say, well, we're
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think that needs to be our attitude, that we're going to build something that

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is better, that we can build
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you know, I understand people looking
at this kind of arrogant attitude as you

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talk about, kind of a tower
Babbel attitude, this pride, this godlessness

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that is out there, and our
first instinct, is Christians, is to

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just totally reject it and walk away, rather than looking at this and saying,

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well, this could be dangerous to
us, this is a tool that

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could be used against us. There
are things here that we could use that

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would be good to good and you
know, they may have meant it for

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evil, but let's see what we
can do to use this for good.

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And that's a tricky thing to do, but I think that what you're trying

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to do is apply Christian principles in
that space to do something like that.

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Is that correct, absolutely, And
I think I think there's sort of there's

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a several folds. So one of
the one of the projects that I found

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it is called American Reformer, and
it's a nonprofit focused on restoring and revitalizing

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Protestant thinking and traditional Protestant thought,
which has a rich tradition of addressing a

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lot of these questions. I mean, the Protestant Reformation really built on the

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printing press, very new technology,
very very early, is a great deal

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of leverage. So it's certainly a
tradition that understands how to use technology.

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But it's I think a lot of
that thought, a lot of the deeper

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thought there has been lost in the
Evangelical Church today and really just a sort

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of culture that hasn't emphasized. It's
it's part of our tradition, just as

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Catholics have a lot of thinking in
that space, and so part of it.

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And then the goal is to revitalize
revitalized Christian institutions. Part of the

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goal is can we revitalize a church
that can lead the way and provide the

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thought that can help shape and anchor
any vision. And then I see venture

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and a venture firm as a really
great platform for sort of articulating this vision

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or at least taking sort of the
first stabs of what a positive vision of

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technology should look like, which includes
our focus is particularly on those where there's

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going to be sort of a meaningful
political difference. Typically, think of something

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where that the early adopters would be
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are the first communities to come to
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are economically motivated and such, but
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Quakers likewise, early adopters of the
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a lot of situations where if you
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too is it is it built to
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case, that case we wouldn't be. But it is actually technology that offers

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things that we value greater decentralization that
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sort of a dissonent minority can be
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adopters, and as a result,
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the Google disruptor, let's say,
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because we can get the early adopters
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around reaching people like that with a
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superior product in many ways. It
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able to they're aiming to make it
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that fits your values, includes access
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to force the facts on you or
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fine, but there's other cases where
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technology that is maybe it's initially serving
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to move on and disrupt the disrupt
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focus. I see venture as the
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taking some stabs at some of the
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then working with entrepreneurs who are really
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a particular domain and working out an
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great deal of change in the homeschooling
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corrupted and controlled the schools are as
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seems to me like there'd be a
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are very dissatisfied with this corrupt medical
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seems to me like the is an
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advantage of this, have a completely
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a big desire for people to be
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controlled, in many cases, kidnapping
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overpriced, and it is very authoritarian
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people do not regard as safe or
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like there's a real desperation out there
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as a lot of people who refuse
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medical professionals and would like to be
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of the other ideas that you have
about parallel society. You have opportunities for

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people to invest into the venture capital
funding. Is that correct? As well

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as you know, investing in companies
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about that. Yes, so we
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and in some ways the fundamental theme
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to be very public about a vision
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people are drawn to, but far
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sector companies who recognize the problems,
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but they're not going to fly that
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right opportunity comes along. And sometimes
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someone else, let's say it a
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of people coming to us, a
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lot of messages LinkedIn Twitter forms,
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some of whom are people who are
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their desires. And then fundamentally a
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together the matches, figure out what
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valuable, and what they need and
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way we've sort of organized this into
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have a fund. We've launched a
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a platform that is become very popular
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so it's one that it's one that is

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not likely to censor us. They
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that we put out there. And
it's a it's called a rolling fund where

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people can come in on a quoter
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high net worth accredited but not I
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raise from that and then invest that
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model. But we're going to provide
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a lot of investors because we because
we have this network. So we invested

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in this probaly Felt insurance company where
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be investing in another company very soon
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both cases we're able to really do
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potential partners, advise them on how
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it's just not well. You can't
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hey, I want to I want
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or if they do, they'll have
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ad networks, you can't there's no
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these people, it ends up being
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how to reach different independent podcast advertisers, influencers, other partnerships, often creative

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or earned media efforts. So we're
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people that understand their audience. You
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moving away from away from sort of
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just about it's not just about sort
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sort of traditionally like liberal values.
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sort of the corruption of the whole
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how they think about it. We
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for involvement, people can invest in
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invest the money in companies in this
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to desired partner for companies that fit
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more things. So we do we
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actually participants in the founding of the
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fund, like we write a check
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ownership state we end up splitting.
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as new founding will actually be effectively
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that's going to be done in a
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to add. Maybe it's not it's
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same level as the capital intensity,
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much more about some of the business
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we'll actually help help launch it.
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can think of the sort of investment
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just helped advise on a deal that
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acquisition by some people we've been working
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this opportunity to buy this company,
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and have investment bankers who have been
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to provide just significant advice and execution
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do we'll do talent placements. We
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is our talent network where people can
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for our network, and we talk
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for good people who are going to
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them, we can help fill their
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you can see all of them,
there's a lot of making matches and there's

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a lot of providing that business and
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the board trying to just accelerate the
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think that's very important because you know, when we look at where we are

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right now, as you were saying, when you're describing this, there's a

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lot of people whose values are aligned
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out. You know, this is
you know, the danger of how extensive

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the takeover has been of our institutions
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culture and censorship and that type of
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some kind of a clearinghouse in a
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kind of a parallel structure here,
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even though they're nothing criminal about it, it is still kind of has to

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be kind of underground in order to
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is there. It truly is amazing
to see how rapidly this has been put

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in and how it's going to accelerate. I think, so, how do

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you see the future of business and
a digital age like this where there is

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a lot of centralized control. You
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we look at the internet initially,
the rise of the personal computer. I'm

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old enough that I began when it
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what an amazing liberation now that we
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way for a while, but then
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like that, they were able to
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re establish the centralized control. Again, what do we do to get away

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from this centralizing trend? Very good
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know exactly how any disruptive technology plays
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sort of at the macro level,
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are the factors that are likely to
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is, yes, certainly, the
web two point zero the social media was

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a sharp divergence from what was seen
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which was all about liberation and really
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think that what Facebook Facebook in particular
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in playing a role in the election
of Trump, was shocking to a lot

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of people in Silicon Valley because it
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to lead in a progressive direction the
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Facebook's mission was to make the world
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lo and behold, what does that
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large, very frustrated group in the
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whose messages have been shut out of
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knew how to play that media very
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movement to grow rapidly, just like
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in many ways, even the sort
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things up. What you saw was
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very political group, realized they needed
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to impose censorship. But then you've
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buying Twitter has certainly been a I
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remain open. I don't know exactly
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very good reasons why. I think
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have to and I believe he realizes
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war with the regime fundamentally, or
he will never achieve his goals if he

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has to impose, if he has
to impose dei HR policies, he's never

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going to get to Mars. And
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a reason that there's a reason for
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vision would fully align with minus another
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who are going to recognize that they
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one of these digital platforms is almost
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he is acting as a sort of
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of what was essentially a digital government
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society in many ways. I mean, you look at the trend, spent

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a long time outside I spent a
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in twenty fifteen, talking to had
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a sense of global patterns, global
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more than anything, sort of what
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societies were. And the distressing thing
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in the same direction. So in
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trust institutions increasingly, that means they
don't trust the truth that comes out of

409
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.759
universities. It'll be I think,
a slower process, but they won't trust

410
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:41.319
the credentials of those universities. Print
they certainly don't trust government arders of truth.

411
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.039
Increasingly, they honestly even trust the
big centralized platforms. And there's also

412
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:49.359
sort of the collapse of trust at
the basic level, like just less confidence

413
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:53.559
that some sort of stranger you do
business with is going to follow through,

414
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:59.279
is going to be competent. So
what does that mean. It means that

415
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.079
trust is going to be scarce.
And so the way I look at it

416
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:11.799
is we Christian conservatives particularly have communities
often organized around churches. Church communities there

417
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.240
remain sort of distinct higher trust communities
where they have a different set of norms,

418
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:21.079
they reject some of the dynamics that
are driving this job. In many

419
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:27.000
cases, they just continue to they
continue to build relationships and community in a

420
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:32.480
way that is increasingly scarce in an
atomized world. And so these communities now

421
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.880
have something that is going to become
scarcer and scarcer and more valuable in society.

422
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.440
And that is how exactly things play
out is harder to predict, but

423
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.920
that is an asset that we can
recognize is going to become more and more

424
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.680
strategically valuable. It's going to become
more and more valuable for ourselves. Meaning

425
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.000
the more we're able to fork away
from these mainstream trends, the more we

426
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.440
will be able to continue to do
business as you would in a high trust

427
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.319
society. Right, let's say,
in a low trust society, could never

428
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.759
call a contractor and just kount of
getting the job done. For most of

429
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.440
the world, you wouldn't dream of
putting down a twenty thousand dollars deposit for

430
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.359
one hundred thousand dollars job before the
work's been done. I mean, the

431
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.599
assumption is you'd never see the guy
again. But if you're able to get

432
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.920
a recommendation through your church and you
know that person as a member in good

433
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.000
standing, they value that membership could
be very different. That person now has

434
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.240
a lot more incentives to maintain a
different set of norms. They have an

435
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:30.920
ethical foundation that's no longer common in
society to maintain it. So it lets

436
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.039
us preserve our way of life sort
of in parallel in these parlel networks.

437
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:40.839
But even more that now serves as
the foundation for something that others in society

438
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.319
are going to value more and more. So example I give is back in

439
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.319
the seventeenth century, the Quakers were
famously high trust in England in a world

440
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.079
that was lower trust, so many
many people wanted to do business with them

441
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.519
as intermediaries. If you're doing a
high transaction that requires a lot of trust,

442
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.880
you want to do it through people
you know can be trusted to follow

443
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.319
through on their work. And if
it's complex transaction, you really need sort

444
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:12.599
of multiples of those people involved.
And our communities can serve as repositories of

445
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:19.039
trust that that I think will increasingly
be sought out for these high trust intermediary

446
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:23.319
roles as that becomes scarcer elsewhere.
So if I'm thinking of the nature of

447
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:30.359
any sort of disruptive platform that that
is a Google buster, it is something

448
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.000
or I won't call it a Google
buster. I'll say it's something as to

449
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.880
Google what Google might have been to
the more powerful companies in the past.

450
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.400
It's sort of a new platform that
becomes even more powerful, even if it's

451
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:45.200
in a different domain. That's going
to be what it builds out. It's

452
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.000
going to be building on communities like
that. It's going to be leveraging that

453
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.880
trust, and it's going to be
providing them the tools to really leverage that

454
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:57.799
trust to play a broader role in
society as as more and more people seek

455
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.519
them out. Yeah, that's very
important. I think if they anomize us

456
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:07.680
to it seems like if we look
at their strategy to control people, it

457
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.039
is to isolate each and every one
of us so that we are only connected

458
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.319
to them and to keep us from
making connections to each other. So it

459
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.599
seems to me like that kind of
community, that kind of trust, those

460
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.960
kind of interpersonal relationships, anything that
can facilitate that is anesthetical to what they're

461
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:28.920
trying to do in terms of centralized
control. Right absolutely, And I think

462
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:34.319
the centralized thing is the centralized thing
is a key question. If it's highly

463
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.559
centralized, then you essentially rely on
algorithmic mediation. So it's actually interesting even

464
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.759
if Facebook has changed the new speed
algorithm, so the new speed algorithm looks

465
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.319
more like the TikTok algorithm, which
is less of a communal social algorithm and

466
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:52.359
is much more of a sort of
individualized entertainment feed. And I think that's

467
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.960
for any platform that breaks down those
communities or doesn't really build on those communities,

468
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.799
that's the invariable trend, is that
they're going to move in the direction

469
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:05.079
of really that computer being your counter
party, being intermediary. Whereas if it's

470
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.280
technology, and it can often be
simpler technology in some ways that facilitates that

471
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:15.880
serves these people as communities, then
you're strengthening you're strengthening that community engagement and

472
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:21.159
the nodes, the centers of power
are no longer one giant centralized algorithm,

473
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.679
but they're really the distributed communities that
exist, and then you facilitate the sort

474
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.519
of the connections needed for them to
engage in larger scale or more sophisticated transactions

475
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:37.559
that necessarily go beyond beyond that community
level, but it's sort of as necessary

476
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:45.239
rather than sort of attempting to pull
them as quickly as possible into that broad

477
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.360
ether, so to speak. Yeah, when we look at this, we

478
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:54.360
need to understand and we should not
be disheartened by the fact that the institutions

479
00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:00.679
are controlled by people whose values are
anesthetical to ours, because their values are

480
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.719
inherently self destructive. When you look
at E. S. G and D

481
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.440
I, those are things that don't
lead to excellence, They cannot sustain themselves.

482
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.880
They're you know, they're they're going
to be those are going to be

483
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.679
the seeds of their destruction. And
even those types of things, even if

484
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.239
we don't pay attention to the fact
that as Christians, we've got God on

485
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:28.320
our side who can do anything that
he wants to do. That's that's the

486
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.480
key thing. But even when we
look at at their values and how they

487
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:37.360
have essentially placed on a pedestal or
an altar or made a god out of

488
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.159
DE I and E. S.
G and things like that, that is

489
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:45.199
really should be heartening to us that
that we can take this back, and

490
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.880
we can if we strive for excellence
and if we work for that, and

491
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.719
if we have commonality with that,
it's a very hopeful situation. We've always

492
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:59.559
had in the past Christian organizations that
would you know, Christians would come together

493
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:05.199
and community and they would you build
hospitals and build schools and things like that.

494
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.840
Alexis Deetofol when he came, he
said that this is the thing about

495
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.239
America that's very different. They don't
wait for the government to do an approach.

496
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.599
They get together, they see a
need, they get together in the

497
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.199
community, and they build it.
And that's really the kind of mindset that

498
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:21.559
we need to inculcate now, isn't
it. Absolutely? And I think ultimately

499
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.599
we should be hopeful. I mean, in many ways, I think the

500
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:30.079
regime is fragile. The regime is
far more fragile than people assume. Yes

501
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:36.559
they are. They have embraced suicidal
ideologies. That is limiting their that is

502
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.840
limiting their competence, it's limiting their
effectiveness. I also, I mean,

503
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.239
this is sort of another way of
looking at it, coming from more of

504
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.719
a financial angle. But you look
at the Arrest of Trump and you look

505
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.480
at other movies like that, and
a lot of people would say that's a

506
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.639
that is a show of force,
that is a that is a a regime

507
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:59.239
that is confident enough it can crack
down on his enemies. It's desperation,

508
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.920
isn't it I would say, I
would say it's much more like desperation.

509
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.840
I think that if you think about
it almost from a financial perspective, it's

510
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.360
a bigger departure from the past.
It's sort of an increase in volatility.

511
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.639
So you think of sort of a
change from norms. I mean, they've

512
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.800
had a they had what was seen
as sort of a steady progressive trend in

513
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:22.320
history sharply interrupted by things like Trump. You could think of that as sort

514
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.599
of a higher volatility in politics,
a much broader range of sort of possible

515
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.599
outcomes. And there, certainly,
in many ways, they seem in control

516
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.039
of many things right now, and
they're more and more sharply departing from norms.

517
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.119
But when volatility increases, it doesn't
mean that it just increases in one

518
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.280
direction, Like the range of potential
outcomes grows in both directions. And so

519
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.519
I look at I look at things
like the arrest of Trump, I look

520
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.599
at other things like that, and
that is a that is a bigger and

521
00:37:53.599 --> 00:38:00.840
bigger departure from norms that ultimately just
sort of objectively increases the range of possible

522
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.920
outcomes in both directions. And that's
not the move of a that's not the

523
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.480
move of a stable, self confident
regime. A stable self confident regime is

524
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.920
not They're going to want to sort
of slowly and carefully move in their direction

525
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.440
and not do anything that sort of
rocks the boat, because if you're in

526
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.039
control, you don't want to rock
the boat. No, that is that

527
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.039
is that is people who feel desperation, and it's people who ultimately, I

528
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:30.000
think are setting the stage for for
greater volatility that could very quickly. I

529
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:37.519
think they know their own weakness in
some ways, and they're actually accelerating things

530
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.480
that could lead to their own demise. You know, when you talk about

531
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:44.360
your on your website, when you
say about our firm, you say,

532
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:51.480
we explicitly oppose DEI e SG and
the bureaucratization of American business culture. And

533
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.400
I think again, as we talk
about the fact that DEI and ESG is

534
00:38:54.440 --> 00:39:00.760
about denying merit and so as the
seeds of its own destruction, the same

535
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:04.679
thing is true of bureaucracies as well. In central planning. We have always

536
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.599
been able in the past, America
has been able to transcend these centrally planned

537
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:15.440
economies. If we look at North
versus South Korea, one country split,

538
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.559
same people, same background, but
a different system, one that is tightly

539
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.079
centrally controlled and bureaucratic. The same
thing with East and West Germany. And

540
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:30.559
so we know that having something that
has decentralized, something that is based on

541
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.039
merit, not bureaucracy, and that
type of thing, we know that that's

542
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.039
a winning position, and so that
should be a very hopeful thing. You

543
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.840
say, you promote a culture of
entrepreneurship and excellence, betting on great companies

544
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:47.920
and products and customers disovered by corrosive
ideologies. It's a very hopeful strategy,

545
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.920
I think, and talk to us
a little bit about what you see in

546
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:58.840
terms of let's talk about a disruptive
technology that is teetering and could go either

547
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.519
way, and that cryptocurrency. You
know, we have the CBDC, which

548
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.280
is a big specter of complete and
total surveillance and control of everything that we

549
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:14.079
do, and they have a targeted
cryptocurrency for extinction. But then there's other

550
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.960
aspects of the blockchain that perhaps might
be used. How do you see that

551
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.400
developing? So it's a good question. I think that is very I'm very

552
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:27.840
interested in blockchain. I'm probably in
some ways I'm probably more interested in it

553
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:36.559
than AI because I think that it
is it is particularly focused on it's particularly

554
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:40.119
focused on targeting many of the centers
of regime control. I mean, you

555
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.599
think a bitcoin and it is directly
challenging a control of the currency, which

556
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:55.079
is ultimately probably the strongest source of
present regime power. And it's uh,

557
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.360
I'm optimistic. I think that.
I think that bitcoin is an incredibly powerful

558
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:07.880
technology. Uh. It's it's certainly
one that has I think it doesn't just

559
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.159
have the technical promise, and there's
obviously always stuff that needs to be worked

560
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.559
out in sort of the technology of
any of these things that at an earlier

561
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.400
stage. But it also has a
culture that I think aligns with intends to

562
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.280
draw the sort of people who are
who are skeptics of the central control.

563
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.280
And it's it's it's by nature international. So the more international something like that

564
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.079
is, the uh, the harder
it is for it to be stamped out

565
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.280
in any one location. So I
look at that and I see that,

566
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.440
and I think that a lot of
the attacks on it are just spurious.

567
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.960
I mean they say that it can
be used for criminal activity or whatever.

568
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.280
But it's it's traceable, it's actually
I mean, the US bundles of cash

569
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:52.119
are far more effectively for money wants
than bitcoint it. So it's what it

570
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:58.039
really is is it's not about it's
not about secrecy or anything. It's about

571
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.440
uh, it's about not being being
something that can be arbitrarily shut down by

572
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.280
financial institutions that are increasingly politicized,
not being something that can be sort of

573
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.239
systematically taxed and debased. So I
look at that and I see a lot

574
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.880
of potential. I see a lot
of excitement in the community. I see

575
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:20.199
a lot of very serious people,
serious thinkers, doing very serious things in

576
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:29.320
the bitcoin world. And increasingly there's
evident political pressure that pushes back against the

577
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.599
really against the regulators who want to
shut it down. I mean, people

578
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:40.079
know that a CBDC is something that
can be a powerful tool for essentially just

579
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:46.920
increasing increasing the totalitarian capability of the
current system. That is not something that's

580
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.800
just going to be let in easily
given the mood there. So I look

581
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.360
at it, I see obviously it
could be used. Some of these things

582
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:01.400
could be used for they could be
us used for harming us. But the

583
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:08.159
vast majority of the space is really
culturally aligned and I think technologically aligned with

584
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.920
directionally where we need to go.
That's true. Yeah, yeah, it

585
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:17.440
does have some issues with privacy that
people don't realize, but like you said,

586
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:21.960
culturally and technically, you know,
culturally they're aligned with us in many

587
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.440
ways in terms of decentralization and liberty, and there are some things that we

588
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.480
can use in that space. What
would you say to the Christian Right as

589
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:36.320
a movement what needs to change and
the way we approach things in our perspective

590
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:42.159
in order to win whatever that means
when the culture, I think part of

591
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.679
it is actually try. I mean, I think one big problem, so

592
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:51.079
one big challenge in the Christian Right
is they've been politically neutered and in many

593
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:55.239
ways, I think, accepted theologies
that are intentionally politically neutering. So you

594
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:59.599
look at a lot of and there's
a lot of different things you can tie

595
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.920
us to, and I would say
a pessimistic eschatology can lead to a mindset

596
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.239
where you just put your head down
and kind of expect things are going to

597
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.039
get worse, and it's one that
ultimately is very undermining a human agency,

598
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.559
because you don't you do only have
the belief in the effectiveness of your actions.

599
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.679
But second of all, even aside
from that, I think most Christians

600
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.199
intuitively recognize that there's a problem here, and then they want it to change,

601
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:32.239
Realize that we can be effective,
realize our numbers, realize that that

602
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.599
ultimately this is a war that we're
in. I mean, you have a

603
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:42.360
lot of people who I think would
be very patriotic about signing up. Increasingly,

604
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.360
I think that these people have been
alienated by the military, but they

605
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.559
wouldn't have hesitated to pick up arms
and make great sacrifices to fight for the

606
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.719
defense of the country. But otherwise
are fairly uninterested in politics. I mean,

607
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.519
a lot of Christians really may be
aside from the exception of abortion,

608
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.199
just really are not very interesting in
politics, are not very focused on politics.

609
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.280
You homeschool, let's say, or
you go to Christian school, so

610
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.639
you're not really interested in what happens
to the school board. Well, you're

611
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.519
paying for it, and it's educating
the people who you're who are going to

612
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.800
be co workers or employers or whatever, So we should care about it.

613
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.320
It's going to shape the culture of
the town. That someone lives in.

614
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.480
So we should care about all of
those things, and we should recognize that

615
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:29.639
we have we have real numbers here, and we have real eye I think,

616
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.440
a real foundation. This is what
American reformers trying to do is sort

617
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:37.880
of restore the foundation that that makes
clear how Christian doctrine speaks to any number

618
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:43.320
of institutions. It has clear visions
not just of abortion, but how you

619
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.199
should think about all sorts of issues
around what government should ideally be doing,

620
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.400
and how government should be, how
government should be approaching things. So get

621
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.440
political would be one of the top
ones. And then second of all,

622
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.559
embrace a positive vision. I think
this is a big thing is if we're

623
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.639
a conservative, I mean my view
is a conservative impulses ay good impulse.

624
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.519
It's a prudent impulse in a world
where we recognize that man's fallen. If

625
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.400
we recognize we're fallen, we're wise
not to sort of recklessly go and try

626
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:14.519
to just constantly change everything from the
ground up. Like that should be there,

627
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.920
but we should also have Christians who
are part of the vanguard, who

628
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.679
are who are pushing out a positive
vision, who are really aspiring for what

629
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.280
we should build it. You actually
do see a lot of these people in

630
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:30.079
the crypto world, and I think
that we need a lot more. I

631
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:36.639
mean, if Christians are some people
are I think temperamentally going to be conservative.

632
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.920
They are just naturally they want to
focus on that type of thing.

633
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:44.920
That's great, but that doesn't need
to be the defining identity of our movement.

634
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.800
The defining identity of our movement should
be a positive vision for how society

635
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.960
should be organized. That is a
sharp, very clear, and ultimately I

636
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.559
think much more attractive alternative to what
the left puts out there is their vision

637
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:04.039
or progress, So I progress their
way. We should be defining what an

638
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.960
elevated vision of society. I don't
I don't know that I would embrace the

639
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.159
word progress. I think that has
a particular uh, there's a particular sort

640
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.079
of framework called it. They've kind
of stolen that word, just like they

641
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.920
stole the word liberal liberal used to
liberated people. It's an open question whether

642
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.280
we whether we believe that, whether
it's I don't know that I would think

643
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.440
of it even necessarily in terms of
progress, because I don't believe that history

644
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.679
moves in one direction. So much
as we certainly have a vision of sort

645
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.559
of what an elevated vision of life
looks like. What is a higher what

646
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.719
is a sort of higher vision of
society or a lower vision of society at

647
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.159
the very least, and we should
be we should be painting pictures of what

648
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.880
the elevated vision looks like and rallying
people to uh, to go create that.

649
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:50.360
I agree as one person said,
I forget it was that said that

650
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.320
you can't win a culture where if
you don't have a culture, and we

651
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.320
have retreated from this. We are
shamed of what our beliefs are because we've

652
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.960
been criticized and we have a very
compelling vision, and we should be looking

653
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.079
at ways that we can move that
forward, that we could project that out,

654
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.079
explain it to people. It is
not a threatening vision to people.

655
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:16.800
It's quite frankly, their centralized control
vision is a very threatening thing. And

656
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.159
I think one of the things that
we can learn from the left. Get

657
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.280
your opinion on this, seems like
the left has a very They've got their

658
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:30.159
set of values and they don't and
their values based really I don't agree with

659
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.719
their values, but they push those
values out whereas we say, well,

660
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.199
just don't change anything. I just
don't want to see any change here.

661
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:44.880
And if we have values, we're
not trying to advance those values as the

662
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.639
left is, We're just trying to
keep things from changing. That's a conservative

663
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.239
perspective, whereas we need to go
on the offense and we need to say,

664
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:57.000
these are a values, these are
why these values are good, and

665
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.679
then how are we going to best
establish these values? And I think unless

666
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.880
we do that, we're going to
lose. And we've been losing because we've

667
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.800
not been doing that. I think
we have to have that vision, project

668
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.000
that vision, work on that vision, and try to push that forward,

669
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.519
which is what the left does,
but we don't do that as conservatives,

670
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.280
and clearly, you know the conservatives
that's really kind of a political position.

671
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.440
That's why I think it's very important
for us to look at this from a

672
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:28.039
Christian position because they have principles we
have as Christians, we have principles and

673
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.880
things that we want to advance,
and you have to have that. You

674
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.960
have to have some standard that you're
going to try to advance. Think of

675
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.280
it as a flag or whatever,
you know, that type of standard that's

676
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.360
going to advance what we want to
see our culture look like, and work

677
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:45.559
on that. I think I think
that's what you're doing, absolutely, and

678
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.480
it's a self confidence that goes with
that. I think that's a huge part

679
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.760
of it. I think the self
confidence to know that your values are better

680
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.760
than the other side, that in
many cases we know that it is the

681
00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:00.559
truth, we know that we have
the truth. And I think education is

682
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.000
a great place to look at this. Look at a lot of Christian colleges

683
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.920
and they have a sort of palpable
inferiority complex. They covet the endorsement of

684
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:14.320
institutions like Harford. Yeah, and
you look at institutions like Harvard, and

685
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:19.119
Harvard does not know. Harvard does
not know what truth means. They do

686
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.920
not know what an education means anymore. As an institution, they become so

687
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:28.599
disconnected. I mean, Yale has
a professor like Jason Stanley in their philosophy

688
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:34.159
department. Totally ridiculous guy, I
mean, just comically ignorant by any standard

689
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.760
of history, any sort of standard
of education. And he's in a philosophy

690
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.840
to heart it, So why do
you want Yale's approval? The right approach

691
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:44.960
would be it could be a small
college, but they could express they should

692
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:50.320
be expressing contempt for these institutions and
really very self confidently saying if no one

693
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.000
else knows how to define truth,
we'll define our own standard. We understand

694
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:57.480
truth better than anyone else out here. We understand what an education means.

695
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.719
So we're going to be our own
judge. We're not going to brag go

696
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.679
down graduates we get into Harvard grad
programs, or how many sort of prestigious

697
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.000
degrees our faculty have, when when
all that means is you're really submitting to

698
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.960
the standards of people who don't even
know what an education means. So I

699
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:17.639
think there's that that self confidence is
really a an absolutely crucial position, and

700
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:23.239
it comes from knowing that our values, knowing that we are right, knowing

701
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:28.119
that we have the better vision of
life, which increasingly all you have to

702
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.400
do is look at the left.
I think for a while, for a

703
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.039
long time, the left did seem
to have things that were more exciting,

704
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.320
things that were more attractive. In
many ways, I think part of that

705
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.880
was sort of an abdication of the
part of conservatives. Part of it was

706
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.840
just where they were in their their
art. There was sort of some bakeding

707
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:47.760
values. But really at this point, I mean, you look at what

708
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.199
DEI is putting out and it's literally
ugly. And you look at these people.

709
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.880
There's a great deal of hubris that
they have, and they act as

710
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:00.880
if they are one hundred percent right, and yet you know that they know

711
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:05.320
that they're not right because they won't
engage you in debate. As you pointed

712
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.000
out, you know, it's an
act of desperation, you know when you

713
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:13.119
look at politics there and when they
try to they don't want to engage in

714
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.719
debate. They want to just shut
down and cancel everything. And we see

715
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:20.800
this whenever you go up and engage
them at a protest, you say,

716
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:22.400
well, what are you protesting?
Please? Are you're racist? You know,

717
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.719
they just start throwing fithets at you. They don't want to defend their

718
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.960
position. They don't want to debate
what you have to say, which is

719
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:36.519
really coming from a position of deep
insecurity and desperation. And so we need

720
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:43.199
to understand that even though the facade
that they present is one of arrogance and

721
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.559
complete confidence, that on the inside
they don't have that at all. And

722
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:50.840
so there is a vulnerability there and
so we need to work on what we

723
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.639
need to understand in terms of our
foundation. I think and then once we

724
00:52:54.760 --> 00:53:01.440
have, once we are confident unlike
them internally, and once we're confident in

725
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:06.239
our position with God, then that's
a foundation on which we can stand and

726
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:10.440
conquer. And we should move from
that and project those values out to other

727
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:15.000
people that trying to control them,
without making any mandates on them. But

728
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.320
we hold it out there as a
standard to be achieved, and that's the

729
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.159
way that Christian society has always advanced
in the past, I believe. Yeah.

730
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:27.960
Well, I will say to some
extent, there are areas where there's

731
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.000
no neutrality, and I think that's
actually that's an important one too. So

732
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.159
if you ask me what I would
say about Christians, we've been conservative,

733
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.840
but we've also sort of, at
best thought, bought for a neutral public

734
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:43.840
square in the We bought into a
lot of the assumptions in the twentieth century

735
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.360
of secularism, which are totally out
of stuff with American history, where there

736
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:51.840
was no there was no sense that
you'd have a sort of public square square

737
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:53.679
cleansed of God, for instance.
Yeah, And what I think is actually

738
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.519
happening in the digital age, and
this is interesting, is you're starting to

739
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.599
see people realize there is no neutrality
left realize this ahead of us. So

740
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:05.280
this goes to going back to the
Facebook example. After the face, let's

741
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:10.800
say the Facebook algorithms played a role
in elevating pro Trump content, amplifying pro

742
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:15.400
Trump content that helped elect Trump.
People realize that there's no neutrality. I

743
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.239
mean, you have an algorithm that
gives people what they want to see,

744
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:24.199
this engagement that's not neutral, that
is going to advance a certain type of

745
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.800
content. The left certainly wanted to
impose their own values. But you particularly

746
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.280
you think of the nature of an
algorithmic feed itself, and by its very

747
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.519
nature, its job is to rank
and curate things for you. If you

748
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:38.360
look at Google, go to Google, you type in a search term,

749
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.039
you have a number one search result, you have number two search result,

750
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.679
number ten, et cetera. There
must be a value system within Google about

751
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:52.079
why one is better than two.
That cannot be There's no neutrality there.

752
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.559
I mean you go to type in
the search term is Jesus God, and

753
00:54:54.679 --> 00:55:00.920
ultimately a search engine condenses things.
The top result either says yes or no.

754
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:06.000
There's no there's no possibility in the
sort of greatest summarized version of it

755
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:13.119
for neutrality there. And I think
as people realize, as the Left realizes

756
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:15.440
that, they realize you have to
catechize the body, becomes a religious war

757
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:20.039
to catechise the body. So in
many cases, I think of the digital

758
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.760
algorithms as equivalent to the sort of
norms in society where we may have had

759
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.800
a strong tradition of toleration. I
think the angle of world has had a

760
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:34.039
very strong tradition of religious toleration,
but there's still the sort of norms and

761
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.119
customs shrore a society that nudge you
in certain directions, that normalize certain beliefs

762
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:42.519
as the sort of default or expected
belief. And I think the algorithm,

763
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.800
in many ways, the algorithmic curation
that is going to shape just all aspects

764
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:52.920
of society fits in that and either
those norms, those norms cannot be neutral

765
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.280
either they either they reflect Christian truth
or they reflect some other set of values.

766
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:04.320
So I think I think it'll be
helpful actually for Christians to move beyond

767
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:10.400
simply fighting for neutrality and actually realize
that in many of these domains we should

768
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:14.559
be fighting for the truth. We
should have confidence in the truth well enough

769
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:15.960
to fight for it, and there
isn't going to be neutral. So if

770
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.840
we try to leave it neutral,
it's just gonna be filled by It's gonna

771
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.280
be filled by an ideology that is
not ours, and it is invariably going

772
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.000
to be hostile to us. I
agree, Yeah, I think neutrality is

773
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.039
alive when you're talking about education,
when we're talking about journalism and that type

774
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:35.039
of thing beyond Google. They take
a look at Matt Drudge. He is

775
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.400
aggregating the news. And I've said
this from the beginning, the whole idea

776
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.119
that they keep trying to sell people. It's like, oh, we're completely

777
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:44.320
neutral. Well, if you believe
that in terms of being a journalist,

778
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:49.960
then you're either incredibly naive and ignorant
yourself unaware of your biases and prejudice,

779
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.440
or you're lying to somebody because you
really do have those biases and prejudices and

780
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:59.239
we can see it. And Matt
Drudge, he went from presenting the select

781
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.719
He doesn't write any thing, but
he's got what he selects to show to

782
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:07.960
you is either from a conservative bent
or now from a leftist bent. And

783
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:12.119
this has always been the case,
is also the case when you look at

784
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.800
religion in the public square. They
said we're going to be neutral by purging

785
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:20.679
religion out of the neutral out of
the public square. Well, that's not

786
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:23.159
neutrality. What you're now doing is
you're pushing a religion of secular humanism.

787
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.199
But I think that you know,
when we when we look at this,

788
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:32.039
as you point out, Christianity has
had a history of being tolerant of differences

789
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.239
but still having very strongly held values
that we hold deer and I think that's

790
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.480
one of the key things. I
think we have gotten to the point where,

791
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:46.400
you know, tolerance of different opinions
is really not the value that's holding

792
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:50.440
forth. What we're really putting out
is the fact that we're apathetic, we

793
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.159
don't really care, and so it
isn't that we're tolerant. We just don't

794
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:57.559
care anymore about these fundamental values.
And so we have to reclaim those things

795
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.280
on a personal basis. And then
once we reclaim the those things, we

796
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.519
will have a very firm foundation.
Doesn't necessarily mean we're going to ram those

797
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.880
things down somebody's throat. Now,
if you have a situation like for example,

798
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:09.639
abortion, there is going to be
a conflict there, and you know,

799
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:13.599
people who believe that that is murder, as I do, are going

800
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.559
to do everything they can to stop
that. But in most cases it's going

801
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:21.880
to be a you know, this
is our positivision of the world, and

802
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:23.400
if you don't want to join us, you don't have to join us.

803
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:25.280
But we're going to do this.
And I think that's a key part of

804
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:31.079
what you're trying to do with the
Venture Fund is to transcend this kind of

805
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:36.719
decaying society that is there. It
really is to me. I look at

806
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.000
our society right now, looks like
a very big tree that you may not

807
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:43.960
realize it, but the entire insides
have been eaten out by a bug and

808
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.039
it's just waiting for a breeze to
come along and blow the whole thing over

809
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:50.760
on your house. That's kind of
where I think with society right now.

810
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.239
I agree. I think that I
think that what's interesting is more and more

811
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.320
is going to be that soft nudging
is me n edging in one direction and

812
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:04.760
going back to Google, my favorite, my favorite example, ranked search terms.

813
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:08.639
That's not coercive in the legal sense, but it certainly nudges you toward

814
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a particular uh one result is ranked
higher than the other one, and people

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go there for a reason. Because
going to the idea of Matt Drudge it

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can't be neutral. Neutral. Neutral
in the age of the Internet is entirely

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spam. I mean, you're going
to be totally inundated by spam, So

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you're looking for someone to judge by
some standard. This is worth my reading,

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This is worth my seeing. What
is that standards that standard of the

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truth? Is that standard a particular
ideology? Is that standard something purely sort

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of reflexive, like engagement, like
the more time you spend on it,

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the better it must be, which
I think is that's sort of thing engineers

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like because it allows them to sort
of sidestep the questions they really don't know

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how to answer. But that points
to the vulnerability of these companies. I

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mean, you go to Google,
and Google you go there to see them

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rank rank websites, presumably looking for
truth or looking for for something good or

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useful. I would argue Google lacks
the foundation, They lack the epistemological foundation

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to actually know how to answer those
questions. They really don't know how to

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distinguish spam from non spam. Ultimately, if you don't, if you don't

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know how to define what is good, then then then what is that is

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what distinguishes spam from non spam ultimately, and people just spammers just get really

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good at sort of playing to the
algorithm. If you don't have an objective

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standard, if it just becomes sort
of a reflexive one. So I think

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a big vulnerability is they lack the
they lack the ability to actually discriminate in

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ways that people are looking for.
And so increasingly, as as we have

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a breakdown of any sort of norms
and standards in society, you're just going

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to see you're going to see a
degradation of quality in all sorts of space,

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and that includes a degradation in the
quality of the goodness of information out

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there. The truth value, that
the moral value according to even people who

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might not see themselves as Christian,
they're looking for that. They still are

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looking for something that they sort of
intuitively recognize is good in many cases.

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Obviously some are not. Some are
truly looking for evil, and platforms that

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don't know how to provide that are
not going to be able to get people

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what they look what they want,
and increasingly they're going to be they're going

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to produce dissatisfaction. And that is
an opportunity for us to capitalize on and

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for us to show them a better
vision, show them better alternatives. Absolutely,

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New Founding is about building the future, about responding to market signals from

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a Christian and conservative perspective, about
getting around the cancel culture and promoting a

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culture of excellence and merit. And
I think that we need to understand that

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we are really in a position than
many of us think because of those values

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that we hold. The question is
how do we implement those values into new

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businesses, into new systems, into
new institutions. And I think New Founding

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has an important role to play in
that. Thank you so much for joining

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us, Nate. I appreciate it. Thank you very much, Nate Fisher,

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thank you, thank you for having
me. David, thank you.

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